hi wknight i don't agree that is a consensus although i understand wikipedia rules may give discretion to a bureaucrat to tilt a decision one way or the other i can tell you opposion to elonka was generally highly motivated and as far as i know justified what is a circus indeed is to have to deal with elonka when her opinion differs from yours actually for the last days of the rfa oppose votes roughly equalled support votes in number the reality is that oppose got more and more steam as the discussion drew on regards