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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 03:11:26 pm
Title: Hey Honda fans, here's your new adventure bike - sucks to be you!
Post by: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 03:11:26 pm
According to Hell For Leather, this is the concept sketch of the new 4 cylinder Honda big adventure bike. Ag shame :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: Hey Honda fans, here's your new adventure bike - sucks to be you!
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 03:33:49 pm
Wait for TR he will tell you it at least weighs less than the competition. :imaposer:
Post by: blazes on October 14, 2010, 03:39:39 pm
Post by: Rolf on October 14, 2010, 03:54:48 pm
And I thought the original Super Tenere concept with the keffiyeh was vague :-\
Post by: KobusL on October 14, 2010, 03:55:52 pm
Post by: Buks on October 14, 2010, 04:23:08 pm
With your reaction to that sketch through this thread, it appears you are feeling a little threatened, shame...... :mwink:
Post by: Battlestar on October 14, 2010, 04:24:28 pm
Here piggy wiggy :imaposer:
Post by: Pistonpete on October 14, 2010, 04:25:31 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on October 14, 2010, 04:24:28 pm
A pig in an aerodynamic casing....remains a pig ;D
Post by: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 04:31:53 pm
Superten killer . ;)
Post by: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 04:33:11 pm
Quote from: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 04:31:53 pm
What's it gonna do, sit on it? :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 04:59:02 pm
Like all Liter Class DS bikes this will be 'n dirt tourer, not a MX'er. As a 4 cylinder it's likely to weigh as much as the S10 and 1200GS at least.
I fail to see why people who want a <200kg overlander / MX bike with HUGE tank also insist it must be 1000cc+?
Something like the 660 Ten ticks all the boxes IMO but it seems 660cc is just not enough compensation for some ;D
The Big Honda, like the GS and S10, will be what it was designed to be.
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:04:59 pm
The real question is, would the auto box be available in the DS model? (And don't knock the auto box of the VFR unless you've actually ridden it).
That could be very useful in a DS application?
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 05:10:46 pm
Quote from: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 04:33:11 pm
:laughing4: :imaposer: :oscar:
TR is on a roll, beskerm die brand at all cost. :imaposer:
Post by: Varadero on October 14, 2010, 05:14:22 pm
Go TR, you tell them :biggrin:
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:24:35 pm
Quote from: michnus on October 14, 2010, 05:10:46 pm
Which brand is that? The Tenere or Honda?
Honda said it's going to bring out a liter class dirt tourer. Now it's bringing out the Liter Class Dirt Tourer (4 cylinder nogal) and and Lo and Behold! People are surprised it's not a MX bike ???
Ek kan maar net lag! ;D
Het julle gedink 'n 4 sillinder 1200cc shaft bike gaan 100kg weeg, 50L petrol dra, soos 'n 250 scrambler lyk en perform soos 'n V8 met NOS?
Ek kan maar net lag...
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:26:10 pm
Is that the official concept sketch BTW? The one I saw had spokes.
Has anyone seen this sketch released on a Honda site?
Post by: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 05:26:31 pm
TR jy sal moet sterk staan mater , onthou , hoe bome kry altyd die meeste wind . :mwink:
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:27:28 pm
Quote from: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 05:26:31 pm
Ek gaan vir Michnus en Wes oornooi en dan op hulle sit! :imaposer:
Post by: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 05:28:46 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:27:28 pm
It's a "date"
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 05:29:13 pm
stadig broer jy gaan alweer op die verkeerde pad af. Ons bash sommer jou brand en omdat jy so tekere gegaan het op die Yammie thread oor die gewig, maar gedink jy sal graag die fight hier wil laat aangaan. Ding is net as hy nou swaarder weeg as die Yammie, wat se jy dan? ;) :biggrin:
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 05:29:28 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 05:34:35 pm
As ek reg onthou het ek gese julle maak te veel van gewig. Miskien moet jy net minder val. ;D Die plekke waar die bikes designed is om te ry is nie die doodsakker nie. Die regte bikes vir sulke trips is 660's, maar weereens, lyk my nie 660 is genoeg compensation vir almal nie ;D
Post by: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 05:42:27 pm
Ding is net as hy nou swaarder weeg as die Yammie, wat se jy dan? ;) :biggrin:
Neewat ek dink nie enige iemand kan n swaarder fiets bou as Yamaha nie . :imaposer:
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 05:42:31 pm
Eish TR, jy het nie so gese nie, maaaaaar jy was hard op die ST thread oor die gewigs ding van die ander bikes. Nee man kom nou fokus, fokus of sit neer die rum en coke dis nog te vroeg. :biggrin:
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 05:48:12 pm
Post by: Fenderbender on October 14, 2010, 05:55:26 pm
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 05:57:23 pm
Post by: Pistonpete on October 14, 2010, 05:59:38 pm
Aaah...it's so nice to see the S10, BMW & now the Honda being compared....it's a great weight off us KTM'ers.... :ricky:
Post by: JourneyMan on October 14, 2010, 06:00:56 pm
Post by: IDR on October 14, 2010, 06:03:31 pm
Dis net ouens met swaar bikes en swaar pense wat sulke kak kwyt raak. ;D
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 06:47:09 pm
Post by: IDR on October 14, 2010, 07:49:14 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 09:48:26 pm
Nou kom die probleem in. Klein piele'tjie wil niks NIKS anders as die grootste engine he nie, maar klein piele'tjie wil ook graag bewys dat hy die hardcore'ste is. ;D Die groot'ste bike en die "hardcore'ste" terrein gaan nie saam nie...
