thanks i usually read all of a discussion and think about it before replying to any of it we have yet to have any sources that show that brian harvey is an expert or what fields he is an expert in it's rare for an instructor at a university to be tenured and also rare for senior faculty to let them make policy decisions alone without tenured senior faculty's input and approval instructors are usually hired to implement policy set by senior faculty and kept on if they do the specified job well this frees up faculty for other tasks and projects but this is mute see the next point but if you feel you have to in brian harvey's case sources please to show otherwise brian harvey is not what wikipedia refers to as an independent source aka third party source he has used structure and interpretation of computer programs scip at berkeley and has been acknowledged by abelson and sussman in the second edition of scip he is not acknowledged in the first edition took me a little while to find a hardcopy so using him as a reference is a small step from using hal abelson the subject of this biography wikipedia asks that non independent sources be used with care and only when an independent source can not be found the boston globe reference has the same issue in their feature and should not be used as we have an independent source chris haynes and dan friedman are acknowledged in the second edition of scip mitch wand is acknowledged in the first edition of scip so their book has the non independent source problem which leaves us one source that found i'm not going to try and find out if it's an independent source i e who was in the group that decided on giving abelson the award without a reference this sentence with the word worldwide in it fails wp npov it is also unclear what it means how many cs departments what parts of the world etc even with a reference the claim should be in a quote from that reference not in plain text wikipedia prose is suppose to be written in a neutral tone with non neutral text clearly tied to a source wp npov also requires that available wp sources if any that balance out the article on this and other parts of the text be added if you know of one on this point or others please add it to this biography a claim this wide could have other independent sources making it if any one wants to find and add them the laundry list of course materials is trivia that isn't needed in a biography and is distracting to the reader so proposed consensus i propose we change the sentence to this the association for computing machinery notes this course was widely emulated and adopted by colleges around the world and add this as a new paragraph perhaps in a new section awards in abelson received the karl v karlstrom outstanding educator award the citation read for his contribution to computing education through his innovative advances in curricula designed for students pursuing different kinds of computing expertise and for his leadership in the movement for open educational resources '' if this award was published in an acm journal it be better to use the template the karl v karlstrom outstanding educator award has neither an article nor a template it's in over a dozen articles so far create either if you feel it's meets wp n it's possible this reference could be used to c