hey there i will indeed check that book thanks i don't know if this is the case but perhaps a number of wikipedians editing this page have a cantonese background it is probably awfully good to hear something even remotely suggesting that the language was once possibly really close to being the language of use in china even if the statement might be false i suspect that there is some reluctance to admit this and probably some other cultural factors are coming into play here on my part i have no idea at all about this history so i'm quite skeptical of anything until i've read it myself in a journal initially i was a bit weary of your comments as i did find them somewhat overbearing i mean it's not often that one is told of insanities or whatnot d however i'm really glad to see that things have started to settle down now and i'm sure the other wikipedians would agree with me too you're most welcome to edit the page why not give it a try now and take out all the references suggestions in the article that you think should not be there i think we're at a point where everyone is willing to listen and hear everyone out i'll try and help out with the edits as well at worst we can revert however i really don't want an edit war to start here so please everyone be kind with your edits and edit summaries let's give these few edits about cantonese a try so don't be too quick to remove material that doesn't sound right articles are always in construction