hi i request that you look at wp tpno before responding further i also request that you read wp rtp this discussion has gone on for way too long and unfortunately you seem not to be able to get the point discussions or taunts such as the section i collapsed previously are irrelevant to making the article better i collapsed that discussion because it has absolutely nothing to do with the article but rather your and lindenberg's dispute with irwolfie if you are going to waste time being disruptive with comments like that in the future they will be collapsed i also remind you that wikipedia is not a forum and that this talk page is not your general discussion page for tau those will be collapsed too as they are also irrelevant to the improvement of this article or lack thereof as it might be i ask that you please stop disrupting wikipedia by continuing your discussions here