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Game two of the Detroit - Toronto series will be a rougher game.  I believe that Clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars.  I believe that Probert will take exception to this and a fight between Clark and Probert will result.   I know this sounds kind of ridiculous, but I know game two Toronto will come out hitting.   Any takers on this issue?
In article <C5LFA4.E10@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) writes: >According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite >the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the >Penguins.  This is because the Islanders have won the season series against >the Devils.  I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include: > >1.  season series >2.  goals against >3.  goals for > >in this order (correct me if I'm wrong).  Anyone have anything to add?  I think that they go to divisional records before goals, but I could be wrong, too.  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts and have little if any hockey info. I have recieved two in the last 2 days. I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him.  Gregmeister  Obligatory hockey comment:
Well, we're almost halfway through the first round, and so far things are good in general:    1. The 2 teams that I hate most: Chicago and "Basten" are down 3 zip.      (even though there is a possibility either can still win their       series, yet this ego-thrashing and arrogance-smashing by the       underdogs (St. Louis and Buffalo) is so rewarding).   2. Montreal is at this stage in a team's life where they are not good      enough to go all the way, yet too good to be able to get some      (really) good draft picks... :-(   3. Is it just me, or does anyone out there also think that this year      the cup final should be played between 2 teams from the WALES?   4. Is it just because they're playing Montreal that I find the diques      arrogant ***'s, or are they really?   5. Smythe-what???? I'm really getting sick of seeing Douggie and Wendel      night in and night out... We should see some Canucks/Jets/Flames      action...!   6. Don Cherry is an ******* alright, but hey... so are our politicians...    ObLeafsJoke:  Q. what do you get when you cross a maple leaf and a                  groundhog?               A. Six more weeks of crummy hockey! ------------------------------------------------------------------ L8R, dudes... GO HABS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  --  --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Shaib  ac291@carleton.freenet.ca
In article <1993Apr21.144033.15925@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: |> In article <MfpIRbO00WBLI1ispC@andrew.cmu.edu> "William K. Willis" <ww1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: |> > |> >     As a person who has rarely even SEEN Don Cherry and doesn't know |> >anything about him, I don't know whether it is just this area |> >(Pittsburgh) of the USA that is "deprived" of his broadcasts or whether |> >he's a Canadian thing altogether.  Seriously, what is he all about?  I |> >know he was a coach at one time, and from the volume of posts about him, |> >SOMEONE surely is getting a steady diet of him somehow, but my question |> >is, what is the deal with him?  Secondly, are the comments of his that I |> >read about on the net merely flame bait, or do people actually take him |> >seriously?  I gotta tell you, from what I see, he really sounds like an |> >ass.  Let me know - maybe I'm missing something. |> > |>  |> For those of you who complain about Don Cherry, and wonder why he is |> popular... |>  |> the reply is Dick Vitale and John Madden and Bobby Knight and |> Joe Garagiola and Howard Cosell. |>  |> John Madden picks Gary Clark of the Redskins for his All-Madden team |> a lot, over much better receivers...for much the same reasons Cherry |> sings the praises of Doug Gilmour...a little guy with heart...yet one |> doesn't see a string of American posts saying that John Madden has |> lost his marbles. |>  |> Dick Vitale is always promoting this kid from this high school or |> that college with outrageous statements. |>  |> Why should Americans expect that Canada would not have such characters |> in relation to our greatest passion...which is hockey?   Canadians |> are very similar to Americans...culturally our sports are just hockey |> and curling, whereas with Americans it is football/basketball/baseball |> and bowling. |>  |> Gerald  I'd like to add that I think Canadian hockey fans like Don because his kind of hockey (the hockey he promotes in his TV appearances) is the kind that they think used to get played in the old 6 team NHL. So there's a kind of nostagia for the old days, before expansion, the Soviet series, Gretzky and even Bobby Orr, when guys weren't afraid to take a hit, nobody floated and defensemen played defence. Who cares that that probably never really existed, the myth is still around in Canada and all the European in    fluence on the game has diminished it in some people's eyes.  Personally, I'd like to add before I get flamed, I love the fast-paced "European" game and think Don Cherry is a bit of an idiot. I have to say that I missed him when I was living in the States, though. He is entertaining, even if you end up throwing your popcorn at the screen when he's on. --  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------           I stand by all the misstatements that I've made. 		-- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89
If you wanted to send your own letter to the NHL where would you send it? Brett E. Ball
