if you disagree with policy the proper venue is to discuss at the policy page it is inappropriate to discuss elsewhere to do so may be interpreted as disruption and particularly when editors have been directed to those pages and refuse to take that opportunity carping in the wrong place isn't helpful and is a waste of time and effort i've almost lost count of the times i've made this point at wp bn but if malleus ain't prepared to take the advice or even discuss it there is nothing down for him andemu