i don't want to get involved with this sort of nonsense so i'll just comment i e let off steam quietly here sorry if it's the wrong place for the record i did not do anything like refuse to believe what amaltheus said about the summary box is about the summary box i came late to the discussion and tried to act as a mediator i told amaltheus that it all seemed to have got sidetracked into personal matters and apparent expressions of hurt feelings and that i therefore found it hard to discern what change s amaltheus actually wanted to make to the article i suggested that a restatement of the key issue s might be useful then this sort of tirade oh well steam vented apologies for abusing your talk page