social justice article hi please see me response to your changes on the talk social justice page cheers replied on talk social justice regarding taking to rfd you know i'm not really sure i don't imagine there would be a problem just removing all the text from afd and listing at wp rfd however the afd page would need to be deleted by a sysop a tag on that page with an edit summary not too different from afd listing page created by me in error redirect will now be listed at wp rfd should do the trick oh and sorry for not responding for many hours i was at work that damn making a living malarkey sometimes gets in the way of editing wikipedia done thanks for your help and don't worry about taking a little while to get back this 'working from home' malarky has the advantage that i can play with wp all the time it also has the disadvantage that i can play with wp all the time and never get any work done cheers leading paragraphs for articles hi samclark this is just a comment that was made to me that i thought i would pass onto you for you to think about and respond how you please the leading paragrpahs in global justice and your draft at user sam clark justice read like the introduction to an essay particularly the last sentences which say what the article will discuss this is what i did when i created a few articles from scratch mainly because the only type of writing i ever do is for essays but a couple of people have commented that as an encyclopaedic article the first section is more like a synopsis rather than an introduction and would generally just sum up the points of the rest of the article for instance instead of it considers the various ways in which justice has been understood distinguishes two broad kinds of justice and then describes several theories of justice under each of those two headings it could say something like there are various ways to understand justice but generally you ca distinguish between two kinds of justice distributive justice and retributive justice distributive justice is concerned with the proper distribution of good things while retributive justice is concerned with the proper response to wrongdoing and then it would just go straight into the article if you look at most of the long standing and comprehensive articles that seems to be the way they are written cheers heh good point in my case it's being in the habit of writing lecture notes but the same point applies i'll change thanks rewrite of justice i think it would be great to see the derivation of the word justice from the latin not the french etc and perhaps a section on history on how our understanding of the term has evolved ie what it meant in different times and different places justice is defintely a philosophical concept and so it is important to discuss the philosophical meanings and debates concerning justice but it is also a political judicial term as well as an everday term that people use and so it would be good to have all of this represented in the article eventually i think stuff like this from the original article is very important in most cases what one regards as just not necessarily meaning what is just is determined by consulting established and agreeable principles employing logic or natural law in specific systems justice is determined by consulting a majority or in social contexts where religion dominates justice may be thought to require deference to religious texts or to spiritual guidance under a monarchy or authoritarian state the ruler s determined what was just and doled out justice all of these determinants of justice have at times delivered particularlly dark periods of history where justice was seen to be absent if a person lives under a specific set of laws in a country concepts of justice are often simply deferential to the existing law the issuing of punitive reprimands for violations may be referred to as serving justice in principle this fits the general concept in that the individuals get what is supposedly due to them justice however is a universal and absolute concept laws principles religion etc are merely attempts to codify the concept occasionally with results that entirely contradict the true nature of justice also this paragraph ''in some cases justice is not e