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Is there any judgement call on the part of the scorer for sac fly RBI's? This is the situation that brought the question up:  The Red Sox were up in the bottom of the 9th by a score of 5-1.  The Mariners had the bases loaded with 1 out.  The batter hits a fly to center, which the fielder catches.  The runner at third tags and scores without a throw.    Now, without a judgement call (and I don't think there is one), this is an RBI for the batter.  It seems to me that a better name for this would be "defensive indifference", since it doesn't really matter whether the guy at third scores at that point.  (I know, I can think of several "If the Mariners stole third and second, which opening the base would allow, and then the batter hit a grounder which the third baseman gets deep in the hole between himself and third, he wouldn't have a play at home, third, or second for the out, and maybe he therefore can't make the throw to first to get the last out, etc... scenarios, too.  But does it _really_ matter if this guy scores this way when you're down by 4?  If the tying run is going to score, so is the guy on third.)  The point is that the batter (IMO) shouldn't get "credit" (an RBI) for utterly failing to do his job - which at this point is to get a hit or a walk, not trade an out for one run.  What do you guys think?
Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA Today? Any reason given for this?  Also, I just noticed something looking at the Nolan Ryan timeline in the preview. On 8/22/89, Rickey Henderson became Nolan's 5000th strikeout. On 6/11/90 he pitched his 6th no-hitter against Oakland. I believe the last out in the game was made by Rickey Henderson. And on 5/1/91, Nolan pitched his 7th no-hitter on the same day a certain someone stole his 939th base, which overshadowed it. It seems that Nolan is having a lot of publicity at Rickey's expense. IMO, Rickey deserves it, and it seems as most of the net agrees with me from what I've seen on it lately. They are both great players, but IMO, Nolan has outclassed Rickey, both in playing and more importantly, in attitude. Just my thoughts.
Who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team? Who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the Rangers? (Hint: Nolan Ryan isn't either)  What two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams?  Who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or  more career bases for the same team?  No fair peeking at your baseball stats....
Last night, Boston Red Sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating Seattle 5-2.  Roger Clemson pitch not so dominate.  He walked at least 6 man in first 6 inns.  But Valetin and Greenwell hit homeruns and Red Sox prevail.
Does anyone know if the Dick Estelle who does the Radio Reader on NPR is one in the same with the lefty who pitched briefly for the Jints in '64 & '65?  Just curious.  --->Paul, spending too much time reading the baseball encyclopedia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------            We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length    paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511
I thought that Walt Weiss was jewish.  I seem to recall this was mentioned once while he was still at Oakland.  Also, I have my suspicions about Esther Canseco (nee Haddad).
In article <1993Apr20.181245.11319@VFL.Paramax.COM> davidm@gvls2.vfl.paramax.com (David Madden) writes:     Another pair of suggestions:    1. Remove the Balk rule.  It is the runners responsibility to stay "safe"       no matter what the pitcher does.     2. If a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than X time (X = 3 to 5)       without successfully picking off the runner, the runner advances a base       as if walked.  This last suggestion will probably increase the number of stolen bases considerably.  Suppose the pitcher uses up (N-1) of his N pick-off attempts.  The runner can probably stretch his lead off the base, given that there will be extra pressure on the pitcher to get it right this time.  Would this suggestion apply to pick-off attempts per pitch, per batter, or per base runner (on the same base)?   -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Edward J. Baranoski            MIT Lincoln Laboratory             "It's got to be the going, Rm. J-118D, PO Box 73                 not the getting there that's good" Lexington, MA 02143                        --Harry Chapin, from "Greyhound" (617)981-0480
In article <2943640103.10.p00421@psilink.com> "Dennis G Parslow" <p00421@psilink.com> writes: >>FROM:   Dan Campbell <dan_c@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> >>In article <1993Apr11.025636.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: >>>In article <Apr.10.09.33.33.1993.28038@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:  >>>> here's the hard working black players - none. >>>> here's the lazy white players. - mcreynolds.  >>>Now that time has passed, what would the posts be like if Rickey were driving >>>his boat drunk, killing himself and one of his teammates?  What would people >>>say if Bonds, drunk out of his skull, smashed his car into a tree disabling >>>himself &, say, Willie McGee for the season?  I can tell you.  They would be >>>considered spoiled, lazy (say it) niggers.    >>	This awfully presumptious of you, to assume you can read our minds and >>predict the future.  What makes you so sure I would be thinking these things? >>What makes you think that there's not a lot of people out there don't think >>Crews is a god?  Anyone who is dead because of a mistake deserves sympathy, be >>it Crews, Olin, Bonds, McGee, Rickey, or you, or me.Why does it bother you so  >>much that two dead white men are getting a little sympathy? Would it make you  >>feel better if we only mourned dead black baseball players?  >To beat a dead horse, I seem to remember a fair amount of sympathy for  >some black fringe player named Roberto Clemente.  And for Roy  >Campanella.  And for Thurman Munson.  And for just about anyone else  >who we may not even have liked as players, but mourned for dying too young.  Wiggins, Alan?  But that's besides the point.  I'm sure people would feel slightly sympathetic for Rickey if he were killed.  But, they would also be criticizing him a lot more for his actions.  Example?    How about Jose Canseco?  He gets a couple of speeding tickets, and all of the sudden his attitude is awful.  What the hell do speeding tickets have to do with clubhouse influence anyway?  So why do sportswriters talk about it all the time.  Or Brian Hunter and Keith Mitchell?  Both of whom had DWI problems towards the end of last year.  (Two years ago?)  It was cited as a sign of their immaturity, etc.    Meanwhile, Dykstra almost killed both himself and Daulton, and I didn't read any sportswriter complaining about that.  They may have talked about how bad it was for the Phillies, but I NEVER read anywhere criticism of Dykstra's character (or Daulton's intelligence, for that matter) based on this incident.
