H. E. T. M. H. E. L. C.
S. S. O. F. O. M. U.
M. P. O. S. O. F.

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NAFU Date: 5/12/04

TelCon: 6:50-6/14/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Mr. Haldeman

H: Hello, Bob.

H: Yes.

K: Rogers is bagging the Jesus out of me about having Smith at the briefing.

H: Yes, I know. He called me about it to. Or he called me about going through a bunch of speaking engagements and stuff and then tossed that in and I said I didn't see how you could because you can't have him there and not have him speak and you can't have him there and have him speak. Therefore you can't have him there.

K: OK, so you settled it.

H: Well

K: What time was that?
Probably

H: [機] probably about 6:10.

K: Good, well it was after then I talked to him.

he

H: And he said he talked to you about it and then [機] said well I don't think we should have him go away mad and he has to testify on the Hill and I said yes, that is all the more reason why he shohldn't be there because he will be testifying on the Hill and of course all the material that will be covered will be made available to him but you can't get in the position that two people are briefing the same thing at the same time. And he said well - he didn't buy my argument.

K: Yes, but if he has [機] already appealed to you since I siad I would take it up with you and since you have already turned him down I can in good conscience stay out of it.

H: Oh yes, I think you can. He said well think about it or see what you can do and I said well I don't see how it wohld work out or something but OK. He knows that it was left as a closed deal.

K: OK well _________

H: Yes.

K: OK.

The President of the Republic of the Philippines

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H: I just don't think under any circumstances you want him there.

K: My judgment is that you can't have him there without letting him speak.

H: Right.

K: And once he speaks there is no telling how it is going to go.

H: That is right. And you just can't run that risk. Of course you can't handle yourself the way you want to if you have got him sitting him there.

K: Well.

H: You know, it is terribly important - that you - whatever we want the right way.

K: And there is something to be said, you know if I don't know the answer to a question for me to say Smith can cover that in his

H: That's right.

K: I frankly don't know the precise answer.

H: That's right. In fact I think you ought to try to do that somewhere along the line.

K: Yes. Well on a lot of the details I don't know the precise answer.

H: Yes, yes. It would be good, if you can.

K: OK. Well then I will just forget about it. Now you have got to get him turned off for a press conference on Friday.

H: Who?

K: Rogers.

H: Is he on one for Friday now?

K: Well you see the President - in order to get him off Issues and Answers was sort of a mumbling press conferences are better. And afterwards - he will be to me -- and he also said take your orders from Haldeman on this.

H: Who, Rogers?

The President's Office

The President's Office

Receptionist's Report

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By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/12/84

K: Yes, or Colson. He said those two always know what we want. Afterwards he said to me well I got him off Issues and Answers and I set it up for Haldeman to get him off press conferences.

H: (Laughing) great. Well he didn't raise it with me. I'll call Colson. He may have sneaked that one by Chuck.

K: Right. Because all the arguments - I mean every argument I had against the President giving one (is three times blind to him ?)

H: Yes. That is right. OK

K: OK Good.

H: _________

K: Well that is really - that is all I had. I had my daily call from Taft Schrieber.

H: Did you. How did he sound.

K: Well he was wailing because John Wayne had told him he was eager to meet me and I said Haldeman or someone was going to be dealing with you.

H: OK. I think we can work it out.

K: Well look. You know now that _________ just work it out anyway you want.

H: Yes, OK.

K: But that is not the main thing. I will just keep Smith away than.

H: Good.

K: OK good, thank you.

H: Thank you - goodbye.

U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. V. NASA Date: 5/23/72

TelCon: 6:58-6/14/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Mr. Rabasa

K: Hello.

R: Hello Professor, how are you.

K: Emilio how are you.

R: I am more of a Washingtonian now than you. I have been so often here.

K: Where are you. You're at Camp David, aren't you.

R: No. I stayed at the Embassy. Look Henry I would like to speak to you this evening if I may shall we say at your office or your home or whereever it is suitable for you. What time - where could we meet.

K: I have to testify before a Congressional committee tomorrow.

R: M Yes, it wouldn't take long.

K: Well I know that, and I also

R: And I always come to the point.

