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Again I assume this is not just flame bait by Roger, but actually a truly held opinion.    In article <1993Apr26.004705.24794@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >I would say that the letter clearly implies representation of the views of >a group that I belong to.  And I don't share those views.  And I don't >believe that the majority of posters on r.s.hockey share those views.  >And so I have no intention of allowing them to simply "go ahead" without >making my feelings on the subject clear.  Thanks.  For speaking for all those who didn't feel it was important enough to say something themselves.    I wouldn't say that the letter clearly implies representation of the views of a group that you belong to.  It represents a subset (that you don't belong to) of a larger group (which you do, if only because this isn't a moderated group).  Look, there are several ways to state an opposing viewpoint.  Three that come to mind are as follows:  1) Say it subtly.  Result: it may not be clear. 2) Say it directly yet politely.  Result: probably it will spark some     interesting conversation. 3) Say it directly and obnoxiously.  Result: validity goes right out    the window.  >I would agree that unwarranted use of said term is entirely immature.  You realize that anything you say can, and most certainly will, be used against you.
In article <93102@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >  > 	I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know > who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's > of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your > vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu >  > 	Thanks for your time.  I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face/head.  I can't remember who it was or even if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here).  This is by far the funniest mask I've seen, and for me funny=cool
I've heard that you can score on Belfour by shooting high  because he goes down a lot, and on Potvin by shooting high  on him and then getting the rebound in because he plays so deep in the net.  Any truth to these?   			Brad
Richard J Coyle (gomer+@pitt.edu) wrote:  : That's not inner calm.  It's boredom, and it's being spoiled.  The Arena's : been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just : take winning for granted.  It's been seemingly forever since the team : lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and : surprise at victory.  At least last night there was some excitement. The Pens  didn't have it wrapped up before the game was half over like  the previous two games. I'm not sure if NJ just rose up and  played better or if the Penguins just started to play down  somewhat. Probably it was somewhere in between. New Jersey  seemed much more aggressive last night in the Pens end. They  did much more swarming around, which at least kept an  element of suspense in the game. No question that Billington  helped make it more interesting also. Claude Lemieux didn't  help the cause any though, with his ejection early in the  game. So, who's going to start in the Devils goal for the  "final" game Sunday? ;-) Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
In article G2o@ccu.umanitoba.ca, umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:  >Oh yeah...and I CAN go to the Arena and see not one, not two, but >*six* championship banners hanging from the rafters.  3 Stanley Cup >banners, and 3 Avco Cup banners.  My NHL guide says that Vancouver has >won the Cup once (as many times as the rockin' town of Kenora has won it!)  Don't let this confuse anybody.  The Winnipeg Jets have never won the Stanley Cup (or even come that close).  These Stanley Cup championships go back a LONG way to about the turn of the century.  The Winnipeg Victorias won one or more of these Cups- the Jets didn't win any of them.  Can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about a playoff series going on today than who won more Stanley Cups around the turn of the century??  Lets face facts.  The Canucks are leading the series 3-1.  The Canucks dominated the Jets in their season series.  The Canucks did better in the regular season than Winnipeg.  Who is the better team?  I think that the facts show that Vancouver is better than Winnipeg.
Quebec dominated Habs for first 2 periods and only Roy kept this one from being rout, although he did blow 2nd goal. Canadians showed up in third but Nords were playing dump & pull back most of the time. Hextall made some good saves but really this one was lost in first period when nords scored 3 & could have had 5, plus another 4 in 2nd. Canadians are dead meat, they may take one or 2 but this one is over. Tee it up Jacques, next time you might rest players & forget about 1st place, welcome to the Adams division.
>>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported     >>tht Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin  >>Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Philldelphia, Phillie will send  >>Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick  >>to Montreal.  >>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything.        > Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky      > trade to Toronto????               ^^^^^?!!!  Listen, *ASSHOLE*, I'm just commenting on what I heard  reported on the sports news!!  You'll notice my skeptical comment!  Sheesh... I thought this group  wasfor conversation!  Guess I was wrong. }-<
Geoff Filinuk (filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu) wrote:  : 	This comes indirectly from Al Morgani who works in the studio : for ESPN hockey. [Some text deleted] : 	ESPN is under contractual obligation to show baseball and COULD NOT : broadcast the OT of the hockey game.  Next year, ESPN2 will be introduced so  : baseball fans can watch baseball and hockey fans can watch hockey.  I hadn't heard about this new ESPN2. When is this new network supposed to start? Sounds great to me! (as long as my cable co. offers it)
Being a proud BU alumnus, I'd like to get a list of BU players in  the NHL so I can keep an eye on their progress. A lot of Terriers are graduating this year so I hope to see them soon in the NHL. If somebody could post or send me a list, I'd appreciate it. Please note if the player graduated from here or not.
