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In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: [stuff deleted]  > Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the > KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan.   Gimme a break.  CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense.  It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities while hoping that Turkey will stay out.  Stop and think for a moment, will you?  Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it is a part of it.    >The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS  >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending  >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION.   Huh?  You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them within their borders?    [...] > At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH  > crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again.  You're not playing with a full deck, are you?  Where would Turkey invade? Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun?  Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes she had, however, is  the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring the parties to the negotiating table.  That's hard to do when Armenians are attacking Azeri  towns.  Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the  futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that  leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's  going to cause incessant skirmishes.  Think of 10 or 20 years down the  line -- both of the newly independent countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe the other out.  These people will be neighbors, would it not be better to keep the bad blood between them minimal?  If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of their blood and future.  It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize  craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled.  The Armenians in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate  as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more.  The sooner there's peace in the region the better it is for them and everyone else.  I'd push for compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading inflammatory half-truths.  cheers,
In article <1993Apr27.024858.13271@cs.ucla.edu> steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) writes: >ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: > >>	Virginia.edu is true to its founding father, Thomas >>Jefferson the author of the bill of rights, in allowing freedom >>of speach. Sorry you guys in israel have a hard time with the >>concept. > >Jefferson was not the author of the Bill of Rights.  My history >books aren't here, but Jefferson might have been in the group >that did not think that enumerating rights was necessary. >Cheers, >Steven Berson           UCLA Computer Science Department   (310) 825-3189  Look out... We have the beginnings of a donnybrook between one of them liberal, artsy-fartsy western schools and an ossified, establishment  eastern university. :-)
In article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes: >In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >> >>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? > >The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking >the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts. >If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit.  There certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of  a global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are,  however, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the  former) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force.  I  would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing  "Islamicization" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same approach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side's power are certainly a threat.  To Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance of those *outside* its own "group". If I am told that "I am not one of you" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat. If I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic world and *actively did not* accept my "minority" status, I *would also  certainly* see Islam's domination as having been acheived, and maintained,  through the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities within their ranks. >> >>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. > >I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions:  I am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian nationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way. > >1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many >of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more >than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? >						*** For the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous for Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT.   >2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of >the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel?  [I refer to the "most" you also refer to]  Because they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that  this area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/ identity/etc.
In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >04/16/93 1045  ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> > |>   |> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |>  |> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> into it	: Armenia is getting itchy.  |>  |> Esin.   Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;
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In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: >>In <C4xKBx.53F@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? >> >>That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. >> >>Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who >>greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily >>rounds? > >I dunno, Warren.  Just the other day I heard a rumor that "Serdar Argic" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion.     DIs it possible to track down "zuma" and determine who/what/where "seradr" is? If not, why not? I assu\me his/her/its identity is not shielded by policies similar to those in place at "anonymous" services.
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What >I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to >ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is >the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe >I realize that incidences such as the one described in the >letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to >ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the >Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think >that might be a reason they report more clearly on the >atrocities. >	What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of >the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing >received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt >go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races >when they got power. It is unfortunate.  Well said Mr. Beyer :)
arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:  >In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >>through private contributions on Federal land".  Your hate-mongering >>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content >>and social value.  Down the toilet it goes..... >>  >And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things >concerning Israel.  >Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to >recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt.  In >otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.  And >finalyy, how does "Federal land" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien >monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money >to a foreign entity?  >That "Federal land" and tax money could have been used to commerate >Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations   AVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR ---------------------------------  "Hebrew labor" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement for a long time.  It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew must learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The land in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same new Jew who has "learned" to work it. Both aspects of the two-pronged concept of "Hebrew labor" have racist connotations. On the one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical labor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites.  On the other hand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the Arab farmer from the source of his livelihood.  The occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from the occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and hot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of "Hebrew labor" to the history books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It has blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to problems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this concept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the closing of the Palestinian population.  Or in the words of Environment Minister Yossi Sarid, "I have no tears for those who get rich off of cheap labor". 2) to furnish an answer to the unemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for wages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives.
In article <C65tso.4zA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >   There is a difference between guerrilla warfare and terrorism. >   The former primarily targets enemy soldiers.  The latter primarily >   targets civilians, and not necessarily enemy civilans, at that.  >... >   By comparison, Palestinean "fighters" primarily target tourists, >   schoolchildren, babies, worshippers, shoppers, movie-goers and other >   such threatening people.  Early Zionist fighters did no such things.  This is historically incorrect.  Early Zionist 'fighters' did indeed target civilians.  They made random attacks in Arab marketplaces, killing innocent passers-by.  Your assertion of the opposite is an attempt to whitewash history.  Anyone can read about the history of the Zionist terrorists.  A good book to start is the one by J. Bowyer Bell, an expert in international terrorism.  (His main interest is Irish terrorism.)          AUTHOR: Bell, J. Bowyer, 1931-          TITLE: Terror out of Zion : Irgun Zvai Leumi, LEHI, and the Palestine                   underground, 1929-1949 / J. Bowyer Bell.      PUB. INFO: New York : St. Martin's Press, c1977.    DESCRIPTION: xi, 374 p., [14] leaves of plates : ill., maps ; 24 cm.       SUBJECTS: *S1 Lohame herut Yisrael.                 *S2 Irgun tsevai leumi.                 *S3 Israel-Arab War, 1948-1949.                 *S4 Jewish-Arab relations--1917-1949.      LC CALLNO: DS119.7.B382 1977  For completeness, Arab thuggery of the same period was also rampant, and targeted chiefly Jewish civilians.  Can anyone tell me what the opposite of live and let live is?
koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes:  >> Problem 1 >>  >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the  >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.  >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,  >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third  >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were  >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the   > massacre. >>   >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760  >Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all, >           they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.     Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to lose count around 1.5 million.
