thank you i have checked my email and found a delivery failure well buried too i have sent ralf vandebergh another request and expect it won't be too long before he replies i'd say give it a few weeks as he might travel or not i don't know what his schedule is to put your mind at ease a little i had organized through ralf for his portrait to be released it's on his article page it's not a self portrait but it's the one he suggested and sent to me and it looked fine in my opinion for inclusion so he is keeping in touch with me and it shouldn't take too long something i brought up in the email i just sent is the option of people giving me permission to act on their behalf in these cases do you know what form i can send to them for that so i can release their pictures as i see fit that would simplify things i think chris peat from heavens above is just like yep go for it anything i like from his site so it would be good if i get a once only form for these people and they can suggest to me conversationally what they'd like to do rather than use the forms all the time talk