Nou kom kla hulle hier ;D
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 09:55:12 pm
...en as die bike omneuk 'n groot budget :D
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 10:05:22 pm
Dit gaan oor die gewig ding. Moenie kla as jy 'n 1200 koop en hy weeg te veel nie. Jy weet mos voor die tyd wat jy koop. As jy lig geraak wil wees oor gewig, koop 'n ligter bike! Dis mos maklik. Maar nou WIL sommige mense die grootste engine he EN die hardcore'ste trips doen. Dit pas nie, maar sommige wil mos "iets" bewys. (http://www.saforums.co.za/rlt/Smileys/default/loco10.gif) :imaposer:
Koop net die regte bike vir jou tipe riding. En as jy MOET over compensate, leef met die te"kort"kominge saam. :imaposer:
Post by: Snafu on October 14, 2010, 10:09:19 pm
I am a Honda fan, but will wait and see, oh, and btw, I suppose i am classified as one of your klein pielietjies, but i tell you what, my wife does not say that, she had a wonderful trip last weekend on the back of the GSA :P
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 10:14:36 pm
No no no (http://www.saforums.co.za/rlt/Smileys/default/nono.gif)
En ek het self 'n GSA gery laas week. ;) En ek het nie gekak en kou nie. Ek weet wat 'n liter klas bike is en nie is nie.
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 10:15:43 pm
gooi bietjie links van die ouens wat kom bitch hulle 1200's ry nie soos 250's nie ;)
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 10:16:36 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 10:22:38 pm
Presies! En ek ry oor 'n grasperk soms BobNob Etienne! ;D Moenie eers praat van 'n 10km treinspoor (http://trailriderreports.blogspot.com/2009/08/roam-free.html) nie. Die bike se dash sal flikker en die suspension sal ontplof!!! :imaposer:
Post by: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 10:24:51 pm
Quote from: michnus on October 14, 2010, 10:15:43 pm
Post by: Etienne2T on October 14, 2010, 10:30:05 pm
Post by: michnus on October 14, 2010, 10:33:26 pm
try weer ;D ;)
Post by: Captain Zef on October 14, 2010, 11:05:13 pm
Ek voel effens naar :P
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on October 14, 2010, 11:46:16 pm
Ek weet nie van gewig nie, maar ek weet hoe so n 1200V4 gaan kak op al die ander testosterone stofscooters.
Post by: TheMightySpongeBob on October 15, 2010, 08:38:29 am
Quote from: the_wes on October 14, 2010, 03:11:26 pm
What does Honda need another big engined Adventure bike for, they already have a perfectly good one, the Varedero. And before there is the communal groan and moan, I used one for 3 days through the Baviaans Kloof and surrounds, albeit on knobby tyres, and it was perfect to take off-road. In fact, here's a picture of us taking it off-road............ about 6 feet off the road in fact!
Post by: michnus on October 15, 2010, 08:45:19 am
Post by: the_wes on October 15, 2010, 08:56:35 am
Post by: nemodakar on October 15, 2010, 09:09:13 am
I've still got that BSA somewhere, that Vara was turned into a cruiser.
Post by: Socket on October 15, 2010, 10:26:03 am
Ek verstaan nie dis mense met groot 1200 bikes wat baie meer as 200kg weeg wat comment op Honda se bike wat nog nie eens gemaak is nie.
Jy kan nie n bike sleg se as jy nog net n skets gesien het nie.
Die ST se konsep tekening het gelyk soos n bandiet wat in die woestyn verdwaal het
so tenminste ontwerp honda n bike en draai nie n ou gordyn oor n frame en se dis n konsep nie. :imaposer:
Post by: mountainboy on October 15, 2010, 10:27:12 am
hly crap - why would want to that to a dirt tourer :eek7:
Post by: Yami Super 10 on October 15, 2010, 10:39:16 am
Quote from: Socket on October 15, 2010, 10:26:03 am
Die doekkie was om sy oe gedraai om nie die ysterperd die k@k daar buite te wys nie :imaposer:
Post by: Kaboef on October 15, 2010, 11:13:27 am
Fark, when that Vara landed it must have registered a 8.3 on the Richterscale.
Now there are 3 things you can see from space:
The gap in the Bull's defence
And the hole in that road with bits of suspension parts in it.
Post by: The Purple Turtle on October 15, 2010, 11:36:12 am
I drool at the technical specs.
I think I might want one!
Post by: Lourens ツ on October 15, 2010, 11:40:44 am
Quote from: The Purple Turtle on October 15, 2010, 11:36:12 am
Sounds very good, and I don't care about the weight. I'll buy it as an adventure/dirt tourer, two up, and ride my DR650 elsewhere. :thumleft:
Post by: SandMan on October 15, 2010, 11:41:37 am
;D I think we are safe in this one Pete..... so nice to be in the litre class on a slim girl!!! ;)
I am looking forward to seeing what is unveiled here.... :ricky:
Post by: Pistonpete on October 15, 2010, 12:07:13 pm
Quote from: SandMan on October 15, 2010, 11:41:37 am
;D I think we are safe in this one Pete..... so nice to be in the litre class on a slim virginal & nubile girl!!! ;)
Post by: SandMan on October 15, 2010, 01:41:01 pm
Quote from: Pistonpete on October 15, 2010, 12:07:13 pm
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on October 15, 2010, 02:16:57 pm
Post by: letsgofishing on October 15, 2010, 02:21:15 pm
Quote from: Lourens dL on October 15, 2010, 11:40:44 am
And that I think, is exactly the market it's aimed at!
