obviously i wasn't referring to good faith edits intended to help people or to help improve the article we all appreciate those i was referring to uninformed edits and reverts of edits that added to the article there's no need to lecture me on wp thanks for the offer tho this is the first time that i have seen such aggressive uninformed editing in years i was not at all trying to own the article what i was trying is making sure that informed edits go through in case you didn't notice i previously asked for the article to be locked for public editing to lock out certain people including myself to ensure that only a handful of people with a demonstrated background in aviation can review edits while others could help with stylistic stuff and proper refs quoting at the end of the day i have given up now and i won't bother wasting any more time debating things here as usual interest will degrade over time and some jackass type personalities will probably remove themselves sooner or later probably the ones who just happen to be around accident related articles because of recent news coverage at the moment there's simply too much public interest and what's happening isn't just a wp specific issue there's lots of layman's discussion taking place everywhere without really adding to the quality of discussion finally what's been happening here wouldn't be tolerated in a commercial environment with professional editors where responsibility has to be assigned to individuals encyclopedic or not again this is nothing personal and against anybody here i do realize that there are team dynamics at work here and i have seen tons of editing wars going on here not just due to my own edits so i really don't take it personally but i would hope for wikipedia to adopt some sort of policy workflow and procedures for such hot events to ensure a higher degree of qa not just based on wp seniority status but based on people who have some related professional background wp isn't going to fail obviously but years from now the behavior tolerated here by some wannabe experts will no longer be tolerated and corresponding procedures will be put in place to differentiate between content and markup contributions