here's another nice quote from li from the essentials most fundamentally you all still need to establish your great mighty virtue in the process of shattering the old forces persecution and return to your highest positions so this isn t a matter of reaching consummation in ordinary realms nor is it achievable in ordinary consummation it might seem that you have done what you should do for dafa when actually you are doing it for your comprehensive consummation and return if during this period you cannot do well with what you should do this consummation stage can only be a cultivation process and it cannot fundamentally be a fa rectification disciple s true and final consummation if during the evil s persecution a dafa disciple doesn t do well or slacks off it s very possible all his previous efforts will have been for nothing in other words if you can't live up to the challenge of shattering the old forces's persecution you can't consider yourself a fa rectiication disciple and what distinguishes a fa rectificatrion disiciple from an common ordinary disciple well it's what you do to protect the master's fa against the evil forces isn't it elsewhere the master actually says this is you duty as a practitioner if there any practitioner editor on this site who has the decency and honesty to acknowledge that these teachings are real and important for your salvation olaf can you at least intervene and spare us from another endless series of endless discussions on this topic