ok cool im calm i welcome other points of view and i am glad to see why people editors either think it should be there or not i put it back meanwhile esp since its actually in the story of hardcore anyhow ok sorry about the sock puppet mentioning in these cases for years this behavior usually has been a sock puppet i will be back in a few hours or less and lets go to the talk page and or encourage others to show what they feel as well as maybe some sources have a great day i got a little aggravated after people for about weeks now changing it when its in fact true and there is a source as well as its mentioned in the u k section at the hardcore punk page see you there