DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Dalo 5/26

TELCON
Flanigan/Kissinger
8:50 am 8/11/70

F: UN Development Corp. This is a project that calls for $400 million.

K: I don't care. Just make motions to show I carried the message without dying on the barracades for it.

F: You felt that you were not in a position to judge domestic priorities but that you were in favor of it.

K: I just want McCloy to know I did what I could.

F: $400 million to re-build Manhattan doesn't seem high priority.

K: I couldn't judge. I am just trying to be helpful to McCloy.

F: He is helpful to you I take it. I think we should put the onus on HUD.

K: Why don't you do that.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Amb. Bruce/Kissinger

10:00 am

8/11/70

K: On that matter we were exchanging, there was no idea of your coming back.

B: I knew that. I just wondered if I should go away.

K: You could stay. It's a question of --

B: Attending. I know. I will be around here.

K: Do you feel strongly one way or the other?

B: I think just arriving here it's best to say I am studying the situation. After that I don't care. The problem of break up -- I think I should go to this one.

K: Habib is there. I will talk to the President about it. I got your letter and I will send you one in a few days.

B: The reason I didn't make my statement to you more lengthy is because I knew you would get the State cable. I don't care what happens. I think it would be tactful to go one more.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Laird/Kissinger

2:57 pm

8/11/70

L: I wanted to make sure that you knew personally that those cables going back and forth in Tel Aviv regarding RC-reconnaissance planes.--

K: Are not cleared by you. How about those cameras?

L: They are side-looking.

K: They are what you said.

L: The Ambassador went to McDonald-Douglas. They don't know what we put in those planes.

K: They can see 18 miles. So we are going ahead delivering them.

L: That wire is ridiculous that they only look down.

K: We were going to call later today to see. A second cable straightened it's out.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Hewitt (Mike Wallace's office)
8/22 11/70 3:52 p.m.

K: I have talked to my associates here and we are going to take a
chance and do it.

H: That's marvelous.

K: Will you tell Mike that it's largely done out of my affection for him?

H: He has the same affection for you.

K: I am assuming that we have a gentleman's agreement.

H: Well, because we're talking about CBS policy I would rather have
Bill Leonard discuss this with you. My understanding is that you would get
a full transcript and the right to review what was said.

K: And which questions and answers belong together.

H: That's the kind of thing I must leave up to Leonard. Do you want
him to call you?

K: Sure. I'm not trying to doctor it up.

H: I know. Let me tell Leonard you have agreed to do this with the
understanding of the gentleman's agreement, and I don't think you'll ever
have to invoke it.

K: Okay. Before she starts any filming--she's a much nicer person
than Miss Hunnebelle--but shouldn't she talk to me first?

H: Yes. She's read a lot about you. But I think she should talk to
you to check on the validity of what she's read.

K: And before she starts I want to agree with her about what she can
and can't film, and she ought to be out of my hair except for on these
occasions. When does she want to do that?

H: Any time. Tomorrow, next week.

K: I'll work that out with General Haig. Tell her to call him or me.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCON

Bill Leonard/Kissinger

4:33 pm

8/11/70

L: I gather you have talked to Hewitt.

K: And Wallace.

L: I am delighted. It's better than chopping Hunebelle's black and white film. I wanted to answer your questions.

K: I have one concerning the details with interviews. The arrangement I have always made -- This is my first on TV except for Hunebelle-- it's easier for me to talk if I can look at what I have said and say what I don't want used or if that's not possible, so you can't chop things out and use them out of context. I am willing to do it in a gentlemen's agreement.

L: As practical matters it's not a problem. One thing at a time. What we are protecting is our fundamental policy that you have read about --

K: I am not trying to manage the news. I am trying to make sure they don't edit it. If you want to film 5 mins. and use the whole thing, that's fine. But if you overtape you will make the selection. Then you have the advantage. I have a copy. Even with the best will in the world you might think something is more important than I intended it. (Or you may take a sentence out and change the entire meaning.)

L: That's possible. What I can say is that not only would we, as a practical matter, listen to what you said afterwards on what you said and if you say a paragraph or section is wrong, please don't use it or come down and do it again. that's all right but we can't give away -- it's only technical and requires faith -- but to parallel, newspapers saying you can talk to me and use only what I say, the editing process --

K: Could I see if you agree that if I say don't use that whole question and answer and you won't use it that meets a concern or let me do it again and rephrase it.

L: We can do that. We both want it as the best expression of what you want to see. That's no better than the article for the Sun Times and saying you want something better in --

K: My associates say if I give you 20 mins. of interview and you use only one sentence then you can select what you want.

L: I think that would be a mistake from your point of view. That wouldn't get the best of you. If you -- I think we can handle it the way you suggested. You will have a transcript -- either we will supply it or you can have a taperecorder.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Bill Leonard/Kissinger

4:33 pm

8/11/70

-2-

K: You supply it.

L: If you say "I said that badly" or "I don't want that" then we will head that --
I don't want a secret agreement that we can't live with in public -- I can't
do for you what we can't do for LBJ or the President, for that matter, and that
is give you the assurance that the final editing decision making will not be in
CBS news.

K: Only the remarks and not other film you shoot.

L: I understand. I don't think we have a problem. It's always true --

K: I am not assuming that you are going to do a hatchet job on my.

L: If you did you would say do what you want and leave me alone.

K: I have talked with you and I like Wallace. But you could, with the best
intentions in the world, take a sentence out of context. You were at the briefing
in S. Clemente. That word expel was not a major part of the briefing.

L: That was bad journalism.

K: But thank you did it in good faith. You wouldn't do it?

L: You couldn't have said to that group that the conditions of this backgrounder
are off the record unless you use all of it. Or that you come and review with me.
We have to live with all of the things we do. Completely off the record, we
don't want to put in anything you don't want said.

K: If we can make this arrangement. If I can look at the transcript and if I
say there are some parts I don't want in and I will take your word that you will
edit it to see that what I want said is fairly done. I think you want to express
my thought. I might suggest to Mike that if you use A then you have to use B.

L: Done. I want to sit with you and watch that addition of "60 Minutes." I will
be right next to you when it goes on the air.

K: This will be my first exposure of this kind. Hunebelle trapped me. If it
weren't for our conversation on the Hunebelle thing and previous conversation
with Wallance and Hewitt, I wouldn't have done it.

L: You will not regret it. Mike is going to Cuba and they won't do it until he
gets back.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Rogers
8/11/70 4:45 p.m.

R: On this aid message, I'm afraid we are going to have to hold up if my people don't have an opportunity to be heard. They think Bergsten has been holding on to it totally. In your memo you said we could delay it and I think we should. Doing away with bilateral aid would have repercussions all over the world. It's like on the Bruce thing--when the President said don't let Bruce go to the meeting. We should give the people concerned a chance to be heard.

K: We will hold it--the only reason for getting it out Friday is the recess. But we'll just do it as soon after the recess as possible.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Frank Mankiewicz
8/11/70 5:40 p.m.

K: All of you left-wingers are coming around today. I saw Arthur Schlesinger today.

M: He is a left-winger. I'm a responsible conservative. We even attacked James Reston today.

K: Yes, I saw that.

M: You never know what side these guys are on. We had an unfinished conversation the other day that I just wanted to complete. I wanted to make sure I had impressed David Lazar on your consciousness.

K: Yes.

