re tryptofish discussion i completely agree with your red pill explanation of the problem and i think you have a good handle on the problem but just like in the matrix few people could handle going down the rabbit hole i think trypto felt like you were attacking him for his arbcom opinion and he's pretty sensitive about such things i think you're correct about kudpung but there are several differert ways to make your point without directly attacking trypto for example you could have informed him that according to kudpung's absurd recall criteria trypto is no longer allowed to participate in the recall process of course criticizing kudpung is like shooting fish in a barrel so it's not very sporting this is a guy who claimed quite unbelievably that the wifione case was a good reason to keep the tools bundled and adminship as high a bar as possible in the very face of evidence that showed otherwise wifione was able to get away with mischief for five years precisely because adminship is an elite process that protects and rallies around its own if the tools had been debundled wifione would have been desysopped at the first sign of trouble trypto probably isn't aware of any of this or kudpung's hilarious recall page which is literally designed to prevent anyone from recalling him go read it if you don't believe me