claim kshatriya status but generally recognised as shudra this is a claim of consensus claim i see no source which is defining a consensus what these sources are saying is their own view only a source defining a consensus would be saying something like most people think kurmis are s there is no such source besides that the sentence in the article is immensely confusing it does not spell out who regards kurmis as s that should be clear who indians certinly not martians are you serious americans most of them won t happen to know what is kurmi who else academics where do we have a source saying that showing ten sources that talk about kurmis as s and concluding on our own that they are generally regarded as x won t do that is synthesis or then we have to guard against cherry picking too as nameisnotimportant has been indicating cherry picking is one of the major pitfalls of using gbooks even if we do find a non cherry picked clear statement we will have to see if the statement is encyclopedic enough that would mean we need to find the same statement in another encyclopedia to say the same thing in the same way i e near the top of the article i don t really think this can be done by these sources or any other sources imo the statement is best scrapped and replaced by something like recognition recognized by goi as obc it makes no sense to say claim kshatriya status but generally recognised as shudra because they are not s asat i am glad that we now have some fresh users on the talk page and agree that their presence and their suggestions have helped let the discussion take a positive and meaningful turn we have quotes on the page now some degree of willingness to discuss things in a meaningful manner as i have been saying if we want to keep the present sentence we have to come up with a clear non cherry picked encyclopedic quote defining a consensus we don t have it imo there may be other considerations too and i may bring them up if necessary i would suggest that the sentence be changed