underhanded not at all i've been entirely forthcoming in this discussion just like i am in all of my discussions i think you may be confusing underhandedness with fairness if you are then you have a point but everyone should have the decency and discretion to keep families out of the discussion for example i never have and will never discuss greg's family to that extent my discretion is as rock solid to argue that families are somehow fair game would betray a complete lack of integrity imo