sorry if i sounded unduly critical mate i have been suffering from severe physical pain for the last few weeks and it has left me rather grouchy i am chewing painkillers like sweets at the moment i and others weren't sure if in taking off the other caption we'd then be botted again if we know we can be sure of that we can be free of that pleasure then of course they should be taken off what happens is that if someone is working on a number of things constantly going in and out of old images just adds more work when in fact we may have moved off to another topic completely and forgotten about an individual image re the vatican it is confusing there was a template created to list vatican images and their context but that was deleted so users then end up linking to where the image was displayed not where it came from organisations which use these images don't state they are vatican images because they don't have to in the media i do some media work we often like to maintain that something was taken by our photographer or film crew it sounds good to the viewer newspapers and tv stations don't explain to viewers and readers the concept of pooling where one agreed photographer takes images that then everyone uses people would expect that if the queen meets the pope that it would be the bbc who would record it or if president bush meets the pope that it is cbs nbc abc etc who were there not the vatican's own guy i simply know how these things work because i work in the media and have had dealings with the vatican press office i am on their email list in any case as mantillas are worn exclusively in relation to meetings with popes the only images available are going to be news agency images in the vatican ordinary people aren't able to be there to photograph the head of state wearing one until the head of state goes walkabout with tourists and their cameras in st peter's square etc so there is no alternative to those images if there was i'd use it immediately i spent an hour searching for alternative images news agency images are only ever used by me as a last resort where we need to be able to show something and there simply is no other way of doing it caint