let me point out first that you're both falling into a very common pattern here i've seen it a million times in and out of wikipedia when a dispute is right on the verge of being resolved frustrations and grumpinesses start to rise not from the dispute per se but from the kind of mild insulted feeling that's always a part of having a dispute don't let it get ya dgt the isbn is don't worry about a pdf version jeremy wasn't responding to the discussion that we were having directly but just speaking in general i think if we can all hang in with the good faith beliefs for just a little bit more while lee de commercializes the html version we can let this discussion go and move on to bigger and better things ludwigs