oh dear i'm glad you stuck around gerda believe it or not i like to have an infobox in some articles too sports geography science film etc i even considered one here but figured the box would look pretty short and redundant i do agree i have never been one for skirting around the issue and a more direct approach is sometimes needed however i am now deciding to steer clear of such discussions at ani and other public places as it really is a never ending loop of the similar arguments you and i have seen many many times before your passion on the linked word would have been my passion as a review alas i don't think there is much more there for me if you can wait until fac i would be pleased for a reminder then talk