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Amb. Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger

11:44 a.m., February 15, 1974

D: Good morning, Dr. Kissinger.

K: I want to congratulate you, Mr. Ambassador.

D: What have I done now?

K: For 24 hours there has been no single outrageous statement out of
Israel.

D: Yeah. If you think that was easy (laughter).

K: I just want you to know that I appreciate the cooperation.

D: Not only this but we were very angry at the Syrians and I prevented
them from doing anything rash.

K: Now, you know, this guy's meeting for a summit.

D: Yeah.

K: You have to understand our sensitivity.

D: Yeah, I understand it. But I conveyed this to them because the Syrians
were really going out of their mind the last 24 hours -- shooting civilians.

K: What I can't -- someday when you and I meet just as friends --

D: We always meet as friends.

K: No, I mean -- but then it isn't an official conversation.

D: Right.

K: Don't get presumptuous, we don't always meet as friends. (laughter)

D: (laughter) I can't even claim friendship anymore.

K: No, I didn't mean it. Now, what really worries me -- and this has
nothing to do with any policy -- is this total absorption in domestic
policy which your system imposes on you. Really in terms of the
survival, I am sure that the Prime Minister doesn't wish it that way.

D: Now it's more than ever. It is really a very peculiar period which
will end I hope when we have a new government.

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K: But what you need more than anything now is some wise leadership, which you in fact have -- not in your Foreign Ministry I don't believe.

D: No, I don't believe. But, Mr. Secretary, I can't agree with you more. You can't imagine how it disturbs my work. My every day work. And the Prime Minister suffers probably more than all of us.

K: But you know you're in mortal danger. You really are in mortal danger if you look at long-term trends.

D: Yeah.

K: And your people cannot focus on it except in terms of day to day tactics.

D: That is correct. But, as I say, I highly believe that this is a temporary situation because, as you know, it's from our point of view -- not mine.

K: No, no, from your point of view. From our point of view, it's irritating.

D: Yeah.

K: But our survival won't get affected. It may hurt you here.

D: Yeah.

K: But it's from your point of view that I'm worried.

D: I agree with you. And I had a long discussion on this with the Prime Minister. She said may want to come over and help me form the government and you'll see what I have to face. She's facing an impossible leaders' block that is undermining the negotiation. Not for the conversions business; this is nonsense. Because they insist on having a National Unity Cabinet. They want to be [equal?] in the Cabinet. The Prime Minister realizes that if this happens, then we immobilize totally any ability of our political action for the next four years, which is suicide. On the other hand, they wouldn't enter into the Cabinet without it. So right now we are facing a choice of either having a 61 majority on ______ coalition or to go to new elections. That is the situation.

K: But why don't you go to new elections?

D: Because the Prime Minister wants -- because she believes that the party can fair much better.

K: Because I think you probably got all the negative votes -- you've got a lot of negative votes last time just as a protest to the war.

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D: Right, right.

K: They've had their chance now.

D: That is their opinion. That's the voters opinion. But Dayan and Eban are reluctant to go to new elections. But we might have no choice. I mean, we might have no choice and we will do this. But this explains, Mr. Secretary, the [sensitivity?]. I want to tell you normally we are not as bad as what appears now. Because this is really -- And on the other hand, their daily [coup] going to town, every day they are calling the government into parliament for a vote of non-confidence which means the government has to express .... They are spreading rumors that we are capitulating to the Americans and the Syrians on the prison-- You know, so this is the atmosphere in the country. They are talking about the issues which are laden with emotion. So it's very easy to rally people around in effect that you want the prisoners back. But I think the answer the Prime Minister gave in Parliament, and even Eban had a good answer yesterday in Parliament, explaining to them that nobody disputes that we want the prisoners back. The question is how wisely to do it.

K: Exactly. Well, I think actually on the prisoner issue Eagleburger gave you a briefing didn't he?

D: Yeah, yeah.

K: I was at a meeting. We are going to hear from the Syrians but we don't know what it is yet. All I know is that Boumediene told us that we would hear from the Syrians.

D: On the timed visit?

K: Well, about the prisoners in detail. But I think -- I gave you my judgment that the proposal you made will be accepted.

D: Yeah.

K: And we have not yet had the absolutely final word.

D: Yeah.

K: Now, but my strong opinion is that these two maniacal Arabs who are coming here want to take me out to the Middle East with them.

D: Right.

K: Because Boumediene has also written me that my appearance in the Middle East would have a soothing effect on the population-- on the situation.

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D: Mr. Secretary, I can't resist it -- that anyone would believe that your visit has a soothing effect on anyone. (laughter)

K: I treat Arabs differently from the way I treat Jews. I sooth Arabs.

D: (laughter) No, I told Eagleburger my first -- naturally I pass it onto the Prime Minister. She has the cable by now and she is reading it. And I hope you have a reaction (today). But I told Larry what my first reaction is, and I am usually right on this, as long as we can separate the issues of the prisoners from your visit, I think we are preparing a very good ground for your visit.

K: Well, look, what I would like to do -- As long as you work out -- I can hold out on the prisoners by saying that there's no sense my coming until I get the prisoners.

D: Right.

K: And I have that Latin American Foreign Ministers meeting, which in fact makes it impossible for me to come.

D: Right.

K: But just for term planning, it is hard in the face of the embargo -- if they offer to lift the embargo -- I mean, not to come then the week after this.

D: Yeah. You mean, after the Mexican thing?

K: Right. So just in terms of your own planning.

D: Yeah. No, that I understand. And I have said this to Larry, that -- Well, I was hoping they would not from your point of view, they wouldn't tie your visit to the embargo but of course whatever they will do that is between you and them. But we for us, just in case -- and also for you if I may, Mr. Secretary, no matter what explanations will be offered, if you go to the Middle East before the issue of the prisoner is resolved, everyone will interpret it that you are coming to put pressure on Israel in order to give up on the matter of the prisoners.

K: Unless I can demonstrate that you didn't give up on the matter of the prisoners.

D: That's right. That it is so.

K: Well, look, if your plan gets accepted --

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D: Right. That means that we --

K: Look, there's no chance of my coming unless your plan is accepted.

D: Right, right.

K: In which case it is the opposite. In which case I got you your prisoners.

D: Right, right.

K: So I won't come without at least your plan being accepted.

D: Right. No, I understand this.

K: But that isn't the problem. The problem is this is in the context of your plan being accepted.

D: Yeah.

K: And then I would like you to get ready on the substance. I will not -- I have given you my word that I will not try to modify your plan. I've never broken my word.

D: Right. I have asked our people ~~soSECRETly~~ secretly to get on substance already a week ago when you told me that --

K: That's not the problem ~~soSECRETly~~ you face with me.

D: Yeah. No, I understand. No, but as I said to you, Mr. Secretary, after you talked to me that evening about the Syrians consent, which is about 99%, I've asked the Prime Minister that we begin to think on substance among ourselves first, you know. So that we be ready. And I think something is being done on it.

K: That's what I would strongly urge.

D: Yeah, I will emphasize it again.

K: That's your major problem. And don't spend time fighting me on the prisoner issue because I believe we will settle that in the sense that you gave.

D: Yeah.

K: And if we don't, that is not the issue between -- there is no issue between Israel and the United States.

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D: I don't fight you at all.

K: No, no; don't get your Cabinet into the mood --

D: I....