In article <C51uC6.BL1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) writes: |>  |> 	I totally agree with each point you made.  Jose Viscaino looked |> like a single A hitter up there.  Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux  |> pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball |> all  |> day.  I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing.  |> Watching |> the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about |> what |> the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does.  Harry said it best when he |> stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til |> Sandberg returns!  I tell you, Steve Stone is like a prophet. He must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because I can't understand why he's not actually back in the game itself.  The other day he called Sosa's homerun against the Sox and claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the score was 8-3 in the 5th.  So yesterday he notices that Sosa's ahead in the count against Maddux and says, "This is a fastball situation and Sosa will be looking for it.  But this is also the spot where Maddux throws the straight change."   Sure enough. Sosa gets ahead on it and pops it up to the infield.  Stoney for Cubs manager!
woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes: >In article <9460@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >>Of course, this is *not* the same as claiming (as some do) that Galarraga's >>inability to defer gratification isn't hurting his team because he "isn't >>paid to walk" or "is an RBI guy" or whatever. >Alright, that's enough. I've suffered with all kinds of insults (as >typical for the net), but give me a break. Galarraga is currently >batting over .400 and you guys are complaining that he isn't drawing >enough walks.  What would he have to do to please you guys, bat 1.000? >You can hardly claim that he is "hurting his team".  It would help if his OBP were higher than his batting average. Yes, the April 12 USA Today lists Le Grand Chapeau as having a .422 batting average and a .413 OBP. That's on 19-for-45 hitting with 0 (zip, nil, nada) walks. The reason a lot of us are down on Galarraga is that he's has a long history of showing that this is nowhere near his real level of ability (except for drawing walks). If he hit .400 for, say, even 250 AB's I'd be convinced that there was a real change in his ability. If he did it with an OBP<AVG, I'd not only be amazed but I'd make a bet that that would be a unique feat in the history of the game. But what do 45 AB's prove? Look at some of the other fluke players at this point in the season:   Player    AVG AB   Blauser  .367 49   Grace    .391 48   Milligan .400 35   Conine   .375 40   Lansing  .400 50   Slaught  .406 32 Are any of these guys really that good? Well, in a word, no. How significant is Galarraga's average? At the 45 AB level, a hit is worth about .020. If he'd had one of those hits called an error and one taken away by a good defensive play, he'd be in the .380 range. If he goes 0-for-4 in his next game he's all the way down to .388. In one game. Come back in June. Let's talk then.  >If it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches >and he starts making lots of outs (as someone speculated might happen), >*THEN* I would agree with you that he isn't taking enough pitches. My comment >that "he isn't paid to walk" doesn't mean that he should have a license >to swing at bad pitches and make outs; it's more along the lines of: he's >batting .400 and leading the league in RBI's so what bloody difference >does it make if he isn't drawing  a lot of walks? Sheesh.  It's history, Greg. Andres' history is that he doesn't walk much because he swings at bad pitches, so his average isn't very good. 45 AB's doesn't mean an awful lot compared to a history of a couple of thousand, especially when there's ample evidence (0 BB in 1992) that his basic hitting approach hasn't changed. Yeah, he might suddenly have turned into a .400 hitter who never walks, but don't bet the rent money on it.   Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
<RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:  >In article <mssC5qrrz.91H@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) says: >> >>In article <93108.165218RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>      : >>writes >>> >>>so you want to decrease players' salaries? >>> >>>so you want to increase owners' salaries? >>> >>>the two are equivalent. >>> >>>bob vesterman. >>> >> >>Only if you insist that the ticket prices cannot be adjusted downward. >>Or the taxes for the revenues to build the ballparks.  Or the parking >>charges.  Or the concession costs.  Etc. >>  >1) why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get >   lots of people to pay the price they're asking?  >2) even assuming that you have some strange power to make the owners >   decrease ticket prices, that does not decrease the tv contract.  >bob vesterman.
