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In article <1smbma$8mr@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes: >3) If I decided to go back to the land from which my relatives had been  >expelled 2000 years ago, but first I convert to any other religion, can I  >apply to the law of Return as a member of the Jewish Nation or should I  >apply as someone whose mother is Jewish?  I'm not sure about this but I hope the answer is that you can't apply under the law of return.  By conversion, you've elected not to be a part of the Jewish nation.   >5) What has change in me between the day before and the day after I converted >to loose my being part of the Jewish Nation?  At the moment you converted, you officially anounced to the world that *you* do not consider yourself to be part of the Jewish Nation.  So, why should the Jewish Nation consider you to be a member?   >Suppose my father is Arab. Suppose he was born in Palestine, in some place  >which now is part of Israel. Suppose that his father, and his grandfather as >well as 20 or 30 generations before him were born in that place. >Now suppose there is a war of independence and my father, scared by all the >fighting going on, tries to take his family to a place more secure, among  >people he knows, who speak a language he understands, who worship the same >god. Now, suppose that that place is some other Arab country.  >And, now suppose that the war is over and that there is a new country created >where my father used to live, and that that country is called Israel. >And, that in that country, Jews from all over the world are received. And >that people whose family left thet country 200 generation ago are recieved and >granted full-citizenship. >Should I, if I decided to go back to my father's land, where he was born as >20 or 30 generations of my family were born, have the right to go back and >ask to be recognized in the same way those who are returning after 2000 >years?  No.  As a result of wars brought by the Arabs against the Jews in an attempt to annihilate Israel, the Arabs have lost their claim to land there.  Attacking Israel is/was illegal and they now have to pay the price.  Do I feel sorry for the Palestinians?  Yes I do.  But I blame the Arab nations for their problems, not Israel.
In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >  > From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> > Subject: Ten questions about Israel >  >  > Ten questions to Israelis > ------------------------- >  > I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to > provide >  accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are > indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by > people around me.                                       >  > 1.      Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize > Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens > must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as > Israelis ?   	That's true. Israeli ID cards do not identify people 	as Israelies. Smart huh?   > 3.      Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, > could you provide any evidence ?  	Yes. There's one warhead in my parent's backyard in 	Beer Sheva (that's only some 20 miles from Dimona, 	you know). Evidence? I saw it!    > 4.      Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > state secrets ?  	Yes. But unfortunately I can't give you more details. 	That's _secret_, you see.   			[...]  >  > Thanks, >  > Elias Davidsson Iceland email:   elias@ismennt.is   	You're welcome. Now, let me ask you a few questions, if you 	don't mind:  	1. Is it true that the Center for Policy Research is a  	   one-man enterprise?  	2. Is it true that your questions are not being asked 	   bona fide?  	3. Is it true that your statement above, "These are indeed  	   provocative questions but they are asked time and again by 	   people around me" is not true?
In article <C6vExt.Lxn@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >In article <1993May7.175730.12246@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > >Why is it, then, that when the British, Iranians and UAE refer to >Occupied Territory, they mean territory in dispute in Israel but not >in their own affairs?  I suppose for the same reason Jews call the Occupied Territory, Judea and Sumaria.  It's called propaganda and if you repeat lies often enough, people start to believe it.
In article <1993May13.201441.23139@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: >It seems that, to keep the peace talks going, Israel has to keep >making goodwill gesture after goodwill gesture, while Palestinian >Arabs continue to go around hunting Jews.  You *know* that putting something like this out on the newsgroup is *only* going to generate flames, not discussion. Try adding some substance to the issue of "gestures" you mentioned. > >If the peace talks are going to have any realistic chance of success, >the Arabs are going to have to start reciprocating, especially since >they are the ones who will be getting tangible concessions in return >for giving up only intangibles.    What is it you feel that Israel *has* offered as a "gesture"? What would you (*realistically*) expect to see presented by the Arabs/Palestinians in the way of "gesture"?  >If they keep trying to change the already agreed upon rules, which seems  >to be one of their favorite games, the Israelis are not likely to be very  >confident that the intangibles they will receive at the bargaining table  >will be worth the parchment they're written on.  What are the "rules" that have been bent by Arab actions? It would seem that the Israeli deportations were seen by the other side as an example of "changing the rules".  > >It takes two to negotiate a peace.  It's time for the Arabs to start >doing their share. > >Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
In article <1sueslINNa6g@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, jovanovic-nick@yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes:   > "Muslim" in ex-Yugoslavia was a *nation* not a religion.  In fact, not > all Muslims in B-H are followers of Islam.  Therefore, there do (did?) > exist in ex-Yugoslavia "Christian Muslims."    Yeah!  That's it! :)  You've really outdone yourself this time Nick... Don't forget the "Davidian Muslims"... :)  Islam is not a race.  It's a religion.  You can be white, black, Fijian or Alaskan.  I guess you didn't absorb too much of the Malcolm X interest circulating.  You see, the whole point of Islam is that it stresses equality amongst all peoples.  Now, I do realize this is difficult for you to comprehend given your staunch beliefs in Serbian ethnic cleansing, but give it a try, it's really not that difficult.  > The war is not a religious war, and it is not an ethnic war.    That's right, it's a Disneyland war -- all a setup for the TV cameras. There are also people who believe man never landed on the moon, that the whole Apollo story was done in TV studios...  > It is a > civil war in which the terms of secession are being negotiated with guns > instead of pens.  The Croat, Muslim, and Serb political leaders *all* > chose to fight over the terms of secession instead of compromising and > peacefully negotiating multilateral secession agreements.   Terms of secession?  You are, of course, joking, right Nick?  Nobody *chose* to fight.  Bosnia and Croatia were *internationally* recognized nations when the Serbs attacked and started on their well-documented genocide.  That makes them an outside aggressor.  It's a simple genocide, a classical example of ethnic cleansing.  There is no question of civil war...
