it seems to me to use a christian metaphor that you cast the first stone basically my attitude here is that it is not only good men who should be identified as christians if someone self identifies as a train enthusiast that is good enough for me if there is a wikipedia category for train enthusiasts then he should be included the category is for train enthusiasts not good train enthusiasts we have no need to examine the purity of his enthusiasm besides you are on a slippery slope in one western democracy yesterday it was announced that more than abortions happened last year that country is run by one who identifies himself very publicly as a christian but he never speaks out against abortion he also took his country to war on false pretenses he deliberately told lies and in that war innocent civilians have died who would not have died if there had been no war using your argument tony blair cannot be identified as a christian but i do not want to use your argument nor do i think we should but even if we use your argument we cannot see into tariq aziz's soul that you presumably another christian re act with distaste that aziz belongs to the same club is not the point create a category for saintly christians is a possibility although it would be horribly pov and maybe you should exclude azis from that category