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In article <benali.735836579@alcor>, benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: |>  |> Of course you never read Arab media,  I don't, though when I was in Israel I did make a point of listening to JTV news, as well as Monte Carlo Radio.  In the United States, I generally read the NYT, and occasionally, a mainstream Israeli newpaper.  |> I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough) |> and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say |> that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course |> you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either |> a -9 or -10, American leading  newspapers and TV news range from -6 |> to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis) |> The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer |> to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British |> range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range |> from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from |> 0 to -5 (Egyptian)  to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to |> overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since  |> they are doing nothing.  What you may not be taking into account is that the JP is no longer representative of the mainstream in Israel.  It was purchased a few years ago and in the battle for control, most of the liberal and left-wing reporters walked out.  The new owner stated in the past, more than once, that the JP's task should be geared towards explaining and promoting Israel's position, more than attacking the gov't (Likud at the time).  The paper that I would recommend reading, being middle stream and factual is "Ha-Aretz" - or at least this was the case two years ago.  |> the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9, |> while that of the average American would be the same if they do |> not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and |> -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers.  And what about the "Nat'l Enquirer"? 8^) But seriously, if one were to read some of the leftist newspapers one could arrive at other conclusions.  The information you received was highly selective and extrapolating from it is a bad move.
In article <1993Apr26.021105.25642@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: |> This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say |> for sure that no Beduins were "moved" or harmed in any way. On the |> contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them |> now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are |> quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are |> good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. |>  |> All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's |> poster, I have to say. |>  |> -Danny Keren. |>   It is nonsense, Danny, if you can refute it with proof. If you are citing your experience then you should have been there in the 1940's (the article is comparing the condition then with that now).  Otherwise, it is you who is trying to change the facts.
In article <1993Apr29.021345.22510@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> barrak@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Mohammed F. Hadi) writes: >In article <benali.735954392@alcor> benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: >> >>	ISLAMABAD (UPI) -- Representatives from 51 Islamic nations were >> >>considering Tuesday a request from Bosnia-Herzegovina for $260 million >> >>and weapons to fight the Bosnian Serbs.  All right! Let's hope they get off their rear ends and do something because the UN clearly is content to sit on its.
Yedi'ot Ahronot, April 9, 1993.  Excerpt.  EACH ONE AND HIS OWN NEVO*  (* A reference to General Azri'el Nevo, Shamir's Military Secretary.  Irrelevant to this excerpt.)  By Nahum Barne'a  . . .  In mid '91 SHABAK found itself in the center of another storm [...].  A year and a half earlier, Khaled Sheikh Ali, 27, a member of the Islamic Jihad, died at the SHABAK installation in Gaza prison.  The two SHABAK interrogators who were responsible for his death were put on trial. In September '91 the Supreme Court rejected their appeal and sentenced them to 6 months in prison.  As far as is known, this was the first time in Israel's history that SHABAK operatives were sent to prison.  The Supreme Court unanimously rejected the warning by the director of SHABAK that the sentence will be detrimental the effectiveness of other interrogators. [...] The judges in the case were [...] Barak, Goldberg, and Matza.  When they realized that they were on their own, the interrogators agreed to talk.  Deputy State Attorney Rachel Sukkar[sp?] was placed in charge of investigating the affair.  She [...] questioned the directors of all SHABAK divisions.  She investigated only the matter of the death in Gaza prison.  She discovered that not only torture, but also "the culture of lies", which Judge Landau had described in his report of two years before, were still very much in existence.  Nothing had changed.  The report was classified and was seen by only some ten people, among them the Prime Minister, the people at the top of the judicial system and Judge Landau.  The director of SHABAK claimed that he did not know.  After all, they were dealing only with a single jail and with low ranking people.  The system bit the bullet and accepted the explanation.  One of SHABAK's high-ranking officials was transfered from his very high position to a less high position.  . . .  ["The culture of lies" referred to above is the SHABAK interrogators' policy of lying in court when denying detainees claims that they were tortured in the course of interrogation.  The Landau commission sought to correct this problem by legalizing a list of torture methods -- thus eliminating the fear that a detainee might be released if those methods were used to extract a confession.  The fact that the need to lie still persists would seem to indicate that SHABAK is not sticking to the "approved" torture methods. -- Yigal]
hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:  >Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using >civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country?  So, it's okay to use civilians for cover if you're attacking soldiers in your country.  (Of course, many of those attacking claim that they aren't Lebanese, so it's not their country.)  Got it.  I think.  Hmm.  This is confusing.  Could you perhaps repeat your rules explaining exactly when it is permissible to use civilians as shields?  Also please explain under what conditions it is permissible for soldiers to defend themselves. Also please explain the particular rules that make it okay for terrorists to launch missiles from Lebanon against Israeli civilians, but not okay for the Israelis to try to defend themselves against those missiles.
Yesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline by the documentary consortia.  It is called "Memory of the camps" and shows some "un-censored" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen and other death camps.    I recommend it to everybody.  Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast. IT IS A MUST SEE documentary.       In the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary on Monday 01:30 am. You can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271.  The cost is $59.95.
My recollection of History/Documentary books is slitely different. It is my understanding that Croats were allies of Germany during WWII, while Serbs had sided with Russia.  As a result Serbs did take a beating from Croats (NOT Bosnian Moslems) while Germany had the upper hand.  Even today, Russians consider/call Serbs as their Slovac brothers. This is one of the issues involved in the U.N.'s lack of active intervention against Serbs.  As for the Bosnian Moslems, I have not heard of any alliance with Germany or Russia in recent history.  Therefore, I am curious if they did or were able to treat other parties in this conflict with same brutallity (as they are getting it today) in the past history.
Hey, I want my posts forwarded too.  I can't get my sysadmin to pay any attention to me.
farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:  >From:  Kayhan Havai # 1026 >-------------------------- >                          >    [...] > >o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that >  the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371 >  went below 2.7  I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or is it just noise?  > - Farzin Mokhtarian
In article <1993Apr18.162427.17712@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) writes: >tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >:  >: While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified >: policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to >: the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. >:  >: Tim > >Not a separate question Mr. Clock. It is deceiving to judge the  >resistance movement out of the context of the occupation. > >Alaa Zeineldine  When the PLO moved into Lebanon and became, in parts of Lebanon, an Occupying Power itself, these same practices were common against non-Palestinean and Palestinean alike.  They are simply Standard Operating Procedures among Palestineans and have been for a very long time.  In fact, the greatest bloodbath of Palestineans will happen when they get self-rule.  Can you possibly deny this?   When the PLO is the Occupier, who are you NOW going to blame?
>>In article <1stjjb$pep@transfer.stratus.com> khalid@bunce.hw.stratus.com (Khalid Chishti) writes: >>For those of you who are against US to commit ground troops, fine just lift the arms-embargo on BOTH >>sides (since we know that serbs always got the heavy weapons form federal army).  >> >>Wake up West!! and admit that you are the most uncivilized, the most hypocratic and the most violent >>bunch on this earth... >> >> >>-Khalid   >C. Akgun Writes: > >It is also so easy to blame the West for their indiffernce to >real Bosnian suffering.  How about the moslem world, about 1 billion? >How about them ha?  What they are doing to stop this >massacre?  Why the oil rich Arab states make the Bosnian crises  >a national interest of the West, especially for Europeans?  We all  >know they can do it over night, don't we? Blaming West and asking  >why they don't put their life into danger seems to be the choice of  >muslims too.  I think who is sleeping is not the West.  They are wide  >awake.  They are trying to save the face.     Please, read my post carefully, I am saying that lift the arms emargo and let the MUSLIMS defend themselves. The point is these Europians  "civilized countries" neither want to get intervene militarily themselves and nor they like to see the muslims of the world to help the oppressed. (Remember what happened almost one year ago when the so called UN discovered some riffles in an Iranian jet in Bosnia!). The west is not indifferent in this matter they are siding with Serbs by keeping this embargo on only muslim side (okay on-paper on both sides).   -Khalid
Peter Garfiel Freeman writes:   >>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, >>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) >> >>Peace. >>-marc   >Boy, you really are a stupid person.  Our justice department does >not sentence people to death.  That's up to state courts.  Again, >get a brain.   Peter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how well someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is  against death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not  justified.   Regards,
In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: >|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: >|>  >|>    Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? >|>    ------------------------------------ >|>  >|>    While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they >|>    repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and >|>    attempt to starve the Gazans. >|>  >|>    [...] >|>  >|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and >|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas >|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all >|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >|> these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal. >|>  >|> Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. >|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. >|>  >|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I >|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. >|>  >|> Harry. > >O.K., its my turn: > >       DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! > >I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed >to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their >plan !  This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net.  The statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.    It was not coined by B'nai B'rith or, for that matter, any Jewish organization.
