alright i am willing to concede that the cia allegations are flimsy at best therefore i will stop the edit warring while you may not consider it too important i think the issue of assange as the founder to be another example of lazy journalism your source for assange as founder of wikleaks was msnbc com i don't necessarily consider msnbc to be a reliable source most of the time corporate news does not do real journalism they copy news from one source or they make stories up it seems to me that the idea of assange as founder is a meme i have never read a quote from assange whereby he states that he founded wikileaks this idea seems to be mostly promulgated by the u s corporate media perhaps to vilify him in the minds of americans so that later he can be lynched this seems like propaganda to me the wikileaks site does not identify assange as the founder where is the evidence thc loadee march utc