SECRETARY'S RECORD OF SCHEDULE

Friday, September 3, 1976

10:20 am      Wheels up for London
11:45        Met with Press (12:45)
10:00 pm     Arrived London (Local time)
10:45        Arrived Hotel Claridge
10:50        Saw Jock Covey
11:05        Saw Jock Covey
11:25        Saw Jock Covey
11:26        Called General Scowcroft
11:30        Drinks with the Rogers, Eagleburgers, Lord, Rodman, Schaufele (12:30)
11:40        Returned call to Sir Christopher Soames (London Exchange FENCE HOUSES 2239)
1:00         Retired

SECRETARY'S SCHEDULE

Saturday, Sept. 4

1976

LONDON / ZURICH

8:15 Wake-up

8:45 Breakfast with Amb. Bruce (Holding Room) (9:25)

9:45 African Meeting (Messrs. Rogers, Schaufele, Bowdler, Eagleburger, Rodman (notetaker))

Departed Hotel for British Foreign Ministry

10:35 Arrived Foreign Ministry

12:45 Returned to the Hotel

12:47 Saw Jock Covey

12:50 Saw Larry Eagleburger

12:54 Saw Mr. Maulding, DCM Spiers, Rodman (Notetaker) (1:20)

1:30 Departed Hotel for Airport

2:10 Arrive Heathrow

2:30 Wheels up for Zurich

3:00 Met with Press (3:20)

3:50 Arrived Zurich, Switzerland
Helicoptered to motorcade

4:20 Arrived Dolder Grand Hotel

4:30 Called Mr. & Mrs. Louis Kissinger (Zurich 36-65-50)

4:35 Saw Jock Covey

4:38 Called Mr. & Mrs. Kissinger again

5:20 Departed for meeting with PM Vorster at Hotel Waldhaus

7:20 Returned to Hotel Dolder

7:21 Saw Messrs. Eagleburger and Covey

DEPARTMENT OF STATE
BRIEFING PAPER

PARTICIPATION SCHEDULE
ZURICH

Saturday, September 4

3:20 pm Arrive Zurich.

3:50 pm Arrive Dolder Grand Hotel.

5:30 pm Begin Vorster Meeting (Vorster's Quarters).

Participants:

US
The Secretary
Under Secretary Rogers
Assistant Secretary Schaufele
Deputy Under Secretary
Eagleburger
Ambassador Bowdler
Mr. Lord
Mr. Rodman (Notetaker)

South Africa
Prime Minister Vorster
Foreign Minister Muller
B. G. Fourie, Secretary for
Foreign Affairs
Ambassador Botha
General Van den Bergh, Director,
Bureau of State Security
J. Weilbach, Private Secretary
(Notetaker)

8:00 pm Stag Dinner Hosted by South Africans
(dress: business suit)

Participants same as for 5:30 pm meeting

SECRETARY'S RECORD OF SCHEDULE - Sunday, September 5, 1976 -
ZURICH, SWITZERLAND

<table><tr><td>8:45 am</td><td>Wake-up</td></tr><tr><td>9:15 am</td><td>Breakfast in suite with Mrs. Kissinger</td></tr><tr><td>9:50 am</td><td>Saw Jock Covey</td></tr><tr><td>10:15 am</td><td>Saw General Haig</td></tr><tr><td>11:40 am</td><td>Saw Jock Covey</td></tr><tr><td>11:58 am</td><td>Saw Messrs. Bowdler, Rogers, Lord, Schaufele</td></tr><tr><td>12:00 noon</td><td>Meeting with Prime Minister Vorster</td></tr><tr><td>1:00 pm</td><td>Luncheon Meeting with South African Prime Minister (4:30 pm)</td></tr><tr><td>4:30 pm</td><td>Returned to suite</td></tr><tr><td>5:00 pm</td><td>Rest Time</td></tr><tr><td>5:50 pm</td><td>Wake-up</td></tr><tr><td>6:00 pm</td><td>Saw Mr. Larry Eagleburger</td></tr><tr><td>6:05 pm</td><td>Saw John Wallach and his parents (6:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td>6:20 pm</td><td>Saw Fred Luchsinger (Interview, <u>Neue Zurich Zeitung</u>) with Mr. Eagleburger</td></tr><tr><td>7:25 pm</td><td>Saw Mr. Eagleburger</td></tr><tr><td>7:30 pm</td><td>Mr. and Mrs. Louis Kissinger arrived</td></tr><tr><td>7:35 pm</td><td>Saw Jock Covey</td></tr><tr><td>7:40 pm</td><td>Saw Messrs. Rogers, Schaufele, Lord</td></tr><tr><td>8:00 pm</td><td>Saw Mr. Rogers</td></tr><tr><td>8:15 pm</td><td>Saw Mr. Rogers</td></tr><tr><td>8:30 pm</td><td>Dinner in Hotel Dolder Restaurant with Mrs. Kissinger and Mr. and Mrs. Louis Kissinger (10:30 pm)</td></tr><tr><td>10:30 pm</td><td>Returned to suite with Mr. and Mrs. Louis Kissinger (10:55 pm)</td></tr></table>

