go away with your civil stuff mate if you'd have a sense discussion style you'd be able to say excuse me you're right on that instead of ignoring whole arguments on a high horse you may be a long time editor here but in this particular case my assertion stands as for the argument on gundell gardell likely perhaps but an assumption you can't verify that either unless you are able to verify in the book you did not state wether you verified or not i have to assume you are an authority somehow great example of how to inject untruth in wikipedia next time wikipedia's credibility is of subject somewhere i'll be sure to reference to this case just to point out the obvious as argument in that it doesn't matter if its true or not since the problem is that it is unclear wether its verified or not