utc you would think that since your aim is to tar the bible creationists with the geocentric brush true npov would present both cases adequately i won't put up with an ideological opponent telling me how much response is enough it is also a statement of fact that all the alleged proofs of geocentrism in the bible boil down to the same basic thing words like sunset which we use today all the time and it is common for creationists to discuss the frame of reference when discussing the issue so this is essential to mention in the interest of fairly representing this viewpoint also it was an excellent change to use a modern bible translation any objections to this apr