howie payne hi keith d i would like to protest the changes made by user and subsequent locking of the page by yourself thus protecting his recent subbmissions i have reverted the changes revisions made by this user several times due to lack of references and dubious pov submissions the user was contacted and referred via previous talk message pages to point out explain this but despite this continued to revise the page without providing references for the changes submitted as you have now locked the page with these incorrect unreferenced submissions in place i would implore you to re evaluate the submissions made by user and act accordingly i will go into detail here in the hope it may help resolve some the issues with the edits submitted by user i see no reason to now have references to support the spelling of a name that has not been contested one of which is a pay site and another that contains a personal address user claims i have been changing the spelling of the name here despite his her addition of references a quick look will show i have been removing the references for matters outlined above but have not in any way changed the spelling of the name here the reference to payne's involvement in the stands has been changed from a full length interview with payne about the stands in a national publication designer magazine to review of a solo concert written years after payne's discontinuation of the group for a local fanzine that briefly introduces payne as a former member of the stands before reviewing a solo performance payne emigrating to us at age no reference edgar jones's commitment to paul weller being the reason for the break up of the big kids no reference also jones was no longer playing with paul weller at the time of the big kids break up winter the information regarding pilgrim and thomson's departure and the subsequent demise of the group as a result of this is wholly misleading pilgrim left the stands in december and was replaced by graham robinson in january the stands then releaesed the single do it like you like which entered the uk to at no and was used on the worldwide revelon london look campagihn featuring kate moss the stands then toured with oasis during both their europian tour luke thompson left the stands in june and was replaced by paul molloy the stands released horse fabulous in july played glastonbury v festival t in the park an oasis uk stadium tour and a headline tour before howie payne released a statement to say he was discontinuing the stands in nov all of this plus the fact that the bands label echo records was dissolved by chrysalis during august is available on the stands dedicated wiki page to sum this up as user has done is totally miss leading and not based in fact regarding payne's solo career the new piece mentions payne spending time in texas and los angeles with neither relevance or reference there is a further edit regarding payne's name spelling and the submission implies there is a miss spelling or changed spelling as the only documents that are can decicivly prove the spelling of a persons birth name are birth certificate and passport and none are provided here i will reserve judgement on this but i do think describing the spelling of elliot as here as standard is ridiculous there are at least popular spellings of the ame elliott elliot eliot eliott elyott and it would seem the most popular is elliott i do not wish to appear to be pedantic regarding this but as this is typical of the caviler way user has applied vague guesswork and then claimed them facts to the page in question and has accused me of changing his her referenced submissions which is clearly not the case i hope that as a long standing contributor to wikipeidia you can see that my aim is to prevent this page being a false interpretations of events littered with unnecessary unreferenced pov information the previous page edition november has correct referenced information and i believe is a suitable and proper representation of events as per the information available at this point thank you for your attention to this matter