i do want to move away from 'jack' i was asked to create this account rather than edit as an ip so i did the others mostly gold hat were just fun to the extent that it's pointy and i see it as more pointed it's to illustrate that they're restricting me beyond was was long agreed i have said that i'll not create any accounts that are undisclosed i'm not going back to illicit socking i feel quite poorly treated by this ac the finger wagging in february was totally uncalled for it's late here and i'm soon off i appreciate your input here and especially there i'll sleep on it and see where stuff is tomorrow i'll write ya too the gist of what i want is no restrictions as they're a stigma the wiki has to learn to forgive and to rein in those who won't terima kasih