the gygax reference is a positive reference i think are you saying he should have said mid to late or late instead the dragon mag stuff is less positive how about just saying and getting rid of the mid it sounds like ma and gamma world are kinda interchangeable in some people's minds maybe that's what schick meant how about while d d is a fantasy roleplaying game expedition to the barrier peaks introduces science fiction elements into the game and according to author lawrence schick elements specifically from the gamma world role playing game contribs