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Secretary Rush/HAK

July 12, 1973; 8:50 a.m.

K: Mr. Secretary.

R: Henry, I'm calling you on not too big a matter, but I had
lunch the other day with Rabasa, the Mexican Foreign Minister.

K: Rabasa, yes. He wants to see the President.

R: He wants to see the President. I was going to send you a note.

K: I'll take care of it.

R: I didn't send it. He got back before I got it off. I wanted you
to know about it.

K: Well, of course, you're travelling under false pretenses.
Rabasa came in saying he was going to get an appointment
with the President. I said, how are you gonna do that. He
said through the Acting Secretary is getting it for me.

R: Well, thank him very much. I didn't know I had that much
influence. I appreciate it very much.

K: The President doesn't see foreign ministers, as you know.

R: I know it.

K: But I think what we'll have to do is get him in here and I'll
just walk him down the hall and walk him into the office.

R: Well, Henry, he wouldn't tell me...he said he had a message
from his President, and he also wants to talk about non-alligned
nations and he said that...

K: He just wants his picture taken.

R: I think he wants his picture taken. And I said, well, the
President doesn't see foreign ministers, and I will be glad to...

K: No, well, it's hard to maintain since he's seeing Scheel today.

R: I know it. Well, I wanted you to know about it, and I will leave
it to your decision.

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K: Well, I'll try to get him in here. I think I'll just have to sneak him in.

R: Well, that's probably true, Henry. I'm not urging it at all. I just want to pass along the message.

K: Ken, you got away yesterday before I had a chance to talk to you. There is a foreign service officer whom I do not know by the name of Blake, whom I understand is being...

R: I know him.

K: ...recommended for the Policy Planning staff, and whom somebody that I respect recommended to me. Now, I don't know him myself. But could you let me know something that you are planning with him, just so that I can give an answer.

R: All right. He was the DCM for Sarge Shriver.

K: Oh, no, no. That's not that Blake. No that Blake I know.

R: I see.

K: That Blake is now Ambassador somewhere.

R: Yeah, and he's looking for a job.

K: Oh, no, this is another Blake. He was economic officer in Berne, Switzerland. And he is being considered for the Policy Planning staff. There is no reason why he should have come to your attention.

R: No, I didn't know a thing about it.

K: And I can't really push him because I don't know him. I've just heard good things about him.

R: Let me see what I can find out about him.

K: Right.

R: And I'll send you a note.

K: Okay, good. Thanks. Bye.

R: Bye.

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Rowland Evans/HAK

July 12, 1973; 9:20 a.m.

K: ...Sullivan.

E: That Martin and Sullivan, uh... now what's the difference?

K: There is no difference except that they wanted somebody's head.

E: Who is the... I'm not quoting you on any of this. Who is the major protagonist here?

K: Fulbright.

E: When did you last talk to him about it? Did he tell you he was gonna beat this guy?

K: Yes, but you can't mention that.

E: No. What did he say?

K: He said... I called him up, oh, I forget, a few weeks ago, and he said that he was going to get all these people who were affiliated with that policy. I said, first of all, Senator, the policy succeeded. Secondly, what is more important, what is it that you have against all these people? Were they activists. I mean, can you say... did they promote the policy or were they people who were carrying out governmental orders? They were doing it enthusiastically, he said. I said do you want these ambassadors in a position where they second-guess everything for fear of what they will face five years from now. And then I talked to other people on the Committee. I talked to Javits and...

E: Did you get anywhere with anybody? Who then turned and voted against you? Yesterday? Do you think you lost any votes yesterday?

K: No.

E: So you knew he was gonna go down.

K: No. I think I got Mansfield to abstain.

E: Yeah. He could not have turned it down, because he was...

K: But I did not systematically canvass the members. I did not appeal to them one by one.

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E: Did anybody in the State Department?

K: Oh, yes. I think we all made a major effort. I got Harriman involved.

E: What did he do?

K: Well, he called about Sullivan.

E: Well, that's helpful isn't it. He wouldn't do it for Mac though, or did you ask him? He might not know him anyway.

K: He didn't know know him. You see, I don't know Mac all that well. All I know is that Mac Godley was...that no policy decision of ours was influenced...I mean the basic direction of the policy was not made by Godley.

E: Can I quote you on that? Just that?

K: Yes.

E: Indirectly.

