to clarify i just re read some of my replies to you bb and in my usual manner i think they may have come across as rude this was not my intention and i just thought i would say without trying to sound condescending imo your questions are well thought out and reasoned i have not answered your questions about whether i think otis would have passed peer review for the simple fact that this would be my opinion as difficult as it maybe to believe i try to keep to what is cited by others my personal opinion or background means nothing in wiki and this is how it should be