more on protocols procedures courtesy hi bov thanks so much for your kind reply our discussion was getting so long it was unwieldy to scroll though so i thought i'd continue under a new heading hope you have no objection i'm still under the gun with that project i mentioned and am amazed that my last note was as long as it is wanted to reply to a few points for the moment i'm using numbered points because it makes it easier for you and me to refer back to regardingn my making a clear distinction between me us and your editorial colleagues yes you're right i guess i don't know enough about wikip yet but i clearly don't have access to the same additional facilities which i take to mean tools as you so i don't have the same control sure i could put a copyvio on someone's page but i rather doubt it would stay there any more than my db s did i assume copyvio notices are either sent to all admins or those who deal with copyvios specifically and or posted to the copyvio page for you and your colleagues to make some sort of determination on from what you say above it appears that some uber admin s makes the final determination also regarding tools i and i suspect most wikip contributors have no power to lock and page to insure it doesn't get reverted by anyone else nor can we delete a page even our own nor do we have access as i assume you do to eb and other pay services to check for likely infringements there are even several services used by educational institutions which faculty regularly use to check for plagiarism in term papers theses etc perhaps you also have access to those you didn't indicate how that eb page was accessed since the public can only get the teaser entry for crapsey thus to paraphrase your quote and the old axiom we are all peers with equal power to edit but some of us are more equal than others regarding your statement that it's actually relatively rare for a copyvio to be contested and most pass without comment are you saying that once a copyvio is pointed out the offending contributor simply concedes the point and allows the page to be removed without so much an objection that's truly astouonding i'd imagine that most folks do not deliberately borrow from others however similiar the contents might be have no idea what you mean by the ones that are contested often end up in the sections at the top of the page can you point me to a sample of this regarding your statement that he eb page i'm referring to is the one originally referenced what do you mean referenced by whom by your colleague or are you obliquely saying that wikip has the means of reading contributor hard drive caches and recent url lists to determine where they've been i know i didn't reference eb and don't know how you access their pay service but if you're in fact suggesting that wikip can somehow monitor member hard drives i'd find that very disturbing an outright privacy violation will run adaware spybot s d just to see if anything they regard as malicious turns up with wikip fingerprints on it on your reply to above that wikipedia does not in general use text 'with permission ' i'm confused the passage i quoted suggests that the authors are granting wikip a gfdl license which from my understanding of the law means with permission the author still owns the material and presumably can make whatever other use s he wants of it but cannot expect payment from wikip restrict the editing of or for that matter even withdraw permission for work submitted to wikip regarding your answer to above that you don't have access to any special posting info it's all available to everyone although some of it is better hidden or harder to use this sort of relates to my immediately above and i guess i'm confused again how in the world would admins and other watchers like you still don't know what your title is know what's new on wikip if you don't get notices or have some list you can comb through are you saying there's an actual public list of all new articles if so where is it and what prompts you folks to check one article vs another again thanks will try and get back later or tomorrow