K: You can say that high officials say that...

E: No, I mean Henry Kissinger.

K: Well, what would you say?

E: Just that. That you told Senators that no decision made by Godley had any basic bearing on US policy, which was set at the White House by Nixon and Kissinger, and Rogers and Laird.

K: No, you can't say Nixon and Kissinger. ...which was set in Washington by the President and his senior officials.

E: Did anybody else outside like Averell...did you go to anybody like that on Godley?

K: No because I made the mistake of thinking that if one of them made it they would all make it.

E: Uh, huh.

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K: In fact, let me tell you this. I tried to get Graham Martin broken out of the package. You can't use that.

E: Well that's been published.

K: No, no, and I did get him broken out. I then talked to Javits whether we should do them one by one. Javits said I want to give you the advice of keeping them together and there'll be a lot of mumbling in the committee but finally you will get them all. So therefore I figured if I pushed Sullivan whom I knew best that this would pull in Godley. This may have been a tactical mistake.

E: Yeah.

K: You see what I mean?

E: Yes, of course I do. But of course Martin had already been broken out.

K: That's right. Which in that respect may have been a mistake.

E: What about Charlie? Do you think he's going to have trouble?

K: Yes, he's going to have trouble on the same grounds.

E: Oh, god, he's never been a policy maker, for God's sakes.

K: Well, first of all, Rollie, one cannot take the position that the State Department ought to make policy and that secondly they then get penalized for the policy that they may recommend. What the hell do you want an ambassador to do except give you his best judgment?

E: Well, it really is a kind of McCarthyism.

K: I mean it is an outrageous example of McCarthyism. And I had to say we would ask Godley's judgment on the situation in Laos. As for basic direction of our policy, he had nothing to do with it. But it isn't fair either to make him just a clerk.

E: What's gonna happen to him now?

K: Oh, we'll get him a major appointment.

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E: Oh, on this issue he's definitely dead. You can't go to the floor.

K: Well the question is we haven't decided yet whether we're gonna try to get it reconsidered on the floor. We're gonna issue a statement today.

E: Oh, I've got to know about that because I'm writing for Sunday.

K: Well, we're issuing a White House statement.

E: What's it gonna say?

K: It's gonna say that it is a deplorable situation where a senior officer who is charged with...against whom there is no other charge except carrying out faithfully the duties of his job and the policy of the government, is penalized for this.

E: Penalized -- he's beheaded! God, I mean it's an outrage.

K: It's worth than this Service thing, because at least in the case of Service and Davis you could say that they made policy recommendations, and that too was outrageous. But in his case you can't even say that. He was ambassador in Laos. It was our policy to prevent the takeover of Laos by the Communists. Now, from that certain consequences followed.

E: Yeah. That's all the statement's gonna say?

K: I'll send it over to you as soon as we have it.

E: Do you know when you'll have it?

K: Within the next hour.

E: Oh, can you do that? And it's for release immediately?

K: It will be released at Noon.

E: How is the President? How did he react?

K: Well, he's extremely unhappy about this.

E: Was he angry?

K: Yes.

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E: You can't give me an inside there, can you?

K: No, but it really is a worrisome thing about the foreign service. If every foreign service officer now has to worry how he will have to explain carrying out the orders of the government five years from now, you are gonna get the deadest dullest bunch of characters covering their asses all over the place.

E: Uh, huh. Very good point.

K: I mean Mac would come into Washington and say please bomb Laos.

E: Yeah. Who do you think you'll send there now?

K: We haven't faced that.

E: I mean who you'd put in the Southeast Asia job.

K: I don't know. I'm leaning towards Whitehouse. But he doesn't want to I don't think?

E: Jesus, that would be sensational. Would he get confirmed?

K: I don't know, but I'm leaning towards him.

E: Can I write that? Just say that there is a little White House pressure building up. That there's a possibility in favor of him?

K: Yeah, but you know, I haven't discussed it with Rogers yet.

E: I won't mention you. I'll just say White House.

K: Yeah, but you see, I don't want to make it look as if there's an equally good man available. That's one problem.

E: Yeah, I'll make that point. He's coming back on Friday, you know.

K: Yeah, I want to talk to him.

E: Well, I think it's an outrage. I think there's a lot of emotion here. I think it indicates...

K: Yeah, but why penalize the goddam executors of our policy?

