i couldn't agree more i have kept my distance from most i p articles because i lack the degree of persistence required to weather some of these attritional pov heavy editorial wars i'm really amazed at the lengths to which some editors will go of course without equal and pov neutral counter pressure the entire project would gradually become a farce i think it takes real mettle to provide this counter pressure although they are surely well intentioned i think many administrators often improperly assign degrees of fault and error in these sprawling affairs due to impatience and their inability or unwillingness to address the substantive issues however from what i've read i do believe your edits and the reasons that underlie them are much more often than not fundamentally sound for sticking to the game instead of throwing up your hands and for your cogent and witty albeit occasionally discursive reasoning i wanted you to know that your efforts are appreciated even by those that do not participate in the same arenas cheers