Request for further information
on the use of commercial
Pilotage Charts?

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in the middle of July. They had lost 600 people out of 800. He said in one B-52 attack they lost 110 men. If that is true they may not have had the capability to do it. They may have all sorts of plans. Would like to do it in October and maybe they can do one tremendous pass.

P: If they do they will get a tremendous clobbering too.

K: Exactly.

P: OK. I will see you later.

K: Thank you.

I can
would
would be
let
on the
morning

the points you made in

diss. I think they are really staying safely aboard, theirmes. He was glad we haven't made it to Egypt.

ot.

The reason they're out so fast is because they think the military will get so fed up by their inability to handle the equipment and so on.

How can we work it out if we can't do something on that Japanese thing.

I think it's proposed to go to commercial grounds.

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TELCONE

Henry Brandon/Mr. Kissinger

5:25 8/11/72

HB: Are we going to see you this weekend?

HK: Can I call you tomorrow?

HB: Sure. Otherwise, I suppose nothing is going to happen--I am in the throes of the book.

HK: I doubt it--it is not the most pressing thing on his mind.

HB: Well, it is an interesting question why though.

HK: Why he won't see you? Because he is totally preoccupied with election and convention.

HB: Really, yeh.
I was wondering whether instead you would like to write sort of a
______ piece in sort of a formal interview.

HK: Did we agree to give a formal interview?

HB: Well, the last two were on the record you know.

HK: Yeh, no, I don't want to do it. Listen why should you turn a best seller into total smash?

HB: Well you know, it would give it a little bit of sex--then the girls would want to read it.

HK: Yeh, but that book I want to write myself--about the girls.
No I think really the best thing I can do for the next few months
is to keep quiet.

HB: The book is coming out early next year. I thought it would be nice.
to have your voice at the end.

HK: Let me think about it.

HB: Anyway this is nothing to do with our wanting to see you this weekend.

HK: Either tomorrow or Sunday passable?

HK: Whatever suits you best.

HK: Sunday I think I am not available--but let me call you tomorrow morning.

HB: Is Nancy coming?

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HK: You are very sweet to ask? Are you going to the convention?

HB: Yes, when are you going down?

HK: Tuesday noon, when the President goes down.

HB: We go down on Sunday and then we are flying straight from the
to London.

HK: Oh, how long will you be gone?

HB: Only about three weeks.

HK: So you will be back around September 10.

HB: Yes.

HK: I'll be back about the 4th.

HB: Are you going abroad?

HK: Nono, I am going from the 24th-4th to San Clemente with the President.

HB: I see.
To see

HK: I am running for my Beverly Hills constituency.

HB: I gather __________ in California, so you better.

HK: No, I am only going to talk to the converted.

HB: All right, Henry, we'll hope to see you.

HK: That would be nice.

H. Kissinger, Jr., the son of a former U.S. Air Force officer.

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Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Bush
5:50 p.m. 8/11/72

HK: George how are you?

GB: Fine, I need your help. the General Assembly Delegation, they have three public delegates--the White House has wanted I. W. Able, delayed round and finally came back today and said he couldn't do it--do you think of anybody from academia who the President would be enthusiastic about who would be acceptable for his wide range of views and who would be an addition to this delegation?

HK: Nobody who is still alive.

GB: It is useful if we can somebody that's alive--sometimes we'd be better if he wasn't. No seriously, do you have any ex-colleagues or anybody that is still speaking to you at Harvard that might you know be good to have or supplement what we are doing?

HK: You want an academic?

GB: Not necessarily. There is a vacancy.

HK: You know you had Moniyhan last year.

GB: Yeh and Alan Shepard last year. This year we got our quotas, we got a defeated congressman, we got a black woman from Chicago and we got a Spanish-speaking woman from Puerto Rico--

HK: How about a Jewish convert to Catholicism.

HB: Sammy Davis? (laughing) Seriously though, you know--sombody from the newspaper business or I don't like to bother you with this but now they are calling and saying well our man fell out now we have to get a recommendation.

HK: Let me think of it over night, if I think of somebody, I'll let you know.

HB: If you think of someone, give a holler--I'll be up in Maine for a week, fax but if you do, you know, cause it is a big deal--it's one of the best Presidential appointees and it'd be an interesting year.

HK: Right.

HB: Thanks Henry.

TELCONE

Mr. Anderson (Jack)/Mr. Kissinger

8/11/72 6:40 p.m.

HK: Hello, Mr. Anderson. All I know on this NIE that you have is
that it is four years old and that much of it was already printed
in the Chicago Sun Times, June 25, 1971.

JA: June 25, 1971--I didn't know about that.

HK: And of course, our position has to be what I told you that we
can't favor the publication of classified materials.

JA: Of course you told me that it was early in the Administration--
I knew that it was old--

HK: It was done in November, 1968.

JA: That was the reason I thought I'd check to see whether it had been
updated.

HK: It probably has been, but there is probably another one, dealing
with the same subject. Not exactly--but at any rate, we consider
it outdated.

JA: You do consider it outdated?

HK: But I don't want to be quoted on this--this is just for your information

JA: Yes, just for my own background. Is there any specific way that it
is outdated that you can tell me?

HK: Well, I don't really want to talk about it, Mr. Anderson, it's no
--I mean I appreciate you call ing me and your courtesy...

JA: All right.

HK: And I appreciate it, I would be glad when I can to give you my views
on things you are considering publishing.

JA: All right. Fine, I'd be glad to check with you whenever we have
something concerning you.

HK: Good, well, have a good weekend.

JA: Same to you, thank you. Goodbye.

Re: you can't be here unless he's gone or he's out of town or something

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TELCORN

Mrs. Javits/Mr. Kissinger

6:55 p.m. 8/11/72

HK: Marion, how are you.

MJ: The day hasn't been too wearing, I hope?

HK: No. I has been all right. What are you preparing for me?

MJ: I have nothing to prepare particularly today. All I know is that I feel trapped here in Washington. It's workdown Henry, it always has been and every time I try it, I'm convinced I am right.

HK: You are right.

MJ: Hey, what has to be at your desk or forget it. Let's see, I have two or three things however. Margo Fontaine is here--would you like to have supper with us on Sunday--I just have her and Tito is coming in--her husband and she called me today and we hadn't seen her.

HK: I won't be here this Sunday.

MJ: You are going away? For the weekend--you are leaving me meant.

HK: Yeh. Yes.

MJ: All right, well then that's out. What else can I offer you. Are you going to Miami?

HK: Yes, with the President on Tuesday--at the Convention.

MJ: I just want you to know that you have my vote because I haven't decided how I am going to go. So it is in your hands. I have not decided--I am an independent voter. And I have big reservations and it all hinges on you and so I am giving you my vote--it is in your pocket.

HK: In other words, I can tell you whom I vote for or must I do something.

MJ: You have to more strongly indicate to me that what you are doing--I don't want to put you on the grill but I do in a way--the way I vote depends on you--of course I said at my own dinner that both sides can have you--I put you in the middle--they don't know it yet. I will tell them.

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HK: I wouldn't work for McGovern.

MJ: I'm hoping you are going to make everything happen.

HK: I will do my best.

MJ: I wanted to say that I will be done there and I will be there with Kurt Vonnegut whom you met at my house--he's a writer.