E: Well, emotion isn't logical, you know that. These people have had a hard on about Vietnam and Southeast Asia.

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K: Yeah, but we succeeded.

E: Yeah, but maybe that's why its tougher for him. Because you did, you see, and they just don't want to admit anything. But I think it's a crime. Six o'clock tonight?

K: Yes. 6:30.

E: 6:30. And you'll send that over, or do you want me to send the girl over for it?

K: No, I'll send it over.

E: Nothing else there you can think of. Nelson didn't help, or you can't think of anybody else?

K: No, I think Nelson was out of the country.

E: Let me ask this once again. You're pretty sure you won't try to go to the Senate on it? And get a vote on Godley?

K: No, we haven't decided yet. Probably not.

E: Okay, thank you.

K: Right.

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Mr. Kissinger/Robert Bernstein

4:32 p.m. 7/12/73

RB: Sir, how are you?

HK: Okay.

RB: Two things, one--is there anything further that I can do on the
______ after your linch ?

HK: No, I have mentioned all the concerns.

RB: And there is nothing further to do

HK: No.

RB: And secondly, starting a week from Monday--the week of the 23rd
--on Monday or Friday the 23rd or 27th, I can come down to Washington
if you would like to chat.

HK: Okay, that would be good.

RB: Would you be in Washington those days?

HK: What day is that again?

RB: I could make it Monday the 23rd or Friday the 27th.
Let's not make it the 27th--it is always so hard getting out of there.
I can make it Monday the 23rd or XMAX any day the week of the 30th.

HK: I can probably do it Monday the 23rd--

RB: What time would be good for you?

HK: So far I--

RB: Do you want to wait till then --I will just be coming down for that so
I can wait--

HK: Why don't you call me towards the end of the week.

RB: Next week I'll be out of town Thursday and Friday--shall I call
you Wednesday.

HK: Call me Wednesday and we will fix a time then.

RB: All right, fine.

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HK: And it isn't all that urgent that you really must take a trip down.
But it would be nice to talk to you but it is not--

RB: I understand--what I will do if I am coming I will plan a whole day
around it--I'll call you--

HK: I prefer the 23rd because the following week I might be going to China

RB: I'd be glad to ride with you and talk on the way--

HK: Particularly the last lap--

RB: What is the last lap?

HK: Into Peking.

RB: Oh yes.

HK: Well call me on Wednesday and we will fix a definite time

RB: Thank you bye, bye.

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Gov. Schaffer/Mr. Kissinger

5:50 p.m., July 12, 1973

K: Hello.

S: Henry.

K: Yes, how are you?

S: I thought you might like to have a call with somebody who didn't have a weighty problem of the world on their mind.

K: I don't know how to deal with that.

S: (laughter) I called to congratulate you on being the honoree of "The Family of Man".

K: Aren't you nice.

S: And I think it's great.

K: Aren't you nice.

S: And we're going to have a delightful dinner. Have you sent in your acceptance yet?

K: I think I have, yes. At least I told my staff to do it but I don't know how long it will take them actually to get the letter out.

S: Well, that's good. The reason, somebody in the organization has leaked it to the press and I have to call the _New York Times_ tomorrow and I just wanted to be sure that everything was in order.

K: Yes.

S: So there probably will be some kind of publicity on the thing.

K: As long as I've got you on the phone, does this require me to make a speech?

S: Well, we'd like to have you make a speech, yes.

K: I mean, a regular one or just a 10-minute acceptance?

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S: You can do anything you wish on it. It's really a nice occasion and it would be a good forum for you to speak on anything you wish. I would say that you ought to say something but that's not important, you do whatever you wish.

K: Well, let me think about it when I get closer to it what, if anything, I have to say at that point.

S: Right. And I'm going to be sending out -- As you know, I'm Chairman of the dinner this year.

K: Well, I was delighted to see it.

S: And I am just delighted that they had the good sense to choose the Number One guy and I'm pleased that you're going to be there with us.

K: Well, I'm honored to do it and I look forward to it very much.

S: That's excellent. And I'm looking forward to seeing you. And talking about a few minor things, you've been . . .

K: Good. It's a long time in the future but can you invite my parents who live in New York to this?

S: Absolutely, absolutely. In fact, I don't know whether Dan Potter included it in his letter to you, anyone that you wish to have invited, please let me know.

