Hanoi, 1 November 1976

President of the Republic of Vietnam

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLW NAFU, Date: 5/12/04

Telcon

The President

March 11, 1972; 11:10 a.m.

P: Hello, how are you? What is the situation with regard to that Vietnam thing? You say Moorer believes no extensive strikes are necessary?

K: No. Morroer would like to make extensive strikes, but I think it would be a mistake. If they are going to attack they have moved supplies into position now. We don't have to attack North Vietnam to knock out supplies for whatever offensive they do next week.

P: I am not talking about North Vietnam. I am talking about attacks in South Vietnam.

K: In South Vietnam they are going full blast.

P: Are we trying to concentrate in B-3 area, or just dazzling around as usual?

K: I will have to check.

P: I understand they can't hit everything but if they will just hit something instead of just sporadically.

K: They are doing 50% more now than before the NSC meeting. I will give Moorer a call.

P: Pound him in terms of hitting the South -- that is where supplies and personnel are. Get in there and do something about it.

K: If they find military things in the DMZ north of the line that is technically North Vietnam but it is a violation of the DMZ.

P: Yes. I think the North Vietnamese strikes can come. I don't think they are going to do a lot of good but if they come have them come after the offensive breaks.

K: I think so, because then we can put it on the basis that they tricked us. We made every effort to talk to them. We told them there would be no escalation and nevertheless they hit us.

P: How do you go about that?

K: We would have to decide whether we want them to blow the channel again but we could gear that to the intensity of the attacks. But we could just hit them. We told the Chinese and the Russians we would do it.

Request for re-evaluation of
the Air Force's operational
performance in Vietnam

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12058, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.Y. NARA. Data: 5/12/04

P: That's right. The point of hitting them we have to weigh in terms of what good it does. As far as psychological good, I don't know at this point.

K: I think not hitting them would be psychologically weak.

P: In that case we do it, but if we do it we have got to make it worthwhile. Since they sent those MIGs up we should take out 2 or 3 airfields.

K: They would like to take out MIGs and SAMs.

P: Certainly we ought to be able to do something in the general area.

K: I think it is further south.

P: The airfield?

K: Yes, I think in the Dong Hoi area about 30 miles north of the DMZ.

P: When we do hit it I think we should let the Chinese particularly, and the Russians - it doesn't matter, the Chinese immediately when it is done. They call off their dogs, otherwise they take the consequences.

K: We should do it more often than it not more than 3 days or a 2-day package and let it sit for a while.

P: It doesn't make any difference whether 2 or 5, two is enough psychologically. I think we have got to get that across to the Air Force people - the psychological effect would be just hitting the North. But it is not going on for several days. They must remember that. They don't have the weather problem, do they? Or do they always have the weather problem?

K: We haven't had a month they didn't have the weather problem. From the middle of the month it should be improving in the North and getting worse in South Vietnam. That is why I think if they do attack it will be over by May 1.

P: Sure. The thing I was going to say - Thompson's evaluation - did it take into account this attack? He believes the attack can be contained?

K: He wants an attack. He thinks it will be badly defeated.

P: He told me it would be contained. He even goes further with you.

K: He thinks it will be badly defeated. The South Vietnamese fight well according to him. After that the North Vietnamese will be finished until well into 1974 and after that we won't even need much airpower. I know his predictions usually sound wild but they are almost always right.

H. J. S.UNITED STATES HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES
WASHINGTON, D.C.

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P: We know. He never missed a thing. Haldeman was just telling me Humphrey said yesterday he would withdraw all Americans ten days after he was elected.

K: Sickening. That is not the issue. The issue is will he overthrow Thieu and cut off economic aid. I had a letter from Reagan backing fully the China thing. He said no rational person can continue to oppose it.

P: That has been pretty well defeated. Although we don't want to tell them that, actually that helps us a little with the Chinese.

K: I think it would be too unnatural if we don't have complaints.

P: It doesn't hurt us domestically. The announcement of that channel from the White House got quite a story. If you put it from the State Department it wouldn't have got a play at all.

K: Re Flanigan. I hadn't focused on it. Flanigan has scheduled a meeting of the CIEP for Tuesday on the trade issues.

P: I am ahead of you on this. I told Haldeman not to include that unless you approved it.

K: I recommend we don't have it because it would give the highest visibility.

P: I asked Haldeman if you approved it and he said you had. I said who is going to be at the meeting. He said Rogers (?) and I said that is going to blow the whole thing.

K: I approved it because I thought Haldeman was thinking about a working group thing and I found out it was Cabinet level and I think that is a mistake because Peterson is tracking very well. This gives you a chance of closing some new approach at the summit. If we could agree lend-lease. With your permission I will scratch that.

P: Scotch that. Under the circumstances they may not want to have the meeting.

K: Without the Soviet trade...

P: There can be no Soviet trade at a Cabinet meeting.

K: As soon as I caught on I talked to Flanigan and he is amenable to cancelling it.

P: Not having the meeting at all. To have a meeting without that issue doesn't bother me. It doesn't do any harm to have the meeting.

The President's Office in the State House of New York

Publicity File?

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E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

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K: I will check - whichever he prefers.

P: Good. Did you get albng all right with the Indian?

K: Yes. They want to discuss with us to improve relations. I said then it must not get out that we screwed up relations with India. He said, did you notice how we handled Senator Kennedy on this trip. He got no publicity out of India. The only publicity came from Bangladesh. We agreed we would meet every two or three weeks.

P: That is good. By fall we will have the Indian thing worked out.

K: When the Indian Prime Minister comes to the General Assembly.

P: Scott and Mansfield are pushing for...

K: They are dr'ving us crazy. Mansfield wants a meeting with you.

P: What about?

K: He wants to go for three weeks. Scott wants to take his wife. Two staff aides each.

P: That's more than I took.

K: They want a government plane, which they say you indicated they might get.

P: Never. There has never been a discussion about the government plane thing.

K: I think if you wanted to give them a plane we could get them as far as Hong Kong.

P: Let's get the Chinese to turn down the government plane and let's say we did not fly in our own plane.

K: Mansfield has it in his head that you promised him a meeting. Scott hit me twice yesterday.

P: Let's wait until we get something to talk about. I don't want to have a meeting until we have opened the channel. Encourage them to take only two aides. Say, gently look what the President took. Let's put that right to them. It would be a mistake for them to go that heavily staffed. The Chinese haven't the facilities to do that. On the transportation thing I see no objection but say they can only get transportation to Hong Kong. From there they would make many points with the Chinese to fly Chinese. Would the Chinese come to Hong Kong?

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K: No. It would be from the border. They may have to fly commercially to China.

P: They only let us come in from Shanghai to Peking and then out. Right?

K: Right.

P: I would say the government plane... Put it all on the Chinese and say we will give them a plane. We are going to have to do it with the Congressmen too.

K: Let them write a letter and then I can tell the Chinese what they should accept.

P: Tell them before they write the letter that on our part all we can do is to provide a government plane to Hong Kong, but the rest of it the Chinese have to go out and remind them we did not ride in their plane. Second, we would suggest respectfully that the number of staff would be very sharply curtailed. Point out that we used their translators.

K: That's important.

P: In a way it doesn't hurt them to go over there and waddle around and blabber when they come out, but I don't want it to be clearly out of proportion.

K: I think we should steer them to the later date. If they go April 22 they won't be back until May 18. The first date is April 16.

P: I am not sure it makes a lot of difference. I am inclined to the earlier. Let the China thing rattle a bit now until Moscow. When they come back what they say is only going to redound to our benefit. I want some understanding with the Chinese they will not discuss with Mansfield Vietnam.

K: I will handle it.

P: They did not discuss Vietnam with us. If he says what will you do with Vietnam it must be that -- and Sihanouk.

K: Only he will see Sihanouk, and I can't control Sihanouk.

P: I think it is important for them to understand that under our system only I can talk about Vietnam and they must give them nothing on Vietnam. Mansfield is likely to come back and say the President was unable to get anything done but I got an arrangement with the Chinese where if we will do this and that the Chinese will release...

K: That's not possible.

P: You can't trust Mansfield. Mansfield, as a Democrat, is likely to come back and say he was able to negotiate with the Chinese better than we were.

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K: I will make the Chinese understand that we will take it very ill if they get involved...

P: in any substantive discussions on Vietnam - right?

K: Right.

P: Because that will not be understood here. Tell Mansfield and the rest that first work out the plane thing. I shouldn't sit down and talk to those two about the plane and staff people. That is none of my <u>x</u> business. You comb away the underbrush and I will see the two of them. I will not have their staff people present. The two of them can come down. I don't want it at breakfast -- a regular business meeting. Then we can discuss where it stands at that point. Don't you agree?

K: I certainly do. I will call on Mansfield.

P: Call him up.

K: Yes.

P: Say I think the best way that he and Scott should <u>x</u>ide write a letter, but you should also say that first they should not ask for a plane to go to Peking. That they will not allow it. And with us they <u>x</u> only allowed it to Peking but insisted on their planes from there on. Second, keep the staff down. We don't care, whichever one the Chinese agree to.

K: There are a number of other suggestions I can make. They want to make a three-week visit.

P: They will be ready to come back in two. They don't know. They used the word demand?

K: They said, we are going for three weeks. They have a lordly attitude.

P: They should say they would like to come for three weeks.

K: That crazy Scott thinks he will buy T'ang horses cheap.

P: Those Chinese won't let him buy a thing.

K: No, <u>x</u> they have a law that nothing over 100 years old can leave.

P: The House members -- have they sent a letter yet?

DECLASSIFIED

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K: No. We will send it for them next week. Watson came back to Paris and called his Chinese opposite number and he is seeing him Monday morning.

P: Good. If these guys go now I would like to needle them. I would like to get Ford and the other guys over at just about the same time.

K: No, Mansfield is psychopathic about this. The Chinese said they don't want them at the same time. The Chinese said they want to extend the invitation a little later.

P: All right.

K: I think it helps us to have it spread out a little.

P: OK, Henry. Fine. Thank you.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12038, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/13/64

TELCON

MacGregor/Kissinger

9:38 a.m. - 3/13/72

K: You wanted me to call you.

M: Yes, I talked with Al Haig. Bill Rogers has said that if we don't scrub the Wednesday session that you scheduled he will cancel his appearance tomorrow before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Under the circumstances, it seems. . .

K: I want to talk to the President about this.

M: I think you should.

K: Because this has nothing to do with him.

M: And I think, if I may say so, this thing that is blowing up is something that you, the President and the Secretary of State ought to deal with.

K: I agree with you. Look, the only reason for me to see this Committee is to avoid the charge that there is some occult power being carried out secretly.

M: Can you tell that to Bill Rogers?

K: That is the only thing.

M: I have made that as clear as I can to him.

K: Well, that's what he wants. He wants to know that there is some occult power.

M: I made it clear that when we talked about these meetings you said you would do nothing that was detrimental to the Secretary of State and his responsibility so, at your insistence, these things were not set up until you met with the Foreign Affairs Committee. The Chairman of the Committee, Doc Morgan, can't be present on Wednesday.

