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1. Following are the remarks of Israeli Defense
Minister Shimon Peres and Secretary of State Henry A.
Kissinger following a meeting at the Prime Minister's
Office of the American and Israeli negotiating teams
during the night of March 21 and the early morning hours
of March 22, 1975 in Jerusalem:

2. Defense Minister Peres: BEGIN QUOTE: Well,
as you know, we had an important and long cabinet

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meeting this afternoon. Afterwards we have
reported to Dr. Kissinger about the deliberations
in our cabinet session and we went into great
details about the many and complicated problems
problems ahead of us and since today is Friday
night we have decided to continue tomorrow.
I hope the Secretary will remain so we shall
be able to deal with the very serious matter in
a relaxed and thoughtful way tomorrow night.

3. Q: Mr. Peres, are the talks deadlocked?

A: Q: Mr. Peres, are the talks deadlocked? Have you hit a really serious snag?

A: Defense Minister Peres: I would not like to conclude the negotiations as long as they go on. Let us be a little bit patient and not run ahead of time, neither with guesses nor with assumptions.

4. Q: Why the special session tonight, on Friday night? A: Peres: Basically, I believe because we are a democratic country and decisions are being taken by the cabinet.

5. Q. Could we get Dr. Kissinger's assessment?

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A: Secretary Kissinger: I agree with what the Defense Minister has said. We reviewed in great detail all the points that are involved in a potential agreement. We thought that both sides would benefit from a day of thinking over where we stand, and we are going to meet again tomorrow evening and continue our discussions.

6. Q: Secretary Kissinger, how do you react to these tales of deadlock? How would you characterize where it stands?

A: Secretary Kissinger: I would say that over the recent week the positions of the two sides have come closer to each other. Both sides have made a serious effort to take into account the considerations of the other, but a gap remains and, of course, as long as a gap remains there remains a lot of work to be done.

7. Q: Are you going to continue with this work? Do you plan to keep going; keep going to Aswan; keep up the shuttle?

A: Secretary Kissinger: I plan to continue the shuttle as long as I think there is a possibility of bridging the gap.

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negotiating with the Secretary of State to continue the negotiations, and in order to do so we had to clarify some points. This was done at the morning meeting which was, as usual, conducted in a very friendly and serious air. Once we have the clarifications we are now returning to the cabinet to report. That is the best news I can give you for the time being. Thank you.

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3. /Kissinger: I can add nothing to the statement that the minister of Defense has made. We had a good, constructive and friendly meeting and I will stay in Jerusalem until after the cabinet meeting and meet again with our colleagues before I return to Egypt this evening. Thank you.

4. Q: Dr. Kissinger, are you more confident now that you received the assessment of the Israeli cabinet, that an agreement can take place?

A. Sec. Kissinger: Well, I have told you all along that I wasn't going to give you estimates. I do feel that each side is making a very serious effort to try to take into account the considerations of the other, and this is certainly true of the Israeli side.

5. HQ: Sir, do you have plans to see Mr. Gromyko in

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1. FOLLOWING ARE THE REMARKS OF SECRETARY OF STATE HENRY A. KISSINGER AND ISRAELI DEFENSE MINISTER SHIMON PERES FOLLOWING A MEETING OF THE ISRAELI AND AMERICAN NEGOTIATING TEAMS IN JERUSALEM ON THE EVENING OF MARCH 20, 1975.

2. SECRETARY KISSINGER: BEGIN QUOTE: WE HAVE HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE ISRAELI NEGOTIATING TEAM AND THEY PRESENTED TO US THE IDEAS AND PROPOSALS OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE PROPOSALS AND IDEAS OF THE EGYPTIAN SIDE THAT I BROUGHT HERE. I AM NOW LEAVING IMMEDIATELY FOR THE AIRPORT AND WILL GO TO ASWAN AND WILL BE DISCUSSING THESE ISRAELI PROPOSALS WITH PRESIDENT SADAT AND HIS ADVISERS. THANK YOU.

3. Q: NEW PROPOSALS? ARE THEY NEW PROPOSALS?
A: SECRETARY KISSINGER: I THINK THERE ARE SOME NEW IDEAS, YES.

4. Q: IS AN AGREEMENT CLOSE, SIR? WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WAS CLOSER?
A: SECRETARY KISSINGER: I DO NOT WANT TO SPECULATE. I WILL BE BACK, I HOPE, TOMORROW AND I WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE A BETTER ASSESSMENT THEN. THANK YOU END QUOTE.

