the best response is no response it seems that every time i try to talk to anybody around here things end up deleted or changed chronic problem at least this time it was actually apparently you who did it nice change are you just going to delete and ignore the people who are trying to get you to see the problems that exist how about fixing the problems your social experiment can't work under the weight of political warfare abuse is rampant the abused have no real recourse gaming the system is too simple and enough people are doing it that it is now part of what is simply required to be here you don't have a creative or collaborative encyclopedia you have a psycholigcal war zone what are you going to do about it my suggestion as an expert in sociology psychology systems theory communications theory and political science is that the problem stems from the sheer quantity of ignorant pov warriors versus the smaller number of available experts and the techniques and tactics that can be employed against reason fact knowledge ot sense i see the same problem larry sanger saw but i know that the solution isn't to become elitist it is instead to create interactions that are meritocratic instead of based in pack psychology and mob or riot group movements logic which is what any serious educational or informational service has to eventually use is the only solution to your problems logic ends most of the tools used by pack psychology ends psychological warfare tactics exposes ignorance and lies and misinformation as well as bad reasoning and levels the playing feild enough so that an expert has a chance to actually confront that mob unless you ban me or i am blocked i'll continue to attempt to talk with you about this problem and it will start to pop up in as many places as i looks like it needs in order to get the attention it deserves avoidance isn't going to solve the problems and to be truthful blocking me is only getting rid of the one thing that could have bailed you out a lucid whos agenda is to help you write the best encylopedia ever who nonetheless understands the facts of the entropy you are experiencing and who knows how to deal with it and what the solutions to those problems are it will be better for you and for everybody concerned if you adress the problems and work with those who are capable of being lucid relevant to those problems to solve those problems unless your goal is to have entropy and pack psychology dominate the world and to be yet one more example of how politics and pack psychology enforce intentional ignorance and doublethink propagandas lets start with square one knowledgable experts ought to be able to as much as float an outline on a talk page without having it deleted by pov warriors whos agenda is to keep the conversation in drama people who are seriously abused by others ought to have realistic and swift recourse regarding that abuse people should not be allowed to stack rfcs with their freinds people should not be allowed to stack votes for deletion with their freinds people should not be allowed to attack others and then cite them for personal attacks if they as much as respond with a simple mirrored reflection of the original attack pov warriors should not have pet rogue admins blocking people on trumped up charges to silence them for making noise about serious abuses wikipedia should not be psychological combat and yet it is since it vanished into the ethers lets recap the more angry and to the point message you failed to answer wikipedia is evil it is host to the same big political groupthink game that goes on in all of the rest of civilization it is a battleground for propaganda warfare a lawless game in which anything can be said as long as its in neutral language even if its a propagandists lie and even if it exists only to dispute a known fact it is a place notable mostly for what it conspicuously lacks there are in general thousands of articles which tell us about as much as a high schooler might and which then devolve into factoids and rhetoric the expertise of depth knowledge is missing no expert would submit themselves to a situation of patent pack psychology informational riot wikipedia is evil and you jimbo wales are the guy who created it maybe you should try some formal logic in the mix maybe this randian environment could use some controls on its chaos vectors maybe even a realistic and functional methodology for dealing with abuse might be in order nice graphic box at the top of the page says to go post at the admin desk funny i tried that and got less than no result abusiveness is rampant and the organiz