Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHL NARA, Dato 5/13/04

TELECON
Secretary Rogers

7/15/71 11:35 a.m. p. 2

K: Yes. I will reaffirm everything we have said, but also say they have some responsibility for cooling the situation there.

R: You going to tell them how many hours were spent?

K: No. I will say nothing about substance to anybody.

R: And I will say that it is consistent with the President's policy of trying to improve relations all over the world.

K: If we don't somehow reassure them everyone will think we have got a secret agreement of some kind. Maybe we should get together. I think this is going to be troublesome.

K: I think Bob wanted to leave early.

R: I'll be over in 15 minutes.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KML V

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELECON
The President

7/15/71 1:25 p.m.

K: Mr. President.

P: I just thought I'd impress Brandon a little. Is he there?

K: I am in the office; I came in to take the call. I just asked him and his wife to come over as a social occasion.

P: And is he there now?

K: On the proch.

P: This will build up the mystery. Really I think he is a decent man. You ought to get his views on those Pentagon papers. And I think without telling him a thing . . . Let's see, what could you say . . . ?

K: I don't think I should even hind. It will just be a general foreign policy discussion. It's better if he thinks afterward how cool these people are.

P: That's right. But he'll look back on this and think . . . Oh, one thing I did want to talk to you about. One thought I had; I talked to Haldeman -- I thought you and I and Rogers should have breakfast with Mike at 7:45 before the leaders on Monday.

K: Excellent.

P: Say when you call him that we want to talk to him in total confidence. Don't tell him what it is -- say you can guess what it is. Tell him I have total confidence in him. You and Rogers and . . . breakfast at 7:45 and then the leaders meeting.

K: I'll tell him it's a matter he and the President have often discussed, but I cannot tell him about it and the President asks him not to talk to anyone about it. I'll say the President feels that he would like to have breakfast with him, and that we are going to ask the leaders tomorrow for a meeting.

P: Not today?

K: No.

P: I thought right after the speech, or before.

K: Oh yes, we will. Let's say they are going to be invited to meet and I

TELECON
The President

7/15/71 1:25 p. m. p. 2

By KML

NARA, Dato

P: Just say they are going to be invited and I would like a private talk with him in total confidence. Say this is not in the interest of politics, but in the nation's interest, and all that yak, yak. You know Mike loves the Chinese.

K: What can they say. What did we not consult them on? You put it in your foreign policy reports, in your speech. The only thing you didn't consult them on was tactics.

P: The thing about China which I wrote myself is really a damn good prophetic thing.

K: Absolutely. I will call it to their attention.

P: And that was in '67, before I was a candidate, after my world tour.

K: That's right.

P: All right. Go back to Henry, and tell him we were discussing the bombing of Hanoi.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

Mr. Kissinger/Doty

TelCon:7/15 - 2:15

K: How are you?

D: Fine Henry. Congratulations on your tour. It is very nice - great job. I am now up at Stanford working over some of the things I thought I would discuss with you. I have a paper on the test ban. Also the radar (?)

K: Good, let's start with that.

D: And then we have some specific questions on our Moscow trip. We are scheduled to leave on August 18th.

K: Good, that sounds great. Let's get together soon, say within the next week or ten days.

D: OK.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KCLW

NARA, Dato.

TELECON
Governor Reagan
7/15/71 2:52 p.m.

K: Where can I call you around 7:30 tonight our time?

R: You can interrupt my dinner at my home. The number is
916/442-2262.

K: The President is going to make an announcement of some inter-
national significance tonight. I wanted to have a chance to talk to you
before you make any comment. He will make it at 7:30, and only spend
10 minutes on it. I will have our operator positioned to call you as soon as
over. If there's any slip-up, if you could wait to make a comment till I
have talked to you and the President would appreciate it.

R: Yes Henry, don't worry. I won't be seeing anyone.

By KM V

NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON
Deputy Secretary Packard

7/15/71 2:57 p. m.

