actually that means you didn't understand my point my point was that you're proposed deletion was based on a type of bias everyone is biased even those who edit in good faith i was not saying that you're proposed deletion was in bad faith far from that what i was saying is that its based on a bias held by most wiki editors and people in general against small media outlets this is problematic because who is to say that a small media outlet such as the con isn't notable what makes it not notable the fact that its small or the fact that it isn't mainstream or the fact that it is south african notability can be according to one's point of view obviously you don't think it is notable however i do think it is notable otherwise why would i take the time to create the page in the first place i don't benefit from creating the page so i have no other reason to create it other than my own view that it is in fact notable nevermind the fact that thousands of people already read the con they've been republished in a number of places and they have well established an notable well known journalists as regular contributors i therefore move to have the page remain at very least as a stub frombelow talk