jimbo i hope you'll take this as it's meantthat is without too much rancorbut i think it's time for you to put up or shut up i think the problem that at least some people are having with your issues with eric is that while you're talking about it you're not actually doing anything about it if you think eric should be banned don't just snark about it on your talk page actually start a ban discussion on an or arbcom case request or whatever you think should be done because right now at least from where i'm sitting all it looks like is that you just want to take potshots at him from the sidelines and until this ani thread in a place where you forbade him from responding which is hardly an open discussion and you don't actually care about fixing this failure of governance if you really think this is a problem that needs solving then it's time to get on your proverbial horse and ride marshal your various arguments and diffs of evidence and start the discussion in the appropriate place this talk page ain't it just like any other editor stop talking and start doing oh and if you think that well i can't start it because i'm jimbo and people will think that jimbo starting a discussion means it won't be fair to eric well snarking from the sidelines against him isn't much better so why are you doing that