thank you for your comments anon i will mention though that i've been commenting on this and similar pages for a long time but to little effect it also tends to result in insults and abuse so it gets tiresome and i don't come around here every day i thank you that you are not abusive one thing that is needful to attain npov is to avoid stereotypes you've just created one above though i doubt that you did it intentionally as some other editors regularly do this is the portrayal of the opposition as judgemental hellfire and brimstone types this would be characteristic only of the most extreme fundamentalists like fred phelps it is not characteristic of the majority of conservative christians even a lot of fundamentalists would not agree and are in opposition to those like fred phelps there are actually these extreme judgemental fundamentalists on both sides of the issue only the guys in the white hats trade with the ones in the black hats witness the pro homosexuals who use judgemental epithets even on these talk pages like bigot and homophobe to get the page into npov we have to get past the stereotypes and the epithets a more typical conservative christian view and a more fair characterization would be to think in terms of an owner's manual if you drive your car disregarding the manufacturer's intructions i e you abuse the car in various ways and don't perform the maintainence on the schedule that manufacturer gives your car will suffer from it it's not politically correct to mention but it's simple and plain truth that homosexuals have shorter life expectancy in fact promiscuity of whatever flavor will shorten a person's lifespan you can develop the rest of this line of thought as well as i can and that is just physical health because there is a strong pro homosexual group of wikipedia editors who regularly communicate with each other internal spam the cluster of pages on the homosexual topics has deteriorated into propaganda pieces that whitewash the dangers and risks and paint the opposition in stereotypes straw men that are easier to attack