edit conflict some good points which require more thought some initial responses i don't think ukraine in wwi is suitable because most of the activity discussed in the article wasn't directly concerned with the war and the period covered doesn't correspond to the duration of wwi ukraine after the collapse of the russian empire would be better but it only defines the period in question by what it followed in contrast in the russian revolution is associated with the events covered herein i agree that history of ukraine is the most neutral but that is simply because it avoids saying what the article is about i think readers appreciate being given a clue to the subject of an article when they see the title in isolation it would also be good to have a title which can at least occasionally be linked directly rather than always having to type a piped link history of ukraine ukraine in the russian revolution the first revolution of is what starts the events here and russian revolution or russian civil war can refer to the greater events up to i also think this article requires an earlier section covering events from the revolution but that will take a bit of reading first is it a problem to associate a ukrainian history article with the russian revolution in the title personally i think it's neutral because it doesn't imply that ukraine was russian but merely refers to the defunct russian empire but as i wrote above you make some good points i'd like to get some more input from other editors z z