wow i'm impressed with that sandbox fella you must hang out on baen's bar more than i ever did i haven't been a regular there for at least months how many other fan sites do you know of plz put in projects head as th subsection the real need is to find an old archieve that lists characters and maybe a minibio as well alternative is to take virginia's grid into excell and export the pertinent columns into a text file txt i'm an old fuddy duddy w o excel can you take that task on put it into a workpage sandbox or subpage so we can all play with it or email it to me and i'll do it beats going through book by book para by para for a partial list