In article <C5tnGt.224@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)   writes: > In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De   Arras) writes: > >In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)   > >writes: > >> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De   > >Arras) writes: > >> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)   > >> >writes: > >> >> I agree that they deserved a trial.  They had more than 40 days to come  > >> >> out and get their trial.  They chose to keep the children with them and  > >> >> to stay inside.  They chose to stay inside even after they were tear   > >gassed. > >> >> I do not find these actions rational.  Even Noriega was smart enough to  > >> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. > >> >>  > >> > > >> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.   > >>  > >> Unworthy of comment. > > > >But apparently true.  My opinion, only, of course. >  > So, your opinion is truth.  I see...  :-) >   Still mastering the language, eh?  Notice the use of "apparently".  > >> >Humans died   > >> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the  > >> >actions   > >> >they did.  That is the undeniable truth.  I cried for them.   > >>  > >> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. > >> That is undeniable truth.   > > > >No, it is not.  It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the   > >gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside.  I'm not proposing this   as   > >the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that   if   > >they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today. >  > You can believe that if you wish.  It is undeniable, however, that people  > have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff. >  > And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you  > can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the  > FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days. >   I'm not denying that at all.  But every day is another chance for a good   ending, why push it?  Mr. Roby, you are going to die, anyway, why not today?    Every moment of life is precious.  > >> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for  > >> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities  > >> to do so.  My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious   devotion  > >> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up  > >> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. > > > >My heart "bleeds" for no one.  You are the "bleeding heart".  And I'm sure   > >beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do.    You   > >can not say the heartless things you have said if you did. >  > I am the heartless bleeding heart?  You are not making sense.  No, you are the heartless "bleeding heart".  A flaming liberal who "cares   deeply", who "feels your pain".  > You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this  > compound when they had 51 days to let them out.  That sounds pretty heartless  > to me. >   You have continually raised this issue, without any understanding of the bonds   between parent and child.  It is not easy to say a final goodbye to your   children, I do not think I could do it, either.  If that makes me heartless, so   be it.  How many children do you have?  I have three.   > I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't  > stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh.  This makes me  > sad and sick. >   It just makes me sad.  I never claimed Koresh was an angel.  > >> >You seem to say   > >> >they got what they deserved. > >>  > >> I do not think this.  However, if they did set the fire (which started in  > >> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they  > >> wanted and put into motion themselves. > > > >"they got what they wanted".  What kind of creature are you that you can   > >believe this? >  > Have you ever heard of Jonestown? > The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority  > worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell.   If these  > people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot  > more survivors today.  Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as  > last year. >   I made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back.  And once   again, Jonestown, however sick it was, was doing OK, until "the Authorities"   showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge.    A bull in a china shop.  > >> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely  > >> by Arlen Spectre and congress.  This is good.  They have bungled the   affair  > >> from the start. > > > >We agree on this.  Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too. >  > By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too.   > BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God.  :-) >   Nope, the constitution in total is, for me.  If you think the RKBA is all I'm   about, you misjudge me.  > >> >Jim > >> >-- > >> >jmd@handheld.com > >>   >  >  > --  >  Jim  -- jmd@handheld.com