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In article <1993Apr4.231353.34562@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:  ><disclaimer: If there is anybody on USENET dumb enough to interpret >this posting as a serious and meaningful one, I want to assure this >entity that it was but a joke>  Still yelling at the telephone and the lawn mower? People will think you're just some looney howling in the wires. Now any comment?    Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).         "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer          No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.         (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,          Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)  'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin, 'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.  "I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and  Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months  have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I  have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at   almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from  Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly  slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to  save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful  events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then  taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people   well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these  places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.  They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the  Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality  problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers  who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and  Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the   Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs.   I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is   destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are   speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as   well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is   proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."                                                       Dr. Stephan Eshnanie  Serdar Argic
pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes:   Peter,  I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by yourself?  -marc
The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust is insulting and completely false.  Any person making such a rude and false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also ignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite.
In article <1993Apr16.141204.21479@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: |>  |>  |> BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters |> stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan |> River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows |> into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken.  The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does not run through the buffer zone.  The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to climatic changes in rainfall.  |> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
In a previous article, josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) wrote: >  >Actually, just after the FIRST world war, many Muslims were killed by Serbs. >Under Serbian-led regime between the two world wars, many Croats were >also killed (especially during the dictatorship introduced on Jan. 6, 1929). > Josip,  please, don't be offended at this question: Who are the "Muslims" in the Bosnian context? i know that a moslem/muslim is a believer in Islam. Islam  is a religion and it is practised in many parts of the world. But it is not , yes definitely not, an ethinic group. ok! so, these Bosnian Muslims, who are they? to which ethnic group do they belong? what language(s) do they speak? do they have a different language from that of the Serbs or Croats?  the way the western press use the word 'muslim' in this Bosnian debacle has  kept me wondering when the meaning of muslim/moslem i knew from childhood was  changed in the dictionary. this is just a question. no flames intended!
In article <1993May13.202224.28950@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) wrote:  [DD] Not taking sides leaves one in a state of perpetual indecision because  [DD] both sides in this issue have their own logic at any given time. As an  [DD] Armenian I am partisan -- by definition. However, this does give me the                                                                  ^                                                                 |                                    obviously a "not" goes here--+ as                                     evidenced by the context.  [DD] license to lie, cover-up, or revise events under question as we have read  [DD] on UseNet in postings by agents of the Turkish government. I understand  [DD] both sides of the issue, but this does not mean I will advocate both sides [DD] when it suits me. Such a position would make me a hypocrite. I am also not [DD] being paid by agents of Turkey nor Azerbaijan as are many proponents of  [DD] the Azeri side. I refer to agents such as Captioline International Group, [DD] Ltd., being paid in excess of $30,000/month by Azerbaijan. I state my case [DD] unencumbered by such advocacy or prostitution.   Thanks to Mr. CG.
In article <C5un2y.7Jn@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: >> >>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> >>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal >> >>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >>---------------------------------------------------------- by >>			  Elias Davidsson >>Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. >> >>1.      A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >>for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >>and the other Palestinian-Arab. >... >>5.      The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the > >    Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.  Someone else said something similar.  I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's "proposal".  I just want to say that it is very distressing that at least two people here are profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine.  They were NOT like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite.    Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation.  An  instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies.  According to  Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race.  They were persecuted, and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were considered not pure Gypsies but "mongrels" formed from the pure Gypsy  race and other undesirable races.  This was the key difference between  the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way.  It is also  true that towards the end of WWII even the "purist" Gypsies were  hunted down as the theory was forgotten.
HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to  see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. You are getting itchy as your fucking country. Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more. Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my people. And try to translate this "ebenin donu butti kafa David.".  BYE, ANACIM HADE. TIMUCIN
Danhy,  As you think Bedouin will be surprised by the posted article, I would be happy to have some feedback from Bedouin readers, if you will. I cannot judge the accuracy of the article, but assumes that it is no fabrication. Any critical review would be helpful.
