comment my comments on malleus' talk page were well beyond civil even for a user talk page they were a personal attack and warranted serious sanction for the record it was a simple spontaneous eruption of contempt mingled with rage some have muttered that i went to his page to harass him that's not the case i went to continue a discussion that had been interrupted by earlier admin action some are muttering that i went there to bait or poke him into a block i appreciate the complement but my machiavellian intelligence is non existant obviously i lost respect for malleus when he said you already succeeded in getting me blocked so i can only presume that you're trying to repeat the trick i had made it clear that i had no intention of getting him blocked he knew it and yet regurgitated this populist slur that's where he opened the door for my unmitigated opinion but my rant wasn't aimed at the dishonesty i perceived in that comment that simply gave me permission to express a much deeper revulsion that's been building in me over the last few months with respect to this project it's a feeling so i'm not sure i can make it clear a kind of nauseous disgust it's to do with how we deal with the hurt we may cause others other editors our subjects and our readers i'm pleased to see the faltering steps being taken toward a more civil ethos here those who actually know me know that means a great deal to me there is a long way to go pesky pointed out that finding the right form of words for what's required is difficult i agree that's the challenge the right form of words will emerge if we discuss these questions enough with regard to respectful discourse between editors malleus has been addressing the real root of the civility problem here for years telling someone to fuck off or calling them a cunt is obviously uncivil and an easy call for an admin but the real evil here is not malleus and me calling each other names it's the sleazy aside from one editor to another undermining the reputation of a third one editor can bully or badger another for days or weeks without ever calling them a name and it's their victim that cops a block when they respond accordingly so i'm glad to see more admins taking civility seriously but you're going to have to work on the sophistication of your approach i'm disgusted by the way this project treats its readers with regard to controversial images the bit that disgusts me is the mantra that we don't care if we offend our readers seriously that has been repeated ad nauseam during the muhammad images debates and others i can see no excuse for that attitude and don't want to participate in an enterprise that has that attitude towards its readership and finally contempt for our subjects i first noticed this on a blp a teenage girl and her boyfriend made a sex tape later when she was a minor local celebrity the tape was posted on the net without her permission it's there now google her name and sex tape and you got it she's now won a tv competition so is becoming better known the tape's existence has been mentioned a few times in the press but not much and usually the nudge nudge lucky bastard type of comment but it doesn't seem to have affected her career or even her private life an rfc asked should we mention the tape policy wise you can make a case for its inclusion but it's borderline what really disgusted me was the utter unconcern of many editors for the effect our inclusion of the factoid would have on the visibility of the tape and the consequent effect this would have on the woman i won't elaborate further you either get it or you don't and it was concern for the subject of a blp that brought malleus and me together he was arguing for the preservation of a borderline notable blp that the subject said was distressing him i argued that it should go simply because it's borderline notable and the subject doesn't want it although malleus asserted the wishes of the subject are irrelevant an assertion he is incapable of justifying and a position i find morally repugnant he deemed it appropriate to also declare the subject's claim of distress is implausible unfortunately jimbo had already primed me with a similar judgment jimbo had ignored my response so i thought i'd add a little emphasis when i explained my view to malleus i've suffered chronic pain and fatigue since i had an unnecessary medical intervention at the a