i don't think i ever accused kelapstick of gamesmanship perhaps you misunderstood one of my comments he speedy closed the last afd now we are at afd again it's been an enormous waste of my time and a great source of frustration i do think he owes me an apology but i understand that admins don't make mistakes i can only imagine if i had redirected an article after a speedy keep close at an afd but there's a lot of bullshit that goes on here and sometimes it stinks kelapstick has also followed me to other articles and engaged in damaging edits he also voted to delete the same article he closed the afd for as speedy keep yesterday so consider this a final warning that kelapstick's disruptive behavior and gamesmanship is not acceptable now i said it and i stand by it you want to explain his dishonest assertion that the article is author requests deletion it's bullshit he knows it you know it i know it so there we have it if you want to explain a speedy keep close and his false accusations that i am trying to delete the article go for it but this is more b s from you drmies i have no doubt that you are eager to block me i've been a witness to various abuses by you including the extent to which you will go to enforce you personal pov on article content that's why i try to avoid you but you chose to involve yourself in the hawaii drama as far as personal attacks shove em you and your buddy hasfajen have been launching jibes at me for a long time and i've put up with them so take your own medicine you want to clean up the personal attacks start with your buddies and their disruption and unprovoked personal attacks on me you've been warned