very amusing despite my having started discussion on these changes you chose to revert some of them with an edit summary saying see talk despite the fact you had not commented in talk at that time apparently discussion does not apply to you having made unwarrented reverts without discussion you now pop up here to tell me to use the talk page i thought rr was clearly labelled at the head of articles where it was enforced if that is now a general rule i may have fallen foul of it due the the number of stupid reverts a small number of editors have been doing on this article like removing the ref link to a scientific paper where the paper is first mention in a para about the paper and trying to bury it further down