DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN

Stans/Kissinger

10:07 a.m. 12/7/81

K: I want to talk to you a minute before the meeting with the President. He will
repeat it. You know we have presented these Russian licenses to fit in with
foreign policy situation. We said we would open it wide when conditions good
and they were when you were there. But they are taking a tough line on
South Asia. Can you calm down your eager beavers? Call it off so they notice
it but not forced to explain it?

S: Certainly will. Nothing is on.

K: It will open in a couple of months. It might not take that long but we want
them to notice something quickly.

S: I am seeing the President at 3:00. Your timing was absolutely right. They
had laid the red carpet for us. We are ready to go. I came back with an
ambivalent viewpoint there. Lots of opportunity there but a lot of reservation
on what should be done. We should make a constructive move or offer some
and tie it to something we want them to do.

K: Like what?

S: I would offer to extend export-import credits provided that your lend-lease
tied (?).

K: Now we can consider it on conditional basis if they behave better. We don't
exclude that. Will you sit on the other one? I have to run see the President
before his Head of State arrival.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

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Sen. Stennis/Kissinger
10:41 a. m. 12/7/71

S: I am not going to take more than one minute. One point. Background is that I am concerned that we move very carefully and get out of a bind we are in on intelligence. Newspapers published those figures and they still on the floor. That fight not over and not over for the new plan on intelligence operations. You are on the committee and I think you belong there.

K: I have always been there.

S: ? ? ? ?

K: My role?

S: The military man.

K: There has always been a military man.

S: I know. You don't have to have a military man in there as a deputy. He is from another organization. His allegiance is to the other dept. I think you should have a civilian to train for the first spot. I wrote this to the President. Whoever you select, the man should be in on the selection. Helms.

K: Anyone we select would have the support of Helms.

S: He hasn't mentioned it to me. It's a thought of mine for years. If you select it he will approve him but I would like to feel there's a continuity. I think Helms has done an outstanding job.

K: We have great trust (?) in him.

S: I think he should be in on the selection.

K: We will do something on that.

S: He would not say anything about this to me.

K: No. You are both men of honor.

S: Keeping Senators in the dark on money spent on intelligence.

K: There may be a way of shifting tactical intelligence. We are working it out based on some of your suggestions.