basically your point of view is that the beat a recognized news column and from the gutters a recognized news column are not news columns with that in mind there is no argument with you except to say that other users disagree with you and for better or worse will continue to revert the article i agree with and support them in so doing i further take respectful disagreement with your take that there is personal bias steve niles is a bad person like karr is a bad person like himmler was a bad person these are objective standards not subjective ones anyway you can't win this argument anymore than i can convince you that a news source is a news source anymore than i can help you learn to read the beat article states that the story is so outrageous it is hard to believe it is true then establishes that it is good luck to you in life you'll need it colscott