Borders Welsh antiquarians of the 18th and 19th centuries hypothesized that the borders of Lloegyr ran roughly on a line from the Humber Estuary, continuing southwestwards and connecting to the Severn Estuary. The line continues south across the estuary, crossing South West England such that Cornwall and Devon are excluded from Lloegyr.:  " ... that part of ancient Britain, which was inhabited by the Belgians, properly speaking; also England, south of the Humber, exclusive of Wales , Cornwall, and Devon; but now it is the popular name for England in general....": " Lloegria. The Celtic name for Britain south-east of the Severn and Humber. " : "... The south part of England, bounded by the Severn and the Humber, exclusive of Cornwall, was the ancient Lloegyr but there is reason to conclude that the name was once confined to a still lesser extent of country; or so much of the southern coast as the Belgic Gauls possessed who did not coalesce in the Cymmry, and there was a considerable difference in their dialects. But Lloegyr now implies England in general." The division is mentioned in literature (e.g., the Welsh Triads), Triads of the Isle of Britain, beginning with Triad 2 and including others. and is supported by the works of respected historians such as John Rhys' Celtic Britain, Celtic Britain and John Edward Lloyd's A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest., A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest While Geoffrey of Monmouth invented fanciful characters and places in his stories of Loegria and its eponymous king Locrinus, he also showed that he was aware that the actual boundary of Lloegyr was known to run between the Humber and Severn estuaries, and that Cornwall was distinct from Loegria.Chronicle of the Kings of Britain: . .. When Brutus was dead, his sons partitioned the island amongst themselves; Locrinus as eldest son, took, as his share, the middle portion, and therefore this part was called Loegr, in reference to his name. The portion beyond the Severn fell to the lot of Camber, and from his name received that of Cambria. The third portion, which extends northwards from the Humber to Penrhyn Bladon, and is now called Scotland, was taken by Albanactus, and from his name called Albany. Thus they all reigned at one and the same time." Chronicle of the Kings of Britain: " ... When the districts they were to govern were assigned to them, that of York comprehended Deira and Bernicia, and all the country north of the Humber; that of London, Loegria and Cornwall, as far as the Severn; and that of Caerleon, Wales, from the Severn upwards, and a superiority over the other two."
Etymology The exact origin of the word is still a matter of speculation. 12th century AD author Geoffrey of Monmouth offered a fanciful etymology in his Historia regum Britanniae, deriving the names of Cambria, Loegria, and Albany from the sons of the fictional Brutus of Troy: Camber, Locrinus, and Albanactus, respectively, and makes them the eponymous kings of Wales and North England/Cambria (Camber), South England/Loegria (Locrinus), and Scotland/Albany (Albanactus). In 1982, noted linguist Eric Hamp suggested that Lloeg(y)r could be derived from a Proto-Celtic compound *(p)les-okri-s, meaning 'having a nearby border, being from near the border'.Eric P. Hamp, “‘Lloegr’: the Welsh name for England”, Cambridge Medieval Celtic Studies 4 (Winter 1982): 83–5. Ranko Matasović prefers to see Lloegr as coming from a Brittonic collective noun *Lāikor meaning ‘warriors’, the root of which he proposes gave Old Irish láech " warrior " (though some scholars regard the Old Irish word as a loan from Late Latin lāicus ‘layman; of the people’), from a Proto-Indo-European root *leh2- " war".Ranko Matasović, Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Celtic (Leiden: Brill, 2009), 235. The suffix -wys found in numerous Welsh ethnic names, including Lloegrwys, is derived from the Latin suffix -ēnsēs.John Koch, The Gododdin of Aneirin: text and context from Dark-Age North Britain (Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1997), 133. Richard Coates makes a suggestion which agrees semantically with Matasović's, but proposes instead that it is borrowed from West Germanic (i.e. pre-Old English) *laikārōs ‘performers of exploits, players (in a military sense), warriors’.Richard Coates, “Welsh Lloegr ‘England’”, Cambrian Medieval Celtic Studies 74 (Winter 2017): 41-5. To the Welsh, Lloegyr was a foreign land with a foreign populace, distinct from the lands and peoples of the Cymry, reciprocated in English with Wales and Welsh. Cymry is the Welsh word for themselves and historically included all of the Britons living north and west of the present use of Lloegyr (England), south of the Scottish firths of Clyde and Forth (formerly apart of Hen Ogledd and later Northumbria) and not including the people of Cornwall and Devon (formerly one Dumnonia)., A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest, The Fifth Century
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Borders Welsh antiquarians of the 18th and 19th centuries hypothesized that the borders of Lloegyr ran roughly on a line from the Humber Estuary, continuing southwestwards and connecting to the Severn Estuary. The line continues south across the estuary, crossing South West England such that Cornwall and Devon are excluded from Lloegyr.:
Etymology The exact origin of the word is still a matter of speculation. 12th century AD author Geoffrey of Monmouth offered a fanciful etymology in his Historia regum Britanniae, deriving the names of Cambria, Loegria, and Albany from the sons of the fictional Brutus of Troy: Camber, Locrinus, and Albanactus, respectively, and makes them the eponymous kings of Wales and North England/Cambria (Camber), South England/Loegria (Locrinus), and Scotland/Albany (Albanactus).
