a real problem has developed with the references also figure has moved oddly and i can't get it back in place to chzz from howard zimmerman chzz i had just figured out how to deal with references and and got them reasonably set up at least to start but on looking at the article now i see that the references are somehow in trouble and mixed up another problem somehow developed the drawing for figure is oddly placed i've attemted to give it more space but the space is put partially before the caption and the drawing doesn't move left but is oddly to the right chzz i appreciate your wanting to help especially in view of my uncertainty earlier about the referencing but is it possible to get the article back to where it was this morning i had just fixed up references and i realize that i could improve them further but the basic job really was ok i think i can put the rest of the references in all right but i don't know if the article as it waa this morning is archived and can be retrieved if not i can go through the article and see if i can get the right referencing i haven't figured out exactly what went wrong but reference should be to krapcho and bothner by then ref should be to the tetrahedron article and ref to the interscience article after that ref should be the birch and nasipuri article chzz if needed i can go through and experiment with fixing this up but i'm a bit uncertain about how to change the referencing although i can try and i don't know how to move the drawing in figure to be to the left and centered while it was ok originally my attempts to move it back haven't worked thus if the article has been archived and can be gotten back that would be simplest chzz it does appear that i've been the source of too much work for you neverheless please do realize that i appreciate the help best wishes howard howard e zimmerman preceding unsigned comment added by talk contribs nothing is ever lost the history shows all the previous versions and all edits back from when a page was made see wp history and look at the page history i have tried to fix the refs from your description above hopefully it is a bit better now it's probably still not right but considering most of it is correct it might be easier to work from that if you would rather just go back to the version before i edited it today though that's easy enough as explained above or let me know and i'll put it back for you possibly it is easier to fix the existing and refer back to this version re the figure well this is the problem i've been trying to describe if you leave a number of blank lines to space the figures then it might look ok to you but it won't on another persons browser you cannot rely on the text being the same size on their system nor can you expect everyone to use a screen with the same resolution this is a problem with inserting images directly rather than using the thumbnail system two more things to make our lives easier please fix your signature so it stops doing this 'unsigned comments' thing to do that click on 'my preferences' clear anything in the signature box and make sure that the checkbox sign my name exactly as shown is not checked when you make sections here to leave messages could you keep the title short the long titles make it a bit unwieldy in the table of contents etc neither are a huge problem just trying to make things easier hope to hear more soon user talk chzz