K: No, you won't. But tell your Cabinet not to get itself into the mood that if I come out there, it will concern the prisoners.

D: No, of course not.

K: If I come out there, it will concern Syrian-Israeli disengagement.

D: That is precisely so. And that would even please the Prime Minister more. Because, as you know, She didn't want to tie the two scenarios. because She thought that it is not good to do it. So, if, as I said, if our plan is accepted -- let's put it this way, you have in your hand the list of prisoners they promised for the visit which will start being executed before there is any dealings with the Syrians, either by us or by you, that could automatically. And then we can publicize it so the papers would not attack or would not connect your visit with the prisoners because that will be a solved issue as far as the scenario is concerned.

K: I can give you this assurance, if there are negotiations on the Israeli-Syrian disengagement, I can't work out the tactics now because I don't know what their proposition is --

D: Yeah.

K: It will be clearly demonstrated that your essential conditions for prisoners were fulfilled.

D: Yeah, yeah.

K: Now, if I go out, we have to modify the scenario in terms of the fact that I'm out there rather than here. I mean, I can't insist -- you know, we have to work out how to stage the fact that the negotiations will not start until [visit] starts.

D: Yeah.

K: But let's not spend time on that, Mr. Ambassador, because I assure you that is not the issue.

D: Yeah.

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K: What you have to get ready for is the substance.

D: Yeah.

K: And I don't want to go out there until you've done more work on substance.

D: Yeah. Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

K: Okay. So I'll keep you informed.

D: Fine, I appreciate it.

K: Thank you.

D: And I would appreciate it, Mr. Secretary, if any new developments come --

K: I will keep you informed, Mr. Ambassador. Our relations are bad only when we have a margin for survival.

D: (laughter)

K: Under pressure we usually manage to get together.

D: That's right. The too quiet days which annoyed me to no end.

K: Ungratefully. (laughter)

D: And you don't even want to say that you will come to a private dinner that I'm holding.

K: I don't -- No, no; invite somebody -- keep it in honor of somebody else....

D: Not anyone -- it's some friends of yours and mine together. And some Senators that I think would be good that, you know, -- I'm for instance trying to get Jackson and this atmosphere I think would be much --

K: If it isn't in my honor -- the only point is, I have not -- I have rejected a hundred invitations.

D: Of course, of course. It would not be in your honor at all. It would be a private dinner at the house. And there would be most of the people that you meet when you go some.... anyone of your other friends. And it is nothing to do with Barbara Walters, for instance, is anxious to see you. And that is as good occasion as any.

K: Okay. Do you mind though if I have one social engagement next week that I don't clear with you?

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Paul Ziffren/Kissinger

2/15/74 - 12:58 p.m.

K: Hello.

Z: Henry.

K: Yes, Paul, how are you?

Z: Well, I'm fine, but how are you?

K: I'm good.

Z: Are you holding up?

K: Oh, yeah, I'm managing.

Z: When are you going to take that vacation?

K: Well, the Arabs are kicking up again so God knows if I ever get a vacation.

Z: Well, God better see that you do get a vacation. Henry, I just wanted to report to you that we are moving along on this thing. There was a meeting in New York Tuesday with a number of people, and one of the stories that they got was the fact that at one meeting Jackson drew it up and said that he doesn't think that that group represented the Jewish community and if they wanted to take that position he was going to go over their head in that kind of business, so that what they decided to do is to try to work as quietly as possible on the people who are close to him in a way that does not make it look as good trying to at least open his mind before he has a meeting with you which he still insists has got to be initiated by your calling him. But I don't think there's any sense in calling him until we get him in a proper frame of mind.

K: I'll call him fairly soon.

Z: Now, we've been doing some work with some other people. I was at a lunch yesterday with Fritz Mondale and I think we got Mondale pretty well turned around.

K: Oh good, that's important.

Z: Well, as a matter of fact, by the time I got through the conversation with him afterwards, He said, you know, I think Jackson is just using this for

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Presidential campaign purposes. You know, he turned around completely on it.

K: Terrific.

Z: Now the only trouble is that we don't want Jackson to think that this is going to be a part of the Presidential campaign against him, and so I would just as soon have Mondale not say anything to Jackson for the time being. I've been in touch with Sol Lenowitz and Sol is working on the thing and tomorrow we're supposed to get that speech from Fullman.

K: O. K.

Z: And we're going to try to get that thing circulated. So I wanted you to know that we're moving along on it. Sol is going to be in touch with (Cy?) Simon and we're going to see if we can't make a climate that will make your talk with Jackson more productive.

K: Paul, you're a good friend.

Z: Well, I feel very strongly that not only is it a matter of time, we've got to have some help, but also this is something that's got to be worked out, and anything that I can do you can depend upon me doing it. We really did as much work as I think we could do within this time limit. I talked to Cy Yester and got him pushing and we'll just keep on pushing.

K: Good. Wonderful. And let's stay in touch.

Z: Alright. I thought that the Energy Conference really came out better than we had a right to expect.

K: Well, it came out very well, and the newspapers were giving the impression that it wasn't succeeding actually helped that.

Z: Yeah. The report that I got was that Kissinger had worked his magic again. Keep on working your magic, but most important of all, please, take care of yourself, Henry.

K: Thank you.

Z: Good to talk to you.

K: Bye.

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General Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger

February 15, 1974

2:45 pm

K: Have you talked to Haig?

S: Yes. I talked to him.

K: He told me to drop dead.

S: He said "oh God". I said just relax. He is just droping by to debrief on the energy conference and talk about the Mexican conference and about the Middle East developments and I said I understand McClellan will be there too. I said you would be there about 9 or 10:00.

K: And you told him above all, I am not going to mention the Foreign Ministers. I think now it is fifty-fifty how this thing will go. I think it could turn out that Yamani is right.

S: Why would they come here.

K: Because they are embarrassed. They may come here and say if I go to the Middle East they will help me settle it.

S: That is possible. I thought they may say we are going to lift the embargo but this is what we need to do it. Even being embarrassed and negative will make it look worse for them.

K: OK.

S: Al is all primed.

K: OK, I'll see you over the weekend.

S: Try to get a little rest.

K: OK.

END

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Senator Aiken/Secretary Kissinger

February 15, 1974

3:00 pm

K: I want to tell you with what enormous regret that I learned the news that you are not going to stand for reelection.

A: Well, they say the time go to is when they are asking you to stay.

K: I think that is right and from that point of view it is the right decision. From the point of view of the country and my personal point of view I regret it.

A: Well, we have had these things before and we live through it and I'll go home and do some of the things I have wanted to do for the past thirty years.

K: Wisdom is not in excessive supply in this town now.

A: That is an understatement. It is god-awful. We have almost eleven months to function.

K: I want you to know I think of you with affection and will be in close touch.

A: Thank you.

K: Give my best to your wife.

A: Thanks a lot.

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Amb. Dinitz - Secretary Kissinger

February 15, 1974

8:00 p.m.

K: Can't there be a day when you people don't have to say something?

D: What did they say now?

K: Eban said he did not believe Sadat wanted peace.

D: Where di he say this.

K: In Tel Aviv, he said "I do not accept the definition that Sadat wants peace......" and if any of your colleagues want to take this on with its far reaching implications.....

D: Whom was he arguing with?

K: I don't care with shom, does he have to antagonize them....

D: I don't know what to say to you because, as....

K: Has Eban told you about the Saudis....

D: I know.

