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In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: |> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: |>  |>    Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? |>    ------------------------------------ |>  |>    While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they |>    repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and |>    attempt to starve the Gazans. |>  |>    [...] |>  |> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and |> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas |> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all |> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal. |>  |> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. |> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. |>  |> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I |> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. |>  |> Harry.  O.K., its my turn:         DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!  I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their plan !  (Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity since it was coined by Bnai Brith)  What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media, is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.  However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.  As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind.  Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the Jews used to establish their state : Religion.
In <C5I7J7.F7A@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:  >stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: >> Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish/israeli) postings (with which I  >> certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do. >>  >> The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese  >> farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not- >> only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious. >>  >> I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right? >>  >> What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ? >>  >> You liked it, didn't you ? >>  >>  >> You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent. >>  >> Dorin  >Dorin, >Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The >distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people >whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these >soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And >resistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich >were victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters).  And some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name.  >Their deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by >resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the >Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the >hostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the  Just a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall that there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth soldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking a vacation trip?  >Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the >only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving >out the US)  Sure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they can go back to killing each other off.   >-marc  REB
In article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: |> In article <1993Apr13.172422.2407@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) writes: |>  |> >According to Exodus, there were 600,000 Jews that marched out of Egypt. |>  |> This is only the number of adult males.  The total number of Jewish |> slaves leaving Egypt was much larger. |>  |> >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been |> >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the |> >Jewish tribes on the way.. |> > |> >NABIL |>  |> Typical Arabic thinking.  If we are guilty of something, so is |> everyone else.  Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not |> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so |> common among Arabs in the Middle East.  There were no " killings |> between the Jewish tribes on the way."  I don't like this comment about "Typical" thinking. You could state your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see  a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can  unify as well.   |> Jake |> --  |> Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will |> American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the |> My opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.
Copyright 1993 Agence France Presse                           Agence France Presse  HEADLINE: Egyptian arrested after mock threat to blow up  Iran's Paris mission  DATELINE: PARIS  BODY:       PARIS, April 16 (AFP) - An Egyptian man held police at bay for several hours outside the Iranian Embassy here, threatening to blow up the building to protest against terrorism and fundamentalism.        The man in his thirties, who was identified only as "an Egyptian national ," displayed a banner outside the embassy gate and said he was in possession of several sticks of dynamite he threatened to set off.
In article <1993Apr27.005225.8231@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: >	Virginia.edu is true to its founding father, Thomas >Jefferson the author of the bill of rights, in allowing freedom >of speach.  	Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave because the university is making rules about sex.    	Doesn't UVA also have a hate crimes rule on the books?  Adam  Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:  # Well said Mr. Beyer :)  He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, in which he decribes Jews as "sons of pigs and monkeys", keeps promising the "final battle" between Muslims and Jews (in which the stons and the trees will "cry for the Muslims to come and kill the Jews hiding behind them"), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved.
In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: > >   THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE > >                         by Theodore J. O'Keefe > >HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson >Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, >has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of >America, a costly and dangerous mistake.  On ground where no monument yet >marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all >races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a >massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false >version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American >members of a minority, sectarian group.  Now, in the deceptive guise of >tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda >campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, >in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America.  After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash.  The NY Times reported on April 18, 1993 that the museum "was built through private contributions on Federal land".  Your hate-mongering article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content and social value.  Down the toilet it goes.....
