gah the whole thing is a mess ft seems to me to be about as bad as cheesedreams in terms of practical results his insistence that he has some sort of authority over the content of the article as a mediator is especially annoying and now someone else has come in and says that the clearly horrible to those who believe in him jesus opening is better than the according to the gospels jesus one gah at this point i don't even know what to say this seems to be pure process fetishism k nov utc