your debate on the dana jacobson article i totally agree with your point of view about wiki article editors i can't stand when someone continully reverts my additions to an article for no good reason i see no reason why common knowledge facts are deemed inadmissible to wiki let's say i add to the barack obama article the he was recently elected president of the united states but i don't cite a source does that make it untrue no but some wiki jackass will remove it for not being a sourced statement drives me nuts try to add paris hilton has herpes to the paris hilton article it won't last minutes even though everyone knows the tramp has the herp and if you are told that wikipedia is not a reliable source for citation in an article then why are so many people so concerned about citing sources to make wiki more accurate it's stated in the wiki rules that wiki is not a reliable source of info anyway