thanks but i don't have that link i'm using the layout with a blue bar across the top talk and uneditable pages are yellow links are color coded and so on i'll try logging out and seeing if it appears also on naming conventions did i make a mistake to my knowledge the programming language suffix for languages has been a long agreed apon standard i was just moving some pages to adhere to that sorry about not using the move this page feature though i'll look again and see if it is there and i just didn't see it for the record though most of the articles i moved didn't have a history i think maybe or of them did but the others were only auto imported or convertion script items without a history beyond that again sorry if i messed things up i'd be happy to fix anything i break if i can figure out how also i should probably add redirects in those blank articles oct utc