andrew i only meant to elucidate my agreement i find that when people make a generalized statement such as you agree it is often then assumed that agreement is more extensive than it actually is my comment was intended to prevent this misunderstanding also i think it's quite clear from my suggestions of renaming or creating articles that i am absolutely willing to work with everyone here to resolve this issue i am not defending this article no matter what but there really hasn't been a serious proposal other than turning this page into a second ta article which i've opposed citing appropriate policies it takes two to tango e b c f