spventi but perhaps it's safest to discuss your concerns before making arbitrary changes indeedly sorry for my thoughtlessness i have no intention to suggest a change from nakashite to nakasete but would feel better if miseyo is changed to miseu or miseyou because cannot be an expression of volition the version in spventi referred is modernized in wording and both of the two sources say it was written by i would say is the original plus the explanation sounds much more reliable than then should be a more adequate modern japanese word here than i suspect that it might be a typo or mistranslation now here is a third source a text book for junior high isbn in which the one for hideyoshi is written as spventi then the onus is on you to provide information that suggests otherwise indeedly but i can't find an english word to express hototogisu that is why i questioned it is a family of cuckoo but smaller and it really sings a popular bird next to uguisu who tells you the spring has come while hototogisu being the one for the summer here is an illustration i was not suggesting to change the word but just asking whether there was a better word to be used here if not it can stay as it is spventi your concern about the word coax is entirely misplaced and jim lockhart i think coax is fine for saying that hmmm i withdraw i trust you two than my dictionaries one comment to jim lockhart yes he used flattery when necessary especially in his early times and i don't think it gives a negative feeling by describing him that way that was not my worry what i wanted to say was that it is only one face of him you wrote resourseful as he was agreed now that i accepted the word coax and the form without first person i admit spventi's saying the changes you made to the english versions of the senryu were clearly not improvements sorry again one last question don't you feel like making some mutial reference between this section and toyotomi hideyoshi cultural point of interest