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In article <39898@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes: >In article <benali.737307554@alcor> benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: >>It looks like Ben Baz's mind and heart are also blind, not only his eyes. >>I used to respect him, today I lost the minimal amount of respect that >>I struggled to keep for him. >>To All Muslim netters: This is the same guy who gave a "Fatwah" that >>Saudi Arabia can be used by the United Ststes to attack Iraq .  > >They were attacking the Iraqis to drive them out of Kuwait, >a country whose citizens have close blood and business ties >to Saudi citizens.  And me thinks if the US had not helped out >the Iraqis would have swallowed Saudi Arabia, too (or at  >least the eastern oilfields).  And no Muslim country was doing >much of anything to help liberate Kuwait and protect Saudi >Arabia; indeed, in some masses of citizens were demonstrating >in favor of that butcher Saddam (who killed lotsa Muslims), >just because he was killing, raping, and looting relatively >rich Muslims and also thumbing his nose at the West.  The whole "saddam is going to invade Saudi Arabia" was nothing but US State Department propeganda.  Saddam (and Iraq in general) never recognised the  British created Kuwait.  They were trying to recover land they believed was theirs, much like the Argentines in the Faulklands.  The Kuwaitis pushed just a little too far by taking Iraqi oil and Saddam thought he'd settle the dispute the old fashioned way... Everybody would have been much better off had they left the reunited Iraq together and concentrated on taking out Saddam.  A strong, united Iraq with an elected government would have gone a long way to ridding the world of the feudal dictatorships in the Gulf. But of course a weak divided Arab people better suits US foriegn policy...
the 'Center for Policy Research' writes...   > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS > >Hadashot, 14 March 1993: > >The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, >March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with >gun permits to carry them at all times "so as to contribute to >their security and that of their surroundings".      Considering all the murders of innocent Israelis at the hands      of Arab death merchants, I see nothing wrong with the advice.  >Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993: > >Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, >stated that he intends to demand that the police department make >it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills >[non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial.      As usual, the bias of the 'Center for Policy Research' echoes     through this newsgroup.  Here we have an enraged Likudnik who     is venting his spleen, and you portray it as if this is going     to become policy.  You don't say what the response to Matza's     suggestion was.  Do do not mention whether he was refering to     terrorists caught in the act, which could be a clear cut case     of self-defence.  Would you care to elaborate on this, or was     this all you wanted to say on the matter.  Why don't you give     up this 'Center for Policy Research' crap, and just post your       biases without trying to legitimize them with a pompous name?  >Ha'aretz, 16 March1993: > >Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern >Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza >strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security >measures in the Strip. > >The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents >as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the >presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects. > >In addition to the gates, which will be operated by a private >civilian company, large quantities of magnetic-card reading >devices are being brought to the inspection points, to facilitate >the reading of the magnetic cards these [non-Jewish] workers must >carry.      A laudable precaution.            Every single thing you post about Israel is posted to portray     Israel as negatively as you can.  Deliberate omissions are an     integral part of the shtick.  And it's not only the incidents     that you do not mention, but even the stories you do post are     fraught with omissions, which change the entire meaning.  The     absurdity of your respectable name cannot hide your bias.      In your effort to portray Israel in an unfavorable light, you      have accomplished nothing, except to prove that a respectable      sounding label like the Center for Policy Research is nothing      but a smoke screen for someone with a heavily biased attitude      against Israel and the need to vent it.  You
