the cherokee comment was a concern because jvm stated as if it were established fact that the person he was talking about had attempted witness tampering extortion and solicitation of murder that's libel if it's not true yet the claim doesn't square with the fact that the person was never charged on such grounds and the drug charges were eventually dismissed i don't think murder for hire extortion or witness tampering would be treated so lightly by federal and state prosecutors in one sentence jvm claims that the plot was uncovered during the trial and just a couple of diffs later he claims that he was involved in arranging a deal resulting in only a permanent injunction against selling peyote can you blame me if i find this farfetched aren't such falsehoods disruptive to wp your comment that his edits related to lds articles are no more pov than the average lds editor's contributions is mind boggling to me your opinion of lds people must be very poor indeed if that's the case and it makes me wonder if i'm not swimming upstream here in trying to raise concerns about jvm do you mistrust my motives because i'm lds would you be as forgiving of jvm's behavior if he were creating articles on anglican teachings about extraterrestrial life or orthodox jew men in black i've approached you with my concerns because you're just ze guy who unblocked jvm you know but now it seems like you're inclined to assume bad faith on my part on little more basis than my religion and granting jvm the benefit of the doubt despite his lengthy history of bad behavior threats disruption and fanciful claims i'm absolutely confident your motives are unimpeachable but do you think you've been consistent in your approach to our conflict maybe you think i'm out to troll jvm or something is that it i am not attacking jvm personally just trying to combat his disruptive behavior meanwhile he posts stuff like this he immediately deleted it but really come on now how much more goodwill does he deserve talk