nihonjoe in my understanding of your role as one of tenmei's mentors approved by the arbitration committee you're supposed to help the air of any discussion between tenmei and others of course if you have concerns about my presentation skills i would be gladly accept your criticism if you leave that comment at my talk page i think your above personalized comment is not very helpful for the discussion as for your assertion of wp otherstuffexists the method is already used by tenmei with the three non english wikipedias i'm bit worried that you don't see that everyone can challenge the trustworthiness of wikipedia projects and as stated wikipedia is not a reference how can you prove that the argument that the title used in the three wikipedias are more neutral and usage of wp english based on what we don't know where each title at each wikipedia follows wikipedia naming convention rules correctly i think the mention of oei invasion is a good comparison for tenemi to see how he treats similar subjects differently also i totally disagree with your view on the tenmei's mentions the non english wikipedias caspian blue