Post by: Rolf on October 15, 2010, 02:22:22 pm
Post by: Snafu on October 15, 2010, 02:26:24 pm
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on October 15, 2010, 03:12:04 pm
Post by: TheMightySpongeBob on October 17, 2010, 05:18:52 pm
Post by: Jacko on October 17, 2010, 05:37:49 pm
Spongebob, that flowing, uninhibited prose, combined with a distinctly acerbic sense of humour makes me wonder if you don't have some Fourie DNA in you. :imaposer:
Post by: TheMightySpongeBob on October 17, 2010, 09:19:26 pm
Post by: dirtWarp on October 18, 2010, 09:55:12 pm
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 01:45:06 pm
Post by: Grrrr.... on October 19, 2010, 01:58:07 pm
Post by: Grrrr.... on October 19, 2010, 01:59:18 pm
It has handgaurds! Yip, this is a off-roader all right! ;D
Post by: letsgofishing on October 19, 2010, 01:59:43 pm
Another V-Strom? :'(
Post by: 2-Stroke on October 19, 2010, 02:00:46 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 02:23:37 pm
Post by: GRyPH on October 19, 2010, 02:31:42 pm
ek sal wag en sien waneer die bike launch om my opinie oor dit te vorm. :thumleft:
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 02:34:15 pm
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 02:35:28 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 02:38:30 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 02:45:23 pm
This is said to be an 800. ::)
You guys are posting BS to distract people from those actual photos of the BMW with the attached cake tin :D
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 02:51:39 pm
Post by: The Purple Turtle on October 19, 2010, 02:52:33 pm
And your point is? :biggrin:
Post by: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
you're probably right. i have attached a photo of what is probably more likely to be closer to the final bike...
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 02:54:58 pm
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 02:55:43 pm
The show is in two weeks. Then all will be revealed.
Post by: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 02:57:16 pm
Looks like Honda’s jumping on the tease bandwagon too. This is the second sketch of a new bike that Honda now says, “will have the flexibility and exciting attitude of a naked performance machine, with the upright riding position and rugged appearance of an adventure bike.” It also looks like this model will use a smaller capacity version of Honda’s new V4. The production version of this bike is destined for EICMA on 2 November, where Honda will also unveil a concept preview of another V4 model, this time using the 1200cc version of that engine.
This sketch shows the front fairing and headlight of this “crossover” motorcycle, something Honda claims it designed to foster both engine cooling and high-speed stability. Note the “floating” instrument cluster placed unusually high within the windshield, this arrangement should better enable the rider to use peripheral vision to monitor the instruments.
It’s sort of amazing how many takes on the adventure touring theme we’re seeing this year. The R1200GS that essentially invented the segment soldiers on, still dominating in both sales and performance, but literally every other bike maker now thinks they can twist its theme just enough to muscle into the segment. The Ducati Multistrada 1200 attempts this with superbike power, light weight and push-button electronic adjustability of its suspension, power delivery and traction control system. The Yamaha Super Tenere is also a more road-focussed bike, falling a bit flat with reportedly un-exciting performance. The Triumph Tiger 800 takes the novel approach of offering two versions pushed to the polar extremes of the segment: the Triumph Tiger 800 XC should be very capable off road, while the non-XC ditches the tubes and knobs for presumably superior on-road performance. Aprilia is even rumored to be getting in on the action.
The problem with all the above is that they push expanded features, complication and, as a result, reduced utility without offering anything fundamentally different to or better than that GS. Could Honda be playing a different game with this “crossover” malarky?
The word evokes lame car-based SUVs with more cupholders than off-road ability, but it’s no more revolutionary a concept that any of the above competition. The Ducati, Yamaha and non-XC Tiger are already essentially sports tourers with upright ergos more than they are bona fide dirt-capable machines. This teaser gives us no idea what Honda will be bringing to the segment other than some intrinsic Hondaness. In other years we’d applaud its mid-size engine, but the Tiger already appears to have that sewn up with the added advantage of a characterful, torquey, fast three-cylinder.
This machine appears to have been designed by Honda Italy, also responsible for the oddly-styled Honda CB1000R. If that hints at European production, it may also indicate that it’s unlikely the bike will make it across the Atlantic. Like the CB1000R, production in Europe simply makes bikes too expensive to sell with the currently deliberately depressed dollar.
In addition to this production machine, Honda also plans to show a concept based 1200cc V4. Here’s the official statement that accompanied this sketch:
Honda today released a second design sketch of the mid-range crossover motorcycle that expands its V4 engine configuration offering.
This crossover is a midrange capacity motorcycle – Honda will also reveal at EICMA a new concept motorcycle using the 1200cc V4 engine first seen in the VFR1200F, to further prove leadership in this evocative and powerful engine configuration.
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 03:01:45 pm
hmmm... adventure appearance and adventure design cues.
No holding of breath going on here.
Not that I would EVER buy a Honda.
Post by: Socket on October 19, 2010, 03:07:11 pm
Quote from: IDR on October 19, 2010, 03:01:45 pm
You cant buy n honda because you wont be able to sell your KLR for n deposit. :imaposer:
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 03:09:49 pm
Quote from: Socket on October 19, 2010, 03:07:11 pm
That's probably true, I'd have to give it away! Even then I might struggle.
