i completely understand yahel's concerns they shouldn't be shrugged off however despite mr ramadan's leanings and links to certain organisations he is also a scholar scholars maybe all sorts of things apart from being a scholar the point i wanted to raise albeit in maybe not acceptable terms was that simply counting scholars and adding more and more is not neccessarily ensuring neutrality and balance regardless of how often bs is sporting that idea in edit summaries neither does the size of a page no matter how he calculates it of any real importance to its quality talk