whitman and swat thank you gilliam for bringing my attention to wp not being used as a source i had used other sources before but they did not deal with john nelson exclusively i have found a source that meets wp standards i assume and will revert with that source personally i think the paragraph should be removed because it implies that whitman was the impetus for swat he wasn't and is dramatizing the article and unnecessary i also appreciate the link to the rule you cited i found it fascinating and will be useful for my lectures as to the use of wp as a source thanks again da d ee a