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In article <C702E4.B4A@ecf.toronto.edu> srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS) writes:  >>>My reference is a 4 page essay in our local Star Tribute newspaper >>>putting the whole conflict in perspective. I will readily admit >>>that I am no authority in this area; however, other posteers  >>>asserted that *some* Muslims did join hands with Croats and >>>Nazis in persecuting Serbs. In any case, past actions do not >> >>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from >>an unnamed source? You may indeed be confusing *some* Muslims  >>with Nazi Armenians. Altogether 30,000 Nazi Armenians served in  >>various units in the German Wehrmacht, according to Ara J. Berkian.  >>14,000 in predominantly Armenian army units, 6,000 in German army  >>units, 8,000 in various working units and 2,000 in the Waffen-SS.[1]  >amazing! how the discussions change from one topic to another :)  I really disagree with you. But maybe you know better. Here is the  issue at hand:        'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'       (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy),            "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)    "The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination    of the Muslim population in Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag,    Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the    extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government    during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."                   (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992)                     "Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against   Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic   of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan,   are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide    perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the   Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these   lands."         (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992)   Serdar Argic
In article <1993Apr27.011549.7010@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali writes:  [HAMID] Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been  [HAMID] killed by Israel  during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?  Does anybody know how many Jews, Arabs, Christians and others have died  in terrorist attacks and wars over these 45 years due to Arab rhetoric and  rejectionism? The number is probably close to 100,000 at least.  All these lives wasted because the ARABS did not accept the PARTITION PLAN  in 1947.  Tsiel
Joachim Martillo writes > >What a dope!  There is no value for Mohammed Elabdellaoui to be here >at a Western University.  Third-worldist and Islamic brain-rot has >made it impossible for him to acquire and analyze facts appropriately. > > >Yes, the typical primitive Muslim psychopathological psychotic >behavior upon hearing or reading a disagreeable fact -- start whining >about the Jews.  What a jerk. > >You should go back to your mindlessly stupid 3rd world country.  Your >brain has no business in a civilized first world country. > >Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami  If you were to substitute the word "Jew"/"Jewish" in this posting where you   see the word "Muslim"/"Islamic", switch Joachim and Mohammed's names around,   and then repost this, you would get a flood of messages attacking the author   as an anti-semite. And rightly so. The author of this crap is a racist, pure   and simple. He obviously has no qualms about being open with it, either,   unlike some other Arab- and Mulsim-bashers on the Net.   Now, I for one, am not going to look at Joachim's posting and infer from it   that all Jews think this way. Sure, there might be some, but this view is not   a part of Judaism, and it is stupid to believe that all Jews' minds are this   twisted. However, some Muslims might look at Joachim's flame as a   reaffirmation of their worst fears about Jews: that they all hate Arabs and   are racists.  For this reason, I am alarmed that not more Jews on the Net have spoken out   against what Joachim has said. They have the chance to possibly change the   anti-semitic views of some people on the net, to show them that all Jews do   *not* hate all Arabs and Muslims, just like all Muslims do *not* hate all   Jews. Yet they are missing that chance. Remember, to many people, silence   implies consent.  Peace. --
In article <1qmr5qINN5af@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:  >The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does >not run through the buffer zone.  The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan >but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been >no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to >climatic changes in rainfall.  What did you have to go and bring THAT up for?  Now they're going to say that Israel is stealing the RAIN, too....
In article <C5vBtK.F3@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes... >In article <22APR199300513566@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>>Are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is/was >>>Yugoslavia, including Bosnia, which guarantees massive military >>>superiority of Serbian forces and does not allow the Bosnians to >>>try to defend themselves?  >>Should we sell weapons to all sides, or just the losing one, then? >  >Ending an embargo does not _we_ must sell anything at all.  Right.  We'll probably end up giving them weapons.  >>If the Europeans want to sell weapons to one or both sides, they are welcome >>as far as I'm concerned. >  >You seem to oppose ending the embargo.  You know, it is difficult for Europeans >to sell weapons when there is an embargo in place.  During WWII, the British managed to supply arms to the Yugoslavs despite German occupation.  If the Europeans had the will to do anything besides sponsoring peace conferences, they would have no problem putting any kind of weapon they wanted into Bosnia.  I guess I would favor ending the embargo if the Congress would pass a law forbidding export of US military supplies to Yugoslavia, including via third parties.  Until then the risks of the US being drawn into a more active role would be too great.  I do not see the arms embargo as a major factor in the outcome of the war.  >>I do not automatically accept the argument that Bosnia is any worse than >>other recent civil wars, say Vietnam for instance.  The difference is it is >>happening to white people inside Europe, with lots of TV coverage. >  >But if this was the reason, and if furthermore both sides are equal, wouldn't >all us racist Americans be favoring the good Christians (Serbs) instead >of the non-Christians we really seem to favor?  Both sides are certainly not equal in the eyes of the press.  And that's about all we have to go on, isn't it?    And I wish you'd quit hurling words like racist around.  There are many levels at which people react to what they see.  At the most fundamental level, you do not have to consciously recognize the racial element - you simply tend to empathize more with people who are like yourself.  As far preferring Christian over Moslem, I am an atheist myself, and I think you'll agree that in the US, the majority of people do not typically discriminate on the basis of religion, nor give it a particularly important place in their world view.
