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maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:  >In <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:  >>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3.  Can someone who is not >>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >>Gilmour).  If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >>Red Wings win?  >Ah yes.  California.  Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that >Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired >San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston?  Apparently Montana is not only >coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be >expected to quarterback the powerplay.  Good comeback, Rog.  Your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone.
In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes: > >	Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an  >impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden.   I believe that was 4-1.  Rod Brind-Amour scored at 19.59 of the third.  > >Kevin White >white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca    --
"William K. Willis" <ww1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:  >Richard Wernick writes:  ><stuff deleted> ... If the Bruins get to meet Pittsburgh in the near >future, you can bet Neely will have his day.  The sight of watching Ulf >turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a Stanley >Cup. ... <stuff deleted>  How much do you watch and follow hockey?  The Pens and Bruins will be in the same division next season, which will give Neeley plenty of opportunity to whine about Ulf. >     All I can say is, I'm glad that you are satisfied with seeing Ulf >"turtle up" as a substitute for the Stanley Cup, because that's as close >as the Bruins are going to come to the Stanley Cup for a while.
In <1993Apr5.182124.17415@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:  >Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes:  >>But I think the reason is Lemieux >>had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and >>Ross since 1980.  People turned out to watch him play.   >I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks.  >But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase  >will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking >one.  Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support >them.  If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you'd have knee surgery >for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon.    I disagree.  McNall has demonstrated with Gretzky that a star brings out the crowds whether or not the team is expected to do well.  Very few fans real- istically expect the Kings to do well this year (although I do) and yet they still go out to see Gretzky.  This is the marketing strategy - selling the game by selling the stars - that is employed by Baseball and, notably, the NBA and this is the attitude that the new Bettman/McNall leadership is  bringing to the league.  They have gone on record as stating that they are trying to sell the game on its stars.  Timo Salami and Brett Hull are perfect  examples of players that real fans know aren't worth a damn and yet, being benificiaries of marketing-oriented coaching strategies, have goal totals that would indicate to the casual observer, the very fans the NHL wants to attract, that these players are indeed superstars.  >>They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is  >>true.  But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing >>this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team. >>A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year.  An >>increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that.  The arrival >>of Mario Lemieux is what did it.   >It might help to think about what would go through a fan's mind who suddenly >found an interest in Mario and the Pens.  Was it "gee, Mario Lemieux is >amazing, I'll go watch him play", or was it "gee, now we've got a *kick* >*ass* guy on *our* side, I'll go watch him play".  I think it was the latter.  It ain't nearly so simple as this.  The casual fan doesn't think about much  at all.  Can you actually find an adult with a 3 digit IQ who believes that McDonalds makes good hamburgers?   >I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the  >CFL...did you leave it out because you don't know much about the CFL?  If  >that's the case then fair enough, but if it isn't the case then I'm curious >to hear your explanation.  Yes but apparently the Rocket has not lived up to his marketing responsi- bilities has he?  He was hyped, initially, as a superstar, but outside of one Grey Cup game he has done very little to maintain/enhance that assess- ment of his talents.  Most Argo fans probably feel the team would be better off without him.   cordially, as always,  rm
In article <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city.  Well, actually now that you mention it, a few weeks ago the CBC ran a documentary on "Ice Hockey in Harlem".  the Canadian Club of New York (something like that) sponsors a league for kids in Harlem and based on the TV report they all seemed to be having a lot of fun.  All playing with regular equipment, jerseys, etc etc, on a proper outdoor rink.  It looked just like kids playing hockey anywhere else.
In article <1993Apr6.172313.29469@wam.umd.edu> giant@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (Thundarr) writes: >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who >would you prefer to have?  And how about >Tyler Larter?  What ever happened to him??  	You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious.
plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes:  >In article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca> boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: >>	Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the >>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage?  When I flipped >>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even.  My question >>is:  Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the  >>ABC coverage for its own? >>  >Yes, it's called simulcast.  In Canada, when a Canadian station and an  >American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or >Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American >station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials >of any television.  What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same >ones we've seen for that last year or so.  I'm in Edmonton, and while that's usually (or at least OFTEN) the case, here we were "treated" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings/Flames game.  I'm with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is a poor commentator, and not just for hockey.  Normally, if the Oilers were still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to  the radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing.
Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put win as first in a tie breaker......
