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9:15 a.m., June 21, 1972

H: Mr. Ambassador

D: Good morning, General.

H: How are you?

D: Thank you very much. Did you swim safely back?

H: (laughter) Yes.

D: According to the news and radio, it's really something. Do you live where there is a lot of water there?

H: Not so bad. I live on high ground over the river.

D: So that's all right. General, I would like to propose to you the following. Now, Mr. Sokolov, whom you know, he will bring this letter. If you have any questions, please call me on the telephone, all right?

H: Very good, Mr. Ambassador.

D: This is the first one so I am quite really prepared if you have any questions. And second, Henry mentioned to me when he left that he would like to breakfast here in my Embassy on Saturday, 9 o'clock. It was his idea.

H: Yes. I think he's got a problem because he is going to have to go up to Camp David to see the President and I think he'd like to change that to Monday if it's convenient.

D: Oh, I see. I think we could arrange it really so it's not really a problem. So is it already a proposal or just thinking forward?

H: Well, let's make it a proposal because I sent him the message yesterday that the President did want him to go to Camp David.

D: No, no; I do understand very well. And mind you, it's all right with me. We'll make it a little bit earlier then. Not 9:00, but a little earlier.

H: A little earlier, all right.

D: Or if he prefers, we could have a lunch. Not 9:00, all my employees come in.

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General Haig/
Ambassador D.

D: Hello.

H: Hello, Mr. Ambassador. I am sorry I am so late getting back to you. I have been over with the President - he has had me in a press conference.

D: Oh, I see, well I called you because - while I understand that you were with the President - I simply want to draw your attention to this letter which was sent by the Secretary to the President.

H: Yes.

D: The paragraph dealing with Vietnam in the sense that it really needs to be read rather carefully. Because ______ you understand but at the same time I think it has got all the points which Henry discussed in Moscow with Gromyko. Well it was discussed of course on the top level but then it was discussed a week ago tonight(?) between Gromyko and Henry. First, we would work out several things further to be brought to their attention as we promised. Second, that they - I mean the Vietnamese - really attach serious attitude and significant information. Then they emphasized that they attach great significance to the Paris negotiations. They said they are ready to resume both sessions, plenary and private.

H: Yes.

D: Because in Moscow there was a discussion and they raised this question unless it will be they agree to a private there will be no public.

H: Yes.

D: So here it says to both they are prepared to have it.

H: Right.

D: And then it says in this connection Le Duc Tho and Thuy(?) they will be ready - soon be back taken in view of the particular circumstances, they will be back.

H: Right.

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D: Then ________ the Vietnamese say that a business-like approach towards the resumption. It really ________ but Henry says they should not be involved only in propaganda but be businesslike. So it says they are prepared to be business-like. And then Henry made the point because I was present during the whole talks that is why I could make such a demand(?) that he said that we don't won't to have a discussion when it will only be discussed from their point.

H: Yes, that is right.

D: So here it says that the Vietnamese side proceeds on the basis not only i proposal ________ talks and this is important ________.

H: Yes.

D: So this is a point simply on my own I should say rather, I bring to your attention because you are not there, so I would like you to look through this one.

H: Yes, I noticed all those things very carefully and I agree with

D: Have you already put it to the President - this letter.

H: Yes, he is aware of it but he hasn't really focussed on it yet and will this afternoon.

D: Oh this afternoon(?) . So I would like to make some comment too on this session ________ letter - of course Secretary General Brezhnev attaches quite a personal importance.

H: Absolutely.

D: So this is really the remarks I would like to make to you.

H: Well, good Mr. Ambassador, and I appreciate it and your(?) words are not wasted.

D: Yes (laughing) I hope so. About the meeting with Henry, you will let me know tomorrow whenever you know - when is more convenient for him Saturday or Sunday.

H: Well, I am sure he will want it on Monday morning and I will let you know whether it will be Monday at breakfast or Monday at lunch.

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6/24/72 10:28 a.m.

AD: Welcome back, Henry.

HAK: I just tried to reach you.

AD: Thank you very much. How are you?

HAK: I'm fine. Shall we have lunch on Friday?

AD: Do you prefer breakfast or lunch--I think lunch is better.

HAK: Shall I come over there? I don't mind being corrupted.
I wanted to say two things--When we send over an announcement--
I tried to reach you last night and couldn't get you.

AD: Yesterday I was out until around 11:00.

HAK: I tried to reach you to read the announcement to you that we
are putting out--we sent it over--it is nothing. About the Chinese
talks. Did you get it?

AD: No, not yet.

HAK: We sent it over this morning.

AD: I got here just 15 minutes ago. What is it about.

HAK: It is about nothing--I will read it to you now. It just says PM
Chou En-lai and other Chinese officials had discussions with Dr. Kissinger
and his party............reads rest of Saturday announcement.

AD: That's all?

HAK: It was essentially a review of the situation and they of course
asked questions about the meaning of various agreements--if you
can imagine.

AD: No, no, it is imaginable.

HAK: I explained exactly in the terms of more or less our public
presentations. And they were not crazy about Article 3 of our general

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principles. And then there was some Vietnam discussions. I'll go
over with you on Monday--but nothing of startling interest.

AD: It's all right. I'd like to talk to you about several things including strategic arms--you remember? Then about signing here about the Deputy of Trade and I would like to discuss it with you--but you'll be there in your office let's say within an hour?

HAK: Yes.

AD: I will call you because he might arrive on Sunday--

HAK: This coming Sunday?

HAK: Yes. Deputy of Trade you say?

AD: Yes, he is the First Deputy of Policy. In connection
with what the President discussed in Moscow. Maybe in an hour or
a half an hour I will call you back.

HAK: One other thing that needs no saying. I don't know whether
you read that Joe Alsop column yesterday

AD: No.

HAK: Well, it is pure, absolute total <u>ignorance</u> (?) mystery.

AD: What did he say?

HAK: He said that I was going there to discuss military measures against a Soviet attack.

AD: Why would he write something like this?

HAK: Anatol, I do not understand it. First of all I do not believe
there will be a Soviet attack, secondly, I have said a thousand times
that I have never discussed any military measures with him--you
know--it is not that sort of a relationship.

AD: That is why I was wondering why. It is interesting why he would
do it.

HAK: I cannot understand it.

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AD: He has a good personal relationship.....

HAK: He has an excellent relationship with me--I am so furious with him that I have ordered both Haig and of course myself to cut off all contact with him. Because this is the--he has an excellent relationship with me and for that reason its going to mean a significance that it wouldn't normally have.

AD: Because--this is the point, there is no reason why--two or three days ago he wrote an article about all the Soviet ambassadors--I don't know if you remember--going around saying that there--

HAK: Well, you saw the article he wrote about me that I will be made Secretary of State--do you think that will do me any good?

AD: (laughs) It would be flattering from the point of view of the common public, I should say.

HAK: From the point of view of the common public, it is flattering, but from the point of view of Washington it is a disaster--you know that.

AD: Yes, I know.

HAK: But believe me--I haven't seen the article about you--

AD: No, no there was no article about me--just that all the Russian ambassadors that they were telling everyone that the military advance of the North Vietnamese is a complete failure.

HAK: Well, he doesn't get that from me either.

AD: To put that in my mouth, I am saying everyone--it is nothing really otherwise, you know

HAK: You know, Anatol, both you and I know he is violently anti-Soviet for a reason we both know and he is making the maximum amount of mischief. I normally don't comment to you about newspapers, but I have--and to do that while I am in Peking, so it isn't speculation, it's like he really knew something.

AD: As if it were a special kind of connection [laughs].

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HAK: Well, I can tell you I don't know what the Chinese think, but they must be furious.

AD: It doesn't bother about their feelings specifically.

HAK: Of course, you know if it wasnt ______, we wouldn't do it, it would be insane in the light of our present relationship, but it is a absolute outrage.

AD: I will call you in a half an hour.

AAK: I will be giving a brief press conference this morning just describing the schedule of my trip of China--it's just mechanical.

AD: I see-just in Peking or your travels around Peking.

HAK: Just Peking. Oh, there was another article in the newspapers incidentally that I had visited the Polytechnical Institute and talked to their rocket experts--total nonsense.

AD: Yes, and last night or the week before it was the guest house where you stayed there were so many people around arriving for the special meeting.

HAK: Again, total nonsense. The day I went--you know they followed it and they were usually cut off by security people--I can tell you what I did but that morning I went to the Sports Academy where they train acrobatics and ping pong players which is about two miles from the Polytechnical Institute--and I went to the Sports Academy, so they--I never went to the Institute or saw that scientist. For example, one night they said I had a late meeting at the Great Hall of the People--somebody must have put this stuff out in Peking, because what happened was that I went to an Opera performance at the Great Hall of the People which ended at 11:00.

AD: Did you have American newspapermen there?

HAK: No, this was the local press and of course the Chinese controlled them completely--I cannot control what they do, but I did not see a single newsman and there was no particular meeting in fact the last night we had been outside the guest house.

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Amb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger

11:32 a.m., June 24, 1972

K: Hello.

D: Hello, Henry. Are you over with your press conference?

K: I'm finished.

D: You're very quick now.

K: Oh, yeah. Well, I just said that relations with the Soviet Union are in bad shape; there's going to be a tremendous headline tomorrow.

D: I was worried about that. I think you had just enough to say one phrase and that's finished. Well, this I would like to just mention to you before.

K: Just for your information, I have publicly stated that this stuff about rocketry experts was total nonsense.

D: I think it really is because you know different kinds of people look differently on all the stories in the press, as you understand. So I think a public statement from your level is useful.

Specifically, I received instructions to speak with you when you were back and specifically only to you. And I read to you right from the telegram really just to make sure. At the summit talks in Moscow, President Nixon made a request for the grain purchases from the United States be considered by the Soviet Union. In making that request, he noted that a positive decision on this question by the Soviet trade would create a favorable atomsphere, so to speak, in the Congress and in the country in general for granting the Soviet Union most favored nation treatment in commerce and credit.

K: That is correct.