In article <rauser.734062608@sfu.ca>, rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > >    Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick > of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the > Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and > "Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, > and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other > teams is getting worse as well.      I'm sick too watching all-american names like GRETZKY etc.      Which names you accept ? Sitting bull and dances with wolves ?      It is North America. What are you doing here ?
In article KKq@acsu.buffalo.edu, v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes... >>  >>If the Penguins get out of the Patrick, they will win the >>cup.  However, their hardest task is to get out of that division. >>I'm sure that Washington will most definitly throw a rench into the >>Penguin plans.  I'm a Canucks fan (not that I think much of their >>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. > >I was under the impression that the Penguins has had the Caps number for  >most of the season. > >>  >>  >>  >>=============================================******>> >>  >>  Mathew Tasalloti >>  MPR Teltech Ltd. >>  Vancouver, BC, Canada     >>  >>              <<******================================================== >******************************************************************************** >Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on matters I have no >concern over. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Go Islanders, Playoffs here we come >Go Jets for '93 >********************************************************************************   And last year the Capitals had the Pens number up until about game 3 of the playoffs.
>All time NHL leading goal scorers (* denotes active player): > >  1.  Gordie Howe          Det-Hfd                            801 >  2. *Wayne Gretzky        Edm-LA                             765 >  . >  . >  . I wonder how many more years it will take Gretz to beat this one? ;-)
1993-1994 NHL Hockey Pool By Denis Papp and Chris Stoochnoff   Rules:   - Pick 17 players (3 LW, 3 C, 3 RW, 3 LD, 3 RD, 2 Goalies)   You may pick ANY 17 players from any team.   - Points for players are as follows:         - 1 point per goal         - 1 point per assist         - 1 point per 10 PIM   - Points for goalies are as follows:         - 2 points per win         - 1 point per tie         - 1 point per assist         - 1 point per 5 PIM         - 2 points per shutout         - 100 points per goal   Entries:   -Entries can be sent (by mail or ascii text file) to Chris Stoochnoff or Denis Papp on Hard Wired BBS (434-7996).  -Due date for entries is the first day of regular season play. After that, no more entries will be accepted (unless it is just slightly late. If that is the case, there will be a small penalty applied to the team). -internet users can send email to dpapp@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca   Prizes:   Prizes have not yet been considered. They could range from nothing to free time on Hard Wired BBS or even something else (if you have any suggestions... please feel free to put your two cents worth in).  One idea is to get whoever is willing to to submit an equal amount of money, and that will go to be the prize money.  The prize money will go to the top team who has submitted to the prize pool.  A list of all people who submit money will be posted, as well as those who didnt - if it is done this way.  Cost:   The cost... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! There is absolutely no fee for this pool.   Note:   -If you have any questions, please feel free to send them to Denis Papp or myself (Chris Stoochnoff). The players positions (ie. Brett Hull is Right Wing) will be decided by the year book I will be using. So, if you do not know a certain players position, or you are not completely sure what position he plays, then ask me and I'll tell you.   -And for a great time, call the Hard Wired BBS at (403)-434-7996 (this will be the location where the pool standings will be displayed).   Internet Users:
In article <1993Apr25.222739.16828@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr25.214053.21752@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > > >>Dear Mr. Bettman - > (Ali's letter deleted for brevity)  >[...] (Roger's acid-laced response removed) >Maybe we should get together and establish some kind of mandatory maturity >level to keep some of this stuff off of the air.  Roger, Your responses might just exclude you from sharing your opinions, then.  You see, the same rights Ali has to mail her letter to the NHL are the same ones that let you post replies that mow her down like wheat at harvest-time.  She never said she represented the entire internet or the entire group rec.sport.hockey.  She has every right to state her opinion along with those of the fifty or sixty or hundred-odd folk who've agreed to allow her to list their names on the bottom of it.  You may not agree with it.  Fine.  I really don't care enough about the name change to care.  Your name isn't attached to it, so why moan and complain?  