ufc afds those were never transcluded to the afd page so there's probably not a lot of point them existing i'm a bit pushed for time today so if you want to remove the afd banners from the articles i'll delete the afd pages when i get the chance i haven't been able to spend much time on wikipedia lately looks like they've been officially listed as afds i'll leave them alone for now jake bostwick i've only nominated a few very obvious mma people before bostwick was deleted via afd discussion a speedy delete on grounds of it being deleted before was denied to me he still fails wp mmanot but i'm in no way a mma expert what do you think at first glance it appears that bostwick hasn't fought at the highest level of mma as required by wp athlete or whatever the guideline is these days and wp mmanot if i had an interest in having the article removed i would afd it again hello it has been brought to my attention from an outside source about this discussion can i first point out that jake bostwick is a former ucmma middleweight champion and currently the ucmma welterweight champion ucmma is along with bamma and cage warriors the biggest mma promotion in the united kingdom secondly after glancing over wp mmanot and wp athlete i see that they are indeed guidelines now i may be cut from a different cloth from you two in terms of how we see what a guideline is but to me a guideline is optional when it comes to following it meaning that they cannot be used in afds as the sole reason why to delete any article thirdly i have spent much time working on the page as well as being the creator of the page i have found very strong sources from websites such as the sun the mirror as well as finding information that goes beyond it from being a 'typical' mixed martial artist's wikipedia page as it has information about him being on a reality tv show called party wars and being the headline of an article in which he got into issues with the police for his tactics whilst working as a wheel clamper only strengthens his notability the very sources on him alone helps him pass wp gng which is all you need to pass a page on wikipedia in my opinion i would welcome constructive ideas about improving the page even more but to talk about deleting the page without informing me first of this discussion i find is a bit disrespectful towards me however i fairness to you we haven't exactly known each other for a while so now i have adding myself to the topic and given the facts of the page's position on wikipedia now we can talk to help improve the page even more user pound pound since you filed the spi i wanted to update you that i've reversed the block i requested another editor to review the case and while there are a lot of coincidences he felt it was borderline enough based on behavior that the block should be reversed and instead just monitor the situation i had some reservations going into the block but it seemed likely however i fully respect the review and would ask we all give the benefit of the doubt in this case i completely see why you reported it i did block after all so there is no question as to your faith here just wanted to update you join wer alpha chi national honor society copyright i made changes and enhancements to the alpha chi national college honor society page including citations to sources the director of operations contacted wikipedia granting permission for material from the website to be used by wikipedia she received a reply indicating that it was safe to move forward with the edits nearly a month later you removed the edits is there something i'm missing here a copy of the email sent to wikipedia and the reply dear lara noah thank you for your email our response follows your message lara