utc putting it here as it is the same subject matter i suppose i could repeat what i said above but no need to as it's already there any bare link always irritates me nowadays and i have no idea why that is i just think that i'm that used to the fuller cites it's almost like a come down when you see a bare one about the pdf one i do believe that it needs to be archived as far as i'm aware the link from the brickyard is only going to be up for seven days which is fairly certain to not be beneficial in the long run for the article itself but apart from that looks to be alright talk december