M: And the other thing that you said you thought we have gotten wrong, Ziegler said it was substantially correct.

K: Well, if Ziegler says it's right, okay. You can see how the power structure goes if you count his word as better than mine.

M: Well what you said bothered me. Was it totally wrong?

K: No, just a question of emphasis.

M: It seemed to me that's what Ziegler was saying or at least hinting at. I didn't want you to feel, first of all, that we had violated a confidence and secondly, not only violated a confidence, but got it wrong.

K: Well, if he just tells me what he's planning to use . . .

M: Yes. I don't want to tell him you were unahppy or mad.

K: No, I'm not.

M: When I talk to you we talk as friends unless I tell you differently. Usually I tell people that when I talk with them I talk as a reporter unless I tell them differently.

K: I understand that.

M: I am sending to you a column that I wrote about a letter from the President of Panama to Ted Kennedy. He made a speech [Kennedy] about three months ago. It wasn't a bad speech. (I happened to think the parts

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Frank Mankiewicz

8/11/70 5:40 p.m. page 2

I wrote were better than the others, but it wasn't a bad speech.) He sent it around to all of the ambassadors. It finally got to the President of Panama who wrote Teddy a very good letter.

K: I'd love to see it.

M: I will send you the letter, my column about it and the reaction in the Panamanian press to the column. My friend Lazar says the new ambassador there will have to renegotiate the Canal treaty. There is no constituency in this country for a Canal treaty that makes any sense. And there's none in Panama either. The best way to build any constituency at all is to build up Torrijos.

K: But there are a lot of people fighting him because he's a general.

M: He has in this better a marvelous description. I'll send it to you.

K: You ought to come and see my palatial office before I get moved out.

M: You're upstairs now? You can jump out a window?

K: Yes. Before if I jumped out I had to jump up; now at least I can jump level.

M: When can I come?

K: Next week some time.

M: When.

K: I'll get David Young to call you.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
John Hannah

8/12/70 10:25 a.m.

K: About that Aid message--now that it is out it will be tough not to send it forward without it leaking. I talked to Bill Rogers about the commitment to multilateralization. I think we can indicate that this is the direction we want without committing ourselves to a date. Would this satisfy you?

H: Yes. I talked to Bergsten last night and am seeing the Secretary in eight minutes. They have got their ducks in a row. We'll have a very simply communication over to you within an hour. I think it will satisfy you and the President and we can get this thing going.

K: Good. Thank you.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary of State
8/12/70 10:28 a.m.

K: On that Aid message, the problem is that now it's in the bureaucracy holding it up for four weeks it would leak all over the place. We can fix it to take account of your point. We wouldn't commit ourselves to give up the bilateral program, but we could indicate that we want to move in a direction of more multilateralization.

R: Nat Samuels says the total thrust of it is a kick in the teeth to AID. But that's a drafting problem. Give me a little more time to see that we don't have a major blow up. I think it better to have leaks than to do it in a way that is unsatisfactory to the parties involved.

K: Treasury wants it to go.

R: Why should they care?

K: Because they have things coming up in September and they want this out of the way before then. I don't know where the blow-up would be coming from.

R: AID.

K: I think they will put up with it.

R: Let me find out about it. It is better if everyone involved in it felt that he had been in the act. To run roughshod over everyone makes them unahppy as hell.

K: Who ran roughshod?

R: It was all done by Bergsten and he wouldn't tell everybody what he was doing. Substantively there's not that much of a problem, but procedurally there is.

K: My impression is that Hannah is willing to go ahead with it.

R: When did you talk to him?

K: About 15 minutes ago.

R: Well, I'm going to see him in a few minutes. Let me call you back.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Rogers
8/12/70 10:35 a.m.

K: On this AID think, I wanted to make it clear. I couldn't let the record stand that we have been riding it roughshod. We had it in the Under Secretaries Committee. The only hold-up was last week when we took account of your security thing.

R: But no one has known what Bergsten was drafting for a long time. When we finally get the message they say 'here's the message, now you can look it over.'

K: They may not have seen the language, but they know the sense of it.

R: On the bilateral aid thing--I don't think so. The message contained a lot of surprises. That's the point where there should be more time. Let me check.

K: I will hear from you.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCOM
Safire/Kissinger

10:55 am

8/12/70

S: The ABM vote today. I am going to support McGovern as I always do but we should have a line on our response read by Zeigler.

K: Are you drafting it?

S: I need some guidance on whether it goes one, two, or three ways. There are two bills.

K: If it goes for us we will make a low-key statement saying that we applaud this vote and are sure it's in the national interest. If it goes against us, I would make low key statements saying that this vote -- not like Carswell -- but that it will hurt our negotiations as well as security. As well as restore it.

S: That's more substantive. Then the battle isn't over.

K: It will be restored in conference.

S: I will check with Harlow on the political end. On the New Orleans show. Should the President have a point list to write an introduction? We didn't in San Diego.

K: I don't think he needs it but we will put something together and send it to you. As my public relations advisor you haven't got any human stories out on me.

S: I congratulate you on Jos. Kraft.

K: Did you read that Roberts piece with attention? It doesn't make either of us look good. But if you look closely, all the vicious things come from his side.

S: The first blush reading is the headline and first and last paragraph.

K: That was awful.

S: But the 4 people who read it closely -- you, me, ____, and your father --

K: My father has it annotated.

S: Read it too closely.

K: What can I do?

S: (something about magazines dropping HAK out of their stories.) You have to feed me information on how important S. Clemente was.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Safire/Kissinger

10:55 am 8/12/70

-2-

K: It was decisive. It wasn't well planned on by me. But what the President did was decisive.

S: Then expel was a happy slip.

K: It worked out. Are you coming to the W. coast?

S: I hope to but I haven't been asked. Any foreign policy ?

K: There might be. I will see to getting you out there.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Flanigan/Kissinger

3:07 pm

8/13/70

F: Volunteer Army in VNk I saw to it that our people were working with yours. Laird has asked Kelly (Asst. Secy. for Manpower) and Kelly has asked Brehm -- I want you to know how it's working -- they are coming up with a study on how we can't have a volunteer army in VN now. They are doing this in a request to why we can. So it answers their question in our paper.

K: And questions we need answered. How quickly can we get it? Next week?

F: I doubt it but I will try. I will tell him we need it in a week.

(Flanigan's office later called to say that the study will be given to Larry Lynn in a week.)

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Amb. Bill Sullivan

8/12/70 3:55 p.m.

K: I notice you are bitching about me to your meetings.

S: What about?

K: Wasn't it you who was saying that you didn't know what we were going to talk about in Los Angeles?

S: Not me.

K: Oh well. I have got so many grievances against your department that you would only be about number 50 on my list anyway.

S: I wanted to get your feel for a crunch I think we've got coming with our Vietnamese friends on this economic business.

K: [David took message that Safeguard had just passed.] Hey, we just won Safeguard, in case you are interested.

S: What was the vote?

K: 52 to 47

S: Congratulations. I won't ask who paired off against Mundt.

K: I don't know.

