lol i just have to reply to danny muse's reply to elenap it's not nice but i have to speak when will you get it danny propaganda and logical fallacies are not a reasonable method of influencing people especially if you are claiming to represent god and be a christian so why do you continue with them and your specious reasoning all the points in your reply can easily be refuted you said above if text in one place is inappropriate or excessive you have totally failed to prove the premise of your argument but you then presumptuously assume that everyone will just blindly accept your wanted opinions as facts and so you come out with a straw man argument about inappropriate and excessive you get the medal for surreptitious false reasoning you then go on with another blatantly false statement and as far as this section being pov its title books critical of the group proves that it is by definition a pov section danny how exactly is something that is 'critical' proof that it is biased or pov you have failed totally to make even the most basic case for your assumed conclusions you just jump there with one giant false leap criticism is not by default proof of a bias pov or non objectivity as you incorrectly assume for example if you said five plus five is thirteen someone could objectively and neutrally criticise your ability at maths and your conclusion and prove you wrong without having any biased point of view or dubious agenda facts can be proven false or true that is the rational basis of objective reasoning merely being critical is not a valid cause for rejection of the one criticising as you manipulatively try and twist into its meaning with more ad hominem you also ignore the hypocrisy of your argument as jehovah's witnesses have masses of material heavily criticising other religions so by your default it should all be rejected as pov biased and highly subjective and of little of no value you have shot yourself in the foot danny you then go on with paragraphs of irrelevant red herrings straw men and more ad hominem character assassinations in true watch tower fashion you should read these watch tower articles on criticism and open mindedness you come out with even more logical fallacies by mentioning subjects that do not apply and hoping the less knowledgeable reader will fall for your 'guilt by association' machinations you speak about disaffected individuals apostates and anti cult movements as if this somehow applies to franz when you have proven nothing i'm sure i could get a host of quotes telling us all how sick and degenerate paedophiles are and link that to you and plenty of people would fall for that one if said over and over enough times and the trick would have worked no one would listen to anything you have to say if they believed you were messing about with little children your corrupt use of negative propaganda is disgusting especially as you claim to be a christian i suggest you read your religion's articles on propaganda you might learn to be more objective and less scheming in your arguments you then say especially suspect are individuals who take up a cause for personal gain by publishing books etc lol i nearly fell on the floor with laughter with that one hey danny look in the mirror the watch tower bible and tract society makes nearly a ' billion us dollars a year a large part coming from its massive literature sales most to loyal jws they also dodge paying their taxes on that massive income this depleting the local community of needed funds except in france where they have to pay their taxes and are calling on satan's european governments to fight jehovah's scriptural worldly tax arrangements lol the greed of the publishing watch tower is terrible but interestingly not a peep of condemnation from danny about those watch tower especially suspect 'individuals who take up a cause for personal gain' by publishing books pure gold from danny muse you then go on there are not similar books listed on the wp pages for the catholic religion since when did jws love to link themselves with catholics besides catholics being a specially hated religion by jehovah's witnesses it is completely different in its size history and doctrines and its treatment if those who criticise it there are over billion catholics and a year old religion with massive tradition etc why on earth would it be described the same as a year old cult like prophecy obsessed group that treats its internal critics like demon possessed monsters and then expels them and bans its members from