dougweller okay i can see that you're not going to respect my wish the attacking was done by samev whether you're ever going to admit it or not as mentioned above he claimed that the italian unification gave italy a king not a president i proved to him that the unification gave italy both he further claimed that spain ruled naples sicily and sardinia during columbus's time and he sent me about five wikipedia articles that he said would prove it and called me ignorant i did not care to look at his articles as he might have changed them deliberately for his own self serving needs so instead i went to wikipedia's italian renaissance article and i found it stated that during the middle ages naples sicily and sadinia were ruled by the arabs and the normans this seemed more on the right track to me on monday i borrowed a book about the italian rennaisance from my local library in truth naples sicily and sardinia were governed mostly by the arabs and the normans during this time spain was involed in it with the normans the norman kings and queens were marrying spanish kings and queens in these parts of italy and future rulers included second and third generation nobles who were born on the italian peninsula all said spain had a bit to do with these parts of italy at that time it's generally accepted that the lion's share of it all belongs to the arabs and the normans samev's gross exaggeration about spain ruling these areas at that time is a sad reminder that people who edit on wikipedia are not always using the exact truth now regarding samev's attacks i was raised in what i believe is the correct way the majority of people agree that calling someone ignorant is offensive and insulting dictionaries often point this out unfortunately there exists a minority of people who with mean spirited intention will call people such names and then hide behind a false angelic face of well meant wisdom i don't buy this type of mentality samev says above that it's no crime to be ignorant well he himself was ignorant when it came to some italian matters on this website i wonder how long it takes to become a rookie like samev himself on wikipedia pertaining to the vernacular i'm not interested in slang or attempts to verify it in the future i like many people will prefer to go to the library and search for a good book on the topic i happen to be interested in this website has that too many cooks spoiling the soup feel to it and in most cases the articles are not accurrate the librarian i spoke to on monday had this to say oh wikipedia it's a joke 'nuff said