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Bill Coleman writes...   (responding to a discussion about a mosque in Jerusalem allegedly  having been destroyed by Israel)  BC> In today's Jerusalem Post Magazine there is a feature story about the BC> ongoing restoration of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter.  The author, BC> Leah Abramowitz, writes that there were FIFTY-SEVEN synagogues in the BC> quarter in 1948, ALL of which were destroyed, some, she says, used as BC> donkey stables.  The building shells, that is. BC>  BC> I still find it really, really hard to understand why the demolition BC> of the buildings in front of the Kotel continues to evoke more outrage BC> than this.  Everything is so much cheaper when it happens to the Jews. BC>  BC> Why?       The double standard of human behavior regarding the Jews must     be manitained.      A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of     400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State     of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive     treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.      Compare the tacit appoval that the world gives to Muslims who     randomly murder Jewish civilians to the righteous indignation     expressed if people in the occupied territories are kept from     working in Israel in an effort to reduce these random murders     from occuring, while everyone knows that no country is at all     required to accept foreign workers, except Israel, of course.      Jewish blood has always been cheap.  The non-Jewish world ha     never regarded any form of Jewish suffering important, except     when the Jews were the models of the powerless victim holding     the high moral ground, as it had been just after World War 2.       However, as soon as the Jewish people started to take care of      themselves, the ancient hatred of Jews was unleashed again.            I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any     compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so     basic to both Christianity and Islam.            Golda Meir said that there would be peace when the Arabs love     their own children more than they hate the Jews.  And while I     know that there are more Arab parents who love their children      than those who would send their children out into the streets      to throw rocks at men trained to defend themselves with guns,     the world is so obsessed by a hatred of Jews trying to defend      themselves that they have yet to even question the actions of      those parents who not simply allow their children to do this,      but encourage them to throw themselves into harm's way.  Even      Arab children are expendable, if their tragic deaths are used      in the neverending propoganda battle to blame Israel, and the       Jews, for any misfortune befalling Arabs in the middle east.
The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in  x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan.   The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre are in 'Milliyet' today.  69 year old Hatin Nine telling:  -''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.''  72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu:  - ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours.   While killing children and babies mercilessly they said: You are   Turks, you must die.''  28 year old Gulsum Huseyin:  - ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of     my eyes.''  Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming? Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region?  The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off.  Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these "lies." They are saying "exaggeration." That means ''somethings'' have happened but the situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's 3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach...  The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word.  Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre.  Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.''  The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human rights violations. International reactions must be made with international cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming to be civilized.  Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals, journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such as France who are fast to claim leadership of "human rights?" Where are you?   Serdar Argic
In article <1993Apr23.225710.10438@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >	What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of >the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers [...]  It wasn't all that long ago that the acts of Israeli soldiers were described as "superhuman".  Now, they are "inhuman".  Did the Israelis change so radically so quickly or have reporting attitudes changed?  > and the blessing >received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt >go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races >when they got power.   When the Jews were powerless, they did what they could to help others, which was obviously quite limited.  Later, liberated American Jews were on the forefront of the civil-rights movement.  The Jewish government of Israel rescued Jews ranging in skin color from White Russian to Brown Yemenite to Black Ethiopian.  Please, Andi, tell us "how the Jews are treating other races when they got power."  >It is unfortunate.  Your ignorance and bias are indeed unfortunate.
