in wp music there is a criterion that calls bands who are subject of a radio or tv broadcast of significant length either or minutes can't remember exact details notable i think that anthony cox's documentary would make this group notable so i therefore won't be reopening the case if you still feel the wrong decision was made a drv would be your best option by the way i don't outlaw references to the church's own website entirely they can still support facts that other publications are unlikely to cover even for subjects that are notable beyond any shadow of a doubt birthday's in biographies are one such thing articles just don't have to rely on them too much talk