ACPI

December 23, 1986

Dr. Henry Kissinger
1800 K Street NW
Suite 400
Washington, D.C. 20006

Dear Dr. Kissinger,

DEC 30 1986

Enclosed please find copies of the story boards for the January/ February issue of Private Clubs magazine. This issue will feature your discourse at the Banker's Club in Cincinnati on September 30, 1986 and the interview you granted us following your lecture. We were pleased enough with the story and your portrait shot to make this interview our cover feature.

It is also with great pleasure that I present to you on behalf of Robert Dedman, Chairman of the Board of CCA Financial and Dieter R. Klostermann, Chairman of Club Corporation of Asia, Inc., an honorary membership in the International Associate Clubs of Asia. In our meeting you had mentioned your frequent travels to this area; we hope you accept this membership as a token of our esteem and enjoy your privileges in the Asian clubs. The January/February issue of Private Clubs includes a guide to these and all Associate Clubs for your reference.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Culzean Castle stands in magnificent gardens on a cliff overlooking the lower Firth of Clyde in Scotland. Travel itinerary on page 24.

FEATURES

<table><tr><td>PEAK PERFORMANCE</td><td>Donna de Varona makes even the uphill climbs look easy. By Kathy LaTour</td><td>14</td></tr><tr><td>PRIVATE CLUBS TRAVEL</td><td>An introduction to special members-only trips.</td><td>19</td></tr><tr><td>GOLFING THE COURSES OF THE BRITISH OPEN</td><td>Where the sport began. By Iain Crawford and Elizabeth Drake</td><td>20</td></tr><tr><td>GIRAFFE MANOR</td><td>In Kenya she adopted a baby giraffe, then an entire endangered species. By Betty Leslie-Melville</td><td>26</td></tr><tr><td>AFRICAN SAFARI</td><td>The unforgettable sights and sounds of East Africa. By Sheila Cole Nilva</td><td>32</td></tr><tr><td>INTERVIEW WITH HENRY KISSINGER</td><td>When this man talks, everyone listens. By Scott Bennett</td><td>34</td></tr><tr><td>FEAR OF FORGETTING</td><td>With relaxation and concentration, you can improve your memory at any age. By Jeanne Toal</td><td>40</td></tr><tr><td>DOWN-HOME GOES UPTOWN</td><td>Old-time desserts are making a comeback. By Regina Schrambling, © 1987</td><td>46</td></tr><tr><td>RUNNING AWAY FROM A COLD</td><td>Want to prevent those winter ailments? Exercise! By Thomas H. Wells, M.D.</td><td>52</td></tr><tr><td>FUN IN THE SUNBELT</td><td>Expect a warming trend at the Associate Clubs of the Southeast. By Pamela Watson</td><td>56</td></tr></table>

DEPARTMENTS

<table><tr><td>LETTERS</td><td>Members speak out.</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>SPECIAL OCCASIONS</td><td>Earn a million 10¢ at a time. Do you know the Muffin men? By Charlene Brown</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>PEERS</td><td>Members golf. Members dine. Members dance with coconuts.</td><td>8</td></tr><tr><td>MIND YOUR BUSINESS</td><td>Jim Middleton, president of ARCO Oil & Gas Company, discusses his industry.</td><td>10</td></tr><tr><td>EXCURSIONS</td><td>Charter a Concorde or buy a loaf of bread. By William Tomicki</td><td>12</td></tr><tr><td>CLUB PROFILE</td><td>At Hackberry Creek numbers 2 and 18 rarely add up to 9.</td><td>70</td></tr><tr><td>ASSOCIATE CLUBS GUIDE</td><td>Traveling? Include the clubs for business or pleasure.</td><td>72</td></tr><tr><td>MATCH POINT</td><td>A New Year's resolution: instant improvement. By Dunker Thomas</td><td>80</td></tr></table>

