about that list of experts above you and voyt were previously talking about irrefutable science and laws of mathematics physics aerodynamics materials' sciences and others you do realize that putin is a kgb monster who eats babies so of course he blew up the plane coming from a self styled authority on terrorism is not hard science don't you i also hope that you understand that this page here is not a place for investigations or research so asking anyone around here to prove someone wrong or posting links to videos and texts for analysis is not very helpful for discussion i don't make any claims regarding the findings of this investigation or put my reputation on the line i'm trying to say that the origin of my ip is irrelevant but i eagerly want to see reputable and independent organizations that do let me stress it organizations themselves and not their members so far it seems that none has even shown any interest in this investigation and that is the problem here that your list doesn't address the investigation and scientific research concerns only the plane crash it is not about how much psychopathic murderer putin is that was the matter politkovskaya or litvinenko dealt with i'm glad you would like to establish an independent international investigation so if you are a u s citizen please sing up the or join one of the organizations demanding that