you 're completely misunderstanding wikipedia policies here lukeno it is the verifiability of an info that is the most important policy in case the info cannot be verified then a consensus should always be taken and the name of thvictim is completely verifable and even the family has permitted her name to be revealed i respect your and everyone's views but i respect wikipedia policies too i've never said that i'm going to include her name regardless of what other users think i have instead said that i would like to prefer discussing this matter in a civil manner and that's what i have been doing the main wikipedia policy is adding verified information any verified information that is significant cannot be removed but still i preferred discussion because i think it is probably the best thing to do last of all i would like to gandydancer for misunderstanding his last comment he actually stated that the name of the victim should be included in the article sorry for that friend