jdorney really needs to grow up here first off jdorney i keep it up because you are ingnoring facts which i have continually provided proof for i have submitted to you the site sources page numbers and even posted the actual articles in which these facts are stated either you don't bother to read them or you read them but ignore them because you are so biased in your beliefs that you only include facts that support them and in some cases you lie altogether how in god's name you are allowed to continue to be a wikipedia editor is beyond me you basically quote two sources in the pira article cain research and lost lives cain research is a estimated source of information jane's intelligence the us state dept and the council on foreign relations all use official statistics for their information they do not estimate casualties as cain does as for lost lives i have the latest edition of that book and if you go through it page by page you come up with the loyalist casualty figures and british security service figures i have put in the article either you are not really reading the book or your are just lying about the figures because you know they don't support your beliefs you also misquote other books for instance the irish war staates that loyalist paramilitaries were killed by the ira between you state in your article that this is the total number of loyalists killed by the ira that isn't true the ira killed a further loyalists between but of course you leave that part out i don't know if you are some loyalist sympathizer or what but the way in which you continually ignore the facts about how many uda and uvf members were killed by the ira seems odd to me i have given several different sources for this number books like the irish war or the latest edition of the ira a history by tim pat coogan jane's intelligence the us state dept patterns of global terrorisim and the center for strategic and international studies why these highly regarded sources aren't enough for you i am not sure unless you are trying to push an agenda all of the above sources agree on the number and breakdown of the british security service people killed bu the ira over the year war as a former us marine with experience in counter terrorisim issues i pride myself on using the above sources which were the same sources we used in our force recon counter terrorisim classes and by the way the ira was one of the main groups we studied along with groups like hezbollah al qaida and the tamil tigers these groups are known as the big four to the us military if the above sources were good enough for the marine corps they are good enough for wikipedia you need to grow up and stop deleting facts just because they don't support your own sad bias views i will file another complaint with wikipedia about you and i will continue to edit this article to ensure that it is professional and not the work of some biased little editor who is more interested in pushing his own views then he is in the facts