K: That doesn't change the basic problem.

M: I know it doesn't. Rogers said you and I promised him that before we would schedule anything we would consult with him. I told him I didn't recall saying that. Second, he said we shouldn't have all the members invited because it appears formal instead of informal.

The President's Office has received a call from the Department of Defense indicating that a meeting of the Executive Council is needed.

DECLASSIFIED
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By: KMLV
NARA. Date: 5/12/04

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K: That's what we want. We want to avoid the charge there is some occult power here.

M: That's right. So I said Henry intends to meet in small groups with them, but...

K: That's what we want, but what does he lose by it. Can you explain to me what he loses by it?

M: I can't explain it. I can't understand why he is uptight about it but he is.

K: Look, I am not going to sit here and let myself get backed up every 3 months and then have to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

M: Bill Rogers said if he goes up on Tuesday and you on Wednesday, they'll come out saying they got different stories from each other.

K: Is it conceivable that I will tell them something else?

M: No, I can't. But I am merely communicating to you what the Secretary feels.

K: My problems is that before it became an issue we offered to diffuse it and did it. Fulbright was delighted on Thursday. We did not divert from Rogers.

M: He is afraid someone is going to upstage him. What is important is that everyone realize we are all working for the President.

K: Let me talk to Haldeman and the President. Let's not cancel it.

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DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.Y. NAFU, Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

10:30 a.m. - 3/13/72

D: What have you done yesterday? I couldn't reach you. You should stay in Washington and not go so far away.

K: I didn't go very far. I knew that you tried to reach me.

D: I talked to my General (?). It is OK. Make it the 15th.

K: What I want to do is to send you the text as we have written it. It uses the phrases from the original announcements and I think all it is is making three sentences from one.

D: There is no change in the substance?

K: I don't believe there is, but that's why I want you to check it. After you check it, if you have any questions, call me.

D: I intend to go tomorrow to the State Department in connection with what we discussed and the one point I would like to tell you is on the delivery of the grain. I will tell them here it was not it, but I will refer to him in connection with his ______ because I don't want to go to Moscow.

K: That's fine. Just say you have been instructed by Moscow to give an answer.

D: I will let you know. I think we will be able to do it. I have a matter on it in a couple of hours and I will get back to you.

K: It is just a problem of getting it.

D: As of now I will go to State Department. You give me a call tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.

The New York Times is the oldest newspaper in the
U.S. and is one of the most well-known
pressing national and international

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E.O. 12930, Sept. 3.6

TELCONE

David Rockefeller/Kissinger

11:12 a.m. - 3/13/72

K: David, how are you?

R: How are you? I want to congratulate you for carrying it off. It was absolutely fabulous. Do you feel comfortable about it?

K: Oh yes, I think we got exactly what we wanted.

R: That's wonderful. I partly wanted to speak to you about that and partly on Bilderberg. You indicated you wanted to go if you could.

K: I would like to go.

R: I am taking our plane over on Wednesday the 19th and thought you might want to go over with us.

K: I would like to do it but it may be a little early.

R: I am taking some of the Congressional members like Matt Mathias.

K: Oh yes. When are you coming back?

R: I'm coming back - well I'm staying over Monday and having a group meeting in Paris so I'm not coming back until Tuesday. I had to squeeze in a few things at the same time.

K: I wouldn't dare show up in Paris or 500 pressmen will be following me wherever I go.

R: (Laughter) One other thing is this: I've just been at one of our international advisory meetings and Otto Wolf sends his best to you.

K: He is a Bilderberger too. In fact that is where I met him.

R: He has been to China on frequent occasions and may have been there almost more than any European so I was asking him as to his reactions as to whether it would be desirable for me to go in. His feeling was it might be a good idea if I did it, but not in an official way, but just through my own channels. I wanted to get your reaction as to whether it would be a good idea for me to put in motion or to wait.

H. G. W. Bush, the 42nd President of the United States

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA, Date: 5/13/04

K: Look, I will call you at the end of this week because I will get some answers to questions like this.

R: I'm going to Europe and leaving Friday morning.

K: I'll have an answer by Thursday.

R: His suggestion was to go through our Hong Kong office.

K: No, my advice is to do it through the Chinese Paris Ambassador.

R: Dick Watson. That makes sense to me.

K: Let me tell you one thing. I sat next to the President of American Express at dinner and he said he is going to get into China. He had written to every non-Communist embassy in the world and one was going to get him a visa. I related this to the Premier when I was in China and he said how is he going to do it and I told him. He asked me if I thought he would get it and I said not one. He said - or fifty. My point is wherever you apply it is going to wind up with Chou En-lai.

R: Well, if you feel...

K: No, I think it is a good idea. They are a little less hung up on the name Rockefeller than the Russians. They don't think they're running the country. But they know the name and I think they would be very interested.

R: Well, Otto Wolf seems to think this might help them to realize that we are serious.

K: I think it would be excellent from our point of view and theirs. I think you will find them pleasant to deal with.

R: The reason I mention it now is I have to be in Japan in June and...

K: I will tell you Thursday where to apply and if these various channels develop I may be able to drop a word about my relations to your family so I think you will be well-known.

R: Good. Well, thanks a lot. I hope you are all right otherwise.

K: I am fine. I'll call you Thursday.

Re: [insert telephone number]

of the State of Illinois

Naperville, IL

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By: KHLV

NASC. Date: 5/13/64

TELCONE

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

3:48 p.m. - 3/13/72

K: Anatoly, you see it has reached the point where if I don't hear
from you for an afternoon I worry.

D: While you have called me I am prepared to listen to you.

K: I thought you had instructions to yield on all our points when the
salt is used.

D: What is the question?

K: Two things. Why don't you call Peterson tomorrow and he will be
ready to see you from Wednesday morning on.

D: Tomorrow I will call him about appointment of meeting.

K: Yes, we are approaching in a way to achieve the objectives we
discussed. There is no policy obstacle.

D: So I will call him tomorrow.

K: Good. You were going to tell me who on your staff will work with us.

D: Vorontsov. Who will he be working with?

K: Chapin of our staff. I will get Chapin to call Vorontsov.

D: Fine.

K: Those are the two things I have. Did they send over the text to you?

D: No.

K: Well, there are a few dead bureaucrats and there will be one more
in 15 minutes. It is going to be over in half an hour.

D: Now they decided to make it at the same hour. What do you propose?

K: 3:00 o'clock.

Re: a phone call with the press conference
at 12:00 p.m. of today's meeting
Nuclear Test?

DECLASSIFIED
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By: KHL, NASHA, Date: 5/12/64

D: In Moscow it will be 11:00. You are not going to make it earlier, no?

K: Well, let me check with the President and I will let you know. If there is a possibility of a Presidential press conference it will be at 3:00. Let me see what we can do.

D: You will call me today?

K: In an hour.

D: The SALT talk you spoke about - on those numbers, will it be just for the freezing time, but nothing else?

K: That is right. You understand this was not a formal proposal.

D: Yes.

K: Right and they understand it may not be approved here.

D: As I understand it is an idea.

K: It is within the framework. So I am going to present it this way. I generally have been pretty close in my thinking to what eventually happens.

D: I will get a call from you.

on they decided to

1:00 o'clock.

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TELECON

D

3/13/72 4:15 p.m.

K: This announcement is on the way to you.

D: In plane geometry the shortest way between two points is a straight line. In analytical geometry it's a curved line.

K: They are probably sending it to some other Embassy. But in any case, I have one last staff member because of this. We will make the announcement at 11:30 on Thursday.

D: 11:30.

K: Yes. It may slip 15 minutes each way . . .

D: No problem.

K: It's the regular time of the informal briefing. And the President won't make it himself. I wanted you to know this and that I have also talked to the German Ambassador today about the impact non-ratification might have and also asked if Bahr for Bahr to come here. I gave him my own personal views on the implications. But I would like that not to be used . . .

D: No, I understand. You can count. There will be no problem.

K: I just wanted you to know.

D: No problem. So your ______ is now on Friday?

K: Do you mind. Because we have an NSC on SALT on Friday morning.

D: Maybe you could switch it to the morning of Monday.

K: No, Monday I go on vacation.

D: Oh, so that's fine; it's Friday.

K: And we'll get our picture taken. And the President may come in for a few minutes

D: Okay.

H. G. W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States, and the 10th President of the United States.

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By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELECON

Haldeman

3/13/72 4:25 p.m.

K: I talked to Dobrynin and he is waiting for Chapin to call Vorontsov
gx his counselor who will be handling the technical arrangements.

H: Is Vorontsov...

K: He is second man in the Embassy.

H: He is adequate?

K: Yes, he is a meticulous bureaucrat. No authority whatsoever.

H: That's exactly what we want.

K: As long as I get you on the phone, the Canadians want to announce
the visit tomorrow and they want to announce that the First Lady is coming
with the President. That agreed to?

H: No, it hasn't been raised.

K: So they can't do that. Next they want to announce the President will
stay at Government House in Ottawa.

H: Is that necessary?

K: It's tough to turn down because it's a courtesy, but I don't know
whether it's adequate.

H: Can't we say we never announce ahead of time where the President
is going to stay?

K: Yes. But can you get Chapin to get in touch with this guy right away?

H: Yes, right away.

The President's Office of the Vice President for Academic Affairs
The President's Office of the Vice President for Academic and Professional Affairs

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TELCONE

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

5:55 p.m. - 3/13/72

By: K.M.W. NARA. Date: 5/13/74

D: This English text - first, there is nothing said about the second half of May.

K: We will put that in. We will just take whatever the communique said.

D: Mine?

K: Your draft.

D: No, I don't think so. I have the Russian text.

K: I don't like that wording either. 'It was agreed that a meeting should take place.'

D: In October, you remember your text. Simply an agreement was announced that a meeting was held in Moscow.

K: No, I propose your text, but - that agreement was announced that a meeting be held in Moscow between the President.

D: An agreement was announced that a meeting be.

K: It was announced that an agreement had been reached on a meeting.

D: That is better.

K: That is no problem.

D: It was announced that agreement has been reached on and then put it this way - in the second half of May or in late May. How would you like it?

K: In the second half of May.

D: In the second half because otherwise it would not be clear.

K: And it has now been agreed that President Nixon visit to Moscow will begin on.

D: What about October 12?

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.M.V. NASA Date: 5/12/74

K: Let me read it. On October 12, 1971 it was announced that agreement had been reached on a meeting between President Nixon and leaders of the Soviet Union in the second half of May - or to take place in the second half of May?

D: To take place.

K: It has now been agreed that President Nixon's official visit to Moscow will begin on May 22, 1972 as stated in the October 12 announcement.

D: Good.

I advise it would not be so.

1 that President Nixon

Re: [insert telephone number]

Mr. Henry L. Kissinger

Publicity Man

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE
President/Kissinger
6:10 p.m. - 3/13/72

By: K.L. W. NAFU Date: 5/12/04

K: Mr. President.

P: Hi, Henry. I'm between drafts on busing. Is there any last minute news?

