wikipedian beauracrats when you say some users are 'forgetting the spirit that they are intended to represent' you have hit the nail on the head it is the spirit of wikipedia and its vision i admire but at this time i see it being strangled by frustrated surfers and like msn prone to corruption it is gratifying to know i can feel secure with the thought that my efforts have not been a complete waiste of time and may think again how best to tackle the problems as i see them all the best faedra