fool why are you not willing to debate that fact at hardcore punk motorhead at a minimum is nwobhm where do you think the heavy came from thin air hard rock and early metal combined with punk rock is hardcore not totally in but from with battalion of saints at a minimum up til now so all of a sudden that page shows up no other editing more or less except hc did either of you even have a career in hc do you think you own the page is that your sock puppet its going to be investigated glad you got involved duh what does this mean to you it took the previous punk sound and added the incessant heavy drumbeats and distorted guitar sound of new wave of british heavy metal bands especially mot rhead that is on the actual page so basically you don't care if its wrong hardcore didn't just happen out of thin air its a hybrid talk