K: No, things are fairly quiet. I worked out with Dobrynin a text for the announcement for Thursday at 11:30 in the morning.

P: Good, and we are announcing it just the same as the China one with the delegation and Mrs. Nixon is going, I presume.

K: We aren't going to go into the technical end.

P: Oh fine, leave it out. I just want to be sure we don't add any more.

K: We might say Mrs. Nixon will accompany you.

P: We did it in the China one. He will be accompanied by Mrs. Nixon and Rogers.

K: Let Ziegler answer that in the questions. We have agreed on the text but he can answer that in questions.

P: Fine. Otherwise things are fairly quiet. You're going to have Helms check that Cambodian thing for you?

K: Absolutely.

P: I think he is the best one.

K: We are getting Ladd to check it also.

P: Oh, of course, Ladd's there, but I don't trust our Ambassador there.

K: No, we ought to move him.

P: You think Whitehouse is the best guy?

K: Yes. One other possibility is [insert name] who handled classification for Johnson in Vietnam. He is a pain in the neck but good. But I am afraid he would give us too much flak right now.

The President's Office in Washington, D.C.
July 15, 1963
Reception at White House

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By: KMLV NASA Date: 5/12/64

P: I'm afraid so too. You couldn't put a military man there, could you. I was just thinking of Admiral Elvira (sp.?) He knows a lot about the world.

K: That's a very interesting idea, Mr. President.

P: He talks to military people.

K: I think that's a very interesting idea.

P: There's a lot to be said about him. He's one of the very able guys.

K: I think he is outstanding and I was for any one of the appointments we considered him for.

P: Well, we will - but as a matter of fact - no not Pakistan.

K: Well, we could do that to because he would be a civilian by then.

P: The point is with all the military stuff we are putting in there I think having a military man makes sense because we don't know enough about them.

K: I think it makes a lot of sense. State will fight it to the death.

P: Well, I'll appoint him. When are you going to do the Morgan (?) group, Thursday or Friday?

K: I don't know.

P: Well, they are going to get it done this week.

K: Well, Thursday I couldn't do it.

P: Friday then.

December 13, 1972

Re: Kissinger's report to the president

of thesituation with the
President of the
Republic of Italy

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.M.Y.

NARA. Date: 5/13/72

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Mr. Pete Peterson
3/13/72; 7:25 p.m.

K: I called you only to tell you I was going to try to get Pete Flanigan sorted out and his nose was out of joint that I dealt directly with you. I think we got the basic agreement now. I told Dobrynin to call you tomorrow. If you see him on Wednesday get it set up the way we discussed.

P: I think the best solution is for the three of us to sit down once in a while -- there is so much political it is hard to separate. Did you get the note I sent you?

K: Yes, but I have not read it yet.

P: This is something you said you wanted for the President.

K: I will get it to him.

A report on the results of
a test of an experimental
Propulsion Unit?

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

President/Kissinger
10:05 a.m. - 3/14/72

(Came in late.)

P: It's a hell of a lot better to get drunk than to take drugs. And chasing girls - that's the biggest bunch of ________. I believe somebody may have been mad enough to say something like that, but I don't believe it. My god, Anderson - any time he gets something like that he prints it. We can't take this kind of stuff.

K: That's why I didn't raise it with you, Mr. President. I don't believe it either.

P: The State people are going to do something about it. They will do anything to get one of their people in and get ours out. They're all fags. They don't do anything about it if one of their guys is caught chasing another fellow down the street. Well, we'll just drop it.

K: Right, Mr. President.

The President of the United States has called a meeting of the National Security Council.

By: K.M.Y. NARA. Date: 5/13/84

TELECON

Bill Safire

3/14/72 10:17 a.m.

S: I have a very interesting assignment, that is to write a biliner for the President for U.S. News & World Report.

K: Oh, on what.

S: On the shape of the world obviously, and the need for character on the part of the American people. Similar to the kind of thing he said to the Cabinet on his return from China. I figure it might be an opportunity to say something you have been trying to get across or if you had an idea you wanted to float out.

K: We could use that to start my Vice Presidential boom.

S: Let's see, "Kiss for Veep." I hadn't thought of that, but it's got a ring to it.

K: He is looking for a Negro who is converted to Judaism.

S: Stewart Alsop get it all worked out.

K: One more article like that and I am dead.

S: I saw Stu last week and he was ready to cry out for Rogers' resignation.

K: I tried to modify that. . . not to modify it, but to kill it. Okay.

S: Okay, what do we do about the U.S. News article?

K: Well, write it and send it over to me.

S: Okay, or could we talk?

K: I have got to rush out now. I will get someone to do an outline for you. I will get Winston Lord to do it.

S: Okay, or we could just sit down and talk.

K: I will talk with you and Winston Lord will do it too.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for the Vice President and Secretary of State

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sect. 3.6

TELCOM

Sec. Laird/Kissinger

10:20 a.m. - 3/14/72

L: Hello, Henry.

K: Mel, how are you ?

L: Good. Henry, I wanted to just visit with you a moment about two
points that we did discuss the other day when you were here , but
nothing has happened. I am going up on the military assistance
package before the Foreign Affairs Committee tomorrow and I am
concerned that there has been no supplemental request on the
military assistance package.

K: Where does it stand?

L: Evidently you had a committee of NSC people look at it. They came
back and through Clark Mac Gregor said you would have trouble
with a supplemental request with Fulbright. Even if Fulbright holds
it up the President shouldn't be responsible.

K: I don't know what committee of the NSC it is. I'm going to see what
I can do on it.

L: We should put it on Fulbright's back not on the President's. There's
Korea, Turkey, Indonesia, etc. The President shouldn't have to take
that responsibility. I am not trying to bug everybody but I think it
should go forward. Shall I bring it up with the meeting with George
Shultz?

K: Yes, you should raise it with George Shultz.

L: Just the idea Fulbright might no like it is no reason not to do it.
Are you with me?

K: Completely and I will back you on it.

L: Another thing I have got to get some help on is this Laos limitation.

K: How do we do it?

Hqustion 3. Stressthe expescted
rtht. Bels. or 1. Cembl. 
Polscnate Strel?

OECIASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

6p. KNV
NASA Date 5/12/04

L: I think we either have to start ________. I have covered up everything I can. I've taken out all transportation funding and put it through Vietnam. It looks like we will go $300 million with all those costs out and funding. We are not paying them for the month of June, but in the next fiscal year.

K: Do you want us to talk to Stennis?

L: I think we will have to talk to him about getting a limitation because I don't want to start prorating.

K: The President has a request before him now to see Stennis. Why don't we get him in and have you join us.

L: I would like that.

K: Good, I will try to do that.

Some help

How do we do it?

H. J. Kraemer, Dr. Kissinger
President of the Republic of Deutschland

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE

Dr. Kraemer/Kissinger

11:10 a.m. - 3/14/72

K; How are you?

HAK: Good, how are you?

K: Depressed. I had been expecting a call from you for days and from a human point of view, it is a little depressing when I don't hear from you.

HAK: It wasn't on my list and it just slipped.

K: What I wanted was I talked to someone who is writing an article on you. I honestly forgot what the man's name was. It sounded like he had already talked to you. That is the impression he gave me. I wanted you to know I told the man. . .

HAK: What happened was it wasn't put on my list. I've had a change in secretaries here this past week and your name was not put down.

K: That's impossible because Haig called me.

HAK: That's right and they assumed it was taken care of.

K: I want to tell you quickly so if these people approach you. Has someone approached you?

HAK: I have heard from others. They have called my parents.

K: I was very polite. I said I have talked to 12 people about Dr. Kissinger and I believe that you will really waste your time. I have said everything I can say. I found out that he had been taking careful notes on what I had said, and had written an article on it. I said, "Do you have to write this article on Mr. Kissinger?" and he said "Yes, it is my assignment." I said to him, "Do you think it is very helpful to Mr. Kissinger and the United States policy to do this?" If you create the impression of one Machiavellian professor, which Mr. Kissinger is not, for making U.S. policy while in reality the President is forced to listen to the people, public opinion polls, etc., you're creating a wrong impression." This would be objectively helpful because once somebody wrote that it would take some pressure off you and we could later point to this and say. . .

NASA Date 5/12/72

The president of the open house
and the son of a commercial
proprietorship?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.Y
N/A: Date: 5/12/04
- 2 -

HAK: I like this. It would help me in the short term with my associates and also in the sense; you mentioned it.

K: Yes, with the associates and your principal. I wanted you to know that so if this would come back to you. . .

HAK: He never called me.

K: Very interesting. He gave me a totally different impression.

HAK: Well, you see I have had a change in secretaries.

K: The other thing. It is very much in my mind the quality of leadership we will have. I know what my unshakeable conviction really is and that is that B. P. should be by far one of the people. I have seen that man no more than 5 or 6 times in my life.

HAK: Since I am pushing someone else for the second spot, I cannot insist on someone for the first spot.

K: Your recommendation should be D. You know who that is. Now we can fully live with either of those.

HAK: I am concentrating on the No. 2 spot and for that I will have to pay the price of vetoing people for the No. 1 spot, but not being able to insist on it.

K: It is the strategy of the man who says now let us talk like men and be very open. That is his introduction to it. That man now has the strategy to say let us first decide who will be the top man and then whoever is picked will be asked now who do you want as your second man.

HAK: That may be his strategy, but I have never lost. I am right now meeting everybody. His first position was my candidate. He didn't want the job. I have taken care of that so now the next one. . .

K: Do you hold fast to the second one? We can live with both possibilities. I personally find the other one was infinitely better.

OECIASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/04

HAK: Fritz, I must go off to New York and I will call you on Thursday.

K: Thursday or Friday. But tell your secretary really to do it.
I must remain inaction.

HAK: But this was a case of a secretary leaving.

K: I don't want people to tell you Dr. Kraemer said such and such
on the phone and refuses to see us.

HAK: I will call you Thursday.

K: Really do it. How do you feel?

HAK: Good. The only thing I am trying to do is maneuver him into a
position where there will be no ______ of his counter-argument.
You see I go back to the President, then I come back to him and
say that argument has been overruled, _______ By the middle of
April it will be done.

K: We will speak here only to the person who has been checked as
the top man.

HAK: I won't even let him submit a recommendation.

K: Thank you. Have some relaxation in New York.

HAK: I'm going up for business.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

Re: Telephone call to President
15 Mar. 72 1:05 p.m. Central
Re: telephone call to President

TELECON

peter Flanigan

3/15/72 12:05 p.m.

By: K.H. W. NASA Date 5/13/72

F: I'm returning your call and then I got a couple for you.

Kissinger: We are even now. Now I'm sore at you.

F: What about?

K: To run to the President with such a stupid jurisdictional dispute.

F: I did not run to the President!

K: Well, he learned about it.

F: I did not run to him. I expressed a concern and said it would be worked out.

K: That didn't get to him.

F: After I talked to you I explained there was a problem and we were working it out and I am calling you now to work on it some more.

K: Okay, will, I got some people in here now. How about 2:30? Can you come down?

