there is a problem here is that some editors claim detroit is not the birthplace of techno but do not provide citations to back up their position at the same time the internet is bulging at the seams with information showing that detroit is where techno was birthed certainly europe has adopted techno as it's own more than america or even detroit ever has or did but unless we can get some real citations going we need to remove what i see as the wishful editing claims that techno began in western europe we require citations i'm honestly pretty neutral in this i enjoy techno but i prefer other genres i just happened to stumble across the article read the first sentence and checked the citation for the western europe claim as it was news to me and was sent to a dead page i searched techno origins and found numerous pages saying detroit birthed techno and added those cites the evidence is just flat out contradictory to what some editors wish to believe honestly i do not care but if wikipedia is to be a reliable source we as a community must be honest with what the facts are or provide evidence in citations for alternate claims i won't be doing any further edits in this article i'll leave this one alone i can sense this could turn ugly real quick so i leave it to people who care more than i do ultimately if i'm wrong fine no biggie just please give good citations