yes but the discusion has been long and user tbma dosent take any notice from any kind of argument and now he uses grade sources for ex the book kantakoski pekka punaiset panssarit puna armeijan panssarijoukot red tanks the red army's armoured forces is an exelent book on red army tank units but it dont cover battle for tali ihantal more than a cuple of phrases and its both old and inaccurate on the soviet oob newer and better resershed and on a deeper scale is the work of proffesor otho manninen who studied russian archives and koskimaa this sources is not even considerd by tbma