i think they are more important things you can do to advance wikipedia as spent your whole time to discuss whether a country in one of esc's finnished joint last or second last especially the rankings in this case seem to be disposal of the ebu but we had to accept this it's just a pitty to see how vandals pov pushers and trolls like onceloose how you could see in his comments are able to vandalise articles though undoubtable sources were given and will be supported bei administrators