K: No, no I know. And I respect you for it. But I have to talk to you because I have a specific proposal also. And - where are you going to be.

R: I am at the Mexican Embassy and I am going to stay here. Tonight at the Mexican Embassy I am going to stay and I have nothing to do but to meet with you.

K: Look. Why don't we do this. Rather than inconvenience you, why don't I stop by the Mexican Embassy on the way home.

R: That is wonderful.

K: It would be brief - about half an hour or so.

R: That is wonderful.

K: But that may not be before 9 o'clock.

R: Whatever time you say.

DECLASSIFIED
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It is not known at the time of this communication
if the person so addressed is still in office.

By: K.H. V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: Can I just call you, say 15 minutes before I leave.

R: I won't leave here, but I am sure we will meet tonight.
our

K: No, you can count on/meeting tonight.

R: Fine. Then whatever time is suitable for you my dear Henry I will be
waiting for you. You say more or less around 9 o'clock, no.

K: Yes, about 9 oc'clock. I have to work through my testimony now. And
incidentally I can't(?) sit in with the President.

R: I'm sorry.

K: But

R: You're going to meet(?) one of these days, no.

K: Well you know I am going to China again.

R: When?

K: Tomorrow night.

R: (laughing) Well busy traveller.

K: Oh, you didn't know that.

R: No, I didn't know that. I knew you were in Japan because you told me and I read it in the papers in Mexico. And then I knew you were back because the President of Mexico said it. You cover many times our front pages in Mexico, but I did not know you were going to China.

K: Well, tomorrow if my testimony gets finished before the end of the morning I will come into the meeting with your President. Otherwise, I don't know what his schedule is. I would be glad to call on him briefly at Blair House.

R: Ah, he will meet you anytime.

K: Well, do you have his schedule in front of you.

R: No, but but I know tomorrow well he goes to the White House, then he goes back to Blair and from there he goes to the Senate, if I am not

The President's Office in Washington, D.C.

The State of the Union Address

President's Note

DECLASSIFIED
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By: K.J. W. NASHA, D.C.C.

5/13/04

mistaken. I can show it to you precisely.

K: Well, we will figure out a time tomorrow.

R: Fine. ______ with us.

K: Well, I was hoping to be able to be at the meeting also.

R: We count

K: No, no you can count on my friendship in any event and

R: Thankyou.

K: And we will be -- you know have a very constructive meeting.

R: I hope so because there is a lot of expectation expectations from this meeting ______.

K: Right. Even if you don't call me Professor.

R: Alright. I will be here at the Embassy around 9 o'clock - more or less - but whatever time is suitable for you.

K: It may slip to XX 9:30.

R: Or 10 or 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock. You telephone me.

K: Terrific.

R: Thank you very much Henry.

K: Goodbye.

R: Goodbye.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Folsom
By CNAR Date Sept 10

TelCon-7:52-6/14

Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Dobrynin

D: You see I would like your advice. I just received an answer on -
you remember we discussed about your ______ to Haig on this
implication on a ______

K: Yes.

D: and so on.

K: Yes.

D: I received it right now but unfortunately I have to go now outside.
So I propose any time to come to you late today or early tomorrow
morning. Or I could send Vorontsov to you right now.

K: Could you send Vorontsov to me right now.

D: Yes. I could because if you have something to say then I could come
after the party - actually quite frankly get ______ socialist
countries today at the Polish Embassy.

K: Well, I thought we were against blocs.

D: (Laughing) But only lightly(?)

K: Why don't you send Vorontsov. Have him come to my office.

D: Right now, yes.

K: Yes.

D: OK. If you have a question or anything please tell him then and then
if you have some comment to make, then I will make a report or -
but I am really prepared to come anytime to you after if you need
or tomorrow morning.

K: OK. Well, I have to testify tomorrow morning.

D: That is why I am calling you because I remember you mentioned it
to me. Otherwise I really wouldn't have bothered you today, but

K: Is it very different from what we said?

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By: CNARA Date: 05/05/55

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D: There are some, I don't really think there is a big difference.

K: Well let me take a look at it.

D: But it is better for you to look at it really, because formulations puts it on the line really that I mentioned to you there but you have to look in this manner(?). I could give you the text really from telegrams if that makes it easier.

