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that on the basis of the concrete ideas he is taking back to Israel,
the Israeli Cabinet will be in a position to make concrete ideas
of its own on Saturday?

5. Answer : Dr. Kissinger : I am of course in no position to speak for the Israeli Cabinet, but I expect that there will be some concrete Israeli ideas when I return.

6. Question : Mr. President, there have been reports this evening of troop movements on the Egyptian border front. Can you tell us if these reports are based on anything substantial?

7. Answer : President Sadat : Not at all, the Egyptian side not at all.

8. Question : There has been no concentration of Egyptian forces along the Sinai Front?

9. Answer : President Sadat : Not at all, we are humbly honoring our signature on the disengagement agreement. We have with us General Gamaz.

10. (In Arabic) garbled.

11. Answer : President Sadat : (Translation from Arabic) In my talks with Dr. Kissinger we have moved from generalities to specifics, which Dr. Kissinger will take with him to Israel, after which he will return to us. At this stage there is no room for guesswork. We await Dr. Kissinger's return. (End translation)

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12. Question: Mr. President, you told us last time that you expected this to be a hard round. Do you still feel that way, or do you think it will be any easier?

13. Answer: President Sadat: I expect it to be difficult and hard.

14. Question: Mr. Secretary, do you have a better estimate now of how long the shuttle might last?

15. Answer: Dr. Kissinger: I don't want to make any estimates as to the length of time. Of course, I think all parties have an interest in moving it as rapidly as possible.

16. Question: Mr. President, is Egypt now prepared to give written assurances to refrain from beginning hostilities against Israel?

17. Answer: President Sadat: Well, maybe you remember the statement I made in Paris. We are not aiming at all to start any hostilities, but assurances must be on a reciprocal basis, and it is premature now to speak about specifics.

18. Question: Mr. President, on the basis of the progress that has been made so far, do you believe that an agreement is now likely?

19. Answer: President Sadat: I hope so, but I can't confirm it until after Dr. Kissinger returns.

20. Question: Dr. Kissinger, are you carrying anything on paper to show anything at all in the form of maps, drawings?

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21. Answer : Dr. Kissinger : We have not reached that point yet. I have had long discussions with the President and his associates on two successive can evenings and I think I can reflect their thinking in a rather precise fashion, without the help of maps.

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23. Answer : President Sadat : Well, as I have said before, I think the mission of Dr. Kissinger has two main aims. The first is to defuse the explosive situation that exists in the area now, and second to push the peace process. I have stated also that the defusion of the explosive situation means that there must be some Israeli gesture of peace on the three fronts.

24. Question : Mr. President, could you give us some hint what your ideas are about?

25. Answer : President Sadat : It is premature, still premature.

26. Question : Mr. President, is it possible that the agreement will be in some sort of phased format in other words, a series of stages of actions by Israel and by Egypt? Is it possible it will be more along those lines?

27. Answer : President Sadat : Why don't you wait until it is achieved?

28. Question : Mr. President, Dr. Kissinger has also said that he believes that both sides in these negotiations want peace, do you think so?

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believe that Israel wants peace?

29. Answer : President Sadat : Well, I shall be waiting the return of Dr. Kissinger here. Dr. Kissinger can see both sides, but I can't see the other side myself. I shall be waiting awaiting the return of Dr. Kissinger.

30. Question : Mr. President, are you more optimistic now than you were before you heard the latest Israeli response through Mr. Dr. Kissinger? What is your feeling now?

31. Answer : President Sadat : I am still optimistic. Yes.

32. Question : More than before? President

33. Answer : Sadat : Still optimistic, because it is my mood. I am optimistic always.

34. Question : Mr. President, could you describe or would you define for us what is the most difficult area of the talks? Do you have any specifics about what has been the most difficult area of negotiations?

35. Answer : President Sadat : I think you should ask Dr. Kissinger this question.

36. Dr. Kissinger : At this point it is not possible to make a judgement on which is the most difficult point.

37. Question : Mr. President, have you considered having joint patrols instead of a UN Force to police the area that would be demilitarized?

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SUBJ: REMARKS OF SECRETARY KISSINGER AT CONCLUSION OF MEETING
WITH PM RABIN AND OTHER ISRAELI OFFICIALS IN JERUSALEM, MARCH
12, 1975

1. SECRETARY KISSINGER: WE CONTINUED OUR VERY DETAILED EXAMINATION OF ELEMENTS OF A POSSIBLE AGREEMENT.
IN THE NATURE OF SUCH AN EXAMINATION WE CANNOT MAKE A PROGRESS REPORT
EVERY DAY BUT THE TALKS ARE BEING CONDUCTED IN VERY FRIENDLY,
VERY POSITIVE SPIRIT AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN MY ESTIMATE OF
THE SITUATION.

2. QUESTION: ARE YOU BEGINNING TO SEE THE SHAPE OF AN AGREEMENT
EVEN THOUGH IT IS KIND OF EARLY?
KISSINGER: I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY ESTIMATES. I'LL BE BACK
HERE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS. I'M GOING TO ASWAN...

3. QUESTION: THERE ARE REPORTS THAT YOU WILL BE HERE ANOTHER TWO
WEEKS LONGER. WHAT DO YOU SAY?
KISSINGER: I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT COULD
TAKE BUT I HAVE SOME OTHER DUTIES IN WASHINGTON TOO.

4. QUESTION: HAVE YOU FOUND ANY AREAS OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN ISRAEL AND EGYPT?
KISSINGER: I JUST WON'T GO INTO ANYTHING.

