thanks for the detailed rationale to be fair the religious controversy is an interesting side issue as such things so often are but is only a side issue though it was news at the time i share many of the concerns that you have expressed eloquently i was thinking that because of the analysis you have done you are in a good position to create a far shorter simpler and more precise section and insert that into the article the c p refernce will serve unless and until a better one is found to place alongside it i woudl think the book of revelations sets the scene but is not itself a reference whether one includes the extra verbiage about hands is debatable are you up for it