SECRETARY'S SCHEDULE

Monday, September 6, 1976

8:00 am Wake-up
8:15 Breakfast served
8:30 Private Meeting with Vorster in Suite
Americans and South Africans joined later
10:30 Meeting adjourned to Conference Room
12:30 pm Press Conference
1:00 Depart Hotel for Airport
1:20 Arrive Airport
1:30 Wheels Up
1:35 Met with press (1:50)
2:25 Met with Rogers, Schaufele, Eagleburger, Bowdler
2:50 Arrived Heathrow
3:30 Arrived Hotel Claridge
4:00 Saw Win Lord
4:10 Met with Rogers, Schaufele, Eagleburger, Lord, Rodman, Bowdler
4:50 Departed for 10 Downing Street
5:00 Meeting with Prime Minister Callaghan
6:50 Returned to Hotel Claridge
7:30 Called Scowcroft (Spoke with Hyland)
7:45 Departed for Crosland Residence
8:00 Dinner with Foreign Secretary and Mrs. Crosland and Mrs. Kissinger
10:05 Arrived Heathrow

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<table><tr><td>10:15</td><td>Wheels up for Paris</td></tr><tr><td>12:05 am</td><td>Arrived Paris (Local time)<br>Brief Arrival Statement</td></tr><tr><td>12:35</td><td>Arrived at Residence</td></tr><tr><td>12:40</td><td>Met with Amb. Rush (12:55)</td></tr><tr><td>12:59</td><td>Saw Jock Covey</td></tr><tr><td>1:00</td><td>Called Mr. Eagleburger</td></tr><tr><td>1:15</td><td>Retired</td></tr></table>

SECRETARY'S SCHEDULE

Tuesday, September 7

Paris/Hamburg

<table><tr><td>8:15</td><td>Wake-up</td></tr><tr><td>9:00</td><td>Breakfast</td></tr><tr><td>9:25</td><td>Departed Residence for Elysees</td></tr><tr><td>9:30</td><td>Met with President Giscard d'Estaing</td></tr><tr><td>11:00(?)</td><td>Met with For. Sec. de Guirangaud (Quai)</td></tr><tr><td>11:45</td><td>Returned to Residence</td></tr><tr><td>12:00</td><td>Called Sauvagnargues (left message with Mrs. Sauvagnargues)</td></tr><tr><td>12:40</td><td>Departed Residence fo Quai d'Orsy<br>Arrived Quai and had private meeting with de Guirangaud</td></tr><tr><td>1:40</td><td>Arrived at Orly Airport</td></tr><tr><td>1:55</td><td>Wheels up for Hamburg</td></tr><tr><td>3:00</td><td>Arrived Hamburg</td></tr><tr><td>3:30</td><td>Meeting with Chancellor Schmidt and For. Min. Genscher<br>(Senat Gasthaus)</td></tr><tr><td>4:00(?)</td><td>Joint Press Conference (Yacht Club)</td></tr><tr><td>5:55</td><td>Arrived at Airport</td></tr><tr><td>6:00</td><td>Wheels up for Washington</td></tr><tr><td>6:25</td><td>Met with Press (7:55)</td></tr><tr><td>7:55</td><td>Saw Bernie Kalb (8:00)</td></tr><tr><td>10:40 p.m.</td><td>Arrive Andrews AFB, Washington<br>Arrival statement</td></tr></table>

PARTICIPATION SCHEDULE
LONDON, PARIS

Monday, September 6

12:10 pm Depart for Zurich Airport.

12:30 pm Depart Zurich.

2:00 pm Arrive London.

5:00 pm Meeting with Prime Minister Callaghan.
10 Downing Street.

Participants:

US
The Secretary
Under Secretary Rogers
Assistant Secretary Schaufele
Ambassador Armstrong
Mr. Lord
Mr. Rodman (Notetaker)

UK
Prime Minister Callaghan
Foreign Secretary Crosland
Ted Rowlands, Minister of
State, FCO
Sir Anthony Duff, Deputy Under
Secretary, FCO
Notetaker

10.00

9:30 pm Depart London.

11:30 pm Arrive Paris.

Tuesday, September 7

9:30 am Meeting with President Giscard.

Participants:

US
The Secretary
Ambassador Rush

France
President Giscard
Foreign Minister de Guiringaud
Secretary General Francois-Ponce

1:40 pm Depart Paris,

September 3, 1976

11:00 PM.

