UnbeatableSale | Rakuten: Novelle Umane
Base SKU UBM9781116496093
Request ID: 67829e86be1bd2ea75ec044092d4dc76 ‘Coalition government wants SA to swallow us’ | Sunday Express
Swallows end trophy drought LCS, Leqele dominate netball league Can the candidates stand up and be counted? Matsoso relishes Likuena challenge No LeFA rift: Maliehe Sechaba’s battle for artistes’ welfare Being aware of your emotions Sunday Express - Lesotho's only Sunday paper | News: editor@sundayexpress.co.ls | Advertising: marketing@sundayexpress.co.ls | Telephone: +266 2231 5356 You Are Here: Home » News » Local » ‘Coalition government wants SA to swallow us’ ‘Coalition government wants SA to swallow us’
MASERU — Former premier Pakalitha Mosisili says the coalition government’s push for dual citizenship will effectively result in Lesotho being “incorporated into South Africa” at great cost to Basotho. Mosisili was speaking at his party’s Democratic Congress (DC) rally in Kolonyama constituency on Sunday. He said hardly before the coalition government had settled into office Home Affairs Minister Joang Molapo is already “talking about dual citizenship”.
“Now that they have taken over government power, Home Affairs Minister Joang Molapo is talking dual citizenship and the incorporation of Lesotho into South Africa,” Mosisili said. “I say to Basotho, watch out because there is danger lurking on the horizon.” Dual citizenship is a highly emotive issue among Basotho some of whom also hold South African citizenship. Two years ago, a Lesotho envoy in South Africa angered the then government led by Mosisili when he began lobbying for dual citizenship for Basotho nationals in South Africa.
There was a move to push for the amendment of the constitution to allow dual citizenship for Basotho, many of whom have been at the receiving end of law enforcement agencies in South Africa.
There were allegations that some Basotho who were given IDs before South Africa’s first democratic elections in 1994 were now being denied their right to that country’s citizenship and were being deported to Lesotho illegally.
While Lesotho does not allow dual citizenship, the coalition government is on record as having said it was weighing its options to deal with the issue adding “amending the dual citizenship clause is one of the options on the table”. But Mosisili said the government should tread carefully because Lesotho with its almost two million people will be “swallowed by South Africa”.
“There are 46 million people in South Africa comprising Basotho, Shanganis and Zulus. If we were to allow for dual citizenship, they would swallow us raw because they will also seek Lesotho citizenship,” Mosisili said. “This is one way this nationalist government is intending to hand us over to South Africa. I therefore urge you people to be careful, very careful.”
He added: “I’m not being malicious, I’m only telling the truth as it is. I therefore urge Basotho to be vigilant and seriously scrutinise this dual citizenship issue. Lesotho has been bought with a heavy price, Basotho’s blood which was spilt in the past.” The former premier said he was not surprised that the coalition government made up of the All Basotho Convention (ABC), Lesotho Congress for Democracy (LCD) and the Basotho National Party (BNP) is hell-bent on selling out Lesotho to South Africa because the nationalist movement was established for the sole purpose of helping the colonial masters “to further enslave Basotho”.
“The nationalists do not have any other plan but to torment Basotho. They were established by the whites to stop Ntsu Mokhehle (founder of the Congress movement in Lesotho) and others from emancipating Basotho from slavery,” Mosisili said. “The congress ideology advocated for Lesotho’s independence while the whites were hell-bent on having Lesotho incorporated into South Africa.”
Mosisili added that during the reign of former premier Leabua Jonathan between 1970 and 1986 the nationalists were popular for “expelling Basotho from their jobs in the civil service”.
“Even the nationalists of today continue to expel Basotho from work. In my opinion, the dog has gone back to its vomit,” Mosisili said. Mosisili continued his tirade, saying the ABC and BNP nationalists, with their 35 combined parliamentary seats, could not dream of governing Lesotho until Deputy Prime Minister Mothetjoa Metsing’s Lesotho Congress for Democracy (LCD) joined the nationalists “by combining their own 26 seats to come with 61 seats to govern”.
