more on gay games vii hi kile forgive me for butting in but i wanted to add an outside perspective you and marc have been discussing some issues that are very tough to deal with in the context of an encyclopedia and more so in the context of an open encyclopedia that anyone can edit you as the director of the opening ceremonies among other roles are probably the best source there is for information on the subject but on the other hand you're only one person and you're not verifiable by which i mean that information is in your head and it isn't possible for anyone else to look it up and corroborate it someone could ask you but there again you're only one person you can see the difficulties here there are a couple references i wanted to point you to that might help clarify the situation the first is wikipedia's policy on autobiographies a similar area where the best source of information is the individual themselves and to point out how wikipedia recognizes the issue at the topmost level the second is the speech at wikimania made by jimmy wales the founder of the wikimedia foundation so those are my outsider's comments i hope you continue to be a part of wikipedia and i hope you'll take a look at wikisource putting the speeches you mentioned on that site would be a great asset thanks talk contribs