faithless of debate egad o damn discography we should be able to come up with a definitive list of commercially released albums and singles let's start with the headings officially released self released singles out of print compilations in print compilations those should be in sentence case do folks agree on those headings i think those sound reasonable i have changed them to sentence case and re added the record covers which were deleted from the discography by jonah i also re added the descriptions of rose's musical style that were deleted without explanation finally i re incorporated a new version of the sentence dealing with racism and antisemitism it makes not direct claims about rose's online work only that it deals with race and religion then i wrote that this has created a series of accusations of racism and antisemitism in various online chat groups while online chat groups are not officially a source the fact remains that these criticisms are out there posted in various places i think that this should satisfy both sp by being npov and ayers by bringing up the issue hope this helps i agree with will let's move on i do wonder at the designations of self released vs officially released at what point does one become the other bone again and elizabethan period were funded by people or companies other than biff and given professional print runs of a few to several thousand they were distributed through non internet indie channels and reviewed in mojo magazine roast beef was pressed using biff's royalties but then it was picked up by a distributor who slapped their own record label's sticker on the cover several thousand were produced and sold hamburger blues was an official release that may have been a smaller print run than some of biff's website releases uncle jesus was a major label album that is harder to find than roast beef the pickwick album was an offical compilation of far seedier origin than some of the indie releases the whole issue of in print vs out of print is a bit difficult to assess as well if copies are sealed stockpiled and available isn't the album still in print my concern with these categories is that they tend to appear at the same times that text changes are made diminishing biff's accomplishments and they seem to be included as part of the intent of that effort if you look at other artists' discographies these distinctions are rarely made for example see sun ra a great many of sun ra's albums were self released including most of the artistic milestones it is a vague and misleading designation why not go for straight chronology and to confirm marcuse's interpretation i was not implying that marcuse initiated a given edit is someone trying to start fights where they ain't the problem here is that you wrote something a line that went unsingned but on closer inspection was found to be added by you but attributed by you to someone esle you then followed this by saying that you agreed with the line very unwiki of you indeed someone is trying to start fights where they ain't wallawe jonah i'm curious what the released on cdr that you keep adding to the discography means what is cdr as far as the self vs officially why don't we just simply put full length releases and combine them in most of these cases cdr is not an accurate designation some of them were glass mastered cds but as i said above i don't think that's too important anyway you claimed to revert back to marcuse but you did not that's a super misleading tag and now i understand what you are referring to that's something i do a lot it's called paragraphs here i'll do one right now here goes the first paragraph was one sentence long and went judiasm is targeted is a really problematic phrase then as i had an additional comment on a different topic i skipped a line kept the same indent and continued i assumed that someone with a minimal level of int