i'll limit this response to only a few more lines since your clearly and intentionally provocative insinuations can't go unanswered but i'll be economical with my response here's a link to my 'organization'digital deli online now send me links to yours as to your other response do a whois look up on 'goldenageofradio org' and i quite frankly don't see any reason why i even need to establish my bonafides to you or any other individual on wikipedia if that's a prerequisite i must have missed that in all of the 'free and open' pronouncements about wikipedia i was directed by another editor to come to this 'discussion' page to obtain 'consensus' on what or what not to place on an article under consideration if others like myself have found the dmoz intransigent in considering golden age radio as a category they're welcome to chime in likewise if they've had nothing but the most helpful relationship with the dmoz old time radio group they as well are more than welcome to chime in if others have found the three pages that nigelr questions let them chime in as well if someone else has something to posit regarding realmedia or 'listen to' links this should end this thread of the issues under attack oops 'discussion' but you'll forgive my overwhelming sense it won't be