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In article <1r7693$64f@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:  [stuff deleted]  >3) The "teflon bullet" bill proposed by NRA included MUCH more than                                          ^^^ 				I think you mean HCI here.  >   "teflon bullets" -- it would have banned damn near ALL COMMON HUNTING >   AMMUNITION. >  >4) We finally did get a bill that outlawed the sale of "teflon bullets" -- >   and ONLY "teflon bullets" -- outside the law enforcement community. >   Guess who wrote it, Joe m'boy?  It was your beloved NRA. >  [snip]  >Followups to t.p.g. >--  > >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... >  				Joe
I just heard on CNN that the Texas Rangers found an M60 machine gun in the BD compound Rubble.  The newscaster called this a new hi-tech military weapon!  HA HA!!  I would bet that it is that Rock Armory M60 semi-auto, or that it was leagally owned and the tax was paid.  What year was the M60 patented?
In a previous article, rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) says:  > >|>>This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >|>>fires being set "six hours after the tear gas was injected."  Suppose you > >|How would the Fed snipers have been able to witness the BDs setting the >|fire (as is claimed) through all that tear gas? > >I actually heard one report which claimed that infrared cameras saw >the Branch Dividians setting the fires... now, you'll have to excuse  Yeah sure.  Maybe thermal GUNSIGHTS on the armored vehicles.  When discussing military hardware and weapons, the media generally looks like a ufology convention.  >my scepticism, but I find it quite strange that ANYONE would be operating >a thermal viewer during a daytime battle. It would be unusual in the >sense that the Federales combat operation - gassing the BD with "CS2," >whatever that is (Is this the infamous "BZ" hallucination gas?), from  CS is merely the garden variety military teargas.  As far as it being "humane and harmless", I've seen teenage boys knock 200lb. drill sergeants flat getting away from it....  >I am pretty sure that newly-born religious groups will study these >FBI tactics and build anti-armor barricades and tank traps to make >"Next Time!" a lot bloodier for the Federales... > What do you expect when idiots and criminals confirm paranoids in their paranoia...?
fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >msn@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Mike 'HK G3ZF Full-Auto' Newsome) writes: >>> I'm sick to my stomach as I write this.  The BD compound >>> is on fire, and will burn to the ground in minutes. >I used exactly this one-word reply, to suggest a likely ending to >the siege several weeks ago. But like Masada, this wasn't entirely >a government action: The defenders held out as long as they could, >and then killed themselves, their families and their children  >rather than surrender. Israel calls the action of the Zelots >"heroic", and trains their army to follow this example. Now that  >someone has repeated this action in modern times, what do we call it?  Liberals and supporters of Clinton say that costs made the action  necessary.  --   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski			|     phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center     	|     Cleveland, Ohio  44135         	|     email: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov
I called the Texas bill tracking people (800/253-9693) again today  regarding HB 1776 -- Concealed Carry.  Well, it was supposed to come up for a vote this past Wednesday, but the bill got sent back to the Public Safety Committee.  The PSC gave it a favorable rating AGAIN, and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by the Calendars Committee AGAIN.              Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu                + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
I have a few questions I'd like to ask; First,How would someone(me)be able to get a dealers license     and second,besides dear old departed gramp's,where would I find a good place to learn gunsmithing. 		all replies appreciated! 			John
In article <1qc5sa$obl@pandora.sdsu.edu>, chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes: }     A note on the lighter side, I've noticed most gun-banners (some of my }   friends included) are the one who make comments that indicate they are  }   more likely to resort to violent.  So are they really banning guns so they  }   wouldn't end up shooting someone else?  Could be.  It is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence, they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise.
In article <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) says: >>>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >>>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >>>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >>>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >>>as the timer on a VCR. >> >>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to.  The only thing >>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it.  Sure there is >>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Ahem!!!  Hrumph!!!!  You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners.  We will >beat >you with our hammers.  Oooops, don't have any  :-) > >Seriously.  There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA >revolver.  Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver. >Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that >autoloaders give you, that is. > >Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment.  If you just learn how >to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you). >-- >Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the >TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated. >(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     | >(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood.  We need >pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |solutions, not gestures. >PADI DM-54909                     | >  All very true.  I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends. Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has.  I was looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the safties on the guns were very different.  The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot more "safe"  (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock.  Of course this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody.  You would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off.  Personally I like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool (guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as my first semi-auto because of the safety.  I would prefer more training with a "traditional" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion.