In article <80416@apple.apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) wrote: >  > mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) writes: >  >  >  > >"When the Giants protected Mike Benjamin (career average .160) ovre pitcher > >Pat Rapp, there were surprised looks in the Bay Area >  > >Benjamin's stats: .333/.364/.571, 42 ab, 14 H, 4 doubles, 2 dingers. >  > >And Rapp's even been sent down to AAA.  So it's even *better* than that, > >eh? >  > Of course, the protected list was done by the OLD regime, not the new, so > this is Rosen's baby, not Quinn's. >  > And I'll tell you what. Let's look at this again at the end of the season, > and, say in three years, and see who the genius is. One of the more > braindead decisions by the OldGiants, IMHO. Even if Benjamin DOES improve > markedly over the past (and his hitting is better) he's never going to be > more than a utility/backup IF. Rapp might turn into a top-flight arm in > another year.  I think the next time I post something like this, I obviously need to make the sarcasm a bit more obvious...   chuck
In article <1993Apr20.230501.28364@ncar.ucar.edu> woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:  >Alright, that's enough. I've suffered with all kinds of insults (as >typical for the net), but give me a break. Galarraga is currently >batting over .400 and you guys are complaining that he isn't drawing >enough walks.  What would he have to do to please you guys, bat 1.000? >You can hardly claim that he is "hurting his team".  Fine, are you willing to bet that he will bat .400 the rest of the way?  The point is that he has hurt the Rockies so far; it's that he *will* hurt them, eventually.  Just as much as he hurt the Expos and the Cardinals the past couple seasons.  >If it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches >and he starts making lots of outs (as someone speculated might happen), >*THEN* I would agree with you that he isn't taking enough pitches. My comment  It has happened for the past 3+ seasons; where have you been?  >that "he isn't paid to walk" doesn't mean that he should have a license >to swing at bad pitches and make outs; it's more along the lines of: he's >batting .400 and leading the league in RBI's so what bloody difference >does it make if he isn't drawing  a lot of walks? Sheesh.  We'll see come September.  (I have an outstanding bet with someone that Galarraga's OBP will be less than .300 on June 1.)
Ted Frank's list of underpaid players was this: > >p, Juan Guzman, 500 >p, Mussina,	400 >p, Castillo,    250 >p, Eldred,      175 >p, Rhodes,	155 >p, Militello,   118 >rp, Rojas,	300 >rp, Beck,	250 >rp, Melendez,   235 >rp, Hernandez,	185 >rp, Nied,	150 >c, Rodriguez,	275 >c, Piazza,      126 >1b, Thomas,	900 >1b, Bagwell,    655 >2b, Knoblauch,	500 >2b, Barberie,	190 >3b, Gomez,	312.5 >3b, Palmer,	250 >ss, Listach,	350 >ss, Pena,	170 >lf, Gonzalez,	525 >cf, Lankford,	290 >rf, R.Sanders,	275 >of, Plantier,	245  What do all of these players have in common?  They do not qualify for  arbitration.  They were never free agents.  It's called the reserve clause.  Look it up.  And a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way  overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb.  Humbug.
ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about  those sort of things.  but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty  funny things in his "shooting from the lip" columns...
Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the BB DDD this year. I expect the Phillies staff, while getting the wins, would have to rank up there. Luis Gonzalez and Derrick May are among the early league leaders, and all 6 of their bombs have come at the Phils' expense. Neither of them have exactly been know for their tater prowess in the past.   How have the Rockies been early? I know Mile High has produced a ton of  runs, but is it the launching pad everyone expected yet?   A concerned fan of the BB DDD,
In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: >    What position does Mike Lansing play?  I cannot seem to find it  >  anywhere.  Thanks!!!!1  Currently, he's all over.  He played 2nd when Deshields was out.  He was shifted to third when Delino came back.  And today, he played SS for a cold Wil Cordero.    His natural positions seem to be in the middle infield, but they will seemingly find a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot.