In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes: >> Problem 1 >>  >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the  >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary  >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.  >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,  >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third  >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were  >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from  >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the   >massacre. >>  > >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 >  I thought the implication was that the prince destroyed one fourth of the remaining Persian troops on the second round, and then 1/11 of those remaining on the third round.  This would mean
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eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:  |Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count |Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of |independence.  He was killed by the Israelis.  Seems he was being too |successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked |territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.  That operation was done by a small Jewish fraction BEFORE the state even existed and, as far as I remember, was disaproved by most of the Jews.  Saying that "He was killed by the Israelis" is plain wrong because there wasn't "Israel" at the time.  And as far as the Jews liked the idea of having part of the land you can see their reaction to the UN resolution from 29 November,  and the Arab's reaction too  (no,  it wasn't that the Arabs danced in the streets with doznes of Jewish states invading them but quite the other way around).  Bye,
In article <schoinas.737420345@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:  >nationality is a recent invention of the western europe. In the >days of the Ottoman empire, the religion was the main point of >difference between social classes. The Ottomans didn't recognize >Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Serbs... Just christians, muslims, jews...  Pardon me? Your ignorance cramps my conversation. Although the administrative  mechanism was a strictly centralized one, the Ottoman Empire 'was a classical  example of a pluralist social order.' The 'millet system' was the mechanism  which shaped the social order of the multi-national Ottoman Empire and stood  behind its continuity. As a matter of fact, because Islamic principles  were in force in the Ottoman Empire, it was natural to use religious  criteria to differentiate among the various communities which constituted  the Empire. The 'millet' system began to be based on ethnicity in the  19th century under the influence of nationalism. Sousa writes of the  existence of thirteen communities in the Ottoman Empire in addition to  the Muslim 'millet' in 1914. These were: (1) Greeks attached to the  Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul; (2) Catholics or Latins who were  remnants of Genoese and Venetian merchants; (3) Gregorian Armenians  attached to a Patriarchate in Istanbul; (4) Catholic Armenians; (5) Syrian  Catholics attached to a Patriarchate in Mardin; (6) Chaldean Catholics  attached to a Patriarchate in Mosul; (7) Syrian Jacobites attached to a  Patriarchate in Mardin; (8) Protestants; (9) Melchites attached to a  Patriarchate in Damascus; (10) Hebrews of two rites; (11) Bulgarian  Catholics attached to the Bulgarian Exarch; (12) Maronites; and (13)  Nestorians.[1] Scholars who studied the pluralistic social structure  outlined briefly above, concluded that the social order of the Ottoman  Empire fit the framework of the 'Mosaics Theory.'[2]   [1] N. Sousa, "The Capitulatory Regime of Turkey, its History, Origin and     Nature," (Baltimore, 1933). [2] C. S. Coon, Caravan: "The Story of the Middle East," (New York, 1951),     p. 162 and H. A. R. Gibb/H. Bowen, "Islamic Society and the West: A     Study of the Impact of Western Civilization on Moslem Culture in the     Near East," (Oxford, 1951).   Serdar Argic
I see that our retarded translator, David, is still writing things that don't make sense. Hey David I can see where you are.. May be one day, We will have the chance to talk deeply about that freedom of speach of yours.. And you now, killing or torture, these things are only easy ways out.. I have different plans for you and all empty headeds like  you...  Lets get serious, DAVE, don't ever write bad things about Turkish people or especially Cyprus.. If I hear a word from you again that I consider to be a curse to my people I will retalliate...  Muccccukkk.. TIMUCIN.
In article <C6x44y.3xD@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sadek) writes: > >I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. > >Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >and calling that "moral rape". >  It is easy for Sen. Biden to say that when there are no US troops in Zepa or Srebinica or Sarejevo...  The existing UN policy may certaining be wrong, but the US wants to dictate policy, and make Europe responsible for the consequences of that policy...  ...Bosnia is a big enough problem for the US to preach about what other countries should be doing with their forces...but its forces are safely tucked away at home in the US.
In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:     Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation    patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and    two wounded. In "retaliation", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded    8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli    government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is     necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!!     Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every    Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral    bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli    government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.     Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)  Very nice. Three people are murdered, and Bradly is overjoyed. When I hear about deaths in the middle east, be it Jewish or Arab deaths, I feel sadness, and only hope that soon this all stops. Apparently, my view point is not acceptable to people like you Bradly.  Hernlem, you disgust me.
cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:                                                             The Israelis    used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.  Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?  --Amos
Providing safety and security for one's own people is the most fundamental responsibility of any political entity. For the Palestinian leadership to refuse to accept this responsibility, i.e. take the responsibility to protect their people from radical Palestinian elements who are opposed to the peace process, is reprehensible. To argue that a Palestinian police force would be established in order to control peaceful political groups only reinforces the reality that the Palestinian leadership, so far, can not exercise control over radical Palestinian elements nor effectively deal with the killing of Palestinians by Palestinians. This is a problem that can only be solved by the Palestinian people.
