thank you for that steve sorry it blew up in your face here's a puzzle i'll leave you all with i never noticed the detail of that other an i thread during the period leading me upto asking for an unblock when i'm openly discussing it with people about the steps i need to take to get unblocked and i know that people are going to be checking my recent history closely i decide to get engaged in some page vandalism with an isp not a specific ip just one that can be linked to a particular isp that can be pointed at as belonging to me right at that time here is a prediction if i come back in six months and start asking again i'll get engaged in vandalism it's a neat trick because it's impossible for me to counter because of course i'm going to say it's not me aren't i well played