But I wouldn't need to, because I am not buying a honda - especially not this one!
Post by: IDR on October 19, 2010, 03:10:32 pm
See, I can't even get myself as far as to capitalise honda. THAT's how much I dislike them.
Post by: KiLRoy on October 19, 2010, 03:12:07 pm
I get what you say TR - making weight an issue for liter bikes over 200kgs is like the oke doing ballet on a Rhino telling the oke on the Elephant his ride is to heavy?
If you look for serious off road stuff - ignore the whole liter class and go for something lighter. Also stay away from the 650 class bikes which weigh 180kgs plus. Still have the weight without the horses...
160kgs and less - thats what you want.
>:D But on the other hand Darren - don't say your CTX is a d/s bike if the bash is too far... ;) >:D
Post by: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 03:14:47 pm
Quote from: KiLRoy on October 19, 2010, 03:12:07 pm
i.e. KTM 690 E, Husky TE 610, Honda XR 650 R, Suzuki DR 650, Yamaha XT 660 R, etc? I concur...
Post by: The Purple Turtle on October 19, 2010, 03:20:00 pm
Quote from: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 03:14:47 pm
Damn, The_Wes concur with KilRoy! :o
That is like 2 Stroke Dan admitting that the 1200GSA is a moeroffa bike!
Where is this forum going to? >:D O0 :laughing4:
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:20:05 pm
Nothing in that article suggests anything hardcore.
I guess we'll have to wait two week and see. This is the first I've heard about an 800.
In hardcore / overlanding / reliability the 660 Ten still sets the standard I guess (performance is not a priority in overlanding bikes).
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:21:13 pm
- I never said anything of the sorts.
- I dont have my CTX anymore.
- I did ride it to the bash 8)
Post by: KiLRoy on October 19, 2010, 03:23:49 pm
just pulling your chain....but proof it this year! See you at the bash? :biggrin:
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:26:07 pm
I think the 660 Ten with it's big tank etc. standard is closer to the term "Dual Sport" than those high performance scramblers IMO.
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:26:54 pm
Quote from: KiLRoy on October 19, 2010, 03:23:49 pm
Unfortunately it's impossible. I would really have loved to be there!
Post by: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 03:28:26 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:26:07 pm
are we going to have this discussion again :mwink:
we're both right :thumleft:
Post by: Trailrider on October 19, 2010, 03:30:22 pm
Quote from: the_wes on October 19, 2010, 03:28:26 pm
Look at what it says under the translation of that 1200 drawing: :D
"With such an engine under the hood "is not expected anyway not to discover a sunken roads fear."
Post by: KiLRoy on October 19, 2010, 03:32:50 pm
nothing is impossible old chap - if the WP can be in the final, anything is possible? :biggrin: - just make a plan stan, enough time to make money, but potential for memories and great times - lost forever?
Post by: letsgofishing on October 20, 2010, 05:43:07 pm
This machine is an exciting new approach – a crossover machine that represents the best aspects of two separate biking genres.
Oh well, now we know - a "slap piel" soft-roader :P
Post by: The Purple Turtle on October 21, 2010, 11:10:58 am
Might as well buy the autobox VFR and ride carefully on the 6km dirt to home.
What an almighty FUBAR.
I sometimes despair with the slant-eyed people.
Post by: letsgofishing on October 21, 2010, 11:42:30 am
Yeah - REALLY disappointing!
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:38:12 pm
Funny - you okes not very quick on the draw here...
2 bikes unveiled at Milan... 800cc Crossrunner:
Not translating this:
Motor: 4 tiempos, V4 a 90°, DOHC, 16 válvulas y refrigeración líquida Cilindrada: 782 cm3 Potencia máx:74,9 kW / 10,000 min-1 (95/1/EC) Tipo de Transmisión: 6 velocidades
1200 cc CrossTourer:
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:39:12 pm
Post by: GRyPH on November 02, 2010, 01:42:39 pm
from what site did you get this? any more specs on the 1200?
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:45:03 pm
Quote from: GRyPH on November 02, 2010, 01:42:39 pm
Sorry, nope no more specs... someone mentioned 240 kg wet for the 800cc V4 CrossRunner on ADVRider... the CrossTourer, well, see my last pic.
Post by: the_wes on November 02, 2010, 01:46:16 pm
Quote from: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:39:12 pm
IDR you have made my day! if we find ourselves in the same city at any point the first beer is on me :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Post by: cloudgazer on November 02, 2010, 01:48:19 pm
That 1200 looks like a bloated pig....
Post by: GRyPH on November 02, 2010, 01:48:29 pm
found this: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/November/nov0210-honda-crosstourer-concept-revealed/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/November/nov0210-honda-crosstourer-concept-revealed/)
the 1200 still seems to be only a concept and the 800 is designed for tar only according to this site:
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:57:42 pm
Quote from: GRyPH on November 02, 2010, 01:48:29 pm
the 800 is designed for tar only according to this site...
As if it wasn't obvious from the peekchas ;D
the_wes - anytime mate. And I didn't only post it because I think it LOOKS like an anvil! :biggrin:
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:01:23 pm
the 800 is designed for tar only
Yup. Mags and everything. Looks interesting for a "padbike". Different. All road bikes look the same these days.
