got your message from last night sadly after a hour session of crusader kings ii i was fast asleep at that point i have posted to blpn but blpprimary is a valid argument its a shame he didnt make that at the time he was removing it instead of making vague hand wavy gestures at unrelated info i dont agree with that particular application of it as i have explained there but enough people will do that its better to void the entire thing and find secondary sources as you have done