your attempt to manipulate the argument by questioning my civility in this case and basing it upon previous dealings of mine is a mistake that was between me and an abusive admin whom i had no recourse against regardless that is neither here nor there and frankly has nothing to do with this discussion so you can just leave it alone what i am doing is not a straw man argument a straw man argument is where a person makes an effigy of their opponent and beats it senseless because a straw man cannot defend itself i am taking a position which is based in wikipedia culture and policy this is an open source community meaning every person from admin to owner to editor to reader has an equal say when i suggested a poll it is because there has not been a consensus here and the fact that you continue to hide behind the sections of wikipedia policy that support your position but ignore all the others means that other editors are unwilling to take you on and or can't be bothered your virtual jumping up and down when anyone even attempts to approach the topic is harming the article