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Secretary Schlesinger/Secretary Kissinger

August 7, 1974

1:10 PM

S: Have you received any indication out of North Vietnam? Has Brent brought you up on that?

K: No.

S: They've been coming in for the past week but ____ in the last 24 hours. They have 3 divisions they placed on ____ and go forward 7 miles. The 308th which I up there in North Vietnam is being put on standby. There's some other things that I can't go into now.

K: Anything we can do?

S: That's why I wanted to check with you. There's nothing that we can really do. I thought we could put a carrier off the coast and have a ____ scale mission.

K: I will call the Russians and Chinese and warm them.

S: You better wait until you get the intelligence report that's coming your way.

K: I think that's an excellent idea.

S: I'll go ahead and move these carriers.

K: How long will that take?

S: On the one carrier it should take a day and the others a little longer.

K: They won't just show up without my having a chance to tell the Chinese.

S: No.

K: Good.

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Mr. Sisco/Secretary Kissinger

August 7, 1974

2:35 PM

K: What I called you about was some concern I have for NEA. We have Fahmy coming next week. I don't know what we are going to do about this. I don't know who is invited, what is planned, where...I have to entertain them, I don't even have a guest list in final....

S: There was a memorandum sent into you yesterday and I saw....

K: Yes, and it only raises four locations. What in the NEA name of God is so hard about it. An FSO-8 should be able to prepare it. Nothing makes it any easier, three days before or three weeks before.

S: I know... but let me take hold of this and see what I can do.

K: I understand you had lunch with Dinitz today. I hope you didn't tell him much.

S: Very little. I left that for you with Rifai... I told him (x) A) we are in general concurrence and willing to talk about this and secondly, there is a question about how these things can be done. What I really talked about was the Law of the Sea problems and secondly, he talked about arms, but he said he thinks he can explain why all of this war talk is coming out of Israel. He says they need this to generate the kind of professional preparations calling new up and that sort of thing; x provisions to get weapons, tanks ready. I think this is a government that is politically afraid to get caught with their pants down. I found it a rational explanation of but from an international view point, it is difficult.

K: Take a look at NEA and if Atherton can't perform, we'll have to replace him.

S: I'll have a look and I'll do my best. This is my first love and I want to please you and do what you want me to do.

K: I know that. But now the problem is, here we have Fahmy coming on Monday and what are we going to discuss in the economic session, but why aren't the invitations even out for a dinner for him? And it's too late.

S: That is true, it is late. One of the difficulties is they aren't clear in terms of when he is going to be here.

K: We could just pick Tuesday.

S: I think you should, that is, they suggest a working luncheon but you have to decide what you want to do socially.

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K: But are the Egyptians giving him a dinner?

S: Yes, they also suggested that, the memorandum says that you one, host a working luncheon, 2) ____ the Egyptians on the 13th and thirdly, that you meet with Fahmy to co-chair the meeting. It does not say anything about....

K: That is stupid. He is here for the meeting. Who will chair the first session Simon? We have to have the meeting at the beginning.

S: The first recommendation is that you meet with the delegation on the 12th for a brief opening session followed by a private meeting with Fahmy. But it doesn't cover the point you raised as to what social functions you would give, and you need to give one. I see it that you have a choice of Monday or Wednesday

K: Alright. Maybe Monday night.

S: I'll do that.

K: OK.

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Mr. Eagleburger/Secretary Kissinger

August 7, 1974

2:47 pm

K: When you work with Brent on this, don't give me a draft like what you did. It is something someone bats out in ten minutes. I want to know who drafts it, when it's drafted. Has to be redone. What meetings have taken place. I need a rational...

E: That's what we're doing now.

K: How much time did you spend on it? You didn't spend any time on it.

E: I noted on the top that it was some quick thoughts -- that it was just a first crack. We are working on a new draft now.

K: Will you redraft it and do a chart for me that I can show to the other guy by the end of the day. Also, I find major omissions in the draft that was typed. There are several Newhouse pages missing.

E: I went through it word for word against the draft with the secretary, everything you gave me is in it. I will work on the other.

K: No, there are some Newhouse pages missing, I can't find them. Well, it can't be done now because I know Scowcroft is with the Vice President.

E: He'll be right back. I'm waiting here for him and writing while he is gone.

K: Will you do it in a mature, rational way and not give me just an idiotic...

E: Yes sir, yes sir.

K: You should see the economic program list they gave me. It's one and a half pages...

E: Oh, on the Egyptian thing.

K: That's right.

E: Alright sir.

K: Thank you.

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Mr. Sisco/The Secretary

August 7, 1974

7:03 P.M.

S: Yes Sir.

K: What I really wanted to talk to you and Hal about was to send a
letter to Sadat.

S: We have it in train now.

K: In train does not mean it goes out on Sunday.

S:

K: We want to do the thing; this has been reported by the ____.
Well I think we ought to get it out tonight. We have to understand
what exactly you _____. Don't go into detail.

S: I will talk to Hal. I unfortunately have to leave in ten minutes
to take the Jordanian Prime Minister to dinnr in lieu of you. If
they could only eliminate this damn social stuff. I don't object to a
12 hour day. It is the other four hours I don't want to give up.
I'll talk to Hal immediately. I know it is being drafted.

K: Well, being drafted in this building means four days.

S: No, not with Hal Saunders. He is good. He'll get it right away.

K: Ok.

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Rita Hauser/The Secretary

August 7, 1974

7:19 p.m.

