The Prime Minister's Office
The State Department
Papers of the National Archives

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

TELECON

Ivan Head/Mr. Kissinger

12:05 p.m., February 9, 1972

By: K.H. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

H: Thank you for returning my call. There were two points that the Prime Minister asked me to relay to you and, in your wisdom, you could relay to the President. First, we have taken a decision to recognize the Bangladesh on Monday of next week. We have held off in doing so for two reasons: (1) we thought it might have some influence on Bhutto's remaining in the Commonwealth, and (2) we were anxious to know whether some major Asian nation would recognize them -- we understand now that Japan may. Further, the agreement reached by Mrs. Gandhi and the Sheikh has removed the barrier.

K: We understand -- not that it makes any difference, but this is a reasonable position.

H: We were anxious to hold back. The Prime Minister was reluctant to move quickly.

K: We understand that.

H: The real reason I am calling at the Prime Minister's instruction is with respect to information coming to us on an anticipated trade package with you. The information we have from Washington through the Embassy is that our proposals are not acceptable to you. The Prime Minister is anxious that you know we cannot do better than this at this time. It is a political matter in Canada -- we are into what is very likely an election year -- but earlier than yours. This thing is so delicate in areas of great importance to Canada. If it is thought, therefore, that a better deal or offer can be forthcoming from Canada, it is not so. We have gone as far as we can. Secondly -- and this is on a personal basis -- there is a feeling here among some of the Ministers that the opportunity to take these safeguards off should have been grabbed 1-1/2 years ago; it was an unfortunate passage of time by us. We should have done it at that time. That means then, in my assessment of the situation, that when the election is out of our way, we will be able to do it. This government depends heavily on support in the highly industrialized areas of southern Ottawa.

K: May I tell this to the President?

H: Yes.

K: Could I put it on the basis that you believe you can do better after the election? I recognize we can't take you to court over that.

H: The reason is totally political.

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By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/13/64

K: May I mention it to Connally?

H: If you would, please. But I leave it to your judgment.

K: You want us to say the thing has not broken down, but with the proviso you will do better after the election.

H: There are two concerns: (1) XIXIXIXIXIXX There is some belief on the part of some persons such as Connally that you will get a better agreement. That is not possible. (2) We are worried, of course, that all of those who have something to say in Washington will say to the press that it is much more serious.

K: As you know, none of our people ever leak. You are calling me at a good moment because I will be lunching with Connally and I will see what I can do.

H: I am just back from Africa -- I am so secret a secret agent. I saw your face all over the African newsstands.

K: Really? I knew I was big in India but I didn't know about Africa.

H: Yes -- on TIME and NEWSWEEK. Things may be a little softer on Rhodesia. I went on behalf of the Prime Minister -- we wanted to know how the Rhodesia thing could be solved. There was a unanimous view that use of force is a non-starter. No one will advocate that any more.

K: That's encouraging.

H: Secondly, the attitude among a couple of African leaders is the entire Commonwealth may not be to blame -- that it is totally a British problem. It is largely a prestigious thing. They distrust Smith. Cosmetically we are better off.

K: That is good to know. I will try to call you tomorrow. I will talk to the President and immediately to Connally. I will in any case talk to you tomorrow.

lds

The President of the Open House
14th Annual Report of a Residential
Pension Plan Fund

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: KVL NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM
President/Kissinger
5:02 p.m. 2/9/72

P: I had just a few little things on the briefing book. Is this a good time?

K: Absolutely. for the conference?

P: At 4:00 tomorrow. With regard to opening statements ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
very sharply limit that for a technical story. Hopes for trip and history of
journey for briefing I give in Hawaii. Don't have enough for there and don't want
them to push me into discussions there.

K: Stay away from substance, both places, because Chinese interpret as
bringing pressure on them.

P: Stuff being prepared. I won't go into that. Hopes of trip.

K: General hopes are fine. Save for Hawaii.

P: Hope of trip on agenda thing, I think we should save for Hawaii. The talks
with leaders will be more open then others I have. Save that.

K: Definitely save that.

P: VN peace plan. Don't want to say that.

K: I would recommend that -- if recommended to you it's a mistake. That you shouldn't say. They are psychopathic on the problem of VN. I have said we will not discuss other people's problems.

P: That's in here. Matter of prisoners. Chinese prisoners.

K: Keep that low key. The technical thing -- one thing Chinese are eager for is that we not give times for security reasons.

P: Not in here. Announce that addx on later days. Release itinerary on 14th but very flexible. We will limit this to technical details, that official parties will be announced. Announce itinerary on Monday. Say something about Mrs. Nixon's role. Talks come first.

K: Say that you have read hundreds of pages of transcripts.

P: A lot of preparation and I will study on the plane. And mention the Malraux thing. Leave out hopes of the trip but leave it for one sentence at the end. Or save it all.

K: A x Save it for Hawaii.

September 2, 1971, 11:00am

U.K. Prime Minister's Office

P.M. Office of the Prime Minister

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By: K.L.Y. NARA. Date: 5/12/71

P: Give them that in Hawaii so we don't go into agenda talk.

K: Some Q&As I didn't see. They recommend you say we will considering recognizing of Bangla Desh at appropriate time.

P: That was a question I had for you.

K: Say we are studying it. You are in better shape.

P: They worked this up while you were on a couple of other things. Does U.S. consider Taiwan a province of China or independent nation? Say there's a one-China policy. ______ of Republic of China. They both say that. It's not for U.S. to decide.

K: Fits with what might come out in communique.

P: We have already said --

K: As world report says we will maintain defense commitments. Don't say unless hit head on.

P: Say covered in World Report and will not cover it here. On World Report don't you cover Inidia - Pakistan?

K: Yes. Star has a favorable article on that. Front page and two pages inside. Very favorable stories.

P: Good/ That's fine. Star does well by us in foreign policy field. On India/ Pakistan there are a number of questions didn't we do this and that. I will say covered in World Report and I will stand with that. They will bring up Bangla Desh. I will say we are studying that at the present time.

K: They may ask you -- today they asked about evidence.

P: I will say Dr. Kissinger covered that yesterday.

K: We had conclusive evidence.

P: It's in the World Report. What about the statement that India vs. Pakistan -- No -- India planned to attack.

K: And you should say we have conclusive evidence and will not discuss because of compromise.

Heg, 10.3.70, the copy in
the, Sen. or Pres.秘書室
PRESIDENT'S OFFICE

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW

NASHA, Date

5/12/72

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P: I will say you said it yesterday. Rattle these cannons.

K: If you say it too often there is a slight problem. You can say it.

P: On the World Report if they ask about US negotiations, what really went on, I will say Dr. Kissinger covered that with you gentleman and I will stand by that. Unless there is a point we want to get across. No need to raise it.

K: Sequence was that in August we made a purely military proposal.

P: Only time we were separated was in May. I will say you covered all that. The more I can do that, the better. That's covered. I will now and then put something out so they will know what I am doing. On the Rogers/Thieu business, we want to cool that.

K: Bunker says it's a terrible problem for Thieu to see date of resignation is flexible for US. and ??/???. We have always said that these were Thieu's ideas and we have been following Thieu's lead.

P: You have cabled Thieu.

K: Yes. They will riot if they think he is out of power. Initiative moves from his side and handled in close concert with him. Vocal support to him.

P: Doesn't help over here. We have to save him. On Irish thing, what can we say? It's reaching awful far. Did you cover it in the World Report?

K: No.

P: I wish you had. None of our business. Can I say that?

K: It's true but don't know.

