and i uderstand the policy of wikipedia a name can be considered as widely accepted if a neutral and reliable source states x is the name most often used for this entity without such an assertion the following methods not listed in any particular order may be helpful in establishing a widely accepted name this makes sense but stil i just can't acept it kiev russian or official kyiv ukrainian about this sound help info ipa k jiw non sense why should russian way of pronunciation be the official name if the country is ukraine and the only one officail language is ukrainian i am not asking just to wipe out kiev from the list but kyiv should be the main one and the kiev alternate