Okay, here's the entry sheet.  Keep in mind that not all spots are decided, so it may change.       Series  			Your Pick		Games    Division Semis  NY Islanders-Pittsburgh New Jersey-Washington  Buffalo-Boston Montreal-Quebec  St. Louis-Chicago Toronto-Detroit  Winnipeg-Vancouver Los Angeles-Calgary    Division Finals  Patrick Adams Norris Smythe    Conference Finals  Wales Campbell   Stanley Cup winner   See previous post for scoring.  Good luck!  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
-=> Quoting Bill Gregory to All <=-      BG> hey I saw that game!  I thought the Sabres looked better that you  BG> described. It's Boston that looked weak and unsure of themselves.  Even  BG> if (big if) they (bruins) win the third game what's that going to  BG> prove?  They be lucky!        Well now the Sabres are up 3 - 0 in games, and its to      bad that Boston isn't putting up more of a fight as      that could have been the best series of the playoffs,      I think Boston will come out smoking in the next      two games and that Buffalo will end the series in      game six back in Buffalo, and say, how about those Islanders?      they are up 2 - 1 on the Capitals and will probably      win the series, only to be clobbered by the Penguins who      should eliminate the Devils in the next game.      I cannot see (i'm sad to say) anyone beating the       Penguins this year (again) and they will take cup # 3       I'm afraid.  well talk to ya later.   Steve
In article <2346575PS380.9.0@sscl.uwo.ca> 2346575PS380@sscl.uwo.ca writes: >In article <1r68fs$fhc@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> hallg@yangtze.egr.msu.edu (The Terminator) writes: >>From: hallg@yangtze.egr.msu.edu (The Terminator) >>Felix Potvin deserves to have the sh&$ kicked out of him.  If there is anyone >>that he should be hitting with his stick, its his pussy defensemen who can't >>seem to move big Dino Ciccerelli (5'10" 180 lbs) out from in front of the net. >> >>Obviously Toronto has realized that they are overmatched by the Wings and must >>rely on trying to antagonize the superior Red Wings with cheap shots.  I prefer >>to watch hockey than seeing shots of Felix Potvin slashing and spearing Dino >>Ciccerelli standing in front of the net.  HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO STAND IN >>FRONT OF THE NET, JUST NOT IN THE CREASE!  Yes, he does.  BUT, the goalie sure as hell doesn't want him there!  When I played roller hockey (boy do I miss those days) as a goalie, I would scream at my defense to clear guys out of the slot.  I don't care if he's in the crease or not, get him the hell away from me so I can see the ball! (Yes, roller hockey, remember)  And if there was nobody around to clear the slot, then I'd do it myself by pushing the offending player--*hard*.  I *hate* people in my way when I'm the goalie, and I am sure Felix does too.  I should say that I didn't see the incident, so if Potvin really swung the stick big time, then that's not right, but he can move people out of the way.  He's a player on the ice too, you know.  :-)
Matthew Rush writes:  >Is there an award for "best back-up behind a hockey great"? >Underneath all the hype about Lemieux, Stevens, Jagr, Ulf, >etc., Ron Francis has quietly put together a 100 point season >(24 goals and 76 assists in 84 games).  That was probably the >best acquisition the Penguins have made since getting Lemieux >(apologies to Rick Tocchet, who has had a hell of a year >himself).  The Pens got just the right person at just the right >time when they got Francis before the playoffs two years ago to >back-up Mario.  Who was the second-line center before they got >Francis?  I remember Randy Gilhen (who really plays tough, an >ace in the face-off circle), but nobody with all the skills >Francis has: scoring, passing, winning face-offs, and putting >100% into every game, every night.  Just wanted to glow a little.  I know what you mean!  I glow everytime Ronnie's out on the ice. In fact, one of the neatest things about seeing the Pens in person is that I can key in on him instead of watching what I'd probably be seeing on tv.  He does so many subtle things behind the play.  He said in an interview recently that when he was a kid his dad stressed the importance of playing two-way hockey; that you have to learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took that advice to heart.  He was a breath of fresh air when he arrived in Pittsburgh to the team whose forwards, for the most part, couldn't and wouldn't play a lick of defense.  It's really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought all of this success to the Pens.  You mention Rick Tocchet and he has certainly helped, and even ol' Kjell has been steady.  But looking at this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line-up permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it wouldn't matter.  If I had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would be 1) Tom Barrasso; 2) Ron Francis; 3) Larry Murphy.  (I'd love to put Francis first but I do think the only thing that could really damage the Pens right now would be to lose Barrasso.)
Allan Sullivan (allan@cs.UAlberta.CA) wrote:  : Unfortunately, that is the way the league is heading... You can't fight, : so the only way to retaliate against someone is with a cheap shot when : the ref isn't looking. Ulf has brought this to a high level... Players : stuck in the past (like Neely) who prefer fights to cheap shots : are at a disadvantage in the new system.  : Lets face it, A cheap shot (like high sticking) is a very effective : method... It is easier to hide from the refs, has a better chance of : causing injury, and you can draw people into fights that way. I don't : like it, but that's the way the league is going.  : By the way, there was a rather good hit by Ulf in the last Penguin-Devil : game. Managed to hit the NJ player in the face with a stick. (Must have been a : legal hit... After all, Ulf is a clean player and is allowed to do : things like that.)  Are there any ex NHL hockey players out there who might care to comment on this and end this ridiculously long discussion?
