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In article <1993Apr17.172014.663@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:  >>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must  >>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of   >No!  NO!  no no no no no.  It is not justifiable to right wrongs of >previous years.  My ancestors tortured, enslaved, and killed blacks.  I >do not want to take responsibility for them.  I may not have any direct >relatives who did such things, but how am I to know? >There is enough CURRENT torture, enslavement and genocide to go around. >Lets correct that.  Lets forget and forgive, each and every one of us has >a historical reason to kill, torture or take back things from those around >us.  Pray let us not be infantile arbiters for past injustice.  Are you suggesting that we should forget the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920? But  most people aren't aware that in 1939 Hitler said that he would pattern his elimination of the Jews based upon what the Armenians did to Turkish people in 1914.        'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'       (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy),            "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)   I refer to the Turks and Kurds as history's forgotten people. It does not serve our society well when most people are totally unaware of what happened in 1914 where a vicious society, run by fascist Armenians, decided to simply use the phoniest of pretexts as an excuse, for wiping  out a peace-loving, industrious, and very intelligent and productive  ethnic group. What we have is a demand from the fascist government of x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our people. And the only way we can do that is if we can catch hold of and  not lose sight of the historical precedence in this very century. We  cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to  keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because  of their religion or their race. Which means that I support the claims  of the Turks and Kurds to return to their lands in x-Soviet Armenia,  to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland.  Serdar Argic
It is all so changed by now. but in case any of you is interested in what I actually said, I never compared the Israeli treatment of the palestinians with the Holocaust. Anyway that is the truth if it matters. I was about to forget about it myself since everyone started calling me anti-semitic for making the comparison that I never made. What I did say was that the Nazis didn't start with the Holocaust and their initial actions were similar to what the Israelis are doing now. 	The Jews that were stranded on the polish border since no country accepted them are like the arabs stranded on the lebenese border. No trials, no hearing, just expulsion based on guilt due to race.
In article <1993Apr20.050956.25141@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] writes:  [KK] david  Yes?  [KK] give it a rest. will you ???  No.  [KK] it is increasingly becoming very annoying...  Barbarism is rather annoying for you, now isn't it, especially when it comes  from from a country, Azerbaijan, that claims Turkey as its number one ally,  protector, and mentor!
In article <2703@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au>, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: |> In article <1se68nINNfo2@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: |> >In article <2681@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au>, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: |>  |> >> There are Arabs in cabinet but look how long it took and to what |> >> insignificant positions they are assigned! And this is based solely |> >> on race not political belief or security as Jewish members of the |> >> same party have always been welcome just not their fellow Arabs. |>  |> >First of all, the arab standing in any party, or as any party, is solely |> >dependent upon the amount of political power they can wield effectively. |>  |> It is not a question of an individuals standing. When a party puts up an |> Arab for a Cabinet post and that Arab is rejected but the position is given |> to a Jew from the same party we are not talking about power but racism. |> Would you care to deny this has happened on several occasions with Labour |> coalitions?  Please cite specific examples where an Arab party member was rejected while a Jewish party member was accepted.  If you examine these I am sure you will discover that the Arab party member did not have the power base that his Jewish counterpart had.  The party structure in Israel has changed quite a bit insofar as knesset member elections go.  Knesset members for most parties are now elected via primaries.  The top standing members end up with cabinet posts.  This is purely a political power issue.  Check the ranking of Arab labor party members, as opposed to Jewsih members and let me know which posts are held by Jews that ranked lower in the party than their Arab fellow electees.  Once again, if for arguments sake, all the Arab Israelis were to vote for Labor at the next election, you can rest assured that the number of Arab MKs and cabinet members would increase proportionately to the power shift.  |> Not their party - them as *individuals*. Even when they belong to nice |> peaceful Zionist mainstream parties they are not welcome. Arabs are |> excluded on ficitious security grounds which are just an excuse. It |> sure looks like racism to me.  You are overlooking the fact that they wield political power as individuals based upon a wider collective power base.  |> Arabs are excluded from cabinet, even when they do the things you |> suggest, because they are Arabs. Unless of course you have a better |> reason? I am happy to listen to any good reason why a leftist Jew |> is less of a security risk than a leftist Arab from the same party. |> Look at the present cabinet.  The reasoning I see at work is purely political.  As far as security goes I think that some serious gaffs were made by right wing Jews as well - e.g. Sharon.
In article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:  >There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time.  Is this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one:    Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"   Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately   forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi   collaboration.   A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft  is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The   magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany  and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the  magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,  is attention-getting.   This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically  important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be  an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind.    In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain  political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They   occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.  The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered   "Aryan" and what befell them.   Serdar Argic
In article <C6xqJz.B6o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> narain@uiuc.edu writes: >Mark Ira Kaufman writes >>   It is your responsibility for posting quotes in context.  Your >>   phony 'research center' is the source of the most unscholarly, >>   out-of-context, agenda-ridden, and sophmoric propaganda that I >>   have ever seen.   > >Take a look in the mirror, Mark. Whatever. Anyway, Elias should take a look at my quotes to find real, effective ways of getting your point across.  Notice that all the quotes are  recent.  Buy a clue, Nazi man from up north.