HK: Yes, did I meet him at your house.

MJ: Yes, he was with Horeldo Horvaro--he is a father-in-law of Horeldo and a sweet and gentle man.

HK: Yes, I like his writing.

MJ: And he happens to be covering the show for Harpers Magazine. And he asked me to work for him for a day. He may even get me credentials--he wants to be with me for a day--so I thought I would check in with you. I don't know what hotel Jav has.

HK: Why don't you call the KB WH and they'll know where I am.

MJ: Okay--and a day like Wednesday or Thursday, maybe we could check in with you.

HK: Terrific. Are you going to be here next week?

MJ: Well, maybe in two days at the end of the week--Thursday.

HK: Why not call me Thursday.

MJ: You'll be in Miami when--the following weekend?

HK: Yes.

MJ: All right I'll call. Maybe we can have lunch--let's make a date. Are you free Thursday or Friday?

HK: Let us aim tentatively Thursday.

MJ: All right tentatively because I won't, --only if business allows, I'd love to see and talk to you. And the girls could call when you know

HK: I'll call you Tuesday.

The President's Office
The White House
A Statement of Policy

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E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

TELCORN

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

By: K.M. V. NASA Date: 5/13/74

H: Hi, Henry.

K: Sneaking time with the President again, huh?

H: Yeah.

K: Jesus, you lucky man.

H: Just trying to one up you, you know. I do anything I can to get another hour in there.

K: I know it because it is always so new.

H: Pick up all kinds of fascinating thoughts I'd never heard or thought of before.

K: God, if you make it through the campaign, you've got to have strong nerves.

H: I'll make it. I won't like it but I'll make it.

K: Two things. Keating was in. He's resigning, you know, to campaign and he has two letters of resignation. One a very short one and one a very long flowery one, you know which says there is a lot of speculation why I resigned but there is one reason and one reason only, your great leadership of this country which I feel must be perpetuated and therefore I am resigning to, you know. He wants to know which one to send in. I think the long one.

H: Sure, why not.

K: So if there are any questions why he's resigning, don't you think?

H: Yeah.

K: He'd also like 5 or 10 minutes with the President to hand him the letter personally which I think might be a nice idea.

H: Yeah, I guess we've got to do that.

K: Yeah. Is the President going to be in a t all next week?

H: Monday.

K: Okay. If you could consider putting it on the schedule.

The President's Office
The White House
A Statement of Policy
Reproduced with Permission

DECLASSIFIED
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7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

6/11/72 WMA, NASHA Data 5/12/72

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H: You'll have to ask Alex about that. I'm not allowed to muddy my hands with Monday and matters like the schedule.

K: Oh, really.

H: I've been ordered to stay out of such things.

K: What are you doing?

H: I haven't figured that out yet. I'm trying to understand that part of it. It's something about there's nobody to really run things and so I've got to stop running things so that I can run things.

K: (laughter)

H: At the moment it's a little abstract and I'm not quite sure exactly how it all sorts out.

K: Well, it sorts out with you doing the schedule.

H: Well, I piled all the schedule stuff on Alex today and he trudged in, went over it all with the President and got it all worked out.

K: That will last for 48 hours.

H: That's what I figured. About that long at best.

K: Then he'll scream at you for having inflicted Alex on him.

H: And then I'll say, "But Mr. President --"

K: He says, "You don't understand. Now write it down."

H: He said, "I don't care what I said, that's not what I meant."

K: The second thing, CBS has renewed its request for me to do a one-hour program --

H: Oh, really.

K: In the second half of September in prime time.

H: Boy, I'm for that.

H. E. W. Taft, 1st Lt. Col., C.S.A.
lieutenant colonel, U. S. Air Force

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E.O. 12938, Sept. 3-6

By: K.L.Y. NARA. Date: 5/13/64

TELCOM

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

K: With the Kalbs -- with just one Kalb.

H: I'm for that.

K: I actually -- I'd rather have the son-of-a-bitch interview me.

H: Absolutely.

K: Bob, because --

H: Well, especially the smart one and he does know what he's talking about.

K: That's right because Howard K. Smith who would be a more attractive man. Actually, you know, he looks good compared to me and I'd rather get nasty questions.

H: Absolutely. Well, plus the fact that it looks better. Kalb in people's minds is the super major league and Howard Smith isn't.

K: Well, then I'll be back then from that other trip. How should I do it procedurally. He said they'll contact me in another week to find out. With whom should they work out the details? They said between the 15th and the 30th.

H: Of September. It's ideal.

K: I think it has the great advantage. A, I can talk about the Russian thing but then by that time so much stuff will have accumulated on Vietnam, I could really make the point on Vietnam.

H: When they say prime time, do they really mean prime time?

K: Yeah. Well, I don't know but he said 1 hour on prime time. The same format they were talking about in April and there they had finally agreed to shift it to Tuesday night.

H: Oh, boy, that would be sensational I think. That's when we need it. That's when it will do us some good.

K: Absolutely. No, no; you're absolutely right.

H: In April it would have just been --

The President's Office
The Senate and the House of Representatives
Please Read!

DECLASSIFIED
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Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

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K: Well, it would have come in at the worst possible time. But whom do I tell him to get in touch with?

H: Let me figure that out, Henry. I'm not really sure.

K: Can you get me some advice then about how to -- You know, I've never had technical advice.

H: Oh, yeah; we'll get it all set up.

K: You know, where to look and what to wear. Seriously, because I've never --

H: Absolutely.

K: Because this one will be very important, don't you think?

H: Yeah.

K: And the beauty is it will still be a public service program.

H: Oh, I think that's just great. Very good news.

K: Good. And, you know, from October 1st on, I'll be increasing prepared to do these things.

H: Yeah. That's the other thing. If you do that one, then everybody else will start wanting you then too.

K: Well, I have a request for the TODAY show but I've ignored that.

H: Hold up on that for a while because this is much more important.

K: Exactly.

H: You may want to use the TODAY show in October.

K: The TODAY show will do me at any time. All I have to do is call Barbara Walters.

H: Yeah, I'm sure they will. That wouldn't be any problem.

K: But I think we should do this one first, if you agree.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
Is this person's telephone number?

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Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

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H: I completely agree. We couldn't have better timing.

K: Good. Third question, Bob. I had thought on the way to Moscow -- I'm going to stop one day in Paris on this negotiation --

H: When do you leave?

K: The 7th. We'll announce it the 5th.

H: Announce your trip?

K: On the 5th.

H: To say that on the 5th that you're going?

K: That's right. Leave on the 7th. Spend the 8th in Paris.

H: Right, right, okay.

K: Now then, my question was would it be embarrassing if I spend one day in Munich for the Olympics on the way there or will that look, you know -- I would meet with German officials there but it would be a Saturday.

H: No, I would think that would be okay.

K: And on the 10th to Moscow.

H: I think that's okay.

K: You won't take any heat for what's he doing there?

H: No. But you ought to stay two days though.

K: Why?

H: So that it doesn't look like you just shot in to see the Olympics.

K: Well, I'll be one day in Paris -- Well, I can make it a day and a half. No, I will be meeting German officials, you know. That will be clearly visible.

H: Yeah. Well, that's okay.

