i believe you tinkleheimer on most of those parts but i don't appreciate being talked to like i'm a child by someone who doesn't know me and i don't know how i can not interpret what scorp's saying as being condescending and arrogant because that's exactly how i see it you raise the point that i'm trying to make we're all working together here or at least trying to we need some level of civility here like i said i've been part of the problem in the past but as i showed at least in qst's instance that i'm willing to be civil because he's at least shown some humility even though i didn't like the tone of his post scorp is not doing that doesn't want to and i'm just not going to deal with him if he's going to do that if he wants to co exist then he needs to start acting more civil and stop talking down to me then and only then will i even consider