“There was no way they could have formed government with only 35 seats. The truth of the matter is that the people who brought the nationalists back into government are those of Metsing’s LCD,” Mosisili said. “It’s unfortunate that after suffering at the hands of the Nationalists, our very own congress people give them governance on a silver platter.”
tweet Molapo hits back, says Mosisili playing to the gallery Thabane tells Justice Ramodibedi to go About webmaster Related posts
43 Comments Motshweneng April 27, 2013 at 8:02 pm U lebelletse ho bona ‘muso o
teng o re tlohela re sotlehile
joalo ka uena ha u ne u iphapanyetsa rona.
Ntate Mosisili, re le Basotho, re
tla lula re arohane hofihlela neng,
Lesotho le Foreistata?
Reply nonyana April 28, 2013 at 12:57 am Mohlomphehi Mosisili, ke hona Ntional Party etla ba ‘muso. Ke bomalimalbe hore ebe coalition e kopa topollo ea hau. Uena, Tom le bohle ba nahanang hore le hlalefetse basotho ka ho iphapanyetsa molao oa motheo oa naha le tla le chabela. U bile tona-kholo ea naha ena ka ntle ho molao. U moqhekanyetsitsi feela nako e teng re tla sebetsana le uena.
Ho supa bontja ba hau, u qhekanyetsa sechaba hore u be leparamente, u boele u be tona-kholo ea mehleng, empa u patala ho tsoa mokotleng u le mong. U ntjanyana. Toka eona ka le leng la matsatsi etla phethahala. Ke ‘nete ba bang ba rona ha re e hloke dual citizenship empa uena u e hloka ho re feta.
Reply lengopa April 28, 2013 at 5:31 am Hao Mosisili hao tlohele lipolotiki. O hlokometse hore oena hao mopolotiki manasi ane a leleka masholu a ipitsang macongress ha utsoa eg bandages and atibiotics. O rata haele wena feela o nang le menyetla hohle seee Leabua one a itseba hoba ena ke Mosotho. O hlabisa lihlong rere o tonakholo ea maoba joang ontse o ferekanya sechaba tjee itekole
Reply Moqeqeko April 28, 2013 at 6:35 am Mosisili ho felile ke wena le baetsana ba hao. O mofu ya ka lebitleng hona tjena. Tlohella ho re hlodiya
Reply Motshweneng April 28, 2013 at 10:55 am Ntate Monyane Moleleki o otleloa
melato ea hae ea bobolu, Ntate
Mosisili le eena o ts’oaneloa ke
thupa hobane e ne ele lehaha la
linokoane a tle a tsebe ho koala
molomo o buang haholo ona.
Reply Ngoana-Thebe April 28, 2013 at 12:53 pm Helang? Hona ke mehlolo, Mofu Lekhoaba o iketse balimong a ntse are monna-moholo emong u na le ID ea SA. Joale ha a utloa hore babang lebona baka nna ba e fumana batsebe ho ea ipatlela bophelo bo Sandton manoning koana, joaloka ena o ba mona o se a re ba be very careful. E tlaba lilatha-latha tse mosetseng morao tse sa tlo nka dual citizenship. Rona ba bohlale, re tla e nka dual citizenship eno re je ka mehlare e mmeli joalo ka monnamoholo MCCD. Re re leqe-leqe. Ke nako ea hore reee naheng hobane Freestate ha se tlatla ho rona. Ea lla koto ea khutla naha. Re bona eka Lekhoakhoa le ts’oere pina hantle ke hore feela le potlakise setepe.
Reply Oho! April 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm Nako ea hau le baetsana ba hao khale e ne e fele motho oa Tsoelike! Ke lilemo tse kae o busa? Ele hore uena liphetoho ha se ntho tse u li amohelang? A ko fe ba bang monyetla hle. U sitisa le thato ea Ntate Molimo ho phetahala. Ke u khalemela ka lebitso le matla la Morena Jeso oa Nazareta.
