ok i look forward to yosemitesam shedding some light for the record although i am officially anonymous others can verify that they are aware of my identity and that i do not have any coi there's a role for an editor representing this particular pov but if it is not in a manner more fair less ideological and with less sense of article ownership than in past discussions it's going to go nowhere fast to wax philosophical one problem is that reality in this case historical reality is often rather complex ambiguous and not easily amenable to the facile interpretations sometimes put forward in these and other similar articles i look forward to working with other editors who recognize this and are open to seeing this ambiguity represented in the articles