march utc i am not taking advice from either of you this is a conversation between me and the administrator the only problem i see is that obnoxious and confrontational editors like verbal are given free reign and in the process they drive other editors off the site i've offered my advice stop valuing the input of wiki addicts like verbal and start valuing the input of productive editors place a daily limit on the number of posts to discourage wiki addiction and ask editors not to make extensive edits to subjects they know nothing about until that is done the warring on wikipedia will continue and knowledgeable editors will continue to be driven off the site and the articles will suffer