i'm too tired i am way too tired to debate with everyme right now and i am getting extremely tired of that user's high handed debating style i e i know the rules way better then you so shut up and stay in your corner so i am going to be quiet before i say something stupid in that debate i've said my piece and even tried a compromise version which everyme shot down as a strawman argument and that i should stop distracting the discussion on a side note i am getting really exhausted of that user bandying around all the policies like we don't know them you know where i stand and what i am worried around thanks for letting me vent on your talk page