when are you going to learn that a definition should only be accurate and correct and has nothing to do with narrow minded you should read your crap out loud and hear how bad it sounds university libraries and journal search tools are you serious like i'm going to find plenty of people reviewing the latest lp that had a few hundred copies pressed at best when it came out i don't have little distro order forms from the early 's either those things usually contain little descriptions of bands albums even if i did you wouldn't take them as legit sources anyway as you would delete anything like that if i edited this topic you don't let anyone skew from the word of greenwald what's greenwald have on other people with websites his crap has an isbn number to it big deal you already shot down fourfa com what makes greenwald better than andy radin or ben gook's article why mention blush when he gets referenced times and clearly is not someone that's written about emo other than filling out the 's hardcore scene history by briefly mentioning the revolution summer maybe i'll write a book self publish copies make a website to promote it then i can fix this garbage up of course after all that hard work you'd just delete it anyway because you love pushing the agenda of lies here