S: Back to economic problems with the Vietnamese. It looks like they are dodging their Senate's action with regard to their exchange rate. Thieu may have to act by executive decree. If we push him to that it might have bad political consequences. But if we don't, certain of our Senators may push through a requirement that we have certain exchange rates. We will be in a bind if the aid gets tied up this way. It would cut the effectiveness of our purchasing power in Vietnam. Moss could bring this to the floor any time after Labor Day. With regard to your mid-September confrontation, I wonder if we want this going on when we're in the middle of other things. Bunker says we can either go in and push hard on this or lay back with our own Congress. Maybe the mood in the Congress will be improved after September. What is the President's instinct on this?

K: The President's instinct in general is not to push Thieu. But that doesn't mean.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Amb. Bill Sullivan

8/12/70 3:55 p.m. page 2

S: This might be cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

K: Exactly. Could you do me a memo: do it either as a formal
State memo, or a personal memo to me, which I can show him and
get his sense.

S: I can do it in my ad hoc capacity.

K: Okay, and I can get his attitude for you.

S: Okay. If they don't get the Senate together before the 15th, we
won't get them. If it doesn't happen, then we want to know whether
Ellsworth should push for a decree after the elections (which are in the
end of August).

K: When do you need this by? If I get this over to you by mid-day
tomorrow will that be all right?

S: Oh, yes. There is an off chance that they might do this on the 15th.

K: I can easily get you an answer by the 15th.

S: Good. Knowing the President's instinct to be that he
doesn't want to push too hard . . .

K: But what you say sounds reasonable to me.

S: Incidentally, are we going to get a NSDM on this?

K: Yes. Chuck Cooper said he would get an integrated (?)
economic report before the end of the first week in August. Is that in
yet?

S: No, not yet. I saw his own report. Have you seen that? I thought
it was very good.

K: Yes, excellent. I like him.

S: One other thing--I hope you are in a good humor today. That
draft speech you asked for: I completed it, but was instructed not to
send it to you because it will be hand-carried onto Air Force One. Is
your humor still with you?

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Amb. Bill Sullivan

8/12/70 3:55 p.m. page 3

K: As soon as I stop puking. Nothing can be done with it until I have seen it anyway.

S: I know that, but that's my instruction. By the way, I'll be going off for a few days. I'll be on the other side of Mexico.

K: That will be fun. I like Mexico. I was going to say if you wanted me to have a personal copy of the speech, we could do it that way. But there's no sense. We'll play the game. They can't do anything with it though until I see it.

S: I know.

By NARA, Dalo

5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Senator Javits
8/12/70; 6:40 p.m.

J: I just wanted to be sure whether anyone has to make the first move in breakfast arrangements or whether it is going to be done.

K: The one you and the President were talking about -- it is probably going to be done after we come back from San Clemente. But there is going to be a breakfast next week with some of the types so that some initial...

J: I think the former is more important. I think we are getting on the road. Cooper told me he is through on that issue.

K: How did you vote?

J: I voted with Cooper/Hart -- I always have.

K: I expected that. You really had no choice given your constituency. We won't get into the active period again until after Labor Day.

J: When do you leave for San Clemente?

K: I think the 20th.

J: Marion wanted to invite you to dinner next Thursday (?) night.

K: Tell her to give me a rain check.

J: One more thing -- I had a run in with Harry Fleming. He called me and gave me the same dose.

called

K: Oh, damn! I called Mitchell to tell him to take personal care of this and he promised me it would be handled in the spirit of our conversation. I don't want to give orders to Fleming and he promised me he would move in the direction of your compromise.

J: I hope -- I am trying to be reasonable.

K: I know and it can't be a secret with my feelings.

J: I will depend on John -- I will see him tomorrow -- he will be testifying.

K: I will call him again tonight.

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By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Ambassador Freeman (at Cape Cod)
8/12/70; 7:00 p.m.

K: I am calling you about the matter we discussed on Sunday. I am doing it on an informal basis in the sense that I am noticing unrest at high levels which will undoubtedly transmit itself to higher levels. If they want to arrange a dinner, they have to start moving on it and other plans, including travel plans, are being handled in abeyance while this decision is being made.

F: I will get on to Washington. I am grateful for the tip off.

K: If you could let me have an answer by this time tomorrow, it will quiet the people down even if it were negative. It will at least be quiet and we could work on the minor problem that would result.

F: I will try. It may have to be given by Guy Miller (?) MILLARO

K: Let him give it to me personally. I can't see pouting staff members who have not been cut in on it.

feg

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELECON

Hedrick Smith/Mr. Kissinger

7:08, August 12, 1970

p. m.

S: Understand you got a bit of a problem as far as the ceasefire is concerned. A standstill on the Suez Canel, is this a violation?

K: You ought to deal with Sisco on this.

S: Have been doing my best.

K: He is the world's greatest expert on the Middle East.

S: Understand how the White House saw it, especially the intelligence determination but the political determination is absolutely crucial. Can we tell enough at this point.

K: I want to stay out of this at this moment. Matter that happened in first few hours and preceeding events. Pretty unambiguous. I will give you some guidance, but at this stage we had better cool it.

S: Did you say cool it, I am having trouble with this phone. Sorry to trouble you but Max is away and --

K: No, no -- you are no trouble.

S: Think I get the grasp of your comments.

K: Okay, bye, bye.

wgh

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELECON

Min. Millard (British Embassy)/Mr. Kissinger

7:45 p.m., August 12, 1970

M: Had a call from John Freeman -- spoken on the telephone about the reply. Had it sent down this afternoon.

K: To whom could you have sent it?

M: Hal Sonnenfeldt.

K: Damm it, he didn't know anything about these conversations.

M: Didn't mention it to him.

K: He knows it now.

M: I don't think so, I just told him I have a message.

K: What is the answer?

M: The answer is rather on the line. Very urgent preoccupation at this moment.

K: Suggest a date?

M: Late November or early December if that is possible.

K: Good.

M: So sorry.

K: It's okay, I will be getting it.

wgh

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELECON

The President/Mr. Kissinger

7:50 p.m., August 12, 1970

K: Mr. President, I just want to check one thing with you.

P: Sure, sure.

K: Casey came to see Helms on that matter.

P: What did he think?

K: Too much detail in there. He noticed that they made some reference to the provocative war. Which they had passed in Vienna. We could pass some innocuous message back through the same channel, see if they want to help in the 72 election.

P: No, make a frontal attack. If he knew what other things you were doing --

K: An authoritative approach then, it was taken in the light of all I have taken.

P: Bill Casey is a law partner, partner of Low Hall .........

K: They want to test out an invitation. It would be humiliating if they were turned down.

P: Their story is right. Let's find out. We have other games to play. Can't be waiting -- this is the 12th, we have to know by the 20th.

K: Yes, we can actually wait a week longer.

P: Give them a date.

K: A week from the following Monday.

P: I have to make up my schedule. Two weeks or 10 days, 10 days is enough.

K: Will give them to the 24th.

P: Yes, if we don't hear from him we will make other plans.

wgh

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Mr. Timmons
8/12/70; 11:15 p.m.

K: On that message, our problem is if we don't go tomorrow it will leak all over the place. You understand that this is not a legislative message -- this is an *informal* message.

T: I understand there are evolutionary if not revolutionary items (?)

K: Like what.

T: Hickenlooper Amendment.

K: That was disapproved.

T: How about trade with countries?

K: That is not in any difficult way. I talked to Ross Adair -- he was at a meeting this morning. I told him what we were going to do and I told him this was just going to be the beginning of consultations. That didn't seem to give him any pain.

