june utc s paliga also of the urbian theory which has something to it though is known for or was that file of his that i read was from like i read it in early ' wild claims in his etymologies such as du man deriving from thracian when it certainly derives from turkish then from persian ancient greek dusmenes being a cognate to the indo aryan forms a very different and very careful and scientific fellow is olteanu his ltdm site and i'm waiting for him to list the attestations of byzas byzes and whatever etymologies are considered likely i found mention in a greek inscription at olympia greece of a byzes of naxos island so i don't even know at the moment whether it can safely be said that the name is thracian i'm a careful researcher again dude that buzunara buze stuff was paliga's idea if you're an ex admin now that's too bad