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In article <SMITH.93Apr21183049@minerva.harvard.edu> Steven Smith writes: >dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: >>     THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE >> >>                         by Theodore J. O'Keefe >> >> [Holocaust revisionism] >>  >> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical >> Review.  Educated at Harvard University . . . > >According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to >graduate.  You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated >anywhere.  (forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post) isn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured in canada a few years back?
In article <2703@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: >In article <1se68nINNfo2@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: >>In article <2681@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au>, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:  >>> There are Arabs in cabinet but look how long it took and to what >>> insignificant positions they are assigned! And this is based solely >>> on race not political belief or security as Jewish members of the >>> same party have always been welcome just not their fellow Arabs.  >>First of all, the arab standing in any party, or as any party, is solely >>dependent upon the amount of political power they can wield effectively.  >It is not a question of an individuals standing. When a party puts up >an Arab for a Cabinet post and that Arab is rejected but the position >is given to a Jew from the same party we are not talking about power >but racism.   	Not necessarily.  As Shai points out, political appointments are based on power.  They are also based on favors owed, coalition building, and deal making.  While this may have a racist element to it, I think that its much more fair to attribute it to the "old boy" nature of politics.  Now, I'll freely admit that the old boy system has racist and sexist effects, but I don't think that those are its purpose, whether in the US, Israel, or elsewhere.  >>In the past, they have not been effective at garnering votes and forming >>a single bloc in the knesset.  On the few occasions when this was done, >>some of the parties took stands that were extremist, and ineffect precluded >>themselves from forming a coalition and participating in the cabinet.  >Not their party - them as *individuals*. Even when they belong to nice >peaceful Zionist mainstream parties they are not welcome. Arabs are >excluded on ficitious security grounds which are just an excuse. It >sure looks like racism to me.  	Here again, you miss out on the old boy nature of politics, and the existance of back-room deals.  As individuals, these arabs may not be as well connected as the Jew who gets the job.  I don't like this aspect of politics, but I understand it exists.  Adam   Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
In <2BEC0A64.21705@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)  wrote: #  # In article <EGGERTJ.93May8143340@moses.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@ll.mit.edu writes: # >In article <C6M7JG.3J1@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: # >>   I am not aware of any such incidents.   # > # >And in article <C6Kn27.7FH@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes: # > # >> I've read most of the history books dealing with this period, # >> good and bad, and while it is possible that I missed one or two, # >> none of those I've read documents any razing of mosques. So I # >> think that this remarkable claim requires specific documentation. # > # >For the forgetful newcomers, here are the references. # > # >The reference I based my posting on originally is the book "The West # >Bank Story", by Rafik Halabi (New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich # >1982.  Original title: Die Westbank Story).  # > # >Quoting from The West Bank Story, pages 35-36: # >"On the night of June 10, an Israeli officer marched from door to door # >through the Moghrabi Quarter [of East Jerusalem] giving the residents # >three hours' notice to evacuate their homes.  # > # >... [The participants in a # >July 24, 1967 meeting of a group of Arab relgious and political # >figures] protested the immodest dress of Israelis visiting the mosques # >and the destruction of two mosques in the Moghrabi Quarter adjacent to # >the Western Wall." #  # This issue has been going on for a while and your presentation here of # just one reference probably won't resolve this issue to those that # oppose your insistence that mosques *were* destroyed. Even in your # location of this one reference, you spend most of your quote dealing # with an incidence that, while abhorrant, has nothing to do with the  # issue at hand here. Then, at the end of the quote, there is an almost # off-hand comment that "two mosques" were destroyed.    Tim, you're missing the big sleight-of-hand here.  I can accept every   word quoted from Halabi and still have ZERO evidence of any mosques   being razed.  Note that what Halabi refers to is not that mosques   were razed but that people PROTESTED alleged razing.  Too well we   know that this is a common demagogic tactic (or has anyone forgotten   the Temple Mount riots, when the Moslem crowd was led to believe   that the Israeli Guards were there to cover for the TMF instead of   stop them?)
>because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the >Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation. > > >Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the >negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf >they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. >  > >Phill Hallam-Baker   Oh, why do you expose your ignorance?  The US has been running on debt for  the past four generations and has still financed what it pleases.  And after the Gulf War, Israel could do whatever it wanted after not decimating Iraq after the Scud attacks.  It was encouraged, but by no means forced, to negotiate.  Mr. Baker, to address all of your points would be impossible, but in a  nutshell, it is hypocritical for you to attack Israel's presence in Lebanon without attacking Syria.  Syrian occupation has been hostile, and amounts to annexation.  Israel's is clearly defensive.  If it  were not defensive, you would see all of Lebanon occupied, and governed by Israel.  But that is not what Israel wants.