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Although he's no longer in office,
the views and opinions of this
peripatetic diplomat once called
the "second most powerful man in
He has been called "an extravaganza," "compassionate hawk," "vigilant
the world" are probably the most
dove," "Dr. Strangelove," "reluctant wiretapper," and "secretary of the world,"
eagerly sought of all former of-
among other monikers. The man who evolved from German refugee to
ficials of any administration.
delivery boy to Harvard professor to national security advisor to secretary of
state has always been controversial. And he has always loved power, which he
once labeled "the ultimate aphrodisiac." It has been a decade since
Dr. Kissinger relinquished the power he had held for eight years under
Presidents Nixon and Ford. As national security advisor and then secretary of
state, Dr. Kissinger presided over landmark events in American history: the
slow but ultimate termination of the Vietnam War, for which he won the Nobel
Prize for Peace; the open-
AN INTERVIEW WITH ing of the China Door; and,

HENRY KISSINGER

By Scott Bennett

34 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1987

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with President Nixon, the structuring
of détente with the Soviet Union.

The China gambit was to prove
popular with all but the far right.
However, the Nixon-Kissinger con-
duct of the Vietnam War, especially
the bombing of Cambodia, was to find
bitter detractors on the left, while the
ultimate fall of the Saigon regime was
to bring bitter recriminations from the
right. Even his Nobel Prize for Peace
was criticized by some. Détente would
also become a policy of controversy as
many people would condemn the pol-
icy as soft on the Russians.

The passage of time has assuaged
many wounds: Even Richard Nixon
has been resurrected from his post-
Watergate burial. But the policies and
views of Dr. Kissinger have remained
controversial. So, indeed, has the man
himself. But although seemingly des-
tined never to hold the commanding
power he once held, his views still are
sought by networks seeking commen-
tary and analysis for their morning
news shows, by President Reagan
and a host of would-be presidents, by
many U.S. and foreign multinational
corporations and banks that have him
on retainer, and by audiences of
Americans from coast to coast.

In September in Cincinnati the
Bankers Club provided Dr. Kissinger
the kind of audience he most enjoys:
relatively small, informed, and prob-
ing. He had been brought to town by
the Junior Advisory Council of the
Bankers Club for its Distinguished
Lecturers Series. If any suspect the
owlish man with the Teutonic accent
has lost any of his appeal since vacat-
ing his seats of power, they are
wrong. Dr. Kissinger is magnetic. His
seductive charm remains intact. And

so does the ego that he long ago
learned to turn to his advantage
through self-effacing humor.

Peering over his thick horn-
rimmed glasses, Dr. Kissinger noted
that the next speaker scheduled to
appear before the Bankers Club au-
dience was to be General Alexander
Haig, his one-time deputy and former
secretary of state. "I note that General
Haig is to be your next speaker," he
said. "How delightful that you are
seeking all views from A to B." Later
he said that he understood there were
those in the country who, "have a
lower opinion of my views than, say,
my mother."

On the occasion of his Cincinnati
visit, Dr. Kissinger was pondering the
just-announced "swap" of American
journalist Nicholas Daniloff for con-
victed Soviet spy Gennady Zakharov,
and the announcement that President
Reagan had agreed to meet with So-
viet First Secretary Mikhail Gor-
bachev in Iceland.

In the second term of the "Great
Communicator," Dr. Kissinger had be-
come something of a hard-liner on
Soviet-American relations, often crit-
icizing the president and his men,

many former Kissinger understudies,
for taking a line too soft for the na-
tional good. Regarding the Daniloff
case, the father of détente suggested
that the United States simply should
have refused to negotiate with the So-
viets on any matter, anywhere, until
the journalist was set free. He said
that the stakes were too high for the
Soviets to fail to reach an agreement
and that steadfastness and patience
should have been the watchwords.

The Iceland summit provided per-
haps the most interesting comments
of the evening. Dr. Kissinger sug-
gested that even a president noted for
grasp of detail would be hard pressed
to prepare himself for a summit in a
period of 10 days, and that a president
not known for his grasp of the finer
points could be at a considerable dis-
advantage against the adroit Mr. Gor-
bachev. Dr. Kissinger expressed fears
that in its desire for a nuclear arms
agreement, the Reagan administra-
tion might well give away too much. If
not for the impasse over the Strategic
Defense Initiative (Star Wars), per-
haps Dr. Kissinger's fears would have
been prophetic.

