let's see if i can answer in an orderly fashion lead the point is that it was very much his own style his trade mark looking at the sentence now it makes perfect sense please do i agree that sentence was not hatched it was contrived will think about it suggestions welcome why not i was just afraid that the article would be top heavy with a longer lead i'll just put it in my notes for tomorrow it's too late for me to think right now general learned something new here thanks please do i've gone blind on the article for the moment early life my usual errors not combining words please correct thanks talk