K: I don't know whether you say the bulletin yet, but the President is making a statement on nationwide television tonight. We are instructing all the departments that there is to be no speculation ahead of time and no comment after of any kind, foreground, background, anything else. This is something the President feels very strongly about, so let's make sure there is to be no discussion.

P: We'll clam up.

K: Good. See you tomorrow. I need about 15 minutes with you alone about something I need to discuss with you.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHLW NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON
Senator Mike Mansfield

7/15/71 4:20 p.m.

K: ... which he has often discussed with you, and he hopes you will approve of it.

M: I will be listening.

K: He would appreciate it if you would not mention that much to anyone. We are coming back Sunday. The President is calling a leaders meeting for Monday morning. He wonders whether you would come to the leaders meeting and have breakfast with him, Rogers and me before the meeting. We won't have Scott because ... well, we won't have Scott. But he can give you a fuller briefing than in the larger group.

M: I will be glad to be there.

K: Look forward to seeing you at 7:45 on Monday.

By KM U

NARA, Dated 5/12/04

TELECON

The President

7/15/71 ca. 3:15 p.m.

P: You didn't have to come over. I just wanted to . . .

K: No, I called Reagan just to place him. He is going to be at home eating dinner. I told him to say nothing till we talked. I called Packard, Halms, and Moorer to make sure no one speculates because there's been a bulletin already. And to make sure no one gives any explanation afterward. I will start calling Goldwater and others an hour from now, and get LBJ positioned near a phone.

P: We leave about 5:30 or 5:40.

K: Will that give us enough time?

P: It's only 40 minutes up there. That gives enough time.

K: Oh yes. That gives me plenty of time to talk to these people. I think we have got this well-programmed. We've got an operator for each of these people.

P: Good, they are so great too.

K: They'll have one man on the line while the other is talking.

P: I'm glad you brought Brandon over. He's a good man. And she's a beautiful girl.

K: Yes she is.

P: He is going to have the best story of all. That he spent a half hour with her.

K: Yes, that he spent a half hour with you and how calm you were.

P: I think it's good, don't you? He'll position some of these people.

K: And he's got tremendous prestige with these others.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KML

NARA, Dato

TELECON
Admiral Moorer

7/15/71 3:05 p.m.

K: I don't know whether you say the bulletins yet, but the President is making a major statement this evening. We are calling all the departments to make sure of two things: one, that no one speculates ahead of time what it is about, and two, that no one comments afterward on it. There is to be no interpretation of any kind. You are not the worst problem. . . you are not a problem in this. But we are calling everyone.

M: I'll pass that word along and make sure it's taken care of.
And I'll see you tomorrow.

By KH U NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON
Director Helms
7/15/71 3:00 p.m.

K: I don't know whether you say the bulletin yet, but it will be reaching you any minute. The President is going on TV with a statement about 10:30 this evening your time. He hasn't said what it's about, but everyone will be grinding around trying to find out. We want no speculation of any kind from any department on any basis, and no analysis after on any basis. It's as solemn an order as he's given.

H: I'll insure it right now. And I'll see you tomorrow.

K: Good. And I want to see you alone for about 15 minutes tomorrow.

H: Okay, before or after the meeting?

K: Let's do it after.

By KCU NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON
The President

7/15/71 5:15 p.m.

K: I talked to Mansfield. I said the President wanted to talk to me to call you. He is giving a speech on a subject too sensitive to discuss on these phones. But he hopes you will agree with what he's saying. He said "I'll be watching." I said the President wanted to know whether you would be free for breakfast before the leaders meeting and you will be the first he will talk to.

P: What did he say?

K: He mumbled something about his prayers being with you.

P: He thinks it's Vietnam.

K: Oh certainly.

P: And he's one who would have been pleased if it were. He's one of the few who really wants us to get out and succeed in that respect. The guy is a decent man.

K: But also very partisan.

P: Oh hell yes, and he knows what this means.

K: But given your background in it . . .

P: Has anything broken on it yet?

