DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

H. P. Lovecraft, the open man

W. S. Upton, of the combined

Marsden, N. J.?

By: K.L.W. NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Taft Schreiber/Kissinger

10:15 a.m. - 7/11/72

K: Hello.

S: I left a message at Joanne's place - there was no answer or that is the answering service said they couldn't reach her. So I've asked Herb Steinberg to give me a couple of alternatives.

K: We have one other problem. Haig can come but his wife has gone up to San Francisco.

S: Well, Maybe what we can do if we do it that way is to just do cut it down to 24 and not really overreach and I'll just have to worry about how to handle the table seating.

K: Just have two extra men.

S: And I think anything other than that on a last minute notice anyways is going to get a little sticky. If you try to get another very nice couple than they'll say what happened.

K: The couple we don't need.

S: So this way it'll be 24 and I'll figure out the seating then.

K: OK.

S: Don't worry about it. I'll let you look at it on paper when you're here.

K: OK. I'll have Haig there at 8.

S: Very good.

K: You know there's a very attractive girl in our press office if you wanted someone but not for Cary Grant because she'd probably have to oome back tonight but she could be paired off for Haig, if necessary. But it's a sort of a nuisance thing.

S: Yeh, I think it'd be wrong to do that. Would you ask your secretary to call Grant so I don't have to get involved in it at this point and just tell Cary since there was one other drop out we're going to leave it without his having a date.

Re: [illegible text] the reason he is
to be in [illegible text] of a mutual
Re: [illegible text]?

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By: K.L. W. HASLA. Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Joyce Haber/Kissinger

10:45 a.m. - 7/11/72

Information re October 12 - 400 Group

K: Oh, I meant to ask you is that October 12 thing for the 400, is that something really worthwhile for me to do.

H: Gee, I don't know, Henry, that's why I wrote you what I did. Simply that I was forwarding a letter and you know it's worthwhile in terms of the LA Times and I assume they'll support Nixon anyway but Mrs. Chandler is still very powerful behind the scenes and I think you said several times they've been good and I think they have.

K: They've been very decent to me personally and they've been pretty good to the Administration.

H: Yes, I noticed they didn't run that whole story about Nixon being subpoenaed or something. It was the only paper out here that didn't.

K: And they were very good to me during that India/Pakistan fracas. They ran it but they didn't sensationalize it.

H: Well, if I were you - I don't know your relationship with Otis - you could ask him how important these things are. But if you could do it I think it would certainly please everyone and be worthwhile. In other words, I think you could get out of it gracefully since it's obviously before the election but on the other hand if you could do it it would certainly not hurt.

K: Well, let's plan on getting together on Friday then and I'll talk to you tomorrow or the day after giving you directions and other details.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12058, Sec. 3.6

If, in error, I have made a mistake in my report, I will take the trouble to correct it.

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)

Dr. Wendell Phillips/Kissinger

11:02 a.m. - 7/12/72

K: Hello.

P: Dr. Kissinger. This is Wendell Phillips in Honolulu.

K: How are you? How nice to hear from you.

P: Yes, I'm in Houston, Texas. Clare sends her greetings. Her eye went a little worse so she could not attend the Golden Plate. Award Dinner and so I accepted it for her. So that's why I'm in this part of the country right now and I just wanted to check with you about the opportunity - and I just wondered if this was the time and the place or if you'd rather another time and place, I'd like to discuss with you what we talked about when we were there with Clare with regard to. . .

K: No, no, I know what you're talking about. What day are you thinking about?

P: I'm at your disposal, Sir.

K: My problem is that tomorrow we have Rogers coming back and Friday Connally so that. . .

P: I have sort of kept everything in abeyance. I had to do this affair in Salt Lake.

K: Right. Now how long are you going to be in Texas?

P: Now I'm in town with one of my oil companies in San Antonio and then I'll be going to my Houston oil office and I can adjust my program because I'll probably be going right over seas immediately after receiving whatever instructions I can receive from you and you name, the time, the place, the date and I'll be there, sir.

K: How about next Monday morning out here?

P: That'd be wonderful. Monday morning, the 17th and how do I get there. I fly to Los Angeles and . . .

K: Yeh, and then you get down to San Clemente.

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K: Well, give me numbers where I can.

P: SANITIZED

That's in Honolulu. I can't remember
my own number, I never call myself. So unless I hear from you
otherwise - if I stay at the Beverly Wilshire I'll arrive there on
the weekend and then I'll go right to the Beverly Wilshire and I'll
just come to San Clemente and anybody can direct me there. Do
I ask for any special place.

K: At the Western White House they'll take care of you. If you call my office they'll get you directions how to get here.

P: Fine. All right sir and I thank you very very much.

K: Right. I look forward to seeing you.

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The President's Office in the Capitol
The Senate and the House of Representatives
Publicity Office of the Capitol

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NARA. Data: 5/12/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)

Taft Schreiber/Kissinger

1:00 p.m. - 7/12/72

K: Hello.

S: Henry.

K: Taft, how are you?

S: Fine, how are you?

K: OK, I just wanted to call you to thank you for everything you did yesterday. I thought it was a great party.

S: You were just wonderful. We enjoyed having everybody here and I hope they really enjoyed it.

K: Oh, the Ambassador is absolutely delighted.

S: Isn't that nice? We'll have a lot of pictures for you. And I call from Mr. Campbell of your office who wanted the bill. The secretary told me and I told her to call back and say that if you're paying for it I got the bill.

K: Let me check how they can do that part of it. The hotel is easy.

S: Well they said something about it going to the National Security Council and I said look, I just want to be absolutely sure because I know Henry can't afford it. And he said no, that's what it was going to be.

K: Well, that's what I would like to do and if they have worked that out I would much prefer that.

S: Look, I understand that but.

K: You know because you've been terrific and I know you would do it if we wanted it.

S: Anything, you know that. Well, I hope that you got a new star in Sally Kellerman.

K: She's a great girl. She's a lot of fun.

S: And a very, very lovely person and I want you to know that I've already had a couple of playbacks from the White House that Paul Zifferan is coming out for the President.

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K: Yeh, but now look.

S: This is not what I've done, you understand.

K: No, it's what I've done. He talked to me and I told the White House and now - but the surest way you're going to kill it all is if you deal with him directly.

S: What's happening is - I just wanted you to know that whatever you did was right because Bob called - Finch is having breakfast with him Friday so apparently he wanted to have an official meeting with him. Paul called him direct.

K: Paul called him. Good. That's how I left it.

S: He called this morning.

K: I talked to him.

S: It was the fun party of the year and I said what you said. I said actually the Russian Ambassador gave us a political speech for Nixon. He started to laugh. And I said I wish you had heard it. I wish we had it on tape.

K: I talked to Paul about 10 days ago and he told me then he would come out as soon as it was clear that Muskie wouldn't make it. But he said he wanted to deal only with me or he would get in touch with Finch.

S: Well, that's what he did so you got the story.

K: Good. Well, Taft, you've been terrific and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

S: Well, Haldeman is going to call me this afternoon and I'm going over these various dates with him. They want the dates done and in fact I'm supposed to go down there Saturday morning and I probably will go down and go over. They want a report on the operation here.

K: Oh, you're coming down to San Clemente.

S: I think I am but they told me not to do anything - just hold myself free until Haldeman calls.

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The President's Office in the Senate
The Senate of the Republic
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DECLASSIFIED
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NARA. Dated: 5/12/04

TELCONE (San Clemente)

Ron Ziegler/Kissinger

1:35 p.m. - 7/12/72

K: Hello.

Z: Henry.

K: Yes, Ron.

Z: How do you want me to ______ this meeting this morning? You know talk about post-summit issues in general and matters between two countries such as South Vietnam was discussed. But the purpose of the meeting was not to talk about that.

K: Well, I'd say that was not the reason the meeting was set up.

Z: That's what I mean - that's what I said. But now what do you want me to say - how long they met - an hour and a half. Can I say you walked over to the house briefly to show him that.

K: Yes.

Z: All right. Any subjects you want me to touch on or refer to.

K: No, just say a general review of Soviet-U.S. relations in the post-Summit situation.

