and since those posts are lost in the talk page here's a battle that was fought after the aug date you keep insisting on battle of the palm grove if you check the sources us forces were engaged with insurgents on the ground after iraqi forces requested assistance in particular us spec forces were engaged in combat with insurgents and us air forces flew combat missions and as the nytimes article stated us spec forces have continued to have combat missions in conjunction with iraqi forces so i really don't understand a why aug seems to be so important b what exactly are these forces doing if they're not fighting a war