hi cmelbye i'm still in the process of getting the basics in place thanks for asking i'm looking forward to actually working on some new chains in response to your suggestion i found a page creation extension that automatically inserts the contents of another page into the new page i think this is a great improvement so thanks for the suggestion however as you will see on the above page users still have to work out for themselves what number they should give a new chain and if it is not a recycled number then they have to first add the new chain title to the top of the list at the bottom of the page so it would be good to be able to also automate this process of determining what number to give a new chain taking into account the need to recycle the titles of any deleted chains any ideas