edit request on january i'm requesting that the charles manson article be edited to reflect the fact manson allegedly believed in helter skelter but this has not been confirmed by the man himself as a matter of fact vince bugliosi stated in a recent interview that helter skelter was not on manson's mind and the killers had the instinct in them already to commit the murders this interview can be found on youtube and is what i consider to be a total contradiction to bugliosi's past claims this is how i feel the following article sections should read manson allegedly believed in what he called helter skelter a term taken from the song of the same name by the beatles it was said manson believed helter skelter to be an impending apocalyptic race war which he described in his own version of the lyrics to the beatles' song but this is debatable since manson never publicly confirmed anything of the sort according to prosecutor vince bugliosi manson supposedly believed his murders would help precipitate that war from the beginning of his notoriety this connection with rock music linked him with a pop culture in which he ultimately became an emblem of insanity violence and the macabre helter skelter main article helter skelter manson scenario for some time manson had been saying that racial tension between blacks and whites was growing and that blacks would soon rise up in rebellion in america's cities he had emphasized martin luther king jr 's assassination which had taken place on april on a bitterly cold new year's eve at myers ranch the family members gathered outside around a large fire listened as manson explained that the social turmoil he had been predicting had supposedly also been predicted by the beatles the white album songs he allegedly declared told it all although in code furthermore it was said he maintained or would soon maintain the album was directed at the family itself an elect group that was being instructed to preserve the worthy from the impending disaster in early january the family escaped the desert's cold and positioned itself to monitor l a 's supposed tension by moving to a canary yellow home in canoga park not far from the spahn ranch because this locale would allow the group to remain submerged beneath the awareness of the outside world manson called it the yellow submarine another beatles reference there family members prepared for the impending apocalypse which around the campfire manson had allegedly termed helter skelter after the song of that name by february the so called helter skelter vision was complete the family would create an album whose songs as subtle as those of the beatles would trigger the predicted chaos this is just a theory however and many have viewed the album differently supposedly ghastly murders of whites by blacks would be met with retaliation and a split between racist and non racist whites would yield whites' self annihilation blacks' triumph as it were would merely precede their being ruled by the family which would ride out the conflict in the bottomless pit a secret city beneath death valley at the canoga park house while family members worked on vehicles and pored over maps to prepare for their desert escape they also worked on songs for their world changing album when they were told terry melcher was to come to the house to hear the material the women prepared a meal and cleaned the place but melcher never arrived crowe shooting on may terry melcher visited spahn ranch to hear manson and the women sing melcher arranged a subsequent visit not long thereafter on which he brought a friend who possessed a mobile recording unit but he himself did not record the group by june manson was allegedly telling the family they might have to show blacks how to start helter skelter when manson supposedly tasked watson with obtaining money supposedly intended to help the family prepare for the conflict watson defrauded a black drug dealer named bernard lotsapoppa crowe crowe responded with a threat to wipe out everyone at spahn ranch manson countered on july by shooting crowe at his hollywood apartment manson's mistaken belief that he had killed crowe was seemingly confirmed by a news report of the discovery of the dumped body of a black panther in los angeles although crowe was not a member of the black panthers manson concluding he had been expected retaliation from the group spahn ranch was turned into a defensive camp with night pa