In article <1t3e0r$i8m@zip.eecs.umich.edu> sechrest@cairo.eecs.umich.edu (Stuart Sechrest) writes:  >>By the way, here is the entire paragraph. >> >>"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as  >> ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work  >> of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.  >> Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts  >> into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable  >> and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets  >> completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They  >> found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border  >> into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole  >> length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to  >> Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain  >> plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of  >> Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for  >> howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the  >> scattered bones of the dead."  >> >>                             Ohanus Appressian >>                            "Men Are Like That" >>                                   p. 202.  >No, this is the point you invariably miss.  Don't be so vague. Let us reexamine it - shall we?  >THIS is the entire paragraph:  >``As the Turks had solved the Armenian problem in Turkey by  >  slaying or driving the Armenians out of the country, so  >  we now proceeded to solve the Tartar problem in Armenia.   >  We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as  >  ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work  >  of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.  >  Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts  >  into heaps of stone and dust, and when the villages became untenable  >  and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets  >  completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They  >  found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border  >  into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole  >  length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to  >  Akhalkalaki, from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain  >  plateau of the north, were dotted with mute mournful ruins of  >  Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for  >  howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the  >  scattered bones of the dead."    >       Ohanus Appressian, from L. R. Hartill, ``Men Are Like That,'' >       The Bobbs-Merrill Company, London, 1928.  P. 202.  Here you descend into total inanity. Your inability to distinguish between 'the cold-blooded genocide of Muslim people by the Armenians'  and 'the Armenian war' is incredible. Now, please provide us with your  corrections.  Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)." (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.  "In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city   of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population,   closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan   on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized   and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during   the next two days."  "Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,  Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.  Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First  World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse  to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other  invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian  success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of  Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common  soldiers began deserting in droves."  "With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of  World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy  increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,  Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn  massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of  expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."  "...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final  plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the   president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response:   'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the    glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian   arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the   Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining   under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey   who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new   free life under the protection of Russia.'[155]  Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."  [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083.  "Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and  the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be  accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"  [156] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1,  pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields," Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, "Harb Hahralaram," 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083.  "An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it   appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be  able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian  civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from  the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted  Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from  Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new   Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians  crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed  no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"  [162] Hovannisian, "Road to Independence," p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350.  [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915;  Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, "Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami," Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915.  >As you point out above, the original quote used the term ``Tartars,'' >as distinct from ``Turks,'' but you perhaps feel free to make these >minor adjustments in the name of truth.  I went through this just a few weeks ago; here it comes again. The  entire Turkish population of Armenia (which Armenians called Tartars)  constituted at least about 40% of the total population of Armenia  was deliberately exterminated. (For the population statistics, please  look to the book of Richard Hovannessian, "Armenia on the Road to  Independence.") I listed three books earlier of such a monstrous crime  by the writings of one Armenian, one American, and one British. They  are: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard R. Hartill; "Adventures in the Near  East" by A. Rawlinson; "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn.  Also, I personally have copies of documents of this crime by the writings  of two Armenians and also one American. The official British report about  this massacre mentioned in one of these documents (Lord Curzon-Aharonin  interview) is the report of the British High Commissioner to Caucasia,  Sir Oliver Wardrop.   "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the  systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of   the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at   least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The   memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and   eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in  1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."      (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990)  Need I go on?  Serdar Argic