personally i think the history section here should be bare bones that way people who want to learn more can go to the article for further info something briefly touching oldest same city team info briefly talking about the world series' and something briefly regarding the futility leading to k losses other than that if we make it too wordy the article will lose its purpose and it'll just be unnecessary prose to the phillies article's cliff notes the history section in the article needs to be a super brief synopsis to entice people to read more over at the main article just my theory eaglesintampa