hipocrite i doubt that one isolated incident is evidence of a long history of a pattern of incivility if there are other examples in recent history i'd be happy to evaluate them but no it doesn't mean that if pedro slips up months from now he's going to be insta blocked for all eternity and as for being on the recall list pedro asked me a long time ago if i'd have any objections to being on the list and i said no that's about it as far as i am aware being on the list means that i have the option of petitioning pedro to relinquish his admin privileges nothing more it doesn't mean i'm obligated to stalk all of his edits and make sure he's behaving at this point i haven't seen any evidence that would convince me that he is no longer fit to be an admin were the comments uncivil of course they were do they deserve a desysop or a block in my opinion unless there is clear evidence that this was more than just an isolated incident of a personal attack then no everyone screws up from time to time we don't desysop block people because they had a bad day unless it can be shown that they've been having a bunch of bad days recently and that it is disrupting people's ability to contribute to the encyclopedia frankly and i know you will probably all see this as the cabal protecting itself i see this as a witch hunt against an admin that you don't particularly get along with if you have a real issue with pedro and you have real evidence that this is a long term problem then please present evidence in the form of diffs and i will gladly evaluate it but i'm not going to waste my time searching for it myself because my hunch is that this is not going anywhere spout