i haven't made uncivil comments it's not because you lose an argument that it suddenly gives you the right to qualify it as uncivil you were uncivil by erasing a perfectly valid message which was not addressed to you and preventing me to reinstate it from what i can see wikipedia seems like the perfect framework to bully newcomers no wonder power tripper bullies like you torturer of teenagers as you describe yourself love this framework all you guys look like clones of each other pathetic bullies teachers on power trips i guess it's a way to compensate for your very low iq and eq bye pathetic thick bullies and losers