Well,I tried not to get involved in this never ending talk,but,man,I REALLY got hot about this bullshit.  In article <1993Apr13.164305.701@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch writes: >Hakim Abu Ahmed (cu304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > >: in-reply-to: hm@cs.brown.edu's message >: >   zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) writes: > >: >   steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: >: >   |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it >: >   |>    take to kill a 5 year old native child? >: >   |> >: >   |> A: Four >: >   |> >: >   |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, >: >   |> and one writes up a false report. >: >   |>  Making stupid and idiot jokes about soliders will not bring anything (not mentioning peace or agreement). I also know several tens of jokes about arabs (palestinians) but I DO NOT post them to Usenet (Anyway,not to THIS newsgroup), since I don't think I will achieve any target but making other parts furious,and this is NOT my target. If this is your target...well...that tells a lot about you.   >: >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ?  Did you really think he is talking about something realistic?  > >: >Harry. > >: You must be kidding ,this is not a single incident >: now. This has become a daily life practice in Gazza >: if you mean the killing of children by armed soldiers.  Yeah,well,sometimes,when cowards put their children and wives in the front line, so their enemy cannot do anything,well,maybe in those cases,you have no better thing to do (to save your life) than shooting. And if parents want their children alive,I think it would be better that before they get out to throw stones/molotov botlles,or when they come to kill soliders,to keep their children in the houses.   >: If you are objecting the number of occupying israeli >:  soldiers (terrorists) or  the way they do it , then              ^^^^^^^^^^^^----\/                          Look in the dictionary at the word "terrorism"! It 			 says: (nu) the use of threats of violence,and violence 			 esp for political purposes. 			 It sounds more like your guys...  >: I caan assure you that they do worse than that. Just as  Yeah? Well,I guess you were in there,and you know it all...  >: example  11 children were killed this month of Ramadhan >: two of them by military vehicules.  An other similar >: incident by vehicule was the one of 25 Feb (4 Ramadhan) >: where thee military truck on purpose hit a passenger                              ^^^^^^^^^^---\/                            Where from do you know that it was "on purpose"? 			   Personally,I didn't hear about this case,although 			   I don't deny it.But how can ANYBODY,besides the 			   person itself,can say it was "on purpose"?  >: car where the victims were a 5 year girl Safa Sail >: Bisharat >: and Saamud Riyad a 2 weeks old babygirl.( + the 23 >: oldd Raajij Rouhy)  Yeah,sure.The truck driver looked in the car with his Zionist Equipment of Detecting Palestinian Children,and then he thought to himself:Hey there is a 5 year  and 2 weeks girls in the car.Why won't I make an accident and kill the "enemy"? Maximum I will die too in the crash...But what do I care?...  >: -- >: Hakim. > >Actually, if can remember correctly, was it not reported and even on camera >some time during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or when the itifada began, >that CNN caught regular uniformed Israeli soldiers breaking the arms of >some Arab youngsters in a very professional and brutal manner, (someone >please give full details if they can remember). This is one of the few  Well,It was about 3 years ago ,in the Intifada (The fact that  you can't remember the time prooves how much do you care about it). I DO NOT think that what the soliders did was correct. But I will not agree that they "were breaking their arms".I saw that film,and,unlike in the USA,it was broadcasted entirely not long ago (in a talk show) and at the end the "arm-broken" guys got up and walked and used their arms very good. They guy who did it was interviewed and he said he did it because the terrorist or whatever he was refused to take his orders,and spitted in his face. What ammount of truth exist in this statement I cannot tell you,because I wasn't there. But the guy who did it was in prison,if it makes you any good.  >occassions on which such a scene has been transmitted to the West and >in the USA ... it caused uproar and was one of the factors that has significantly >changed the preception of the Israeli army's role in the mid-east.  No,it didn't. The Israeli army is still the most important army in the midlle east.It is still the only human army(as much as an ARMY can be human).To any American who will claim the opposite,I can only remember the CNN broadcasting of the American Solider who beat a Somalian boy. It was very cruel to see.But I won't say because of this that the American army is cruel.  > >So there is proof for you! It is obvious that is a systematic policy of the >Israelis which must be occurring on a massive scale behind the scenes.  Some kind of proof! "Obvious"? Where from? If you say it is behind the scenes, how do you know about it?  > >Nadeem >   I just wanted to show how much garbadge one can say,without knowing ANYTHING about what he says,and living a life far away from the place he talks about.