i've done that what's the point you pick a user name and that's it there's nothing that particulary identifies me in any way thanks but i really think i'm wasting my time here further esearch on the web indicates that the wikipedia is rapidly becoming a laughing stock due to its one size fits all editorial policies the one thing that more people find more offensive than anything else is your automatic asumption that the extreme minority view must by definition somehow be wrong tell that to numerous nobel prize winners as for girolamo savonarola's statement but ones from competitors like arri and third parties such as technicolor and sony none of them took this idea seriously i don't know who you've been talking to but there's a vast army of employees of all those companies who can't be taken seriously it appears that as before factual information on panavision is only going to be available from one source and it's not this one