In article <1se68nINNfo2@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: >In article <2681@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au>, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:  >> There are Arabs in cabinet but look how long it took and to what >> insignificant positions they are assigned! And this is based solely >> on race not political belief or security as Jewish members of the >> same party have always been welcome just not their fellow Arabs.  >First of all, the arab standing in any party, or as any party, is solely >dependent upon the amount of political power they can wield effectively.  It is not a question of an individuals standing. When a party puts up an Arab for a Cabinet post and that Arab is rejected but the position is given to a Jew from the same party we are not talking about power but racism. Would you care to deny this has happened on several occasions with Labour coalitions?  >In the past, they have not been effective at garnering votes and forming >a single bloc in the knesset.  On the few occasions when this was done, >some of the parties took stands that were extremist, and ineffect precluded >themselves from forming a coalition and participating in the cabinet.  Not their party - them as *individuals*. Even when they belong to nice peaceful Zionist mainstream parties they are not welcome. Arabs are excluded on ficitious security grounds which are just an excuse. It sure looks like racism to me.  Arabs are excluded from cabinet, even when they do the things you suggest, because they are Arabs. Unless of course you have a better reason? I am happy to listen to any good reason why a leftist Jew is less of a security risk than a leftist Arab from the same party. Look at the present cabinet.  Joseph Askew
In article <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu>, pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: > In article <19APR93.22304462.0062@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B8HA) writes: > >So nice of you all to answer some questions.  And it so nice that most > >of you feel that it would be in your hearts to give the Palestinians > >some land - most of you focus on the fact that Israel annexed all > >this land and it is a kind gesture to give some of it back.  Well, > >I hope that after after a state run by Palestinians is established, > >the first decision should be to make Jerusalem part of this state - > >by annexing it of course. > > >  > >Steve  Steve,  If the Israelis are stupid enough to "allow" a second "Palestinian" state (the first one is Jordon), then you will probably get your wish - and the Israelis would get what's coming to them.  However, if the "Palestinians" were to somehow demonstrate that  they could govern themselves AND live in peace with their  Jewish neighbors, then they would have to give up the idea of Jerusalem as a part of their state - and you would be disappointed.    >  > Israel has not annexed any of the West Bank, just Jeruselum.  Which > will remain part of Israel forever! >  > Yashir Koach to this.  >  >  >
In article <C51A38.MCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:  > Alah, alah, kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni de la malakismenos kolo-Tourkos ... > Likkleserfelc ekmek salam.  Toukoutakli, ranadas sarma. > Geke re? Ti, eipate yok? Plaka numarani alalim kanw re...   Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla          Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.  pp. 267-268.  "Van'dan sonra ilk isyan Sebinkarahisar'da basladi. 1915 senesi 5   haziran da, Sivasli Murat [Hamparsum Boyaciyan - sa] denilen bir   caninin emri altinda 500 kadar cete Sebinkarahisari basti. Burasi o   zaman en onemli askeri bir yerdi. Erzurum bolgesinde Rus ordusu ile   savasan Osmanli Ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekte idi.   Ermeniler boyle onemli bir yer isgal ettikleri takdirde Turk   ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ve Rus Ordularinin harekati   kolaylasacakti. Sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen atese   verildi. Her rastlanan Turk iskence ile olduruldu.   Mus'da ayni sekilde isyan devam ediyordu. Sason daglari Ermeni   eskiyalariyla dolu idi. Bu isyanlari, ordunun arkasini vurmak ve Rus   Ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin Ermenilerin pasa dedikleri Rupen   idare ediyordu. Bundan baska, Rus Ordularinin Rus - Turk sinirindan   gecerek Turk topraklarina girdikleri bu safhada Rus Ordusu icinde   bulunan Ermeni gonullu alaylariyla Rus Ordularinin isgali altina giren   Ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk, Turk koylerine hucum ederek bu   koyleri yakip yikmislar ve Turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim ve   iskence ile oldurmulerdir.   p. 285.  "Bu suretle sehirde 23 gun cok kanli olaylar cereyan etti, bu sure   sonunda Van, Ermeniler tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu. Buradan   kacabilen Turklerin, Ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri   haberler tuyler urpertici idi. Cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmus,  kadinlarin irzina gecmis, Turk kadin ve kizlarini bazi evlerde   topladiktan sonra buralarini Genelev haline getirmislerdir. O zaman   Van'da 1500 kadar kadin ve cocuktan baska Turk kalmamis, bunlari da   oradaki Amerikalilar korumustur. Sehir bastan basa harab olmus, carsi   kamilen yanmisti."  Serdar Argic
In article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU>, arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)  writes: > Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993.  P. A1. > NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE > SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time > art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District.  In > reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and > amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 > years. > .....  > The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil > rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on > groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's > fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a > reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with > police agencies and journalists.   	There is something almost comical in the fact that Yigal Arens is  important enough to have the ADL and G-d knows who else sifting through his  garbage (which happens to be legal; you throw it out, it ain't yours any more).  	This brings to mind a few possibilities other than the ADL connection:  	- it is all in Arens' mind. 	- Bullock may have been working for Arens' friend in the PLO 	- Arens' father (or is it brother?) Moshe Arens (former Israeli Defense  Minister) was spying on him. 	- Arens hired Bullock to spy on him to get attention.  	In any case, who cares?