you are using hyperbole here and poorly at that no one wishes to indef ban any of your group from wikipedia at worst a restriction barring the usual actors on either side from commenting on each other or the situation i've offered solutions to try to move forward i could have easily let the thread die as i said there was no consensus for either widening or loosening the current restrictions on brews ohare which would have been status quo for the foreseeable future instead i offered a way forward and we'll see where it goes from there