i can not imagine why anyone would not want to know what the wider wikipedia community would want for the article morethings xandar and myself want an rfc straw poll we do not need a consensus to conduct one please consider that a poll is most necessary because during the past four fac's we trimmed the article up nice and neat before bringing it to fac only to discover that every single fac reviewer asked us to include more information into the article never was there a request for less information once again the same scenario is playing out here before we potentially waste any more time improving the short version let's find out if that version is preferred by the wider community i am unwilling to work on it until we know the results of a simple straw poll asking this easy question it will take zero effort to set up and a week of waiting to see the results i have asked a neutral admin to conduct the poll i would appreciate your cooperation instead of the attacks that seem to be continuing to characterized your conversations with me i am not attacking you please do the same thanks '''talk