re henry percy hotspur hi looks like you are very quick off the mark you undid some of my work while i was still adding information and then you undid some more of it while i was hunting down a reliable reference a bit more patience would have saved us both a bit of time and effort i've added three reliable sources to the tottenham link now they're everywhere and it would have been far easier to check that rather than risking an edit war i can add more if you like next time waiting more than a handful of minutes before reverting would be advisable and refraining from shouting would be nice ps did you really think that someone could confuse the tottenham marshes and welsh marches wha