D: After President Nixon's departure, the Soviet leaders carefully considered the question once again taking into account the considerations expressed by the President in Moscow to the effect that that action from the Soviet Government would help the President decide more quickly the question of normalization of Soviet/American commercial and economic relations. The Soviet side deemed it possible to authorize the Soviet Foreign Trade Ministry to enter concrete negotiations with authorized representatives of the United States Government, on the question of grain purchases taking into account the exchange of views which had already taken place between the sides on this question, in Moscow and besides.

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K: Does anybody here in town know that this man is coming?

D: This I would like to finish. This is really the message. As they expressed to you in Moscow, tell you that before negotiations between the sides of the Bahr/Fomin question are completed it would be much better to take steps to insure that American press would not report the purpose of the Delegation's visit. And now I would like to explain what a little bit happened yesterday. Yesterday, our first Deputy told Mr. Patolichev he applied for visa in your Embassy without telling anyone what was the purpose of his visit. So your Ambassador was naturally a little bit mystified and he sent a telegram -- at least I have received here calls about initiative on Mr. Irwin who is as you know Acting Secretary of State and from Mr. Peterson. They inquired what is the purpose of this gentleman coming here, and at this juncture when they asked me, I didn't have anything really. But then a few hours later I received a telegram which I was just telling you but in any case, I didn't call them back, of course, because it was only for your information. So he applied for a visa to come here on Sunday, but nobody knows exactly what he is coming for because he is Deputy and, as such, he could deal with any question with the trade relations. So he's __________ practically everything. So nobody really knows just exactly the purpose, but as Peterson yesterday put to me, he probably will deal with the Canada problem, and this is exactly correct because -- So I have the question really to ask --

K: I will let you know by tomorrow how we will handle it. Let them only know that he's coming.

D: Yes. Nothing else.

K: They do not know what.

D: They do not know one word of it. Nobody knows. Except you.

K: All right.

D: I have two questions -- whether it's wise for him to come tomorrow or maybe to try to stop it and come a little bit later. Or it doesn't matter really?

K: I would frankly prefer it if he could wait till Wednesday. Or Tuesday. Can you keep him in New York for a day?

D: For one day. This I could do.

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11:32 a.m., June 24, 1972

K: Do it on Tuesday because that way -- don't let him change his travel plans now. Have him visit your UN man.

D: Yes, and just remain there as if he is doing something there.

K: And then I can on Monday, which is a working day, get it set up.

D: Yeah. Okay.

K: And then I'll tell you exactly how to handle it.

D: Okay. So I will let them know where to come but stay one day and then they will come on Tuesday to Washington.

K: Exactly. And I will then have it set up and I agree with you that we shouldn't have any publicity.

D: Yes.

K: Well, I guess it's linked to the shipping things and other things.

D: In the telegram saying he will come and explain to me what they are but the main thing --

K: My suggestion to you, Anatol, is this. After he comes, and you know what you are prepared to do --

D: I know that he is authorized to discuss the question of the grain purchases and --

K: But you'll know more details after he gets here?

D: Of course I will.

K: Then after we know exactly what the framework is -- At any rate, I will do my best to keep it out of the press.

D: Yeah, I understand.

K: At any rate, I'll do my best to keep our Departments shutup.

D: Yeah, I understand. So in this case, I will give advice to stay there until Tuesday and he will come on Tuesday then.

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K: Let him come Tuesday morning.

D: Okay.

K: Let me say, I'm sure on behalf of the President that we consider this really a very positive way of handling matters.

D: Well, I think it's really good. When you left, we discussed this question in Moscow at that time.

K: It's a very decent way of handling it.

D: So when I left, there was no decision yet taken but now I receive it. What about Pete Peterson? I have to call him back because he asked me to. He called me twice yesterday and he asked when I will know something, please let him know. So I will have to let him know. So I should, of course, call him on Monday or I couldn't call him at all and you could tell him. Because he is coming to Moscow, how is it really right to handle with him personally?

K: The agriculture thing?

D: No. He called me about the purpose of Kuzmin's visit. I said I didn't know.

K: Let me handle it.

D: You will tell him. Okay.

K: I'll handle it in a preliminary way and then perhaps just to maintain your good relations, you can call him Monday.

D: Only on this one.

K: After I have talked to you.

D: Okay.

K: But let's not get too many people involved.

D: No, no; you're the only one who knows. Nobody else. We will be in touch with you on Monday and then if you think it's okay, I will call him and just say a very few words.

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K: Exactly.

D: Okay. So this I think covers practically everything. Yeah, I think that's all.

K: Good. And then I'll see you at 1:15 at the Embassy. I'll have an answer for you then about the letter and also about the phone message you gave us yesterday. You know, the Brezhnev thing.

D: Oh, yes.

K: But I can tell you now we consider it a very constructive approach to the problem. And I think we are moving in a direction which you will find agreeable.

D: Do you have anything now or not yet any direct approach. I mean, in a sense of arranging meetings or not yet?

K: I told you about it. We're exchanging ideas on it.

D: Yes, I know.

[Break in Tapes]

K: We'll let you know, but it is moving in the direction that was suggested by your leaders of setting a date.

D: Okay.

K: But that is strictly for you. You can tell your leaders that in principle we are very close together on the procedural side -- you will know before, you won't be surprised by anything.

D: Right, I understand. Okay, Henry. Until Monday.

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Dave Kraslow

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K: Hello.

DK: Hi, Henry.

K: Dave, how are you. I was sorry I could not get back to you before I

DK: That is alright. Welcome home.

K: Thank you.

DK: Did you have a good trip?

K: Yes, I had a good trip.

DK: Did you accompalish anything.

K: Well, let's see

DK: Did you make that call.

K: Certainly. But what I wanted to do before I made that call is this.
A very good friend of mine, a really good friend, has now been
made Executive Vice President of NBC.

DK: Walt? or Wall
or Wall

K: Schlosser. And he is replacing/Walt. He will take over in
September.

DK: Wall was made Executive Vice President for News just a few weeks
ago.

K: No, no I mean he is in charge of everything.

DK: I see.

K: He is sort of a counterpart to Stantennow.

DK: Yes. Well you see I went through 2 months of agony with NBC.
The thing was on the verge of fruition for the longest time and
then all of a sudden it just collapsed at the last minute because
of Julius(?) Goodman and Rueben Frank(?). That is why I was

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hesitant to launch into anything with CBS. So you know I don't know that stands.

K: Well, I don't mind calling them both.

DK: Alright, if you could get hold of Stanton however because I have started something with CBS.

K: Alright, I will call on Monday.

DK: Well, do you think it would be possible to reach him this weekend?

K: I will try.

DK: Because there will be a meeting at CBS monday morning affecting me.

K: Alright, I will call him today.

DK: If you could.

K: Certainly.

DK: Do you have any other suggestions, Henry?

K: Well, we let's see how this will come out and I will give it some thought.

DK: Alright. doesn't

K: In any event if CBS can work out, let's go back to the other one.

DK: Right. I shouldn't trouble you with this really.

K: No, God Almighty if you can't call your friends in a situation like this whom are you going to call.

DK: You have a few other things to take care of.

K: Yes, but

DK: Did you have your briefing at the White House today?

K: Yes.

DK: Well, I guess we had somebody there. I don't trouble you with that.

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6/24/72 12:15

HAK: Frank, how are you.

FS: Fine, how are you.

HAK: I'm calling you about a newsman here, I don't usually do this, and I really have no personal interest in him who was bureau chief for the Los Angeles Times and he just called me in Washington that he is being considered by CBS for something. He has been no excessive friend of the Administration so I really have no ax to grind with him.

FS: I understand, what is his name, Henry?

HAK: Dave Kraslow. The reason I am calling you is because I always had the sense if I wanted to get a tough, fair journalist on something, he was the guy I'd get in even though I couldn't be sure he would support us. I have no social contact of any other interest in him.

FS: I appreciate you telling me about it--I didn't know we were talking with him, but I think we had a social but let me mention it.

HAK: I don't even know for what position he is being considered. He doesn't know I'm calling you. There would be no embarrassment to anybody.

FS: Okay fine. Thank you very much for taking the time to call me.

HAK: You promised me you would let me know when you were in town for lunch sometime.

FS: I will. You know in the last two weeks there was a man who was hired to replace me when I retire next spring who died of a heart attack.

HAK: Oh god.

FS: So I was just about to the point in my last year where I had things organized so that he was taking over and now everything is back on top of me so I have been busy--but not as busy as you have been. Are you going to be in twon for a while? (Laughing)

HAK: I am going to the West Coast on next Friday for two weeks with the President. If you could be out there I would be happy to see you.

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FS: Maybe it would be better if I did it out there.

HAK: Well, I'd be more than happy to see you. In fact, I'd be a lot freer out there and more relaxed.

FS: I'll give you a ring-- there is a good chance I may be out there about the 10th of July--I'll be there until the 16th.

HAK: Call me and it would be easy to arrange either in Los Angeles or San Clemente.

FS: Thank you very much.

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6/24/72 12:20

HAK: Hello, the Kalb brothers are dogging my footsteps.

MK: Welcome home once again. It sounds like an interesting trip.
But I won't bother you about that. Listen, We are at that point where
Henry Kissinger himself has become essential and what I wondered
about since I was told by Dick Campbell that your appointment schedule
this week is impossible, do you think that when you go out with the
President to San Clemente that your time pressures would be easier and...

HAK: A hello from you. Yes.

MK: I could fly on out

HAK: It would be a hell of a lot more relaxed. I might squeeze out for
friendship sake a half hour here

MK: But that won't do it.

HAK: No, no. When is that book appearing incidentally?

MK: Evans wants it out in time for your 50th birthday.

HAK: By next May?

MK: Yes.

HAK: Okay. Not many Harvard professors get books written about them.

MK: There is only one.

HAK: What are you going to do if I'm back in Harvard by then?

MK: I think it will be marvelous. I think that by the time you begin
to produce you own, this would just whet everybody's appetite.

HAK: Oh no, no, no, I wouldn't be producing my own that fast.
That isn't what worries me. The subject may be less interesting by then.

MK: Oh, I doubt that. I have a feeling that --Lisagor has already gone
beyond calling you a phenomenon, but now you are a legend.

