carbon carbon perhaps that could use a little more explanation then carbon brakes are carbon on carbon in that the material is used as both brake pad and disc however the material used is a carbon carbon composite carbon fibres set in a carbon matrix see reinforced carbon carbon for more technical stuff it could actually be either reason i suppose but they are normally referred to as 'carbon carbon' the topic is discussed in greater detail further down the article i've put a ' see below ' at the first appearance of 'carbon carbon' which links to the 'technical innovation' section further down thanks for all the further edits i've only reverted one sorry the direct quote from michael scarlett about the mrd merde connection shouldn't be corrected ellipsis is acceptable even if wrong grammatically since that's what he wrote unless i've misquoted of course which i'll check when i can get my hands on the article one question i don't understand why in he also became the first man to win a formula one race in a car bearing his own name 'race' is now in italics 'race' as opposed to what also are you sure about removing non breaking spaces for units my recollection is that they are recommended thanks again for spending so much time going through the article it really helps to have someone else go through i'm rather to close to spot some of the errors or to act as a reader fresh to the topic cheers