In article <C6x81M.EJF@news.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes: >(mohamed.s.sadek) writes: >> >>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. >> >>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >>and calling that "moral rape". >> >>He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY" > >Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, >in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world >war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of >ethnic cleansing but just another chapter in the continuing saga >of intense mutual hatred, destruction,... Not taking sides in this >perpetual war does not amount to religious bigotry. It could just >be helplessness with regards to bringing peace to a region that does >not even know the meaning of the word. >          What a lie..!!??       Ask the victims of the Nazis.      Don't take the Bosnian muslims' word for it.      Ask the Holoucost survivors who helped them, you will hear that      the Bosnian muslims (among others) helped them.       I also do object to the term ethnic cleansing, since what is happening      in Bosnia is not ethnic cleansing, they all have the same ethnicity,      what is different is religion. they are Orthodox christians, Catholic       christians, and Muslims.       It's religious cleansing.       Also watching people being rounded up and slaughtered by the slitting of       the throat, raped collectively and systematically, driven out of their      homes by the millions (!!!!), tortured in concentration camps, maimed      and ..... does indeed amount to moral rape.       Nothing in the history justifies what's happening.  >Satya Prabhakar >--
In article <C5LxEw.9p0@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:  > Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to >speak out?   I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must  be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of  Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to  the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization.  All reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of  Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the  Ottoman Empire between 1914-1920.  It is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples.   And x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following  ways:  1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide in order to shift international public opinion away from its political responsibility.  2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism  Triangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the  veracity of the Turkish Genocide.  3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to  silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.  4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.  Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government  is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.  Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle  of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and  consequently a number of governments and organizations have become  supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.  Serdar Argic
In article <C5HIyr.327@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:  >Brad, You're a very sick son-of-a-bitch.  Wishing for someone's death, even if >they are your enemy, is very deranged.  I really have pity for you and those >like you.  Did you acquire this philosophy from Islam?  >>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) >Ed.  This is an interesting question to ponder.  Did Brad/Ali's sickness make Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion  that Brad/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness?
In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> >Subject: Unconventional peace proposal > > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >---------------------------------------------------------- by >			  Elias Davidsson >  >Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. > >1.      A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >and the other Palestinian-Arab. ... >5.      The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the      Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.  >Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND   --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Marc A Afifi (mafifi@eis.calstate.edu) wrote: > pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: >  >  > Peter, >  > I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing > to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by > yourself? >  > -marc  > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with > both eyes.  > My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. > ______________________________________________________________________________  An open letter to Marc Afifi   Dear Marc, 	I believe that you are wrong about Mr. Freeman.  He has written in a style that raises the level of posts on this board.  If you just don't seem to get it, I believe that it is more of a reflection of you and your abilities than of him.  His posts contain substance and and he defends his positions  well. 	Having said this, I would like to ask in general for people on this  board to realize that if they don't agree with the substance of posts, then they should respond to the substance (or lack of) of the posts rather than attack the author of the posts.  When one has to resort to attacking a poster rather than what he/she has written, one can see that that person does not have the ability to make a coherent argument concerning the post.  Peace,
In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >04/16/93 1045  ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES >   Ermenistan kasiniyor...  Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets into it	: Armenia is getting itchy.
Boy that was really humorous.  I'm impressed by your incredible senses of wit, sarcasm and propriety.  Mind if I post jokes about your mother?
Anas Omran writes in his earlier posting: > > >A high rank Israeli officer was killed during a clash whith a Hamas  ...and then his "fantasy" begins...  >Mujahid.  The terrorist Israelis chased and killed a young Mujahid >using anti-tank missiles.  The terrorist zionists cut the Mujahid's >body into small pieces to the extend that his body was not recognized. >At leat ten houses were destroyed by these atni-tank missiles. > > >--- >Anas Omran > > >  This clearly is a "fantastic" story, Anas!  I am very curious as to who (or what) your sources are for this grossly exaggerated account (if not, blatant lie).  It surprises me that this "story" has not yet made it to the front pages of the major newspapers (which love to make the State of Israel look as evil as humanly possible)!  Such a story would be "eaten up" by some of the papers over here.  So please explain to me why I have never seen nor heard of it before!  - Believe me, I'm not expecting a reply because we both know where the story came from... YOUR DREAMS!!!!
In article <khan0095.734814178@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: >One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist" >is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime >fundamentalists                                  ^^^^^^^muslim >but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. >I wonder what an equal definition would be.. >any takers..  	The American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to refer to both Christians and Jews.  Christian fundementalists are often refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests.  The American media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in Judea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.  Adam Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu