i posted the two images in question though not quite sure why i posted the cover but i am no longer interested in convincing a robot that it's okay to use them so will post it here and if the keepers of the article want them or different ones or whatever than they can figure it out the folio that they are scanned from was published in and does not claim to be copyrighted by that time pugin's drawings were or whatever years old and probably copyright free perhaps using the cover was a bad idea but it is in a section of the article discussing publication but i think the drawings are an asset to the article perhaps i should just let the delitionists have at these and then post others with a more carefully picked copyright or lack there of tag any ideas