If you felt her words were leading, well, you're free to feel that way and take exception, but manners never hurt.  I personally disagree and feel her generalizations were fine (I have the right to think and say that, too).  Ali's under no compunction to change a single word.  Now, while you're free to disagree with every word she wrote, to tear apart her character is uncalled for.  I'm posting this as a form of public reprimand.  If you tear down Ali's integrity and character publicly, you'll get chastised publicly in return.  Would it have been so hard to say, "Ali, please be a bit more specific in your description, the way I've read it indicates you're stating my view also, and that's simply not true. I'd really like to see a disclaimer noting that you don't mean the entire internet or the entire r.s.h. group attached to it, despite your intent to list names at the bottom.  Thanks.  Cordially as always," &c.  Calling her a moron and an asshole just reduces the weight of your words and the opinions of their author in the eyes of myself, and possibly others.    Oh, and Ali, nice to see someone standing up for something, even if it's not something I personally advocate.  :-)
In article <0fq1Vru00WBNA3L3pI@andrew.cmu.edu> "Matthew T. Keating" <mk55+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >During the first three games of the Pens-Devils series, I have been >impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the Pens.  Jagr, >MacEachern and Barrasso have been especially fun to watch.  But, one >element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be Scotty Bowman. >  Bowman is in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a coach already...and unlike Gil Stein...he didn't get their by stacking the Board of Directors! -)  > >While no one can replace the genius and optimism of Badger Bob Johnson, >Bowman, in his own way, has made himself a permanent, though not clearly >seen, mark in  Pittsburgh.   Bowman is the genius...Johnson isn't.  Bowman is a great coach...Johnson, a very good one.  However, Bowman is really not a modern coach, and Patrick's solution of having him only run the team on game days, and delegate most of the day-to-day responsibity to the assistants is a shrewd managerial decision on Patrick's part.
Us easterners who have newspapers with editors unsympathetic to playoff pools, often don't get summaries from west coast games since they finish too late at night for the morning edition.  I (and I'm sure others too) would greatly appreciate it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games could be posted to this group right away. basically, all we need are goal scorers and assists, don't bother with times, penalties, shots etc...  this would make a lot of pool-obsessed people very happy.  I guess with the Senators out golfing now, the  local papers have lost interest.  ;-)  thanks.  kd.
Well I just read in the Boston Globe that while not confirming (or denying) anything, Walsh may end up with the Rangers organizations as an (assistant Coach?).  Keenan has talked with Walsh in the past (he came up to see Kariya as he will be coaching him in the worlds, funny I guess he got to watch the Ferraro brothers as well.....) I'm not sure if walsh will go, but if Keenan is getting 700,000 and walsh even gets 100,000 that's a 30% pay raise for walsh (not to mention a nice career move....) Anyone from New York Hear anything about this????????                 Pat Ellis     P.S.  GO BRUINS    GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS    42-1-2       NUMBER 1......                     HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....                    HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......                    PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......          NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Post: 51246 of 51422 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) >Subject: Plus minus stat >Organization: University of Western Ontario >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:42:11 GMT >Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca >Lines: 165   >I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all >that much.  But your dismissal of him as something less than an >effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in >anything.  How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go                      ^^^^^^^ Ooops...that should read Selke...forgive me for my insolence.   congenially, as always,   jd   --  James David  j3david@student.business.uwo.ca
You might want to clarify the 11 game winning streak.  That Pens streak is a PLAYOFF streak (tied by the Chicago Blackhawks, who had won 11 in a row until they met the Pens in the finals last year)  The 18 game unbeaten, so far, is a regular season unbeaten streak.  But hey, don't take it personally.  I'm a Flyers fan and two in a row is a stretch.  But with a healthy Lindros, Recchi, Brind'amour and Tommy Soderstrom, they'll be there next year! By the way, since the Flyers need defenseman, what kind of trade would anybody suggest from the existing Flyers roster since the scuttlebutt is that  Terry Carkner won't be there next year and apart from him a piece of notebook paper would be better defense.
