interestingly we disagree on the part of your assessment of lovemonkey that starts with on the other hand curiously i would generally apply that assessment much more to esoglou than to lovemonkey you've probably missed this but neither phatius nor i have asserted esoglou is innocent of the charges i haven't looked at your edits in close detail but what i've seen does look troubling and worth a closer look i expect phatius has looked more closely and he seems to think there are some issues with esoglou's conduct it's almost as if we've jumped past the trial and moved to the sentencing phase where phatius and i are pleading leniency on the basis of redeeming qualities and extenuating circumstances as for the focus on lovemonkey and i know you disagree with my view on this my attitude is that if wikipedia can put up with lovemonkey it can put up with ten esoglous