to baristarim i did not say i am offended to be compared to the turks i am much aware of all the cultural similarities u mentioned and for thousands more what could somehow offend me is to compare greece state with turkey state and this is what i commented on i do not consider the turkish people responsible for what their military and government do and in fact i like all the turkish people i know and i never had any problem with them i know that in istanbul there many greek orthodox churches perhaps many more than in athens but there are no greek orthodox people anymore that was my point as for ocalan i'd rather not comment not cause i can't search for topal osman if it helps his grave is on a hill some meters above a greek church