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NG kerk en gays, hoekom maak hulle dit my probleem?
08-31-2005, 02:27 AM #11
Re: NG kerk en gays, hoekom maak hulle dit my probleem?
Onthou ons praat nou van heel reg in die begin,kan jy ons n biekie meer vertel hoekom jy glo daar was meer mense gemaak.??
08-31-2005, 01:33 PM #12
Wie se hulle was die enigste kinders gewees. Die punt was ook dat Adam deur God gemaak is maar Kain en Abel is deur Adam gemaak.
Die afleiding is dat die God-het-my-so-gemaak argument nie kan oortuig nie.
09-03-2005, 04:50 PM #13
Ek sien die kerk het gat omgeswaai ten gunste van die gays...
09-03-2005, 05:44 PM #14
Ek glo daar was meer as net hulle 2 gemaak op daai tyd, maar ek dink ek kom van my ma af agv my pa
Jy glo korrek! Die res van jou stelling is egter 'n saak van geloof.
09-04-2005, 11:30 AM #15
Ek sien een van die AGS kerke wat ek in was as kind begin nou baie pro-gay raak. Maak my brusend
09-04-2005, 02:04 PM #16
NG(ay)kerk en AG(ay)S of hoe ?
09-26-2005, 05:06 PM #17
Ek wil 'n kort bydrae maak wat moontlik vir ons gaan help om verby die huidige gay opslae en rookskerms wat ons ou volkie so verblind, te kyk. Kom ons kyk verby denominasies. Kom ons kyk hier vorentoe wanneer alles rondom diskriminasie teen gays deur wetgewing afgedwing sal word op die mens, maar ook die Kerk. Wat is die implikasies wat dit vir jou en my inhou?
Indien wetgewing die gays op alle vlakke van die samelewing beskerm, sal dit onder andere beteken dat die Bybel wat dié maatstaf is waaraan alle morele waardes en standaarde gemeet word, lynreg in stryd sal wees met die wetgewer van die land. Elke skrifgedeelte wat rondom hierdie onderwerp geplaas is onder bg. leidraad sal eenvoudig uit die Bybel geskeur en verwyder moet word. Die 7de Gebod is dan van geen waarde meer nie. Die denominasie wat hierdie wetgewing omhels, erken en onderwerp hulle dan aan 'n mensgemaakte wet. Die Wet van die Here volgens [Exo.20] is dan vir alle praktiese redes ondergeskik aan die wetgewer van hierdie land. Prakties beteken dit dat egbreek gepleeg word tussen God en Sy Kerk, jy en ek.
Dit is onder andere ook die rede waarom daar binnekort met 'n nuwe Afrikaanse Bybel begin word met die oog op die volgende geslag. As ons gedink het dat vervolging teen Christene net beperk is tot hulle daar ver, maak ons 'n fatale fout. Jesus Christus self is aan die woord wanneer Hy ons waarsku in Mattheus 24 v 4.
Laastens moet ons ook net onthou dat die denominasie waarna u verwys het die laaste rug is wat gebreek moet word. Dit was mos die kerk van die vorige bedeling van hierdie land ? Of wat praat ek ?
07-31-2006, 04:10 AM #18
These are the Biblical verses refered to above, in two different translations: the King James Version [KJV], and New International Version [NIV]
Lev 18:22 [KJV] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. [NIV] Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Lev 1:9 [KJV] But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. [NIV] He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
Exodus 21:7 [KJV] And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [NIV] If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.
Lev 15:19-24 [KJV] And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. 20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. 21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. 24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
[NIV] When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening. 24 If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.
Lev 25:44 [KJV] Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. [NIV] Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
Exodus 35:2 [KJV] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. [NIV] For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Lev 11:10 [KJV] And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you [NIV] But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales --- whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water --- you are to detest.
Lev 21:20 [KJV] Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken [NIV] or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles.
Lev 19:27 [KJV] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. [NIV] Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
Lev 11:6-8 [KJV] And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
[NIV] The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divied, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcases; they are unclean for you.
Lev 19:19 [KJV] Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. [NIV] Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
Lev 24:10-16 [KJV] And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; 11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan 12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them. 13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him. 15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin. 16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
[NIV] Now the son of an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father went out among the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between him and an Israelite. 11 The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the name of the LORD with a curse; so they brough him to Moses. (His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri the Danite.) 12 They put him in custody until the will of the LORD should be made clear to them. 13 Then the LORD said to Moses: 14 Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. 15 Say to the Israelites: If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
Lev 20:14 [KJV] And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. [NIV] If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
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08-01-2006, 10:37 AM #19
As Gert van Rooyen van dag geleef het sou hy ook seker gesê het God het hom so gemaak. God het almal gemaak met ‘n vrye wil en die vermoë om te sondig. Almal word nie op die selfde manier in die versoeking gelei nie maar ons almal het die vermoë om versoeking te weerstaan. Homoseksualiteit is nie is siekte nie, niemand word daarmee gebore meer as wat enige ander persoon met sonde gebore word nie, dis ‘n sondige begeerte net soos enige ander. Ek self sondig maar as God my ‘n kort humeur gegee het gee dit my nie ‘n verskoning om dit op almal rondom my uit te haal nie.
Die verskil is dat “normale” Christene hulle sonde belei en daarom vergewe word terwyl gays trots is daarop. Die Bybel sê ons moet berou hê voor ons vergewe kan word.
Wat my egter walg is die feit dat hulle die samelewing se goedkering eis, hulle eis om aanvaar te word, hulle eis om hulle sonde in ons huise in te bring oor radio, tv en in boeke. Hulle lewens is tussen hulle en God. Vir my om hulle goed te keur sal ek my Verlosser en my waardes moet verraai. Ek sal dit haat om eendag voor my Skepper te moet staan en te sê ek het Hom verloën terwille daarvan om polities korrek te wees. Ek eis nou om nie daarvan te hoor nie, ek eis om ‘n predikant te hê wat die selfde geloofsoortuigings as ek het en ek eis om te kan kies met wie ek wil assosieer en wie nie.
Hulle eis al hierdie goed want hulle WEET wat hulle doen is onnatuurlik en verkeerd. Homoseksualiteit is 'n keuse - niemand is so gebore nie - geen twyfel! Satan se kinders hierdie !
08-01-2006, 10:45 AM #20
Ek kan nie eers onthou wanneer ek in 'n NG kerk was nie, want ek stem nie saam met hulle leerstellings nie.
Ek weet nie of julle al gehoor het van die "pienk loerie" fees op Knysna elke jaar nie? Vir die van julle wat nie weet nie dit is 'n gay fees wat elke jaar in Knysna gehou word d.w.s ons het ons eie Sodom en Gamorra in Suid-Afrika. Ek was ontsteld toe ek die foto's van die fees in die koerant sien, ek dink as ek dit moet aanskou sal ek heeltemal te kwaad raak.
Kaapstad is moes die "Gay Capital" van die wêreld. Sodom en Gamorra is orals in ons land. WALGLIK!!!
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