name i've been studying satmar for a good bit and i've been to kiryas joel i've never heard it called sakmer are we sure about this i've been around many hasidim for a long long time too and i have never heard of sakmer either so it may just be baloney and that word should be removed there is a street in kj called sakmer also look at this the reason some call it sakmer is because the name satmer is based on satu mare which remotely referes saint mary note not true satu mare means simply large village in romanian hassidic jews have always refrained from sanctifying christian saints and therefore have created alternative names for quite a few cities izak love when you don't know something that does not make it balony ps i haven't been studying satmer i am one and my maternal grandfather referes to his birthplace as sakmer aka satu mare pps there is no kj street called sakmer the photo you attached clearly dubbs the satmar rabbi the rav of sakmer for those who study satmer but have no knowledge of the script which the satmers use the word is the one at the lower left corner looking something like this the third letter from the right carries the k sound cheers i recently heard in regular chatting from an acquaintence that an ancestor great grandfather of his called satmar sakmer why do they not utilize that term anymore and i'm done with my hardcore pshat study of different hasidic groups it's total nonsense the 'saint mary' story satu mare means 'large town' my father has been there many times wikipedia yes yes also says that satu mare means 'large town' and that 'saint mary' is something else entirely in hungarian romanian i revised the opening paragraph by indicating the satmars are one of the largest hasidic groups it is widely thought there are about lubavitchers but since none of the hasidic groups keeps a formal membership role this is all conjecture it would be incorrect for any group to claim they are the largest there is no way of knowing about satmar and neturei karta the cherem bit is incorrect as is the bit of a denunciation also the part of asking reb yoilish to meet with yasser arrafat it's all myth yasser arafat and the plo were not the public face of the palestinian cause before reb yoilish had his stroke so it doesn't make sense i actually asked a chaver of the satmar beis din about the cherem and he said it's nonsense the beis din has not publicly issued a cherem against a person or group of people since its formation in the united states no denunciation was issued either it's a made up propaganda piece by the kakhnik radio station arutz sheva it never happened no such thing ever appeared in der yid which is the official newspaper good edit good recent edit izak july utc etymology with satu coming from the same root as city civitas actually it's not like this in romanian satu is derived from latin fossatum and it originally meant a village encircled by a moat in latin fossa cetate is the romanian word derived from civitas talk npov people have mistaken this article to be a fork of hydepark co il it is not and due to its encylopaedic nature please do not appeal to users to refrain from making a chilul hashem because frankly nobody gives a shite the purpose of this site is informative not satmer's or judaism's pr page nor is it a private opinion venting station if you are a member of this site and its npov policy is not in accordance with your religious beliefs you are kindly requested to hold your peace state the true unfiltered truth but only that please aaron zalman conflict apparently someone has made this sub section its own page again thoughts anyone is it enough of an issue to have it be its own page separate from satmar the dynasty ''''''you bet this issue s