unaswered comment false pretense you did not even read the links please go re read them as you do not understand i do not need to convince any one of what i am saying they need to convince me because as of yet they have failed to give a locial reason and the poll which should not have been started and is thanks to your suggestion pretty much has resulted in everything on wikipedia polling is not a substitute for discussion this guidline has been written perfectly because everything it said has happened it was only uther and lonelymarble i still have no idea how she became to be involved in these discussions at first who were debating with me and from the history it was quite clear that uther had been edit warring with everyone and over the time since then he has managed to convince people with lies he always uses his wp mam as a defence calling it a policy it is neither a policy nor guideline and is simply a project the captilization bs he uses for a defence is also false and if people took the time to actually read the redirect to wikipedia wikiproject birds they would see that in fact it further strengthens my side instead of his they also continually defend it by sayings marsupial lions or marsupial lion family which already redirect to thylacoleonidae and neither of which are the uncaps marsupial lion please go and actually read the two links i provided because i noticed you have agreed that there was a concensous when there was none so please read them and see what has happened here