K: No. Ziegler wouldn't even say whether it was domestic or foreign. And the departments are going crazy -- should they keep extra staffs on hand and all that. We just told them we've got something for you.

P: That's good. I don't think it will break now. The news will be over at 7:30.

K: The news is over there. All the people we are calling have been alerted.

P: Good, and it's going okay and you will get Reagan and Johnson?

K: Yes, I talked to Reggan, just to tell him to stand by.

P: And he was appreciative.

K: Right. The only slip was Goldwater. He was flying to California but we'll get him as soon as he lands.

By KHC

NARA, Date 5/13/04

TELECON
The President

7/15/71 5:15 p. m. p. 2

P: Did you reach him?

K: Yes.

P: But you didn't tell him what it was.

K: No.

P: Because he'd call the press right away. This is one we've done right Henry. And of course, there will be some disappointment because it's not Vietnam. But to have said that it's not Vietnam would have taken the bloom off of it.

K: Oh, of course.

P: Doesn't it show that sometimes . . . Basically the whole passion for briefing and consulting is nuts. I'm not going to brief any KX except on something I want public.

K: And anything we put into the bureaucracy is what we want to become public.

P: The Bruce thing, hell.

K: Bruce, Sisco.

P: Well, that's one of those things.

K: And also the way the security has held throughout the trip.

P: Oh that was beautiful. I will write the guy a personal hand-written note.

K: That would be a very generous act.

P: We certainly got Brandon confused. That was a nice touch for him. He will go back and try to write everything he saw.

K: And you said, beyond these waters lie Chix Hawaii and China . . .

P: And he said, "I was in Hanoi in '53." I said I was too -- it's a beautiful city. You know, he's liberal but he's fair. He must be a little contemptuous of what's happened. Did you get into the Pentagon thing today

By KHC U

NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON
The President

7/15/71 5:15 p.m. p. 3

K: Oh yes. I said don't you think these papers are just making our job impossible. He said he had to admit it.

P: It's hard for him -- all his friends are in it. Reston and all -- he'll write a nasty story.

K: He can't.

P: He'll write it to pick up everything he can to try to prove it doesn't mean anything.

K: Every editorialist they've had is a liberaloid. But not one critical story on you has come out on China.

P: Maybe we are dealing with a different class of things.

K: Of course if they hit us they'll hit us hard, but they are not as insecure and petty as the Russians.

P: They'll jump up and down a little. But I just read the statement over, and I think it is pretty good when you think of two years' work to get it to 400 words is pretty good.

K: It's a very strong statement.

P: And it also sums up our whole foreign policy in a way. Okay Henry, see you in 15 minutes.

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON
Secretary Laird
7/15/71 5:20 p.m.

K: I understand that you got nuclear weapons to Korea too.

L: Don't get carried away by these stories.

K: No, I'm just pulling your leg.

L: I handled that very well Henry.

K: Mel, where I was they didn't even cover this stuff.

L: It went along very well. We didn't even get into that.

K: I know your views on this well enough to know that. Mel, the
President is making a major statement tonight at 7:30 our time, 4:30
your time. He wants no speculation on any sort before then.

L: Right.

K: And no comment of any kind afterwards. He wants the departments
to shut up about it. There is to be no comment by anybody. I talked to
Packard about it, but didn't want you to sit out there in Hawaii without
knowing what is coming off.

L: Right.

K: When are you coming back?

L: Sunday.

K: Well, make sure you don't comment on it at all out there. There
will be a Cabinet meeting on Monday to cover it.

L: What does it cover Henry?

K: I can't discuss it on the phone.

L: Does it have to do with your trip?

K: It discusses some foreign policy matters. You will see it in a few
hours. And I can talk to you about it tomorrow.

L: Okay Henry. I am sending you a memo, one on SALT and one on
the budget. On SALT I've got a few thoughts that should get through to you
before you get back Sunday. And also the one on Vietnam -- should I send
them to San Clemente?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KNV NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON
Secretary Laird

7/15/71 5:20 p.m. p. 2

K: If they're done, yes.