In article <91548@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >>>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself.  Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >>>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >>>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >>>> jokes:-)! >>> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... >>If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the >>origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. > >	What about his rectum?  It's bad jokes like that which draws crohns, I mean groans from the crowd... Don't bother looking it up in the appendix, it's useless anyway.           Just one more word of advice...  If you go to a Miami game, stay away from any foods made with "natural casings"  :) --
In article <C5K9E8.M3@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:  >Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and >leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever >hear of him? :)  They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :)  True, coach Matikainen is ready to keep a spot for Teemu all the way until the medal games. He wants Teppo Numminen, too. And Kurri, but for them the spots cannot be left open for too long. Esa Tikkanen we have already.   Even without these players I think we have pretty good team. Young, hungry, talented guys, no old players that have got everything (except the gold). Yesterday's practise game, SWE-FIN 6-6, shows that the two world's best hockey teams ;) are in prime shape.  The Finn line Riihijarvi(slightly injured)-Saarikoski-Viitakoski shined. I bet these two teams are the best in the NHL, too. Roger, Roger?  What do you people think about Team Canada with Lindros, Brind'Amour, Burke, Ranford, Recchi, Dineen...? Can they beat the Finns:?  Coaching news:   	       Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified),                 Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, 	       Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks                                               (assistant coach), 	       Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien)
In article <1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: |> In article <AfnKOVK00UhB01RDtJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: |> > 	<kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> |> > NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu |> > In-Reply-To: <kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> |> >  |> > from Anna Matyas: |> >>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it |> >>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... |> >>>  |> >>>Gerald |> >>  |> >>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they |> >>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of |> >>misconducts? |> >>  |> >>And this comes from a Chelios fan... |> >  |> > Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 |> > minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the |> > best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I |> > could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) |> >  |> > Ralph |>  |> >HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? |>  |> 	I.Mario Lemieux |> 		A.Death |> 			1.Too much Kimo |> 			2.Slash to skull |> 			3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) |> 	II.Jaromir Jagr |> 		A.Deportation |> 			1.Send him back to whatever Commie country  |> 			  he's from |> 			2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too |> 	III.Kevin Stevens |> 		A.Fighting |> 			1.Call Bob Probert |> 			2.Call Tie Domi |> 			3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) |>    Since everybody wants to see Pittsburgh players not playing, the Stanley cup would be devaluated.  --  _____________________________________________________    Iskander AYARI
NJ> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been  traded,   NJ> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any  other  NJ> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated.       Mike Foligno was captain of the Buffalo Sabres when he was traded to Toronto.
>The shirts are believe or not from a Bob Probert line of clothes. >The whole shirt says "Give Blood - Fight Probie".   Cool.  They sound like a cult classic.  Can someone post a address or phone # of a store that sells these?  Thanks,
Gerald Olchowy writes:  >Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant >in my opinion), is a terrible >analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example >being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. >  >I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew >did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't >any Dick Irvin. >  >As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or >the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day.  Personality means something to me.  That is exactly why I like Clement (and Emrick).  On the other hand, JD is a pompous, bull-headed, arrogant know-it-all.  He's a real turn-off (which is exactly what I do when he's on).  One complaint I do have about Clement is that he sometimes talks too much.  If I wanted that I'd listen to Tim McGarver doing a baseball game.
In article 1676@mala.bc.ca, apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes: >>  >> To adjust +/-: >>  >> 1. First calculate a teams +/-.  (Goals Scored - PP Goals Scored) - >> (Goals allowed - PP Goals Allowed (when they were penalty killing)). >>  >> 2.  Divide this number by 5 to take into account of the fact that there >> are 5 players on the ice and each is 1/5 responsible for the team +/-. >>  >> 3.  A players adjusted +/- is (His raw +/-) - (Team Adjustment). >>  >> BTW  If anyone could calculate and post adjusted +/- ratings it would be >> greatly appreciated.  I might find the time to do so- but don't count on >> it. > >I have a database filter set up for the player stats.  When it is posted for >the end of season I'll repost the team averages.  You don't need to go through >the complicated team adjustment you are using - all you need is the team >average by summing all the individual players' +\- and divide by the total >number of players on the team.  This will be a little distorted because the >players who have been traded recently will have come with +\- scores based >on their original teams.  This shouldn't distort it too bad though.  If you >want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead - >you'll require the original player stats though.  Question: If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- by 40?  If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally valuable as a player who plays in all of them.  >Another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from >the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team. >I'll post both.  Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how  "transferable" between teams that these stats are.  Shouldn't the average standard deviation in the league be used?  I am interested in seeing each method. But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity.
In article <C5suH3.3q0@tsegw.tse.com> mhembruc@tsegw.tse.com (Mattias Hembruch) writes: >>hell is Anderson?  Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples >>skin.  Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole. >>He used to be good at it.  We need him now.   > >Agreed. Anderson was nowhere last night. >  Well what do you expect...Burns was playing him with Krushelnyski and Baumgartner...Anderson is a finisher...unless you play him with someone to can get him the puck in a finishing position...he ain't going to do much scoring!
Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote: : It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with : another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time : of the players involved.      : To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd...  : Gerald  Thank you for putting this in perspective!
Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far.  There are at least 40 entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993!  In the interest of fairness, since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks, so that you all won't cry "rigged" after I declare myself the winner.  Here they are:   	Series			Your Pick		Games     Division Semifinals  Pittsburgh-New Jersey		Pittsburgh		5 Washington-NY Islanders	NY Islanders		6  Boston-Buffalo			Boston			5 Quebec-Montreal			Quebec			7  Chicago-St. Louis		Chicago			4 Detroit-Toronto			Detroit			6  Vancouver-Winnipeg		Winnipeg		7 Calgary-Los Angeles		Calgary			7     Division Finals  Patrick				Pittsburgh		6 Adams				Quebec			7 Norris				Chicago			7 Smythe				Calgary     Conference Finals  Wales				Pittsburgh		5 Campbell			Chicago			4   Stanley Cup winner		Pittsburgh		6  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
(Detroit, April 21)  Most knowledgable observers once again watched in shock as the Detroit Red Wings again beat the best goaltender in the world six times en route to  another easy victory over the best team in the NHL.   For the best goaltender in the world, Felix Potvin, six was a bad number as he surrendered six goals and collected six minutes in penalties in reponse to the goon tactics employed by the inferior Red Wings team.   								Alan
In <1993Apr16.015936.11303@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:  >>>Good for you.  You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>>course, but to each his own... >>  >>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a >>function of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an >>opinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >>means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better.  >To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious.  Your >hockey education is not my responsibility.   Just curious, Roger, but since you have such a vast knowledge of the game and the league, how come you haven't made a living out of it? There must be a lot of demand for expertise in the field. I'm sure you'd be of great help to, say, the Leafs as an assistant coach or a scout. Or maybe try a career as a reporter or tv commentator...   I might be wrong, of course, and you already have.
In article <allan.734333484@swanlake>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: > slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >  >>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had >>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL >>goalies.  They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, >>and the designs that are put on them, etc. >  >>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. >>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking  >>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix >>Potvin, but he never said whose it was. >  > Are you sure this program was current? I know that Grant Fuhr > had a black panther on the forehead of his mask when he played with > the Leafs.   It would seem logical that the mask is Potvins. His nickname is "The Cat",  which would go a long ways towards explaining the panther.   Of course, it could be an old story and the mask is Fuhrs, too.....
In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: > >I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the >coverage.  I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage >of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting >back to the puck. > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!).  My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers."  (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > >Mom.    I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series:  Show the shots, not the hits.  On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot.  They panned back to show the rebound.  Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more  experienced.
In article <1993Apr14.235849.15397@amc.com> richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) writes: >The bottom line is the Bruins are the better team this year. >Montreal fans have been screaming for years that their beloved Canadiens deserve >another cup. Since the removal of the French Canadien rule, they have been screaming >foul. Welcome to league parity, something the rest of the league has had for years. >Even if the Habs do beat Boston in the playoffs, they won't get by the Pens. >I do agree with you, Boston is the more taleneted team. >  The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that period.  The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a level playing field.
rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:  >In article <115331@bu.edu>, icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: >|>  >|> 	The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; >|> it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell >|> the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This >|> community >|> has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. >|> The >|> teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to >|> try >|> to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language >|> tv and radio coverage? >|>   >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.
All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play captain-Stevens.  Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see for yourselves.
In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes: >>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >>being traded to Pittsburgh.  Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them.  They rotate the A's during the >>season (and even the C while Mario was out).  Even Troy Loney has worn the C >>for the Pens. >  I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that Darryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the "C" off his jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he was traded to the Flyers.  Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before he was traded wasn't he?
It's over - the Sabres came back to beat the Bruins in OT 6-5 tonight to sweep the series. A beautiful goal by Brad May (Lafontaine set him up while lying down on the ice) ended it. Fuhr left the game game with an injured shoulder and Lafontaine was banged up as well; however, the Sabres will get a week's rest so injuries should not be a problem.  Montreal edged Quebec 3-2 to square their series, which seems to be headed for Game 7. The Habs dominated the first two periods and were unlucky to only have a 2-2 tie after 40 minutes. However, an early goal by Brunet in the 3rd won it.  The Islanders won their 3rd OT game of the series on a goal by Ray Ferraro 4-3; the Caps simply collapsed after taking a 3-0 lead in the 2nd. The Isles' all-time playoff OT record is now 28-7.