Reply moliko April 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm Ntate mosikili ena feela hae ihlophe,o jele chelete le moleleki joale o batla basotho ba sotlehe lesothong lena le puso ya congress e thefutseng moruo we teng
Reply moleko April 29, 2013 at 6:47 am chehe Pakalitha o ntjanyana ea mokoto ntho e sa khotsofaleng e ka re o khutsana e sa tebeng mma eona le ntata eona sies
Reply Thaba tseka April 29, 2013 at 6:59 am Che hona ke bo selfish hase polotiki tsa bohanyetsi. Ntata lona akere ke dual citizen? Ako nkhopotseng hleng. e be ke lebetse? Kapa ne re thetsoa ha ho ntse hothoe MCCD o na le ID ea SA?
Joale a tla re busa joang e se mosotho? Hase hobane e le moahi oa Lesotho le Africa Boroa? Che u e ts’abe polotiki. E etsa batho ba potang ba tsamaeang ba itoma mohatla.
Reply Khomphoro April 29, 2013 at 7:11 am Hele, kannete hona ke pale e tshomong e buwang ke Mosisili. You have to surrender your ID first and u tle u tsebe ho bua ma…pa ano ao u ntseng u a bua. Kehore le bana ba u setseng morao ke lilathalatha tse fetang. Kannete u tlamehile u soabile monna Mosisili kapa u photholehile. Nxa
Reply kokota April 29, 2013 at 7:37 am Ea pota ngoetsi. What MCCD is saying is utter rubbish
Reply Lihaseng April 29, 2013 at 9:39 am Baheso hle motho ha a le tjena sekeng la mohlapaola mofeng Molimo a mothuse ho sokoloha letla its’ela bomalimabe…..
Rea tseba hore o cho tjena ena a ets’oere DUAL joale o batla ho koalla ba bang monyetla…….kuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply Lerato April 29, 2013 at 2:26 pm Dual citizenship will never exists in this country. Those wishing to be the citizens of South Africa can just go and reside in that country. Lesotho will never be incorporated into South Africa whether coalition like it or not. ANC government can brutalise and oppress Lesotho and Basotho living in Lesotho, this country will never be part of bully South Africa, never! Stupid Basotho will just desire Lesotho to be taken by South Africa and it will never happen in this life and the next life!!!
Reply sekhoto May 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm ngwaneso wa bua jwalo malema o sa shebe di benefit tse tlatla le dual certizenship. mosebetsi e tloba 1 of thing tse Basotho batlong hodi thola, di grant hopefully le good garvnce instant ya di jokes tse tsa mp tsa Lesotho. posting as RSA certizen
Reply Blue Collar April 29, 2013 at 2:27 pm Soka!! Ha e ee mona!!!! Rona re lapile Mosisili…we want less yara-yara and more ching-ching. O hlolehile khutlela hae lepantsula.
Reply Blue Collar April 29, 2013 at 2:28 pm @Lerato…You sound like JuJu.
Reply Lefefooane April 30, 2013 at 6:49 am THE D-DAY FOR LEKHOABA AND MOSISILI: THE COUNTDOWN TO THE JUDGEMENT DAY ON FRIDAY OCTOBER 26 2007
The first skirmishes of Reverend Lekhoaba and the government of Lesotho started on the afternoon of Tuesday February 2007, when Harvest FM suddenly went off air. The supporters of the station soon gathered near the stations residence. The station got back on air the following day after the supporters marched to the PS of communications. But the darling of the station, Reverend Adam Lekhoaba was no more in the country as he had been deported into South Africa.