5. AT THIS POINT THE SECRETARY DEPARTED FOR THE AIRPORT.

6. DEFENSE MINISTER PERES: BEGIN QUOTE WE GAVE THE COMPLETE
PROPOSAL OF THE ISRAELI CABINET TO DR KISSINGER.

7. Q: WERE THERE AMENDMENTS TO THE ORIGINAL ISRAELI GUIDELINES
FOR A SETTLEMENT?

A: WE HAVE CONCLUDED OUR PROPOSALS THIS AFTERNOON.

8. Q: IS THE GAP CLOSING IS THE GAP VERY WIDE? HAS IT NARROWED
SOMEWHAT?

A: CAN I SEE FROM HERE UP TO CAIRO HOW MANY GAPS ARE THERE ON
THE WAY? I WOULDN'T GUESS.

9. A: DID DR KISSINGER RAISE ANY OF HIS OWN IDEAS?

A: WELL, IT IS A DIALOGUE AND BOTH SIDES ARE SUGGESTING AND QUESTION-
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10. Q: HAS HE INTRODUCED AMERICAN IDEAS?

A: WELL, HOW CAN I SPEAK FOR THE UNITED STATES? BUT, USUALLY IT
IS A NEGOTIATION, A CLARIFICATION, AND IT WORKS IN A WAY OF
CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW.

11. Q: WHEN DO YOU EXPECT HIM BACK TOMORROW?

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It is my understanding that there will be a cabinet meeting in a little while at which these Egyptian ideas will be discussed and after that I will meet with the negotiating team again.

3. Q: Are you prepared to say now that an agreement is close?

A. I am not prepared to say that, no.

4. Q: Has the gap been significantly narrowed in the last 24 hours?

A. Well, as I have pointed out before, the gaps can narrow and still remain and there is still a gap.

5. Q: Dr. Kissinger, there are many reports that you are planning to leave the area in a day or two.

WMX Would you care to comment on that?

A. Why don't we wait until the cabinet meets?

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SADAT FOLLOWING MARCH 18, 1975 MEETING AT ASWAN REST HOUSE

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1. SUBJECT REMARKS FOLLOW: QUOTE

2. SECRETARY KISSINGER: THE PRESIDENT AND I REVIEWED IN THE USUAL FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE THE IDEAS WHICH I BROUGHT FROM ISRAEL. THE PRESIDENT HAS GIVEN ME SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND IDEAS TO TAKE BACK TO ISRAEL. I AM RETURNING THERE THIS AFTERNOON AND I EXPECT TO CONTINUE THE NEGOTIATIONS THERE. THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

3. QUESTION: CAN YOU SEE A BREAKTHROUGH, DR. KISSINGER?

4. ANSWER: KISSINGER: ONE CAN'T IN ENGOTIATIONS. SPEAK OF ANY PARTICULAR POINT AT WHICH THERE IS A BREAKTHROUGH. I AM TRYING TO HARROW THE B.P. BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES BY EXPLAINING THE IDEAS AS CAREFULLY AS I CAN.

5. QUESTION: MR. SECRETARY, HAVE YOU ALREADY HARROWED THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES?

6. ANSWER: KISSINGER, AS I HAVE SAID ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THE GAP HAS HARROWED BUT IT ALWAYS REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER IT CAN FINALLY BE CLOSED.

7. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE PROGRESS, IF ANY, IN THIS SPECIFIC SESSION?

8. ANSWER: SADAT: WELL, AS SECRETARY KISSINGER HAS STATED WE HAD A FRUITFUL TALK AND I HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME NEW CONSIDERATIONS

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9. QUESTION: DR. KISSINGER, ARE YOU DETERMINED TO STAY IN THE REGION?

10. ANSWER: KISSINGER: AS I HAVE SAID ON MANY OCCASIONS, I AM DETERMINED TO STAY UNTIL WE EITHER REACH AN AGREEMENT OR IT IS CLEAR THAT WE CANNOT REACH AN AGREEMENT, SO I AM DETERMINED TO STAY HERE.

11. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, IN VIEW OF THE VIEWS BROUGHT FROM ISRAEL BY SECRETARY KISSINGER, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD INVOLVE AN ISRAELI WITHDRAWAL FROM THE PASSES AND FROM THE OIL FIELDS WOULD BE WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY?

12. ANSWER: SADAT: I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THURSDAY, LET US HOPE, WHEN DR. KISSINGER RETURNS.

13. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, ARE THERE SOME SUBSTANTIAL AREAS ON WHICH YOU AND THE ISRAELIS DO AGREE?

14. ANSWER: SADAT: WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK THE SECRETARY THIS QUESTION.

15. QUESTION: MR. SECRETARY? (LAUGHTER)

16. ANSWER: KISSINGER: I THINK THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF AGREEMENT AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SUBSTANTIAL AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT.

17. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, DO YOU GET THE FEELING THAT THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS IN THE LAST SESSION HERE, IN THE LAST ROUND OF EXCHANGE?

18. ANSWER: SADAT: I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT, AS I TOLD YOU AT THE BEGINNING, IT IS A VERY HARD, DIFFICULT AND COMPLICATED ROUND.

19. QUESTION: MRS. PRESIDENT, THE ISRAELIS APPEAR TO BE TALKING ABOUT A DEMAND FOR THE ELEMENTS OR THE PRINCIPLES OF NON-BELLIGERENCY FROM EGYPT. IS THIS ANY MORE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU THAN THE PER SE DEMAND FOR NON-BELLIGERENCY?

20. ANSWER: SADAT: I HAVE STATED OUR POSITION AND IT IS QUITE CLEAR. WE SHALL NOT AGREE TO NON-BELLIGERENCY AS LONG AS THERE IS ANY FOREIGN SOLDIER ON OUR LAND, AND I SAID THAT DOING SO MEANS THAT I AM INVITING THEM TO STAY, SO I THANK THAT THIS IS QUITE CLEAR.

21. QUESTION: THE IDEA OF JOINT PATROLS WITH ISRAEL, DR. KISSINGER, HAS BEEN DROPPED COMPLETELY?

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22. ANSWER: DR. KISSINGER: I THINK THE FOREIGN MINISTER HAS PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON THE EGYPTIAN POSITION, WHICH IS CLEAR AND FULLY UNDERSTOOD AND HAS BEEN FULLY COMMUNICATED.

23. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A BUFFER ZONE IN WHICH THERE WOULD BE A STRENGTHENED UNITED NATIONS FORCE BETWEEN THE ISRAELI AND THE EGYPTIAN FORCES IF AN AGREEMENT COULD BE REACHED?

24. ANSWER: SADAT: I THINK THIS IS QUITE NATURAL BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY THERE. THERE IS A BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN US IN WHICH THE UNITED NATIONS OPERATES. IT IS ALREADY THERE.

25. QUESTION: SO THAT ANY AREA THAT WILL BE EVACUATED BY THE ISRAELIS AS A PART OF A NEW AGREEMENT, COULD BE REPLACED OR COULD BE SOLDIERED BY UNITED NATIONS TROOPS? IS THAT CORRECT?

26. ANSWER: SADAT: WELL, YOU ARE DRIVING AGAIN TO TRY TO FIND SOME OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.

27. QUESTION: THAT'S TRUE, SIR. (LAUGHTER)

28. QUESTION: MR. SECRETARY: THE IDEAS YOU'LL BE CARRYING BACK TO ISRAEL NOW, ARE THEY A REFINEMENT OR ARE THEY SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE IDEAS YOU CARRIED BACK LAST FRIDAY?

29. ANSWER: KISSINGER: IN EACH ROUND THE IDEAS, OF COURSE, ADVANCE AND SOMETIMES COVER COLLATERAL AREAS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET DRAWN INTO A DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THEY ARE ENTIRELY NEW OR A REFINEMENT, BUT I THINK THEY REPRESENT, AS I HAVE SAID, ADDITIONAL INPUT FOR THE ISRAELI SIDE.

30. QUESTION: DO YOU THINK, DR. KISSINGER, THAT YOU CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT BEFORE THE TIME OF THE RENEWAL OF THE UN FORCES?

31. ANSWER: KISSINGER: CERTAINLY, YES.

32. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, DO YOU HAVE ANY TIME IDEA HOW LONG AN AGREEMENT MIGHT TAKE TO IMPLEMENT?

33. ANSWER: SADAT: WE HAVE NOT YER REACHED THIS POINT.

34. QUESTION: BUT WOULDN'T TIME BE A CRUCIAL ELEMENT, SOME IDEA OF HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE, WOULD THAT NOT BE A CRUCIAL ELEMENT?

35. ANSWER: SADAT: YOU WERE SPEAKING OF THE IMPLEMENTATION AND YOU ARE ASKING NOW ABOUT REACHING AN AGREEMENT.

36. QUESTION: MY POINT, MR. PRESIDENT, IS THERE HAS TO BE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO IMPLEMENT THE AGREEMENT BEFORE AN AGREEMENT COULD BE SIGNED.

