i don't get particularly upset about ad ce and as far as i know you don't either poor chooserr does on the other hand and has been blocked for edit warring a few times but the battle as to when the gospels were written and as to whether jesus really existed is being fought at jesus as well as at historicity of jesus with one of the same editors leading the battle i only came across the dispute quite recently although the article was on my watchlist as a vandalism target this editor insists on writing jesus quotation marks and lower case all over the talk page to make the point that jesus wasn't a real person and for a while he was adding a paragraph saying that there was no evidence that he had ever existed i do recall reading that the agreement was that if articles already had ce they shouldn't be changed to ad and if they had ad they shouldn't be changed to ce i haven't found the relevant page i think the dating of the gospels is more important i have robinson tresmontant and carmignac in the house but have only skimmed through them they as you know argue for an early date i can never work out how reliable brown is supposed to be father peter straviskas whom i trust seems to think highly of him father william most whom i also trusted he's dead now considered him very unreliable going down to dinner now aurelie talk