Monday 21 May 2007. The exiled Reverend Lekhoaba of Harvest FM called to his radio station that morning put the city of Maseru onto a complete surprise. He reported that he was investigating the citizenship of the Cabinet ministers of Lesotho. Among his find outs was that a Mosotho man by the name of Bethuel Pakalitha Mosisili posses a South African ID. He said he was also investigating the properties that are owned by these ministers in South Africa. These were very startling news as Lekhoaba was expelled from Lesotho because the government said he owned a South African ID. Meanwhile Lekhoaba had filed a case against the authorities of Lesotho for having expelled him from Lesotho. That dramatic court battle was scheduled to take place on the 11th of June 2007. Wednesday 23 May 2007. Some judges who were appointed to conduct the coming case of Reverend Lekhoaba apparently were not interested in doing so, because they found the case too sensitive to shake the foundations of the country’s peace. They proposed measures to try to stop the going on of that trial. The courts began their work two hours late on Tuesday 22 May because these judges were on meeting about the issue of Reverend Lekhoaba’s case. The news of the South African ID of the Prime Minister shook the lowlands of Lesotho. The revelation of Mosisili’s South African ID has forced the LCD and the Speaker of parliament to pass a vote of confidence to Mosisili in parliament that was scheduled for Thursday 24 May 2007 but it never materialised.
Reply Lefefooane April 30, 2013 at 7:08 am Mosisili has a south African ID. He is a dual citizen of both Lesotho and South Africa. He enjoys benefits of dual citizenship but as usual he prohibits his fellow followers to enjoy the same. I used to get annoyed during the hey days of LCD to see extremely poor LCD followers singing on LTV and wondered why MCCD is not uplifting them. I was then told that among mccd supporters there is segment whose job is soleley to sing, remain poor and stay in the dark. Bano ke ba hailang. Now I understand. This man continues to perpetuate the same mischeif. He does not want to upliftt his fellow followers. O ba foqa leshano feela ebe ba ea lilietsa.
Mehlolo kannete, motho o ipotsa hore na ka 2010 when Lesotho parliament made that notorious Land Act 2010 which now allowed foregners to get/buy land in Lesotho where were mccd and his followers. They ammended the land act of 19979 which prohibited foreigners to acquire land rights in Lesotho and replaced it with land act of 2010 yet today mccd unashamedly tells his supporters that “there will be influx of foreigners” if we allow dual citizenship. Porr mccd has south african ID but ha ana le litlhong tsa hore Mapotona a e hane. Rona re batla dual ntate. Otherwise put the whole thing for a national referundum then we see what Basotho say.
Reply Lefefooane April 30, 2013 at 7:20 am This stance of DC is once again alienating it from the voters. All our diaspora want in RSA want dual citizenship so that RSA police stop harassing and deporting to LEsotho. We the ABC will go campaign and tell them that we need to pass dual citizenship for their benefit. The we will get all the votes of migrant workers from miners to basali ba makicheneng. Those migrant workers will not vote DC because of its selfish stance. All people along the border towns of Maseru, Mafeteng, Maputsoe, Mokhotlong, Qachasnek, and some parts of Thaba Tseka want dual citizernship. Infact Bo Ramatekoane boohle ba ea Natala ba batla Dual. Now this clueles DC gets disenfranchised from the rural vote whose majority of families survive on remittances send home from the diaspora in RSA. Hantle lipolotiki o ne a ithutela tsona kae motho eo. Hana le re ke Professor ea lipolotiki. I want to know where and hhow mccd got his professorship in political science. He seems to miss the very fundemental concepts of politics. Lona mapotona, ntjoetseng hore na professor ena ea lona e fumane professorship ea lipolitiki kae? Ha ke eso bone disaster e tjena ea professor , khilik!!! Ntsu Mokhehle left him with a very strong LCD, but in just 15 years the poor professor mccd had destroyed and ruined LCD. He ea maonatso professor. O ne a qete LCD eo a e fumaneng e le lefa ka botjena bona ba hae. MCCD is anti development and anti human progress. Period.
Reply Blue Collar April 30, 2013 at 9:28 am @Lefefooane…Leha o ka shoa o kutse ngoan’a mosotho
Reply shakur April 30, 2013 at 9:49 am Hantle retla bintsoa pin`a ts`oene hofehlela neng ke bo-ntate baa ba hlotsoeng ho atresa litaba tse amang Basotho directly?Ha ke batle dual citizenship feela ese ele issue mapatlelong a lipolotiki hoo ha motho haa felloa ke mabaka a seng ae bina a batle re e arabe.Ha ele re-Npakazitha a phomole ka khotso hle a tlohele meharo!!!Ke neng a busa?Haa khotsofale a sentse ha kaale?O tseba bohlokoa eona hobane ona le ID.
