yes tough love i am not saying that giano is not good for the project i am saying that personal attacks are not good for the project i can say that without even knowing who the people are you yourself are a very polite person and yet you defend your friends rudeness i have found some things here that do not appear in reality and yet are bandied about by all and sundry eg we don't do cool down blocks or blocks are preventative and not punative and consensus especially consensus and a few others that have yet to enter my mind this morning let us start a thread to discuss this and have a setting of personal attacks and general rudeness is ok and lets see how constructive it gets