In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:     Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?    ------------------------------------     While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they    repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and    attempt to starve the Gazans.     [...]  Elias should the families of the children who were stabbed in their high school by a Palestinian "freedom fighter" be the ones who offer their help to the Gazans. Perhaps it should be the families of the 18 Israelis who were murdered last month by Palestinian "freedom fighters".  The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help these wnderful "freedom fighters" attain this ultimate goal.  Maybe the "freedom fighters" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.  You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.
In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: |>      Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that  |> 	the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's  |> 	holding to the security zone.  |>  |> Noam    I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians.
In article <1993Apr16.225409.22697@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a >KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: > >[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. > >I am your alter-ego! > >[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? > >No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me?   Maybe he will. Maybe he is working for the secret Turkish service. You never  know.   >[KAAN]  I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit.  > >In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like   No it is still called "you are full of shit"; even in the US.:)  >[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying "DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!"... > >No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to >bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me?  Well, now you have. Don't worry Turks do not turn to terrorist actions like Armenians have so you can be sure that you will not be killed. However, I  do not know about the torture part... Timucin sounds like a tough guy so  watch out.   >[KAAN] See ya in hell.. > >Wrong again! > >[KAAN] Timucin. > >All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was >so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place! >Don't kill the messenger!   If you are going to translate, you have to do it consistently. If you  selectively translate things to serve your ugly purpose, people get  pisssssssssed offfffff.   In Ottoman times messengers were usually killed by cutting their heads off and sending it back to their country. But Ottoman empire no longer exists :(.  (darn!)
In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion  had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of Dro  (the butcher) who is the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5  million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council  was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was  recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily  formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the  principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the  Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination  of the Jews.  This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.   Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)  (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5   million Muslim people)  p. 184 (second paragraph)   "I had received further very definite information of horrors that   had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as    I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their    treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from    Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not    be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their    troops being without discipline and not under effective control,    atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should    with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."   Serdar Argic
I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.
(mohamed.s.sadek) writes: > >I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate. > >Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans  >and calling that "moral rape". > >He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY"  Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of ethnic cleansing but just another chapter in the continuing saga of intense mutual hatred, destruction,... Not taking sides in this perpetual war does not amount to religious bigotry. It could just be helplessness with regards to bringing peace to a region that does not even know the meaning of the word.  Satya Prabhakar
In article <C5y86J.6Hs@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:  >Then repeat everything I said before with the word "race-related"  >substituted for "racist".  All that changes is the phrasing; complaining  >that I used the wrong word is a quibble.  Well, your Armenian grandparents were fascist. As early as 1934, K. S.  Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians          'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]  At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before the outbreak of the Second World War.  In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted in the 'Hairenik Weekly:'   "The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall   see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations  and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to  the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are  strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.  On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is  bereft of social sanctities."[2]  [1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press    1934), Preface. [2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our    Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.   Serdar Argic
In article <1483500350@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:  >It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested >who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige.  Trumpets, please.  >My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My >mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables' >(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go >to Palestine due to many  cynical factors.   "Forced to go to Palestine."  How dreadful.  Unlike other undesirables/Jews, she wasn't forced to go into a gas chamber, forced under a bulldozer, thrown into a river, forced into a "Medical experiment" like a rat, forced to march until she dropped dead, burned to nothingness in a crematorium.  Your mother was "forced to go to Palestine."  You have our deepest sympathies.  >I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago)   We are pleased to hear of your escape.  At least you won't have to suffer the same fate that your mother did.  >and met many people who were thrown out from >my homeland, Palestine,   Your homeland, Palestine?    >because of the same reason (they belonged to >the 'indesirables').   Should we assume that you are refering here to Jews who were kicked out of their homes in Jerusalem during the Jordanian Occupation of East Jerusalem?  These are the same people who are now being called thieves for re-claiming houses that they once owned and lived in and never sold to anyone?  >These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem >with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare >not Jews.   I have never heard of NOT being a Jew as a crime.  Certainly in Israel, there is no such crime.  In some times and places BEING a Jew is a crime, but NOT being a Jew??!!  >My conscience does not accept such injustice, period.   Our brains do not accept your logic, yet, either.  >My >work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism >and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices >in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based >on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism >from Israel.   The way you've written this, you seem to accept criticism in the Arab world UNLESS it deflects criticism from Israel, in which case, we have to presume, you no longer support criticism of the Arab world.  >The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal.  Look who's taling about discrimination now!  >The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities >undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command >the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal >institution and works with minimal funds.  Be careful.  You are starting to sound like Barfling.  >Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published  >several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe. > >I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in >a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful.  Good.  Don't call yourself "ARF" or "the Center for Policy Research", either.
