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In article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes: >>but you'll >>never catch me dead in a minivan!  >even a minivan based on viper running gear?  hmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another though..  you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either, 1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one.  just my taste,  no rational reasons for it.  >-teddy >p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.  CAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual.  Rave review except for Servotronic..  Audi is trying to recoup the development costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well, they are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick, eh?  yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the upcoming bimmer 530/540i would it?  maybe they can use a 3.6 liter version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the luxo-garbage.  let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires to go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump bhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes 500E style subtlety.  blah blah blah....
ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:   >Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)  This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them.  >Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)  Fax machines, yes.  Cellular phones:  Why not get a hands-free model?  >Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.  Seemingly unique to American luxury cars.  The Big Three haven't yet realized that the 1970s are over.  >Any gold trim.  I agree.  Just another display of Yuppie excess.
In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes: > In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: >> >>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >>will do much more good than just using detergent gas.   While I >  > A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than > them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, > and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer.  Go to KMart and buy the > cleaner yourself for $1.29.  This should not be the case if they are at all reputable. Fuel injector  cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure. The car is actually run on the solvent during the cleaning process. The equipment to properly do this is pricey, and generally not something the average home mechanic has. The solvent itself is not very expensive ($5-$8) and you could probably make up a hose to fit your system and do it yourself, but I didn't tell you that... :-)  Not many in-tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on. There has been a  discussion of these products on here from time to time, and Chevron Techron (not Pro-Gard with Techron) is generally regarded as the best. It is, however, a bit more than $1.29 a bottle. IMHO, it will not substitute for proper injector cleaning if they are really crudded up. You'll have to decide if the $59 price is a better deal than spending your time and/or buying equipment to do it.
x>> x>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. x>>>> Any gold trim. x > x>>>     These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake x>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies x>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion x>>>in the way. x>>>     Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with x>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. x>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... x>> Least you think bad taste is something new: Back in the early 1970s I saw a couple of cars with *flocked* paint jobs. Thats not a typo. I think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew on tiny pieces of nylon. It comes out looking like felt. Can you picture a huge Plymouth Fury III in dark blue felt? I think I can even remember one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s Corvette. That was after he had turned it into a station wagon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello <mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|
We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications. In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from  the exhaust gas.  Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology.  Max
In article <1993Apr22.143529.20494@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tvl@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (lam,thanh) writes: >I got a price quote of $18,875.00 for a Camry V6 w/ABS from a Toyota dealer in  >Eatontown. I came back to that dealer in two weeks to sign a purchase agreement. >Then I was told that the salesperson made an error in pricing. I walked out of  >that dealer. I wonder if this kind of practice is common with Toyota dealers ? >Is the price quote written on the salesperson's business card binding? >I would appricate any comments.   I had a similar experience.  We had a written quote which had been mailed to us from the salesman at one of these "no-haggle" Toyota dealers for a Camry XLE w/ABS, leather, etc.  The price seemed fair, but when we went in to take them up on their offer, they "discovered" that certain extra cost items hadn't been included in their original written quote. It would have totaled an extra $1100 and, in spite of the fact that we had a written quote, they said there was nothing they could do.  Bottom line, quotes from salemen are worthless and it appears to me that the Toyota dealers think they've got such a superior auto that they don't have to deal.  We walked, went out and bought a new LH car (Eagle Vision TSI) and I don't regret it one bit!
matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:  >By the way, what do people think about the Opel CAlibra?  	I want one, and I don't want to move to Europe to buy one.  Please make it the next Pontiac F-Car.  Of course I'll have to wait 'till 2003 to buy it...
I'd like to hear stories on experiences with the Hyundai Sonata.  I know Consumer Reports has trashed them but the people I know that have them swear by them.  They also haven't had the problems with them that Consumer Reports claims.  I haven't driven one yet.  I have driven a '93 Hyundai Elantra (which Consumer Reports also trashed) and was very impressed with it.  The local Hyundai dealership ("no-haggle" policy) is offering an Elantra GLS w/ power moonroof for $13163.  They also have a Sonata base, w/ Sunroof for $13997.  I know my preference is for a Sonata GLS w/ sunroof and 4-spd automatic.  I'll decide which engine I prefer after test driving both the 4-cyl and the V6.  The Sonata is also offering a $1500 rebate.  Hmmm, that's another question.  Is the following scenario the appropriate manner to handle "negotiation"?  1.  make offer 2.  subtract rebate from offer 3.  talk trade 4.  subtract trade from offer to get final price
In article <1993Apr14.155159.32619@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes: >Yes, I have the same questions. What makes me upset is that R12 costs are >skyrocketing and in fact can't be bought anymore in my area.  Also this is yet >another way mechanics and dealers can RIP-OFF customers. Also I was reading >that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r12 system and that it >would cost $ 300 upto a $ 1000 to retrofit a car with the old R12 system. >ALthough it is important to consider the environment I think the sudden ban is >a slap in the face for the consumer. Why is it that the consumer should have >to pay for the retrofit? The auto companies should have seen this coming? Also >why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use >and yet so slow in banning gasoline. In my opinion gasoline is just as >hazardous as anything else.  Why can't they start proposing bans on this and >switch to natural gas or electric? The technology is there. Hopefully some >chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible >with the old system. >Al H.  	Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning Society (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash those R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very shaky technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst).  	Does this piss you off?  Yes?  Write a letter to your congressman, to your senator, to the president, to the EPA, and to the DOT and complain.  Later,
I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby.  I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work done.  The body is in quite good shape.  The car is awful in cold weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a Spider if there's snow on the ground ...).  It has Bosch *mechanical* fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment.  Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call.  Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want.
