I got this macbook pro to replace my 2011 macbook pro (which I bought as a refurb in 2011) which had lived a long good life but had a completely full memory with no battery left to speak of (although I have been using it for my job for the last 6 months anyways so here's to the longevity of macs). Anyways, I wanted an upgrade in space and function without breaking the bank, and a 2017 macbook pro is still new to me! This came within 24 hours, in an Apple Certified Refurbished shrink wrapped box with computer in plastic wrap, tissue between the keyboard and screen, and new charger etc. The computer itself is pristine. This is about $400 cheaper than if I got the same computer refurb directly from apple. The computer worked perfectly and so far so good. Will update if something horrible happens but as it is an Apple certified refurb and not just an Amazon Renewed, I think it should be fine!