thank you boy it's downright exhausting i just don't understand we can explain the same things over and over again and point out specific examples of text in their own supposed citations that contradict what they want to wedge into the article and they just repeat themselves pointing out guidelines and even specific policies they are trying to violate simply doesn't register with them maybe that's the plan wear out neutral editors who want to see a good article until we give up then edit in their pov freely damon