SECRETARY'S SCHEDULE
SEPTEMBER TRIP

Friday, September 3

10:00 am Depart Andrews (flight time 6:40; time change +5)

9:40 pm Arrive London
Evening free

Saturday, September 4

8:45 am Breakfast with Ambassador Bruce
10:30 am Meeting with Foreign Secretary Crosland at Foreign Office (confirmed)

Participants:

US                 UK
The Secretary       Foreign Secretary Crosland
Under Secretary Rogers Ted Rowlands, Minister of
Assistant Secretary Schaufele State, FCO
DCM Spiers         Sir Michael Palliser, Permanent
Deputy Under Secretary Under Secretary, FCO
Eagleburger
Mr. Lord           Sir Anthony Duff, Deputy Under
                   Secretary, FCO
Mr. Rodman (Notetaker) Dennis Grennan, Special Adviser
                   on African Affairs, FCO
Patrick Lave, Head of Rhodesia
                   Department, FCO
Richard Dales, Assistant Private
                   Secretary to Crosland
Sir Peter Ramsbotham, Ambassador
                   to US (probable participant)
12:30 pm Meeting with Maudling (Secretary's suite, Claridges)

US Participants: The Secretary
(TENTATIVE) Under Secretary Rogers
Assistant Secretary Schaufele, DCM Spiers
Mr. Rodman (Notetaker)

2:00 pm Depart London (flight time 1:20; no time change)

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<table><tr><td></td><td></td><td>- 2 -</td></tr><tr><td>3:20 pm</td><td>Arrive Zurich</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>3:50 pm</td><td>Arrive Dolder Grand Hotel</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>5:30 pm</td><td>Begin Vorster Meeting (Vorster's Quarters)<br>(Participants same as for 8:00 pm stag dinner)</td><td></td></tr><tr><td>8:00 pm</td><td>Stag Dinner Hosted by South Africans<br>(dress: business suit)</td><td></td></tr></table>

Participants:

<table><tr><td>US</td><td>South Africa</td></tr><tr><td>The Secretary</td><td>Prime Minister Vorster</td></tr><tr><td>Under Secretary Rogers</td><td>Foreign Minister Muller</td></tr><tr><td>Assistant Secretary Schaufele</td><td>B. G. Fourie, Secretary for</td></tr><tr><td>Deputy Under Secretary<br>Eagleburger</td><td>Foreign Affairs</td></tr><tr><td>Ambassador Bowdler</td><td>Ambassador Botha</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>General Van den Bergh, Director,<br>Bureau of State Security</td></tr><tr><td>Mr. Lord</td><td>J. Weilbach, Private Secretary</td></tr><tr><td>Mr. Rodman (Notetaker)</td><td>(Notetaker)</td></tr></table>

Sunday, September 5

Luncheon hosted by the Secretary, followed by informal talks.

Participants:

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PRESS

DEPARTMENT OF STATE

September 4, 1976

No. 412

REMARKS TO THE PRESS
BY
THE HONORABLE HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRETARY OF STATE
FOLLOWING HIS MEETING WITH
THE HONORABLE ANTHONY CROSLAND
BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY
IN
LONDON, ENGLAND

September 4, 1976

**QUESTION:** Is this a crucial time for Africa as a whole and southern Africa in particular?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** It's a time at which perhaps some progress may be possible. We reviewed this morning the visits of the British and the United States missions to southern Africa. We have exchanged ideas during these missions and we reviewed our conclusions which were quite parallel. We also discussed my forthcoming meeting with the South African Prime Minister and the prospects for making progress towards independence in Rhodesia and Namibia.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, did you discuss guarantees for white settlers in Rhodesia and did you come to any conclusions about that or a figure?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Both the British and U.S. Governments are working very closely together on the general concept by which progress might be made. There is no need at this point to reach any final conclusions because the negotiating isn't at a point where such decisions are necessary. But in our general approach we are very close - that is between Britain and the United States.

**QUESTION:** Do you expect to be going on to visit other leaders of Black Africa after your meeting in Zurich?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** As you know there's a meeting in Dar es Salaam this weekend of five presidents and various liberation movements. My present plan is to return to the United States after my talk with the South African Prime Minister and my return to London to exchange further thoughts with British officials and ministers. We will then send Secretary Schaufele to Africa and depending upon his report I would be prepared to go to Africa next week.

For further information contact:

**QUESTION:** Do you think this is likely sir?

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**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I don't want to prejudge what the African presidents are going to decide or what will come out of my meeting with Prime Minister Vorster. I believe that the conditions for progress in Southern Africa exist. They require very serious, very difficult negotiations, and there are many obstacles that have to be overcome, but matters having been brought to this point it would be a pity if they were discouraged.

**QUESTION:** And bearing in mind the violence of the situation do you think it makes it even more urgent to get something on the stocks, get something rolling?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I think we all agree that if there is no progress violence will increase throughout southern Africa and that this is the time to prevent the escalation of bloodshed.

**QUESTION:** Do you think we can do that, sir?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** We will make a major effort.