K: Good.

S: And we will be very pleased to have anyone you wish.

K: Well, you're very nice.

S: Well, I'm delighted for you.

K: Well, I'm honored and I look forward to it.

S: I think it's going to be great and I'll be in touch with you. I'll probably be calling you often from time to time on details.

K: Good, I'd appreciate it.

S: Very good. Thanks, Henry. We'll talk to you later.

K: Thank you. Bye.

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Dr. Weisner, MIT/HAK

July 13, 1973; 9:45 a.m.

W: Hello, Henry.

K: Jerry. How are you?

W: Pretty good. Listen, I'm still puzzling about what to do about the Sakhoff kids. I think I told you after Sakhoff wrote to me saying that the kids were in trouble that his son-in-law had lost his job and his youngest son couldn't get into the University. He had said in his note to me, I think they would get visas if you invited them. I wrote him a private letter saying I would be pleased to offer something like that in our Physics department. You can have your son here as a student. They applied for visas and never received them, but they were I guess never really turned down. And when they made inquiries they were told that my letter was not an official letter or something, and he has been pushing me to try to do something more official. I haven't known quite what to do. I don't want to embarrass the Institute too much in this process, obviously, or expose it too much. And when I talked to you, you and I talked about the possibility of my going to talk to Dobrynin. I didn't do it because I figures there was just enough pressure on Dobrynin because of Brezhnev's visit and all the Jewish issues and so on that he might be testy about it. But I'm kind of at a loss about how to move on the thing and I would like to help Sakhov, and so I'm thinking once again of going to Dobrynin and I wondered what you think - whether you think it makes any sense or whether it's a waste of time, and second whether there are any other things we could do.

K: Why don't you call on him. I think that's the best thing you can do.

W: And just tell them honestly what's going on.

K: Yeah. I would do that.

W: I'll just tell them clearly what people have asked me to help and I would be pleased to, but I don't know how to do it.

K: That's right.

W: Okay.

K: I would do that. Let me know when you are down here.

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Cy Sulzberger/HAK

July 13, 1973; 10:15 a.m.

K: Hello.

S: Hello, Henry.

K: How are you?

S: Fine. Thanks a lot. I just sent you a note of thanks yesterday
care of David.

K: For what?

S: Well, everything has worked out.

K: Oh, good. Because I raised it with them.

S: Well, I sort of figured that, and it's come through. But I'm keeping
it a deep secret because they tell me to be ready to come after
September 20th.

K: Good. Well I just wanted to call you to tell you that I had raised it.

S: I wrote to you to thank you but to be sure I didn't miss you, according
to the newspapers here you were going to be going soon yourself.

K: Yes, but not until August.

S: Oh, so I wrote you anyway. You'll get a letter which I sent care of
David yesterday through Jack Irwin.

K: Oh, good.

S: And I wanted to thank you for everything. As I say, I'm keeping it
a big secret because I don't want to get screwed by my own newspaper
again.

K: Right. Okay. Well I'm delighted it has all worked out. Are you
taking your wife?

S: I'm most grateful and I hope to have a chance to express it in person
when next I see you.

K: That would be marvelous.

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S: Thank you. How is the President?

K: He's fine.

S: Well the newspapers say he's got pneumonia and is in the hospital.

K: Well, he has pneumonia and he's fine, given the circumstances.
It's controlled. He's got a temperature of about 102.

S: Well, that's quite a lot.

K: Yeah, and he's got one lung affected, but they think in a week --
it will take about a week to 10 days.

S: So you're not worried about it.

K: No, that's why I meant fine.

S: Well, thank you. You're very kind to call me like this, Henry,
and as I say I even anticipated it because, as I say, my letter
went off too soon. But I didn't want to miss you in Washington.

K: Okay. See you soon, I hope.

S: Right. Bye, bye.

K: Bye.

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Prof. Stanley Hoffmann/HAK

July 13, 1973; 10:23 a.m.

K: Hello.

H: How are you?

K: Stanley, how are you.

H: Thank you for your note.

K: Well, I was very moved by your coming.

H: It was very nice to see you.

K: Tell me, Stanley. Is Richard Popkins chairman of the search committee for my place?

H: No. I don't even... who is Richard Popkins?

K: I don't know. I got a rather insolent letter from somebody.

H: Oh, really. I am chairman.