P: Say we discussed matter with Heath and Lynch and we cannot interfere in this matter but glad to be of assistance if we are asked to.

K: By all parties concerned. That goes the limit.

P: If all parties think we can be helpful we will try. Will it exacerbate the Irish - British agony?

K: It's a bad news loser.

P: Internationally but a winner domestically. But I will not take it on. The Irish are wrong.

It is known to the best of all the other public officials in the city that a commercial Republican candidate for President has been selected.

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K: It's asking for minority rule. Protestants in control there.

P: Glad you are getting it out. When did you give it to them?

K: Monday. Briefed 15mins. yesterday and half an hour today. Two pages of Star and 2 pages inside.

P: It's a great story for them. They can jump the Post.

K: The Post and the Times will have to give it a lot of play.

P: The Times has to.

K: It will be interesting to see what they do with it. You will get some questions on the report.

P: I will say that Dr. K Kissinger briefed on this. I will fuzz it. I will dance on that if I don't know the answer. I have not talked about it. (I haven't read it.)

K: You have talked with me and there's nothing in there that we have not talked about so if you state your convictions you will be in framework of report.

P: I will be very hard line on the flap on Haldeman thing. I have finished it today.

K: What you said on my speech was thing to say.

P: I will not say it again. They were trying to blow something up. Want to keep front and center the fact that Democratic candidates when they do make offers they go beyond what we offered they prolong the war. Crosby Noyes news summary was superb. And Alsop/ Can't let them off the hook. I think your friend Muskie -- Lake advising him still?

K: He hasn't advised him right yet.

P: Trying to stay in ? ? ? .

K: Onnally thinks the Democrats in bad shape. If election today you would win overwhelmingly. He would tell me more candidly then you.

P: He is going to Fla. with me. Get him rested up. He is tired. Go over anything in substance?

K: Give him a run through on communique. Thinks' it's outstanding. Except on Formosa feels we have to talk with them.

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DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/13/84

President/Kissinger

5:02 p.m.

2/9/72

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P: We do but it will be tough.

K: He was amazed that we got this much. Talked to him about Pompidou letter for which he is drafting a reply. Discussing Canadian problem.

P: Hope you take his line. He feels strongly about it.

K: I said I thought we couldn't get out of Canadian trip. He wanted to cancel.

P: He wanted to tell Congress that there's nothing happening. State wants to say there's hope. I told him to be truthful.

K: I agree with that. I told him of my conversation with Head. That issue need not arise.

P: He is very antagonistic towards State. He feels they are trying to screw monetary. They are ? ? ?. It's their job so we must lean the other way.

K: I didn't debate it with him.

P: Discuss it with Flanagan, will you?

K: Yes.

H. W. SHERMAN
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DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12/93, Sept. 3.6

TELCONE
Kandy Stroud/Kissinger
5:57 p.m. 2.9/72

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/94

K: Thanks for dinner last night.

S: My pleasure. We hear you went on to Nicholas and Alexandra and followed around.

K: Sam Speigal insisted.

S: Wanted to assure you that anything said in this house is off the record. But the story about the film I will use because I heard it elsewhere. You will see it.

K: What is it?

S: You don't go to moview regularly but there's a Chinese film and [after your first visit you asked for it and they gave you one when you went back and then you asked for the films from your second visit and they gave them to you through Haig. (HAK had to correct her in part and she said she would correct the article.)]

We had lunch with Bill Safire today. He suggested we try Capitol Cities Broadcasting which is Annenberg's. We do all the broadcasting for southern radio and TV.

don't

K: Why didn't you mention it?

S: I thought you would.

K: I can't take the initiative.

S: I will Can I say I discussed it with you?

K: Say I said to get in touch with Zeigler.

S: Thanks for everything. Everyone was enchanted with you. You have made a lot of friends in this life.

The President's Office in the
State House of Illinois
Reproducible Copy

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Chuck Mullenhoff

February 8, 1972 7:05 p.m.

CM: ... on the Anderson papers. That's one thing I didn't agree with you--you should never have challenged him.

HAK: I didn't really think I was challenging him--you are basically right.

CM: He did take the opportunity to open it up. I have the book called Pentagon Papers which you have read in the initial version.

HAK: Your book?

CM: Yes. I have a new version in paperback. I think it is helpful as anything you will find this year to see! anthing you want to sell. The last four chapters were added to this book. I will send you a copy. I know these are things you don't get into very often.

HAK: I'd love to see it.

CM: It will be on its way over shortly.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

The position of the press conference
at the Base, and at the command
Reproducible Data?

TELCOM
Scali/Kissinger

early morning 2/9/72

K: I wanted to check with you what I should be aware of at the press conference at 10:00/

S: Let me think about it a moment.

K: And drop over. It's on the world report.

S: On the record?

K: Yes. They can turn it into a general foreign policy briefing because that is what it governs.

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The President's Office in Chicago
The White House
The Capitol
The Capitol Building

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: K.H.V

NASA Date 5/12/72

F. Mankiewicz/Kissinger

9:33 a.m.

2/10/72

I don't consider myself at loggerheads with him.

M: He has been provost for a year and now made president. You can reach him through the President's office. we are giving a party for Steve.

K: When? If you ask me and if nothing overwhelming --

M: We will ask you. What is the schedule for the trip to Moscow?

K: End of May.

M: Between China and Moscow you will be here?

K: Most of the time.

M: Sometime between end and middle of March.

K: And I am hoping for a vacation towards the end.

M: We have primaries in mid-March but we will work it out. There's a Peking, Illinois, and we thought we would put the governor there at that time. Some will gather at the Peking restaurant while you are gone.

K: You will get that date line no matter what.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sec. 3.5

By: KHLW
NASC. Date: 5/13/72

TELCON
Marshall Green/Kissinger

10:13 a.m. 2/10/72

K: I have suggested and I don't know if you know that we need to meet tomorrow with the same people on China. What I would like particularly to get into our heads is one, I have asked that State prepared a paragraph on exchanges and one on trade that could go into a communique. Secondly, if asked what that means - it should be general -- we should know what the next 3 steps should be. If we say scientific and cultural exchange between countries and someone says what does that mean. We should know what it means.

G: Not in the communique but follow-up in response.

K: So we can tell the press what comes next.

G: We will get two paragraphs and also what we say in explanation afterwards. What time tomorrow?

K: I don't know. In the morning sometime.

G: I don't want to do that. I press you on some point.

K: I want you to do it. I think Holdridge should come along with you if you agree. That's been approved.

G: I will have to start getting telegrams out.

K: Can you wait until tomorrow?

G: I can. We can talk about it then.

The President's Office has been opened to the press, and the press are now free to comment on all official statements.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCOM
Scali/Kissinger

10:16 a.m.

2/10/72

S: We are allowing ABC to shoot silently the 15 members of the official party to be used after the announcement. We would like to shoot you today with Holdridge or Lord. Would like to do it today. When today and under what circumstances?

K: What do you think best?

S: You with Holdridge and Lord. In your office. Will you set a time? They are beginning at 10:30. Can do it anytime.

K: 11:45. I have been seeing on TV a lot of stuff that the President is reading briefing books prepared by State.

S: I haven't done that. I talked with Al Haig last night about some material they want to tell reporters about the enormous quantity of stuff the President is reading.

K: That's fine. It's fine. As far as Chinese leaders are concerned I am the guy they trust after the President. I should be included in that stuff. Don't want to knock State but keep that in mind.

S: Better for international purposes -- we want some shots of the President. Would it be better if you are with the President, talking?

K: Wouldn't hurt.