F: 2:30, I'll be there.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Folger
By L. NARA Date 5/15/72

TELCOM

Amb. Dobrynin/Kissinger

12:25 p.m. - 3/15/72

D: Welcome back.

K: Thank you. Where was I?

D: I think that you were somewhere about 230 miles to the north.

K: That's right. Did you have me wired for sound?

D: When you are absent there is no sort of electric waves going on so when you go I do not feel the waves.

K: Anatol, I am checking with you about the following as my coordinator in managing the bureaucracy here. You apparently read your list to Hillenbrand (?).

D: Not all. I read what we discussed with you.

K: But didn't you tell him about the . . .

D: Only in a general way - one phrase saying we are prepared to receive American delegation without naming the delegation that was here and all the other things. I called Mr. Peterson but received a very strange reply. Rather my secretary called his secretary and she said he would like to see me and not talk on the telephone. That such questions would be better discussed in the office so I decided not to call any more.

K: Oh, god damn it! I'm going to get Peterson to call you this afternoon.

D: I am not going to call him. If he calls me, I will come, but I am not going to call him again.'

K: No, Anatol, I'm embarrassed and I will get it straightened out.

D: The State Department wants to use this: "They are prepared to receive an American delegation for continuation of the talks."

K: It is the President's intention - which he will insist to you on Friday when we meet - he wants to keep these things separated as much as possible.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority EOL2557
By CHNARA Date 9/1/87

D: Just what we discussed. I didn't say anything about...

K: You didn't go through SALT or anything else?

D: On SALT, yes, but not the technical and strategic committee or
into this environment. On SALT I only mentioned it but only to
say our delegation will look into this matter. I will give you all
that I said to them on Friday.

K: Ok. Peterson will give you a call this afternoon.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sept. 3.6

TELCORN

President/Kissinger
12:40 p.m. - 3/15/72

By: K.L. W. NASH, Date: 5/13/64

P: Henry, how was your reception in New York?

K: Very good. The Wall Street Journal people are 100% behind you and this fellow, whose name you mentioned - it starts with an R.

P: Royster?

K: Yes, that's the one. He came up from North Carolina for the meeting and was great. Totally in your support. Then I had a meeting with the Chinese.

P: How did it go?

K: Very friendly. Well, they were mumbling about Vietnam and Taiwan, but it was so mild.

P: They have to do that for the record. You remember Chou would do it for the record every time. I hope he knows we are going to hit them.

K: He knows about those carriers. I said we are going to hit them if they move.

P: Did you get across the other point about the House members going to China?

K: Yes, that's going to come back to you through Paris.

P: Well, Mansfield and Scott are not going to fly in American planes in China. They aren't going to have anything we didn't have.

K: Yes, that's going to be taken care of. They are going to be very cooperative on all of these things. We had an interesting conversation about the Chinese Ambassador in Somalia. He made a ______ to the Soviet Government. He said the development of good relations with the U.S. is part of the long range China plan to break the ______ between the Soviets and Asia. Good US relations are good for China's purposes. China sincerely believes in the 5-point plan elucidated in the communique. If the U.S. continues its withdrawal from Vietnam as promised, the Chinese would make similar withdrawals from Vietnam. The Ambassador added the expansion of trade between the two countries would be accompanied by political cooperation. I can't imagine the Somalians saying this.

Hus. Prof. Three the 3rd. to 4th
of the Sen. or l'th conv. of
Purdue College of
Sc. Sci.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.S.
NASHA Date: 5/13/04

P: Well, you know the Chinese have a close relationship with the Somalians. Incidentally, I was looking in the news summary this morning. It's the first time they had anything positive to say. This fellow Whiting from the state of Michigan. Do you know him?

K: Yes, he is very good. You know I had a letter from Kirk Douglas. He's making a movie in Europe. (Mr. Kissinger went on to read the letter stating euphoria about the President's trip, how impressed he was with the President and Mrs. Nixon; that he never saw Mr. Nixon look so well and Mrs. Nixon made a tremendous impact.)

P: He is a very bright guy and an honest man.

K: And a Democrat.

P: Oh yes, a lifelong Democrat. You know there is more to this than we think. Haldeman agrees and I think some of our staff people tend to get all wound up about Vietnam, ITT, Taiwan and this isn't the way the country feels about this thing.

K: That's what I think. I went to a party in New York and it was interesting to see the hundreds of people there. It was the opening of "The Godfather" and it seemed as if everyone enjoyed it. What did you think of the results in Florida?

P: Wasn't that something! Of course, Muskie may get Michigan and may get something in Wisconsin, but they (the Democrats) are horribly confused. On our side we have Ashbrook. He is supposed to be a good solid conservative and Florida is to be a conservative state and what does he get 9%.

K: Exactly.

P: Of course, we will not do that well in Wisconsin, but that's all right. On thing - you remember I said about the times when you ______ I think after Moscow would be better than before. I don't want them to ask you about what is going on because they go about getting information and then having it printed up. So if you can mark out a time around the 15th of June. Also for your planning, I decided we will go to California and be there about the first of July and spend two weeks so you might want to take your children with you.

K: That would be nice.

The President of the Executive Council
is the Source of all Creative Power
Nepotistic Snob!

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA, Dcm 5/12/04

P: I thought that I would go to California during the convention so we will go about the 1st of July and stay 2 or 3 weeks. Is there anything on that score or your trip to Mexico? I think Alemand has the best place down there and if you want to give him a call, call Bebe. If you could go to one of those sheltered coves where you could go into town when you wanted it would be nice.

K: Yes, that would be the best. What I may do now is this: stay here next week and go on the 30th of March and be back in town for the Gridiron Dinner. Now that you aren't going to the West Coast I don't want to be gone for two weeks. I can go over the Easter holiday.

P: That's right. That's fine. Nothing will be happening here.

K: It will be a little closer to the traveling I have to do.

P: Right. But in the meantime, the best thing is to be sure that on Saturday and Sunday you are off.

K: Those 4 days in Key Biscayne were the best thing I have done.

P: I think you are right. Go over Easter, but before you go to Acupulco don't talk to the State Department people, check with Rebozo.

K: Right, Mr. President.

K:

Re: [insert telephone number here]

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.5

By: KHLW NAVA Date: 5/13/04

TELCONE

Mr. Bluhdorn(Met. Mus. of Art)/Kissinger

3-15-72 - 1:45 p.m.

B: You disappeared last night.

K: Yes, well. . .

B: Well, I was going to have you, BeBe, Raquel Welch and Ali McGraw in a picture, have it blown up and show it to the President and send a copy to all of the Democrats. How did you enjoy it last night?

K: I enjoyed it very much.

B: Did you?

K: Yes I did.

B: It was a pretty wonderful evening. Some of the people think it was too long but some of the comments I am getting this morning are that it will be the biggest hit in the industry.

K: I thought it was very interesting. They had to establish the characters and that took time.

B: You sound like a movie producer. I'll get rid of Bob Evans and put you in.

K: Oh.

B: Just now the President of Paramount walked in and he is showing me a picture of Raquel and a little farther over is a face that looks like you, then Ali McGraw. I think you are the godfather. Listen, Henry, when I get back from my trip I would like to arrange something here in the east with this thing with China. I think it would be very interesting, not from a commercial point of view, in trying to get something together. I know Dick Watson in Paris and I'm going to be there. Is he the one to discuss this with?

K: Write me a letter. Watson has no authority to do anything.

B: Henry, if I can write you a note on it this is a way we could start to pave the road through the jungle.

K: Why don't you send me a note and I'll see what I can do with it.

H. J. S. H. W. O. N. E. T. C. E.

S. M. S. A. F. O. R. C. O. N. S. U. S. A.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Data 5/12/04

B: What do you think the chances will be in the next year or two years to travel through China to make this?

K: I think very good.

B: Do you think you could give us help on that?

K: I could get you through the right channels.

B: Of course, I have to take Ali McGraw along. You know you beat us there.

K: (Laughter) Why don't you write me a letter.

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

Re: [insert telephone number]

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: KHLW
NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELCOM

Gerard Smith/Kissinger

2:35 p.m. - 3/15/72

S: My authorization bill at the VELA part of ARPA in Defense is being transferred to ACTA. That is the research development operation that is taking care of underground testing and I have to appear tomorrow before the committee. I was prepared to say I just heard about it but hadn't had time to study it. In the meantime, I heard a man named Korologos in the White House had called Senator Cases' office and said the Administration was going to oppose Cases' method and Smith would so testify tomorrow.

K: Let me look into it. I don't know anything about it.

S: I think on the basis of that. . .

K: Let me look into it. Frankly I hadn't heard of the Case Amendment. I don't know who Korologos is. He is not on my staff. Let me look into it.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E12362
By CH NARA Date Stot

RELECON

D

3/15/72 5:45 p.m.

K: I called to check whether everything had been worked out.
Peterson was supposed to call you.

D: Yes, he called me. I am meeting him tomorrow at 10:45.

K: ...

D: Sometimes it's useful to squeeze them a little bit. I can
tell him all the stories?

K: Yes, all of that for the commercial side.

D: We are all set for the announcement tomorrow. General
Haig called me yesterday. That was all right.

K: Yes, there will be no problem.

D: No.

K: We are all set.

D: Yes, and I will see you on Friday.

K: 1:00 in the Map Room.

D: You think it will be possible to begin on this ABM ____?
Is it ready yet?

K: I will do my best.

D: If possible.

K: I may put off my vacation by 10 days,

D: So it will be when?

K: March 30 to April 8.

D: From the beginning of April?

K: Yes.

D: You can go two places to visit . . . but this is your business.

K: No, I would not trick you. I want to have the vacation closer to
my travel. But I mention it because if I don't take my fxxk vacation this
week we can perhaps meet Monday if you prefer that.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority Eolastex
By CHARA Date Stator

TELECON
D

3/15/72 5:45pm p. 2

D: Okay, you will let me know Friday?

K: I will call you Thursday.

D: Tomorrow.

K: Yes. From the point of view of our work, does it make any
differenct to you?

D: Prefer now rather than later date. You will be needed. I
may go there myself at the middle of April.

K: You know what the basic reason is.

D: No, I do.

K: I would like nothing better. It's really not intended as a rebuff at
you. Let's talk about it Friday.

D: 1:00 Friday.

K: Good

D: Good.

The President's Office of the Vice President
for the Vice President for Academic Affairs

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

By: K.H. W. NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Robert Kleiman/Kissinger

5:50 p.m. - 3/15/72

K: Where are you?

RK: In Aspen on my way to Tokyo. Will be gone for three weeks and
promised to let you know about general purpose forces. The plans
are made and I wanted to let you know I think you will be happy with
it. We are going to cover general purpose forces weapons system.
We have two days set, May 6 and 7.

K: Good.

RK: Then the Doty group is meeting with the Russians later in June so
they will get briefed on this phase and told what the problems are.
I talked to Phil Odeen. He's interested and John Court thought of
the same approach himself some weeks ago and possibly doing a
paper on it. Now I hear from Phil that Court might be there very
long.