K: Signed Richard Popkins.

H: I have no idea who that is. You remember we have one fellow...

K: Yeah, I knew we had a fellow called Popkin.

H: We have some Popkin who has left for Texas, where he would be teaching. No I am chairman.

K: You know, it's an extremely offensive letter.

H: Oh, God, do you know where it comes from?

K: Oh, yeah, I have the address.

H: Oh, certainly not from Harvard?

K: No, no, it came from La Jolla, but that wouldn't mean that... you know, I thought he might be there for the summer.

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H: No, he's left for Texas. He's the last person in the world who'd ever be insolent with anyone. He's a rather sweet guy.

K: I know him. No, he'd been in Vietnam. I had talked to him.

H: Yes, he's quite sweet.

K: And he had written a rather interesting essay, about '69, on the basis of which I saw him.

H: Yeah, he's a nice guy. He's just left - last week, actually, with his wife who is very bright also. She's a ______ expert.

K: Oh, yes.

H: No, I'm chairman of that committee, and the other members are...

K: Well, the theme of it is a lot of insolent things which are irrelevant, about my constant lying, and how Halperin must be appointed to my chair so that they can play the tapes, and so on. Now, I have no objection to Halperin being appointed to my chair. In fact, I don't want to intervene in these discussions at all. I have nothing against Halperin.

H: I think I told you a little earlier, we had selected Ernst Haas. Now he has resigned.

K: Look, I have absolutely...if Halperin were appointed I would not consider it offensive to me.

H: Yeah, well, you know, we haven't moved beyond Haas because some of the members of that committee will be on leave next year and will have to be replaced. The new chairman, Nunfein, has not yet decided other things, so it will start again in the fall, and there are 8 or 9 people being talked about.

K: Look, I won't even raise the shadow of confusion here. I have absolutely nothing against Halperin, and when he regains his sanity he will recognize that I helped him rather than hate him.

H: Yeah.

K: But, that's neither here nor there. Halperin is certainly one of those that ought to be considered. I'm only quoting it. That letter phrased it in a particularly offensive way.

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H: Even I get nut mail from time to time, and I can well imagine what you've been getting.

K: Well, it's usually unsigned, and this one...

H: Yes, sometimes it is signed, and very often it comes from Southern California.

K: No, and he called himself chairman of the search committee.

H: [SIGNATURED]

K: And since I knew there was a Popkin.

H: Yeah. You know ______ was a junior faculty member.

K: Well, that's what I seem to remember, but I didn't know to what point this control of the junior faculty had gone.

H: Not in our department. Not in the least, actually. There is nothing

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K: Well, you should remember I would not consider Halperin's appointment offensive.

H: Yeah.

K: And I don't know who the alternatives are. I'm neither for them nor against them. It should be done on its merit.

H: Yeah, we've been very strongly pressured for Signius, I know, because there are at least two members of the department who think he's the greatest thing since Moses, and I don't know who it will be, but...

K: I think he's nothing.

H: I agree with you. I've been saying so. But I think it will drag on for another year.

K: (laughs) Okay.

H: In the meantime you may want to come back.

K: I was just gonna say. Well, Stanley, let me know when you come down.

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General Haig/HAK

July 13, 1973; 10:30 a.m.

K: Hello.

H: Henry?

K: Yes, Al.

H: Two things, Henry.

K: How is the President?

H: Not too good.

K: Oh, really?

H: Yeah. Very tough night. He's got a high fever.

K: Of course, he shouldn't have forced himself all day yesterday.

H: No, that's right. He's had a hell of a time unwinding. They've got to help him breath. So, one thing he asked, and I'd better sort of run this by you and see what you think. At some point, maybe today or tomorrow he wanted to send some messages to key people, European leaders and maybe even the last visitor, advising them that he would go, you know, that he wasn't feeling well but he's recuperating.

K: I wouldn't do that. That makes it really look like there's something more wrong.

H: Yeah. Well, that's what I thought. That's why I raised it with you.

K: I think it's a mistake. They will be sending him get well messages and he should reply to those.

H: That's what I think. Okay. Then at the moment we've got a common view on that, because he'll probably hit you with that when you see him.

K: Yeah. Am I seeing him?

H: Not today. I don't think anybody will see him today.

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K: No, no, that's fine.

H: In fact, I would think probably...

