melanien i am also a neutral third party editor please don't imply otherwise i volunteered to sort out the mess at la luz del mundo when there was no other option and after detailed discussion talk with the concerned spas the spas for that page fordx and ajaxfiore had added about bytes of promotional spam to that page after it came off a day block being a low level page it had no outside editors except ridjala i cleaned up most of it you yourself agree that the page content was way too excessive what is wrong in saying that these are spas for this page and its connected articles they are self admitted spas and proud of it please don't disparage my wp record except for this article i have a perfect record and had i not been ganged up against by a clique of generalist editors supporting pov pushing coied spas this page would also have been sorted out by now finally when i have inserted fairly serious maintenance tags to the article you cannot and i repeat cannot manipulate a fake consensus within hours and without my participation when i am an openly declared most interested person for the page lastly there is an ongoing wp drn for this article admin audacity has malafidely blocked me for hours so that i cannot participate in that ongoing discussion you had no business editing the lldm page when the drn is in progress