K: If this report is correct, and I hope it isn't, and this version of events reaches the President, you are going to have one hell of a time.

D: All right, I will try to find out what Eban was saying.

K: I don't want to make an official protest, but I don't want you to think your government is going to....

D: I'm sure it was taken out of context or something, but really, I will find out.

K: Why is it so hard ...this is not official now... can't your cabinet members shut up for awhile.

D: Maybe he's preparing himself for other things. I can't explain why my colleagues are doing this, but every Friday in Israel

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they have open sessions, everybody is going on radio and television.

K: I don't want to debate it with you. This morning I had indicated to you, remember, I indicated to you I thought you had gone soft because 24 hours had gone by without some tactless statement Why don't you recommend.

D: I will do this tomorrow.

K: Take one more crack at Sadat _________

D: The New York Times printed the same thing, _________ that means tomorrow we will _________ everybody has to prove to everybody else these days. _________

K: I am going to Little Rock and Key Biscayne. I will give your best regards to....

D: Senator Fulbright will need your regards and help. Why are you going to Little Rock?

K: To brief him.

D: Yesterday I appeared on Martin Agronsky with O'Leary who was very funny and is a good friend.

K: O'Leary isn't bad!

D: They asked why do you thin the Arabs are coming to Washington and I said I don't know I didn't know I hadn't had a chance to study it, I had just found out on the way over.

K: Why didn't you saw there were only 8 Jews and it takes 10 to make a semitic service.

D: They said why are they sopping in Paris and I said for refueling.

K: They told us they will not see the French.

D: O'Leary said they were probably going to Paris to congratulate the French for representing them so well in Washington at the last conference. On this other thing I will call, but its every Friday night, I don't know why but they have to say something.

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K: Yes, but what about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday...

D: Thursday they didn't say anything.

K: Let's see Thursday, not your're right.

D: Will say xxx tonight's cable, please until....

K: Until we get these Arabs. They are going to see the President, just for your own self-preservation.

D: Are they going to see the President? When I talked to Eagleburger he said don't exclude the fact Sadat is sending messages of doom and destruction so that wehn the two emissaries get here it will look like a compromise.

K: I don't believe that one message because we got a different one from Boumediene.

D: I think I have got good news for you, not on the oil thing, but next week Mr. Secretary I will recommend to you that you meet with Jackson.

K: Oh, good.

D: I think there's a movement that will make him more seriously consider talking to you.

K: I will be ready.

D: But wait until I tell you next week so I will know exactly what he things at that time. I think he will be ready for a sensible compromise. I wasn't going to tell you but since you are beginning to think again that I am obnoxious....

K: No, no.....

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Friday, Feb. 15, 1974

3:05 p.m.

K: Two things. One, we have had another word now which makes it look dubious what these two characters are coming here for. One word from Yahmani, whom I consider the Sonnenfeldt of Saudi Arabia, indicates the word is no. Perhaps no one told him and he is trying to show off. My view is unless there is a clearcut unambiguous cutoff the President must not see them.

H: I agree. That is bad news. Sorry to hear that. What did he say?

K: They are adding more conditions. The Syrians are saying this is the only weapon they have left and they have to use it and that, of course, is not what we can accept. Then the Palestinians will want to use it.

H: That is right.

K: I will be down tonight.

H: Good, Henry. I am worried you are not getting any time at all to rest.

K: No. They obviously want me to go to the Middle East again and I am getting sort of fed up. I had hoped to have two days of rest.

H: You are going to have to do it.

K: You know I am stopping in Little Rock. I know your instincts are against it.

H: Only because you are losing time. It is up to you.

K: In terms of buttering up this guy it is worth it. I have McClellan coming to the airport. I think it is money in the bank.

H: Just a drag on you. I am just worried about your not getting any rest.

K: Yes. We have to do it.

H: Don't worry about the other. If we have it we have it, if we ain't, we ain't.

K: If not, we have to be tough. When is the President coming back?

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Mr. Sonnenfeldt/Secretary Kissinger

February 15, 1974

3:25 pm

K: I noticed the cable has not yet gone that I wanted on the preparatory group. You guys are going to do what I want..

S: Mr. Secretary, I cleared that cable I don't know how long ago. I didn't believe you needed to clear off on it, but I don't know where it has gone.

K: Now I am leaving town and it can't go until I get back. I don't know where it stands.

S: If you want to know, I told Springsteen you didn't have to see it again.

The Secretary then terminated the conversation.

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Amb. Dinitz - Secretary Kissinger

February 15, 1974

3:32 p.m.

D: I just talked to the Prime Minister since she read the cables
I sent and she asked me to tell you with regard to the scenario
on the basis of the most recent cables, the new one, from the Saudis,
she doesn't feel we should conclude the scenario, between us, but wait
and see ....

K: I agree. Let's not do that now...

D: And she wanted to assure you that she and the Minister of
Defense and others are working on substance and there should
be no worry for you even when you decide to come. She wanted
to remind you again that the issue of the prisoners should be
settled.

K: I told you I don't want to hear that again.

D: I'm just reporting Mr. Secretary. She was in a very good
mood and she asked me to thank you for participating and that
she appreciates your confidence. She wanted to assure you
personally that she and her ministers will be mum for the next
36 or even 72 hours.

K: At least as long as the Arabs are here.

you

D: It might cause some pleasure, but it will give her a lot of
pleasure and then maybe you can keep them there for a few weeks
so that they would be silenced for a few weeks.

K: Give her my warm regards.

D: I will. I told her you were going to Little Rock, Arkansas.
She hopes you are going with guards.

K: Tell her this is my insurance policy in case he wins.

D: He has no chance.

K: Oh, really. Are there two candidates now?

D: Bump (?) is running. I heard the public opinion polls
say there is less than a 30% in Arkansas who support Fulbright.
O'Leary told me he heard Fulbright is in real trouble.

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General Haig/Secretary Kissinger

February 17, 1974

1:00 pm

K: How are you?

H: Good. How did the meeting go?

K: It is coming along. I have stunned them totally by that approach. And I think we will get everything.

H: Good. Good.

K: I think he ought to see them because I think there is a chance they will lift it once they hoist this in, and I want to make sure he has seen them.

H: When?

K: Tuesday morning.

H: Fine.

K: They have come with a specific program which links the two together on the embargo. And, formally also that I be sent to the Middle East. And he could come out of the meeting and announce that he is sending me and then if it is lifted, he could tie it back to that conversation.

H: Yes, I agree.

K: I urge that he must be totally disciplined and aloof in that meeting. At this point, what has shaken them to the core is we are not asking them for anything. Do you think he can be gotten to do this and not promise anything?

H: Sure, I think so. In my last discussion with him -- if this is any criteria -- he is totally on board.

K: I saw these guys separately last night and separately this morning. And I'll see them together tomorrow.

H: That's good. Damn good. I know we could do this Tuesday morning.

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K: What time? 11:00?

H: Yes.

K: And then I would like to get them out of town so no one else can suck around them. Don't you think ?

H: I Good. Yes I do.

K: I don't want a story out that they had a message for the President that I insisted on taking. So we have to let them deliver the message

H: Sure.

K: And just on the chance that they are caving -- and I rate it at fifty/fifty -- I think it is better that the President has seen them.

H: Yes and you are the best judge of their attitude.

K: Their attitude is that there is a chance again, but I don't want him to salivate.

H: He won't .

