i support these changes the key thing here is the placement of the counter narrative or call it what you will this is a defining element of the page and of the story let me explain why i think it should have its own section this page is called tiananmen square self immolation incident not ''tiananmen square self immolation hoax or tiananmen square staged self immolation that is correct but at the same time it is the same name that would be used if they were confirmed falun gong members since the nature of the incident is so crucial to defining the story and that by default the 'argument' of the piece that is the entire way in which the story is known to the world is through the claim that the individuals were falun gong practitioners there would be no such thing as the tiananmen square self immolation incident if it were not claimed that they were falun gong members in this situation making clear that there is a well founded counter narrative is important it's not something to stuff away to a side box or the corner of the article it should not dominate the page but it should be as prominent as the other narrative or more so depending on the evidence and wp due therefore i think placing all of that information in its own section is quite appropriate the other speculations and disputations about the identity of the people and so forth the parts that are not strictly evidence based are separate to this arc this is my opinion i apologise for the laborious way i communicated it i think it is a joke to dispute pan's investigation that's the most solid piece of evidence available in the whole thing most of the rest is just image making speculation video cuts and propaganda and counter propaganda zujine talk