**QUESTION:** Good, thank you very much, sir.

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PRESS
DEPARTMENT OF STATE

September 6, 1976

NO. 416

PRESS CONFERENCE BY
THE HONORABLE HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRETARY OF STATE
HOTEL DOLDER GRAND
ZURICH, SWITZERLAND

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September 6, 1976

SECRETARY KISSINGER: First of all, I want to express my appreciation to Mr. Eagleburger for letting me get some words in before the press. He has done a distinguished job in the last few days. He has gotten his name too frequently into the newspapers, but we will take care of that later. (Laughter)

Ladies and gentlemen, let me explain first what we are trying to do; secondly, the evolution of these negotiations; and third, the various elements that have to be reconciled in these negotiations. And then I will take your questions.

The United States is making an effort to bring an end to the mounting crisis in southern Africa. The United States is conscious of the fact that an escalating guerrilla war is already taking place in Rhodesia, that conditions in Namibia will inevitably lead to a similar crisis. And, of course, we are also aware of conditions in South Africa. The United States is making a serious effort in order to see whether we can achieve the following objectives: majority rule and minority rights; a peaceful end to the disagreement; and negotiation that enables all of the communities to live side by side under conditions of dignity and progress. We do so in the interest of world peace, because continuing conflict in Africa will inevitably bring in the interests of outside powers and runs a major risk of turning Africa into an area of contention of non-African countries. We do so in the national interest of the United States, because of our interest. We have a profound interest in a world of peace, in a world that respects human dignity and in conditions of economic advance. And thirdly, and above all, we do it in the interest of the peoples of the area. They will be those who suffer most from a continuation of conflict. They will have to pay the price for any failure of negotiations. And they will have to be considered, as alternatives to peaceful resolution are being considered.

Now to the talks that have been taking place here in the last two days. The purpose of these talks has not been to develop a joint American-South African program. The evolution of these talks

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and what has brought us to this point is as follows:

On my visit to Africa in April, all African leaders urged a solution to the problems of southern Africa through quiet discussions with the Prime Minister of South Africa; that for many of these problems, the policies of his government held the key if a peaceful solution was to be achieved. Based on these views, we initiated contact with the Government of South Africa. Prior to my meeting with Prime Minister Vorster in Germany in June, we solicited the views of the black African governments as to the subjects to be discussed, and as to the conditions under which they believe a peaceful solution to the problems of southern Africa was achievable. We presented their considerations to the South African Prime Minister in June. Those discussions led to a certain amount of progress. After those discussions the United States sent two missions to the black African states. The United Kingdom, whose role is crucial in all of these actions, which has a historic responsibility for Rhodesia, and to whose cooperation and wisdom in this matter I would like to pay tribute, also sent two missions to Africa. On the basis of these two American and two British missions, a new set of considerations was developed which formed the basis for my discussions with the South African Prime Minister over the last two days. Those discussions have been fruitful. I believe that progress towards the objectives, which have been jointly developed by the United States, the United Kingdom and the states of black Africa, has been made. It is our view that a basis for further negotiations exists, though work still remains to be done. In assessing the prospects you have to keep in mind that we are dealing with a negotiation of extraordinary complexity in terms of the issues involved and in terms of the parties involved. In attempting mediation there is first of all the United States and the United Kingdom. We have worked together in close harmony and with no significant differences, but we have had to coordinate our positions and we have done so successfully. Within Africa we are dealing internationally now with two major problems -- the problem of Rhodesia and the problem of Namibia. They both have the same objectives; that is to say, independence, majority rule, minority rights, and assurances for economic progress. The United States and, I think I am safe in saying, the United Kingdom strongly support these objectives. But in achieving these objectives we are dealing with two different sets of parties in each case. The problem of Namibia is between South Africa, the various groups that have formed the constitutional conference within Namibia, and certain outside groups such as SWAPO, which had been excluded from the negotiations up to now, plus such neighboring states as Angola that has -- with which our communications are not, shall we say, ideal. With respect to Rhodesia, the problem is between four so-called front line states, that is states that are bordering Rhodesia -- four black states bordering Rhodesia; three independence movements; Rhodesian white authorities that are not recognized by either the United States or the United Kingdom, and South Africa, which does not recognize the

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Rhodesian authorities as a government, and which has given support to it in one way or another. In other words, we are dealing with two different problems, five states, four liberation movements in black Africa and South Africa, plus the authorities of Rhodesia and the authorities within Namibia. Nevertheless, with all of these complexities, and while we must expect ups and downs, I believe that conditions for a negotiation exist on both issues. The United States will work for the objectives that I have described. The United States is opposed to violence and the United States is opposed to outside intervention. The United States does believe that the objectives of majority rule, minority rights and economic progress for all the peoples of the area are attainable with patience, with good will and with dedication. And the United States is prepared together with the United Kingdom to offer its good offices in the attainment of these objectives. And now I will be glad to answer your questions.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, can you say whether you made any progress here towards setting up a negotiating framework for resolving the Namibia question?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I would like to say before I answer any questions that I hope you ladies and gentlemen will understand that at a time before we have had the opportunity to inform the leaders of black Africa of the details of the negotiations, something which we will do in the immediate future, you will understand that I cannot go into details on many of the questions that you may ask me. I believe -- just a minute, I have not answered him yet -- I believe that progress has been made towards setting up a negotiating framework but, of course, we will have to await also the reaction -- in Namibia, the reaction of other leaders.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, did Prime Minister Vorster show any signs of a willingness to recognize SWAPO in Namibia?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, the United States has stated that it favors the participation of all groups in negotiations and clearly we include SWAPO in this. It is, of course, up to the Prime Minister to speak for his position. But it is our view that a negotiating process will have to include such groups as SWAPO.

