arcayne i appreciate your reasoned involvement is this issue i am ready to move on but i point out that i did not bring this issue to my talk page i will defend myself against dreamguy's false allegations and against killerchihuahua's uncivil comments the fact is that at april i left a message to dreamguy stating that i had notified all of the editors involved in the afd this was true then and it is true now for dreamguy to say otherwise as he did is false