the longest response i've ever had from you for once actually helpful and had you done that originally i would probably have responded differently did you also note the comment above john from myself for now i've reverted to the previous consensus presenting both sides i suggest that in line with the guidelines on disputed articles that a discussion takes place before edits the edit i presented took everything back to the consensus view point before everyone had gotten all excited and the people involved were happy the words might have been different but the sentiment was there as noted by red hat above it was a 'self revert' so are you going to keep your promise and leave a message in my block log