again after numerous edit conflicts perhaps some people should look at the spurious attacks liz made against me on my talk page before claiming i have poked too much again i really do not give a shit she is incapable of producing any true content and is purely a pov social net worker so do as you please i always thought wikipedia provided a service to readers by providing well researched articles but evidently that is not the case nowadays we all live and learn perhaps one day i may be able to follow the example of such exalted editors admins as liz to be honest it is not an ideal i think worth living up to but of course your opinion may differ chat