S: Would have to fit in today.

K: They wouldn't see that so much. I am concerned about stuff in newspapers.

S: I have asked Al Haig to get together paragraphs on stuff and I will make it clear that coming through you.

K: After March 1 I don't care what building up of State they do. But until the China trip -- that McGovern thing is playing beautifully. It's a Scali 10 strike.

S: Of course it is.

K: Mankiewicz called and said temperture is down all over the country.

S: Let's go with this 11:45.

Re: [REDACTED] Phone: 202-684-9112
Date: 2/10/72
Priority: Very High

By: KHLW NARA, Data: 5/13/72

TELCOM
Adm. Zumwalt/Kissinger
10:24 a.m. 2/10/72

Z: Read the foreign policy statement last night. Brilliantly written document and testament to ourix brilliantly conducted foreign policy.

K: I appreciate that very much.

Z: Keep up the good work.

K: Hope to see you when I am back from China. Thanks for calling.

H. O. Deaton, III, the son of a former U.S. Marine Corps officer.

TELCOM
Ivan Head/Kissinger
10:25 a.m 2/10/72

By: K.H. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

As K: I have talked to some of our people here, I know the issue has become a little emotional.

H: Quite.

K: No way of stopping a statement that we have not come to an agreement.

H: That was made last night.

K: But can stop leaks about our nature of disagreements. If you can keep your people quiet and I have talked with Flanigan and we will use our influence to keep our people under control and Connally also agreed to that.

H: We have made a statement that it depends on how its measured. If we go back it can be said there's a deficit to our account. We can close it off from here in. That was necessary after statement last night.

K: We will move energetically after your election.

H: Thank you very much.

K: I have demonstrated over recent months that I can not stop all leaks.

H: You have so many crawlers and Canadian newsmen that it gets out.

K: You have less of a phobia of these crawlers than I. I don't mean you and the Canadians.

H: Japan has recognized Bangladesh and we are following through on Monday.

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OCLASSIFICO
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The following are the employees of the company:
Ray Price as a sales representative
and
Kissinger

TELCON
Ray Price/Kissinger

10:52 a.m.

2/10/72

K: I understand your shop is working on some of the toasts and things for China. Let me make some points to you.

P: Buchanan is working on them.

K: You are in charge?

P: Yes and no. I am not sure I will be in on that. He works independently of our shop now.

K: I don't want it to be cute. They are serious people. The first few have to be serious. Do you think Buchanan is capable of that? I was hoping for a Ray Price product.

P: He is good. With careful direction on policy it will work well. The person who is going generally works on them in case something comes up while he is over there.

K: I will talk with him.

Re: phone call to the open lab
the name of the mutual
President's Mail?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

TELCOM
Frank Giles/Kissinger

11:32 a.m.

2/10/72

G: Busy, I dare say.

K: Busy but normal.

That suggestion

G: They suggest that we meet in NY would suit me fine. You would be more relaxed.

K: When will you be there?

G: Sat. afternoon and leaving Tues. morning.

K: Could do it Sun. later afternoon for a drink.

G: Shall I give you my phone number? PL 3-6722. Mrs. Ryan is my hostess.
She would like you and would like to have you come to there.

K: Where do they live?

G: 450 E. 52nd St.

K: Let's aim for that late Sun. If that's difficult I will arrange something here with you tomorrow.

G: Look forward to our meeting.

DECLASSIFICO
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

The president has the power to make plays and to appoint a caretaker if he is unable to do so.

TELCON
President/Kissinger
11:35 a.m. 2/10/72

6/21/72 NASHA DATE 5/13/74

P: You got a good play, didn't you think?

K: The World Report got an excellent play. The editorial comment fix is gruding but favorable.

P: I read the news summary.

K: Major coverage on every newspaper. Post and Times are good. A few nitpicks about MIRVS.

P: And doing something different in India. That's all right. We don't claim perfection.

K: One thing that happened today is that Thieu has blown at Rogers and said this is his last concession. Bunker was upset about it. You said in your speech that you are repeating something he offered. For us to say we are flexible stands him as a stooge in his govt. and to say ? ? ? caretaker govt. where plans are laid and in your speech makes it look like a tool. And ? ? ? ? ? is a hell of a problem. Even though our opponents won't like it, it would be better if you said something warm about him. Just duck the Rogers point.

P: Point they will stress is are we flexible.

K: We are generally agreed on our total plan. On political issue on political structure of SVN they play leading role. Up to now have been conciliatory and farsighted. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . We will not collude with the enemy to over-throw our friends.

P: That's repeating what I said previously.

K: He needs it as much as he needed it last Sept. You turned off the heat last year. If his oppoenents smell blood they will riot.

P: What is the problem with Roger's statement?

K: To say we are flexible about Thieu's resignation and about make-up of govt. between his office and election is that he is our stooge and caretaker govt. is in hands of Senate. It's not negotiable.

P: What about make-up of govt. ?

K: Where we have been very careful in setting it as coming from Thieu. We know we invented it but Rogers put it in that his ______ is entirely an American decision.

P: I see.

Hanoi, Vietnam, September 2, 1976

Receptionist's Report?

By: KHL V. NARA, Date: 5/12/76

TELCOM
President/Kissinger
11:35 a.m. 2/10/72

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K: If in SVN they get the idea we are ready to throw him to the wolves everyone will jockey his position and we will have domestic turmoil that started last Sept. He has said this is his last concession. No one can say anything about the SVN political future without him. Invasion of SVN sovereignty. We have gotten one concession after another from him by making it sound like he made it.

P: That was the subtle change in the speech. Rogers is reacting to the fact that domestic opponents here will come in on him and not the govt. in SVN. I made the change in the drafts and said govt. of SVN and not Thieu. That's important to say. We are doing everything according to what he wants.

K: That's a point you might consider making -- just have a backchannel in here. That's just repetition.

P: We know the problems.

K: This is a secret channel where he spoke to some of his own people and was very tough. It shows how insecure his own position is. The fact that he will resign is a tremendous step and then for us to say we are flexible when the other side refused it makes it the cat among the pigeons.

P: What if they mention Rogers?

K: Say he put it in perspective. When he said we work (?) he meant it would be done in the same manner as everything in close confrontation with govt. of SVN. Has principle responsibility. If we duck it then I think his domestic situation will become tough and that's even worse here.

P: Sure. That's what they want.

K: Otherwise I think things are going along. The foreign reaction is very good. Soviets have made a mild commentary. The Indians, considering how we are castigating them, haven't hit the historical part at all.

P: They know it's true. They will need us eventually. I think our friends on the other side -- particularly Muskie -- who is forced to the left, have a problem and will try to get off by jumping on Thieu thing. You can criticize conduct of war but difficult to criticize search for peace.

K: I don't think you should be drawn into discussion of individual items of the peace plan. I will negotiate with VN and not American press.

P: Don't worry. I always say that.

K: Stick with that. When Hanoi wants a clarification they know where to get it. Publicly or privately.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

Re: [Subject to change] The president's report to the
advisory board of the presidential press conference
Transcript of oral history

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By: JMLV
NASA Date: 5/12/04

P: I wonder about saying ? ? ? ? ?.

K: If you are uncomfortable in going that far, forget it. We say our record is clear, we have made concessions. Let others respond.

P: It's true too. I had planned to take a hard line on that and give a short shift to other peace plans. I will say each candidate for President has a plan and there are 11 candidates.

K: That's a good line. I saw McCloskey on TV saying that last summer we turned down proposal that would have ended the war. If they drive us too hard we will show the record.