In article <Apr27.180942.41402@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:  [BH] Tsiel,  [BH] I would contend that there was shelling from both sides of the border, [BH] starting from the early 70's.  Certainly the PLO did shell Northern [BH] Israel from the Arqoub region, but Israel did much more shelling [BH] destroying several South Lebanese villages.  At the very least [BH] we can say that both sides exchanged shelling, with occasional [BH] aerial raids by Israel on Lebanese villages. [BH] In any case Steve's characterization that the 1982 invasion was only in  [BH] response to years of shelling from Lebanon is false.  Israel had [BH] many reasons for invading but mainly it did so to install a government [BH] in Lebanon favorable to Israel, and it nearly achieved this aim [BH] with the election of Basheer El Gemayel, and his brother, Amin [BH] El Gemayel, but the internal situation in Lebanon was too hard [BH] to control and predict so Israel had to withdraw, and Amin El Gemayel [BH] had to abrogate the 17 th of May Agreement.  Basil,  I was only correcting Steve's statement that Geurillas were shelling Israel from the Golan, which was absurd. The fact that "Israel did much more shelling" was in response to Palestinian shelling from Lebanon. Israel has no intention of keeping an inch of Lebanese territory. Israel will continue to fight Hizbullah, PLO, FPLP etc. as long as its northern border is not quiet. If the Lebanese army can control these  elements then I think we can see genuine peace on the Israel-Lebanese border. I remind you that a couple thousand Lebanese cross each day into Israel to  work. As for the election of Bashir Gemayel, it is true that he was favorable to Israel, is that why the Syrians killed him? His brother Amin was a Syrian  puppet, if he had not been, he would have been dead by now.  Tsiel
It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died  of a heart attack in Ankara.
In Turkish Genocide Apology <9304261739@zuma.UUCP> as scribed by its servile dolt sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) we read a response to article <1993Apr26. 175246.24412@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) who wrote:  [EP] This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net.  The [EP] statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand [EP] Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads [EP] during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen.    [(*] In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish [(*] genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret  [(*] Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired [(*] important intelligence about the Soviets. His experience with [(*] the Turkish genocide in x-Soviet Armenia made him an invaluable  [(*] source for the Germans.[2]  What a fool! For the above to be true, [which it is not] the WWI Russian General Dro must have worked from his grave to assist x-Soviet Armenia. Soviet Armenia became ex-Soviet Armenia in 1991 and Dro died in 1958! Then Dro would have to travel back in time, while dead, from 1991 to WWII to help Nazi Germany!
In article <1993Apr5.202800.27705@wam.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes: |> In article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA   |> (Ilyess Bdira) writes: |> > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many |> > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more |> > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? |> G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the   |> Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab   |> absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase   |> from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the   |> partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of   |> defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. |>  |> *** |> > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of |> > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? |> First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the   |> idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since,  however, I agree with those who   |> claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West   |> bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion    			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is very funny. Anyway, suppose that in fact israel didnot ATTACK jordan till jordan attacked israel. Now, how do you explain the attack on Syria in 1967, Syria didnot enter the war with israel till the 4th day .  By the way it is funny that you are implying that the reason behind 1967 by israel was only to capture Sinai, egypt !
In article <1993Apr27.005619.8351@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:     >  This is actually the law that David Irving    > will hopefully be found guilty under due to his denial of the Holocaust.    > It's too bad that this useless "Centre for Policy Research" isn't in Canada.    > It'd set a nice precedent to how the law applies in Cyberspace.    >     >   Steve  	   Well canada is wrong. If it was in the US the ACLU would have    made sure that such repressive laws are found unconstitutional.    Do you think the Church didn't find Galileo's perception of the    universe offensive.   Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow hateful sppech whose only purpose is to stir anger and violence.