leaving out nelson mandela and mother teresa for a moment do you mean that you doubt he received recognitions such as this you seem to be making the point that because you cannot find these recognitions in the press that they are somehow forgeries or myths hey they ain't the nobel peace prize but they are not fake you seem to be mixing up three issues whether hubbard led an extraordinary life and whether he received extraordinary recognition as a humanitarian and how scientologists generally regard hubbard those issues are not related i think that even critics will agree that hubbard led an extraordinary life and neither nor are really related to his personality either i mean was is mandela a bad husband did does he have a temper who knows you certainly won't find out in our article on him but if someone decided to write a smear piece on him i am sure that they can find as many people that will say something bad about his personality as we see in our hubbard pieces re this is not about my having some faith or other this is about how i have view hubbard after intimate experience with his creations dianetics and scientology and reading idk millions of his words and listening to hundreds of hours of lectures i think that entitles me to have an opinion without getting all mystical and talking faith i am sorry that you are getting frustrated but the simple point is that so long as the truth about hubbard as i see it which incidentally factors in the criticisms does not seem to be in the press then i will feel that what is there is undoubtedly one sided you want me to somehow persuade how that what i have come to feel based on a lot of experience and extensive research into the criticisms is truer than what some journalist wrote after talking to some few critics you know that i cannot do that that is why i am left with meh