hello alun thank you for your contribution can i put two points to you firstly in relation to editing against consensus to answer yes it is possible to edit against consensus people like me stand on my own two feet stand up to scrutiny stand up to debate and discussion stand up to a weight of opinion against me and stand behind my name and only my name each time i weigh in with my opinion it is my belief that many others however employ sockpuppets to corroborate and support their point of view which in my view is a very cowardly and dishonourable method of argeing one's point this is the reason why you can edit against consensus because if there was a stipulation against it the victim of the stipulation would employ the use of sockpuppets i'm sure there are some contributors on here who employ them e g velela mrs trellis vashti stemonitis my nd point concerns the verifiable source issue i should not have to provide verifiable source as an alternative to the one provided if i do not subscribe to the verifiability of the source provided to support the supposition that wales is known for its' musicla heritage etc thank you