what is vietnam advance software company what is vietnam advance software company and why is someone in vietnam defending cia actions i have no idea what vietnam advance software company is why and who cares what country i'm in a i happen to live in vietnam i don't see why that should make it strange if i express my views on certain wiki pages if you don't believe me feel free to read my blog sorry for the shameless plug but i've been told i should self promote more and b i actually am not defending the cia i've taken up the article as a pet project to learn more about how to use wikipedia and interact with the wiki community before i take on bigger projects next spring the views i express are not in defense of the cia but are actually in any effort to improve the cia main page and make it more neutral and accurate i have no idea what vietnam advance software company is why because the ip you used before you created this account was from vietnam advance software company maybe that is your web provider i was just curious if you had heard of the company since a google search revealed a paltry hits and who cares what country i'm in most people who criticize the section you removed are conservative americans not vietnamese again i was curious i actually am not defending the cia your ip statement was pretty strong it is the same tone of those who have wanted to defend the cia before and who actively do pov deletions and moves maybe you are not defending the cia the views i express are not in defense of the cia but are actually in any effort to improve the cia main page and make it more neutral and accurate it is easy for people to move sections they don't agree on i applaud you for not deleting this section as some people do it is harder but much more productive to do this counterpoints are welcome and make the article stronger read the references provided and see if these articles are accurately written about in the cia article editors and fact checkers on wikiarticles are severely needed i welcome your input into these sections i look forward to working with you more i think you have a slight misconception of my motives for moving the sections actually i am not suggesting moving these sections because i actually disagree with any of them on the contrary i have no basis to refute any of them i think they should be moved to their own article because the topic i e operations of the cia is so large and comprehensive it should have its own article furthermore the cia main page is too unwieldy as it is actually under the current form i think it discourages people from reading about the operations because it's simply too much text placed after they have already read an extensive amount about the cia history organization etc counterpoints won't do any good but to make the page more complicated and unwieldy you're right fact checking is important for these sections but also very difficult to adequately accomplish for even seasoned jouranlists and academitions this only furthers my point that it is something that should not take place on the cia main page because it will inherently cause the page to be in too much constant flux and flow although you argue that you are not a defender of the actives cia i personally think the way you describe the criticism section of the cia as user and user morethan word show a clear pov bias you are in good company thus far every single one of the editors who want this section moved are conservatives with clear pov bias which is seen in their edits and edit warring ultramarine is incredibly conservative and has been known to delete large sections text which just happen to conflict with his personal conservative pov so it is no surprise that he supports such a move thus far every single one of the editors who want this section to remain have clear pov bias like me which is seen in their edits and edit warring re spa until you get more edits under your belt on other pages you are in fact a wp spa which makes most veteran wikipedians weary that is why the spa page was created unfortunately it is has been the behavior of veteran editors in the past to create new accounts and jump into heated arguments making it appear like there is more support for their position than their truly is whether you are