Z: Post-summit period.

K: Yeh.

Z: Anything else?

K: No.

Z: Trade or any of that type of thing?

K: Oh, we talked about the forthcoming visit of Peterson but just leave an air of mystery there. You know everyone must be wondering what in Christ's name is he doing out here.

Z: Sure they are. You know I'm down playing it, but not too much.

K: Well, don't down play it too much.

Z: No I don't mean dowy playing it - you see the wires.

The following are the words spoken or written.
Please read them aloud.

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By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: No.

Z: I mean - implying you talked such and such. I think I handled it all right.

K: I haven't seen the wires.

Z: OK. I'll say you met an hour and a half.

K: Right and I'm going to have another talk with him this afternoon.

Z: Should I say that?

K: Yeh.

Z: OK. What are you going to do with him tonight, anything?

K: I'm going to take him and his wife to the El Adobe restaurant.

Z: Can I tell the press that?

K: Yes.

Z: I'll tell them that later. What time are you going to go?

K: About 8.

Z: OK. Fine.

K: But that will really be social. And you know about the dinner I gave for him last night.

Z: Yeh, thanks for inviting me.

K: I couldn't have had press there.

Z: I know that.

K: Besides for your information, Haldeman wanted to be invited first and then he cancelled out at the last minute because of the Convention. And then I didn't think it was right to ask somebody at the last minute.

Z: Sure.

The president of the open house
and the son of aardvark
Papercrafts Mall?

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E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM (San Clemente)

Wm. Taub/Kissinger

7/13/72 - 8:37 a.m.

K: Hello.

T: How are you today? I see you were a Hollywood personality yesterday.

K: That's right. How do you know?

T: Well, we look at television in this part of the world and we see the newspapers too. Hoffa called me last night and said he saw you on television and I said "Shut it off." How's the world moving along?

K: Pretty well.

T: Happy to hear that. I called your office yesterday as you probably know. Hoffa has decided that he very definitely would like to leave on the 27th - he had said the 25th but he would like to go on the 25th together with Gibbons and myself to Hanoi.

K: It's illegal right now, isn't it?

T: At this minute he wouldn't be able to go unless he were to make application directly and he said that he awaited to hear what reply I have to give him as against going the other way, but we have been getting communications from abroad within the last 30 minutes that would make his position far more important to this side in things that might occur over there that would be beneficial to the overall.

K: What sort of communications?

T: Well, we hear from our people in Paris that Le Duc Tho was delaying his departure coming into Paris as to when Mr. Hoffa would arrive and Hoffa said that it's necessary to confirm the date.

K: Yeh, but Le Duc Tho is already on the way so this can't be right.

T: Well, I just talked to Paris before I talked to you now and they're to be back to me over the weekend and there's a possibility I may have to be myself in Paris on Monday. I'm not sure. They'll be back to me over the weekend. So I'm wondering - are we in a position to be able to know what will or won't be with respect to the dates. . .

Re: [subject to change]
4 Mar, 1963
Re: [subject to change]

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E.O. 92430, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.S. NASH, O.B. Dated: 5/13/64

K: Well, I cannot tell you that. The people who are handling the legal question, as I told you, are the Attorney General and John Dean in the White House. It's not Ehrlichman. John Dean and Chuck Colson.

T: Who in the White House?

K: John Dean on the legal side and Chuck Colson.

T: Well, Colson, of course you know is a nemesis to Hoffa. Colson is palsy, walsy with FitzSimmons. He was the one that blocked the whole thing before and I have the same impression that Hoffa has that if this comes down with Colson because of an intimate relationship that there would be a degree of prejudice that would be harmful to the effort of Hoffa.

K: I can assure you on my side I don't even know anything about what goes on inside the Teamsters. The only Teamster I even know is Gibbons and I have no views on that matter - I don't even know what the issue is there.

T: Well, as far as Hoffa is concerned.

K: Well, then deal with John Dean. He's the legal man anyway.

T: Where is he located? In Washington or with you?

K: In the White House and the other person, of course, is the Attorney General.

T: Now Kleindienst is on vacation. Is there someone taking his place on this matter because I'm prepared to meet immediately wherever such a meeting should be.

K: Now of course I want you to make it absolutely clear we cannot approve any separate negotiations.

T: The negotiations . . . . . have to do at least with the second point. When we were with you last week you told us you were coming back to Washington I think on Monday and could conveniently arrange where there could be a meeting because he would like to discuss with you all of these things and I'm wondering . . .

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K: I won't be back now until Friday - Thursday or Friday.

T: Can you name a day to meet out there conveniently - where the meeting takes place physically is not a questions, just of one taking place.

K: I'd rather do it in Washington when I'm back - Thursday or Friday.

T: How about next Friday then?

K: Let's say tentatively but I'd have to check my calendar.

T: All right. Now if it is next Friday in Washington what will be done by way of clearance so that...

K: We have to talk again anyway about his travel -- whom you should contact on the legal issues and I will do that. If you call me this afternoon I will have the answer.

T: All right. Why don't I do this. Now over the weekend from what they just told me from Paris less than 10 minutes ago. Tomorrow is Bastille Day and everybody is probably off to wherever they can go, but our people that we have relationships with in Paris are going to be there over the weekend and it's very likely that tomorrow or Saturday I will have word and subject to that word it maybe necessary for me to go for 24 hours to a meeting in Paris on Monday or, if the people don't arrive over the weekend, then they said it would be on Tuesday so in all events I would want to keep you informed and advise you.

K: I appreciate that but I have to tell you again that any fooling around with these delicate negotiations can only get us all into trouble.

T: As you know and as we told you when we were there we would do nothing other than that which coordinated fully under your jurisdiction and if your jurisdiction said no it wouldn't be done.

K: OK, well I'll hear from you this afternoon then.

T: Now what time do you suggest I call you?

K: Call me one o'clock this time; that's four o'clock your time.

T: Thank you very much. I'll call you later in the afternoon.

The New York Times
The Washington Post
The Times of London
Bloomberg News

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By: K.L.W.

NASA, Date: 5/12/74

TELECON/San Clemente
Chuck Colson/Kissinger

9:22 a. m., July 13, 1972

K: Chuck, I have a call from Taub saying they have decided to go to Hanoi on the 27th, and I said that's your problem. I said I don't see how Hoffa can go legally now. He said, well, didn't you say we could talk to Kleindist, but that doesn't mean anything will be done. All I am saying is that they are responsible for it. Now the thing is that he found out that Kleindist is on vacation; is there anyone in Justice he can talk to -- I just want him off my back.

C: Well, Kleindist is not on vacation; he's probably ducking it. But I wouldn't take a call from Taub if his life depended on it. Yes, I would tell him to call John Dean here.

K: I also told him to get in touch with John Dean and you, whereupon he blew his top and said you are in Fitzsimmons' pocket. I said I don't know a thing about what's going on in the Teamsters.

C: He's got the pockets a little reversed. Fitzsimmons' in my pocket.

K: Well, I took the position I don't know a thing about it.

C: He's a son-of-a-bitch; a real extortionist. We'll take care of it. Why don't you just tell him to get in touch with John Dean.

K: And you will program John Dean? I want nothing but get him off my back.

C: You will be interested to know that it looks now like the Teamsters' vote Monday will be unanimous with Mr. Gibbons voting to endorse the President because Mr. Fitzsimmons explained to Mr. Gibbons last night that in the Teamsters' organization that anyone who was opposed to the President will be asked to consider early retirement.

K: Well, Gibbons isn't all that bad.

C: Well, we'll take them all. We'll love to have them all right with us.

K: Okay. Well, how does the political situation look to you?

C: Great, very good, I think. I really do. I'm just worried that it looks so good. It's very hard to keep momentum and keep people really caring as hard as they have to for 117 days when

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K: Well, I think we need tough organization cause these guys are going to be impossible.

C: Yes, they are. They are going to be in there very, very effective operators. They're shrewed.

K: Yes, and un principle.d.

C: Totally, totally. That just means we have to be a little unprincipled ourselves, Henry.

K: Well, that doesn't come easy to you, I know.

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C: Bye, Henry.

