further i do belive we have ignore all so if my making a point to improve someones understanding of why something is included in an entry is somehow void of that general concept well then i guess we all are sol aren't we because sometimes the space requirements must be overlooked for the content now he is the one that had to go make a smug comment on that concept smug in my translation of his comment because of his history of making smug and unwelcome comments durring heated debate of many members he has made unwelcome comments to degrade the idea opinions and thoughts of others now as i understand thing a certain amount of friction is required by this site due to the npov concept and friction between members often brings a less bias entry however his unwelcome comments bring the debates off of the topic and more to his translation of rules that even by wikipedia standards can be ignored in many circumstances if you want proof of his additude go to his talk page and see where i forgot to sign a post he could not just make a note on the side stating who posted he had to make a dig and post the guideline about it kinda petty