user lord loxley's reply with my own comments the recidivism rate of tharkuncoll is sad for he has vowed to disrupt the wikipedia to make a point here he attempts yet again to blow smoke all our arses you are the one who is disrupting wikipedia i am upholding the consensus tharkuncoll believes that the english and welsh are not ethnic twins of southern britain in the present day and age perhaps unaware that they are indistinguishable to the world at large the principality of wales has not been its own country since before edward i of england while the principality of liechtenstein is an independent country that has no real ethnic status different from its neighbours his argument is to play up national separatist sentiments that serve nobody in the present day about a principality vis a vis kingdomwhich form bestows actual ethnic statuses to peoples wales has never been featured on the arms of state and seals of office that denote independence the chief marker of separate identity among the nations in europe that the welsh people page exists doesn't qualify its existence this guy believes that there is a sort of anglo celtic subrace of europeans that is defined only by the british isles an idea only popular among xenophobic yobbos proud of the british empire's world domination in an era circa the great war he believes that brittany is part of the british isles rather than a former duchy in the kingdom of franceby choice over allegiance to england in the breton war of succession he believes that mass settlement colonisation and the transcendence of national cultures is arguable in favour of the people under canute the great's dominion as governed by winchester but denies any significance in relations from until the present as determined by london and what the normans did which transformed the populace in all waysespecially ancestry and tongue to form actual and extant connections with the french scots and irishthe countries england has dealt with for the past millenium he uses racial definitions in respect to the celtic fringe and their english relationship for we all know how the english never held special favour to them until the hanoverians changed the political climate and drew sympathy from the english for the harsh oppressions of that regime which never bred into the population of the british isles and was naturally nativised the user believes the norman conquest was as removed from the people as the constitutional hanoverian rule but more bloody and causing a marxist class struggle between monarch and subject for centuries as opposed to a few decades in which it was possible to secure their integration as part of the english people themselves my other opponent user enzedbrit believes that the norman channel islanders are no different from the english but tharkuncoll thinks they are foreigners since compared to the celtic fringe whom only assimilated to the english way of life because of aftereffects created by the norman conquest of england this person has attacked my nationality as canadian and put my knowledge into question simply because i'm not jingoistic to punish the french in any and every discussion of themwe in canada have learnt to get along because english and french are more alike than differentdespite intense rivalry he tries to speak with authority and down to me while it is obvious that he is a crank out of the mainstream of academic institutions but well within the realm of football hooliganism read what i wrote i believe that the welsh and english are indeed very close but quite obviously still retain separate ethnic identities you are trying to say that they are english for your own sake please don't say that if you ever go to wales i have never made any claims about an anglo celtic subrace and nor do i believe britanny is part of the british isles why do you ascribe false beliefs to me as for you being a canadian all it means is that you may have a completely false view of what the english are like based on your misperception of history as i said just because canada is an anglo french society it doesn't mean that england is and the only crank here is you i'm afraid i made a reference to the tudors being england's chief representative of the romano british in england's culture and identity which you think is ludicrous or have problems interpreting what was written it was the tudors who brought a revival of king arthur which made it an official mythology of england the tudors lived about a thousand years after the romano british period so to call them a representation of it sounds a tad unreasonable and their revival of the arthurian myths was purely political '' you have only tried to deny any and every relationship the english and fren