that makes sense to me as i reflect on this i think that part of the potential for confusion is that the point as i understand it is that uva's e school was the first one that was associated with a university at the time of its founding as opposed to one that became associated later or one that was part of a school that expanded its mission perhaps another idea would be to say the first to be founded as part of a university or something similar to that i like the idea of the footnote with the stronger source either way though i recall there was a to do about the jefferson society a while back and there was a question about whether their site was a sufficient source due to the notion that they have a conflict of interest in that they consider it prestigious to be the oldest debating society the same argument might apply to the e school's site insofar as they claim to be the oldest for prestige reasons