certaion other editors mb i noted your question on squeakbox's page and figured that i was certain other editors i was only eager to vote opposite because as i would support the rfa it seemed as though squeakbox's jumping the gun needed some balance it might have been a little point y literally copying the words and formatting and all but that was the point of the point how could it look like it was live i went to the main rfa page and his was not listed i agree with the others that squeak had to be watching or stalking for this so as to attack it at its earliest possibility his oppose was two minutes two minutes after the i accept was put on the page and as has been point out long before it was officially live anyway i have seen him in discussions and don't always agree with him but i support the rfa as for off wiki happenings that's part of the problem with having them it strengthens the secret society feeling that a lot of people seem to have from the oft made references to the cabal something i have never made reference to fwiw i have nothing against you i have worked hard in the past to work with squeakbox as well even making consessions to try and smooth things over for my trouble i have been blocked for making general statements while enduring pointedly direct targeted personal attacks anyway i'm working on being less wikidragon ish and to stay out of wikipolitics at least not be involved as much as i have less wikistress i know that doesn't help understand why sb voted oppose but now you understand why i voted in support when i did i support the rfa though because i have confidence in martijn and his ability for the record utc mar '