i haven't thought about it too much but imho a general 'follow the rules' editnotice is not useful not in wp space and not in wt space was there a discussion about the latter anyway experienced editors know that already and whether it's really helping any newbie and preventing enough non constructive edits to be worth it is very doubtful imho we're overbannering the place imho if edit notices are the norm people won't even see them anymore amalthea