thank you for proving to me so effectively that nobody here reads anything anyone says except the bits they're interested in this is exactly the same thing dave and charles and everyone else does here as anyone can see i didn't make any insulting comments about dave i explained to you why people like dave will always feel insulted when the truth is pointed out to them or are you seriously suggesting that by highlighting the fact that dave said something that was provably false about me and articles and wikipedia rules is in your book an insult to him if anything that's an insult to me and wikipedia but yes i'm well aware now that this isn't something that remotely concerns you or is that insulting to you now who knows wikipedia seems to have a moral compass all of its own i will admit to calling charles a troll because he is one it seems a shame to me that you're not willing to even investigate whether he is one before you will block me though apparently my only crime here is to not say it on a noticeboard there's not much that can be said about that sort of outlook but it's pretty obvious what effect it's going to have on people who are the victims of such trolling