thank you i understand i became frustrated when articles came up at once by mdtemp after i put in a lot of work into the articles i argued found sources argued again and just gave up one who made it through was james thompson whom was an olympic alternate or times and time medalist in the national championships while also being the subject of independent articles even there they kept saying he didn't pass manote when he obviously passed gng i don't believe that the group of individuals were looking at wp before where it stated d search for additional sources if the main concern is notability the minimum search expected is a google books search and a google news archive search google scholar is suggested for academic subjects such searches should in most cases take only a minute or two to perform i was typically referred to opinions on subjects like wp manote even though it say it is a guide and gng which is a policy so i read some of these policies and made sure that my articles fit those narrow criteria i started to put in minimal writing so that i wouldn't get upset if they were deleted i used google news and google books as my primary sources as per afd wp before suggestions that is why you see a lot more olympians and negro league players now from me they are automatically considered to be notable i was surprised to see some of the martial arts editors editing the articles on negro basketball and baseball players i created and this annoyed me as it seemed to go into the area of wp hounding i was trying to avoid them and possible confrontations you are right when it comes to the eve aronoff article i will fix that also are the same person he uses his nickname and a middle name which are forwarded to one article that article was initially speedily deleted but passed drv so that is why i didn't count them and had a lower number than the number redirects to another article that leaves which will probably turn into i am assuming that john roseberry another african american judo practitioner who won a silver in the national championships had an independent article written about him founded a style of karate and won multiple military championships in judo will be deleted i do believe that i am doing far better than some other individuals who have created articles on martial arts again thanks for responding and i will address my own issues