hello young chap thanks for the info i still believe that when quoting someone and still more when quoting a legal text one should keep the text exactly as it is except for evident typos neither vietnamese nor modern english nor modern french but we write hanoi and saigon use hyphens for vietnamese names but an original text is an original text will you translate de n grier's quotes into jeune de banlieue slang to please the wikipedia thought police will you replace tourane cap padaran poulo c cir de mer etc by modern names will you talk about the ho chi minh city treaties of and use modern english in the text not in the quotes hope you hear my great grandfather making bubbles behind me he is furious that you dare change a text he spent so much time drafting and re drafting to get the nguy n v n t ng scoundrel swallow it pour la plus grande gloire de la france et de sa mission civilisatrice by the way i modified the vietnam part of jules patenotre des noyers no because of the primitive anglo saxon keyboards i will develop the china part later by another way i wonder what is this book you often quote thomazi auguste histoire militaire de l indochine fran aise hanoi i know but i do not have it is too expensive aubert g n ral et pasquier p histoire militaire de l'indochine fran aise des d buts nos jours juillet tablie par des officiers de l'etat major du g n ral de division aubert commandant sup rieur des troupes du groupe de l'indochine hanoi et haiphong juillet vol pp as far as i know thomazi has nothing to do with it by a third way i noticed that your real name appears at the top of your dicussion page by a fourth way liu yongfu is coming slowly i have put the draft on my french page but it disappeared