ah glad i caught you online in all honesty i can't seem to find it online but the style strongly suggests that s he may have copied it longhand from a textbook or reference book references and all normally i'd agree that something like this would be an afd if not for the user's history s he put a lot of this same rambling text in existing articles as well thanks again for understanding i don't like going against other editors without alerting them to what i plan to do so i'm especially grateful that you were able to get back to me so quickly