L: Yes they are.

K: Okay.

L: How long is he going to be on Henry?

K: He's been withdrawing Mel, I really don't know how long.

L: We'll be listening. I won't comment on my press conference Saturday about it at all.

K: Terrific.

L: Should I talk to the Pentagon?

K: I talked to Packard. I told him this was very serious.

L: I could have a memo sent out.

K: But they make sure they don't leak the memo. Oh well, you know your department and how to handle it. Whichever way makes sure there is no comment.

By KHL

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELECON
The President

7/16/71 1:53 p. m.

P: I just wanted to be sure you check with Ron to see whether they got a statement from Reagan. It's very important in terms of our right-wing friends. Just tell Reagan it's important for him to step up and hit it. I don't just want the libs saying this. Someone told me Stennis is for it. We've got more support from the conservatives than we think.

K: I talked to Moorer and he said he would talk in support of it to anyone we wanted.

P: And he agrees?

K: Oh yes.

P: I think all the good conservatives do. But this Reagan thing is one you ought to follow. Is Buckley coming to your party?

K: I'll call him this afternoon.

P: Just tell him you are looking forward to seeing him Monday night. I got a report from Scalli; he thought you did a terrific job this mo

K: Isn't that nice.

P: And true!

K: Alex Johnson is getting on it, and I talked to Bill -- he is all right.

P: Of course he is. You made it look like he was in on it right from the beginning. But it's right for the record now. But does Alex really feel good about it?

K: Yes.

P: He's no peacenik, he's a decent man. What did Peterson think? I didn't get to ask him.

K: He thinks it is very exciting. He is here now in fact.

P: Oh, tell him to give you his judgment on Kennedy. I asked him for that and he said he'd think it over and tell me Monday. You ask him.

K: I talked to Packard. He will stay as Deputy Secretary but is not willing to go to Japan.

TELECON
The President

7/16/71 1:53 p.m. p. 2

By KHC NARA, Dato 5/12/04

P: Oh no. We don't want him to go to Japan. We want him as Deputy. Peterson, take him completely into your confidence. Tell him what you and I discussed . . . or, let's see, how can we do this?

K: I'll leave that for you to tell him.

P: No . . . . . Okay, but say to him the President has an excellent idea, and then . . . tell him you and I were chatting and there is an important thing want him to do . . .

7/16/71 2:00 p.m.

P: One thing Henry, if you would tell Buckley on the one hand and Reagan on the other that this is, for reasons they will understand when you talk to them in more detail later, something of great importance to me. There is no one in the world less euphoric about the Chinese than I. I consider that what the conservatives say is more important for influencing the conservative community than anyone else.

K: I will do that immediately.

P: It isn't comfortable for some people to see the New York Times and McGovern supporting it. I mean I don't mind. Anyone who wants to can support it, but this is very important.

By: K.L. U NARA, Dato 5/12/04

The President/Mr. Kissinger

TelCon 7/16/71 - 2:45

K: Mr. President, I am sorry I did not know you were on the phone.

P: Oh that is all right. I don't let that bother me.

K: I haven't reached Buckley yet.

P: Now I want you to get a hold of Ziegler and tell him to get
Reagan's statement out. I want him to do this in this minute.

K: I talked to Joe Alsop. He said it was a most brilliant move
of the American Government.

P: That is great. It is incredible.

K: He talked mostly to Haig but he said it is a revolutionary in
our foreign policy - absolutely tremendous.

P: That is wonderful. Absolutely great. Joe is smart. You are
going to see Joe on Monday night for dinner.

K: Exactly Mr. President and I will let you know then what he says.

P: You will get in touch with Buckley. I asked Manolo how he
felt about it and he said he thought I did the right thing.
I told Manolo Dr. Kissinger went to Peking and I want him to
tell you what he thinks. Here is Manolo. You know Manolo is
an international man.

K: What do you think Manolo?

