sorry andrewc i was searching the web to see if others were having the same trouble as i it appears they are and from exactly the same crowd of editors etc with occasionally a new one thrown in why the comment you must be addressing was on a talk page of someone i never heard of befor fleet something i believe you appear to even be monitoring somewhat private talk pages wiki is more of a joke than i suspected of course being able to control the information that the public sees on issues is probsably far more important powerful than i even imagine ps the burning fat ladies thing has got to go there must be someway to counter this bs the vast majority love that phrase lifted it from the irving section of real historians are ganging up on you of course not too many physicists think kerosene melts steel either or the sun is a minor player in climate have you noticed how the tone of global warming has mellowed lately could it be me i doubt it too it is now please put down the time your software got word of this missive thanks