the lede altogether first of all let my say i apologize for what was described as an uncivil debate between the user tippx and myself i'm willing to work this thing out like mature adults if he is but the attitude of my way or the high way comes and it's going to go nowhere and probably end the same first of all i have to say i agree talk with your assessment of currently the lede is too brief to do this job properly which perhaps gives the impression that mentioning the detainee incident so prominently is giving undue focus to one particular event that's exactly the impression i got i felt tippx was trying to put too much emphasizes on something controversial partly b c at the same time he insisted a couple facts in the early life section were overwhelmingly positive as he stated but forget the early life section for now lets talk about improving the lede section because i agree it does need improving it's just a bunch of short complete sentences which is why if you look at my edited version i combined some to make it flow while also adding in diminutive additional facts but at the same time i didn't make one fact override the other i listed basically the key things about west's career and that was it nothing was more emphasized and i actually as you can see came to agree that west's exit from the military did need to be mentioned but to a certain degree while that is a key thing in west's career it's one of many i listed he won this past election but also lost his first election listed after he retired the jobs he took up before his first bid for election and i did it all in chronological order felt it was balanced cited and edited well but ofcourse the user reverted it and his only explanation was a different one sounded better but off of that and onto how we can get it right first of all i'll be clear it's legitimate and cogent and i'm going to insert back the fact that former congressman josiah wall was the last black florida congressman and also the last exact year is substituted for in november he was elected as the first african american republican congressman from florida since the s it's not that much more lengthy and listing the exact year and the last person who indeed was the last black rep from florida i feel does no harm and doesn't for a sec take a viewer completely out of the main subject and also justified to just say in the mid term election rather than november everyone knows our elections are in november but when a reader years from now may be reading the fact it says mid terms will immediately thwart the curiosity of whether this subject's election triumph was in a presidential election year or mid term year and it also it's rational to just put he's republican representative elect rather than he's representative elect from florida and the he is a member of the republican party those can easily and rationally be combined no requisite for deliberation there as far as what and talk contribs say about the interrogation incident qwurxian your statement of you cannot factually state that it was due to pressure that it was to preserve his benefits because he was afraid of being convicted or any other reason i guess one would feel we need an exact statement from west's mouth as to exactly why then ok i guess find a statement by him saying why but one would assume it was at least two if not all three of what you mentioned by simple coherence we'll leave that open and we'll leave else to be be dealt with and we can figure out how to combine and get the right lede we're looking for as well as anything else