well yes sorry as a non expert non german speaker like most english speaking wiki readers these two powerful ships as equipped were less than battleships for whatever reason and were not intended to be used as such by the kriegsmarine they were i suggest intended to see off cruiser escorts and destroy convoys to me to call them battleships is confusing they were not the equal of the bismarcks nor even of the kg s they certainly had the capability to be upgraded to proper battleships it was a design feature and i think work did start on the gneisenau i accept that the german term schlachtkreuzer translates directly into battleship so what this is the english language wiki and should convey meaning to english speakers battlecruisers were at a disadvantage to battleships see hood and scharnhorst and to me that's the point perhaps english german understandings of the term have diverged and it's a language issue after all the graf spee scheer and lutzow deutschland have had differing descriptions in english pocket battleship or heavy cruiser and german panzerschiff i had thought that the accepted way forward was to explain the differing views when appropriate lastly i object to the insinuation perhaps not a serious one that because expert comments on one side of the debate are not right here the debates that have been carried on elsewhere above below and elsewhere can be ignored