a yes it's early and the timing might be a coincidence but until there is contrary evidence the timing says all to me they posted once and only once about an hour after my ani and attendant fyi on their talk page presumably they posted saw my comment and vamoosed the deal was sealed when an official arbcc notice went on their talk page a couple hours later they've been silent ever since there could be another explanation but per occam's razor i will need other evidence to think the ani i filed was not the determining factor b as for consensus that certainly applies to discussions of sources and text only jj was needlessly agreeing with the assessment that another editor is too uneducated on the issue to contribute which certainly appeared to be true but in my experience it's ineffective laborious and unpleasant for lots of other would be editors when we approach such things by attacking wp randy directly instead of giving him the rope to hang himself through foccing and dr c finally stephan you're an ed that ranks among the highest on my respect o meter so i hesitate to challenge you with this but here goes you scolded me for discussing behavior on the article talk page jj was talking about behavior on the article talk page did you scold him or only me he was agreeing with you after all so i was just wondering if the goose and gander are in the same boat here in my closing here unless something new comes up wp foc wp foc wp foc wp foc i ain't gonna apologize for complaining when jj does not do that and i very well may complain formally if he does not stop since i believe in prevention not punishment it would be of more help perhaps if you try to mentor him also since my efforts have run out of patience maybe fresh blood would help especially in terms of that consensus you were just speaking about whether he accepts any advice you offer is up to him but i stand by my opinion he needs it