lol we don't want to hear elitist douche who obviously has a disdain for us ip editors to add to your disgraceful manner i for one have found jacks comments very insightful and interesting so i appreciate them and maxis too i doubt this will get through your thick head it's not an insult it's an opinion based on your response but the problem is not the issue itself it's that people like you seem to enjoy whether or not your side gets it right to discuss turn twist and frankly abuse topics like this which is detrimental to the basic goals of wikis in general and wikipedia in particular as john stewart said to two hacks you're hurting us also frankly you're the one being passive aggressive if you're going to give your opinion about someone or even insult them don't beat around the bush you're the one being exactly what passive aggressive entails calling him indirectly ignorant of your the groups rules acting in an elitist and authoritarian manner calling him childish indirectly threatening him with administrative action and so forth i repeat you are a douche