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06-14-2005, 04:48 AM #201
Black gun owners to march in Joburg
Black gun owners will march to Gauteng premier Mbhazima Shilowa's office on Tuesday to hand over a document detailing why they should own firearms, their association said.
The document would be handed to Shilowa at 11am on Tuesday, the Black Gun Owners Association (BGOA) said on Monday.
"Black gun owners need firearms for self-defence and are being refused all of their licences without compensation," the BGOA said in a statement.
"Black gun owners demand that the state president intervene in the running of the Central Firearms Registry to ensure proper service delivery and that people who are law abiding get their licences quickly so they can defend themselves."
The BGOA said the Firearms Control Act was used to discriminate against black people.
"...They cannot get licences quickly enough and they cannot afford to pay for the full costs of doing the training, buying a safe and then waiting to be refused a licence for up to a year," the BGOA said.
"If the state president does not intervene in the process and make it easier for black gun owners to get licences and to renew their licences, black gun owners will be told not to re-licence heir firearms and to reject the Firearms Control Act
06-14-2005, 08:53 AM #202
Polisie kry 17 000 appèlle ná wapenlisensies se afwys
PRETORIA. - Die polisie het tot dusver meer as 17 000 appèlle ontvang teen die afkeuring van hul aansoeke om vuurwapenlisensies.
Dir. Phuti Setati, hoof van die kommunikasie-afdeling van die polisie, het gesê die appèlraad het sedert sy werksaamhede begin het tot aan die einde van Mei, nagenoeg 3 005 van die appèlle afgehandel. In 371 gevalle is die besluit om 'n lisensie af te keur, tersyde gestel.
"Ek moet beklemtoon dat die appèlraad die vermoë het om al die appèlle wat tot dusver ingedien is, af te handel. Elke saak word na verdienste beoordeel, dus wissel die tydperk wat dit neem om 'n appèl af te handel," het Setati gesê.
Hy het 'n gebrek aan motivering en misdade as die grootste rede aangevoer waarom vuurwapenlisensies afgekeur word. Aansoekers dien nie genoeg motivering en ondersteunende dokumente in om hul behoefte aan 'n spesifieke vuurwapen te regverdig nie, het hy gesê.
'n Gefrustreerde polisielid meen egter die besluit om sy aansoek om 'n lisensie vir 'n jaggeweer af te keur, is absurd. "As ek my vrou wou doodskiet, het ek toegang tot van 'n ligte masjiengeweer tot 'n handgranaat. Die lisensie vir die geweer waarmee ek wil jag, is afgekeur omdat daar nie genoeg motivering was nie," het die lid gesê.
"Ek wil jag. Wat se motivering wil hulle nóg hê? Moet ek met my 9 mm- pistool gaan jag? Ek sal maar 'n mes skerp maak en in die bosse moet gaan wegkruip om die bok dood te steek. Ek dink nie die mense wat die aansoeke hanteer, lees dit eers behoorlik deur nie," het hy gesê.
Hy het reeds teen die afkeuring van sy lisensie geappèlleer.
Setati het gesê sou 'n vuurwapeneienaar se lisensie verval terwyl dit deur die appèlraad ondersoek word, is die eienaar nie aan 'n misdryf skuldig nie. Die lisensie bly geldig totdat die appèlaansoek afgehandel is. Tot 30 Mei vanjaar is 4 922 aansoeke vir die hernuwing van lisensies ontvang. Die appèlraad ontvang nie dié aansoeke nie, maar het die bevoegdheid om weierings of hernuwings van lisensies te oorweeg.
06-16-2005, 10:01 AM #203
Frustrated gun owners lay down law with premier over licences
Johannesburg – A group of gun owners and gun shop owners demanded that police grant them firearm licences in a memorandum handed to the office of Gauteng Premier Mbhazima Shilowa.
“We have given them three weeks to respond. If they don’t, we will go and collect our guns from the shops with or without licences,” said Abios Khoele, president of the Black Gun Owners’ Association, on Tuesday.
Guns are held at the shops after they are bought, until the necessary paperwork is done .
The memorandum read that black gun owners were “sick and tired of the lies” from Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula about their guns. “Black gun owners need firearms for self-defence and are being refused all of their licences without compensation,” he said.
Paul Trollit, owner of a shop on the East Rand, said people were being turned down for many reasons, including their job description – one a teacher.
Trollit said police were sitting on 20 000 appeals that would take 18 months to process.
Trollit said most gun shops supported the gun owners because the new Firearms Control Act could put them out of business.
06-18-2005, 06:25 AM #204
Ondersoek nou omstrede wapentransaksie - DA
KAAPSTAD. - Die DA het opnuut 'n kommissie van ondersoek na die regering se omstrede wapentransaksie aangevra, blyk uit die nuutste uitgawe van SA Vandag .
