no offense taken but i see no need to moderate my tone any venom in it i feel is warranted and i am not the type to tiptoe around anything for the sake of wp civility or whatever random set of rules on a page i'll never read i speak here the same way i'd speak in an academic forum in front of a work committee or in front of joe schmoe on the street i grant no special lee way to of all people some people on the internet now moving back to the point the request to move is not a courtesy to her fans but for all the reasons i stated nowhere did i mention her fans if it is a courtesy to anyone it is to bell hooks herself out of respect for her personal statement and the issue at hand here is why we should move it as that is the proposal and many reasons have been given it is not necessary to prove that she does not want her name to be capitalized or are you trying to say that such a finding would supersede all other arguments and be grounds upon which to make the move if so then you are being contrary and absurd my burden and those who support the move was to provide reasons for the move and it is then up to the opposition to cite reasons against it which they have not done some have even changed their vote from oppose to support even for all of his wordiness seems to be in support of the move but is just playing his role as administrator and being cautious before he commits to the move i'd say overly so but that is my opinion even if the lack of proof you're looking for was the only reason against the move the overwhelming reasons for the move supersede it you really have no case but alas and thankfully it is not up to you ''''''t c w