firstly outright misrepresenting my comments in an attempt to invalidate my contribution is upsetting to see this is the not first time you have done so in this area either that or attacked me directly or indirectly in a vaguely uncivil way please do not do so again in terms of engagement honestly i have tried i tried to engage with you and your supporters who i think could equally be seen as a noisy minority trying to subvert community process but just got indirect incivility bluster and poorly focused ideas i e on paid not advocacy the discussion so far has spectacularly failed to intelligently engage the core issues or consider the significant areas wikipedia fails in protecting companies from harm you faq being a case in point it focuses on the important negative aspects of paid advocacy but doesn't contain any helpful self criticism then i tried to engage the paid advocates but your bright line comments appear to have alienated most of those from being interested in dialogue so i keep doing my bit on the sidelines addressing actual content issues it's not glamorous but it at least picks away at the core matter what upsets me most is that you seem to be casting my viewpoint that a bright line is impractical and wouldn't change much that we don't handle issues with company articles well at all that being paid to write about something doesn't mean you can't ever be objective as errantx thinks the community wants paid advocates to be able to advocate on wikipedia that strongly discourages me from engaging and what is more when i do i feel you've struggled to address any of these thoughts errant chat