here is a clear tag team between athenean and you who keep reverting sourced material with different argumentation just to put me in edit war i will not do it but per the sources i have asked opinion about the source lets see the responses about rud he for sure did not project chams of turkey as he is sourcing to the local officials about the local population does it seem to you local population in turkey about vickers it is not only vickers banfi states clearly the arvanites of northwestern greece are part of the modern albanian nation vickers is a reliable source and just because some call her pro albanian does not make her unusable in here nevertheless is there any argument against the upper number of chams in greece