**QUESTION:** Sir, do you envisage the possibility of your meeting with Mr. Smith?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I have no present plans to meet with Mr. Smith and this would depend entirely on assurance that a successful outcome of the negotiations will occur. But at this moment there are no plans to meet with Mr. Smith and there are no -- it would be totally premature to speculate on it.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, could you tell us if you had any communication with the leaders meeting in Dar es Salaam and what your plans are regarding your trip to Africa?

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**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** There has been a meeting of the leaders in Dar es Salaam which only began a few hours ago. We have been in touch over the weekend with some of the leaders, but that was prior to their assembling. My own plans are to return to the United States tomorrow. I am ready to continue the negotiations in Africa if the parties should desire. We will communicate the results of these meetings to the parties, and we believe that conditions exist for the continuation of these negotiations.

**QUESTION:** Dr. Kissinger, I have a question in two parts. A), have you been in contact with black African leaders in Rhodesia; and B), how do you see the prospects of bringing these black leaders of Rhodesia together?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** On my trip to Africa in April, I agreed with the presidents of the so-called front line states, that is presidents that border the -- that border Rhodesia, that a repetition of Angola should be avoided. By this we mean that the outside powers, and especially the super-powers, should avoid direct contact with the so-called liberation movements; and to let the liberation movements be dealt with by the black African states. We, therefore, have been in only -- very infrequent contacts with the black leaders of Rhodesia, and we have always informed the leaders of black Africa of these contacts. We believe that the unification of this leadership is a task not for the United States, but is a task for black Africa. We hope very much that other outside powers exercise similar restraint.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, did you get an invitation to visit South Africa? Are you in favor of going there?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Prime Minister Vorster did extend an invitation to visit South Africa. A visit by me to South Africa would depend on whether negotiations on the solution of problems to southern Africa are going forward. It would, in any event, be preceded by a visit to black Africa, and the program I would take to South Africa would reflect, as did all previous programs, the considerations of the black African leaders that I have met. In other words, a visit by me to South Africa would be in the interest of peace of southern Africa and would not be a protocol visit by a Secretary of State.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, as you well know, many of the Africans have said that the time for talk is passed and the time is now for fighting. Beyond the general expression of views that you have given here as to the United States and British intentions, are you now in a position to propose specific financial, political, and other suggestions that you have been able to agree with Prime Minister Vorster to the black leaders or were you essentially only holding open the possibility of good offices without any concrete offers?

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**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** We are moving toward a position where we will be able to put to the leaders of black Africa a concrete program by which the objectives that I have described can be achieved for both Namibia and Rhodesia. We do not yet have all the details but we are moving in that direction. And the leaders of black Africa at that point will have to decide first whether the program meets those needs, which I would hope it does, and whether they are prepared to go the route of negotiations, or whether they prefer the route of armed struggle.

**QUESTION:** Just to follow that up, does that represent a joint US-South African position, or individual views which vary on the two subjects in some respect on Rhodesia and Namibia?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I have pointed out that there is no joint US-South African position. The proposals we have put to South Africa have emerged from our discussions with the leaders of black Africa. Of course, those that are then accepted by South Africa would tend to create a consensus. And in any negotiation a point must be reached where all parties agree, if they are to succeed. But the proposals we have put forward had been developed first in consultation with the leaders of Africa, and are now being discussed with leaders of South Africa.

**QUESTION:** In case that the African summit in Tanzania decides on black rule in Rhodesia and Namibia, what will be your next step?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I do not want to speculate on decisions that the summit in Dar es Salaam may make. If it recommends a majority rule in Rhodesia and Namibia, the United States has already indicated its support for it. The issue is not what is the objective but how it is to be achieved--one, by what negotiating procedure, and second, under what concrete conditions. And there we have attempted to shape the proposals we have received from Africa and the views we have heard from South Africa into the program which we hope will be acceptable to all of the parties. But, of course, the solution can only come by the agreement of the parties concerned, and not by an imposition of the United States.

**QUESTION:** Does your program that you are drawing up involve changes in South Africa as well as Namibia?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** The negotiations, the international negotiations at this moment concern Rhodesia and Namibia. The United States has stated its view with respect to South Africa last week and has had a response from South Africa as well.

**QUESTION:** Does South Africa (inaudible)?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** No. It has been publicly stated. And I am certain that the Prime Minister of South Africa will speak for himself when he meets the press.

