first off i was not edit warring i cannot be sure now without access to deleted logs but i am quite sure i added the info once then complained about its removal on the talk page and if you look at the talk page my issue was with needing to add the creation time i wasn't even thinking about giano had i known adding his name was such an issue i would have left it off had i known i was going to be accused of harassment i would never have even thought of adding it as for wp v for making claims about people i just find that seriously bizarre you are saying wikipedia logs are not reliable sources for what wikipedia editors do that's pretty ridiculous the log information stating exactly that information is precisely what readers would have to have had to look at if they knew how to do it to even understand the article finally as for not using self references look at the article context it was quite clearly nonsense not to refer to the fact that that article had only existed for a few hours how can you not self reference in that situation or are you honestly saying that was not pertinent information about a claim being made about an article having existed or not the situation falls squarely between the radio host example and the siegenthaler incident adding a self reference was the only way that paragraph could be written to make any sense