ok obi wan you're starting to make me suspicious what do you always ask exactly what i think are the right questions own up either way you did not answer my question directly and i also suspect you know it does this mean that wpo is not useful to you but you did answer it indirectly so you get an even more direct question in return why make it obvious that you know a lot about wikipedia without telling us that you find it useful when you are a very direct person otherwise for one you are calling them out on the most inconvenient of all questions for them if you don't mind i'm going to take this straight to the source wpo peeps what the dealio i've asked people on wp to put up or shut up i've asked the wmf to walk their talk in fact i've staked my rep several times now and i'm not done yet now i'm asking you why don't you stop whining for once and show people you can actually do better on wiki or off obi wan certainly isn't the first to question your self righteous assertions on how to build an online encyclopedia better than wikipedia i for one have been wondering for a while now so let's see what you can do besides making snarky personal comments here's a pot and here's a kettle need i mention what color they are onwards with obi wan's points i don't believe in nasty people deciding anyone is bad nasty etc has only one purpose one can feel better about being bad nasty etc to people they've so judged i don't think this is particularly productive in fact imo it is unbelievably destructive once someone decides or more often others have convinced them that they themselves are bad people we could talk about this more in another thread but we've got to get back on topic here so you know that the wikipediocrats are smart you have spent more time there than you're willing to admit directly i immediately wonder if it's just in reading or in writing too they are indeed among the smartest in the wp community reasoning wise that i've met so far but emotionally less than average how do you think many of these smart m'er f'ers ended up getting indef blocked or banned a lot of them fell from grace not because they weren't an asset to the community but because they didn't seem to know when or they were completely unwilling to stop fighting for what they saw as justice that's one part of the answer many of them are banned or blocked whether rightly so or not from editing on wikipedia also it's normal for someone who has been banished to tell themselves they wish harm on their homeland while still keeping a great emotional investment in it you'll hear the same people spout their disdain for wikipedia almost in the same breath as suggestion to improve it frankly we could speculate about these people's motives and methods til the sun goes down let's be more practical about what is best for wikipedia here what we as a wikipedia community can't do is ignore them away and even if we could we're doing a piss poor job of it because i almost always hear about what's been said on wikipediocracy from a wikipedian before i go to the actual site ultimately i go back to my old standard i don't give a shit where these people come from or what their motives are all's i know is that they are saying something interesting and i appreciate the fact that i don't have to gloss over a bunch of posts that are trying to get them to shut up as i read it obi wan no use playing coy you know exactly what i'm talking about d