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TELECON/San Clemente
John Dean/Kissinger

July 13, 1972 9:30

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/13/72

K: Hello, John.

D: Hello, how are you?

K: Okay. I thought Colson had called you. I've been bothered by this fellow Taub who is Hoffa's lawyer, and they have a weird scheme by which Hoffa is supposed to go to Hanoi and get some prisoners. My position is -- and for that he needs a partner -- or something to make it possible for him to go. I have told him I absolutely do not tolerate other negotiators and that -- I was very bruttal with him -- I said if the North Vietnamese want to pick ex-convicts to release prisoners to, that's their problem. We will not play that game. But, on the other hand, I was certain that Hoffa's case would receive all the legal attention you know, that these cases get, and that he would be neither helped nor prejudiced by this effort. I talked to Colson and Colson said I should turn him over to you and you would handle it from there.

D: Right. I just didn't know the context that... in which it was coming.

K: I think our strategy should be to conciliatory and helpful but under no circumstances permit this negotiation to affect it.

D: All right. But what we'll do is treat it as a normal request, and it won't be handled in any other way. And we would look at it as any other ordinary citizen asking the same treatment.

K: I have been at the President's request buttering up this fellow Gibbons who is a, I guess he's a Hoffa supporter, and a friend of Taub's, so if, you know, without doing any more than another citizen gets at least Taub can understand that you've been talked to.

D: Well, we can give him a little stroke to make it look like we're very interested and concerned.

K: Yes, but don't do anything.

D: Right, I understand.

K: I mean don't do anything other than what your judgment dictates.

The Telephone Book of America
1972, New Edition
Published by Scribner, Inc.

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E.O. 12930, Sept. 3.5

By: K.L.Y. NAVA Date: 5/12/04

TELECON/San Clemente

Ray Caldero/Kissinger

Jul 13, 1972 -- 10:03 a.m.

K: Hello.

C: Hello, Mr. Kissinger.

K: Mr. Caldero, I don't know you. I don't really know what you do for the... I just wanted to make clear to you. I don't get into the entertainment business, and if any of these maniacs out here tell you I've told them anything...

C: Oh, boy, you're just getting crazy.

K: Just ignore it.

C: I just got off the phone five minutes ago with Terry Moore.

K: Well, that's why I'm calling you. She just called me and said she's got something set up with Ossman Brothers whom I don't I don't even know.

C: Oh, she's just getting wild. And I told her, Terry, I said, you are not authorized to do anything, and I said I don't want you to call Mr. Kissinger. I don't want you to call the Western White House, and I said I have a report....

K: You see, I made the mistake which I will have to pay for now. You see, I didn't know who the hell she was; she called up and said she was a friend of Bebe Robozzo's, and she wanted to help out in the campaign, and I knew her name so I said I can't do it. She said, well, what do you do in the afternoons. I said I sit on the beach. She said, well, can I bring my kid and come by the beach? Well, she arrived with her kid and her mother, and drove us absolutely out of our heads.

C: That's what Taft told me.

K: She arrived at 3:00. I had to go off at 5:00; she didn't leave till 7:00. Now, I just want to make absolutely clear.

C: Oh, boy. I know that, that's why I called Taft, and I said, Taft, I'm just trying to alleviate a potential problem. I said this gal is just going off half cocked and she's telling me that Henry

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her
is picking up in a private helicopter, and I said, Taft, I know
this is baloney, but you've got to help me.

K: Look, she came down in her own car with her mother and her son, and I wasn't alone with her for 30 seconds.

C: Well, I know that, my only point is I recognize it as a potential problem because they'd she's say to God knows who, gee, I was with Henry Kissinger on the beach yesterday, and Henry said it's okay to do this, and now when she called me this morning I said, Terry, you have no authority to do anything. I think you are just going to do what I tell you.

K: Well, isn't she a little cracked?

C: It certainly seems like that to me. And I said you are making a pest of yourself down at the Western White House. And I said I hate to say this but you really are, and I said I got reports that you went down to San Clemente Inn and you started calling all over the country like you were calling from the Western White House.

K: Did she do that?

things like

C: Yeah, and Isaid you can't do that; if you are for the President I said, then you have to help in the manner we set out on a guided course. I said anything else you do is going to hurt the President's re-election rather than help. Now, I said, if you say something and you have a couple of drinks and you said you were with Henry Kissinger and a reporter is there, I said, this thing could be blown completely out of proportion. And I said this is what I am trying to alleviate. And she said I am now writing for 16 newspapers in a column, and I wrote a lot of this down, and she said the November group came up with a title for my column, and I said the November group, and I said how did the hell did that happen.

K: I don't even know what the November group is.

C: That's our advertising agency under Peter Daley.

K: Well, that's another thing. She's spent about an hour at most with me. And now she's written a god-damn column about my kids, but, of course, the impression is that god-knows what was going on if she's down here with her kids, what's going on.

C: She said she wrote a column about the world-famous batchelor the world's most famous batchelor.

Rebuttal to a counter attack
by Terry Moore

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K: Well, it's done. You know, I can survive one column by Terry Moore.

C: Well, I'm just worried about this gal. Personally, at this point I wish she was for McGovern.

K: Well, I can assure you I am never going to talk to her again, but I was just afraid that she was going to give you the impression that ....

C: Not at all. I caught what she was doing right away, and that's why I called Taft.

K: Because I don't even know who the Ossman brothers are.

C: Well, they are the group....

K: Well, I don't even want to know. I've got problems enough in foreign policy without getting involved with that group. All I know.... I'm

C: What I do on the campaign, /on leave on absence with the Marriott Corporation and I started in the Public Relations ......

K: Well, are you in Washington?

C: Yeah.

K: Well, maybe I can talk to you when we get back.

C: I'd love to meet you. I've heard so many nice things about you from Taft Shriever.

K: But can you get Terry Moore off my back?

C: I certainly will.

K: She written that article for the Citizens' News about my kids, but, of course, she's building herself up as knowing me very well.

C: Right. Well, let me see if I can kill the column.

K: Well, if you could do that. But I personally think she's on something,

C: But I personally think she's on something, Mr. Kissinger.

H. E. T. U. S. A. A. S. E. C.

S E C U R I T Y   S U B J E C T   W I T H

A D V I S I B L E   S U B J E C T

By: K.L.L. NARA. Data: 5/12/04

K: Well, I don't know what it is; she was an absolute. I thought I'd see her, get her lined up,

C: She didn't make any pretence about your being together privately with you, that they went body surfing, her kids went body surfing, and her kids had nice conversations with your daughter and son, Liz and David.

K: That is essentially true.

C: In the column it sounded like she had some cute pitter patter between the children which can only help and not hurt which can only help and not hurt. But I said what the hell are you even writing about this for. Well, she said I am trying to get rid of the play-boy image that Dr. Kissinger is getting through other means.

K: Well, I don't need her.

C: Well, that's what I said. And I said personally I'd prefer that you don't even write the article. It's a liberal newspaper. But I said I can't tell you what to do with your private life. All I can tell you to do in this column you are writing is certainly not under the auspices of the Committee for the Reelection of the President.

K: Well, let's just get together when I'm back, and if you can relieve me of her.

C: I will call her back. I won't say that I've talked with you, but I will say that I've talked to ______ on the campaign and they would appreciate your not bothering Dr. Kissinger, that he has more important things to do.

K: Why don't you do it tomorrow because I've just talked to her.

C: Good. I'll be very happy.

K: Thank you. I appreciate it.

C: Thank you for calling. I look forward to getting together with you.

The telephone is the most important invention of the age, and it is probable that it will be considered as important as the telephone itself.

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCON (San Clemente)

Charles Bludhorn/Kissinger

1:00 p.m. - 7/13/72

K: Hello.

B: Hello, Henry. How's the weather out there?

K: It's foggy right now.

B: How did the Ambassador like the Paramount Studio?

K: Listen, you didn't do a goddamn thing for him at Paramount.

B: You didn't ask me.

K: No, you didn't do a damn thing. I had to go to Universal.

B: Well, they're my...

K: I'll appeal to you next time.

B: Did you take them out to Universal?