P: Always insisted on political conditions.

K: We are safe as humanly possible.

P: As you pointed out, poor Muskie has egg on his face for POW for withdrawal they have turned down flat.

K: I would make that point.

P: That Crosby Noyes column you have to read again. It's something.

K: I read it this morning.

P: Govt. of SVN after we have withdrawal they make deal with the enemy. And the enemy continues to have support from their allies.

K: And over one billion in aid from Soviet Union.

P: Don't want to get into deal where Nixon attacks Muskie plan.

K: If they ask about last summer say it is the same as what they are saying this year. They insist on political overthrow of SVN govt. Either directly or indirectly.

P: That's good. I will take Connally to Fla. He is fatigued. He is burned up at A. Burns, and State and Peterson. He feels they are sabotaging them and they may. He is so much better than they.

K: It will be a hectic two weeks.

P: I understand the Rogers are going on the plane but not with us. They are going for a vacation in Key Biscayne. Want this to be a domestic policy weekend. Connally and Ehrlichman are going for working. Next week except for Malraux we are keeping it clear and take off Thurs.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

The president's office has received a copy of the report of the subcommittee on Federal Funds and its commercial subsidiary, National Savings Bank.

By: KH.V NASA Date: 5/13/84

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K: We are in good shape on the meeting. And assessment of our whole situation will color their strategy for rest of year. Get no appeal to radical groups here.

P: That's the kind of memo that is helpful. These things never come up in a way that's prepared.

K: Better to have it in mind.

P: And then you can fit it in their patterns.

K: I have started each briefing book with an analysis of how they see the problems.

P: We are in a good position as to criticism of whole business. I am glad I put it in radio statment yesterday. Let others say what they want.

K: That's in the right perspective.

It is known that the person listed in
the box is a male, but the name is not
exactly what he says.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12930, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM
Rogers/Kissinger

11:57 a.m.

2/10/72

By: K.H. W. NASA Date: 5/13/04

R: On this aerostat discussion.

K: How were you on the phone first?

R: I talked with Peter Flanigan. I think it's bad to put out a decision that's negative. We have done a refer (endum, al?).

K: What would you like to do? I am uneasy about it.

R: Dobrynin says he didn't understand your country. Stans comes over and says *people over and then they say none of it counts and he will tell us unofficially* that they had no authority to do what they have done.

K: It's Gibson who signed an agreement.

R: We are looking silly. We have had several international meetings where Schaeffer went and indicated something along this line. Heath gave us a special note and Germans. If we say no when 18 nations have accepted it, I think we should say no but, and see if there's something else we can persuade.

K: Opponents say it's a significant transfer of technology without anything in return.

R: Ed David doesn't agree with that. I think we should get together and discuss it.

K: Who?

R: Those primarily concerned. Peter will try to set up a meeting. On the decision I will not try to do anything until after the meeting.

K: I think after the meeting we should decide where to go.

R: I am going to Fla. with the President. I would like to take verbatim discussions with Chou En-lai.

K: I think the President has them. I gave him the book.

R: I can read those then.

he doesn't

K: If he doesn't have them now I will have them on the plane.

R: If he doesn't want them, I would like to read them.

Hawaii's State Press Release
Published Today

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V.

NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCON
President/Kissinger
1:52 p.m. 2/10/72

P: I noted your comment to Buchanan about breifing in Hawaii. Let me tell you what I had in mind.

K: I don't think we should announce it today.

P: I don't want to answer questions on substance. What I plan in Hawaii is not Q&A but only to state something. Then you don't get into what about Taiwan, or Russian or trade. I will say I will brief the press later on this. That's the trouble with this long memo on the trip. It's a disaster to go into that. Take some stuff out, particularly high level. I plan not to get into substance. I am aware we must avoid that. I will just say I will brief you and then we can act. I will say I will not answer but brief the press later. I am getting it that to be able to say today I will not answer questions on substance and brief later.

K: On substance of trip.

P: Questions they want to get into. Normal ones. I will not tell them about it any time. Don't want questions because failing to answer questions can mean problems. In Guam I answer 2-3 questions but none in Hawaii.

K: My questions concerned your use of your time. If you announce press conference today or meeting with press, you will be committed to it and I thought you might decide on trip out that you will want nothing on the agenda and only concentrate on China.

P: Only problem is device of not answering questions today.

K: If you meet with the press your mind will go to that and you might want to concentrate --

P: I will not take much time on that. I will take basic material here.

K: I didn't realize you were not going to answer questions. The Chinese don't want us to release an itinerary. They are psychopathic on the issue of letting out agenda items.

P: I will not answer questions on that today either.

K: So avoid that, dealing with that next week. Then they will wonder what you will do when you approach us. The announcement of meeting in Hawaii has to do entirely with what you want on your schedule.

P: I was thinking of it as a device of not getting into anything now.

OECIASSIFIED

E.O 12958, Sec. 3.5

By: KMLW HAFIA Date: 5/12/04

Re: Kissinger's meeting with the Pres. of China, and the communiqué from the White House.

President/Kissinger

1:52 p.m. 2/10/72

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K: The Chinese would appreciate your saying today that agenda items will not be discussed today but in communique when we finish.

P: That's a good answer.

K: If you leave it open today you will say it in Hawaii in the know and they will start governing themselves to reassure Hanoi. Press wants China to be a success and they will not look for trouble. We confine to bilateral relations.

P: I won't say that. You open the subject. I will not discuss agenda. We have an agreement not to discuss the advance.

K: Chinese will be grateful for that. If you are deiced to do that in *Hawaii* then that's that. But it might be a pleasant day and you will decide not to. They will not harass you on China.

P: Agenda doesn't concern me a bit.

K: The more mysterious the better.

The President's Office of the Vice President for Academic Affairs

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: KMLW NWSA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM
Atty. General/Kissinger
2:10 p.m. 2/10/72

AG: Pappas and apparently Tasca have been pushing to see the patriarch.

K: Where?

AG: Turkey. I understand it's been in your shop for some time. Tasca and Pappas. Just across the Bosperus.

K: I will look into it.

AG: I thought your place was handling it. He thinks someone there is handling it and a fixx big political move.

K: I will check it out and let you know tomorrow.

AG: Can you quiet Thieu done?

K: If we quiet our Secy. of State down. Thieu makes a tremendous concession and we say he will make another before the first is answered. The President will have a press conference this afternoon.

AG: Thieu has no problem with the President.

K: And he said that.

A report on the results of a study of the effects of combined psychological and physical stress on the circadian rhythm of the sleep/wake cycle.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCONE

Rowland Evans/Kissinger

4:20 p.m. 2/10/72

E: I know why you are calling me. You want some of my phone numbers in Peking.

K: You are so totally useless to me in this respect.

E: Thank your lucky stars.

K: I suppose it is because you call Nancy Maginnes baby that she is so anxious to see you.

E: great! What time?

K: 1:00. We will meet you anywhere so long as she can wear pants.

E: Giovanni's. 55th st. Block and a half east of St. Regis.

K: In the phone book?

E: David Rockefeller eats there.

K: The only reason she doesn't bop you when you call her baby is because I am there. Do they let girls in in pants?

E: If there's a problem there I will call you but I am sure it's fine. See you at 1:00 at Giovanni's.

K: Look forward to it.

Re: phone call with film negative to
get day, time of call, and time of return
(Prepared by me)

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

By: KML NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM
SecGen Waldheim/Kissinger
4:37 p.m. 2/10/72

W: I am sorry that when I was in Washington I didn't have a chance to talk with you in the meeting.

