In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca>, music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: |>Xref: taco alt.parents-teens:1937 rec.autos:101669 |>Path: taco!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!music |>From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) |>Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,rec.autos |>Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... |>Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:16 PST |>Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility |>Lines: 52 |>Distribution: world |>Message-ID: <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> |>References: <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> <18APR199309481599@erich.triumf.ca> <1qs4a9$f87@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com> |>NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca |>Summary: Violent Teenagers and victims need help. |>Keywords: brick, rock,  danger, gun, violent, teenagers |>News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41     |> |>In article <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>, jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell) |> writes... |>#>Could we plase cease this discussion.  I fail to see why people feel the need  |>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end.  These areas are not |>#> meant for this type of discussion.  If you feel the need to do such things, |>#> please take your thought elsewhere.  Thanks. |>#  |>#I just want to second this request. I value this net group as one where people |>#focus on solving problems and go out of their way to be respectful of |>#differences. The hostility expressed in the original posting feels like an |>#assault.  |>#  |>#Thanks, |>#Jan  |>#  |> |>   Exactly my point.  There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers. |> |>   Look, I sent these posts here to alt.parents-teens (with a copy to |> rec.autos) since you people in this group may have the best advice for |> and experience with troubled teenagers. |> |>   If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a |> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook |> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little |> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving) |> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it.  This is really upsetting |> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's.   Doesn't your heart |> just go out to that poor mother? |>  Yes, Fred, my heart and prayers go out to the mother and others who have  been victims of these and other senseless crimes.  |>   You folks in this group have a responsibility to offer any good advice |> that you may have.  I suspect lots of people all over the world will read |> and appreciate your comments. |>  However, I feel that you have missed the point of the previous postings (see  top).  Your statement of 'responsibility' is felt as an attack towards the  members of this group.  You are attempting to make the members of this group be REQUIRED to answer.  The only people who should make a statement are people who have experienced the problem and found a workable solution.  |>   Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and |> crime.  Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in |> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are.  At the same |> time, maybe you would have some good advice for those hostile people who |> sense that are now the potential victims.  Maybe you would have some good |> advice for them on how not to pay back and/or not make the situation worse.   |> Maybe you have some good advice for local authorities or schools where |> this problem is prevalent.  But then again, maybe you're not interested. :-(  Many people are interested, but have no input.  I will restate that your last sentence here is seen as an attack on the members of this group.  If people have input, they will give it.  If they do not, YOU should not make them feel  compelled (sp?) to respond.    If you wish to continue this conversation, PLEASE send e-mail.  DO NOT repost or attempt to bait me, I will not make another post (and may I make the same a suggestion to other group members) on this matter.   |> |>   Thanks in advance for your help, if we get any. |>  BTW, your welcome. --