it seems you mai sachme can only try to defame others and try to instigate bad feelings towards others instead of acting civil what you do here is simply a personal attack it is like the type of person who goes and talks bad about others behind their back alto adige south tyrol i replied to your message on the page look you don't even know me nor do i you i can respect your point of view on things but i'd appreciate that you respect my desire for a compromise i finally see your statement above about san francisco can't you see that you are letting your personal politics get involved with the naming of a page on english wikipedia i'm sorry but whatever the history alto adige is actually the more commonly used name in the united states also as a ladin myself of us origin i have no desire to play this italian versus german game history is what it is and to be honest the ladin speakers were there way before anyone was speaking italian in the region or when germans migrating to the area so to me even sudtirol is from an alien authority if you want to be entirely accurate but why this constant ethnic tension in europe sudtirol sounds nice tyrol is nice alto adige is nice from someone looking into the province of bolzano what i feel i'm seeing is some really radical politics i've been told by friends in trentino that italians don't feel welcome there ironic because you know the italian speakers of trentino are actually ladin too they didn't suddenly appear out of thin air you do remember italian is a national language that came over the italic peninsula some century ago right