DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Dato

5/26

TELCONE
R. Ziegler/Kissinger

10:55 a.m.

1/19/72

Z: On the My Lai thing -- the Hersch story. I will have no comment. President
papers classified and I will say nothing but I would like to say My Lai appeared
in 1968 and in judicial process. Say 1968 and not this Administration.

K: I read somewhere that there's another case in our administration.

Z: I didn't see it. Do you know anything about it? Is Chaffee leaving?

K: Running for governor.

Z: Replacement?

K: Not that I know.

Z: Then I will mention '68 xx if they come with pressure and crap.

K: Are they likely to ask you about my leaking stuff to Alsop? I want you to know
that anything Alsop got was/from me, Haig or anyone I know.

Z: I will say it is funny that the people who run an original story complain only
when they haven't got the original story.

K: I just want you to know I didn't know about this directly or indirectly.

Z: OK.

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TELECON

Amb. Rabin

1/19/72 4:40 p.m.

K: You looked tired last night.

R: I wasn't; I was mad about something. Nothing serious.

K: Did it have to do with us?

R: No, it had to do with an exchange of communication back home.
I had a meeting today. First, on the question of planes -- nothing.

K: I will get it settled now.

R: More than that. Our people were in the Pentagon. . . . no
more than we have agreed to what we now know we will get.

K: I will take care of it in the next 24 hours.

R: Second, I presented him with our version. I will explain first the
changes we put in the paper. I presented our version to the paper I
showed to you.

K: Yes, I know.

R: Mainly in the last part. He said in regard to the certain . . . . . .
that we can be assured the U. S. will not propose any of the points contained
in the ______ without prior consultation by the Government of Israel.
We put it . . . .

K: Without the approval.

R: Exactly. Any other points without prior agreement.

K: I agree. Otherwise you will be dead.

R: Second point, they . . . my advice not to bring the . . . . . . .
I put to him . . . which goes this way . . . [Reading] " . . . objecting
to language which would create linkage between interim and permanent
. . . . . . Israel agrees to participate in negotiations . . . any formula
concerning linkage . . . . . . requires prior Israeli agreement. . . . .
that the U. S. will not raise or support any ______ in this regard without
Israel's prior agreement. " This I put to him and said if he will tell me everything
will be fine and satisfactory regarding planes . . . . next Sunday. He said
let's meet again tomorrow. I said, fine, the ball is in your court. He called
after the meeting and said two major problems exist: No sovereign government
can agree that the other side will have a veto over what it will do. He said
what we seek is a veto right on whatever the U. S. government will do.

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TELECON
Amb. Rabin

1/19/72 4:40 p.m. p. 2

K: That's exactly right.

R: ... the second point he said ~~as~~ was "you completely didn't want to commit yourself to anything of substance of relationship of the settlements. ... he said can we work out something.

K: You will see him tomorrow?

R: If he'll ask me. Now it's up to him along with the problem we face, not a linkage but some sort of relation which particularly prevents any move on the planes.

K: I will get some movement this week.

R: I would like by Friday to know where we stand.

K: I will get movement. I promise you. I will act on it... I have to go to a meeting. I will get in touch with Mitchell.

R: I understand and I would like it if you can either tomorrow or the day after try to find time to find out what to do.

K: XXXXX Exactly, I will call you tomorrow.

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TELCOM
Connally/Kissinger

5:08 p.m. 1/19/72

C: I just got a call from the World Bank. Bob McNamara is getting ready to put out a letter of intent that the Bank is prepared to negotiate a loan to the Republic of Taiwan. Bob is leaving for London. Going to India and Pakistan. For two weeks. s When it hits it will raise the question of membership of Republic of Taiwan China in these financial institutions. It doesn't have to be scheduled before going to Peking but I don't know if the letter will cause any problems for you.

K: Aren't you nice. I will call him.

C: He is leaving in 30 mins.

By. NARA, Dalo 5/26

TELECON

Bill Safire

KXXEX 5:25 p. m. 1/19/72

K: I wanted you to be able to write to your mother that you talked to me a lot.
Where are you.

S: Let me call you right back.

S: I was in the steam room and the phone was hot to hold.

K: And when the President calls it's particularly difficult. I think you should put into the speech a sentence thanking the President of France for making these trips possible. I am serious. Don't you think? And I think it adds a little mystery to it anyway. And you don't want to say you took secret trips to another man's country without thanking him.

S: Yes, it adds a little filip.

K: And it also shows his special relationship.

S: He sent for the speech this afternoon. I brought it over. I didn't see him but he sent it back with a couple of tiny things.

K: It's very good.

S: I have a feeling he'll make changes in it between now and Tuesday. Anyway he feels secure about it. He's not worrying about it. A couple of small things and maybe a new ending and he'll go with it.

K: Even the ending isn't bad. I like it now.

S: I'm surprised supposed to show it to Bill tomorrow. But I am not taking him a copy. I am taking over the President's copy, showing it to him and bringing it back.

K: Good, very clever.

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TELCOM

Robt. McNamara/Kissinger

6:00 pm 1/19/72

M: So glad you caught me.

K: John Connally mentioned you are putting out a letter of intent for a loan to the Republic of China.

M: I didn't do it.

K: Won't bother us if it doesn't raise issue.

M: I don't think so but if it does I want to control it so I said wait until I get back. What I want to try to do is stimulate intensive govt. thinking of this issue before a Board meeting. It could happen any moment. We are dispursing ______ a month. The directors are already saying ? ? ? ? ? ? and continuing ? ? ? ? . I said A and B and if so we would throw Taiwan out.

