this is where i as one of the erroneiously accused meatpuppets respond just out of interest who do you think this nark is and why is he so motivated to go about doing what he is doing i put this record up in the open for you and them to see because i have no and have had no connection with you nor any of the journal pages and frankly i take offence at being called a meat or sockpuppet of yours when i am not i am sure that you are just or even more upset as being accused of a connection with me when you have none unfortunately though that is the depth of 's lies and the shallowness of 's integrity where he has no grounds he invents them and he is oh so clever at playing wikitricks with all these technical terms and methods i am starting to feel like a jew in nazi germany being hunted down connected to individuals which i have no connection with and their so called crimes and accused of crimes which are not mine and what of he just seems to get off on throwing around his weight whilst avoiding entering into the actually factual discussion for the record and let them love every minute of their persecution syndrome let them avidly copy and paste and make little weblinks to this as they are so good at wikitricks i am a vegan of years or more standing and arguably macdonald of clanranald i became involved in editing the vegan article before you returned to it recently i am entirely responsible for kicking this whole thing off because i refused to let get away with his ridiculous domination of the article and i put in the same category for his anorexic stuff from my point of view my objections are largely literary the article became too bloated and required editing down it is merely meant to be a definition of what vegan is i don't see any point in actually engaging in those that oppose veganism i don't even support vegan's trying to counter counter vegan propaganda on the wiki it is best to keep it short and simple and give a few links so that folks that are interested can go find out more i approached reasonably and got the same sort of response as you did see when started to engage in his revisions without consultation i tried to engage him in reasonable discussion see but he just ignores it fine i showed respect they showed themselves for what they are i find it weird in a way that individuals can become so obsessed by something that they obviously do not love but instead want to demean or destroy and that means you now and are willing to invest so much time and energy into it i could understand it if was a paid employee of the meat industry he says he has professional scientific interest in animal husbandry that would just make him a paid publicist but if he is doing this and attacking you in his own free time i pity him deeply what were you doing all this evening on your computer darling his wee wifie asks him oh i spent hours trying to stomp on vegans on the internet made a really good complaint against one and tried to mess up their article with references to anorexics who think they are vegetarians that's nice