re discussions on fair use i wish i could point you to where these discussions are taking place except for wp an it's mate wp an i intermittently on the wikien l mailling list i don't know where this is being discussed maybe also at wikipedia village pump and imho those fora appear to be full of people who are against fair use entirely so they may not listen to an opposing voice i find this whole campaign against any fair use materials discouraging although sometimes i am too pessimistic about things both related to wikipedia or not the rule as long as i've contributed to wikipedia is that non free materials may be used specifically to help identify its subjects examples would include the flag logo with microsoft windows or the death star logo with at t to name us centric ones how else would one identify the led zeppelin album with the weird runes that some people label zozo beyond that the rules become fuzzy very quickly e g can one use a screencap to help identify significant commercials i simply feel that those cases are not worth the effort to del with to give another example i have a book or two that were published in the mid s in ethiopia at which time from what i've been able to determine the country had no functional copyright law we could have weeks weeks of fun deciding those cases despite all of these qualifications rambling i believe that there ought not to be such intolerance towards obviously justifiable fair use cases