In article <1smllm$m06@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes: >In article <1993May10.211316.28455@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) writes:  >I consider that defining the belonging to a nation that claims the >right to have a State based on religious belief is a form of racism.  Although I don't want to muddy the waters unnecessarily I disagree. Any discrimination based on religion is not and cannot be racist unless the sole qualification for religious membership is racial. This is not the case for Israel although it might get a little closer than, say, Islam. This of course raises the vexed question of Church AntiSemitism. Jews have been heavily discriminated against on the grounds of religion in many Christian countries. If we take Russia as an example Jews were seriously persecuted but that persecution in the eyes of the Church and State stopped at the baptismal font. Officially anyway. If a Jew converted there were no legal barriers in his way (that I know of anyway.) Peter the Great's Interior Minister came from such a convert background. Can we then claim that the Russian Orthodox did not teach AntiSemitism and was not AntiSemitic? Similarly for the Roman Catholic Church? I suspect so as this is not a racial 'taint' but one based on belief and AS is after all a form of racism. Well maybe not. What is AntiSemitism then if not something racially based? I wonder if Hitler killed converts of 'pure' German blood. Does anyone know one way or the other?  Joseph Askew
In article <1993May19.003336.10198@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <C78B1w.Kx4@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:  >>You both seem to have missed the point that most states in the Middle >>East and North Africa seem to have constant border and territorial >>disputes, not to mention boiling hatred for each other.  The removal >>of Israel is not going to change this picture.  >As much as I love Israel, I do think it's true that the Arab-Jewish conflict >over Palestine, which is now almost 100 years old, is the primary cause of >instability in the Middle East.  Please explain how the removal of Israel from the eqation is going to ease the situation in Iran, Iran/Iraq, Iraq, Iraq/Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Algeria, Egypt, Sudan ...  Human rights, freedom of press and religion, slavery, government oppression in authoritarian societies  --  how are these going to be solved by removing Israel from the Middle East?
szwilso@chip.ucdavis.edu () writes:  >To Adam Shostack (adam@endor.uucp): >  >AS>	Even though the point of your article seemed to be to flame, I >AS> felt I should point out that the lions share of US foreign aid goes to >AS> Germany, where the US stationed a hundered thousand troops for 40 >AS> years, while the Germans kicked our economic collective ass.  The >AS> money that goes to Israel is miniscule compared to what goes to >AS> Germany. >  >WHAT AN EVASIVE COMPARISON! U.S. troops stationed in Germany or >anywhere else is the world is not "Foreign Aid," numbnuts! Are you >sure you're not a closet Holocaust Revisionist, Adam??? I have a >suggestion for you: Write to your congressman or senator and ask him >or her for the official definition of "Foreign Aid" and just who are >the recipients of such. Israel is DEFINITELY on the top of the heap, >no matter how you try to twist the truth.  Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and into reality?  First off, what is the deal with your subject lines? Do you think that you are being funny? Ha ha.  What a developed sense of humor you have, I'm surprised they let you  out of the cage.  Why don't we not talk about the "official" definition of foreign aid and talk about where money is really spent.  More money is spent stationing troops in Germany (ie paying the troops, maintaining bases and equip, etc) than in Israel.  Plus, Israel does not ask the US to send troops to fight her battles.  If you look at the amount of money spent defending Korean  shipping lanes, Norway, and other trouble spots in the world, you will see that aid to Israel - from a practical standpoint - is not that much.  And so what - so what if Israel gets the most (assuming I buy your feeble argument)?  What  is your point?  Do you not want to subsidize Israel?  Well, you have two options 1) Start your own campaign, get elected as president, and then force congress to cut all aid to Israel or 2) get the fuck out!  If  you don't like how this  country operates and can't change it then move to Iran or something.
In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes: |> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> >|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >|> >04/16/93 1045  ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> >|> > |> >|>   |> >|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |> >|>  |> >|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> >|> into it	: Armenia is getting itchy.  |> >|>  |> >|> Esin. |> > |> > henrik]Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;  henrik]ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD  henrik] KNOW that SHE WILL NO  LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get  henrik] away with their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH  henrik] invasion of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED.    Esin Terzioglu]  Your ignorance is obvious from your posting.  Esin Terzioglu]  1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek  		    inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant  			posting claims) Esin Terzioglu]  2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) Esin Terzioglu]  next time read and learn before you post.     Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ? Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ?  My response to the "shooting down" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your  Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS  BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending  themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT  people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft.