The following information has been obtained
by means of a computer.
Please read it!

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TELCOM

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

By: JKLW NASA Date 5/12/04

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K: Of course they are basically Bonn. They'd be coming from Bonn to Munich.

H: Yeah. I don't see why that's a problem. This would be on a Saturday.

K: I'd get in Friday night and then I'd leave Sunday afternoon for Moscow.

H: Sure. I don't see why that's a problem.

K: And I'll arrive in Moscow Sunday night.

H: Yeah. Well, I think that's okay.

K: And then I'd be back Thursday night here.

H: Okay. Can you have somebody type up your scenario as it now stands.

K: Oh, yeah.

H: Or is that it?

K: That's it. Well, you know what I'm doing next week?

H: Yeah but when do you go?

K: Sunday.

H: Not this Sunday?

K: Yes.

H: I mean, day after tomorrow.

K: Yeah.

H: I didn't realize that.

K: And I'll be back the following Saturday.

H: Yeah. See you're gone all week.

K: That's right. But that won't be announced till Tuesday.

The telephone is the open line to
the brain, not the brain's end.
Make contact!

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Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

H: We announce Tuesday that you're there.

K: Well, we'll announce Monday that I'm in Paris. And then we'll announce Tuesday the rest of the stops.

H: Okay. I'm just trying to figure where we -- Well, that takes you up and you get back on Saturday. Then you'll report to the President when you get back.

K: Exactly.

H: And then you'll go down to the Convention with him on Tuesday.

K: Right.

H: And then you'll go West with him I assume.

K: Exactly.

H: On Thursday.

K: Unless he stops over in Detroit. I'd like to go on out.

H: He is going to stop over. We'll set up a plane to go straight out.

K: Right.

H: There's no point in your going and I don't think you should go to the
-- See there's the Legion Convention and the Detroit thing both.

K: Well, if you don't mind then, I'll go on the backup plane.

H: We'll set up a plane to go right from Florida out to California.

K: Right. And then there's another one that comes via Washington but if I can go straight out that would be so much better.

H: You want to go straight, don't you?

K: Certainly. My children will go via the other plane.

H: They're going to go from Washington?

K: Yeah.

H. P. Lovecraft, the great writer,
said, in his famous 'conclusion'
which follows this one.

DECLASSIFIED
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TELCORN

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

NASA Date 5/13/64

H: Why don't you bring them down to the Convention?

K: Well, because I think they'll just be coming back from Europe but I might do that.

H: What day do they get back?

K: I think they'll get back Monday.

H: You ought to have them come down.

K: Yeah.

H: And see the acceptance speech. That'll be a big thing for them.

K: Maybe I will bring them down Wednesday.

H: Yeah. And have them go with you from Florida.

K: Yeah.

H: That would be good. So then you ship out there and you stay out there through that whole exercise don't you?

K: Right. In fact I may stay through Labor Day.

H: Um-humm. The President will come back on Sunday.

K: Yeah. But there's no point in that for me.

H: You stay till Monday.

K: Right.

H: That's the 4th.

K: Then the following day we announce the Russian trip.

H: The 5th we announce the trip, that's Tuesday. Then the 7th you leave on Thursday. You're gone over that weekend and then you get back when?

Re: Is it possible to get a job in the military?

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Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:08 p.m., August 11, 1972

By: K.H. W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

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K: The following Thursday, the 14th.

H: Then you shouldn't do the TV until the 21st or so.

K: That's right.

H: I'll bet you'll be a hot property then. That will be a helpful time to do it.

K: I think I should do it that following week.

H: Yeah, I agree. Around the 22nd.

K: That would be a Friday, so it would have to be the 20th or the 21st if you want it that week. I think I have something on the 19th.

H: 21st would be the time to do it; Thursday night.

K: Excellent.

H: Then you make the news magazines out of it also.

K: Excellent. And by that time we can have answered a lot of things.

H: Yep. I think that's sensational. That would be agreat schedule all the way around.

K: And if Vietnam is going to break, it's going to break the following week. Within the next two weeks.

H: Yeah. Okay. Sounds good.

K: Okay, Bob.

H: Very good. Wait a minute, you've got me lost again -- you leave Sunday?

K: Right.

H: You don't need to see the President before you go.

K: No, I saw him today.

H: And that's covered it.

H. P. Lovecraft, the open man
of the mind, S. No. 10, in 'The Unknown
Papers of Mr. Lovecraft'

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TELCORN

Mrs. Stewart Alsop/Mr. Kissinger

7:30 p.m., August 11, 1972

K: Tish.

A: Hi, Henry. He's got the last of the --

K: Oh, yes, I forgot all about it. Well, two things. One, I'm afraid we won't be able to come on Sunday.

A: Ah. What about tomorrow night, could you make it then?

K: I don't think so but if we can, I'll call you.

A: Give me a ring, yeah. We'll be going down in a kind of leisurely way tomorrow.

K: Good.

A: So if you can, we'd love to have you.

K: Good. Now, second, I've arranged for Stewart to ride on the President's plane down to Miami if he really meant it.

A: Oh, well, that's wonderful, Henry. Why don't I give you a ring --

K: So when he recovers will you tell him?

A: What?

K: When he recovers tell him -- my understanding was he was going down with Alice Longworth.

A: Well, that's what they sort of agreed on last night. Whether she will be able to go or not, you know is --

K: Well, I got both of them on the President's plane.

A: Oh, that's wonderful. I think it would be a very good idea if she did go down. I think she's been at home so much now that she's getting a little bored.

K: Yeah. Well, you tell Stewart now that entitles me to one favorable column for the next two years.

The telephone is the open line to God.
Take, O, take of all your sins andational
Repentance shall!

DECLASSIFIED
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TELCONE
Mrs. Stewart Alsop/Mr. Kissinger

7:30 p.m., August 11, 1972

NARA, Dated

A: No bargains now, Henry. (laughter)

K: Listen, if he writes favorable columns for a meal, how about an airplane ride.

A: True, absolutely true. I think that's only fair. I shall tell him.

K: You tell him that the worst thing you can do to a man of integrity is anything that might please him.

A: I know, isn't it awful?

K: Tell him I'm fully aware that I'll pay for it but if he would be on the plane, it would give us all great joy.

A: Ah. Well, thank you very much, Henry. I will tell him and he'll be in touch and hopefully maybe we'll see you tomorrow.

K: Okay.

A: Good. Thanks a lot.

TELCORN

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:45 p.m., August 11, 1972

K: The President again.

H: Yeah.

K: just don't wonder when people here get resentful.

H: Well, I'll tell you, Henry, if I wanted to get at him as much as they --
Nevermind.

K: I know. Bob, one minor point, that bloody Soviet Hydro foil. I was
given the information that there would be some sort of handing over to us.

H: What?

K: Somebody told me, probably erroneously that, you know, that they are
going to hand that hydrofoil over to us. So I at lunch today mentioned
this to Dobrynin so he wants to send somebody from the Soviet Embassy.
It doesn't have to be a big affair but apparently Soviet engineers are
putting it together.

H: It seems to me that's something we gain absolutely nothing from.

K: No, no; we don't have to have a big ceremony. Can't we just have a
White House photographer.

H: Oh, sure. And do what?

