ok time for me to put my admin hat on it's not red by the way both of you please stop reverting each other justin the backpackers com reference is not remotely a reliable source it should not be in the article red hat instead of deleting it i suggest you find a more reliable source e g a book or newspaper article that makes the same point here is a link to google books here is a link to google news get searching please and if you find a viable source post it here so that we can form a consensus on it i'll do some searching too to help you out