that is why a discussion that immediately asks for a ban isn't a good idea and the reason i pushed for a system in place for submitting evidence one that takes a few days so it isn't decided in the heat of the moment and gives everyone a chance to present evidence instead of talking over each other and voting before any evidence is presented not like arb but a light weight system with some light duty structure and failsafes so it will be a discussion possibly deliberation then a solution can be proposed ras was the wrong answer but i think it had the right idea slow down stick to the facts