i'm keeping a neutral stand in the notability debate while i'm generally inclined toward inclusion i see good points made by both sides in this area i had the misunderstanding that drv would resolve the notability issue for the time being but i was mistaken it seems clear that there's a consensus to move back to main space though i see the core of this debate to be values inclusionism vs deletionist censorship vs free speech and gay liberation vs right wing conservatism with procedures and guidelines as a cover