i see you have now meet mr goethean i tried very hard myself to bring npov to the roskam article and found that i was basically gang banged by editors as well as a admin friendly to the two editors who where engaged in edit revert wars and wikilawyering i found that over the course of weeks almost ever one of my edits were reverted and was blocked and banned because i dared to question them and found the arrogances and condescension to be frustrating to a point of rage now i wish you good luck with the hard working goetheaning and his wp own ship crew my war is not out of here and working with my freind pete i happen to know him personally he know this places very well good luck joehazelton ps i did tryied by now i hate wikipedia and wish it ill due to my expericance here i will work hard now to take it down the sets me apart for the slick and educated because on the south side of chicago were i grew up be are simple and more honest joehazelton