thanks for the note i would point out that in spite of exact polar opposites in every situation squeakbox and i have actually agreed once or twice before usually because i made a huge point about agreeing with him i don't think he's ever said i agree with vp ah well we're not that much different in the grand scheme of things we just have different views on neutrality versus populartrality and i don't recall any reason or instance that would make me have any beef with you either i do know we've disagreed in terms of scope or degree but generally even then it's only scope or degree and not the master core issue as i recall at least have a great day night whatever utc mar '