In article <1993Apr25.182253.1449@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:  >	I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from.   Hey tough guy, freedom necessitates responsibility, and no freedom is absolute.   BTW, to anyone who defends Arafat, read on:  "Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants, be they from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia or anywhere else....I give you my instructions to use violence against the immigrants.  I willjail anyone who refuses to do this." 				Yassir Arafat, Al-Muharar, 4/10/90  At least he's not racist! Just anti-Jewish
Lovely arguments.  But do we write about historical ownership of any place - Palestine, Pakistan, Cyprus, Aegean Islands (and the oil that may lie beneath them), whatever - for any reason other than justification for stomping others?  DOES IT TRULY MATTER whose ancestor lived where 20, 200, or 2000 years ago?  More than how you treat the land and each other?  Who is wise enough to decree that a person's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in a particular place depends on accidents of birth?  Who can even be sure about the precise tracks of the sperm that birthed the people we wish to despise?  IMHO, the American Indians have it right.  We belong to the earth, it does not belong to us.  Failure to understand that is a good way to cause lossage all the way around.  My guess is that once we trash our environment sufficiently we shall die along with it - the baby eating and killing its mother, then dying for lack of milk.  Death and disease do not respect national boundaries, not as toxins, disease vectors,  lost farmland/wetlands/forest cover/water supplies, nor any other way.  When we fight over which national group owns which piece of turf, we are merely contending for the best vantage point from which to kill others, "our" land and eventually ourselves.  That is something of which to be proud.  Very proud.  Makes me glad to be human.   I'm not mindlessly rejecting all nationalism.  Maybe it's fair to ask whether a recent immigrant deserves a share of the infrastructure that all _my_ ancestors (hah!) labored to produce.  But it's an artificial distinction: is the recent immigrant, even a refugee, less likely to contribute to the next generation's legacy than anyone else?  [In history the reverse is often the case: recent immigrants strive hardest.  If nothing else, they fill open eco(l/n)ogic niches.]  Then again, my tribe is infinitely better than your tribe, so I can understand you all have nothing but plot to knock me off.  While I, of course, will make sure it doesn't happen, even if I must shoot Muslim infants (or bash Jewish ones against the walls of schoolhouses) to do so.  That'll prove my moral superiority, by golly, as well as the rightness of my cause.   Clearly, there is no higher purpose in life than killing others because they are not like you.  I would never get in the way of such fun.  Let's see:   	soc.culture.turkish - Why don't you Turks go back to Lake 		Baikal where you came from, and leave the land to the 		Greeks, who stole it fair and square from the 		Scythians? 	soc.culture.pakistan - Why don't you guys redistribute 		yourselves over India, as God meant for you to do? 	soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.arabic - we stick together, 		fight together, die together.  We are brothers, and 		inseparable. 	talk.politics.mideast - oh well, had to be there.  Oded [Planning on being a Scythian irredentist, as soon as I finish my present assignment.]   P.S.:	I can't get a semi-decent death threat anymore?
In article <C67nJt.H0u@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >In article <1993Apr26.114220.20245@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > >>Jake can call me Doctor Mohandes Brad "Ali" Hernlem (as of last Wednesday) > >Congratulations.  In what field is this doctorate? > >--  >Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will >American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the >My opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.  I add my congratulations as well. To all those who survive the gauntlet, cheers.
Found this in soc.culture.pakistan Might be of interest..... am posting it without the permission of the original poster. Hope he/she doesnt mind.   By Lance Gay, Scripps-Howard News Service   SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- In this land of historic hatreds, a tiny Jewish community is braving Serbian shells to repay a 50-year-old debt to Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust.   Ivica Ceresnjes, president of the Jewish Community of Sarajevo, says he and about 1,000 other Jews chose to remain in Sarajevo, rather than leave for Israel, to keep a feeding center in the medieval old town district running.   Ceresnjes said that was partly in gratitude to the Muslims who hid Jews during the Nazi occupation and partly to keep intact the centuries-old presence of  Jews living in Sarajevo.   ``Some with guns are defending Bosnia, but I fight in Bosnia by keeping  people alive,'' Ceresnjes said.   As a student of Balkan history, Ceresnjes said he saw this war coming and  had ready plans to evacuate children and the elderly. A year before the war erupted here last April, Ceresnjes said the Jewish center began stockpiling supplies, ensuring everyone had passports and arranging for places in Israel and Europe for the evacuees.   They were so well prepared, he said, that only five days after the shooting began the first plane left. Of about 2,000 Jews in Bosnia- Herzegovina, he estimates half have left. Many of those who stayed behind work in Sarajevo's downtown synagogue, which has been turned into a wartime feeding center that has so far given away 380,000 meals.   The center, which has been shelled several times along with most of Sarajevo, also runs a radio station, mail center and distributes food packages sent by Jewish organizations around the world.   While Muslims and Jews are fighting each other in the Mideast, Jews here say there's a long tradition of cooperation, inter-marriage and tolerance between the two communities in Sarajevo that goes back to centuries of Turkish occupation.   Sarajevo's Jews trace their ancestry back to their expulsion from Roman Catholic Spain in 1492. The community numbered more than 14,000 before World War II. But only 10% survived the Holocaust -- which was carried out by the pro-Nazi Croatian Ustache in Yugoslavia. Many of the survivors were hidden by Muslim families in Mostar.    --  Sharon Machlis Gartenberg Framingham, MA  USA e-mail: sharon@world.std.com   ---------------------------------------- Zafar.
