basically i dont entirely agree that the gourman report debate has been exhausted or some others tell anyone that in the opening paragraph the wikipedia article of u of o has to reference a ten year old ranking to make it look good is laughable queens carleton waerloo etc alumni eat this up if you check current rankings of world debating youll find the univeristy of ottawa ranks mid or so true its on other universities pages but they also mention the current world ranking in most sydney does this i belive as well as toronto also other university pages are not the best for pov and reputation anyway so to say its on one page and not on another really isnt the best argument the article is swayed to the point of view that makes it look better than the university is in fact at least in these two specific cases which are easily fixed probably best to move the gourman reference out of the intro paragraph or remove it completely and include the current ranking for the world debating most other points i agree with with the exception of those two and a more neutral point of view can be established share your thoughts on this if you like in the mean time ill track down a source for the debating issue