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HAK: What did he do--I didn't read it.

MK: He had a column on the day that you left last weekend in which he said, let's face it--Kissinger has now gone beyond being a phenomenon he is already a legend. I had done a piece along a similar line before--the night before.

HAK: I didn't see either.

MK: So there is an enormous interest in Evans is on the phone to me about once every three days saying well, how is it going?

HAK: The son-of-a-bitch, one minute he writes me a letter giving me a veto then he is egging you on.

MK: Well, he is very excited and I am terrifically interested in it--I have gone back and done such crazy things like read the meaning of history--

HAK: Oh Jesus--almost unreadable.

MK: I didn't find it that way at all.

HAK: Actually I think it is quite thoughtful

MK: I think it has some excellent ideas in it. I'm am sort of astonished that you could have had the discipline then to have gone through some research. I am getting less astonished as I do more research.

HAK: Guido Goldman asked me whether I would let him talk to you--you picked the right man to talk to at Harvard--he was closer to me as a student and more thoughtful man, so I will encourage him to do it. Let me ask you this, now and then people ask me in whom I have no interest whatsoever that they want to write books; can I tell them one way of calming their interest is to tell them you are doing one, but I didn't know how generally known that was.

MK: Well, I have tried to keep it as closely held a fact as possible, simple for the obvious reason--competitive reason

HAK: Well, I am not aware of anyone who is actually doing one--unless someone is working entirely alone.

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MK: Yeh. Well it is the kind of thing ---

HAK: But I was asked in recent weeks by two people whether--you know the question you asked me, whether I would cooperate with them and there are only so many I could cooperate with even if I wanted to even without having nothing else to do.

MK: (Laughing) That's right.

HAK: Listen I would recommend Marvin that you come out next week.

MK: Great, could I check with someone Henry without bothering you as to what--

HAK: The best is if you would check after I actually get on the ground there.

MK: Fine.

HAK: Say Monday or Tuesday.

MK: Great

HAK: But you know we could spend a couple of hours on my porch in a relaxed way.

MK: That would be sensational. Ernie is going to be covering you --the President out there in any case.

HAK: Oh, so the two of you would be there

MK: So that takes--half of us would be out there. So as soon as Ernie gets some kind of a green light from you I will fly out that night. Okay
Thank you very much Henry.

HAK: Right.

Husqville 1963
The State of the Union
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RN: Henry, how did the briefing go?

HAK: I think it went very well.

RN: Was there a great deal of interest.

HAK: Oh yes, I thought it would be a five or 10 minute thing--they kept me for 45 minutes in the pressroom.

RN: What kind of questions did they ask and what kind did you dodge (laughing)

HAK: I dodged them in a way--I didn't say a damn thing, but I made it sound terribly profound.

RN: Did you get across the point, which I think is very important, you know, that our relations with them are very good--that's the thing.

HAK: Oh yes.

RN: That's the think that I think will really bust or burn the Soviet's ass and also it will make these people.

HAK: Oh yes, I got that across--I said first of all I want to thank--on the President's behalf--the leaders of the People's Republic for the extraordinarily courteous reception we received--then I described our program which in itself has made them a little pop-eyed--Then I said things are moving forward on all fronts--there would be more exchanges, more trade, and then I said

RN: Did you make the point that those initiatives that were offered to the Soviets were offered to them or did you not want to do that?

HAK: I did not want to do that comparison

RN: I see--that is probably just as well, too--burn the ass of the Soviets.

HAK: Well, we don't want to burn the ass of the Soviets.

RN: That's right, that's what I mean.

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HAK: Also it would annoy the Chinese to think that they were sort of lagging behind.

RN: On Vietnam--

HAK: Oh god, about 50%--I said nothing--ever since we came into office, the President has asserted that negotiations were the best way of ending the war--we are proceeding on that course. They said well, will negotiations start soon--you know, I wanted to set up what you were going to say on Friday, so I said gentlemen it is not a question of procedure, it is a question of substance--as soon as we have made some progress of assuring ourselves some substance there will be negotiations and we will then announce it. And we are working on that intensively.

RN: Very good, very good.

HAK: Then, they said, did you discuss it with the Chinese leaders and I said yes at great length, and I said but I want you to understand these are men of principles--they don't share our views on Vietnam but that isn't the problem, the problem is whether with everyone recognizing the need for peace it is possible to find a formula...end tape 1

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K: ... without saying a damn thing.

P: Well, as a matter of fact, things are going on, Henry.

K: Well, of course, Mr. President, something tremendous is going on.

P: Sure, sure.

K: I talked to Dobrynin again this morning.

P: Oh, tell me about that.

K: Slobbering all over me, saying how serious his leaders are and when can I let him know whether we are ready to negotiate. I said on Monday I'll give him an answer. Because I think we should first notify the North Vietnamese. They shouldn't hear it from them.

P: What will the gameplan be there, Henry?

The President of the Republic of Vietnam

Sergeant First Class

Operations Staff

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 92958, Sec. 3.6

TELCORN

The President/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/13/72

K: The gameplan is that Monday we will tell the North Vietnamese we accept the 13th.

P: For a public session.

K: Right. And the 18th or 19th for a private session. They said, will private talks start again, today. I said we never talk about private talks but of course we don't stand on procedural issues; we'll explore every channel.

P: Right. Now when will the announcement of the fact of the public talks be made in your opinion?

K: Well, it's up to you. You should make it on your press conference on Thursday.

P: I think that would be good, don't you?

K: That's what I had planned, if you were willing.

P: Here's what I thought -- that we could make the troop announcement maybe Wednesday low key. How does that sound to you?

K: Excellent.

P: Rather than doing it in the press thing. Otherwise, the interest in the press conference we build up too much. And the troop announcement will go down.

K: Oh, no; I think you should do the troop thing on Wednesday and then follow it on Thursday night -- and I wouldn't make it as a formal announcement.

P: Answer to a question, you mean.

K: Because that would annoy them.

P: Just an answer to a question?

K: Yeah, because you are sure to get it. In any event, you can plant it.

P: Oh, I don't worry, we'll get it and I'll see that it's planted too.

K: Right.

The President of the Republic of the United States of America

TELCONE
The President/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

By: J. M. V. NASA Date: 5/13/72

P: And then I just say, yes; we are going back to public talks on the 13th.

K: On the 13th.

P: Well, you prepare me a little bit of answer on that.

K: Right. Well, another thing is Dobrynin when he talked to me this morning, he had just received a message and he said you -- you remember you told Brezhnev about the grain deal in your last discussion?

P: Yeah.

K: He said they've considered it and there's a man coming over on Tuesday to conclude a grain deal.

P: (laughter) God.

K: You know, that's another result of the China trip.

P: Uh-huh.

K: Cause as soon as we do something to China, they feel they've got to do something towards us. But they want us to keep that secret until it's concluded.

P: That's right; we don't need that now.

K: Well, we get it concluded by the end of July I'm sure.

P: It seems to me that Peterson's trip -- I've just been sitting here as you talked -- should be scheduled right after the Democratic Convention.

K: That's right.

P: We start grabbing the news.

K: That's when we have it scheduled, the 15th.

P: Maybe then cause I won't be back from California till then -- wait a minute, the 15th, that's while their Convention is just ending and that's a little soon. I don't want to have his arrival --

K: We'll put it off a week.

Re: [insert telephone number]
Mr. Smith or Mr. Johnson
President's Office

DECLASSIFIED
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By: K.J. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/72

TELCON
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12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

P: But what I want him to do -- I think what he could would be to -- Because we're going to stay in California over the weekend after the Convention because I've got to meet the Teamsters out there.

K: Right. When are you planning to come back?

P: Tuesday after the Convention. That would be the 17th or 18th or something like that.

K: Right.

P: Which will give a little more time for all of us, we all need that.

K: Oh, God, yes.

P: So Peterson might even come out there but anyway don't have him go. You can give Peterson a ring and say that I thought of this but I don't want him to leave and be in Moscow right at the time the Convention because nobody is going to pay any attention. I want him to go right afterwards.

K: Good. We'll do it a week later. We'll just slip it a week.

P: Or might even slip it 4 or 5 days, that's about all.

K: Right. But it would be useful to announce it say the Tuesday after the Convention and then leave on Friday or Saturday.

P: Right, right.

K: Well, we've got this thing humming now.

P: How is the offensive coming? The Hue offensive. I went out today looking over the disaster areas of Pennsylvania --

K: They've knocked out 22 tanks yesterday.

P: My God, I can't believe it. They're doing something because they knocked up 15 earlier in the week.

K: Mr. President, Abrams has certainly learned one thing. He had 91 B-52 strikes around Hue yesterday.

P: (laughter)

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

TELCON

The President/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

By: KMLV
NASA Data: 5/12/74

K: 91, Mr. President. We had 30 -- that's three times as many as we used to do in all of Vietnam.

P: Is that right?

K: Yeah.

P: I'll bet he's glad that we forced him to take those B-52s, don't you think?

K: Oh, God. That Commander took me around that B-52 base. You cannot believe it. Those B-52s are stacked one on top of another. It is absolutely awe inspiring.

P: Did you meet any of the men?

K: Yes.

P: How's their moral?

K: Tremendous.

P: Is it?

K: Oh, yes. They have a B-52 strike in Vietnam now every 41 minutes.

P: Oh, boy. Listen, Henry, this is punishing these people, believe me.

K: I would say that if these 100 B-52s are dropping their bombs at random without even aiming at anything, they've got to hit something if it's in such a concentrated area.

P: Sure, sure, sure. Well, around Hue -- Well, look what's already happened. Anloc saved. Komtum saved.

K: Yeah.

P: Incidentally, one thing though, Abrams has got to tell Thieu he's got to get that goddamn 21st Division into Anloc. It's just ridiculous; that's becoming a laughing stock, don't you think?

