oh i do enjoy insulting people whose behaviour makes them fully deserving of insults it was you that made the issue of ethnologue being a rs a big affair as scripta manent even in wp all a reader has is to go up a few comments and see arrogant statements such as until you can produce a reliable linguistic source that has conducted more recent linguistic surveys in northern greece then ethnologue is the most recent most reliable source when there was no census in to begin with the gall of some people is astounding they've all become specialists when they can hardly follow the greek literature because if they did you would be a dismissing ethnologue's crap outright and b quoting the v prc survey which is recent and despite an obvious flaw of assuming no pluri lingual descent ability is the most recent and extensive statistical country wide survey of use understanding of non greek languages and significant greek dialects in greece to date if you were a specialist you would know that the us sd's estimate is not the result of a survey do you seriously believe that any type of similar survey by a foreign power into such a matter would have gone unnoticed and not being reported in the greek media causing a diplomatic episode but the estimate based on visits to some parts of macedonia in greece of a certain diplomat later to become infamous through a very public resignation called brady keisling that single handedly raised the profile of the issue in the sd's hr reports if you were a specialist instead of trying to guess numbers you would be giving the number of villages in which the language was spoken by at least some inhabitants according to the euromosaic study which your pal fps has apparently read but still has been unable to digest enough to add arvanites in thrace in his map then again you could do worse your other pal jim sch seriously believes that you could have a non government sponsored census mind you not survey in greece actually i wonder in how many developed countries can anyone other than the government convince people to stay home and open their doors for census takers to visit or that the results of such a private census would not become public until maybe the evil greek nationalists had a hand in that as well god spare us from the all powerful wp specialists