if a living person from illinois had been validated then there would be no debate but since there isn't we have to deal with claims mildred larson was claimed to be the nd oldest in illinois rosa wilkes claims to be older and therefore logically the oldest illinoisan if citations required names and rankings then deductive reasoning would be defunct whether or not her claim is true or the citation correct isn't the point verifiability over truth but if you have reason to believe that she was born in then rather than creating arguments you only have to say and i'll let the matter lie