K: I had to leave early.

W: I would have liked to have discussed a few matters with you. I hear you are coming to NY so I wonder if we can get together for a few mins. I heard at luncheon given by Mayor Lindsay that you are coming tomorrow.

K: I am coming for dinner that Gov. Rockefeller is giving for you. I am coming just before the dinner.

W: I hope I will be able to invite you to a lunch or dinner when you are next in NY. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow evening at Gov. Rockefeller's.

K: I appreciate this and look forward to taking advantage of it.

Department of Defense
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Army
U.S. Navy
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Navy
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Army
U.S. Navy
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Air Force

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

TELCOM
Haldeman/Kissinger
6:33 p.m. 2/10/72

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/13/74

H: ON NSC. He wants to know if it's something we have to have.

K: No.

H: We can do without it?

K: Rogers wants to discuss India/Pakistan. It will clutter up the President's mind. We will do it when we get back.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

Re: phone tree and the report back to
the base, and if possible, the
Posterscript please?

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/04

Telecon
Ron Ziegler/Mr. Kissinger
2/10/72; 7:10 p.m.

K: Are you where you can talk?

Z: Yes.

K: Both Al and I think this is a total disaster. Of course your people are going to tell me it is not a disaster. Six months of trying to establish ourselves reliable . . . We can improve it. I believe it is very important. If we said "I believed" where he is talking about 25 years as far as India is concerned instead of "I believe" -- it is very important.

Z: Have Al make sure he goes to my office and make sure the transcript has not been handed out.

K: At the end I would like to say "were involved". Okay, I will have Al do it. You are sure it is okay.

Z: Yes.

The New York Times and The Times
of London, and The Times
of Paris

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

Telecon

Mr. Kissinger/Margaret Jay

2/10/72; 7:20 p.m.

J: If I write you a letter, would that be well received?

K: It would be well received.

J: Can I just ask you one more thing? It's about the movie that was made of you while you were in China. Will it be released?

K: We may show it to our press corps on Monday afternoon.

J: Will you release it.

K: No, just show it to them so that they can identify some of the people. We may release it after we are in China. Ask Ziegler.

Jr: J: I can't ask Ziegler anything. But it is going to be shown perhaps
monday afternoon. Could I ask Ziegler about that.

K: No before Monday morning because you don't know about that.

J: I am enormously grateful to you for all the time you have taken out for me. We would like to do an interview with you later in the spring.

K: I will consider that.

J: With favor.

K: Yes.

J: Good. I hope your trip is a success.

H. W. S. T. of the U. S. Air Force

U. S. Air Force

U. S. Air Force

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3, 6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELCOM
Leo Cherne/Kissinger
11:50 a.m. 2/11/72

C: I received your thoughtful letter and will talk with Maury Williams. This is related. We have an indication from a nephew of Mujib that Mujib wants to come to the U.S. Would welcome an invitation from International Rescue Committee for a trip in 6-8 weeks.

K: Could you stall it a month.

C: Sure. Want to alert you because there are several voluntary agencies there who will be responsive to his interest. While we can stall it is not to say someone else -- one help would be setting a useful time period. He might then hold off.

K: Late April or May.

C: We would proceed not to make suggestion if they were doubtful.

K: Frankly, I would like to get back from China to see how feelings are there.

C: What I am concerned about in that respect is if we don't respond on --

K: Say late April. It would be a private trip anyhow.

H. G. W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States

TELECON

The President/Mr. Kissinger

12:00 n., February 11, 1972

P: Hi, Henry. How are you? Can you talk?

K: Yes, Mr. President.

P: How about our strike? Did it go off?

K: They still haven't gone off.

P: You read the newspapers and you would think we are doing everything. I thought that was a report on the strike.

K: That is a report on strikes in some other areas.

P: The weather is still bad?

K: Mr. President, this is the dry season. In three years, we have not ever gotten the strikes off on the day you wanted. It is now due to go tonight.

P: Understand I don't want to order them out if there is cloud-cover. Then they will come back and say we forced them. They understand that?

K: Absolutely, Mr. President. It is fully understood. That is why we are not pressing them.

P: We have their attention with the carriers.

K: They must be sweating blood.

P: I am leaving very shortly with Connally, Rebozo -- so I'll be out of communication.

K: Mr. President, let me check three things with you.

P: You can send messages but we can't talk on the open line there at Walker Cay.

K: (1) It may be a good idea to send Marshall Green and a member of my staff right after the trip -- they could get off at Anchorage -- to Japan, Korea, Taipei, Vietnam and Bangkok to brief people about what went on on the Peking trip.

P: Good.

The President of the Republic of the Philippines

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/74

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K: I talked to Marshall Green about it and he is enthusiastic.

P: How about Rogers?

K: Rogers is aboard.

P: Also, it gets them aboard. Add Indonesia, Thailand, Canberra, and New Zealand.

K: Right, Mr. President. (2) I have been working with the bureaucracy...

P: They should be told now, shouldn't they?

K: I am holding a cable for your approval of such a trip. I had the whole State Department trip team over to go over their books with them. I wanted to be sure they were briefing the Secretary the same as I am briefing you. Their morale is high -- I have had them over twice a week.

P: They should recognize they are participating in a historic event.

K: Their morale is great. I sent a silver tray to the State Department guy who went with me on my trip.

P: I think this idea is excellent

K: Good, Mr. President. We will get the cable out tonight.

(2) I have been working -- as I had discussed this with the bureaucracy for several months on what further easing of trade restrictions we can do with Communist China. Everybody agrees we should put it on the same level as the Soviet Union -- no better but the same level of restrictions. We would like to do this on Monday.

P: They become like COCOM?

K: We can't give them anything better... I think it would be a good thing if we would announce it on Monday. If you agree, we would like to do that.

P: All right. We will approve that.

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K: (3) To keep things in balance, we have the Soviet agricultural thing at a stage where we can tell the Soviets we are ready to proceed. I can tell Dobrynin Monday.

P: We wouldn't want to hold that?

K: This is just to begin negotiations. We are not making a deal -- just authorizing the negotiations.

P: I want to announce this in May.

K: We have seven agreements ~~all~~ ready for you to announce.

P: Okay. Tell him I take a positive view and now we want to ~~XXX~~ negotiate.

K: This only authorizes the beginning of negotiations. You can't announce it in May unless you announce commencement of negotiations now.

P: Who will conduct them?

K: There are three aspects: (1) the maritime aspect done by State; (2) the agricultural aspect done by Agriculture; and (3) it will all be under the close ~~XX~~ supervision of a working group here. You will get the credit.

P: Butz will play ball. But we better keep Commerce out of it.

K: They are out of it. (4) I sent a message to the Chinese telling them on India we are holding up any policy decision until you have a chance to talk to the Prime Minister. Our attitude is to pursue a policy parallel to theirs in the subcontinent. That will remove any slight problems.

P: Fine. Is Bunker still here?

K: He is leaving today. He is delighted.
the

P: Does he think/Thieu thing can be handled. Does he realize that was done solely for them? Domestically, it is not good for us here. The reason is our enemies will try to zero in. Thieu has to realize we are playing his game and he has to play our game.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V.

NARA. Okt. 5/12/04

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K: Our enemies were going to do it anyway. You have shown enormous loyalty.

P: It was the right thing to do. It tends to put down critics. They don't agree with what we are saying, but they have a hell of a time saying we don't have guts.

K: I saw Humphrey on television. He was taking on Muskie on the peace plan.

P: On what ground?

K: Humphrey won't interfere with the negotiations. He said Muskie has the right to his opinion, but...