K: From whom did you hear that?

RK: Well, when I talked to Odeen I said we would send him an invitation
and he said he didn't know if Court would be here that long. In any
case I have invited Odeen to participate and come up to the meeting
and also for Hal to come up if he likes.

K: Good and let me hear when you get back. I would like to hear of
your impressions there.

Re: phone tree from the report to
the press or something
McDonnell?

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM

P. Geyelin/Kissinger

5:55 p.m. - 3/15/72

K: Phil, how are you?

G: Good, how are you? Have you recovered from your voyages?

K: ; What do you mean, voyages?

G: Well, I haven't talked to you since you got back from China.

K: Yes, I have substantially recovered.

G: And happy with the results of it, no doubt.

K: Yes, I am pleased with the results.

G: Did you think we were substantially constructive?

K: I thought your first news story was very bad.

G: I thought we were generous. We are taking a rough beating from people who say we gave too much.

K: What I recall is the editorial you did on the Wednesday after with respect to selling out.

G: It is funny to me that very respectable people bought the George Ball argument. But that's not what I called you about. I would like to have a breakfast with you next week.

K: Let me get back to you. In principle, yes.

G: On this ASNE (?) thing. They are terribly anxious to have you, well they want to have the President but. . .

K: OK, if that is the attitude don't come to me as second choice. I've got my pride, too.

G: Henry, we want you.

K: You tell them it is either me or him and if they can't make up their mind that's it.

ne by

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By: K.L. Ly NASA Date: 5/12/04

- 2 -

G: No, would you do it if...

K: It is the 21st, isn't it?

G: The banquet on the 21st, yes.

K: Well, the major problem is that I may be out of town and whoever it is from the Wall Street Journal wrote me a letter.

G: I asked him to write you formally, but after I talked to you.

K: So I will settle that by Monday. Is that time enough?

G: We will hear about the President, but we would love to have you come by anytime. It is 3 days, the 19th to the 21st.

K: How about a background session. See how long it holds.

G: Only 800 editors so it should hold good.

K: I was up in Florida and noticed the night newspapers gave the plot away.

G: Oh, that's it. Well, they have asked the President, but Herb doesn't seem to be able to get an answer but if we could get him we would at least - well, we have to ask for the President first. That is a courtesy but deep down we know who we want.

K: Well maybe I can postpone a trip. No, actually I have agreed to go to a conference in Europe, but let me see what the dates are.

G: Well, it would give us great comfort if we knew we were going to have you if the President couldn't come.

and that:

The President's Office
The White House
Executive Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20506

TELECON

Max Ascoli
3/15/72 ca. 6:00pm

By: KMLY NASA Date: 5/12/72

A: I heard from Nancy that you will be in Acapulco unless something big and bad keeps you working.

K: That is possible. I will know definitely tomorrow.

A: Anyway, you will go to Acapulco on Sunday?

K: I am planning on it, but I may shift my vacation by 10 days in which case I will still come to your party.

A: That is wonderful, but it's not the reason I am calling you. It has to tell you it was such a pleasure to see you the other night, and within the limits possible we need to see each other a little more frequently.

K: I agree with you.

A: Friendships, like flowers, should not for any reason go stale -- I shouldn't say stale, because it hasn't.

K: I hasn't as far as I am concerned.

A: And you know about me. Anyway, if you come Sunday Marion and I will be glad but it won't be exactly a cozy party.

K: I gathered that.

A: In the particular period we are going in now we need to be in a little bit closer touch. I have ________ about our late friend who wrote about you in his diary a great deal.

K: Favorably?

A: I... sane man, a little bit blind God rest his soul.

K: But very intelligent.

A: Very intelligent. And the diary is full of documents that are ________ from a historic vantagepoint. I wouldn't like to publish it.

K: Does it go through his experience with the Kennedy Administration?

A: More with Roosevelt. I tried to tone down ________ documents... most difficult piece of writing. But the ... of Roosevelt is Harvard. But that unfortunately would be so ________ by such crackpots that they have become harmless. He brings in documents that don't... I will work about a week and then take a vacation

Re: E. Coli, Time is the only limit
is the best time for a decision
Please call me

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

BEELECON
Max Ascoli

3/15/72 ca. 6:00 p.m. p. 2

myself, go to the Bahamas.

K: When are you going?

A: Wednesday, for a week or so. And then ______ with the possibility of looking more seriously at what is the matter with this country.

K: That is a big project.

A: But I would like to talk with you about some ideas because I have some.

K: After our vacations will be a good time.

A: Have a good time and enjoy Acapulco. It takes some doing to enjoy Acapulco.

K: Thank you and I will do my best to come. If I am not going away I will certainly come.

By: KHLW NAFU, Date: 5/12/72

The President's Office
The White House
The President's Desk
The President's Mailbox

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

TELCOM

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:15 p.m., March 15, 1972

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/12/72

K: Two things, Bob -- one, have you sent that memo over to State yet?

H: No, I haven't. You wanted me to talk to the President about it. Do you want it to go?

K: They are taking a jurisdiction run again on that issue in connection with the announcement tomorrow.

H: I will send it tomorrow morning. I am going to rewrite it without all those NSDM numbers and stuff in it.

K: Okay, but would that establish the authority?

H: It is obviously a memorandum from you now. I will write it the way I would write it -- it will say the same thing.

K: No, no; that's fine. But will it be done before the announcement tomorrow.

H: When is the announcement?

K: At 11:30.

H: Sure, sure; I will send it first thing in the morning. Should I do it without talking to the President?

K: Well, it is established he is not going to run the goddamn thing. When we announce the thing, he wants to have Ziegler say he is in charge of it. That the President won't have. I think it better that you turned it off than for me to do it.

H: I will do it.

K: The second thing, I am trying to set up these trips. Will the President be on the West Coast in April?

H: It is now a possibility.

K: Will it be after the 22nd?

H: Yeah.

Re: a phone call with a person I don't know, but it sounds like a commercial telephone call.

TELCOM

Bob Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger

7:15 p.m., March 15, 1972 -- page 2

K: Cause that would be -- I am supposed to give a speech in Montana and I would like to set it up for a time when he is on the West Coast.

H: It is very much up in the air.

K: But it would be in the period between the 20th and the 30th?

H: There is something that will lock something in -- the dinner at Connallys in Texas on the 30th.

K: Will he be out there a week?

H: Yeah, but he may just go down to Texas for the dinner.

K: I understand. I can set this thing up around it one way or the other.

H: Okay.

K: Okay, thank you.

Re: [insert telephone number]

U.S. Air Force

Deputy Chief of Staff

For the Command

U.S. Army

For the Command

U.S. Navy

For the Command

U.S. Marine Corps

For the Command

U.S. Air Force

For the Command

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/64

TELECON
Peter Flanigan
3/17/72 8:32am

F: You and I once talked about the waiving of the legislation which prohibits sale of agricultural produces -- the PL480 items -- to Yugosalvia. You said at the time you didn't think the President would go for that. I so informed my people who went to your people, who went back to you and provided me with a memo which approved going forth with this. You follow me?

K: Yes.

F: Now there is a memo from my people suggesting that Clarence Palmby go up to Congress and tell them we support this Findley amendment.

K: Let me check on that again.

F: Would you like a paper on it?

K: Yes.

F: I'll bring it fight down since it's bouncing back and forth.

Hquidun Iinilu ilo open la
qilu laila ulikul
Pabulalat Sila!

OCLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

TELCONE

Sec. Rogers/Kissinger

9:40 a.m. - 3/16/72

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

R: Hi, Henry.

K: Bill, you called me last night?

R: Last night? No.

K: I got a message that you called last night and you might call again this morning.

R: No, I didn't call you last night. But on this business about the Qs and As today on the Soviet Union trip, I am perfectly prepared to be reasonable about how we state it but I don't want it to appear that we in the State Department are only doing routine things.

K: I agree completely. Bill, I don't care how they state the damn thing. I don't think it is good for either of us to be in charge of it in this way. Did they send you what I suggested they say?

R: No. Well, they sent me something that said the State Department will handle diplomatic matters which will be okayed at the White House.

K: What do you think we should say?

R: Well, first this is a coordinated effort under the direction of the President; that the diplomatic and substantive matters will be handled the normal way by the State Department with full cooperation of Dr. Kissinger and his staff.

K: Well, let me see if we can phrase something like that and I will check it with Ted before we give guidance. I don't think we should do anything that . . .

R: No, and I think it gives us more of a chance to say this is a cooperative effort. The reason China was different was because we didn't have diplomatic relations with them.

K: Well, as far as I'm concerned. . . I want you to know anything I can do to make it appear to be a cooperative effort I will do.

The president of the open house
and the son of a commercial
publicity director?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.1.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

R: I think this is important because there has been so much speculation.

K: You know after Stu Alsop had this TV piece I pleaded with him to shut up.

R: Well, I've been public life for a long time and. . .

K: Well, we can't do anything about the columnists.

R: Oh, now I remember what it was I called about. I called Haig about the Watson thing, but he wasn't in.

K: We were both at the Correspondent's Dinner. You were wise not to come.

R: They're boring as hell. Anyway, we are going to try to turn off all comment. I thought the story came out a little better than it was.

K: That was a juvenile performance. It doesn't make one too confident, but the President really feels we ought to back him completely.

R: We don't have a choice at the moment.

K: But if he does it again we have another situation.

R: It's wealthy men who are exposed to this sort of thing. It's only those like Nelson who keep their cool.

K: And he flies in a private plane.

R: Yes.

K: OK, Bill.

Huygens-Kissinger, open line
girl, Ss. of commercial
Publicity Dept.?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

TELCONE

Schechter/Kissinger

11:10 a.m. - 3/16/72

K: Is it true that there is a picture of me now up in the square of the City of Heavenly Peace?

S: Well, I saw a couple of ones back in the woods there.

K: All right, make fun of me, but I understand my name has become a household word. How are you?

S: Great. I had two incredible weeks including some lunches with Sihanouk and the Chinese Ambassador to Cambodia.

K: I read your interview in TIME last week.

S: Well he had other things to say, some which they didn't get in the magazine, but the main thing is that the Chinese seem to be backing you up as a man to negotiate with and Chou said the President said he was not ready to negotiate with Sihanouk yet, but he came back from Hanoi saying they wanted to keep going. They didn't want to negotiate now. I tried to explain a few things at lunch.

K: Like what?

S: Well, how to settle it and I don't know if it got through to them but I got no response.

K: What did you tell them?

S: That I thought there could be flexibility as far as the electoral commission is concerned.

K: That's fair enough. Did he know who I was?

S: I am sure he does. I just put it in terms of what I thought the White House thinking was.

K: I see.

S: The Chinese didn't say much, just listened. They are giving Sihanouk a ride. They're sending him to Yugoslavia and Rumania, also Algeria and Albania.

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.6

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Please read it out loud.

By: KMLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

K: Oh, really. They told me last year they might. Were you and Kraft together?

S: Most of the time. He went off to Peking and I stayed in Shanghai for a while and then stopped in Canton. They were gracious but seem to want to move slowly.

