there is no good hand bad hand here that's a total misuse of that concept another attempt to smear me with no grounds whatsoever this is not an alternate persona this is me talking the way i talk trying to resolve an issue with another user the way i would do normally a user i have no prior conflict with or any intention of alarming or harassing in this case however for sound common sense reasons that you two would do well not to feign ignorance of given neither of you are new admins i just don't happen to want to make my other contributions available to all and sundry just because i happened to have decided to try and do that errantx if you want to continue to smear my actions in the most despicable way by trying to paint what were civil polite queries as a pursuit and you want to continue to insult me by insinuating i'm a coward then i guess there's nothing i can do stop you given you've been entrusted with the power to do so but i'll take the fact that neither of you are prepared to detail what part of wp sock i have actually violated or indeed identify which part of wp harass i am supposedly guilty of as evidence that you can't not to mention neither of you seem prepared to present any evidence that malleus himself felt threatened or alarmed by the conversation or had asked me to leave and i had refused to do so i guess you two can live with that i suppose but mark my words if or when there's an arbitration case concerning malleus' conduct then i'll be entering this experience into evidence and adding user errantx and user bwilkins as admin parties to it with questions to answer as to why they chose to block off an attempt at civil discourse with the user who neither requested the communication to stop or said he felt threatened or harassed by it in any way i did have half a mind to try and continue the conversation here if malleus was willing given that there's some simple concluding statements that arise from it that i'd have liked to have seen whether he was happy to sign off on or not but i get the sense that you two would probably block talk page access for some spurious reason whether he was interested in doing so or not i sincerely hope there's nothing deeper than simple admin over reaching going on here but precedent says otherwise with these types of disputes i'm sadly reminded by your actions of several other cases which ended up at arbitration simply because people were unwilling to follow some basic steps like agf indeed the steps outlined in policy so you just content yourselves that you've done something good here and i'll just get back to my main account and do my thing there and we'll see what the future holds for all of us happy trails