onih etc without meaning to be uncivil yer full of it the irish state does not endorse knee capping or extrajudicial shooting and plenty of bombs and punishment beatings and kindnappings and internment without trial in the same way the west claims endlessly moral superiority over china the muslim world communist states etc etc etc i thing eire and many other european countries can indeed claim substantial moral superiority over other western countries most specifically the us and uk which isn't to say eire is innocent but in the real world all things are relative