off hand comment by ludwigs the problem here brangifer and the thing that as an academic annoys me the most is that you are doing something that no scholar would ever do you are starting from a pre defined judgement i e that anything not science is bad and working your way backwards to find supporting evidence for that position one can always find someone reputable somewhere who says what one already believes ufologists do that all the time cherry picking quotes from scientists and government agencies but it's bad scholarship to do so you want so desperately to believe that the scientific community agrees with your radically skeptical position that you're grasping at straws that's not the way things are done ludwigs