Went with a refurbished computer as a starter for a younger person.  In the past, I've had good luck with refurbished products but this one.  The condition out of the box was the first warning.  Too much to describe but a quick overview. Extremely cheap mouse. Keyboard didn't work. Base VGA cable. Dirty/stick computer case. Useless bluetooth/wifi dongles.Bottom line. I took a chance and it didn't pay off.  If you are going buy a refurbished computer I recommend spending a few more dollars and purchase directly from Dell/HP/etc.