spoiler tags oh sorry didn't know about the standard i've just been copying what i see on existing pages i've also been adding a few cast lists in table format do those look okay are there other specific standards i should know i looked at the opera project page but it doesn't give much detail on formatting any pointers would be a help so i don't do more stuff that has to be changed thanks trivia thanks for backing me up on the removal of trivia in carmen i feel wikipedia needs to offer more than just interesting but pointless information peer review hey kleinzach i hope japan is lovely i was wondering if you would do me the favor of taking an excursion away from your purview of opera and take a look at a pre opera article i've been working on concerto delle donne the page for the peer review is wikipedia peer review concerto delle donne i'd appreciate any comments you might have thanks talk ivan petrov hello zinnober i don't quite understand this remark theer is nothing strange in providing the link to the german article incidentally written by me because as the latest example ettore bastianini tends to prove english speaking wikipedians seem to deliberately ignore other languages and alos because petrov is indeed little known and bears a very common name like john smith if it were he was a very fine singer though as the external link on petrow will show you should do something about alain lombard de fr as well he was a very famous french opera conductor and director in the s before sliding slowly down until being completely forgotten today cheers zinnober who a mistake at any rate the opera project page really isn't the place for leaving unexplained cryptic links to foreign wikipedias please respect the way the main page is formatted if you want to say something to members of the project then use the talk page in any case if a singer is little known except to you then the thing to do is to start of the article yourself the point of the 'can you help' section is to suggest names that other people are likely to be interested in it's not for some form of personal pov promotion regarding your point about english speaking wikipedians has it occurred to you that a lot of them can't speak foreign languages klein zaches genannt called zinnober eta hoffman only a private joke sorry about the other point neither do i speak japanese or finnish but whenever i write an article i provide the links if available to those wikis it's not a matter of knowledge it is i am afraid a matter of will it's laborious to search 'manually' for articles in other languages people use interwiki bots for this i know but i won't let my world be completely taken over by machines cheers weisgall's the stronger edit this is to differentiate it from the strindberg play and other items songs etc entitled stronger using an adjective in a title is a can of worms in wikipedia see stronger my wife is working on the weisgall and noticed it was missing from his list of works so i discovered the can of worms thanx for noticing opera singers honestly i know of only one winnie b we performance hilary summers on the other hand is a noted contemporary british contralto