As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while  here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....
mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: |> : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit  |> that they are not human beings.    Such submissions have been made before, e.g. regarding Jews.   In article <1993Apr21.042234.23924@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: |> Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any |> number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. |> When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh |> moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself |> mean that it has "rights"?  All you Dirty Harry types, eager to pull a gun on  some scum guilty of  scratching your stupid painted metal boxes on wheels : have you ever  KILLED a human to speak so lightly about such matters  ?
Excerpts from rec.autos: 26-Apr-93 Re: REVIEW: 1989 Ford Tauru.. by Mark W. Rice@mozart.Colu  > In article <24326.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Dav > id Bonds)  writes: > > > >GK>Occasionally, I have trouble shifting into reverse.  The shifter > >GK>refuses to enter the gate, and I often grind the synchros trying to > >GK>get it into gear.  I'll be watching this carefully in the next couple > >GK>of months. > > > >Enter 1st, wait 2-3 seconds and then go into reverse.  They use the same > >synchros, and you'll never (at least I haven't) ground-em-to-fit when using > >this technique. >   > Or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first, then you can quickly > go into reverse... no waiting.  One more way, which works in manual trans cars I've driven, and it is my personal favorite (the other suggestions above are great, but try this one, too).    While pushing the shifter *gently* towards reverse, let the clutch out slowly (right to the friction point) and the shifter will be pulled into position. If you do it right, the car won't jump backward, nor will the gears grind.... You will just glide back.
In article <brian-230493093710@hotspare.arc.nasa.gov> brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.204921.12644@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen >Tobias) wrote: >>  >> I live in the backyard of the folks who make the Stalker radar system. The >> Valentine 1 has saved me many, many, many times from the stealth revenue >> enhancement traps of the local area. I have had all the major brand detectors, >> and, IMHO, nothing else even comes close to the V1! >>  > >I hadn't heard of the Valentine-1 before. Car&Driver and other auto >magazines >recommend BEL detectors.  I was considering their latest - the 966STi - >which picks up Super Wideband Ka and Laser as well.  It also avoids  >radar detector detectors (although I really don't care about this since I >doubt I'll be driving in Virginia anytime soon - or have any other states >also made detectors iilegal?) > >How does the Valentine-1 compare with the BEL products? > >Brian Donnell  No comparison. The BEL is just a hooped up wideband Escort like detector. No directional indicators, no Bogey counter, no radar signature analysis, no remote display option, not as sensitive, not as well built.  Had it, sent it back!
The restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible.  A lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80's. These states may require greater rollover protection than the Capri affords.                 Thatch Harvey
Anyone have figures or pointers to references about  how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?
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markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes:  >In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com>   >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >>  ... >> 	Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for >> R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning   >Society >> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per >> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash   >those >> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very   >shaky >> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). >>  ...  >Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes   >exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies   >keep us all from getting.  These substitutes exist, and at this time are available. Its the future availability that is in doubt.  1) GHG-12  Get it from People's Welding Supply 800-382-9006   2) butane/propane    You can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away. Just make sure you use good quality (dry) gases.   I don't know of any 200mpg carb distributors :-)
In a previous article, finnegan@nrlssc.navy.mil () says:  >In article <Apr22.202724.24131@engr.washington.edu> >eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >> >>the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines..  :-) >> >> >>eliot > >Wouldn't that make them an I4?  Or would they  >really be an _4 (henceforth referred to as >"underscore 4")?
In article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes: >Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is     0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s >               (Road Test  >                Annual 1993)       0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s > > >Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the >newer.   sure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows 0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures of 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.  i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. but don't take my word for it.  go drive it.
I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn way of doing business and service was a *very* big plus. I hadn't bought a new car since I bought my Honda 4WD back in '85, and I was unbelieveably offended by most salespeople I met.  Saturn was indeed very different. I made three different visits to the dealer where I bought my car, and was never pressured. Saturn also had the best after-sales support, and the fixed pricing made it *very* easy for me to decide exactly what I wanted to buy. Another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the dealer. He's been fixing imports for 20 years...and bought a Saturn, based on what he's seen and heard from his customers.   Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles,  fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any warranty work, without counting against the refund.
