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In article <C5vzDv.Mxw.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >> >>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>>>of those files. >>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? >> >>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry.  Perhaps you can answer >>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >>>in California (and elsewhere??)?  Friendly rivalry perhaps? >> >>Come on!  Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war  >>against Israel.  That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations.  That is >>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals >>only a few years ago.   >> > >The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*. > >Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be >spied on?  You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS >should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,  >as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in  >which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)?  By inference, can we assume  >that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses  >a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?  Like it or not, Edward, Anwar has a very good, valid point.  Obviously, in presenting it, he (quite legitimately and deliberately) takes a point of view to an extreme which might not have been what you intended, but that is one of the best ways to demonstrate a "slippery slope" type of argument, which I believe was his aim.  I very frankly believe that the ADL will be proved innocent in this case.  I doubt there's enough evidence to weigh against them even in a civil court, where preponderance of the evidence, not evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, is the standard for "winning" such a case.  That, however, does not prevent me from seeing the merit in Anwar's point.   Rest deleted.
In article <1993Apr26.175246.24412@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:  >This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net.  The >statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand >Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads >during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.    Let us not forget the Nazi Armenians. Nazi Armenians were of service  to Germans in Arab countries as well. As Uzun put it, one well-known  case which received a lot of media-coverage involved two Nazi Armenian  agents which were dropped over Syria by Italian war planes. The mission  of the agents was to mingle among the Armenian population in Syria and  to acquire relevant information for the German Wehrmacht on the allied  forces in the area.[1] Nazi Armenians also helped German propaganda  efforts in Arab countries designed to promote pro-Nazi sentiments among  the French- and British-ruled Arab populations. Beirut had traditionally been strong-hold of the Nazi Armenians and until very recently it was the center of international Armenian terrorism.   In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret  Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired important intelligence about the Soviets. His experience with the Turkish genocide in x-Soviet Armenia made him an invaluable  source for the Germans.[2]  [1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 150.  [2] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 113; Patrick von zur Muehlen,     ibid., p. 84.  Serdar Argic
In article <1rhnb4$1pp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: >   In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says: > >   >In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >   >>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >   >>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: >   > >   >>>Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral >   >>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? >   > > >   There are many cases, but I do not remeber names.  The Isralis shot and killed >   a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada. >...  Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of independence.  He was killed by the Israelis.  Seems he was being too successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.
In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) writes: > >	Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was >torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5 >years ago in Instanbul. >	What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they >are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has >turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too. >	What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta, >what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod >language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised? >	Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting >Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it >is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless. >	If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they >elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? >How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education? >Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right >to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those >privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university, >some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat. >	BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some >of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote "On the mountains of >Tayros." ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am >interested in finding more books from these two people. >	 > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Yeian kai Eytyxeian  | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but >Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$% >Live long & Prosper  | NO CARRIER >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >>     Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner        < >>     whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole        < >>     messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech       < >>     and don't send me anything.                                             <
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods.  /* Written  4:38 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- "From Israeli press: Nazi methods." ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS  Newspaper: Ha'aretz Date: 14 February1993 Author: Gideon Levi  Subject: NAZI methods in Gaza  Title: In the neighborhood of Hope, among the rubble  (Excerpts)  Mahmoud Jowara'r stared at me long and sadly: "I worked my entire life in order to built that house and this is what is left". Only TV could transmit the full sadness of his face. "You say that we teach our children to hate you, but what do you expect to happen to a child who sees this ?" And once again he wraps himself in a lengthy silence, his face crumbling into weeping. Mahmoud stood in the field of rubble that was once his home. The term 'dispossession' has an absolute meaning here. Nothing is left of what he accumulated during his entire life, only the rubble of a house and shreds of belongings.  Once again Khan Yunis. Once again demolished homes. Last Thursday there was a search for wanted people here. Once again the IDF forces employed the new method, fired and bombed and shot missiles and placed explosives. Already three times during the past weeks I have gone out to see the destruction and each time I was more horrifying scenes. This time they hit the largest number of houses, 17 according to the IDF estimate, ten of them completely demolished. But not only that:  the method has also become more brutal. Three weeks ago, in Tufah neighborhood in Gaza, the residents were still told to remove their valuables from their homes.  This time the army skipped that part; three weeks ago the handcuffed men, inhabitants of the demolished homes, were supplied with some water and one apple during the 12 hours they had to stand. This time there was only water. Three weeks ago they were even allowed to go out to the toilet. This time the soldier just gold them: Piss and shit in your pants. And thus, last Thursday, some 45 men stood for about 12 hours, their hands bound behind their backs, their eyes blindfolded, without food, with wet pants on their legs and a terrible feeling of humiliation in their hearts, listening to the sounds of the explosions destroying their homes, one after the other.  (...)