K: No, I just wondered whether there was an appointment set. I'm not asking to see him.

H: No, he wants to see you. He told me last night coming out that the only people he wanted to see while he was here was me every morning at 10 with the paper crap and you. And, of course, Ron will go in with me so he gets the flavor for the briefing.

K: Oh, and that's right, and I think he can see staff members without... for brief periods.

H: Yeah, but only you. He doesn't want to see Mel or Bryce or Ash, or anybody else.

K: I think he should get well now. But I think also he should stay for this period we discussed this morning.

H: Yes, exactly. Well, only you understood the problem. I don't understand what these...

K: That will solve the problem they all raised.

H: Exactly right. Then the other thing is, is there anything that you want me to tell him today. I'll go see him in about 5 minutes for a very brief period. He will ask if you have anything.

now

K: Sihanouk has announced that he is going on a trip for three weeks and he won't be in Peking when I am there, but since my trip hasn't been announced that doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

H: Yeah.

K: And he says that all we are doing is gearing it to the August 15 deadline. That's just killing us. You know we had the meeting set, and, you know, this is not a case where you can argue. It's a case where something that's been agreed to is coming apart.

H: Yeah. I wonder if there's some way we could get some support from the Foreign Relations Committee and somebody else to do some things, to say some things that would be supportive to this thing.

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K: Well, I think, let's wait another week until we get an answer from the Chinese.

H: Yeah. Okay.

K: And he knows that the Argentine President has resigned.

H: Yes.

K: But otherwise things are quiet.

H: Okay. And that puts Peron in automatically, doesn't it?

K: No. It means I think that there Congress has to vote within 40 days, but it will in fact put Peron in.

H: Yeah. Okay. All right, Henry, I appreciate your help this morning.

K: Oh, I didn't even know I was helping you. It's just that you and I tend to think alike.

H: Yeah, well Mel was good too today.

K: Incidentally, I gave Mel hell at breakfast. I told him to stop the maneuvering, that the only thing we can do now is to govern and to do the right thing and to do what needs to be done, and not to create the impression of conflict, and he swore that he talked to Evans about the alleged conflict with you. Well, basically, he isn't a bad guy, he's just a perennial trickster. And I think that once we calm him down he'll be all right.

H: I do too, Okay, good, Henry.

K: I'll see you tonight.

H: Right. Okay.

Telcon
Foreign Minister Rabasa/HAK

July 13, 1973; 10:35 a.m.

K: Hello.

R: Henry, good morning.

K: Emilio, I was going to call you this morning. I had the agreement in principle to a meeting with you, but now he is in the hospital.

R: Absolutely. I understand it.

K: But he will definitely see you next time you come here.

R: Fine, Henry. I'm sorry he's ill. That's why I'm calling. But I hope it's just a mild thing, that he overcomes it quickly and safely.

K: Well, he still has a high fever, but I am told by the doctors. I just talked to them, that it will take 7 to 10 days. But he will be... unless there are totally unexpected complications, he will be all right.

R: Oh, I understand perfectly, and I just called to say goodbye. Thank you for everything, and to wish the President recovers very quickly and very safely.

K: I will see you on the 23rd.

R: We will be expecting you.

K: Can I bring a Spanish interpreter?

R: Of course. Bring anyone you want.

K: I'm kidding. You have to interpret for me. talked on the television

R: Or Barbara. We can talk on the other day. She's very nice woman.

K: She's a sweet lady.

R: My wife just wants to say hello.

K: Oh, great.

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Mrs. Rabasa: Hello, Henry. How are you?

K: Okay. How are you? How nice to hear from you.

Mrs. Rabasa: Very nice to hear you. Are you coming to Mexico with us?

K: Not today, but I'm coming for your anniversary.

Mrs. Rabasa: Well, thank you, Henry.

K: I would love to come today. I adore Mexico, as you know.

Mrs. R: Well go ahead off with us now and come again for our anniversary.

K: Well, if I come with you now I'll never return here. I'll take out citizenship.

Mrs. R: It's very nice to hear from you.

K: Nice to talk to you, and I'll see you at your anniversary.

Mrs. R: All right. We'll expect you.

K: Good.

Mrs. R: Goodbye. Take good care of yourself.

K: Thank you. goodbye.

DECLASSIFIED
Authority E0 12958
By C0 NARA Date 6-8-04