Brian S. Lowery: If you could produce now everybody's having. Like now, what I worry with all these kind of technologies: we all inhabit our own singular world. That is more frightening to me that we all converged. BSL: So what makes a human a human? Kylan Gibbs: It’s one of, I mean, there's like. One is from my personal life. One thing that's interesting is like, there's been points four to five hours a day. And the interesting thing that happens when you first start interacting with it, Similarly when people first had wow, this is like real life. But then as you get used to it, the things that make it less authentic. And I think something there's certain ways that we interact. There's something about the predictability about the spontaneity of being human. The ways they communicate. These little things that all add up. That's on the technical side. On the other side, there's something of just the shared that actually I think differentiates it. You know, you have and then you start to resonate. I feel like every time I've had it opened up a new door of empathy. Oh man, that really hurt, you know? Or like when you cry. And then you start to remember. I start crying about something, and then I think about all the things and the things that they felt. And I feel like there's something where we have these things we’re all different people. But there’s something that it all kind of arises from that. Anyway, that's one thought. BSL: I love that answer, and I want to say. Here's why I don't think you're normal. People anthropomorphize anything. It doesn't have to even. It doesn't have to be for people to treat it. People treat their cars. So I'm surprised that when it feels less real to you. KG: There's something about resolution. It's like the way of seeing the world. It's like the same reason. And it's someone I think who worked. The interesting thing about it was you're like, oh, the real world. And it's actually really hard. And I think the same is true for AI, when they interact with it, the thing that they see. But the thing that I always notice is, this is very different from. Even when it says something similar. It's those little things. That's like I think what, as people use AI more, and I can't even point at them like, that make us human? BSL: You just know it and it's missing an AI. I mean that's also interesting because what you just suggested: the less real it's going. Do you think that's KG: I mean, there's probably it's the same way as, you know, your Instagram and Facebook feed. There are certainly, kids especially. And feel like, oh, that's a real or my favorite celebrities when it's like completely -- largely false. And I do think something similar where some people for sure. And they will believe that that's the most and then start to compare people to that. But I think that, you know, you'll be like, oh. It's the same way even if you use. It's hard to pick it up. But like, I’m not picking up, and it's the very little nuances that you probably. BSL: So you don't think is going to advance quickly enough, where it’ll overcome those little things. You're not worried about that? KG: I am definitely worried about that. Mainly because because I think. So the thing about AI is it's so beholden, at least if you think it's so beholden to what we want. And that's kind of a lot of people want is the sense of control. And the AI gives you the sense that, like, I can control this anthropomorphic thing. And honestly, one of my fears. And what does it mean when that is beholden to only and then I go and interact with a human? BSL: Do you think people want control? I think people want to be controlled. KG: Maybe it's a form of control, though. To be controlled. BSL: Yeah, people want the world. KG: Yes, yes, I think they also. There's something about, like. So, like, I've even felt it a mental health moment. You have friends who have. The things that I've is your brain and your mind even if it's worse. So if you're in like a depressed state, you almost would rather like stick in that. So there's something rather than actually better. And I don't know, there's a bias you almost identifying then. BSL: Yeah, there's research on this. One, it's called the status quo bias. People like things that are already there. And two, people like to have what they if they really believe them. So that is true. So, like, what does that look like in AI? KG: I mean, it's definitely interesting. You talk to a lot of these things and they sound like AI, because it's kind of. If you start to add lots of personalities it makes sense in context, that as we started developing that people interact with, they all have this kind of similar voice. And it's a very "AI voice." You can kind of tell. Maybe that’s intentional. But there is something there, where like, to getting what they want and from AI, from AI. But that could blend, there's already lots of, you know, people in certain demographics and they start to identify, that's their favorite form. And so I do think as we move into the future, there will be people who bias. Whether it's the comfort of knowing whether it's like the format that will kind of bias towards. But on the other hand, I always think there’ll be a distribution of people, and you'll have some people. And, you know, like I was saying, the more that I interact with it now, because I just pick up that you're like, I can't even use it. And, you know, you'd think I’m in the AI space, I don't need AI for a single bit of it because it does remove that voice. And I do also wonder, though, as people interact with it more, will they either identify the differences or start to conform to the things? It's the same as if you interact. You start to be biased because you're talking so much. BSL: You mean they're training you? KG: They're training you. Your partner is probably like, you know, they have a preferred way. You get used to it, these kinds of things. So I do wonder if, as people that they'll kind of all converge. That's probably one. BSL: I'm concerned. I'm going to shift a little bit. So when we talk about AI, it's usually like dyadic interactions. Like, I'm interacting. But really what people do is interact. You interact in some community. And I'm surprised that there's.