Michael Sells <m_sells@haverford.edu> writes:  >Subject: RE: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians >From: f54oguocha >Date: 13 MAY 93 02:28:53 GMT >In article <13MAY93.02285380@edison.usask.ca> , >f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca writes: >>In a previous article, josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) wrote: >>>  >>>Actually, just after the FIRST world war, many Muslims were killed by >Serbs. >>>Under Serbian-led regime between the two world wars, many Croats were >>>also killed (especially during the dictatorship introduced on Jan. 6, >1929). >>> >>Josip, >> >>please, don't be offended at this question: Who are the "Muslims" in the >>Bosnian context? i know that a moslem/muslim is a believer in Islam. >Islam  >>is a religion and it is practised in many parts of the world. But it is >not >>, yes definitely not, an ethinic group. ok! so, these Bosnian Muslims, >who >>are they? to which ethnic group do they belong? what language(s) do they >>speak? do they have a different language from that of the Serbs or >Croats?  >>the way the western press use the word 'muslim' in this Bosnian debacle >has  >>kept me wondering when the meaning of muslim/moslem i knew from >childhood was  >>changed in the dictionary. this is just a question. no flames intended! >> >>oguocha   >You've asked a crucial question that underlies much of the genocide.  >Bosnian Muslims are slavic in ethnicity. They speak Serbo-Croatian. But >there is a Christo-Slavic ideology whereby all true slavs are Christian >and anyone who converted to Islam thereby must have changed ethnicity by >changing religion.  See the poems of Ngegos or the novels of Ivo Andric >who brilliantly displays these attitudes on the part of what he calls >"the people" (i.e. Christian slavs). For this reason, the war-criminals >call all the Bosnian Muslims "Turks" even though they are not ethnically >Turk and do not speak Turkish as their first language.  For this reason, >what is actually a genocide labeled against those who are ethnically >identical but religiously "other" is called, paradoxically, "ethnic >cleansing" rather than "religious cleansing."  You are somewhat close to truth. But you shouldn't forget that nationality is a recent invention of the western europe. In the days of the Ottoman empire, the religion was the main point of difference between social classes. The Ottomans didn't recognize Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Serbs... Just christians, muslims, jews... So, for all the interested parties in the Ottoman society the bosnian muslims were "Turks". After all, there aren't many "real"  (ethnic) Turks living even in Turkey today. Even in Europe, it's the culture that defines the ethnicity and religion is part of one's culture.  >Thus, while a war rages between Serbs and Croats as a continuation of >WWII, and older agenda, the annihilation of Islam and Muslims from >Bosnian, is being carried out under the cover of the Serbo-Croat war.  Can you support this?
Frank Benson: >	Watch your language ASSHOLE!!!!  Another spelling flame?  Aren't you the guy who threatens people on talk.politics.guns?  2nd amendment yea, 1st amendment nay.
rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....") writes:  	   Now I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism    during the 1930's and 1940's.  The Hirgun, and other branch -    off militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of    Palestine.  Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of    terrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the    Arabs.  These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British    soldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in    favor of a compromise with the Palestinians.  The Irgun killed SOLDIERS,  which is a legitimate way to drive an unwanted fogriend regime from a country.  They didn't kill blindly their families or such (not as a policy,  I agree that brits which were not soldiers also were killed sometimes) nor they killed Arabs just for being Arabs.  In case I have to remind you the difference,  the majority of the attacks of the Arab terrorist organizations was on civilians.  They even tried to justify their attacks by saying that all Jews in the Israel served in the army at one point in time or another and therefore are legitimate targets.     In addition, they    massacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing    to the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their    very lives.  Yes, these exceptions were tragic mistakes.  I wasn't there and don't have reffereces handy but from what I heard your description is a bit carried away, most of the vilagers fled with several dozens,  most of them claimed to be fighters being killed.  Those "massaceres" are far from being the rule considering that dozens if not hounders of Arab vilages came under Israeli rule during the same time period.  	   I mention this not because I'm anti semitic [I'm part    Jewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the    Israelites pisses me off so.  I'm not as critical of the    Palestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the    Jews.  It 's a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for    German and European anti semitism.  What do you mean "screwed over by the Jews"?  They began the '47 war and didn't accept the arrgenment planned by the U.N.,  what did you expect the Jews to do??  				   Pissed off at Immature, 			     Closeminded, Self righteous 				   Semites                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Arabs are also Semites.
