there's no irony at all the op was referring to my original edits on the article's talk page the discussion you are referring to took place in a different place namely on the editor's talk page that being said i encourage you to look up the wp article on clowns it's pretty damn good and seems to be a suitable description for people reverting edits without checking their facts only to figure out later that they were indeed mistaken yeah right that's the waste of time i was referring to however thanks for taking the time for pouring even more oil into fire great job