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In article <EGGERTJ.93May8143340@moses.ll.mit.edu>, eggertj@moses.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes: .... > And in article <C6Kn27.7FH@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes: >  > > I've read most of the history books dealing with this period, > > good and bad, and while it is possible that I missed one or two, > > none of those I've read documents any razing of mosques. So I > > think that this remarkable claim requires specific documentation. >  > Jake disrespectfully demands, and Adam requires specific documentation > of the razing of mosques in Jerusalem.  If either of them had been > reading t.p.m for a while, they would already have seen such > documentation.  For the forgetful or newcomers, however, here are the > references.  Thanks for posting the references. I do not normally read t.p.m., and I posted my request for references because Jim's article was cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish. Allegations of Jewish disrespect for the objects and buildings of other religions are one of antisemitic stereotypes that permeate western culture, and rumors of church and Host desacration probably caused more pogroms than blood libel. The stereotypes that pervade our culture create cognitive illusions that reify those stereotypes. Therefore any claim that appears to reify a stereotype should be treated by decent people with utmost suspicion until and unless documented. If such a claim is cross-posted to a news group in which it has not been documented before, such as s.c.j, a reference should be given the first time it appears.  Now that the claim has been documented, I regard the whole episode as disgusting and shameful. Especially so because the official who failed to provide proper temporary facilities for the evicted Jordanians was probably Jewish, and as a Jew I know that he should have known better.
Hossien Amehdi writes:   >In article <1993Apr15.160224.15940@unocal.com> stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: >>>Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen  >>>to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch  the channel ?    >I guess, I didn't make my point clear.  In the case of Israel government, it  >is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy.  After all, not many >people are intimidated just by talking.  Here how it goes: tough talks, >followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and >bragging about them.  >  Agressive actions are taken by both sides. Tough talk is done by both sides. When an arab leader is menacing to throw all jews in the water is also tough talk, I think. And killing people is mildly agressive (justified, in your opinion  if they are israeli soldiers, justified, in others' opinion if they are jews, not justified at all in others opinion).  When Brad wrote the article about 3 Israelis killed, ther was a lot of pride  and satisfaction in his lines. That's what I feel disgusting. We may agree  or not when a killing is 'technically' murder, but being enthousiastic about it?   And again, I may appreciate some of your points, but you are not objective. That is not a blame, just a remark.
In article <1pol62INNa5u@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> kvdoel@cs.ubc.ca (Kees van den Doel) writes:  >>See, you are a pathological liar.  >You got a crack in your record I think.   This is the point we seem to disagree about. Not a chance.  >I keep seeing that line over and over.  That's pathetic, even for  >Serdar Argic!  Well, "Arromdian" of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle is a compulsive liar. Now try dealing with the rest of what I wrote.  U.S. Ambassador Bristol:  Source: "U.S. Library of Congress:" 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence Container #34.   "While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the   pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages   against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying   their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus   have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to    govern or handle other races under their power."  A Kurdish scholar:  Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.   "When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster    of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular    Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of    these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer.   These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more   than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in    the eastern vilayets of Turkey."   Serdar Argic
From article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com>, by amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi): > In article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >> >>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? >> >>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery  >>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >>civilians wouldn't get killed.  Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >>in a military bunker.   >> >>Ed. >  > Who is the you Arabs here.  Since you are replying to my article you > are assuming that I am an Arab.  Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you > are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said.  The > bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is > very consistent with its policy of intimidation.  That is the only > policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in > the middle east! >  > I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. > Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet > I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.  Tell me then, would you also fight the Syrians in Lebanon?  Oh, no of course not. They would be your brothers and you would tell that you invited them.
dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes:  Gannon, why don't you tell the readers of these newsgroups how you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles claiming non-Whites are inferior?  # THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE  The Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don't expect this fact to deter "Maynard".  BTW, Gannon's ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing museums and collections, some of which served to educate the public about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such collection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these around:  Letter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Brandt, November 2 1942 ["Trial of the Major War Criminals", p. 520] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Comarade Brandt,  As you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything needed for his research work. For certain anthropological researches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on them - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz.   However, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his research:  Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration Camp ["The Natzweiler Trial", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89] -------------------------------------------------------------------- ... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners (60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in Strasbourg.
