matia i have told you a hundred times that articles on dialects do not have the word language in the title witness brigish english mandarin linguistics flemish linguistics ashkenazi hebrew cantonese linguistics american english sephardi hebrew etc etc arvanitic is a dialect according to all our sources as interpreted by wikipedia policy therefore arvanitic language or arvanitika language are out of the question i don't want to use arvanitika albanian as it will be too controversial so i don't want albanian in the title therefore the only options are arvanitic or arvanitika they can and should be used arvanitic has the majority vote and therefore that shall be used what is wrong with it it is neutral it does not prescribe that arvanitic is a language or a dialect and as it has been pointed out the reader can review all the evidence for himself herself and see what he she thinks wikipedia should not take sides and especially wikipedia should not say that unesco britannica etc aree wrong macedonian and luxembourgish etc can be treated as languages because all neutral credible sources say they are while the same sources say that arvanitic is a dialect if britannica or unesco etc said that they were dialects then they could be treated as such no neutral source formally aknowledges that they are dialects why should they be treated as such every neutral source says that arvanitic is a dialect and therefore should be treated as such and the word language should not be in the title we can discuss possibilities of it being a language in the text but not in the title arvanitic is neutral and will be used as it has received he majority support possibilities of arvanitic being a language in its own right can be discussed in the article not in the title as that would be a violation of wikipedia's policies what unesco britannica etc say is assumed correct according to wp v and wp nor i am not labeling arvanites albanians against their will are we labeling the irish english against their will by calling their language hiberno english a dialect of english no so stop that straw man argument arvanitic is neutral and will not offend anyone and has majority support here and will be used according to policy the world is not made to please you neither is wikipedia we have policies that must be observed so if you want to use wikipedia you will just have to accept them regards ps does peace mean having to violate wp policies that is what you are asking me to do