K: I would like to keep as much as I can. If we can get a debate.

M: I am interested not only in your consideration but that it's a responsible decision. I met with Knapp this afternoon and we agreed that if it comes up while I am away he will say I don't want it raised in my absence and won't discuss. It won't be raised before Mar. 1.

K: I got the Sr. Review together for the subcontinuent.

M: I am delighted.

easiest

K: The East is to stick with priorities I gave you. Pakistan/Bangla Desh/India. I am conscious of your thinking.

M: Just so the gap between the first and third isn't great. I had a private dinner last night with Jha. It was my impression that (U. S.?) would like to move toward great power relationship with India and difficult if more existing recognition of Hanoi or events of this kind and a situation where each party needs to take a low profile. I saw something that said the U. S. is sulking. Just makes things more difficult any other ultimate relationship. While I said this was all my own view I have no doubt he would assume it was based on an authoritative source. He spoke to me of his personal position. I told him he is not persona non grata and an able representative of his govt. but he would do himself and his country a disservice if he spoke indiscretely with members of the press. ? ? ? ? ? or not it was contrary to his own interest and his governments'. He does it with grace. He is a fine person.

K: He is. I will get him in, in a couple of weeks. They have approached us in Delhi for a political dialogue. They made it to Keating.

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TELCORN

Amb. David Kennedy/Mr. Kissinger

7:17 p.m., January 19, 1972

K: How are you, Henry?

HAK: Okay.

K: What I wanted to tell you is that I talked to Bill Rogers.

HAK: I can't face it. About what?

K: That's all right.

HAK: He won't ever give up. Where are you now?

K: I am at home but I am just going out to dinner. He and Jack Irwin have no problem as far as Schaetzel is concerned if word comes from the President or over there.

HAK: What do you mean?

K: For his move or transfer out. They will move along on that but on his replacement they will give a problem unless they get some word from the White House. On the Economic Minister will have no problem on setting that up. Just have to get the word to set it up. I have been talking to Sid Jones but that can follow along later. On Tony they are still fussing about it. If I want him instead of Vest that's okay but I want Schaetzel both of them. I will talk to Vest to see if he wants to stay which I don't think he will. He is in line for an ambassadorship and he will play their game.

HAK: Okay but we don't lose those things over a long time.

K: We won't lose. I am learning how to win things too.

HAK: You haven't lost things since you have been in your ambassadorship. What about Schaetzel?

K: Set up position through ............ Just have to get the word that the President wants an Economic Minister attached to me over there. Jack said as soon as they get the word, they will move on it. The problem is that Schaetzel has been talking to businesses. He has been talking to IBM.

HAK: What's he talking to IBM about?

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TELCORN
President/Kissinger
eveningn 1/19/72

P: This will not seem important but I noticed memo on King of Denmark. I
wondered if on this occasion you could give Johnson a call. I remember the Theo.
Roosevelt was at the ________ funeral. Johnson has not been asked to do anything
and maybe he would like to do it. Prince Phillip will be there.

K: That's very thoughtful.

P: I don't think he will do it but the AF go over and all that crap.

K: It's a nice thought.

P: Another thing. It's one where you should call in Advance. Rusk. & People
who are stuck with war.

K: I told Connally about it. He thinks it's a great plus. Won't still critics. I
didn't show him the speech.

P: Have Rogers look at it but that's all.

K: Safire has done a good job.

P: He has gotten to the heart of thing. I made a few changes. It's a devastating
record.

K: Here is Ted Kenedy saying we had the key and threw it away.

P: May we offered a withdrawal and ceasefire. In August we offered 9 months
withdrawal and ceasefire. In ________ we offered 6 months and ceasefire and
same today.

K: They will find something but there will be tough.

P: Call Johnson and call me back. We just Say just between us the President
thought that historically where others had represented govt. where E.H. TR was
at ________ and Eisenhower at Churchill and if he wanted to go we would
like that. Good for foreign policy but if he couldn't we would understand. Seeing
Dobrynin tomorrow?

K: I haven't heard. Coming in tonight.

P: I am going to Fla. Start reading Thurs. and Fri. State of the Union reads well

K: I am looking forward to it.

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TELCOM
Pres. Johnson/Kissinger
9:32 a.m. 1/20/72

K: The President asked me to call you. We are sending a delegation to the funeral of the King of Denmark on the 23rd of Jan. Other people are sending their Presidents. Prince Phillip, the King of Norway, the King of Sweden will be there. The President wondered if you would consider going. He would send you on a presidential aircraft.

J: I can't go. We are opening our educational conference on Jan. 23 with thousands of people.

K: We regret that.

J: It's been set up for months. We have talked with you on the Dominican papers. We are de-classifying them as they are coming for two days of seminar. Panel discussions for two days and I am the host.

K: The President will be disappointed and he will understand.

J: I appreciate it and otherwise I would be delighted to do it. Anything that might come along when I can be helpful I want to do it.

K: I will try to come down or see you while you are the East, hopefully before the China trip to bring you up to date on what's going on.

J: Don't worry about me and I wish you God's speed.

K: Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure to be of some small service to you and I have always admired what you have done.

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TELCONE

Mrs. Cerf/Kissinger
11:20 a.m. 1/20/72

C: I am coming down. Charlotte Ford coming too. I wanted to know if we could buy you cocktails that night.

K: What night? 27th. I have made a date with Fred Brisson.

C: He is coming down with us.

K: Then the 4 of us.

C: I think she has servants there.

K: I could take you all out.

C: I am inviting you to dinner.

