grier hey i appreciate the work you're doing but since neither of the articles you added discuss grier in enough detail to satisfy wp bio you'd have to make the case that first xyz vice chancellor of the new york diocese and unspecified bishops' advisory council member were notable in and of themselves see list of african american firsts as a comparison the people on it are notable for being the first to do whatever it is they're the first to do but they also apparently fulfill the criteria for wp bio because of things they have done or coverage they have received can you find any significant coverage on grier ie an article that gives more than a few lines of detail that would be really helpful talk contribs