the above paragraph illustrates that the axis to this entire debate is your misunderstanding of wp self more specifically your mistaken definition of reference wp self seeks to avoid encyclopediac references this means that all the facts of all articles come from the source and never from another article the reason for this is clear you however choose to define reference very liberally and take it to mean that wikipedia should never include anything about wikipedia which of course is silly somehow you've come to believe you are the last word on what is and is not relevant despite press coverage and vast consensus to the contrary mccarthyism is alive and well on wikipedia what's funny is these little witch hunts for irrelevance are so restricted in scope and totally arbitrary in their focus do us a favor and go take your fervor over to christina aguilera