irving literary society cornell university deletionism and inclusionism in wikipedia neutral point of view third party review wikiproject new york posting transferred from user page hi cmagha i never saw the original afd discussion but i think the article looks like the start of something fantastic my only concern would be that the majority of your references seem to come from cornell specific sources i e cornell daily sun cornell era cornell register etc college university published sources are a bit of a grey area within wp n when dealing with a campus organization as some may not consider these to be independent of the subject that being said we aren't dealing with a fly by night college band that played at moonshadows and had a writeup in the ithacan this is a literary society almost as old as cornell university itself and has had significance well beyond east hill despite the large number of cu oriented sources which i personally believe are independent you have enough that would be unambiguously independent to survive another afd if need be i'd post what you have now and keep looking for more ' says you says two wow great work sorry i've been out of the loop double smiley face from the syracuse orangemen brought in to ensure neutrality think the critics need to read the article from a distance this is hardly promotional when you think about it it is basically saying that cornell university had a chance to excell in an intellectual activity and tanked we obviously would not have done that at su i do think there is a sumner cite out there to that cmagha missed will look for it wiptransferred from user pageoversaw your preparations at since others may communicate here now and again you may want to move your editorial notes to a user subpage like talk thanks for the tip very hard to learn lots of the intricacies of the wikiworld i stll have some prep to do before asking the administrator to move that article over there are two editors in particular who are still a little raw on the article and the administrator while fair and neutral has been tough guidance from administtrator october just reviewed the irving article again notability addressed in the first seven footnotes will move it back into the mainspace unless you have additional concerns i think it's ready to go also see on cmagha's user page that others have reviewed it positively what are the remaining objections and how do we appeal if there are still objections here is the page spartaz if you need a refresher take it to drv please humbug administrator guidance to editor july copied from spartaz user page the irving article has been noticed on the wikiproject new york page some helpful comments sent back did not receive notice on your g decision we will be asking to move the article back to mainspace shortly thanks for the aid no unless you have addressed the significant issues concerning allegations of misrepresenting sources and the contention that all of the sources are tangential or trivial then this isn't going back into mainspace humbug material for spartaz to review prior to deciding whether to move article to mainspace july comparators in order of less to more evidence sphinx senior society notability based incredibly on primary