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clarinews@clarinet.com (J.T. NGUYEN) writes:  >	UNITED NATIONS (UPI) -- The Muslim-dominated government in Bosnia- >Herzegovina asked the U.N. Security Council Tuesday to withdraw all U.N. >personnel from Bosnian territory as a first step toward lifting the >international arms embargo against the former Yugoslav republic. >	The Bosnian government, saying the presence of U.N. personnel had >become ``an impediment to critical decisions by the international >community,'' indicated the withdrawal of the peacekeepers and relief >workers would persuade Western governments to lift the arms embargo so >Muslims could defend themselves against Bosnian Serbs.  >	The Security Council imposed the arms embargo on the whole of the >former Yugoslavia in 1991 when fighting erupted between Serb  The imposed it knowing that Serbia has a stockpile of weapons, and that Bosnia will have next to nothing to defend itself. Many experts predicted a Massacre as early as March, 1992, but the Security Coucil knew what it was doing.  ....... >	France and Britain have opposed U.S. proposals for military air >strikes against Bosnian Serbs, saying such strong action would lead to >retaliation against their troops and personnel. .... >	The Bosnian move Tuesday was in part a bid to undermine the British >and French opposition to military intervention based on fears for the >safety of European peacekeeping troops and humanitarian personnel. .... >	Silajdzic's ambassador to the United Nations, Mohamed Sacirbey, who >conveyed the letter to the Security Council members, told reporters that >the peacekeepers' mandate should be modified or they should withdraw. ... >	He said if the Security Council refuses to accede to the request, his >government will take ``another step.'' He did not elaborate on what >other steps the government might take. .. >	In his letter to the council, Silajdzic said President Clinton >understood well the Muslims' ``commitment and desperate plight'' because >the United States has been seeking support for lifting of the arms >embargo. >	Silajdzic said the international community has not realized that the >war in Bosnia-Herzegovina was a ``war of fascist aggression'' and the >maintenance of the arms embargo was an ``act of arrogant indifference to >the fate of hundreds of thousands of loyal Bosnian citizens, who plead >only for the right to defend themselves.'' >	``We beseech the Security Council to cease an arms embargo that has, >in practice, constituted an international intervention against our >legitimate rights as a member of the United Nations,'' Silajdzic said.
m.z.magil writes:  >It surprises me that this "story" has not yet made it to >the front pages of the major newspapers (which love to make the State of >Israel look as evil as humanly possible)!  Such a story would be "eaten up" >by some of the papers over here.  So please explain to me why I have never >seen nor heard of it before!  - Believe me, I'm not expecting a reply because >we both know where the story came from... YOUR DREAMS!!!!  i would like to remind my jewish colleague mzm that much of the stories of the holocaust (including the ones in the u.s. holocaust memorial museum) were *not* eaten up by some of the papers.  we just have to wait to build muesums for it..
Anas Omran writes in his earlier posting:  [ANAS] A high rank Israeli officer was killed during a clash whith a Hamas [ANAS] Mujahid.  The terrorist Israelis chased and killed a young Mujahid [ANAS] using anti-tank missiles.  The terrorist zionists cut the Mujahid's [ANAS] body into small pieces to the extend that his body was not recognized. [ANAS] At leat ten houses were destroyed by these atni-tank missiles.  If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a "Hamas Mujahid" with an anti-tank missile then I'm almost sure that the "terrorist zionists" would not have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile.  Stop polluting the net with you fantasies.  Tsiel
Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated
The honest answer to your question about Arabs who were expelled from Jaffa, and/or who fled Jaffa, or anywhere else in Israel, having the right to return is:  Yes, unfortunately, they have the right to return.  They may apply for citizenship like any other non-Israeli and then go to >Jaffa and try to buy their house back from the Jews who now own it.    	And now a question and answer for you:  Can the Jews who were born and raised in Hebron, or their descendants go back to THEIR homes in Hebron?  The answer is: absolutely NOT, because they were almost all murdered by their Arab neighbors - the "palestinians".  	Now, do I think the Arabs should be allowed to even visit "their" homes in Jaffa?  Hell, no.  Bring back the Jews of Hebron, Petah Tikva, Jerusalem, Safed, etc. Then, perhaps I would be in favor of Arabs returning to their Jaffa homes.  However, seeing as no Arab has yet been able to bring people back from the dead, I'd say that's out.  With all the hope in the world,  Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
In article <C751nD.L92@inviso.com> robbiew@inviso.com (Robbie Westmoreland) writes:  >Answer: Don't ask.  Don't even think about it.  Just put this line into your >global kill file:  Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920,  the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated  in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin?  Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at the  hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only the killing of  innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian Armenia.  They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of Ottoman  Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines genocide  as acting with a     'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a     national, ethnic, racial or religious group.'   History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate  the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the  Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including  U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy  as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of  the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the  extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor  those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians.   The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established, beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian  territories.  The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed. The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian  Government.  The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri, Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.  Source: "Bristol Papers", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol          to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.  "I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in   the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly   defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder  the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."  Serdar Argic
