talk redshift diff oldid you debated it and your opinion prevailed when i asked two more experts who wrote key peer reviewed papers on the same subject they gave their expert opinion and again you claimed that none of the experts answered in the affirmative despite evidence to the contrary and your opinion prevailed sa wrote when you get velikovskians writing articles on the solar system you have accomodated to your detriment i assume scienceapologist is referring to me although the reasoning is not clear i have never written any articles on the solar system someone else perhaps i have written articles on critical ionization velocity double layers dusty plasmas plasmoids and many others without problem scienceapologist has never highlighted where there is an inappropriate velikovskian influence in any of the articles i've contributed to sa wrote devoted idiots will degrade the quality of the encyclopedia until quasars become laser stars the big bang never happened the object of wikipedia is to describe world views and if some people believe the big bang never happened it is our job to describe those views and why and criticism where available we don't have to agree with them sa wrote editors that are ignorant or outright cranks velikovskians devoted idiots lunatic fringe editors woo woo belief editors should base their criticism on actual edits hence editor and not on perceived personalities hope that you reconsider after a break i do too but in the meantime his mini essay should be required reading for the community see also tom harrison's recent statement