P: Did he get in the connotation of not trying to undercut the negotiations?

K: He said, 'In 1968 I restrained myself, and I am not saying anything now.' He went as far in attacking Muskie without getting the peaceniks stirred up.

P: We have shot across the bow. Ron's view is the fellow pressing Muskie rather than Harriman is Clifford. It sounds like Clifford.

K: That is what I understand.

P: Clifford is notorious for misstating things. We certainly have it in their court. If they continue to press an offer which goes further than what we would offer, they have to take responsibility for the enemy not negotiating on our offer.

K: You have said it.

P: I put it very toughly yesterday.

K: Both Wednesday and yesterday.

P: If they say who can you trust... you can trust those who were silent when the war was escalating or those who are getting us out. He is in a hell of a spot here.

K: Humphrey is basically a decent guy -- though a weakling.

P: He is a decent man.

The New York Times and the open life of
the late Sen. Robert Kennedy
McDonnellENN

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.E

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Gov. Rockefeller

12:00 noon 2/11/72

HAK: I didn't know you were on the phone. I am sorry. My megalomania hasn't reached that point. I am very sorry I kept you hanging on the phone. I am sort of the father confessor to the Chinese in New York and their problem is that one of their men was poisoned by nicotine in his tea. Bush has talked to Murphy and who can we talk to about extra protection?

NR: In one-half hour I will be meeting with two of my top security people and I will consult with them on it--find out who the proper people are to talk to.

HAK: To increase their protection

NR: If the Federal government would pay for this

HAK: We are prepared to pay for it. We might have to do it out of special funds

NR: I think that I can help you on that. Did he die?

HAK: Yes. They have been very quiet about it.

NR: He died! Nicotine? I have heard of that--this is unfortunate. Henry, on another thing, I have giving an award to Mitchell--what is the inside on ITT? I would like to say that I know the President's former Attorney General would have never tolerated an impropriety such as this.

HAK: That would be very generous if you said it. I just don't know.

NR: Can I say that I am confident?

HAK: You can say you are confident and if your confidence is misplaced it isn't your fault.

NR: This morning's paper said that Anderson was testifying. They wanted his back up papers which he reported to have given to Ted Kennedy.

HAK: He is a low fellow.

The New York Times Union報社
the New York Times
Democratic Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

By: KHLW
HASL, Date: 5/12/04

NR: Is he close to some of the Democrats?

HAK: I don't think so--just suddenly got ______ and they are using him. He is a mormon and I have never met him. Before he attacked me, he was very meticulous about checking. Was good to see you last week.

NR: I have to talk to you about how we should move getting a good perspective.

HAK: You would be very helpful. We cannot do it here right now. If you do it, it is normal for you to do it.

NR: Right Henry, you are great.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

The President's Office is open 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. every Friday and Saturday.

6/11/72 KHLW NASA Date 5/12/72

TELCOM

President/Henry Kissinger

2/11/72 12:10 p.m.

RN: I still have one thing--a very subtle point, but it is important. Where Mansfield is concerned and Scott--will have to play the same line for them both to appear wide-eyed; Soviets no threat, but play pro-India. Not letting them in on what the Chinese are interested in. Mansfield is interested in other things--unilateral disarment. I don't intend to talk with them like I will talk to Meany. I don't want to give Mansfield a chance to come back and barter this thing.

HAK: Right. I think this is absolutely the line to pursue and we should let him pursue his natural inclinations. (Mansfield)

RN: Yes. Let's knock him off that course.

HAK: Right, Mr. President.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E12568
By LARA Date 6/1/72

*

TELCORN

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:10 p.m

2/11/72

D: I thought you were somewhere.

K: What?

D: I thought you are somewhere not in Washington.

K: The President is going fishing in Key Biscayne which is something I don't enjoy.

D: Deep sea?

K: In the Bahamas with Connally. It's deep sea fishing. They are discussing domestic politics which is not of overwhelming interest to me. I am going away in a few minutes and wanted to discuss the item we were discussing. On maritime talks we will instruct our people to give up request for north passage. You said problem of linkage and we will give it up. They don't know it yet.

D: They will not know from me because they are in Moscow.

K: You can tell your leadership. Those instructions will be going out today. On the answer we were discussing on trade, I wanted to understand the two items we have before us concerning lendlease and agricultural settlement.

D: Lendlease from your side.

K: Right. Agriculture is the big item.

D: Both interest. One we are going to ______ and second is not bad for you.

K: I want to know if there's any other item.

D: The Canadian business President has to decide ______ and second is ? ? ? .

K: I understand that. It doesn't have to be done *w* right away.

D: When we meet together. This is really as ______ possible.

K: If we can tell you that we are ready to proceed on discussion with respect to lendlease and agriculture.

D: If there's any -- I don't have it now. I will tell you on Tues. Or call you in 10 mins.

Amb. Dobyrnin/Kissinger

4:10 p.m. 2/11/72

K: Please do that. We are moving in the direction of those 2 items. I don't want to leave out anything you want an answer to.

D: I will call in 10 mins.

K: In addition to substance on Tues. I will go over a list of subjects we think will be ready at the time of the summit so it is the same list you have. Is that all right?

D: Definitely. I will call in 10 mins.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: E101258
By: CNARA Date: 2/11/72
Text: K: Please do that. We are moving in the direction of those 2 items. I don't want to leave out anything you want an answer to.
D: I will call in 10 mins.
K: In addition to substance on Tues. I will go over a list of subjects we think will be ready at the time of the summit so it is the same list you have. Is that all right?
D: Definitely. I will call in 10 mins.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOLASER
By CHNARA Date 5/1/72

TELCON
Dobrynin/Kissinger
4:51 p.m. 2/11/72

DL This matter was so messed up I couldn't tell you immediately. It was an issue in our negotiations but unexpected stop of their negotiations. They discussed around 10 questions. Credit, lendlease, and Soviet purchasing commission in NY, participation of American companies of building big objects and joint exploration of things like oil in my country. General discussion. We proposed to have a contract for 5-6 years for each year, 2-3 million tons of feedgrain as credit given. Then arbitration in case of arguement.

K: Of food stuff?

D: In general. Want kinds of agreement on these things. We would claim for separate point. Then you propose here representation of American countries in Moscow and we agree if each country has trade with us. These are these issues. To sum up we think when they went away they were of the impression of these items there was progress. One ______ more and one less and suddenly it was stopped ant they left rather puzzled.

K: The problem is that we know everyone of these items is under a different part of the bureaucracy. I am trying to see what we can move on now.

D: Well As you mentioned last time, you will mention negotiations will go on and you will send a team. Continual talks in March as you mentioned. As of now lendlease when we are asked we said we are prepared.

K: To get things moving we can authorise immediately, simply for reasons too boring to explain, we can authorize immediately and tell you now it will be authorized and a ______ of bureaucratic paper ______ the lendlease and ______ discussion. We will have a definite matter of how to proceed. It will be done in the others. It's a question of organization. Not a week after we are back and getting mission over to Moscow in end of March or early April.

D: Will you announce that you are going to send -- you cannot specify when it will be but it goes through my mind that this is what you are talking about and what terms you decide on a trade mission. For the others they will be cleared before others go to Moscow. All right?

K: On a very informal basis because I have not sent out instructions yet.

D: On our side no one will send out instrucitions yet. Very informal basis until more clear.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOLAST
By: CNARA Date: 09/01/72

Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:51 p.m.

2/11/72

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K: On those items we are prepared to proceed and the other ones to include
we will decide.

