follow up oh boy ok so maybe my definition of force is different to yours lets put a different example on the table lets say person a is drugged by person b person c who is unconnected to person b notices that person a is intoxicated and decides to take advantage person c has not used any force but this is still a case of unconsensual sex lets say person a is a bank person b goes into the bank a with a gun person c takes the money now did person b rob the bank or person c welcome to some parts of the legal system not totally fucked up nursing homes etc are a much more interesting subject but also already covered by law assume the kill bill scenario someone's in a coma or otherwise ko now instead of raping taking advantage putting the wee wee into the hoo hoo whatever you want to call it he cuts the victim's hair in a really unfashionable way or amputates an arm whatever injury is done thats an assault already covered by law no need for weird anti sex laws c mon how often do we see a need for an armed uprising in civilized society right about now viva la revolucion fight the power etc the argument i was making about where to carry the weapon was saying that if you have a gun in your handbag it is not going to help you much if you are jumped by your assailant in fact it might encourage risky behaviour that could get you killed so your argument is a gun in your pocket is going to get you killed because uh huh you fail but thanks for trying