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In article <22APR199307534304@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country, >>  rather than the third world] >>I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying >>that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to >>Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider >>unworthy of help.  They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to >>the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. >I am a staunch Republican, BTW.  The irony of arguing against military >intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me.  I was opposed >to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was >not nearly as risky.  Based on the same reasons?  You mean you were opposed to US intervention in Somalia because since Somalia is a European country instead of the third world, the desire to help Somalia is racist?  I don't think this "same reason" applies to Somalia at all.  The whole point is that Somalia _is_ a third world country, and we were more willing to send troops there than to Bosnia--exactly the _opposite_ of what the "fixation on European countries" theory would predict.  (Similarly, the desire to help Muslims being fought by Christians is also exactly the opposite of what that theory predicts.)  >>For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to >>help the Serbs.  After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not.  If >>the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are >>less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? >>Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? >Well, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story.   Good >for business, don't you know.  And BTW, not "everyone" wants to help the >side that is less like us.  I'm referring to people who want to help at all, of course.  You don't see people sending out press releases "help Bosnian Serbs with ethnic cleansing! The Muslim presence in the Balkans should be eliminated now!"  (Well, except for some Serbs, but I admit that the desire of Serbs in America to help the Serbian side probably _is_ because those are people more like them.) -- "On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole     that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...    -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
In article <1993May12.205519.1480@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >In article <C6x44y.3xD@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sadek) writes: >> >>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. >>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >>and calling that "moral rape". >> > >It is easy for Sen. Biden to say that when there are no US troops in >Zepa or Srebinica or Sarejevo...  this is true.  >The existing UN policy may certaining be wrong, but the US wants >to dictate policy, and make Europe responsible for the consequences >of that policy..  this has merit but is not entirely true.  >...Bosnia is a big enough problem for the US to preach about what >other countries should be doing with their forces...but its forces >are safely tucked away at home in the US. > >Gerald > this last statement is not true.  According to the CBO the United States has a force of about 88,000 US Army personel in Europe, I do not know if this includes a USMC division in Norway.  They have available a little more than 500 USAF attack aircraft, including various models of the F-111, A-10, F-19A/B,  and a few F-4s. {there are about 1,000 more of these available, SAFELY TUCKED AWAY AT HOME. At one time, the US maintained 1500 MBTs {about half were M1A1} but some of these were relocated to the Persian Gulf.  I know the US has at LEAST one  aircraft carrier battle group nearby and probably a marine assault brigade.  Does anyone know if there are any B-52/B-1Bs in England?  The point is, although there are no US ground troops in Bosnia, it is not true that that all the american forces are safely camped outside of St. Louis.      I also understand that the administration is planning to position troops in Macedonia.  Any reaction out there to this?  Question:  day before yesterday I heard that Serbia & Montenegro had imposed additional trade sanctions against the Bosnian Serb Rebels. This morning a NPR reported at a bridge on the Drina (sp?) verified that only a bread truck was allowed to pass through to Bosnia. A Serbian {who happened to be muslim}, stated that just a few months ago no vehicle even slowed for the boarder station. Now everyone is stopped and searched, many are turned back.  Of course all I heard was a translators version, I do not speak Serbo-Croatian.  If this is a effort on the part of Serbia & Montenegro {for whatever reason} to push the Boserbs into accepting the V-O, is this not a good thing?
In article <khan0095.734814178@nova>, khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: |> One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist" |> is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime |> fundamentalists                                  ^^^^^^^muslim |> but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. |> I wonder what an equal definition would be.. |> any takers..  Well, I would go as far as saying that Naturei Karta are definitely Jewish fundamentalists.  Other ultra-orthodox Jewish groups might very well be, though I am hesitant of making such a broad generalization.
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).  (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5   million Muslim people)   p. 19 (first paragraph)  "The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of  ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same   fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."  p. 130 (third paragraph)  "The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of   the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the   Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian   advance."  p. 181 (first paragraph)  "The Tartar villages were in ruins."   Serdar Argic
hm@cs.brown.edu  writes: > In article <martinb.735590895@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) writes: >  >    Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin >    or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: >  >    There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII >  >    Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. >  >    In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. >  >    People die that is all. No one gets killed. >  >    Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american >    napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. >  >    Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they  >    may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? >  >    What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? >    Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it >    intelligently. >  >    Sincerely yours. >  >    Hassan >  > Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First > of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun > and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians. > The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact, > a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before > the attack was to begin. >  > By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing > was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops. > Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not > attacked with intentions of killing any civilians. >  > To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the > Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The > village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived. >  > Harry. This is such Bullshit.  Deir Yassin was an unprovoked attack on the part of the Jews, and a massacre defines it best in my opinion.  The village of Deir Yassin had had a pact with the Jews, a peace pact, but the Irgun purposely broke this agreement in order to scare off the Palestinians.  I might grant that this village housed armed Arabs [I doubt it] but nothing in the archives and available literature indicates that this was a motivating force amongst the Irgun.  The Deir Yassin MASSACRE was part of an over all strategy to intimidate the Palestinians to flee the Jewish Homeland.,...and contrary to your belief, many civilians were killed.  Deir Yassin was later advertized by the very Jews who perpetrated it because it was useful in getting many Palestinians to leave.  The Palestinians were rightfully scared off, because they did not want another Deir Yassin.   	I'm not necessarily condemning the Israelites here; atrocities were aslo committed on the part of the Arabs. Israelophiles should just be careful in thinking that they are and were the good guys in the middle east.  Both Arab and Jew suck equally.