In article <1993Apr12.130652.22090@sei.cmu.edu> wp@sei.cmu.edu (William Pollak) writes: [Deletions] > >Spanky isn't very good defensively anymore, he's an offensive liability, and, >judging from his outburst this winter after the Bucs failed to sign Drabek, >he's a jerk with his head in the sand. Tommy Prince, on the other hand, can't >hit. In the paper, Simmons was citing the case of Tom Pagnozzi, who never hit >in the minors or majors, but suddenly somehow learned how.   Geez, Dal must have slipped something into Ted's drink sometime.  Comparing Prince to Pagnozzi offensively is laughable.  Prince has never hit well in the minors and he's now 27 years old, I think.  Pagnozzi was not a bad hitter in the minors.  (I'll bring in the numbers tomorrow assuming I don't have another brain cramp and forget.)  He had a very good year at Louisville  before coming up to the majors.  As I recall, the hype on Pagnozzi coming up in the organization was good hit, decent fielding.  When he got to the  majors and didn't hit as well as expected (not as much playing time?), he  became Exhibit 312 in Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense and got the reputation  as an outstanding defensive catcher.  It's not clear he ever learned to hit.  His four years with more than 100 AB--  Born 31 July 1962 Year     AB      BA     SLG     OBA   1988    195    .282    .320    .328 1990    220    .277    .373    .321 1991    459    .264    .351    .317 1992    485    .249    .359    .290   No power, less-than-league-average walks, peak year when he turned 28,  now declining.  If Ted is going to invoke Pagnozzi as a model for Prince, given that Prince has underperformed Pagnozzi in the minors, it's not a rosy picture.  BTW, I'm still unhappy with moving Zeile, who had the same reputation  coming up in the Cardinal organization as Pagnozzi, except that he was a much, much better hitter, to 3rd where he could be an average hitter and a below average fielder instead of a well-above average hitter as an average (or below average) fielding catcher.  Harold
Would the person who is running the e-mail list for KANSAS CITY Royals please e-mail details regarding mailing list. If you on the list and know the info please send me info as well.  Please e-mail as I don't have time always to read this group  John
In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu> sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan   Sepinwall) writes:
In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu   (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael   Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: > > > >     Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie   of   > >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years,   Why   > >bother. >  > I'd be willing to make two wagers: > 1) Snow doesn't win ROY. > 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. >
In article <4200416@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield?  He's been playing horrible defense. Baylor said after Wednesday's game that he wanted to shake up the lineup a little, because Bichette has been having a rough time defensively and Jerald Clark has not been hitting. He was true to his word; I went to Thursday's game and Gerald Young was in right and Daryl Boston (who has a very hot bat) was in left. Baylor was careful to say though that he didn't necessarily mean for these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two a shot while Clark and Bichette were not playing well.  In defense of Bichette, it looks like right field in Mile High Stadium is a bitch to play. Some of the visiting outfielders have been having some problems too (although Bobby Bonilla made a great catch crashing into the wall to rob Daryl Boston of an extra base hit in Thursday's game)
In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >As for rushing...  If there really is a qualitative difference between the >minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't >believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good >season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent >season?  The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to >use.  Can anybody name a player who was 'rushed' to the majors (let's, for argument's sake, define "rushed" as brought up to the majors for more than a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing?  I'm serious; I tend to agree with David that bringing the player up sooner is better, but I'd like to look at players for whom this theory didn't work, if there are any.  I'd prefer players within the last 10 years or so, because then I can look up their minor league stats.  (It's important to distinguish between players who legitimately had careers below what their minor league numbers would have projected, as opposed to players who were hyped and failed, but actually had careers not out of line with their minor league numbers).    Let's kick it off with an example of a player who was "rushed", although there doesn't seem to have been any damage to his career.  Jay Bell was given 135 PAs in the major leagues at age 21, and performed well below what you would expect from his AAA numbers the same season.  He got 236 PAs the next year at age 22, and still underperformed.  However, the next year, at age 24, his performance improved, and he won the everyday shortstop job, and has been there ever since.  It's really hard for me to see where he would have been better off staying in the minor league (where he was performed quite well in AAA) during this time, rather than being "rushed"; Cleveland might have been better off, I suppose, because they might have been less likely to give up on him.  Yes, if you bring a player up early, he's likely going to struggle.  But does that delay the time at which he stops struggling, and starts performing up to expectations?
randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:   >The Royals are darkness.  They are the void of our time. >When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front >from Canada.   They are a humiliation to all who have lived and >all who shall ever live.   They are utterly and completely >doomed.  >Other than that, I guess they're OK.  You must not be old enough to remember the A's in KC!