For 1½ hours at the Bankers Club,
Dr. Kissinger expressed in detail his
theories for dealing with the Soviet
Union. He reiterated his strong belief
in the Linkage Doctrine, which main-
tains that if the Soviets seek accom-
modation with the West on some topic
such as arms control, they may be
given what they want only if it is tied
to overall improved internal and
external behavior. He believes the
Soviets are a nation increasingly
cognizant of their third-world eco-
nomic status, and generally under-
standing that continued military ex-

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pansion would impede if not exclude economic progress. Believing the Soviets to be desperate for a breather, Dr. Kissinger considers progress possible on several fronts of superpower relations if the West maintains a firm resolve.

Whether his stance is hard or soft, the magic that made Kissinger a superstar remains. His world view, his ability to create the grand design where others can only paint by number or specialize in some small scale, clearly is a source of continued influence. In his interview with Private Clubs magazine, Dr. Kissinger discussed some of those world issues.

**Private Clubs:** At the recent meeting of the Atlantic Treaty Association (ATA), the civilian support arm of NATO, there was great fear voiced about the movement of the Socialist governments of Europe toward positions that could either weaken NATO to the point of being ineffectual, or end it altogether. Do you believe these fears are well founded, or do you believe NATO can survive changes in government in the U.K. and Germany to Socialist parties?

**Dr. Kissinger:** First, there is certainly no reason to believe a change in government in West Germany is at hand. The Christian Democrat party of Chancellor Kohl will likely win the next election that is, by the way, several months away. Their position is even stronger if the SDP, or the Socialist party, continues to take positions that would threaten the Atlantic Alliance.

The situation is admittedly different in the U.K., where the Conservative Party and Mrs. Thatcher appear in substantial trouble. Cer-

tainly the Labour Party there has taken stands that are troubling, such as a call for the withdrawal of all U.S. nuclear weapons from British soil. However, the final verdict there is far from in.

Still, you are correct that if either or both these nations should withdraw from NATO, or even if they should follow through on the actions of limiting their participation in NATO, the alliance could well be threatened.

**Private Clubs:** There is talk that there should be a reduction of U.S. troops in Europe, and a change in the command structure of NATO that would allow for an American secretary-general, and a European field commander, possibly a Frenchman if the French would choose to reenter the unified military command structure. Today, of course, it is just the reverse. How do you feel about various possible structural changes in the NATO command, and do you feel these could have the potential of prolonging the life of the organization?

**Dr. Kissinger:** It is not natural for the United States to maintain over 300,000 troops on the continent of Eu-

rope, and we cannot and will not do so forever. There is a growing sentiment in this country for a reduction in the expensive troop levels we now have there. I might add that current troop levels are much higher today than they were before the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Nothing says we have to have so many men in Europe to defend Europe.

I would like to see a change in the command structure along the lines you mention. The current NATO secretary-general, Lord Carrington, is a dear friend and an outstanding statesman. But when his term expires, an opportunity might exist to make some changes. I must say that in any military command structure where the commander was not an American, you would still have to have an American commander in charge of the nuclear capacity. It wouldn't do at all to have a European with his finger on the nuclear trigger. However, it should not be too much trouble to set something up where an American commanded the atomic force and a European the conventional.

As to the idea of the French rejoining the unified command if given the commander position: It is an idea worth discussing. The Germans would certainly understand that a German could not take the supreme commander's job. The British might have some problem, so it might have to be rotated between the U.K. and France and Italy. But the sharing arrangement would seem something that could be worked out.

The great advantage of having France reenter the unified command

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THE DISTINGUISHED LECTURERS

In 1985 the Junior Army Court client the Bankers Club in Cincinnati decided to revive the distinguished luncheon which was held in the form of the club from 1927. Eight corporate sponsors, Joplin, and tickets were offered at $250 for the three lecturers and donors.

Henry Kissinger was the first speaker of the 1986-1987 series. On Thursday, February 26, members will meet General Alexander B. Tricia, former Chairman of the Board of Trade, and Walter Scholz, the former President of Dow Jones Industrial Average.

Although the limited tickets for the 1986-1987 series are sold out, an announcement will be made in May of the 1987-1988 season. For more information call the Bankers Club in (513) 651-3650.

