nirvanix hi orangemike thanks for taking a look at nirvanix i've added a references section and a bunch more references there are now so assuming this is good enough i removed the templates you added feel free to put them back if you feel this was presumptuous and i'll take another look but right now i'm trying to work out how to stop the vandalism and sock puppetry if you can help there please do as i've never had to report something like this before