The computer arrived and it looked brand new.  It set up easily and without fuss.  Unfortunately it shipped with windows 10 already loaded.  My compliments to the boys in the" Head in the Sand" division up there at Microsoft. Great machine, lousy operating system.  The computer worked fine or the first couple of months until the end of Feb. when it froze and I was unable to even type the pin to open the computer.  I took it in for repairs and $125 and a hard reboot and it was working fined again.  For about 3 weeks and then stopped closing websites, I end up with 10 more sites I cannot close, even when I try.  I can log off and then when I restart, there they are.  All in all the computer has been a complete waste of time and money.  Don't buy refurbished unless they tell you it has a new  mother board.