Members of the Junior Army Council Patricia Williams Niehah, chairperson Mary W. Sullivan, vice chairperson Robin S. Holliday, Terence L. Horan, Bruce A. Knone, Robert A. Murdock, William G. Nelson, J. Scott Robertson, Jeffrey L. Vorholt, Todd Washburn, Thomas J. Westerfield.

Corporate sponsors: CHEMED Corporation, Cincinnati Bell Information Systems, Inc., COMAIR, Community Mutual Blue Cross & Blue Shield, Evans Financial Group, the Fifth Third Bank, Schwartz, Manes & Ruby Company, LIRA, and the Union Central Life Insurance Company.

would be that with the addition of French forces to NATO the disparity between NATO and the Warsaw Pact in terms of conventional forces becomes far less, even after the U.S. presence is reduced. The addition of France would also supply greater defensive depth, and that is a matter of some importance. It is, of course, even possible that if NATO should be more European, that other nations such as Spain would see the benefit in joining the unified command, thereby providing even greater depth. Overall you would see, I believe, a greater European participation in the defense of Europe, and a greater commitment by Americans to their own reduced role in Europe.

**Private Clubs:** Would a redeployment of U.S. forces elsewhere make sense?

**Dr. Kissinger:** Yes, I think so. We have interests in many parts of the world: Central and Latin America, the Mideast, the Pacific. And the stationing of so many battle-ready troops in Europe reduces our flexibility. We are, of course, the only Western power with an ability to truly respond on a worldwide basis, but our ability to do so is definitely impaired by being tied so totally to Europe.

**Private Clubs:** In the Mideast, do you see the potential for an Iranian breakthrough anytime soon? And, if so, what do you believe the consequences would be?

**Dr. Kissinger:** The consequence, should such an event occur, would be bad. The worst case scenario of a jihad spreading throughout the region might not come to pass, but I suspect fearful Mideastern governments would be very mindful of Ira-

nian views on a wide variety of policy matters. Certainly, if recent history is to be our guide, there is little in current Iranian politics that is to the benefit of the West.

There is certainly the possibility of an Iranian breakthrough, and if it comes it will likely occur within the next few months of the dry season. Depressed oil prices and Iraqi success in interdicting Iranian oil shipments is certainly putting the pressure on the leadership of Iran to act to

draw the war to some conclusion favorable to them. Since they seem unwilling to negotiate any settlement, it would appear a settlement is more likely on the battlefield.

**Private Clubs:** Are you concerned about the growing Soviet rapprochement with China?

**Dr. Kissinger:** Not really. The Chinese are no more going to become a military ally of the Soviet Union than they are of the United States. The goal of the Chinese is to modernize both their economy and their armed forces. The West in general and the U.S. in particular offer far more assistance than the Soviets. Further, there is no natural area of conflict between the United States and Chinese. However, the Chinese have a 3,000-mile border with the Soviet Union; that border is heavily defended by both sides because of centuries-old enmity between the two peoples. You cannot simply dismiss this overnight.

What you do see is a China building its economy at a rapid pace and working to modernize at a considerable pace. Today the Chinese are even more economically disadvantaged than are the Russians. As that begins to change, and it will if current trends continue, the Soviets are likely to grow even more apprehensive of the Chinese. If the Chinese continue to develop commercial links with the West, the Soviets will grow even more paranoid. Where they respond by reforming their own economy and entering the area of world economic competition or whether they fall back on their first-rate military power will be a critical question for the entire world but an especially critical question for their neighbors the Chinese.

38 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1987

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

FEATURES

DEPARTMENTS

LETTER FROM THE PUBLISHER

Dear Member,

January is the start of a new club year and a
new *Private Clubs* magazine. We hesitate to say
"new and improved"; that's for you to judge. But we
have tried to make some improvements. First, the
design: We want this magazine to reflect the style
and comfort of your club. Next, the contents: The
magazine will focus even more on you and your
club lifestyle.

In addition to familiar features, such as mem-
ber profiles, golf, tennis, cuisine, and club events,
*Private Clubs* is premiering some new features
and departments. "Mind Your Business" is a candid
forum for members recognized as industry leaders.
"Match Point" serves up tips from club tennis pros
on improving your game. "Private Clubs Travel"
provides adventurous commentary and members-
only itineraries.