5. QUESTION: DOES THAT MEAN YOU MIGHT BREAK OFF THE TALKS AND GO BACK TO WASHINGTON AND THEN RETURN?
KISSINGER: NO. I THINK THAT WE WILL KNOW WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME
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1. THE FOLLOWING IS THE TEXT OF REMARKS BY SECRETARY KISSINGER ON HIS DEPARTURE FROM ANKARA'S ESENBOGA AIRPORT AT 5 P.M. TUESDAY, MARCH 11. (BEGIN TEXT)

2. "LADIES AND GENTLEM, I CAME HERE TO STRENGTHEN THE OLD FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN TURKEY AND THE UNITED STATES. THIS FRIENDSHIP, AS THE UNITED STATES HAS REPEATEDLY AFFIRMED, IS IN THE MUTUAL INTEREST OF BOTH COUNTRIES AND IT IS NOT EXTENDED AS A FAVOR BY ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND IT IS IN THAT CONTEXT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION VIEWS THE ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TURKEY AND THE UNITED STATES.

3. "WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO OVERCOME WHATEVER DIFFICULTIES EXIST IN THAT RELATIONSHIP AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL EMERGE FROM THESE DIFFICULTIES WITH AN EVEN STRONGER APPRECIATION OF EACH OTHER'S NEEDS AND WITH AN EVEN STRONGER COMMITMENT TO THE MUTUAL FRIENDSHIP THAN BEFORE.

4. "WITH RESPECT TO CYPRUS, WE REVIEWED THE SITUATION IN A FRIENDLY SPIRIT. THE UNITED STATES BELIEVES THAT THE QUICKEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS IN THE INTEREST OF ALL PARTIES AND OF ALL OF THE COUNTRIES. THE PROBLEM IS TO BEGIN THE NEGOTIATIONS AND TO FIND A FRAMEWORK FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS. AND I BELIEVE THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN THAT DIRECTION DURING MY VISIT.

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5. "NOW I WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE TWO OR THREE QUESTIONS.. (INAUDIBLE) FROM THOSE WHO ARE NOT TRAVELLING WITH ME." (LAUGHTER)

6. Q: (INAUDIBLE) HAVE YOU REACHED MUTUAL GROUNDS FOR DISCUSSIONS? (PARAPHRASED)

7. A: WELL, OF COURSE, THE NEGOTIATIONS WILL HAVE TO BE CONDUCTED IN OUR VIEW BETWEEN GREEK AND TURKISH COMMUNITIES. AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE HELPFUL IN FINDING A GENERAL FRAMEWORK. BUT THE DETAILED PLANS AND THE DETAILED BASES WILL HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED BY THE NEGOTIATORS THEMSELVES.

8. Q: MR. SECRETARY OF STATE, DO YOU THINK THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON THE CYPRUS ISSUE IT IS LIKELY YOU WILL RETURN TO ANKARA OR TO ATHENS IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

9. A: WELL, ASSISTANT SECRETARY HARTMAN IS GOING TO VISIT ATHENS AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE RETURNING TO ANKARA BEFORE THE END OF MAY, WHEN I WILL BE COMING HERE FOR A CENTO MEETING; AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT VISIT.

10. Q: DID YOU BRING ANY SPECIFIC CONCESSIONS FROM MR. BITSIOS WHEN YOU ARRIVED IN ANKARA (INAUDIBLE) TO MR. ESENBEL (INAUDIBLE) IN ANY WAY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PROGRESS YOU HAVE MADE?

11. A: I DID NOT COME HERE WITH SPECIFIC PLANS AND MY PURPOSE WAS IN TRYING TO INTERPRET THE IDEAS AS I HAD UNDERSTOOD THEM, OF THE GREEK SIDE, AND TO SEE WHETHER ONE COULD FIND A POSSIBLE FRAMEWORK FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS ORCE THE FORUM HAS BEEN DETERMINED. THANK YOU. (END TEXT) FOR JERUSALEM: THE ABOVE SHOULD BE REPRODUCED IN SUFFICIENT QUANTITY FOR DISTRIBUTION TO NEWSMEN ACCOMPANYING THE SECRETARY UPON OR SOON AFTR THEIR ARRIVAL.

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1. Emerging from a meeting with Republican People's Party leader Bulent Ecevit Monday night (Mar 10), Secretary Kissinger told newsmen waiting outside of Ecevit's office in the parliament building:

"Mr. Ecevit and I had a very good and complete talk. As you know, we are old friends and we reviewed all the relations between the United States and Turkey and other problems of mutual interest such as Cyprus."

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1. Transcript of Secretary Kissinger's statement KRIKK follows:
"I would like to express our pleasure at visiting us our old and trusted ally Turkey and our appreciation for the invitation on such short notice and in the face of many complexities. I look forward to an opportunity to exchange views with my old friend, the Foreign Minister, with the Prime Minister, with your President and with leading political personalities of Turkish political life. Our relationship with Turkey, which goes back 30 years, is based on mutual interest and a long tradition. It is a relationship which we value and which I have come here to strengthen. And we will do our best to settle together and to discuss together all the complex

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SECRETARY: I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION IN WHICH EVERY DAY I HAVE TO GIVE AN ASSESSMENT AND A PERCENTAGE FIGURE BECAUSE WE WILL BE IN A HOPELESS TRAP AFTER A WHILE. I CAME HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT AN AGREEMENT IS POSSIBLE. I HAVE NO REASON TO CHANGE MY MIND.

4. Q: DO YOU HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT OF HOW LONG THIS MISSION WILL LAST?

A: I DON'T WANT TO PUT MYSELF INTO ANY PARTICULAR TIME FRAME BECAUSE IT IS AN AGREEMENT OF SOME IMPORTANCE, IF IT IS ACHIEVED, IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH GREAT CARE.

