response i am pleased if you've been taken aback i wish i still had that e mail from slim virgin being taken aback from your actions in regards to her feelings on that matter would be an understatement she almost left the project because of you i wonder how many others you've made feel that way as for the comment in regards to collaboration i suggest you give it a shot in this case if the aborted arbcom case against me showed anything it's that i'm more than willing to compromise if people give me one but i will never betray my beliefs in response to ochlocratic or aristocratic pressure once the things on my manifesto fairly simple requests really equity clarity etc are met i'll be more than happy to change the signature until then welcoming is the perfect forum since these newbies are the most vulnerable to the contreversy you speak of the joeyramoney affair showed us that nobody is safe from that toxic atmosphere and it must be changed one way or another afist '''''' i consider your second comment to be an insult against the intelligence of newbies and part of the problem i see and i'm trying to help fix here the line between official and personal has been so blurred that it no longer exists if you are in a certain group the two are interchangable at will and those people can use the word consensus to try and dissaude anyone who has an opinion contrary to their own afist ''''''