what you say makes sense to me i was simply documenting in the least intrusive manner i could think of some basic data that came from menken's article i left out the fascinating similarity between hebrew potter and treasury and the consequent septuagint mistranslation frankly i should write an article making menken's work more accessible it would take some pressure off the judas article which is much wider in scope my main problem is that i'm supposed to spend time doing such things for a living so the pleasure will need to wait for another time anyway i see from your edits that you have a insight into the issues and know how to present things in neutral as well as clear ways fr hliche pfingsten mein freund