TELCON
Rabin/Kissinger

12:22 p.m.

1/25/72

R: When *xx* will I be able to talk with Joe on the assumption that everything is clear?

K: The President is giving a speech tonight. That directive I mentioned to you yesterday has been signed but I don't know if delivered yet. It is all done. Wait a day. See what happens. I will call you tomorrow. I will assure your *xx* people what I -- the President is calling.

TELCOM

Haldeman/Kissinger

12:30 p.m.

1/25/72

K: This directive you were going to talk to Rogers. Sent yet?

H: No.

K: Could you soon? I am holding Israel on the strap.

H: Is it all right?

K: If you want to reserve option. Therefore keep it in abeyance. But not now.

H: All right.

TELECON

Marvin Kalb

1/26/72 12:50 p.m.

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HK: The thinking here is with all the stuff happening this week and next and the Annual Review coming up, the best time to do it is within two weeks after our return from China, if you would still be interested.

MK: Yes, very much. It would be better before...

HK: But more documents may have leaked by then.

MK: That is not what I'm after.

HK: I know.

MK: But that is the decision?

HK: That is the decision. If you all raise it after China we will be prepared to set a date.

MK: All right, and on that other thing...

HK: That they haven't answered yet. How should I answer the question "Why give CBS this scoop?"

MK: Because I'm so nice.

HK: And so good to the Administration?

MK: Always a supporter of justice.

HK: Seriously, that may be the hangup. Think of a good answer.

MK: This may be an opportunity to do the kind of thing the two of us can do.

HK: The long one we will do.

MK: And on the briefer thing... I was under the impression... that we were almost certainly going to do that.

HK: I have a firm policy that I don't do these things on my own.

MK: Oh, of course. When will this be resolved?

HK: By the end of the week.

MK: ... are we going to have some kind of resolution of that this evening?

HK: I don't want to speculate on that. There's been too much of it.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By. NARA, Dato 5/26

TELECON

Chuck Colson

1/25/72 1:15 p.m.

K: I can't do anything this afternoon, and when I turn down three Miss Americas you know I'm in trouble.

C: Especially when I read the list you gave and it has two young movie starlets on it.

K: Oh, who?

C: Can't remember their names.

K: How long are they in town?

C: Just today.

K: What do you want me to do?

C: Just say hello and let them see you.

K: That takes more than five minutes.

C: No it doesn't. The White House tour for them will be finished at 2:15. Then they'll be shepherded into the Roosevelt Room, just for you to say hello. Without even talking to them, just walk around and shake hands.

K: That's five minutes.

C: Sure.

K: Okay. I have someone at 2:00. If you can literally hold it to no more than 10 minutes it's okay.

C: Guaranteed.

TELCOM
President/Kissinger
2:21 p.m. 1/25/72

P: Rose just brought over this Pompidou thing. I have no objection but will it embarrass him? Thank him for making arrangements. Giving Schumann chance to say it's a good or bad idea.

K: Good point. He hasn't done anything except facilitate arrangements. On the other hand if we don't do it -- interrupts flow of speech.

P: Flow is no problem. I wonder if more ways for you to say it.

K: That's easy enough.

P: I know it's easy. The French Govt. has been ambivalent.

K: They didn't disagree to secret meetings.

P: If you think it should be in then it will.

K: I think so.

P: You will get a message this afternoon.

K: I will. But I am in good shape.

P: You are the one who will be busier tonight than I. At 7:00 we meet with Congress.

K: I will have a page for you by 4:00.

P: No hurry. I will stay 10 mins. and leave.

K: Has Bill and Mel been told?

P: I haven't.

K: I will be talking with Bill about something else.

P: Maybe Haldeman told him.

K: I have to talk to him about something else. I will check with Bob.

P: Say leaders will be here and if he can it would be good for him to be here.

K: You will leave and he should conduct the meeting afterwards.

P: You will be ? ? ? ?

President/Kissinger

2:21 p.m. 1/25/72

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K: Right.

P: We have a good game plan.

K: Ron read it and he is just jumping through the ceiling. One of the biggest stories ever.

P: What are the leads?

K: Secret trips, step for peace, new initiative. The Pompidou line adds mystery.

P: We will put it in. Wee you at 7:00. I will be here if you need me. How does Haig feel about it?

K: Delighted. I can't say often enough what we did after I saw you last night saved it. Saved us from guerrilla war today.

P: Finch going to Calif. He raised an interesting point. We have Mansfield coming out for Indochina peace conference. Come down hard on fact of Cambodia and Laird.

K: That was in May 31 proposal, in every one we have made.

P: On Indochina Peace Conference. Say it in front of Mansfield.

K: Excellent.

TELCOM
Rogers/Kissinger

2:27 p.m.

1/25/72

K: About the speech tonight. Two things. One, all your suggestions are in there. That point you raised between agreement in principle and final agreement the more we thought about it the more xxxxx obstuse it became so we lumped it together. We can go back to that. The only recommendation of yours not accepted was we have a feeling we should say something about Pompidou. He put his airplane at our disposal. Just say facilitating our arrangements.

R: Just good conduct on ________. Don't want to applaud at this point.