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**QUESTION:** Has South Africa agreed to help finance any guarantees program in Rhodesia?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** There has been an extraordinary amount of speculation about this so-called guarantees program. Our concern is not simply to deal with the minority -- with the white minority in Rhodesia; our concern is an economic program that brings about the economic advancement of all of Rhodesia, and within that context to provide opportunities for all races and all communities to live side by side with some security and with some assurances against rapid changes in their position. This program is still in a state of evolution and its details will have to await the precise discussions, though progress has been made in these and previous talks.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, it has been reported this morning on the radio that if the Dar es Salaam people take the results of your talks quite well, it is thought that there may be a Namibia conference in Geneva quite shortly, by the beginning of October, say.

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I do not want to go into specifics over negotiations that are still going on. But obviously, if independence for Namibia is to be achieved, there will have to be a conference. There has to be a location, and there will have to be an agreement as to participants. And you can safely assume that this is one of the subjects we are discussing right now. (Laughter)

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, you are to meet tomorrow President Giscard d'Estaing. Will you discuss with him about the selling to South Africa of its installations for treatment (inaudible)?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I do not commit suicide twice in a row. (Laughter) It's also physically impossible (laughter). And I will attempt to arrive in France for once without outraged statements in the French press. When I meet the President of France, my primary objective is to review with him the state of these negotiations, and the world situation, as we always do in a spirit of friendship and cooperation. I do not have on my agenda any specific French commercial transactions, but rather the general strategy that the United States and other countries are pursuing with respect to southern Africa, to get the benefits of the views of a leader whose opinion we value greatly and of whose friendship we are proud.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, you used the term progress here and so did Mr. Vorster. Progress, of course, is a very rubbery term diplomatically. Is there any way under the limitations upon you, with your diplomatic requirements, that you can be in any way any more specific on any one of these spheres rather than telling us that progress has been made? Can you give us any kind of measurement or increment of progress?

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**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Should I say progress is at hand?
(Laughter)

We change the noun every four years. I would say we have made progress both with respect to procedure and with respect to substance. I would want to repeat again that I measure this progress by the opinions we have previously collected from our various missions to Africa, and the objectives which we have stated for the United States and I believe for the United Kingdom. And we believe that progress is being made with respect both to the procedures and to the substance, though, of course, the many parties that I have described previously must make the final judgment on that.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, when will the proposals you have outlined here be presented to the (inaudible)?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Our tentative plan is to send Assistant Secretary Schaufele to Africa, but we may modify this. But this is our tentative plan and in any event, you can be sure that by one means or another they will be presented within the next forty-eight hours.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, before these negotiations started, before the talks here started, it was generally thought that the Namibian problem might be a little more tractable than the Rhodesian one. Is that still your view now?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, anybody who makes estimates of the tractability of African problems is being very rash. I would think that the Namibian problem, having fewer parties, and being at an earlier phase in which procedure is as yet more dominant than substance, may lend itself to more rapid progress. I want to make clear that as far as the United States is concerned we are prepared to move at a pace as rapid as it is possible to achieve agreement among the parties on both of these issues.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, how (inaudible) will the United Nations come into the negotiations?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, the United Nations has, of course, a role in South-West Africa which some of its representatives carry out very vocally. There will be a role for the United Nations and this is one of the subjects that is now under discussion. But the United States supports a role for the United Nations in these negotiations. I will take one more question.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, how much further do you think your negotiations about Rhodesia can go on without contact or reference to what is the de facto government?

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SECRETARY KISSINGER: Well, somebody will have to be in contact
with the authorities in Salisbury, and I believe that those
possibilities of contact exist but it doesn't necessarily have to
be the United States at this stage.

Thank you very much.

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE

September 7, 1976

NO. 419

REMARKS TO THE PRESS BY
THE HONORABLE HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRETARY OF STATE
FOLLOWING HIS MEETING
AT THE ELYSEE WITH
PRESIDENT GISCARD D'ESTAING
PARIS, FRANCE

SEPTEMBER 7, 1976

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I am not used to this arrangement. I am used to a mob scene. Ladies and gentlemen, the President and I had a two-hour conversation which was very cordial and in which we reviewed the world situation. I informed the President about the initiatives that the United States has taken with the support of Great Britain in southern Africa and especially about my talks with the Prime Minister of South Africa, as well as what we are planning for the future. We discussed the situation in the Middle East, the general problems connected with the proliferation of nuclear technology and nuclear weapons. The French Foreign Minister gave us his impressions of the state of the North-South dialogue, and of the prospects which he sees for it. As I said, the discussions were conducted in a very cordial atmosphere and were from our point of view extremely productive, and it is always a great privilege for me and a great benefit to have an opportunity to exchange ideas with the President.

