do you mean where can i find a list of hobbits or where can i find software to construct a family tree if the latter i can recommend family tree maker available from when last i looked having said which i last used it on windows when it was just excellent that was version and they're up to version now i'm rather assuming that it hasn't deteriorated since they keep sending me adverts and it does look rather tasty i just can't find my round tuit besides the problem of placating the spousal over unit when i start all that up again hth hand talk mar utc