In article <16BAECE99.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: }In article <C5D4Hv.8Dp@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> }papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: } }>In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHPLEIGH) writes: }>> }>2.If Guns were banned, and a bunch showed up in south florida, it }>would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the }>huge wave of the American gun-craze. }                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ } }       Do they teach courses in rude in Canada?  They don't have too.  Canadian culture is handed down largely from the United Empire Loyalists who fled from the American Revolution.  Canuckleheads tend to have a "cratophilic," or government-loving attitude towards authority.  Paul Prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that all my Canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens.  His sort of snobbish Canuck have an irrational horror of American democratic "armed mobs."  Tim Starr - Renaissance Now!  Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, The International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com
cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: : :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day :> in Texas.  : :Do YOU eat all your food cold?  Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.  Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.  Mike Ruff
In article <C5soMx.HMD@boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes: >If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors,  >you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above  Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just buy your $1000 worth of stock today.  It's being traded everyday.  After you own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later.  It's probably even a good investment.
A friend recorded CNN news during the gassing and incineration of the BD's.  I went through it carefully today, and found something very interesting.  A tank is pulling out of the house, and there is a fireball, maybe 24" across that lasts for about 1 second. Exactly ten minutes and thirty nine seconds later, the smoke starts billowing out of that area of the building. Now, I'm no govt. spokestwinkie, so it might really have been a weather balloon or something.  Perhaps someone would check it out and comment.
In article <121415@netnews.upenn.edu> egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes: :In article <1993Apr16.222604.18331@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: :|> In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes: :|> >wrong about the  whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the :|>  :|> Why?  If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all. :|>  : :Aha.  That's the part that makes me nervous too.  Who gets to decide if :I am a threat?  Based on appearance?  Would someone feel more threatened : Actions determine whether someone presents a threat... and I don't carry a gun so much for people, cause I tend to fade if there are any about, but due to  several encounters with formerly domestic dogs...  these critters ain't scared of folks, and can get aggressive.  :on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun.  Softly I backed :away, and hiked another 5 miles to get *out of there*.  I'll freely admit it here: :I'm not afraid of guns; I'm afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry. : I'd count that as a fear of guns... somebody having the sense to keep their weapons maintained isn't as likely to present a threat.  The Army taught me to clean any weapons DAILY, since they usually need it, regardless of whether  they've been used... You'd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get, or how much trail dust will get in it.  And I guess you'd be scared of me and my former Explorer Post... seems the advisors were National Guard Special Forces grunts, and considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon... course,  usually you wouldn't notice 'em... :)  They tended to avoid public scrutiny...  :Of course, that may be the way to solve the solitude problem.  Just carry a gun :and display it prominently, and one probably won't see most of the other hikers :out there, who will be hiding in the woods.  1/2 :-) : : - Dania My 9mm goes in a hip holster, mixed in with magazine pouches (hold lotsa stuff  in them), canteens, knives, compasses, and such...  Not so easy to notice, in  the off chance I decide to be visible... I prefer not to be, since walking  quietly away from active areas increases the number of non-human type critters I see...  James
Article in this morning's Houston Post...."negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture"...speaking about the Ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards.  I know it's not the same "group" but the mindset appears to be common to "those what rule" here lately....they won't give diddley to the BD's in Waco but they treat criminals as deserving of "humanitarian gestures".  This is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in today's society than their victims or other law abiding citizens. What is it that makes the criminal so precious to the "leaders of the system"?  Could it be that the criminal is one of the "tools" the "authorities" are using to "excuse" some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control....don't solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldn't be held hostage to "our help".  If the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen/victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as RICO and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought. ---  . OLX 2.2 . If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.
steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) writes:   >> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves?  Very popular. >> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.  >oh, i see. electricity is a natural right & our wonderful government >would -never- cut off the power to the people they were besieging. >are you really this dumb, or just acting like it for the sake of >argument?  >jason  No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the buildings down very credible,either.  It's not like this whole discussion is relevant.  It started when some- one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings.  I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it.  But wild ac- cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair.
After seeing William Sessions on television, explaining the great lengths to which the FBI went to determine the suicidal tendancies of David Koresh,  I got the very unpleasent feeling that Koresh had manipulated the FBI's  perceptions much the way he manipulated his own followers.  Maybe I was manipulated by the news story.
