that thread is probably more important than most of us here even realise every post made in that thread hit every nail squarely on the head even i with my famous talent for cynical prose couldn't have said it better makes a valid point above i don't think it will be possible to overturn the election but it's what should be done even my anecdotal suggestion for an election system might have better results one of the problems is getting a decent selection of nominees perhaps there should be a run up to the election where users can nominate and second candidates then let the candidate decide if s he wants to run in the election along with the self noms