K: And just say I hand it over to you and get some Navy Commander to
accept it.

H: Oh, sure. I thought you meant you wanted the President to do something.

K: Oh, Jesus, no. If we can do it on the 21st, for example, I'll go and then
he can go.

H: Sure.

K: And have a White House photographer there.

H: Right. And then send pictures back to Brezhnev.

K: Exactly.

H: Sure.

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7:45 p.m., August 11, 1972

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K: That's all I need.

H: Oh, no; that's fine.

K: And then if perhaps we can give him and me a ride on it.

H: Sure.

K: Why don't we do that?

H: Let's not have the press though; let's just do a White House picture.

K: Oh, yeah.

H: Because it is not a good story from our view point. Publicity on it is not good.

K: Well, certainly I don't want the President. Certainly we don't need the press there.

H: No, no; I --

K: But just so that they can officially hand it to us.

H: Sure. One of the Navy guys will be there to accept it and have a little ceremony.

K: And them let them give us -- I'll take a ride with Dobrynin on it.

H: Great. No problem.

K: Good. Fine.

H: I think that's fine.

K: Good. That's all I want.

H: I didn't have a pencil when we were talking before. I want to write down so that I've got your stuff. You go?

K: Sunday.

H: That's the 13th. What? Sunday night?

H. P. Lovecraft, the original master
of the macabre, at Random House
Penguin Random House USA

By KHLW NARA, Data 5/13/04

TELCORN

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:45 p.m., August 11, 1972

K: Sunday morning.

H: Sunday a.m. And you go right to Paris?

K: Right.

H: Okay. Then what?

K: Then I go to Switzerland for one day.

H: What day?

K: Monday night.

H: All right.

K: You know, it's the 50th wedding anniversary of my parents.

H: Yeah.

K: Then Tuesday night I go to Saigon. I'll get there Wednesday night of their time which is Wednesday morning our time. Then Wednesday night till Friday night I stay in Saigon. Friday night I go to Tokyo. Saturday afternoon I come back here and then I'll come up to Camp David.

H: God, you're going to be dead. Can you come up and stay a couple of days up here so you can rest up then?

K: Well, I'll stay Sunday.

H: Yeah. Okay. Then that's it until the 5th when we announce the other one?

K: Right.

H: And the 7th you leave.

K: Right. 8th Paris, 9th Munich, 10th Moscow, 14th back.

H: 14th return. Okay. And then we were talking about the 21st for the TV.

K: Right. Well, you know, you have to tell me whom to send Kalb to?

H: Yeah. Okay. Good.

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8/12/72 10:00 a.m.

DC: The President would like to invite Stu Alsop to fly down on the plane to Miami.

HK: Let me do that.

DC: That's why I am calling. He would like you to be the one to call him for him. It would be Tuesday, the 22nd in the afternoon and we will have to get back with the details, but just say you wanted to let him know and extend the invitation.

HK: Can I bring Samatha Eggar.

DC: Well, gee, I don't know.

HK: It would get some headlines.

DC: Okay, you'll take care of Alsop.

HK: Right, about noon?

DC: Probably around noon, but we'll get back with specific details.

HK: Okay that is very thoughtful, I appreciate it. I'll take--now listen
Dwight--did you ever leave that address here?

DC: Henry, you won't believe this, I'm still trying to get it from Sam
Wiley in Texas--when I get it, I'll get it over there.

HK: All right, I'll leave a letter and then they can just send it--I'll
dictate the letter and then they can just prepare it for me for
my signature anytime you get the address.

DC: Okay, thank you very much.

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John Chancellor/Mr. Kissinger

10:45 a.m., August 21, 1972

K: John.

C: You must be exhausted.

K: Well, I'm pretty tired.

C: I'll be very brief. If you're heading this way -- I'm in Miami Beach --

K: Yeah, I'm coming down tomorrow with the President.

C: Any chance of an interview of any kind?

K: I don't really think so.

C: Well, I didn't think -- they asked me to ask you.

K: You are very nice.

C: And I said I didn't think you would but I will --

K: I would be glad to consider doing one outside of the political atmosphere if you want me to do one sometime.

C: All right, let's consider that. They have asked me to ask you if you plan to sit in the Hall during the Session. Have you made up your mind on that yet?

K: Yeah. I'm going to be there for the nominating speech and for the acceptance speech. And if you want to wander over and talk to me that way -- you know, as long as we keep it stadia.

C: Well, obviously we would have to operate within the bounds of discretion on your recent trip and I think probably I would say, "Do you want to talk about that." Then you could say whatever you wanted but I would assume that you wouldn't go into substantive detail, would you?

K: No, I would like to express my disappointment that I wasn't put up for the Vice Presidency. Would you let me do that?

C: (laughter) Would you want to come up and sit in the booth with me?

K: No, no, no. You know, I'm not asking for the other; I'm just saying if it happens spontaneously for 5 minutes, I'll do it.

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8/12/72 12:00 noon

AD: Henry, you are working on Saturday.

HK: Yes, and I am leaving the office now.

AD: Oh, that's too bad. Because when you go outside your office, I don't know what you are doing and then I begin worrying.

HK: I am planning on taking a secret trip to North Vietnam--no not to North Vietnam to North Korea.

AD: (laughing) Both sides ______ the Red Cross. I hope you have nothing to do with the Red Cross.

HK: No, not yet.

AD: But the Blue Cross is another storey, but not the Red Cross.... Yes, you called me yesterday.

HK: On that matter we discussed that film, I have talked to the publisher of Time-Life-Donovan, and of course, he'd reject any right of the White House to tell him what to do with his film, so he made a long speech on that, but I think there is a very strong possibility, that they' will not sell it this year, I mean that they will not release it for exhibition this year.

AD: Was it intended for international or ....

HK: They were sell it to try to get it on television and but I think we are... every possibility that it will not happen this year. Now, I put it on the grounds--what is that 50th Anniversary you were mentioning?

AD: The creation of the Soviet Union.

HK: Was that in '22?

AD: It was in '22. Of course, before it was a revolution, actually it wasn't Russia.

HK: Then it's the 50th Anniversary of what?

AD: No, no it was the creation of the Socialist Republic.

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HK: You tell your leaders to let us handle it one step at a time.

AD: I understand.

HK: If we can keep them from selling it to television this year, then that already makes it hard for next year--then we'll put it on the ground with Brezhnev coming over here--by that time we are in next summer--by that time we may have a whole different situation. Another thing if you are interested, they sent me the film here for the President to view and I never showed it to the President--

AD: 16 or 35?

HK: I don't know, I just wondered if you wanted to see it, of course on a strictly personal basis so that you could make you own judgment of how much effort should be put into preventing its release.

AD: I think it may not be a bad idea.

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HK: Actually my own impression of it is that it is not sympathetic to the Soviet Union and I don't believe our present leadership is even mentioned in there.

AD: I think maybe a good idea, then when I am through with Gen. Haig (?) on Monday

HK: Let me see if I can find it.

AD: No, there isn't a hurry--we'll be in touch on Monday or should I be in touch with you--what do you prefer?

HK: You be in touch with me.

AD: Okay if you find it then you'll let me see it.

HK: No one will know that you saw it--we could show you in the WH theater. Or bring it over to the Soviet Embassy.