In article <C4tr3M.Eqw@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more >culturally similar, namely the Canadians...  I don't think such a Canada is any more "culturally similar" to the United States than England. In terms of laws regarding individual rights, restrictions on police searches, etc... (all closely related to crime) Canadian laws parallel England's and differ greatly from those of the United States.    >...In fact, an exhaustive, >seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates >of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities >with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography >and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control.  Actually, they do not have "roughly the same... urban economy",  and extremely different ethnic composition.  >Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle >(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000). >After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations, >the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as >compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63.  However, if you account for economic and ethnic differences, the difference disappears completely: Seattle's minorities are predominatly poor, while Vancouver's are middle or upper class. The rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle, while the rate for poor, Seattle minorities was almost three times as great as for the well-to-do minorities of Vancouver. The pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations, not one of gun control.  >The authors of the report also investigated "legally justifiable" >homicides (self-defense).  Only 32 such homicides occurred during >the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police.  Only >21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred...  That is a gross distortion: "Self-defense" does not mean killing the attacker. There were 21 cases of civilians killing their  attacker in self-defence. But such cases represent less that 0.5% of the crimes prevented by armed self-defence; for every case you cite, there were over 200 other cases of self-defence where the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed. (0.5%, by the way, is the most conservative possible figure, based on the National Crime Survey's estimate of 80,000 crimes prevented by armed self-defence each year. Most other  studies on the subject put the figure at 500,000 to 600,000. Those figures would imply less than 0.08% of sucessful self-defences involve killing the attacker.)   So, more correctly, there over 4000 (possibly as many as 25,000)  cases of civilians acting in self-defence, only 21 of which resulted in the death of the attacker. This is a significant factor, in comparison to the 592 homicides. If memory serves, homicides make up approximately 1% of the violent crimes the study considered, so the fair comparison would be 40 - 250 homicides prevented and 592 homicides. Clearly, the study can not be close to accurate, since it ignored these cases of self-defence.
In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: >> >>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. >>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day   >>> in Texas.  >> >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves?  Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.   Not when the power has been cut off for weeks on end.  Any generators are no doubt out of fuel, too.  So all they would have is wood stoves and kerosene lanters (maybe).  It is alleged that the tanks pushing in the walls knocked over the lanters, starting the fire.  Remember, the FBI had bugs which they even used (illegally) to eavesdrop on private conversations with the lawyers.  If a suicide order were given they WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT IN TIME.  If the Feds had been concerned they would have had emergency equipment ready.  Not an hour or so later, not leaving the water THEY TURNED OFF, off.  They could have turned it back on.  They just didn't wanna.  Scores to settle...
In article <C5L2BC.C2x.1@cs.cmu.edu>, rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes... >In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy.  So Gritz gave up his >>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >>Duke.  >I'd hardly call that "giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US"; >the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil.  Still, >it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke.  >  Robert  Exactly, after all he was in the same party, probably just didn't want the bad press that being directly associated with Duke would bring.  Conversely, is his disdain for David Duke supposed to make us ideolize him?  I mean a stand against neo-nazism ... Whoa!  Now that's progressive!  Come on.  I certainly know that I would refuse and openly denounce my Vice Presidency if it meant putting him in control.  								--Stephen White
In article <8110360@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> cunniff@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ross Cunniff) writes: >diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich) writes: >>B. arely >>A. dequate, >>T. otally >>F. ***ed! > >The one I made up last night was: > >	Bureau of >	Assault, >	Theft, and >	Frame-ups > Try this one, a favorite around here:  Bureau of Assholes, Tightwads, and Facists.  And remember, they were created by the Infernal Revenue Code.  			--msa
In article <3876@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin) writes: > If even half the speculations of conspiracy made about this are > true, then I would expect that you people should be calling for > the ATF, FBI, Texas Rangers, Congress and all branches of the > US government to be immediately and completey disbanded  --  no > exceptions.   Well, we're not.  Which goes to prove you still don't understand what we're saying here.  > Jeez, do you people really beleive all this crap? Do you also beleive > in the Zionist Occupation Government and the tooth fairy?  I've lived through the bombing of Cambodia; My Lai; inflated body counts in VietNam; the funding of Noreiga; Watergate; Contragate; Chappaquiddick; Kent State; domestic spying by the CIA; Edwin Meese's Pornography  Commission; the War on Drugs; civil seizure; the MOVE disaster; the LA  disaster; and now Waco.  Do you really believe that government always does what is right?  > Admittedly mistakes were made but why attribute them to malice rather > than stupidity?  Watch the news for the next couple of months.  Watch how this whole government-initiated debacle turns into shouting for "more gun control." It's already started. --
In article <C4tM1H.ECF@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL >: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. >: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the >: rate would be 10/100,000.  A place that had 50 deaths and a population >: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000.  The former has a higher >: rate, the latter a higher total.  You are less likely to die in the >: latter.  Simple enuff?  >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier:  >			handgun homicides/population >			---------------------------- >	Switzerland :	24 /  6,350,000 >	         UK :    8 / 55,670,000  >... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice.  Because there are about 40 homicides total (i.e. using guns, knives, tire-irons, baseball bats, bare hands, etc...) in Switzerland each year and 850 homicides, total, in England. That's three times worse per capita in England than in Switzerland. Since dead is dead, it really doesn't matter that 60% of the Switz murders involved a gun or that only 0.9% of the English murderers do.
slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: > >	I just want to point out that while I am fully in support of privacy, >it will be possible soon to have a completely secure ID card, useable in bank >transactions, medical, etc etc.       There is no such thing as "completely secure," especially when dealing with High Technology. It's all a question of cost: what cost are you willing to bear to protect your information vs. what rewards the "bad guys" are going to get if they break it. The rewards of breaking such a single ID system would be high indeed.