In article <C6x44y.3xD@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mohamed.s.sadek, sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com writes: >I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. > >Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >and calling that "moral rape". > >He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY" > > >Mohamed  Biden spoke well.  Then there was John Major, the architect of the betrayal of Bosnian Muslims to genocide.    He basically has given yet another green light to HVO Ustashe and Mladic-Chetnik serial killers, rapists, and plunderers to continue their genocide against Bosnian Muslims.  But Major met with Mr. Rushdie and said it was "unacceptable" that Iran should have a death decree on him.  While I disagree personally with Fetwas against hack writers like Rushdie (it only helps them sell more books), I find it interesting that Mr. Major finds the genocide of two million Muslims in Bosnia acceptable, but a threat against one single popular British writer "unacceptable."
In article <30975@galaxy.ucr.edu> raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu (Raffi R Kojian) writes:  >It  was five years ago that Karabakh voted overwhelmingly to seperate  >from  Azerbaijan, why is the UN not enforcing their will?  Is that how the mind of a compulsive liar works? The scenario and  genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in x-Soviet Armenia  is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable  similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the underdogs.   The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre:  69 year old Hatin Nine telling:  -''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.''  72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu:  - ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours.   While killing children and babies mercilessly they said: You are   Turks, you must die.''  28 year old Gulsum Huseyin:  - ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of     my eyes.''  Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming? Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region?  The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off.  Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these "lies." They are saying "exaggeration." That means ''somethings'' have happened but the situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's 3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach...  The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word.  Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre.  Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.''  The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human rights violations. International reactions must be made with international cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming to be civilized.  Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals, journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such as France who are fast to claim leadership of "human rights?" Where are you?  Serdar Argic
In article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:  |> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU  writes: |> |>  |> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> |> |> --  |> |> |> Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org |> |> Mr. water-head, |> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that |> |> israel went into southern lebanon to  make sure that no  |> |> water is being used on the lebanese |> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there |> |> israel will use it  !#$%^%&&*-head. |>  |> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more |> difficult.  You have not bothered to substantiate this in |> any way.  Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support |> this? |>  |> I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan |> had been writing it. |>  |> Newsflash: |> Cairo AP (Ancient Press).  Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red |> Sea.  In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of |> the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea. |> The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment. |> Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been |> denied their livelihood by the parted waters.  Pharaoh's brave charioteers |> were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the |> Red Sea to return to their normal state.  Unfortunately they suffered |> heavy casualties while doing so.  Hehehe.  BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken.
In revision of history <9304131827@zuma.UUCP> as posted by Turkish Government Agents under the guise of sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) LIE in response to article <1993Apr13.033213.4148@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org and scribed:   [(*]    Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either  [(*]    he gives up his honorary position or he will be "executed". He  [(*]    refuses. "Responsibility" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA.  [(*]    May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts [(*]	Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow  [(*]	to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of  [(*]	"honorary consul". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. [(*]	President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- [(*]	witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down.  He  [(*]	survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting "triumphs" in  [(*]	the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder  [(*]	brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer  [(*]	within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing  [(*]	in self-satisfaction. [(*]  [(*]    Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak?   [(*]   	December 17, 1980 - Sydney [(*]	Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin  [(*]    Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility.  Mr. Turkish Governmental Agent: prove that the SDPA even existed in 1980 or 1982! Go ahead, provide us the newspaper accounts of the assassinations and  show us the letters SDPA! The Turkish government is good at excising text from their references, let's see how good thay are at adding text to verifiable  newspaper accounts!   The Turkish government can't support any of their anti-Armenian claims as typified in the above scribed garbage! That government continues to make  false and libelous charges for they have no recourse left after having made  fools out of through their attempt at a systematic campaign at denying and  covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians.   Just like a dog barking at a moving bus, it barks, jumps, yells, until the bus stops, at which point it just walks away! Such will be with this posting! Turkish agents level the most ridiculous charges, and when brought to answer,  they are silent, like the dog after the bus stops!  The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra- nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its  revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the  world.   The resulting inability to address Armenian and Greek refutations of Turkey`s re-write of history is to refer to me as a terrorist, and worse, claim -- as part of the record -- I took responsibility for the murder of 2 people!  What a pack of raging fools, blinded by anti-Armenian fascism. It's too bad the socialization policies of the Republic of Turkey requires it to always  find non-Turks to de-humanize! Such will be their downfall!
