all right i may have to concede defeat here personally i see the case as crystal clear but it's the opinions of rss that count not my own ftr my textbook is the historical jesus by theissen and merz they cite dalman klausner maier and thoma individual scholars are bound to disagree but does anyone have a disinterested secondary or tertiary source that describes the dispute at second hand wp weight says that when there are sources on opposite sides of an issue we look for second hand descriptions of the dispute and personally if you think that yeshu isn't jesus could someone name any historical figure that matches yeshu better i would really change my mind if someone could explain who yeshu is if not jesus he's s sorcerer named yeshu later identified as the nazarene who has disciples and who is executed around passover who is that if not jesus if that's now how the talmud portrays jesus how does the talmud portray him talk ten references