for the moment i have removed the introductory comment and left the original statement i'll just remind you of all the christmas creches which depict the shepherds and the magi together all the paintings which do the same the comments here of people who cannot accept the scholarly opinion that matthew has joseph living in bethlehem only to move to nazareth at the end of the narrative i don't understand how a person will work through issues when they have successfully erased the material one needs to be constructive to make progress on wiki not destructive it is the dialog which allows progress if a person doesn't want to enter into a constructive dialog then it doesn't matter how one proceeds so how about it carl bunderson can you be constructive on the issue control