thanks for the reply the references are all there if you check ref it's a compression of those references ok let's remove the 'healer' clause from the first sentence it's repeated in the second one anyway and what is your opinion about the or 'rabbi' parenthesis after teacher the reason i added this was because i found a qualifying footnote which i thought would be useful for the lead but only if people read footnotes when they're in leads i'll quote it below or 'rabbi' ref bernard j lee paulist press page however both jewish and christian scholars have advised us not to import a later meaning of rabbi into jesus' time jewish scholar joseph klausner says that in jesus' milieu rabbi was not a fixed title and was used in current speech as a unofficial indication of honor thus it may or may not have specifically named a teacher of honor martin hengel takes this position too and adds that probably by the time john's gospel is written rabbi is a more official designation of a teacher and soon it designates an ordained teacher ref