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In article <1993Apr22.171734.9534@alleg.edu>, ballb@reis56.alleg.edu (Brett Ball) writes: > In article <1993Apr22.101356.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>  writes: >> I for one am happy about the Ranger's hiring of Keenan.  It's too bad   > that they >> didn't hire him when Smith fired Nielsen, maybe he could of staightened   > out the >> babies on this team and made the playoffs.  What this team needs is a   > little >> fire under their butts!! >>  >> Reading through most of these hockey news I don't see many Ranger fans   > writing.    >> I'm new to this system and a big hockey fan and a long suffering(1940)   > Ranger >> fan.  But remember suffering builds character!! >>  >> I have some final questions about the way the team was handled in that   > last >> dreadful stretch. >>  >> 1. Knowing they needed offensive help from the blueline, why didn't we   > see Mike >> Hurlbut, who played pretty well when he was called up when Leetch first   > went >> down? >>  >> 2. Why????!!!!! is Joe Kocur playing every night?  He is not Bob Probert   > who is >> tough but also can play. >>  >> 3. How come Paul Broten is relegated to street clothes for the end of   > the >> season.  At least he plays with some heart and character, draws   > penalties and >> plays 110% when he's on the ice.  Was he in the doghouse for some   > reason? >>  >> 4. Joe Cirella?????!!!!  Enough said! >>  >> Ranger fans may be suffering but we're some of the most loyal, unlike   > Islander >> fans who only show up when the team wins. >>  >> As far as the Stanley Cup goes I think there's only one team that can   > test >> Pittsburgh and that's Detroit.  This would be the most entertaining and   > hard >> fought series.  Mario is amazing! >>  >> Kurt >  > I think Joe Kocus should play every night.   He is a big physical guy, and   > he gets the fans into the game with some big hits.  (both checks and   > fists)  Its a big advantage to get the crowd going.  Plus, he helps   > protect the other players.  Notice there are very few fights when Kocur is   > on the ice unless he is it.  I have seen people start to go after essa   > Tikkanen, only to go slinking away when Kocur steps in.  I think he is big   > asset, but should be third line, and special situation only play. >>  >>  >>  >>This is fast becoming a game without the goons.  I admit Kocur may get the fans into the game but surely they would rather see Broten taking a pass from Kovalev and scoring a breakaway goal to put the Rangers up 3 (magic #) goals in the third period, rather than seeing Kocur take another stupid penalty and the Rangers giving up another powerplay goal!   The Rangers need another top flight center who can take the pressure off Messier and the first line.  Nemchinov is a perfect third line center.  So who goes Beezer or Richter?
In article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca>, boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: > 	Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the > way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage?  When I flipped > to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even.  My question > is:  Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the  > ABC coverage for its own? >  >   Here in Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island, for you furriners out there) we got the ABC coverage on KOMO.  It probably depends on your cable company.  I started off switching between the CBC and ABC broadcasts, but finally settled on ABC.  I can't stand Don Whitman, and Al Michaels was doing a decent job.  He followed the play pretty well, knew all the players' names, and only made a couple of "rookie" mistakes that I noticed. One thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain the offside rule.  Am-I-paranoid-or-is-this-really-happening department: There were no fights in the game, but there were a couple of occasions where it looked like a fight was about to start.  Both times ABC cut away to show a closeup of a coach or McNall or something.  Has ABC decided to adopt the "Spicer policy?"
In article <1993Apr16.222846.17764@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with > another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time > of the players involved.      It's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I can think of.  Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team.  The contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the same team or different teams.  And yet ... awards are given and promotions received based in part on these meaningless stats.  The operative words are "in part" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one has about the player.     > To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd...  And comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd... but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\- for Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league... and yet...  How about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game.
In article 27089, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Mad Dog) reports:  >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars,  >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3.  The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play.  Are there any further stories to report on the eve' of Norm's farewell  from the twin cities? In an earlier post, it was announced that Norm  Green was given until midnight of the last home-game of the North Stars to cleanup his belongings and turn in the keys to the arena.  Did this happen? Was Norm run-out-of-town?  Rumor has it that while he was attempting to remove the score board,  the score-board fell to the ice and flattened Mr. Greedy to a large piece of green paper. Arena management had to use the Zamboni (which  they confiscated from Norm's truck) to clean-up the useless remains.
