i'm out of here i am withdrawing from editing this article for one thing the article needs more npov work than i could possibly do even if there were no other editors to discuss things with more importantly the appearance would be too strong that i am arguing the case or pushing the pov of creationists which i am not instead of the case of wikipedia npov policy which i am please note that my personal beliefs have little to do with the creationists described here i would typecast them as liars and swindlers please deal fairly with the problems i have mentioned editors should be interested in building an encyclopedia not in re enacting in wikipedia a battle being fought outside of it it would be good to see the many infractions of wp npov and its corollaries addressed perhaps i'll be back to see if i can help reach a consensus regarding the points i've already raised talk