the russian imperialism is rather on the fringe of the mainstream views within ru nation are you kidding me irpen or the readers of my talkpage i want everyone going to tell fairy tales here to make a respective warning in the beginning of his text even if tales are put down by such a skilled and polite writer as you are it's just opposite ru shauvenism is established and encouraged by the state policy of rf both domestic and foreign namely of putin and since they have no democracy and tv freedom at all while we have very little what may the mainstream view be if not imperialistic shauvenism while in ua excessive liberalism and ocassionally stupid tolerance is the state policy that was the layout of my pov but it is not a usenet group indeed so i'll try to support my point with balanced editing links and citations as for your point i'm afraid that your moderate ukrainian pov is amusingly moderate as for me best wishes