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >	I think some of you guys think that the volume of your >responses and their harshness somehow increases their factual >accuracy. I especially deplore the attempts to call me a racist >(as many of you have done). You guys think just because  >there are more unreasonable Israelis on this PCNEWS channel >than all other denominations combined (Including reasonable  >Israelis) that somehow makes you right. Well you're wrong. >	I just started reading this stuff last sunday and >thought I might butt in since there were severe information >problem on the part of some people. I thought that through >somewhat intelligent conversation we might enlighten each >other.  That would be nice, but considering professional diplomats between Israel and Athe Arabs have been unable to do so for 45 years, I can't see us starting. But hey - as soon as anyone wants to discuss things reasonably and in a  scholarly manner, count me in.  Anyway the responses were mostly negative and I've been >called a racist and an anti-semite so many times that it seems >assumed about me in people's postings. When I shared this with >some of my friends it appears that they have had similar >experiences. The overall harsh language coupled with the >occasional death threats and attempts to get them disconnected >have convinced many to look elsewhere for true discussions and >unsubscribe to the newsgroup.   People have very strong opinions and you need to be careful regarding what  you say - if you say, make it factual and be able to back it up.  >	I don't know if you're paid Israeli lobbyists or just  >concerned, but it seems that toning down the harsh rhetoric >might be more helpful to your cause than name-calling , >attempting to disconnect and death threats. Just a tip about >how things work in the civilized world.  Thanks for teaching us about the civilized world, Andi.  I guess we all just  came out either the desert or the ghetto, right?  And no, we are not paid Israeli lobbyists nor are we conspirators of the ZOG - we are just people who believe in our cause and find offense when people imply some sort dirty dealing or disloyalty due to our love of Israel (disguised as "paid Israeli lobbyists" - what kind of image is that?)   >P.S. I understand that not all of you are involved in all this >but many of you are contributing to the atmosphere. >P.P.S. Just to clear up something, I don't think than the Jews >are necessarily any worse than other people as a whole if such a >distinction between cultures shall be made(I don't personally >believe in judging people by their religion, culture or race.)  Oh!  Thank you!  I needed your approval of my heritage.  I guess I can go home and feel good now and sleep comfartably knowing that Jews _really_ aren't worse people than anyone else, contrary to what we all _know_ is true.
Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:  [anti-Israel rantings deleted]  As my father says in Russian, "pol yevreya, poltara anitsemita" or roughly translated "half a Jew is an anti-semite and a half."  Now, Mr. Davidsson,  I know what he means.
In article <3044@cronos.metaphor.com> covdy@shemesh.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) wrote in response to article <30975@galaxy.ucr.edu>, raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu  (Raffi R Kojian) says:  [IC] There are some Armenians here, in the USA. [IC] In fact, there are some areas where Armenians are majority. [IC] Suppose, a large group of people of one of such area decides, [IC] that the US "government is not representing their interests, and vote for [IC] seperation" from the USA.  The Armenians you refer to have chosen to come to the United States lawfully  and peacefully. However, if Armenians invade the United States and force Americans to either flee or become Armenians, it will not succeed. Similarly, the Armenians of Karabakh are being forced by Azerbaijan to either become  Azeris or leave, and it also will not succeed, as has been demonstrated.   Karabakh, irrespective of its geographic position situated technically within the Stalin-prepared borders of Azerbaijan, has been long oppressed and  eventually was invaded in 1991 by Azeri OMON and Soviet forces, resulting in  the northern third of this Armenian area being depopulated of Armenians. The  Armenians have been fighting back ever since.   Clearly, you feel it rather ridiculous for Armenians, of let's say Glendale,  California, to engage in an independence movement for a free and independent Glendale. Similarly, the Azerbaijanis are engaging in a losing attempt at claiming sovereignty over the land and people of Karabakh, who have lived continuously in Karabakh a thousand years before the first Central Asian  invaders ever stepped foot in the Caucasus.   [IC] Should they get it?  [IC] And should the UN enforce their will? [IC] And is it a simple, beautiful concept, indeed?  Your analogy has broken down because you have switched positions of the victim and invader. A better analogy would be the direct parallel between Armenians  of Karabakh and Native Americans. Now, if you wish, we can discuss the tenets  of might versus right and the policies of settler nations!
In article <735426299@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:  >	   I can see how little taste you actually have in the >	   cheap shot you took at me when I did nothing more >	   than translate Kozovski's insulting reference >	   to Milan Pavlovic.  C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April  1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A  number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku. Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the creation of an Armenian SS formation in order   "to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the   spirit of the Nazi ideas."  He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]  [1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106. [2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900     Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg     Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.   The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any  official position. His views were represented by his men in the respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942. Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1]   A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not 'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy. As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August  1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.  [1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.  Need I go on?  Serdar Argic
In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: >My response to the "shooting down" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian >air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your  >Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the >KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS  >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending  >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT  >people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft.  > >At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH  >crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. >  Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan.  It is Armenian soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. You might wish to read more about whether or not it is Azeri aggression only in that region.  It seems to me that the Armenians are better organized, have more success militarily and shell Azeri towns repeatedly.    I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion.  Turkey had the right to intervene, and it did.  Perhaps the intervention was not supposed to last for so long, but the constant refusal of the Greek governments both on the island and in Greece to deal with reality is also to be blamed for the ongoing standoff in the region.    Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia?  I vote yes for it. After all, it is now free.