Reply kholu-Mpokeleng April 30, 2013 at 11:20 am mofuta oa batho babats’o ke baloi le balotsana coz bare tjako-peli haba ebatle empa haoka etsa research motseng moo ophelang na ke maqheku le maqhekoana amakae akholang pei ea RSA oka maka,neke bolella babang ba ma DC hore le rona re batla pei eno,ma potoana balotsana le ntata bona cozz ona le ID joale ontsa bua ntho tse sa utloahaleng,ka 1998 BNP ,BCP le omong oa mekha elutse Palaceng ho tseoa ka bona ka jeno ke BETHUELE LE mahlahana a hae ba hlanya ba hlantsoa ke sephetho,likhetho halina lefa
Reply Ntoko April 30, 2013 at 11:48 am @nonyana
BNP eona e kekebe ea busa ele ‘ngoe hohang fela teng hle naheng ena. Litaba tse arohanyang sechaba hoea pele re ntse re li utloa ka mane ka Home Affairs ka moo letona le reng le hira le ho promota batho ka likarete tsa BNP hobane ke khale macongress a ja, ‘me le eena o fa manasi monyetla oa hore a je. Nahana ha u tsoa sekolong u na le liqualification tse hlokoang ebe letona lere u keba hiroa kapa hona ho promotoa ha u sena karete ea BNP. Hana u tla thaba u lilietse hobane joale ke letona la coalition? BNP e sa tsoelapele hore utloisa bohloko kaha ha eso sokolohe ho khetholleng Basotho joaloka pusong eane ea bona e mpe. Re mpanna ra tenoa ke ona macongress ana a ratang ho tseka litulo hobane bonyane re ne re ntse re shortlistoa re promotoa, eseng BNP ena e hanang ha bana ba Basotho ba se ba tsoa assessmenteng bakeng sa position, ebe ba lata basali le banna ba ntseng ba koenehela mekha ea bona koana hore ba tle ba tlo ba fa liposition ebile ba sa qualifye hohang. Phooooaaaa! Re bona BNP le ABC li hatile liposition bare ba li beetse batho ba bona, FELA BANA BA bASOTHO BA ntse ba le teng mesebetsing mona. Hana batho ba bona ke bafe? Ba nkileng likarete ka boikaketsi kaha ba nkile likarete tsa liparty tsa Lesotho kaofela hore ba tsebe ho khohlela ka ‘musong o busang ka nako eo? Hana Basotho ba bangatahali baa bona haba khetha? Ho khethile lequloana lee le ts’oereng likarete fela Lesotho moo? Re utloile hore Home Affairs le bo Tourism bana ba Basotho baa koteloa, ba nts’oa shortlisting ho kenngoa bana ba famolang libokeng koana leha ba sena letho le pampiri ea thuto. Che hee Basotho ke ntholisele. Joale ebe ha BNP e se e busa ele ‘ngoe ebe naha ee ekaba joang banna? E ka boela morao hoo ka baka la bokhopo boo ma-BNP a leng bona. Puso ba le bang ba tla e bona ka teeng. Ba tla lula ba kena pusong ka setlamo eseng ba le bang le khale.
Reply Ntoko April 30, 2013 at 11:58 am Hahaha, Basotho baa ba tsietsing ea dual le RSA citizenship, haba tlohelle boahi ba Lesotho keng ba ikele hoea RSA eo ea bona ebe masouth Africa joalokaha ba batla? Basotho haba iketsetse mesebetsi naheng ea bona ba emellane le ho tena naha e ‘ngoe joalokaha eka ke molato oa eona hore ebe ba futsanehile? Tsamaeang le eo phela RSA eo ea lona koana le re siee Lesotho hleng. Ha ho dual ea letho e tlaba teng Lesotho mona le khale. Tsamaeang le eo re matlola terata ano a lefe citizenship eno ea bona eo le e khaletseng re tsebe ho bona hore na le tla ba barui joalokaha le nahana. Hee Basotho ke liphoqo-phoqo tse fetang le tse tsoang liqenqhe. Phooooo!
