about smes rr and reverts yes while i agree that we're probably a long way from being able to implement smes at wikipedia it's something to shoot for though my immediate concern as several examples were given in the rfc are that a a blanket implementation of rr for example may at times get in the way of getting a properly balanced neutral content as i'm sure you know that npov isn't to treat all viewpoints as if they had the same validity but to treat them commensurately with their weight in the real world which is far trickier what i was suggesting was to have a community wide discussion on the current special editing restrictions that seem to be cropping up namely to see how they may clash with wikipedia's core policies and ways in which we can avoid having this clash and still implement them when necessary i firmly believe that most of the trouble elonka got herself into probably comes from the even application of these rules whose impact on core policies was probably not properly gauged prior to their application what i'm suggesting is for the community to go back to the drawing board discuss these rules see how they can best be applied are there necessary exceptions for example derive a consensus and implement it this would avoid this unpleasant feeling of being experimented upon that some editors have and would go a long way towards reinstating the feeling that the community has the final say on its destinies by shaping the new rules applying to it too optimiitic idealist maybe yes but worth a shot i'm convinced of that