yeah yeah and i one of the problems with the Lotus database was uh that it was uncontrolled access to who would have that information i mean they said they would give it out to only select companies but uh you know just like software is only given out to customers i mean you can't believe that  it would it would be pirated and they wouldn't bother to check that carefully anyway to someone who's offering
The Lotus database didn't feel like it would be secured as it could easily be pirated.