very sorry if it seems like i am steam rolling what you are doing but i have refrenced everything i have done and none of them have been simple reverts in particular i feel that you have misunderstood the reference from the ava this may sound strange but i feel that i am removing bias against mulesing as you can see i have tried to remove the emotive language tonight your move of the information to controversy got me thinking about cleaning up the article so i removed any duplicity i found this resulted in a much smaller controversy section but all the material is still in the article except for info about the arthritis study i just couldnt find a place where it would fit i have specifically answered the should may question if you have any other specific queries to what i have done jsut ask on mulesing talk