if i was to have my cake and eat it this would have been settled without me having to get involved at all the reasoned discussion taking place here is not that related to the original dispute but one that has grown laterally from it and which seems to be having no bearing on it at all as neither party is going to move on the matter if either of you want to debate the merits of either side of the original dispute then by all means do so but shoehorning a secondary argument into the first one just overcomplicates both x