T: The problem that we may have is that so many will be leaving the city.

K: There is no question that you are right and there is no question that I am right. The question is if this thing leaks all over town and the bureaucracy raises cain. Could you take a reading . . .

T: Let me call some of the guys in the morning.

K: Tell them this is not the last word and we are willing to change it after it is out. I think it will be nitpicked in the four weeks. From a selfish point of view, the last thing I want to do is brief tomorrow.

T: The problem is there has been so much complaining about lack of consultation.

K: The thing that worries them most is that we will take the security thing away from foreign affairs.

T: Let me take it up in the morning. I understand you will be available 4:30.

K: I have a 2:30 appointment that I want to keep, but after that I could make it.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger/Mr. Timmons
8/12/70; 11:15 p.m.

K: We just browbeat the bureaucracy into letting it go tomorrow and we hate to wait another four weeks. I could talk to Javits and some of the others. So, we will not call it off?

T: The press people have objections.

K: That doesn't bother me. We should have done it earlier this week.

T: We were trying to get it for our regular Leadership meeting on Tuesday.

K: The President didn't want it. But, that's the way it should have been done. Given the time choice we have now, my instinct is we should go with it. —Congratulations on the vote today.

T: I was pleased -- really no surprise. We had hoped that Mgt. Smith would come around.

K: Which votes changed compared to last year?

T: McIntyre, Pearson.

K: How about Percy?

T: We did not get Percy nor Mathias. We have an important one on Brooke Amendment (?) -- softer would permit funds for R&D but limit them to ____________.

K: Javits tells me Cooper is out of it now.

T: Gerry Smith has been very helpful to us on it.

K: We should send him a cable.

T: McIntyre called him. McIntyre was saying he was going with Brooke Amendment. Al Haig called him (Gerry Smith) today and confirmed that this was not true. —Both Ted Kennedy and Mike Mansfield talked about a Confidential document that was not made available to the Senate.

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By NARA. Date 5/26

TELECON

William Timmons/Mr. Kissinger

11:35 p.m., August 12, 1970

K: When you talk to these people, do it on an exploratory basis. Don't brow beat them into it.

T: Feel it's a veto on the House side. Head to the Hill.

K: See what you could arrange.

T: Maybe when I talk to them, see how deeply they feel on the consultation.

K: What do you think will happen if it leaks out before September?

T: No big problem. Some general knowledge on the Hill now. See about what's coming.

K: The President's message will be patterned after the Peterson Report.

T: No great thing if it leaks out.

K: Can you get back to me before 10:00, I have a meeting at 10:30. Will have to make a decision before that time.

T: Probably won't be able to get them before 8:30 or 9:00. Will make a dozen telephone calls.

K: Don't lock yourself in. For reasons of our own, we might want to hold off to September.

wgh

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON
Prime Minister Shearer (Jamaica)
morning 8/12/70

K: It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday.

S: I am very please with my interpretation of my interview. It went well.

K: Absolutely.

S: I don't want to blunt my copy book so I thought I would clear with you what I am going to say when I get home. I will say I saw the President at my request. It's in the pattern since we became independent. Bilateral problems. Special ______ for the Caribbean. He said he would consider the proposal. I have proposed and he has agreed sending a top level mission to Jamaica. I brought up such things as sugar and extended an invitation for him to come to Jamaica and he will propose a date next year.

K: I don't think he is thinking of an official visit. Just a rest sometime with a talk with you. That he hopes to visit next year. It will give us flexibility.

S: You mean he may not come?

K: Presidential schedules are unfirm. He now intends to come.

S: That's difficult. My Cabinet members are more excited about his coming than the rest. He said yesterday Jan, Feb., or March.

K: I could ask him what he has in mind. But I sit in on all these meetings so you can trust my interpretation. He would like some days of rest with a day or a half day with you.

S: That part is not -- with ceremony and all that -- but I have told my colleagues --

K: Can't you say he hopes? It's better if you don't give a date. Say he hopes to come next year.

S: He has accepted my invitation.

K: It thought it was a very good meeting and the President was very pleased with it.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN
Haldeman/Kissinger
early evening 8/12/70

H: When are you going to quit playing games and let us get up our Calif.
schedule.

K: What are you talking about?

H: Heath.

K: He promised me an answer by the middle of the week. I will talk with him tomorrow.

H: We have a problem with invitations for the dinner already.

K: He may not want a dinner.

H: The President may want to give a dinner. How did this come about?

K: We wanted an exchange of views.

H: So he said S. Clemente and then thought of a dinner. This screws up Ordaz and another series of dinners.

K: I will call him tonight.

H: Will you really?

K: I don't think we should be anxious.

H: But we have other problems.

K: The man is an old lady. He is a batchelor. The odds are good. He is worrying about ridiculous things. I will call him tonight.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Gerard Smith

8/13/70 12:53 p.m.

K: How are you?

S: Pretty sick.

K: You can't say anything about it that I haven't been screaming about all morning. I requested written reports from everybody . . . this particular communication was not released, but one of the Senators has gotten the things balled up. I am looking into it. I know how you feel and you are right.

S: I don't care personally. But it is destructive to anything we are working for for me to have this image. Is there any press release you people can put out?

K: What do you suggest?

S: Stating that my views were asked as to the relationship of SALT and Safeguard and that I passed them on to the White House. Say that I specifically said that I was not addressing myself to any amendment and that my own personal views were not to be made public. That would be better than having the appearance that I am placing telegrams in proper places. I talked to McIntyre and I said the very last thing "this is a personal communication." And he said "I will honor that."

K: Well McIntyre is the problem.

S: I wish Haig wouldn't expose me to these people.

K: We had no way of knowing. If we had known, we wouldn't have done it.

S: Well I think somebody owes me the obligation to take some kind of remedial action. I have tried to help the President consistent with my responsibilities here. And I think I got a shabby deal.

K: We will say you were asked on an internal basis. It shouldn't have happened this way.

S: Okay, and I understand another vote is coming up next Wednesday and I don't want to be mentioned in any way in connection with that. It's that devilish advertisement that was inaccurately reported in the Post.

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Telecon
Gerard Smith

8/13/70 12:53 p.m. page 2

K: The problem is that none of these things are being done through
my office . . .

S: Well if you could find the office these things are being done in
and bring your influence to bear on whoever is doing it I would appreciate it.

K: Yes Gerry, I will. And despite this contrary temps, we feel you
are doing a great job.

S: I feel my prospects for the future are diminished. This sort
of thing is very bad. Maybe you can find some other employment for me.

K: No, we need you there. It will come out all right.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCON

Shultz/Kissinger

1:30 pm

8/13/70

S: I think the 4:00 meeting is not right on his aid message. It's basically public relations people and not content people.

K: I haven't done a thing right with if that's the case. I wanted Flanigan, McCraken, you --

S: Parker. Volker

K: I don't want the departments in yet.

S: You have Ehrlichman, Harlow --

K: No reason for them.

S: Safire, Timmons and Zeigler.

K: That's absurd. I will fix that. McCracken, Shultz, Kissinger --

S: Flanigan.

K: What I wanted was to unify the WH position. I don't think Treasury is very serious.

S: The time is OK. But change the structure.

K: I will.

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NARA, Date

5/26

TELCORN

Cong. McGregor/Kissinger

3:21 pm

8/13/70

M: You and I spoke yesterday morning about some position papers you might
let me use in my own during my campaign.

