note on the above personal references there is a difference between a judgement analysis opinion i believe in this entire discussion i have always maintained a seperation between all and have never offerred any personal points of view unless requested to do so as fo stokely carmicheal i beleive i was being generous after rereading the transcripts as does very much sound like a nite at the improv and kind when one considers he was being accused of treason in somwhere i read that wiki had enough technical contributors and now it is being expanded into the humanities perhaps technical contributors when engaging in debate and discussion of matters outside their fields need to learn some of the basics of discourse