what do you mean the source isn't verifiable i'm waiting on a copy from the library unless you're proposing that the material simply isn't in the book at all which seems unlikely it is most certainly verifiable going to have to refer you back to wp v the citation needs to be completed for that one you can see wp cite you first brought this issue up on saturday and as soon as i have the book in hand i will complete the citation but i don't think any of us are going to spend to get the book overnight simply to see you move on to another straw man user j aka justen talk