hitohiro saito hitohiro saito the son of morihiro saito was a child when he trained with ueshiba i see no reason to quote his memories of osensei there are dozens of osensei's students we could rather quote but let's stay out of that uchi deshi the new piece on notable uchi deshi needs to be fleshed out biography i would like to see the biography expanded a bit while avoiding style or author specific references it's a bit redundant when the points are made elsewhere about of ueshiba's biography was talking about saito and ueshiba's son each which have their own entries the links are adequet for finding the information i expanded the biography being careful not to exclude information already there would someone adress why in the section on deguchi there is very little information on his encounter with the chinese army i mention this because i believe the dodging balls of white light story should be first in the section of awakenings that led to the roots of aikido this story is very prevalent in aikdo literature and i wonder why it is not included soke morihei ueshiba i noticed that the soke is the name for founder of a style martial arts should ueshibas article include this title preceding unsigned comment added by talk contribs absolutely not soke is a title used by some japanese martial arts to refer to the founder or head but i have never heard the term used in aikido in japan ueshiba m is sometimes referred to as kaiso which means founder and in fact this term is far more commonly used than o sensei which seems to be a western affection i have actually run into aikidoists mortally offended by another art using the term o sensei as if it somehow slights ueshiba m both kaiso and o sensei tend to be used primarily within the aikikai and its newer derivatives in the older styles it is much more common to just hear ueshiba sensei but then again they do not have the confusion of familial succession personally i would like to see o sensei removed from the articles orther than a mention that some aikidoists refer to him as such but i think that would raise a few hackels hackles be dammed i reduced the number of o sensei's in the text and clarified its usage a tad i have never heard one japanese shihan use the term o sensei while in japan not saying they don't just that its not common well it's fine by me i only asked because i noticed gozo shioda is referred to as soke gozo shioda on the official yoshinkan website when i first saw it i figured that if shioda had a soke title then ueshiba should too oh by the way my own aikido club ki aikido usually just say ueshiba sensei or ueshiba i cant actually remember anyone using the phrase o sensei other than in a few introductionary speeches interesting point about yoshinkan i am more familiar with them using the term kancho but it is their choice perhaps they didn't use kaiso as not to confuse shioda with ueshiba soke would not be a wrong usage for either man just in the case of ueshiba it was not the term used i am going to ask a yoshinkan honbu instructor his opinion on this at shodokan honbu tomiki's dojo it is always ueshiba sensei and interestingly tomiki is always refered to as either shihan or sensei no other titles in ki society how is tohei sensei refered to tohei well i suppose it's mostly just tohei sensei and or tohei for mentionings in day to day training to say tohei without the sensei might sound disrespectful in japan but it is not in sweden as for the official formal titles of both koichi tohei and kenjiro yoshigasaki i have no idea my club belongs to the latters ki no kenkyukai internationale organisation by the way o sensei kanji can anybody verify if the kanji for o sensei this article says it is written as while the sensei article says i always