okay thank you i really do mean that if my recollection is correct then that would be the kindest message that you've ever sent to me although i have seen you write kindly to others you've written many messages to me yet more far more about me and i doubt ever calculating how many times that you've deleted me i do perceive this as a real start have i ever complimented one of your messages previously now as to my original question is there a way to access the original photograph page i do know that frequently those pages would include source data for the other webpages from whence the images had been derived thank you