citing legitimate sources is not defacing wikipedia you are the one attempting to spread propoganda by deleting this cited and sourced information i do have a pov just as you do except my pov cites legit sources with that pov it is not a crime or against the rules to cite sources who have a pov there is no going around it so don't spin the wiki policies and rules i feel sorry for people like you who are so out of touch with reality and with facts that the only way they know how to defend the fairy land they call reality is to delete and eliminate all oposition gibby