pardon me but it appears you're being far more vocal than i am on this matter and you haven't proven anything to me the only way you can be said to have proven something to me is if i am conviced of it and by the rest of the group you really mean you right i think we're all capable of discussing this without needing moderation i don't agree that the issues are resolved and how am i campaigning i'm trying to facilitate reasonable discussion of the issue as opposed to your unilateral declaration of this is the way it is and if you're going to accuse me of sockpuppetry you'd better have some hard evidence to back that up hint there isn't any as that's a serious accusation talk contribs