but but there is almost total disregard for almost everything that is policy at dyk keep revisiting to point out deficiencies but be aware that with at least two entrenched regulars who have leadership positions there and who disregard or misunderstand important wikipedia and dyk policy your approach has to be one that at least endears you to the rest of the folks there some of them have begun to listen at least copyvio has been reduced maybe responsible editing will become more of the norm there as other editors begin to hear on my recent reviewing at dfk i was attacked by the usual folks of course no admins took them on likely for fear they'd be hauled off to arbcom if they did but i received very warm and helpful and productive feedback from other new editors i reached them and they learned and one of them even commented on the surprisingly rude feedback i got back from some of our regular admins there there is hope best talk