i'm not saying they should be excluded i'm saying that their relationship to the subject should be taken into question in this case when the question is whether their related subject should be given more prominence of course they're going to say yes not to mention that the entirety of tuxlie's argument as an example is encyclopedia dramatica still lives and it lives at se how much weight do you think something like that should be given not to mention that two of the ips commented within just a few short hours of zaiger commenting making me concerned about issues of meatpuppetting especially since such things have been quite prominent in the article's past already though i notice now that fences' close is different than i expected he went with bdd's route it appears or somewhat at least serenc