K: I had a good talk with the Saudi hold it tough we'll do fine.

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H: I agree with you. They are intrigued by that.

K: I don't think they will put it on again.

H: They have learned. How is everything else?

K: Don't tell me the weather is good down there.

H: Not bad, cooler, the sun is out.

K: You'll be back by tomorrow.

H: Yes, about 5:30 or 6:00.

K: We'll set itx the appointment for 11:00 on Thursday.

H: Good.

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3:10 p.m.

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K: Do you know what the hell they're doing?

S: Yes, there is a group going out.

K: Let's just (a) make sure we pay for it, and (b) let's get these guys who we mined in VietNam (who didn't we mine in VietNam?).

S: That's right.

K: Tell Moorer its high priority and I want to have an answer in a few days.

S: I'll get him right on it.

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K: Ismail, you really.... There's one subject we didn't discuss today which we really should discuss tomorrow, you and I alone at some point, that's your March 1 visitor, you know that whole complex of questions.

F: Yah, shouldn't worry about that.

K: I'm not worried, I just want to coordinate.

F: Good, just give me instructions what I'm supposed to do, and I'll
do it.

K: Listen, you deel. I said coordinate. The first day I give you instructions I'm going to go the same way as your March 1 visitor. Unfortunately you are very proud.

F: I understand and you are really very considerate.

K: No, I think....you are so sarcastic, and you know how you can upset me this way. All right, so why don't you and Saqaaf come at 11:30 and right from there we have lunch.

F: Okay. It will be done.

K: And, we will see.

F: Good.

K: And we will arrange a meeting with the President for Tuesday morning.

F: At the State Department?

K: Tomorrow you come to the State Department and Tuesday you go and see the President.

F: Okay. Will you be present when I see the President, or....

K: Look, if you think I trust you with the President alone, you're mad. I'm going to be there.

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Senator Mansfield - Secretary Kissinger

February 18, 1974

8:24 a.m.

K: I called you last night but you had already left for the theatre. I wanted to tell you, on a confidential basis, where we stand. It has to be very confidential, but these governments have made three decisions: (1) They are going to lift the embargo without conditions at the next meeting of the oil ministers in ...not for about two weeks though. (2) Because of the tough situation the Syrians have they want us to make some move to help them get enough movement so the Syrian President can vote for it. They would construe a visit by me to the area as sufficient movement as long as the talks get started. This will be decided by the President today. They have made a specific request that I come out.

M: Well, you can't avoid it.

K: It may get me into trouble in Montana.

M: No it won't. We will put you down for another date as soon as you can.

K: They will?

M: Oh, yes.

K: But I don't see how I can refuse it.

M: Oh, no. You can't. That certainly takes precedence.

K: Again, confidentially, there is a very good chance, I have talked to them, but there is no sense in coming out if we can't get a list of prisoners, then we can't get the talks started. I'll know that tomorrow morning...I'll tell you on the plane, but there's a very good chance we will get the prisoner list.

M: The big thing is Israel. Don't worry about Montana. We will keep you on the on-call list.

K: They don't want any mention. They say that all the time and then the people in the Executive branch start leaking all over the place, but they want it to look like their decision, ...

M: Well, Fahmi indicated they had good news...

K: Well, these guys are blabbing so much since they've been here.

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The President/Sec. Kissinger

Monday, Feb. 18, 1974

10:00 a.m.

N: Hi, Henry.

K: Mr. President, I just wanted to bring you up to date on where the matter stands with these foreign ministers.

N: Right.

K: I followed the strategy which you and I discussed the other day which amazed them because they had come here to haggle to see what we would pay for the embargo. Now I have the strong impression that they are going to lift it anyway and therefore I think you should see them.

N: Well, I told Haig if that is what you wanted to do we will do it.

K: But I think you should be very aloof and not offer anything to them. We've offered them everything there is to offer now and I don't think they need any additional reassurances and they are not really looking for that now.

N: What are they looking for then?

K: Well, I think they want to deliver to you the message they've got which is a little bit ambiguous but which I think, in practice -- I've told them that we can't accept any conditions. They were going to link it to Syrian disengagement. I said that under those conditions you can't meet them so they are now going to take that linkage out and they are just going to state it as a series of three unlinked propositions; that they have agreed to the principle of lifting the embargo, that they want progress on Syrian disengagement, they want me to come to the Middle East but they don't make those three things conditional on each other. Absolutely.

N: As far as the thing is concerned we will meet with them and talk to them a little.

K: I thought if you wanted to you could step out with them and say you are sending me back out to the Middle East.

N: Or we could say it while we are in the room. We will feel something out on that.

K: That is what they want and that is what they want to have announced anyway. It doesn't make any difference who does it. It just one way of emerging with something and then if they do lift the embargo it would be linked back to this meeting. They say any discussion of lifting will

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them. They are going to try to have a meeting of the oil ministers within
two weeks.

N: That is two weeks later than they are supposed to already.

K: That's right.

N: I wonder then if they say no discussion of the embargo if it is really
worth having them and the fact that you are going to the Middle East is not
going to -- you know -- we have been around that track before, Henry
and it hasn't helped on the embargo. You see, my only interest is the
embargo. That's the only thing the country is interested in. They don't
give a damn what happens to Syria. That is our problem. I think we
should see them but I don't know that we want to build up the fact that you
are going out there if it cannot be in anyway linked to the embargo --
you see the problem we've got there.

K: Well, it can't be linked to the embargo, Mr. President, and I think
the more we build up the embargo the less we are going to get it. The
most effective thing I have found with them is when I told them Saturday
night that we don't want to discuss it anymore.

N: Well, that may be effective in terms of their thinking. They want to
have their cake and eating it too.

K: No, no. It was effective in getting it lifted.

N: I hope so. I think we will get out the announcement.

K: It doesn't have to be done then, Mr. President. I just thought--

N: It ought to be done right there. They will leak it out anyway right away.

K: If it happens within two weeks as they say it will then even though you can't announce it tomorrow it will be linked back to that meeting.

N: At least it will show some action. O.K., Henry, that is what we will
do -- meet them about 11:00.

K: Right. Eleven o'clock and if I may I could come in half an hour before.

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N: Sure, sure. Let Steve know when you want to come and I will keep it open. Good. Hope you are not wearing yourself out again.

K: You know these characters all wanted individual meetings rather than a joint meeting and I've got them again today.

N: Gosh. Try to get that rubdown artist over there. I have ordered him out there.

K: Fine.

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Senator Fulbright - Secretary Kissinger

February 18, 1974

10:10 a.m.

K: Mr. Chairman. How are you?

F: I'm fine. I just got back last night.

K: I called but you were not back yet. It was an interesting play, incidentally. It states a lot of profound philosophical propositions in a bizarre way which is the only way you can be serious in the theatre these days I guess.

F: I think the visit was great success. I will get you the editorial, they did an excellent editorial.

K: In the Gazette?

F: Yes. The following Sunday.

K: I thought the questions were very friendly.

F: They were. I thought the press behaved extremely well.

K: And the coverage here, what little there was, was strictly substantive I called you last night to bring you up to date on where we stand with these two foreign ministers, and this has to be strictly for your information...

F: Sure.