Hoewel die DA pres. Thabo Mbeki loof vir sy besluit om mnr. Jacob Zuma, voormalige adjunkpresident, af te dank, glo hy die wapentransaksie moet nou bekyk word.
Mnr. Tony Leon, DA-leier, reken die korrupte verhouding tussen Zuma en die veroordeelde mnr. Schabir Shaik, sy gewese finansiële raadgewer, is net die oortjies van die seekoei.
"Die wapentransaksie dien as grondslag vir die Zuma-sage, en is 'n sweer in die politieke bestel ," sê Leon.
Mbeki is oënskynlik vasbeslote om nog ondersoeke na die wapentransaksie te vermy, skryf Leon. In sy toespraak op 14 Junie het Mbeki trouens die mening van die gesamentlike ondersoekspan na die strategiese wapenaankope herhaal dat "geen getuienis van enige onbehoorlike of onwettige optrede deur die regering gevind is nie".
Mbeki het ook 'n onderskeid tussen die primêre en sekondêre wapenkontrakte getref en gesê daar was miskien "enkele swakhede in die verkrygingsproses" wat die sekondêre kontrakte betref, maar dat die besluite rakende die primêre kontrakte bo verdenking is.
Leon sê daar is drie kerngebreke in Mbeki se betoog. Eerstens het die kabinet die verslag van dié ondersoekspan geredigeer.
Tweedens word 'n "vals onderskeid" tussen primêre en sekondêre kontrakte getref. "Dié onderskeid misluk veral wat betref African Defence Systems (ADS), die maatskappy midde-in korrupsie in die Shaik-verhoor. "
Derdens het die presidensie toegesien dat regter Willem Heath se spesiale ondersoekeenheid nie die wapentransaksies ondersoek nie.
Die verslag van die gesamentlike ondersoekspan stel dit dat mnr. Chippy Shaik, die regering se hoofaankoper by die wapenskandaal, hom nie genoegsaam onttrek het toe die toekenning van kontrakte bespreek is nie. Die "skreiendste voorbeeld" was toe sy broer Schabir se bod vir só 'n kontrak deur indirekte aandeelhouding in African Defence Systems (ADS) ter sprake gekom het, sê Leon. ADS het by die regering se wapentransaksie baat gevind .
Volgens Leon besit die DA 'n afskrif van 'n gekodeerde faks van een van die bieërs in die wapenverkryging wat lui: "Dit lyk asof die persoon wat vir die kortlys verantwoordelik is (Chippy Shaik) seker is dat die kontrak vir die gevegsuites outomaties na ADS sal gaan."
Luidens dié faks het Chippy Shaik oënskynlik "nie net agter geslote deure met die bieërs sake gedoen nie, maar was hy ook bevooroordeeld oor sy broer se bod", meen Leon.
06-18-2005, 07:25 AM #205
Even if the number does increase substantially by the end of the amnesty period I doubt it will make a real dent in the number of unlicensed guns floating around the country. In 2000 the Minister for Safety & Security estimated that there were between 500 000 and 1 million unlicensed firearms in South Africa - bearing in mind that government is probably under-reporting.
06-19-2005, 05:12 AM #206
Minister oortree dalk vuurwapenwet
Sien jou in die hof, minister. Dit is die boodskap van Pieter Groenewald, VF Plus-LP en die party se woordvoerder oor veiligheid en sekuriteit, aan Charles Nqakula, minister van veiligheid en sekuriteit.
Nqakula weier om vergoeding te oorweeg aan wettige vuurwapeneienaars vir die verlies van wapens by die heruitreiking van lisensies. Hy het dié inligting bekend gemaak in antwoord op ’n vraag van Groenewald in die parlement.
Maar Groenewald het sy voet dwars gesit. Hy is van mening dat die minister ’n wet oortree en aan die verkeerde kant van die reg staan met sy weiering. En nou wil hy hof toe gaan as die minister nie tot ander insigte kom nie.
Groenewald sê volgens die nuwe vuurwapenwet mag mense net ’n sekere aantal vuurwapens besit.
“Die gevolg is dat huidige vuurwapeneienaars nie langer sekere wapens mag besit nie. Hulle sal dit moet verkoop of aan die polisie vir vernietiging moet oorhandig.
“Miskien besef die minister dit nie, maar hy oortree ’n wet en nou dwing hy ons om die proses aan die gang te sit vir ’n hofsaak. Die minister oortree artikel 137 van die nuwe Wet op die Beheer van Vuurwapens. Hierdie artikel in die wet maak spesifiek voorsiening vir vergoeding aan mense wie se vuurwapens oorhandig is en/of verbeur is aan die staat.