Post by: Socket on November 02, 2010, 02:03:08 pm
Hier is nog n pic van die nice pad fiets
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 02:04:31 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:01:23 pm
Mags and everything. Looks interesting for a "padbike". Different. All road bikes look the same these days.
Quote from: somedudeonadvrider
Not sure what's the point of that bike to be honest. It looks heavy too, not sure if it really is. But for upright commuter/city bike it looks too wide and too heavy and won't be able to come close to Hornet CB1000R in power or usability as well as to most of "euro nakeds". Plus it seems to have shedloads of things to break if God forbid it falls on the side. And wind protection does not seem to be so good to make it long-distance hauler.
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:05:24 pm
Quote from: Socket on November 02, 2010, 02:03:08 pm
Hmm. Die eerste foto het mooier gelyk :-\
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:06:01 pm
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:07:52 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 02:05:24 pm
Nee dis nie mooi nie
Post by: Socket on November 02, 2010, 02:18:31 pm
Iewers is daar seker n ou wat so n pad bike soek dis net nie ek nie.
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 02, 2010, 02:23:57 pm
That 1200 CrossTourer doesn't look so bad. It has potential
the crossrunner... :puke_l:
Post by: the_wes on November 02, 2010, 02:26:00 pm
Quote from: LuckyStriker on November 02, 2010, 02:23:57 pm
potential for what??? throwing into the ocean for use in tsunami simulations?
Post by: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 02:28:37 pm
The Xrunner is SERIOUSLY fugly!
Any idea what the "enclosed sprocket" at the rear is all about?
Post by: IDR on November 02, 2010, 02:30:12 pm
Quote from: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 02:28:37 pm
Post by: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 02:30:38 pm
Inthe 1200's favour - it at least has tubeless tyres! ;D
Post by: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 02:33:39 pm
Quote from: IDR on November 02, 2010, 02:30:12 pm
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 03:03:04 pm
Quote from: the_wes on November 02, 2010, 02:26:00 pm
potential for what???
To be a gravel tourer. Was always gonna be one. When Honda said they were going to build a 4 cylinder gravel tourer did you expect an MX bike?
Yup, doesn't look too bad. Crashbars, spots, high screen, belly plate, spokes.
Will have to see how it stacks up against the GS1200 & STen. Specs and price. It's obviously going to be fast with that engine. Also, with the dual clutch box I guess you'll get it in the auto version? That will be very interesting in a DS application.
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 02, 2010, 03:13:17 pm
I don't see any reason why the SuperTen and the GS1200 should be rated higher than this Honda
It's the same class of bike with similar dimensions, similar applications, similar looks and probably similar specs
you just need to get rid of those attaché cases, slap on some knobblies, give it a bitchin' paint job and (if you can) crank up the suspension a little.
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 02, 2010, 04:12:59 pm
Looks like it will be a nice daily 12km dirt, 80km tar commuter.
Post by: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 05:21:47 pm
Here you go TR - before you even ask! ;)
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:04:55 pm
Hey! That's not half bad - for pillion trips with the Mrs. 8) Esp. since we seem to do B&B trips like GS's do :D
Post by: Lourens ツ on November 02, 2010, 10:13:57 pm
I like! :thumleft: (I think my ST10 dreams are fading fast. ;D )
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:23:38 pm
One potential problem I do foresee - too small a tank. The VFR's tank is too small as well :-\
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 02, 2010, 10:30:18 pm
one thing you have to give to the boxer bmw bikes are they are doddle to work on - everything is nice and in the open
the new honda looks like you need to strip the bike for 2 hours+ before you can touch it :peepwall:
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:32:54 pm
Don't be daft! How many BMW owners work on their own bikes? 1% ventures off tar. 0% know's where the engine is!
Poor attempt at the spoon B_N. ;)
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:36:17 pm
B_N, could you work on a brand new GS1200? Do you have the computers? Serious question. ;D And if not... ???
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 02, 2010, 10:38:24 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:32:54 pm
i do know the dakar is a bitch to work on - need to access everything from the top so you need to strip everything before you can do anything
the v4 is not going to be joke to do stuff on that you can be sure
Post by: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:40:04 pm
No 1200 these days are meant to be "worked on" by the riders.
Luckily, this being a Honda, you wont need to! :P
Post by: Buks on November 02, 2010, 10:45:12 pm
I believe the 1200 is at least going to be the Quality Benchmark in this 'Hyper DS' class, and with that V4, it should also set new standards for performance, relaxed high speed cruising and obviously that marvellous unique sound!
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 02, 2010, 11:12:48 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 02, 2010, 10:36:17 pm
if its some computer related problem then no - well you can get the gs911 thingy that will tell you more or less what is wrong and you can swop out the parts
but lets face it normal "working" on a bike is
chain oil and filter and plugs and set the valve clearances replacing the odd bearing chains and sprockets water pump flushing radiator etc etc
that is standard across all bikes bmw, ktm even hondas ;D
the other stuff normally does not go wrong - lets face it maybe 1 in 5000+ bikes will give a weird computer problem
and when it does you take it to the dealer other than that its all standard xt500 type stuff :thumleft:
Post by: Socket on November 03, 2010, 07:23:23 am
I am starting to like this bike and the more i look at it the more i like it!
