i think that saying that nobody has a problem with vk except john is hyperbole i had and continue to have a problem with vk seeming not to be able to take advice or rational guidance from other wikipedians and being offensive when he reasons his point of view sorry for butting in but i have to call it like it is what's the point of being on probation if the probationer is unwilling to learn from past mistakes of behaviour kiwiexile at dmoz