removing dyer references i propose removing from the references section the books written by dyer i have not read dyer's books but from what node ue says it seems to me that he's just a crank he appears to have no clue in linguistics i don't think a sane linguist would take two random people put them to translate a text from yiddish compare the resulting texts and get to the conclusion yep we have two different languages also he uses made up expressions such as sovetul sic de deputa i or cuvinte slujitoare to prove his points which is akin to data fabrication in regular science bogdan dyer did not come to the conclusion that moldovan and romanian are truly separate languages with regards to the parallel translation he says the greatest difference between these two texts are in the vocabularies and in the styles they employ there is a more 'flowering' prose in the moldovan text to reiterate the difference here is one of style not one of substance actually le style est l'homme m me as buffon once said dyer starts from the premise that the style in each country is homogenous it is not there are much more differences between different individuals in the same country his ways of studying language is just as useless as the way the nazis studied genetics by assuming the homogenity of the aryan race yes that's his point that nearly all of the differences between the two passages are not differences between two languages but just because two different translators earlier you said a sane linguist would take two random people put them to translate a text from yiddish actually he got these comparisons from published translations in romanian and moldovan he didn't just walk up to random people on the street the only actual possible grammatical difference he finds in the texts is moldovan pe tot ce vretsi and romanian pe c t vretsi there were very few web results for pe tot ce vreti about and one of them was from the zdob shi zdub website a moldovan band there were no results in moldova for pe cit vreti pe cat vreti so that may or may not be valid i personally would say pe tot ce vretsi but i don't know if it's real i suppose this is part of an expression such as jur pe tot ce vrei or pun pariu pe tot ce vrei anyway both sound common enough in romanian and sounds pretty subjective choosing one for romanian and one for moldovan now neither of those expressions is made up he takes both from m bruchis' work one step back two steps forward which is also quite critical of the notion of an independent moldovan language but can this author prove they exist probably not since no google hits are found michael bruchis you mean i'm sure he can he's an expert too he wrote an entire book on the subject just because no google hits exist doesn't mean an expression isn't real do you find any google results for cit vreti site a md or cat vreti site a md or even tot ce vreti site a md no you don't but that doesn't mean that nobody says those things in moldova how many results do you find for instrumente gramaticale and none of them are at md websites you can find the word cuvintelnic on google but does that mean it's really the moldovan word for dictionar no moldovan ppl only use that word when we're joking dexonline ro finds results too just because a term occurs or doesn't occur on google doesn't mean it is or isn't real sovetul is not a misspelling rather it's a soviet era spelling soviet was spelt as sovet some moldovans still spell it that way although it's usually considered incorrect however he is quoting the phrase from bruchis who published his work a bit earlier when the spelling was still accepted i agree with your opinion such an ignorant person like expert dyer can't be called expert talk contribs