K: So why don't you send it over with Vorontsov?

D: Right now he will come, all right?

K: Good. I understand they are installing that phone. Right.

D: Yes, it will be ready tomorrow - we will have it and then we will really have a very nice set.

K: Right. All we have to do then I understand is to pick up the phone.

D: I think it was really a very good positive step because it counts a lot, a lot.

K: Certainly.

D: And saves time.

K: You send Vorontsov over here.

D: He will go within 10-15 minutes, all right.

K: Good.

D: OK, he will be there.

K: Thank you.

D: Thank you very much.

TELCONE

Jerry Warren/Kissinger

10:19 p.m. - 6/14/72

K: Hello.

W: Hi Henry.

K: Jerry?

W: Yes sir.

K: Jerry, how are you going to produce the text of my statement?

W: What I was planning to do, but we can do it whichever way you wish, was to reproduce it after you said it as quickly as possible.

K: Is that time enough for the press?

W: It is I think unless you have something prepared that you are going to follow word-for-word. I think we could reproduce it after you said it well within 30 minutes after you said it.

K: Oh, really. Well, why don't I do this - why don't I give you a text then in the morning and then let them follow it as I read it. Then we don't have these snafus and if I change anything let them write it in.

W: That would be very, very helpful Henry.

K: OK, I'll give you a text by 8:30.

W: Fine. That would be very helpful.

K: Good.

W: Thank you

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

6/14/72 11:00

NNSA Date 5/13/04

The President's Office in the Senate of the Republic
President's Office

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TELCORN

Rabasa/Mr. Kissinger

10:45 p.m., June 14, 1972

K: Hello.
R: Hello, Henry.
K: I'm ready to leave -- I'm leaving now and I'll be right out.
R: I'll be waiting for you downstairs.
K: All I can tell you is you better yield, I'm in a bad mood.
R: (laughter) You're never in a bad mood.
K: Listen, I've got to win something someday.
R: You always win them all.
K: Not at all. But you and I are not talking in terms of winning or losing.
R: Absolutely.
K: We're both going to win.
R: Thank you.
K: In fact, that's the only way we'll be successful.
R: The only way I'll be in a job still.
K: You, of course. We'll talk in a minute.
R: Thank you. You want some coffee, sandwich or something.
K: No, I've had a sandwich here.
R: Okay, thank you.
K: Good.

NASA Date 5/12/72

Re: Mexican President to the open line
in his State of the Republic
Presidential Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.J. W. NAVA, Date: 5/13/04

TELCONE

Mexican Foreign Secretary Rabasa/Kissinger

8:26 a.m. - 6/15/72

K: Hello.

R: Good morning, Henry.

K: How are you?

R: Did you have a nice sleep?

K: Yes.

R: Fine. Henry, two things. First, my President will only be too happy to receive you after Congress and before going to the State Department at Blair House.

K: Good.

R: Then Henry this question about the quality, could you have some man there in the White House, whoever he is, to speak to my Minister of Hydraulic Resources to explain exactly what the quality will be better because this is a vital point for us and he can explain technically to our Commission exactly what he means by . . .

K: So far we haven't even made the formal offer yet, but why don't you get your Minister to call Mr. Jordan on my staff.

R: Exactly. What's the phone number? Why don't you have Mr. Jordan there this morning?

K: He can't be there. We never have him at these meetings.

R: How can we get them together?

K: Well, have your Minister call my office. We'll get him in touch with Jordan. Hold on, I've got the number here - 395-5004.

R: 395-5004.

K: Right.

R: This number will reach Mr. Jordan, no?

K: Exactly.

Receives oral Brief

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By: KMLV

NASA Date 5/12/04

R: Have Mr. Jordan explain to him exactly what is important for the substantial betterment of the water.

K: Right.

R: OK. Thank you, Henry.

K: I must run off now because I've got to testify, I've got to see the President on your business. I've absolutely got to run because I've got to explain this proposition to my President.

R: Fine. I'm merely ______. I'm putting this in a paper to my President so he will have a clear picture.

K: I beg your pardon.

R: I'm going to put this in a paper marked to my President so he will get to the interpreter and the interpreter can interpret it to your President exactly.

