re my argument thank you that does clear things up unfortunately i'm on my lunch break at the moment and don't have time to give you a proper full response however as soon as i get home am ish pst i'll go over what you've given me in detail and give you something that does justice your post for now i'm going to have to leave it at although i still disagree with a few points i believe that much of what you've said is valid and strong but that it must be reflected by the page in order for the section to hold merit i think that the section would also have to be reorganized to accurately reflect this