chip if anyone cares to know how long i have edited wikipedia they can read it on my userpage i don't need to prove myself to you however i will say that i have been editing wikipedia long enough to spot when someone is trying to rise through the 'ranks' of wikipedia to get to the heady heights of administrator as quickly as possible that kind of thing is of little importance to me i just try to get on with building the articles i have interest in when i have the time to do so i don't come here to be patronised so kindly leave me out of your glory hunting missions moan