martha jones hi zythe i don't know how to use this 'talk' business so i hope this message gets to you no hard feelings i'm glad you enjoyed my paper i was made aware of being cited here when i received an angry email from someone arguing with me but actually what they were saying is what i was saying in the paper they had misunderstood my argument based on what was in wikipedia hence the need to make changes i feel totally honoured that you would quote cite me so thank you lindy