i have asked repeatedly for proof of what the beliefs of nacm's members were as claimed by those like fyslee who seem hell bent on it's inclusion all i ever got back was blank stares it was removed long ago and just recently put in so the edit war is on the part of those who are submitting original research the burden is on them to back up their statement if you can give us something like names of members the financials when are meetings what seminars have they conducted what research have they carried out when are elections and minor things like that which are easily found out for legitimate organizatioins then we would have something to go on the big red flag for me is that three of the four links at the end of the one page website leads one to websites that are privately owned and operated by stephen barrett and solicit donations for his personal use you may recall that there is controversy and much discussion surrounding the fact that he failed his boards and thus lacked certification in his own field of psychiatry yet acted as an 'expert' in courts and was paid for his testimony it was only after he was put on the stand that he testified under oath that he failed his boards