i'm not sure i understand your reply and i'm not sure you read my talk entry at all again i realize the difference between a city a metropolitan statistical area a consolidated metropolitan statistical area an area of urbanization etc my addition was in no way subjective or original research but from u s census bureau statistics and was intended to make the jacksonville article consistent with wikipedia articles covering nearly every other major u s city i e putting the central city's surrounding metro into perspective in the opening without having to download an excel worksheet list in references this information in no way detracts from this article and otherwise the opening is simply a list of trivial details at the very least the opening paragraph of this article should state that the jacksonville metro pop yes metro not city is ranked nd in the u s as of but adding that it is th in florda does not hurt i would add this accurate and scientific info myself but i seem to be prevented from doing so which i believe is totally against the spirit of wikipedia