vitus again yes you did refute his existence you just changed your tune now he was never part of those bogus frat groups that is where the whole hoax biz started placing his name into that to make him look bad also there is some hacker in the works that is confussing posts that is their game and i was able to call him her them for that i know because what was posted when i was blocked they got to be from the midwest and know vitus personally they gottahave some issues with the guy also you even found gilbert listed on an ebay site you know those lithos are by him and no one gets lithos without being in demand lithos are expensive to make you have to carve a whole stone and it isn't worth the cost for a publishing company to do if the artist is not notable it is just like being a published author if you want to go around and limit valid knowledge for everyone you aren't doing anything good also why is thorp school flagged how many articles are out ther about schools of no importance and there is plenty of info out there to note it a a magnet schoool for chicago so this is what i mean covus bogus behavior fingers are pointed peoples reputations are ruined and the witch hunts begin