greg have just copy edited the quote in that footnote and in criticism punctuation format and got to thinking about the word sacrifice it struck me as a bit odd first time round and have just seen it is your paraphrase of the independent report i assume that was your edit in criticism do you think the uninformed reader will understand what is meant by sacrifice in that context i e that true jihadists sacrifice their own lives in the pursuit of jihad i was wondering if actions the independent's word or some other word might be better or if the passage in criticism should be expanded to explain sacrifice if you think the word is okay and readers will pick it up from the quote anyway that's fine although i can't imagine readers look up all the citations do you see what i mean horrors i hope some admin doesn't think i'm canvassing an edit perhaps this should be on the talk page