ec with moni or that using say dictionary of national biography articles is better than using oxford dictionary of national biography articles because the first is free to everyone and the second is only free to uk library subscribers never mind the year difference in scholarship and the turgid prose and edwardian victorian pov i've seen it argued that we should use the dnb before the odnb it's like competence isn't required to edit merely civility which is so wrong on so many counts it's not even funny i took the latest wikipedia foundation survey today and found it unsettling more questions seemed aimed at how close is editing wp to fb and what would make it cooler more social media etc to you does no one remember we're supposed to be writing an encyclopedia talk