fifefoo it seems i have hit a nerve i am not soapboxing or pulpitting i am having a calm discussion the majority is not tyrannical it only asks for a modicum of agreeable behavior as for example in wp npa which you support is that tyrannical too but you are unable to discuss this calmly i am very sorry to say so i will leave you alone best wishes happy new year no sarcasm there oneknowsautumn talk