I will be glad to take a few questions.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, did you receive any assurance from the French President on the nuclear sales to Pakistan you were concerned about?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** We did not discuss the question of any particular sale. We discussed the general question of proliferation policy of our two countries. As you know, there is a national study going on in the United States about our policies. There is, as I understand it, a policy review going on in France about France's national policy, and as these reviews continue we will no doubt exchange ideas on it, but we did not discuss any one particular sale.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, did you discuss President Giscard d'Estaing's proposal for (inaudible) Africa?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** We discussed the French proposal for a fund to Africa. The United States has always welcomed this

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initiative by President Giscard. The United States supports it,
the United States is prepared to contribute to it, and it is
awaiting French initiatives to implement it.

QUESTION: (Inaudible)

SECRETARY KISSINGER: We discussed the situation in Lebanon and
the general prospects for peace in the Middle East.

QUESTION: (Inaudible)

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I'll do almost anything to get out of the
United States during election time.

QUESTION: Are these prospects for peace any better, sir?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: The United States strongly supports move-
ment toward peace in the Middle East, and of course, it hopes
very much for a resolution in Lebanon which will permit that
country to maintain its unity, integrity and sovereignty. We
believe that the objective conditions to begin movement toward
peace in the Middle East exist. And the United States will support
them.

QUESTION: (Inaudible)

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I am awaiting the conclusion of the
Conference of the African Presidents and liberation movements in
Dar es Salaam. As I pointed out, some progress has been made
in the discussions, and if the United States can be helpful
in speeding the independence of Namibia and majority rule in
Rhodesia, we are prepared to help but it is, of course, up to
the parties concerned.

QUESTION: Dr. Kissinger, according to you, what part could be
played by France in South African problems?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: France has a distinguished and historic role
in Africa. And France has great influence in the Francophone
countries as well as in other parts of Africa. This is why the
United States, in our initiatives, has always consulted closely
with the President and the Foreign Minister of France, and we
are confident that France will use its influence to promote peace
and progress in southern Africa.

QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, can you tell us, is it likely that the
United States will grant asylum to the Soviet pilot who flew his
plane into Japan yesterday?

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**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Frankly, this happened while I was traveling and without advance notification to me, so my assumption is that if he asked for asylum in the United States, that we will probably grant it. If we don't, you know I've been overruled.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, will there be a shift toward agreement in the North-South Conference that is coming up?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, I have the impression, based on the report given to me by the French Foreign Minister that he's hopeful that progress can be made. We certainly have, in our talks with the Canadian Foreign Minister, attempted to indicate bases on which we are prepared to move forward and my impression, based on the conversation this morning, is that progress is possible and if so, the United States will strongly support it.

Thank you.

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DEPARTMENT OF STATE

September 7, 1976

No. 420

STATEMENTS BY
THE HONORABLE HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRETARY OF STATE
AND HANS-DIETRICH GENSCHER
FOREIGN MINISTER OF
THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
UPON ARRIVAL AT HAMBURG AIRPORT
HAMBURG, FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
SEPTEMBER 7, 1976

SECRETARY KISSINGER (In German): I am glad to have the opportunity to report to the Foreign Minister and the Chancellor about my talks with the South African Ministers. We are trying to prevent the expansion of the war in Rhodesia and South-West Africa and to reach a peaceful solution by means of negotiations. Relations between Europe and Africa are of great importance, and, therefore, we discuss all our initiatives with our friends and allies in the Federal Republic. For me, it is a great personal pleasure to see the Chancellor and the Foreign Minister here and to consult with them.

(In English): I am coming here to report to the Chancellor and the Foreign Minister about my discussions with the South African Prime Minister about the initiatives the United States is undertaking in southern Africa to prevent an expansion of the conflict and to find a negotiated solution. The problems of Africa are not problems for the United States alone; they concern Europe deeply as well, and in Namibia, of course, the Federal Republic has a very special historic interest. It is always a pleasure for me to see my friends the Chancellor and the Foreign Minister. We will exchange ideas on my trip and all other subjects, and I look forward very much to this opportunity to see them. Thank you.

FOREIGN MINISTER GENSCHER (In German): May I once again very cordially welcome you to the Federal Republic of Germany. The Federal Government supports within its possibilities the efforts of the American Secretary of State for a peaceful solution of the problems in southern Africa.

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September 7, 1976

No. 421

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PRESS CONFERENCE
BY
THE HONORABLE HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRETARY OF STATE
AND
CHANCELLOR HELMUT SCHMIDT
OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
HAMBURG, FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
SEPTEMBER 7, 1976

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Mr. Chancellor and Mr. Foreign Minister, let me take this opportunity first of all to thank both of you for the characteristically warm and cordial reception that we had here. It is customary for American and German Ministers to consult with each other about international events. We are at this moment engaged in discussions with various African countries, and it was therefore considered very desirable by the President as well as myself to have this opportunity to exchange ideas and to obtain the views of the Chancellor and the Foreign Minister. We reviewed the negotiations with respect to southern Africa; we discussed the situation in the Middle East; we talked also about the Law of the Seas Conference and about East-West relations in general. Relations between our two countries are close; the coordination of policies is taking place on every level, including the higher level. The policies of both countries have shown great continuity and will continue to show this, and for all these reasons it has been a great pleasure for me to be here. I want to thank the Chancellor and the Foreign Minister for giving us this opportunity to exchange ideas.

