i did request an unblock jpgordon declined it and from what i recall here and there he's a pretty stand up guy so what else is there to do pull a nutty and put a big wall of text on the top of my user page about the evil admins and rant n' rave about the block and them at every opportunity in various venues the similarities between that example and anyone who we all may or may not know round here is purely coincidental of course i see the an i now did not notice it before if someone wants to reduce it sure i'd be accepting if not ob la di ob la da thanks for the msg and to brothejr too