quackguru good luck with your communication attempts and thanks for the help if you'd like another challenge you might want to read the discussions that i have been having with ronz about the same topic area as quackguru is referring to and see if you can help communicate with him as well i won't give you the details of the situation so you can come in fresh but there's plenty to read on my talkpage and archives and also on ronz's talkpage though you'll also have to go into the history of his page since he often deletes my messages or you may just wish to post a note on his talkpage and say ronz i hear you're asking for a mediator in communicating with elonka may i help onka