hmm i must say i find you suggestions quite perplexing you say that technocrats are attempting to push they're political ideas but if you know anything about technocracy you will know that it is avowedly a political or anti political so i don't know where you get that idea from as for your argument that the article shouldn't talk about technocracy's ideas and goals etc well i find that a bizarre suggestion i mean every article on wiki about a specific group would be expected to have info on the ideas goals and beliefs of that group that would be like saying that the article on say the republican party united states or any other group we care to mention shouldn't have any info on what that group advocates obviously it should have as much info as possible the only thing that matters is that it is presented in an accurate and neutral way eh you said there existed entries on technocracy in some encyclopaedias can i ask which ones as for using them as sources i don't think we're actually meant to use one encyclopaedia to write another as that would be getting the info second or third had and the other encyclopaedias must have eventually derived their knowledge of technocracy from the movement itself and it's literature so i see no reason not to simply present that info first had besides i've not seen any online encyclopaedias that have better information about technocracy than this article i believe i've seen brief overviews but nothing of any great detail of course if you know of any articles that have potentially useful info then go ahead and present it btw you are correct about skip that's what i've been trying to say all along anyway i'm going to bed now so the protection should be gone by the time i come back and then hopeful we can get this article back on track