dude i am and possess degrees in philosophy science and theologyfrom notre dame not from a vo tech where you likely went after finally getting your ged you offer rejoinders to my points without ever having addressed them clearly you are unfamiliar with pope john xxiii the pontiff who facilitated vatican ii in the early 's and who intentionally refused to refer to the catholic church as the roman catholic church it is equally patently obvious you know nothing about father mcbrien or charles whitehead are you incapable of reading above a fifth grade level or do you just lack the capacity for intelligent thought what's most remarkable is that rather than take solace in your own self assured beliefs you repeatedly return to this forum in a juvenile effort to have the last word i have one last word for you chill again grow up and grow deep we in the catholic church forgive you for your obstinance and your ignorance