nccc and crossing the line i didn't read the entirety of this post yet but i can tell you already that you crossed the line so shortly after i cautioned that it was unwise to call names you called loverofart intellectually dishonest incompetent or both this is plainly and unequivocally unacceptable you're going to have trouble maintaining credibility in this from here on out dbiel and i have both asked you to try and work with the group instead of blatantly against it dbiel explained why he thought we should start from a shortened article and we've acknowledged all along that the criticisms section is a point of contention and needs to be addressed and loverofart while he has been stand offish has not been nearly as contentious or offensive as you have you had a chance to work peacefully and neutrally with other editors and you stubbornly rejected it in favor of pushing your point of view at the expense of civility and your own credibility i do not expect this to end well for you sorry this couldn't work out better