M: In my opinion it was a big thing. It is the biggest thing in the
20th Century. I think it is a great victory for America.

K: Thank you Manolo. That is very reassuring.

M: No one else could do it.

TELECON
Under Sec. Irwin
7/16/71 4:48 p.m.

By KML NARA, Date 5/12/04

I: My congratulations.

K: Thank you.

I: What a wonderful piece of personal diplomacy.

K: Aren't you nice.

I: It will keep you in the history books for centuries to come.

K: Only if it works well.

I: And what a dramatic moment when he spoke last night. Henry, I wanted you to know in case it's of interest. In the Senate . . . you know the instructions from you to take low-key opposition to the amendment. That is what Tresize did. But the Senate by a vote of 60 to one didn't include the amendment. The House committee reported the bill out without including the amendment. Then it got to the floor and Gerry Ford -- I am told, I haven't had a chance to check it out -- spoke to McGregor and asked the Administration attitude, and Clark said it was opposed to it. So apparently on the floor Ford urged opposition to it and the amendment was put back in by 50 votes. Now it's going to conference. I wondered if there was anything from your point of view whether something should be said to the conference . . . Tresize feels a few words there might have them leave it out.

K: I have no reason to change the position we took. But let me talk to McGregor on Monday. Is that time enough?

I: Oh sure. No need to do anything, but if you wanted it out, it's possible to get it out with a low-key approach to the conference.

K: Let me talk to McGregor.

By KCL-WS

NARA, Dated 5/12/94

TELCOM
Herb Kaplow/Kissinger
8:45 a.m. 7/18/71

Kaplow: ? ? ? ? ? ?

HAK: There's going to be wild speculation from now on. We won't talk about negotiations.

Kaplow: The other point is that he's planing to go to Hanoi after Peking.

HAK: I wouldn't go wild on either of these. *** This is stri off the record.

Kaplow. Then don't give too much credence to this?

HAK: No.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHL

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELCON
Rogers/Kissinger

9:08 a.m.

7/18/71

R: I didn't want to talk with the President about this but did you see the memorandum of conversation the VP had with Mobutu on China?

K: Oh, Jesus!

R: We have to get word out not to talk.

K: We told him very strongly he shouldn't comment. We didn't say anything about other leaders.

R: (They will get it to the press.) He also said we would support a "two Chinas" policy.

K: I will get a cable out.

R: ? ? ? ? All instructions will come from us and I will tell everyone to shut up. I will talk with you on the plane

K: Should I send a message off to him?

R: I think you should. I don't want to discuss it with the President.

TELECON

Secretary Rogers

7/17/71 9:18 a.m.

By: KML NARA, Dato: 5/12/04

R: It played well.

K: I thought so.

R: If you have got these memcons I would like to have Peter Johnson bring them over so I can read them. Secondly, we ought to think about what we are going to do on Chinese representation, so that I can have something I can talk with on Monday. In the meantime, I think we should take a look at my statement on universality. That avoids the political problems of the two Chinas. It gives a rationale unrelated to your visit. The only problem we'd have is with Korea.

K: But we would have a major one with Peking. If you say universality that means that Taiwan ought to be represented. Whereas if you say that as long as they are in there they might as well stay, that makes it more pragmatic.

R: No, I don't think so. It seems to me that any way we do it we're running into the problem you mentioned.

K: What they have heard and said will just prolong the ___________ about admission and 2/3 for expulsion.

R: But what is the reason that we should change our position? There are two possibilities: One, something resulting from this trip . . .

K: But this was our position anyway.

R: Second, we believe that any nation which exists should be represented.

K: Third is if a country has been in the UN, to expel it is something so important that it should only be done by a 2/3 vote.

R: That's okay. I have no problem with that. But you claim we are in the same place if we win and I think we'll lose. I feel sure it's going to be construed that we made a deal and Taiwan went down the drain. The other is only a rationale.

