In article <30937@galaxy.ucr.edu> raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu (Raffi R Kojian) writes:  >> Come again? The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing  >> glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood  >> and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged  >> in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed  >> genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia  >> and x-Soviet Armenia before and during World War I and fully  >> participated in the extermination of the European Jewry  >> during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,  >> rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the  >> Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians  >> engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal  >> they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million  >> Turks and Kurds before and during World War I. >> Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). >>         "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer  >>         No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2. >>         (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)  >Your note was not on target at all.  Armenians have had MANY independent  >times in their long and beautiful history. Including an independent   Your ignorance is hardly characteristic of most '*ians'. Sarkis Atamian  explains in his book called 'The Armenian Community, New York 1955,  Philosophical Library' that, according to historians, original fatherland  of the Armenians was in Thessaly, Greece. Armenian invaders burned and  sacked the fatherland of Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population  and presented to the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian  civilization. All reliable western historians describe how Armenians  ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly  people of Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of  the Muslim people between 1914-1920. It is unfortunately a truth that  Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II  and that, even today, criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism  Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism  among peoples.   >Please tell me how on earth Armenians fully participated in the genocide  >of Jews during WWII, are you on some heavy drugs?    Who says 'Arromdians' are no damn good? During World War II Armenians  were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over  the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik,  carried statements as follows:[1]  "Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)  when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it   becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon  method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical  operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."   Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.   "We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities   against our people (Jews). Members of our family witnessed the    murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian    neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish    and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see    the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors.   Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise    to grant themselves government if, in return, the Armenians would    help exterminate Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of   the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists."    Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.  [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian     Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:     June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.  And stick around...  Serdar Argic