looks like i picked a bad night to be busy i'll look into dykhousekeepingbot when i have time will try to get it up and running before friday as for dykupdatebot it was having connectivity issues but the recovery code did indeed trigger and the bot seems to be fine now on a slightly related note i've been thoroughly unimpressed with labs' responsiveness not replying to communication at all so that's delaying bot migration from toolserver to labs thanks everyone