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In article <AMOSS.93Apr27140637@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:  >|Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count >|Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of >|independence.  He was killed by the Israelis.  Seems he was being too >|successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked >|territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.  >That operation was done by a small Jewish fraction BEFORE the state even >existed and, as far as I remember, was disaproved by most of the Jews. > >Saying that "He was killed by the Israelis" is plain wrong because there wasn't >"Israel" at the time.  Look up the facts first, post second.  Bernadotte was assassinated in September 1948 by Lehi under the orders of its three commanders (one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir).  There is no hard evidence of complicity of the Israeli government despite some effort by the UN and other organizations (US intelligence, Swedish government) to find it.  However a great fuss was made over the apparent lack of zeal of the Israeli government to track down the killers.  The Lehi man who actually pulled the trigger later became a personal friend of David Ben-Gurion.  The best published account in English is A. Ilan,  Bernadotte in Palestine, 1948 (Macmillan, 1989).  >--Amos Shapira (Jumper Extraordinaire)
In article <1993Apr20.110021.5746@kth.se>, hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:   henrik]  The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their  henrik]  RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are  henrik]  INVADING their homeland.   HE]     Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today HE]     Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) HE]     are their homeland. Can't you see the HE]     the  "Great Armenia" dream in this? With facist methods like HE]     killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the HE]     blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to HE]     escape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds HE]     by the Armenians.  Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade  Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this  policy.  If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land in the first place, not the Armenians.  henrik]  However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane henrik]  to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one henrik]  that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane henrik]  (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.  HE]     Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes HE]     were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities HE]     announced that they were going to search these cargo HE]     planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. HE]     5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of HE]     of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not HE]     humanitarian aid.....  What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out.   HE]     Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. HE]     Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons HE]     to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan HE]     it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons HE]     since it's content is announced to be weapons?
>  > Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that > taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is > wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As > it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow > hateful sppech whose only purpose is to stir anger and violence. >  > Harry.  	Actually, You're wrong as well. The KKK is allowed to march and any attempts to curtail their freedom is rejected (Actually I believe the ACLU won a case for them last year).  	Morality should not be legilated in a free country like the U.S.  	I'll post something on TJ and Uva under Uva for those Hoos bashers.
Dear folks,  I am still awaiting for some sensible answer and comment.  It is a fact that the inhabitants of Gaza are not entitled to a normal civlized life. They habe been kept under occupation by Israel since 1967 without civil and political rights.   It is a fact that Gazans live in their own country, Palestine. Gaza is not a foriegn country. Nor is TelAviv, Jaffa, Askalon, BeerSheba foreign country for Gazans. All these places are occupied as far as Palestinians are concerned and as far as common sense has it.   It is a fact that Zionists deny Gazans equal rights as Israeli citizens and the right to determine by themsevles their government. When Zionists will begin to consider Gazans as human beings who deserve the same rights as themselves, there will be hope for peace. Not before.  Somebody mentioned that Gaza is 'foreign country' and therefore Israel is entitled to close its borders to Gaza. In this case, Gaza should be entitled to reciprocate, and deny Israeli civilians and military personnel to enter the area. As the relation is not symmetrical, but that of a master and slave, the label 'foreign country' is inaccurate and misleading.  To close off 700,000 people in the Strip, deny them means of subsistence and means of defending themselves, is a collective punishment and a crime. It is neither justifiable nor legal. It just reflects the abyss  to which Israeli society has degraded.   I would like to ask any of those who heap foul langauge on me to explain why Israel denies Gazans who were born and brought up in Jaffa to return and live there ? Would they be allowed to, if they converted to Judaism ? Is their right to live in their former town depdendent upon their religion or ethnic origin ? Please give an honest answer.
In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:  >Come on!  Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war  >against Israel.    I wouldn't bet on it.  Arab governments generally don't care much about the Palestineans and their struggle but find it useful for political purposes back home. They are happy to leave the Palestineans largely under Israeli control because that leaves the job of controlling them to the Israelis.  The Israelis don't like this job any more than King Hussein of Jordan liked it -- and he managed to kill them off at the rate of thousands per month when they started an Intifada in Jordan.  The governments of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all feel similarly.  However, proclaiming public support for the Palestinean war against Israel deflects criticism from deep problems at home and lends an air of legitimacy to even the most brutal Arab tyrants.  Arab *PEOPLE* probably aren't much more sympathetic.  Palestineans have shown a willingness to destabilize and plunder in Jordan, Lebanon and Kuwait and are viewed with suspicion elsewhere.  You might still be right in sympathy to the war against Israel, but I suspect that many Arabs, far removed from the immediate border with Israel (e.g. in Kuwait or Morroco), couldn't care less.