K: They have had three propositions: (1) They are going...they will lift the embargo at the next meeting of the oil producers, but they don't want any discussion of it before. Having said this, of course, The Egyptian foreign Minister runs around town making enigmatic statements but that's their problem. Secondly, they want progress in, nevertheless on the Syrian side and thirdly, they want me to come out quickly as a way of getting the talks started between Syria and Israel. Its a little bit absurd to have two foreign Ministers come collect a Jewish Secretary of State, but I can help them a little bit perhaps. They were going to stay here and cart me back to the Middle East with them, but I convinced Saqaaf I couldn't cancel the Mexico City meeting and couldn't go until next week but I probably will have to go out there next week. But there is a possibility we can settle it and not just get the talks started, of course we would have to work out the prisoner issue.

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F: You see, when you become indispensable ... an indispensable man, it becomes difficult to discharge your duties. That's the problem. Say one comment made by one of the more sophisticated members ... Len Williams ... he said "My god, it was a work of art. It was subtle as the Mona Lisa." But none of them wrote in such a fashion.

K: I have not seen any such comment.

F: It really went off well, it couldn't have been better.

K: Well I did it out of a very deep conviction.

F: I appreciate that and it was done so well, the timing, everything went off well.

K: The Press conference, too, due to the cooperation of your people down there, it was at a very high level.

F: I was really pleased with them. I thought there would be a few snide comments.

K: How does it look now with the Governor.

F: We think that many other things have deterred him, he keeps postponing and the longer he does that the less likely he is ... he may decide not to run.

K: That would be good for the country.

F: That would be a very good thing. That's why I'm staying down there so much. I expect I will go back until he makes up his mind.

K: You did understand you were invited to come along to Mexico. Our understanding was you really didn't have the time.

F: Right. I don't think it would be wise under the circumstances. Yes, I appreciate that but I don't think I should. So you really feel they will lift it, when about?

K: Probably about May 2 or 3 it looks like.

F: I think that's very good news because psychologically it would be a tremendous lift on the situation. There's a great deal of hoarding and speculation that takes place, it would relieve the situation, they would quit hoarding and quit the speculation and that would be a tremendous thing. If we can keep from making mistakes. They must have reason to believe you can move the Syrians.

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K: I think I can move the Syrians on the prisoner issue.

F: I still think the brig problem is Israel. We have to be very careful not to do anything they ... someplace there has to be some give.

K: I would like to get as much done without a flap so when we approach the broader issue.

F: The Jerusalem thing. I don't know what to day about it, I mean I don't want to cause you any trouble. The thing ought not to be accepted as non-negotiable. It isn't strategic enough, its purely emotional, religious thing. I think I recall the original agreement in 48 the status was to be under the jurisdiction of the UN. I don't see how they can ignore that sort of charter of independence, or almost the equivalent, its their own constitution really. They...

K: They can't give up the claim to Jerusalem, its out of the question, for the Arabs I mean.

F: That's right. Well, anything I can do just let me know.

K: I'll be in touch before I leave.

F: When are you leaving.

K: About noon tomorrow, then I'll be back Saturday and then I'll leave for the Middle East. I'll call you tomorrow before I leave.

F: OK. Good luck.

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Monday, Feb. 18, 1974

11:30 a.m.

S: I hate to take any of your time but we promised the press you know we would
put this testimony out. You have already sent it (testimony). I just want to
refer to one page, Mr. Secretary, that asks you about the reports you know --
questioning you about the report. If I may read you a short question: Did
you ever attempt to see the investigative report on that matter? Sec.
Kissinger: No, I was told (you struck out I was told I would not be
shown them.) Sen. Cannon: By whom? Sec. Kissinger: By Mr. Ehrlichmann.
Let me put it this way (now you struck that out). We have got to trace this thing
and one of the main things is why they did not do something about it. We are
going to have to try to get these reports and I think that that could well
be left in there.

K: I just did not want to trigger Ehrlichmann into another onslaught quite
honestly.

S: We are going to have to go into that question.

K: I have no objection to your going into the question.

S: Your testimony -- I know there will be others that will say this and I
hate to strike your testimony out. It is not classified in anyway and I
don't see any grounds to strike it out really.

K: If that is what you think.

S: There are going to be other witnesses I think that will say that about him.

K: Yes.

S: As I see this matter, the fact that they did not do anything about it is one
of the major points. In fact, I think your and Moorer relations and attitude
as for as the evidence shows is just ideal and no wrong doing or anything
there but I myself am concerned about why they did not do more about this
and I think that is what is on the public's mind.

K: Then why don't you leave it in.

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S: Alright. And I thank you very much. You are continuing to do a fine job and I will try to leave you alone but you call me if I can help.

K: Mr. Chairman, you could never bother me. You are always a source of strength.

S: You certainly have done a wonderful job and it seems like your work is standing up in the Middle East too.

K: I hope so and of course we have this group of men here now and I hope we are going to make some other progress.

S: Fine. That is wonderful. I will try not to bother you often.

K: Thank you.

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Monday, February 18, 1974

12:35 p.m.

K: How are you.

SK: Fine. Thank you very much.

K: In reflecting further on our conversation yesterday, it occurred
to me that I should receive that material that you wanted to give me
yesterday and then handle it from here according to the agreement or
to the procedures that I have outlined to your leaders rather than burden you
with the responsibility for it and I was wondering if you could come for a
few minutes at 2:30 today, if that would be a convenient time or tomorrow
morning whichever is convenient for you.

SK: I will call back to your secretary and I will arrange for an
appointment.

K: Good. I had not fully understood the evolution of this understanding
out of the meeting in Algeria.

SK: Very good.

K: Good and we will proceed along the lines I had outlined to your President.

SK: You are still going to Mexico on Wednesday.

K: Yes but I would proceed exactly as I told you yesterday. Nothing in
that has changed.

SK: Very good. Goody-bye, Sir.

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Arthur Burns/Secretary Kissinger

February 18, 1974

2:55 PM

B: Henry, I've got a question. Last Fall I got an invitation from the Head of the State Bank in the Soviet Union, inviting me to visit and then Dobrynin talked to me about it. He sent his Counselor over.

K: I would go.

B: I'll tell you what the status was. I told them I would be glad to go, but not immediately. I would go sometime in the spring or summer. But my immediate question is about the timing. Now I understand that the President is going to go.

K: Yes, in June.

B: In June. Should my trip come before or after or does it make no difference.

K: I would believe before.

B: Maybe in May.

K: Yes.

B: Alright.

K: Because I think their relations are getting very shaky.

B: If I run into any problems, I'll let you know, and if you think of something let me know.

K: We'll talk plenty before you go.

B: Good.

K: Alright.

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February 18, 1974

3:15 PM

K: What is the status on the speech, so I can make my plans.

L: I just don't have a feel yet, I'm working as fast as possible. It'll be sometime this evening. What time, I just don't know.

K: Will it be as early as 7:00?

L: Well, we could shoot for that. It depends if you want it as good. We could shoot....

K: No, I'd rather have it better.

L: It's a matter of whether I can break the back of this interdependence vs. hemisphere thing.

K: That's not a big intellectual problem. I just don't want the interdependence sound so much that we can't talk about a special relationship with the Western Hemisphere. That's a question of three or four sentences, it doesn't require six pages.

L: OK.

K: Because there is a certain inconsistency in it.

L: Well, we'll shoot for 7:00.

K: I just want a paragraph or two.

L: Yes, Good. We'll shoot for 7:00.

K: The way it reads now is that it's all out local multilateral interdependence and I want it written in such a way that it doesn't hit you in the eye it's inconsistent with some other arrangement. But I don't want to argue that case which is very complicated.

