you don't say that martin hogbin turned attention of wisard to following i want remind that the discussion has arisen as a result of gross action of wisard to remove my insertion to the text of the article my intention is to undo wizard 's action which removed my contribution my goal is to contribute to the article section history the text since the advance of the pc era the manufacturing of complicated and unique forged items is usually accompanied by realistic d computer simulation this accurate and relatively fast technology allows accumulate all needful knowledges equipment and intermediates for the future forged items before the starting of manufacturing i ii computer d modeling is now not scarcity even for small companies iii i forging process modeling this footnote supports reality of using d computer simulation in forging ii on cad cam hardware and software usable in forging this footnote tells which tools are usable iii d modeling in forge this footnote supports reality of using d modelling in small forging companies andy dingley is the only author who promises to undo my undoing of wizard 's action i don't see in his intention a common sense i only see a passionate desire not to permit in the article my additional text with footnotes i almost no doubt that he again and again will try to switch debate to the criticism of an external link meantime the article will be without the truthful text about the historical role of computer d simulation for modern forging