nicholas v r mess page was just fine and dandy a couple days ago until someone decided to delete the info ther and replace it with a totall different nicholas' information the following is convo convo nicholas van rensselaer thanks for you addition now if you were able to find info on a philip p van rensselaer i'd clean out your garage for free p you're welcome philip doesn't seem to be in the appletons' article so i doubt i will run across him and will have to leave the garage in its present miserable shape ooop i took a closer look unfortunately this family had a bent for recycling names as a result i started a rage and transferred what info you added to that page nicholas van rensselaer lol there was no rage but a page i did start p a move would have been more appropriate wikipedia isn't a genealogy site i would say the dreadfully obscure van rensselaers should just remain notes on their parents' pages and i think the disambiguation more properly belongs on the obscure fellow so i added a disambiguation to the obscure fellow and repaired the links and orphaned talk page that resulted from a copy being used instead of a move there may be one or two links you have made to nicholas van rensselaer that now need to be sent to nicholas van rensselaer soldier two days ago neither nicholas had a page with me so far i made one for a revolutionary soldier then you come along totally deface it with info on a reverend without even bothering to look at dates or anything so i repaired you mistake and you turn right back around and screw it all back up without any regard to my having links to it and all i thought you liked trying to help people and you are hijacking articles ok i actually made a real disambiguation page hopefully we can both be satisfied with the ordinary style rather than trying to force me into changing links on other pages to fit in an out of the ordinary style