I got a decent computer (not wonderful) for a decent price (not wonderful).  I wanted a full-sized case and motherboard due to some legacy hardware I have lying around, and I got that.  They missed by a bit when they shipped the first one, but promptly replaced it with a machine that met my needs.  So, with the usual roll-of-the-dice getting any refurb, they did reasonably well, and I'm considering getting another.  Hold the roach eggs.  ;-)-- Griz