K: Oh, yeah. But we told them every other week, Mr. President. There's something deeply wrong there. He's got to replace that III Corps Commander. I think, incidentally, Mr. President, we ought to send Haig out there for two reasons. One, to give us an assessment. For three reasons. Two, to make sure we and Thieu are together on the

Hanoi, Vietnam, June 24, 1972

Minister of Defense
人民革命軍
人民委員會
Ministerial Order

OCLASSIFIED
E.O. 9203, Sept. 3.6

By: KVL, NARA. Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM
The President/Mr. Kissinger
12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

K: (cont'd) negotiations. And three, it will just show even more activity.

P: Good. I'm all for it and when do you think he should go?

K: I think he ought to go maybe Thursday.

P: Sure. That's good. That announcement can go -- you know what I mean, that'll be very, very good.

K: Just before your press conference, we'll announce it.

P: We'll have so much damn stuff going on, there'll be smoke in their eyes.

K: Exactly. And it's all real too, it's not just maneuvering.

P: I know, I know.

K: Because we have to be, you know, in some sort of agreement with them.

P: Yeah, yeah; that's right. Good. And also to look at the military situation, kick Abrams in the ass a little, and Thieu and the rest. I've been constantly telling -- when the Vietnamese Ambassador left and he said what do you want me to tell our President. I said, just as soon as he can, he must launch some kind of an offensive. You've got to launch an offensive.

K: Right. Well, they're planning that for the 28th.

P: Are they?

K: Yeah.

P: You mean on Quang Tri or what?

K: Yes.

P: You know they might find that there's a lot of paper up there. They may just go.

K: The problem may be we may find them in North Vietnam before the next three months are over.

P: Do you think so?

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6, KHLW, NASA, Date 5/17/72

K: Yeah. I think we ought to let them go.

P: Oh, absolutely. Until we get a settlement.

K: That's right. They are no good on the offensive, that's the only thing that stops this.

P: Well, I know. That's what I thought tanks were for. And we have a lot of tanks out there now, haven't we?

K: Yeah. But they are just not aggressive on the offensive. They are fighting very well on the defensive.

P: Um-humm. I'm worried about SALT. I think that it's important next week that you sort of pick up the threads of that and get Buckley, Jackson and all those guys or the ones you can back of --

K: Well, Jackson has sort of simmered down a lot. Right now he's on a sort of a nitpicking kick.

P: That's right. But having some argument about SALT is fine. Did you get a chance to read what I said about it?

K: Yes, outstanding.

P: Haig's people did a hellva job in preparing the talking points but I added a little. You see, what I'm thinking about is to change the emphasis. To change the emphasis to basically from well, if we don't get this offensive weapons, then I've got to -- then Laird says I've got to oppose this. Well, that gives the impression that this is a bad deal for us.

K: Exactly.

P: We've got to say this deal is good for us period. Good for the security of the United States. But two, the security of the United States also requires the other. And third, if you want real arms limitation, the big step it requires is second. I mean, let's stick it right to them.

K: I think that's exactly right.

P: They didn't ask you about that in your conference today, did they?

K: No.

The President of the Republic of China
and the People of the United States of America

By: K. L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/72

P: Well, then we've probably got that pretty well simmered down

K: There was no question about that. It was all either China or Vietnam.
Oh, they were fascinated. China still is the fascinating --

P: It is, it is.

K: But I think we'll get good stories tomorrow. I didn't go overboard
because I don't want to needle the Russians too much.

P: Oh, no. I'm going to write a handwritten note to Chou En-lai.

K: That would be very good.

P: And, of course, we'll photostat it so you can see it and have a copy.

K: I should get it delivered.

P: Yeah, yeah; that's what I mean. But it will be a handwritten note
and I'll photostat it and you can deliver it. That's one of the grace
notes he'll appreciate.

K: Very much.

P: I don't think the Russians would particularly appreciate one, do you?

K: No, it's no longer necessary with them.

P: However, never fail to find an opportunity to write Brezhnev so that
he feels that he and I are writing.

K: Oh, yeah. No, we owe him a letter now. And I've invited Dobrynin
to come out to the West Coast.

P: Very good. We'll give him a personal message there. I should get
a letter off to Brezhnev every three weeks or so, you know, about just
some damn thing.

K: Right. Oh, there'll be plenty of occasions. I think once we get the
talks started, we ought to do it again.

P: You think we've got Rogers positioned properly?

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12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

K: Oh, yeah. When he left at the airport today, he said there's no sign of any progress on the North Vietnamese.

P: Oh, boy. Oh, that's all right.

K: Actually, he was too tough.

P: He said it was too pessimistic.

K: But that's all right.

P: There's no reason for him to say that because he knows there is going to be progress, doesn't he? We told him.

K: Yeah. Well, he just isn't very subtle.

P: If he said, Look, I'm just not going to talk about it; we're working on it.

K: Well, I left the impression that a hellva lot was going on, Mr. President.

P: With Rogers, Henry, I meant we didn't cover a thing except the real meat. Except, you know, who's going to do what when. We didn't tell him the dates did we?

K: No, no; we'll have to notify him.

P: Well, those must be kept and also the troop withdrawal thing.

K: Well, that you've told him.

P: Yeah. I just wonder if on that -- Well, I think 10,000 is right.

K: We shouldn't do more. We cannot.

P: I don't mean more; I'm thinking of less.

K: Yeah. We've cleared it with Abrams now so we should let it go.

P: Oh, have we?

K: Yeah.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
the phone number of a mutual
Re: [insert telephone number here]

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Secr. 3.5

12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

NAPUA, Date 5/13/04

P: Cause I'm going to be gotten off this kick that it's got to be at a certain number a month, sort of -- you know, they'll react to that but the point is, My God, we've already cut the rate and we're cutting it again.

K: That's right. We've got to as we get down to --

P: Otherwise, we'll be to zero before we know it.

K: That's right.

P: This puts us to about what we have in Korea right now.

K: Exactly. Just a shade below actually.

P: What do we have in Korea?

K: 43,000.

P: Well, see, there we are. Incidentally, that should be a subtle point made when the troop cut thing is done. This means we now have less than in Korea.

K: Yeah. I think that's a good point.

P: I have a feeling this all-volunteer thing. Bill didn't react to it particularly but I think that's mean something to people, what do you think?

K: That means a hellva lot more than troop levels. What people are worried about isn't troop levels but whether their son is going.

P: Even if there's only 6 being killed, if they think, well, he doesn't have to go to Vietnam unless he's a volunteer. I think that's something. It's a very good thing to hit. Well, I hope you get a good rest and see your kids. I'll bet they're excited about going West again.

K: Oh, they are really thrilled by it.

P: When will they come down?

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TELCONE

The President/Mr. Kissinger

12:25 p.m., June 24, 1972

K: Friday morning. I don't know when we are going, Friday?

P: We're going Friday afternoon about 3:00 p.m. or so. I just can't tell till I see how much I have to scrap up because of Congress.

K: Yeah. Well, they're coming Friday morning then.

P: There's a terrible problem with the debt limit and those bastards may stick around and force me to stay a day. But if so, they ought to go out with Bus -- They wouldn't mind staying a day in Washington with you anyway, would they?

K: No, not at all.

P: Have they seen the Pandas?

K: I don't think so.

P: Why don't you plan to take them out to see the Pandas on Friday? Wouldn't that be great?

K: That would be great.

P: There's an idea. You didn't see the Pandas, did you?

K: Yeah, I've seen them.

P: I haven't. But anyway you ought to take your youngsters or maybe we'll have -- I don't think Tricia has seen them -- we'll have Tricia take them out to see the Pandas and that's a hell of a China story.

K: That would be great.

P: Mention that to Bob at his convenience. Everytime we can touch up the China thing, we should touch it up a little.

K: I think that would be terrific.

P: Because when you really come down to it, sure we disagree on Vietnam but this China thing is a lead up back on what we've done in these 4 years. It's still going to be the biggest thing we've done, over the long haul.

K: It's made everything else go.

H. E. T. S. U. A. R. E. C. 1
S. E. A. R. E. C. 2
M. E. C. 3

By: KMLY NASA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Laird/Kissinger (Secure Phone)

6/26/72 - 9:40 a.m.

K: Mel, how are you?

L: Fine, Henry. I understand you are upset about that target that was hit.

K: No, I am upset about the popping off.

L: I will get in touch with John Vogt. He got carried away on his briefing. He'll get in touch with them and stop it. Vogt got the idea the President wanted him to do this from his private meeting with the President before you left. I will shut him off. He believes he is doing what the President told him to.

K: Tell him to announce general targets.

L: That was on the general target list.

K: I thought it was a steel plant.

L: Well, it was but it's a little one. They do the repair work on trucks and things.

K: What I wanted to do with you in general was for you and Tom and me to go over the target list at an early opportunity.

L: We will give a complete briefing on every target if you want it.

K: No, I mean by category. . . . . .

L: Why don't we take the four industrial targets off the list for the time being.

K: What are they?

L: The battery target, a big coal plant, a cement plant that has not been hit and the steel mill. There are only 5 on the whole thing.

K: Take off the cement and the coal plant. The battery plant keep on. Anything directly relevant to the war effort keep on. The thing I want to sort of keep in mind like this. We are going to start negotiating in a month or so and we want to have something left to hit if the negotiations fail. Do you see what I mean?

The President's Office
The White House
Executive Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20505

Publicity Staff

By: K.H. V. NASA Date: 5/13/04

L: Yes, we have got a lot of other targets that aren't on this list.

K: You do?

L: Sure, they aren't hitting every target.

K: Well, that's what I wanted to review with you.

L: We can give you a complete briefing on that.

K: I am not mad at anybody. The briefing - if we could get that slowed down a bit but I am not trying to slow down the bombing.

L: I think they are going to . . . . . . because of the hurricane.

K: Then I would mine the thing.

L: Well, send me a little paper on it because the Chinese may want to go back in there. The ship hasn't left yet.

K: When it leaves I would be in favor of mining it.

L: Well, we will let you know when it leaves.

K: Good. The only concern I have is that now that we are moving into the situation where we have to keep bleeding them but we also have to keep them __________ I wanted to review the target list with you. I don't know that I have an objection to any of these other targets you mentioned. The only targets you should keep off is the cement and coal. The battery I don't care about.

L: Good. And Henry I will shut them up but Vogt thinks he is doing what the President told him to do.