5. FOR ANKARA: WOULD APPRECIATE IF COPIES OF ABOVE ARE DUPLICATED FOR DISTRIBUTION TO PRESS TRAVELING WITH SECRETARY.

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SUBJ: SECVISIT: EXCHANGE OF TOASTS AT SECRETARY KISSINGER'S LUNCHEON IN HONOR OF SYRIAN FOREIGN MINISTER KHADDAM, DAMASCUS, MAR 9, 1975

1. TRANSCRIPT OF SECRETARY KISSINGER' TOAST:

QUOTE: I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS THE GREAT PLEASURE WE HAVE IN WELCOMING THE FOREIGN MINISTER, MRS. KHADDAM AND ALL OUR OTHER SYRIAN FRIENDS TO THE AMERICAN EMBASSY. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF FIRST MEETING THE FOREIGN MINISTER IN DECEMBER, 1973. SINCE THEN I HAVE BEEN IN DAMASCUS ABOUT THIRTY TIMES. I AM ONE OF THE WORLD'S GREAT EXPERTS ON THE ROUTE FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE GUEST HOUSE, AND ON THE TACTICS OF THE FOREIGN MINISTER, WHICH CONSIST OF GOING ON THE ATTACK IMMEDIATELY UPON MY ARRIVAL. IN FACT, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT HIM. HE HAS COMPRESSED THE TIME SCHEDULE NOW, AND WE CAN GET INTO A FULL ATTACK FROM A STANDING START IN TEN SECONDS. (LAUGHTER) I CAN SAY WITH ASURANCE THAT WHATEVER ELSE MAY HAPPEN IN SYRIAN-AMERICAN RELATIONS. IT WILL NOT BE DUE TO THE INADEQUATE DEFENSE OF SYRIAN INTEREST BY THE SYRIAN OFFICIALS THAT I HAVE EN-COUNTERED.

IN THE YEAR AND A HALF THAT WE HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING I HAVE LEARNED TO UNDERSTAND THE SYRIAN POINT OF VIEW, THE SYRIAN PRIDE, THE SYRIAN DEDICATION TO ITS PRINCIPLES. WE HAVE DORKED TOGETHER ON ONE AGREEMENT, AND WHILE IT WAS A DIFFICULT NEGOTIATION, I THINK IT BROUGHT OUR TWO COUNTRIES (LOSER TOGETHER. AS I CONTINUE THE AMERICAN EFFORTS IN THIS AREA, IT IS BASED ON THE CONVICTION THAT A LASTING PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST MUST INCLUDE ALL OF THE CONCERNED COUNTRIES. THIS IS OUR BASIC ATTITUDE IN WHAT-EVER CONTRIBUTION WE CAN MAKE TO LASTING PEACE. IN THE PROCESS, I BELIEVE THAT SYRIAN-AMERICAN RELATIONS HAVE DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED, AND WE WILL TO WHATEVER IS IN OUR POWER SO THEY WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. AS WE HAVE LEARNED

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TO WORK TOGETHER IN MUTUAL RESPECT AND GROWING UNDERSTANDING, I AM CONFIDENT WE CAN SURMOUNT WHATEVER DIFFICULTIES EXIST FROM TIME TO TIME. I HAVE GREATLY APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING WITH THE FOREIGN MINISTER, GENERAL SHAHABI, AND OF COURSE WITH PRESIDENT ASAD AND OTHERS HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A TOAST TO THE FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THE SYRIAN AND AMERICAN PEOPLE. UNQUOTE.

2. TRANSLATION FROM ARABIC OF FOREIGN MINISTER KHADDAM'S TOAST: QUOTE MR. SECRETARY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS OF THE SYRIAN SIDE FOR THIS GRACIOUS INVITATION TO THE RESIDENCE OF THE AMERICAN ENBASSY. AND I ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE GRACIOUS WORDS YOU HAVE UTTERED IN APPRECIATION OF THE GOOD RELATIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND SYRIA. YOU HAVE REFERRED TO YOUR REPEATED VISITS TO OUR COUNTRY. AND I BELIEVE THAT DURING THIS PERIOD AND THROUGH THESE VISITS YOU HAVE COME TO APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE FEEL AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.

AS PRESIDENT ASAD SAID EVER SINCE THE FIRST MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT OUR COUNTRY WANTS AND STIVES FOR PEACE. WE HAVE WORKED. WE ARE STILL WORKING, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD THE REALIZATION OF A JUST PEACE. WE WERE VERY CLEAR WHEN WE SAID THAT PEACE MEANS TO US FIRST: THE PRESERVATION FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE OF THEIR LEGITIMATE RIGHTS; SECONDLY: THE COMPLETE WITHDRAWAL OF ISRAELI FORCES FROM OUR OCCUPIED LANDS. AND IT IS FROM THIS ANGLE THAT WE VIEW EFFORTS IN THIS DIRECTION TOWARD A JUST SOULTION, AND FROM THIS ANGLE APPEARS THE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT A JUST PEACE. THAT IS WHY WE IN SYRIA AND THE REST OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES WANT JUST AND PERMANENT PEACE. AND IT WAS ON THIS BASIS THAT WE WELCOMED ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WERE SPENT WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK AND IN THIS DIRECTION.