Maybe the bike somehow supprize us all! :thumleft:
Post by: letsgofishing on November 03, 2010, 07:30:06 am
Quote from: the_BOBNOB on November 02, 2010, 10:30:18 pm
On the 650 TA, you have to take of the entire fairing - a REAL PITA - and remove the tank to clean the airfilter!!! >:(
DRZ - 3 Dzus fastners and Bob's your aunty! ;D
Post by: Battlestar on November 03, 2010, 07:30:45 am
Quote from: letsgofishing on November 02, 2010, 05:21:47 pm
I like it :thumleft: They going to have the same problem with as the ST with the weak rear Topbox rack tho. Looks a bit thin and weak but other than that Karoo dirt roads and the like hereeeeeeeeeeeeee we come :thumleft:
Post by: Hammerhead on November 03, 2010, 08:31:58 am
The 1200 does not look THAT bad!??
Reminds me of the GSA1200...
Post by: GRyPH on November 03, 2010, 12:09:48 pm
I have to say, I didnt like it in silver but in black, the 1200 really doesnt look bad.
would love to see the rest of the specs when its released eventually.
Post by: LouisXander on November 03, 2010, 01:06:20 pm
Lyk heeltemal OK vir my, prys gaan n faktor wees seker?
Post by: ChristoffGS on November 03, 2010, 01:28:24 pm
I guess this is just the smaller version of the 1200? Not very 'adventurous' if you ask me... Overall not bad looking though.
EDIT: My appologies, I see this was mentioned before in this thread, oh well, now you have another link :D
Post by: GRyPH on November 03, 2010, 01:30:58 pm
Riders keen on taking on the likes of Baviaanskloof on their two-wheelers needn’t lose interest though; Honda has also developed a more rugged version of the Crossrunner. This approach follows in the vein of Triumph’s 800 Tiger which has also been created as two versions of the same model (one road-orientated, the other meant to deal with demanding off-road terrain).
This can get interesting if they make it more rugged?
Post by: Snafu on November 03, 2010, 01:34:20 pm
Sucks to be you? Why?
Post by: Chrissie B on November 03, 2010, 01:49:54 pm
Oh how I love my Africa Twin.... I have been waiting for an updated version forever... and this is what they give us! The 1200 would be too big for me aanyway, but it doesn't look too bad... but that 782cc... it's just bloody ugly. I want an update Africa Twin, with the 21" front wheel, the rugget good looks, but with updated technology and a bit more power/top end.
So I guess I'll be riding my @ until the day it drops dead of exhaustion!
Post by: letsgofishing on November 03, 2010, 02:47:25 pm
This from Wheels 24:
"The bike, with its 782cc, liquid-cooled V4, is part of a new wave of dual-purpose bikes that have plenty of adventure appeal but aren’t designed to (well, hardly ever) really hit the dirt.
Honda has been stingy with detailed information about the two Crossrunner models and no mention has yet been made about special technology which underpins the concepts."
Well, well, well,.......
Post by: drewdza on November 03, 2010, 02:54:15 pm
mmmm....maybe there is hope after all.......another GS800 clone on the way perhaps?....waiting in anticipation, although the more I look at the Cross Tourer thing the more it grows on me......any idea where the radiators are on this thing? - side-mounted? or have they been moved to the front?
Post by: KiLRoy on November 03, 2010, 02:57:31 pm
Thing is - their 'off roader' in our terms really is a soft - rider (V-strom, Varadero) while their 'more road orientated' bike really is a road bike (like the new Tiger with 17inch front) - not?
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:13:19 pm
Quote from: KiLRoy on November 03, 2010, 02:57:31 pm
Thing is - their 'off roader' in our terms really is a soft - rider (V-strom, Varadero)
What makes this "softer" than a S-Ten / GS1200?
Post by: michnus on November 03, 2010, 03:20:01 pm
nee wat TR punt it and puff it like you want, Honda is not going to get anymore hardcore than the Transalp you rde. That thing looks like the 4tons it is. :biggrin:
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 03, 2010, 03:20:52 pm
Quote from: drewdza on November 03, 2010, 02:54:15 pm
mmmm....maybe there is hope after all.......another GS800 clone on the way perhaps?....
LOL, you Honda guys just love setting yourselves up for disappointment
Post by: michnus on November 03, 2010, 03:21:46 pm
Quote from: LuckyStriker on November 03, 2010, 03:20:52 pm
hulle smaak pyn stukkend :imaposer:
Post by: drewdza on November 03, 2010, 03:27:38 pm
Yip the GS800 was a disappointment I'll give you that ;) Lets hope Honda can do better :thumleft:
Post by: Berty77 on November 03, 2010, 03:29:11 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on October 14, 2010, 09:48:26 pm
As dit waar is, dan moet ek n meneer soos n swart pornstar he.
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:31:31 pm
Some guys will never like Honda. And yet, hulle hang op die Honda threads soos vlieë om 'n drol. ;D
Post by: michnus on November 03, 2010, 03:32:13 pm
Quote from: Ninja77 on November 03, 2010, 03:29:11 pm
Ja that is how TR try and talk a problem away, weight is weight is weight, as he is weighing over the limit of 100kg rating camping chair and cant' sit on it, but it is only a big dick problem according to him. :imaposer:
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:32:26 pm
Of dalk is jy net realisties met watter bikes in watter terrein pas. ;)
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:34:14 pm
I'm not the one waiting for someone to make a 1200cc MX bike that carries 30L of fuel and weighs 130kg.
