november utc yikes i did say to cyberpower that i would try to close the discussion but i did warn him that i had other things on and it might be a while before i got round to it please don't hold out for me i've gone and submitted an arbcom candidacy nomination which is currently taking up all my time dennis is an excellent admin appears uninvolved and glancing at apteva's comments they look like they're well considered i doubt i'll find a different consensus tt talk