my request was mostly to facilitate the checking of hook length for example lots of people don't know that pictured doesn't count but that in something else pictured something else does or that the ellipsis doesn't but the question mark does i erroneously thought that since it worked on t dyk it would be easy to extend it since that's not the case it probably wouldn't be worth the effort just to make it a little easier to determine hook length thanks as usual for everything you do around here xa ab am