this page needs to be edited down to a handful of sentences and then merged with nose if not altogether deleted due to the fact that it is merely a slang term with denotions of eugenics and discredited pseudosciences such as phrenology the author s included a long paragraph by a discredited th century scientist named samual george morton of which only five words the nose large and aquiline pertain to the article itself as wikipedia's own article on morton says and as most medical science students are taught samuel george morton is often thought of as the originator of american school ethnography a school of thought in antebellum american science that claimed the difference between humans was one of species rather than variety and is generally seen as the origin of scientific racism the paragraphs in this article are drawn out to unnecessary lengths so as to provide the appearance of substance particularly the buddhism one which uses words to say that statues of buddha should have long noses no reference is given so called hooknose snakes have upturned noses not downturned noses as raptors do thus meaning they don't even have hooknoses as the author of this article describes thus making their inclusion truly puzzling i use quotation marks because neither snakes nor birds even have noses in the sense of the ones humans primates have snakes smell by using their tongues and the vomeronasal organ inside their mouths a snake's nostril holes are used only for breathing some venomous types use their additional larger nostrils actually glands called pits to sense heat not odors the fact that such noteworthy intellectuals as ashlee simpson and paris hilton have recently had rhinoplasties does not even mean that they had or have so called hooknoses nor does the fact that a fictitious half man half ungulate creature living under a bridge in kentucky supposedly has one though wiki's article on it makes no mention of a hooknose nor has it of course ever been photographed it bears pointing out that factors allowing the genetic merging of ungulate and human dna apparently intrigue the pseudoscience oriented author s of this hooknose article overall no tangible factors make the term hooknose worthy of its own entry in a fact based st century encyclopedia other than as a disambiguation page redirecting to an entry such as pseudoscience this is a textbook example of an unneccessary article manufactured out of several disparate and unrelated sources by using a smoke and mirrors technique why not just merge it into nose and let real scientists doctors hash it out rather than secluding it in its own peripheral entry based on pop culture hearsay non science hooknoses are an i know it when i see it type of thing with no set way of being measured if it were quantifiable by a certain mathematical formula then it would possibly qualify for inclusion here for example if a nose is downturned by an angle of precicely x degrees or more in relation to its main slope but no such formula exists it is a purely arbitrary colloquial term with a different definition to everyone for example everyone has a different definition of fat but there is a medical definition of obesity calculated using a body mass index formula there is no such formula for noses additionally the link given to does not count as a reliable source as it is a religious non scientific organization making dubious and unreferenced claims for the record i am white agnostic and have a small to medium nose with no hook i was attacked and called a vandal by user after flagging this page for deletion and thus i felt it necessary to respond