campaignbox ukraine i have replied at the talk page a barnstar for you the tireless contributor barnstar seen you and on the ukraine unrest page a lot keep it up the signpost may read this signpost in full single page unsubscribe mariupol considering the claimed large death toll today and the notable events coupled with the events from the previous days what you say about an article titled mariupol standoff a large death toll doesn't necessitate a new article we already have an article for donetsk related events that is donetsk people's republic in addition to the main article pro russian unrest in ukraine as far as i can see we have no need for a mariupol article yet if the violence continues in the way it is doing so at present then i could see justification i wasn't referring to the death toll only i was referring to all of the events from the previous days and weeks where we have the exactly same situation as kramatorsk an assault on the national guard base three dead attempted security forces recapture of city hall second attempted security forces recapture of city hall today's attack on the police headquarters dead p s today's events were not in the donetsk people's republic article as you said i only just now added them since apparently nobody else did i'm sure they were perhaps it was in the timeline regardless i just don't see the need for mariupol article right now there is no reason why it can't be covered in donetsk people's republic if the violence continues over the next few days then i'd advocate for an article wikipedia articles for deletion jews and communism nd nomination you are invited to join the discussion at wikipedia articles for deletion jews and communism nd nomination thanks osce observers have the russian terrorists in ukraine or separatists not kidnapped the osce observers also you said that you are not interested in the infobox a few observers being kidnapped does not imply that organisation has suddenly become a party to the conflict and taken the ukrainian side that's not even getting to the fact that they were not strictly 'osce' observers but observers from osce states travelling under the vienna document you've forced me to become interesting in the infobox you are not answering my question have the terrorists kidnapped the osce observers user aleksandr grigoryev aleksandr