“Artikel 137 (5) van dieselfde wet plaas ook die verpligting op die minister van veiligheid en sekuriteit om in oorleg met die minister van finansies riglyne vir die betaling van vergoeding in te stel. Minister Nqakula is besig om sy plig te versuim en is duidelik nie bewus van artikel 137 van die Vuurwapenwet nie.
“In sy antwoord plaas die minister die onus op die wettige vuurwapen*eienaar om self die vuurwapen te verkoop, te laat deaktiveer of vrywillig by die SAPD in te lewer vir vernietiging.
“Hierdeur ontneem die staat sonder vergoeding wettige vuurwapeneienaars van hul eiendomsreg. Ons dink dis ’n oortreding van artikel 25 (1) van die Grondwet, wat eiendomsreg verseker. Die artikel in die Grondwet bepaal onder meer dat niemand eiendom ontneem mag word nie en dat geen regsvoorskrif arbitrêre ontneming van eiendom mag veroorloof nie.”
Groenewald sê vuurwapeneienaars moet by die inhandiging van hul vuurwapens daarop aandring om die voorgeskrewe vorm te voltooi om vergoeding van die registrateur te kan eis.
06-19-2005, 09:38 AM #207
Groenewald is 100% korrek...
Oa137 Wet 60 van 2000.doc (107.0 KB, 3 views)
06-19-2005, 11:36 AM #208
Gun owners 'face jail'
If police were to keep pace with the stringent requirements of the new law and their programme to tighten gun ownership in South Africa, they would have to process 600 000 licence renewals this year - more than 4 000 a day.
Since the new firearms legislation took effect on July 1 last year, police said they had received only 488 applications for new licences. Of these, 21 had been approved, and five refused, implying that the balance is still under consideration.
The SA Gun Owners' Association and Black Gun Owners' Associ-ation insisted, however, that about 20 000 appeals had been registered with police by unsuccessful applicants wanting to know why their bids had failed.
"Police are just not coping. The government underestimated the burden of the administration process," said the spokesman for the South African Gun Owners Association, Martin Hood.
Under the new Firearms Control Act, licences have to be renewed every five years and licences issued to businesses have to be renewed every two years.
The renewal period is staggered and based on date of birth, but it appears that the police are falling dismally behind schedule. Gun owners who were born between January 1 and March 31 have to renew their licences this year.
The renewal is a lengthy process and includes passing a prescribed training test at an accredited training institution, and obtaining a competency certificate.
With more than 3.5 million registered firearms in circulation, the police have a mammoth task to process the applications. Hood said there was "massive ignorance" about the renewal process. "The minister needs to ensure that every licensed gun owner receives a written notice," he said.
But police spokesman Dir Phuti Setati said the police were continuing to create awareness about the deadlines. "The minister for safety and security and the police have conducted a number of imbizos in various provinces and are conducting road shows throughout the country," said Setati.
He urged gun owners to renew their licences before the cut-off date. If a licence has expired, the gun is considered illegal and the owner in possession faces a sentence of up to 25 years behind bars.
It is also "impossible" to get a new licence, said the gun owners associations. "I have not physically seen a new licence since the Act came into effect," said Hood.
Police have been reluctant to release information. A query from the Sunday Tribune on the number of licences issued since the new Act came into effect took a month to be answered.
Setati said that since July 1, about 9 000 licences had been approved in terms of the Arms and Ammu-nitions Act, which was replaced by the Firearms Control Act.
"The licences had been applied for under the old Act," said Setati.
In Gauteng this week, a group of gun owners and gun shop owners protested against the Act and handed a memorandum to the office of Gauteng Premier Mbhazima Shilowa, threatening to collect firearms still awaiting licences.
Abios Khoele, President of the Black Gun Owners' Association, said that black gun owners were being refused licences without compensation.
The South African Gun Owners' Association is doing a survey on the shortcomings of the Act after receiving hundreds of complaints. Hood said the association had received more than 1 000 complaints from organisations including farmers' unions, the hunting and sports associations, Black Gun Owners Association and collector associations.
"We are going to try to find somebody who will deal with the issues, otherwise we are going to take the government to court," he said.
Meanwhile, 27 463 illegal and 37 515 legally owned guns have been handed in at police stations countrywide during the Gun Amnesty.
The six-month amnesty period ends at the end of this month, and people found guilty of being in possession of illegal firearms or unlicensed guns after that face prison sentences of up to 25 years.
06-19-2005, 12:01 PM #209
Well the government did state that they want to get rid of all firearms (legal ones that is). At this rate, all currently legal firearms will soon be illegal so they will get their wish sooner than expected. Unfortunately in South Africa (unlike the USA) we do not have a right to firearms, it is a priviledge granted under the act (currently the FCA). The Government of course can therefore dictate whatever they want.
06-19-2005, 12:13 PM #210
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