i am not permanently objecting to this change i would like to hold off a bit until we look at the scholarship on this matter how do scholars refer to it separation exclusion excommunication or something else although we discourage primary sources i am curious about how do both groups refer to this matter in their own literature and whether there has been shifts over time i will do some initial work on this and present some findings by midweek i apologize but we are in the middle of a national vacation this weekend