dab is doing an admirable job of arguing for the enemy for people who think humans are a biological species that somehow developed spirituality the former applies for people who think that humans are spiritual beings that somehow ended up inside a body the latter applies this captures the essence of the pov problem well or as i sometimes ask my children are we monkeys or are we children of god it is a fundamental divergence of definition yes your taxobox is beautiful and fine and i hope it stays talk sep utc