request can someone do clean up the philosophical and artistic gestures it's really long winded it's a painting of a pipe i call it abstract surrealism since surrealism was based off of freud along with the conscious interpreation of visual perception i call it surreal here we go again about the abstract versus the representational branches of surrealism surrealism is an artistic movement so one should not analyse it only in terms of painting mir was not an abstract painter he vehemently denied this and detested abstract painting i disagree wikipedia currently defines an art movement as a tendency or style in art with a specific common philosophy or goal followed by a group of artists during a restricted period of time which surrealism clearly is the tendency being towards weirdness user i think that it is fairly undeniable that surrealism was a movement cf the manifestos of breton the internal wrangling etc one may be able to interpret it is a non artistic movement especially considering its revolutionary politics but i think that given the program laid out by breton himself surrealism is best understood as an artistic movement of course to describe it as simply the tendency towards weirdness is to miss most if not all of what surrealism and certainly magritte's work was about although i am certainly not accusing to previous poster of actually subscribing to such a view mar utc title beneath the title of the painting is written beneath it seemingly a contradiction but meaning that the image of the pipe is not itself a pipe as far as i know limited indeed 'ceci n'est pas une pipe' is written below it not 'the betrayal of images' which is the generally accepted title of the work perhaps clarification may be worthwhile feb utc fixed talk apr utc treachery betrayal of images before my edit the article contained two references to the translation of la trahison des images as the betrayal of images and one to the treachery of images i changed the former to conform to the latter my reasoning besides the fact that i've always heard of this particular painting referred to as the treachery and never the betrayal is that although the french trahison can mean either betrayal or treachery the two english words have very distinct meanings a betrayal is a treacherous action and betrayal without the indefinite article refers to specific treacherous acts being committed whereas treachery is the character trait of being prone to committing such acts and magritte seems to clearly mean that images can be deceptive by their nature not that images are collectively committing a single act of betrayal so the treachery of images seems to me to be the better translation the young gaze scents the festivity of the old tree i have done a web search for this title and couldn't find any matching images the title however was mentioned in an article on the website mysanantonio com you can visit the article by clicking here the description in that article seems to match that of a work from titled the legend of the centuries which already appears in the list if anyone is familiar with this work they could run an image search for the legend of the centuries to see if it is the same ban i would like to propose a ban against this ip for vandalism sorry if i can't do that here the ip address is registered to the university of connecticut and has consistently vandalised this and other articles photo additions disrespectful substitutions for the artists' actual work please do not insert your photograph of the article's subject at the top of the page as was done on november with henry moore and ren magritte without discussing it here on the talk page even if the photograph did show us clearly what the artist looked like and these do not such an addition should be discussed here first the photo caption credit to wikilinked lothar wolleh is also troubling