AD: Any why that is more convenient for you.

HK: Of course it is very much in my interest that no one knows that I have shown this to you. Okay we'll do it.

AD: For the time being...

HK: The only thing your leadership should understand if Donovan tomorrow

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HK: morning decides to sell anyway, it isn't a breach of promise on our side--it is now my impression that he will not sell it....

AD: I understand--I don't want to have you right in the middle-- I will mention that that...

HK: I am quite optimistic though. I will get a definitive answer in another week.

AD: Okay--nothing else I guess--except this master business of which I don't want to be involved anymore. (laughing)

HK: Which?

AD: between the Senate. Because yesterday Jackson made some very ______ statement.

HK: Yeh, but we have nothing to do with Jackson.

AD: I know--their treaty that was supposed to create better atmosphere is now completely different ...

HK: The reason we wanted to get that resolution passed was to set up Jackson. Actually, if we could have gotten Fulbright behind the Jackson amendment, then we could have all got this thing passed.

AD: I was not in ______

HK: No, no, I know but the people who think they are your friends.

AD: It is not a question of friends because I think they are looking in a sense for right direction -- I agree with them really.

HK: I know, but once the thing got rolling that last resolution didn't do any damage. By Monday it will be over and by Wednesday it will forgotten.

AD: I see you then on Friday right?

HK: On Friday for lunch.

AD: Okay, have a nice weekend.

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8/12/82 12:00 noon

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HK: No, not yet.

HK: On that matter we discussed that film, I have talked to the publisher of Time-Life--Donovan, and of course, he'd reject any right of the White House to tell him what to do with his film, so he made a long speech on that, but I think there is a very strong possibility, that they' will not sell it this year, I mean that they will not release it for exhibition this year.

HK: Was that in '22?

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HK: You tell your leaders to let ... someone else do it.

AD: I understand.

AD: 16 or 35?

HK: Actually my own impression of it is that it is not sympathetic to the Soviet Union and I don't believe your present leadership is even mentioned in there.

HK: You be in touch with me.

HK: Of course it is just very much in my interest that no one knows that I have shown this to you. Okay we'll do it.

AD: For the time being...

HK: The only thing your leadership should understand is Donovan tomorrow

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HK: Which?

AD: I was not in ______

HK: I know, but once the thing got rolling that last resolution didn't do any damage By Monday it will be over and by Wednesday it will be forgotten.

HK: On Friday for lunch.

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D: Hello.

K: Anatol.

D: Oh, hello Henry. I hope you're still there, but I was just told that we are going to have a decoration on your new boat.

K: That's right. But it's at 11, isn't it?

D: Yes at eleven, because nobody told me about 10 o'clock, really. I just arrived from Maryland.

K: Oh you did. Well, shall we go together?

D: I could drop by, if you like.

K: Yes why don't you drop by about a quarter to eleven?

D: A quarter to eleven - through usual entrance.

K: No you can come in the front -- you know this is official.

D: What you mean official? What you mean through the Northwest?

K: Yeh.

D: OK, no problem

K: Now one other thing I'm told that you don't really want to have breakfast, you want to see me today.

D: No, I ask whether it is possible to make it today and he said no. . . . so I leave it at 8:30 tomorrow morning.

K: Is that all right?

D: Quite all right with me.

K: Because otherwise I could conceiveably have lunch today.

D: Well, as you wish. May be we could organize it. What is better for you? I can go either way.

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John Chancellor/Mr. Kissinger

10:45 a.m., August 21, 1972

K: John.

C: You must be exhausted.

K: Well, I'm pretty tired.

K: I don't really think so.

K: You are very nice.

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C: Yeah. All right.

K: But I don't want to go up to the booth. And I'd like to have it clearly understood that you came up to me; that I didn't --

C: That's right. Would you -- you see, you're going to be pursued by a whole pack of those floor people. You're aware of that I'm sure.

K: I've never been there with a winning candidate.

C: Well, what will happen is there are VIP booths on one side of the hall directly opposite the anchor booth where we are. If you're in the first or second row there, there will be a lot of Secret Service people there in front of you but there will also be floor reporters skinning down ropes and crawling under the chairs and there will be a big mob. And I just caution you on that.

K: Well, as a friend, John, what do you advise that I do? Because, I frankly, would like to keep the non-partisan character of foreign policy.

C:

C: Of course. I'm fully aware of that and as a friend --

K: And I would like not to get involved -- I think there is no honorable way I cannot go to a Convention that nominates my President.

C: That's right.

K: But I don't want to go and pop off all over the place.

C: What if I were to come out to Key Biscayne on Wednesday morning and we would make a few minutes of film? I think the President would like you to be part of the proceedings and I think we can fashion something that looks -- you and I -- that looks reasonable. In other words, it looks journalistic and credible but doesn't end up with my hectoring you about negotiations that are underway. Do you see the difference?

K: Yeah. No, no; well, I know you would be a gentleman about it anyway.

C: What do you think about that? Then you could get to the Hall and say, "Look, I'm sorry, I'm saying absolutely nothing to anybody." And this gaggle of reporters would go away. Because everybody's editor is going to say if Kissinger walks in the Hall, get him. You see. You can understand why. And I think if you begin to do it with one -- in other

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C: (cont'd) words, if I were suddenly to come down from the anchor booth and appear sitting next to you, it might have kind of -- it wouldn't look spontaneous because it wouldn't be normal for me to do it.

K: Yeah. If some of your anchor people come up, what would they do? They would still talk to me about the issues, wouldn't they?

C: The difference I think is the difference between the strategy of the President's program and the tactics of it as you're carrying them out.

K: Yeah. Well, you see, what I would most like to do -- I would most like not to talk about substance at all. You know, if somebody asked me what do you think of the Convention and if I think anything, I'll be glad to say it.

C: Well, I think if you were to get into an interview, people would have to ask you about chances for peace, for what Bill Rogers has been saying, that sort of thing. This is really what's on everybody's mind.

K: Yeah.

C: And the Rogers' interviews which have been widely printed around the country are getting a lot of attention from people. And you're aware of what he said.

K: Yeah. But these were just conjunctures on his part.

C: I know but --

K: He wasn't saying anything was happening. He was just saying it was his judgment looking at the factors what should happen.

C: Right. But as I say, I think probably we could do something --

K: Let me tell you, John, what my position is. I don't want to pursue an independent PR policy here except for the policy of not getting involved in partisan controversy unless I absolutely get triggered into it over my dead body.

C: Right.

K: But I haven't been triggered into it yet. So, with that one limitation which I've said, let me talk to Haldeman and see what I can do with some dignity and call you back. But in any case, if I do something outside the Hall, I will do it with you and I will talk to you first.

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10:45 a.m., August 21, 1972

C: All right, that's fine. And remember, you see, if you're going to be there, it's very easy for me either before or after sessions -- and we don't have any session on Wednesday morning, you know, or Wednesday afternoon -- for me to just get in a car very quietly and discreetly and turn up at Key Biscayne. No one would know and we could just simply do something on film that we could play that evening. And you could do it outside of all the tensions of the Hall which for you will be reasonably tense. I mean, there will be a lot of people shoving microphones at you as you know.

K: No, I don't know. I've never been in that position.