I WISH YOU, MR. SECRETARY, AND YOU, MRS. KISSINGER, A VERY GOOD SOJOURN IN OUR COUNTRY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AND ASSURE YOU THAT OUR COUNTRY STRETCHES OUT THE ARM OF FRIENDSHIP TO MEET THE ARM OF FRIENDSHIP EXTENDED BY ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE SAME SPIRIT. WE STRETCH OUT THIS ARM OF FRIENDSHIP TOWARD ANY COUNTRY WHICH SHARES WITH US MUTUAL RESPECT AND WHICH HAS MUTUAL INTERESTS WITH US. IN THIS CONNECTION, REFERENCE MUST BE MADE TO THE EFFORTS MADE BY DR. KISSINGER TO RETURN TO NORMALCY THE RELATIONS BETWEEN SYRIAN AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

FINALLY, I RAISE MY GLASS IN A TOAST TO SECRETARY KISSINGER, MRS. KISSINGER AND TO ALL OUR OTHER AMERICAN GUESTS HERE. UNQUOTE.

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are interested in a separate peace treaty with Israel.

Answer: We are ready to end the state of belligerency with Israel in accordance with U.N. Resolution 338, which stipulates Israel's complete withdrawal from Arab occupied territories to the 1967 boundaries, and the restoration of the legitimate rights of the Palestinians. In any case, we are not enamored of peace treaties. What is important is to move toward a condition of peace and not just to sign treaties.

Question: Would a unified command give the Palestinians the opportunity to be represented in Geneva?

Answer: It might prevent Syria from being there, which in essence means we either all go together or we don't go.

Question: How soon could this unified command become a reality?

Answer: If the PLO leadership decides now we will be ready now to unite. In the near future we could become a tripartite unified commission.

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Secretary of State Kissinger will go to Ankara on
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common interest with Foreign Minister Esenbel. During
his stay in Ankara Secretary Kissinger will be received
by the President of the Republic of Turkey as well as
other high officials and leaders.

by the President of the Republic of Turkey as well as
his stay in Ankara Secretary Kizainder will be received
common interest with Foreign Minister Ezenbeли. During
Monday afternoon, March 10, to discuss matters of

Secretary of State Kizainder will do to Ankara on
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QUOTE As you know the President and I have had extensive talks today partly alone and partly together with our associates, to review all the elements that are involved in making another step towards peace in the Middle East I will now go first to Syria and then to Israel and I will discuss there a similar range of issues regarding the elements of another step, then I will return for further discussions with the President on Tuesday or Wednesday. I am here because the United States believes very strongly that another step towards peace in the Middle East is in the interest of all of the peoples of the Middle East and of the world and we are dedicated to making a major effort in this direction. I believe, that based on the discussions that I have had, progress is possible

Question : Have you discussed Mr. Secretary, any possibility of another disengagement on the Syrian Front?

Answer : Secretary Kissinger: We discussed the whole range of problems involved with peace in the Middle East, and of course that includes all fronts.

Question : Mr. Secretary, are you bringing concrete ideas to Israel that you have picked up here from President Sadat?

Answer : Secretary Kissinger: Obviously in discussions with

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the Israelis we will be discussing ideas and elements of a possible xx step, and I don't think the origin of these ideas and elements is of decisive importance.

Question: Mr President, do you think enough progress has been made to make you optimistic about a settlement?

Answer: President Sadat: Well, as I said before, I am always optimistic, but I think we shall be having a very hard round this time.

Question: Did you discuss the Palestinian question, Mr Kissinger?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: I said we discussed the whole range of issues in the Middle East.

Question: Mr President, when you said a "hard round" do you think it will take a long time? Do you think it might take three or four weeks?

Answer: President Sadat: Well, I shall be very happy to have Dr Kissinger as long as he can afford to stay with me, but it is not a matter of weeks or so. As I said before, the mission of my friend Dr Kissinger is very important this time because we are working on two very important points: The first point is the defusion of the explosive situation, the second point is pushing the process of peace. For that I am saying it is the hardest

Question: Mr President, you said recently that you think now, for the first time, peace is possible. Can you please say what

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changed to make it such at this time? What elements have changed?

Answer : President Sadat : Well, I did not say this yesterday or a week before, I six said it a year before when I met Dr. Kissinger when we fulfilled the first disengagement agreement. My theory is this : For twenty-six years we have never enjoyed any confidence in Israel, and the same thing happened, that Israel never enjoyed any confidence in us. The moment came when Dr. Kissinger appeared on the stage and he enoyed my full confidence, and I think it must be mentioned also that he should enoy the full confidence of Israel he has after all that he has done for Israel, and all that the United States for has done. So far that I am saying, the first time in twenty-six years peace is possible

Question : Mr President, do you think that no form of warfare is useful in the Arab - Israeli conflict?

Answer : President Sadat : This is quite true from my point of view, and I think the October War has proved that whatever power cannot any party has, it cannot impose conditions on the other

Question : What about other forms of warfare, Mr. President ?

Answer : President Sadat : Well, do you have in mind what you call preventive war ?

Question : Economic Warfare.

Answer : President Sadat : When we discuss peace, we shall be

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discussing peace in all its dimensions. But let us first defuse
the explosive situation, then after that we can discuss it

Question: Mr President, could you say that after your talks
today, do you feel things look harder than they did before your
talks today?

Answer: President Sadat: Well, my friend, it is true that I feel
this time it is harder. It is true.

Question: Is it harder Mr. President, because you
want to go further this time than you did last time in the range of
what you are trying to achieve?

Answer: President Sadat: Well, as I told you, what we want to
achieve this time is keeping the momentum of the peace cause and
defusing the explosive situation.

Question: Are the prospects better or worse after today's talks?
cannot

Answer: President Sadat: I cannot tell until Dr. Kissinger
returns.

Question: Mr President, is the question a written non-war
pledge by Egypt a negotiable issue as far as you are concerned?