K: Yes.

B: Through who - Wasserman?

K: No, Shreiber.

B: Henry, my friend I don't want to disturb you but I just wondered if there was any possibility . . . my conversation when you come back.

K: Yeh, I'll be back next week. I'll be in New York on the 25th and 26th. I could probably see you on the 26th.

B: July the 26th. Yeh, that'd be excellent because that night I'm flying out to Spain.

K: Good. Why don't I see you the morning of the 26th sometime. Could you call me next week in Washington.

B: You'll be back in Washington?

Hypothetical name of the person he is talking to
the day he got the call
President's call?

By: K.L. W. NAVA, Date: 5/12/04

K: Yes.

B: I'll put this down definitely for July 26th in the morning.

K: Or it may have to be early in the afternoon.

B: I'm going back to the . . .

K: I'll see you definitely on the 26th.

B: Will you be in Washington all next week?

K: No, Thursday and Friday.

B: If I get a chance to stop down in Washington, I'll try to do it. Otherwise I'll definitely see you the 26th. I hope you can definitely make it the 26th because I'll be going off for a few days after that.

K: I'll definitely make it.

B: All right, I'll definitely put that down and I'll call you in Washington next week. If I should come down I'll try to visit with you Thursday or Friday.

K: Good. Friday would be better than T<sub>h</sub> Thursday.

B: Thursday I won't be down there but Friday I may possibly be there. But I'll call you anyway. You're not free for lunch on Wednesday, are you?

K: N<sub>o</sub>, lunch I know I'm not free. In fact I'm coming down for the lunch.

B: All right, look, the 26th please try to make it definite, and in fact if it gets late I'll put off my . . .

K: OK. Good.

B: Take care, Henry. Bye.

The telephone system has been shut down due to a power failure at the station. Please contact the station operator.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV NAVAQ Data: 5/12/84

TELCONE (San Clemente)
Laird/Kissinger
2:45 p.m. - 7/13/72

(Came in late)

L: The weekend after this.

K: I will be back by then.

L: You will be back.

K: Yes.

L: I talked to Dave Packard and he has been on me to come out there and I would love to have you go too.

K: If I can make it I will let you know.

L: Say, Henry, I haven't heard anything about those prisoner things, remember that message I talked to you about.

K: Yes, and we were assured by the Soviets it had been impressed on the North Vietnamese not to do it.

L: Were you satisfied with those papers I sent out there?

K: Yes, they were good. We are keeping the pressue up on the bombing, aren't we?

L: Oh yes, you noticed that in the brief yesterday.

K: What was it?

L: In the briefing. We've got a lot of stuff going up there.

K: Oh yes.

L: Well, I just wanted to talk to you about that one matter. How's everything out there?

K: Good. Let's you and me have breakfast next week when I'm back. How about Thursday morning?

L: Thursday morning we will have breakfast.

K: Good.

The President's Office in the Senate
The Senate of the Republic
Publicity Staff

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KML

NASA Data

5/13/64

TELCON (San Clemente)

Flanigan/Kissinger

2:55 p.m. - 7/13/72

(missed about 3 sentences-- recorder not functioning)

K: I am just about ready to leave.

F: All right, I will give to Haig. Is Haig in?

K: Yes, he's in.

F: Another thing, we have had a proposal - a political commitment made.

K: I saw the note and I agree with you.

F: All right. May we have Kennedy talk with Israel and Mexico?

K: ... He can't just talk to them. You know our textile industry is just about the most irresponsible group I have ever seen.

F: I agree with you but we have this very hard commitment based on very real performance on their part and I'm trying to get us out of it without having the whole thing blow up.

K: Well, look for 2 or 3 percent we jeopardized our foreign policy with Japan for them. Now we've got to jeopardize all the rest of our foreign policy.

F: We can't jeopardize our foreign policy if he just talks to them.

K: Oh, look he won't just talk - it will be just a prelude to an arm twister.

F: We can't have an arm twister - we've told them that.

If we're not going to live up to our commitment to threaten these four little ones we've got to say at least we'll expose the others to the problem.

K: Well, let me think about it. I'll call you tomorrow.

F: Let's see I'm going to be out in Cleveland most of the day.

K: Then call me when you get back.

CLASSIFIED

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The position of the operator in
the plane of the commissural
Procrustes Scale?

6/24/74 11:13:04

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F: I'll call you when I come back. Henry, your notes on your Canadian conversation that led to this resumption - they say nothing?

K: No, but I sent them to Shultz.

F: You did?

K: Yeh.

F: OK. Thank you. One last comment. I'm delighted that after two months you finally found my memorandum on the COCOM list and dug it out of your...

K: Don't remind me. I'm beside myself.

F: (Laughter) OK. That makes the whole call worth while.

K: I think it's unforgiveable.

F: I do too. Is Haig there? Can you transfer me?

K: NO, I've got to talk to him myself first. I'll talk - I'll get him to call you within fifteen minutes. Now one other thing I talked to Pete the other day - he called me - I think it's a mistake to prepare negotiating positions in such large committee.

F: We are not, Henry. You keep saying that. We just sat down with Sonnenfeldt and me and his people today on the real negotiating position.

K: OK.

F: And incidentally he has been so slow in getting basic papers out that we are not going to have final instructions to him until he has is on the plane. You know he's not going to start negotiating until Friday so we'll get those final papers to him on Thursday through the plane. Any problem with that?

K: No.

F: Good. Thank you. Bye, Bye.

H. J. M. R. de S. A. de M. de S. A. de M. de S. A.

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TELCONE (San Clemente)
Vice President/Kissinger

By: K.L. W. NAVA, Date: 5/13/04

K: Hello, Mr. Vice President.

VP: Yes, Henry.

K: Yes, Mr. Vice President, I have checked this matter all over the place and I now have another call in to Johnson to have him make another check with the Turkish Ambassador. Our information is that this has been considered at the highest level in Turkey and that they're absolutely adamant about it. The reason is that a Greek Patriarch in Istanbul is not just a religious figure and that, apparently as far as I understand, they don't want to have Yakavos as their Patriarch.

VP: Well Yakavosis going to disclaim the . . . . (unintelligible)

K: We will make one check - we will have Johnson who's the Acting Secretary talk to the Turkish Ambassador to make sure that there isn't any failure on our Ambassador's part. Any failure of communication, but this as you appreciate is an extremely sensitive matter between Greeks and Turks. You appreciate it better than I, I'm sure. And the Greek Government has stayed out of it up to now. Beyond this I don't see what much more we can do. I've been trying to get the President but he's sleeping and I'll talk to him as soon as he wakes up and of course I'll get a call put through to you as soon as he wakes up.

VP: All right. Henry, I would like to send an unofficial personal message to the President. . .

K: An unofficial personal message to whom? To the President?

VP: Yes, because of Sadat(?) whom I met when I was there and I just think it. .

K: How would you do that?

VP: Well, I would just send a message to him and tell him firstly, as an American of Greek descent in spite of feelings that have existed . . . . . . . . . . relying on our statement.

The following are the open lines
and the lines of the confidential
 correspondence file?

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

Sp. KVL NASA Date 5/12/04

TELECON/San Clemente
Joyce Haber/Kissinger

July 13, 1972

K: Hello.

H: Hi.

K: Joyce, how are you?

H: Fine, how are you?

K: I'm okay.

H: Have you seen my column today?

K: I knew you knew about the party?

H: No, I said you didn't know I knew.

K: I invited you.

H: Tuesday?

K: Yes.

H: I thought you invited me Monday.

K: No, I thought I'd invited you Tuesday and you said you couldn't come because you were going out with...

H: You know, you're probably right.

K: No. When I saw Carol Channing go in, she arrived about the time I did.

H: Really. Well, that's funny because .... the Slosser's were so sweet that they were going to keep it from me.

K: Well, don't you remember I invited you Friday and you said you couldn't do it. Because I wasn't absolutely sure he was coming. Then I confirmed it on Saturday evening and you told me that you couldn't get out of it because they were doing something for you on Monday and it would be wrong for you to cancel them on Tuesday.

H: Yes, you're right. I do remember. I must be losing my mind, Henry.