Jason Cockroft (jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:  : What are the Leafs to do?  I am a Leaf supporter and : I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there : is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits  Root for another team. ;-)  : Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against  : the Wings.  They are too small.  The key to any Leafs success : will have to be Clark.  He is the only centre who can have .. Andreychuk, is NOT small, slow and sloth-like, maybe, but he is about 6'4" and that is not what I would consider as small.  As an aside, The big AndreyCHUNK as I call him has been known to disappear come playoff time.  This was one of his main problems when playing for Buffalo.  : GO LEAFS !!! GO SABRES !!!
In article <1993Apr26.054446.29764@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: >Ali "Procrastination" Lemer || "I gave [NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman] a puck >Columbia University (NYC)   || once. He spent the rest of the day trying to  >phoenix@ctr.columbia.edu    || open it." -- Pat Williams, GM, Orlando Magic >***************** BE KIND TO ANIMALS...HUG A HOCKEY PLAYER! *******************  	Nice sig. Like the change.  	BTW: Could you post the names of the people who are going to be on the letter? I (and I'm sure others) would like to know if we are included. If I'm not I want to be! Roger is a fool!
In article <1pq50fINN15b@abyss.West.Sun.COM> dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) writes: >NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should >only be three penalties: > >1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your >   body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. > >2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the >   current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you >   are thrown out of the game, and fined. > >3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot >   is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. > >Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties >in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, >until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in >the act of shooting when the foul ocured.  These new rule changes are great!  However, I think that your rules are MUCH too complicated.  How will the normal average fan be able to count how many fouls a player has?  And then we would even have to remember the names of the players, in order to determine who drew the foul!  And, of course, there will have to be new "sub-positions", like the power center who just sits in the slot until the (blue, of course) puck comes near him, and the "shooting defenseman" and the "point defenseman".  Finally, we'll be able to keep stats on the best and the worst penalty-shot takers.  Since almost everyone on the ice will be getting fouled, we'll be able to see Ulf Samuellson (sp?) and Tie Domi miss penalty shots like crazy.    ;-) ;-) ;-)  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
In article <1993Apr15.161737.28377@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes: >  > In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes: >>>  >>>  >>> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that >>> takes into account defensive play.  It isn't a measure of defensive >>> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play. >>                                                    >>  If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats >>  should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect  >>  of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation >>  tools!! >  > IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man > advantage.  Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated > because their point totals are inflated by power play points. > +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, > John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. >  > Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can > inflate his totals. >  > Gregmeister
In article <93097.094815MECE7187@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <MECE7187@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:  >Im sorry to tell you this, but unless they pull off another 1986 miracle, there > is no way the HABS will win this year.   Ever since they traded for >Ramage, and since Savard came off injury, they have been playing shinny.  And >you cant blame Roy for the 4-0 loss to Washington, when 20 players could not >score one goal.  I know, you think >I am a Boston fan, but all of my years have been dedicated to Les HABS.  >David Degan  Well, it seems that the Habs have been much talked-about of late, so here's my $0.02.  These guys have absolutely no concept of how to play in front of the damn net!!!  Watch them in the offensive zone, especially on the powerplay.  Damphousse or Lebeau will skate all over the bloody zone, maybe pass to the point, get it back, skate some more, pass it around....BUT WHERE'S THE SHOT??! Answer: the shot is totally useless because they lack a forward who stands in front of the net a la` Neely, Shanahan, Tocchet, etc etc.  Too bad  Demers won't put Dipietro or LeClair on the powerplay more often.  Dammit, even Ewen would at least cause some disruptions.  Montreal desperately needs a power forward with some talent, IMO.  Then watch them in their own zone. Patrick Roy is screened on everything. Say what you want about his performance; IMNSHO he cannot stop what he cannot see.  And Montreal's defence does a miserable job of clearing the front of the net.  Last night against Washington Roy played a *great* game.  The first goal came on the most ridiculous goalmouth scramble I've seen in a long time, and he didn't have a hope in hell of stopping the shot.  The second goal came on a deflection of a shot he only partially saw anyway.  Pathetic defence.  The third goal was EN.  No wonder he gets pissed off at his defencemen.
