i am also unhappy with list of famous social democrats the list now before my amendments is karl ast pavel axelrod hjalmar branting ed broadbent gro harlem brundtland eduard bernstein gordon brown helen clark ingvar carlsson tommy douglas gary doer fedor dan tage erlander einar gerhardsen felipe gonzalez per albin hansson bob hawke paul hirst l t hobhouse j a hobson ant nio guterres toomas h ilves ricardo lagos mark latham jack layton julius leber ren l vesque wilhelm liebknecht anna lindh rosa luxembourg ramsay macdonald mihkel martna julius martov aleksandr s martynov olof palme g ran persson georgi plekhanov bob rae august rei gerhard schr der jens stoltenberg vera zasulich nothing against canadians but they make up too big a proportion of the list i am deleting paul hirst important academic but not famous as a social democrat richard dawkins ditto gary doer not important enough karl ast ditto mihkel martna ditto aleksandr s martynov ditto i would propose deleting bob rae not important enough and i think others should have a go at making the list better