i agree with you here wmc the net of his contributions are a positive but his attitude and belief that everything he thinks is right no matter what others think is taxing when it comes down to it the only policy he's possibly violated is wp civil but i worry that his continued bumping of the line never really crosses it will chase away other editors to the point where people just let him do whatever he wants i blow it off but other editors probably don't the question i don't have an answer to is do we expect all the other editors to sack up and deal with his attitude or ask him to tone it down a bit '''talktome