itsmejudith if you know any modern source i can look up to find the similar statements please let me know i'll get the book from library and replace the quote myself i don't want to 'sneak' something into the article i swear by god jewish encyclopedia does have pov making connection between 'how one group of people treat the others' and 'their ancestors' are made in bible not by me it might seem strange but that's how bible views things forgive me if i'm wrong now i found it interesting to include this pov into the article i e this connection between muslims and jews mainmoinds refers to muslims as ishmaelies if i am correct itsmejudith i've been subject to a harsh block for reasons which i still don't know i was accused of all kinds of imaginable crimes in wikipedia ranging from nationalism bigotry related crimes to harrassment disruption and personal attacks several kinds of humuliations and getting ignored from the blocking admin on the top of it i am exhausted it is up to you guys decide whatever you wish for this section and act upon it