when you look at it in the clear light of day this is an argument in which both sides are doing the same things and making the same counter accusations it has been 'resolved ' to date by the fact that one side of the argument have the power but might doesn't make right who actually started the unreasonable behaviour perhaps the wikipedian who seemed to make the rather ambiguous statement in which he said that the holocaust talk page is not there for discussion well it is there for discussion that's what a talk page is if he meant it is not there for irrelevant discussion he should have stated that explicitly and that having been done be prepared to demonstrate that to anyone who might be in doubt on the matter