intersection of profession religion and gender on wikipedia hi bhg i'm posting this to you because i noticed you participated in an old series of cfd discussions and are familiar with it in the process of reviewing the situation involving the various articles on islamic scholarship islamic mathematics islamic science islamic metaphysics etc which have been subject to extensive edit warring and outright deletion or stubbing in the case of some articles by two groups of editors broadly labeled islamophiles and anti revisionists a third group of people who might be termed irrelevantists as they were unfamiliar with the subject and considered it non notable due to religious content which the anti revisionist history buffs do not they merely are vehemently against anything in the article that smacked of promotion referred folks to the old discussions that led to the deletion of the professionals by religion category e g cfd astronomers by religion and cfd mathematicians by religion the vast consensus of those two discussions were that religion was utterly irrelevant to the personal or professional life of those professionals and even asked when would it end much cracks were had about how religion was once relevant to scientists' lives but is now a historical curiosity however the discussion boiled down to it being a non intersecting and frankly absurd means of categorizing people what i find interesting is that the same policies could be provided for category women by occupation and yet no one has ever proposed deletion of that entire huge category tree and in fact insisted on the exact opposite arguments despite the fact that some women actively do object to being labeled as a woman scientist whereas no astronomer has ever objected to being labeled religious despite the disingenuous claim made in the above cfd caveat the only deletion ever proposed for the gender categories that i can see is that women is non grammatical which i disagree with it sounds better than female and is commonly used even in cases where it is a neologism such as women earth scientists grammatical but ridiculous the latter is a prime case of what i'm talking about if it had been muslim earth scientists or another religion it would have been deleted with extreme prejudice and some vitriol by science vs religion types but the rationale used would have been that it was non intersecting and an article couldn't be written about it which seems to be being selectively applied by brightists on this site some of these categories an article could be written but that doesn't mean a category should exist as one person on the female cfd noted especially since the women in science movement is very divided about whether women professionals should be categorized as such full disclosure a close family member is both a woman scientist and the past president of a graduate women in science professional organization so no bias here