aphra yeah the no sex is a problem whole load or problems on poor old reggie though if you ask me seems to be massive arguments and angry editing thank goodness it never gets like that over here i shall withold my vote to see what happens next i started architecture of the united kingdom as you saw full of entheusiasm because graham started it as a red link but i've rather lost my way and interest think i'll go back to proper italian buildings for a while trouble is people who have all been on their summer holidays to italia always know best because their badly translated cheap guide books have muddled things up i think i'll call myself 'gary the guide' and they might beleive me then perhaps i'll go on the italian wiki instead but they are all so young over there my son and his friends included had the anticipated bad day at work yesterday and this morning which is a sod i'm going to stop being an anglophile that will serve them right take care nov utc