my apologies for what may have been misinterpreted as a personal attack i had and frankly still have strong reasons to believe you were using tactics rather than arguments to promote your pov i think it is absolutely unacceptable contrary to the spirit of this forum to try to establish your initial position at a higher ground before proceeding with discussion the beauty of wikipedia is that it is designed or at least aspires to be so that the only thing that matters is pure argument not some tactical maneuvering such as officially sounding 'warnings' or attempts to apply wikipedia rules too literally that they turn absurd i will post my response shortly since it will have to be pretty inclusive in the meantime i think the entry should be kept without the controversial 'claims' i have no reasons to accuse you of trying to continue edit wars by recruiting other users but regrettably at this point it looks that way as i said i do not believe the version i edited was a product of consensus since there were no actual discussion on the matter so my proposition is let us discuss rather than use other methods to impose a pov