emo has a specific meaning like banana not an all inclusive one like fruit i could not possibly disagree more it's impossible to split the historical and popular notions of emo because they're the same thing since my grunge example failed here's another hip hop in the s hip hop described dance influenced music that featured light hearted lyrics as performed by groups like digital undergound and dj jazzy jeff and the fresh prince in the s hip hop described gangsta rap as performed by snoop dr dre and pac in the s hip hop described an r b influenced almalgamation of the two as performed by nelly and cent your arguments that the original emo is the only emo is like claiming that nelly and cent aren't hip hop because their music sounds little to nothing like the s version of hip hop instead hip hop of should be remembered for some nyc underground band whose sound is reminiscent of s hip hop here's the key ask someone in twenty years what emo was like in what bands would you honestly expect them to throw out indie bands that few people have heard of or popular bands like coheed and cambria splitting the scenes into waves is a perfectly acceptable way to reflect the popularity of emo over the years if you were to ask a random person what emo was in the s they'd probably say rites of spring ask a random person what emo was in the s they'd probably say sunny day real estate or jimmy eat world don't disagree with this point simply because you would think of someone else first journalists and record labels didn't decide that the second wave of emo was emo fans of the music did regardless of how you feel about it that's what happened it's historical and true no matter who deemed modern emo to be emo fans have accepted it end of story encyclopedic articles and wiki articles according to the official guidelines are supposed to reflect the historical record shared by the most people only a modest handful of people have heard of bands like hot cross and trophy scars no matter how much you wish otherwise it's perfectly acceptable to include references to bands that still practice original emo that's a worthy part of the historical record however your insistence that modern emo is illegitimate and should not be covered in the same article is a minority pov which the wiki rules are explicitly against seriously don't get me wrong i'm entirely frustrated that emo means something else now than it did ten years ago every time i mention to people that i was in an emo band in the late s i basically have to defend myself and go into some long winded explanation that's completely meaningless to them but that's life that's how things are now and how the word emo has shifted in the last twenty years they know emo to be something completely different from what it was and i have to live with that and so does everyone else working on this article chrisb