i've read a lot of wikipedia stuff such as various guidelines no rob has no such obligation to provide an email address i never implied he has such an obligation and he may well be within the guidelines who is to judge anyway i didn't start that discussion and have felt from the start on safer ground by taking the discussion up from the viewpoint of the integrity of science as i explained if the voting system page is only based upon notability and doesn't accept reasoned argumentation as rspeer holds then a scientist would want to see it deleted since it misinforms the general public about the conditions for democracy