history of primal therapy article i read through the recent discussions on talk primal therapy i also added two more comments to the talk arthur janov page did you send an email enquiry the date for france d's marriage to art is without credibility after the divorce to vivian's great credit she avoided the temptation to publicly humiliate arthur janov after all he wrote in the original primal scream it is instructive to note that married couples who have both gone through primal therapy have never separated chapter and according to france d janov's own admission in the primal center's video series she enrolled at the primal institute because excessive marihuana use had broken down her gates so it's a fact that art married a former patient my feeling is that despite being tagged as a stub the content of the arthur janov article is just about right for an encyclopedia entry it isn't really the place to dissect janov's reputation i know it happens in other wikipedia biographies but in many cases it has got out of hand i agree with your suggestion on the primal therapy talk page that this kind of material belongs in a separate history of primal therapy article the conocer piece doesn't strike me as a sound source of verifiable information so i put together some links to articles which can be found online if you type emotional intelligence into google the no result is steve hein's eqi org website he interviewed a former patient who attended arthur janov's primal center in the late 's you can find his interview notes here labelled cautionary note janov's bio on the primal center website states the latest research conducted at dr janov s primal center on the effects of primal therapy on the brain was performed by dr erik hoffman former professor of neurophysiology at copenhagen university you can read what erik hoffmann ph d is doing now at hoffmann's website on this page you can find a transcript of dr e michael holden's account of what happened to him after he left the primal institute carol mither's book therapy gone mad identifies case histories from janov's first two books that were written by defendants in the lawsuits against the center for feeling therapy simon thanks simon why can't you create an account like normal wikipedians complete with a talk page i don't think the history idea will come to much there is just insufficient well sourced information to make much out of it especially in view of cgingold's latest analyses on the primal therapy talk page regarding derogatory statements about living individuals i have already read the michael holden swan song twice sad case you seem to be applying two standards of evidence the primal therapy article gives an outline of primal theory based on arthur janov's books alone which were written to attract paying customers to his exclusive and expensive private treatment center last september i wrote in the primal therapy talk page will the article have something to offer readers who want to know about stettbacher's method or the international primal association or the plethora of copycat primal centers that flourished in the s there is sufficient well sourced information available for a history article for a start two books about the center for feeling therapy erik hoffmann's bio and the transcript of dr e michael holden's audio tape which was played a number of times at the ipa convention in the books by carol mithers and tomas videg rd are already referenced in the main article i have a copy of videg rd's book by the way also professor steven rose wrote a one page account of his research with arthur janov in lifelines as janov had hoped it turned out that before therapy the quantity of these particular receptors in his client's platelets was considerably below normal within six months of therapy clients' depression had lifted and the biochemical and immunological measures i was making approached the average for 'normal' non depressed people of the same age and sex further down the same page he added i obtained similar biochemical results when a couple of years later i did a similar study with depressed clients going through other less dramatic forms of psychotherapy so i suspect that in such cases the therapist matters more than the therapeutic theory having participated in the editing of articles in t