K: It's my town.

C: I accept. I will give you the address of the Ford apt.

K: It's at the Shoreham Annex. I know where it is. That's in place of lunch?

C: You can't take me more than once.

K: Dinner on the 27th. You will straighten it out with Brisson. I have to drop in at a cocktail party the TODAY show is giving.

C: Barbara Walters would be there.

K: Would you like to come there first?

C: Let's do it all.

K: We will get Barbara violently jealous.

C: Shall I talk with Barbara too?

K: No. I will talk with her. It's a huge cocktail party and I can handle her. You handle Brisson. He wants to do "Sugar" that night.

C: Maybe we can do it all.

K: Cocktail party, "Sugar", and then dinner.

C: I am being cupid. My girl is so adorable.

K: She has to get into the computer first. I will see you the night before too.

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TELCOM
Herb Klein/Kissinger
11:27 a.m. 1/20/72

HAK: I heard from Paul Keyes for which I can use a little. Talk for 10 mins. 7 fun and 3 serious. I can do the serious part. The theme of the evening is Trip to Peking. I think I should take cracks at Democratic Congressmen and Senators the re.

HK: Xx Who are they?

HAK: Church speaks for Democrats.

HK: That would be good. One thing -- you are absolutely right about kidding
on Anderson ax paper and get your yours in.

HAK: P. Keyes has a number of Bob Hope jokes. I can use some.

HK: Do you like short quips or longer story.

HAK: Best would be to combine them. Perhaps a funny document I could leave.

HK: A paper to hand up to the head table. The Kissinger Paper.

HAK: Could you get someone to work on that?

HK: It will be partly by long distance. I will have someone get a copy of what you have now. I will call Johnny Grant and Safire.

HAK: I will get it in my style.

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TELCOM
Safire/Kissinger
11:50 a.m. 1/20/72

K: What was the reaction?

S: Didn't like some of the my language. He has a number of good nitpicks. General feeling of accenting what's on board now and more than what's been.

K: We can't. Because they have the right to surface it any time.

S: No, talk about it but accentuate the other. I would like to go over the word changes with you.

K: I have a luncheon date. Could you come right away? We have 10 mins.

S: I will come right away.

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NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Safire/Kissinger

3:13 p.m. 1/20/72

K: One change that Rogers suggested on 13, 14, and 15 where he wanted to move this confusion. I want it a little confused. I want to stick with it. It's too bold as it is.

S: That's why I dropped by.

K: I didn't know you had.

S: I re-did it and it may be too clear.

K: Fuzz it up a bit.

S: Will you be there for an hour?

K: We are at the edge of a blow up in SVN. Troop withdrawal was too big and if they add something they can put on __________, we are dead.

S: Let me show you. You can either clear up the fuzzed part or fuzz up the clear part. It's x up to you.

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TELCOM

Dobrynin/Kissinger

5:04 p.m.

1/20/72

K: I have now formulated a basic rule. When you leave town you are up to mischief.

D: When we are together but it will be when we are apart.

K: If you were here during these situations, it would have been better.

D: We can exchange some details.

K: I hope you are not too well rested. You are tough enough when you are tired.

D: You succeeded during the last week. I wanted to stay another week. I was given a telegram that you wanted some talks. So they said I had to go.

K: Your trade delegation. All people who deal with commercial matters are neurotic. Your Deputy Minister said I will get Dobrynin back and I said who wants him?

K: I was scheduled to arrive today and not on Sun.

K: I saw you on the State of the Union.

D: The govt. knew I had to go. There was an attempt to get me back on Sun.

K: I notice you applauded when the President spoke on a bigger defense budget.

D: You looked on a different Ambassador. Lucet was behind me.

K: How about dinner tomorrow night?

D: 8:00. My plane.

K: Or over here.

D: Whatever is convenient.

K: I will come there. It is a little more comfortable in your place.

D: 8:00 or 8:30.

K: 8:30 tomorrow.

D: Settled.

K: We will have a good review.

D: We have something to discuss.

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TELCONE

Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

early morning 1/20/72

K: I was going to call you because we have worked out the airplane thing.

R: I got a telephone call from Joe Sisco and told me it is possible to tackle the
F-4.

K: I talked to Laird and I want to check with you once more. They say they are
doing more in '73 because of a special adjustment.

R: First started in Oct. 1972. They will get it out of the line in June 1972.

K: I want to be sure you still want as much in 1972.

R: Two per month every month in '72. I think we should talk in the next couple
of days. The problem is stuck with Joe Sisco until we finish the political paper.
Can something be done there?

K: About what?

R: About the fact of delays.

K: They expect to deliver the first to you in Feb.

R: All right.

K: Let us handle it in our complicated way. I just saw Laird on this subject
after we talked yesterday. You will have the first in Feb.

R: I think on the political issue it is demand for prior agreement that's stuck.

K: You know what the intention is. We should talk. Let's aim for tomorrow.

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President/Kissinger
10:30 a.m. 1/21/72

K: I didn't have a chance to tell you last night that everything was beautifully done but your remarks were very nice.

P: They are a nice group.

[Cabinet]

K: Your remarks were better than the group, but if that doesn't raise the sites, nothing will.

P: Sometimes people have to get on the mountain top. They don't read enough. I tried to make the point where I woke up in the morning and read books.

K: It was very reflective. Moynihan did very well.

P: And Stans.

K: It was quite an occasion.

P: I was thinking about your comments on the NVN. I wonder if in the letter to the Chinese the way to handle them might be to say we have intelligence reports saying the Soviet Union is urging the NVN to launch a major attack to embarrass us prior to our visit to the People's Republic. We are making a peace proposal but other than that we will have to take actions to support our people. Get the impression that others are doing it.

