okay that makes sense it can be assumed younger students are looking up butter and most likely the process in which it is made leading to the vandalism thanks for the info butter alternatives in response to 's request for justification on adding a section on butter alternatives i added statements from and links to scientific studies talking about cardiovascular benefits of substituting other things for butter as well as some layman reports by health authorities which also have published on the concept of butter alternatives i integrated the health history into this new butter alternatives section as well it might be the case that a butter alternatives article should be created independently and that various articles should link to it but even in that case i feel that it is merited to summarize publications on this topic in this article thoughts talk where profits are involved one must be very careful about the claims by and on behalf of competing products we should not be implying that one product needs to be replaced with another listing alternatives without saying why in that part of the article is thus a problem there have been many studies suggesting all sorts of things about butter and its competitors we can report what reliable sources say about it but cannot take a position on the matter also if we imply that butter needs replacing because of alleged problems we really need to apply equivalent standards to the alternatives potential problems have been found with at least some of the alternatives to just list alternatives thereby implying that butter is problematic without mentioning issues with the alternatives is unacceptable it would probably be going too far to list all the issues so i'd suggest leaving the alternatives out i hesitate to take your suggestion to leave the alternatives section out entirely but i would like to respond to your concerns in some way my first thought would be that i could fork this into an article called butter substitution then have the list a health discussion and advice from organizations about doing the substitution about profits there are areas on wikipedia where there is risk of commercial intervention but i do not see unbranded food concepts as being particularly high risk at this time i should mention that i am sharing this information on behalf of consumer reports the united states equivalent of your australian choice australian consumer organisation we publish food and health information from the us government and medical organizations and i came to this butter article because of our own work my organization does have a bias which says that people should consume less fat i would like to make a health claim here that says that health organizations commonly give the advice that people should eat less butter i cited the cochrane collaboration mayo clinic national heart foundation of australia and my own organization as saying this but to go into more detail would be as you said undue how would you feel about my forking this content into its own article putting everything there and then keeping a statement in this article which said something like many health organizations advise that consumers should use less fats in their diet and cooking and eat less butter because of the cardiovascular problems caused by the fat in many people's diets in addition to eating less butter these organizations recommend replacing butter with butter substitutes which are purported to have fewer adverse effects i would also look for information about the health benefits of butter if i can find any sources how does this strike you talk are there no conflicting opinions even scientific ones are your proposed butter alternatives harmless for all people in all situations i want to assume that there at least are defined positions taken by various organizations and associated with various re