The American People as it was in 1960, as it is to-day

Presidential Studies

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By: K.L.S.

NASA Data 5/13/64

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Anyway, it didn't matter. I wasn't hurt or anything.

K: I wanted you to come.

H: My assumption was that Taft didn't want it reported.

K: Yes, but then I would tell you. You remember I had you invited .... If we didn't want it reported, I would have said don't report it, that would have been the surest way for you not to report it. Somebody just showed it to me; it wasn't very friendly about this confirmed .... Slosser.

H: It wasn't?

K: To call them House Democrats?

H: What's wrong with that. Slosser's didn't mind because I read it to them. As a matter of fact, Mickey gave me the phrase.

K: Well, I don't give a damn. about the column.

H: ------

K: That's not the point. I wanted to give you directions on how to get down here.

H: She'll get a car.)

K: And you'll be here between and one.
I'm sorry that you didn't understand because I .... Frankly,
the reason Cary Grant was staĝ, I didn't have any particular
person in mind. You know, I had one extra man for the
reason I wanted you to come. He's a charming man.

H: I touched him at the race track last weekend.

K: It was really one of the best parties I've attended here. I was sort of horrified. I invited all people who had invited me over to their house or had done w something for my kids. It wasn't .... the Republican establishment was an accident. I hate to be thought of as somebody who is doing things for political reasons. Well, I'll see you tomorrow anyway.

Yes, you're right. I did.

["Hanoi, 13 July 1972\n\nNguyễnpid. Nguyễn P. Nguyễn P. Nguyễn P

Hanoi, Vietnam, November 15, 1969

President Ho Chi Minh of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam

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study the record further, and he told his press spokesman, who is, incidentally, is functioning for the first time today to say nothing about it in his statements and we'll see what, if any, the North Vietnamese have to say about it in their public statements.

K: Good. Well, let's all keep quiet, shall we?

S: Well, that's the position their taking there and that's the reason I wanted you to get you on the other...

K: I completely agree. Let's keep quiet. And if you could possibly keep speculation down in your shop.

S: The public record will show a very hard position on their side.

K: That's all right.

S: And we'll just leave it that way.

K: The rebuttal though took the form you said.

S: Yes.

K: Could you send me a little written report on that along that line that I could show to the President.

S: They are sending a cable with verbatim text.

K: With the same sort of explanation?

S: With the same sort of explanation. It should be in I should imagine in another hour or so, maybe a little longer than that. I asked them to give the speech verbatim on this back and forth.

K: Did they say which issues should be settled by us? and which should be settled by them?

S: No. They merely said that in the political sector they were two separate types of aspects and some of those they didn't say what they were.

K: Okay. Good. Thank you. Now what possessed the Secretary if may I ask you to involve the Pope in this?

Department Two
Subject, No. 10001
Date: 12/11/01

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12959, Sec. 3.1

By: KVL NAVAQ Date: 5/12/04

S: I don't know. You mean on the POW issue?

K: Yes.

S: I don't know. I guess if it's good enough for George McGovern it's good enough for the Pope.

K: Okay. I get it.

S: I haven't had a reading from it. It came in last evening, but I don't know the details.

K: Right. Okay. Thank you.

The President's Office in the State of California

Department of Commerce

Telephone Call #1

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L. W | NARAID. Data: 5/12/64

TELECON/San Clemente
Sen Humphrey/Kissinger

9:22 a.m., July 15, 1972

K: Hello.

H: Henry,

K: How are you.

H: Well, I'm alive and well.

(this is a personal call)

K: I just wanted to tell you/that I had my own preferences which would not have been good for us.

H: [laughter]. Well, I figured you might, Henry.

K: And I want you to know that I think you are going to be a good national ______ for a long time.

H: I hope I can be. I hope I can be of some help.

K: Your admirers are going to stay and still believe in you.

H: How are things with you, Henry.

K: Good.

H: I hope things work out very well in some of the things you've been working on.

K: Well, we're going to make another major effort to get the negotiations to get some real progress now. It's tough under these circumstances.

H: Yes, it is.

K: You know.

H: It makes it very difficult, but..

to talk
into
and talked

K: You almost have nothing to..

H: To bargain with.

by the time about the trip,
new and especially in the sub-

Receptionist's Office, 1960

by John Smith, Ph.D.

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K: Every incentive to ______.

H: I know it. I know that it poses a very difficult problem.

K: But we'll give it a big try and see an how it works.

H: Well, if we can be of any help along the way, I hope you will....

K: For selfish reasons you and I can keep in touch and anytime I can be of any service to you in the White House on an informal basis.

H: Surely I know that.

K: Well, I'll keep you posted on foreign policy anyway as I always have.

H: I think sometime in the very near future before the summer recess I just might come over and kind of go over things.

K: Why don't we have a quiet lunch?

H: Because I think it would be helpful to me in light of the w sort of things we ought not to do and the things we can do.

K: Well, I'll be delighted to have it -- you know, quiet lunch or breakfast or anything that suits you.

H: Thank you. I'll be in touch with you. I'm going back...

K: I don't know you are right now. Where did I reach you?

H: You reached me at Minnesota at our home out here. I came on home to go into the swimming pool and go by the lake and enjoy life for a change.

K: Well, you behaved with the chivalry that one would have expected from you.

H: Well, we could have battled it out a couple of more days, but it would have been more wild rancor and the convention was not my kind. You know, it was entirely different environment than we're accustomed to and I think we have some real problems with it frankly. I had a talk with John - John Connally - by the way the other day. He happened to be visiting with a friend of mine and just picked up the phone and talked with him and he apparently had quite a trip.

K: It was fascinating trip. I only saw him yesterday to talk about the trip. And he had some very interesting experiences and especially in the sub-continent where we have to see...

H

The president of the republic is the chief executive officer of the state or of a constitutional government. Executive Summ.

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H: We have some problems there. Well, we'll be back for that foreign aid act and all to try to be of help on these things. We've... I'm going to try to get on that Foreign Relations Committee there this next session, if I can. It's just like a mad house over there.

K: Well, I think that would be tremendous for the country to have somebody with experience and wisdom on that committee.

H: Well, without being immodest, that's the way I feel about it. I don't have to be running for President anymore, and I think I could be of some help over there.

K: Well, I really thing... First of all I don't know really what's going to happen because if I... either way, my frank judgment is that the whether the Democrats win or lose, we're going to have the damndest thing in this country. If they lose somebody has to pick up the pieces.

H: Right.

K: But if they win, you know I'm speaking as Henry Kissinger, when I just saw these guys running around the convention, I don't see how they're going to run the country. Do you?

H: [laughter] A lot of other people don't either. I fell you, I'll let you go in a minute, but I talked with an education minister from Jamaica; he happened to be down there visiting the convention and they're doing a big school lunch program and he happened to look me up because of my interest in those things and he said to me, You know you Democrats are very peculiar people, I said what do you mean? He said you stay up all night and then you put it on television. [laughter]

K: I must tell you from me personally -- the '68 convention did not bother didn't bother me so much -- speaking as an American now -- and at that time, you know my views, this one even though there were no riots -- this one really bothered me.

H: Yes, it was inside -- not what was outside.

K: Yes.

H: Ours was outside last time. [laughter]

K: So I would simply say it's really.... I think what the country needs in the next four years is some stable and mature people, and it's easy enough to throw these viler fercations (?) around but in another year or two that's going to look awfully silly now no matter how it comes out.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

TELECON/San Clemente
Tish Alsop/Kissinger

9:56 a.m., July 15, 1972

By: KHLW, NASA Date: 5/12/72

T: How are you?

K: Okay, Tish. I really wanted to talk with you because I wanted to find out how Stu is.

T: Well, let me tell you because he isn't here yet. He's driving Joe down. Well, if they know indeed, Henry, that the ____ test he had taken last week that the percentage of bad cells had gone down.

K:] Isn't that terrific.

T: Yes. I think what they have in mind is to do another 3 weeks of the treatment, but they haven't in fact to be honest between you and me because they have told him yet, they really are rather pleased with this, you know, they hate to get anyone's hopes up, but it.

