thank you majoreditor as for eschoir's sandbox i see no reason to think a private discussion would be more productive than a discussion in a public forum where we know others are observing our attitudes and words and may kindly intervene and help as i hope they will i am not arguing about a footnote i am saying that a statement in the body of the article that questionably attributes something to a source should be followed in the body of the article by the actual text of the source any reason why it should not