dear mongo as i said before i think your concerns and perspectives are valid and have merit may i respectfully ask you to please not label users' work as 'pov pushing' or 'coatrack' this labeling tends to destroy users' enjoyment of editing the encyclopedia and significantly reduces people's motivation to find a compromise with your very valid position s let's create a friendly hospitable supportive work environment to encourage erik david a yourself dheyward and every user who may be motivated to contribute to building a first draft the final consensus version may possibly or even probably gonna look very different than the first or second or third rough draft s so may i advise for patience and calm let's all please try to be less emotional about this and more cool and gentle and supportive of each other especially those with whom we may otherwise disagree please don't take this as a personal attack i'm not saying you are an emotional rather than a logical person i believe you are being both emotional and logical rational like we all are i believe emotions are very important and have a powerful role to play in debates and i myself tend to get too emotional sometimes but please let's try a different approach here and give it a chance to succeed thanks