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It is possible that this message has been sent to the wrong address or that it is incorrect.

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K: Well, no. . . advice to the North Vietnamese to be wary?

JK: No, an indication we are going to be wary. We know we were taken in. I mean I would assume they wanted a 54 Conference.

K: Well, I think - don't you try to press us into getting involved positively.

JK: Yeh. And then be stipulating a term that there had to be total withdrawal.

K: Yeh. Well, but you know that's a fairly safe thing to . . .

JK: But total withdrawal, unless I'm wrong, by total withdrawal they don't mean just taking away troops, they also mean - that encompasses for them the fleet as well.

K: But that's not a major obstacle.

JK: I see. What is the major obstacle?

K: The overthrow of Thieu.

JK: It still remains the politics.

K: I think, but we have to wait.

JK: Well, you can tell from the questions they were asking. Were they mainly political questions?

K: Oh, on their part?

JK: Yeh.

K: Well, on their part if you read their public propaganda. I mean their public statements have never been so strong on the political side as the North Vietnamese.

JK: Absolutely.

K: No, no, I think as far as they are concerned they would settle for withdrawal.

JK: Right, but they must have asked some questions. And were the questions political?

It is believed that the report of the
investigation of the事故 is correct.

DECLASSIFIED
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By: K.H. W. NASA Data 5/12/04

K: They were mostly military.

JK: I see. You mean what the ceasefire would mean, what the order of affairs would be?

K: Right. Yes.

JK: Did the Russians ask mostly military questions too?

K: The Russians were more complex but they were too more on the military side.

JK: I see. On the military side meaning does withdrawal mean absence of everybody?

K: No, I mean including more political things. But I don't really want - I mean none of this you should - this is merely for your own background.

JK: I understand that. I know you said that you were uncertain but have you ever seen a time when it looks better?

K: No. Frankly between you and me, no. I just can't say that publicly.

JK: Are there adjustments that have to be made here also?

K: Yeh, but we first have to see what can be put on the table.

JK: What do you hear about Phan Van Dong?

K: That he's very ill.

JK: Very, very ill. That's pretty solid. Because he wasn't there for Podgorny. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

K: I find it hard to know. It's generally assumed that it's Le Duan who is the really intransigent guy.

JK: But the illness of Phan Dong is not . . . .

K: I've always been extremely impressed by Phan Van Dong's intelligence.

JK: That's what everybody tells me. I've never met him but I've been told.

The Times (London) newspaper office
in New York, N.Y.

DECLASSIFIED
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By: KHLV NARA Date: 5/13/04

K: I've never met him but everything of his that I've read struck me as remarkably non-superficial.

JK: Do you think Le Duc Tho got called back not on schedule? That this was something unforeseen?

K: Well, I know almost no more than you do. What was put out was that he was going to Bulgaria. On the other hand, it had never made any sense to me that one could have a major review - which is what Xuan Thuy said they were doing - and make new instructions and send Xuan Thuy back with the instructions and have Le Duc Tho sitting in Paris while this was going on. So if they are seriously considering their situation, I consider all of these positive signs. Plus the fact that they are really not nailing themselves to anything. I mean they are barely engaged in a holding action on their position.

JK: Yeh, there are some things I saw in the FDIS that they're not nailing but that looks like an unhappy reaction.

K: But on Podgorny.

JK: Podgorny and even before. I mean the things that that Police Chief has been saying suggest to me of their getting ready to go back to . . .

K: It's an absolutely murderous decision for them. I mean they've invested twenty-seven years. It's clear now I mean even if McGovern wins, the reason that they bring it off by the skin of their teeth - it's clear now that they made major mistakes. If they had accepted our May 31 proposal last year they could have had everything at a fraction of the cost that they're now investing. The strategy of keeping the Americans in so that we can do their job for them really is so ridiculous.

JK: Although they must have reckoned that that was their vulnerable point. You know having the American ball in the ring was the best option they had.

K: Sure, but you know the rapidity with which they pursued it.

JK: OK, was it your impression that the Chinese were also going through a domestic crisis? I mean there were all these reports about meetings going on. That they were solving domestic problems too.

The President has opened his
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Please hear him!

DECLASSIFIED
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K: Well, you know they were playing games with the local press. Half of those meetings they were reporting meetings that I was involved in. Just judging from the times and other meetings they claimed were taking place at my place never took place.

JK: I see. It didn't have the sense of a whole lot of people in from the provinces deciding who was going to do what.

K: No, but then you know Peking. There's no necessary reason why I would know that.

JK: Was Madame P______ also there?

K: No, she arrived the day after I left.

JK: I see.

K: The Foreign Minister of Ruanda was the only other person and he did not imprint much on my side.

JK: I see. But you didn't have the sense of a lot of other meetings.

K: No and you know again just for your guidance - I'm not eager to have that written - actually this was on the human level. Free from the sense of strain and relationship; by far the best meeting we've had.

JK: That's good.

K: And I'm not - again I never ascribe that to personalities with the Chinese. You know they always have a motive when they do this. They went out of their way to underline that there was no animosity and that our relationships were moving forward.

JK: Was there any comment on the Podgorny visit?

K: Not really. But that part of it I don't want to go into.

JK: Is it clear why Podgorny took so long to get there.

K: No, you mean why he stayed a day in Calcutta?

JK: No, why he left Moscow so late?

K: I don't know.

H. W. S. M. H. S. U. S. A. T. A. S. U. S. A. U. S. A.

By: K.L.V. NASA Date: 5/12/74

TELCOM

Kay Graham/Kissinger

10:50 a.m. - 6/26/72

K: Hello.

G: Hello, Henry.

K: Kay, how are you?

G: Aren't you the whirling ______?

K: I certainly have been.

G: Aren't you unconscious, Henry?

K: Well, I tell you I don't know what time zone I'm in anymore.

G: Listen, can I lend you the health center. Do you ever want to go there?

K: Aren't you sweet.

G: You must be so desperate.

K: Well, I'm going to the West Coast with the President at the end of this week, but I'll be back the middle of July. After that I'd be delighted.

G: OK, I'll be here except for the Democratic Convention week. Maybe the Democratic Convention maybe you want it.

K: That week I'll be on the West Coast.

G: Then I guess I'll be here. But you can come with me, I'd love to have you down. Wouldn't that be nice?

K: That'd be very pleasant.

G: That's what we must do.

K: That would be good.

G: Say, 2 or 3 or 4 days. You know it's quite fun walking and sort of they have a pond.

K: Well, I've been told it isn't a hardship post.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
Is Mr. Smith at home?

By: K.L. NASA Date 5/12/04

G: Well it isn't. The only thing is my dazzling self is going to be gone a month but . . so that won't be as good as it should be.

K: Then, of course, I won't even consider going.

G: It won't matter. Anytime you want to go and any way you want to go - if it isn't Nancy just have whoever you want.

K: You are very sweet. I appreciate that.

G: Because I really have been thinking about you and been thinking you must be going insane.

K: It's been a hectic month. Kay, I wondered whether before I went away you might want to have lunch.

G: Oh, I'd love to, Henry.

K: Like tomorrow.

G: You know I'll be in New York on Tuesday and probably Wednesday. Is Thursday any good - or Friday?

K: I think it is.

G: Oh, I'm going to Long Island Friday at noon but I'd stay over.

K: Let's aim for Thursday.

G: Thursday would be heaven.

K: Good. Shall we meet at the Sans Souci?

G: Yes, or if you don't want to meet at the Sans Souci which is always the scene. I mean I'm perfectly happy to go there but we could also do it at the Post or do it at home. What about at home?

K: That'd be fine too, but that isn't the idea. I wanted to take you somewhere.

G: All right. But you know it's always a sort of who's writing us up at Sans Souci. They're sort of gay sometimes.

["CLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6", "H. E. T.gov't. D. O. Rep. to. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1.

The President's Office in Washington, D.C.
the State of the Union
President's Desk

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sect. 3.6

By: KML V

NASA Date 5/12/04

4

K: Absolutely and we'll meet Thursday at the Sans Souci then.

G: Yeh.

K: Terrific. 1 o'clock.

G: Terrific. Listen, I've been phoning at home and flying blind so I don't have my date book but unless Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary are having me on Thursday - together.

K: Together, separately won't do it.

G: Separately won't do it unless I am bound into something like a speech.

K: Right, then we'll find another time because I'd like to see you before I go. All the more so because I have nothing very concrete to discuss -it'd be just friendship.

G: Henry, thank you. I'll see you Thursday.

K: I look forward to it.

A. M. E. T. C. of the open class
11th, Dec. 1959, 2:00 p. m.

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.6

By: K.L. W. NAVA, Date: 5/12/64

TELCONE

Kay Graham/Kissinger

10:58 a.m. - 6/26/72

K: Hello.

G: Henry, do you know what the maddest thing was. It's not
Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary but it is Roy Wilkins whom
Roger asked me to ask and we have been trying six months.

K: Don't you know that I just found out that I have agreed to speak at the Foreign Service Association.

G: Oh, isn't that relieving. So I'm not breaking it. You know Roy. . .

K: No, no, you cannot break Roy. Well, I'm free Wednesday or
Friday, but Friday you're going away.

G: Friday I'm going away but I'll tell you what - let me try to juggle it. It's July 4th weekend. If I can get on the later plane. I was going up with Joe Kraft to stay with Polly and Joe and if I can get Joe to take the later plane and also get myself on the later plane which I'd love to do. It would be much more fun to have lunch with you. Let me check it out and get back to your secretary. May I?

K: Sure.

G: And is Friday really all right.

K: Yes, that's fine unless the President decides to leave early.

G: Oh, I bet he's going to. Henry, rather than juggle all this because you know what it's like traveling later in the day I think maybe I'd better get off. Could I come by the office and just have a visit or have a drink?

K: Sure, when?

G: Anytime. I'm coming back Wednesday night. I'll be at Joe's. You're not going to be at Joe's Wednesday night?

K: No. Let's see. . .

Hqustion 3. How is the open to
get the News of the day?

