re patron saints of places i noticed on the talk page two separate comments going back a few years that the page would be more user friendly if the listing was according to place accordingly i've been trying to re sort the entries towards that end i've been making the changes in what i hope are manageable bits partly because it's very time consuming and i don't want to lose anything particularly the citations and partly because i've been waiting for someone to object i take it from your welcomed feedback that i may proceed as far as the other patron articles in general since an article on any individual saint would indicate their various areas of patronage geographic and otherwise i think the over all listings would be better grouped by topic however those pages seem somewhat less pressing because at least they are separated alphabetically whereas i found the places page a bit confusing particularly because a number of the historical places are now known as something else i am going to see if i can find some images as well unless there is a rule against images and lists on another note i was looking for a clean up listing for the saints portal but the one i found dates back to is there a more current one somewhere i noticed your comment on the wt x talk page and i would be interested in helping out a bit on advent christmas content if you like appreciate the input mannanan