In article <C65CMD.C1M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu  (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr27.011549.7010@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Hamid Reza  Mohammadi Daniali writes:  You deliberately deleted a line! I don't remember how wrote it, but I remember  what he wrote. He wrote  Happy 45 birth day of Israel!  and I worte:  |>  |> >[HAMID] Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been  |> >[HAMID] killed by Israel  during these 44 HAPPY YEAR? |>  |> Not sure.  But the number of Israelis killed defending Israel is a little more |> than 17,000 in the last 45 years and 61,000 injured. |>   Is this means that  the number of the people have been killed by Israel are so high that you can not keep the track of, or this is also a part of Zionism  ideology that you don't need to keep  the track of the people you kill?  Just kill!  Hamid
In article <EGGERTJ.93May9230207@moses.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@ll.mit.edu writes: >In article <C6rspz.64D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:  >It is important to note that there remains at least one mosque in the >Jewish quarter of the Old City, at least according to my map.  You >might be able to find it just north of the Hurva synagogue.  Is this >mosque really still there?    Yes, it is.  I have taken photos of it's minaret.  >Was this mosque built by "squatters" too?  Dunno.  >One should compare this treatment with the one given synagogues in the >Jewish quarter in 1948, when it fell under Arab dominion.  22 of the >27 synagogues were burned down by mobs, and the other 5 were razed by >the Jordanian army.  I think that in comparison the Israelis have done >an excellent, but certainly not perfect, job at maintaining Arab >mosques.  This doesn't sound like "eye for an eye" anymore.  Changed your tune?
In article <4806@bimacs.BITNET> huna@bimacs.BITNET (Emmanuel Huna) writes: > >        Mr. Steel, from what I've read Tsiel is not a racist, but you >are an anti semitic.  And stop shouting, you fanatic,  Mr. Emmanuel Huna,  Give logic a break will you.  Gosh, what kind of intelligence do you have, if any?   Tesiel says :  Be a man not an arab for once. I say       :  Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above).  I get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised? Well Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark. I praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me a racist without a proof because I am not.  You have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning and you are just a moron that's loose on the net.
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes.  /* Written  4:43 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- "From Israeli press. Short notes." ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS  Hadashot, 14 March 1993:  The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with gun permits to carry them at all times "so as to contribute to their security and that of their surroundings".  Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993:  Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, stated that he intends to demand that the police department make it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills [non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial.  Ha'aretz, 16 March1993:  Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security measures in the Strip.  The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects.
Only Brendan McKay, or maybe ARF, would come to the rescue of Nazi racial theory.  Is it distressing Brendan?  The point is that any eugenic solution to the Jewish Problem as Elias has proposed smacks of pure Nazism.  The fact that Elias' proposal cast the entire "problem" as one of the abnormal presence of Israeli society in the Middle East, and that he buried a slam against U.S. aid to Israel in the midst of his "even-handed" solution of the Jewish Question, made it obvious what  he had in mind: disolving the Jewish polity.  That *is* a Nazi doctrine: rectification of the "abnormal presence" of the Jewish people within a  larger body politic.  Whether your "solution" involves gas, monetary  incentives to the poor Jews to marry out, or as Feisal Husseini has  said, "disolve the Zionist entity by forcing it to engage the normal  surrounding Arab culture," you are engaged in a Nazi project.  Just as obvious is your statement: "I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's proposal."  Still striking the glancing blow, right Brendan?  You could easily see where he was going, but you "will not comment."  So, you are complicitous.  What is your fascination with Nazi racial theory, anyway?  -- Chris Metcalfe ("someone else")  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  In article <1993Apr22.175022.15543@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes:
(Brad Hernlem writes:   >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli  >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory" >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team", >you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak.   >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in  >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the >Lebanese terrorists.  If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. Read again your original article. You find Israeli government responsible for those dead soldiers, that's a reasonable (debatable) point, but feel satisfaction from dead bodies is  NOT REASONABLE  by any standards. No matter how you try to justify it. I may understand your frustration against israeli occupation in S Lebanon. But no matter what you say, I can not understand your satisfaction for dead bodies.  I have a question for you. Let's assume a bosnian village, inhabited by serbs untill a few (10-20) years ago, and later taken over by bosnian muslims (the means are not very peaceful). Now, do you enjoy serbs coming and killing all (armed) bosnian muslims ? I would not enjoy, but I would not enjoy ANY dead bodies -  israelis, lebanese or bosnians.
Ok, someone is fundamentalist, someone else is not. What defines a fundamentalist (Not who!!!!!!!!!). That is an essential question which nobody has agreed upon an answer, at least to what literature / discussion / news i've seen..