D: There will be a continuation on our talks and without mentioning particular
subjects and for exact subjects I will tell my govt. now that two points
already ? ? ? ?.

K: I will mention it to the President on Monday.

D: It's nothing. About the purchasing commission in NY. We will move into credit
business or no sense in talking about this. Most favored nation ? ? ? ??. When
you discuss with the President look on this.

K: On agricultural side it is easier then other for credit but we are approaching
in constructive attitude.

D: I look now on this matter. Research on continental shelf. Nothing to do
with shipping. Look at it. Northern passage and this time --

K: No sooner made one point then you have another.

D: What it has to do with the problem.

K: I thought we could get SALT limitation through you as part of ______
negotiation.

D: When will you be back?

K: Sun. night and seeing you on Tues. We will work out how we proceed.

D: I spoke today with a representative of State and he said --

K: You can handle with him second order issues.

D: On Tues. would like -- I have a reply on question you asked on the M.E.

K: Good.

D: Besides this thing we will see if we can get where we stand.

K: On second order, so we will be absolutely agreed where we are going. We
are agreed but --

D: I understand.

K: I will give you a letter.

Dobrynin/Kissinger

4:51 p.m.

2/11/72

D: On Sunday you are here?

K: No.

D: I was going to have you see the exhibition. They are closing on Monday.

K: Can we go Monday?

D: I don't know. I will see if they can give a special treatment. I will see if they can hold until Monday. No public on Monday. I will let you know Monday morning.

K: Good.

D: I invited you.

K: We were both very busy.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: ELLIOTT
By: CHNARA Date: 2/11/72
Text:

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F-12368
By CHARA Date 5-10-72

TELECON

Ambassador Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

5:10 p.m., February 11, 1972

D: I checked. The whole operation is dismantling there [Soviet exhibit at the Corcoran], but if you could come between 9:00 and 10:00 on Monday.

K: Shall we say 9:15?

D: I will give you a call at 9:00.

K: I have a breakfast at the Pentagon at 8:00, but I will see if I can make it 7:45. Where shall we meet?

D: I am prepared to do what you want.

K: Come to my office at 9:00 a.m. and we can walk over.

D: I will come to your office at 9:00.

lds

Receptionist's file open in
the Office of the Secretary
of Defense and Military
Operations

TELECON

Ambassador Debrynin/Mr. Kissinger

5:10 p. m., February 11, 1972

K: Shall we say 9:15?

K: Come to my office at 9:00 a. m. and we can walk over.

lde

H. W. Taft, Pres. of the Republic

President's Desk

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3-6

TELCONE
Atty. Gen. /Kissinger
5:20 p.m 2/11/72

By: KMLW NAFU Date: 5/12/04

K: I promised you an answer on the Greek matter. I have tried to run it down but don't seem to be able too. I will let you know Monday.

AG: Tasca and Pappas to see patriarch in Turkey.

K: Official request?

AG: That's what Pappas says. Al Haig talked with Pappas today about it. I have talked with Kennedy and he is ? ? ? ? ?.

K: His problems are with Connally. His problems are being worked out Wed.

AG: Afraid it will be spread all over the press.

K: He is coming back on Wed. from Mexico and seeing him then.

AG: He is carrying out President's wishes.

K: He has been a tower of strength.

AG: Some way of getting State and Connally to recognize these things.

K: State disagrees because he agrees with us and Connally.

AG: Because he is usurping his powers.

K: He has ceasarian tendencies.

AG: So I hear. If they are ______ they take it up the void.

K: Things happening now.

AG: Pappas and Kennedy.

K: Kennedy is taken care of.

AG: Thank you.

Re: phone call to Bill on 2/21/84

Date: 2/21/84

Subject: Re: Kissinger's trip to NY

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: K.H.Y. NAFU, Date: 5/12/84

TELCOM

Bernard Laskar/Kissinger

10:25 a.m. 2/14/72

L: Wanted to tell you I enjoyed being with you and listening to you the other
night.

K: It was fun.

L: Good luck on the trip. And I would like to go '21'ing with you next time
you are here. I bumped into Max Mike Sapperstein and he is a great rooter of
yours.

K: He is a great fellow. Where are you?

L: In NY. I have a stock brokerage firm.

K: Miss Maginnes thought you were going to Fla.

L: On Thurs. Back on the first. When are you back?

K: the 28th. I will call you when I am next in NY around the middle of March.
We will have dinner together.

L: Look forward to it.

H. E. Kissinger, the President of the United States of America

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Dave Kraslow
2/14/72; 7:00 p.m.

By: KHL

NARA. Data: 5/12/04

DK: Now that everybody else has secret information I thought I would try tonight.

HK: What are you talking about?

DK: The Hugh Sidey story -- the stuff he got from you that you wouldn't give me. Remember your note -- the note on flimsy paper which you got from your channel.

HK: Did he say flimsy paper?

DK: Yes and the President was having dinner and you called and said don't let the President go to bed until you saw him -- anyway, listen -- on the trade thing today, should we read too much into this thing? Is the timing of it of any special significance?

HK: No.

DK: No scenario which may become evident when the President arrives in China?

HK: No, we did this unilaterally.

DK: But you did it with the thought it would create a better atmosphere and climate, etc.

HK: Right. But it shouldn't look like we were blackmailed.

DK: You did it because you hope it would help with the talks?

HK: That's fair.

DK: On the State Dinner -- members of the press, technicians, etc. will be able to attend them?

HK: That would be the normal procedure.

DK: Did the Chinese insist on this?

HK: Knowing the President's love for the press, I don't see how you would think it was the Chinese. This is the normal procedure.

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12258, Sec. 3.5

Re: a phone call with a press conference
in New York City on March 3, 1972
Press conference Staff

2/14/72; 7:00 p.m.

- 2 -

By: KHL, V. NARA, Date: 5/13/04

DK: In a sense this is going to be a proletarian dinner.

HK: You know is has to be the lowest if the press is going.

DK: On the question of the Malraux interview in the NYTimes -- his statement about economic assistance. . .

HK: Let me give you my own judgment. The last thing these guys are going to ask us for is economic assistance. If there is an economic assistance agreement, I will tell you now that Henry Kissinger knows nothing about Chinese mentality.

DK: Not even credits to make purchases, etc.?

HK: Right.

DK: The President side-stepped it at the press conference.

HK: It was the first time we heard of it.

DK: And economic assistance would include credits -- the first time you heard of it?

HK: Yes.

DK: Am I going to be able to see you in Peking?

HK: You will see me at the dinners. I don't know what life will be like there -- I will make an effort.

DK: Anything of importance going to happen in the next few days?

HK: No, not that I know.

The President's Office in Chicago
the Senate and the Chamber of Commerce
Public Service Council

TELCOM
Phil Geyelin/Mr. Kissinger

7:25 p.m., February 14, 1972

G: I hate to bother you. This has nothing to do with the great issues of the world. The American Society has put together a program for their 25th anniversary.

K: When is it?

G: In April; the 18th, 19th or 20th. They are dying to have you speak. Not necessarily in any sense of the great issues.

K: How about on background?

G: They are probably very permissive. I think it would be a good thing. They have quite a few people from the Administration but they assumed that you never did that but you did recently at the Women's National Press Club dinner.

K: As the main speaker?

G: No, no; just talk about anything you want.

K: Who is speaking?

G: The Vice President and hopefully the President; the Secretary of Treasury and various people of that kind.

K: When you come to the Secretary of Treasury, you involve me with junior personnel.

G: You don't have to appear simultaneously. They have a panel --

K: Can they write me a letter?

