liberals btw dave liberal means somthing quite different in much of the wolrd than it does in the us and is usually closer to a us center right conservative the proper insult would be something akin to hard left labourite or socialist not that many from those countries would think of those terms as an insult billcj talk i stand corrected next time i will think up a bloody good insult that means the same to the great unwashed but does not get me thrown off wiki