you have resorted to undermining what i have written because you are simply uninformed on t n e's full history and as such you have no other defense i think that just becuse t n e was first established at wes you must also feel that you have some authority over it's history let me ask you is the machine the same outfit and behaving in the same manner as wes t n e do you consider the machine to be a legit part of t n e's history or an illegitimate offshoot just using t n e's symbolism