**CHANCELLOR SCHMIDT:** I don't think I have to add much to this, ladies and gentlemen. We have touched upon just about all areas of foreign policy. Secretary Kissinger has already mentioned some of them. I should add that, of course, we have talked especially about East-West relations, the continuation of the policy of "relaxation of tensions," about the agreements to which both the United States of America and we are signatory parties, and the observance of which by ourselves and by the other treaty partners we both feel is of great importance. Maybe I should confine myself to this and leave room for questions, which, as I hope, will be directed mainly to Mr. Kissinger, who as the guest here will be the more interesting man to answer than the born Hamburger or the Wuppertaler who came to us via Bremen from Saxony to become Foreign Minister.

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**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, since you both talked about Africa, may I talk about Africa? Can you make it official, sir, that you will be going to an African shuttle, when will you go, to which capitals will you go, and which parties will you negotiate between?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I cannot at this point make it official. We have had a communication from the Tanzanian Government that they would welcome a visit. I would like to wait, however, until Assistant Secretary Schaufele, who is now on his way to Tanzania, has had an opportunity to talk to President Nyere and maybe to other Presidents who have been at this meeting before we make the final decision whether to go.

**QUESTION:** What are the odds, in fact, sir, that you will go, and could you outline the kind of shuttle in which you would engage?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, I think it would depend very much on the decisions of the summit, of which we have not yet been formally informed. What we will attempt to do is to bring together the so-called front line presidents that are concerned with Rhodesia, as well as the liberation movements concerned with Rhodesia, on a negotiated program for majority rule and minority rights and an end of warfare in Rhodesia. We would also encourage the process of negotiation that may be possible with respect to Namibia. The United States' objective is to avoid violence. We cannot support violence, and we are bound to oppose foreign interventions. But we will support peaceful negotiations between the various parties. Which countries would be visited — I will want to wait until we have had the official communications from the summit.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, although you have not had formal notification from Dar [es Salaam], you know that they finished their deliberations with a brief statement that said that they intend to further intensify the armed struggle. What kind of an analysis do you make of that?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I cannot make a judgment as to this. The United States' position is to encourage a peaceful solution, to bring about conditions in which majority rule, minority rights, and economic progress can be achieved without violence.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, how soon could you be prepared to leave, sir?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, it is difficult to speculate, but I would be prepared, if the conditions were right, I could leave perhaps next week sometime. But I want to repeat I would first want to await the report of Assistant Secretary Schaufele.

**QUESTION:** When would you expect to receive this?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** I would think that I would have heard from him by Thursday morning.

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identity of views between Chancellor Schmidt, the Foreign Minister, and ourselves on the issues of East-West relations. As far as the United States is concerned, we will consider the policy of relaxation of tension or detente, which has now been again legitimized by the Republican Platform (laughter), and because we believe that it is necessary for world peace and for the future of mankind. We also believe, however, that such a policy must be based on the strict fulfillment of the letter and the spirit of existing treaties, and we will insist on this, just as we are prepared to carry out the letter and spirit of the existing arrangements. The Quadripartite Agreement on Berlin is an important aspect of this policy and an important test of the sincerity of Soviet intentions. The United States attaches the greatest importance to the strict fulfillment of the provisions of this agreement and the greatest importance to the integrity and freedom of Berlin, and this is a constant policy of the United States which we shall continue to pursue.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, what kind of possibility do you foresee concerning Namibia or SWAPO to join in? Is it possible (inaudible)?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Well, I do not think it would be appropriate for me to give details of discussions that may be taking place. The United States position has been that all authentic groups, among whom we would include SWAPO, should participate in any talks that might be held on the future of Namibia. What the framework of these talks should be -- that remains to be discussed in any negotiations that could place over the next few weeks.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Secretary, have you been in contact with SWAPO leaders or Mr. Ian Smith in the lead-up to these discussions or during these discussions with Mr. Vorster?

**SECRETARY KISSINGER:** Under Secretary Rogers and Assistant Secretary Schaufele on their recent trip through Africa had a conversation with the head of SWAPO in addition to conversations with the presidents of African states.

**QUESTION:** Mr. Chancellor, while I recognize that your discussions with Mr. Kissinger may be preliminary on this point, could you clarify, sir, whether your conception would be of a German national contribution to financial guarantees for southern Africa, or are you speaking possibly in terms of a European Commission or contribution or support?

**CHANCELLOR SCHMIDT:** You were right in your introductory remark, that we were treating this matter in "preliminary talks," but I want in any case go go so far as to say that up to now we have not spoken about a common European contribution through the EEC.

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