let me put it as hopefully good advice all this drama would not have been necessary abd if you would have also notified wmc as he suggested in his 'ban' post to me that is even completely separate from the point if you agree with the ban if it is a ban if the ban is appropriate or whatever i mean i am there not even using a policy or guideline to oppose the ban or to discuss my way out of it what to some may read as wikilaywer its just not necessary then i hope this helps t c p s i did not see the post on the workshop so you did say more about it my apologies though also that i would not see as the optimal venue either just as your own talkpage i hope this also explains t c