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Secretary Kissinger
Joan Braden

3/13/74 9:08 a.m.

B: ...to answer this question, but once you told me to wait until you had to chance to see about the Statement. But I really have to negotiate on Thursday--I don't need a definite answer but I assume you have decided that for whatever reason that you just--

K: Well I talked to David about it too to see what his view was and he looked over the situation with me and we agreed we just couldn't come up with anything that wouldn't create massive problems.

B: He told me that I should do something about it, because he thought you needed me to know

K: No, I give you my word

B: Listen, don't be silly--

K: He had told me that--

B: The last thing he told me before you left was call Henry--I

K: I need you--there is no question about that--I asked him, we both agreed that Joanie would be at tremendous asset

B: Let me just ask you one question--I'm not sure -- for one thing-- I'm not sure I even want it. There is no point in getting me into the bureaucracy

K: Well that is the problem

B: I could get a job more probably--

K: No, no I could get a job for you in this bureaucracy but you are no good to me there

B: But the point was--or even I might be able to get a job there--the point is there is no way that you could get me as an assistant to you where I could be helpful in dealing with people so that the things happening to you--

K: Look--Joanie give me 3 or 4 more days because I have had one disaster after another this week

I have had a series of press disasters this week which would never have happened if a thoughtful person--

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B: If you put me some place as your assistant, I don't think you should worry about publicity--I will tell you what it is going to be--it will be a short article by Dandy Stroud--believe me I have a very, very good work record and nobody can say that you are hiring a girl who is a friend of your.

K: No, my problem will be over here at the WH

B: But whether you can hire me as an assistant to you where you don't have to bother--I have a very small ego--if I could help you ab id some of the things that I hear coming up, I would love to do it.
If I can't, then I might as well go on--at the time I am willing to wait indefinitely y just--yo a know I would go ahead and negotiate and if you need me fine

K: No, no give me until the middle of next week.

B: I will give you indefinitely

K: No, no the middle of the next week

B: Thanks for calling me.

K: Right, Bye.

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FM Rabasa/Sec. Kissinger

March 13, 1974

12:50 pm

K: Emilio,

R: Hi, Henry, good morning.

K: How are you?

R: I was thinking things over because I am so concerned as to the success of the Washington meeting and I more or less came to an idea. The major point of the international and local press has been favorable to the Tlateloco meeting and I want to congratulate you on the instructions you gave to Kubisch at the meeting in Quito. All the people there in Quito mentioned the Tlateloco dialogue and the President of Venezuela who just came into power came in saying, or mentioned the Foreign Ministers' meeting in Mexico. So now we have something positive in our hands and we should do something to continue it. I have an idea but I wanted your reaction before I go through with it. On the one part, this is the spirit of Tlateloco and the other part, I think we have to come out with something concrete because if not we are going to be criticised, especially now at you because it is at your home and your backyard -- and then I learn that Senator Mansfield said in the Senate and was reporting of the meeting in Mexico that a new projection and a new idea should be given of Cuba. That is how it came out in Mexican papers this morning. So Henry, thinking of you as my friend on the one hand and on the other, trying to see what positive steps to make forward -- I don't want your people to beat you to the punch back home. So I was thinking, but I want your reaction on this -- give it a thought and then call me back -- if Mexico proposed at the meeting in Washington that Cuba should be invited at the next meeting of Foreign Ministers, not to the OAS, and at least for you as President, which you will be at the Conference -- not to have an objection, just to be silent. Then I would go this weekend or next weekend to speak to Fidel Castro and tell him that one of the things that has hurt you more is that every time we speak about you going into the OAS that you start screaming and saying horrible things about the United States. This comes out also because at one press conference that I had lately, I said that Mexico would always support the admittance of Cuba to the OAS but that Mexico would not go hat in hand to ask Cuba because Castro always comes back with nasty answers. Well, this divides public opinion -- some applauded it, some didn't. I know that in Argentina, people were very happy at me saying these things which was a little distorted but there was some who were very happy. We are the first that have always had relations with Cuba -- we still maintain the relations with Cuba and so forth, but we will not go hat in hand because every time we speak about this thing Cuba, Castro or somebody comes out and says we were

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R: (cont.) instruments of the United States and etc. etcetera. And that hurts my national pride. So I said we would not do this. Well, taking all these things into consideration and decide whatever you are thinking -- now that the famous economic block has been more or less retired to Argentina, etcetera, etcetera -- which is a very positive thing and which would also be worked through Washington -- what is your reaction if I put this there -- the majority of the countries will be for this proposal because I know they are happy with this thought and the only opposition would be Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Chile. Well, if the idea goes through -- a tremendous success for your meeting in Washington to have a new attitude towards Cuba.