K: But isn't it a little bit ridiculous that a guy has to get the flu?

T: To make his marrow work, but I tell you what is wonderful, Henry, it hasn't done him any harm. He looks well, and he feels fine, and he survived the convention, by God if you can survive that, anyone would feel okay.

K: Was he down there.

T: Yes, we went down there on Monday. And we came back on Wednesday night.

K: I must tell you, you know. I saw the '68 convention on television and everyone said that was a disaster, but that didn't bother me nearly as much as this one did.

T: In what way, Henry?

K: Well, what bothers me is I cannot imagine these 21-year olds running the country.

T: Well, that's what bothers me, too.

K: The mentality of these people, and also the most senior McGovern people. You know I would have been against Muskie too obviously.

T: Well, I was against Muskie because I think he's a weak man.

Rebuttal to the attack on
the President of the United
States of America

6/11/94 NASA Date 5/12/94

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K: I do too, and I like Humphrey and I would not have thought it would have been a total national disaster. But these people -- I'm speaking as Henry Kissinger now -- I really feel are a disaster.

T: Well, I think they are too. They really rather frighten me in the same way because they are all so unpredictable.

K: Well there also this insane idea which actually is going to lead to the worst forms of racists when they say only blacks can represent blanks, only young people can represent young people, it kills the old theory of representation of government.

T: Yes, I know it does. What it has happened to, what it has ended up as, you say it is not representative at all. Because the people who were there -- the delegates -- don't represent the people.

K: That's right.

T: You know what it reminded me of very much is the way the Communists took over the CIO in 1946 which because all the labor leaders got lazy. And what happened was that the Communists stayed up till 6:00 -- they were always there, they were always voting. And this is just what the McGovern people have done.

K: Imagine them in the government.

T: No, I can't -- it's terrifying.

K: They've put together a coalition of all frustrations that is asking the government that no government could do.

T: Could not possibly.

K: So what will happen to their internal coesion after they get in is unimaginable what they will do to our foreign policy -- I really cannot even imagine.

T: Well, they don't know anything about it at all. Nothing. And, of course, the trouble is they care less, and won't learn.

K: That's right.

T: I keep crossing my fingers and saying they don't have a prayer.

K: So I must say that isn't why I called, but I physically couldn't get myself to watch the convention.

T: No. Well, we went down to the hall naturally enough, because you can't get it on television.

K: Are you coming down for the Republican one?

T: I don't know, It would depend a good deal on what the doctors say about Stu, and if we do come down it will be a short period of time because, let's face it, it is not going to be a vast surprise.

K: I don't know, we might liven it up a bit.

T: Well, if you say so, Henry! we'll come. [laughter]. NO, I'll tell you what.

K: I haven't been mentioned much for the Vice Presidential spot but I

T: Well, I've been studying a little grass roots movement of my own, Henry. Would you object?

K: But I have some hopes.

T: Well, I think we might drum up some trade. It was nice of you to call.

K: Tell Stu I called and I really just called to find out how he is.

T: Well, he'll be giving you a ring. Are you in town or out of town.

K: I'm in San Clemente. You can call the White House and they'll get me.

T: Thanks a lot, Henry.

ay

on and
early as

year old, running

rest, senior McLean
Music too deliciously

(s) 1 weak man

OBLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sect. 3.6

Reproducible without
approval of the
University of California,
 Berkeley

By: KHLV
NARRATOR: Date: 5/12/04

TELECON

Henry Hubbard

7/15/72 1:40 p.m.

K: Hello.

H: Hello there, how are you.

K: Henry, you didn't get that quote quite straight, but I don't want to be quoted anyway on that subject.

H: Oh, well, no, I think that's word for word.

K: What I meant to say was within six months after the election.

H: Oh all right, I'll make the change.

K: No, no, but I didn't say that for quotation.

H: No, I know you didn't but I just thought I'd . . .

K: Because if I say that within six months after the election, then I . . . it will be taken as a slam at McGovern.

H: I see, I see. You at the time said you didn't want it attributed to you but I just thought I'd try again.

K: No.

H: Okay, I'll make that change. Fair enough.

K: No, no, but what are you going to say, some official said it?

H: Yeah, you said I could attribute it to some Administration official.

K: An Administration official, right, not White House.

H: No no. No.

K: Okay.

H: Okay?

K: Good.

H: Okay, fair enough.

U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Air Force

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 120-58, Sept. 3-6

By: KHLW NAFI Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)
Dr. Wendell Phillips/Kissinger
8:30 a.m. - 7/17/72

K: I have to spend most of the day with the President and then early in the afternoon I'm going back so I can't see you today but I would be delighted to see you in Washington.

P: If you could give me a firm time I'll be there because I just came back here to California to see you and I rented a car and driver.

K: Where are you?

P: I'm at the Beverly Wilshire in Beverly Hills.

K: This just developed last night and I just remembered this morning.

P: Look, I understand your position 100% and no problem.

K: How about next Monday or Tuesday?

P: Next Monday or Tuesday. What date would that be?

K: The 24th.

P: A week from today. All right. Can you give me a specific time and I'll be there.

K: Let me put my assistant on, may I? Let's say tentatively 12 o'clock.

P: 12 o'clock Monday? And do I come to the White House?

K: Yes.

P: 12 o'clock Monday the 24th.

K: Right. Now you understand it's probably not worth your while.

P: No, that's all right. I want to discuss what - several things have happened with regard to Korea and Japan that I think you should know about anyway and various other developments in the Arab world. As you know I have probably the finest secret service system - intelligence system - in the world on the Middle East. I have to maintain it to keep my ex-out there and I would love to see you in any case for a few minutes and discuss what we talked about before plus these new developments.

Receptionist's file report
of the day, Sir, and your
Nepotistic Son?

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1295B, Sept. 3.6

By: KML, V NASA Date: 5/13/64

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K: Let's say the 24th at noon.

P: 24th at noon. Now can I just definitely come and be there?

K: Yes, but leave a phone number just in case something happens. Let me put my assistant on because I'll just lose anything; you give me.

P: OK. Did you get my books all right.

K: Yes I did.

P: All right. Keep up the good work and I'll fly on. On the 24th at 12 o'clock on Monday. When should I check with your assistant?

K: Say Friday, but leave your numbers with him now.

P: All right, if you put him on Sir I'll do it and I look forward to seeing you Monday the 24th and I'm very grateful.

K: I'm terribly sorry.

P: That's all right, Sir.

So I will.
By way in
the work
I have put
a call on
the word
_______ out
minutes and discuss
projects.

The President's Office in Washington, D.C.
the State of Maryland
Executive Office Building

By: K.H.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM (San Clemente)

Dobrynin/Kissinger

9:00 a.m. - 7/17/72

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry.

K: Anatol.

D: How are you?

K: OK.

D: Well, once again thank you very much.

K: Oh, we had a great time. We must do it more often. It's a better way, more relaxed.

D: Thank you very much. Henry, I simply would like to ask you. I have this small thing about this diesel things.

K: The which things?

D: Diesel subs, you remember?

K: Of course I remember.

D: I have. . . an answer to them, as I mentioned to you there, they are really to my . . . I read them now much more carefully because of the time Vorontsov called me. My President is leaving (?) me practically nothing but still I have these three or four points. How better you feel to do? Who is now - Haig is back or not?

K: No, Kennedy is there.

D: Could I put them in a sealed envelope right as it is and when you will be here you look at it and then when you have time please call me.

K: I will come back tonight and then I'll be out of action for two days as you know.

D: Yes, I know. But maybe when you return today you will look through everything, then Kennedy will tell me later on. Of course I could wait until after two days, you understand. If you can look at it to see if it's OK, if not I can wait another two days. It's no problem.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1293, Sec. 3.6

Re: [REDACTED] Phone: (504) 523-4919
Date: [REDACTED]
Re: [REDACTED]

By: KVLW NAVA Date: 5/12/04

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K: Why don't you get it to Kennedy.

D: I will send it in a sealed envelope for you. And then you will look and you will decide whether to do the things now or two or three days later.

K: Exactly.

D: Just for your information. And then I will read what I have to tell you orally - I will try to write them on paper. It's not a formal paper understand.

