hie dvdm thanks for your warning i would appreciate it more though had you written it as your own personal assessment and not as a supreme court decision with penalties for those infringing it given that the challenge to the reliability of the source was produced here i would think here would be the appropriate place to discuss it but i concede it makes some sense to do it in wikipedia talk identifying reliable sources the problem is that there i will not have the context already laid down here my workload in writing will be increased by at least a factor of two or three just describing the context of my arguments in all likelihood i will be doing that but it will take me some time in any case and as i leave the discussion in this page i did not get any feedback and therefore cannot be sure that my statements that thepatientcapacitor com posts i linked to were even examined within the wikipedia entries were they are and if anyone agrees they enrich wikipedia for its readers anyway we'll take the follow through of the discussion in the identifying reliable sources talk page