raar err thanks for the welcome i think that being said i've been a contributor for a couple of years in varying small but what i believe to be quality capacities and i'm not sure why all of a sudden you have graced me with links to style and methods that i am already familiar with after all i kind of liked flying under the radar without a talk page was there a purpose ie did i make a grievous error or are you just looking for things to do cheers from