on the point of spelling and grammar i consider ce to be a spelling grammar issue that's why i said what i did about all my edits relating to spelling and grammar as for europa universalis not that it's relevant here but i'll indulge you anyway i think i did a pretty good job of improving what was a poorly worded sentence when i removed ce it was for the year and as we both know from the now familiar wp era is not meant to have either ce or ad especially in the context of the europa universalis iv article since it's already obvious that it's the from centuries ago i was acting entirely within the rules in that case