In article <1993Apr23.171510.20581@vicorp.com>, dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier) says: >>even see just one little Boston fan post, 'cept for the Bruins fans that >>aren't cocky. ...  >I guess the concept of a fan who is not cocky is something you couldn't >possible understand, eh?  My sig has nothing to do with cockiness.  What you put in your sig has nothing to do with your article, as I learned back in the fall, the hard way.  >Nah.  I doubt you really would.  You're just being a PROVOCATIVE SOB >as usual with a large stick up your but.  Of course, I mean that in the  You mean 'butt' don't you?  Not but :-)  >nicest way.  :-)  Sure you do -- what??????????  >And just how much bragging did YOU do, "wobbie," on r.s.b.c after >UMASS!!! beat your Quakers?  Two points, one what does r.s.b.c. have to do with hockey?  Secondly, UMASS beat my Quakers???  Hello!!!  Earth here, are you responding???  We're not in the Atlantic 10 (or 8 whatever you wanna call it), we're in the Big 10 now!!! The A-10 was too weak for my Lady Lions -- they had to go to a more challenging conference.  It didn't pay off as the Big East showed them a thing or too, but I still posted on a regular basis and tracked all the women's scores with reviews throughout the tournament.  It wasn't a reason to stop posting. :-)  >BTW.  Congratulations should go to the Sabres.  They are playing more  It's not over yet -- if anyone has a chance to come back in 4 games, I think Boston can do it, but I still see Buffalo winning in 6.  >diciplined, and with more will to win.  They deserve it.  Agreed -- they're playing tremendous hockey right now.  Congatualtions on three straight Buffalo.  It could very easily be 2-1 Boston, but Buffalo has come up tough and a little luck.  (You never see a penalty in OT that doesn't have both sides involved in a playoff game.  Never never never!)
Group A					Group B ~~~~~~~					~~~~~~~  Cardiff Devils  7-3  Bracknell Bees	Nottingham Panthers  8-3  Billingham Humberside      7-7  Whitley Warriors	Murrayfield Racers  11-2  Fife Flyers Whitley Bay     6-9  Cardiff Devils     Billingham Bombers   6-8  Murrayfield Humberside      8-5  Bracknell Bees	Nottingham Panthers 11-5  Fife Flyers Cardiff Devils 10-4  Humberside		Murrayfield Racers   6-4  Nottingham Bracknell Bees  4-9  Whitley Bay	Fife Flyers          2-5  Billingham Bracknell Bees  3-8  Cardiff Devils	Billingham Bombers   2-8  Nottingham Whitley Bay     5-7  Humberside		Fife Flyers          3-12 Murrayfield  		P W D L  F  A  P			     P W D L  F  A  P Cardiff Devils  4 4 0 0 34 16  8*	Murrayfield Racers   4 4 0 0 37 15  8* Humberside      4 2 1 1 26 27  5	Nottingham Panthers  4 3 0 1 31 16  6* Whitley Bay     4 1 1 2 27 27  3	Billingham Bombers   4 1 0 3 16 26  2 Bracknell Bees  4 0 0 4 15 32  0	Fife Flyers	     4 0 0 4 12 39  0  * indicates qualified for Championship Finals  Relegation/Promotion A			Relegation/Promotion B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~			~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Basingstoke    10-4  Swindon Wildcats   Sheffield Steelers  12-8  Peterborough Durham Wasps   13-5  Romford Raiders	Slough Jets          1-9  MK Kings Basingstoke     6-0  Durham Wasps	Sheffield Steelers   9-4  Milton Keynes Swindon         8-5  Romford Raiders    Milton Keynes Kings  4-6  Peterborough Durham Wasps   17-2  Swindon Wildcats	Slough Jets          2-12 Sheffield Romford         4-10 Basingstoke 	Peterborough        10-2  Slough Jets Romford        *8-3* Durham Wasps	Peterborough	     8-5  Sheffield Swindon         7-11 Basingstoke        Milton Keynes Kings 10-4  Slough Jets  		P W D L  F  A  P			     P W D L  F  A  P Basingstoke     4 4 0 0 37 15  8	Sheffield Steelers   4 3 0 0 38 22  6 Durham Wasps    4 2 0 2 33 21  4	Peterborough         4 3 0 1 32 23  6 Swindon         4 1 0 3 21 43  2	Milton Keynes Kings  4 2 0 2 27 20  4 Romford Raiders 4 1 0 3 22 34  2	Slough Jets	     4 0 0 4  9 41  0
In article <DT642B1w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes: >        Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL  >franchise in the first place! >Whatta weird town!!!!!  	Whatta ass!!!!!
