in response to claude's last two posts backwards of course regarding nrms if you'll check the list you'll see that assemblies of god calvary chapel foursquare and cma are all considered both nrms and denominations just a note also true of the vineyard movement of which there are many comparisons to gca you're right that gcc doesn't like the denominational nametag but just like vineyard many outsiders consider it to be and there is little actual semantic difference as far as what a movement is a couple definitions i found were a diffusely organized or heterogeneous group of people or organizations tending toward or favoring a generalized common goal the antislavery movement the realistic movement in art and an organized effort by supporters of a common goal a leader of the labor movement i say all that to say this movement is a very ambiguous term more appropriate to an idea you're right that gc does use the term frequently however i think the best factual definition and most suitable for our purposes and for accuracy within the title and intro is gcac is an association of churches that's what the ac in gcac stands for really that's what we actually see in existence churches somehow we need to differentiate i think we need to start with definiing the article as about an association of churches because we have to pick a topic that is one thing plaguing us at present as editors so let's start with something real then trace the history of that association and the present i will re edit the today section it is not npov at present what i objected to was not the quote but rather your original sentence before it i was confused about the date couldn't find it in your reference i was in a hurry we need to focus on what we're doing here we're putting facts up we don't need to interpret or extrapolate that quote from bovenmeyer seems to be about church leadership with one sentence relating that to autonomy for that reason while i think it should stay it would be wrong to put that forth as the best description of the gc view of autonomy and congregational polity since neither of those is the topic again your statement isn't found in the quote the quote itself is fine and appropriate i don't see any reason that it needs a qualifier as the quote i put above from the cong polity article says leadership authority is a common integral part of cong polity and as we all have said there is no typical view if we're going to have cong polity as a term in the gca article people need to go there and read it also someone needs to put some serious work in on that article i don't have any problem with deferring to leaders i just want accuracy here also note that there is a difference between an article in an official publication by one man and an official stance of the org which is listed in several places especially given the independence and autonomy of the churches within gca