hm@cs.brown.edu  writes: > In article <1993Apr26.234331.7303@Virginia.EDU> rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....") writes: >  >    This is such Bullshit.  Deir Yassin was an unprovoked attack on >    the part of the Jews, and a massacre defines it best in my >    opinion.  The village of Deir Yassin had had a pact with the >    Jews, a peace pact, but the Irgun purposely broke this >    agreement in order to scare off the Palestinians.  I might >    grant that this village housed armed Arabs [I doubt it] but >    nothing in the archives and available literature indicates that >    this was a motivating force amongst the Irgun.  The Deir Yassin >    MASSACRE was part of an over all strategy to intimidate the >    Palestinians to flee the Jewish Homeland.,...and contrary to >    your belief, many civilians were killed.  Deir Yassin was later >    advertized by the very Jews who perpetrated it because it was >    useful in getting many Palestinians to leave.  The Palestinians >    were rightfully scared off, because they did not want another >    Deir Yassin.   > 	   I'm not necessarily condemning the Israelites here; >    atrocities were aslo committed on the part of the Arabs. >    Israelophiles should just be careful in thinking that they are >    and were the good guys in the middle east.  Both Arab and Jew >    suck equally. >  > rj3s, you say that there is no evidence that what motivated the Irgun > to attack Dir Yassin was its strategic importance. In fact, Begin, > who was in charge of the Irgun, wrote that Dir Yassin was attacked for > its military significance. >  > Dir Yassin was merely a battle in the War of Liberation. People died. > But the thing was never intended to be a masacre. That this hapenned > is a tragedy of war - not a crime of the Irgun. >  > Harry. >  >  I agree with you Harry, however you must also concede then that Arab terrorism is also a tragedy of war.  remember that the Palestinians have no other effective target but civilians in order to further their cause.  If Irgun had to attack civilian targets to terrorize in order that they might obtain some objective, I'm sure they would have done so.  I also don't exclude Irgun's action against British soldiers as terrorism. The British were showing signs of favoring a compromise with regards to Palestine, and the Irgun and branch off groups made a point to kill young British recruits so that mothers and fathers back in Britain would get angry at Britains continued presence in Palestine.  Sounds like a form of terrorism to me, and not much removed from Arab terrorism.  We must not also forget that Irgun, or Irgun branch off groups [more likely] killed many jews who were not as hardline zionist as they, or who cooperated with the British.   	I'll reiterate again.... both sides are screwy, but I'll favor the underdog in this case because I do think they were a bit screwed.
narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain) writes:  >Mark Ira Kaufman writes >>    ... ... ... >>    A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of >>    400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State >>    of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive >>    treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.  >Never mind the fact that these people were denied the right to a fair trial.   >And Israel was supposed to uphold "Western values", eh?  >>    ... ... ...     >>    I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any >>    compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so >>    basic to both Christianity and Islam.    Your doubts are unsubstantiated, have some faith in us..    >Check your facts before bashing Islam again. While there may be Muslim   >anti-semites, this is no way a tenet of the religion. Saying anti-semitism is    Yes I agree..  Lets say I call my self a XXX.  I go and shoot your family  in cold blood.  Does that mean that XXX is responsible? No.  I am. People tend to associate others with color/creed/etc.. it is a form of racism.    >"basic" to Islam is implicating the entire Muslim world, based on a selective   >sampling of a few people, and it flies in the face of what Islam teaches.  >Peace. >--  > /  *  \   Nizam Arain                           \ What makes the universe >||     ||  (217) 384-4671                        / so hard to comprehend  >| \___/ |  Internet: narain@uiuc.edu             \ is that there is nothing > \_____/   NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu  / to compare it with.
There have been a number of articles on the PBS frontline program about Iranian bomb. Here is my $0.02 on this and related subjects.  One is curious to know the real reasons behind this and related public relations campaign about Iran in recent months. These include:  1) Attempts to implicate Iran in the bombing of the New York Trade    Center. Despite great efforts in this direction they have not    succeeded in this. They, however, have indirectly created    the impression that Iran is behind the rise of fundamentalist    Islamic movements and thus are indirectly implicated in this matter.  2) Public statements by the Secretary of State Christoffer and    other official sources regarding Iran being a terrorist and    outlaw state.  3) And finally the recent broadcast of the Frontline program. I     suspect that this PR campaign against Iran will continue and    perhaps intensify.  Why this increased pressure on Iran? A number of factors may have been behind this. These include:  1) The rise of Islamic movements in North-Africa and radical    Hamas movement in the Israeli occupied territories. This    movement is basically anti-western and is not necessarily    fueled by Iran. The cause for accelerated pace of this     movement is probably the Gulf War which sought to return    colonial Shieks and Amirs to their throne in the name of    democracy and freedom. Also, the obvious support of Algerian    military coup against the democratically elected Algerian    Islamic Front which clearly exposed the democracy myth.    A further cause of this may be the daily broadcast of the news    on the slaughter of Bosnian Moslems.  2) Possible future implications of this movement in Saudi Arabia    and other US client states and endangerment of the cheap oil    sources from this region.  3) A need to create an enemy as an excuse for huge defense    expenditures. This has become necessary after the demise of    Soveit Union.  The recent PR campaign against Iran, however, seems to be directed from Israel rather than Washington. There is no fundamental conflict of interest between Iran and the US and in my opinion, it is in the interest of both countries to affect reestablishment of normal and friendly relations. This may have a moderating effect on the rise of radical movements within the Islamic world and Iran .