Mark Ira Kaufman writes >    ... ... ... >    A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of >    400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State >    of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive >    treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.  Never mind the fact that these people were denied the right to a fair trial.   And Israel was supposed to uphold "Western values", eh?  >    ... ... ...     >    I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any >    compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so >    basic to both Christianity and Islam.    Check your facts before bashing Islam again. While there may be Muslim   anti-semites, this is no way a tenet of the religion. Saying anti-semitism is   "basic" to Islam is implicating the entire Muslim world, based on a selective   sampling of a few people, and it flies in the face of what Islam teaches.  Peace. --
deleted >  This is actually the law that David Irving > will hopefully be found guilty under due to his denial of the Holocaust. > It's too bad that this useless "Centre for Policy Research" isn't in Canada. > It'd set a nice precedent to how the law applies in Cyberspace. >  >   Steve > --  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |   Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca              Fidonet: 1:163/109.18   | > |             Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca                                       | > |    <<My opinions are not associated with anything, including my head.>>    |
In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes:  >Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in >Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial >waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of  >Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean.  Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters.  So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul?
In <1993Apr13.194543.225925@fourd.com> bill_paxton@fourd.com writes:  >Hello Serdar, >              I would like very much to meet you. Where are you located? >Let me know as soon as possible where we can meet. I am looking forward to >meeting you.  I don't know how to reach Serdar, but you might be able to reach his sysadmin by email, phone, or snail-mail.  Here is information from rs.internic.net:  Ahmet Cosar (ANATOLIA-DOM)    1530 S. 6th St.    Suite C705    Minneapolis, Minnesota, 55454     Domain Name: ANATOLIA.ORG     Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:       Cosar, Ahmet  (AC234)  cosar@ANATOLIA.ORG       612-376-7873  And here is what "finger cosar@umn.edu" gets you:              name: Ahmet Cosar-1             info: Last registered 1993 Winter Qtr Internet mailbox: cosa0001@student.tc.umn.edu    other mailbox: PROFS: COSA0001@UMNTCML   postal address: 1530 So 6th St Apt C705                   Minneapolis                   MN 55454          surname: Cosar        telephone: +1 612-376-7873            title: Grad           userid: cosa0001    X.400 mailbox: /G=Ahmet/S=Cosar-1/OU=mail/O=tc/PRMD=umn.edu/ADMD= /C=us/
In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to >recognize the statement that these "private funds" were all tax exmpt.  In >otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.  Dammit, how did ArfArf's latest excretion escape my kill file?  Oh, he changed sites.  Again.  *sigh*  OK, I assume no other person on this planet will ever use the login name of arf.  /arf@/aK:j
In article <48095@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes:  >    "Turkey must bare its teeth to Armenia."  Sooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'?  >   I have to say I vehemently disagree with you, I have seen  Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established  a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two  continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and  Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in  espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and  Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under  German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National  Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional  Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic,  Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often  expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary, during World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]  "Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)  when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it   becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon  method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical  operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."   Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.   "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities   against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the    murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian    neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish    and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see    the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...   Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise    to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would    help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of   the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!   I don't need your bias."      Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.  [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian     Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:     June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.  Serdar Argic
In article <1993Apr26.221119.22144@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >In article <2BDC2931.17498@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: > >>Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, >>but isn't that action a little draconian? > >	What alternative would you suggest be taken to safeguard the >lives of Israeli citizens? > >Adam >Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu > Tell *them* to stay home? :-) Sorry, terrible attempt at homour there.  Alternative? Hell, I don't know. But...its perfectly possible to have objections to a particular policy while feeling that there is no  "alternative choice".
In article <EGGERTJ.93May12094412@moses.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@ll.mit.edu writes:  >The cases aren't really comparable.  A project like a freeway requires >public hearings, court action, appeals, advance determination of >restitution, and so on.  The razing of the Moghrabi district in East >Jerusalem happened within hours of the end of the hostilities of the 6 >Day War.  The residents were given only two or three hours' notice to >pack up and find accomodations elsewhere.  They had no chance of >public hearing, debate, appeal, negotiation or anything.  It was get >out or die in the rubble.  In today's Jerusalem Post Magazine there is a feature story about the ongoing restoration of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter.  The author, Leah Abramowitz, writes that there were FIFTY-SEVEN synagogues in the quarter in 1948, ALL of which were destroyed, some, she says, used as donkey stables.  The building shells, that is.  I still find it really, really hard to understand why the demolition of the buildings in front of the Kotel continues to evoke more outrage than this.  Everything is so much cheaper when it happens to the Jews.  Why?
backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:  > In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ana  > Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover > *was* last month :-)         ^^^^^^^^^^   Josh, were you in such a hurry? WE celebrated Pesach THIS month, but only   with Xtian blood! Muslim blood hasn't been declared "Kosher le Pesach" by   our Hechscher (not yet) :-) :-)   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------   Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de   Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27   2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
It has be reported that the National Baseball League has been spotted in the West Bank;  they were recruiting pitchers.