apology i'm sorry about that the contrast between actually editing interesting articles on fascinating topics and having the debate what i regard as nonsense by editors i am constrained by wp agf to accept as interlocutors is just a little too aggravating personally for me not to sound dismissive you were not the object of my displeasure i did not wish to waste time there added a comment out of respect for one editor's efforts and found it was talked past by the primary disputant i know you are a very competent and decent mediator and feel duty bound for any displeasure this may have unintentionally caused i get insulted every other week around here and therefore tend to have a tough hide and a manner that may seem overbearing though unless one is tough minded in the i p editing cesspit you die a quick death and perhaps my years there shows best wishes