what i said was meant to be a tongue in cheek not a personal attack but no matter as you've done in the past you can now just claim i am being disingenuous whatever coupled with everything else that has come from admins on this page i see the above from jpgordon as just one more item in the nasty and rude and uncivil and mocking and demeaning list that's already been compiling at this point i'm just chocking this whole thing up to another episode in the continuing saga of wikipedia administrators behaving shamefully the spin off series will be wikipedia administrators who won't admit when they are wrong