red line i retire from this mediation and anything in relation with the article i have been witch hunted impunely and got a probably very unjust block i just cannot discuss in such conditions i have tried to be constructive pedagogic dialogant but all is useless so guess that in the end after a couple more editors have been displaced thulean will write the article alone of course i guess someone will come later and just nuke it because it's ultra pov but in any case it will be someone else i'm done with defending npov and the spirit of wikipedia in this article