K: Of course, we basically accepted your proposition.

D: But it is basically accepted what you said really. In my opinion there is nothing there at all except those ______ points of view, really.

K: Now, Anatol, I'm just talking to Peterson -he's not in my office. I just wanted to make clear - the only two people of our delegation who really have authority on lend-lease are Sonnenfeldt and Peterson and you will have the State Department guys talking a great deal but just ignore them, deal with Peterson.

D: I understand.

K: It's again that same nonsense we had to go through the last time in May of having to have some plenary sessions.

D: Oh, I see, because Peterson has them and then Armstrong.

K: Yeh, but Peterson is the man who will have the Presidential instruction.

D: I understand.

K: And our intention is to get it all settled no later than during August. I mean, he'll make a proposition to you and if you can accept it then in August we will agree to some credits on the Kama River project so that by early September the whole thing will be wrapped up.

He'll

D: I understand. I think we can make it while being there.

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The President's Office of the Vice President
for Academic Affairs

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/04

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D: Yeh, that's why I was a little bit . . . because it will be inbetween
two things so . . . . . . . . . in a continuous channel to discuss.

K: That's right. But we expect that the lend-lease and the credit will
be wrapped up by the target date of around September 10.

D: I see. All right, Henry. I will leave it then and if you will have time
to read it, if not I will wait until you get back on Wednesday, I guess.

K: I'll be back Wednesday night. I'll talk to you Thursday.

D: On Thursday, then we'll be in touch.

K: Good. Anatol.

D: Thank you very much once again. And my wife, too.

K: I enjoyed it on the human level in addition to everything else.

D: I am grateful to you and to the President, of course.

K: We'll do it again.

D: Thank you very much.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12030, Sec. 3.6

TelCon: 12:00-7/17/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Gerard Smith

By: KJSW NASA Date: 5/13/04

K: Hello

S: Henry. I have your July 14 or Merritt's July 14 paper entitled "SALT Interpretations." On one point - in the mention of silo it says that = the arithmetic is correct but the background of the negotiations makes it clear that an increase of 15% can only be permitted in one dimension - or possibly a combination of two dimensions - not both depth and diameter.

K: Right.

S: But this history of this before the Congress is that both Mel and I have stated the contrary.

K: Yes, but I don't know why you did.

S: Well no one advise us.

K: Yes, but I don't - no one advise you to the contrary and I don't understand why we have to give something away. I am not saying frankly - we are just asserting that. I mean we were in the position where the Russians had at one point agreed to no change at all. But if we say 50% - Jesus Christ, why should - I mean why should we give it away.

S: Well, one of the troubles here is Henry that if I get into this subject saying that there was a (side - or signed?) agreement - it was not reflected in what we took to the Congress - it will raise

K: No, you don't have to say there was a side agreement, but you could say that our interpretation of this is that it is only one direction.

S: I think that if we get into this again after going over the ground

K: Yes, but now on the records says that our interpretation if 50%.

S: well, what I would prefer to do is to write this after this hearing is over - because if we get into it it is just going to give Jackson a great deal more

K: Yes, but this way we are giving the Russians a huge increase. And I don't understand frankly the compulsion to stick the Moscow group - I mean we gave you all a chance to comment. You told me 10 to 15 percent is better than just significantly.

S: That is correct. But we didn't know any about that that didn't apply to both dimensions. The English(?) says the dimensions were the silos(?)

The following information has been collected
on the request of a governmental
agencies staff

By: KHLW NAVAQ Date: 5/12/04

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K: No, no we sent

S: It would have been very helpful if we were advised of it.

K: We xx sent you the text.

S: Well the text ____ one interpretation, I think - which says that the dimensions can't be increased. That doesn't mean one of the dimensions. It says the dimensions.

K: Well we frankly didn't analyze it that carefully and we thought you had - but since this is something which is at least susceptible of interpretation I wouldn't have taken the one least favorable to us.

S: Well I wouldn't have either if I thought there was any interpretation but the language says the dimensions can't be increased significantly and that means 10 to 15 percent. And to be confronted now with something like that, with saying well that meant only one dimension or the combination of the 7 and 8% (drifts)?

K: Well I think

S: ____ interpretation.

as

K: Well I would say it is at least/capable of that interpretation as to say that it can go in any direction - 10 to 15 percent. I think this is as capable as interpreting that the xx xxcapable as interpreting that the xx overall dimensions can't be increased by 10 to 15 percent.

KXS: Now is it your thought that even if this subject does not come up I should volunteer this - say that I was wrong and there was an misunderstanding?

K: Well - that wouldn't be exactly correct but I think youx made an interpretation which went much too far - and whichis very unfavorable to us.

S: The only think I can say is that Mel preceded it with that interpretation doing the arithmetic himself. And nobody at that point called me up and said look that is the wrong interpretation.

K: Well, look I didn't like the whole hearing but I didn't know what to do about it.

S: You didn't like what hearing.

K: Well I don't like the whole tenure in which things - I have never seen an inquiry in which responsibilities attempted to be pinned on who does the negotiating.

The President's Office of the Vice President for Academic Affairs
The University of Chicago
Chicago, IL 60612

By: J.W.L. NASA Data 5/13/04

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S: Well that wasn't my idea. I made that point clearly that I thought we were talking about the agreements not where they were negotiated but the man keeps pressing. I don't have very much choice. I am not trying to put anyone thing in anyone place. I am trying to generalize the best I can.

K: Well, I feel - I tell you I am going to tell Dobrynin how we are going to interpret it and I don't mind saying that - I don't know how to handle it but I frankly feel this is a very bad thing to have on the record. I would say that the whole context of our conversations in Moscow were delimited. Hell, we would be better off with significantly than with 50 percent.

S: Well __________ answer to that question but I

K: Well, what did you think significantly meant? 200 percent?

S: I never did the arithmetic because I don't know how to design silos.

K: Well, just I would say - you can say it is part of an understanding but you can say the whole context of the discussions which you have now had a chance to review makes it clear that 10 to 15 percent meant the overall dimensions.

S: What would you think about trying to introduce this by letter so that he doesn't have a chance to say then that this is a secret understanding that you didn't tell us about.

K: No, it is not a secret understanding. It is the context of the discussions which led to their 10 to 15 percent.

S: I think if we do that Henry it is just going to highlight the fact Mel didn't know and I didn't know and

K: But are we going to be stuck with 50% otherwise just to save peoples' faces.

S: Well I am trying to suggest an alternative that we could go in writing which would be even more formal that wouldn't lead to a lot more discussion.

K: Well, as long as you get it on the record it is fine with me.

S: Alright. Well let me give it some thought as to how to do it because I think it will be a great disservice to the Administration by ____________

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of the call of a confidential
 intelligence service.

By: K.L. V

NASA Date:

5/12/04

TelCon-12:55-7/17/72
Mr. Kissinger/
Irving Lazar?

K: Hello.

L: Hello, how are you?

K: OK, how are you?

L: Very well. We just got back from KNGPAX Europe and that is why we didn't have the chance to call you and I know your whereabouts are a diary published every day.

K: Well, am I in the papers again?

L: Again, I think that is kind of mild. But I was hoping if you were going to be here anytime over next weekend we would love to have a little dinner for you over at the house.

K: Well aren't you nice, but unfortunately I am going today.

L: Oh, that's too bad.

K: But I will be back at the end of August. Will you be here then?

L: No, unfortunately we are going to leave for Europe about the middle of August and that is that. We won't be here. We just got back from Madrid the day before yesterday.

K: Well, what a pity. I would have loved to do it but

L: It doesn't work out because I definitely have to go to Europe on Thursday -- on the middle of August and I was hoping you would be free sometime next week between Thursday and Sunday.

K: Well, unfortunately I am leaving this afternoon.

L: Oh you are. Well I will catch up with you.

K: We'll catch up with each other.

L: I will keep trying.

K: I would love to do it.

L: But have good luck and God bless and I will be in touch. It is a little sad

November 17, 1972

John, Bill or Tom?

Purdue School?

