i disagree the point of asking the wider community is so we can begin to work on the article that most of them prefer if they choose the shorter version or the longer version i will be glad to help improve whichever one they choose i just don't want to waste my time improving something that i believe is too short unless the wider community can convince me that it is preferred if they prefer the longer version then maybe it is you who needs convincing let's hear from the wider community and find out the answer to that interesting and important question '''talk