In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu. sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote:  [DD]  Problem 1 [DD] [DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the  [DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed  [DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the  [DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army.  [DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the  [DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army.  [DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to  [DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers  [DD] there were before the massacre.  [Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760  Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri  soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate the area of Armenians!  [Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After [Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.  Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in       this seventh century story!  Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915.  Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there       were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and       Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon        either!  Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case!
From article <1993May12.111030@IASTATE.EDU>, by jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan): >> >> Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, >                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of >>  >  >  > I dont think you're correct here. There have been no reports of the Bosnians > Muslims supporting the Nazis in their genocide against the Serbians. The  > fact is that the Croat govt. using their secret police (called the Ustache,  > I think) were the prime agents of the Nazis in Yugoslavia against the Serbs. >   > --Javed.   	First of all, this is NOT a strife; this is a massacre of innocent 	Moslem poeples by the Christian West.  	Since Ottoman lost the control of Balkans, many tens and hundereds 	of millions of Muslem peoples (Turks, Albanians, Bosnians, and others)  	have been tortured, raped, massacred, and driven out of their homes 	by the Cristians of both the region and Europe. Some lucky ones  	escaped to relative safety in Turkiye. The remaining others are being  	finished now by local Christians, the USA, and the rest of Europe.  	The Christian West is maintaining a tight arms ambargo on the Muslem 	peoples of Bosnia so they cannot deffend themslves while letting  	Christian Serbs and Croats torture, rape, and massacre the innocent  	Moslem peoples of Bosnia.
From Israeline 4/16  Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car Bomb Explosion   Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the blast suffered light to moderate injuries.    The Arab that was killed was a probably from the Mossad so it is not count  as a murder.   Naftaly   -----
So why not condemn the Mufti for his Nazi leanings, and condemn all his supporters, while also condemning the similarly genocidal killing of innocents, Muslim or not, in Bosnoia-Herzegovina? Hatred and bigotry remain just that, no matter who practices them.
<FINAID2@auvm.american.edu> writes:  >                  Mr. Tamamidis:  >Before repling your claims, I suggest you be kind to individuals >who are trying to make some points abouts human rights, discriminations, >and unequal treatment of Turkish minority in GREECE.I want the World >know how bad you treat these people. You will deny anything I say but >It does not make any difrence because I will write things that I saw with >my eyes.You prove yourself prejudice by saying free insurance, school >etc. Do you Greeks only give these things to Turkish minority or >everybody has rights to get them.Your words even discriminate >these people. You think that you are giving big favor to these >people by giving these thing that in reality they get nothing.   No. I do not thing we are doing them a favor.  I have simply stated that  they are not treated as a second class citizens. That was my point.  I fail to see how my words show discrimination. And what do you mean that  they do not get nothing? Is, for example, helth insurance, food, and tuition  nothing?  >If you do not know unhuman practices that are being conducted >by the Government of the Greece, I suggest that you investigate >to see the facts. Then, we can discuss about the most basic >human rights like fredom of religion, fredom of press of Turkish >minority, ethnic cleansing of all Turks in Greece,fredom of >right to have property without government intervention, >fredom of right to vote to choose your community leaders, >how Greek Government encourages people to destroy >religious places, houses, farms, schools for Turkish minority then >forcing them to go to turkey without anything with them.   I'm sorry, but I cannot see any logical order in the above argument.  >Before I conclude my writing, let me point out how Greeks are >treated in Turkey. We do not consider them Greek minority, instead >we consider a part of our society.   What part exactly is this one? The people cannot even sell their property  if they want to leave Turkey.  The patriarch could not get a permision to  renovate some buildings for decades; it needed a special agreement between  the two goverments for this. Talk about a part of the society? Why has the  size of the Greek community reduced to 1,500 old people and priests then?  >There is no difference among people in Turkey.   Yeah, you bet.  >All big businesses >belong to Greeks in Turkey and we are proud to have them.unlike the >Greece which tries to destroy Turkish minority, We encourage all >minorities in Turkey to be a part of Turkish society.   You are far off from the reality.  >Aykut Atalay Atakan
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: conf:mideast.levant   Rights of children violated by the State of Israel (selected articles of the IV Geneva Convention of 1949) ------------------------------------------------------------- Article 31:  No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised against protected persons, in particular to obtain information from them or from third parties.  Article 32:  The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishment (...) but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents.  Article 33:  No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.  Article 34:  Taking of hostages is prohibited.  Article 49:  Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.  Article 50:  The  Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions devoted to the care and education of children.  Article 53:  Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.