In article <5897@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.182402.11676@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:  >>Perhaps, though one can argue about whether or not the current >>Palestinian delegation represents the PLO (I would hope it does not, as >>the PLO really doesn't have that kind of legitimacy).  >Does it matter to you, Naftaly, Adam, and others, that Arafat >advises the delegation and that the PLO, overall, supports it?  Does >it also matter that Arafat, on behalf of the PLO, recognizes Israel >and its right to exist?  Further, does Israel's new policy concerning >direct negotiations with the PLO hold any substance to the situation >as a whole?  No, he does not.  Arafat explicitly *denies* this claim.   from a Libyan televison interview with Yasser Arafat 7-19-1991 Q: Some people say that the Palestinian revolution has many times changed    its strategies and tactics, something which has left its imprint on the    Palestinian problem and on the Palestinian Liberation Front.  The    [strategies and tactics] have not been clear.  The question is, is the    direction of the Palestinian problem clear?  The Palestinian leadership    has stopped, or at least this is what has been said in the media, this    happened on the way to the dialogue with the United States, the PLO    recognized something called "Israel"...  A: No, no, no!  We do not recognize the State of Israel.  We said    "recognition" -- when a Palestinian state is established.  It will then    decide if to recognize Israel or not.  When it is established, its    parliament will convene and decide.  >policies which it can justify through occupation.  Because of this, >you have the grassroot movements that reject Israel's authority and >disregard for human rights; and, if Israel was serious about peace, it >would abandon these policies.  	And replace them with what?  If Israel is to withdraw its control of any territory, there must be two prerequsites.  One is that it leads to a reduction in deaths.  The second is that it should not weaken Israels bargianing position with respect to peace talks.  	Leaving Gaza unilateraly is a bad idea because it encourages arabs to think they can get what they want by killing Jews.  The only way Israel should pull out of Gaza is at the end of negotiations. These negotiations should lead to a mutually agreeable solution with security guarantees for both sides.  	Until arabs are ready to sit down at the table and talk again, they should not expect, or recieve more concessions.   Adam     Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
I said:   In article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:   >   >  Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement   >  there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or   >  (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia.   Non-whites   >  don't count?    Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are   "oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don't count.  ...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it gets.
In article <2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:  |> In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: |> >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in |> >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering |> >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is |> >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. |>  |> Since one is also unlikely to get "the truth" from either Arab or  |> Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to "understand", to learn?  |> Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way  |> to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's "political |> agenda", whether it is "on" or "against" our *side*. |>  |> Tim   To Andi,  I have to disagree with you about the value of Israeli news sources. If you want to know about events in Palestine it makes more sense to get the news directly from the source. EVERY news source is inherently biased to some extent and for various reasons, both intentional and otherwise. However,  the more sources relied upon the easier it is to see the "truth" and to discern  the bias.   Go read or listen to some Israeli media. You will learn more news and more opinion about Israel and Palestine by doing so. Then you can form your own opinions and hopefully they will be more informed even if your views don't  change.
Turkish Genocide Apology in revision <9304261646@zuma.UUCP> posted via its servile dolt sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) wrote:  [fool] Thanks to those who joined millions of Turkish and Kurdish people  [fool] on April 23, 1993 when they remembered, mourned and prayed for 2.5  [fool] million Muslim people who were ruthlessly exterminated by the fascist  [fool] x-Soviet Armenian Government between 1914 and 1920.  I tend to doubt this for there was no ex-Soviet Armenian government between 1914 and 1920! Revisionist, liar, AND fool!
