sorry for not replying mh i did not see anything further i could say there that would advance towards a solution my concern with the rfc title could of course have been solved by retitling it but that would not solve the issue that the discussion was focused on editor behavior rather than improvements to the article based on the comments to the an i where i requested review of my early close and to the talkpage discussion it spawned i think it might have been better to retitle collapse the sniping and attempt to focus the discussion based on the few remaining comments i think i disagree with both ikip and ludwigs more often than i agree but they in particular have made good comments hjm i would be happy to see you or anyone open a neutrally worded mediation discussion with the aim of reducing the adversarial atmosphere but the venue needs to be appropriate to the issues several editors there have expressed concerns with the medcab process so wikipedia wikiproject environment perhaps after creating a dedicated taskforce would seem a good place to discuss organization of the whole family of articles and rfc u or arbcom would be good for discussing editor conduct there have already been a number of rs n npov n and blp n discussions of related issues that could probably be exhumed for background i have some hope though that the recent infusion of fresh blood might work out a solution without escalation that said i would not close the discussion you propose the strength of the collaborative editing model lies in seeking and acting on consensus rather than acceding to the rationations and whims of any single editor cont