that was me i struck it late last night my time at the end of a big edit but didn't want to start this discussion and then sign off it shows up the synthesis nicely eugene compared to you i know nothing about this stuff i came here because it was mentioned at fringe theories and it looked interesting i thought i might learn something i have a moderate level of interest in the early church i've read crossan's essential jesus historical jesus and jesus a revolutionary biography robin lane fox's pagans and christians and the unauthorized version robert miller's ed the complete gospels annotated scholars version funk hoover jesus seminar's the five gospels ian wilson's jesus the evidence a n wilson's jesus michael goulder's a tale of two missions robert eisenman's james the brother of jesus and elaine pagels' gnostic gospels can't lay my hands on it for the date not very closely and a long time ago so my knowledge is general i am relying on you and others for the specialist information that will make this a good article what i have brought here is a critical mind and an understanding of policy honed in editing a few medical articles where precision clarity and neutrality are crucial when i called this article crap the other day i was judging it on those criteria it is not clear and not neutral so i doubt its veracity as will anyone with half a mind who reads it it is a bad article if you want it to be good or featured i recommend you welcome me sv and the many other good editors who come here it could be at ga in two weeks