final thoughts on this matter my view is that mark and you do not do malicious things to the article if everyone where like you and mark who disagreed with me there would be no problem here any conflict of ideas could be worked out this has not been the case though i know this page like it or not has been like a creationism page with harrassment and other unsavory tactics being employed i would be foolish not to recognize this given what i have experienced now i don't think the anti bsf people who are not like you and mark are likely going to change or don't need to change you may think so you may think they can be worked with i think if they could be worked with they would have to be held more accountable for their actions and this is likely not going to happen given the amount of silence that is occuring the creationism article tells me that wikipedia is not very interested in protecting minority view articles anyways