so you are saying wikipedia i didn't say you although you are the only one opposing knows more about her atual roles than credible news sites why not trhen you inform thme to make corrections you pick out the daily mail which many wikipedians have said is untrustworth how about the guardian and the bbc and once gain i'm not the one puting stuff in info boxes and personally i would like to see a primarly source by miliband himself that says he did not give her that appointment as you yourself mentioned or guessed the labour party link that i found was written by harman herself do you really believe she writes the sutff on the laobur party site or someone on her behalf so where is the official statement by ed miliband that he did not give her that role