thank you i had not seen i probably should have made an effort to find template editnotices group wikipedia arbitration thank you for pointing me in that direction regarding your comment about editors making posts with the sole purpose of discrediting other editors it is a lot easier to be sanguine about it when it isn't happening to you thanks again no worries about discrediting mainly concerned here that this case is about the case not about other editors the case is important enough on its own it might be useful to request a third opinion on black kite or other avenues for dispute resolution