K: What areas?

M: S. E. A., M. E., strategic arms negotiations talks, future of NATO
and reduction of U. S. forces after July '71.

K: When do you need them?

M: I will be in Minn. tonight for about 3 weeks. My Administrative Assist., Richard Willow, can get anything to me confidentially that is delivered to me from your office. The sooner the better and whatever is convenient for you.

K: I will do it in the next week to 10 days.

M: I appreciate it and your briefing yesterday was wonderful.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Kissinger/Sec. Rogers

August 13, 1970 5:30 p.m.

[paraphrased]

jlj

R: Henry

K: Hi

R: I talked to Sisco. I hope he does not have to say very much on the Middle East.

K: No, nothing new should come out of this meeting. It should be background, history, details - he could answer questions.

R: I think that would be better.

K: Better for him than for me. It is very hard to go up there and fill in all the details and he knows them very well. There are instructions from the President, different than yours. He wants to make sure that nothing comes out of this meeting that is new. He wants it to be like the West Coast briefing with no new things coming out.

R: Sisco will go then. It's a good idea and not do too long.

K: We thought about 10-15 minutes for him. Then I would do about 1/2 hour with the whole thing. I would say in view of the recent interest perhaps Assistant Secretary Sisco could put it into perspective for them.

R: You have delayed the AID message?

K: We could have got the Congressmen together but they were eager to leave and we felt it would be better later.

R: Things get rushed at the end. You get more time later.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
The President
8/13/70; 6:30 p.m.

P: Are you going out to dinner? -

K: I was going to have dinner with Richardson a little later.

P: I am just going to go out with Haldeman. We are going to be on domestic stuff.

K: I will cancel my thing if you want me to.

P: No, you go ahead.

K: I just like to keep up with Richardson every three or four weeks. I wanted you to know Xuan Thuy is on the way back, which is for our game plan a little early. The North Vietnamese announced today that he will be back soon. Also, I thought, Mr. President, if you agree it might be good to have Sisco along on the Middle East. If anything slips they can't blame us for not having them in on it. I will do the general briefing and get Sisco in for 10 minutes.

P: Are you going to have Sullivan?

K: No, I can handle Southeast Asia.

P: Good. I think we have done exactly the right thing on the other thing -- we brought it to a head and we will find out. If we are going to have anything, we are going to plan it. I am not going to do it on the spur of the moment.

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By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger
Secretary Laird
8/13/70; 6:43 p.m.

L: I am up here taking part in a judicial (?) symposium and had a call that disturbed me. It has to do with the Volunteer Service Amendment that they are working on in the Senate at the present time. There are indications that the White House favors that amendment. The problem is I think the White House . . .

K: The White House should not favor anything of this nature without discussing it with you.

L: Some people in the domestic area think this is what the President wants.

K: But you and I know he doesn't. I don't even know . . .

L: It puts the President's Volunteer Service program into effect on June 30 of next year. It provides that we will have no more draft after June 30.

K: But we all agreed that this is not possible.

L: They are having a meeting at the White House tomorrow with Senator Gore (?) etc. -- said this is White House policy. I am sending a letter tonight -- I have to be against it.

K: Who at White House is doing this?

L: Ehrlichman is having a meeting on it tomorrow to develop future White House position. They think they can't come out against it.

K: I don't know what Ehrlichman's position is so I don't want to prejudge it. But in any event we can't go that route now.

L: I am sure Ehrlichman has not taken a position. Some of the lower people in the domestic area have taken a position. Ehrlichman should not take that position. This is something that you have to become involved in.

K: I will make sure nothing happens that my people are not involved in.

L: I will send you a copy of the letter I am sending to the Senators tonight. In Vietnam only 3% of the people in combat are volunteering for combat service.

K: Where do those come from? I am just kidding.

L: As far as the Army is concerned, this is a very serious thing and we can't break the draft off on June 30.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Mr. Kissinger/Secretary Laird
8/13/70; 6:43 p.m.

K: It certainly is not the view of the NSC. You remember in San Clemente when we discussed a possible stretch-out of this and the President agreed.

L: I thought maybe in the White House machinery somehow or other the NSC should be involved.

K: I will make sure we stay in close touch with you. What are you doing at a judicial (?) conference?

L: It is ________. It is a very hush-hush operation. They have been on me and because of the My Lai thing, etc., I thought I would spend some time with them. I am due to make a speech at New London, Conn.

K: I am going with the President to New Orleans tomorrow and think Ehrlichman is also going with him. I will get it under control. Whatever it is, it is not a domestic issue. I will make sure that any White House position is coordinated with you.

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DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12950, Sect. 3.6

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Ambassador Yost
8/14/70 10:03 p.m.

Y: We haven't had a chance to get together in a long time. I wanted to remedy that situation. I am coming to Washington next week; are you going to be in town?

K: Through Wednesday.

Y: How about some time Tuesday.

K: I don't have my schedule for next week in front of me and David Young who does my appointments is out of the office but let me just say I'll do my best. Give me the flexibility to do it either Tuesday or Wednesday. I know I can't do it Monday. But we'll fix something.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Henry Brandon
8/14/70 10:10 a.m.

B: Muffie took a beautiful picture of you and the children; we're having it mounted.

K: Aren't you sweet. I really enjoyed the weekend with you. It was one of the most relaxing days I've had since I have been here.

B: I was wondering if I could see you--I'm not sure I can come to San Clemente.

K: I will try. Next week is murderous for me.

B: I understand.

K: By the way I talked to the President about your doing a bood. He is agreeable to a degree of cooperation, and I would go fairly far to cooperate. Is there a chance of I have a favor to ask of you, though one should never do a Teutonic person a kindness: Is there a chance of using your swimming pool this weekend?

B: Of course.

K: Will there be many people there?

B: I don't think anybody.

K: That would be ideal.

B: On weekdays, at lunch time, maybe the Embassy staff people use it, but on the weekends, I don't think it's used except maybe on Sunday at lunchtime.

K: But they won't shoo me off?

B: Of course not.

K: May I bring a guest?

B: Yes. Just say you are our guest. There may be someone in the house. If not, at the right of the house, facing the house, is a little walk. Proceed to the garden and go through the frontier post [?]. There may be no one there. I could give you a key to the house so you could change if that is a problem.

K: Thank you but I live so close that it is not necessary.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Henry Brandon

8/14/70 10:10 a.m. page 2

B: Is there anything on the Middle East--this Israeli thing?

K: No, this is more symptomatic than significant. I personally think this was a movement they started and completed after the cease-fire. It's not a continuous exercise. It's messy and shows the underlying problem. The balance of power has not improved because of this cease-fire. Whether they have moved them in or will move them if the cease-fire breaks down, the potential is there. I have got to go now; we're leaving for New Orleans.

B: But it puts you on the griddle.

K: Me personally or the government.

B: The U.S. Government.

K: Remember I am the man who wants to expel them. I have got my alibi, Brandon. When you speak in the Delphic manner I do you can always quote someone.

B: How are you going to get over it?

K: First we have to confirm exactly what happened. Something happened, but what it is we will know better in a while.

B: Then you have serious doubts that it did happen?

K: Unless you have become a segregationist in Mississippi you have really got to let me go.

B: Okay, I will leave a message with your secretary about the key.

