water contains x the energy of gasoline gallon for gallon is objectively false unless you're tryting to say that water masses x gasoline gallon for gallon and you're referring to the mass energy and i don't think we're saying that stan designed a perpetual motion machine what we're saying is that if stan's machine worked it could be converted to a perpetual motion machine absent the existance of denatured water water with a lesser self energy than standard water the difference seems minor to me talk