your edits to marcus hahnemann okay examples for the piping of club names check any other football bio page e g theo walcott brian mcbride wayne rooney alan shearer for the formatting of dates in the infobox check the guidelines at template talk infobox football biography you should be using five tildes i e to produce the timestamp for your other edit how does english fa premier league even make sense either call it the english premier league or call it the fa premier league but to call it both in the same sentence is nonsensical please do some research in future before trying to change the style on an article for the piping the convention is meaningless as the name of the club includes the initials the fact that some other articles use your conventions does not mean anything other articles use mine so it is a matter of meaning and i still think mine has more sense for adding the hour and minute of the update of scores i think it is useless but if your template talk says so i do not agree with you english fa premier league makes sense as the league is the fa premier league and guess it is english as regards your suggestion i suggest you to be less arrogant in your messages to other editors particulary when you are wrong