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In article <93104.101314FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> FARID <FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> writes:  [FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of  [FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which  [FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the  [FARID] territory of Azerbaijan.   Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting!  [FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will  [FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in  [FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation.   Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and  depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh?  [FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not  [FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will  [FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia.   And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani?  [FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for  [FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present  [FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much  [FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!!   Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828. Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years!   Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from  Karabakh! That will be a real good trick!   [FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb  [FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases  [FARID] regarding the potential of Iran).   So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians.  [FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's  [FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it.   Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are a damn fool, Farid!  [FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a  [FARID] few short years!).   So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well.   [FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only  [FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter  [FARID] indeed.  And the Armenians will take your "peaceful" dropping of an atomic bomb as an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an  Iranian Azeri!   Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978!
>  Brad Hernlem writes... > > > >Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every > >Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral > >bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli > >government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. > > > >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)  To which Mark Ira Kaufman responds: >  >     Your delight in the death of human beings says more about you >     than anything that I could say.  Mark, Were you one of the millions of Americans cheering the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by US forces in 1991? Your comment could also apply to all of them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department)  Peace. -marc
In article <1993Apr15.090735.17025@news.columbia.edu> ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes: >In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:  >>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely >>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril >>well before the Arab invasion.  >How do you define war?  Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages >count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them?  I would hope that if you intend to have a reasonable discussion you might wait until I express an opinion before deciding I should be flamed for it. As for 'war' I am not sure how I would define it. If you just look at attacks on villages then there is no way of deciding when it started. Would you count the riots in the 20's and 30's? Violence but not war. I personally think that 'war', as opposed to civil disturbance or whatever, requires organisation, planning and some measure of regualr or semi-regular forces. Perhaps the Arab Liberation Army counts. I could easily be convinced it was so. From what I know they did not have a great deal of planning let alone organisation. The Haganah and Palmach certainly did. That is not a cause for criticism, it merely reflects the great organisation generally in the 'Zionist' camp.  >Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking.  Now you are being silly aren't you? In any case the war did NOT start with the invasion of the Arab Armies. You see we both agree on something. And the previous posters were wrong, no?  >Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets >against Northern israel.  Where does uprising end and war begin?  Again I am not sure, I doubt you want my opinion anyway, but I think war requires organisation as I said before. It needs a group to command and plan. If Fatah lauches rockets from Southern Lebanon (and are you sure you have the right group - not the Moslems again?) then that sounds like war to me. Stone throwing does not.  Joseph Askew
In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: > >[...] >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel.  Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking his/her sources does not deserve to be believed.  The Gaza strip does not possess the highest population density in the world.  In fact, it isn't even close.  Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly of this statement:  the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area.  The centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, population densities.  Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,...   Need I go on?  The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the truth than this oft-repeated statement is.
In article <1t5bph$dtr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: > >    And, if you are Jewish, you are a self-hating Jew.  There can >    be no doubt of this.    There are doubts about it. Why don't you define what self-hating Jew means? I found the idea itself of being a self-hating Jew to be one of those rediculous things that people repeat and repeat because it seems to have a meaning when in fact it has none. I hope you can come up with a definition in itself and not something like: look at this person, that is a self-hating Jew.  >                       >                      *       *       *       * > >    "Who is a Jew?  A person whose integrity decays when unmoved  >    by the knowledge of wrong done to other people."  >                                                    >                                                   A. J. Heschel >   That is why I get moved when I see the Israeli Army killing people in  the Occupied Territories as much as I get moved when I see a Plestinian stabing people in Israel.
Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:  >2.      Sabri Jiryis: The Arabs in Israel,  Monthly Review Press, >New York, 1976 >3.      Ed. A.W. Kayyali: Zionism, Imperialism and Racism, Croom >Helm, London, 1979 (Writings by Arab, English and American >scholars) >4.      Abdeen Jabara: The Responsibility of the State of Israel >According to its International Commitments; Arab Studies >Quarterly, Spring/Summer 1985, p.27-41 >5.      Ilan Halevi: Zionism Today; Arab Studies Quarterly, >Spring/Summer 1985, p.3-10 >6.      Roselle Tekiner: Jewish Nationality Status as the Basis >for Institutionalized Racism in Israel. The International >Organisation for the Elimination of All Forms of Racial >Discrimination (EAFORD), Washington, 1985 >7.      Dr. W. Mallison and Sally V. Mallison: The Zionist >Organization/Jewish Agency in International and US Law, in Judaism >or Zionism - What Difference for the Middle East; Zed Books Ltd., >London 1986 >8.      John Quigley: Palestine and Israel - A Challenge to >Justice; Duke University Press, Durham, N.C., 1991 >9.      Dr. Uri Davis: IsraelUs Zionist Society - Consequences for >Internal Opposition and the Necessity for External Intervention; >in Judaism or Zionism - What Difference for the Middle East; Zed >Books Ltd., London 1986  I think one only needs to scan Mr. Davidsson's bibliography to see what kind of objective sources he uses.