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In 1982, noted linguist Eric Hamp suggested that Lloeg(y)r could be derived from a Proto-Celtic compound *(p)les-okri-s, meaning 'having a nearby border, being from near the border'.Eric P. Hamp, “‘Lloegr’: the Welsh name for England”, Cambridge Medieval Celtic Studies 4 (Winter 1982): 83–5. Ranko Matasović prefers to see Lloegr as coming from a Brittonic collective noun *Lāikor meaning ‘warriors’, the root of which he proposes gave Old Irish láech
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... that part of ancient Britain, which was inhabited by the Belgians, properly speaking; also England, south of the Humber, exclusive of Wales , Cornwall, and Devon; but now it is the popular name for England in general....":
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Lloegria. The Celtic name for Britain south-east of the Severn and Humber.
(though some scholars regard the Old Irish word as a loan from Late Latin lāicus ‘layman; of the people’), from a Proto-Indo-European root *leh2-
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: "... The south part of England, bounded by the Severn and the Humber, exclusive of Cornwall, was the ancient Lloegyr but there is reason to conclude that the name was once confined to a still lesser extent of country; or so much of the southern coast as the Belgic Gauls possessed who did not coalesce in the Cymmry, and there was a considerable difference in their dialects. But Lloegyr now implies England in general." The division is mentioned in literature (e.g., the Welsh Triads), Triads of the Isle of Britain, beginning with Triad 2 and including others. and is supported by the works of respected historians such as John Rhys' Celtic Britain, Celtic Britain and John Edward Lloyd's A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest., A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest
war".Ranko Matasović, Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Celtic (Leiden: Brill, 2009), 235. The suffix -wys found in numerous Welsh ethnic names, including Lloegrwys, is derived from the Latin suffix -ēnsēs.John Koch, The Gododdin of Aneirin: text and context from Dark-Age North Britain (Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1997), 133. Richard Coates makes a suggestion which agrees semantically with Matasović's, but proposes instead that it is borrowed from West Germanic (i.e. pre-Old English) *laikārōs ‘performers of exploits, players (in a military sense), warriors’.Richard Coates, “Welsh Lloegr ‘England’”, Cambrian Medieval Celtic Studies 74 (Winter 2017): 41-5.
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While Geoffrey of Monmouth invented fanciful characters and places in his stories of Loegria and its eponymous king Locrinus, he also showed that he was aware that the actual boundary of Lloegyr was known to run between the Humber and Severn estuaries, and that Cornwall was distinct from Loegria.Chronicle of the Kings of Britain: . .. When Brutus was dead, his sons partitioned the island amongst themselves; Locrinus as eldest son, took, as his share,
To the Welsh, Lloegyr was a foreign land with a foreign populace, distinct from the lands and peoples of
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middle portion, and therefore this part was called Loegr, in reference to his name. The portion beyond the Severn fell to the lot of Camber, and from his name received that of Cambria. The third portion, which extends northwards from the Humber to Penrhyn Bladon, and is now called Scotland, was taken by Albanactus, and from his name called Albany. Thus they all reigned at one and the same time." Chronicle of the Kings of Britain: " ... When the districts they were to govern were assigned to them, that of York comprehended Deira and Bernicia, and all the country north of the Humber; that of London, Loegria and Cornwall, as far as the Severn; and that of Caerleon, Wales, from the Severn upwards, and a superiority over the other two."
Cymry, reciprocated in English with Wales and Welsh. Cymry is the Welsh word for themselves and historically included all of the Britons living north and west of the present use of Lloegyr (England), south of the Scottish firths of Clyde and Forth (formerly apart of Hen Ogledd and later Northumbria) and not including the people of Cornwall and Devon (formerly one Dumnonia)., A History of Wales from the Earliest Times to the Edwardian Conquest, The Fifth Century