K: Good.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Gerard Smith

15/70 11:50 a.m.

K: What have we done now? -

S: No, nothing. My question is what are you going to do. What are you going to do to keep me out of the Brooke aspect of it?

K: Take a few days leave. Seriously.

S: I can.

K: Do it. That's the easiest way to solve it.

S: Okay. Is there any way for me to see the President?

K: Sure, come out to San Clemente. Right now there are no plans for you to see him, but you could do that. When is the Brooke vote?

S: Tuesday.

K: Okay then come back at the opening of business Wednesday and we'll get you an appointment.

S: Is there any problem that you see about publishing the famous dispatch [the telegram]? It's straightforward and might clear things up.

K: Let me look at it.

S: Okay, you look at it. But just look at it from the point of view of the Russians and what they would think about it.

K: I think it's a tempest in a teapot. It looks a lot worse from Vienna than here. Everyone here who is making the P.R. department is full of appreciation for what you have done and we are mortified by what has been done to you. You have played this game magnificently and whatever we have achieved we own to you.

K: Well, they are now talking about the curious role of the American negotiator backing ABM.

K: I don't think your usefulness has been damaged. But don't come back until Tuesday--I think that's a good idea. And if they ask you who told you to do that, you can say me and I'll deny it and only your wiretapper will know.

S: Okay.

K: No, seriously, I will back you and I think it's a good idea.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Gerard Smith
8/15/70 12:00 noon

S: After consulting with Phil, I think it not a good idea to make that telegram public.

K: Okay.

S: Just please make sure that that advertisement of the Peterson Group is not repeated for a third time.

K: I will try, but we have got a madman in charge of that.

S: Who is that?

K: Colson.

S: Should I talk to him?

K: No, don't do it. It's not worth it. He's wild.

S: I want to be able to say that I did my best to stop that.

K: No, you've said it to me. You've said it to me three times and I will say it to Haldeman and the President. That's the best you can do. If anyone fails it is I.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Rogers
8/16/70 10:55 a.m.

R: I know you're going to be talking to Bahr, you and Hillenbrand. I had a discussion with the President about the proposed meeting of the Four. I don't think he has come to any definite conclusions as to whether or not it should be done, but he mentioned the possibility of going to Europe to have it. I think we ought to think that through carefully. I think there's some advantage in his having them come to him.

K: He has only talked vaguely about it to me.

R: Me too.

K: And I wasn't going to talk to Bahr about it at all. What happened was Bahr called me. I told you immediately when he called. He said he might want to come over. I said we always like to see you but if you come make it through channels. The next thing I know he's coming and I called Marty immediately as soon as I knew. I have no intention of getting into the Summit Meeting with him. I would talk with him in general terms and say we'll be in touch with him when the President has replied to the letter.

R: That would be a good way to handle it. I am uncertain about whether to do it at all. But if we're going to do it at all it might be a good idea to do it before the elections. I mentioned Camp David to him as a possibility--I think that would be a good place, but there are problems there.

K: Press problems.

R: I know--they're not allowed in. That wouldn't make anybody very happy, especially Brandt.

K: I think the way I should handle it is I should make no ringing KFORXX inducements and should hold back, but should say that we are in favor of relieving the tensions.

R: Yes. I know he'll want to have Pompidou's views before deciding. I think that going to Europe is a problem, especially when you don't know for sure whether to hold it or not. I think having these countries come to the United States might have its advantages.

K: But you didn't have the impression that it was fixed?

R: No, but I think we can decide later on.

K: I won't get into that meeting business except generally. I'm going to make no specific proposal or agree to it.

By NARA, Date 5/26

Telecon
Secretary Rogers

8/16/70 10:55 a.m. page 2

R: Okay, that's good. I think Camp David would be a good place if you can get the press in. It's friendly and it's his home.

K: Okay. I sent you some exchanges on Heath with the President about the possibility of his coming over. Heath said maybe he would come in November or December. He said he might come to the General Assembly and maybe that's the time to do it.

R: But you might get mixed up with Kosygin's gk being in New York that way.

K: Is he going to be there?

R: That's my guess. Dobrynin thought someone would come and most likely it would be Kosygin.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Rockefeller/Kissinger

9:45 am

8/17/70

R: I got the text here and it's much better than I thought. It's the official text from my man. "Governor, if you invite President Nixon to come to NY for your campaign, would you consider it an asset?" "I always took the view that it was not necessary to get national personalities involved." 'So your answer is no." With that background I said no. On Buckley: "What is your attitude towards ? ? ? ? ?" 'Governor: 'The voters in our state are independent. I stand with the ticket which is with Goodell. On voters I don't think anyone will be elected on party votes alone. So I look forward to any votes I can get.'

Question: "So in asking Nixon you don't consider him very helpful and Eisenhower ? ? ? ? ? ?" I said I don't think that's correct and national policies should not be the issue. They effect NY as they do any state but what I can do on any basis ? ? ? ? ? ?. "Does that include the Vice President too?"

"Gentlemen, there's a man behind you trying to pose a question too." (He then read another Q&A). That's absolutely all that's in it.

K: Get it to Mitchell and me and I will get it to the right place.

R: It's coming by messenger and I thought it was clear enough that I should read it to you.

K: I will tell him it's not as reported and I will get him the exact transcript. I will handle it.

R: I will send it by messenger right now. Thank you for your help.

K: Not at all.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN
Amb. Rabin/Kissinger

10:12 am

8/17/70

R: The President Gen. Haig has told you about the talk he this morning?

K: Yes, he did. What did you think?

R: Well, I don't come very much reassured. The only point that I would like to make clear-- could we prevent -- he said very clearly about the visit.

K: I didn't get that from Haig yet.

R: He said not now but maybe in 30 days.

K: Why don't we plan on that tentatively. I haven't had a chance to see him yet so I could not tell you. You wouldn't announce it?

R: No.

K: If some of the other things happen that change the situation then I think its' realisitic. Once the concern is more clearly focused.

R: I must inform her. 10-15 is within reality. My impression is it's possible.

K: That's my impression. It's within reality.

R: When will I be in a <u>parallel</u> position to say something concrete, to her only?

K: About 2 weeks or maybe three. What do you mean concrete?

R: At least to say between the 10th and 15th.

K: You can tell here it's a very good chance of that. A high possibility. But it should be played loosely. Are you going back?

R: I don't know. If not today, tomorrow.

K: I will take talk to Sisco and see what we can do. As a practical <u>matter</u>, it can be done easier then as a theoretical matter.

R: We have also to do something to serve as a guideline in our other activities.

K: I understand. I will take a reading and call you later.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCONE
Laird/Kissinger

10:40 am

8/17/70

L: Two points. We have to make sure there isn't a breakup between the WH position and the position of Stennis. He has heard that the WH wants to compromise on the Brooke amendment.

K: We don't!

L: We should hardline that. We can get it worked out in conference. Brooke says that Frye has talked to the NSC.

K: Whom? No one here --

L: I said that Henry Kissinger was the only one who can talk on national security matters. I said you would call Stennis but he said he would accept that.

K: Do you want me to call Stennis?

L: Just to indicate you don't have to.

K: I think I should. He deserves that.

L: I said Henry Kissinger is the only man who can speak in this area. He said he got it at breakfast. Talked to the WH. I asked who. He didn't say. He didn't demand a call. It would help if you called.

