if you'd actually bothered to read the article talk page instead of simply stating 'consensus on talk' doesn't mean a thing to me you might have noticed that theowarner is in fact heavily in favour of trimming this article and has even expressed a desire to see it deleted as to notability point to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and the tag will be removed expeditiously the trouble is that none of us can actually find such significant reliable independent coverage and how is sourcing almost the entire article to craig and his ministry even remotely npov ''talkstalk'' p