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 03, 2010, 03:35:25 pm
double bluff: party mense met klein meneertjies koop klein bikes sodat almal moet dink hulle het brandweerslange so dik soos hul regter voorarm. skelm
There is nothing wrong with a large bike, no need to justify it to anyone. I still think the 1200GS has the edge when compared to other bikes in it's market segment and intended purpose
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:49:17 pm
Quote from: LuckyStriker on November 03, 2010, 03:35:25 pm
There is nothing wrong with a large bike, no need to justify it to anyone.
My punt was maar net dat ouens wat erg hardcore wil ry en kla oor 1200's na die verkeerde bike segment kyk. Daar is heelwat beter klas bikes vir die hardcore stuff.
Post by: Chrissie B on November 03, 2010, 03:59:32 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 03:49:17 pm
Like what? The only option is KTM, too expensive and too fast for technical stuff... The Africa Twin was the perfect for both jobs. I've done pretty rough terrain and toured 100's of kilo's on my @... but it's just a bit slow sometimes.
Post by: Berty77 on November 03, 2010, 04:03:46 pm
If it wasnt for dealers/aftersales/support then the Triumph 800 would have been THE DS bike. Sorry for jacking.
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 04:14:23 pm
Quote from: Chrissie B on November 03, 2010, 03:59:32 pm
Yes Chrissie but it's not 1200cc is it?
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 04:15:51 pm
In my humble opinion the best DS option on the market at the moment for the more hardcore type routes and overlanding trips is the 660Ten.
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 03, 2010, 04:18:20 pm
This is a big bloated fat-ass bike for big bloated fat ass guys like me.
We ride the bike cause we want to have the ability to go off on good dirt roads sometimes.
Sometimes we will have an unbearable rush of blood to the head and take the bike up some fucking mountainpass where the goats have given up due to bad traction.
When we are back on terra firma (i.e not slippery mud, sand, rocks, insect species and smaller mammals run over by the the fat-ass bike on the descent), we will then feel vindicated that it is a true dualsport hardcore big piel bike.
Then we form loose internet associations defending the utter awesomeness of the bike and pour scorn on the misguided souls who ride big fat-ass bikes of another brand.
I would really like the autobox option.
Post by: KobusL on November 03, 2010, 04:21:59 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 04:15:51 pm
It is a bit on the boring side though.
Post by: letsgofishing on November 03, 2010, 04:34:41 pm
Come on TR - you've got "contacts" at Honda - find out more about the Adventure version of the 800cc X-runner! ;)
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 05:07:15 pm
Quote from: letsgofishing on November 03, 2010, 04:34:41 pm
As soon as Michnus is gone! :D
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 05:08:05 pm
Quote from: Kola. on November 03, 2010, 04:21:59 pm
While doing hardcore type routes and overlanding?
Post by: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 05:10:27 pm
Quote from: The Purple Turtle on November 03, 2010, 04:18:20 pm
Have you ridden the VFR1200 yet?
I thought I would hate the "auto" option but I was surprised at how good it was. The Sport setting is where it's at on that bike though!
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 03, 2010, 08:37:08 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 05:10:27 pm
I LIKE the VFR auto- so much it might tempt me towards the roadie side!
Post by: KobusL on November 03, 2010, 08:50:58 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 03, 2010, 05:08:05 pm
Ek :pot: maar net
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on November 03, 2010, 08:54:40 pm
Ek sit hier dik van die lag! Hoeveel keer het ek al die woorde op WD forum gesien; "as die vervaardigers net die bike n bietjie meer hardcore wil maak".
Niemand sal die ding koop nie! Die mark soek krag en met krag kom gewig. Ek moet met YR saamstem, how's that for setting yourself up for disappointment!
D/S is dubbeldoelig, grond en teer. Ekself ry eerder stadig met die teerpad saam, om dan werklik myself te geniet as ek op die grondpad beland. Daarom is my ou XT vir my nommerpas, moontlik nog n bietjie swaar op 156KG, maar hanteerbaar.
Ek wens Yamaha en Suzuki wil kyk na nog TTR's en DR's in die 350 segment. Lekker lig met goeie krag en uitstekende suspensie en remme. Omdat fietse in die klas so ekonomies is hoef jou fiets ook nie soos n GS pregnant kameel te lyk nie.
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 04, 2010, 01:56:58 am
Well said...I'm going to print, laminate and hang this on my garage wall,,, right next to the 4 unpaid speeding fines dating back to 1997 !
Post by: Pistonpete on November 04, 2010, 06:17:50 am
Hell....next thing you know you'll be a pillion.... ;D
Post by: 2 Stroke Dan on November 04, 2010, 07:11:56 am
LuckyStriker, nothing wrong with a big bike and yes, you do not have to justify riding it. However, South Africans have this tendency to use things outside of their design parameters. A hyundai Atoz will be taken from CT to JHB and you'll have to hear about the discomfort on a long journey! I have been on several rides where there is a wide ranging array of bikes and I always end up thinking; "Are these guys on the big bikes, with sweat running down them and the bike getting damaged by the metre progressed, trying to prove something to someone or is that really what they must make do with. But something is preventing them from downscaling to something more manageable, which they will ultimately enjoy much more.
Keep the big bike for big roads, big boys!
