good to read your reply i re checked the talk pages i mentioned above and most of the editors posting there are seemingly aligned with rl and rr also mentioned above their edits are unconstructive and unproductive and i don't think they're truly well intentioned the coalescing group i described are honorable and well intentioned and are lead by editor junebug check out his talk page and you'll see the others posting encouragement and offers of help also if you have a chance check out the recent addition to valid criteria under wp pornbio it seems to say that if a porn actor is not notable as a porn actor but is notable outside of porn then he warrants a article as a porn actor i think it's absurd enjoy the rest of your break talk to you soon