let's understand each other sicilianmandolin the info in the first paragraph is not at all promotional if you really want to still keep away the info that you deleted i will accept that even though i do not understand why however i will not allow anyone to just delete info in the first paragraph as it is now it is as i said promotional all first paragraphs of other nations are equally as 'promotional' as you say and captivating wikipedia i agree is not a tourist brochure yet you always include the best achievements of the country in the intro also what i mean by 'attacking' italy related articles is that many people seem to not want pages to change and there is constant edit wars reverting and deleting rather than deleting disputable info i believe that it is better to improve it rather than revertion as i've only edited a few italian articles it could be only concerning those pages but that's what i see in that ok let's just leave the intro as it is now if you want sources for the info you deleted i could go and find some also if you look on the italy talk page you'll see that there is a discussion about adding more info on italy's culture art and literature as you said the article needs drastic improvement your italian knowledge could help our project immensly reply