L: Right. I understand. OK.

K: So that's just a question of tone and emphasis, it's not a question of a lot of writing. What needs a lot of writing is the end, it's the complete part. So that the problem appears clearer and the answers crisper.

L: Right.

K: OK, Good.

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9:20, Monday, February 19, 1974

K: Have we told the Arabs about that lunch.

S: Yes we have arranged it.

K: And that it is a social lunch.

S: Right.

K: And that the Vice President has to leave early.

S: I did not know that. This is new to me.

K: I have invited him but he will leave about quarter to two.

S: When I pick them up I could tell them or I could call them.

K: Call them and tell them that he will be there with his wife and he will have to leave early.

S: Alright.

K: When are you coming in.

S: Fairly soon. I went into a line for an hour to get some gasoline this morning. I got up at 7:30. I will be in in about 20 minutes. Getting gasoline is a small problem if you are not Secretary of State. The line was around the block twice. Can you believe that?

K: Unbelievable. I note from an intelligence report that Faisal is saying he is fed up with our pressure on the oil embargo but I don't believe that.

S: While sitting in the line I was thinking about you yesterday and thinking it would be nice to get this shortage over. I will be in soon and I will call them first.

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Ambassador Dinitz
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D: Mr. Secretary.

K: Would you mind leaving my staff members alone. It is bad enough that you have the press organized.

D: What's the press doing now?

K: They are doing nothing.

D: I have them well disciplined.

K: I want them to be well disciplined. Don't argue with me. . . . . . . .
I just saw a radio report that the Prime Minister is not going to continue.
Is that <u>considerable</u> / conceivable?

D: I just talked to her on the telephone and to Dayan. They are having
a meeting this evening with the Religious party. Last attempt to convince
them to go to compromise. There was no indication, but after I saw the
Reuters report too, I asked Shalev to call and he will report to me.

K: I just wanted you to know that as obnoxious as they are, they are by
far the better group to deal with. I want you to convey my affection.

D: I have an affectionate message for you. It was too affectionate -- I
didn't want to release it directly to you.

K: I will hear from the Syrians first thing in the morning. They will
indicate their answer at 10:00 tonight but I have the impression it may be
positive.

D: How was the meeting with the President?

K: I am not in a good position to talk with you.

D: Would I be able to see you some time today?

K: Don't be presumptuous.

D: I gave up a dinner to be with you. . . Mr. Shalev has just reported:
Dayan has announced that he will not be a candidate in the future government
because the Labor Party has not given him the support. The Prime
Minister has not said anything. That doesn't mean anything -- that's politics.
He has been under heavy attack in the past. I wouldn't draw any conclusions
from this. If the Prime Minister proposed a Cabinet and asked him to stay . . .

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K: I will call you later. I have to write a speech on Latin America and even though Eban made a good recommendation I can't include it. Tell him I appreciate his thoughtful ideas.

D: Dayan called me on the guarded line and that's only the second time he called me on that line. He said that he wanted me to tell the Secretary that he greatly appreciates what you are doing.

K: But -- where is the but?

D: He didn't say any but. He just called me to say that. He said when you gave us the list he under the did not expect more than 69 people alive. When he got the number 65, he was sorry he could not rejoice with the people. We are not sentimental people.

K: I will try to see you later today. We will arrange for 6:00.

D: I was invited to Blair House -- the Vice President -- between 6:30 - 7:30. That is the only time I cannot make it.

K: I will call you.

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February 19, 1974

3:14 pm

S: How are you?

K: Fine, Omar. You're leaving at 5:00?

S: Yes, I'm leaving in 40 minutes.

K: In forty minutes. I won't be able to see you off at the airport, Omar.

S: I don't expect that.

K: Because, well I normally would.

S: I hope....

K: The reason is I have to.. it was very well worth while.

S: I saw the press after leaving.

K: You did. Well, were you friendly or were you difficult?
very

S: They were friendly and I was too.

K: Good.

S: Most of the story was on the friendship between Saudi Arabia and the United States. Anything from...

K: From where? You will send me word from there. Oh, I will get our consul there...

S: I don't know exactly what they wanted.

K: I will get our consul there, Omar, to get in touch with you

S: Thank you very much.

K: So you will know how to communicate with me.

S: That's fine.

K: And I look forward very much...

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S: Thank you for everything and I hope to see more of you.

K: Oh, I count on that. I have to prepare for the Latin American meeting.
This is my problem.

S: I see.

K: But I'll see more of you and I hope you recover fully.

S: Anyhow, there is time, 2 weeks more makes no difference.

K: Well, I will see you in Riyadh.

S: I hope so. I'm going to Latin America. I'll be back before you get
to Riyadh.

K: Oh, you are going to Latin America.

S: Yes, I'm going to Brasilia.

K: From la Hor?

S: Yes.

K: And you will be back in time?

S: Yes, I'll be back before you are there.

K: Well, you are an adventurous man.

S: Thank you very much. Everything was perfect and I can't say
nothing except thank you very much.

K: I look forward to seeing you soon, Omar. Bye.

S: Thank you and my best regard to everyone.

K: Thank you, bye.

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February 19, 1974

5:15 PM

S: The Trade Bill.

K: Yes.

S: The material on generalized preferences, as you know, is in there.

K: Yes.

S: Do we have the title four problem in there in addition to all the various things that have to do.....

K: You're a little premature. I knew you were going to come after me sooner or later.

S: You have to admit I've exercised great restraint but what we need is a commitment to testify.

K: Yes. That you will have.

S: Well, I understand that at this point we don't have one.

K: No, no. I have agreed to testify. We can't find the time.

S: Could you do it jointly with me next ...on March 4th.

K: No, because I'll be out of the....oh, March 4th. Look my problem is I'll just be coming back from a trip to the....well I don't whether I'll just be coming back. Yes, I'll just be coming back. But later that week I might be able to do it. I'd like to do it jointly with you.

S: Well, I have agreed to testify on the 4th, which is a Monday.

K: Monday, impossible. You could do it on the 7th.

S: I'll change my schedule around to suit yours.

K: Well, let's aim for the 7th.

S: If I negotiate this with Long and company then you'll....

K: I shall do it.

S: I might testify on the 4th if they want that for an opening hearing and I can come again with you on the 7th.

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K: The advantage of doing it together is that I wouldn't have to answer any economic questions.

S: Right. I could go on the 4th and come again with you on the 7th and if things come up that you would rather I handle.

K: What would make me most comfortable is if I could just discuss the political side of it. The foreign policy side.

S: Right.

K: Your people again have done a superlative job on that Latin American thing.

S: Good.

K: I regret to say you guys really turn out good work.

S: Well, that's fine. Are you aware that I'll be going, or whoever is Secretary of the Treasury will be going, probably to the inter-American Development Bank meeting in early April.

K: Yes.

S: And so we can follow up on your thing.

K: Excellent.

S: The present trip plan is to go to Venezuela and Brazil each of which will have a new government on the way to Santiago where the meeting is being held.

K: You might consider adding a few countries.

S: Well that's about as many, if I do it, as I can do.

K: But at any rate you could follow up very effectively.

S: OK, well now will you tell somebody March 7th and I will proceed to nail that down with the committee.

K: I shall do that.

S: OK.

K: Goodby.

S: Thank you.