In article <1483500366@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: > >There are basically three alternatives for Gaza:  What is this "Gaza"? Are you purposely separating it from the "West Bank"? If so, why separate the people and territories? If not, why are you just addressing "Gaza" here?  > >1.  To throw the Jews to the sea. that is basically to make them leave >   the Middle-East and go back to where they came from (russia, Europe,  >  USA, etc)  By all means, continue to list the "etc." The reason I particularly bring this up here is that there are **many** from middle eastern and west asian countries. That fact in itself **adds** an important element to any consideration of "resolution" of the Arab-Israel conflict.  >2.  To throw the Gazans into the sea, in accordance with Yitzhak Rabin's >     wish and that of many Zionists.  You explained what "sea" meant with regard to the Israelis/jews, please do so in this case.  >3.  For Israelis and Palestinians to come to an honorable and fair (I >    don't attempt to say just) settlement,   "Just"? You better not ask for that because that would mean North  American tribes would be returned their lands, the pre-Islamic tribes  would take back their lands from the Islamic invaders, the Saxons get  to kick the Normans out of the UK, the central and south american  tribes get to kick the spanish descendents out of thier lands.....  And, once we have returned the land to those who last possessed it,  we have to find out from whom **they** stole it. At some point, *every*  culture stole the land they are on from previous occupants.  >   which would allow each person to live in dignity in his country in  >   freedom and equality.  But wait! Now you refer to "Palestinians", so what happened to "Gaza"? > >I personnaly opt for the third alternative. How about you folks ?  As we both know, most people would choose the third alternative. And, since you have done so in the past, perhaps you would initiate things by  presenting your vision of "resolution". In doing so, however, the worries (not paranioas, *worries*) and resonable expectations **of both** parties should be considered. > >Elias >
In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:  >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His  Your suggestion to learn something about "the perversion of Judaism" from someone you claim has experience in Israeli intelligence and the PLO is like a suggestion to learn something about the conspiracy of Sesame Street from someone with experience in fashion design and pizza-making.   >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism.  "Judeo-Nazism"?  CPR, you're in a league with Barf Shmidling himself. You can take that as a compliment, if you see it that way.
In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: |>  |> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> |> Subject: Ten questions about Israel |>  |>  |> Ten questions to Israelis |> ------------------------- |>  |> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to |> provide |>  accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are |> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by |> people around me.  I lived there until July 1992 so I think that on the whole, my input is relevant.  |> 1.      Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize |> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens |> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as |> Israelis ?  Those are two separate questions.  Obviously, Israeli authorities do recognize Israeli nationality for some purposes, e.g. passports, consular services, etc...  ID cards have a field of nationality which is a subdivision of the above.  Ostensibly, this field is provided for sevices provided by the religious departments of the gov't, though this is not the general case.  |> 2.      Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders |> and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to |> state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be |> ?  From its onset, Israel's borders have been shaped and reshaped by both war and peace.  As such, the Israeli gov't has always felt that defining its borders is a step that is meaningful only after peace treaties have been conluded with its neighbors.  There is no plan for "ultimate borders" (is this a game like "ultimate frisbee"?) extending into  other countries.  |> 3.      Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, |> could you provide any evidence ?  Aside from what Vaanunu provided, no.  |> 4.      Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of |> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their |> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are |> state secrets ?  If that is true, then by virtue of the question's subject, it is unanswerable.  Anyone who claims its validity. is claiming an oxymoron. That having been said, I deny the above.  You go on to ask quite a number of questions that show an obvious bias.  Questions of the sort "Is it true that you entered your mother's vagina?" which are based upon some kernel of truth, though phrased in a way as to render them repugnant and cast aspersions upon Israel.  Incidentally, the answer to the above is usually yes, unless you were born via a C-section.
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Ten questions about Israel   Ten questions to Israelis -------------------------  I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to provide  accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by people around me.  1.      Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as Israelis ?  2.      Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be ?  3.      Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, could you provide any evidence ?  4.      Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of individuals which were tried in secret and for which their identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are state secrets ?  5.      Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews?  6.      Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48 to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ?  7.      Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in Bosnia-Herzegovina ?  8.      Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as members in kibbutzim?  9.      Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage marriages between Jews and non-Jews ?  10.     Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the site of a muslim cemetery ?  Thanks,
Can someone elaborate a little on what this "Libertarian" movement is? I am not going to draw conclusions from a small sample, but so far I recall two self-described "Libertarians" posting here. Both seems to be:  1) Incredibly ignorant. 2) Incredibly arrogant. 3) All they want is to get people angry. 4) Posses a lousy sense of humor. 5) write incoherently and jump from topic to topic without any logical    connection between topics. 6) Describe themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable, although everything    in their posters points to the opposite. 7) Very childish.  Is this some campaign to smear this Libertarian party or what?