37. ANSWER: SADAT: WHEN WE AGREE FIRST ON THE PRINCIPLES, I THINK THE PERIOD OF IMPLEMENTATION CAN BE

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38. QUESTION: DO YOU THINK, DR. KISSINGER, YOU CAN EACH THE SAME KIND OF AGREEMENT?

39. ANSWER: SADAT: WE HAVE NOT YET AGREED UPON THE PRINCIPLES.

40. QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THERE CAN BE AT THE SAME TIME AN AGREEMENT ON THE SYRIAN FRONT?

41. ANSWER: KISSINGER: THE CONDITIONS IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS CARRY, SO I DO NOT WANT TO SAY THAT PRINCIPLES CAN NECESSARILY BE AUTOMATICALLY APPLIED. BUT I HAVE STATED REPEATEDLY AND PUBLICLY THAT THE PROCESS OF PEACE APPLIES TO THE WHOLE AREA, THAT THE UNITED STATES WILL DO ITS UTMOST TO PROMOTE PEACE IN THE ENTIRE EARA.

42. QUESTION: HAVE YOU DISCUSSED BILATERAL RELATIONS BETWEEN EGYPT AND THE USA?

43. ANSWER: KISSINGER: WE ALWAYS DISCUSS OUR BILATERAL RELATIONS, WHICH WE THINK ARE EXCELLENT. (THE PRESIDENT NODDED.)

44. QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THE IDEA OF A SINGLE ARAB DELIVERY MIGHT BE A WAY AROUND THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAELI OBJECTIONS TO DEALING WITH THE PLO IN GENEVA?

45. ANSWER: KISSINGER: WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS SORT OF IDEA, AND WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ORGANIZE THE GENEVA CONFERENCE, WE CAN ADDRESS SPECIFIC ISSUES OF THIS NATURE.

46. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, DO YOU SEE ANY POSSIBILITY OF OPENING INDIRECT TRADE TO ISRAEL, OR INDIRECT TOURISM, FOLLOWING A WITHDRAWAL FROM PART OF THE SINAI?

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47. ANSWER: SADAT: I'LL TELL YOU, UP TO THIS MOMENT WE DIDN'T AGREE ON THE PRINCIPLES OF THIS VERY LIMITED WITHDRAWAL, AND YOU ARE RAISING ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED THERE IN GENEVA AFTER THE FINAL SOLUTION. YOU CAN'T RAISE ISSUES LIKE THIS NOW.

48. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, YOU MUST HAVE AN IDEA THROUGH WHAT THE FINAL SOLUTION WOULD LOOK LIKE. CAN YOU GIVE US IN GENERAL TERMS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO FAR AS A FINAL SOLUTION? WHERE WOULD ISRAEL EXIST? WHERE WOULD ITS BOUNDARIES IN GENERAL LAY?

49. ANSWER: SADAT: I HAVE ALREADY STATED THIS BEFORE--THE BORDERS OF '67. AND IF WE CAN SUCCEED IN GENEVA TO END THE STATE OF BELLIGERENCY I THINK WE WOULD MAKE A VERY BIG ACHIEVEMENT

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FOR THIS GENERATION. SURE, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE AND SO I HAVE STATED BEFORE ALSO, THE CORE OF THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS THE PALESTINIAN PROBLEM. SO IF WE CAN ACHIEVE IN OUR GENERATION THE END OF THE STATED OF BELLIGERENCY BETWEEN THE ARABS AND ISRAEL AND SOLVE THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION, IT WILL BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT.

50. QUESTION: WITH YOUR FORESIGHT, SIR, YOU ALWAYS SAY THIS GENERATION, CAN YOU LOOK TO THE NEXT GENERATION PERHAPS WITH YOUR FORESIGHT AND TELL US WHAT SITUATION YOU ENVISION BETWEEN THE ARABS AND ISRAELIS IN THE NEXT GENERATION?

51. ANSWER: SADAT: I HAVE SAID BEFORE IT DEPENDS UPON THEIR CONDUCT AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.

52. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT: CLARIFICATION: DO YOU MEAN TO LEAVE THE IMPRESSION IN THIS CURRENT DISENGAGEMENT THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT SHOULD INLCUDE SUCH THINGS AS IMPROVED COMMERCE BETWEEN ISRAEL ANZXRWOGIFR GOSM PROVED TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN ZEWIC NWKRBNWOLB. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PROPOSALS MADE IN ISRAEL THAT PART OF THE AGREEMENT CAN BE STEPS SUCH AS IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION FROM CAIRO TO TEL AVIF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

53. ANSWER: SADAT: ARE YOU ASKING ME?

54. QUESTION: IN ANSWER TO A PREVIOUS QUESTION YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT THAT SUCH MATTERS SHOULD BE TAKEN UP ON GENEVA AND NOT WITHIN THIS DISENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT.

55. ANSWER: SADAT: IT IS STILL PREMATURE AND IT IS REALLY ABSURD TO DISCUSS SUCH MATTERS AS THIS. AS I SAID, IF WE HAD REACHED A STATE OF ENDING THE STATE OF BELLIGERENCY BETWEEN THE ARABS AN ISRAEL, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR OUR GENERATION. THERE IS NO POINT AT ALL. IN DISCUSSING THESE RELATIONS WHEN WE CAN'T AGREE UPON ENDING THE STATE OF BELLIGERENCY.

56. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST HOW SERIOUS WILL IT BE IF THESE NEGOTIATIONS FAIL?

57. ANSWER: SADAT: WELL, I HAVE TOLD MY PRESS THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY NOT REACH ANY AGREEMENT AND WE ARE READY TO FACE WHATEVER COMES.

58. QUESTION: WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCES, SIR?

59. ANSWER: SADAT: WELL, AS THE BRITISH SAY, WE CAN'T CROSS THAT BRIDGE UNTIL WE REACH IT.

60. QUESTION: AND IF AN AGREEMENT IS REACHED, IS IT A BIG PUSH FOR PEACE?

61. ANSWER: SADAT: SURE, IT WILL BE A TURNING POINT.

62. QUESTION: DR. KISSINGER, DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS AT THIS STAGE THE PALESTINIANS WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THESE TALKS CONCERNING THEIR FUTURE?

63. ANSWER: KISSINGER: I THINK THE TWO PRESS CORPS ARE COMPETING IN ASKING PROVOCATIVE QUESTIONS.

64. QUESTION: MR. PRESIDENT, WHY DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A TURNING POINT? YOU SAID IT WOULD BE A TURNING POINT IF IT SUCCEEDS, COULD YOU ELABORATE?

65. ANSWER: SADAT: THE NEXT TIME, THE NEXT VISIT OF DR. KISSINGER, THEN I CAN ELABORATE.

66. ANSWER: THANK YOU.

67. FOR JERUSALEM: AMBASSADOR ANDERSON ASKS THAT YOU REPRODUCE THESE REMARKS AND HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES ON HAND FOR SECRETARY'S ARRIVAL.

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Ambassador Bashir and I were briefed by the principals. The meeting tonight began at 7:00p. m., finished about 8:45 pm. The principals on each side were: On the Egyptian side President Sadat, Foreign Minister Fahmy and Minister of War Gamasy, and on the American side Secretary Kissinger, Ambassador Eilts, and Under Secretary Sisco. The breakdown of the meeting: the first hour the two teams met, the last 45 minutes the President met two sides alone with Secretary Kissinger. They/will meet tomorrow morning, Ambassador xzgabouhethwakkesib, probably around 11:00am. MX/ Bashir wanted to comment to you about what the Egyptian side is doing now, and then I will have one more comment.

3. Ambassador Bashir: The President will have a working dinner with Foreign Minister Fahmy and War Minister Gamasy. Mr. Kissinger presented the Israelis' specific ideas and the President and the Egyptian team will be studying them tonight. Tomorrow they are expecting to give Mr. Kissinger and his team the Egyptian response to these ideas. The general mood of the talks was serious and we feel that we need serious and hard work to taxjx tackle the issues presented. Thank you.

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4. Ambassador Anderson: The Ambassador covered one or two Israeli points I was going to cover. That was the specific/ideas xzgabouhethwakkesib Kessikra being presented by Dr. Kissinger, because I had xzgabouhethwakkesib

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omitted that earlier.

5. Question: Could you either of you comment about the relative shortness of the meeting itself, the hour and forty minutes versus the nearly three hour meetings that were held previously? Is there any significance in the relative brevity of tonight's talks?

6. Answer: Anderson: I attach no particular significance to the relative brevity of tonight's talks. The Secretary, as I said earlier, had sufficient time to present the specific ideas of the Israelis, and now, as Ambassador Bashir said, the Egyptian side will be studying these ideas. After all, the two sides are going to be meeting tomorrow morning again next so there will be plenty of time for further talks.