Answer: President Sadat: We have not discussed this. Not yet
We have not reached it. But do you mean non-belligerency? As I told
you, if I am going to agree to non-belligerency while there is one
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to continue occupying my land, and I am not going to extend this
invitation.

Question : Mr. Secretary, do you expect the Geneva Conference
to meet soon?

Answer : Secretary Kissinger : We have always stated our readiness to go to Geneva, and when I met Foreign Minister Gromyko in Geneva last week, we indicated that we were prepared for a resumption at an early date.

Question : Have you discussed the visit of President Sadat to the United States?

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I, in turn, explained to the Foreign Minister the readiness of the United States Government, and my own personal readiness, to do everything within our power to speed up a solution to this difficult and tragic problem. The Foreign Minister and I agreed to meet again in the near future at a time and place yet to be determined in order to review the progress that may have been made and that, we hope, will have been made on the issues that we discussed today. UNQUOTE.

2. Transcript of Foreign Minister Bitsios' statement:

**QUOTE:** Secretary Kissinger and myself felt that there was an accumulation of problems serious enough to make necessary another of our periodical, friendly meetings. The subjects which we have discussed are difficult matters, so no spectacular results could be expected, but our discussion was to place in the spirit of mutual understanding and our determination and willingness to see progress made in all fields. We shall meet again, and I expect that by that time we shall have to report some further progress. Thank you. UNQUOTE

3. Transcript of questions and answers: **QUOTE:**

**Question:** Mr. Secretary, will that meeting take place jointly with the Turkish Foreign Minister?

**Answer:** Secretary Kissinger: We have not made any

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plans. I would expect that this will be a separate
meeting between Foreign Minister Bitsios and myself. But
we are of course in favor of anything that would facilitate
negotiations.

Question: Mr. Foreign Minister, are you hopeful
of early resumption of the negotiations with Turkey?

Answer: Foreign Minister Bitsios: The situation is
such that I hope that there will be a breakthrough.

Question: Is there now a new approach that you have
agreed on that could be presented to the Turks hopefully
to lead to Turkish agreement to begin negotiations?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: This was not a question
today of discovering new approaches. I am sending Assistant
Secretary Harman to Ankara to report on the discussions.
We hope that a framework can be found, both procedural and
substantive, that will permit the progress of which Foreign
Minister Bitsios and I have spoken.

Question: (In Greek) Have you proposed a solution to
the Cyprus problem (summary of a question in Greek)?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: I have not proposed any
solution. The United States will do its best to facilitate
a solution, but of course the basic positions will have to
be taken by the parties concerned and it would not be proper
for the United States to impose its own views on the parties.
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a speedy solution. The talks this afternoon in which Foreign Minister Bitsios explained, as I said, the full range of the Greek park point of view will be studied with sympathy and will be dealt with in a manner that we hope will facilitate a settlement.

Question: How soon can a solution be found?
(Summary of question in Greek.)

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: I think it is premature to speculate as to time. I agree with Foreign Minister Bitsios that by the time we meet again, it may be possible to indicate a time frame and to report some specific steps that could be taken.

Question: Will you meet Foreign Minister Essenbel?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: I am prepared to meet with the Turkish Foreign Minister, and I expect to meet with him within the next few weeks. We have not set a date.

Question: What is the status of the negotiations on United States bases in Greece?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: That would be the last question, at least as far as I am concerned. Yes, we reviewed the negotiations that were started. They will be resumed in a few weeks after we have studied the Greek position that was submitted to us. These negotiations too are, in our judgment, being conducted in a constructive spirit.

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Question: Are you optimistic?

Answer: Secretary Kissinger: I think it is premature to make any predictions. We are seriously trying to help towards a solution, and again I think that after the Foreign Minister and I meet the next time, we may be able to hazard some predictions. UNQUOTE.

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UNITED STATES EMBASSY, 55/56 UPPER BROOK STREET, LONDON W1A 2LH

REMARKS BY U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE, HENRY A. KISSINGER

AT FREEDOM OF CARDIFF AWARD CEREMONY

(Dinner of the Lord Mayor of Cardiff, Wales, March 6)

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Ever since I heard our two honorary freemen at noon today, I have been seized with panic because I knew I had to follow two individuals in a country where oratory is still a great art. Two of Nancy's cousins-- of Welsh origins by the name of Evans -- warned me before I came here that Welsh romanticism sometimes takes on epic proportions. And I have had a quick course in American history this afternoon. I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for being the first American Secretary of State who is not of Welsh origin.

I have been asked to speak for the assembled guests in extending our congratulations to the two men who have been honored today, Jim Callaghan and George Thomas. It is difficult to speak for so many and even more difficult to do justice to the achievements of the two honorary freemen. Today you have honored them for three decades of distinguished service to you in the House of Commons and as Ministers of the Crown.

You all know that I can here because I was invited by George Thomas. And therefore you will forgive me if I respect the sensitivities of Jim Callaghan by concentrating some of my remarks on him.

I confess that I view their achievements, particularly those of my friend Jim Callaghan, from a perspective different than your own. By conferring the Freedom of the City upon him, you have symbolically welcomed him as a citizen of Cardiff and of Wales. But I know him as a citizen of the world, as a statesman who has been my valued colleague in our common search for a more secure peace, a friend on whose word one can always rely, and whose steadiness is a constant source of strength. By supporting Jim Callaghan during his long career in Parliament, Cardiff has given him the opportunity for the broad experience, at home and abroad, that now allows him to speak so effectively for Britain in the world community. Not only Britain but America must be grateful for your trust.

This text may be used in quotation or in full, with or without attribution to USIS, by press, radio and other media after release time indicated at top. In the case of wireless texts, whilst every effort has been made to maintain accuracy, transmission problems may result in certain inaccuracies and allowance must be made accordingly.

