archived this page was getting absurdly long over k so i've gone ahead and archived it also i saw that some people in this discussion seem to be particularly erm articulate to the point of creating multiple posts that were multiple paragraphs long may i gently suggest that this may not be the most effective way of communicating in my experience the longer that a post is the less likely that most other people are going to actually read it i'd like to encourage everyone in this discussion to work harder on keeping comments brief and focused if you have multiple points to cover then it may be more effective to bring them up in separate sections rather than trying to cover everything all in one post thanks onka