I appeal to to all of you to show up in Washington DC. this saturday to participate in a peaceful demonstration for the sake of humanity!! This is a  critical point in the history of world and we can make a change otherwise things will not change there in Bosnia.. Rapes/killings/ethnic cleansing will go on as a norm in the days to follow. The UN will get to the towns after the fall of thousands of inocent civilians (like in Zapa just the past weekend!). It happened to the Jews in 1940's, it's happening to the muslims today and who will be the next victim??  Since the Europeans want to remain indifferent in this issue, time has come for US to take a leadership role to stop these crimes against humanity. Time is now and this is for real folks, the people of New England Bosnian Relief Committee seriously believe that Clinton's Adminstration will stop supporting the Bosnian cause without sustained public pressure. I just called Democaratic Sen. John Kerry's office and they are saying that  he (the senator) is waiting for president to take a decision, means that he will wait and  join the band-wagon later if it ever moves!   Please don't rely on others to take part in this demonstration -You as an individual will make a big difference. Bring your families too, not only you will help a great cause but also it will be fun for all. I know of several families from Massachusetts who are travelling friday night to participate there. Contact the local Islamic center or Bosnia relief agency if you want to travel by pre-arranged busses. The best option  for students is to rent-a-car and car-pool. Please, spread the word around...    Regards,  Khalid Chishti   If you live in Massachusetts and want more info:  Call Ginan (from New England Bosnian Relief Committee): 617-623-1973  OR  New England Bosnian Relief Committee phone no:  (617) 464-0111
In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: |> In article <Apr15.175334.72079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:  [.....]  |> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and |> selectively naive.  Oooh... now THAT hurts.  I will not suffer you through more naive and one-sided views of mine.   Please skip my articles in the future Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day.
In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:    In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes:  [DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE [DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe [DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson [DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, [DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of [DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake.  On ground where no monument yet [DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all [DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a [DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false [DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American [DG] members of a minority, sectarian group.  Now, in the deceptive guise of [DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda [DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, [DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America.  [JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first [JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash.  Jake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph to see that it was "bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash". :-)  The article title "THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND  DANGEROUS MISTAKE" should have been enough! :-)  Tsiel
In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>, bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: > >I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that >totally destroys Begin's whitewash.  I have no particular desire >to post it yet again. > >Brendan. >(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au)   You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who can declare "total" victory and then sit back and enjoy the applause.  But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few rigged "quotations" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir Yassin "massacre."  You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding "quotations" that support your preset opinions.  If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that many of the sources of your "quotations" have an axe to grind, and therefore you must be very careful about whom you "quote."  For example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar, and a war hero.  But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of his mouth is gold.  In fact (and here your lack of experience shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts.  But of course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy "quotation" that you can use to attack Israel.  Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a "scholar" when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun.  Don't be fooled. It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an attack on the (then-) Likud government.  If you will look closely at the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence, you will see his "indictment" to be pure hot air.  And this is the BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning evidence.  Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as "scholarly," he is forced to put footnotes.  So you can clearly see that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing.  The Deir Yassin "massacre" never took place as the propagandists tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila "massacres." Do you get the feeling people like to blame the Jews for "massacres," even if they have to make them up?  It must sound spicy.  Even some Jews like to do it, for reasons of their own.  Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin "massacre" stuff with facts or scholarship.  You should stick to Begin's version unless you find something serious to contradict it.
In article <1stk81INNf6q@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> morris-jay@cs.yale.edu (Jay Morris) writes: > >I also understand that the administration is planning to position >troops in Macedonia.  Any reaction out there to this? >  Macedonia said yesterday it had neither requested or needs such forces.    This is sort of like sending the National Guard to Bel Air when the riot is in South Central!  Obviously, Clinton is again trying to make policy for image purposes in America rather than to try to deal with the real problem and assume a share of responsibility for the problem.  He obviously didn't even consult with the Macedonians...he was just looking at the map of the former Yugoslavia for the safest place to put  American troops so he could say to the Europeans...hey, look, we have troops on the ground in the former Yugoslavia too...now let me bomb so I can make it look like I am doing something in the American media.   The problem is that the blue berets in Bosnia are dead meat if Clinton starts bombing, but Clinton doesn't have the courage to ask that the blue berets leave, because then he becomes primarily responsible to the Bosnian policy of the UN and the allies. Clinton wants to have his cake and eat it too...he wants to feel free to use American military power for the sake of domestic US politics and his domestic image, but he doesn't want to assume the primary international leadership role in the UN and among the allies, like Bush, for all his faults, did in the Gulf War... because with leadership comes responsibility, and Clinton seems to want to retain the Europeans as scapegoats.  Clinton wants to leave the Europeans in charge and responsible, but wants to freelance on the side...and if his freelancing gets too hot, he wants to be able to cut and run...the American public may be easily fooled...European leaders aren't.
Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably stupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup.  What are you? - a think tank, or a fish tank?  Every time I start to believe I have seen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one step beyond.  When will it end, man?  Can you actually have brain enough to dress and feed yourself each morning?
In article <HM.93Apr12204254@dooley.cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: > >   steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: >   |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it >   |>    take to kill a 5 year old native child? >   |> >   |> A: Four >   |> >   |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, >   |> and one writes up a false report. >   |> >   |> -- > >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ?  Probably not--he's just singing someone else's opera. He's good, too; perhaps he should get "The Best Supporting Singer..."  I can give you a Q/A account that is well documented (just go back and reread some of the articles that appeared after this "joke"):  Q: How many antisemites does it take to come up with another anti-Israeli    provocation on the net?  A: Just one. He'll fabricate a lie, and many more will applaud  I would much prefer if Mr. Steel would refrain from this kind of jokes in the  future. They're not just offensive. They also have a very negative effect on  the state of things between Jews and Arabs. So thanks for nothing, clown!
In <1993Apr13.070905.26124@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) writes:  >First of all I have to reiterate that your terminology in describing >the events of 1974 are extremely "misleading". Cyprus is NOT occupied >by Turkish forces it was invited by Turkish Cypriots and "intervened"    Oh....I see...I didn't realize this...    I think that perhaps you should print flyers on this topic, and your   reasons for thinking the way you do. You should then distribute them   amongst the world's population. You see, I don't think there are many   people who are aware of this fact. Thank you for telling us the truth.    BTW: I would start by sending your flyers to each of the UN officials. 	   Also, after you have distributed your flyers you might consider        hiding. You see, I think that once more people read what you think        they will have to lock you up in a mental institute; and don't think        they will ever let you out.     It is a strange strange world you live in. I feel sorry for you.  --
In article <1993May12.205519.1480@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > >It is easy for Sen. Biden to say that when there are no US troops in >Zepa or Srebinica or Sarejevo... > >The existing UN policy may certaining be wrong, but the US wants >to dictate policy, and make Europe responsible for the consequences >of that policy... > >...Bosnia is a big enough problem for the US to preach about what >other countries should be doing with their forces...but its forces >are safely tucked away at home in the US. > >Gerald >  Look nobody asked those countries about their UN forces to be on the ground.  They can take their forces which are incomponent and ineffective at the first place.  And let whoever are willing to do the job what it takes.  How anyone can defend this stinking UN force on the ground who let the Bosnnian PM yanked out from the UN vehicle and being shot by the Serbian military?  How anyone can defend this UN force who are just watching the shelling on cities and towns everyday?  How anyone can defend and say those stinking UN forces being effective when Bosnian had almost 14,000 children casualties between 5-14 age  groups?  I think talking about the current UN forces to Bosnian muslims is just an insult to their casualties.     I think Senator Biden said it all what has to be said on this issue. Europe is a sad place to criticize human rights in anywhere in this  world.  Like Biden said, they are the bigots when it comes to  cultural difference and minorty closer to their home. Because they get rid of their minorities long long time ago starting in 15th centuries.  And they let Adolph to take care of the rest in 20th Century.  But he was much more  naughty than they expected because he dared to step many  toes.  So, why spoil the good thing now when Serbs doing today what  they were thinking the same yesterday.
In article <1993Apr16.121356.28417@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: |> I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated |> that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as |> Israel's capital.  According to the article, Mr. Clinton |> reaffirmed this after winning the presidency.  However, |> during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of |> State Christopher stated that "the status of Jerusalem |> will be a final matter of discussion between the parties". |>  |> Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status |> of Jerusalem.  All I want to know is if anyone can  |> authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc. |>   This would be one of the results of "U.S. backed  PEACE!!!!!!" process.  Hamid
In article <Apr26.175327.86241@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: >|>      Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that  >|> 	the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's  >|> 	holding to the security zone.  >|>  >|> Noam > > > >I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point >and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. > >Basil  > Absolutely. I'm sure that civilians on both sides would be pleased if the fighters (military, guerilla, whatever) would just take their argument elsewhere, find an unpopulated area somewhere, and slug it out.   At that point, we will all breath a sigh of relief *and* cheer for our side in the struggle.