i'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you are saying you seem to be intent on invoking no consensus as in me and my buddies will keep on revert warring on this to the end as a way of disrupting this article essentially a version of wp idon'tlikeit as it happens neither wp idon'tlikeit nor consensus the policy explicitly says that consensus cannot be held hostage trumps wp npov and wp rs which are not just policies but also fundamental pillars i didn't say anything about grifith nor tibi for now and i certainly did not say these guys were fringe if that is the meaning of your last non grammatical sentence