G: Yeah. I'll write you a letter.

K: I generally don't do these things in this year without getting the approval of the Haldemans of the world.

G: It is a real cross-section. There are 800 editors.

K: I understand; it is a very good group.

G: You could take care of all those in one sitting.

TELCON
Phil Geyelin/Mr. Kissinger

7:25 p.m., February 14, 1972

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/74

K: Ask me to do a backgrounder, goddammit! Bradley has taken me so much, I can't do any backgrounders.

G: I don't think any damage was done by the foregrounder you did.

K: I am not critical of him; I recognize his problem.

G: I will write you a letter. Or maybe I will get Warren Phillips from the Wall Street Journal to write the letter.

K: That would increase my stature with my colleagues.

G: Bob ______; did you read his piece on Sunday?

K: Yeah.

G: I would like to talk to you about his four points sometime.

K: What I want now is a little silence for a little while. Let things cool off.

G: Do you see those things developing on what we were talking about -- a bash?

K: All indications but maybe not.

G: So much forewarning they may hold off a little bit.

K: They are so contrary. You announce something and they won't do it.

G: You know they are coming?

K: We had pretty convincing evidence that they are planning it.

G: There is a long dry season ahead.

K: From now to the middle of May.

G: Think things would loosen up before that.

K: No. I say no but it could happen.

G: We will be watching you, Henry.

K: That is the most threatening thing I have had all week.

G: To the extent we can. Have a good trip and I hope a productive one.

K: Thank you, Phil.

Re: a phone call with a report from
a Marine, Sns. and a commercial
Nuclear Submarine

By: K.H. Y. NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM

Theodore White/Mr. Kissinger

7:40 p.m., February 14, 1972

W: Thanks, Henry. I am on the trip!

K: I knew it.

W: ... on Friday night a party. Correspondents people. She asked me to round some people up.

K: All right.

W: I will contact you and give you the specifics. It will be good for you to get away.

K: I am at the Marine Base and I don't know where it is in relation.

W: I don't know either but I will find it. I will call your secretary tomorrow and give her some details.

K: I will see you there.

W: I am very excited.

K: I would love to get your impressions and I am delighted you are on the trip.

W: I am so excited about this, I can't tell you, Henry. I really hope we get to debrief each other on the way back.

["The President of the Republic in his capacity as President of the Republic of Iran", "CLASSIFIED\nE.O 12958, Sect. 3.6", "TELCOM", "The President/Mr. Kissinger", "10:30 p.m., February 14, 1972", "P: That was an interesting evening.", "K: He is a fascinating man.", "P: It was interesting for all those other people to hear him talk.\nI hope somebody will make a mental note of the whole thing.", "K: I thought he was more fascinating in the afternoon than evening.", "P: More profound actually.", "K: The evening was too heavy on economics. I am absolutely\nconvinced --", "P: I know, I know. That's the kick all the liberals are on.", "K: I don't even think we should tell him.", "P: Oh, no. We can tell the liberals but I don't think he will ask.", "K: He isn't going to ask. The reason he wants to see you, you are\nthe only world figure he can conceivably", "P: He said something just before getting into the car. Get the\ntranslator to see if he can recall it. He said before he got in the\ncar, \"I am not General DeGaulle but if I were--\". I can't recall\nit but it went something to this effect, \"This trip can change the\nwhole of the world; I wish you well.\"", "K: I will get it from the translator.", "P: Be sure that the translator can remember that part. I thought that\nwas a very nice touch. He was quite moved -- Lucet.", "K: Lucet told me he was tremendously moved by your visit this\nafternoon. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It is known to some that the person he is
serving, his son or his maternal
Grandfather was?

TELCON
The President/Mr. Kissinger
10:30 p.m., February 14, 1972

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

P: It's not true of the modern leaders but Lincoln had that feeling. The French are greatly moved by mystic.

K: So are the Chinese.

P: Oh, really?

K: Yes. When I was taken to the airport by their number three man, he told me as we were driving into the airport that when he joined Mao he had heard of the teacher in the mountains -- Mao was a teacher not a military man -- but never thought we were doing anything for this generation but for generations in the future. To them it is a tremendous thing that the President is coming to see them.

P: I think so too. It should be done with great dignity but not abrasive.

K: And with inner strength that the world has to be built.

P: With all deference to them, Agnew or Connally could not do it.

K: You understand it.

P: I lived in the West and went to school with the Chinese and I am a little more Chinese than many Americans.

K: They have dealt with tradition.

P: The other thing, you ought to feel pretty good about this day. We knew something that those other sons-of-bitches didn't know.

K: You ought to agree with Malraux.

P: You get it from the translator. We will never see him again; he is getting too old.

K: I thought and I think he is one of the great figures.

P: But he gets hung up on the economics thing. He said Senator Kennedy said that it was a social ... looking at the situation in the world it is the poorest country ... It ain't going to happen.

K: The reason they are doing this -- This is the most threatened country in the world.

The President/Mr. Kissinger
Has been on leave of absence
Preliminary Report?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

NASA Date 5/12/72

-2-

TELCOM

The President/Mr. Kissinger

10:30 p.m., February 14, 1972

P: They are scared to death. When he said why he believes the Chinese want this.

K: Capital destruction and they can get it only from us.

P: That's the typical attitude of the basic Marxist.

K: (1) ......... and (2) solidify and rule and only you can do that.

P: The three points Mao wanted before he died: (1) China must be united -- that means Taiwan; (2) China should be a great nation respected; and (3) economic progress.

K: That third point they will want to do on their own.

P: You can be sure we won't raise it.

K: And they won't raise it. Maybe in the second or third rounds. This can go down as a historic event.

P: It was good to have Smith there. He is going to Moscow but not to ________. He is a very nice guy; Smith that is.

K: A nice guy and he has been a good friend.

P: Get some sleep, Henry; you deserve it.

K: Thank you, Mr. President.

The President's Office
The Senate
The House
The Executive Yuan
The People's Republic of China

TELCOM
Senator Percy/Mr. Kissinger
10:55 p.m., February 14, 1972

By: KHLW NAVAQ Data: 5/13/74

P: How was your evening this evening?

K: Very interesting.

P: I will just take a minute. I was really quite disappointed on the list of people going to China to see that Mansfield and Scott were not included. I am sure it has been thought through quite well but both these men are quite unique in the Far East. I have not spoken with either one, of course, but the thought just occurred to me. I am sure you thought it through quite well as to how the Chinese would respond to a gesture of that type. From the standpoint of the Chinese, this may be strictly an Executive Presidential party and that opportunity might be lost. It is not my business but I thought I would raise it with someone I could talk to about it.

K: Let me raise it with the President again but the Chinese made a strong point of this being a working trip -- a working party. We are going to try to arrange a trip with Mansfield and Scott right afterwards.

P: But it is a first trip. There is talk around the Capitol that not a single member of the Legislature was invited to the President's daughter's wedding and now here is a real opportunity and not a member of the Legislature is invited. It is a unique responsibility that the Chinese, if not at least outsighted, it would be a tremendous gesture. It is very hard to put down on a balance sheet in terms of pluses and minuses but there are not many minuses but a lot of pluses. It will never happen again in the history of the Legislature for a long time.

K: I understand the President has talked to both of them. I am not really involved in this phase of it but I will talk to the President about this call first thing in the morning.

P: I have not talked to them. They are both unique in that part of the world but the President knows Mike Mansfield better than I do.

K: Jack, I appreciate it and the spirit in which it was offered.

P: Thank you so much, Henry.