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February 19, 1974

5:55 PM

K: __you do good work.

V: Enough of this blarney. Are you an Irishman?

K: No, it's true. You helped terrifically on the Energy Conference and I think Hennesey's and your contribution are turning a C+ into B- paper.

V: Well, the question is should we stay over here, or what is your schedule? I'm over in the State Department at the moment.

K: Oh, you are. To meet with me?

V: Yes. Because they told me that's delayed.

K: Oh, Jesus. I'm not finished rewriting the speech yet. Why don't you stay another 15 minutes and we might just have a quick review. It won't take very long.

V: OK.

K: I'll set it for 6:00.

V: OK.

K: Is that convenient, otherwise I don't really have so much world-shaking business. We could run through your stuff fairly quickly.

V: Well, the stuff we sent over to you has a few garbles in it when I read it. But that's not crucial. The language is garbled in some places. I don't know whether you've seen it.

K: Yes, I'm working from it. In fact, I'm putting your stuff on energy and science and technology and eventually developing assistance into the speech as it is.

V: Well, at the moment the sentences are a little bit garbled.

K: Take a look at what we have on development assistant in our last draft.

V: Well, that's what I was working from. It may not be the last draft it was probably redrafted, but I'll look at it. I'll stop around....

K: Take a look at the very last draft and see whether that meets your needs otherwise I'll put yours in.

V: OK.

TELECON
Mr. Kubisch/Secretary Kissinger

February 19, 1974

7:18 PM

HAK: I'm leaving on Saturday. I'm no longer concerned when I can
leave Saturday.

K: Good. It looks like instead of a dinner, Rabassa is having his reception.

HAK: That I cannot do. I must leave Saturday afternoon.

K: You don't have to leave as early as noon.

HAK: Don't press it too hard.

K: We're standing by hard with the Mexicans.

HAK: OK, Good.

END

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February 19, 1974

9:20 PM

HAK: Jack let's cancel Calvani tomorrow.

K: OK.

HAK: You know we have that cable because of the dinner. Did you see that cable?

K: I guess I haven't caught up with that one yet. A couple have just been brought in to me. I was just going over the speech. The dinner is going to be tomorrow night then?

HAK: There is a dinner tomorrow night, which I will skip. But it makes it impossible to have a Calvani meeting. The reception is turning into a dinner.

K: Yes, I see. The one by the Mayor of Mexico City.

HAK: Yes. But then since the next two evenings are free we can schedule some bilaterals.

K: You mentioned you might

HAK: To Calvani and Chile. Well you just schedule three.

K: OK. We scheduled Calvani for Thursday.

HAK: Yes, on the ground of the meeting, of the dinner.

K: Right. OK. And if he says he wants to maintain it notwithstanding the dinner.

HAK: Then we'll maintain it.

K: We'll maintain it. OK. I'll pass the word to them at once.

HAK: You can schedule a few of them for Thursday night.

K: OK.

HAK: And Friday night. Say two or three.

K: Alright. One on Thursday night and Chilean and I'd like......

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HAK: Well the Venezuelan is Calvani, isn't he.

K: Yes. If he doesn't want to maintain one on Wednesday, we can reschedule him for Thursday and the third one could best be the Jamaican. The Caribbean he could be our most troublesome one.

HAK: Chile we want.

K: Chile, Jamaica and Venezuela if it's postponed and if not some other third one.

HAK: OK, good. Thank you.

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TELCORN

Wednesday, Feb. 20, 1974

10:20 a.m.

Buffum/Sec. Kissinger

K: I had a message from the Iranians last night saying that we are not
backing them at the UN.

B: I think he must misunderstand our state of play.

K: That we are siding with the Russians -- going neutral.

B: He has not properly understood the position of our delegation. I have
been in touch with Scali continuously over this. They were reassuring the
Iranian representative as late as 9:00 last night. We are completely
with them. I think one comment made by our people earlier on gave them
an erroneous impression that we would not stand with them on the resolution.
That was clarified yesterday.

K: Would you call Zahedi and say you are calling at my request with
respect to our conversation and you have been instructed to stay at least as
close to the Iranians as you can as long as they stay out of Baghdad.

B: They are almost sure in New York that they have the votes to forestall
any resolution they don't like.

K: And we helped them.

B: With our help. And we have told them to go ahead and support their
efforts.

K: I would like to be a half step behind and still help them.

B: That is where we are.

K: I am prepared to be in step with them if that is the only way to prevent a
discussion.

B: At the moment they are taking the lead and we are playing a supp orting
role.

K: Good. Thank you.

END

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Ambassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger

February 20, 1974

11:36 am

K: Mr. Ambassador?

D: Good morning Mr. Secretary.

K: Mr. Ambassador, if Golda plays as rough with me as she plays when she forms a cabinet she... On Mizrachi, Fahmy syas if you will release all the prisoners by the time I come to Egypt, Mizrachi will be released.

D: If we release all the prisoners by the 28th, Mizrachi will be released within 24 hours.

K: Better tell them 48 hours.

D: 24 to 48 hours.

K: If you will confirm this he will sned a message immediately.

D: I will try to confirm within the next half hour.

K: Now, I am breaking every confidence by telling you this, but I have the Syrian list but this only she can know and it will ruin everything if it leaks. It must look as if I am bringing it from Syria to Israel.

D: Is the number the same?

K: It is 65.

D: Does it include wo unded?

K: I have it in a sealed envelope in my office. They sent a special envoy with it. I was not supposed to receive it until I got there. And they have agreed to Red Cross visits a week from Thursday, after I announce the visits will start. She can announce it after I arrive in Israel.

D: She can announce it?

K: Yes, I won't announce it. I will say nothing to the press and when I get to Damascus I will say nothing. ...and she can make whatever announcement she wants.

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D: You can be sure. She is the only one who knows.

K: Good. Now you can rest at ease.

D: Wonderful. And I am very happy about the Mizrachi. And I will
see if we can announce the... by the 28th of February.

K: Let's see who can you call about it because we will be gone. See
if you can get it in the next 20 minutes.

D: I'll see if I can get it in the next 20 minutes.

K: Good.

END

TELCOM

Joe Sisco - Secretary Kissinger

February 20, 1974

11:43 a.m.

K: Yes Joe.

S: Mr. Secretary are you aware that Waldheim is presently in West Africa.

K: When is he coming back.

S: It will be in a few days.

K: Have we heard from the Algerians in terms of timing.

S: Not yet.

K: It possibly means the answer will be no.

S: I would guess that it's just... He may have even left town for the conference. We figured out it, that day should be right on the button for him. I suspect the ... from Algeria he has to go to Lahore but I wouldn't think its going to be "no" unless he's got something scheduled we don't know about.

K: Well, if we have trouble with them I will just stop in London overnight.

S: On the way out? Yah, sure.

K: Don't give me that sneer.

S: We will be in touch with you telephonically as soon as we here.

K: OK. Joe you know, you will make a pretty good officer some day.

S: ...I will be in touch.

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TELECON
Mr. Cooper/Secretary Kissinger

February 20, 1974

K: I am sorry I couldn't get back to you yesterday. And I am on the way to the airport, but I am interested in seeing if there is an Embassy you might be interested in. I was thinking of East German. Why don't you call this over and I'll call you next week.

C: I'll do that. And do you mind if I do a few notations about where I think I could be useful?

K: Fine, you know my admiration for you.