K: But Peking will __________ this is a step toward two Chinas. On the other they'll figure as soon as they have got one-third they can get them out of there. Have you noticed that __________ made a public statement saying he was sure that we wouldn't sell them out.

R: No.

By KCLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELECON
Secretary Rogers

7/17/71 9:18 a.m. p. 2

make a good showing of it. That's the problem I see.

K: But why is that so? We thought we had a majority a few weeks ago.

R: But there's been a lot of slippage. In addition to that at the time on the surface it appeared to favor admission it was really to keep Taiwan in and them out. Now we've lost that; everyone will say the U.S. favors admission of the PRC. Which means that we'll lose many unless we make a determined effort to save Taiwan. I don't know how we can't do that. I gave Al a copy of that statement; take a look at it. It is possible to state it in a way that is not inconsistent with your conversations. But it is important not to seem inconsistent with what you reported.

K: Let me take a look at the statement. I think there is really just a shade between you and me.

R: There's no real difference. The only problem is to make it look like every effort was made to save Taiwan. It's not easy. But if the whole ball game is lost before we get there it will look like a sellout. Shall I send Peter Johnson over to get it?

KXXSKMXXMX

K: No, let me send it to you. They are working on it now. I can have it to you in an hour or so.

By KHC U

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELECON

Joe Alsop

7/17/71 10:45 a.m.

K: We are coming back early enough tomorrow for dinner and I think it's safer than Monday.

A: That's perfectly heavenly. I'll expect you. I sort of asked the Haigs, but I think it's better for all of us to do it Sunday.

K: I don't mind having the Haigs there.

A: It's sort of complicated, because I don't have enough servants.

K: Do you want to forget it?

A: No, I'd rather have you.

K: I have something at 7:30 on Monday and feel it would be safer.

A: Okay, what time?

K: 7:30 or 8.

A: Good good.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By KHC NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELECON

Nelson Rockefeller

7/17/71 11:05 a.m.

R: You did it! Fabulous. Isn't this the most exciting thing!

K: I told you we were going to give them something to think about.

R: But I didn't know which one.

K: The other is still cooking.

R: Marvelous. What kind of reaction from your friend from the Soviet Union?

K: It rattled his teeth.

R: Have you seen him since?

K: No, I called him on the telephone and read the announcement. I said you have two choices: you can continue in the present improvement of relations or you can go through an agonizing reappraisal. I said we are ready for either. It's up to you.

R: What language did you use?

K: English.

R: And they had no idea?

K: No. Some day I will tell you how it was done; it was real James Bond.

R: Did you fly from Pakistan?

K: Yes.

R: And land in Peking?

K: Yes, but the Paks were flying people who were supposed to see me to place I was supposed to be in all day.

R: They must have enjoyed that.

K: They haven't had as much fun since the last Hindu massacre. I was the first official American visitor in 22 years.

R: Your press was fabulous. the columns and comments were terrific. The President must have been thrilled.

K: I applied some of your teaching about doing something daring and unex

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON

Nelson Rockefeller

7/17/71 11:05 a.m. p. 2

R: Exactly/ The reaction of the Democrats must have been unbelievable.

K: Annex Alice Longworth called yesterday and said she was worried that Harriman wouldn't make it through the week. He is working on an appplectic fit. I think when Lindsay goes over to the Democratic party he'll just be part of the heap.

R:

K: They haven't got a good issue, and don't know what else we might be pl.
And if you were in the ______ right now you wouldn't be very comfortable.

R: It's thrilling. When did Rogers get aboard.

K: Officially all along, but really on my way back.

R: Ted's out making friends, and ______ is out there. So you had your friends out in the field. It leaves the Democrats absolutely quiet. Now, of course, they have got time. But then you have got a visit and then the impact on Vietnam.

K: And some other things may be happening, bataust I have had a meeting with the other group in Paris.

R: Marvelous. Was that in response to...

K: No, there was an intervening one.

R: Good. See you next week?

K: Yes, what day?

R: Thursday.

K: Good.

R: This is just unbelievable. Only you.

