i had forgotten how useful it can be to paste rough unfinished material into a user subpage also i simply assumed the kuhner quote was okay instead of doing the digging that you did once again thanks for correcting my errors i myself am not so interested in writing a bio of kuhner he seems to be a lousy editor of a second rate web magazine i wrote off insight several years ago and get my news from wire services network news shows and of course the washington times not to mention the guardian and a few other uk news sources