TelCon-1:00-7/17/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Joe Alsop

By: K.L. Y. NAVA Date: 5/12/84

K: Hello.

A: Hello, Henry.

K: Joe, how are you.

A: Well, I am just fine. How are you?

K: I am fine.

A: I call you really for a social purpose. My brother John and his wife are coming down to see Stu and having dinner with me on Friday and I was wondering if I could possibly get you or you and Nancy for that evening.

K: Oh damn it. I think Nancy - Nancy will be down and we have accepted something I think for Friday.

A: Oh, hell. You don't think you could put it off. Because you would be a most marvelous kind of pleasure for Johnny and he is really most funny and most enjoyable for all of us. I don't think any of us are than funny or enjoyable.

K: Oh no, you are all enjoyable.

A: (Laughing) We all try to make jokes too.

K: Well is he still going to be here on Saturday still or is he going.

A: He is going - we are going out to Stu's place in the country on Saturday and so that it wouldn't be so easy on Saturday. He will be with me just one night.

K: Let me see what I can do about it.

A: OK. Shall I call Nancy about it.

K: No, no. Because

A: The only thing is I am anxious to see you to talk a little about the world as soon as you get back. When do you get back?

K: Tomorrow, but then probably. You know the first day back is always bad. So let's aim for Thursday or Friday.

Re: [REDACTED] who is the real leader
in the Senate or is it mutual
Preliminary Search?

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/13/04

- 2 -

A: Let's aim for Thursday.

K: OK.

A: And you wouldn't be free for lunch on Thursday, would you?

K: Let me see what my life is like after I get back.

West Coast

A: OK. How did they feel out in the White House about the Democratic
Convention?

K: Well they are very confident, but I think we are dealing with a dangerous
group there.

A: Dangerous, hell. Sinister is the word.

K: Yes. And I really - you know in terms of program McGovern
is not __________, he is distinguished from Muskie. But in terms of
KOHM's constituency - they are

A: Character of sport, and all that difference from chalk from cheese(?)

K: Totally.

A: And he lets his supporters overrule him.

K: Well he is a weak man. We have known him.

A: In fact, he is a weak man. Well anyway carrying him to for the President
was run by Mr. Gary Hart(?) is very

K: Well, he is not Presidential. Have you ever thought of him as a potential
President?

A: No, and I don't know. But there can be slips in these matters.

K: Exactly. But now you know he is the nominee, but you know you can

A: He is the first Presidential nominee in my lifetime that I thought was
dangerous in political politics. But I will say I felt Goldwater

K: But Goldwater's danger was an exagerated going - in foreign policy
in exagerating exagerated going in not a wrong direction. I mean he
just lacked subtlety and understanding. In domestic policy he was a
disaster. But this man is going to produce irretrievable in foreign policy.

A: Well the - his mere election will.

The President has the power to call forth the forces of the Republic.

Make a call for help?

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.H. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

K: His mere election will - there he nothing he can do to undo that.

A: No.

K: Because people will immediately protect against him. And nothing about his surrounding makes one believe that he will not infact produce it. An immediate disaster. And then when you look at his ~~constituency how they will govern it~~

A: What they are apt to do it is to get permanent control of the Democratic party machinery.

K: Well, Joe I am sick must run. I will see you Thursday or Friday.

A: Lovely.

K: And hopefully Friday night.

A: It is purely a social thing but it will really give me great pleasure to have you, with Johnny and Gussy(?). They are a marvelous couple and Stu and Tish are coming - we are having a sort of family party and I might ask Kay and one other person.

K: Well, I have already accepted this other party. Let me find out whether - if it is very large so that I can get out of it, I will get out of it. You know if I am an essential piece of it, it is going to be hard to get out.

A: You probably are.

K: So let me see where we stand on it.

A: Good. Goodbye.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
Is this person's telephone number?

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

Telcon

7/17/72, 2:45 pm

Howard Stein

(Conversation picks up in the
middle of a sentence)

S: Well you know one could say that he is the problem. don't

K: Look I won't go into that. I/know anything of what makes the market strong or weak.

S: I talked to Gene McCarthy.

K: Oh yes.

S: I just wanted to sort of say that I guest he is in a way a free person right now.

K: I was going to ask him for lunch on Friday. Maybe he has already been asked.

S: I think he said that he had that he ran into your or something.

K: Frankly I had just ask him because of my admiration for him. I wasn't going to make any concrete discussions but should I?

S: I can only think about that having been involved in the whole war issue that if there was ever a conclusion to it, I said that if he were ever part of the concluding episode in Paris or wherever.

K: That's an interesting idea. No, I understand what you are saying.

S: That might be helpful in many areas.

K: I appreciate it. I have as you know I have admired him but I agree with everylast detailthat here is an original mind and a man who you know could really change things. Why don't I just talk to him about where we think we are going and get his reactions. I can count on his being discreet, I am not going to make any particular proposition to him but I just want to talk to him. But I think that this is an intriguing thought. Also for the sake of the country.

S: I think that he does have a following and we do havean election coming up and I think that if anything could be done.

K: I appreciate it very much Howard. When are you going to come to Washington?

H. W. SHERMAN
President of the Republic

Reproducible Data?

Telcon

7/17/72

Howard Stein

By: KHLW NASA Dat: 5/13/04

S: I have nothing scheduled. You coming up to New York at all?

K: I don't have a fixed plan but if I do can I call you?

S: Yes, fine.

K: Well would you be willing just to come down and have lunch some time?

S: Yeah, sure.

K: Why don't we do it the week after this ?

S: Alright, I will be here so if you will just let me know when.

K: Could I have my office call you? Why don't we do this - I'll talk to McCarthy and then let's me and you talk next week and then we will have a somewhat better idea.

S: Okay fine.

K: See you.

Re: [REDACTED] State of the Union report
Re: [REDACTED] State of the Union report
Re: [REDACTED] Report of the Civil War
Re: [REDACTED] Report of the Civil War

Telcon 57-17-7271
2/17/72, 2:50 p.m.

Gerard Smith

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: Hello.

S: Henry I have checked into the record on this silo business and I think it is not as all as bad as one had thought. I have talked to Mel and he says that he testified that any 15 per cent increase in each dimension would mathematically permit a 50 per cent increase in size would be a violation.

K: Oh good.

S: And when I testified and was asked the question as to how large the silos could be increased by, I refused to answer it that I wanted to do the arithmetic more carefully.

K: Well if you can find a way of saying 10 to 15 per cent total that will be sustained by the Brezhnev/President conversations without there being a formal understanding.

S: Alright now can I read what I would propose to say on this point?

K: Right.

S: I would volunteer this. I am reading the transcript of the June 28 hearing. I believe there is one point on which clarification would be useful. That relates to the commitment not to increase silo launches significantly in the associated interpretation greater than 10 to 15 per cent. You will recall that on June 28 I declined to give an immediate answer to Senator Jackson's question on how much the USSR could increase the size of its silos under the interim agreement. I have double checked the specifics of the Moscow Exchanges and they were clear to the effect that silo dimensions refers to any dimension of the silo and not all. The increase of 10 to 15 percent would be permitted in a single silo dimension or a combination of two dimensions but now 10 to 15 percent increase in each dimension.

K: Excellent.

S: Now, I am told by my weapons designers that 15 per cent in one dimension will permit an increase of 32 or 33 percent in size so you should be aware of that.

CLASSIFIED
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Telcon

2/17/72, 2:50 pm

Gerard Smith

Department Office phone
line, Box 12345
Prairie View, KS 66142

By: KMLV NAVAQ Data: 5/13/72

K: Well then, perhaps I wouldn't say -

S: It brings you down from 50 to 32 per cent.

K: Well could we say an increase in size of 10 to 15 per cent. We
can adopt the most restrictive formulation possible Brezhnev
was reacting eloquently to the President that he didn't want any
particular increase.

S: Was he talking about missiles or silos then?

K: Well missiles and silos.

S: Remember we talked about that. That would have affected
Minuteman III.

K: No we were talking silos. But this is a great improvement.

S: Alright let me see if we can get this other point but I think if
we can walk down this line at least it would be better.

K: Good.

S: Alright, thank you.

K: Thank you.