In article <lt88p0INN2ql@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:  >1.  So, did the Turks kill the Armenians?  So, did the Jews kill the Germans?  You even make Armenians laugh.  "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the  systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of   the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at   least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The   memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and   eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in  1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."      (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990)  >2.  Or was it the Armenians who massacred the Turks?  Yes. To be exact, Armenians slaughtered 2.5 million Muslim people between  1914 and 1920.   Source #1: McCarthy, J., "Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman             Anatolia and the End of the Empire," New York University Press,             New York, 1983, pp. 133-144.  Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., "Armenia on the Road to Independence,            1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles),            1967, p. 13.  Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.  "The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the  area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population  of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were  Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.  Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third  of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the   Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan  uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians  as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,  however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the  guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000  inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character   notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian   Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the   southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."   (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of   Transcaucasia).  In 1920, '0' percent Turk.   "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as   ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work   of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.   Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts   into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable   and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets   completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They   found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border   into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole   length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to   Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain   plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of   Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for   howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the   scattered bones of the dead."                                Ohanus Appressian                             "Men Are Like That"                                    p. 202.    SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN  HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS  1. "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement" by Louise Nalbandian,    University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975  2. "Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902" by William I. Lenger, Professor    of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951  3. "Turkey in Europe" by Sir Charles Elliot,     Edward & Arnold, London, 1900  4. "The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies" by    Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972  5. "The Rising Crescent" by Ernest Jackh,    Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944  6. "Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam" by Felix Valyi,    Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925  7. "The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia" by E. Alexander Powell,    The Century Co., New York, London, 1924  8. "Struggle for Transcaucasia" by Feruz Kazemzadeh,    Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951  9. "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey" (2 volumes) by    Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York,    Melbourne, 1977  10."The Western Question in Greece and Turkey" by Arnold J. Toynbee,    Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922  11."The Caliph's Last Heritage" by Sir Mark Sykes,    Macmillan & Co., London, 1915  12."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill,    Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928  13."Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22" by A. Rawlinson,    Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925  14."World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn,    Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952  15."From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne" by Avetis Aharonian,    The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17     (Spring 1964)  16."Armenia on the Road to Independence" by Richard G. Hovanessian,    University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967  17."The Rebirth of Turkey" by Clair Price,    Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923  18."Caucasian Battlefields" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff,    Cambridge, 1953  19."Partition of Turkey" by Harry N. Howard,    H. Fertig, New York, 1966     20."The King-Crane Commission" by Harry N. Howard,    Beirut, 1963  21."United States Policy and Partition of Turkey" by Laurence Evans,    John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965  22."British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence" by Gothard     Jaeschke       1. 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