actually i've been neutral towards the paris area proposition people have supported the move people have opposed it including jared's weak oppose and people have been neutral outside few exceptions like bob's vote most of the oppose and neutral votes were motivated by the fact that in regards to the content of the article the title in paris has been felt as already implying the paris urban area in respect of english common usage and that adding anything wasn't formally necessary we all know the reasons why you disagree with this general conclusion by the way the reason why i haven't opposed the paris area proposition is because i consider it as more legitimate than an even more blurry proposal such as ile de france frankly i don't know what to think about it perhaps we could already change the title to of paris and check out how the things go if there's no new arguments in the next months then we let it go but if another comment about the title pops up in the discussion page probably another vote would have to be organized perhaps in a more succesful way september utc