H: It is hard to get you. I called to tell you a friend of mine, who is a very old and good friend, advises me has was consulted by Mel Laird yesterday on two areas of interest to both of us. Mel is being considered as an advisor to Ford so that he won't be a threat to Jerry in 1976. My friend said that Mel discussed with him at some length whether he, my friend, could live basically with you as Secretary limelighting my friend. I say my friend because I am professionally obligated not to tell you. H has been living in a very strange circumstance. I just don't think there is any problem in effect, which is what I told him. I thought it was very interesting that Mel was seeking advice on this.

K: Not every advice Mel seeks is ______.

H: Jerry preside over.... Cabinet and WH and presumably at such time as Haig goes, Laird will come in and take over the WH. Rose Woods called me today in a terrible funk and said the President wanted my advice. I said it breaks my heart to say this, but I told her I thought he should resign and do it soon. She said he has made no decision. But Mel has certainly moved in and is getting off the shots. ______ would like to see Nelson as V.P..... does Nelson want it?

K: I have no way of knowing. Mel is Mel and we will just have to see.

H: I have no doubt, Henry, that he told you all along he would be a big wheel and he is the man who made Ford what he is. The best thing is for you to just do your business.

K: I get along with Mel and you never know what the WH will be like.

H: There is nothing else that can be done.

K: That is exactly my view.

H: ______ and let me know what you think.

K: I appreciate it very much Rita. Let me know when you come down here.

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General Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger

August 8, 1974

11:25 AM

K: Brent, is everything still on schedule as far as you know?

S: Yes, and I've reconfirmed it. That's going on right now. About the meeting announcement this afternoon, they said no problem, but they would rather wait until this meeting is over to make sure. They're going to call me after the meeting is over.

K: I'm going to be over there at 3:00.

S: Right.

K: At the EOB office?

S: Right.

K: OK. On drafting those letters, I think we should ought to draft them over here.

S: I don't have any problems with that.

K: Clift isn't in the same class as Sonnenfeldt.

S: That doesn't give me any problem.

K: Fine. As soon as I get my guys working there's a possibility that it will leak out so I want to make sure the other meeting is on.

S: I'll call you after the meeting.

K: Not my meeting with him.

S: No.

K: When are they going to announce the Presidential speech?

S: My understanding is noon.

K: Good. Will you let me know as soon as it's been announced.

S: Right.

K: OK.

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The Vice President/ Sec. Kissinger
August 8, 1974, 12:30 p.m.

F: Good morning.

K: Mr. Vice President.

F: How are you Henry.

K: Fine.

F: I just finished talking with the President and he gave me his decision and we spent about an hour and twenty minutes over there. During the course of the conversation he indicated that you were the only one in the Cabinet when with whom he had shared his decision.

K: That is right.

F: I would hope we could get together sometime this afternoon at your convenience. I have no plans other than to start getting ready.

K: Would 3:00 suit you Mr. Vice President?

F: That would be fine, Henry. I would appreciate it very much and whatever your schedule is -- mine is totally flexible.

K: After the President talked to me yesterday I prepared some tentative suggestions for your consideration. Might I bring those along?

F: Absolutely.

K: They are things that need to be done in the next two days.

F: I will be delighted to see you and bring anything along that you want, Henry.

K: Right. One other technical thing. Can we say to the press that I am coming over to see you or had you rather announce that? It is not particularly necessary. We can just avoid it all together.

F: I see no reason why you can't say that you are coming over to see me. I see no harm in that.

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K: We would not say anything else.

F: I think it important actually that it be announced -- so announce it, Henry.

K: I think from the foreign policy point of view it would have a calming effect.

F: Why don't you state it or have it released and in anyway that you think would be helpful. Don't hesitate to embellish it.

K: I think the best thing, if you agree, is to say you have called me and you have asked me to come to see you and I am coming to see you at 3:00.

F: Very good, Henry.

K: I pray for you and you know the whole world depends on you, Mr. VP.

F: I know that Henry and I will talk to you more about it. As I have inferred in our previous conversations, I really want you to stay and stand with me in these difficult times.

K: You can count on me, Mr. VP. We will have a chance to talk about it.

F: I wanted to get that in now so there is no doubt about it.

K: I am very, very appreciative of your thoughtfulness in mentioning it.

F: We will see you at 3:00 then.

K: O.K. Fine.

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Sec. Weinberger/Sec. Kissinger

12:50 p.m., August 8, 1974

W: I am contemplating a short statement if the occasion arises. I would like to know what you think. I would place my services entirely at the disposal of the new President to do whatever he thinks would be helpful. I would leave it entirely in his hands. Some people have been calling and saying are you resigning with the President? I have not responded to that. That would be the general tone of what I would say. Do you have any feeling if that is the proper way to do that.

K: I am not saying anything.

W: This would be much later in the day. It would be later. These inquiries continue to come in. The thrust of the inquiries are, are you going to leave with the President.

K: I think it appropriate to point out that you are at the disposal of the new President so that you are not giving the impression that you are walking out.

W: Exactly. I don't want to give the impression that I am trying to hold on to my place but also that I am not just walking away with him. My services, for whatever they are worth, are at the disposal of the new President for as long as he wishes. I am trying to convey the impression that -- for example I think Ziegler would go at the same time and that is another category.

K: I think that is right.

W: I would not issue anything--would just have it ready. I wanted to check with you and I appreciate your advice.

K: I think it the right thing to do.

W: It is absolutely tragic.

K: It is heart breaking.

W: I think your statement on the Cabinet was extraordinary -- a very eloquent statement.

K: Thank you. I appreciate that. I have always enjoyed working with you.

W: Thank you.

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