how about an rfc then can we try an rfc i'd like to start with a brief neutral statement of the question and have others here respond with one statement each link prior discussions if you like limited to words no rebuttals or arguments then wait for comments from others at least two days before any reactions the neutral question would be should the title of this article be territory of the military commander in serbia or serbia under german occupation or something else consider the prior talk sections above i will not be making a statement myself but i may respond after two days or sooner if others decide not to respect the proposal ok no an rfc while there's an rm going on just list the rm on various noticeboards and an rfc for what exactly if someone wants to move the article let him post an rm that's what its for we'd probably go through the whole annoying song and dance to no effect and where's the sense in having an rm for a move to one title while posting an rfc of all things for a move to another title i'm sure antidiskriminator co will jump at this since for them whatever you their perceived new found ally propose and i oppose must be a good thing but it makes no sense i certainly won't accept any title that has not been agreed upon in a proper rm whatever the outcome of the rfc indeed if any additionally an rfc may not be the most useful and effective means of dr here since the dispute is immensely complex obscure and thoroughly bogged down in misleading rhetorical nonsense a vote on the fly would not be very helpful and would probably be drowned in far more knowledgeable retorts from long time participants talk