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3-6

By: K.L.Y. NASHA, Date: 5/12/04

G: So then it gets to Thursday or Friday night. Thursday afternoon late? No, because you never get out. Let me just come by the office.

K: Breakfast. Do you ever do breakfast?

G: Yes, Love to do breakfast.

K: Let's have breakfast on Friday.

G: That's the greatest! Now, do you want to come here? Or do you want me to go to the White House Mess? I'll do anything.

K: No, that's awful.

G: Come here - that would be the best.

K: Here is your house?

G: Yes. I just happen to be phoning here for some idiot reason. As early as you want?

K: 8 o'clock? No, I can't do it either because I think . . . When are you coming back?

G: Wednesday afternoon.

K: Let's say. . .

G: Listen Henry, don't push it. We'll meet when you get back.

K: It's really ridiculous, isn't it?

G: Isn't it nuts? Don't let's try because really to push something in when you have too much to do is not necessary.

K: I agreed to do breakfast with . . . No, we can probably have a drink Thursday evening.

G: Well, see how it works out.

K: Let's aim for a drink Thursday evening.

The President's Office
The White House
The President's Desk
PRESIDENT'S DESK

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Seci. 3.5

By: K.M.L. NASA Date: 5/13/04

G: All right. Now wait a minute - what am I doing Thursday evening? Are you busy Thursday?

K: I am not, but there is a slight chance that I may be preempted by the President.

G: Well, listen if you're not preempted by the President why don't we just have a dinner here.

K: OK.

G: Liz is now calling the office. I have my calendar there. I don't want to just make another date we have to break. (Pause) Henry, it's perfect and if you zonk out on me it doesn't matter because I don't have anything I'm breaking. I'm going to be home, I'm going to be quiet and if you come late, fine and if you don't come at all, fine. But let's try.

K: Good. I'm sure I can do it if I come late.

G: Yes, of course, come late.

K: Good. Well, let's aim for Thursday evening.

G: As late as you want. I mean we can have dinner 8, 8:30, 9, 9:30, anytime.

K: Terrific.

G: Good. That's the greatest.

K: That's even better.

G: Wonderful. Thank you.

K: Bye.

Re: [insert telephone number here]
to the State of California
P.O. Box 677

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12939, Sec. 3.5

Telcon

Joe Alsop

6/26 - 12:19

K: Hello.

A: Hello Henry.

K: Joe.

A: I am told that you are very angry with me.

K: Well I tell you for me to be away for a week with you loose here is not easy.

A: Well I would like to come and see you and get my rebuke.

K: Your first column killed me with the colleagues and your second ruined me with the Chinese especially since I had made another special appeal to them to let you come.

A: Well I've got my visa that is alright.

K: So they have every reason to think that you are rather close to me.

A: I don't think that bothers the Chinese. I don't want to be attacked anymore than I want.

K: But they don't want to talk about.

A: Well they don't want to talk about you. Well let me come to you and your convenience.

K: There is really no point in having a discussion about it because you know it is done.

A: I tried to be awful careful Henry in both cases but they were very important facts.

K: The first one is embarrassing to me here but the second one is effectively extremely dangerous.

A: So is 175,000 in export to the border extremely dangerous in my opinion.

["OECIASSIFIED", "E.O 12958, Sect. 3.6", "H. E. T. S. A. S. C. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1

Telcon
Clark MacGregor

6/26 - 12:35 pm

Re: Meeting with the President of the Republic of Portugal

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

By: K.L. V. HAFIA, Date: 5/12/04

K: Hello.

M: Henry, Clark.

K: Yes Clark.

M: How are you sir?

K: Okay.

M: You and I talked Saturday about your meeting with

K: Yeah I haven't heard from him yet.

M: It is very important if you would try to reach him again if
you would please because Bob Byrd and Hugh Scott are kind
of waiting to see whether we can put this thing in motion,
otherwise Bob Byrd feels that he has got to bring up the
Mansfield amendment.

K: Okah.

M: He is willing to wait until you have had a chance to talk to
key Foreign Relations Committee members.

K: Oh now we have two separate problems: (1) should I offer
a meeting with the Foreign Relations Committee which I will
do.

M: Yes I think it ought to be breakfast tomorrow morning.

K: Well let's not go that hurriedly.

M: Take a look at my memo to you that I sent in to you at 1:00 on
Saturday. Call your staff and see if you could see the memo
I sent in to you.

K: You mistake your angle a little higher than they throw your
memos within a week, as it is it is a month.

M: Well you will just have to upgrade your executive situation
in your own office.

K: Well if he brings up Mansfield can we defeat it?

Telcon
Clark MacGregor

6/26 - 12:35 pm

By: K.L. W. NASHA, Date: 5/13/04

M: Couple of ______ and a few others ______ little depends upon what you say. If you say that the passage of Mansfield would be extremely damaging then I think we can defeat it.

K: Yeah but look if that is your objective why meet with the Foreign Relations Committee why not get together a group of people on your own.

M: Read my memo will you, it covers both points. If it is lost there some place I will bring you a copy.

K: Okay well what is your preference, committee or key

M: With a few/senators is my preference.

K: Well you get together the key senators and make them outside of the committee too.

M: Alright when can you do it.

K: Then I will do it for breakfast if you organize it.

M: Can you do it for breakfast tomorrow morning?

K: Yeah but do it low key.

M: We will do it very low key.

K: Make a good representation from outside the committee then I can still offer Fulbright the Foreign Relations thing and let him run it.

M: Right. I will and I will get a list into you within fifteen minutes of whom I am inviting. It will be both within and without of the committee both democrats and republicans. Okay tomorrow morning at 8:30 in the conference dining room.

K: Good.

M: Okay Henry, Bye

The President's Office
The State Department
P.O. Box 613

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sept. 3.5

Telcon
Foreign Secretary Rabasa

6/26 - 12:40 pm

K: Hello

R: Hello

K: Mr. Foreign Minister.

R: Henry

K: Yes how are you.

R: Fine Henry. Well I was speaking with my President last
night and he told me to call you specially to convey his
deepest appreciation for the intervention that you had in
our problems. He is very very pleased with his visit
to the United States.

K: Aren't you nice.

R: He is very very pleased with President Nixon the speech
he delivered, how he treated him the real red carpet treatment
that he feels like a real friend not speaking only diplomatically
but really and truthfully within. I have explained all the wonderful
things that you have done for us and how we could achieve something
thanks to your efforts, so he is very happy with the President with
the United States with you he wanted me to convey that expression
to you. I also Henry want to say thanks - a million thanks.

K: It was a pleasure to work with you. And you know how much
importance we attach to this relationship. I did it for ourselves.

R: Well now that both commissioners are working the Ministers have
to find - the only thing that is lacking is the representative the
President is going to appoint for the story of this
problem. Henry you could remind him very respectfully about
this I would appreciate it.

K: That will be done within the next two weeks.

R: Thank you very much Henry again. Thank you for everything
I will call you sometime I want to go over to Washington just
to chat with you.

K: It would be a pleasure. You let me know when you come.

["H. J. S. H. J. S. H. H. J. S. H. H. J

November 1, 1968, the open file

The Vice President's Office

Revises Draft

By: K.M.W. / NASA Date: 5/13/64

when

K: Well, /you are ready to talk mechanics with him you can talk to him; otherwise you can - I mean you can talk to him about how it is to be set up otherwise you can let me know and I will then get it in to the channels.

H: I can say at this stage because we haven't been as busy in other activities as have you that I have had two or three conversations with the Minister that the Prime Minister has nominated as the appropriate one to discuss these things with the United States authorities and that's Mr. Peppin (sp. ?) . . . . . be Trade and Commerce.

K: Oh, yes. He's a lively one.

H: He's a very personable guy.

K: Yeh, I know him. I like him.

H: Yes, he was the one at the table at the Governor General's that evening. And he would be very grateful for an opportunity to talk to the new Treasury Secretary in a direct fashion if this is possible.

K: Well, Secretary Shultz is ready.

H: Good. And he hopes that this will be more than just an hour or a two hour session. He feels that if each is possessed of all the information and background necessary that while it need not or might not be possible to lead to a total agreement in the course of a single day's meeting that at least it will set the foundation and groundwork to permit a very rapid conclusion to be pursued.

K: Well, wouldn't it be best then if he get in touch with Mr. Shultz directly?

H: Yes, if that's acceptable to you perhaps you'd be good enough to tell Mr. Shultz to expect a call from Peppan (sp. ?). That would be most appropriate from your point of view?

K: Yes, why don't we do it that way. You have Mr. Peppan call Mr. Shultz.

H: I would just as soon if you don't mind, keep Flanigan out of this thing partly because of the oil which is really a separate issue and if the ________ ? ________ can meet themselves without any intermediary I would hope that that would be best.

Re: a phone call with a friend in Chicago
and a few moments on the train
between two commercial
Prairie Steelmen

By: KHLW

NASA Date: 5/12/04

K: That's entirely feasible. Why don't you do that?

H: OK, we'll do it that way then.

K: Good.

H: We'll be calling Mr. Shultz then, I think, tomorrow. Is that OK?

K: That'll be fine.

H: Very good indeed then and I hope our channel can be used if it's necessary.

K: Oh, absolutely. No question. That was what I thought we had agreed to in April.

H: That was our understanding. Right. OK, well I'm glad to hear your voice and know that you're back on this side of the water. A less temporary time, I hope on this occasion.

K: Well, we're going out to the West Coast next week but at least we're going to stay in the United States. And the whole operation is moving out there.

H: Oh, is it - for the summer?

K: No just for two and a half weeks.

H: Oh, I see. You keep your razor well packed.

K: My time zone is all screwed up.

H: So thank you very much for calling. We'll put them in touch and I hope we have a chance to see one another in the not too distant future.

K: I would enjoy that.

H: Very good. Fine, thank you Henry.

The President's Office in the Executive Office Building

The State of the Union Address

By: K.L.Y. NASA Date: 5/12/72

TELCOM

Henry Brandon/Kissinger

1:00 p.m. - 6/26/72

K: Hello.

B: Henry.

K: How are you?

B: Oh, fine. I was just wondering you might not have an evening some time this week.