Reply Lefefooane April 30, 2013 at 2:55 pm ID number ea Mccd ke ena:
This man has an RSA ID number 4503145494182 yet he claims that RSA will swallow us if we also acquire them. Why didn’t RSA swallow us after he(mccd) got the 4503145494182 ID? I hate cheap politics. We should by now be debating real issues vis aviz mashano a kang ana a batho ba baholo. He knows very well that he is lying. His only fear is that he does not want more Basotho being empowered lest they cease to sing praise songs for him. Remember mccd has taught Mapotoana that he is irreplacable, that is why he can’t give Mahaltere chance to lead. Nxa.
Reply Mike May 1, 2013 at 5:50 am It is very sad when people who claim to be in the know are so shallow. People must do thorough research before they open their mouths. IDs in South Africa are categorised as follows: for people who are SA citizens by birth and descent, they are allocated a different number (0) at the end than those who have beeen naturalised (8) and those who are on a permanent residence status (2). In the most published number of Mosisili, Basotho should note that his number ends with a 2. This means that after working as a documented resident in South Africa for over 5 years, he QUALIFEID (was eligible) to apply for PRS. In that way he does not have certain rights similar to the two groups. He cannot vote or be voted for.
I have always wondered why it does not bother those who consider themselves as elites to realise that even at the hype of fighting Mosisili the issue of his citizenship never arose.
Its very sad to follow debates by people whose basis for arguments is hatred, deceit and lies. Instead of addressing critical issues whereby a person who has been naturalised (has full rights in South Africa) because his mother is a South African , has a company operating throughout South Africa, and chose to elevate his status to that of a CITIZEN in order to compete freely in the economic space of South Africa, they say Mosisili is ‘ hell bent to keep Basotho in the dark ages’. This South African citizen has taken oath of allegiance in South Africa but is a MINISTER in Lesotho! When he drags Basotho to dual citizenship in order to justify and legalise this hillarious and abhorrable act, some people find this in order. What a disgrace!
Reply Mike May 1, 2013 at 6:44 am You will note that I deliberately left out matters that are not completely relevant to the point in issue. These include the first six digits and the rest. If you are interested in how the SA id is made up of you can do your own research. Enjoy the ride into scholarly research and not mere political rhetorics which will not develop the country but serve petty bourgeoisie and political fanatics.
Reply Mike May 1, 2013 at 6:52 am Sorry. Actually, the citizenship number is the 11th digit.
Reply semenekane May 2, 2013 at 12:10 am Bro Mosisili ha uena u ena le I’d ea RSA hape e ka nna eaba u nale ea naha e ngoe hape, taba ea dual citizenship e u ts’oenya ka eng? Kapa lintho li ntle ha li etsoa ke uena feela?. Hape taba ea dual citizen ship e tomehile pusong ea hau, joale u lebelletse eng?
U busitse Lesotho ka bobolu ka nako e telele hape u ipokelletse ka moruo le bao u khemang le bona empa hona le Basotho ba phelang ka bofuma. Khidik! Ha u na lihlong oa tseba
Reply Lefefooane May 2, 2013 at 9:05 am @Mike, The Mosisili ID Number 4503145494182. matter refers. I have a number of issues to submit:
1. Kea qaboha, the way you are at pains having to justify why it is proper for mccd to have the RSA id while he denies us to heve them.
2. It does not matter which category, if any at all, mccd ID belongs. The fact of the matter is that mccd has RSA ID number 4503145494182. Period. He has the green bar coded RSA ID.
3. In any case, the only thing that Mosisili cannot do is to seek to be South African president, otherwise he enjoys ALL the benefits any RSA citizen enjoys. Mosisili o mpa a ke ke a ba presitent ea RSA. Ke phetho. That is the only difference. In any case even if he would love to be RSA president he would not make it because he is a weak leader. Ke moatapele ea bolileng ea selehe ea phelisang sechaba le balateli ba hae ka tlala le leshano.