In its first year *Private Clubs* was produced
by a partner. Starting this month the magazine is
being created within the Associate Clubs organiza-
tion. We want to hear from you. Your letters to the
editor and your responses on member survey cards
will help create a magazine you can be proud to
receive and read.

2 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1987

He has been called "an extravaganza," "compassionate hawk," "vigilant
the world" are probably the most
dove," "Dr. Strangelove," "reluctant wiretapper," and "secretary of the world,"
eagerly sought of all former of-
among other monikers. The man who evolved from German refugee to
ficials of any administration.
delivery boy to Harvard professor to national security advisor to secretary of
state has always been controversial. And he has always loved power, which he
once labeled "the ultimate aphrodisiac." It has been a decade since
Dr. Kissinger relinquished the power he had held for eight years under
Presidents Nixon and Ford. As national security advisor and then secretary of
state, Dr. Kissinger presided over landmark events in American history: the
slow but ultimate termination of the Vietnam War, for which he won the Nobel
Prize for Peace; the open-
AN INTERVIEW WITHing of the China Door; and,

HENRY KISSINGER

By Scott Bennett

34 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1987

EL AFRICAN SAFARI

By Sheila Cole Nilva

For more information on this
trip and a complete itinerary,
including air fares, please call
Private Clubs Travel at (800)
527-8448. In Texas call (800)
482-8282.

leopard through brush and trees until he settles into a lair for lunch.

We return to Samburu to stalk the bar. I have shot it all — every blazing moment, two rolls of color film — with the lens cap on the camera.

Despite the poaching, our section of Africa still abounds with elephants. None of us tire of the doting mothers, the lumbering babies, or their gruff fathers. Bushbuck peek from behind the drooping palm leaves of the doumpong trees. Elegant and rare reticulated giraffes gallop by. Whole crossword puzzles of Grévy's zebras seek approval. A travel companion introduces us to a color palette of weaver birds, hornbills, and babblers.

Friday: We return to hot desert Africa in the Isiolo, emerging to the lush green of the Mount Kenya Safari Club for two nights. Here, a pristine swimming pool, manicured lawns huddled under Mount Kenya's tallest peak. Hemingway's memory at the bar, Bob Ruark competing years later. Picnic-packed, we leave early, pausing to photograph Nyahururu Falls and visit the Lake Nakuru Bird Sanctuary. Then through the Great Rift Valley to Lake Naivasha. The drive is bumpy but never boring. A lion comes nose-to-nose with our open vehicle, threatens us, turns contemptuously, ambles away down the center of our road.

Masai Mara Game Reserve and Intrepid is our next stop. Intrepid is the re-creation of a 19th century tent safari experience. Huge tents for two, fitted with mahogany antique-style furnishings: four-poster "officers" beds bulbous with mosquito netting, zip flaps for bathroom privacy, brass-fitted dressing mirrors, old-fashioned travelers trunk tables.

Low-lit kerosine lamps flicker through the night; each tent has a private steward to serve you during the day, accompany you at night. We can fish in the Talek or Ololoroki, visit Masai Manyattas (the villages of cow dung houses), have cocktails in a primitive lookout tower high over the camp. From our perch we see animal silhouettes cut out of the white moonlight.

Dawn again: A game drive produces two prides of lions, a gaggle of giraffes, a symphony of hyenas. One of our vehicles has sighted a cheetah; the rest are unlucky. Ravenous, we return to a British banquet buffet breakfast. A second afternoon swing along the Tanzanian border reveals the vastness of the Mara. A shofar-like bellow exposes the clandestine intimacy of two lions mating. We have stopped counting elephants.

Midafternoon: We drive to the banks of the Mara River to see vast nobbles of hippo populace. They spurt little fountains, make love hippo style, duck, disappear, emerge just a laugh away.

Tuesday: A Mara breakfast at 6 a.m., a final game run, producing a cache of giraffes measuring treetops, three herds of elephants, more hyenas, gazelles, and zebras. Gamrielle scoots us back to Giraffe Manor for a farewell dinner. The protected giraffes seem even more precious now. Our parting is sad.

Tuesday: Back to cosmopolitan Nairobi, but now we are wistful for the red dust of the Kenya bush. Here we tour citified African and Indian markets, the Leakey Museum, an unnerving Snake Park, and partake of an enriching finale: the Kenya Cultural Center.

