oh come on bleaney there is a world of difference let's look at your argument you are saying that kathy was involved in lucy's very early days that is irrelevant to be honest because lucy is one of the shows longest running characters lucy has been in the show since and kathy was in the show and a prominent figure in her life from until you can say her 'own storylines' but that is a false choice her storylines started from when she came on the show for eg the custody battle you are really making a false distinction i urge you to watch the videos please you cannot make that argument the difference between den watts and kathy beale is that den watts was dead when denny was born kathy was alive and an influential figure in lucy and et al's life until her departure she helped bring them up