hi again bo will just use the abbreviation for speed not much time at the moment since i'm in the midst of a project but wanted to respond to a few points first of all thanks for your kind even toned replies to my questions and expressions of irritation i do think that wikip should have an avenue of complaint for users from my recent experience it seems contributors can get stuck in an endless loop of admins or whatever titles you and your editorial colleagues have never reaching someone with the authority to resolve complaints you and others have referred vaguely to the process of copyvio review but i have no idea who does that when they do it or how to reach them to defend my position claims i sometimes find a you have a message waiting notice how is that genrated do you get this same notice when i post on your user page is there a way to send a messaage directly to you so it won't be visible to the world e g if i needed to provide you an email address or something i didn't want posted here regarding crapsey i did indeed check various sources in writing the article and if you read the eb citation and my piece you'll see that mine is quite different not at all a sentence by sentence paraphrase it differs in style and wording from the outset to the end and contains far more detail than eb moreover crapsey is a local legend in rochester and i had no need to consult brittanica i don't know how you folks access eb but i stopped using it years ago when they went from a free to a pay service that only provides teaser articles that are virtually useless thus the entry non members get for crapsey is the following truncated info we have never been eb trial members or subscribers it would appear that you folks at wikip do have some sort of membership however is that correct regarding sock puppetting i was adapting your own wikip term for those who use dummy accounts or have friends act in concert with them to insure they get the posting they want it was beginning to appear that your colleagues were teaming up in a revert war in fact they did just that in another article we posted about area poet william heyen they kept copyvio ing it though in fact it was written by us for our own journal exit online when i pointed this out i was told in effect oh yeah well prove it i have no idea what sort of proof one can offer for owning someone one has posted to their own web site or any other web site for that matter more to the point they offered no suggestions as to how one might prove it if you have an email address for someone at wikip who oversees this sort of stuff then let me know and we'll be happy to contact him her as for my article i was referring to the fact that it's mine by virtue of the fact that i authored it in fact your own guidelines specifically state that the author of each edit is the author and has only granted a gfdl license so that author can be said to be the owner of that particular edit that could even be the whole article for this reason the authors don't have to comply with the gfdl requirements for their own writing the gfdl license doesn't override their own rights to use their own work they can also license it to any number of others under any other licenses they choose since that's one of the rights authors have thanks for your candor over concerns about eb suits over copyright maybe eb has folks that spend their days doing nothing but monitor wikip though i somehow doubt it since they would not have access to the same new posting info that you and your colleagues use to monitor postings it would take an army of staff even to randomly check wikip listings as for creating an account in fact my colleagues and i do have accounts and would indeed like the credit for our efforts however given the recent unpleasant incidents we've encountered that include threats of being blocked blacklisted i'm sure you can understand why anonymity seems preferable for the moment i'll have to check into templates i suspected you might be using some sort of boilerplate and this is precisely why using forms can be so dangerous