thank you so much abstrakt this is very helpful i sometimes take entire months off so don't worry for taking a few days to respond and yes you're right the shunzhi emperor is referred to as idzu eldembure h wangdi in manchu documents written after his death just like he is named shizu in equivalent chinese documents these are the emperor's temple names but i've seen a few shunzhi era documents in manchu and the date is marked as ijish n dasan xth year xth month etc since the wiki conventionally use reign names to refer to ming and qing emperors ijish n dasan should be good i also find that form more interesting than idzu eldembure h wangdi which after all is a transcription from the chinese idzu shizu followed by a generic title that applies to all manchu emperors thank you again for the help cheers