C: And you know mine for you. And you are leaving for Mexico and then you have to go to Syria?

K: Yes. I'll probably call you Sunday.

C: OK.

END

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Secretary Kissinger - Senator Javits

February 20, 1974

J: Mr. Secretary, how are you?

K: Just fine, and you?

J: Fine. Henry you are having fabulous successes. You're a man
who's going to find it very hard to better his own batting average.

K: Know it. The next trick is to get the Syrians and Israelis together.

J: That's a trick worth doing. I'm calling about Charlotte Curtis.

K: She never called me.

J: Well she called your office but I think they were a little confused
about what she wanted and I think she was a little confused too.
I understood that you were willing to have it published.

K: Yes. Let me take a look at it again, to see how I edited it, but....
I'm distressed I wasn't told she called.

J: I want you to make her acquaintance.

K: I met her at your house, not knowing who she was.

J: That's right. She's going to take the page from Harrison
Salsbury. I wanted to mention Salzman (?) to you. He's been
over to the White House and they're going to send him to the State
Department in order to look him over with an eye to doing something
in State. Now, whom shall he see.

K: Well, he should see Ken Rush but I'll pass the word on to have
a hard look at him.

J: Remember our talk about Europe, Japan, etc. etc. A very in-
teresting idea has come in from the field, from the Dutch Government.
They are going to make it an item on the parliamentary agenda
which consists of a report to the Council of 9, and do a Foreign Office
White Paper commenting on it. The idea is to move into doing it in
every parliamentary meeting of the 15.

K: We would support it.

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Ambassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger

April 22, 1974

7:10 PM

D: Hello, Henry.

K: How are you Anatol?

D: Thank you very much. How are you?

K: I am fine.

D: Are you going to listen to the concert given by Frank Sinatra?

K: That's my intention. Do you want to come along?

D: I intend to go.

K: I have tickets, come with me.

D: Really? No. They promised to give me two, for me and ____.

K: Well, I've got plenty of tickets.

D: Well, we'll check tomorrow, OK.

K: OK. You can come with me. I'll have the Mexican Foreign Minister with me and you can subvert him.

D: Well, thank you very much. We'll check tomorrow with you, OK.

K: I'm longing to know whether I'll see your Foreign Minister.

D: Well, I will give you tomorrow. All the answers. OK?

K: You have the answers already?

D: Positive.

K: Good.

D: Well, positive reaction. It's positive for all the way.

K: OK, good. And look we are going to try to work it -- we will proceed constructively. We'll discuss it tomorrow.

D: Yes. I feel a positive reply for you.

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K: Good.

D: I simply didn't want to bother...

K: No, so I can proceed with my schedule. IX That's all I need to know today.

D: Yes, definitely.

K: And I have a new proposal for you on SALT.

D: Tomorrow, yes.

K: You can put an unlimited number of merves on submarines.

D: You mean on the Mexican submarines.

K: Mexicans, in any submarine, even your own.

D: Your are meeting with the Foreign Minister of Mexico so I thought you even got the privilege to have unlimited MEX on the Mexican submarines.

K: Well, that too, yes. Now you've given me a new idea. I think our joint chief will like that.

D: ______ will know in what regards some talks with you two years ago.

K: OK, Anatol, see you at 1:00 tomorrow.

D: Yes, 1:00 tomorrow.

K: Good.

D: Bye.

END

Telcon
Secretary Kissinger
Congressman Wayne Hayes

2/25/74; 8:20 a.m.

K: Hello.

H: Hi!

K: Wayne, you caught me just as I am going off to Middle Damascus.

H: I called you?

K: You called me last week.

H: Yeah, I called you last week but I just wanted to talk to you about this guy, Holton, and tellyou I had a talk with him and you know I briefed him on the facts of life and what kind of a job that was and I said if you want -- you know, I said I don't know who the hell told you I had a veto on it, but I don't. But, in any case, I said, if you know what you are getting in to . . .

K: No, I told him not that you had a veto but that one of his big jobs was to make sure that you were talked to regularly and that I considered you you a crucial member of the Foreign Affairs Committee.

H: Well, I don't want to be talked to regularly by him -- you know -- and I don't want to be talked to regularly necessarily by anybody. If I got a problem I am not going to bother you with it because you are too busy but I will bother somebody that can get it done.

K: Well I will make damn sure that there is somebody, you know, that is regularly available -- you know, that is available for that purpose.

H: Yeah.

K: And I hope we can have that drink which my flug knocked out.

H: Well, I hope so, too. And good-luck out there. I don't think you will get very far with those Syrians.

K: No, that is going to be murder.

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February 25, 1974 - 8:40 a. m.

Joe Califano/HAK

C: How are you.

K: I'm OK. I'm off to Syria

C: I gather that. I really appreciate the call. I called because my friend and client Paul Austin called me last night and he would like to start making some contacts in Cuba and he'd like to talk to you about it at some point. He doesn't want to do it if its contrary to anything we're doing and I realize you don't know when you'll be back.

K: I wouldn't mind talking to him. He'll keep it quiet won't he?

C: Oh, absolutely.

K: Good. Why don't you check with me after I'm back in about 10 days.

C: OK Henry.

K: And we'll just make it a very private conversation.

C: Yes. He would like that on his side too.

K: Good.

C: Because he wouldn't want his other competitors and you know.

K: Listen, I'll tell you one thing. I may not do anything for him but at least I don't have any personal objection to him.

C: Listen, good luck and really you are doing a magnificent job and if I can ever help just let me know.

K: Thanks.

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TelCon:2/27/74-1:10 p.m.

General Scowcroft/
Minister Vorontsov

V: General, I got a cable from Moscow and that is referring to the conversation that Anatolyv Dobrynin had with Secretary Kissinger on the 22nd of January I think about this oil problem, oil conferences and oil consultations.

S: Oh, yes.

V: At this time, as you remember, Dr. Kissinger suggested that we might have consultations - private consultations on that issue between Mr. Donaldson from the State Department and someone from the Soviet side. And at that time it was on the 22nd of January and he suggested it could take place in four -- or three or four weeks. Now I got the answer and the answer is as following: "We would like to inform Dr. Kissinger of the following: 'Leonard Brezhnev asks to convey to the President his gratitude for a constructive and quick reply of the American side to his (Brezhnev's) considerations concerning the initiative of the President in calling certain meetings on the oil problem. We take note of what the Secretary said concerning the possibility of Soviet Union participation in an observed status and the work of the conference -- the conference of jointly of consumers and producing countries of oil. So far as the bilateral consultations or exchange of opinions between the Soviet Union and the United States on the oil problem, we are in agreement with Dr. Kissinger's suggestions to have to that effect an exchange of opinion in Washington and start it from February 28th. [Which is tomorrow by the way. This is not in the cable -- that is my comment.] The Soviet Representative of those negotiations or exchange of opinions will be Mr. Osipov (? spelling), the Deputy Minister for Foreign Trade. [Mr. Osipov by the way currently is here with Mr. Patolichev(? spelling). He was there yesterday at the White House.

S: Right.

V: So he is available -- he is now -- and the 28th is quite a good date for him, but the cable goes on] We would like to know the opinion of the White House, whether this date is acceptable to the American side for the beginning of this exchange of opinions.'''

S: OK.

V: And that is that.

S: OK, very good. Let me check and I will call you back.

V: Fine. OK

S: Thank you very much. Bye. V: Bye.

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