piber is up hey out from my sandbox finally is piber can you review it and let me know what mistakes are in there i pulled a lot of material from the piber web site swiped some material from the lipizzan article but some bits are just what was in german wiki then i took my best guess the english translations on the official site were a little sketchy though much better than google's version and i did the best i could let me know if there is anything that needs to be fixed or you can also just fix it if you want if you want to see what the german text was that i started from see talk