secular vs religious i need help neutrality how do you add secularism to word god and to word martyr these words can not be secular word martyr is in many religious texts as we can see in the contents section now just because someone decided to name some people martyr's in some event that happened in time who didn't even die or that did die doesn't make them martyrs even though we call them now this word is used by secular people the word god is used by secular people when they say that god is someone else other than god this is the same problem with this word i need help with these trigger happy undo button pushers suggested by automated program that counts bytes the word martyr means witness yes but we do not mean a witness in court here we mean a witness in religious terms here so there is no room for secularism on this page just as there is no room for athiests on religious pages and religious people on atheists belief's pages