i'm not happy to be classed as 'one of the usual suspects' by you perhaps you could explain exactly what you mean by such comments and who exactly you are referring to a list of these people would be useful rather than a snide general attack it is somewhat ironic that you then go on to accuse editors of being 'snide dismissive or on some sort of high horse' in what appears to be a snide dismissive high horsish kinda way have you considered you might actually be on your own 'high horse' ya know pot kettle black and all that it is more than disappointing that many of your recent contributions to this discussion have appeared to contain a personal element and that you have failed to bring any new points during your many and varied contributions debate the issues not the people