batman no worries about being heavy handed you don't live on the 'net for this long and not get a thick skin i was pissier about it before my coffee but i see the point and it was really just a 'be bold ' attempt that flopped i am glad you understood i didn't mean it in bad faith at least that matters more to me right now i still think it should be it's own article since i think the discussion stands on it's own legs but i cheerfully agree to disagree this from the chick who also thinks nightwing should be renamed 'dick grayson' and grumbles about that a lot paper games i had a road race card game as a young'un that seems vaguely similar it's probably on the other side of the globe though along with most of my comics p