K: Right. And if you let me off the phone I'll get it in a memorandum to my President so that he knows what your President is talking about.

R: Run off. Thank you, Henry.

K: Right.

Re: [insert telephone number]

is the Sen. of the Republic

Public Records Office

TELCONE

Laird/Kissinger

6/15/72 - 8:31 a.m.

L: Henry.

K: Yes, Mel.

L: You may be asked this morning about the actions that the House Committee took in the strategic area.

K: Which was what?

L: They followed my recommendations completely. The House Armed Services Committee - the vote was 37 - 4 yesterday.

K: Well, I was going to attack you though, Mel.

L: No, but I mean the problem here is that I know some people want to back away from those add-ons and subtractions.

K: Mel, I'm going to give you 100% support. There isn't going to be the slightest backing away.

L: I don't want to back away from my friends over there either because they went 37 to 4 yesterday.

K: What I will do, Mel, if they ask me about an individual weapons systems I will say we support the Department of Defense and the Secretary of Defense. I cannot go into individual weapons systems here; that's not my field, but we back the entire program.

L: OK, fine.

K: Isn't that all right?

L: Yeh, that's important; that's absolutely important because this Committee is fighting it through and they'll support us on this strategic thing all the way and they're going to support the agreements and everything else.

K: Mel, I'm reading a brief statement which is a tough all-out support of your program and it says that our agreement to SALT was predicated on the Congressional support for your program.

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By: K.M.L. NAFU Date: 5/12/04

L: Very good.

K: I'm not going to back away. It's going to be a 100% support.

L: Ok, fine. Thank you.

K: And what I wanted to say to you is we want you to stick with your line no matter what State and ACDA say.

L: I will. I'm going to stay with that.

K: Good.

L: But we're winning on that line, Henry. We don't win if we back away and ______ all the time.

K: You're not going to have me backing away.

L: OK.

K: What I won't do is I won't go into the details of B-1, Trident and so forth because that's not my job. I'll just say we support the entire program.

L: OK, fine, Henry.

K: Isn't that right?

L: Sure, fine. That's fine. No problem.

K: And I will say nothing. . .

L: I've already presented it to the Committees of the Congress.

K: That's right and you will have no problem from me. On the contrary, you will have strong support.

L: All right. Bye, Henry.

Hachette Livre d'edition en France

Le Sénat et l'ambassade du Sénégal

Revue desaffaires étrangères

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TELCONE

McNamara/Kissinger

8:31 a.m. - 5/15/72

M: Henry.

K: Bob.

M: Henry, at the dinner party last night at the French Embassy the French director of the Bank was not present, but I did talk to the Ambassador about the Iraq oil problem. He said and I asked him specifically - would France be willing to defer the loan today. He said they did not want the loan deferred. Now I didn't ask them what they'd do if I deferred it; this is a rather technical problem and I won't go into all the details but under those procedures adopted by the Bank 25 years ago the Board cannot consider a loan the President doesn't recommend. This is a very important restriction on the Board's authority. However, the Board has maintained in the past that if the President presents a loan, he cannot then withdraw it. The Board can consider it and it's possible that France, and particularly the Scandinavian countries if I withdrew it would raise this point. But that isn't the real issue. The point is that the French don't want it withdrawn.

K: OK. Well, we have the wrong information then.

M: At least that's what he said.

K: OK.

M: Fine. Thanks, Henry.

K: I understand and this is just a theological point.

M: Yes. OK. Have a good trip.

K: Thank you. I've got to testify now on the goddamn SALT thing.

M: I know that. I know that. I'll see you when you get back.

K: Fine.

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Authority E1-1257
By CHNARA Date 6/15/72

TELCOM

Dobrynin/Kissinger
8:40 a.m. - 6/15/72

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol.

D: Good morning.

K: I'm sending over an oral note to you which puts in writing what I told Vorontsov yesterday. That's so we understand each other.

D: OK.

K: I believe that once your people look at the record they'll agree there is no other possible interpretation. And it isn't possible to count a missile for replacement that isn't counted in the original ceiling.

D: I didn't quite get what you said last time.