K: I asked Haig to place that argument in a sketchy way when he was there so that it was playing back to something he had received.

P: Right.

K: On handling the press -- our original idea was to publish the plan the next day and a briefing the next day. After reflection, I think we should release the plan after your speech and that evening a backgrounder will not be on the record. The reason is this. If we don't release until the next day, someone will say he knows what it is and then when we play it its role. Don't publish the details and then brief on backgrounder.

P: If it's our purpose to use it.

K: That evening it should be on your speech.

P: It has to be done before the speech.

K: Around 8:00 or 8:30. If we don't, they will go out on a limb and blame us for lying to them. Then a briefing on the record giving a history of negotiations and they will have something to write about.

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President/Kissinger

10:30 a.m.

1/21/72

-2-

P: That makes sense. Write the story for them that night.

K: On the plan. No questions how and what. That will be done in cops and robbers the next day. If we don't explain the plan, we will be in trouble. Too many people ready to fly speck it.

P: The plan stands on it's own so it needs a little explaining.

K: Doesn't have to be long. 15 mins. So that way write that part of the story for them.

P: Sure. Let's plan to do it that way. Anything we can do to the NVN? Not in the air but SVN in Cambodia?

K: They will not do it fast enough. They have pulled their troops out of Cambodia and put them in II Corps. One way or other it will be settled by election time. If SVN break it settles it and if they hold and weather what happens there domestically then I think it's 50-50 they will settle it before the election. They are making a scale they cannot repeat if they don't make it.

P: SVN, can we get them anything more? Tanks or anything?

K: In our withdrawal schedule the Pentagon is putting emphasis on pulling out helicopters. Many of the gun ships. We need them desparately. Change composition of forces and keep helicopters in there until May. It doesn't effect troop numbers.

P: Get that out right away. Get Laird and Moorer out of there. Do it today.

K: As soon as we hang up.

P: Moorer owes us one too. Say we want plenty of helicopters until May and let's use them.

K: I think we can handle it.

P: They have no air power and no helicopters. No reason for them to win.

K: If they suffer the same losses this year as last, year in Laos then I think it will be over.

P: I think you are right. You will see Dobrynin tonight?

K: Right. I will call you. It may be too late. I will place a call anyway.

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P: Your line with him will be conciliatory on the big things but we cannot have the defensive. We will respond -- at a level they don't expect. Let them think we will hit Haiphong.

K: I think I should warn him that we will be tough.

P: It will be interesting to see what he is bringing. A whole agenda on trade.

K: He will be conciliatory. I have that from the tone of his conversation.

P: It was interesting that when you brought up India he said let's go on from there.

K: They are guilty and they know it. They are a bunch of thugs.

P: Get Laird over. It is important to say we don't lose ____ on this. I will take some knocks. I don't mind 5 day strike.

K: The Democrats want to say it took us 4 years to loose. Then whipsaw us.

P: We will set it up well with peace proposal. Then they hit us and we respond by saying you will not drive us out that way. Maybe we will get public support this way.

K: We should and go on the defensive against the Democrats. They had on the TODAY show this morning comments by Muskie and Humphry on military posttion of your speech. They only want more efficiency. They didn't attack frontally. They are all patriotic.

P: ?? ?? if the AF gets some planes. Hit for 2 day cracks.

K: Two days and stop for 2-3 days and then a day. Mix it up so opponents don't get set.

P: Really whamp on them.

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Kandy Stroud

1/21/72 11:25 a.m.

S: John Fairchild is coming to town. I'm doing a series of dinner parties for him.

K: When?

S: I would prefer to have you come on February 9. I'm doing it on February 6, February 8 and February 9.

K: The ninth I can't. The eighth I can.

* S: I sent you the invitation for the 9th, but just put it down for the eighth when it comes.

K: On the 9th I know I can't.

S: When it comes for the 9th, just mark it 8th. Same time; same place.

K: Who will be coming?

S: The Bayhs, Tunneys...

K: Oh good, I like them.

S: And about this other thing...

K: About your coming?

S: Yes.

K: That's between you and Ziegler. I have no influence on that.

S: I can understand that. But I did appreciate your saying you would put in a word and if there's an opportunity...

K: If there is I will do it.

S: I'm sort of like a kid standing outside a cookie jar. It's the most appealing trip that's ever come along. But I was just thinking if Ron Ziegler ever says to you what do you think of this dame, would you put in a good word for me?

K: You can be sure.

TELECON
Secretary Laird

1/21/72 5:00 p.m.

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L: One thing on this Verification Panel on SALT . . . I wanted . . . you want a short precise briefing to start?

K: That would be fine.

L: Okay, I'll get it a bang-up good job.

K: Okay Mel.

L: That other thing I've got on track as far as South Vietnam is concerned but Don't lose your cool about it Henry. We are all right. We're looking at it very carefully.

K: Okay. I'm just calling an inter-departmental meeting on Monday of the principals.

L: What time?

K: I mean at the Deputy level.

L: What time?

K: About 10:00.

L: MM I would like to have the Chairman . . .

K: He has got to be there.

L: But we've got an important staff meeting here at 9:00.

K: Okay then I'll make it noon.

L: Fine.

K: Okay.

L: And we'll have these various things worked out. I went back out there. Abe couldn't have written the first part of the message. He asked for operation Proud Deep. You know, the strikes we had for five days in the north? We got plenty of assets over there; it's just a question of hitting something. We've got all kinds of assets but we've got to hit targets. If the President can stand the political heat we ought to go for a two or three day operation.