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as the Cold War, have diminished in urgency. New motives for cooperation, such as economic interdependence, have appeared. New powers have joined the industrialised world, and new centers of influence, such as the oil producers, have arisen within the developing world. As we seek a new basis for Atlantic relations, we must be more aware of relations with the rest of the world than ever before.

But at a time of change, let us reaffirm the enduring principles that have guided, and continue to guide, relations between America and this country.

- Our association is based upon a deep community of values and interests. Our strategic interests closely coincide. Our economies are interdependent. Americans, most of whom are the descendants of Europe, share Europe's commitment to the ideals of freedom, democracy, and a life of opportunity for all our peoples.

- A major common purpose of our policies is to preserve our civilisation from insecurity or scarcity; to realise the opportunity for freedom and progress and to achieve together a world at peace.

- Our relationship is based on friendship and partnership. Our inspiration is the need to vindicate man in an age of proliferating technology and to give hope to a world capable of self-destruction.

Jim Callaghan and I have the privilege of serving two nations whose historic partnership has been central to the unity and the progress of the West. Our nations have common purposes that transcend the interests of Britain, of America, and of Europe. We are the inheritors of a vision of what the unity of the West can mean for the future of all mankind.

Jim and I are friends, as our two peoples are friends, and we are partners as our two peoples are partners. I repeat to you my thanks for the opportunity to be here today, and for the warmth of your welcome. One understands a man better for seeing what shaped him. I want to extend my deep gratitude to Cardiff and to Wales for having helped make Jim the man and the statesman that he is.

And I join my voice to yours in commemorating the great honor you have bestowed upon both of your two honorary freemen.

Thank you.

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1. On leaving London for Cardiff this morning the Secretary had the following brief exchange with newsmen outside Claridge's:

QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, could you tell us what your reaction has been to Tel Aviv?

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Question: How does it affect your mission?

The Secretary: It underlines the importance of making progress towards peace, and I hope that we can continue.

Question: Mr. Secretary, have you been in touch with the Israelis yet?

The Secretary: I have sent them a message. I have given them no advice. I have sent them a message of sympathy.

2. At 1000 hours London time {0600 EDT} the spokesman released the following statement from London:

Begin text: The Secretary deeply regrets the loss of innocent life in this incident and extends profound sympathy to all those affected.

We deplore all recourse to violence, which is entirely contrary to all civilized norms and to the search for a peace which will be just and lasting for all the peoples of the area.

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interdependence to which both of our countries have been committed, in which the resources of the producers are combined with the technological experience of some of the consuming countries, to enhance the development and the progress of both sides.

It reflects also the very deep political bonds that exist between Iran and the United States.

The Economic Cooperation Agreement foresees projects on the order of $12 billion which will be completed, or the negotiations for which is in the process of being completed, or will be completed in the very near future.

Out of this economic cooperation we expect that there will develop a trade between the two countries, excluding oil, over the next five years in the amount of $15 billion. These projects will represent a major step forward in the very vast scheme of development that Iran has undertaken, and the United States is happy that it can play its part in this enterprise. It also reflects the conviction of both sides that an expanding world economy is in the interests of progress and peace.

I would like to express our appreciation to my colleague, the Co-Chairman of the Commission, for the manner in which the negotiations have been conducted. It was in an

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atmosphere of friendship and understanding and cooperation
which we are certain will be extended in the years to come.

I also would like to express on behalf of the
President how much he's looking forward to the visit of
His Imperial Majesty, the Shah, in May.

Thank you.

MINISTER ANSARY: Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

May I join you in expressing the gratification
and appreciation of the Iranian team in the talks that we
have had in the course of the past two days in the second
session of our Joint Ministerial Commission for Economic
Cooperation. We are extremely pleased on our side that the
outcome of these negotiations is entirely satisfactory to
both sides. We have managed to reach agreement on the use
of the comparative advantages of the two countries for the
benefit not only of our respective nations but also of the
world at large.

To your remarks, Mr. Secretary, I may add that
Iran is the first major oil producing country to go nuclear
in a major way; and one important aspect of the Agreement
that we have reached on the areas of cooperation between
the two countries is, of course, the readiness that has been
expressed in principle on the part of the Atomic Energy

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Organization of Iran to place orders for a large number
of nuclear power plants in the United States.

Of the other agreements that we reached, I think
the most important in terms not only of the development for
our relations but also of the problems facing the world
today is where this cooperation entails the production of
additional amounts of food and agricultural products not only
for the use of domestic needs of Iran but also for the
region at large.

This includes also the development of a center
for agricultural technology that would be used regionally
by all the countries concerned.

In addition to this, of course, it is highly
satisfactory to us that, the end result of economic
cooperation being increasing trade, the amount envisaged in
the Agreement for the exchange of commodities between the
two countries in the next five years is a rather impressive
figure of $15 billion that the Secretary has just mentioned.

May I take the opportunity also, Mr. Secretary,
to express my appreciation and sincere thanks for the
opportunity that I had to call on the President this
morning, and for his support and encouragement in the
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development for our relations.

May I also thank you sincerely for all your
kindness, for your hospitality and for your warmth and
for the constructive attitude that at all times was
clearly visible on your personal side for the attention
that you rendered personally to the development of our
negotiations and for the tremendous contributions of every
distinguished member of your party.

Thank you very much.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Thank you.

I would like also to point out that all the
nuclear plans are under the safeguards that are appropriate
to signatories of the Non-Froliferation Treaty, which, of
course, includes Iran. And I also would like to underline
the point that my colleague has already made about the
importance we attach to the agricultural development not
only for Iran but on a regional basis, and how much the
United States appreciates the efforts of Iran to use some
of its resources in the field of agricultural development
for increasing production, food production, in the entire
region.