K: I will call him this minute.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCOM
Stennis/Kissinger
10:45 am 8/17/70

K: I just talked to Laird. He tells me that you are under some doubt on the
Brooke Amendment.

S: No, we talked.

K: Your understanding is correct. We don't want a compromise. If you don't hear it from me on this sort of thing, Don't take it seriously.

S: I just wanted a refutation of it.

K: You did the right thing.

S: Sen. Pierson came for breakfast. I got this Friday. When you say it doesn't go, it doesn't go.

K: How does it look?

S: I got some assurance this morning from your man that was doubtful. I wanted you to give me something on volunteer army amendment of Goldwater to ? ? ? bill.

K: I know.

S: It's tragic to me. Goldwater I personally thinks a lot of. He says now he wants to get views.

K: I think we are with Laird on that.

S: It just doesn't belong on that bill. To a procurement bill. If we will load that down with controversial matters, we will have to withdraw that bill. No hearings on things like that. If there's a doubt about where the administration is going, I should know about it.

K: You will hear from me on that within 24 hours.

By NARA, Dato 5/26

TELCOM

Haldeman/Kissinger

10:47 am

8/17/70

K: We are not making a compromise on the Brooke amdendment are we?

H: Not to my knowledge.

K: I don't think we should. Laird said Stennis heard we were willing to.
Stennis and Laird don't want us to.

H: Our problem is that since we cannot use Smith how do we bolster it? Colson says we should get Rogers.

K: That's excellent.

H: How do we get him to do it?

K: Call him.

H: You or me?

K: You. He won't do it for me. Haig has to go to a funeral. His regimental commander was killed. I will sit in on those meetings. I will call Stennis.

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TELCOM

Zeigler/Kissinger

10:50 am

8/17/70

K: State is keeping close on that today.

K: What?

Z: The Middle East. So we will avoid it today.

K: OK.

Z: They are going to Tel Aviv with a message and Rogers is meeting with an Egyptian and then? I will say I have nothing to say beyond yesterday. I will say that State may have something later today. They should go there. If I say in the future there will be no such matters, it gives Israel more assurance.

K: They don't trust State. I am reasonably convinced that this may be a debacle. Do we want to get out on a limb or let them carry the ball?

Z: Then let them run. The President can pick it up anytime.

K: Let them run.

Z: OK.

By NARA, Date 5/26

TELCORN

Gov. Rockefeller/Kissinger

12:40 pm

8/17/70

R: I called to consult you on how to handle -- I just talked to the National Board of Rabbis, and the President of the Zionist Organization of America and (he named two other Jewish groups). We discussed the situation in Israel. I had written out a statement. I said I was deeply worried about the future of Israel. Intelligence reports re Soviet equipment along the canal and that cease fire will be complied with and skyhawk planes will be sent to Israel. Without the ceasefire and planes and materiel, Israel could be undermined. ? ? ? ? Israel needs security. Is it right to say worried about the security of Israel and U.S. position on the M.E. ?

K: Personally I think that's correct. You would get a difficult reaction at State.

R: That's right. The question is whether this could be in the form of a communication from the President with these leaders.

K: I didn't wouldn't do that.

R: Did you get my material yet?

K: I have been at a meeting.

R: You wouldn't say anything about calling on the U.S.?

K: We you hope the U.S. will do them.

R: They will strengthen it. I will keep in touch.

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TELCOM
Sisco/Kissinger

2:37 pm

8/17/70

S: Judging from the manner in which the Washington Post played our briefing, we are the perfect combination.

K: I was delighted with it.

S: I am just getting to you a copy of a telegram which we want out quickly. It's a strong message to Wally <u>skipping</u> telling Israel to get off this thing. A public statement and they would make one. Please look at it.

K: If we are going to push them around some more, we should do it compassionately.

S: No. A little grating has to occur. They really wanted that package.

K: Are they getting that?

S: Yes, and you will see what it is in the package.

K: They complained about limitations this weekend.

S: I have given Rabin ______ planning. I am waiting for a reply. I said let's get the principle established and then look at the numbers. The conditionality was that this wouldn't be used ______ except in violation of the ceasefire.

K: I (or he) said limitation in geographical area.

S: The sentence which Defense gave them said limited to 50 km. I have given him a formulation which says 50 km or a zone from which the SAM's can fire within the 50 km. zone.

K: Is that acceptable?

S: I don't know. We are awaiting his reaction. They are getting back to me without being too official.

K: It depends on how much we can dampen their <u>hysteria</u> now.

S: We have to call off on both sides. The Secy. conveyed to me the President's very strong feelings on this.

K: Oh, oh, I wouldn't --

S: Look at this message and see what you think. It's a very strong message.

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Sisco/Kissinger

2:37 pm

8/17/70

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S: (cont.) They shouldn't get into the process or launching public campaigns. We should figure this out quietly together. Look at the cable. You can't judge over the phone. It reflects the feeling here and also, I believe, of the President.

K: I am not sure of that. In fact, I am sure that's the case. I would like to discuss some matters with you over here for 10 mins.

S: I am coming to the hero in meeting.

K: Let's talk then.

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Telecon
Ron Ziegler

8/17/70 5:10 p.m.

Z: They went ahead and set up in the mess with the filming. I said absolutely not.

K: Haig said it was done.

Z: Well he did it around me, and I said absolutely not.

K: I told Haig that it wasn't and must be . . .

Z: I told your man David Young that it couldn't be done.

K: Haig said he would take it up with you.

Z: He didn't.

K: Before he left this morning I asked him and he said it was done. That's all I know about it. What do I do now?

Z: We can't do it. We have a policy about not filming in the mess. I've had 50 requests. It's as simple as that. That's what I told David and Al I think, but I know I told David. We have a policy not to film in the mess.

K: Well, it's mortifyingly embarrassing now, but I'll tell Young to get rid of them. I was told exactly the opposite by Haig this morning. I don't get involved in these things

Z: I know you don't.

K: But I'm going to turn it off. My people don't communicate with me any more.

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TELCOM
Butterfield/Kissinger
7:33 pm 8/17/70

B: I just asked him. He would like you to brief. He will make introductory remarks.

K: Does he understand that Rogers will be there?

B: He does. I said, rather than the Secy. of State, who will be there?
He said yes. He does understand it.

Kx

Further conversation -- 7:40 pm

B: The President just called and said he wants Laird at the meeting tomorrow. If he can't come, he wants Moorer.

K: My recommendation is -- okay.

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TELCORN
Zeigler/Kissinger
morning 8/17/70

Z: I want you to know two things. Your briefing in New Orleans was a masterpiece. A number of guys said they understand our foreign policy. It's very well done. Dd you speak from notes?

K: I spoke extemporaneously.

Z: The press played well. No one cares about ABM. The fact we have discussed it doesn't mean it's a fact.

K: That's a case for why we have to have it.

Z: On the Service Secretaries I am going to say they are in planning for budgetary planning for '72.

K: Are they taking pictures?

Z: Yes. Fiscal '72. Anything else?

K: No.

Z: How do you want to handle the M. E.?

K: I would just -- on SAMs.

Z: There's a big build up that something would be said the first of the week here.

K: Call attention to what the President said in S. C. that Friday when Rogers was there. Our understanding is that this would be respected and that there would be a counter in the cease fire zone. This particular incident was so close to the ceasefire zone it's not possible to get proof but in the future there will be no such question. We know where everything else is now.