In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes: >From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>: >> What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum?  It is the home of the muslim a >> s well as jewish religion, among others.  Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza >> k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the >>  way Abdul Nidal does today.  Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref >> ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. > > >There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this >respect. > >Israel allows freedom of religion. > >Avi. >. >. Avi,    For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is no compulsion in religion.  Does Judaism permit freedom of religion (i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism).  Just wondering.
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but since the majority of the contributors (and may be even readers) of this newsgroup seem to be muslims, christians and jews, my question could be of some  interest to any of them.         It's my impression that both Islam and Christianity pay great respect to an obscure 1st century jewish lad from Judea/Galilee. Why  they chose this particular jew among all possible jews is a mystery to me (personally, I prefer Woody Allen - his stories are much juicier) - but perhaps it's an accident of history.         Anyway, it seems that they may be talking about two different jews. According to the New Testament his father's name was Joseph, while in Qur'an he appears as Zachariah.           Who's right and why the name difference? I'm really curious.                 David.
In article <1993Apr5.194120.7010@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:  >In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)  >writes:  >David Davidian says: Armenians have nothing to lose! They lack food, fuel, and >warmth. If you fascists in Turkey want to show your teeth, good for you! Turkey >has everything to lose! You can yell and scream like barking dogs along the   Davidian, who are fascists? Armenians in Azerbaijan are killing Azeri  people, invading Azeri soil and they are not fascists, because they  lack food ha? Strange explanation. There is no excuse for this situation.  Herkesi fasist diye damgala sonra, kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca, "ac kaldilar da, yiyecekleri yok amcasi, bu seferlik affedin" de. Yurrruuu,  yuru de plaka numarani alalim......
In article <1483500378@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> (in real life, Elias DAvidson) quotes  >Israel Shahak  A nutcase quoting a crackpot.  Next time, post this to rec.humor, or perhaps alt.conspiracy.
In article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:  >My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am >not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians  Troglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level. The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in  their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and  independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged  in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed  genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia  and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and  fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry  during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,  rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the  Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians  engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal  they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million  Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.  And, you don't pull nations out of a hat.   Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."         New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.  This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust:   a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most  respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional  Republic in Berlin during World War II;   b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social  theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members  of the Aryan 'Super-Race;'   c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves  with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and,   d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side  by side with the Wehrmacht.   Serdar Argic
anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:  >In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>of those files. >>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?  >ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry.  Perhaps you can answer >the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >in California (and elsewhere??)?  Friendly rivalry perhaps?  Come on!  Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war  against Israel.  That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations.  That is the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals only a few years ago.    >Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter?  >Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic  >minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.  All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti- Israel activity or propoganda.  The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise.  >>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?  >Paranoia?  No, that is why World Trade Center bombings don't happen in Israel (aside from the fact that there is no world trade center) and why people like Zein Isa ( Palestinian whose American group planned to bow up the Israeli Embassy and  "kill many Jews.") are caught.  As Mordechai Levy of the JDL said, Paranoid Jews live longer.  >>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an >>   additional information should he send them ?  >The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already  >have them.  They probably do.
This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say for sure that no Beduins were "moved" or harmed in any way. On the contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population.  All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's poster, I have to say.
In article <1993May24.165636.29928@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes: >In article <C7FpAL.Eu9@world.std.com> tti@world.std.com (Joachim Martillo) writes: > >>To be fair, traditional Jewish and Christian thinking is actually >>quite similar to Islamic thinking on these issues.  Modern civilized >>Westerners should strive for the complete neutralization of all >>Abrahamic relition. >> >>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami > >Sieg Heil! Heil Ajami!, or do you prefer Heil Martillo! or Heil Santos! or Heil Carlo! or Heil Joachim!<- This I would suggest against, it sounds too informal, mein fuhrer!
>In article <1993Apr27.011549.7010@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali writes:  >[HAMID] Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been  >[HAMID] killed by Israel  during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?  Not sure.  But the number of Israelis killed defending Israel is a little more than 17,000 in the last 45 years and 61,000 injured.  You must try to make a mockery out of everything, don't you?  Pathetic.
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).  (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5   million Muslim people)   p. 133 (first paragraph)  "In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who  had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians  abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of  these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the  brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,  mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method  employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after  crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."   Serdar Argic
In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >of those files. >So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?  ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry.  Perhaps you can answer the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members in California (and elsewhere??)?  Friendly rivalry perhaps?  Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter?  Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic  minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on.  >2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?  Paranoia?  >3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an >   additional information should he send them ?  The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already  have them.  > > >Gideon Ehrlich
In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: >In <C4xKBx.53F@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? > >That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. > >Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who >greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily >rounds?