C: Well, but you're at -- we are at a Convention where you are probably the most interesting news story aside from the Vice President and the President himself in terms of personality and so you can expect --

K: And the only one with an accent.

C: (laughter) I don't know; you could say the other two have accents and you don't.

K: (laughter) That's a good line. That's a good one.

C: But so beware of that, really and truly. And it will be sort of a mob scene. The Secret Service can completely keep the press away and you can say, "No, I'm sorry, I'm here as an observer and I'm not going to say anything." If you want to do that, that can be done.

K: Where do I find you?

C: You find me -- your girl has the number but let me give you a number now. Area Code 305/673-5622.

K: I will get back to you.

C: And it's 22 -- and it's one of those things; it's 23 and 24 and all that.

K: I will get back to you.

C: Thank you, Henry.

K: Nice to talk to you.

C: Bye, bye.

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8/21/72 12:28 p.m.

RN: Did you have fun at the hydrofoil?

HK: Yeh, it is really a terrific boat.

RN: I am going to be interested in using it some time--I'll do it right after the convention.

HK: They tell the Potomac isn't really very good for it.

RN: Yeh, well, I am going to take it to Florida. I want to go over a couple of brief questions if I can.

HK: Certainly.

RN: First with regard to the--I'm just picking the numbers and things now, I use the term hundreds of draft evaders--is it thousands or hundreds?

HK: Certainly not thousands.

RN: I think I could say hundreds and get away with it.

HK: Absolutely.

RN: All right, I'll just say hundreds--who at least gone to Canada--I think it is just as well to say hundreds--I don't want to say thousands--fine. Second point, remember we had that--you had suggested a line in about standing by our Europe and Asia and so forth--

HK: Yeh.

RN: I put in a very good line on it--the point is, you said Europe and Asia--shouldn't I said allies in Europe, Asia and Latin America? Or do we have allies in Latin America.

HK: Strictly speaking we don't have allies in Latin America.

RN: Just don't do it that then.

HK: I don't mind having it in there.

RN: Why don't we say Europe, Asia and Latin America.

HK: It can do no harm

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RN: Because basically we have the Alliance of Progress and Statement of Caracas (?) and all that sort of thing--but I agree they are not allies, but if you prefer not, we'll leave it out. I just wondered if the Latins might not appreciate--why don't we just say our allies and friends.

HK: That would be best.

RN: We'll just say our allies and friends in Europe, Asia--I'm not going to say Africa, good god that's going too far--am I just saying Europe, Asia and Latin--

HK: (chuckling) We have no allies in Africa.

RN: (laughing) and very few friends. Okay, I got it. Final point is one that we discussed but that I come back to again. I said regardless of how the negotiations come out, that we can--that the way the South Vietnamese have met the offensive of the enemy that they--have the capacity to defend themselves without. I wonder if that doesn't have the problem that with their power still going on that it is an overstatement. It is true they are fighting on the ground, but we have already mentioned that--you'll remember that I said they will soon have the capacity.

HK: Maybe we could put "soon" back in.

RN: You see it doesn't hurt any. Because that really means we'll be getting out pretty soon, that's what I was really trying to say. I'll put "soon" back in, okay Henry, that's all I have.

HK: Right, Mr. President, I think it will be very strong speech. Dobrynin was very fascinating about Vietnam--he said he wanted us to know that they were real eager to get it settled.

RN: Good, was he?

HK: Heard that when LeDuc Tho came through Moscow, he did see a Politburo member but only number 5--that Brezhnev and the others, even though they were there, wouldn't see him. He said they are playing it very stupidly, they are still hoping we will make additional concessions.

RN: The Russians are?

HK: No, no, the North Vietnamese.

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RN: The Russians want the damn thing settled. I don't think they ever did until we went over there--but they do now.

HK: They did ever since about April when they realized that it was really risking their relations with us.

RN: Sure, that's what I mean. As long as it would irritate us without irritating their relations on bigger things, it was okay, but now it's that way around, and frankly, I think the Chinese think the same thing.

HK: No question about it. That's true about both of them.

RN: Okay, Henry, thank you very much.

HK: Right Mr. President.

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HK: Yes. They are getting very goosey for the reasons I wanted them to do it--they apparently had a blast from the Chinese and they say they want to study it now.

SP: Is that right? I'll be damned. Well, you were right again.

HK: We've got the power curve caught up with us. I thought I could sneak them in there before the other game got too far down the road.

SP: Hm huh. I do want to think some more myself and then with you about the Europeans.

HK: No, no, I don't want the European...

SP: Well, let me give you this input for what it is worth. Texas Eastern finds that they will finance about four of the countries virtually the whole deal and the deal would be we take whatever we want --we'd probably do the trips to control the deal, you know, for the reasons you mentioned--

HK: I think it is too dangerous to get the Europeans that closely tied to the Russians...

SP: But they already, you know Henry, have a variety of their own deals.

HK: Yeh, but I really feel very strongly that we mustn't push that. But we do need, and that's what I'm calling you about--I was talking to Sonnenfeldt--we don't have a complete paper from you and the Russians are entitled to have and must have a complete paper because it is the only thing I am going to be able to bring with me.

SP: Right.

HK: Now what is the schedule on this?

SP: Well, Jim and I are down here now -- I have written the introductory portion --he said you were going to be down here when?

HK: Tomorrow--but I won't have time to talk to him.

SP: Yeh. Then he said you were going to Hawaii on what day?

HK: A week from Wednesday.

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SP: Jim and I were kicking around the possibility of bringing out to you a day or two before you left a complete pitch. Glenn and I are working on it right now down here.

HK: Okay, but we can't at any rate expect the pitch within the next week.

SP: Absolutely.

HK: We must have it -- and make it as complete and simple as you can.

SP: Yeh. I have talked now to three Senators and Congressmen and Henry I think are in a delightful position on lend/lease in which we keep agonizing over it making it seem like a very high cost concession but the truth of the matter is in the range that we have been talking about that I needn't elaborate on, I am now getting increasingly certain that we can solve that easily at our congress, so we got a low cost/high benefit situation going for us --I am almost sure of that.

HK: Well, I'm never against those. Can we get something complete that I can tell Brezhnev this is what we are doing.

SP: Absolutely.

HK: You know with a lot of procedural and other stuff. And the same on lend/lease.

SP: Absolutely.

HK: And also we have to find a way of getting Lynn there arriving almost the time we get there. And I'll take--just let him go commercially. If he travels with us, I have to take the State Department guy.

SP: Okay, when will I see you.

HK: Where are you staying?

SP: We're at the Doral. When are you coming?

HK: Tomorrow afternoon, but I am going to be in Key Biscayne with the Pres.

SP: I see. And then you go to California immediately?

HK: Yeh. But let's call each other and try to talk.

SP: Okay I'm pleased if you're please. I am kind of sorry about the gas thing because I had a certain....

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HK: Well, no it's still possible. Just no longer salivating they way they were.

SP: Now the main problem we have there is Brother Flanigan and I hope to see him down there.

HK: Well, look, I';ve talked to the President -- we don't have a problem with Flanigan because I am just going to kill him.

SP: I mean on the matter of substance, he is still fully persuaded.

HK: I don't give a damn.

SP: You know that we don't need the gas and we can get it domestically.

