thanks that looks useful but to be honest i don't think i have the time or knowledge to do a big overhaul of this article though i can see it needs it i have now added those two sections i promised to add and that makes sense because i went to those events even though the pn festival was vey big both times i saw it it was really difficult locating press references to it i found a daily telegraph article about the against stupidity award though so i have included that i want to work on some other article but might come back to this one sometime in the future