Reply Lefefooane May 2, 2013 at 9:31 am Very selfish indeed. Mosisili o na le ID ea Afrika Borwa ha a qeta o re rona re e hane? This is the worst form of selfishness I have ever come across. Nxa. Basotho ba lula habohloko Afrika Borwa joale Mosisili o thabile hoba ha a batle Basotho. Mosisili o lihile moruo oa lesotho ka ho rekisa likhoebo tsooohle tsa sechaba ka leanao la hae la Privatization and now he denies Basotho any last opportunity of trying to find food in RSA. This is guy is selfish mann, nxa.
Reply seripitla May 2, 2013 at 11:25 am @Mike……and your point is?
Reply Lefefooane May 2, 2013 at 1:42 pm According to the South African Home Affairs, the man Pakalitha Bethuel Mosisili (ID Number 4503145494182) was born on 14 March 1945. The same RSA home Affairs tells us that the male person Pakalita Bethuel Mosisili (ID Number 4503145494182) got married on 30 June 1972.
Now re utloe nyoe noye nyoe ea hore motho enoa ha ana ID ea RSA ebile rona RSA e tla re koenya ha re ka leka ho batla li ID. Ke hore monna enoa o tsosa Limphophotha tsa Mapotoana joalo ka ha ngoana a tsosoa ka koko busiu. Kannete ke lehlohonolo ke seng le potoana. Otherwise I would not tolerate these half truths and gabbage by Bethuel. In fact entse ele hantle hore batho bang bang ke ma ABC ha ba bang ele Mopotoana. I would surely not mingle le mosali ea ipitsang Kolomota. Sure enough I belong to a different group that than that of Bo Kolomota and Molise Tseole.
Reply Letlama May 2, 2013 at 2:34 pm I really do not understand why the dual citizenship proposal is such a big issue, most developed countries provide the facility and never scared of being swallowed by others. I know many RSA citizens concomittantly enjoying the benefits of Britian without any threat of the above. I reckon that the current government educate people on dual citizenship to a point where they would see through misguidance of political opportunists of the likes of MCCD. Make your personal assignment you reading here to carry the message to your grannies and everybody else naive to be misled likhomo basotho.
Reply Mike May 2, 2013 at 5:10 pm You can lead horse to water but you cannot make it drink. I was merely giving people a free ride to free education. By the way I have issues about Mosisili’s inadequacies cum incompetencies. I just thought I should redirect the debate to more salient issues which the response(s) on my input have failed to address. One free ride before I degenerate to being a member in the world of CHARLATANS : All these types of iIDs are green and bar coded. ual citizenship will NOT benefit the low sectors of society as some people would want to make us believe. Only the elite, with skills to export to foreign countries qualify (and will continue to qualify) for DOCUMENTED stay in foreign countries. This excludes groups such as factory workers and domestic workers.
@Siripitla point here is: there are people who have TAKEN AN OATH OF ALLEGIANCE IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHO HOLD SENIOR and key POSITIONS in our country.
Reply Mike May 2, 2013 at 5:23 pm @Siripitla continued: Nothing and nobody says anything about them. A PERMANENT RESIDENT DOES NOT TAKE AN OATH OF ALLEGIANCE IN ANOTHER country. That oath is taken by people who have ELEVATED THEIR STATUS from PRS to CITIZENSHIP. Issues with Mosisili SHOULD NOT DERAIL the people fromthe real challenges facing the country and how to resolve them. I wish to concluding by all proponents of dual citizenship to CONSIDER the country’s position and history. Anything else might result in undesirable results….supposing people are driving another agenda – incoporation. Something that peoplemust come out square and clean and let the nation have a robust and informed debate on the matter.
Reply Buy Dady all online beats by dre sale site of which require a 9-dimensional vector (3 wire) changes very complicated Buy Dady May 3, 2013 at 7:43 am ‘Coalition government wants SA to swallow us’ | Sunday Express
Reply Lefefooane May 3, 2013 at 8:04 am @Mike, while you seem to be so obsessed with educating people about RSA id’s why then don’t you educate mccd to stop misleading his flock that dual citizenship is tantamount to “being swallowed up”. Why aren’t you giving us examples of countries that got “swallowed up” because of dual citizenship? I have never known any territory that got swallowed up simply because its inhabitants had dual citizenship. Taba ena ke leshano le mpipi leo moetapele enoa ea nag le ID ea RSA a le joetsang linku tse mo latetseng. In fact by now we should be debating the pros and cons of dual citizenship had we not been intruded by mccd.
