thanx for ur help doc i came yest to add a few things well voila p jeepers mutter mutter mutter i wrote someone w original pix of kyle hopefully they can provide an appropriate picture i do know that there are limits to freedom of speech esp'cly in the 'private sector' i e if i tell my boss that i love pres smith he fires me cause he voted for pres jones i have no case that's sorta a red herring but i'm a slow learner times