atabek again when you call kasravi a pan iranian nationalists and not acceptable then i can call tapper an anthropologist which he is if kasravi is quoted by scholars such as minorsky frye savory then his historical works are obviously acceptable also note this articles should rely on reliable third party published sources with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy sources should be appropriate to the claims made exceptional claims require stronger sources see wikipedia verifiability sources note that is why i quote from savory a safavid historian and say that he is stronger source than tapper who is an anthropologist and furthermore i asked for direct proof with regards to your statement actually you quote says esmail i proclaimed himself shah of azerbaijan now i ask where and then you bring me a quote from tapper who is an anthropologist then i of course say that savory who is a safavid historian with much more qualifications does not claim esmail i made such a proclamation it is true that he controlled gilan also but perhaps not all of it as per iran it is mentioned as the country of safavids by many sources including sultan selim i when he attacked iran thus we have a direct source referring to the country of esmail i as iran and i do not need to bring direct reference like this because safavid historians are strong enough source to quote note i repeat from the source although initially ruler of azerbaijan only by the year esma l was master of the whole of persia having crushed the residual forces of the aq qoyunlu and driven the uzbeks out of the northeastern frontier province of khorasan seems correct but either way it is from strong source but until we have proof of proclamation from esmail i himself i am the shah of azerbaijan then claiming esmail i proclaimed himself shah of azerbaijan is not valid he proclaimed himself shah in azerbaijan is different though as he was crowned in tarbiz and yes he did own part of gilan as well and this angle can be argued from encyclopedia islam quote which i have brought above already so basically i am asking you for the minorsky quote you mentioned but quoting from an anthropologist when it contradicts safavid historians or when safavid historians are stronger source in my opinion is not valid as per arbcomm there are admins i can report personal attacks outside of there and thus i mentioned the warning i have no interest for getting personal as you said either so lets keep it professional thanks