In article <1483500344@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> > Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. > > /* Written  4:41 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ > /* ---------- "From Israeli press. TORTURE." ---------- */ > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. > > Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz > > Subject: Torture   Sigh.  Farwell LA, Donchin E. The truth will out: Interrogative polygraphy ("lie detection") with event-related brain potentials. Psychophysiology 1991;28:531-547  "The research reported here was supported in part by contract number 87F350800 with the Central Intelligence Agency. Preliminary reports were presented at the 1986, 1988, and 1989 meetings of the Society for Psychophysiological Research".  Donchin happens to be an Israeli.  Do you really think that Israel needs something as primitive as torture when it has THIS as well as something brought over by a Russian mathematician from the Lenningrad Military Hospital in 1979  (factor-analysis of multiple unit activity of the brain) ???  Surely you jest.  When Israel sics trained dogs on Arab prisoners the way it's commonly done on prison farms in Mississippi or Alabama, *then* you have a right to protest against torture. When Israeli security personnel beat Arab prisoners the way Chicago police do, *then* you have a right to complain. Since it does NOT practice physical torture in any way, kindly refrain from using this word.  Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Dear Mr. Beyer:  It is never wise to confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom" of racism and violent deragatory."  It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial  distinction.  Indeed, I find the latter in absolute and complete contradiction to the former. Racial invective tends to create an atmosphere of intimidation where certain individuals (who belong to the group under target group) do not feel the ease and liberty to exercise  *their* fundamental "freedom of speech."  This brand of vilification is not sanctioned under "freedom of speech.  Salam,  John Absood
In article <1sreod$73k@venus.haverford.edu> Michael Sells <m_sells@haverford.edu> writes: >Subject: Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians >From: Satya Prabhakar, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu >Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:50:31 GMT >In article <C6x81M.EJF@news.cis.umn.edu> Satya Prabhakar, >prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu writes: >>(mohamed.s.sadek) writes: >>> >>>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. >>> >>>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >>>and calling that "moral rape". >>> >>>He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious >BIGOTRY" >> >>Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan >Muslims, >>in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world >>war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. > >This kind of racialist generalization is utterly inappropriate.  SOME >Bosnian Muslims cooperated with the Nazis in World War 2.  Other Bosnian >Muslims risked their lifes to hide Jews from the Nazis and Ustashe, and >those Jews who survived the war remember that.  In fact the Jewish leader >in Sarajevo has remained there saying he wants to repay the debt to the >Bosnian Muslims that saved so many Jewish lives in WW2. > >Similarly, SOME Serbs are "doing" to Muslims now. This is a group of >serial-killers, rapists, and thieves who have control of the vast >Yugoslav army arsenal.  Many other Serbs oppose these atrocities.  As one >of Serbian heritage who condemns emphatically the genocide being carried >out against Muslims by both HVO and Mladic forces, I condemn your >generalization about Bosnian Muslims and about Serbs. > > > This is not a fresh case of >>ethnic cleansing but just another chapter in the continuing saga >>of intense mutual hatred, destruction,...  > >Every place on earth is the scene of a saga of mutual hatred and >destruction.  The holocaust was not a "fresh case."  It was another >chapter in a 900 year history of attacks on Jews in Europe.  That didn't >make it acceptable. and Balkan history does not make the genocide against >Bosnian Muslims acceptable. > >Not taking sides in this >>perpetual war does not amount to religious bigotry. > >Standing by and allowing well-armed criminals to slaughter Bosnian Muslim >civilians, while enforcing an arms embargo against the Bosnian Muslims is >not only religious bigotry it is direct complicity in mass-murder. > > > It could just >>be helplessness with regards to bringing peace to a region that does >>not even know the meaning of the word. > >You tell us a region on earth that does have a long history of war.  NATO >is the largest military "police force" in the world.  It was not >"helpless."  It could have stopped the carnage a year ago.   > > >> >>Satya Prabhakar > >Regards, > >Mike. >-- >Michael Sells, Department of Religion, Haverford College >Haverford, Pa 19041-1392
In article <BRADSKI.93Apr15210934@retina.bu.edu> bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) writes: >>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: > >>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. >                                       ^^^ >The Syrians?  Iranian agents?  Or just Israeli invaders? >-- >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@   --------------- >Gary Bradski                  I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu       | reverberate |   >Cognitive and Neural Systems                                   --------------- >Boston University.                                                 |  V V >111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215                                 ^   Y >617/ 353-6426                                                     ^ ^  |  >                                                               -------------- >            I don't even agree with some of my opinions        |   or die!  | >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@   -------------- >  I did say *any* invader, didn't I?  What do you want from me, perhaps a neural net design with all countries involved in Lebanon as its nodes? :-)  (You are in Cognitive and Neural Systems)
In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: |>  |> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> |> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal |>  |>  |> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. |> ---------------------------------------------------------- by |> 			  Elias Davidsson  This could be accomplished by other criteria.  One must remember that children often bring stress into households. As an alternative, one could consider financial incentives for every sexual act performed by two partners of different ethnic backgrounds.  The plan could be entitled "PEACE INCOME SEXUAL SECURITY", or PISS for short.  Every time an Israeli gets screwed by a Palestinian or visa versa, they would be eligible for income. In keeping with the spirit of the times, condoms would be a tax deductible expense.  This policy does not discriminate on a gender basis nor would it apply to domestic animals of either nationality.  Joint Palestinan-Israeli teams would be obligated to ensure that all acts were voluntary and promptly rewarded. The teams of Palestinian-Israel Morals Patrols, or PIMPS, would receive a percentage of the financial income in order to encourage their participation and add to their incentive in locating suitable candidates.  |> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as |> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Shouldn't that be insemination?  |> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND