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klipneer staan maklik engels ooit van voel poepol oor Suspention upgrade?????? - Hilux 4x4 Forum
I have a view questions that I hope to get some feedback on.
I spoke to a guy that sells suspension kits.
The kit he suggested to me for my Fortuner is a shock upgrade and spacers to be installed with the coils. (Complete kit goes for R6500. To be installed). Front and rear, to get the lift that I am looking for. He suggested the spacers as with fitting up rated coils you lose some of your ride comfort. This is totally understandable...
The question I have is has anyone done a suspension upgrade like this??
The concern I have is that with keeping the standard coils and putting in the spacers it might put more strain on the coils and be more prone to failure.
Is this the case or am I worried for nothing..
Any feedback and or comments would be appreciated...
Will be interesting to hear the answes as im thinking of doing it to the Prado too.....
I am sure alot of guys here would be able to assist you, but I think Darrel from Mikem would be the best guy to assist..
Give him a call and see what he has to say..
Darrel from mikem suspension
Tel: 011 493 5181
Cell: 082 656 4473
ForYota wrote: I am sure alot of guys here would be able to assist you, but I think Darrel from Mikem would be the best guy to assist..
Yes Johan... gee vir Darrel 'n lui. Hy ken regtig. Hy sal jou die waarheid vertel en nie probeer om jou te convince om sy goed in te sit nie..
Baie ouens met hiluxe sit die spacers voor in om die neus te lig en ek self het, sover geen probleme en ek weet nie van mense met probleme nie... hoekom jy die shocks moet vervang weet ek nie want toyota shock is gemaak om die vol lengte van "articulation" te kan travel... dalk het iemand n slim antwoord daarvoor...
Hangover wrote: Baie ouens met hiluxe sit die spacers voor in om die neus te lig en ek self het, sover geen probleme en ek weet nie van mense met probleme nie... hoekom jy die shocks moet vervang weet ek nie want toyota shock is gemaak om die vol lengte van "articulation" te kan travel... dalk het iemand n slim antwoord daarvoor...
Die spacers sal my 'n 50mm lift gee. Ek wil die shock vervang want dit is 55mm langer en dit is ook bietjie stywer om die "body Roll" wat gaan voorkom as ek die lig doen te verminder.
Hy het blykbaar dieselfde op sy Fortuner gedoen en hy se dit is vir hom die beste opsie. Het glo eers die ander coils in gehaad maar nie daarvan gehou nie.
Spacers om te lig help, dis net 'n "Lift", dan ook moet mens langer shock ook kry, rede sal wees jy lig met se maar 30-50mm, jou lengte gaan te kort wees en sodoende gaan die shock te vroeg uit bottom, dit gaan die mounts of die shaft breek. Maar glad nie om gewig te dra, die OE coils sal met ekstra gewig net pap raak dan is dit nodig om alles weer van voor af te doen.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:44 pm
Die Stywer Shock is net daar om die reaksie op die shock vinniger te maak om die wiel vinniger op die pad te kry. Geen effek op Gewig.
Is die verskil in ry gerief regtig so groot dat 'n mens nie maar net na die ander coils toe moet gaan en klaar kry nie???
Dis Beter om die Integreder Suspensie( Coil & Shock ) van die begin af in te sit. Die Voertuig moet reg gekwaliseer word om die regte Gradeering coil in te sit wat gaan werk. Dit bedoel help nie om 'n light duty coil in te sit as jy klaar Roofrack, voorbumper, winch, drawer in het wat permanent op die voertuig is. Sit dan die heavy duty in.
Rygerief op die Suspensies verbeter baie as dit reg gedoen is.
Persoonlik sal ek nooit weer 'n spacer lift doen nie. Ek het dit op my Vigo gedoen, en die bakkie se padhou vermoë het daarna gesuig! Ek sou sê as jy wil lig doen die regte ding met volledige suspensie aanpassing. Jy moet tevrede wys met die rygenot van die voertuig, nie met die looks nie.
Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:03 am
Nadat ek verlede jaar die ekstra brandstof tenk en ook spaarwiel na agter geskuif het moes ek iets aan die suspensie doen. Met vrag kon jy nie stadig genoeg oor 'n spoedwal gaan nie, ek het met Len of Darrel gesels en het toe net my agter vere vervang met 'progressiewe' vere. My voertuig gelaai of ongelaai ry lekker en hoe vinniger jy nou oor spoedwalle ry hoe lekkerder. Soos in die ander 'thread' gese het, het ek nou van tyd tot tyd bakrol. Ek het 'n vermoede dit is die standaard skokbrekers wat nie opgewasse is nie. Het reeds pryse by Darrel gekry en sal sodra finansies toelaat twee Bilstein skokbrekers agter opsit. Die bakwerk is ook gelyk met of sonder vrag.
Suspension is all about your application - one cannot "box" suspension to one type or rather a single solution that will work for everybody, saying this one need to understand there is many factors to take into account when you decide on a specific suspension for you vehicle.
The first question you need to answer is lift or no lift - if you pick no lift then its much easier, but again not out of the fire yet, for there is still so many products on the market to pick from, which one will be the best for your vehicle?
If you pick lift - the next question is first how high you want to go or how high you need to go...??? This all depends again on your application, if it is serious cross country application, touring, 4x4 challenges or just to look better that Mr Jones next door - personally the std Fortuner is almost high enough for any general usage, but again a Fortuner with a lift looks so good!!
Then if you lift, again the question pops up, which brand.... and is there any options available regarding coil spring rating, or rather fit harder springs for load carry applications, but saying this one needs to take into account if you fit harder springs how often are you really going to use the harder springs vs vehicle not loaded every day? For example I use my Fortuner maybe 95% of the time without serious cross country loads, thus it does not really make sense for me to fit hard coils in my vehicle if I will only benefit 5% of the year with the lift?
But how do I lift a vehicle, keep the standard soft coils and add firmness to the vehicle - I have gone for a rear spacer lift kit on my std rear spacers and added a very firm shock to improve the Fortuner's handling - Also the std spring have great flex, thus added a 2" longer shock really increased my rear axle articulation.
Front suspension is a bit different, the front suspension are very limited regarding flex, this is limited by the IFS bumpstops, but because the Hilux & Fortuners are a bit known to drop lower in front, one can always fit a spacer to raise the vehicle again - or just fit a upgrade front coil.
There is two basic factors here..... pick the correct application for your vehicle...... and the last which I believe does matter almost more at the end of the day, the size of your wallet :-)
So I ordered my suspention upgrade from Cobus...
Hope to have it by the weekend to fit it