it's kind of a moot point another point is that as long as we are getting into particulars naturopathic medicine is not a medical system allopathy osteopathy chiropractic even tcm are medical systems naturopathy is a mixture of other medical systems but not its own system for purposes of law a naturopath should have a separate license or certification for every medical system employed so for example if allopathic blood tests or pharmaceuticals are used then a license in allopathic is needed the license specifies that kind of practitioner for that type of practice tcm and chiropractic are licensed in the same way naturopathic doctors seem to be requesting an all inclusive license to practice any kind of medical system that they want naturopaths do specifically have homeopathy as a medical system however homeopathy is nonsense and everybody knows it you would all do yourselves a huge favor if you got rid of that one practice don't bother sending over the studies i've already seen them and if you don't understand what is wrong with those studies then you just proved my point about naturopathic students not coming from serious research programs another thing to keep in mind is that we all know that the medical establishment has problems but that doesn't prove that naturopathy is effective this is a basic logic equation those two things are mutually eclusive the medical establishment doesn't work because of all of the periferal garbage that keeps practitioners from being effective at what they do and not because the medical system itself is ineffective western medicine if highly effective when it is allowed to work unencombered another thought about naturopathy is that you should take some notes from the tcm people they want tcm tested by western scientific standards and the result has been that thier system of medicine has proven itself effective in areas where it has been proven ineffective they are happy to acknowledge it as ineffective if naturopathy did the same then homeopathy would out of the picture almost immediately the difference is that tcm practitioners know that thiers is founded in a belief system that over time has become an effective medical practice and where belief will no longer suffice they are happy to scrap it the result tcm practitioners are licensed at the masters level and the final stages of the omd degree with full licensing nationwide is well underway with support from the medical establishment in fact they will have this licensing while you guys will still be insisting that homeopathy works what's worse is that you guys have been in practice for much longer than tcm has even been in the u s something to think about you have to answer the problem of not having a unique naturopathic system to test as well therein lies the problem of being in a position of requesting an all encompassing license to practice anything and everything the practice has to be defined properly to be licensed and must be disinguishable from other practices it cannot simply be a combination of parts from other licensed practices mike the exercise scientist