thank you i just wanted to thank you very much for you input in the ani discussion about vocal ranges it is a very frustrating issue because it affects literally thousands of articles you are the first person in the dicussion to understand and address some of the big concerns i have about what tribal is doing the problem is so widespread now because it involves so many articles that i don't even know where to begin to try to get the mess cleaned up i'm sure her initial intentions were good when she thought it would be a good idea to put singers' vocal ranges into their articles but when editors started reverting over and over again and she kept reverting back she obviously realized there was a problem i can't get her to understand that even though a particular fact can be sourced doesn't mean it's worthy of being included in a wikipedia article however many most of her sourcing fails the reliability test since this involves a huge number of articles and not just a couple articles how do you get tribal to stop doing this in articles again thanks for your great comments