this lowly editor thinks not there is a perennial dispute on the table here egoistic vs non egoistic concerns viz self vs non self concerns individual v social concerns libertarianism is a celebration of the ego isn't it and by ego i mean self from the self comes liberty from the ego comes identity etcetera etcetera socialism that seems to me to be all about the non ego freedom itself is derived from man i know we're just a lowly democratic encyclopedia and are prohibited from doing original research but seriously guys wake up are libertarians socialists isn't that like the diametric opposite of libertarianism i for one am not a big fan of submitting to the needs of the state or the people from socialism i see comes anarchism viz the propagation of herding behavior amongst humans viz the abdication of a centralized authority if there is no centralized authority who controls the state of things a dictator that's who take north korea for example or the former ussr or nazi germany all of these states are self proclaimed socialists are libertarians socialists i think not thomas jefferson again guys girls i'm just making an appeal to logic not authority this particular wikipedia article rides a fence thoughts please do not remove this writing i will re establish it i am simply trying to create a dialogue does libertarianism have anything to do with socialism because socialism it seems begs for anarchy and anarchy as it were is a pre requisite for dictatorship libertarians are the opposite of dictators we are individuals socialists are non individuals ideologically speaking there is a tremendous amount of confusion and out of this confusion comes intrepid leaders i am an anarch but i do not believe in anarchy does that make any sense if the majority disagrees with me so be it but do not delete this post i would like to hear some thoughts carol don't even think about it are we advocates of logic truth or opinion