your comments on davien crow delete nn having a poem published does not make you a poet let alone a notable one getting a picture on the wall at school does not make you an artist let alone a notable one but since the musicianship seems to be whats really at issue i say delete until the album is released then if and only if that album meets the music test recreate nateji i would like to point out that wp music only has to be met by requirement so even if you do not view the cds released on kidatrium and mushroomcloud records as albums the fact still remains that they his band sin star has been on national tours the remarks you made about the picture on the wall at school is churlish btw vcu's center for the arts is very reputable for it's art galleries if you read the page on them here at wikipedia you'd know those tidibits you took cheap shots at were simply part of the biography not claims to notability the music and the web design company should be the deciding factors and they do meet the rules so please reconsider by all means message me back if you wish to discuss this look the point summarized is i am willing to work with you guys on why these were deleted but until now noone has given us any feedback and has even lied about stuff trying to get it deleted all of them meet the sufficient amount of requirements for wp music the guidelines in wp criteria for inclusion of biographies wikipedia importance wikipedia notability the fact that suicide girls gidget gein and marilyn manson are involved and can be verified in those links should proove that wikipedia fame and importance mainly the part stating there is clear proof that a reasonable number of people are or were concurrently interested in the subject eg it is at least well known in a community if you can't tell the community of myspace com and livejournal com alone are enough to meet this criterea you are blind if you do google searches go to forums and search their names or visit internet archives you can find un disputable information on the band from reputable sources first hand accounts that are years older than these discussions and intangible archives kept by internet archives if you want more detail read my above rant your right i do sound mad about this because i can't see how you can say they do not meet criterea or that this is a vanity page please accept my apologies for anything you have taken to be rude and please re consider changing your vote what harm could it do btw i am not trying to bully anyone i can show you the location of the people threatening to come here and vandalize the hell out of wikipedia but i do not want that to be part of your decision at all please reference the large rebuttle on the discussion page itself i have posted this i hope that some of you will consider looking for my information and reconsider your vote for now a lot of people are simply responding to the rudeness of user sin thetik and some things i said are being misconstrude as threats i am simply upset because of all the time it took to write these articles knowing they fit the guidelines only to have somone delete them with the proof and verifiable facts right in front of them just their un willingness to read them please think it over i appreciate your time i'm just a fan girl trying to be the first to get an article up about them since i have been running a fan site about them for almost years now