well i think there is just plain bullying going on by the pro infobox crowd the present unwritten system which leaves info boxes to the discretion of the principal content editors is best and of the time it works until a bullying pro boxer arrives off the street and inserts a box and then fights to keep it i think infoboxes have their uses in scientific and mathematical pages and to a certain extent in political biographies on pages connected to the arts their use is limited and on pages concerning ancient buildings they are either over simplified to the point of downright misleading or otherwise are longer than the page i shan't comment at the arbitration page until necessary as i find the pro boxers hectoring and bullying to be distasteful