In article <C6vExt.Lxn@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:  |> In article <1993May7.175730.12246@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: |> >In article <39298@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes: |> >|> In article <C6MM8A.5KB@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: |>  |> >|> >In the NY Times, on Sunday, May 2, in an article on Somalia, a |> >|> >reporter writes: |> >|> > |> >|> >  " [...] But last year, Iran quietly took over four islands belonging |> >|> >  to the United Arab Emirates and deported their people, with hardly a |> >|> >  protest from the United States. [...]" |> >|> > |> >|> >Does anyone know what this is referring to?  I seem to have missed it. |> >|> >(Spiked, no doubt. :-) |>  |> >|> There was something in the NYT and other sources about this for a few |> >|> days.  It is an ongoing border disupute, and when the Iranians kicked |> >|> out the UAE people it was briefly reported (this was many moons ago). |> >|> I don't recall reading of any public US comment; if it were a strong |> >|> protest I probably would have seen it. |>  |> >Those islands would be Abu Musa, and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs, I presume. |> >I don't know about a fourth. The latter two islands belong to Iran and so |>  |> According to the NY Times, the 4 islands "belong[] to the United Arab |> Emirates."   |> Jake Livni    The NY Times is in error. This is not simply my opinion; even the Arab sources that I use do not make this claim. This, of course, is assuming that the NY Times was refering to the islands that I named above. Of those islands, only Abu Musa has been in dispute and Iranian occupation of that island predates the existence of the UAE.
So, Mr. Salah is still claiming Stalin was a Jew?   This thread began on SCA, when he and another guy claimed both Stalin and Lenin were Jews. When I posted evidence from books and the Britannica showing they were Christians, someone made the (correct) remark that Lenin's maternal grandfather was a Jew who converted to Christianity.  To counter the fact that Stalin was a Christian who, during his youth, was trained to be a priest, Mr. Salah wrote "yes, it says he was trained to be a priest, but not for what religion!" (BTW, Stalin developed strong antisemitic feelings later in his life).  Mr. Salah seems intent on trying to spread hate against Jews by posting antisemitic forgeries and trying to "prove" that certain notorious people were Jews, even if they were not.
In article <sehari.735313083@vincent1.iastate.edu> farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes: > >From:  Kayhan Havai # 1026 >-------------------------- >                     >                          >o Dr. Namaki,  deputy minister of health stated that infant >  mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120  >  per  thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at >  the end of 1371 (last month).  Dr. cheghadr bA namakand!  They just wait until they are teenagers to kill them!  >     >o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only >  254f children received vaccinations to protect them >  from various deseases but this figure reached 93at >  the end of 1371.  huh?   >o During the visit of Mahathir Mohammad, the prime minister >  of Malaysia, to Iran, agreements for cooperation in the >  areas of industry, trade, education and tourism were >  signed. According to one agreement, Iran will be in >  charge of building Malaysia's natural gas network.  Yup.  IRI also granted a great deal of reconstruction of houses and buildings in war torn areas to Malaysia. Khak too sareshoon, one of the  only industries we really have is construction, and there are all these unemployed youth, and they give money to Malaysia to do what Iranians can and should be doing.                      >                  > - Farzin Mokhtarian
In article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: > >>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? > >If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery  >batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >civilians wouldn't get killed.  Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >in a military bunker.   > >Ed.  Who is the you Arabs here.  Since you are replying to my article you are assuming that I am an Arab.  Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said.  The bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is very consistent with its policy of intimidation.  That is the only policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in the middle east!
