it was in response to a question that i asked in replying to a post by afd hero although i did not ask the question specifically of slowart i would have thought that just providing an asked for diff was pretty much what arbcom had in mind when they allowed the banned editors to respond if you are now interpreting things more strictly that is fine with me you might like to look at the link yourself and see if you can work out exactly who suggested 'tree shaping' and on what basis