In article <benali.737302463@alcor> benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: >clarinews@clarinet.com (BAHAA ELKOUSSY) writes: > >When it comes to Egypt, all human rights, ethics, principles can >be ignored by the western media. I wonder why? Are you pretending not knowing it? Here is why: "Those who are not obedient to we West must be evil!".
I am trying to follow the current conflict in former Yugoslavia. One thing I cannot figure out is where do the Serbs and Croats get their weapons, etc? Don't they run out of them?
Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight  (Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel. He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus.  The talk is sponsored by the Berkeley Israel Action Committee (IAC).
clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:  This is a very impotant update, I will omit just a few lines, and add some "overhead" for the sake of the copyright :-)  I say despite all the bad news for Muslims around the world, things are shaping up very well, a lot of killings might happen in the near future, though (as if Bosnia is not a lot). Right now, I feel like saying what Martillo said : "the stage is set". I don't think that things will be the same in ten year,  On the pessimistic/realistic side, we can only see the stage set for more wars imposed on our people, and governments being remote controlled. to fight each other and to oppress their own people, but I am confident they will all fall: I venture to list the order: Sudan/Yemen alliance, Algeria/Libya in 5 years, Tunisia one year later but Egypt may face direct colonization very soon to prevent an Islamic government which might take over after Egypt attacks  SUdan and is envolved in atrocities there as it fails to achieve victory.  Meanwhile Saudia faces a civil war and goes to war  with Yemen/Sudan over it,  The new North African  Alliance (Algeria/Tun/Libya) goes to war with Morocco who attacks it. U.S/France involved everywhere but cannot concentrate on one place,  especially that Syria/Jordan/Iraq have to be kept under control.  After the cloud clears, I do not know what the end result will be,  O.K back to reality:   	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- The Cairo-based Arab Organization for Human  Rights (AOHR) Sunday called on King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to order the  release of members of the kingdom's first human rights group.
In article <1sn5f5INNkh6@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic) writes:  >>I really disagree with you. That beacon of genocide apology is a  >>self-admitted/exposed compulsive liar and a mouthpiece for the >>criminal/Nazi Armenians of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism  >>Triangle.   >  I just love these "eloquent" one liners.   You are not sticking to the original question. Imagine what it would be like if you were human...impossible you say?  >>It could be your head wasn't screwed on just right, 'Clock'. During   >  This is an old one.  You said that to me once. :-)  Is that not the crux of my argument? Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Lack of intelligence?  >>Need I go on?  >  Actually, I would like to get a compilation of these one liners,  >so that I could print them out and show them to my friends over the  >summer, and they can see what kind of clowns exist out there in Chicago.  Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920,  the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated  in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin?  1) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of Van.[1,2,3,4,5] 2) Armenians did slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis.[1,2,3,4] 3) Armenians did slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum.[1,2,3,4] 4) Armenians did slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir.[1,2,3,4] 5) Armenians did slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz.[1,2,3,4] 6) Armenians did slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas.[1,2,3,4] 7) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of the x-Soviet    Armenia.[1,2,3,4] 8)....  [1] McCarthy, J., "Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman                     Anatolia and the End of the Empire," New York                     University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144.  [2] Karpat, K., "Ottoman Population," The University of Wisconsin Press,                  1985.  [3] Hovannisian, R. G., "Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.                           University of California Press (Berkeley and                           Los Angeles), 1967, pp. 13, 37.  [4] Shaw, S. J., 'On Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies                    in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey                    (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of                    Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)." (London, Cambridge University                    Press 1977). pp. 315-316.  [5] "Gochnak" (Armenian newspaper published in the United States), May 24,                1915.   Source: Jorge Blanco Villalta, 'Ataturk,' TKK, 1979, pg. 234.       "They [Armenians] did not refrain from giving in to their racial   hatred and committing acts of cruelty and massacres against the  Moslem population, which were encouraged by the 'Tashnak' party,  mortal enemies of Turkey."   Serdar Argic
Mr. Freeman:  Please find something more constructive to do with your time rather than engaging in fantasy..... Not that I have a particular affinty to Arafat or anything.  John
hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:  [ ... Mr. Mamaysky's proposal to forbid "any action which serves to promote a       morally incorrect action" omitted for brevity ...]  I prefer the freedom granted in the first amendment of the US Constitution to an arbitrary definition of "universal morality." Steve P.S.  I can elaborate in e-mail if this isn't clear P.P.S.  I'm very sorry about misspelling your name
I really don't know how you can possibly maintain this hypocritical stance.  On the one hand, you imply that there is a conspiracy of Arab-Americans that warrants the illegal gathering of information on them (ie. auto license/ registration information in California) and other forms of "monitoring", including blatant attempts by paid ADL agents to discredit an American-Arab  organization by trying to distribute Nazi propaganda.  Furthermore, you attempt to rationalize this through crude stereotyping by pointing  to the WTC bombing, in which Arab-Americans had no involvement.  On the other hand, you publish this excerpt, which seems to rail against notions of a racial (Jewish, in this case) conspiracy and stereotypes.  If you really aren't the hypocrite you appear to be, please explain  yourself.
