actually someone did suggest that i was canvasing and i responded to their allegation here that i was not sanctioned or reprimanded for canvassing should indicate to you that what i did was not considered to be canvasing however getting one of your buddies to aid you in a straw poll is a very different story you seem to have formed the bizarre opinion that you can engage in canvasing so long as you include a ridiculous disclaimer like i'm not looking to prompt you to go over there and involve yourself that would be canvassing on my part surely you must see the overwhelming hypocrisy of what you re doing if i had gone over to and said hey goblin could you give me some advice about a straw poll wink wink nudge nudge then you would be outraged that i had tried to circumvent the rules of wikipedia however you re perfectly willing to attempt to circumvent the rules yourself you must be able to see that wp canvass is utterly without effect if editors can simply circumvent the rule by adding a disclaimer to their attempts to canvass