governments they are openly poved but i guess that they could neutralize each other if we put them together anyway i'll keep searching thanks vassyana for your effort it's helping us all to concentrate on content more than editors which is no small achievement if we look at our history in the talk page thanks vassyana i hope that you will help us to reach the long elusive consensus i agree however in that it will still be necessary to make an informed but ultimately personal decision between possibilities for inclusion unless we go for a formal bibliometric approach i suspect that in the end we may need to seek external help to decide whether some details are to be included but if we have a process which can lead to a decision that's a definite improvement thanks again for taking an interest can i ask a couple of questions is there a reason why the same source has been listed three times once by me and subsequently twice by imalbornoz see