K: Good, well I would like to see you. I may go on vacation next week so it may have to wait until I get back.

S: I want to get that cover picture to you.

K: Could I get it?

S: Yes, you can't have the original, but you will get a special reproduction copy.

K: I would be delighted.

S: Say, Henry, could you join us at the White House Correspondents' dinner?

K: You mean on the 29th? I already...

S: I mean at our table.

K: Oh, you mean at your table! Yes, if I am in town. The President may go to the West Coast, but I will probably be in town so let me say yes now. Now, Jerry, there is a girl in New York who used to work for me in the Rockefeller campaign - Haley Rodwell - who has come back from England to pursue her boyfriend in New York. She is an extremely able, dedicated and attractive girl who was a great secretary when I worked with her. Now she want to do a combination secretary/research thing and wondered if she could be interviewed at *Time* or *Fortune*.

S: Or *Life*?

K: *Life*, I don't care. I don't know who to send her to, but I have to limit my support. She is outstanding, good and reliable.

S: Did she work for you?

Hiroo Sato, a Japanese military officer, is being investigated for allegedimes of war罪.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: On a part time basis, but I stayed in sporadic contact with her. I want, rather don't want to be in a position to put the arm, but in terms of ability she has my highest encouragement, but it is not a personal favor to me.

S: Well, let me find out and I will let you know tomorrow morning. How is that?

K: Good. Well, Jerry now that you are back we will be savaged again. You know you were spreading yourself a little thin attacking us in two magazines again.

S: I see you are in good form.

K: When did you get back?

S: Monday. I am sleepy. I had an interview with Sato for an hour on Monday which was fascinating. He has really pulled back from the Taiwan situation. We asked him what about Japan becoming a nuclear power. He said, "Look at the dispense treaty. That will keep Japan from becoming a nuclear power." We asked him if he would like to go to Russia and negotiate a peace treaty. We thought he might like to go and get the islands back, but I think it's too late for that. He's a lame duck.

K: Where did you see him?

S: At his official residence, but he was fascinated with China and asking a lot of questions. The Chinese want to buy a polyester plant.

K: What do they want us to do, build another competitor?

S: Well, you know the Japanese.

K: No, I don't. OK, Jerry, I read all of this with interest. I will probably be gone next week so I will see you when I get back.

September 16, 1972

President's Office

Reynolds House

Washington, D.C.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1293, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA, Date: 5/13/72

TELECON
Senator Mansfield

3/16/72 11:35 a.m.

K: I wanted you to know on a personal basis, and strictly for your own use -- I haven't even told Scott -- where we stand on your trip. We put your letter into official channels, and the Chinese are acting on it. But then we have a private channel which no one knows about except you now for the President, which we have put our personal interest in the trip including some of your questions about your desires, the dates and so forth. They will answer you in the other channel, but I wanted you to know that the fact that we are handling it this way means the President gives it the highest priority.

M: I understand.

K: Any time you want to see the President, it will be arranged, but after we get the date, if you are willing, we might all get together and give you our best judgment of the state of play.

M: I haven't bothered you or the President because I know you both have enough on your minds and I figured if you knew something to tell me you would get in touch.

K: Well, I wanted you to know it isn't being handled in a routine way. My guess would be in the next two weeks we will hear from them. Usually when something doesn't look possible they shut it off early.

M: If they can exercise patience, we will too.

K: They have their own way of doing business. They always want to be in a position where things happen at their own pace and not in response to anything anyone says.

M: Right. Thank you Henry.

The telephone system open to the public in
of the State of California
Public Records Branch

TELCOM

Mr. Hoving (Met. Mus. of Art)/Kissinger
3:00 p.m. - 3/16/72

H: Hello.

K: Hello, how are you?

H: Fine. You are very kind to call back. My President/is about to go to Paris to talk to his old friend and former member of the Board of Directors of the Met.

K: Dick Watson?

H: Yes.

K: I think he should wait a week.

H: Well, he is going in two weeks and would take every lead and instruction.

K: Well, in that case he and the Chinese will be well-programmed.

H: By late April?

K: Yes, by late April. In fact, we will organize Watson to raise it.

H: In late April.

K: You see we have these private requests in two categories. Those in which we let the individual shift for themselves at the nearest Chinese Embassy and those we put in our channel. You are in the latter category. In fact, I have even given Dillon's letter to Chou En-lai.

H: That is splendid.

K: Well, they are meticulous in following our ____ and I would be astonished if they are not prepared by April.

H: The best thing would be to alert your office.

K: Fine. That would be best. Give me two weeks.

H: Fine, then we will let you know what his departure day is.

K: Exellent.

Re: [redacted] Meeting of the Executive Committee of the Advisory Council for Academic Programs

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12950, Sept. 3.6

By: KHLW NAFU Date: 5/12/04

H: That is all I need to know. We will just inform you and stand by.

K: Good. I hope it works out.

H: They came the other night for the opening of Chinese Calligraphy.

K: Oh, I was very tempted to come, but at the last minute I couldn't make it. Who came, the Ambassador?

H: No, he is coming next week for a private showing. We find it more comfortable in separate smaller groups.

K: Oh, good.

H: I will then let you know precisely the plans and await your instruction.

at your office.

It would be best. Give me two more.

E: Fine, then we will let you know what his decision is.

I'm excellent.

The President's Office
The State of Maryland
Executive Branch

---

The President's Office

TELCONE
Lord Cromer/Kissinger
4:15 p.m. - 3/16/72

NASA Date 5/12/72

K: Hello, Mr. Ambassador. I wonder whether I could ask you the following on Malta. As you know you have indicated that Monday is the date in which you irrevocably must decide to get out.

C: That I am not certain of.

K: Well, after which date your decision will be irrevocable so therefore we shouldn't - well, Mintoff knows this.

C: Yes.

K: At the same time we have to make the decision whether to give the extra $2.5 million. I wonder whether the following was conceivable to you. Basically, I think he (Mintoff) is a gangster. I would like to take him down to the wire and see if we can make him cave because if we can make him cave, I think it will affect his relations with us for the future.

C: Yes, have you heard anything about the exclusion of the securities?

K: We told him we wouldn't do that. We just can't be asked to give him money for the right of excluding our ________. The best thing available is your threat of withdrawal. If we could have your private understanding that you will have the position on March 21 or whatever the date is, it would become irrevocable. We will then take the position we refuse to pay the extra $2.5 million. Then he may cave. If he doesn't we would like to appeal to you to give us a few more days extension to try the $2.5 million but as far as our bureaucracy is concerned we won't tell them anything.

C: But we will play it up to the last possible moment.

K: But could you give us a private extension of the . . .

C: I will have to ask that - go to London. It is an actual decision on the ground; not a political decision.

K: Could you ask and let me know tomorrow.

C: I will try to let you know tonight.

is the best one if commercial
Publicity Mail?

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: That would be good and if you could let us know that that would be our strategy and we would not tell anybody in our bureaucracy.

C: Of course he does change from day to day. He was lying to you people.

K: He is terrible. He has an English girl after me. I get calls from that girl and she asks me if I will see Mintoff. I say, "put it in the right channels and I will see what I can do."

C: It's awful when girls get into this sort of thing.

K:
I will
get on

K: Could you.

C: I will try to let

The President's Office of the Vice President for Business Affairs

By: K.M.W.

NASHUA, Date: 5/13/04

TELECON
Peter Flanigan

3/17/72 12:13 p.m.

F: Holland refused to take the Bunch position at the UN.

K: Good.

F: Rogers suggests either Pederson...

K: No! I will under no circumstances have Pedersen get this job. He is not our friend.

F: How about Bill Buffam?

K: He is a nice, second-rate foreign service officer.

F: But who else can you get? Brad Morsin wants to be it but I'm not sure we want to let our Congressman go.

K: Ray X.uy Pat Moynihan's officer might want it.

F: No!

K: Yes...

F: I'll call him. But you are not against Buffam?

K: Buffam does us no good at all. He is responsive to the foreign Service, not to the President necessarily.

F: Is it an important job though?

K: It's not a crucial job, but it can have an important role.

F: Habib has had a family serious heart attack apparently. So Korea may be opening up.

K: Could be.

F: What is your thinking about sending Ribeiro?...

K: Excellent.

F: To Spain.

K: Oh, to Spain?

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.5

By: K.M.W. NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

TELECON

Peter Flanigan

3/17/72 12:13 p. m. p. 2

F: Yes, he speaks Spanish, he ______, and he knows Franco. I am getting concerned about sending people who are contributors up to the Hill to get confirmed.

K: Riveiro is okky.

F: What do you want me to say? That Henry Kissinger supports it?

K: Yes, I'll support it.

F: Let me get a paper down to you.

H. W. S.UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA

BOSTON DATED: 1971-04-17

CLASS: E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

By: KMLV

NASA Data

5/12/72

TELCONE

Van Hoffman/Kissinger

12:15 p.m. - 3/17/72

K: If that invitation to dinner is still open the week of April 2, almost any day that week except the 3rd would be good.

V: Why don't you name it?

K: Let us just say the 5th then.

V: OK, why don't I call you the 5th and we will decide where. How are you otherwise?

K: Fine.

V: Have you signed any good treaties lately?

K: What do you mean?

V: You're lucky you're in foreign affairs. You don't have to worry about busing.

K: I would like some guidance on that.

V: It's very bad. They're going to make a Northern Ireland out of this country. It seems to me that whenever they institutionalize things they ask for trouble.

K: Do you think busing would be a way of breaking it down or making it worse?

V: I don't think it's a question of busing per se. If other things are happening busing isn't too important. If it's not busine, it's this or that. The busing is going to be marginal in the sense you can't possibly solve the differences in an area like this by putting people on a bus. But if they aren't doing anything and they aren't - it's not just them. We have a group here at the newspaper - a group of black reporters are complaining bitterly about the paper's policy.

K: Oh, really.

V: Yes, to everyone. I am working on a piece now about black students and things that other people in Boston are concerned about. It's Harvard stockholders in the light of Angola.

The position of the open end co
is held by Mr. Kissinger as a consultant
Prepared by Mr. Kissinger

By: K.M. V

NASA Date

5/12/72

TELCONE

Amb. Rabin/Kissinger
12:30 p.m. - 3/17/72

K: Mr. Ambassador.

R: How are you?

K: OK. I wanted to tell you what my present thinking is on the matters we discussed. One, I won't pursue anything today and that will have the effect of dragging things for two weeks. Two, I cannot assume the responsibility for dragging it beyond that point myself because I have other business to conduct. My present inclination is to turn it back to the original channel where it was and get out of it myself. I think that we will just have to see what the evolution is.

R: Do you have now to make such a decision on your part?

K: I can wait until I get back but I do not want to spring it on you all of a sudden. I must give some sort of a response when I drag it through this session.

R: I think if you have nothing against it I will write to notify her of your inclination on your part.

K: OK, that's my present thinking because I think otherwise the problem will become more ______ and I will ruin other things that are going on.

R: I see.