And now we'll be glad to answer some questions.

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Q Mr. Secretary, Iran is undertaking to spend approximately 12 billion in the next five years. And you have jointly set a target of 15 billion in total non-oil trade. Does the $12 billion fit into that?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Well, the $12 billion involves development projects that have already been agreed upon. They may extend over a period of slightly more than five years. Some of them may extend over a period of as long as eight years -- for example, the construction of nuclear power plants. So the figure of 12 billion fits inside the $15 billion figure but may go a little bit beyond it. But, nevertheless, we aim at a non-oil trade of $15 billion over the five years.

MINISTER ANSARY: For your information, the figure of $15 billion includes the amount of trade that would result from the agreements on the implementation of $12 billion worth of joint projects that would be implemented with the cooperation of the two countries. To that you will have to add the normal increase in the exchange of quantities between the two countries over and above the present volume, and, therefore, that is a figure that has been estimated to reach about $15 billion in the next five years.

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Q Mr. Minister, I understand that the United States has a bilateral agreement since, I think, '59, with Iran on nuclear research. And, also, last year, didn't you sign a 10-year agreement on plutonium from the United States? What is the difference between today and the last year's agreement?

MINISTER ANSARY: Mr. Marton, the agreement that we have reached with the Secretary under the document that was signed today concerns the construction of nuclear power plants in Iran up to 8,000 megawatts. And this, of course, is in conformity with the agreement that we have signed. We're a signatory to the Nonproliferation Agreement. The cooperation for the establishment for the construction of the nuclear power plants is a by-product of the agreements that we have had between the two countries on cooperation in this particular field.

Q Mr. Minister, what we're trying to establish, sir, is what the increase is from, what the base is that you have now. Could you explain that for us -- what you have in terms of present nuclear power plants from the

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United States and on order from France -- so that
we can have a comparison of the magnitude as to what
is involved in the current agreement.

MINISTER ANSARY: Excuse me. I think the
question was -- ?

Q Can you tell us what you presently have
from the United States in terms of nuclear power plants?

MINISTER ANSARY: We do not have any.

Q You don't have any. On order from
France.

MINISTER ANSARY: The orders to France and to West
Germany cover two nuclear power stations each.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I whispered to the Minister to go immediately on the attack when Murrey Marder asks a question before he gets to the substance. (Laughter.)

Q Could you give us an indication, sir,
then, what is involved in terms of -- you speak of a series
of large nuclear power plants. Can you give us a number?

MINISTER ANSARY: Eight.

Q Eight?

MINISTER ANSARY: Approximately. Up to 8, yes.

Q Mr. Secretary, if you exclude oil from the

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total trade between the two countries, wouldn't that mean
that the $15 billion is almost wholly U. S. exports
to Iran?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Well, there will be an
imbalance in our favor. (Laughter.)

Q What does that mean?

MINISTER ANSARY: May I please answer
that?

Iran, as you know, is developing very rapidly.
GNP would go up about 41 percent in real terms this
year in Iran. It's envisaged to average no less than
25.9 percent in real terms in the next three years. This
means that our needs for equipment, capital goods,
industrial raw material, spare parts and accessories
will continue to be great in the next decade; that
industrialization in our country is going at full speed;
and, therefore, we feel that although the principle of a
balanced trade is always very much on our mind, this
is a period during which the expansion of trade with our
leading trading partners will continue to be unbalanced.

Q Mr. Secretary, do you now regard the sale
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American foreign policy?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: No. We adjust this to the situation as it exists. Here we're dealing with a country that is a signatory of the Nonproliferation Treaty that is prepared to observe all of the safeguards that are appropriate to the countries that have signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty; and, therefore, we make our judgments on the basis of the necessity that the country perceives.

In the case of Iran, there is an attempt to develop alternative sources of energy. It is not a deliberate policy of the United States to spread nuclear technology around the world. This was a case where it was suitable for the necessities of one of our most important trading partners.

Q Mr. Minister, I'm a little confused. Have corporate contracts already been signed for the construction of these eight nuclear power plants?

MINISTER ANSARY: No. The agreement has been reached in principle, and that is indicative of Iran's readiness to place these orders subject to the other terms and conditions being negotiated later on.

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Q Mr. Minister, going back to the previous question, when oil is included in the two-way trade between the two countries, where is the balance in favor then?

MINISTER ANSARY: It is still highly in favor of the United States, for the time being.

Q Do you know the figures offhand, Mr. Minister, of what is the balance at the moment -- on how much the United States is paying for Iranian oil?

MINISTER ANSARY: I think your question had two different portions. Are you asking for the figures of trade between the two countries at this time?

Q Yes. And the oil figures separately -- yes, sir.

MINISTER ANSARY: The amount of oil, I think, is not very large at this time. It has been, perhaps, increasing. But as far as the non-oil trade is concerned, the latest figure is about $700 million in the past 12 months -- exports from the United States to Iran -- as against $50 million imports from Iran to the United States.

Q Mr. Minister, how much of the increased trade will be in armaments?

MINISTER ANSARY: Do you want to answer that

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question? (Refers to Secretary Kissinger.)

SECRETARY KISSINGER: None of the increased trade will be in armament. If there were an increase of armament sales, that would be in addition. These figures do not include any increase in armament sales. They do include the existing level of armament, but no increase.

Q How about --

MINISTER ANSARY: In other words, any increase would have to be added to this figure.

Q What do you compute the existing level of armament sales to be -- armaments trade to be -- of that $15 billion?

