it's really very difficult to let you down gently because i find myself accused by you of edit warring which i totally reject i understand that you might be doing it to pacify tiamut but it s unfair to do it at my expense if i should speak softly then the above wrong image of me might stick in someone s mind which is unfair to me this version that you are reading is a toned down version of the original if i still hurt you hg then i apologize as my intention is only to clear a wrong image of me in your mind and by extension in the mind of others i'm sorry to say but you're totally off base i'll take it that you haven't followed the sequence of events and are totally unaware of who edited what if you would have checked out the exact sequence of events you couldn't have come to such conclusions and made such comments frankly i am very disappointed in you trying to equate us while my reputation is unblemished and everyone who has followed me here knows that i'm here to add my knowledge on jewish subjects for which i have barely scratched the surface and although i am bold i go out of my way to be fair and uphold the neutrality of wikipedia tiamut on the other hand has one agenda and one agenda only to push a palestinian pov i'm sorry to say but your trying to put her in a good light rings hollow please check out what many other editors have said about her and then tell me if you still think so sorry i cannot sit back and watch you trying to equate us by equating us you are actually smearing my character and exonerating her which is really not fair it seems to me that she cannot do any bad and i cannot do very much good that's the impression i get from your comments here are some things you say which i find incorrect or disturbing the reason i am calm is because i have given up on her given up on the mediators and almost given up on wikipedia only people who think that they can win or accomplish something are passionate in what they do i'll talk straight and pull no punches i made my comment on your page only to show you that tiamut is lying in the belief that maybe you ll open your eyes tiamut hasn't gotten under my skin at all i know what she is up to and want to stop it but if you not you necessarily will try to stop me instead of her then i'll bid all of you good bye and let you have what you deserve i have no softer way of putting it that i just can't take this crap that tiamut thought it reasonable to add nation to the opening paragraph no she knows exactly what she is doing and such comments are what lets her get away with it while tiamut has lost her temper many times i haven't lost my temper even once disappointed yes lost temper no you say that you're surprised that tiamut didn't go to the talk page earlier i wonder why you're surprised don't you see that she first tries to get away with whatever she can then she'll engage in talk with no intention of compromising but to get part of her pushing accepted and put off the rest for another round you say that i started my conversation with a negative touch by its heading of pov pushing my purpose is not anymore to set her straight which i have already given up my purpose is to point out her pov pushing to all of you actually i think that i'm treating her with kid gloves compared to how administrators would have dealt with her if they only wanted to lastly i completely object to your equating us both as edit warring when one side explains but the other side says one thing on the talk page and does something else on the article then the explainer shouldn't be labeled an edit warier simply to be able to play the equation game please get it straight i am an honest editor and she is a pov pusher and the twain doesn't meet she needs to be admonished not mediated you cannot mediate with someone who will only play the game of mediation with no intention of good faith editing her response to you is a game which allows her to do what she wants while she is engages in dilly dallying and in false placation tiamut has learned to play a game with all of you she pretends to engage in discussion but in reality does what she wants and then has the audacity to reverse the sequence of events to make it look as if she thought she was doing the right thing now watch her threaten that she will report me that's also part of her game and if she succeeds then wikipedia doesn t deserve any better it's time to call a spade a spade because otherwise wikipedia will lose its valuable editors and stay with the crap i m really fed up with wikipedia and ready to bid everyone farewell