In the following report: _Turkey Eyes Regional Role_ ANKARA, Turkey (AP) April 27, 1993, we find in the last paragraph:  [Turanist] Although Premier Suleyman Demirel criticized Ozal's often [Turanist] brash calls for more Turkish influence, he also has spoken [Turanist] of a swath of Turkic peoples "stretching from the Adriatic [Turanist] Sea to the Great Wall of China."  Who does Demirel think he is fooling? It seems at both ends of his envisioned  pan-Turkic Empire -- the Balkans and the Caucasus -- Turkey's fascist boasts are being pre-empted.  I would suggest Turkey let the world feel some of their "Grey Wolf Teeth", and attempt to stretch from the Adriatic to China! Turkey will have cried "wolf" just once too much!
In article <1993Apr27.202905.9409@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: >	A few things about the University.   Why? There is no need to go into this.......  >It is more fun than some may >admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked >one of Playboy's top party schools.   especially this rivetting piece of information.  >But we do study and more >importantly learn a lot. The overall UVa drug use is actually >lower than the average college in the U.S.  >	There is no hate law on the books even though they (The >forces of PC) tried to have one last year( by the way a similar >law at the University of Wisconsin ? was found unconstitutional >last year).   As I remember, someone did ask if UV had a speach code. But, really, there is no need for this brief survey course.   >There is a law against relationship of professors with their students  >or advisees that just passed. >  >	Thomas Jefferson was the sole author of the Virginia >statute for religious freedom(the basis for the first ten >amendments), though he is not given full credit for righting >the bill of rights. So someone who picked on me for that is >right.  >	By the way, we're the man in everything. Sports >academics and partying.   How wonderful for you.  >I'm sure a lot of other schools are >good at what they do as well, so don't start mailing me junk. >I'm happy where I am and maybe I'll go to one of y'alls medical >schools in a couple of years.
In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:  >I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance >attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven >as part of their plan!  	Ok, I'll admit it.  I can't find a quote with my meager online resources.  but i did find this little gem:  	``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in 	this part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch 	of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the 	occupied homeland is liberated...'' 	--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79  	So, Ahmed is right.  There was nothing about driving Jews into the sea, just a bit of "ethnic cleansing," and a river of blood.  	Is this an improvement?  Adam   Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:  ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?  >  Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just >  told you, "Zionism is Racism."  This is a tautological statement.  I think you are confusing "tautological" with "false and misleading."
In article <93133.155403YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes: >So why not condemn the Mufti for his Nazi leanings, and condemn all his >supporters, while also condemning the similarly genocidal killing of >innocents, Muslim or not, in Bosnoia-Herzegovina? Hatred and bigotry >remain just that, no matter who practices them.  Indeed Yaqouv, just like the ugly hatred spread by Kahane and Kahanists, right?   Or they are exempt from condemnation, and allowed to hate?  I know you'll answer me indirectly, it doesn't bother me a bit. Keep it up.  Steel (who's never pissed off).
In article <1993Apr14.224726.15612@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Jake Livni writes >> Sam Zbib writes  [all deleted...]  Sam Zbib's posting is so confused and nonsensical as not to warrant a reasoned response.  We're getting used to this, too.