In article <C6tqAt.Gxp@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes:  >Allegations of Jewish >disrespect for the objects and buildings of other religions are >one of antisemitic stereotypes that permeate western culture, and >rumors of church and Host desacration probably caused more pogroms >than blood libel.   About 2 years ago, there was a lot of noise about a Church in the Old City of Jerusalem being taken over by a Jewish group.  In fact, the building in question was a dormitory that belonged to a church and was  not physically connected to any church.  It had been leased to a Palestinean Arab for 99 years and a Jewish group sub-leased it from him.  The church that owned the building disapproved and legal action was started to revoke the sub-lease.  The media, however, made it look like Jewish vigilantes were stealing Church property in Jerusalem by force.   >The stereotypes that pervade our culture create >cognitive illusions that reify those stereotypes. Therefore any >claim that appears to reify a stereotype should be treated by >decent people with utmost suspicion until and unless documented.  The damage has already been done by the press in the above case.  It is not surprising by now, of course, that many "decent people" regard the press "with utmost suspicion".  >If such a claim is cross-posted to a news group in which it has >not been documented before, such as s.c.j, a reference should be >given the first time it appears.  Now that the claim has been >documented, I regard the whole episode as disgusting and >shameful. Especially so because the official who failed to >provide proper temporary facilities for the evicted Jordanians >was probably Jewish, and as a Jew I know that he should have >known better.  You appear to be referring to Moshe Dayan.  How do you know that the "evicted Jordanians" were not provided with something else?  In fact, this thread indicates that they were squatters on land that they did not own but received compensation for their loss, anyways!  Woe to Jews when they feel that recovering land that has been taken from them by force (with "ethnic cleansing" of any remaining Jews) is "disgusting and shameful".
In article <1t5muj$8vt@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes: >In article <1t5bph$dtr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: >> >>    And, if you are Jewish, you are a self-hating Jew.  There can >>    be no doubt of this.   > >There are doubts about it. Why don't you define what self-hating Jew means? >I found the idea itself of being a self-hating Jew to be one of those >I hope you can come up with a definition in itself...  Try coming up with your own definition of any or all "self-hating" peoples. To me, any who reject their culture to the point where they *only* see the absolute negatives of that culture (generally, or regarding a particular event) and accept *only* those views purely opposing aspects of that culture  (thus, selective belief in and use of historical facts and a complete ignoring of "context" results) "hate" their culture. That certainly describes Elias,  since he has no intention of recognizing that, alongside the Palestinian experience and perspective, there exists also that of Israelis.  >> >>    "Who is a Jew?  A person whose integrity decays when unmoved  >>    by the knowledge of wrong done to other people."  >>                                                   A. J. Heschel > >That is why I get moved when I see the Israeli Army killing people in  >the Occupied Territories as much as I get moved when I see a Plestinian >stabing people in Israel. > >AAP > And, this is precisely why Israeli society has been tremendously harmed by the actions it (its government) has *felt it had to take* in response to an "other" perceived as a threat. Just as with you, there has long  been a strident and emotional debate about the pain Israelis feel when  forced to "balance" desires for survival and moral beliefs. The trauma of having to make that choice is made worse by the fact that neither can be conveniently brushed aside (as a result of a reasoned political debate) for the sake of the other, only reshaped.
In article <C5ztK0.DyI.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >I said: >  In article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >  > >  >  Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement >  >  there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or >  >  (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia.   Non-whites >  >  don't count? > >  Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are >  "oil rich", "loaded with petro-dollars", etc so they don't count. > >...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it >gets.    And why are we in Somalia?   When right across the Gulf of Aden are   some of the wealthiest Arab nations on the planet?  Why does the    US always become the point man for this stuff?   I don't mind us   helping out; but what invariably happens is that everybody expects   us to do most of the work and take most of the risks, even when these   events are occuring in other people's back yards, and they have the   resources to deal with them quite well, thank you.  I mean, it's    not like either Serbia, or Somalia represent some overwhelming   military force that their neighbors can't handle.  Nor are the    logistics a big deal -- it's a lot bigger logistical challenge    to get troops and supplies from New York to Somalia, than from    Saudi Arabia; harder to go from Texas to Serbia, than Turkey or    Austria to Serbia.
