pov talk section moved pov i've tried to clean things up a bit though someone else will have to remove the vandalistically applied christianity template lest i be reported for edit warring by humus i've added a link to the christianity and judaism portals in the see also section these links are more fitting than claiming this is part of the series on christianity this article was very heavy on anti jfj stuff a lengthy criticism section as well as criticisms inserted into nearly every other section the missionaries are taught to speak in hebrew these people already went to hebrew school and jfj is known to target vulnerable jews oh really and most of the funding comes from christians well did we think it was coming from muslims and religious jews and the current leader is not jewish even though his mother father all grandparents were apparently jewish some of the criticisms' references were just opinion pieces from religious jews who oppose conversion most come from biased publications that don't meet wikipedia's reliable sources standards including these references is analogous to editing the buddhism article to say that all buddhists will burn in hell along with a reference to some fire n brimstone website anyway if all we're trying to get across is that some even many jewish people and groups oppose jfj we don't need to spread it all over the article it isn't at all surprising that religious jews don't want other jews to accept jesus every missionary movement is opposed by someone friend your edits pushed your delusion that j j is just another jewish denomination that a bunch of long bearded hassidim oppose you don't seem to comprehend how the group ruffles feathers throughout the whole length and breadth of the jewish community even among commies and even among a lot of christians as it is contrary to the spirit of modern ecumenicism j j is as much defined by the hostility to it as anything else that is the state of play i think that you can make a case if you feel the wording is not neutral but you can't water down the unanimous opposition to j j and call that npov thanks for the friend nice words are always welcome even though the rest is not please don't accuse me of pushing my delusions some jewish groups may strongly oppose them but there's no way to show that all mainstream jewish groups including secular groups strongly oppose them without taking the liberty of defining who all the mainstream jewish groups are and what degree of opposition is strong can you really not see this simple truth beyond that it just isn't appropriate to overwhelm this article with criticism i outlined this above already statements like j j approachs vulnerable jews are unabashedly pov and tautological if anyone converts then its clear they were vulnerable to conversion so if anyone approached converts then j j has approaches vulnerable jews it's not in question that all missionary groups are converting someone from some belief system to another but it is only barely notable that someone opposes this conversion does mcdonald's oppose burger king and try to put them out of business at every turn yes but who cares do drug smugglers strongly oppose dea agents coming along and busting up their operations yes but it would be silly to put it in an article everyone has opposition and it just goes without saying still i wouldn't be strongly opposed to his article having a section on opposition but nearly every corner of this article is littered with criticism that is all essentially the same compare this article to that of any other missionary group in the article christianity is there a section labeled incompatibility with paganism and a belief that is incompatible with paganism and all pagan groups strongly oppose christianity do we see incompatibility with catholicism in the protestant article i know this analogy is not going to be satisfying but no analogy is ever complete what are the further objections yes the group may be called jews for jesus and that offends people but what would you have them call themselves would jews that are now christians but still consider themselves jewish be better they did use jackie mason in a pamphlet they also used steve jobs and curious george and a whole bunch of others but i don't see steve jobs supporters here furious about jews for jesus deceiving ipod owners into believing in jesus i've given up on the fair play of