roadahead i understand wp nor and wp cite perfectly well i'm just saying that certain things are immediately obvious like i said the term sikh extremism exists and is sourced i'll look up the references i posted to come up with a better definition of the term would you ask for a citation saying that the sky is blue i believe you're being overly pedantic simply because you don't like the idea of sikh extremism let me ask you a question do you believe that sikh extremism whatever your definition of the term might be and i don't mean for the article's sake exists talk