actually now that i look back at my talk page i see that you did participate in that discussion and then dropped out without responding to my question at that time if your primary objection now as it was then is that tpm does not meet wp rs then i don't understand the nature of your problem with the source they have a high degree of editorial oversight and they've won prestigious awards for journalism most notably the george polk awards time magazine a pretty non partisan source described them last year as the prototype of what a successful web based news organization is likely to be in the future why then do you consider them to be unreliable or if that is not your current objection can you please articulate the nature of your problem moo