i share your feminist sensibilities and agree on your former point i was merely quoting anna the most recent subject of his sexist apostrophes for re emphasis as to your latter point while i don't mean to get on a southern gentleman soapbox but as one myself and noticing michael self identifies as a texan an honorary southerner in some circles i don't share your certainty as to what is needed in order to get through to him obviously what has been tried thus far earnest paraphrase of blandly worded wp policy guidelines has not proven particularly effective such policies speak to all and thus to no one in particular a call to personal honor is often all it takes in such circumstances in my experience with some such men old fashioned yes and often surprisingly effective too we'll see soon what sort of man he is by his verbal actions elsewhere not his words here