K: I mean I'm assuming that what the record sustains is that the only missiles that are counted on the G-class submarines are modern missiles and if they're not modern they cannot be used either for replacement nor are they counted in the total.

D: I understand. . . give your description of the modern.

K: That's right. We accept the definition of the modern.

D: Yeh.

K: Within that definition we count it. If they don't fall in that definition we don't count them.

D: Within our definition?

K: We accept your definition of a modern missile.

D: Oh yes.

K: But if it's not in that definition it doesn't count.

D: I understand.

Номер汤姆BSU 1001
of the Series of 1001
Publications Series

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TELCOM

Dobrynin/Kissinger

8:40 a.m. - 6/15/72

By: KHLW NASA Data 5/13/04

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol.

D: Good morning.

D: OK.

D: Yeh.

D: Within our definition?

D: Oh yes.

D: I understand.

Husqville Three the open House
of Representatives
of the Republic of
Netherlands

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Telcon

Ambassador Dobrymin/Mr. Kissinger

3:08 p.m. 6/15/72

D: Where will it go now? Into the Senate?

K: In the Senate, yes. But I think you'll be satisfied with what I
said about our relationship.

D: Will you publish just the summary?

M: We are giving it to the press.

D: The text of your speech so to speak or how will it be handled?

K: I don't know how they'll handle it, but we'll release it to the press.

D: It was a statement and then questions and answers?

K: Exactly.

D: How long did it take altogether?

K: About four hours. No closer to 3-1/2 hours.

D: Oh, that is very lengthy. Henry, about this gentleman, I forget his name, the ______ case, you remember from the very first?

K: Yes.

D: Their lawyers called us asking us what to do when because while we were in Moscow there was a hearing, I don't know what it was, and the judge says that he will assess them. I don't know the details but the judge confirmed the case stands, as it is I mean.

K: Well, let me do something about it when I come back.

D: Yeah, just look about this to close it one way or the other.

K: Well, you bring him back and we send him to jail, that will close it.

D: (laughter)

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Hearings Before the National Council on
the Deaf, on a Recommendation of
the Deaf Council of America

6/11/74 NASA, Data 5/12/74

D: (laughter) Oh, oh __________ in answering __________
difficult __________ but I think it much better to do something else.
He is there so lets finish, otherwise __________
mistaken.

K: Yes.

D: Yes. __________ so I mean __________

K: OK, well let me look into it.

D: __________ You will be back next

K: The 23rd.

D: 23rd, yes.

K: And I will have breakfast with you on the 24th.

D: Yes. 9 o'clock.

K: At your Embassy.

D: 9 o'clock.

K: Good.

D: Fine. Well I wish you the very best.

K: Thank you.

D: It is a very good connection really. (?) Can you hear me well.

K: Yes, very well.

D: Yes, I can hear you too. Well thank you very much and best wishes.

K: Thank you.

D: Bye.

K: Goodbye.

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Authority Foi/2587
By CNARA Date 5/1/72

TELCOM

Mr. Kissinger/Amb. Dobrynin

3:08 6/15/72

HAK: Anatoliy, I just wanted to see if this thing actually worked.

AD: It is really working well, right away. How's your hearings.

HAK: I will send you my testimony in a little while--they completely screwed up the transcript -- they left out all the sub-headings, but we'll get it over to you in one-half hour.

AD: I have seen it.

HAK: You have it already?

AD: Yes, I haven't read it, but it's here.

we
HAK: I think it went well. And you got my note on how I interpreted it.

AD: Yes, it is on one list right?

HAK: Yes, on one piece of paper.

AD: I understand what you mean. You are leaving when, tomorrow?

HAK: Later tonight, about 7:00.

AD: It will be a chance for you to say something in public

HAK: About this issue?

AD: Yes.

HAK: Oh no, that issue didn't really come up in that way. I may have made a comment on one aspect of it--it is not in any detail.

AD: Yes, I understand. But you have already finished, I mean in general.

HAK: Yes, I am finished

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E12358
By CNARA Date 5/1/72

Telcon

Ambassador Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

3:08 p.m. 6/15/72

K: We are giving it to the press.

K: Exactly.

K: Yes.

D: (laughter)