since my other attempts have failed to get through i'll go back to fisking heqwm continuing to make edits against consensus is unhelpful consensus what planet are you on there have been only two other editors commenting and one seems to agree that other sources are required and the other agrees that wikipedia can't accept an editors own personal interpretation of the bible i will not further address your points on civility we're here to discuss issues not people at the same time calling my responses ridiculous sours the debate ah so you won't discuss civility except to criticize me posting ridiculous arguments is what sours the debate i can't have a discussion with you if you insist on making up new definitions for words such as plain reading meaning whatever i say it means and opinion meaning anything people disagree on i have not labeled your views in such a way and am carefully avoiding this so declaring your interpretation plain meaning is not in any way conceited and a clear declaration that my position is without any merit i have cited the bible like it directly says did you even read what i wrote your editing of my words indicate that you didn't even bother trying to understand what i'm saying i have explained why even on plain reading one is not forced to accept that ten commandments there must refer to the ritual decalogue and i have said again and again and again that i am not saying that and yet you insist on misrepresenting my position