fully agree admins need to understand the context of disruptive editing not just look at the individual aspect if the setanta thing carries on i will post an alert and see what happens what we could really do with is good senior admin maybe even arbcom who would be prepared to take on a controlled mediation over all the irish bi articles as everyone becomes a fight between the usual suspects trying to suggest a compromise on ireland roi just gets you blasted by both extremes for example perpetuating the pre good friday agreement position any ideas on someone who could do it ah well to a days work and return to this later tonight overseas at the moment talk