thank you anyway for your comment you know i think contributors on wp en are a little bit naieve the reasons behind the fact that it is claimed these are not votes but discussions and that votes are not counted is to promote discussions above all and that is good but when you arrive at the level of a proposal of deletion or eg in the arbcom process people vote and then the reason behing the fact it is claimed these are not vote but again discussion is to give the opportunity to admins to stop a cabal or a group of power and in practice given they are admins with all pov's they have to count the votes this lead to the following inconsistence arbcom suggest some editors would not have the right to edit these pages given it is not a vote how can it be good for the encyclopaedia to prevent people to give arguments explaining a matter who is punished them or the encyclopaedia