bgw i suggest that you have a read of wp civil as for your my parsecboy's or any other nationalities leave them by the door as you come in here we are all wikipedians some are good wikipedians some not so good and some are bad the latter tend to have rather short careers here entirely up to you as to where you want to fit in now let's get back to the subject in hand tge cat has a mention in the bismark article and an article of its own consensus is that this is sufficient