K: Maybe we ought to do that.

L: I can take the heat.

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Joe Kraft

1/21/72 5:20 p.m.

JK: I saw you having a pleasant lunch at Sans Souci.

HK: Oh yes, with Pamela Harriman.

JK: She's a darling person.

HK: And extremely intelligent.

JK: And she knows how to listen.

HK: I have talked to Ziegler again, and still have no answer from him. I have also communicated with the Chinese, but I can't tell you where I do that. I have done what I told you. I would do; now it's between you and them. But I stated my view of you and I think you do superb work. I don't know whether you will go on this trip, but I said you do terrific work and would in any event be a good person to have go at some time. Call me Monday afternoon, but you must understand where I am influential and where I am not.

JK: Okay. Let's have a talk some day. Your letter was very bracing and helpful, and supportive, but there are parts of it I guess I just don't understand. My sense of structure is highly wrong and deficient.

HK: Call me. I should have an answer on their reaction by Monday afternoon and then we will see.

JK: I am grateful for this.

HK: I know how you feel. I can assure you if it were even remotely in my discretion . . . and I haven't given up yet. Haig thinks there is still some here.

JK: Good.

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Bob Haldeman/Dr. Kissinger

1/22/72 9:35 a.m.

HAK: When is the President coming back to Key Biscayne?

BH: I haven't any idea.

HAK: Because he wanted to talk about "DP, but I don't want to do it on an open channel.

BH: Don't do it out there. Is there anything you must speak to him about immediately?

HAK: No, he was just eager to hear.

BH: He isn't aware that he is on an open channel out there, or he may forget, and I imagine there easily could be foreign people monitoring the frequencies. You could talk his language, maybe.

HAK: I don't know, he usually talks about so many things.

BH: It's crappy weather here this morning, so he may come back early.

HAK: We are in high gear, maximum top speed. The only thing that could screw up this summit is because of our own people. We are going to have a flood of agreements. Has the memo been handed to Rogers yet?

BH: Yes, he read it while he was going down the hall and I saw him turn as if to go back to the President's office. I saw him to into Steve Bull's office. I told Steve to wait until the President saw ______. He [Rogers] is upset about not being kept informed. I said Mitchell and I are talking care of it and that he would be informed also.

HAK: Rogers is concerned about one thing. The State Department leak that they have set up on Israelis ______. Dobrynin wanted to know what that meant. Another directive which I sent down for the President is on airplanes and one is on the speed to which negotiations are to be made. But if we can get this done, I think we can bring this off. I had a good talk with Dobrynin.

BH: Good.

HAK: I don't need anything from the President. I thought he might just wish to know what transpired.

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Dr. Kissinger/Bob Haldeman

Page 2

HAK: Another thing. We have come to the view here that he originally was to make a speech and do no background that night, but I fear that if we don't release the plan, the newsmen might interpret differently and in the wrong way. We should release plan same night and background on plan and nothing else. Just the plan before the speech. Because it is so complex.

BH: Yes, Henry I was--

HAK: We would do it in two steps--background for 15 minutes on just the plan; then the next morning we would have details of proposals, how we met, etc and answer additional questions on the meeting.

BH: That sounds good to me, but what about the President.

HAK: He agrees with it

BH: Oh, does he; I see, so you don't get the wrong bounce on it right off.

HAK: Then we could do the press at 8:15 which puts a time limit on it. The next morning we do an on-the-record, full scale briefing in full detail of what transpired. I will take my chances and not call the President. If he calls me, I just won't take it unless he is back at Key Biscayne.

BH: Just say things went well in your meeting and you don't want to discuss details now. He will understand.

HK: Okay, but at any rate he will be very pleased. Negotiations will be wonderful. Even if Bill could get an agreement by his methods, we don't want it, with what we can get now. You have to be very sensitive to get what we want to get accomplished.

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TELCON
J. J. McCloy/Kissinger
11:00 a.m. 1/22/72

M: Two things. They are important. I talked with Dave Packard and he says okay. I think the President should call him or write him. He emphasized if the President wants me to do this, I will take it on. He is in a good position to clarify your position on the Hill.

K: I will call him.

M: Somonne from the WH. I have gotten two calls from Germany. This is pretty reliable. From Birrenbach. Story is that Pauls is sending over some rather inter-rorum telegrams to Germany saying that if treaties are not ratified it is the end of cordial relations between the U.S. and Germany.

K: Baloney!

M: Being used for sharp political purpose and for fact that Barzel coming over here and seeing President without Pauls being present. That's up to them to settle but is an indication that they wanted to talk freely before they could with Pauls. Can't arrange for that but they say they do want meeting with the President and will insist he come alone and not with ~~xx~~ Pauls. There's a good deal of propaganda that it is the end of relations. Birrenbach referred to Schaetzel. He heard rumors that Schatzel might be replaced.

K: That's correct.

M: He deplored that. Schatzel has the confidence of the Europeans and knows _______________ and could be a help to Kennedy and thought it _______________ if Schatzel should be replaced and they think he can get more than anybody else on these negotiations.

K: I don't know how active it is.

M: I give you that for what it's worth. They feel very strongly about it. They would be quite concerned if Schatzel is replaced. Perhpas it's over the dam.

K: I will look at it again.

M: I know him. I have had a lot to do with him in the past and think highly of him. Next thing. I will not quote you on it. I have to call Birrenbach back and I will say that you ~~disregard~~ disregard that kind of pressure.

