can we keep this neat and sequential we have all had trouble with approach to our queries one of the most experienced editors in wikipedia's history not flattery a matter of record has come along and mediating indicated by a specific example how a line by line analysis of the contested passage should proceed he can't waste all of his time in here but i hope he can tarry a day or two and see if michael can respond adequately and in sequence to the conditions 's words 'the ebionites considered simeon of jerusalem a brother of jesus simeon of jerusalem eisenman's evidence as cited by michael 'as i said eisenman repeats himself i e he makes the same point simon as jesus' brother ' i am afraid only direct consultation of eisenman is going to resolve this 'pp xxii ' p xxii though peter s name has now become powerful he may not be as historical as we think he is and the role we attribute to him may possibily be an amalgam of that of several individuals by the same name one a martyred cousin of both jesus and james and their reputed successor in palestine simeon bar cleophas p it is possible that the cephas being referred to in between the references to peter in paul s letters is another simon or simeon the simeon bar cleophas mentioned above as jesus first cousin just as simon peter in scripture is represented as being the successor to jesus this simon or simeon is represented by early church tradition as being the successor to james he is also of the family of jesus cleophas being specifically denoted as the uncle of jesus but p as we proceed it will probably transpire that this cleophas is not the uncle of jesus but rather his father and there are traditions that to some degree represent him as such in john for instance he is represented as the husband of mary and this is probably true etc p the picture in early church sources of the words of james successor simeon bar cleophas the rechabite priest who rebukes those stoning james the just ' p the election of simeon by universal consent as bishop of the church the restriction to jerusalem this time dropped p eusebius when discussing the election of simeon bar cleophas to succeed james as bishop of the jerusalem community or second bishop of the early church since jerusalem was by this time in ruins it is difficult to see simeon simply as second bishop of jerusalem whether simeon is the cousin germane of jesus as eusebius puts it or the second or third brother of jesus also simon or simeon will be discussed later p eusebius retains hegesippus internal references even though at this point he does not enumerate what these sects were he does in a later passage where his note about the election of simeon bar cleophas to succeed james for some reason triggers a discussion of hegesippus life pp a suppose we were to say as also concluded above that by rechabite eusebius was trying to same something similar to essene nazirite or ebionite then out of this band of essene or ebionite priests one james cousin and successor simeon bar cleophas emerged as the next bishop of the jerusalem community in palestine only after the fall of the temple and jerusalem there clearly was no jerusalem community any longer to speak of b if we now superimpose the story of the stoning of stephen from acts upon the story of the stoning of james from epiphanious and eusebius then simeon bar cleophas or the rechabite priestly witness becomes james and presumably simeon s ideological adversary paul paul takes the place of his opposite number james successor in palestine simeon bar cleophas the only difference being that while one approves the other disapproves of what was done p 'there is no mention on this page of simeon bar cleop