drmies thinks four different spellings birth and stage names in hangul and romanization is too much and he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can't trust the entertainment companies the source of this information there isn't a single place on wikipedia where such lists have anything but name and instrument at best you find a range of dates for when they were in a band you never find birthdates so basically you guys want every to comply to your standards yet again i see many of you comparing kpop to western pop groups wikipedia is a free editing space for everyone if fans want to include birth dates and positions and such then so be it it should not be up to a circle group of users to decide what and what does not go he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can't trust the entertainment companies the source of this information give me an example i have never seen such a thing only weights and height are infamously unreliable in kpop not every member of a specific group is notable enough to have their own page therefore basic things such as birthdates hangeul romanization and basic group positions should be listed in a table