it certainly isn't for lack of effort trpod appears more interested in the argument than the betterment of the project as a whole his behaviour borders on wikibullying throwing bits of half understood policies and guidelines at fellow editors in the hopes of marginalizing them in a given discussion and giving the perception of power in order to intimidate i would advise this editor to take his own advice and be cognizant of the fact that wikipedia is a collaboratively edited encyclopedia and as such he is obligated as an editor to obey the civility principles of wikipedia ''''let's talk about it