reply to herd of swine thank you for clarifying your note and that you do not intend to discount my contributions as it happens i did not come across this article randomly i found it by following a link in an article about a bacteria used to transfer dna for genetic engineering of plants reply in general in regards to including the links it appears that the question has already been discussed in detail and that each side of the debate are pretty much decided in their positions i doubt that anything i could write would change anyone's mind and probably most of the information has already been dug up already it appears to be just a question of waiting for more people to come along and offer their opinions about it to break the tie the posts by levine seem to me to adequately cover the way i understand the situation in particular his or her summary at time stamp '''' so in determining consensus at whatever point in this process that happens my recommendation is that both external links be removed