In article <1483500361@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:  >Contrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that >during the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for >centuries previous, a productive human presence was to be found in >all parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys >of the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These >were the Bedouin Arabs.  In fact, this "productive human presence" in the desert has, in the centuries it has been there, produced one of the greatest civilizations in human history.  They not only created the wheel, but the printing press, the light bulb, Post-Modern skyscraper architecture, Broadway theatre and nuclear power, as well.  >The real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern >part, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's >cultivated lands and pastures.   Right, Elias.  The Negev was a veritable Garden of Eden until the Evil Jews turned off the rain and turned it into a horrible desert.  Part of the International Jewish Conspiracy.  Say, who should I call to turn off the rain here in NY, right now?  >Nowadays, the majority of the >12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the >State of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond >recognition.   Yeah, deserts rarely look like the Garden of Eden.  >The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev >are the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief >role is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture >lands;   This is why Nature Reserves people are heavily armed with anti-tank weaponry.  Just what we need in the Nature Reserves.  >and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and >dumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes.   Nothing like "vast nuclear reactors" when it comes to hiding them from air attack.  AT least Saddam had the sense to hide his CBN plants in "baby milk" factories.  >Israeli >Jews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area >cultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish >pastoral activity.  Indeed, many older people recall fondly those lovely tomatoes and oranges that the Bedouin exported form their Garden of Eden.  In fact, that region used to supply the entire world with bananas, until the Jews pushed that business onto the "banana republics".     Elias, you're stupid postings are a source of considerable amusement and hilarity.  Please don't stop.  I might even have to go back to watching TV.
Srinivas Suder writes:  >If the Haitian people's will is that their current Govt. get thrown out,  >they'll find a way to do it. Getting the US/UN to short-cut the process will  >only hasten it, but sets a bad precedent - can the US interfere EVERYWHERE?  >Why not right at our doorstep - Cuba?  Precisely, why not Cuba??  Why not???  The Hatians are being ruled by thugs  and their elected leader has asked support to reestablish the peoples will.  If  the U.S. or any other democracy wishes to, they are in the perfect right to  help them without any whining from thir parties.  After all if it turns out to  be colonialism and the poeple don't like it, they' find a way to throw them out.  >There is an implicit assumption here that we as outsiders have a right to sit >in judgement of another people, and to then act on it. To me, it is in there >that the roots of old colonial attitudes lie. Today, the motives are noble. >Tomorrow, they may not be.  Who ever said people who commit genocide have the right to commit genocide??   I want a world where criminals agains humanity have no place to hide, while you  want special sovereignties designed to protect them.  Nobody has the right to  commit crimes against humanity, and if they do they loose all right to self  determination.  If this is classical colonialism, then so be it.
hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali) writes:  >Is this means that  the number of the people have been killed by Israel are so >high that you can not keep the track of, or this is also a part of Zionism  >ideology that you don't need to keep  the track of the people you kill?  >Just kill!  If you _know_ that the number is "so high", would you care to provide it?   To tell you the truth, Hamid, most of those killed by the Israeli Army were agressors who were invading or attacking Israel with the intention of murdering Jews and destroying the Jewish State.  Thus, I have no sympathy for them and I really don't give a damn about how many were killed.  >Hamid
David posts a good translation of a post by Suat Kinikliouglu:  [most of the original post elided]     [KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR *****     In translation, as a public service:  [most of the translation elided]     ***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING          FILTH OFF SOULS *****  I think this part of the translation is questionable. Although I think the original quote is plain silly, you made it sound as if it is coming from a neo-nazi youth. For example, Turks talk of a "motherland" not a Germanic "fatherland". Why "filth" instead of "dirt"? The indeterminacy of translation is a well-known problem [1] so one may have to "fudge", but with some care of course. Is the following an equally valid translation?  The love of one's country is the strongest wind to cleanse one's soul.  See my point?  Nevertheless, I think you translate well.  oz