thanks bjsiders for your reply okay here is what i define as civil liberties the same thing that the bill of rights defines as civil liberties here are two of those liberties not defended by the democrats freedom of speech not defended by democrats democrats tend to jump on people who say offensive things offensive how or to whom is guess what the democrats they tend to jump on people who do not use what they consider to be the current politically correct lingo people have lost their jobs because of this sort of thing freedom of speech is a right a god given right enforced in our constitution the right to bear arms obviously the right to bear arms torn down by their own admission please see article page 'crime and gun control under democrat party stances the right to from a militia and the right to bear arms shall not be infringed this seems pretty clear and simple to me the right to defend ourselves against tyranny another god given and therfore inalienable right i hope i haven't offended too many democrats by using the word god in public thanks for actually reading this and applying thought to it maggie