i thought we had reached consensus in the above talk item that marvin was staying for sure i'm not sure what lmhammer was proposing with his last comment the pinball clubs go pinballhq as proceeds go to the pinball hall of fame might be worthwhile to keep or be placed on the phof wiki page ipdb stays as it is similar to imdb links on movie related pages pinballnews will probably stay or at the very least be used as references for news related items phof should stay or at least be linked to the phof page properly links to stern and pat lawlor stay being the last pin manufacturer and major pin designer company left simulators will be questioned by some pinmame being the one that people will be most vocal about keeping the others can go to dmoz online communities can go other information can go how's that for a summary did i miss anything