i clicked your signature in note you posted to my talk page which is a beautiful color with distinctive typography it led me to the page i posted on i assumed that was the page you wanted me to post on since your signature led me there i had not thought of the mutability of wikipedia articles that is a good reason to prohibit using them as references i agree that if wikipedia only cited itself it could say anything at all emphasis added by me but wikipedia does not cite only itself and in fact the wikipedia reference i used was to a sentence with an outside reference although i was careful about that outside reference i am sure that many would not be so i will agree that the outside references do not invalidate this argument against self references