7. Question: Ambassador Bashir, could you say if there is any initial Egyptian reaction at all, even in terms of mood?

8. Answer: Ambassador Bashir: I just wanted to add that the brevity from comes/ax the fact that Mr. Kissinger was presenting the Israelis' specific ideas and we feel that these matters are serious. We need a lot of hard work to tackle these issues. Tomorrow the Egyptian team will be presenting, in the morning, the Egyptian response to these specific ideas.

9. Question: Did you say you thought the Israeli ideas were serious? We can't hear you too well.

10. Answer: Ambassador Bashir: The talks indicated we will need

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serious and hard work to tackle these issues.

11. Question: What about the Israeli ideas, how did they strike you?

12. Answer: Ambassador Bashir: We will know more about that tomorrow.

13. Question: Do you think the atmosphere in Israel in the last day or so is reflected in what Dr. Kissinger is presenting? Do you get any kind of reaction like that?

14. Answer: Ambassador Bashir: I don't know about the Israeli reaction. I hope they are forthcoming towards peace, and I hope that we feel from them and see signs that they are willing to come to peace with Egypt and the other Arab countries on all fronts.

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say the same things, I hope, In English.

3. Allon: (translated from Hebrew) We held a detailed conversation for a number of hours with Dr. Kissinger and his group on the Egyptian proposals he brought and we have conveyed to our guest our proposals and evaluation of the proposals he brought to us in accordance with the spirit of government policy from previous sessions and today's session. I say with satisfaction that these talks were held in good spirits and with a positive trend on the part of both parties. But because of the importance of the subject and the great amount of detail, we could not complete the discussion this evening and we will continue tomorrow morning.

4. Secretary Kissinger: The Israeli negotiating team and we reviewed all the elements of the negotiation in very great detail, in a very constructive spirit, based on the discussions that took place in the Israeli cabinet today. The Israeli side presented the Israeli ideas in response to the Egyptian ideas that I brought here from Aswan and I plan to go to Egypt tomorrow to present them. The Israeli and American negotiating team will meet again tomorrow morning. Thank you.

5. Q: Did you introduce any ideas of your own?

A: Secretary Kissinger: No. END QUOTE.

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1. KISSINGER: QUOTE: ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIS MAJESTY AND PRIME MINISTER FOR THE CHARACTERISTICALLY WARM AND FRIENDLY RECEPTION WE HAVE HAD HERE. WE HAVE HAD VERY EXTENDED DISCUSSIONS AND I GAVE HIS MAJESTY A VERY FULL AND DETAILED REPORT ABOUT THE STATE OF THE NEGOTIATIONS IN WHICH I AM ENGAGED AND WE EXCHANGED IDEAS ABOUT FUTURE PROGRESS TOWARDS PEACE IN THE AREA. WE ALSO DISCUSSED BILATERAL RELATIONS WHICH ARE EXCELLENT. ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT FORD, I INVITED HIS MAJESTY TO PAY A VISIT TO THE UNITED STATES TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL AND HIS MAJESTY HAS ACCEPTED. I WILL STAY IN THE CLOSEST TOUCH WITH HIS MAJESTY AS THESE NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE AND WILL KEEP HIM INFORMED OF ALL DEVELOPMENTS. THANK YOU. END QUOTE.

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FOLLOWING IS TRANSCRIPT SECRETARY'S DEPARTURE STATEMENT DAMASCUS AIRPORT, MARCH 15, 1975: QUOTE.
FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE FOREIGN MINISTER FOR HAVING DELAYED HIS DEPARTURE SO THAT HE COULD RECEIVE ME AND PARTICIPATE IN THE TALKS. PRESIDENT ASAD AND

I HAD A VERY FULL AND DETAILED REVIEW OF THE PROSPECTS OF PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND WE AGREED THAT BEFORE I COMPLETE MY STAY IN THIS AREA I WOULD RETURN TO DAMASCUS TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. UNQUOTE.

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Jordanians to go to Geneva.

3. Kissinger: quote: The decision to go to Geneva is entirely up to Jordan. We are not trying to influence anyone.

4. Question: quote: Arriving late, is it a good sign of your talks in Damascus?

5. Kissinger: quote: I will repeat what I said in Damascus.
I am returning to Damascus.

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During Aswan-Tel Aviv flight, Friday, March 14,
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