K: They are revolting. Bypartisan meeting of leaders at 7:00. President will talk 10 mins. and then you take over meeting. I will give a run down and you take over the rest.

R: Fine. I called Scott and Brooke to find out where and they both say they make it up.

K: It doesn't make it sound as if your people did it because it's not correct.

R: Scott did it because he saw what Brooke said.

K: Scott just popping off.

R: It's not us. It's not true. Whoever wrote it was on the wrong track. Alex and I have only heard it.

K: VC have turned it down!

R: Whoever made that stuff up -- I will see you at 7:00.

TELCORN
Zeigler/Kissinger

3:45 p.m.

1/26/72

Z: Normally don't bother you on this. Bill Gill just called today that the AG told a source that if everything goes well that in 10 days this will bind it down. Shouldn't I tell him to stay away from it?

K: Yes.

Z: Nothing to it is there? It will raise false hopes.

K: That's right. Stay away from it. Thank you.

TELCON
Haig/Dobrynin

6:40 p.m. 1/25/72

H: Questions is only if you could check with him. He mentioned last time about our meeting or lunch on Thurs. or Fri. I simply would like to check what time he proposed. I am holding everything and it is tied up. It doesn't matter, whatever day.

K: You have no preference.

D: He proposed. He said he would call yesterday what date. I can't accept invitations.

H: I will catch him and get an answer.

D: Then I will know what day I can use on other business. I will see you at 7:30.

TELCORN

Secretary Connally/Mr. Kissinger

10:15 p.m., January 25, 1972

K: The President asked me to call you.

C: Yeah.

K: To get your reaction on his speech tonight.

C: I thought it went extremely well.

K: You do.

C: I sure do. It went well, sounded good; he looked relaxed and I thought the delivery was good.

K: I thought it was the best one yet.

C: It was one of the best I have ever seen him do.

K: He mentioned my name on television.

C: He mentioned Rogers' name too. He mentioned you both equally.

K: That's what I thought.

C: When you share honors like that, it doesn't upset me quite as much.

K: Okay.

C: It went very, very well. It was very good. Hell, I just don't know how they are going to answer it.

K: Some of them are babbling beside the point. Javits said that it doesn't have much chance of being accepted.

C: Who said that?

K: Javits. He still thinks we ought to withdraw but that's still playing to New York.

C: You are to be congratulated. I tip my hat to you, sir.

K: Thank you, John.

TELCORN

Governor Rockefeller/Mr. Kissinger

10:23 p.m., January 25, 1972

R: I understand that they gave away the secrets of your talks.

K: No; that there were secret meetings.

R: That's what I mean. Why is this being done?

K: They are launching a big offensive in February.

R: Military or political?

K: Military.

R: I will be damned. After you have offered them everything.

K: I tried to call you before the speech.

R: I was at a testimonial dinner for Vic ______. Pete Brennan gave it you see. People were there from all over the country so I couldn't listen to the President.

K: We had to do it. The other side wouldn't negotiate.

R: What will be the result?

K: Dobrynin already called babbling like an idiot. He's afraid we are going to hit them.

R: He is not so dumb.

K: We have to do something dramatic.

R: Do you think they will change?

K: They will scream. But if we have to hit them, this gives us a better posture to hit them.

R: Have we got the strength?

K: We have got the strength but it is the courage we are lacking.

R: How are you feeling?

TELCOM

10:23 p.m., January 25, 1972

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K: I have felt I can't leave now so I have just got to see how this thing develops.

R: How is your health?

K: It is okay.

R: I haven't got the flu but --

K: That damned flu is something.

R: We are going to Little Dick's Bay in the Virgin Islands .........
Why don't you come to Little Dick's with us? We will stop off
in Washington and pick you up.

K: I wish I could do it but I can't.

R: We have to take some time off to sit down quietly together and talk.

K: I would like to do that.

R: Little Dick's Bay is far better than Key Biscayne.

K: That's not saying much but I know it would be great.

R: I have nothing to talk to you about except local.

K: I will be down for the dinner on the 11th.

R: Yeah. Fine; that's only next week.

K: Two weeks from this Friday.

R: A week from Tuesday.

K: Whenever it is.

R: I think it is a week from today.

K: Oh, really.

R: I think so. I will be coming to Washington.

K: I was thinking of the dinner you were giving for Waldheim.

TELCOM

10:23 p.m., January 25, 1972

R: No; the dinner the President is giving for the Lt. Governors.

K: That's when I will see you.

R: Marvelous.

K: I don't know if I will be at the dinner but I will see you. Perhaps before the dinner we could get together.

R: I will get Ann to call you tomorrow.

K: Ask Ann to call tomorrow if you don't mind.

R: I have been trying to help.

K: You have really and he is losing some of the tenseness in that
respect.

R: And I think maybe not right away but I think we can do something.

K: I think if you had a leading role in it, there would be no question.

R: Jackson is not going to get the nomination. You ought to put
Shirley Chisholm on your list of ladies.

K: Really.

R: You would be crazy about her. She is brilliant and out of this
world. An absolutely refreshing girl.

K: I have got to meet her.

R: Henry, you tell the President I am sorry I missed his speech but
everybody thinks it was great.

K: Nelson, thanks for all the friendship you have shown me.