In article <rjnC5sxMG.JqH@netcom.com> Richard Newton II, rjn@netcom.com writes: >On a related note, does this seem a sane price for a '67 convertible >Corvette in good condition? How does one determine these things? My CR >Used Car magazine doesn't list '67 corvettes :-) Any net wisdom on what  >to look for/what to avoid? Thanks in advance!  Rich, 	First of all you might want to join the VetteNet (vettes@chiller.compaq 	.com)  during your search/acquisition of the 67.  $20k sounds about  	right for a wrong engine, condition 3 car.  This means that the car may 	not have significant investment value but could be an excellent driver 	and or hobby car.  You will also want to get a copy of the Corvette 	Black Book immediately.  Don't leave home (to look at Vettes) without it. 	Since you are contemplating spending >$20k, you might want to invest a 	few hours in reading the "Corvette Buyer's Guide" and purchase Noland 	Adams' tape "How to Buy a Corvette."  The tape shows you how to check 	for damage, etc..  There are many many factors that will affect the 	value, road worthiness, and repair expense of your proposed 67.  The 	list is much too long to go into here.  Join the VetteNet where 	there are over 100 current Corvette owners (many with 60s vintage 	vettes) that are available to help you.  The pubs I mentioned above 	are available from Mid-America Designs (800) 637-5533 and several 	other Corvette parts sources.  Good luck!!!
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: Advise needed in buying Automobile     >I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase.  Below    >are its requirements:    >	5. V6 or above         Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine.     Tony --
In article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:  >The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super  >High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6.   Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that  internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus "Show" or just   "the Show".  As in long "o" sound.  I still refer to it as the "S-H-O", however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners  prefer using the Ford lingo.
In article <1993Apr21.100149.1501@rtsg.mot.com>, kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes: |> As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while  |> here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....  In many of our cities, there are traffic signals every 100 feet (unsynchronised, of course (well here in Ottawa anyway)) and the roads are so congested that  shifting manually is a real pain in the left foot.  Also, most Canadians are too stupid to learn how to shift manually (gee, I gotta co-ordinate my two feet on the clutch, brake _and_ accelerator, and I gotta steer, shift _and_ operate the signals (optional) and radio with my two hands... duh... it  can't be done).  Also, most North American made cars come with the automatic  as standard equipment, so why bother with a manual when the car can shift  for you for no addition money.  |> --  |> ___________________________________________________________________ ____/| |> John Kissane                           | Motorola Ireland Ltd.,   | \'o.O' |> UUCP    : ..uunet!motcid!glas!kissanej | Mahon Industrial Estate, | =() ()= |> Internet: kissanej@glas.rtsg.mot.com   | Blackrock, Cork, Ireland |    U
Excerpts from netnews.rec.autos: 24-Apr-93 Honda Mailing list? by James B. Atkins@prism.ga  >         Is there a Honda mailing list, and if so how do I subscribe to it?
In article <1993Apr24.125621.7311@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: >There are two crank configurations for >the flat 4; the most common one is probably the crank that is very >similar to the I4 crank.  which flat 4 engines have I4 style cranks?  >  Comparing those two engines, the I4 and the >flat 4 have no first order shaking forces or rocking moments.  The >I4 has a second order shaking force, while the flat 4 has a second >order rocking moment.  The significant thing about the flat 4's >second order moment is that it can be easily balanced out by adding >mass at the ends of the crank.  The I4, however, requires a counter >rotating shaft with mass to balance out the second order forces.  i am 99.99% sure that subaru (and porsche) use the boxer configuration and not the inline 4 crank that you analyzed and compared. would you care to re-evaluate the other case of a flat four?  i think that this configuration is perfectly balanced as far as primary, secondary forces and couples are concerned.  i have an article in front of me that says so.  >Bottom line:  the biggest difference between the engines would probably >be their intended use.  The flat 4 is easier to fit under low hoods >and in rear compartments (for mid or rear mounting).  The I4 can be >mounted transversely to reduce hood length (read: cab forward). >Other than that, there isn't much fanfare to the differences between >them, no matter what Subaru ads say.  (Technology shared with >Porsche.  Indeed.)  the flat four is also shorter than an inline 4, so even if it is mounted longitudinally it will not take up lots of length.. and a longitudinal placement is easier for a 4 wheel drive drivetrain.  i think that subaru's ads hold water.  in practice, their flat fours are noticeably smoother than inline 4s and completely buzz free, though some may not like its peculiar note.  but as alfa has shown, a boxer four can produce a spine tingling scream that only the likes of recent hondas can approach.
Hello again, another question.  :)  I just got my hands on 2 quarts of ReadLine Gear Oil (at $7 a quart) now I need to know how to throw it into my car.  I own an 89 NIssan Maxima Se, any Ideas? Can I mix the Oil in there with this stuff, or should I drain first, then 	only use this stuff. If you know where (if there is one) the drain plug on the manual transmission 	on the Maxima is, I would really appreciate any comments. Also have any of you Maxima owners, thied this stuff in your cars?
on wednesday morning, another driver decided to illegally 		turn left in front of me, doing great damage to my car 		(Honda Civic). 		i have yet to pay off the car, and the body shop says the 		insurance company wants to total the car.  i haven't 		been able to get in touch with the person handling my claim, 		so i checked on some things: 	 			1) my payout is $3700.00 			2) Blue Book retail is $5650.00 			3) loan value is $4450.00 			4) trade-in value is $4000.00  		could anyone give me any advice on what i should/could do 		if the insurance company does not give me a reasonable 		amount for the loss of the car.  				thanks, 				james baker