K: I don't know about that.

R: You saw these men a number of times?

K: Yes, about 20 hours.

R: Is he as impressive as he looks?

TELECON
Nelson Rockefeller

7/17/71 11:05 a.m. p. X 3

By KHL

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

K: Extraordinary. He and DeGaulle are the most extraordinary people I have met. Very impressive.

R: You think he is enthusiastic?

K: They have their own necessities. They are scared to death of the Russians or they wouldn't be doing this.

R: That came into this?

K: Oh yes.

R: Who did you take?

K: Winston Lord, John Holdridge, and Dick Smyser.

R: Oh yes, I read that. What language did you use?

K: I spoke English; he talked Chinese. Used one interpreter. But Holdridge understands Chinese and they didn't go off the reservation one bit.

R: I just think it's the most exciting thing. You must be really pleased.

K: We've had some rough months and terrible attacks.

R: I think this would make it easier everywhere.

K: Oh yes.

R: Certainly

By KML NARA, Dato 5/12/04

TELECON
Senator Tower

7/17/71 1:08 p.m.

K: I wanted to talk to you for a second, the phone isn't the best place to discuss this. I just wanted to say that after all the agone we have been through, we're not giving away the ball game at this stage. I wonder if you could defer your judgment until Tuesday when we have had a chance to meet.

T: I will.

K: You have to see this in the digger context. We have no illusions about the Communists.

T: I hoped that was the case, but haven't had the opportunity to discuss foreign policy at the White House lately.

K: I understand that. We just don't want to lose our old friends. I want to get together with you and a group of people like you at the White House on Tuesday and have a talk about it.

T: All right. Good.

By KHL

NARA, Dato_

5/12/04

TelCon: 7/17/71:1:40

Mr. Kissinger/Senator Buckley

B: Hello Henry.

K: Hello. I want to talk to you just for a moment and again later in Washington about this China move. Of course I cannot explain it on the telephone.

B: Yes, I understand.

K: People like the President and myself who have stood up to the Communists for the last fifteen years and especially these past two years did not do it to give it up now. I will call you next week in Washington and tell you about it. Of course, you will find that what I tell you will be still incomplete.

B: Yes, I can appreciate that.

K: No one is going to think that the people who have made the long march thru Korea and Vietnam have become gentler. We are doing this for our own objectives, which I think you will share.

B: When asked about my objectives - the reactionary spectrum . . .

K: From a foreign policy view it is so important. I don't care about the statement but we don't want to wind up being supported by the wrong people for the wrong reasons and lose our friends. I will call you next week.

B: I appreciate your calling.

By KCL-WS

NARA, Dato

5/12/04

TELECON
The President

7/17/71 2:28 p.m.

P: How did your meeting go?

K: With the Indian? He was as tame as a puppy dog; this has been a tremendous thing. I told him this isn't going to bring war. He was much tamer.

P: Good. Good.

K: I told him we had raised the gravest questions about ______ and other issues.

P: He was not as cocky as before?

K: No. Also talked to Tower; he said no problem, he was just making an initial statement to preserve his position. He looks forward to the meeting. I told him the President had not thought of going off the reservation. Buckley said he just staking out a position for his followers but understands. I said if there are any credentials the President and have they are on the anti-communist front. I said he had to understand it in strategic terms. He will say nothing else. There was no venom in what he said.

P: No, they had to say something. I understand that. Otherwise, they would look like puppy dogs going along with what looks like a turn in mid-air.

K: And if this works we have an enormous advantage in saying no one but us could do this.

P: One amusing thing; I talked with Colson. Teddy has said nothing. Muskie said he welcomed this symbolic act, but with whether it means anything will be determined by whether we do something about the arms race and ending the war.

K: That's like from Harriman. He now figures he can accuse us if S. screws up.

P: They are going through the agonies of hell.

K: The Indian was astame as he could be. We've started a new basis for foreign policy.

P: And with the Japanese too; they were getting cocky.

K: I'll have Ushiba in this week.