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TELCON

Amb. Cromer/Kissinger

11:20 a.m. 1/22/72

K: I called you yesterday.

C: I was on the Coast.

K: It's about recognition of Bangla Desh. Our major concern is you do it late enough that we will not be confronted with a debate before we go to Peking.

C: What will that do in terms of timing?

K: If you could push it into Feb. Every week helps.

C: It's a delaying as long as possible.

K: We just don't want to answer before we go to Peking.

C: Congress and why the U.S. doesn't follow on. I understand.

K: The principle is not at stake. And keep your friend Thomlinson.

C: Is he still making noises?

K: No.

C: I wrote a personal letter about Thomlinson. The other is about our ambassador in Peking. Were you worried about that? I didn't think you are. Are we a new man arrives there on the 24th.

K: No bother.

C: We have some new wording.

K: I have seen that.

C: You are content with that? You will live with it?

K: You have done it.

C: Not quite but wanted you to know what we are doing.

K: We understand it.

C: You won't feel too badly.

K: Will he present that?

TelCon:12 Noon-12/22/72
Mr. Kissinger/
The President

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5/26

K: Mr. President.

P: Henry, how are you?

K: I understand this is an open line that can be monitored by anyone.

P: Yes, I was told.

K: I just wanted to tell you it went extremely well.

P: About the way you predicted?

K: Yes, it was total openness and no holding. It went very well.

P: Did you get any reaction on that other thing?

K: Yes I got some interesting explanations of events.

P: So he knows what will happen . . .

K: Yes,

P: You felt the meeting was good.

K: Extremely successful.

P: I am in the Bahamas now and I may stay here another day.

K: I understand from Bob that the weather is bad in Key Biscayne so if the weather is better there

P: Yes, it is a little cloudy but not bad.

K: Well you have had a tough week.

P: Well, not really. Of curse I worked on the other thing they don't know about. Incidentally, you have on that score - as far as you are concerned it is in pretty good shape.

K: Yes, fine. This is going to be monitored Mr. President.

P: Yes, I understand but on Monday when we go over this you understand about him . . You say the World Report it is about finished?

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K: Yes.

P: Well good - go to New York and have some fun. Mr. Rebozo needs you to get out here and stir up the water.

K: Yes, Mr. President but everything is in good shape - in excellent shape on that matter.

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TELCOM
Timmesch/Kissinger
12:02 p.m. 1/22/72

T: I am disappointed.

K: I am sure you are and I cannot tell you. I am on the annual report and we have an unbreakable date and I am trying to get some time on my schedule.

T: Yesterday I was in Iowa and had 3 hours sleep and didn't do any research for a research column.

K: I will try to fit you in later in the day.

T: That will be good for Mon.

K: It doesn't do you any good if I am sitting there waiting to have you leave.

T: How about scheduling me for half an hour next week.

K: I will.

T: Coleman Hicks will call me.

K: Definitely.

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TelCon:12:20-1/22/72

Mr. Kissinger/
Secretary Laird

L: How are you Henry?

K: OK.

L: Did you get those comments?

K: Yes and we are working on them. Everyone in a while you put in some diggs which are unnecessary which implies we are not showing personal attention to it.

L: I didn't think it was so digging.

K: The only trouble I am having is with the MBFR.

L: I am not sure we want to get wetted on that.

K: Why not?

L: Well, I will talk to you about it.

K: But how can we recommend something if it is bad?

L: I don't think our studies have come far enough to make that judgement. They are still really in the preparatory stage.

K: Well no one has raised that point before.

L: Well, you know I have put Larry in charge of that. The other thing I want to talk to you about was on that helicopter thing we talked about yesterday. I went out Wednesday to ? with a personal message and he has come back today saying he can do it.

K: He can't do it?

L: No, he said he can do it. He can double up on that force so he will be up to almost ______ with well over 600 and 689 in his private message and he will take it up in your meeting.

K: Good way they handled that.

L: He will take some more out of communications, headquarters, intelligence but not on his security support but he has taken some 45 off his headquarters support. I also wanted to talk to you about the Ambassador to Spain. I hope you will consider one of our military types.

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K: Well, that has already been promised to Mosbacher.

L: Well, I was thinking of Rivets(?) and he is a hell of a guy and his wife is delightful but I can understand if it has been promised to Mosbacher.

K: The President wants him.

L: Well I have Rivets around and Westmoreland. I would like to find something for him.

K: Yes, well he has done a lot.

L: Well we have this change in the Army which is needed but I would like to find something for him.

He will have
gence but not
headquarters su
dor to Spain. I do

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TELCONE

Clayton Fritchie/Kissinger

10:20 a.m. - 1/24/72

K: I just called you on a point of honor. I don't want to get anything corrected, but nobody in the White House briefed Joe Alsop. I was totally unaware he was doing an article and neither did my staff. I found out about it Wednesday night when he called General Haig and told him he was doing an article. First Haig, and then I pleaded with him not to do the article.

F: I have pretty strong reasons to believe to the contrary.

K: I had not seen or talked to Joe between December 18 and when I learned about the article.

F: He was boasting around about it.

K: The only thing he could have gotten from me was before December 18 when I might have said to him __________ was related to the crisis and I don't even remember saying that. I don't even know those quotes from Rogers. I think, in any event, if secret documents are leaked and you defend yourself by leaking more documents. I don't want you to write on this.

F: I am very glad I talked to you. If you say it, I believe it.

K: I give you my word, I did not talk to Joe. I pleaded with him not to write it. Then when he wrote the second article I again pleaded with him to stop.

