caspian i am not about to get into yet another drawn out argument with you show me an unbiased citation proving not alleging who ordered the killing please i have no desire to distort facts on a side note i would be happy if we could remain civil even when we disagree about an edit please don't say things such as here is not a right place for you in relation to my editing of wikipedia there is no need for such a comment the only possible outcome is that it will cause offence thanks friend