K: And I didn't want to do it as a surprise.

R: If it will be possible . . .

K: No, I will do nothing until I get back.

R: Then if it is possible I will recommend we have another talk.

K: Good, but don't create a crisis out of it because I have no great desire to create pressure because no matter what you tell me I may be inclined to do that but I just don't feel enthusiastic about my involvement in this.

R: It is a complicated problem. Thank you very much for calling.

DECLASSIFIED

TELCONE

Dobrynin/Kissinger

5:30 p.m. - 3/17/72

K: Anatol, just to show you what good service you are getting out of me. . .

D: I do appreciate it.

K: It is approved. He will do it. Now the only thing I will do is notify State and get them to get in touch with you and work out a mutual convenient date.

D: Good. Thank you very much. I have to wait and check with them. They will call me.

K: They will call you.

D: Fine. I will wait until they call me.

K: Right. Now you can't complain about that. One other thing - about press coverage - I had a brief talk with him and Haldeman. They are thinking of a contingent, including everyone, of about 150 including TV people.

D: Including those already in Moscow?

K: No.

D: There are already quite a number.

K: But that is on the assumption that we use your equipment. Your ground station. If we bring in our own that means another 50 or 60.

D: I see.

K: I mean don't hold me to those precise numbers.

D: No, no. I think it's quite all right. I will mention it to them.

K: We will not make a formal proposal until we hear your informal reaction.

D: Then I will come back to you. About the draft of the communique - whether it is possible or desirable.

K: Of course it is possible. You can leave out possible. It is desirable.

D: OK. Thank you and have a nice vacation.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority E01288
By CHARA Date Elot

K: Thank you and don't you do any mischief while I am gone.

D: Oh no no, I will be very quiet. I am wondering why the President allows you to go.

K: Well, it is up to you.

D: I noticed the other day you saw a good movie.

K: 'The Godfather'. It's a very good movie. Look, why don't you come to the West Coast when I am out there. I will throw a party and will have every movie star there.

D: Then I will take my wife.

K: Take your wife definitely and every movie star will throw a party for you. I can tell you definitely we will be there the first three weeks in July and maybe the last part of April.

D: Well, I will check with you then at the end of April.

K: That would be great. We will throw.

D: I do not prefer to throw, I prefer to stay on the ground.

K: We will throw you a party beyond socialist realism.

D: All right.

K: Let us do it either the end of April or in July.

D: When you come back I will check with you.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
tell him asap if he is
McGwire's Macs

By: KMH NAFU Date: 5/13/72

TELCOM

Gerard Smith/Kissinger

5:35 p.m. - 3/17/72

S: Henry, I had a feeling that in the discussion this morning we got involved so much in the Defense subject that we didn't really touch on ________ very heavy. I am wondering if you think the President really has the full thrust of my feelings about what the proper levels should be. He didn't even ask me.

K: What I told him was that you were in favor of one-for-one but you could live with two-for-two. You wanted to stay away from hardside. Is that fair?

S: That's right, but I feel the one-for-one is better than two-for-two. It's more negotiable and the two-for-two is going to take a day or two.

K: My impression is the one-for-one he will not buy and I guess that must have been yours this morning too.

S: Well, I didn't spent any time on it.

K: When I told him before the meeting what the issues were he said I will just veto it and I said but you have to hear them. Would you like to see the President about it?

S: I would like to, but I hate to encroach on his time.

K: Do you have a memo which shows your ________ on one-for-one.

S: I can do one right now.

K: Can you get that over? Because if you do I will be sure it gets into the President.

S: I will do it right away.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: K.H.W. NASH, D.C. 5/13/04

TelCon:5:55:3/17/72

Mr. Kissinger
Secretary Laird

L: Hello Henry. I am returning your call. I am putting my son on the plane to go to Florida.

K: I talked to the President about the matter we discussed. He feels - he is insistent on the Vice Chief. He would go along with you on the assumption that the Chief - you get a firm commitment from him that he will retire in two years.

L: No, I have no problem with that. That is fine. You know I would do anything for Al.

K: Yes.

L: I mean you told the President what I think of Al - I would do anything for him.

K: Yes the President knows and he wants you to do this if Al is willing to take the risk and make that sacrifice.

L: Fine, now I will talk with Abe privately. He may not want to go along with this.

K: You mean if he doesn't want to go along with this.

L: That is no problem for me or Al though. If he doesn't I would then go to Davidson.

K: Fine.

The following is a true report of
good news at a good time.
Please read it.

By: K.L.V

NASA Data

5/13/74

TELCON

Dr. Kissinger/Jack Valenti

3/17/72 6:20 p.m.

JV: I had nothing of urgency that couldn't wait until you got back.
There are two things: Letter about Paul Foreman (?).

HAK: I would like to sit on that for two weeks until we get these
exchanges going.

JV: That is fine. Secondly, we are about to have a problem with the
Indian government which may cause us in the motion picture industry
a problem. They want us to sign an agreement with them that is
going to be very difficult -- one that is beyond our position to move at.
It think it is an Indian attempt to get rid of American films in India.
I told our people I would check out with you and State Department
so that you could understand.

HAK: Why not talk to Joe Sisco -- I have no problem with it.

JV: We have been going on in a quasi-negotiations with them and
soon we will have to come to an agreement -- we can't come to these terms.
I will talk to Joe Sisco.

HAK: All right, good. It was a pleasure to see you

JV: I am here in Disneyland for a Corporation Public Broadcasting
meeting.

HAK: Just remember me when I need a new job.

JV: You will be our new sex symbol

HAK: Now I must match performance.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.6

H. E. M. T. H. J. M. A. E. P. O. R. E. C. A.

By: KHC W NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM
Rowland Evans/Mr. Kissinger

3/17/72 6:30 p.m.

RE: Briefly, I had lunch talk with a leading official of Israel whos name I won't mention. They are very concerned about Moscow and the President's talks in Moscow. I know this is very difficult to talk about for you, but is there any possibility that Israel could feel misused as a result of Moscow?

HAK: We haven't even been in Moscow--there is a limit to what we can ask.

RE: I know, yes. Did Mrs. Meir make a strong pitch when we was here?

HAK: She always makes that pitch.

RE: The thing that occured to me is that the Russians have to show something in the Middle-East.

HAK: I don't think you or one can speculate. What could we do that is conceivable that we could do that you haven't known about?

RE: This is handled at the White H₂O use.

HAK: We can't refuse to talk about anything if they chose to talk about it.

RE: Well, waht if they offer a reduction in arms or something for a ________.

HAK: That has been speculation from time immemorial.

RE: They are hurting more than they have ever before with the Soviets.

HAK: Do we want to give ourselves reassurances in a high political thing. I don't think it is fruitful for us to do that. You shouldn't read anything into my annoyances about the high political thing.

RE: I missed you at lunch with Mrs. Cooper. You missed a nice party I see you are in pictures.

HAK: If you won't let me do backgrounders, I must get into pictures.

RE: I will see you soon. All right, Henry.

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.M.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCORN

Norton Simon/Mr. Kissinger

3/17/72 7:15 p.m.

HAK: I wanted to call you because you were going to call me when you
came to Washington the next time, and I just wanted to renew the invitation.

N&: Frankly, Henry, I haven't been to Washington since then.

HAK: I will be on the West Coast in the last week of April.

NS: Let's get together then. We are going to Europe the first couple
of weeks in April. Let's plan seeing one another when you come to the
West the latter part of April. I have been quite impressed by some
of your predictions--some of them have come to pass.

HAK: Did they happen?

NS: Yes, some of them have--you know in the economic scene--there have
been a lot of them. Well, Henry you have taken care of the Chinese.

HAK: Let's take care of the Russians next.

NS: Drop me a line when you are coming.

HAK: Good. I will count of it then.

The New York Times and the press in
the Senate and in the House
Reconnaissance Staff

TELCONE

Vera Glasser/Mr. Kissinger

7:30 p.m., March 17, 1972

By: KHLW NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

G: How are you?

K: Okay.

G: I was calling you because our Club is going to have a symposium in June on Government and the Press. We would be very honored if you could participate. It will be an all-day session between Government officials and journalists. Part of it, probably the morning session will be on backgrounders. The afternoon will be on another subject. We thought that it would be marvelous if you could participate in the backgrounder session which would include 3 government officials and 3 journalists, one of which will be Ben Bradley. What we are attempting to do --

K: I know what you are attempting to do -- do me in again, that's what.

G: (laughter) I was about to say we wanted to emphasize that we would like to approach this on a problem solving basis, not on anyone locking horns. Backgrounders obviously have uses and have been abused in some cases. But we hope to come out of it with some suggestions.

K: What's the date?

G: Set for June 10.

K: Yeah. I don't think I can do it. I am giving a speech the evening before in New York.

G: Will you be coming back to Washington?

K: Probably not.

G: We do have another fallback date but it is closer to us. It is May 13th. We were hoping to make it June 10th so that it would be beyond your Moscow trip.

K: I am not sure I want to do it anyway. Would you write me a letter?

G: I would be delighted to. We have one relatively small problem -- could we get a rather prompt response from you, say within a week.

K: I will do my best.

The President's Office of the Vice President
The State of New York
Department of State

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/72

TELCONE

Vera Glasser/Mr. Kissinger

7:30 p.m., March 17, 1972

G: Everybody is still talking about you at the Congressional dinner.

K: Oh, yeah. You should read it in German.

G: We are having a record made, did you know that?

K: No.

G: The whole thing in a record. There will be a censored version.
You are going to be getting a copy of it.

K: Aren't you sweet.

G: We will be showing it to our members for 2 bucks.

K: I had a great time with it.

G: It was a great, great dinner. Going back to the other -- the symposium -- we regard this really as something that will make a real contribution.
I will spell it out a little more precisely in the letter.

K: And include your fallback position.

G: May 13th. We want to make it as good as we can and June 10th
would give us more time.

K: I understand.

G: I will include the fallback too and hope that you can participate.
Thanks so much for considering it.

K: Okay.

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DECLASSIFIED

Authority: Eolaser
By: C.P. NARA Date: 6-20-72

TelCon:3/17/72

Afternoon
Mr. Kissinger/
Ambassador Dobrynin

(Picked up in middle of conversation)

D: You have the paper in front of you?

K: No, I have it of course but I don't have it in front of me - my staff assistant is not here - but you go ahead and read it to me.

D: First, the United States and the USSR will proceed on the premise that it would be impossible to improve mutual relations.

K: No - that is a typing error. Of course it is possible not impossible. It is a typing error.

D: I don't know . .

K: Well, let me check it. That word should be "possible" and I will call you right back.

D: Secondly, what about the . . . biological . . .

K: On a personal basis I have very strong recommended it to the President and it is inconceivable that he . . .

D: Moscow is asking me for a reply

K: There will be a reply.

D: Officially you are not going to do it . .

K: No we will get a positive reply by Monday night.

D: It is soon the 20th already - between the 20th and the 24th.

K: They are now thinking of the 28th.

D: . . . . British proposal . . .