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In article <1993Apr19.165514.17138@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: >In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >>   >>             NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 >>   >>           Not because you were too busy but because >>             Israelists in the US media spiked it. >>   >>                      ................ >>   >>   >>                   THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS >>    >>   >>  Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip  >>  during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the  >>  Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. >>   >>  The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of >>  the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for >>  Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and >>  occupied West Bank. >>  If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and  >>  let him know what you think. >>   >>   >>            75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) >>            clintonpz@aol.com         (via America Online) >>            clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) >>   >>   >>  Tell 'em ARF sent ya. >>   >>                   .................................. >>   >>  If you are tired of "learning" about American foreign policy from what is  >>  effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the  >>  Washington Report.  A free sample copy is available by calling the American  >>  Education Trust at: >>                       (800) 368 5788 >>   >>                   Tell 'em arf sent you. >>   >>  js >>   >>   >>  > >I took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report.  I >heartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following  >reasons: > >1.  It is an excellent absorber of excrement.  I use it to line >    the bottom of my parakeet's  cage.  A negative side effect is >    that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast. > >2.  It makes a great April Fool's joke, i.e., give it to someone >    who knows nothing about the middle east and then say "April >    Fools". >
bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:   ... >for your information on Israel.  Since I read both American media >and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody >who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about >Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on.  Of course you never read Arab media,  I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough) and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either a -9 or -10, American leading  newspapers and TV news range from -6 to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis) The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from 0 to -5 (Egyptian)  to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since  they are doing nothing.    >   As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they >are.  Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media >here in America.  But they still report events about which people >here know nothing.  I choose to form my opinions about Israel and >the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American >who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report >on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy.  the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9, while that of the average American would be the same if they do not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers.
dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: >     THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE > >                         by Theodore J. O'Keefe > > [Holocaust revisionism] >  > Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical > Review.  Educated at Harvard University . . .  According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to graduate.  You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated anywhere.
rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....") writes:  >First of all, Harry, I am not so uninformed about Irgun's >TERRORIST activities.  I'll give you a few quotes from a book >by Charles D. Smith in his Palestine and the Arab Israeli >Conflict [1988, 1992]  Ah - Palestine and the Arab Israeli conflict.  Sounds interesting.  >"Begin directed the Irgun to bomb only civilian [that's right, >CIVILIAN] installations linked to the mandatory authority, not >military sites."    This is misleading.  I supposed Charles D. Smith characterizes the bombing of the King David Hotel as a civilian installation too.  Any installation  attacked by Etzel was linked to some sort of official function of the  Mandatory government.  >and of course, there is the LEHI splinter group, which included >such notable Israelis as Yitzak Shamir...  the LEHI [fighters >for the freedom of Israel} "resumed its assassinations of >British officials, CIVILIAN, and military".  What kind of CIVILIANS?  I assume Charles D. Smith means completely innocent people who were intentionally targeted, right?  Please provide examples.  >and there is of course, Dair Yassin, where 250 men, woman and >children were killed,...  perhaps I'm sure for strategic >reasons, yet what ever happened to the non aggression pact with >the Hagana?  I have references for that if you'd like.  It >seems to me like blatant scare tactics that Begin himself >admits to having been very useful in scaring off the >Palestinian Arabs.  [i do have references!... The Revolt(los >angeles 1972)]   Nice strawman.  In _The Revolt_ Begin does state that the *myth* of a massacre at Deir Yassin may have had the effect of scaring some Arabs into fleeing. However, nowhere does he claim that this was the result of any specific policy of the Etzel.  Thus, if it did happen, it was not so intended.  I think Arab  calls for Palestinians to leave and fear of a war started by Arab hands had  a greater effecton Arab migration than Deir Yassin.  In fact these jewish TERRORIST groups managed >all in all to scare off 300, 000 Arabs by may 15 1948.  Really.  Nice use of caps.  I like it.  Very effective.  Actually, according to  many sources, including American diplomatic officials, the greatest encouragment for Arabs to leave their villages came from Arab leaders.  >This certainly might be all a matter of semantics however.  You >might say that the Hagana did this for war...  but like I said >before, how do we not know that the Palestinian conflict isn't >equatable with a war?  If Israel never got her state, the >Hagana's activities would be lost in history, categorized as >tewrrorism for sure because it could not be identified with the >cause of a state.  I do take this seriously Harry...  I >sincerely think the Palestinians are being discriminated >against in this case because, perhaps, everyone thinks their >cause is bogus.    >Anyway...  just some stuff to ponder over. >Over and out.  >Ramiro