HK: But we want it for political reasons.

SP: And I'm saying even for economic reasons and we're going to try to confront him with the people--the biggest guys in the business Henry are these guys who sell the stuff and I have now quizzed them intensively and their point of view is if we thought we could get this stuff at the United States at the same price, why the hell would we want to be going thru this agony of you know 9,000 miles shipping and OMD ships (?) and all this sort of thing and they say they have rooms full of data to demonstrate to their satisfaction --but what ever happens in the United States we're going to need this gas desperately --

HK: I don't give a damn

SP: And my feeling is that even if we didn't need it unless I am mistaken the carrot here is of sufficient attractiveness that would be worth a little dough.

HK: Essential.

SP: All right fine, Henry.

HK: Thank you Pete--my best to Sally.

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8/21/72 2:00 p.m.

HK: Hugh, how are you.

HS: Fine, Henry.

HK: Hugh, I wonder if we could get you to declare a moratorium on predictions on when the war will end?

HS: Well, you won't have to bother, I haven't been doing that. Somebody says there is something on the wire but I....

HK: There is some thing on the wire according to which you said you expected to end just before the election.

HS: I did not. I haven't even had a press conference except a Pennsylvania press conference yesterday -- and was not asked my conversation until 4:00 o'clock today--I did not say anything on the Floor to any of these network people....comment on F ord's remark and said you'll have to talk to Gerry Ford, I'm not making any predictions.

HK: Yeh, you see the trouble is if we keep making predictions, then the other side will think.....

HS: ..Henry, that I have made it, now you go back a minute and

HK: No, no, no, I am not saying you are making it the only reason-- I am not accusing you of making it, I just want to tell you why I am so concerned about stories like that....

HS: Well, you tell me how we can avoid stories because I have not made it --I have a press donference at 4:00, I will say then that I have not made such a prediction, I won't highlight it, but I will say it....

HK: Well, no I would just avoid making a prediction--in case it comes up.

HS: I want to make one thing perfectly clear--that I hadn't made it--

HK: No I understand it.

HS: I think it was a remark that Gerry Ford made two or three days ago and I was there at the time--my comment was that I am not making predictions....so I don't know whether it was the network or wire service or what---

HK: It is a wire story.

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HS: Yeh. Well, you are free to have it....

HK: No, I think it may be a good opportunity at your press conference to sort of make light of it--that would be good.

HS: Oh, I can go that, but I have avoid that kind of thing, almost every week somebody accuses me of something or other.

HK: No, I am not accusing you, I am just referring to that wire story

HS: I know, but I mean the press do. I don't know what the hell they are talking about. Henry, in the last 48 hours I have had one Pennsylvania press conference where we talked principally about the flood, and McGovern so there has been no room for that Henry at all.

HK: Okay.

HS: Just tell them down there, they needn't worry about me, I am not going to make it, but I can't promise you that CBS, NBC, and ABC won't say five minutes later that I did make it.

HK: Well, the only thing I wanted to mention to you because as Minority Leader you do have a sort of special position that it is a very delicate period while they are assessing their situation and we don't want to say

HS: Henry, if I sounded like I was a little sore about it, I am sore because I can't control the newspaper end of it, I didn't say it.

HK: Look I fully accept that and I have been exposed to that offen enough myself, the only reason I mention it is because as long as I have got you on the phone in your capacity as Minority Leader to mention to you that this is really a very delicate period in reference to the future not in reference to the past.

HS: But I am happy to know as little as possible, frankly, we can keep it that way as far as I am concerned, Henry.

HK: Well, we will bring you in as soon as we have something complete.

HS: As soon as you can, but I'll catch them at 4:00, I may bring it up.

HK: Okay, Hugh, nice to talk to you, I'll probably see you down there some time, I'll be down tomorrow with the President.

TELCORN

Mr. Gwertzman, New York Times/Mr. Kissinger

2:20 p.m., August 21, 1972

G: Hello, Mr. Kissinger, how are you?

K: Okay.

G: We have this AFT story which you've probably seen by now.

K: No, I haven't.

G: Well, it's written by Thorval in Hanoi.

K: By who?

G: Thorval who is their correspondent there and it's a little on the
tendentious side. It says that the Paris-Viet Nam peace talks
are thoroughly deadlocked the Hanoi press said today. And North
Vietnamese newspapers formally denied American reports of a
breakthrough leading to a possible settlement before the end of the
year. It goes on. . .

K: That has to do with the Rogers statement.

G: And then it goes on - you see some of these things I think appeared
yesterday. I'm going down a little bit to Non Dong - the party organ
wrote that President Nixon was involved in a campaign of bluff in
the hope of getting back into the White House and putting the electorate
to sleep. The paper went on to say "Nixon and his clique are trying
deliberately to mislead a certain number of people attempting to
make them believe that the United States position has changed. The
U.S. position remains recalcitrant and reaked of real colonialism,"
Non Dang wrote.

K: I get the point. Well, we won't make any comments.

G: Is there any guidance you can give or anything?

K: No, I think we'll just let events take their course here.

G: Uh-huh. Okay.

K: You know, it's in their interests to give the impression of a stalemate
to get the maximum pressure on us. So I just won't make any comment.

G: Right. I take it that from what's been said in the last 24 hours on
Rogers' statement that he was going a little far.

TELCORN

2:20 p.m., August 21, 1972

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K: Well, he was making an assessment of the trends.

G: Yeah.

K: You know, he wasn't making an assessment of the negotiations.

G: Right.

K: So I wouldn't support that as a statement of the current state of negotiations. I just don't want to make any predictions.

G: Yeah. Well, I understand.

K: And, you know, I understand what they are trying to do and let's just see what happens.

G: Right. Okay.

though

K: I wouldn't go wild the other way either to tell you the truth.

G: In an optimistic way.

K: Well, I'd go wild neither in an optimistic nor would I go wild in a pessimistic way.

G: In other words, we are still waiting?

K: Yeah.

G: Right. Thank you very much.

K: Right. But this is all off-the-record.

G: Of course.

K: Bye, bye.

Receptionist's Note: the operator has left the room.

Mr. Haldeman, see if I can assist you.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.5

TELCONE

Mr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

2:53 p. m. 8/21/72

HK: Bob, I had a call from Chancellor this morning and of course
he wanted what you would expect that I come up to the booth.

BH: Yeh, they all want that.

HK: And I said no. Then he said he would be willing to come
out to Key Biscayne and do five minutes and put it on the evening
show.

BH: Hell no, we'd be better off to do the booth than that.

HK: Well, I won't do the booth. I mean that's just stupid for me to
appear in a political role right now.

BH: Well you in the same thing either way. People don't know where
you're at--they'll put it on the same show whether they're in
the booth or whether they're in Key Biscayne.

HK: Okay, that's what I wanted to know, so I won't do it.

BH: Yeh, because it would be the same problem.

HK: Just for argument sake, he can't say he is == he just came out to
Key Biscayne when I am with the President. But the five minutes
aren't worth it anyway.

BH: That's the point. If you follow the theory that we talked about the
other night that I thought you and the President agreed on--
that we ought to hold it....

HK: No, I agree I would like to do as little television as possible.
Of course, Chancellor said exactly what the President said
that next to him and possibly the VP he said he can tell me now
that if I said--if I put my little toe into the hole, they're all going
to jump all over me.

