now even the discussion attempts to further contextualize and diminish the red army's crimes the red army's crimes remain crimes there is always a context and a reason for any crime committed by anyone what wehrmacht or ss soldiers did or did not do in no way justifies or sufficiently contextualizes away rapes committed against women aged and lower to unfortunately that is what this article in its present form attempts to do on top of that this article about rape gives no voice to the raped and only offers voices of the perpetrators that dismiss the accusations it's rather perverse misogynistic and revisionist a more appropriate balanced and meaningful way to tackle this topic would be to give a straight forward account of the wide spread rapes violence by the red army including accounts from various nazi women victims after that background context should be given to help understand why this happened but never in a way that implies that crimes do not remain crimes in addition a section on soviet russian ways of interpreting handling on the violence rapes would be informative as well in its current form this article does wikipedia a disservice and is yet another example of a biased and amateurish account of history that cements wikipedia's reputation as an unreliable source of information it is only by tackling these types of issues effectively that the wikipedia community can prove it can be a viable source of information re profoundly a historical suggestion contextualizing the supposed crimes as claimed by udibi is not the same thing as diminishing those acts of punishment inflicted on the nazis for murdering people i find his reference to ss paramilitary as soldiers to be deeply disturbing a historical ill informed and suspicious as ss paramilitaries were not soldiers and were not even part of the military while nazi acts of genocide do not in themselves justify rape they make it very understandable why people who assisted in the worst mass murder in history were punished by the surviving victims related the nazis were very popular and had massive support from the population who in turn offered no resistance to the nazi regime he who keeps silent consents these women were therefore active supporters of the holocaust it would not have been difficult for them to fight against the nazis in some way and they should not receive sympathy for not doing so and allowing people to be murdered i really see no problem of revisionism here i recommend that other editors be very wary of this proposal to create a self proclaimed more appropriate balanced and meaningful way to tackle this topic as it may lead us to perpetuating the moral equivalency arguments of covert holocaust deniers i think we also need to consider whether this is not just a case of hundreds of thousands of german women getting lucky with their liberators a view shared by many germans described in the fall of berlin and then telling local nazi leaders or werewolf members that they were raped in a regime where they could not openly have any sort of relationship with russians anonymiss madchen