9 . junior subordinated debt securities payable in accordance with the provisions of the junior subordinated debt securities which were issued on march 29 , 2004 , holdings elected to redeem the $ 329897 thousand of 6.2% ( 6.2 % ) junior subordinated debt securities outstanding on may 24 , 2013 . as a result of the early redemption , the company incurred pre-tax expense of $ 7282 thousand related to the immediate amortization of the remaining capitalized issuance costs on the trust preferred securities . interest expense incurred in connection with these junior subordinated debt securities is as follows for the periods indicated: .

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• ( dollars in thousands ), years ended december 31 , 2014, years ended december 31 , 2013, years ended december 31 , 2012
• interest expense incurred, $ -, $ 8181, $ 20454
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holdings considered the mechanisms and obligations relating to the trust preferred securities , taken together , constituted a full and unconditional guarantee by holdings of capital trust ii 2019s payment obligations with respect to their trust preferred securities . 10 . reinsurance and trust agreements certain subsidiaries of group have established trust agreements , which effectively use the company 2019s investments as collateral , as security for assumed losses payable to certain non-affiliated ceding companies . at december 31 , 2014 , the total amount on deposit in trust accounts was $ 322285 thousand . on april 24 , 2014 , the company entered into two collateralized reinsurance agreements with kilimanjaro re limited ( 201ckilimanjaro 201d ) , a bermuda based special purpose reinsurer , to provide the company with catastrophe reinsurance coverage . these agreements are multi-year reinsurance contracts which cover specified named storm and earthquake events . the first agreement provides up to $ 250000 thousand of reinsurance coverage from named storms in specified states of the southeastern united states . the second agreement provides up to $ 200000 thousand of reinsurance coverage from named storms in specified states of the southeast , mid-atlantic and northeast regions of the united states and puerto rico as well as reinsurance coverage from earthquakes in specified states of the southeast , mid-atlantic , northeast and west regions of the united states , puerto rico and british columbia . on november 18 , 2014 , the company entered into a collateralized reinsurance agreement with kilimanjaro re to provide the company with catastrophe reinsurance coverage . this agreement is a multi-year reinsurance contract which covers specified earthquake events . the agreement provides up to $ 500000 thousand of reinsurance coverage from earthquakes in the united states , puerto rico and canada . kilimanjaro has financed the various property catastrophe reinsurance coverage by issuing catastrophe bonds to unrelated , external investors . on april 24 , 2014 , kilimanjaro issued $ 450000 thousand of variable rate notes ( 201cseries 2014-1 notes 201d ) . on november 18 , 2014 , kilimanjaro issued $ 500000 thousand of variable rate notes ( 201cseries 2014-2 notes 201d ) . the proceeds from the issuance of the series 2014-1 notes and the series 2014-2 notes are held in reinsurance trust throughout the duration of the applicable reinsurance agreements and invested solely in us government money market funds with a rating of at least 201caaam 201d by standard & poor 2019s. .

Question: what is the percentage change in interest expense from 2012 to 2013?
Program: subtract(8181, 20454), divide(#0, 20454)
Answer: -0.60003