K: I don't care just as long as we get them to do it.

D: In the middle of March - . . Moscow . . .

K: Are you talking about in the middle of April?

DECLASSIFIED

Authority F-12368
By CHNARA Date 6/1/68

D: No, I am talking about March - we discussed between the 20th and 24th. The British said the 28 of March. . . .

K: Let me first get the President's agreement and then State will work out a mutual reply to no later than Monday.

D: Is it right to presume it will be March.

K: It is possible.

D: Will you be here on Monday.

K: Look I have the paper now - the word should be 'possible' - it is a typing error. . .

D: . . .

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: Folsom
By: L.P. NARA Date: 6-1-72

TELCONE

Dobrynin/Kissinger

10:40 a.m. - 3/18/72

D: I thought you were somewhere swimming.

K: Not yet. I just want you to know we are still watching you. At 2:30 this afternoon you can start movement.

D: The Big Brother will stop at 3:00?

K: No, 2:30. I leave the office. Anatol, what I wonder is whether by the time I come back we could get some idea of how long you propose that the visit last.

D: I will.

K: Because it is getting embarrassing with that other stuff and secondly, whatever suggestions you may have as to a third city. It could be Kiev, some place from the point of view of the President, if it was in a southerly direction it would help us make it a shorter ride.

D: There is no problem. I wonder about ______.

K: No, that was just thinking out loud. We would like to get your reactions before we make it definite. Maybe Kiev is a better place though.

D: It's the same route really. It's a bit west by 200 miles.

K: That's another possibility.

D: Have you asked the President?

K: I haven't explored it at great length. Our only problem is that it is on the way south.

D: All right. I will try to get an answer by Thursday the 30th.

K: Good.

D: You will have lunch with me then.

K: Good. And it will really be good if we can get some of the questions, some preliminary things on South Asia taken care of.

DECLASSIFIED

Authority: Folsinger
By: L.P. NARA Date: April 19, 1969

D: On SALT? On the first part I cannot get an answer.

K: The first part is the submarines. I want Semenov to know our delegation knows nothing of what I talked to you about. It is conceivable that we will slip that three-state (non-) early in the discussions; that we accept your proposal early in the discussion, but until Smith says something to Semenov, Semenov shouldn't say anything to Smith. On the ABM proposals you can mention it as a thinking out loud proposal. It is not absolutely final but something you could put as the voice of a friend who is often right.

D: Yes, what about the second part? I just put it as a thinking out loud?

K: Well, is the second one under submarines? I just want some reaction from them.

D: Some reaction as an idea rather than a Soviet proposal.

K: So far we have heard nothing from Moscow.

D: I mentioned to them that you were thinking out loud.

K: Well, I have given it to you now and if they react in a constructive way we can move it very quickly.

D: And in that connection they can make some counterproposals.

K: We can do them like we did some other things. Aslo we want to leave something open to be settled at the summit. You and I can agree but we should leave something to be settled in Helsinki.

D: Yes.

K: We have instructed State and they, in the normal way, will call you. I am sure you will be called on Monday. We gave them the instruction last evening. Anatol, the two dates we gave State were the 4th of April or the 7th of April.

D: 4th or 7th.

K: Yes, our preference is the 4th. They are going to check it with the British and then they will get to you.

D: Right, Henry, so have a nice rest. I will try not to bother you very much.

The President's Office
The White House
The President's Desk
Executive Summary

TELCOM

Sec. Rogers/Kissinger

11:58 a.m. - 3/18/72

By: K.L. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

R: Hi, Henry.

K: Bill, I was just talking to the President about various aspects of the summit and the problem of consulting our allies. He was wondering if you would go to Europe around May 1 for a couple of days to meet with Heads of Government and Foreign Ministers and the NATO group.

R: Sure, that's fine.

K: And that would be about 3 weeks before. In other words, they can say we take their views into account. So if you agree, I guess it would take 4 or 5 days to do in all.

R: Fine. I have to check with the schedule and see how it looks.

K: He thought May 1, give or take a day.

R: Fine, Henry. I'll take a look at it and then I'll recommend a schedule for the President to look at.

K: Fine, I will leave it in your hands. His idea was to visit the big 4 and maybe the NATO council.

R: I have to stop in Ireland - maybe I can stop on the way.

K: You can do that too.

R: The Foreign Minister wants to come here but wants to wait until I come there.

K: Right.

R: You know I am afraid of this Watson thing. Wayne Hayes is trying to have an investigation on him now. It would not assume this importance if it weren't for the China trip and this bit with Anderson. What he (Anderson) is doing now is going around stimulating information. What happens is a guy gets drunk and makes a fool of himself.

K: He didn't know what he was coming back for.

R: He must have. I gave him a hint.

K: Well, there is no excuse for it. If he had picked a day for maximum embarrassment, He couldn't have done better.

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The President's Office
The President's Desk
Publicity Office

TELCOM

McNamara/Kissinger

12:10 p.m. - 3/18/72

M: Some weeks ago we talked about the membership of the PRC in the Bank. You hoped we would not act in that way prior to the President's return, but we could inform the Board we are going to negotiate on a new project in Taiwan. I withheld that. Now we are at a point where I think for two reasons we got to go forward with a notice that says in the normal course of business we are going to invite the PRC together with ________. We would send that invitation out and negotiate 2, 3 or 4 months from now. If we don't send out a notice it is going to arouse comment and secondly, I am going to the Governor's Meeting in ________ and it will become an issue. I am disinclined to place it before them until after the Asian Development Bank meeting. That is the end of April. I did not want to send out this notice without informing you.

K: That's fair enough.

M: We do have trouble ahead of us on this issue. Do you think they would prefer not to have it ________. Ambassador Wong just came back. I haven't seen him but it is my understanding that now they have Japan support for continued membership and borrowing. It is impossible to have them as members and not allow them to borrow.

K: I don't think you have any choice.

M: I don't want to do it without your knowledge. How are you otherwise?

K: Fine. I'm going on a vacation today.

M: Where are you going?

K: Off to Acapulco.

M: Oh god, a jetsetter. Have a good time. See you when you get back.

K: You know better. I can't fool my old friends.

Presidential Suite

By: K.J. WATKIN, D.C.C. Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Andy Williams/Mr. Kissinger

12:10 p.m. 3/18/72

AW: Do you know ____________--who set up the Ali-Frazier fight--
he is my agent too--very top rated. He went over to see someone to
do some sort of thing maybe on Chinese ballet or other. Tom Evans
sent him up to see Len Garment. Who could we see to set up an exchange
thing with Peking?

HAK: Wait a week. Then write to the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa.

AW: We did that three months ago.

HAK: Then it couldn't work; now it would work. By the end of next
week write a letter to the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa.

too

AW: And go up/see him, I guess--is that the way we should do it then?

HAK: Yes. And let me know if there is anything we can do from
this end.

AW: All right. Thank you.

HAK: I enjoyed your singing the other night.

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12959, Sect. 3.6

The President's special advisor
on the State of the Republic of
Afghanistan

By: K.M.L. / NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

Mr. Kissingers/Earle Butts

12:30 p.m. 3/18/72

HAK: I was talking to the President about agricultural negotiations with the Soviets. For political reasons (not domestic, but foreign) we have an interest in giving high preferential treatment to counter-balance Russia ______ and are fairly anxious to get you over there as a head to a delegation before the President's trip in April. You don't have to conduct negotiations--Pomfret (sp?) or whoever you designate can conduct them. We would like to have negotiations conducted so that there remains something small to be done by him when he is there.

EB: We would love to have this done too. What date?

HAK: Suit your convenience.

EB: Clarence Pomfret has a trip scheduled. I assume this will be arranged with National Security.

HAK: We would like you to head that group whenever that trip was suppose to take place in early April.

EB: The trip that was schedule? All right. They gave me an invitation, it was formal. I hesitated to go because I thought I could best spend my time here between now and November.

HAK: I will get State people and my people to work on arranging the time.

The President's Office in the State of California

Publications Staff

TELCOM

Stu Alsop/Kissinger

12:45 p.m. - 3/18/72

(Came in late)

K: From whom did you hear it, Tom Braden?

A: Tom Braden or Rowland Evans, I don't remember which.

K: I may have said it to both of them.

A: As you know I wrote that Spectrum piece long before I saw you.

K: The issue wasn't that. In one respect you were incidentally wrong in the piece. And that is that the Chinese did not insist in the Chou En-lai meetings of excluding Rogers. We followed the procedure we followed throughout the Administration; that is the President meets with the Heads of Government and Rogers meets with the Foreign Minister.

A: As I recall in the '55 meetings I had. . .

K: No, I am talking about this Administration. In this Administration there was nothing new about this procedure.

A: Had you had previous meetings? I can't remember.

K: I mean Head of Government meetings. In everyone the President met with the Head of Government and the Secretary with the Foreign Minister.

A: Don't you think this is a little different. You know it is not like meeting with Mr. Heath.

K: No, I am just making the narrow point. The other part you wrote was right.

A: I had thought they would set up the agenda and you would follow it.

K: Well, they didn't break into tears, but they weren't unhappy.

A: I hear you're off on vacation.

K: Yes, one reason I called you is John Scali said he had lunch with you yesterday and he was going to compose something on the differences we have and my experience with John Scali is that. . .

Re: a few simple questions

What is the purpose of this?

What is the function of this?

By: K.L. WATKIN, Date: 5/12/04

A: Well, now that's funny. I talked to John about two weeks ago and he said he couldn't make it. He would call me later. I haven't heard from him since.

K: Well, he came in here yesterday all excited about the fact that he was going to help me *struggle* straighten out my differences with you.

A: Well, that's another Washington mixup, but we didn't have lunch.

K: Stu, I didn't call you to debate that column. I hope you have a replacement for me in mind if you do it again.

A: I might try a whack at it myself.

K: It gives an insight to the psychological aspects of government.

A: Well, I had a feeling you didn't like that piece but a writer has to think of his friends.

K: Well, I didn't call you to complain about it.

Re: phone tree from a 9-1-8 call

By: KHLW NASA Date: 5/13/04

TELCN

Mr. Kissinger/Ivan Head
1:30 p.m. 3/18/72

IH: The reason I called is to say that a proposed program for the presidential visit was handed over by (or to--inaudible) our Embassy to the State Department at 12:00 noon. One aspect which may be of interest to you is something that is inappropriate to say over the telephone. I thought it was not the kind of thing I would pass through our embassies and not yours. So I called to inquire of you how I would get a letter to you--I have a member of my staff coming to Washington next week.

HAK: I will not be here next week. Tell him to give it to my deputy, General Haig.

IH: Her name is Forsey

HAK: I am sorry I will not be here.

IH: She does a lot of research for me--very good. Well, if that can be arranged, I will be grateful--and I should send to Gen. Haig?

HAK: Yes. Just tell her to identify herself--Gen Haig is here in the White House in my office.

IH: I can have her come on Wednesday. The letter should be addressed to you in General Haig's care?

HAK: Right.

IH: You can let me know what your comments are.

HAK: Yes, I will do that the following week.