what bothers me the most is your refusal to consider my point i never said you don't use the quran i said you're not an arabic speaker if you were you'd realize that the tafaseer do not see this as an eclipse nor does yusuf ali's translation match the arabic text there is neither engulfed or buried or even darkness in the verse in question there is only the verb khasafa which means darkened that's where the word for eclipse comes from khosoof the classical interpreters' work is good enough for me none have suggested it's an eclipse as i've pointed out in our discussion as to the charge of personal attacks i reject it i said you're neither an arabic speaker nor a muslim i may be wrong about the latter but it's obvious you're relying on yusuf ali's translation rather than the original text i've also said you're vandalizing the page i started and violating its intent and philosophy the reason i say this is that you insist on adding your view to the main body of the article before we've settled it first in the discussion page now that's vandalism and i'm more than happy to let the admins settle this between us