Z: That's the 32 mile zone. See -- I'm up on it. What do I say about surveillance?

K: Fudge it.

Z: How? Should I say --

K: we are assisting when requested. It is true.

Z: Both sides?

K: No. What have we said?

A: We are assisting Israel.

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K: We are assisting Israel and both sides know.

Z: Are Soviets surveilling for the other side?

K: No.

Z: Don't screw up that TV interview.

K: Mike Wallace? I think they are sympathetic.

Z: When is it screened?

K: Sept. 15. I am seeing them in S. C.

Z: And Kaplow?

K: I think I should be through this first. I will give him cooperation. He can see this and do something different.

Z: He had the request in first.

K: We will talk about it. I want to do what's best for the WH. I have no interest otherwise.

Z: OK.

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TELCORN

Stans/Kissinger

9:35 am

8/18/70

K: Sorry I had such trouble getting back to you yesterday.

S: I wanted to review several things with you. They are all in my desk back in the office (Stans was at Camp David). I could get you early this evening about 5:30 or 6:00.

K: Are you going to the Cabinet meeting?

S: That's tomorrow. All I need is 15 minutes.

K: I will call your office.

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TELCON
Rabin/Kissinger

10:52 am

8/18/70

R: I don't here from you and I am leaving today back to Israel.

K: I think it's certain. I talked to Sisco. Inform him that she is coming over. Between the two of us we will have it in channels. I will get you a formal understanding. Is the other matter settled? Sisco said he would settle it.

R: Not yet. I am meeting at 10:30 with Sisco.

K: Let me know if there's any problem.

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Telecon
Amb. Pauls (Germany)

8/18/70 11:52 a.m.

P: First let me thank you again for yesterday.

K: My pleasure.

P: And I wanted to inform you that Bartzel (?) called this morning. He wants to come here and see you and the President. He wants to come the first week in September.

K: We'll be in San Clemente during the first week in September.

P: Yes, he wonders if you and the President could see him in San Clemente.

K: The President doesn't see anybody but heads of State as a routine. So I can't guarantee that he'll see Bartzel anyplace. But I will do my best to see him. And it might be better for the President there where the schedule isn't so heavy.

P: But you will see him?

K: Yes. But I am getting nervous about German politicians. I want it to be clear that he's coming to Los Angeles and while he's there I will see him. He's not coming to see me. If he's in Los Angeles anyway I will be delighted to see him and will talk with the President and he might be able to see him.

P: Excellent. See you in September.

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Telecon
Admiral Zumwalt

8/18/70 XIX 1:27 p.m.

Z: I was calling to ask your frank view as to whether the level of detail was appropriate.

K: Yes, I thought you made the best presentation, and I said so to Admiral Moorer. To be quite honest, I thought one was too parochial and the other was too superficial. Yours was just right.

Z: Thank you. One other thing: on this Blue Ribbon Defense Panel, the only thing I'm concerned about is I don't think I'm going to be able to do a formal paper on it but I remain concerned about where I stand . . .

K: Let Admiral Robinson tell you about the way these things are handled. You mean on the JCS side?

Z: Yes.

K: That's serious. Can't you get me an unsigned paper so I have your views?

Z: Yes, I can do that.

K: Why don't you do that? I'm more interested to have your views than the formal paper.

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Telecon
Secretary Laird
8/18/70 2:30 p.m.

L: I think it went well this morning.

K: Yes, I do too.

L: I wanted to check out one or two things with you. I was wondering about the background of what kind of research conducted in finding DuBridge's successor.

K: We didn't do that.

L: Who did?

K: Peter Flanigan.

L: It's this Dr. Edward David. He's done a couple of things over here, but I've got a hundred scientists over here who are well known.

K: What they want is to down-grade the office. They want someone without fire power of his own.

L: I see. But if the President is looking for scientific advice, I hope he doesn't follow these guys.

K: Really?

L: If you are looking for someone to advise the President of the United States for technology in the 1970s, this guy doesn't measure up.

K: Well that was Flanigan. All I want of PSAC is to stay out of National security. All they ever say is against weapons systems.

L: I feel the same way over here, but from the standpoint of the President's image, this is not good. You could take somebody from Hughes (?). The problem is from the standpoint of my department, it's best to write it off, but from the health and environment standpoint, they'll think something is wrong.

K: I agree--it's bad. Let me see how far down the pike it is--if it can be reconsidered. My only view on PSAC is that in the defense field, they are outrageous. From that standpoint you are well off.

L: I know. I'm thinking from the standpoint of the effect on the country.

K: Good. Nice to talk to ybu.

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TELECON

Senator Jackson/Mr. Kissinger

7:25 p.m., August 18, 1970

J: We will take care of the amendment tomorrow, pretty lucky this time. Got them by 5 votes.

K: By 5 votes, aren't you terrific.

J: Well you are never sure but anyway we have got them by one or two. While I have you on the phone, I am pretty concerned about Israel's dispute on the question of the violations. I had hoped that we could resist getting in the position. Before we really get into discussions up there, they ought to give serious consideration to pulling back the SA-2s and 3s. It is incredible. I have been following very closely and think I can speak impartially. I have no Jewish (consanguinity?). Greatest story I can think of is the difference between quality and quantity.

K: That is true, that is true. If you are ahead in quality, it leaves you a thin margin if anything changes.

J: Tell the President that I am really concerned about going in there and insist that they pull back the SA-2s and 3s. I am not talking about making a blast in the paper. I can see the problem the President is having. Not a very good start on negotiations, we have played along very quietly and it wasn't until the President made that blast out on the West Coast (that we got any reaction from them). Give them the planes and then start talking to them. Don't think we ought to give very ______ in these negotiations until they move the SA-2s and 3s.

K: You mean on the ceasefire?

J: Tell the President -- I talked to him earlier.

K: I will tell him, you might even consider dropping him a little note.

J: I would be glad to do that. (I have no ax to grind.)

K: Get it to me but address it to him.

J: My position is that Russia would be in the Middle East even if Israel didn't exist. I documented this thing from year 1,000 up-to-date. It is not just Israel's dispute but Russia and Gemini over the Middle East.

K: We ought to get together.

J: Yes, let's do that.

wgh

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TELECON

Rick Smith (NYT)/Mr. Kissinger

7:35 p.m., August 18, 1970

K: What classified document do you want now?

S: No specific document, just the insights into some. Trying to find out if the President is becoming engaged (in the Israeli dispute).

K: The President only gets engaged when something goes wrong.

S: That is what ________. You are not engaged.

K: Who says that?

S: The Israelis.

K: They talk more to you than to me.

S: Was there any feeling that the President let them down or did they ________.

K: We are letting State handle the thing now.

S: It puzzles us at this stage of the game as to what the holdup is.

K: I don't think I want to get into that.

S: Not attributable ________.

K: Just say an unidentifiable source says that we are going to expel.

S: What about Secretary Laird's comments the other day. Deliberate exercise? The whole Roger's initiative.

K: We had a pretty commentary session on that day. He was scheduled for Issues and Answers for a long time.

S: He could have ________.

K: That would have been the first time in the history of the Secretary of Defense.

S: Wondered whether or not you have gotten anything you would consider satisfactory from the Russians on SALT.

K: Pretty much on course on that.