kingpin thank you i think that would be appropriate talk responses i have made no legal threat to anyone it is a matter of an apparent breach of a moral obligation by sven manguard to me i worked hard with wikimedia australia over a three month period to develop an idea in great detail which is complex and has many original elements i conveyed some of the details to manguard after he assured me he had no intention of developing anything remotely similar i was then told by a third party that sven grabbed me on irc to tell me he is planning a similar project and that sven had said well i'm going ahead with it manguard has since said on my talk page you missed your chance your partnership fell through and if there is even the slightest chance of it coming to fruition it's not going to be for several more months i'm not going to drop my efforts and i'm not going to wait indefinitely for something that at this point i'm pretty sure is never going to happen actually the partnering institution had already agreed in principle and there has simply been a delay in implementation i have been led to believe that others in the wmf have been apprised of the idea but i'm in the dark as to what level of detail he has divulged and whether clearly identifiable details of my scheme have been or will be duplicated without attribution if distinctive and original details are being conveyed contrary to his undertaking to me it is a moral breach and if they are implemented without attribution to me that is also a moral breach if this occurs i believe i have a moral right to inform people of it this is the gist of what i said to manguard but now i'm been accused of making legal threats this is based on a complete misunderstanding in fact i don't have a legal foot to stand on in that respect and he knows it why is this being construed as anything legal for all we know manguard's ideas might be quite different but he needs to communicate them as a courtesy as much as a practicality i was the person who suggested publicly that manguard and adam be directors at fsc only a few weeks ago i believe manguard has done good work there so i don't understand why this spin out is happening it has quickly morphed into accusations of gross incivility threats of off wiki harassment and personal attacks i see no evidence of gross incivility by me aside from an unkind thing i said on his talk page yesterday not mature enough which i'm willing to withdraw nor of personal attacks instead i have endured major and repeated personal attacks on his and my talk pages no one has mentioned those this seems to have been mixed up with complaints about my reviewing at fsc they are surely two different issues if people are troubled by professional reviews of soundfiles i think there's a big problem for features sounds i have presented factual evidence and what i believe are balanced opinions and have supported a few wp produced files too i encourage wpians to present their own performances for fs promotion just as our photographers do at fsc but please let's review them professionally without fear or favour talk