DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mrs. Cramer (Joyce)
12/18/70 3:00 p.m.

K: I didn't answer your nice note before because I didn't know when I was going to be out there. But now I know I will be out on the day after Christmas, not the day before, so I won't be able to come to your dinner.

C: Can you come out for dinner some time while you're here? What days are good for you?

K: This far in advance it doesn't make much difference, except the Wednesday evening of that week I am pretty sure I'll be busy.

C: That would be the 30th?

K: Yes.

C: And the next night is New Years Eve. Frankly I don't know what we're going to do that night. We may just spend a quiet evening at home. We hate large parties.

K: I do too.

C: Why don't I speak to Doug?

K: Or why don't you let me take you out for a change?

C: That's very kind, but we do love to entertain at home.

K: As long as you are definitely coming here in February we can do it on that basis.

C: Why don't I speak to Doug and call you back?

K: Good.

By. NARA, Dato

5/20

TELECON

Secretary Rogers/Mrs. Kissinger

4:06 p.m., December 18, 1970

R: On this Findley proposal of exchanging prisoners, I don't see any purpose. I don't see why Laird is excited about giving up 1500 people.

K: 8000 have already been offered for 1800 foreigners.

R: I'm not going to encourage Thieu to do that.

K: You would have the enthusiastic approval of the President.

R: Can you call Laird off?

K: I will before he goes over there.

R: It's not a good idea.

K: It's a propaganda stunt.

R: Suppose we let them all out and they go to Vietnam and nothing happens. We would look like idiots.

K: It is a silly proposal -- a gimmick.

R: It won't work. It makes us look silly. If we were dealing with reasonable people -- but we are not. This will play into their hands.

K: We have already released all their sick prisoners. I will make sure Laird understands the President agrees with you.

R: I don't think he should put pressure on Thieu.

K: There are enough things Thieu has to do for us next year.

R: I would think Thieu's own people would resent it. They would be released so they can come back and shoot his people.

K: I am happy you have that same view. I got the word to Eliot what my view was. I know the President agrees with you.

R: Okay; fine. Thank you.

lds

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon

John Ehrlichman

12/18/70 4:10 p.m.

E: Do you know anything about the Cuban fishing boats off of Florida? They are fishing inside what state claims the state claims is their waters.

K: How do they determine what their waters are?

E: By a line drawn up from the Keys.

K: They had better not go around sinking boats.

E: Krogh (?) authorized a restraining order against the state conservation commission. But that's temporary and apparently the state fellows are talking to each other down there about this, but I thought you ought to know about it.

K: I appreciate it and I'll get on it right away.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Barbara Walters

12/18/70 5:55 p.m.

] K: Did you take out my beard?

W: Why are you so worried about that?

K: I'm an egomaniac.

W: I should put that in the script too.

K: No, no. No direct quotations.

W: It's all done and all edited.

K: Good, are you pleased with it?

W: Yes, and it breaks very conveniently into three parts. One
is 10 minutes, one is 10 minutes and one is 10 and a half.

K: Couldn't have been more even. It's going to be on when?

W: Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday be ween 7:30 and 8:00,
which is a very good time. A lot of people will see it. I had only
one place where I took something from one section and put it on another
and there were parts where I cut something out when it was repetitious.
If you like I can read what I cut out, but I'd be boring you. You'd
rather discuss your beard. Do you want to hear it?

K: Go ahead.

W: We were talking about...

K: I've got someone in here. May I call you back.

W: Yes.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Laird
12/18/70 6:00 p.m.

L: I'd better just send this memo over on these budget priorities.

K: Okay.

L: I've got it all laid out in two pages and then the attachments.
The budget guidance now is . . .

K: 74.5

L: Yes, but the military assistance isn't in that. There is three hundred million for military assistance as an add-on and then three hundred million in ______. The bureau of the Budget recognizes this. It's 75.1 with add-ons. There are two packages of 500 bringing it to a 76 figure. You can cut it anyplace along the line.

K: But do you have more too?

L: Yes, if you go into things like ship readiness, but I want to be credible.

K: Why don't you give us one wild one in case the President wants it.

L: The wild one is the one at the DPRC. I recommend the billion dollars. Moorer would like to get 77. We can certainly justify it but it gets into putting four hundred million into bringing equipment up to combat effectiveness. The problem with that is you get to briefing in the Bureau of the Budget and those boys will chip hell out of that. We haven't had all this equipment up to combat effectiveness since World War II.

K: But if the President wants it we can handle the Bureau of the Budget. I don't suppose he does mind you, but can we operate on the high side from the DPRC figures?

L: Yes.

K: And the recommendation you favor is the middle one?

L: Yes. And I'd like to keep the (troop strength)? in Vietnam so we have to have this approved. The highest priority is Vietnam. We are following the guidance we got in the NSDM which brings us down.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Irwin
12/18/70 ca. 6:30 p.m.

