thanks for you reply here and apologies again for my disorganization and tardiness in fact it was more difficult than i thought to find something useful and i was still looking for a good quote to include but i think what you have put above is fine according to an advert on p of the panurge le cid avant scene book the association was founded in l avant sc ne op ra panurge le cid l avant sc ne op ra paris i think most people ended up with some class of l gion d honneur so not really essential i did not notice that he has the category i will try now to improve some of the related articles