F: Well, you know when you have Joe Alsop for a friend you don't need any enemies.

K: He claims he got this information from sources around town. The only people that would know it on my staff would be General Haig and myself. Haig was in China and I was out on the West Coast. After he had __________, he called us to tell us he did the deed. Then he promised he would take out Rogers and Sisco's names. He claims it was taken out in every column except in Washington.

F: That may be so. The one I saw the names were in. You know you may have noticed a couple days ago India renewed its play internationally for help in rehabilitating the refugees. It seems that there is an opportunity for us, for the United States, to make a response some time soon. That would leave a good taste in the mouth generally not only in this country, but elsewhere.

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K: But Clayton, I think you will find in our report on world affairs which we will publish in 10 days that you won't disagree too much with our direction and we have no interest in hostility with India - on the contrary.

F: I hope so. I was just thinking of the immediate problem.

K: Well, I can tell you on any humanitarian issue, it won't be any problem for us.

F: I think it would be good all around. If I were in your Administration I would be looking for something to sort of get the old text out and a new text going without doing something necessary to...

K: Clayton, within 6 months you will see our political dialogue with India will be in very strong shape.

F: Well, I am delighted to hear it.

(At this point the President called and Mr. Kissinger excused himself.)

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TELCORN

Joseph Kraft/Dr. Kissinger

January 24, 1972 6:43 p.m.

HAK: I have had word from the Chinese that their Number One man
is in Africa. But their Number Two man, Chen Chu will be happy
to see you. Now they stressed that you should not mention me. You
should do it on your own.

JK: Sure.

HAK: You can be sure that your case has been raised as effectively
as can be.

JK: (Question Inaudible)

HAK: I have not heard anything today.

JK: Can I score another point maybe and ask you want is your
reading on the Peking/Hanoi agreement on aid?

HAK: I haven't had a chance to study it.

JK: All Right. I will keep you abreast of what is going on.

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TELCORN

Secretary Connally/Henry Kissinger

7:18 p.m. January 24, 1972

HAK:: The President wondered if you would mind reading the copy
of his speech he is giving tomorrow.

JC: Yes, of course.

HAK: Where are you now?

JC: I am in my apartment at the Sheraton Park Hotel. I will be
in the office at 8:15 in the morning.

HAK: Okay, I will send it over. And any comments you might
have will be appreciated.

JC: All Right. I will call you.

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Telecon

Mr. Kissinger
Dave Kraslow
1/24/72; 9:30 p. m.

K: What the hell is going on?

HK: I am writing my speech for the Women's National Press Club. That's what I am doing -- I give you my word of honor.

K: Keating and Farland were both in town -- what does that mean?

HK: Farland was coming home anyway. We did call back Keating for a normal postmortem. Northing likely will emerge from that.

K: It won't be reflected in the State of the World message?

HK: That I don't want to say -- but there is no emergency.

K: How about Porter? Anything interesting to develop on the Vietnam front? A lot of people haven't been returning my calls . . .

HK: Like who? Porter has been in New England all of last week. I saw him for twenty minutes before he went off to New England.

K: Anything of a promising nature that may occur?

HK: Not that I can foresee.

K: Anything array on the China front?

HK: You are just fishing! I am sitting at my desk writing my speech. If you want to come over -- I am frantically trying to find some jokes.

K: Anything going to happen on the Vietnam front that we should be concerned with?

HK: Look -- I was going to go to the theater tonight but I stayed to write my speech.

K: Alright. I will see you on Friday.

HK: Right.

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TELCOM

President Nixon/Henry Kissinger

January 24, 1972 11:10 p.m.

RN: I think there are two or three small changes in addition to the ones you had. We are still holding final copy. This does not involve Thieu. These changes are only rhetorical changes.

HAK: Right. Should I get them from you in the morning?

RN: Where are you?

HAK: I am in the office. Yes. I have a copy right here.

RN: Do you have my reading copy?

HAK: No, unfortunately. Do you want me to come over?

RN: Yes. Come over. I want to take off a whole paragraph.

TELCOM
Laird/Kissinger

9:55 a.m. 1/25/72

L: I am over here testifying with House Armed Services Committee.

K: We don't want people to feed information on ______.

L: Scott put it out too. I think I will deny it. What should it be on the stand over here? I have said Porter probing every week --

K: I want Haig to fill you in. When will you be back?

L: I imagine it will be 3 hours.

K: Storyx You can do one of two things -- swing by here on way back or Haig will come over later.

L: Better if Haig comes over about 1:00.

K: Make sure that for your information President may give a speech. No speculation on what he may say but this won't be in it in this way.

L: Members will press me. I think I will go back to Porter's statement.

K: Just say what we have is on public record.

L: I will be here 3 hours this morning. I am up here every day.

K: We don't want anything said today to add speculation.

L: I haven't been speculating. Brooke and Scott. Scott says he was briefed on it.

K: By whom?

L: He says it but he does that all the time.

K: I don't know by whom. I am appalled by the storyx in the Post. It's a lie
We don't put restrictions on it.

L: Approved in Joint Staff.

K: And no additional restrictions by us and Moorer bagged us to go 5 days.

L: I am God-damn made at them this morning. They talk too much. They should not be talking with Getler. Came from there and no question. It's lousy.

K: Can't do nation's business in this atmosphere.

Laird/Kissinger

9:55 a.m. 1/25/72

-2-

made

L: Andxxx say we HERE them go during that weather.

K: They know why they had to during that weather.

L: I have acted on that this morning.

K: If you could obfuscate the issue when asked questions.