I: I called because I thought I might want to bring you up to something in case it broke. Everything is now under control there. I will tell you briefly. Nachmanoff is up on it too.

K: I understand we are getting a temporary restraining order.

I: Yes, hopefully it is being issued now. The original agreement was between the Attorney General and Governor Kirk that is would prevent the boats from going out. But apparently Kirk changed his mind. Now we hope to get the order but before we were certain of that they came to me to see what the Coast Guard could do. I asked the Coast Guard if they had to to delay the boat for reasons of inspection or something like that.

K: That sounds right to me.

I: That's what I wanted you to know we had done. That was the Governor and the people of Florida who wanted the order from them.

K: While I've got you, we had a mad letter from Toure' (?) from Guinea saying the CIA was involved in a plot. Here is what I propose to do. We are going to search CIA for anything that could have been misconfigured this way. Second, we suggest that we send a letter from the President saying we have no evidence of such participation, that it would be against our orders but we want all the information they have so we can punish the guilty parties.

I: They just put a cable in front of me that's to go out on this matter authorizing the Ambassador to inform the Minister there that we have not been involved in any way and we regard with utmost gravity any statement of theirs saying we had given orders to kill people.

K: It sounds to me like we are in agreement on this. Why don't Marshall Wright and Newsome get together on this.

I: Okay, I'll tell Newsome to work with Wright and clear anything with them. But you still might send a letter from the President?

K: Maybe we should send this as a Presidential letter.

I: But it should be more polished in that case.

K: Let's let the two of them work on this and see what they come out with.

By. NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN

Mr. Kissinger/John Ehrlichman (I. O.)

7:00 p. m., December 18, 1970

K: What's the matter with you?

E: The C-5A, you know the friendly Lockheed airplane.

K: You can have it.

E: I don't want it. I have become entrenched in your Department of Defense and I don't want to get any deeper into it. The Director of Lockheed stopped in to see me and I finessed him by telling him nothing is here in the White House on this, Dave Packard has it. He said he (?) had made an offer of $200 million loss or a law suit. It is vitally important to Lockheed to get a quick final answer on this. Meeting with Packard on Monday in California, every moment is critical because Lockheed is near financial collapse and timing is as important as the dollars. I told him I don't even know if this is a White House question but I will ask Henry Kissinger. Is the President going to rule on the C-5A on Lockheed or Dave Packard?

K: If they think the President ought to rule ....

E: This is going to horse them.

K: I don't think we should get the President involved if the answer is negative.

E: I agree, now you know everything I know.

K: ...... and to go to the Indian's Embassy. If there are any two prejudices I have, it is the Swedes and the Indians.

E: You also cancelled out on the Sperling Group so they asked me.

K: I cancelled because Ziegler told me to and now you are doing it.

E: I am not going to do it, the President has asked me to come to the White House this evening. I will let you know if you are still working here tomorrow.

By. NARA, Dalo 5/20

TELCORN

Mr. Kissinger/ Henry Brandon

7:18 p.m., December 18, 1970

B: What are your afterthoughts after these two days?

K: I just was reading a press guidance that my staff prepared which begins as follows: "The President and Prime Minister [reading on]. I did not fully accept it.

B: You didn't.

K: I am getting ready to go. They had good and frank and complete talks.

B: What do you think -- consider of this as a concrete result?

K: We no we don't have that many outstanding issues between us that you can take issue with. Considerable understanding on our part on European community. Certainly give it encouragement. We have reviewed the international situation with very substantial agreement as to long-term objectives and tactics.

B: What would this consist of?

K: There has never really been that much of a formal arrangement but whatever is appropriate for the occasion.

B: In what way would it differ?

K: On paper it probably wouldn't differ.

B: What is the significance of asking John to come down to the White House?

K: When?

B: Tonight (?)

K: It is an evening with David Frost and David Frost is staying at the White House.

B: An evening with Nixon?

K: David Frost is performing for an evening at the White House -- there is a big invitation list and the President has just asked John to come around a little early.

By. NARA, Date 5/20

TELCOM -- Page 3

Mr. Kissinger/ Henry Brondor

7:18 p.m., December 18, 1970

K: I am already late and I really must go.

B: I am just helping your reputation.

K: Not when I am the guest of honor.

B: I'll make a note of that.

K: I have accepted your invitation for the Freeman's.

B: Greatly delighted and my editor will also be here.

K: Maybe I will be free Monday evening, if you are free for dinner.

B: We were trying to keep that free, vaguely thinking of keeping it open for the opera but I'll keep that evening free.

K: No, no, I am not sure I will be able to do it, can I call you about it over the weekend? Then we can have a good review of things.

B: Of course.

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