jayjg this is nonsense you are misquoting the subject milliband didn't simply say i'm jewish he said obviously i'm jewish it is part of my identity but not in a religious sense milliband recognised that simply saying i'm jewish would lead many hearers to make a religious assumption so he qualified it you say but saying you are jewish doesn't imply religiousness and i immediately accusing you of doing exactly what you accuse others of doing imposing your meaning of what jewish means that's what you said was original research isn't it milliband obviously recognised that simply saying i'm jewish would mislead at least some hearers into making a religious assumption which is why qualified his self identity now if you label him as jewish and stick him in an unqualified jewish box you leave open the very misinterpretation that he was at pains to exclude and you do it by saying here is how i define judish identity and worse by ignoring the fact that some many people hearing jewish don't share your preconception the subject has said what the subject has said we should record it we should not qualify it truncate it ignore it or say your fears of misinterpretation are ill founded and thus your qualification unnecessary scott mac