At the Carnevore a dinner served by Masai, from spears, is a perfect ending. We sample roast wild boar, waterbuck, and more, all cooked over a pit barbecue. Reluctantly we pack our duffles and make our last safari, to Kenyatta Airport for the long Swissair trip home.

Friday, midafternoon: We are unfathomably in New York. We are back in the land of cats, dogs, and pigeons instead of aardvarks, antelopes, and elephants. Back in the land producing education, enthusiasm, and prosperity so we can afford the contrast. And we bring out of Africa, to share, the wealth of this unparalleled experience. ■

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In response to a question, Dr. Kissinger states that "Americans have an inability to conceive of the ruthlessness of totalitarianism."

Bill Nelson, Bob Murdoch, and Patti Murdoch discuss Dr. Kissinger's view that while the United States has policy problems, the Soviet Union has structural problems.

The China gambit was to prove popular with all but the far right. However, the Nixon-Kissinger conduct of the Vietnam War, especially the bombing of Cambodia, was to find bitter detractors on the left, while the ultimate fall of the Saigon regime was to bring bitter recriminations from the right. Even his Nobel Prize for Peace was criticized by some. Détente would also become a policy of controversy as many people would condemn the policy as soft on the Russians.

The passage of time has assuaged many wounds: Even Richard Nixon has been resurrected from his post-Watergate burial. But the policies and views of Dr. Kissinger have remained controversial. So, indeed, has the man himself. But although seemingly destined never to hold the commanding power he once held, his views still are sought by networks seeking commentary and analysis for their morning news shows, by President Reagan and a host of would-be presidents, by many U.S. and foreign multinational corporations and banks that have him on retainer, and by audiences of Americans from coast to coast.

In September in Cincinnati the Bankers Club provided Dr. Kissinger the kind of audience he most enjoys: relatively small, informed, and probing. He had been brought to town by the Junior Advisory Council of the Bankers Club for its Distinguished Lecturers Series. If any suspect the owlish man with the Teutonic accent has lost any of his appeal since vacating his seats of power, they are wrong. Dr. Kissinger is magnetic. His seductive charm remains intact. And

Peering over his thick hornrimmed glasses, Dr. Kissinger noted that the next speaker scheduled to appear before the Bankers Club audience was to be General Alexander Haig, his one-time deputy and former secretary of state. "I note that General Haig is to be your next speaker," he said. "How delightful that you are seeking all views from A to B." Later he said that he understood there were those in the country who, "have a lower opinion of my views than, say, my mother."

On the occasion of his Cincinnati visit, Dr. Kissinger was pondering the just-announced "swap" of American journalist Nicholas Daniloff for convicted Soviet spy Gennady Zakharov, and the announcement that President Reagan had agreed to meet with Soviet First Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev in Iceland.

In the second term of the "Great Communicator," Dr. Kissinger had become something of a hard-liner on Soviet-American relations, often criticizing the president and his men,

many former Kissinger understudies, for taking a line too soft for the national good. Regarding the Daniloff case, the father of détente suggested that the United States simply should have refused to negotiate with the Soviets on any matter, anywhere, until the journalist was set free. He said that the stakes were too high for the Soviets to fail to reach an agreement and that steadfastness and patience should have been the watchwords.

The Iceland summit provided perhaps the most interesting comments of the evening. Dr. Kissinger suggested that even a president noted for grasp of detail would be hard pressed to prepare himself for a summit in a period of 10 days, and that a president not known for his grasp of the finer points could be at a considerable disadvantage against the adroit Mr. Gorbachev. Dr. Kissinger expressed fears that in its desire for a nuclear arms agreement, the Reagan administration might well give away too much. If not for the impasse over the Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars), perhaps Dr. Kissinger's fears would have been prophetic.

For 1½ hours at the Bankers Club, Dr. Kissinger expressed in detail his theories for dealing with the Soviet Union. He reiterated his strong belief in the Linkage Doctrine, which maintains that if the Soviets seek accommodation with the West on some topic such as arms control, they may be given what they want only if it is tied to overall improved internal and external behavior. He believes the Soviets are a nation increasingly cognizant of their third-world economic status, and generally understanding that continued military ex-

36 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 1987

pansion would impede if not exclude
economic progress. Believing the So-
viets to be desperate for a breather,
Dr. Kissinger considers progress pos-
sible on several fronts of superpower
relations if the West maintains a
firm resolve.

