yes pre embryological dunno about anybody else but wikipedia seem big enough for all of us so i for one am not proposing we go anywhere although i wonder if one day a 'wiki book' dedicated to information for patient's could be good also wonder if a highly formalised future wiki could seriously compete with medical textbooks but that is just pie in the sky thinking btw i too think the 'mess' is fantastic i guess we should all recruit new members i claim alteripse as my recruit gedday alteripse still have a long way to catch up with jfdw tho the proposal i've made is really just an add on suggestion to the good work already done you all