removing map the map displayed in this article cannot be defended easily first it appears to be original research and second the western world is not something that can be defined by national boundaries as they are drawn today look at the questions that are raised is istanbul a western city have fun answering that are south african zulus more western than the berbers of morocco or even the peoples of ethiopa good luck on that one too the map be removed in its place i suggest a description of western civilization's founding cultures should be added mesopotamia greece rome and the teuton