template parameters defiantly date is the way to go the templates can be made temporarily to support both and i have a technique for seguing from one to the other historically there was a mish mash and even i at that time working with them on a daily basis couldn't always remember which was which also smackbot a can add date if i set it up properly it used to add or remove as appropriate well i think there are still a few cases where it removes farmbrough june gmt p s i work by evolution run the bot and see what's not been fixed sharpen up the reg exes and repeat with the occaisional re factor so i will catch most things in time farmbrough june gmt