hi beardo your rationale for my having removed el arsenal is misguided although understandable my reasoning was that i couldn't find any information linking the actual site of el arsenal to the site where the palmer shipyards are today i looked for several hours online but couldn't make heads or tails of it if you can verify put that reference back in by all means i just couldn't verify it in any way shape or form it's a tough one on account of the fact that we're talking about a centuries old location i just wanted to make sure that it was percent true actually zeitlen might have some insite on this he assisted me a great deal in how to provide sources sources etc take care gabrielfoto