agf you basically told me to buzz off when i asked you about it agf is not an excuse to just shove crap into the encyclopedia why just because you are part of some organized event to do something do think that means you should get a pass on doing it right you could have said something like good idea mate i'll remember that in the future and added the damn name of the city into the article that would have been agf on your part but instead you give some flimsy excuse that you are participating in some project as a reason not to do it right that is not agf did you actually think that the city name wasn't an important part of the article it would have taken you less time to add the city name than it did to write me back i have no idea what state freemantle is in or i would have done it myself it would have taken you less time to add the reference to the article than it did to put it in the afd which by the way you still haven't done once it is notable i will be happy to withdraw the afd your article did not meet notability you had the info at hand to get it there but rather than putting it in the article you are instead arguing about it at afd is it your expectation that someone should come along and clean up after you if you don't have a complete article draft it in userspace until you do btw you are the only one showing an attitude of own i haven't even edited on the article how could i be showing own the only reason to edit on wikipedia is to improve the encyclopedia not to create some benefit to a local organization my gripe in general is probably not with you but with the event's organizer however you certainly could have responded in a more productive way i will repeat if the project you are involved in is not telling you that the reason to create articles in wikipedia is to improve the encyclopedia they are doing you a disservice your article was and is not meeting wp gng it was probably not the best idea on my part to nominate it at afd but what is done is done fix it and i will be happy to withdraw it this conversation started with a helpful hint to a new editor try graciously accepting advice and this never would have happened you were focused on your project and forgot to look at the forest for seeing a tree let's get done what needs to get done and move on ok