hi micky hey not sure if my last message went out or not my system sort of froze up for a bit and i could not log back on for a bit the gist of what i typed folows not intending to be a smart aleck but the seal as opposed to the coat of arms doesn't appear in color officially i think deb markowitz secreatary of stae for vermont would back up that it is a single color device i really do like the seal it was deisgned by ira allen and is refreshingly differnet from most others perhaps a trifle na ve in design but a nice device it was designed to have dies cut for embossing so it is high contrast line art not showing shafiding or multiple colors if you take a look at the staes of maine california michigan you note more of a full color with shading and dpeth sort of treatment these though labled seals are all heraldically like a coat of arms if we look at nations like the netherlands uk canda we see coats of arms american civic heraldry is different vermont like many of our older east coast states has a coat of arms that is described by a statute what can be called a blazon because vermont's coat of arms is so great i would love to see it used somewhere maybe as an illustration on the vermont page and as its own entry if the word seal in the sidebar is boiler plate and can not be changed to coat of arms could we use a solis dark green or medium gray without the color and possibly use the more colorful coat of arms for the state links at botom of page it's a thought i grew up in vermont i see you are from enlgand what part i am doing a signage and branding project in sevenoaks kent at present best jim