are deciding which is a relevant cello sonata and what is not you have decided that the carter is relevant and the blackwood sonata is also relevant i would be surprised if most cellist would even know blackwood i happen to like the work and they belongs in your version of this list this article as well as other similar ones need to be a list arranged by epoch or other criteria otherwise it is not accurately titled cello sonata list of cello sonatas this information needs to be aquired from all source available then organized accordingly otherwise you are hindering the true potential of wikipedia i am sure of this specially in the awakening of internet technologies i cannot but agree with the personal promotion issue but in this case you are making a particular composer the issue i have many other composers i'd like to ad to this lists and possibly write about and i would not mind being edited or corrected by the wikipedia community but not by one person this cannot possibly be what wikipedia intended if it is so the visionary model would be compromised and lost in long term if information arrives which is factual accurate and sourced regardless of source should it be included or is it subject to editorial opinion based control by one person please answer me this one question and is the cello sonata list a list of existing cello sonatas or only of certain cello sonatas which an administrator agrees with as relevant all the best wishes destella all righty then if you think i'm biased go ask for another opinion from another administrator there's of us do it the list is here wikipedia list of administrators i'm sure you can find one who is not defensive or does not have issues with successful composers please leave a post on the administrators' noticeboard if you think i am biased do it if you truly believe that i am biased go get another opinion and don't accuse me of having my version of the cello sonata article for i have not edited it except to remove your promotion i did not write the article talk dear antandrus you still did not answer my questions which do not relate to the self promotion issue which of course is clear i will in the future refrain from adding any information about family members but if information arrives which is factual accurate and sourced regardless of editor should it be included isn't it a loss to wp and is the cello sonata list and this question applies to all open lists in wp a list of all existing cello sonatas or only of certain cello sonatas to be determined by administrators in any case thank you for your time in clarifying a lot about wp and its mechanisms these are relevant quotes from information i have found in wp guideline pages lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources in this scase the list title is list of cello sonatas so adding any existing and published cello sonatas should be valid unless the listing title is changed to narrow the list i would suggest adding the criteria to cello sonatas that are in print or published do you agree and i simply politely ask that if you have a problem with an entry you tag the sentence or listing by adding the or use another wp guideline way to allow for the editor to respond not simply arbitrarily remove in particular with lists thank you again for your time and i look forward to becoming more involved in the wp community kudos to all involved destella hi again thanks for promising to follow our coi guideline that's my main issue as an administrator with your edit that started this thread as an editor i have no problem with you adding or removing names from lists and i encourage you to improve articles in any way you would like regarding the list of cello sonatasthis is a problematic issue and has to do with the evolution of wikipedia within the last couple years most of the embedded lists within articles have been moved to their own articles but several years ago that was not the case see the history of renaissance music and list of renaissance composers for an example cello sonata is a sadly neglected article and needs a lot of improvement have a look at list of compositions for cello and piano and list of solo cello pieces for two more places some of these things are written up and i suggest it may be time to split off