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu  writes: > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: > >  > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you).  > >  > > Uh Oh!  The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's  > > "qualifications" in an area.  If you know something about Nazi Germany,  > > show it.  If you don't, shut up.  Simple as that. > >  > > > 	I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > > not appreciated. > >  > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were  > > tortured.  We ALL suffered.  Second, the name-calling was directed against > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general.  Your name-dropping of a fancy > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to "cite qualifications"  > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument.  Go  > > back to the minors, junior. > 	All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could > write.
In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: > > In article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal > Arens) writes: > > >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993.  P. A1. > > ........ > > The problem if  transffering US government files about Yigal Arens > and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal > or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law > forum  not to this forum. > The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents > of those files. > So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: > 1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?  I'm not aware that the US government considers me dangerous.  In any case, that has nothing to do with the current case.  The claim against the ADL is that it illegally obtained and disseminated information that was gathered by state and/or federal agencies in the course of their standard interaction with citizens such as myself.  By that I refer to things such as: address and phone number, vehicle registration and license information, photographs, etc.  > 2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?  You should ask the ADL, if you want an authoritative answer.  My guess is that they collected information on anyone who did or might engage in political criticism of Israel.  I further believe that they did this as agents of the Israeli government, or at least in agreement with them. At least some of the information collected by the ADL was passed on to Israeli officials.  In some cases it was used to influence, or attempt to influence, people's access to jobs or public forums.  These matters will be brought out as the court case unfolds, since California law entitles people to compensation if such actions can be proven.  As my previous posting shows, California law entitles people to compensation even in the absence of any specific consequences -- just for the further dissemination of certain types of private information about them.
In article <1993Apr05.120108.6578@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:  >                       REMEMBER AND DO NOT FORGET >                              Sisha Fuchs  Never. I don't know whether anybody formulated and proposed such an  index or criteria to determine the magnitude of a genocide as mentioned  and advised by Toynbee. If one ever does you will easily see the magnitude  of the crime of genocide committed by the Armenians, by massacring an alien population under their rule which constituted about 40% of their total population and they did it only within a time period of a little over two years in which they enjoyed having full control over this population.  Now I would like to ask you:    Is there any other genocide in the history of mankind similar to    this one?  And again I would like to ask you:    Whether the silent and unmourned martyrdom of these hundreds of thousands   of Turks of the Republic of Armenia who were exterminated as a "Final   Solution" to Turco-Tartar problems in Armenia is similar or not   to the martyrdom of six million Jews in Europe as a final solution to   Jewish problems?   Serdar Argic
amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:  >In article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >> >>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? >> >>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery  >>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >>civilians wouldn't get killed.  Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >>in a military bunker.   >> >>Ed.  >Who is the you Arabs here.  Since you are replying to my article you >are assuming that I am an Arab.  Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you >are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said.  The >bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is >very consistent with its policy of intimidation.  That is the only >policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in >the middle east!  What the hell do you know about Israeli policy?  What gives you the fiat to look into the minds of Israeli generals?  Has this 'policy of intimidation' been published somewhere?  For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982.  My brain is full of shit?  At least I don't look into the minds of others and  make Israeli policy for them!  >I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  We all suffer.  It's too bad that civilians get killed but I will blame their Arab leaders who put them in positions of danger before I will blame the Israelis.  Just like Palestinians who send their children into warzones to throw rocks at armed Israeli soldiers.  What irresponsible parents! As Golda Meir said, peace will only come when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the Jews.
In September 1990, our medical reserve unit was sent to the KETZIOT prison camp to take care of Arab prisoner who were housed in 5 sections of 1500 prisoners each, with each section subdivided in 5 units housing 300 prisoners. The prisoners would "communicate" with other distant sections (sometimes 50-100 yards away) by taking stones, tying written notes to the stones, and throwing them with incredible precision to other sections. I should have been a recruiter for the Red Sox :-) There were at least three prisoners who could have been outstanding pitchers.
tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu  writes: > Since one is also unlikely to get "the truth" from either Arab or  > Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to "understand", to learn?  > Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way  > to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's "political > agenda", whether it is "on" or "against" our *side*. >  > Tim  	First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine. I agree that Arab news sources are also inherently biased. But I believe the statement I was reacting to was that since the american accounts of events are not fully like the Israeli accounts, the Americans are biased. I just thought that the Israelis had more motivation for bias. 	The UN has tried many times to condemn Israel for its gross violation of human rights. However the US has vetoed most such attempts. It is interesting to note that the U.S. is often the only country opposing such condemnation (well the U.S. and Israel). It is also interesting to note that that means other western countries realize these human rights violations. So maybe there are human rights violations going on after all.