In article <C6yAoD.4C7@cobra.cs.unm.edu> melabdel@cobra.cs.unm.edu (Mohammed Elabdellaoui) writes:  >Muslims helping the Nazis???  Where on earth do you come up with such >accuusation??  Do you have proofs??  If not, you should publically apologize >for such a statement.    What a dope!  There is no value for Mohammed Elabdellaoui to be here at a Western University.  Third-worldist and Islamic brain-rot has made it impossible for him to acquire and analyze facts appropriately.  The history of the efforts of the Mufti of Jerusalem to serve the Nazis in the South Balkans and set up Muslim SS Divisions is well-documented.  In general, Nazism and the leader-principle resonated well among Muslim peoples.  Khomeini's concept of the faqih is a recent example of such resonance.  In fact, totalitarianism is etymologically a reasonable translation Islam.  To be fair, the Mufti did not succeed in getting large numbers of Muslims to join the SS.  But the rather small Muslim SS unit did manage to commit attrocities disproportionate to it size.  There were also Muslim people who were less than enthusiastic about the attempt of Muslim leaders to entice Muslim people to serve the Nazi cause actively.  And the Turkish government ignored practically all Nazi overtures even though an alliance with the Nazis against the Soviet government would have made a great deal of tactical sense.  			Last time I heard, the nazis prided themselves in >needing no body to carry their politics and ideologies.  And if your statment >were true, don't you think Israel would of used it to point to what a Muslim >neighbor (PALESTINE) could do to them if they allowed it to be?  The jewish >lobby and power is very strong, and if what you said is true, we would of >heard it from them before you could come up with it. >And you dare say that you are taking no sides!!  Yes, the typical primitive Muslim psychopathological psychotic behavior upon hearing or reading a disagreeable fact -- start whining about the Jews.  What a jerk.  >Mohammed  You should go back to your mindlessly stupid 3rd world country.  Your brain has no business in a civilized first world country.
In <C5ztK0.DyI.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:  >I said: >  In article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >  > >  >  Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement >  >  there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or >  >  (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia.   Non-whites >  >  don't count?  >  Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are >  "oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don't count.  >...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it >gets.  Not according to reports I have read. It seems that the Somalis think of our African American Marines in less than complimentary terms, using gestures that signify a word I refuse to use. Seems that even when you try to help people, they still insult you.   >That's two in a row, care to try for more?
In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:  >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism.  	You mean he talks about those Jews, who, because of their self hatred, spend all their time attacking Judaism, Jews, and Israel, using the most despicable of anti-Semetic stereotypes?  	I don't think we need to coin a term like "Jedeo-Nazism" to refer to those Jews who, in their endless desire to be accepted by the Nazis, do their dirty work for them.  We can just call them house Jews, fools, or anti-Semites from Jewish families.  	I think "house Jews," a reference to a person of Jewish ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint.  I think a few years free of their anti-Semetic role models would do wonders for most of them.  Adam  Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
Aryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists...  Thus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism, I think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous philosophy.  I suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish scholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if they would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy.
I would like to publicly apologize to our Anisa Aldoubosh    for playing : **** Well Anisa I am not sure that I feel the necessary remorse. You and another Muslim lady ( Hanan Ashrawi ) seems to me to be some attempt to charm the west into forgetting what you are really saying. It is not that we hate muslims but we hate certain things you are saying every now and then. And it is depressing to ponder the  prospects for peace while those wievs are held by your people. Not that we are better then you , we have our own prejudices and vices in the West thank you. But your views are really  depressing . Thus I have fallen in the temptation to tease and make a little fun instead of .... and have problems to mobilize the necessary remorse!  Best Regards
In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:  >>Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral >>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?  >Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale >behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza.  	Hate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its really very simple.  He was a dirty Jew.  And the only good Jew, in some peoples mind, is a dead Jew.  Thats what 40 years of propaganda that fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do.  Thats what 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to someones mind.  They make people sick.  They drag down political discourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way to resolve a dispute.  	What else can come of such demagogery?  Peace?  Adam   Arafat on political pluralism:  	``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada 	exposes himself to the bullets of his own people and 	endangers his life.  The PLO will know how to deal with 	him.'' 	--- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1/2/89  Arafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square:  	``...  on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their         leadership, and myself...  [I] take this opportunity to express         extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order         after the recent incidents in People's China.'' 	--- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party  Yassir Arafat, humanitarian:         ``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ...  be they from the        Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else.  It would be a disgrace if        we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our        territory.  I want you to shoot...  It makes no difference if they        live in Jaffa or Jericho.  I give you explicit orders to open fire.        Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.'' 	--- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990  Yassir Arafat on genocide:  	``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in 	this part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch 	of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the 	occupied homeland is liberated...'' 	--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79     Adam Shostack 				       adam@das.harvard.edu
In article <1993Apr26.172744.23230@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: >> >>[...] >>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >>strip and seek work in Israel. > >Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking >his/her sources does not deserve to be believed.  The Gaza strip does >not possess the highest population density in the world.  In fact, it >isn't even close.  Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly >of this statement:  the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the >population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area.  The >centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, >population densities.  Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao >Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,...  > >Need I go on?  The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the >truth than this oft-repeated statement is. > Elias' initial statement certain *is* hot air. But it seems to be almost standard procedure around here to first throw out an absurb, overstated image in order to add extra "meaning" to the posting's *real point*.   However, his second statement *is* quite real. The essential sealing off of Gaza residents from the possibility of making a living *has happened*. Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, but isn't that action a little draconian?
