hello trolling anonymous i vouch for alun even though we disagree politically on matters of culture alun and i are in sync other chief editors of that article such as tharkuncoll and enzed brit share more or less the same consensus to top it off we have had many bitter discussions despite that all we have a consensus get an account and come visit on the article's talk page with polite discussion we would be grateful if you could bring some of that over there because virtuous and altruistic contributions are stellar