alanscottwalker no you don't be silly the nature of wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles user or not use in wikipedia nothing is stopping anybody creating any template or article there are plenty of articles that use collapsed templates that probably should not so to argue that the fact that other articles use collapsed templates somehow implies muhammad's article should do it too is in itself a scorn worthy fallacy anthonyhcole no it's not in any case in an encyclopaedia editors' taste shouldn't matter much we're here to display information as opposed to showing our taste here