Reply Thuto May 3, 2013 at 8:56 am Mike, my advice to you is that YOU SHOULD NOT grace these charlatans with a response. Why on earth would anybody afford to ignore factual arguments you have raised above. How many countries in the world are surrounded by ONE country? These people must simply wake up and smell the coffee. Shame on our so called ‘elites’ who are simply driven by emotions. Our youth should do themselves a Cavour and stop ‘bickering’ about issues they have neither researched nor ready to learn from those who bother to do their ground work before they open their mouths.
Reply lofo May 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm The points raised by both Mike and Lefefoone are important. It is good to know about the different categories of IDs, it is equally important to point out that Mosisili and his children have IDs. It is misleading to say dual citizenship will lead to RSA swallowing Lesotho. Dual citizenship law will not only pertain to RSA and Lesotho only but to any other country that Lesotho citizen wants to acquire citizen status and that particular country has laws permitting such status. We may even go further to allow multiple status. Scare tactics only serves to keep Basotho captive voters for the likes of Mosisili. @ Mike, a lot of Basotho are getting educated evry year and are graduating in droves from higher education institutions. They need opportunities in the region, the world and in RSA. RSA has given the miners IDs, how low can one go? So your theory cannot stand. Do you feel safer with educated unemployed? Geographical situation between Lesotho and RSA makes it even more imperative to have this dual co-existence, apart from that, dual citizenship is applied for, so there will be no large numbers streaming into Lesotho to overwhelm you and Mosisili, This backward and self-centered approach by Mosisili and his ilk smacks of hypocrisy because it is a well known fact that many of his colleagues and their family members have RSA IDs. All of us want freedom of movement and the ability to make anywhere on the planet, and people like Mosisili are bent on denying Basotho those opportunities through outdated constitution. If you love your people let them have freedom to choose. Basotho will never leave Lesotho, but rest assured that Basotho in RSA that you want to deny the freedom, are the same Basotho that you expect to come home to vote for you Tau-ea-Thaba.
Mofokeng please stop playing cheap politics. You stayed in the Bantustans but still came back home to Lesotho with your ID, you made your choice, now you think others are not capable of making tha same choice? Stop insulting our intelligence. Basotho ha se bana. Lets open the the opportunities to all.
Reply Mike May 4, 2013 at 7:09 pm Thuto, ha ke sa tla its’oenya ho araba litaba tsa mofuta oona kaha motho ha u sa lilielletse litaba tsa bona tsa mahloeo, u leka hore ho ke ho buuoe taba, batho ba u fets’eola ka mahlapa. Ha ho moo litabeng tsa ka ke itseng daul citizenship ke taba ea RSA feela. Ke bile ke sebelisitse lentsoe foreign country(ies). Ke mpile ka etsa mohlala ka eona hobane ho buuoe ka eona litabeng. Taba ea litala-tile tsa basothoba rutehang, ha ke so be le khang. Ke mpile ka re batho ba rutehileng ke bona ba tla khola litholoana tse molemo kaha ba na le litsebo tseo ba ka li rekisetsang linaha tse ling. Batho ba mine litaba tsa bona lia tsebahala….ke buile ka ho khetholoha ka basebetsi ba malapeng le lifeme.
Haeba ho ntse ho ena le motho ea ntseng a bua ka freedom of movement(1995) e seng e ne e nkeloe sebaka ke faciltation of movement (1997) kea felloa! Motho a ikhetehla ho iphapanyetsa litaba tseo ke li buileng ha ho thuse ho tsoela pele. Koana kea bona e ka ‘na ea ba ho hong ke bothataba puo. Ea khaola ea ea!
Reply xxxx May 4, 2013 at 8:31 pm H