thanks anthony i didn't get the impression nyb was replying to me despite the placing of his comment i was not talking about the word professionalism but making a tongue in cheek reaction to previous statements about britishers that is why the statement had two layers of wrapping was labelled off topic and had that particular edit summary i have also heard both nyb and you on wikivoices your voice reminded me a little of david eric lothian johnston i should also add that i have family north of the border cheers