In article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Adam Shostack writes:  >> Sam Zbib writes >   >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by >   >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive >   >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. > >>	It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an >> exclusive state.  If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have >> 400 000 arab citizens. > >Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of  >Israel right after it was formed.  > > >> 	And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile >> action.  When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing >> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce.  It >> is not a hostile action leading to war. > >No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. >Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about >anti-trust in the business world. > >Since we are debating the legality of a commercial >transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines >and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says >that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of >investing, you can not acquire a large number of those >shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so >only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, >the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some >designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. > >The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the >old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / >multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours >was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair >market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of >an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist >myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). >  Right now, I'm just going to address this point. When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of it.   It's called commerce.  The owners, however, made no  provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting  them by selling the land right out from under them. They are to blame, not the Jews.  > >> Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu > >--  >Sam Zbib                                         Bell-Northern Research >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca                    VOICE:  (613) 763-5889 >                                                FAX:    (613) 763-2626 >Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >       My opinions are my own and no one else's
In article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:  >	I think "house Jews," a reference to a person of Jewish >ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that >condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint.  I believe that CPR is himself such a "house Jew".
Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight  (Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel. He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus.
Mack posted:  "I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)?"  This is not small. A 2.7 per cent annual population growth rate implies a doubling in 69/2.7 \approx 25 years. Can you imagine that? Most people seem not able to, and that is why so many deny that this problem exists, for me most especially in the industrialised countries (low growth rates, but large environmental impact). Iran's high growth rate threatens things like accelerated desertification due to intensive agriculture, deforestation, and water table drop. Similar to what is going on in California (this year's rain won't save you in Stanford!). This is probably more to blame than  the current government's incompetence for dropping living standards in Iran.
In article <94492@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a  KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote:  [KT] HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to  [KT] see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you.  So ... close your eyes and walk away.  [KT] You are getting itchy as your fucking country.  I have been defending the history of the Armenians on this network for over six years. I have seen the likes of you enter his forum, make fools of themselves, and "simply vanish" as did the Armenians in 1915!    [KT] Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more.  Realize sir, you are not in Turkey! In the USA freedom of speech is not considered "bullshit". It is because of such freedoms that Turks like yourself are allowed to attend Georgia Tech.  [KT] Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my  [KT] people. And try to translate this "ebenin donu butti kafa David.".  What's the problem? If you can't stand the heat -- leave! Your government murdered 1.5 million Armenians and you would have me stay quiet to suit your personal fancy or some fascist fetish regarding the greatness of Turkey! Well,  that is simply too bad.   [KT] BYE, ANACIM HADE. [KT] TIMUCIN  Pis bogaz!
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it >is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has >to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated >before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I >totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the >existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights. >				Just wondering  Seems that you're more "just misinformed" than "just wondering."  The comparison you're making is not just totally off base, but offensive to all sane people.
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >	I have just started reading the articles in this news >group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet >other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said >that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his >server who keeps a file on him in hope that "Appropriate action >might be taken".  >	I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from.  Freedom of speech does not mean that others are compelled to give one the means to speak publicly.  Some systems have regulations prohibiting the dissemination of racist and bigoted messages from accounts they issue.  Apparently, that's not the case with virginia.edu, since you are still posting.
In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes: > In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought > Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong.  They were correct > the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily > (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article > saying so.  If you want a copy, send me mail. >  > Steve >  Was the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority of people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really know what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think they know about the political situation in the middle east.   So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?
Hossien Amehdi writes:  >I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not >be necessary.  Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across >as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs.    >The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace >after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:.  > 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently  >   most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or >    dictators.  > 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.    It's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable thought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2 remarks:    - you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level.  - It's not only 'arab' governments.  Now, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen  to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch  the channel ?  I would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a  bomb ready to blow under my seat in B747.
From _Myths and Facts_, by Leonard J. Davis, Near East Research Inc., 1989:  [pp. 108-109]      "Unlike the PLO's almost exclusive focus on civilian targets, the 100 troups from the Irgun and Stern group that struck at Deir Yassin on April 10, 1948, targeted the village for its military importance. Deir Yassin was on the road to Jerusalem, which the Arabs had blockaded, and it housed Iraqi troups and Palestinian irregulars. Snipers based in Deir Yassin were a constant threat to Jewish citizens in Jerusalem.      "Arab civilians were killed at Deir Yassin, but that attack does not conform to the propaganda picture that the Arabs have tried to paint. The number of Arabs killed was generally reported to be about 250. In 1983, however, Eric Silver of _The Guardian_ (Britain) interviewed a survivor, Mophammed Sammour, who testified that 116 out of a population of 800-1000 were killed. 'About three days after the massacre,' Sammour explained, 'representatives of each of the five clans in Deir Yassin met at the Moslem offices in Jerusalem and made a list of the people who had not been found (alive). We went through the names.  Nothing has happend since 1948 to make me think this figure was wrong.'