january utc francis of course i am open to the consensus of the group any actual trads involved however i think your argument is misplaced mainstream roman catholicism at this time includes a broad cross section of people with a wide variety of commitment levels and yet all are considered catholic so i do not think that one can simply compare trads in general with a subset of mainstream catholics which we might for convenience term hardcore in any event my vision for this article in general and for this section in particular is to present an accurate picture of the persons discussed who are traditional or traditionalist catholics given that it obvious that some things which are identified with them such as praying the rosary frequently or going to confession often will also be found among some more commited more devout mainstream catholics to address your concerns i am open to acknowledging in the article that this overlap exists however i think that removing any reference in this article in this section to recitation of the rosary is selling both somewhat short there are other things as well which could be added such as a preference for homeschooling which again would not be confined to trads or even catholics but which i would think would correlate highly with a traditionalist position however the question of the rosary sort of gets to the heart of the matter