In article <1483500351@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:  >PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with >the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that >justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967 >are not permitted to return to their homeland.   How about Jews who were expelled from their homelands in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, etc.?  Don't they deserve justice, too?  >This can at best be called >pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can >never be called justice.   Why is your criticism ALWAYS directed against Israel, but never against the Arab states, even when they are so much more guilty of the accusations you make?  Is it because you now call yourself a Palestinean?   >And peace without justice will never be peace.  This is why the "land-for-peace" formula is so foolish.  Land-for-land or peace-for-peace seems much more just, except that it would cost the Arabs something and so is not under consideration.    Let's not forget that about half of Israel's population are refugees from Arab countries.  Somehow, THEIR land now being occupied by Arab states and THEIR homes now being lived-in by Arab people are not included in any negotiations.  Is this your prescription for peace?   >It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the >law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not >normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than >Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to >marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands.   Again, you've somehow managed to overlook the fact that the Arab states are much more restrictive on these points.  In fact, the officially Judenrein policies of almost all of the Arab states makes them resemble Nazi Germany chillingly closely.  >American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed >Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW.  There are many states in which Christians can live happily, many which have official religions and Christian majorities and Christian-based laws.  There are some 2 dozen Arab and Islamic states.  There is only 1 (one) Jewish state.  Do you have a problem with this?  Is this one Jewish state too many?  There are others who might agree with you, you know.   >I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views >and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile >outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect >Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism.  Have you just arrived on tpm recently???  Again, the supporters of the Arab and Islamic camps are frequently and massively guilty of "emotional, infantile outbursts" which have weakened their positions dramatically.  Somehow, your criticisms are very one-sided and simple-minded.   P.S. How's the Fund coming along?
The following announcement is from the Bosnia Task Force, USA.             Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens of London) and Muhammad Ali            (former heavyweight champion) will be the grand marshals of                   the Washington rally on Saturday, May 15, 93                    -------------------------------------------                   Twenty to Twenty Five thousands are expected to march                     demanding an end to genocide in BOSNIA                                Rally will begin 1pm from Lafayette Park in front of White House           ----------------------------------------------------------------  In the largest planned rally ever by Muslims in America, the Bosnia Task Force, USA has called upon all Muslims in the USA to hold rallies through out the USA. Muslims in 400 miles radius are, however, requested to come to Washington D.C. for a rally in front of the White House.  The rally will start sharp at 1pm on May 15, 93 in front of the White House and will March to Capitol Hill. All are requested to be in Lafayette park by noon.  It is going to be a big rally. More than 20,000 persons are expected to participate. New York is targeting 50 buses. People as far as Texas and Arizona are coming. Never in Washington's history have so Many Muslims have marched before. Are you ready for this historical event? Call every one you know to bring them to rally.  Our Demands: ------------  1) Recognize the genocidal nature of the Milosevic regime and its aggression. 2) Lift the arms embargo from the Bosnian government. 3) provide the Bosnian government with arms for self-defence. 4) Use NATO air power to enforce the will and conscience of the World community on Serbia. 5)Begin the War Crime tribunals immediately.  IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!    Members of the Bosnia Task Force, USA: ISNA, ICNA, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, The National Community, Bosnia Action Committee of Chicago, Majlis Shura New York, American Muslim Council, Michigan Islamic Council, Balkan Muslim Association. Phone: (312) 829-0087                       Fax: (312) 829-0089 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
In article <10thpbd$5sn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: > >   I  must  finally  admit the total truth that is central to the >core of my being. > >your erection insinuating itself into my kosher rectum always will. > >                                =Mark=  What say you and Nick go somewhere else with this shool yard crap.