no i will make sure that will be removed permanently i will not do this for awhile to avoid violations but hope that someone else will consider and agree there is no reason whatsoever to put the late in front of his name i will list several reasons and although i think that is somewhat pov there are other reason as to why i remove the info everyone dies sometime does it really make sense to have an article about a past event and just put the late in front of everyone that has died poor writing it's just sloppy filler writing to put the late in place would you ever see anyone referred to as the late in a print encyclopedia recentism wp has a guideline template that we should try not to capitalize too much on recent events and keep them in perspective would it make sense years down the road to still refer to him as the late let's make things as static as possible precedent at one point several dozen articles referred to steve irwin as the late steve irwin now this is the only one that does by doing a search and there seems to be consensus about that knowledge of his death let's face it a vast majority of people especially those that would look for this article know he is dead and the few that may not be sure can click the link maybe people don't want to know that he's dead or be reminded of it and putting that acts as a spoiler even anna nicole smith had a few the lates put on pages of hers and those have all been removed a few by me a few by others saving a click is not a valid reason for this we should assume that the readers are smart and things like that can go to the simple english edition irrelevance why would the fact that he is dead be relevant to an article that talks about his programming his shows will probably be reran for many years to come and the fact that he died somewhat unexpectedly makes no bearing on what he did on his programming well this is my case i would also like to point out wp own which i feel has been violated in these reverts i also am starting a discussion on wp words to avoid to get some word from other editors to make sure that i am doing the right thing i am supremely confident that i am and i look forward to improving the peta article in the future