In article <1993Apr16.085717@IASTATE.EDU> tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau >Napoleon) writes: >> From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T >Atan): >> > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks >> > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to >> > believe for somebody trying to be objective. >> > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot >> > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. >> > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? >> > Do you think it was your right to be there? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are  improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours. The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted  Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the  German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres.     In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after  the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently, FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the  FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships. Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae. >>  >> There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. >> Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? >>  >> > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only >> > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. >> > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. >> > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the >> > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it >> > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. >> >  >> Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in >> Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial >> waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of  >> Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. >>  >> There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. >>  >>  >> > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated >> > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person >> > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is >> > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals  >> > why the hatred? >>  >> Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or >> indirecly is a "bad" person. >> It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the >> actions of your goverment that make you "bad". >> People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you >> are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and >> as a such you must pay the price. >>  >> > So that makes me think that there is some kind of >> > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person  >> > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your  >> > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish >> > encounters during your schooling.  >> > take it easy!  >> >  >> > -- >> > Tankut Atan >> > tankut@iastate.edu >> >  >> > "Achtung, baby!" >>  >> You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to >> Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under >> Turkish occupation. >> They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. >>  >> You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from >> people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. >>  >> Napoleon > > >Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace  >on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked >at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit >throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, >filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? >Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. >  > >-- >Tankut Atan >tankut@iastate.edu > >"Achtung, baby!"