horologium pardon me for taking this up as well you said above that you would not consent to an unblock barring some change in behavior i'm going to take a wild wild guess and say that you'd not be the only one to state that kind of condition since we can't look into each other's hearts and since there can be no assessment of behavior until there is behavior the only behavior now is an occasional note on his talk page what is it that you would like to hear from kiefer and what kinds of restrictions if any do you think can be helpful an iban with demiurge is probably a given as is some type of restriction on rfa an i participation etc fwiw i accept his comments about the offending remark it would have been better if he had swallowed a bit more pride and it's clear that i'm probably in the minority there but i do accept it i sent kiefer an email a week or so ago to see how he was doingafter all we both were blessed with a beautiful child around the same time last yearand i'm trying to figure out a way to heal some wounds for the record i have had my disagreements with him and i certainly don't approve of everything he's done here i'm sure he feels the same way and that's fine i don't wish to be an apologist for any side and excuse everything that's happened but i'm trying to find a way forward i wish for instance that he would find it easier to let bygones be bygones i think i'm paraphrasing giantsnowman from an an thread about a proposed iban between the two of them and i wish kf had accepted that from gs anyway this message is longer than i intended it to be and i apologize for that i suppose i'm also asking you if or when you can let bygones be bygones there's no immediate urgency for you to respond if you could ping me when you do if you do i'd appreciate it for the talk page stalkers please let's not turn this into ani i could have emailed horologium privately but i prefer to do this here in between the privacy of email and the dramah of a board at some point the community will be involved if this ever gets anywhere for now i'm interested in horologium's response and possibly regentspark 's since he started this thread or pretend you never read this thanks