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:    Geez, I think some of these people have been too long on the net, you are not going to convince anyone of anything through violent language, one wonders why so many have violent tounges...      >I don't know but I think he has a point. All I did was ask a >lousy question and everyone started calling me names. It's all >gotten out of hand. They start associating me with Mengel and >yassir arafat (Whom by the way I think is an idiot). Gosh guys >lighten up and try to at least pretend to be reasonable. I >still don't understand what has been so antisemitic about the >stuff I posted. I think you guys are just looking to get >offended and in that sense need to get a life.
Pete-- That was uncalled for. I'm sure Andi Beyer or whatever his name is was a product of his environment before he came to school, and is enjoying the mantle of THE UNIVERSITY to make his viewpoint seem legitimate (well-reasoned). I'm at Virginia, too, and I think  maligning UVA is in poor taste, even if Beyer did slip in here.
cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:  |>(Tim Clock) writes: |>>(Amos Shapira) writes: |>>>(Anas Omran) writes: |> |>>>Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral |>>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? |> | |There are many cases, but I do not remeber names.  The Isralis shot and killed |a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada.  That doesn't answer my question:  Can you give a proof that it is an official policy of any Israeli government to kill "neutral observers" or UN personel or others like them?  I wasn't sure that your original statement was wrong and was prepared to recieve proofs that you are right  (since I don't follow the events closely). Your last response made me pretty damn sure that at least YOU can't give such a proof,  and you made your original statement without much ground to put it on.  |I believe that most of the world has seen pictures of Israeli soldiers who |were breaking the cameras of the reporters, kicking reporters out, |confiscating |cassettes, and showing reporters militery orders preventing them from going |to hot areas to pick pictures and make reports.  Even if it's true (and in this case I'd take it without asking you to prove it) it is still far from killing reporters.  Also whenever that happened I'll bet it happened as individual actions by certain soldiers and not as a policy of the government  (e.g. see the Hawara case where a colonel was sentenced for giving orders to kick Arabs,  as far as I remember).  Bye,
In article <dfs.737042723@dax> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:  >When I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, our guide told >us the story of that mosque - not sure if it was true. > >Apparently, it was built by a Jewish convert to Islam.  He had >had a dispute with his neighbours, and built the mosque "davka" to >annoy them.  It's a cute story, but not sure if it's true...  If he gives you the same story explaining the presence of several synagogues in the "Moslem Quarter", then the story becomes suspect...  In reality, the Old City was not as neighborhooded in the past as it became after 1948.  In pre-Israel Jerusalem, there were many Jews in what is now called the Moslem Quarter.  There are postal and telephone directories from that time to prove it.  It's really rather interesting to hear Arabs there claim that a house or store has been in the family for centuries even when there are clear photos and documents that show a Jewish-owned business at the same location just a few decades ago.