why do you think that animal liberation movement is a fringe term it gets google hits why should the lead include the phrase animal rights activists it says activists and this is an article about the animal rights movement so it's probably not referring to anti abortion activists i have no idea what you mean by your research showing etc it sounds like your or we don't need a separate list of activists for reasons that have been explained several times by several people people on both sides of the pro and anti ar divide please provide a source for your standard approach because i genuinely don't know what you mean i didn't give you information from as the citation makes clear there was an edition in do you have a source showing there's a significant number of meat eaters in the ar movement that would be astonishing i don't run the wikiproject and why would it have to be a descendent of any other project we have neutral editors we have pro editors we have anti editors honestly v i don't know what you're trying to achieve but i can't keep responding to these comments talk