traditional or simplified chinese i've moved this to a new section because it has become difficult to continue two topics in the same section i would like to discuss what should be done about the issue of traditional and simplified chinese in tw related articles without discussing romanisation methods my aim is just to get a consensus either way and not simply to push my ideas on wiki i have tried posting similar topics in the hk page as well as the manual of style but it seems hard to have an active discussion let alone get any real consensus why are we still including both sets in these articles naturally i support removing simplified chinese from tw related articles it is just as misleading to include traditional chinese in the prc article as it is to include simplified chinese in the roc article i am not talking about matters of race or cultural identity but about de facto usage users in the pinyin section have argued quite well that hanyu pinyin should be included in roc articles because it is used de facto even in tw so why then can't we eliminate simplified chinese from the tw related articles as tw's de facto standard is traditional chinese only wiki is not a chinese dictionary so is there any reason to include tw and prc's writing systems in the articles of the other this doesn't have anything to do with anyone's personal views on one china or two chinas but rather is an issue of reflecting the language situation in both areas and cleaning up articles open for more discussion