L: They will be asking questions.

K: We don't want headlines. You will screw up the headlines if you give any idea on what you have on negotiations in Paris.

L: I will handle that with the same statements we have used.

K: And low key as you can get it. All will come about 1:15 to brief you.

TELCOM

Safire/issinger

10:02 a.m. 1/25/72

K: Could I see you a minute on other subject?

S: Give me 10 mins. on this. Then Rose can type it.
kill

K: I will kill Win Lord one of these days.

S: He called me and I came.

K: He could have gotten your views on the next draft.

S: We will give Rose the first 6 pages to type.

K: President called me at 1:00 last night on this.

S: I have only been over here 10 mins.

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Sec. Connally/Kissinger

10:05 a.m. - 1/25/72

C: Do you have a copy of it?

K: Well, you may not believe it, but we are already ahead of you. We have done a second draft, but if you tell me what it is I am close enough to it.

C: In the last line on the last page you say "and no peace proposal had been offered at the conference table". I question that for accuracy. If I remember a speech President Johnson made he detailed a number of peace proposals and offers that had been made.

K: Well, I think that is technically true. President Johnson took unilateral things, but we had not at the conference table made a point of making a proposal.

C: Well that's fine provided it doesn't provoke a big argument which is not necessary. If it does, you have created a problem you wouldn't have to have --"and no peace proposal had been offered at the conference table." I wouldn't use it if it's only technically true.

K: We don't need the sentence. We can say formal negotiations had actually started. . .

C: That's fine. Then on page 4 the bottom paragraph, you say, "This is the reason I initiated these private negotiations. I have ______ the way the major war has been brought to an end in a number of cases . . . and private discussions." You don't want to leave the impression that this is a story book negotiation and you got the ideas by reading a book.

K: Very good. I never liked that for another reason. Somebody has got it into his head that he has to apologize for these secret negotiations, but I think people will love it.

C: That's right. The reason he did it was to arrive at peace, not because he read a book. Now back on page 6 you start, "Now however, it is my judgment that the purposes of peace will best be served. . . the proposals we have been making in private." I question if the word "purpose" is the right word. "Now however it is my judgment that the hope of peace, the ______ of peace." What you are doing you are really saying that maybe if we bring these proposals out it will bring about peace.

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K: The hope of peace.

C: Yes, we are hoping to bring about peace.

K: Good point. I think that's right. That's a very sensitive point.

C: Other than that I think it's damn good.

K: What do you think the impact will be?

C: Damn good. There's only one other problem which I think is a question of structure. Toward the end of the speech, he outlines here on page 13, "We are publishing the full details of our plans tonight... we are ready to reach an agreement immediately." That's strong medicine. But then you go on for 2 pages, "We are ready to negotiate the plan I have outlined tonight and conclude." But then you go on to close by saying "or as we proposed privately last May." I would reverse the two.

K: Good point. Excellent point.

C: And then you go right on, "The choice is up to the enemy." But offer your alternatives ________ and ________ proposal anyway. Then when you...

K: You would put the May 31st before the whole proposal.

C: Yes, I would say, "Last May we were ready to . . . and release of all prisoners."

K: Or we are already to negotiate the plan.

C: "Or we are ready to negotiate the plan which I outlined to you in full detail." List the plan, then you say "the choice is up to the enemy." But finish with your stronger proposal which you detail.

K: You noticed that the Department who knew about this has already leaked.

C: You don't mean it.

K: Listen to this, "Senator Brooke says the Nixon Administration." (He went on to read the Brooke's article.)

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C: Well, when are you all going to learn? I'll say this, Dr. Kissinger, you know, by god, the relative trust that you place in the departments around here. They had all this yesterday and I've got it today. And right now there's someone standing outside my door ready to take it back after I read it.

K: Listen, you got the full rundown on that. We are trapped. They had to notify some foreign governments so we had to tell them last night so they could draft the cables. They haven't seen the full text of the speech that's why the report is inaccurate. If we notified the foreign governments they would say the White House is running everything.

C: One other thought, back on page 17 you say, "We are ready to negotiate peace immediately on the generous possible terms." I would leave out "on the most generous" and I would say, "We are ready to negotiate peace immediately." It is generous - maybe it's too generous.

K: I would say it goes to the most absolute limit in my most honest opinion.

C: Outside of those, I think it's good. Whether it will have an impact, I think it will. They can't really get much ahead of you with this leak.

K: No, I think it's an outrage. What they will do after the time is announced is, the other people will go back and look at the Brooke's statement and assume that's what it is and ______ their responses accordingly. That's the only danger, but I don't think it's that great.

C: They wouldn't have known what was coming.

K: I think it will be terrific. I don't know how the ______ to do anything, but . . . They will find a way. Their dishonesty is equal to the occasion

C: Well, they will do their damndest, but I think it will be very well received. When are you going to announce the time?

K: Soon. And I know you are not pressing, but all of these changes will be made.

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Amb. Cromer/Kissinger

12:02 p.m.

1/25/72

C: I want to keep you up to date on Bangla Desh.

K: Your recognized last evening.

C: Who did? You know me better than that. The way it's shaping up we may want to recognize the week beginning 31st of Jan.

K: next week.

C: We have consulted with a lot of people in the same position. Thinking is based on Foreign Secy's visit to New Delhi on 6th & 7th. So it is next week if it's before that.

K: It depends on Psychology of Indains. If they behave better for services rendered or services yet to be rendered. Later is better for us.

C: I have made that clear.

K: Can you come in at 2:00 and I will give you a preview of this evening.

C: Certainly.