straw poll i think i know what you were trying to do but it's best left unsaid if any editors are sincerely interested in the article they will go through the talk page line by line just like i did when i first came that's a pretty pathetic excuse you just gave me talk the catholic church talk page is conducting a straw poll here to decide on a new version that will drastically eliminate about of the information on the page including the origin and mission section and the cultural influence section and much of everything else the new shorter version is here and the older more informative version is here a support vote will make the page become the shorter version an oppose vote will reject that proposition accusations of canvassing by sandygeorgia i attempted to convey the above information to the folks on wikiproject catholicism and wikiproject christianity so they could understand what was happening there and could see the two versions and come to the page and offer their comments karanacs had posted a note on that page already but did not provide any information at all in her post about the two differing versions offering only a link that provided one version i felt that this was not neutral so i attempted to correct the oversight when i did so sandygeorgia reverted my edit these are my edits and this is the note posted by karanacs '''talk