march utc it appears ron that you are frustratingly reading my paragraph above as if that is what i want to put in the article when what i want to put in the article is posted on my talk page in one place so that it can be seen without continually being pushed up by discussion my comment above is only explanation sigh here again is what i want to put in the article it's on my talk page sigh not to be confused with shoto meaning short sword confusion about the derivation of shotokan may occur otherwise the kanji for shoto pine waves is the first character is which means pine tree the second character is a kanji variant of which means large wave the kanji for shoto short sword is the first character is meaning small and the second character is meaning blade any literate japanese reader who saw would not mistake it you say that you do not agree with this but you cannot seem to explain what is wrong with it it would make no claim whatsoever when posted in the article to any reasonable person that the short sword story is being told out there even though it is i just don't have it in a book for you so i'm not trying to claim it on wikipedia it can be looked at as preemptively preventing confusion for someone who says he wants to work together you are laying down a lot of conditions i think it is reasonable to say at least not to be confused with shoto meaning short sword the kanji for shoto pine waves is the first character is which means pine tree the second character is a kanji variant of which means large wave the kanji for shoto short sword is the first character is meaning small and the second character is meaning blade any literate japanese reader who saw would not mistake it i think it's reasonable of me to dispute not showing the kanji and it's reasonable of me to dispute not having that first sentence that basically says note that this use of shotodoes not mean short sword if you want to put in that sentence rather than not to be confused with that would be fine with me