lion again g'day uther hoping you have some time spare i had a quick look online well googled panthera leo nubica is there anything in msw about ''senegalensis nubica and the other subspecies we only have one line on eg differences population anything else notable which could go with a ref am working it up for fa and this would be a great help trying to make the subspp list look a little less 'listy' amazing how often the lion page has been copied across the web when you use google cheers talk contribs