thanks one thought that i've had over the last years there after reading a lot of sources and the article itself is that the most informative place to learn about certain aspects particularly comparative ones of libertarianism is on the talk page of the libertarianism article i should add misterdub's faq material that north reverted to that a few years ago there was actually an article in a magazine that said that when we were using a table to try to sort out the various strands and elements and items like the answer that you prepared for me are certainly an example of that north