elen thank you for proving my point meant seriously in saying so and no i am not finished if wikipedia is not a publisher of the truth tm it cannot then call itself an encyclopedia pillar it can at best and using your own definition here elen be a publicly accepted repository of publicly accepted facts accepted by the public i said that three times to make a point the repository is only made by publicly accepted parties the facts are also only those the collective shall accept and the amount of verification is similar i point to the wrestlemania xxviii dispute this user has decided to use wikia level evidence but since the public has accepted his stand i am not allowed to challenge it and he's lying on top of it and if that and other places i've attempted to edit are any indication this kind of conduct probably goes on all over the site the problem with the sports organization the bcs case is that if that organization has removed the valid sanction of an event then it creates an inconsistency between verifiability and damnatio memoriae if wikipedia fancies itself an encyclopedia then it grants a sanction which no longer exists in fact it basically grants a status of fact to something now ruled complete fiction due to the misconduct of one of the teams involved and solely because the public accepts it the problem comes in that wikipedia as an encyclopedia and i will call this site on that again and again grants a statement of fact on something which is now fiction because the public has decided that the event since it physically took place cannot be reversed even if all evidence points to the fact that it should've been and yes i will find the same farcical situation in many sports articles and if i must find a published fact for something then personal knowledge becomes irrelevant to the process the final fantasy case if we are not going to trust the general public to do research wp or how do we trust the general public not to manipulate the published facts which see mania xxviii personally speaking generally i don't trust most members of the public far beyond wikipedia to spell cat if they are spotted the c and the a how am i going to trust them with a public repository of the facts when they get to determine what is fact and who gets to post it throwing out pillar ah needs to be something the lawyer has signed i assert that hasn't happened in cena rock myself one of my ignored claims was that the level of promo of that match is the same as the level of promo in the daniel bryan intended cash in and in stating these are some of our rules you openly abdicate pillar by your own statement the choice is yours not mine because the public apparently gets to determine everything in wikipedia as i said above how can i carry on an intelligent and informed conversation with someone like christianandjericho who basically does not know proper english and chooses to type like a year old girl into a cellphone he probably doesn't even understand what i'm saying to him frankly and how can i come to a consensus with a group of people like minded to that at minimum it's going to take a tban on pro wrestling and at least two ibans on the two other users for starters i can probably come up with at least a pban on a celebrity for a prosecuted criminal threat on top of it without even taking initial action on the page