naming convention violation part tiderolls the guideline wikipedia naming conventions use english under the section heading including alternatives states that the body of each article preferably in its first paragraph should list all common names by which its subject is widely known the first sentence of that guideline states the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the english language as you would find it in reliable sources my emphasis ncdane i read the naming convention before my previous message to you and i considered naming convention citations i originally provded to to constitute superseding prima facie authority i think they are worth repeating and i will repeat them german proper names should be treated with care and attention to english practice the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the english language'''' tr that means an editor must support their position by providing sources that show a common english usage ncd that is ridiculous because the article's previous authors did not provide citation and the burden should be on them because they were the ones using a letter which does not exist in the english alphabet furthermore you know as well as i do that b is not common english usage i am sure you like me have never in your life seen it used in any english language publication except for wikipedia and perhaps the internet wiki copycats but since i am up against unreasonable legalism on this issue here is the first page of google english language book hits on the name uli hoeness as you can see hoeness is the version used i also googled the next five pages and can confirm no use of b by any other english book source i also found that the name uli hoeness does not occur in encyclopedias brittanica columbia bartleby and how stuff works ' however it does occur twice as hoeness in infoplease ''' and it occurs times times as hoeness on the st page of encyclopdia com tr did you read the discussion that resulted from your post here several editors explained how the rendering of an article's subject spelling is determined ncd no i did not see it where is it tr some of those editors even agreed in that particular instance that the present usage was incorrect those editors however cited sources to support their position rather than simply stating it's obviously incorrect it appears that no consensus to change was reached as the article name remains unchanged i have not seen one editor agree with you that there exists indiscriminate foreign language insinuations there may be individual instances that need to be addressed with the proper sourcing and discussion but under the present guideline i see no need for wholesale changes there is no authority on this project other than policy and consensus if you wish a review of my position you may contact any editor additionally if you feel it necessary you can raise the issue at the wp administrators' noticeboard incidents tiderolls ncd i will attempt to post what i have written above at the apprpropiate forum if i can find it