In article <1993Apr19.003221.11964@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: [Evan Pritchard writes:]  >>	I think that you are incorrect, Roger.  Patrick, >>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming >>front office types.  Hence, they did help build the league, although >>they were not great players themselves.   > >Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than >those of the above combined.  Should we name a division or trophy after >him?  [owner vs. player contributions deleted...] >Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution >or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the  >sport itself?   [stuff deleted...]  >The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and >that is: "it is the players that are what make the game great and not the >people who put them on the ice"    As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons.  Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his was a "jingoistic rant", but you also supported the name-changing on the grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I  think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all.  Just an  observation...  However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour.  IMO, the latter is a nice and unique touch that differs from other sports.  In addition, I do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway.  If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not  central to the original article.  Something to consider additionally is whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to play in.  In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although it was the chicken.....)  >Exactly true.  Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch >is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame.  I have >always thought that this was nonsense.  Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up.
Speaking of Roger and ilk, whatever happened to good ol' gln?  I had him in my kill file since last year's playoffs and now that I've moved to a new news reader which doesn't have kill files, I find that he's gone.  I must admit, however, that unlike gln, Roger seems to know something about the game as long as the subject doesn't touch on the Leafs.
During the first three games of the Pens-Devils series, I have been impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the Pens.  Jagr, MacEachern and Barrasso have been especially fun to watch.  But, one element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be Scotty Bowman.  Despite Brooks' lunatic comments, and despite the Devils' line changing adantage in last night's game, Bowman has been able to keep his cool and keep the Devils in the dark.  Granted, the hell-dwellers had the Pens bottled up for a while last night, but Bowman was eventually able to configure his line-up to get the job done.  His ability to throw out new looks and strategies at a moments notice is incredible.  Bowman seems to have a terrific ability of reading his players on an individual basis.  Last night, for instance, he realized that the speed of Jagr, Straka, and MacEachern was throwing the Devils off balance.  As a result, Straka received many more shifts than average; Jagr played almost the entire game (he was always on the puck), and MacEachern scored a goal, while complementing Jagr many times throughout the night. His ability to commit to one player in crucial situations is commendable, especially when a coach of such a talented team might simply rely on the overall talent to dominate, and to bring about success.
Ok, it seems that everyone else in canada was treated to the  REAL ABC telecast while only the people on ROGERS TV in Surrey BC  were treated to two channels with Don "I stink as a Commentator" Whitman doing the play-by-play.
In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes:  >The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals >from being scored- not to score them.  When Lemieux or Gilmour play their >number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering >the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one.  That is >why they are not Selke candidates. >Gainey is the best defensive forward ever.  I stand by that assessment. >He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame.  Did you >ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.  I watched him over his entire career.  I have NEVER seen a player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey.  And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down.  You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.  Gainey was a plugger.  And when the press runs out of things to say about  the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers.  Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...  cordially, as always,  rm
In <andy.bgsu.edu-250493225109@m248-100.bgsu.edu> andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan ) writes:  >  Paul Stewart called *the* single worst game I've seen this year. > Federov's major was obvious, and I don't dispute it.   >However, Chaisson's penalty shouldn't even have been a penalty, let alone > a major and a game misconduct. >  I don't "notice" refs and linesmen until the playoffs come around, and yes I have to agree that Stewart called the *two* worst games I've seen so far (Mtl-Quebec game 1, and last nights Toronto-Detroit game).  What's the scoop on this guy? Is he the latest incarnation of KERRY FRASER??? Just because you are boneheadedly stubborn doesn't make you a good ref!!! Making the right call does...  My votes for: Best Ref: Van Hellemond Most Improved: Koharski Worst: Paul Stewart  (Oops, I don't really want to start a best/worst ref thread so don't follow up ;-)
In article <1993Apr15.162719@staff.dccs.upenn.edu>, filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) writes: ] 	Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat > the Pens are kidding themselves.  The Pens may not loose > one game in the playoffs.   Let's be honest.  The Pens may not 'loose' one game as you put it, but they will definitely lose one game.  Remember, the regular season doesn't mean much when it comes to  playoff time.  The Caps have a shot at least - the Flyers sure don't