sorry mcd b but the debate isn't even and fair because the genesis side has the name without consensus per last rfc and it isn't stable because im here asking for an rfc and ask about once a year as do others and with their posts being censored and deleted then it clearly isn't even and fair sergecross that's the whole point there doesn't need to be a new approach or viewpoint presented peoples minds can change and consensus can change which is why having an rfc would be worth while