It seems that Egypt is only interested in fighting wars against its own people, while objecting to any steps for Bosnia.. I am not surprised, WHo said that Mubarak represents Egypt (Hell he does not even represent all the criminals of Egypt)  clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL) writes:  >	ISLAMABAD (UPI) -- Representatives from 51 Islamic nations were >considering Tuesday a request from Bosnia-Herzegovina for $260 million >and weapons to fight the Bosnian Serbs. .... >	The only commitment so far is $20 million from Saudi Arabia, which  Thanks Saudia for the pocket change. Compare that to the "Liberation of Q8" and to what they gave to some weird causes.. O.K at least they are paying.  >has already donated $100 million to Bosnia-Herzegovina. >	Sources on the political committee said delegates were in agreement >on the need to help the Bosnian Muslims, but the request for weapons had >delayed a decision. >	``It may interpreted as violating the United Nations' embargo on >supplying arms to Bosnia,'' warned Egyptian Foreign Minister Amer >Moussa.  Mr. Amr Moussa was not worried about International law when he tortured to death  many of his citizens and when he shot people praying in a Mosque, or when he is causing trouble to his neighbor just becasue the CIA says so. Why doesn't he just shut up, he won't be involved in any Bosnian effort anyway, or does the west have to be represented even in an Islamic conference?  The more I hear about the Egyptian regime, the more I understand the existence of the "Jamaa Islamiyah" there. After all most of its members and leaders are former and current victims of government torture, injustice, or relatives of victims. In some other places they get psychiatric care AND revenge in the COURTS. But all they got is more of the same resulting  in a  cycle of madness that is initiated by the government with the illicit support  of the west who is more concerned about the safety of half naked tourists in conservative neighborhoods than the dignity, social justice, and safety of the majority of the poor oppressed people of Egypt. Enough said.
In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum?  It is the home of the muslim a >s well as jewish religion, among others.    What gives the US the right to keep New York?  It is the home of the United Nations as well as being home to a myriad of ethnic groups.  (Actually, NYC is more comparable to the Gaza Strip; the controlling authority would probably be pleased as punch to unload it on someone else -- but no-one seems to want it!  :-)  >Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitzak Shamir did forty or fifty >years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way Abdul Nidal  >does today.  Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so therefore  >they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.  A-historical bullshit.  Shamir fought the British (who, incidentally, shipped whole shiploads of Jews back to the Nazis for extermination and hung those Jewish fighters that they captured and didn't want to deal with anymore).  Shamir did not attack civilians on airliners, cruise ships, in airports, sports events, movie theaters, markets, on buses and children in schoolyards.  Your comparison to a Master Murderer like Abu Nidal is BLIND!
>From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) >Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast >Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis >Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:55:47 GMT >Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) > > >   Although I realize that principle is not one of your strongest >points, I would still like to know why do do not ask any question >of this sort about the Arab countries. > >   If you want to continue this think tank charade of yours, your >fixation on Israel must stop.  You might have to start asking the >same sort of questions of Arab countries as well.  You realize it >would not work, as the Arab countries' treatment of Jews over the >last several decades is so bad that your fixation on Israel would >begin to look like the biased attack that it is. > >   Everyone in this group recognizes that your stupid 'Center for >Policy Research' is nothing more than a fancy name for some bigot >who hates Israel. > >   Why don't you try being honest about your hatred of Israel?  I >have heard that your family once lived in Israel, but the members >of your family could not cut the competition there.  Is this true >about your family?  Is this true about you?  Is this actually not >about Israel, but is really a personal vendetta?  Why are you not >the least bit objective about Israel?  Do you think that the name >of your phony-baloney center hides your bias in the least?  Get a >clue, Mr. Davidsson.  Haven't you realized yet that when you post >such stupidity in this group, you are going to incur answers from >people who are armed with the truth?  Haven't you realized that a >piece of selective data here and a piece there does not make up a >truth?  Haven't you realized that you are in over your head?  The >people who read this group are not as stupid as you would hope or >need them to be.  This is not the place for such pseudo-analysis. >You will be continually ripped to shreds, until you start to show >some regard for objectivity.  Or you can continue to show what an >anti-Israel zealot you are, trying to disguise your bias behind a >pompous name like the 'Center for Policy Research.'  You ought to >know that you are a laughing stock, your 'Center' is considered a >joke, and until you either go away, or make at least some attempt >to be objective, you will have a place of honor among the clowns, >bigots, and idiots of Usenet.  I couldn't have said it better, Mark!
In article <1993Apr20.131336@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes: |> > In article <C5qu5H.1IF@news.iastate.edu>, oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)  OY] Henrik (?), OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus.   	Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ...  OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references OY] on the issue.  Just send me EMail for that.    	You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES !  NOT ! 	I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I 	needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need 	your help. Boy, how generous !!  OY] Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you, OY] assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may  OY] not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more OY] easily.  !:-)  	Believe me, I am so relaxed ...  henrik]     However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane  henrik]     to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one  [OY] 	No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that.  	  IF Armenia is goint to do that, then so be it.    henrik]         that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane henrik]         (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.  OY] Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid OY] inspection???