dave thanks those guys have greater editing skills than me and i see you nailed a tag i had no idea such a tag existed also my attempts to insert amish into the yec article failed my attempts to discuss the physics of time asymmetry anywhere these guys edit have also failed i get gang banged if one looks to money motivation any chance these guys are part of a textbook lobby group anything that might change textbook content cost publishers a lot of money and meatpuppets would be far cheaper