In article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at >NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and >excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do >it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play >captain-Stevens.  Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see >for yourselves.    Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think   all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams   before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had   expected.    COBRA
In article <C5u542.3CD@news.udel.edu> tmavor@earthview.cms.udel.edu writes: >> >>[Various justifiable rantings on ESPN coverage by several deleted] >> > >The only way to change ESPN's thinking, if it is even possible, is to complain >to them directly.  Anyone know there telephone # in Bristol, Ct?    Heh... Try the rec.autos.sport FAQ. They are always calling ESPN to complain. I'm sure you could find the number for ABC there too, as many west-coast  viewers were compaining about how something as boring as hockey cut into the Long Beach GP. =)  > >I do find it hard to believe that ESPN doesn't think viewers will simply >change the channel from a boring game....I know I did.  And then, when >they didn't show the NYI-Wash overtime(s), I was livid!  If I wanted >to watch baseball, I could have turned on the Phillies-Padres extra >inning game....instead, I went to bed angry......I boycotted ESPN's >morning Sportscenter today, I was still so incensed.  Were you (and several of the other people here it seems) asleep the day "contracts" were explained? ASPN has a piece of paper saying it MUST show that baseball game if it happens. Many businesses payedd money to have their commercials run during a baseball game. This is a business, not your own personal video servant.  > >My wife says I shouldn't go to bed angry, but last nite.........GRRRRRRR! >  Maybe you should put that anger into something positive. For example, I saw ads for the new Dodge both on the ESPN and KBL broadcasts. Why not write to Dodge saying that "thanks to the ads run during the STANLEY CUP PLAYOFFS,  you will now concider their products in the future. They love to hear stuff like that and in the future will be more willing to buy commercial time for hockey games, giving ESPN (and other networks) more incentive to carry games (just one example)  Come on people, as great as we think it is, Hockey does not leapfrog the "big three" overight.
In article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at >NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and >excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do >it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play  Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow the Devils, anyway? Jeez....
Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight.  They said they will show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game...  Anyone heard for sure???
In article <1993Apr22.102420.2694@sei.cmu.edu> sad@sei.cmu.edu (Susan Dart) writes: >Amongst Penguins' fans there seems to be an inner calm that I've never >experienced before this year with the Pens. The players and the fans have so >much confidence in the team this year. We're savoring every game and saving >our energy for the Stanley Cup.  That's not inner calm.  It's boredom, and it's being spoiled.  The Arena's been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just take winning for granted.  It's been seemingly forever since the team lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and surprise at victory.  While I'm glad to have the Pens doing so well, in some ways it was a better high back when the Pens beat the Bruins two years ago, and the Rangers last year. Too much of a good thing is not always good for you.
>I've been under the impression that Minnesota was one of, or possibly, >THE hockey state in the U.S.  So why is the team moving to a city in >Texas?  Is it that the owner is a greedy, self-serving profiteer, or >were the Stars really not making a profit?  Or was the city or whoever >owned the arena doing some price gouging?   Norman Green claims that he has lost money over the last three years that he has owned the team.  When he bought the team, it seemed kind of obvious that he was going to have to deal with a few years in the red, before the team started making a profit again.  He gave the impression that he was willing to do so.  He claimed two years ago that the team needed to average only 8000+ fans per game in order to pull a profit, but this season the team averaged 12000+ fans, despite increasd ticket prices.  I think the team's attendence and play was clearly in an upward trend, which leaves me dumbfounded as to how he could ignore that in deciding to move.  He was even offered the many concessions he rudely demanded, such as guaranteed season ticket sales, cheap rent at the other two arenas in town, etc.  Oh well, I guess the bottom line is $$$.  Green wanted immediate huge returns in Dallas, and wasn't willing to wait another year or so in MN.  Dallas gave Green a pretty stellar deal to play there (although I feel Minnesota's was quite reasonable), and he also has some cronies down there as well.  All this means, is that Minnesota is without an NHL team for a year or two.  Too bad for the NHL.
Have the rules for goalies' equipment changed? It seems that e.g. glove has become bigger and bigger all the time (and pads too), and the goalies are wearing "over size" jerseys. Am I dreaming? If you watch old photos or films let say about ten years back, I think the difference is quite obvious. Who is an expert on this, please let me know. (Or have the goalies become bigger?)
