achtng indianer that's interesting about the spitifire and dogfight but i dont think that the spitfire and hurricanes could dive like the messers and i will find quotes to show you that i spoke with a pilot that fought with the corpo aereo italiano tenente giulio cesare giuntella and adolf galland had told them to dive vertically a thing that both fiat planes and the could do but not the spitfire if a british fighter got on their tail even if the italian pilots preferred to perform out roll and out turn the british monoplanes to shot at them when out of the maneuvre saluti da roma