orange thank you very much for your thoughtful comments i've read that wikipedia is interested in the product not the process zzm is obsessed with the process and presents endless hurdles to improving the product he constantly quotes wikipeida policies to me if i want to make a change i am violating wp xxxx he tells me every time i understand there is a wikipedia policy that says ignore all rules wp iar and another that says don't be a wp dick of course the one thing zzm clains over and over is that his right to do whatever he wants and for me this behavior is very disruptive is justified by wp own that i don't own it he's can't hold off for a few hours when i ask him so that i can finish something doesn't this violate wp dick but seriously wp own is just an excuse for endless circular edit wars because the answer to i don't own it is that he also doesn't own it but that brings up one more thing you really need to chill out however because i am afraid either you will be blocked from editing certain articles along with zzm i would hope or you will get frustrated and refuse to participate not very mature if you did that you say not very mature if you did that pardon me but one thing that i do own is my own life my own time and my own abilities right now the article judaism and evolution is a polished and sourced article from the heading jewish opposition to darwinian evolution on down above that heading the article is a mess of unsourced quotations mostly those quotations are generally correct and do give a good sense of what mainstream jewish opinion is on evolution but turning what is there now and all the other material that is available into a real article is going to be a lot of work of course somebody else could do that work and somebody else will eventually come along who wants to but am i not mature if i don't want to no my life is my life based on my experience with zayzayem who has followed me from one article into several others already i don't want to work on it i've got to have a life celebrate pesach visit my aging parents and more i'm willing to work on this material if i don't have to deal with zayzayem i welcome the participation of people like you shira jay jmabel izak and others who follow reasonable editing patterns use talk pages and so forth i've tried to talk several of my friends into becoming wikipedia editors they are people who could make huge contributions i know that if any of them ran into zayzayem that would be the end of their contribution to wikipedia do you understand my contention that following a person from one article into another and yet another is a form of stalking and that it makes me extremely uncomfortable even if the fellow is halfway around the world that's why i asked to have my user page sanitized last week all old entries to it were erased i used to have personal information about my family on that page