referring to her as catherine i was told in no uncertain terms that i could not refer to anyone living or dead by their st names on wp if a female had a title she had to be referred to as that throughout her article ie lady amy or lady dudley for amy robsart even though lady amy was wrong before she was married as she was the daughter of a knight had no title wrong after northumberland was attainted all his children lost their styles as offspring of an earl a duke she did not become lady dudley until elizabeth i knighted robert dudley near the end of amy's life nor was she then lady amy dudley as legally she was no longer the wife of the son of an earl duke i thought it was simpler to refer to her as just amy throughout rather than explain the changes that occurred with her name styles but was told it was against wp rules though i wasn't pointed to a link for it noblewomen are usually called by their st names round here as far as i can see even when they have surnames are not of something mary boleyn is called mary not lady carey or lady stafford catherine neville is called catherine not the duchess of norfolk etc they're not royals as for males i was told they had to be referred to by their title ie leicester or last name ie dudley i was banging head on keyboard going but no one just says the king all the time or refers to them as plantagenet or keeps changing their titles ie henry of bolingbroke going from earl of derby to duke of hereford to duke of lancaster to king of england so how does kate get to be consistently referred to as catherine throughout the article without her title appended i've only been here a few months i would appreciate it if someone could actually explain this to me as my main interest is british history i am quite confused