oh do you mind if i complain here on my talk page that's dumb i suppose since the cvg project is pretty much the governing body for video game related stuff around here there's not much i can do now but it's kind of a bummer for me i'm sure it's a bummer for a lot of people that would have liked to participate in a discussion like that not everyone who is interested in video games myself wants to be part of the cvg project and none of the pages in question had a link to that discussion on their talk pages even though they were directly affected by it