thanks for the support grundle no worries i need to get some stuff done anyway the claims of personal attack and harassment are bunk of course but has unfortuntely past experiences suggests he's a decent fellow been quite active along with jehochman in carrying out a reign of censorship against those with opinions they don't share this abusive behavior is damaging to the encyclopedia and is anti intellectualism of the worst kind but not much different the climategate nonsense we've seen dishonest misleading misinformation campaigns like these are very harmful to the pragmatic solutions to protect the environment so it's pretty disheartening that somemthing i'm involved in wikipedia is being abused to this extent the dishonest manipulation of sources the smearing and the bullying cabalism are very discouraging but the world is not a perfect place i smiled at a few of the discussions on your page your good cheer good faith and patience is an inspiration please check with user drmies about the markus article they are both indigineous to alabama and very likely know each very well although i don't know how intimately