BH: Yeh, they will. That's what I was trying to say to you last night.
What kind of worries me about how you handle it when you get into
the hall.

HK: Maybe I shouldn't do anything in the box either.

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BH: I think we ought to think about that. Have you been watching it?

HK: No.

BH: They really screwed Mrs. Nixon and the family --they let Dan Rather at them--(don't tell the President this), but he cut loose on all--he asked Mrs. Nixon why she was so unpleasant and asked Tricia why she was against abortion and....

HK: What worries me is if they ask me "willyou talk about Vietnam negotiations" and I'll say no--you know I may come across this very surely.

BH: You don't have to come K&OXX across--you can simply say that that is something that is not suitable for discussion at this place and time

HK: We don't have to recite that because...

BH: The problem is that if you go into the hall there is nothing you can do about interviews--you're going to get them--the press has freedom of the hall. You can shoot them.

HK: Can I say that--Haldeman says we can shoot you and that's the only reason I'm talking to you.

BH: It would help my image because they all think I believe that we should shoot them.

HK: Well, I can leave the implication that you'd like to but I haven't figured out a way of doing it without witnesses. Hanoi has blasted off against Rogers just I knew it would and of course the press is calling and asking.....

BH: Herb pretty well shoot it down didn't he?

HK: Well, it's a deadlock. Basically yoy can shoot it down domestically but at any rate if all they do is blast, I don't give a damn. If they don't cancel the meetings and we make sure that everyone shuts up and that every foreign policy interview gets cleared with us.

BH: Does Bill know that?

HK: No, but if you could put out a directive it would help.

BH: Okay.

Re: phone call to Mr. Kissinger
Date: Aug 21, 1972
Subject: RE: Kissinger

By: KML W
N/A: Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Robert Ellsworth/Mr. Kissinger

3:30 p.m., August 21, 1972

E: Hello.

K: Hello, Bob.

E: Henry, thank you for returning my call. Actually I called you before you went away not knowing that you were going away.

K: Well, I had already gone when you called me.

E: Yes, I know that; I know it now. Listen, I'd like to have a chance to come down and visit with you for a few minutes sometime at your convenience.

K: Okay. What about?

E: About Vietnam.

K: Okay. It would have to be in September now because I'm not going to be back until then.

E: Okay, fine.

K: You have a plan?

E: No, I certainly don't have a plan for God's sake. But as I say, I wanted to talk to you about it before you went but not knowing that you were going. Do you want to let me know when you're back?

K: Yes, I'll call you the week of the 5th when I'll be back or the 4th whichever it is.

E: I beg your pardon/

K: I'll be back the week of September 4th.

E: Yes, fine.

K: And we'll get together then.

E: Thank you very much.

K: Good, Bob. I appreciated your letter.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOLAST
By CNARA Date STOCH

TELCONE

Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Dobrynin
3:42 p. m. 8/21/72

HK: Anatol, how are you?

AD: Thank you very much.

HK: I just wanted to make sure you were not out spying.

AD: No, I am just preparing to go home.

HK: I've got two great pictures of you and me on the hydrofoil.

AD: Already?

HK: Yeh, we'll have some of the others later. But they're really nice.
I give them to take home with you.

AD: Okay.

HK: What I wanted to call 1 you about is that I have had an official answer
from TIME from Hedley Donovan that they have not yet sold that
film.

AD: Yes.

HK: And at least they won't do it this year.
If they do sell it, I will then work on the network. I think
you can be certain that it will not be shown this year.

AD: Okay.

HK: Have you seen it?

AD: Not yet. I asked Vorontsov to be touch with Haig, but I don't think--
just to look it through.

HK: You can do it any time you want.

AD: Maybe I ought to do it tomorrow.

HK: I'll show the letter of Donovan's to you. But I am certain, because
I would assume that we will have announced the Brezhnev visit
some time early next year and then we can delay it again until
after that.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E1-2358
By CHNARA Date 6/2/68

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AD: Yeh I understand. I think that'll be fine --I'll mention that in Moscow.

HK: You can assure them that it would be impossible now that it will be done this year.

AD: Okay. What about tomorrow are you in a position to give me a draft on the....

HK: I knew you would raise difficult subjects with me.

AD: Not at all, I just --it is what you mentioned to me. I don't ask anything from you --I'm just trying to keep in touch with your statements.

HK: There is no sense in being nice to you. Yeh, I will give you something and I will explain it with you how we should proceed from here.

AD: Okay. As for now, I owe you only this --about the conflict between my ----what else do I owe you?

HK: A settlement of the Vietnam War.

AD: Okay, we will settle during the coffee break tomorrow. Every word is true the Secretary of State appears ..... (HK Laughing)--what else --what higher authority, of foreign policy --already made it public.

HK: You are cruel.

AD: That's why I am allowed to go home for vacationing.

HK: You're are cruel.

AD: I am just quoting what I am told, nothing else and he is today appearing in the spotlight in the President's box in Miami Beach. They said in the President's box Mrs. Nixon invited them.

HK: Oh really?

AD: The Secretary and Mrs. Rogers and two others unknown to me so the impressions is created that deal is finished on Vietnam and he is enjoying himself.

HK: No you see if he predicts a quick victory, then it will be my fault if it isn't.

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AD: Because mostly it is your traveling to Paris and Saigon so he is not. He is on the television for the re-election of the President and you are even not there.

HK: That is right.

AD: Your ______ will be very difficult to defend—probably he will write you a memo on a certificate saying that you have done your best all right?

HK: Signed by the Politburo.

AD: Exactly, all the members. (laughing)
(？)

HK: Okay (laughing) except Kerr Linko whom you need to see.....
Le Duc Tho when he comes through.

AD: Well, he is an important man now.

HK: I know, I met him.

AD: He is in the ______ mostly. He is in favor of ______ relations definitely. Okay, Henry.

HK: I will see you at 8:30 in the Map Room. You will get no caviar. I will see you tomorrow, we'll just review where we stand, I don't have a great deal either.

AD: No, I understand--just pointby-point.

HK: Right. Bye.

TELECON

Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Dobrynin

3:42 p. m. 8/21/72

HK: Anatol, how are you?

AD: Thank you very much.

HK: I just wanted to make sure you were not out bying.

AD: Already?

AD: Okay.

HK: What I wanted to call I you about is that I have had an official answer from TIME from Halley Donovan that they have not yet sold that film.

AD: Yes.

AD: Okay.

HK: Have you seen it?

AD: Okay, we will settle during the coffee break tomorrow. Every word is true the Secretary of State appears ....HK Laughing)--what else --what higher authority, of foreign policy --already made it public.

HK: You are cruel.

HK: You're are cruel.

HK: Oh really?

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MD: Because mostly it is your traveling to Paris and Saigon so he is not. He is on the television for the re-election of the President and you are even not there.

HK: That is right.

AD: Your ______ will be very difficult to defend-probably he will write you a memo on a certificate saying that you have done your best all right?

HK: Signed by the Politburo.

HK: Okay (laughing) except Kerr Linko whom you need to see.... Le Duc Tho when he comes through.

HK: I know, I met him.

HK: Right. Bye.