That more or less says it.  I flicked the Penguins game on briefly and saw Ulf cross-check Valeri in the face.  I am wondering if Don Cherry is going to go off on this at all in coach's corner.  billc
Does anyone know if MSG will televise any of the Binghampton Rangers playoff games.  Even taped replays would be nice?
For those Leaf fans who are concerned, the following players are slated for return on Thursday's Winnipeg-Toronto game :     Peter Zezel, John Cullen    Mark Osborne and Dave Ellett are questionable to return on Thursday.
Detroit is a very disciplined team.  There's a lot of Europeans in Detroit which would make the game fast, so Toronto would have to slow the game down, which means drawing penalties, as a last resort anyway.  Toronto will be a good team as soon as they get more good players.  Toronto is just an average team, Detroit isn't Ballard screwed Toronto when he was owner.  Everyone knows that. and it's going to take time for Toronto to become a real force. I expect Gilmour to be burnt out next year.  He can't pull the whole team forever.
In <1993Apr25.170303.19486@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:  >Wayne made his own bed...choosing McNall over Sather and hockey >destiny...he should sleep in it instead of whining.  Ego got  Absolute nonsense.  The decision that was made was Pocklington's.  He chose  20 mill over Gretzky.  If Gretzky wasn't upset about not being able to win a cup in LA then I submit that he wasn't worth the 20 mill.  >the best of him...he thought the supporting cast in Edmonton >didn't matter...that he was the show himself.  How do you know what he thinks (or thought)?  The only "thought" that I can see that you have revealed is your own.  You don't like Gretzky. Big deal.  >Now, my only complaint about Lemieux is that he dives too much... >but last year Patrick convinced him twice to accept Bowman and hockey >destiny, rather than his ego.  The real purpose of diving is not merely an attempt to draw a penalty.  What the player is trying to do is make the checkers keep their distance so the ref won't be fooled.  I can't imagine why anyone would expect someone like Lemieux to change his game.  Why don't you pick on 1 dimensional over-rated type like Hull and Salami.    --
In article <1993Apr20.184627.4585@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >In article <93109.134719IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes: >>When is the draft this year?  And will there be any coverage? >>I know the upcomming NFL draft is on ESPN. >> >>Anyone got the details? >> >>Paul Kariya 1993 #1 Pick! (No. 2 perhaps?  He won't last long!) :-) >> >I don't know the exact coverage in the states.  In Canada it is covered >by TSN, so maybe ESPN will grab their coverage!  I don't know! > >As for the picks >Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will  >go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec.  IMO I would >take Kariya.  He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in >the World Championships.  Daigle didn't show this for his junior team. > >San Jose will then get Kariya. > >Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a  >    defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong) > 	The Sharks appear to be leaning toward picking Rob 	Niedermayer, a center (his brother Scott (?) is a defenseman 	picked by NJ a couple years ago).  They brought him in for a 	physical/tryout a week or so ago. From what I have read 	Niedermayer is the best skater in the draft, plays BOTH 	offense and defense, and isn't afraid of physical play. 	Defensively the Sharks are looking pretty good in terms of 	defense prospects (Rathje, Sykora, Ragnarsson), and our 	centers (Kisio et al) are getting old.  	With all of the small players the Sharks have I justs CAN't 	see them picking yet another small player like Kariya, he'd 	just get bashed by the oppposition and get a separated  	shoulder.
In article <1993Apr21.111312.5054@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes: >ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage >and I agree with all of you.  Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up >over nothing.  We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck.  I mean have >you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It >sucks, I mean really sucks!!!  ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the >ass.  I was really pissed of about last night, coverage.  I go to school in Ohio >I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them?  If I were Bill Clement I would >shoot myself. > >Anyway after I calmed down after I realized that they were not going to show >overtime of the Caps Isles game I thought to myself I knew that this was going >to happen, in fact I remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even >the boring Devils game. > >Overall I think ESPN does not care if they show hockey or not and I firmly >belive that they have know respect for the fans. ie *because of contract        >obligations*, screw you ESPN. > >Praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit! > >GO HAWKS!!! >  This is the price hockey fans have to pay for the mistake of leaving ESPN 5 or 6 years ago...it will take time to correct for that mistake.  But returning to ESPN was the correct decision last year...by next time, we may have the potential for Sportschannel and ESPN to really compete to offer better coverage and be forced to deliver on it.
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Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers, and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers.  The Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers. The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because they were very interested in him.  Oh well.  Go CAPS!!!!!!!  Connin