In article <1993May10.160125.3179@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>  >>To Eric S. Perlman (perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU): >>  >>Your posts make a good case study for an unashamed misanthrope. >>Instead of attempting to enlightening Pinkas about the errors of his >>ways, and EVEN after he politely asked you to continue the debate in >>email, you persist in publicly lambasting him and labeling him a >>hypocryte. > >Your posts, not mine, fit this description.  What was the very first >thing you did upon entering this newsgroup?  Treat everyone who didn't >agree with your opinions as dirt, not explain to them why, call them >very rude names, twist words for flames... need I go on? > >I can defend myself quite well against Pinkas, thank you.  There is nothing you need to defend yourself against. As I said: I just exchange ideas over the USENET with other people. I never  attacked you as to put you in the need to defend yourself against me. I am not a violent person, and I do not see how can anyone be threatened by the opinions and ideas of others as expressed on USENET. I asked you to continue on email because I am not interested on a flamefest, where you change my words or just make up some of your own and present them as mine. So, do not worry. You do not need to defend yourself because I am not attacking you.  >Next time you try making such >comments try some basic civility and you might get somewhere.  This is a good advice for yourself.  > >'Nuff said. >  > >--  >     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>  >  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:   >I just thought that I would make it clear, in case you are not familiar with >my past postings on this subject; I do not condone attacks on civilians.  >Hezbollah and other Lebanese Resistance fighters are skilled at precision >bombing of SLA and Israeli targets. I find such methods to be far more >restrained and responsible than the Israeli method of shelling and bombing >villages with the hope that a Hezbollah member will be killed along with >the civilians murdered. I do not consider the killing of combatants to be >murder. Soldiers are trained to die for their country. Three IDF soldiers >did their duty the other day. These men need not have died if their government >had kept them on Israeli soil.   Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ?  Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages. But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are  camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the 'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad,  civilians die, right ? I am not so sure.   As somebody wrote, Saddam Hussein had no problems using civilians in disgusting manner. And he also claimed 'civilians murdered'. Let me ask you, isn't there  at least a slight chance that you (not only, and the question is very general,  no insult) are doing a similar type of propaganda in respect to civilians in southern Lebanon ?  Now, a lot people who post here consider 'Israeli soil' kind of Mediteranean sea. How do you define Israeli soil ? From what you say, if you do not clearly  recognize the state of Israel, you condone killing israelis anywhere.  >Dorin, are you aware that the IDF sent helicopters and gun-boats up the >coast of Lebanon the other day and rocketted a Palestinian refugee north of >Beirut. Perhaps I should ask YOU "what qualifies a person for murder?":  I do not know what was the pupose of the action you describe. If it was  to kill civilians (I doubt), I certainly DO NOT CONDONE IT. If civilians were  killed, i do not condone it.   >That they are Palestinian?  >That they are children and may grow up to be "terrorists"?  >That they are female and may give birth to little terrorists?  >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)  Mr. Hernlem, it was YOU, not ME, who was showing a huge satisfaction for 3  israelis (human beings by most standards, Don't know about your standards) killed.  If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a  question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing justifies murder. I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ?   Now tell me, did you also condone Saddam's scuds on israeli 'soldiers' in, let's say, Tel Aviv ? From what I understand, a lot of palestineans cheered. What does it show? It does not qualify for freedom fighting to me ? But again, I may be  wrong, and the jewish controlled media distorted the information, and I am just an ignorant victim of the media, like most of us.