MINISTER ANSARY: It is presently running at approximately one and a half billion dollars a year.

Q So under this agreement, your non-oil exports -- U. S. exports to Iran -- would go from approximately $700 million a year at present to $3 billion a year.

MINISTER ANSARY: Approximately, yes.

Q Mr. Minister --

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Q Mr. Minister, forgive me, I am a little confused by this figure. You say a billion and a half a year in arms; that over a five-year period would alone be seven and a half billion. So, are we to understand that half of this $15 billion of projected trade would be in arms?

MINISTER ANSARY: Well, this is the present level. And the $15 billion is a rough estimate of what we think will develop in trade between the two countries. But I must say to you that our estimate of the rate of increase for non-armament, non-oil trade is really in fact much higher than the figure that we have mentioned. But we tried to take a middle course.

Q Would you tell us how you see the unfolding of trade? I think there is a little confusion here.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: We have to have a little consultation here to get this straightened out (laughter.) Because if the trade is $700 million now --

MINISTER ANSARY: Yes?

Q We have a total actually of $2.2 billion, if you add the 1-1/2 billion of American arms exports, less seven hundred million of non-oil exports to Iran, that gives us 2.2 billion in at least the current yearly trade from the United States. And you said the American imports

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from Iran are running at about 50 million dollars. You
didn't answer the other question about how much oil is
being purchased from Iran. Is it insignificant?

MINISTER ANSARY: I said it is not a very large
figure at this time. I don't recall the exact amount. But,
you see, at 2.2 billion, military and non-military
trade, from a figure of 2.2 billion to a figure of 3 billion
a year which has been envisaged as a target in the present
agreement, you have a jump of approximately 30 percent a
year.

Q How much, sir, of the 3 billion a year in
the new totals that you see will be in arms and non-arms?

MINISTER ANSARY: Well, we have already gone through
that. At the present level of one and a half billion,
seven and a half billion of the fifteen billion would be
arms if this continues. The other seven and a half
billion would be non-oil, non-military trade.

Now, it is running at 700 million a year now,
so in fact this is really a considerable jump.

Q Well, Mr. Minister, your figures on here
say your total cost of the projects that are listed runs
twelve billion dollars a year.

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MINISTER ANSARY: Where I must explain to you, for the Secretary and myself, is that the implementation of these projects which we have agreed upon, as the Secretary explained, would run over a period of time.

Now, this in fact means that we are envisaging a jump in the regular trade between the two countries of at least thirty percent a year.

Q. Eight hundred million dollars a year.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I think we had better do some research on that armaments figure and give you -- and after we have achieved a consensus on what we are all talking about, we'll let you know within the hour. I think that would be a more reliable way of proceeding, because we may be operating from different base figures here.

Q. Mr. Secretary, in here you are talking about non-military -- Oh, I'm sorry, non-oil trade. I'm sorry, excuse me.

Q. Mr. Secretary, I'd like to ask a question about the communication aside from matters that have been under discussion for the past few minutes. In the reference to the Commission agreeing on the terms and conditions which will assure mutual benefits, subject to prevailing rules and regulations of each country--this is on long-term

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investment -- could you elaborate, sir, on that phrase, "the prevailing rules and regulations?"--also, you, too, Mr. Minister--for each country with special reference to the subject of selective buying and boycotts, and all that kind of thing.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Well, of course, Iran has never been part of any boycotts that we are familiar with. As far as the United States is concerned, we are in the process of establishing investment policies for foreign investment. But the reference here therefore is to the domestic legislation of each country with respect to the investment in each country of the other. The question of boycott does not apply to Iran.

Q Mr. Secretary, isn't this the kind of bilateral deal that you criticized in the early days of the energy crisis?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: It specifically excludes oil. The bilateral deals we were commenting upon earlier were those in which each country attempted to make separate arrangements for oil.

Q Mr. Minister, would you elaborate somewhat on the establishment of Iran as a financial center for the region?

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What do you have in mind on this?

MINISTER ANSARY: Well, we are working on the
development of a capital market in Iran. And here we have
envisaged cooperation for the development of this market
with the assistance of the United States. As you know,
the absence of an important market between Zurich and
Singapore is felt considerably in our part of the world,
and we are planning on developing Teheran as an important
center for a capital market.

Q Mr. Secretary, although this agreement, as
with the Saudi arrangement, technically excludes the ques-
tion of oil, doesn't it appear to be an attempt to create
a special bilateral relationship which would then have
a carry-over effect in oil as well?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Nobody has ever proposed
that all economic relationships between oil producers and
consumers must be done on a multilateral basis.

As the Minister has pointed out, Iran has a bilateral
relationship with France, has another bilateral agreement
with the Federal Republic of Germany. So this is -- the
fact that we have these economic commissions to establish
bilateral economic links has been a well-known part of
our policy, and is also carried out by all of our partners

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in the IEA. It can have no direct effect on the question
of OPEC policy. What it does do, it gives an opportunity
to the resources that result from oil to be used for the
productive development of Iran, and the United States
participates in this.

Q Can you tell us how this agreement compares
with Iran's trade with other industrialized nations? Is
there any comparison you could supply?

MINISTER ANSARY: Yes. It exceeds the combined
amount of agreements that we have with the industrial
nations of Western Europe put together -- if that helps.

Q By how much?

MINISTER ANSARY: I would have to calculate.
Do you want me to do that?

Q Well, if you have got an approximate figure
there.

MINISTER ANSARY: By about a billion.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I thought he was going to
say about $25.00. [Laughter.]

Q Thank you, very much, sir.

[The briefing terminated at 4:07 p.m.]