Whether his stance is hard or soft,
the magic that made Kissinger a su-
perstar remains. His world view, his
ability to create the grand design
where others can only paint by
number or specialize in some small
scale, clearly is a source of continued
influence. In his interview with Pri-
vate Clubs magazine, Dr. Kissinger
discussed some of those world issues.

The situation is admittedly dif-
ferent in the U.K., where the Con-
servative Party and Mrs. Thatcher
appear in substantial trouble. Cer-

Still, you are correct that if either
or both these nations should with-
draw from NATO, or even if they
should follow through on the actions
of limiting their participation in
NATO, the alliance could well be
threatened.

rope, and we cannot and will not do
so forever. There is a growing senti-
ment in this country for a reduction in
the expensive troop levels we now
have there. I might add that current
troop levels are much higher today
than they were before the Soviet inva-
sion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.
Nothing says we have to have
so many men in Europe to de-
fend Europe.

I would like to see a change in the
command structure along the lines
you mention. The current NATO sec-
retary-general, Lord Carrington, is a
dear friend and an outstanding
statesman. But when his term ex-
pires, an opportunity might exist to
make some changes. I must say that
in any military command structure
where the commander was not an
American, you would still have to
have an American commander in
charge of the nuclear capacity. It
wouldn't do at all to have a European
with his finger on the nuclear trigger.
However, it should not be too much
trouble to set something up where an
American commanded the atomic
force and a European the con-
ventional.

On Americans' attitudes on foreign policy, Dr. Kissinger comments, "Americans see everyone as misunderstood Westerners."

Dr. Kissinger tells Clement Buenger that unless we bring about some change in Soviet conduct, we are not accomplishing a foreign policy.

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**Dr. Kissinger:** The consequence, should such an event occur, would be bad. The worst case scenario of a jihad spreading throughout the region might not come to pass, but I suspect fearful Mideastern governments would be very mindful of Iran

What you do see is a China building its economy at a rapid pace and working to modernize at a considerable pace. Today the Chinese are even more economically disadvantaged than are the Russians. As that begins to change, and it will if current trends continue, the Soviets are likely to grow even more apprehensive of the Chinese. If the Chinese continue to develop commercial links with the West, the Soviets will grow even more paranoid. Where they respond by reforming their own economy and entering the area of world economic competition or whether they fall back on their first-rate military power will be a critical question for the entire world but an especially critical question for their neighbors the Chinese. ■

THE DISTINGUISHED LECTURERS

In 1985 the Junior Advisory Council of the Bankers Club in Cincinnati decided to revive the Distinguished Lecturers Series, which had been a feature of the dub from 1974 to 1979. Eight corporate sponsors helped, and tickets were offered at $250 for the three lectures and dinners.

Henry Kissinger was the first speaker of the 1986-1987 series. On Thursday, February 26, members will meet General Alexander M. Haig, Jr., former secretary of state and possible presidential candidate in 1988. On Tuesday, May 12, Vladimir Sakharov, the former Soviet diplomat and now a U.S. citizen, will share his expertise on international terrorism and the Soviet intelligence system.

Although the limited tickets for the 1986-1987 series are sold out, an announcement will be made in May of the prominent guest speakers for the 1987-1988 season. For more information call the Bankers Club at (513) 651-3660.

**Members of the Junior Advisory Council:** Patricia Williams Niehoff, chairperson; Mary W. Sullivan, vice chairperson; Robbin S. Holliday, Terence L. Horan, Bruce A. Krone, Robert A. Murdock, William G. Nelson, J. Scott Robertson, Jeffrey J. Vorholt, Todd Washburn, Thomas J. Westerfield.

**Corporate sponsors:** CHEMED Corporation; Cincinnati Bell Information Systems, Inc.; COMAIR; Community Mutual Blue Cross & Blue Shield; Evans Financial Group; the Fifth Third Bank; Schwartz, Manes & Ruby Company, L.P.A.; and the Union Central Life Insurance Company. ■

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