effective arguments at afd in general should be positive just state the policy and hope the other people will show good sense as well i try use caution in criticising other's arguments though sometimes i admit i am less cautious than i should be when i feel really frustrated and gaining respect for one's opinions there can be b best obtained by contributing to a range of topics not just those of personal interest and discussing a range of policy questions not just wp not just some friendly advice from someone who tends to feel the same way you do ''''''