shiotani teiko and dozens and dozens more just like it hi you created an article saying in full shiotani teiko was a renowned japanese photographer actually it's teik not teiko and according to wp's silly rules we have to ignore his real name of shiotani teik and instead call him teik shiotani but that's not the main problem which is that he's described in just about the same way as kuribayashi satoshi born is a renowned japanese photographer or indeed watanabe kanendo born is a renowned japanese photographer or orihara kei born is a renowned japanese photographer and so on and so on and so on which all means that somebody looking among category japanese photographers is highly likely to land on a mere substub i can count on my fingers the people likely to turn a half dozen or so of these substubs into articles no on my thumbs user pinkville and myself but he's busy and i am too i'd rate the probability that more than half will be converted within a year to more than stubs at well under it's an interesting proof of bot concept exercise but is it good for anything else tell you what i'll match you one for one you turn two of these into articles i'll turn two into articles you turn ten into articles i'll turn ten into articles how does that sound that's a great challenge you're on talk random ok then do tell me when you've done one as i can't keep the whole damn lot on my watchlist well actually i can but i lack the time and effort to put them onto my watchlist also i'll be intercoursingly busy during the next month so in the short medium term i may only be able to match you up to ten i'm sure i've got entire books by at least twenty of these substubbed people so i ought to be able to do more what's odd about the list are some conspicuous absences not just people i think are good but people who rightly or wrongly are celebrated and successful asai shinpei is one and there are more though i can't think of them right now not that it's any of my business really but did you scarf the list from user th century art zenhan 's page or do something else yeah i scraped from zenhan i'll let you know here or on your talk page when i have one ready i don't think i can make any of them featured but legitimately non stub is the goal all the best talk random okay here's my first ichiki shiro it's not much beyond a stub but it's something it took an hour of research and i think i found all the info that's anywhere on the web regarding mr ichiki by the way was i right in listing him as a hatamoto my sources say he was a retainer of the daimyo in the edo period of course and i know that he spoke with his daimyo so he couldn't have been a gokenin but i don't think he was a warrior so i don't know so far as i can tell all togugawa retainers were either gokenin or hatamoto am i correct in my inference talk random damn you're fast unfortunately i don't know squat about tokugawa retainers and the like on several occasions i've tried to interest myself in feudal history but have always fallen flat i suppose i can't separate it from the hammily acted cheesily lit tv period dramas i sometimes have to tolerate when at the in laws' lordameth might know and this photographer's right up pinkville's street how's this for a progress indicator great talk random yup except for a number of factors one of which is that it's problematical copyrightwise or so i infer from a comment elsewhere by one user quadell i've already chucked in one extra list and i'll certainly add one more and i may add one after that perhaps it can then be described as an original creation all this is delaying my editing of any article still i'll get around to that too in time i hope that i've no