let me add a comment here in this discussion while it certainly seems strange that jokes are included on a page concerning 'religion' dismissing it completely without some discussion and consideration would be doing a disservice it may very well be that bektashi culture is intimately tied to a rich collection of jokes which serve some pedagogical role in the religion for example if we look at this site it is written that x alevi bektashi humor alevis and bektashis love to use humor to mock religious legalism hypocrisy and those who they feel have persecuted them this humor reveals much about alevi bektashi thought to understand their humor is to understand the alevi bektashis approach to life religion and their place in society here are only a few examples of the hundreds of bektashi jokes f kralar that have been collected this first joke reflects the alevi attitude toward the legalism of the five pillars the author is john shindeldecker and he is listed as one of the researchers on the fairly official looking homepage in this case this material suggests that humor is an integral part of defining bektashi culture as distinctive from other factions of islam much as zen buddhism is characterized by the sometimes meaningless koans or gospel music in certain factions of protestant christianity in all of these cases i don't think it's fair to say that it's like adding black jokes to an article about african americans this comparison is also a bit overreaching and unwarranted aldirmagonul has made a good faith case for why the jokes should be placed on this page freestylefrappe has deleted it by only saying that it's suspect and racist but given what we read from another source this seems an overly simplified and inaccurate depiction of the jokes section i would like to hear an argument against these lines of evidence from freestylefrappe