i am a little surprised and shocked at the tone of aloan's follow up this is a very large discussion and it would be quite surprising if i had succeeded in noticing and replying to every single edit by every single participant now that i do see aloan's request however i do not feel motivated to add a further elaboration the observation that ghirlandajo has been inflicting disruptive behavior on wikipedians for well over a year is well documented elsewhere and i suspect that aloan is aware of this because he refers to the application for arbitration the observation that giano's accusations were absurd and extremely damaging is almost a truism and i've cited those accusations enough to establish the point for those who are capable of agreement with it the idea that i was somehow involved in a dispute of some kind with either ghirlandajo or giano is something that they have both pushed very hard so i'm not surprised that there are people who believe this to be the case it is however untrue i was only involved to the extent that any good administrator attempts to maintain order on the wiki and prevent other editors from disrupting it for their own endsin this case an apparent vendetta and shrieking campaign against other editors i take no satisfaction in giano's announcement of his departure but nor am i responsible for it he had clearly made up his mind that some of its day to day running was in the hands of people of almost indescribably gross moral turpitude and he did not shrink from stating this opinion at length in the circumstances his departure was inevitable tony sidaway