How long can the Leafs play short-handed and still be expected to score?  They did some fine penely-killing in the first (2 men down for a couple of minutes at one point) but they just couldn't keep it  up.  They spent virtually the entire game either short-handed or just coming off a penelty -- as soon as they'd get re-grouped, they're penalized again!   Sheesh -- like Gilmour said after the 1st -- you can't go calling  every little push an shove in a game like that.  And if you're going to, you have to do it for both teams.   Pearson (one of my four favorite Leafs) played like a bonehead -- I saw him personally screw up at least 2 good scoring opportunities, and then he got that *bonehead* 5-minute major high-sticking penalty.   Cullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury a hand-full of games ago and he played a good game.  If the other players on his line can smarten up, that line should do okay.  Clark's got to get tough -- he's got to intimidate and go for the net.  Send Clark up the left  wing over the blue line a couple times... his patented wrist shot will put some numbers on the board... and Pearson... heck, maybe he should be benched.   I hate to repeat Grapes, but where the heck was Foligno?  Zezel can't do all the checking himself -- and get MacLlwain on the move... we  need some speed out there!  Keep Potvin in net, he did okay  considering... although (like I said a couple weeks ago) Potvin  messed up in a couple games in the AHL playoffs last year -- he can  easily do it again.   My prediction last week was Toronto in 7 -- that the games DET wins  will be blow-outs and the game TOR wins will be close -- I still stand by that.   Don't fret, Leafs fans, in order to win in 7, the other team has to win 3! :-)   Burns is going to make some magic -- he'll mix up some lines.  Match the Wings line-per-line.  He'll have his team checking hard, and he'll never let them get out-numbered in their own end.  The Leafs will win Wednesday night... and will take 1 or their home games (probably the first one).
In article <1993Apr20.194441.23595@julian.uwo.ca> lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: > >In article <C5spEC.EuC@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes: > >>Kevin L. Stamber >>Purdue University >>...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews. > > >Woops!  This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf!  Hope you check the >newsgroup header next time before posting! > >Steve  	If the Leaf's play like they did in game one they're going to need these!  Watching that game _really_ hurt!    					Cheers! 						i. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |  ingo@sunee.uwaterloo.ca                   | The more violent the body     | |  iwweigel@descartes.uwaterloo.ca           | contact of the sports you     |  |  ingo@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca      | watch, the lower your class.  | |  iwweigele@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca |         -- Paul Fussell       |
In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't >care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball >doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, >that is).  MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba.  They just have to defect first.    Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed.
In article <116084@bu.edu> icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: > >	I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance Antonio,you weren't alone.  ABC ratings were very good. I was schocked to hear that ABC's telecast was the fifth most watched sporting event over the weekend. National rating came out to a very respectable 3.3. Top-29 Nielsen markets were at 2.9. In Boston,the game scored lower at 2.4 but it had some competion from local sports teams. Quite frankly, I expected ABC's ratings to be under 2.0. But I'm happy to be proven wrong!  Well,well...Sometimes it pays off clicking away on your cable-tv remote control.:-) And if you happen to be a hockey fan,you could just stumble upon a playoff hockey game...  ESPN picked up Detroit-Toronto game on Monday night because the only night game in MLB was being rained out in Chicago. You have to give ESPN credit for switching to Detroit's FOX-50 coverage and having Bill Clement at a Pittsburgh's TV station(WATE?) for intermission analysis. Maybe,ESPN people were giddy over perliminary over-night ABC ratings for Sunday's telecast and thought it was a good idea to feature the Norris division showdown rather than a monster truck competion. Good move,ESPN!
jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since > the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball > game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.  Not in Indiana:  they showed a tape-delay of Chicago v Boston, because WGN had the rainout of the cubs.  So WGN showed reruns of Hitchcock. No hockey (at least in this part of the state).  Go Aeros!
Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage?  When I flipped to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even.  My question is:  Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the  ABC coverage for its own?   	comment:  	CBC had a great chance for some double headers:  Toronto/Detroit and Vancouver/Winnipeg, but today they said that the East gets the Leafs and the West get the Vancouver game.  I thought that they would show them both.