K: Not easily. Let me see . . . no as a matter of fact I don't unless the President decides not to go until Saturday in which case I'd be free Friday.

B: Well, is there any other way of getting together.

K: Let's see whether we can have lunch.

B: All right.

K: Let me call you this afternoon.

B: All right.

K: Good. I'd like to see you before I leave.

B: I'm hard at it - keeping this entire week free. All the evenings are free. I'm just racing along.

K: Good. I'll call you.

OCLASSIFIED

E.O 12958, Seci. 3.6

~~Telcon~~
Frank Sinatra
~~6/26 - 3:30 pm~~
E.00000000000000000000000000000000

Telcon
Frank Sinatra

6/26 - 3:30 pm

K: Hello
S: Hello Henry.
K: Frank how are you?
S: Oh couldn't be better - how are you?
K: Okay, I've missed talking to you.
S: Yeah I've missed talking to you too, but you are always so busy all the time that I didn't want to bother you.
K: Well I have been running around but I am staying put now.
S: How is everything?
K: It is getting along fine. When are you going to be back?
S: Well I'll get back for that stupid hearing in early July.
K: You are coming back for it.
S: Oh yes sure.
K: I'll be out on the West Coast for two weeks starting next week.
S: Starting next week. No I won't be back by then but I will catch you when I come down there.
K: I will be in Washington from about the 16th on.
S: Well listen are you making any headway with those people are they going to back-off of that God-damn war or what?
K: I think we are making progress.
S: I hope so.
K: We are definitely making progress.

By: KHL
NARA. Date: 5/12/04

Re: Telcon, Frank Sinatra
Re: Secretary's Macs

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12938, Sec. 3.6

Page 2

S: Are you in good health?

K: I am in fine shape.

S: Well me too it is beautiful out here.

K: That is what your secretary told me that you were in ________

S: Oh it is just marvelous Henry - it is so beautiful and I am so brown I look like a beach baby.

K: I've never been down there - I have always been heard good things about it.

S: Oh it is sensational down there.

K: It must be - well life eases up sometimes.

S: I'll call you in a few days ________

K: Will you do that? Alright nice to talk to you.

S: Alright Henry.

K: Bye

S: Bye bye

By: KLSW NAFIA, Date: 5/12/04

OECIASSIFIED

E.O 12959, Sect. 3.6

Telcon
Senator Javits

6/26 - 3:35 pm

K: Hello

J: Henry

K: Jack how are you.

J: I assume you have been to San D B San Palo to throw them off the track.

K: Well we have got to surface that slowly.

J: Listen you did such a superb job the other day.

K: You were so nice to write me a note.

J: It was even cruel to ask a question except I wanted you to know that I was there.

K: It was a fair enough question.

J: everyone agreed. It was unbelievable.

K: Aren't you nice.

J: Absolutely unbelievable. Nelson and I were in to see the President for quite some length while you were away and he seems determined to carry New York if he can.

K: We are doing our utmost. Do you think he can?

J: I think he can. I think he can against McGovern I think he would have a much harder time against some other democratic candidate but I think the decimal counting of McGovern will be very high. But the vote count won't be so good. I was just up state yesterday organizing our forces and that is my judgment.

K: Terrific.

J: He was very interested, which was the first thing I thought we needed to know. that he really wanted to do it because there may be some policy decisions which would be affected in that way. He gives every evidence of really wanting to get it.

OCLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sept. 3.5

Telcon
Senator Javits

6/26-3:35 pm

Page 2

6/26 7:00 AM NASHA, Date 5/12/04

K: That's been my impression.

S: That he feels he ought to have one or more of the industrial states. So we will do our best for him and he has helped us a lot by his attitude, he gave us the money for mass transit in New York which didn't hurt. We had a nice time with him. Henry, I called you for two purposes - one, you wanted me to remind you that I will be going to Israel next week.

K: I have already talked to Rabin and told him that you are not just another traveller.

S: Good. The next thing is you remember I told you my troubles about getting a French member for this NATO exercise. I am still in trouble and I am going to stop in Paris and try to resolve it and the question I wanted to ask you. Do you know the man the French Government is apparently insisting on a man named Habib Delaunka(?) You know him at all?

K: I don't know him.

S: Do you know anybody who does. He is a former Minister of State.

K: I know who he is.

S: He edits the Gaulles(?) Newspaper and he is bad news I know but I have never seen the man and at least I want to get somebody who knows something about him.

K: I wonder if Gavin(?) knew him when he was Ambassador of France but that was a long time ago.

S: Yes that was a long while ago. Well Dick may know him. I think I may give myself a few days a few hours really I won't have a few days and try to see this guy. I have to see him and I may have to take him. But before I swallow that fishhook I at least wanted to get a little line on it. I think that would be good. I tried to get Luey Jokes(?)

The telephone call is the open door to
the mind, where all is possible.
Reproductive Sex!

By: K.L. W. NASA Date: 5/12/04

Page 3

K: He is still fairly gallows but at least he is a reasonable guy.

S: I have been frustrated at every turn and now I finally wanted to talk to you before I finally decided - I am now really up against the following proposition and I would value your advice. To have no French representative at all or do I take a fellow that is going to write me a minority report and give me trouble all the way but yet he is there and he is their man.

K: I tell you whom you might ask who I would have a lot of confidence in though he is a Britisher - his name is Michael Palliser, who is now British Ambassador to the Common Market.

S: Alright.

K: He is married to Spock's daughter he was a DCM in the British Embassy and he no doubt one day be head of the British Foreign Office. He is one of the two or three top British foreign officers I have ever met - a really thoughtful guy. He thinks like you do you know, he would be very sympathetic to your objectives.

S: Well I am going to Brussels to see Spock.

K: Well if you go to Brussels to see Spock tell him to produce his son-in-law.

S: I will call this guy because I need to know before but what do you think about the idea of having even a Frenchman that will give me a lot of trouble.

K: I think you have to have a Frenchman.

S: That is all you need to tell me, then I will suffer with it.

K: Right, unless it turns into a real disaster, unless the guy is so obnoxious and Palliser can tell you that. Almost on any basis I would have a Frenchman.

S: Very good. I'll go at it now.

Re: [goddesses] How are you doing? Hi Henry.
I'm doing well, thank you. How about you?

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12958, Sec. 3.5

By: K.H. W. NASA Date: 5/13/04

Telcon
Senator Fulbright

6/26 - 3:40pm

K: Hello

F: Henry welcome back.

K: Mr. Chairman how are you?

F: Oh I am alright, how are you?

K: Okay.

F: Didn't get a bug?

K: No in China one rarely gets them.

F: Good.

K: I called you to ask whether you thought it might be interesting or useful for me to meet with your committee this week, you know on the basis of these trips on an informal basis.
Alternatively of course I would be delighted to meet with you alone.

F: Well, I think it would be good because you know how I feel about it. I spent the morning trying to support agreements.

K: Well you have been very very helpful on that.

F: We had three very good witnesses. There was very little fuss there, I km don't know they don't seem to take these very serious. But they are all supportive of the agreement and asked for delay and consideration on the ________.

K: But if you wanted me to talk about the trip and so forth or where we stand in your judgment, if you wanted say breakfast some morning we could have it here in the executive dining room.

F: I don't know whether you can get them out in the morning. We have meetings scheduled at 10:00 both tomorrow and the next day. How about 4:00 or 5:00 pm or something like that on Wednesday?

K: Wednesday? I couldn't do that.

F: Thursday?

K: Thursday, I could do it at that time.

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12458, Sept. 3.6

If you have any questions about this or the content of this message, please call.

Telcon
Senator Fulbright
6/26 - 3:40 pm

By: KM.Y
NASA Date: 5/12/04

Page 2

F: Let me take a look at that. Oh my my daughter's family is here and they are leaving at 5:00 I pretty near have to take them to the airplane.

K: They are leaving from where? National?

F: Thursday, they are leaving from, let's see in fact they are leaving at 5:30. That makes it awful hard for me because my wife you know has been in the hospital for two weeks.

K: No, what's wrong.

F: Oh she has got a staph infection in her blood and they are having a hell of a time getting rid of it. They are afraid of it because of her heart. She has been down to Doctor's Hospital for a little over two weeks. I have been going there every day.

K: I am distressed to hear that. What hospital did you say?

F: Doctors. It is a well it is just that she has a bad heart. Because it is very dangerous - it is very necessary that they get rid of the thing.

K: She is not in immediate danger?

F: It isn't that it is what the infection does to your heart. They think it is dangerous in the sense that it creates a growth on your heart. And if one of them takes off it does kill you. It could happen later except they think it is damn important to get rid of it.

K: Well I hope that it will straighten out. I could do it tomorrow probably.

F: Tomorrow afternoon? Well let me see. How does 5:30 suit you?

K: I'll make it.

F: Well you ought to do it. I have a meeting at 4:00 but it ought to be through by 5:30.

K: Could we do it at Blair House?

The 1960s were the golden age of
Sen. RF Fulbright's political
 career. He was a member of
the Senate from 1952 to 1964.

Telcon
Senator Fulbright

6/26 - 3:40 pm

By: KMLV NARA, Date: 5/12/04

F: Is it out of bounds -- they are expecting votes -- they are try to get through all kinds of bills this last week.

K: Could we do it in your office?

F: Would that suit you?

K: Well probably our legal eagles are going to scream.

F: It won't be in the committee room.

K: But you can invite an old friend for a drink.

F: Why don't you come for a drink. You know that big office where we had lunch one day? Well that is off away from the committee room you can come in that middle door and you should be able to get in without any press seeing you. You know how you did before?

K: I get my office to check with you to work it out again.

F: It is the best room because it is away from the committee and it is my private room and we can just come by for a drink.

K: Let's do that I'll come by for a drink with your committee.

F: At 5:30?

K: Is that a good time for you?

F: It is the best there is and also the beauty of it is that if they do have votes they can go in and vote from there.

K: Okay well I'll come at 5:30 and we will just have an inf ormal session.

F: A number of them will be reluctant to go away because they're having votes they are trying to get through appropriation bills and all that before the recess on Friday.

K: Right. I'll make it. 5:30 in that office.

The President of the Republic of the Philippines

Telcon
Ambassador Khan

6/26 - 3:55 pm

6/26 1976 JML V NASA Date 5/12/04

K: Hello

Amb K: Welcome back to Washington.

K: Thank you Mr. Ambassador. I remember you started it all.

Amb K: How did it go? I hope well.

K: Very well and we talked about you with great warmth. I mean about your country.

Amb K: Thank you very much that was very kind. When can I see you?

K: Let's get my office to call you but definitely before I go off.

AMB K: There is such a lot I just want to clear with you just for my own thinking.

K: We must get together.

Amb K: What I am suggesting since we both have to eat sometime to survive and I know how busy you are. Would it be better if I said that we have dinner together or something.

K: The trouble is that I am not free for dinner any night this week.

Amb K: Well in that case I leave it to you.

K: I will call you.

Amb K: I will wait for your call then.

K: And you can count on it this week.

Amb K: I know how busy you are. I look forward to hearing from your office.

K: You have been a good friend and we won't forget what you have done.

Amb K: So have you and I can't thank you enough - the great sympathy you have always extended. So I will be very happy to ______ to come and see you.

The President's Office
in the State of California
P.O. Box 659

DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 1299, Sept. 3.6

By: KMLV NARA Date: 5/12/04

TELCOM

Ken Rush/Kissinger (Secure Phone)

4:10 p.m. - 6/26/72

R: Hello.

K: Ken, do you have anyone on the line? Monitoring I mean?

R: No.

K: Ken, I have a very delicate thing on which I wanted your judgment. The Chinese have invited Schroeder (?) because they wanted to take up some contacts with the Germans and basically their policy in Germany is close to ours in the sense they want them to be strong and so forth.

R: That's very interesting.

K: Now they think it would be helpful to them if I talked to Schroeder before he went over there and tell him he should let his hair down and give him some pointers. Now the way the German's leak. . . . Is there some way you can get Schroeder to call and say he wants to talk to me?

R: Schroeder is in the doghouse. . . . . . . . . . on the ratification of the Moscow agreement.

K: They want the most nationalistic . . .

R: He may be the one in that regard but his influence is way down. As a matter of fact I have a memo from Jacques Dean that the news release just barely . . . . . . . . . . . but in any event Schroeder played the hardline.

K: Who else could they have?

R: If they wanted the opposition there would be Bahr (?)

K: I don't want to get into the question whether they made a mistake by inviting Schroeder.

R: Oh, they have invited him?

K: Yes. Can you do it in a way that the Russians don't know my hand was in it?

["DECLASSIFIED", "E.O. 12050, Sec. 3.5", "Re: [U] [U] [U] [U] [U] [U] [U] [U]

A. M. E. T. S. T. E. C. L.
S. S. E. C. L.
U. S. A.

CLASSIFIED
E.O 12938, Sect. 3.5

TELCOM

Senator Jackson/Mr. Kissinger

6:05 p.m., June 26, 1972

J: Henry, Scoop, how are you?

K: Scoop, how nice to hear from you.

J: China still there?

K: It's still there. I gained 4 pounds again.

J: You got to watch that chop suey.

K: I'll tell you, I've never seen chop suey there to tell you the truth.

J: (laughter) That was invented in San Francisco, you know.

K: Was it really?

J: Yes, seriously. Chop suey is American-Chinese innovations.

K: Well, I've never seen it there.

J: They brought their talents with them I guess. But didn't bring them back to China. Henry, I'm calling -- I had a meeting with Trudy Silver who married this fellow, Sapiro (sp?). You know, the case in Moscow.

K: Oh, yes, yes.

J: And you remember the Rabbi from here -- from Silver Spring, Maryland, I believe -- went over and there was a Jewish marriage. It seems to me, you know, that something can be done quietly. I've refrained from saying anything publicly. I'm trying to help her but it can only be done at the White House level. I mean, you can't do it through the regular State Department channels. But something ought to be done on this case because it's one of tremendous symbolic --

K: Is that the girl whose husband was arrested at the airport after she had left?

J: That's right. The facts are she married ______ Sapiro (sp?) who is a chemical engineer. His father and mother are physicists. They were married in Moscow by a Rabbi that Trudy Silver (who is from Cincinnati) brought over. He was arrested moments after her visa expired and as she left the airport to return. The bad part of

Re: what's the point of going to school if you're not going to use it

President John F. Kennedy

CLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5

By: K.L.Y. NAVA Date: 5/13/04

TELCORN
Senator Jackson/Mr. Kissinger

6:05 p.m., June 26, 1972

J: (cont'd) this thing is they've trumped up the charge of draft evasion, you know.

K: Yeah.

J: They did this with a number of the intellectual and dissents. He is going on trial on Friday and of course, you know, once the trial is held, they'll not back down. And in view of the spirit of Moscow, why maybe something can be done. Because I think it's not just this case but you know the whole --

K: I'll talk to Dobrynin if you don't say that I'm doing it.

J: No, I won't say it. But I think really they ought to do something on this one. They could just quietly -- not go ahead with the trial -- and quietly let him out of the country.

K: I'll talk to Dobrynin about it.

J: No, I'm not going to make a speech on the floor or that sort of thing but will you see if you can't?

K: I promise you that I will.

J: Yeah.

K: And I will call you and let you know what --

J: Let me know.

K: Their first reaction will be violent but let's see whether we can a second one.

J: All right. Right, you've got the facts there anyway.

K: Oh, yes, I've got the facts.

J: John Lehman has the dope too.

K: And he'll know it anyway.

J: Right. Very good, Henry.

K: Good, Scoop. Nice to talk to you.

J: Right, bye.

Reproduced from the open files
of the Nixon Presidential
Materials Staff

By KHLW NARA, Date 5/12/04

TELCOM

Mrs. Mosbacher/Mr. Kissinger

6:16 p.m., June 26, 1972

M: Hello, Henry, how are you?

K: Okay, Pat, distressed that you're leaving.

M: I'm so sad. Isn't it awful?

K: Well, they'll get you back.

M: I wanted to tell you -- You got a second?

K: Yeah.

M: Can I take you away from the world for a minute?

K: Certainly.

M: The President wrote Buzz a marvelous letter.

K: Isn't that nice.

M: And then on the bottom he wrote in longhand, "We will meet often in a non-protocol way but only if you bring Mrs. Kissinger with you." Isn't that marvelous?

K: That's great.

M: And Earl Wilson in the Post. Have you read that?

K: No.

M: I mean in the New York Post. He says, "Harold O'Connor in his popular act in the Vegas Riviera uses this line, 'If anything happens to Kissinger, Nixon becomes President.'"

K: (laughter)

M: How about that?

K: Oh, that's going to be great for me here.

M: (laughter) Don't you get the New York Post.

K: Don't you show that Haldeman.

By: KH V NARA, Date: 5/12/04

TELCON
Mrs. Mosbacher/Mr. Kissinger
6:16 p.m., June 26, 1972

M: If you see any New York Posts, hide them (laughter). I may tap on your window pane in the next day or two and if you're there, I'd love to come in and see you for a few minutes.

K: Oh, you must.

M: We'll see you always I hope.

K: Oh, certainly.

M: I know you understand the situation.

K: Well, I understand it but I consider it temporary.

M: I hope so, I hope so. I hope I can see you in the next day or two, Henry, when I come back.

K: Good.

M: Thank you.

K: Will you?

M: I will.

K: Good.

M: I will. Thanks a million.

K: Thank you for calling.

M: Bye, bye.

The President's Office in the Senate

The Senate of the Republic of the Philippines

Approved Dec. 16

DECLASSIFIED

E.O. 1296, Sept. 3.6

TELCOM
Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger
8:30 p.m., June 26, 1972

By: K.L. V NASA Date: 5/12/72

L: Hello, Henry.

K: Yes, Mel.

L: How are you?

K: Okay.

L: Everything's going all right. You don't have any more problems do you?

K: No, everything is fine.

L: Okay. I was concerned leaving town and having you in kind of a state of heat.

K: I wasn't. Who gave you the idea I was in such a state of heat?

L: Well, Al kinda gave that idea. That you were kind of upset about Johnny Vogt's briefing.

K: Oh, no, no, no. No, I just wanted us to get clear. I think what we should do is clobber the bejesus out of everything that supports their immediate war-making abilities.

L: Yeah.

K: But leave them a few things.

L: When I get back Friday morning, Henry.

K: But I wasn't in a state of heat. I just didn't want us to go into it without thought. Because you are now getting to where it requires some surgical skills.

L: Well, we'll have breakfast on Friday morning and go over the whole thing.

K: What I was in heat about was -- you know, I had asked Al to schedule a meeting for this morning and I hadn't realized -- I thought you were leaving this afternoon. I hadn't realized you were leaving already in the morning.

Re: phone call with the open line
to the State of California
Publications Staff

CLASSIFIED

E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.6

By: K.L. Ly

NARA. Date: 5/13/04

TELCON
Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger

8:30 p.m., June 26, 1972

L: Well, the meeting started this afternoon.

K: I see.

L: I understand they are giving us kinda of a bad time. That Shultz and Cap Weinberger went in there today.

K: Yeah. But whatever was decided -- I didn't know that. If I had known it, I would have gone in with them.

L: God, I wished you had been there, Henry.

K: Well, Goddammit, they didn't tell me. It's just lousy staff work.

L: Well, I heard through my Bureau of my Budget people that they were in there just raising hell about this thing and by God we can't have that, Henry.

K: Mel, it will not happen. If it happens --

L: I don't like people running around left-hand like that.

K: Well, it's outrageous because I should be in with them.

L: Yeah.

K: And this shouldn't be made as a fiscal decision.

L: Well, I'm getting goddamn mad about it because I would have flown back if I had known that was going on but I just heard about it through my budget people.

K: Mel, I heard about it at 6 o'clock from Haig.

L: The OMB people in the Pentagon tell my people all about this damn meeting and it's not good.

K: I will get it reversed tomorrow I promise you, if, indeed, the decision went against you.

L: Okay.

K: But I am totally on your side on this.