re the deleted photos from mandy hall i noticed that you do not have email activated here right i really would like to find out how the orts permissions in commons works not just for pro photographer mandy hall but for me too since my earlier message is now buried in your archives this is what she had to say about the five photos she attempted to upload this is the comment on the deleted photos looks like collection of promo photos not own work file martin cilia band web jpg file the atlantics web jpg file martin cilia web jpg file martin cilia web jpg file the atlantics jpg i am a professional photographer i was paid both by martin cilia the atlantics to take those photos and they requested that they go up onto wikipedia to replace the outdated ones i own the copyright i guess it's kind of flattering that my photos appear too professional to be my own work i'm happy to supply original files with exif info if needed should i put in a request or just leave it for you to handle she went on to provide all these ways of contacting her and i do know her well enough she was the first photographer i contacted back in who was very generous with allowing the wikipedia to display many of her recent photos she lives in australia mandy hall media m e mandy mandyhall com a po box prahran vic w w will you please help out so we can rectify this situation i use commons just to upload photos and don't really understand the rest of their work thank you so much for your kindness in crazy situations like this i may copy this to my less busy talk page if that helps