lyrics i see you're removing a bunch of links to song lyrics what evidence do you have that they are copyright violations same question as above what's up with this although not allowed on wikipedia the fair use rational is pretty established for lyric sites and having a link is pretty benificial to these articles let me know what's up rex this was discussed here and fair use is not established for lyric sites none of those sites are authorized by the copyright holders just go there and look for their copyright notices and many of them are profiting from their copyright violations through ads see this site the mpa or the bbc for more information ideally all those links should be replaced with links to the lyrics page on the musician band's official website talk i forgot to cite wp el a page that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations sites which fail to provide licensing information or to respond to requests for licensing information should not be used knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the united states talk i'm not sure i trust the mpa on this one rex of course i don't agree with the mpa but this is not a good reason to violate wp el or the current copyright laws if readers want to see the lyrics and we can't link to them they can still use google it's not that difficult talk i see it more as a reason to change wp el then rex then i suggest that you make a proposal at wikipedia talk external links talk mushroom i tend to agree that lyrics and links to lyrics sites should be removed from articles however it seems excessive to remove them from users' comments on talk pages in two cases i had actually been using azlyrics for this quote united states copyright law provides the copyright owner and or their representative with the exclusive right to create reproduce and distribute derivative works based on copyrighted material unless you have received permission from the copyright owner or their representative to distribute the lyrics from their songs you are in violation of the law may azlyrics com team was contacted by one of the world's largest music print publisher hal leonard corporation who exclusively control print rights for more than of the compositions listed on our website publisher demand us to cease and desist from offering these unauthorized lyrics for distribution via our website we had no choice but to remove all these lyrics from our site otherwise azlyrics com would be closed as you can see this actually supports your case assuming you simply failed to read what i wrote i reverted both of your changes in this case i didn't revert however i would urge you to do so yourself talk pages are not part of the encyclopedic content and don't have to adhere to the same guidelines as articles do thanks for taking this task upon yourself but please keep in mind that this issue is shadowy not at all black and white c i actually read what you wrote i even visited the site and read the paragraph you quoted and i decided to remove the link anyway because i think those sites should not get any traffic from wikipedia i agree that in this case the removal was not justified since you were linking to a non copyvio page but i won't revert my edits to other talk pages as wp el says '' knowingly and intentionally direct