july utc yes and no yes because well it's a technical decision made by the developers they change the config files at the direction of their bosses the userrights change in theory it is a decision we could make without consulting the community in practise look i've been an editor for years now most of those as just an editor i've been contracted here for i think months and change i know how silly a decision that'd be both for practical reasons people would get totally up in arms about it and for good reason and ethical ones we owe a duty to involve editors in decisionmaking wherever we can because we're a bottom up organisation not a top down one so generally speaking i think editors should be able to disagree and i think editors should at least be asked their opinion before a change is made that's what i believe and that's why i held that rfc that's also why arguing with me is likely to be futile not because this is a wmf decision not because this is my staff account but because we asked people what they want and they said give this to rollbackers too i believe this was a perfectly valid expression of the community's opinion on the subject and that it's much more applicable than the rfc which was held when the community was in a much different state addressing an in some respects radically different question and not explicitly prohibiting these actions so i'm not going to be persuaded by appeals to that and it's not me you should be looking to persuade if you want the situation to change as said hold your own if you don't want to do that i'm stuck in a situation hired as a person to ensure the community was listened to where the only way out is to ignore the opinions of those editors who spoke up when presented with the opportunity and i'm not going to do that