snivelling will get you no where and please do review the burden of proof principle obviously the authors of this wiki found a list of christians who think jesus is real and one atheist ehrman now it's been compiled into a ridiculous paragraph as mentioned and spread to every jesus article statements from historians like richard carrier or as your ilk prefer to call him blogger are routinely removed from this article as are statements from ehrman which are critical of historical jesus claims regarding what is and isn't accepted as historical so just because you've compiled a short paragraph with a few pastors and priests who think jesus was real doesn't mean i have to find a paragraph that states otherwise the point is this article is full of that type of bs and we don't need to disprove your claims any more than we need to disprove claims of a magic spaghetti monster so quit with your snivelling rhetoric about personal attacks and us finding reliable sources to disprove your positive claims the fact is those sources as bash prompt and or others have already indicated do not belong capice not sure if english is your first language wong but i hope you catch my drift and if you're all butt hurt about personal attacks take it up with the board instead of whining and bitching like a snivelling child who's just been told that the tooth fairy isn't real