as the third wheel in this particular menage a trois no one else seems to care at this point i have to side with msa whilst wp v may apply in situations such as band x has sold m albums but that only includes their first albums not their third which has been out for months but there are no figures for that album this debate to me appears to fall more under the auspices of wp ucs all of the cited references stem from the same common source the brochure specs if a helicopter engineer and a pilot both posit that those numbers are at best optimistic suggests to me that the figures aren't robust enough to guarantee their inclusion in an encyclopedia i don't think that this constitutes wp or just that it renders sufficient doubt on the given citations to preclude their inclusion as inarguable verifiable fact on that basis i propose reverting to msa 's last revision i'll give it hours and i'm also shifting this discussion to the article's talk page as that seems the more sensible place