first rate capitalisation rif i can see where you're coming from with the capitalisation of first rate et al but we need to work within the mos unless you find a consensus in favour of a change for that reason i'll put a note at wikiships asking people to come and have a look at the discussion at talk first rate there you will find the reasons i believe capitals should not be used laid out clearly in the meantime i feel strongly that the article should continue to reflect the approved usage and i would ask you to keep the wiki correct lower case variant until the discussion is complete on another note the article currently sits at first rate with a hyphen with a redirect from first rate without a hyphen i think we're both in agreement that this should be the other way round and i suggest we move it as soon as the discussion on capitalisation is complete another thing we agree strongly on is the insane use of pennant number as a disambiguation for modern ships fine for us navy but madness for the rn who searches for hms ark royal r i imagine there are only a tiny handful of readers who have any idea what a pennant number is let alone what the pennant number for a particular ship might be shall we make a concerted and long term effort to change the consensus on this particular issue yours