the ad hominem's never end with you do they i asked for examples and you have failed to give me any appart for your opinon that they violate these rules you opinion is not enough and i did say for you to just nominate them for deletion so if your case is so strong propose them for deletion because we are not going to agree and that's the only way your going to win this is it that you not have the courage of your convictions or are you just not man enough to take a chance with possible defeat