no problem ben wren and you're doing fine i've responded on the ibox's talk page and wish i could be of more help another suggestion might be to ask about this on the project talk page as shown at the top of the ibox talk page and be sure to link to the ibox talk page like you did above to link to the actual section of our discussion you would use template talk infobox song template protected edit request on august your text here that way you will be able to talk with people who are also knowledgable about all this one more thing it may save you time in the future when you think another editor might miss your talk page post you can ping them by just using a link to their user page in your post that enables the notifications system best of good fortune to you ben wren