K: But I have a massive problem with my President and Emilio, I actually have to run off now. Can I call you tomorrow?

R: Yes, give the idea thought. I want you not to reject when I propose it if we get together and I propose it. Just to abstain.

K: Yes, but that may be impossible in Washington.

R: Well, Mansfield is already speaking about new ideas.

K: Yes, but Mansfield is not the President. I'll call you tomorrow.

R: Think the idea over please.

K: Right.

R: Goodbye Henry.

K: Bye.

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The President/Sec. Kissinger

March 13, 1974

4:30 pm

K: Mr. President,

N: Any report from our Arab friends?

K: I haven't had any report yet, no Mr. President.

N: I see it is 4:30, well they never get through til late.

K: No, they' are probably in the middle of a great

N: Pow wow.

K: Pow wow.

N: Right, but we think they are meeting.

K: Yes, well we know they are all in town. They were supposed to meet this morning and then it was put off til after lunch so they didn't start until about, oh, here that would make it about...

N: Well, they are still at it. Fine, fine. Good, nothing else of interest?

K: No, I testified before the Armed Services Committee this morning but that's a friendly group.

N: Yes.

K: The Senate Armed Services Committee.

N: Right, right I spoke to the British Ambassador and he said he wanted to assure me that Harold Wilson felt that the British/American relationship was the cornerstone of their foreign policy.

K: Well, that is very helpful to us

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N: And that he is very anxious to . /and I of course told him I would see him. I couldn't while I was there but I am going to invite him in next week and have a little chate with him before he goes back.

K: That would be very very useful.

N: And I'll give him a good going over.

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K: Good, that would be very useful.

N: Harold is going to want to have some foreign policy -- some little things for his bonnet and he just may start swinging a little weight around.

K: Absolutely, Mr. President. I think that's the way to play it.

N: Right, right.

K: I'll call you as soon as I hear. We must hear within the next little while.

N: We may not, we'll see. Of course, I know you'll call. That's fine, don't worry about it -- we'll see what happens.

K: Right, Mr. President.

N: Ok, what did the Armes Services Committee ask you about.

K: Oh, they asked about SALT and the Middle East, Diego Garcia, Vietnam appropriations. Harold Hughes who was there made some positive noises.

N: Good, well he is leaving the Senate and he can afford to be positive now can't he.

K: Exactly.

N: Alright, thank you.

Conversation ended -- then the President called back.

N: I thought you would be interested -- the new Australian Prime Minister bent my ear a bit by saying that his Prime Minister wanted me to know that he felt the American/PRC/Soviet relationship was the key to any possibility of survival to them or for the world and he wanted to be supported totally.

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K: That is why it is essential to maintain it no matter what the newspapers here say. But that is very helpful considering the origin.

N: Yes, people were all talking up

K: That's very good. Thank you Mr. President.

N: Bye.

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TELECON
General Scowcroft/Sec. Kissinger

March 13, 1974

4:35 pm

K: Did you talk to Vorontsov about my going?

S: Yes I did and he said about arriving on the 24th -- he said No, I assumed that that would be the case and he said I'll call him right away on the 28th departure and I'll get back to you and I'll do it today.

K: Good, and do they need a list of the newsmen and so forth?

S: I am sure they will, but you know as soon as we lock it in, why, we'll start all the normal procedures. But he didn't seem alarmed by saying that he would have to leave on the morning of the 28th.

K: Yes, but we will get that settled fairly soon.

S: Oh yes.

K: They have got me here on a schedule again, which I promise you is going to lead either to either a clean-up of this place or my leaving.

S: You mean the long-term schedule?

K: No, no. On today's schedule, for example. Just take a look at it.

S: Well, you know that 5:00 one, I just have no idea what that is.

K: Well, that had to be, but why not? The Tunisian FM has to be brought in today with all these other things. We'll have to discuss it some other time.

S: It is not on mine.

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K: Can you get a message back to Sonnenfeldt -- say that he can brief them about my Moscow trip along the lines that he suggests and that he can tell them we will probably make the announcement Friday. And that it will be from the 25th to the 28th and we will have consultations with them afterwards. Probably by a member of our party. We can peel somebody off while I go to London. See what I mean.

S: Ok, right. That would be good.

K: Ok. END

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Mr. Easum/Secretary Kissinger

March 13, 1974

6:25 PM

E: Yes, sir, Easum.

K: Yes, I think you should send a cable to the Algerians telling them that
both the President and I will be delighted to see ______ and look forward to
it when he comes here.

E: OK.

K: And if we could have some idea when it would help.

E: Good.

K: I don't think we can make it dependent on the other one.

E: Alright.

K: Good.

E: We'll do it.

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