sorry we'll never meet doc there's been success and failure the success is that there is discusion on the talk page for the dawn wells bio and it's focused i see people stepping forward to say the things that need be said and to press for answers to fair questions to those with opposing viewpoints the failure perhaps none a sacrifice had to be made but you knew that going in and you knew i knew and before the may fly comment you are smart doc and clever don't tell me how it all works out in advance i plan to watch people work it out as it progresses don't spoil it for me