hey i wasn't intending to be rude but ironic concepts of irony differ between concepts of ironic most users of british english and hiberno english claim that americans don't do irony which was why some modern us comedy shows have shocked europeans by showing that some members do indeed do irony hiberno english which i speak and write is heavily ironic and tongue in cheek that comment was intended in that way i understand ed's desire for uniformity and indeed share it i have been creating formats and styles since i came here my only point is that when someone finds a better way of doing things we shouldn't adopt a mantra of 'against the rules against the rules' but be willing to say 'that's a better way lets see how we can turn it from a once off into something with a wider usage' maybe we should allow a number of variations on the master template and so allow users to opt for one or create a specific template for religious leaders say gerald's one and allow variations for other categories i'm sorry if my sarcasm was mis interpreted it is just a feature of hiberno english what is sometimes called tongue in cheek irish bitchiness apr utc