what we are creating with wikipedia is not set in stone it is an evolving standard defined by what its editors determine to be acceptable and personally i don't agree with the view that the priority is to write lengthy prose in the style of encyclopedia britannica i've been around since jeh has been around since and dsimic has been editing a lot since in other words enough to get a very good idea of how wikipedia's anarchist system works i'm glad that jeh prefaced his statement with in my opinion because that's what wikipedia is about and no personal statement or even an essay such as commonly cited arguments to avoid essay is law we debate a lot i know just how much sucks but it's the way it is now whether or not product lists are not so good articles is debatably if you you're axiologically inclined an empirical and subjective question which could be most reliably answered by surveying our users or our editors if they're not your priority in my experience lists are great for their purpose and as a power wikipedia user and editor i've derived enormous benefit from them and our users probably derive much more benefit from an article like comparison of smartphones than the benefit which is derived from say the dozens of references i've added to articles like tort trust law or economics and hundreds of much lower traffic niche topics lists in general are not easy candidates for good articles as i recall back around or so there was a campaign by a couple people to to delete a lot of list articles on that basis and on the duplication with categories but when i pointed to wp csl the steam was taken out even though that didn't change the sensibility of the decisions in any case you are welcome to boldly make and advocate for changes and i reserve the right to express my own opposition within the limits of my available free time as an aside i mention the views of users seriously it has been pretty well empirically shown that oldtimers like myself are actively hostile to newcomers as documented by aaron halfaker t c