also as a new book that has not been written about it is of questionable value as a real source here the name of a publisher does not seem sufficient as to it being a good source this was removed previously by the team member and author here there are many notable sources for information on organic gardening that can be clicked on and looked at as to information for a reff note monetizing the article with the main contributing editors book does not seem like a good idea especially since the information that it is his book was kept secret or at least not openly discussed on the talk page until that information was discovered mr cross has said freely that he mailed copies of his book to his editing team here on this article the book in question has a purchase price of around usd being rewarded with a high value link to a for profit book does not seem reasonable for editing an article on wikipedia i would be happy to find a mainstream well known and free connector to replace roger spencer's book cross r spencer r this was the previous statement by roger spencer and i think we should stick with not using his book as a ref note in the article i have decided to delete the two references to the book that way some of the current steam might blow away there are a number of reasons firstly i see that they are not as necessary as i once thought when i inserted them i was not aware of another reference that would do the job i wanted that no longer seems the case as has been openly discussed copies of the book were sent to editors of the article skip included because i enjoyed the cameraderie of collaborative editing even when there was the occasional tiff the books were sent out in that spirit there is another interpretation that i was in effect buying support mild bribery this was not the intention but then you only have my word for that i do not receive any royalties from the book but then you only have my word for that too i do not believe any conventions or rules wikipedia or otherwise have been breached in any way etc more text etc in short i am removing the references for everyone's peace and to expedite the completion of the article for assessment not as an acknowledgement of any kind of malpractice end partial quote granitethighs april