jza it is amusing that you should be talking about people not coming to articles with a neutral perspective considering your edit history on the traditional counties and even this very article no sourcing has been provided by mrsc in the first place to describe abc specifically as an outsider pressure group a violation of wp cite and the term is still a neologism and thus in violation of our manual of style at wp neo now i've directed you towards why the wording is not appropriate for wikipedia and i don't mind report this to the incidents board if the tag team bully boy tactic is used once again numerous editors have removed the word outsider due to it having derogative connotations and violating our policy and guidelines the fact that mrsc has not return to the talk yet continues to revert speaks volumes