gentleman i have made it perfectly clear that el arsenal was removed because i have been unable to verify it's existance at the current palmer site there simply is no information available to back it up as for pov this was solved earlier as one can see this article is based solely on factual knowledge if there's anyone who'd like a primer on how to perform research journalistic ethics etc i'd be happy to help but let's stop these personal attacks haven't attacked you or given nonsensical criticism to edits performed by you etc this is a forum for facts not your interpretation of facts let's keep it that way