Post by: Battlestar on November 04, 2010, 07:31:14 am
Quote from: 2 Stroke Dan on November 04, 2010, 07:11:56 am
I drove an Atoz from Durban to Capetown and it was brilliant :mwink:
Post by: Pistonpete on November 04, 2010, 07:32:35 am
Like you say Dan....some of us have to make do with what we have & just sweat it out :thumleft: I prefer the longer road anyway but i get to ride less often....compromise compromise!
Post by: Coala on November 04, 2010, 07:45:27 am
It is as if you KNOE ME
Post by: Socket on November 04, 2010, 08:22:02 am
When is someone gonna complain about the front wheel size?
Isn't that allways part of the complaints that we read in all these threads? :imaposer:
Just think about it if you don't like the bike then it is not designed for you and if you
have a 1200GS then you cant really complain because it is just as fat and heavy as this concept bike.
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 09:19:25 am
Al arguments against bikes of this size don't count for BMW GS's.
No-one knows why. I think Michnus said so :D
Post by: KobusL on November 04, 2010, 09:29:40 am
Quote from: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 09:19:25 am
The salesman said so too...and he knows...
Post by: KobusL on November 04, 2010, 09:57:27 am
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 10:00:45 am
Slightly from the front the bike does not seem so broad. No full frontal shots?
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2010, 10:04:37 am
I like it, especially from the front
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2010, 10:10:11 am
but can one make it look like this?
Post by: Eisbein on November 04, 2010, 10:11:22 am
It looks like someone at Honda stole the plans from the BMW headoffice for the 2012 GSA...
It is pretty - I'll give them that though.
Post by: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 10:13:00 am
Quote from: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 10:00:45 am
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2010, 10:15:38 am
Post by: Eisbein on November 04, 2010, 10:45:40 am
And that is why people with the bigger bikes should learn how to ride them properly and within certain limits or (said with respect) stay to the gravel highways (although even that doesn't work for some)
I'm not a riding guru - not by a long shot, but I know what I can and can't do and more importantly I know what my bike can or can't do with my hands on the bars.
There's a hell of a lot that these big ass GS' (and their cheap Japanese knock-offs * ) can do, but one must be under no misconception that these are do it all bikes.
I do find it interesting though that people look at a bike like this and automatically assume that it isn't a joyful experience taking it through the rough and even more so that it has to be a frighting and struggling experience.
I only fought my bike on one trip in the time that I've been riding big dualies and that was from Groenrivier to Hondeklip.
The rest of the time I kinda just go with it - decide if you can do it or not, then decide on how and then you go for it and let the bike do its thing.
This might sound like 'fyn brag' - it is not meant as such, but the truth for me is that I find the rougher roads relaxing.
Maybe I've just been on the wrong roads ;D ;D ;D
Again - I can't speak for anyone else - I just know how it is for me, but in my mind if you look up to instead of looking forward to being on the rougher roads then there's something wrong.
I initially did go for a big ass dualie because of my wife loving to go with and me loving having her around and the only bikes that can do that are litre class.
(Before I knew anything about these bikes the choices was purely based on price: a 1100GS or Varadero)
Back then it was a compromise but now I can't say for sure any more.
If I didn't have a wife who wanted to go with I would probably still have a GS (or super 10) - if you are going to be riding a 200kg+ bike you can just as well have 100+ HP at your disposal. And I do love the power. ;D ;D ;D
I've never been bothered by the 'I can go faster than you' crowd and I will eventually get there - I just need to take it slower for me and my bike's sake.
And you will never hear me complain about the bike.
Chances are you will almost always see me smiling and being happy to be out and about.
* :peepwall: :pot:
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2010, 11:05:05 am
It's starting to grow on me... It's slimmer than it looks
even in yesteryear's Africa Twin colours it looks okay (although it doesn't look right)
Post by: Eisbein on November 04, 2010, 11:07:36 am
The one cool thing about this is that the market seems to be opening up.
When the 12 eventually gets replaced there's now a Yam AND a Wing that I need to check out before making
Post by: Snafu on November 04, 2010, 11:22:13 am
I already have a pig in the adventure, one good reason why i cannot go back to my roots?
Come on Honda!!
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 12:36:53 pm
Now with views from all sides it doesn't look fat at all.
Starting to grow on me too. Black will be beautiful!
Post by: Battlestar on November 04, 2010, 12:40:09 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 12:36:53 pm
+1 im starting to like it allot :mwink:
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 04, 2010, 12:54:35 pm
Quote from: Battlestar on November 04, 2010, 12:40:09 pm
This is going to be a tough decision next year hopefully, Yamaha or Honda?
So where is Suzuki's 1200cc shaft-driven gravel higway machine?
(There is no 2010 V-Strom in the USA)
Post by: IDR on November 04, 2010, 01:01:51 pm
Don't forget the rumoured Tiger 1200:
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 04, 2010, 01:05:30 pm
Eish! Uglier than a Strom!! :biggrin:
Post by: IDR on November 04, 2010, 01:07:05 pm
Quote from: The Purple Turtle on November 04, 2010, 01:05:30 pm
Sheesh, that is a bold statement mate! :)
But it's a triple.... :drif:
Post by: The Purple Turtle on November 04, 2010, 01:14:55 pm
I would really like 4 cylinders.
Makes for a change.
So it looks like Honda it is....
Post by: Adventurer on November 04, 2010, 01:15:54 pm
Honda - single sided swingarm.
Yamaha - double swingarm.......Yamaha for me thanks.
Post by: Tommy Transalp on November 04, 2010, 01:23:42 pm
Quote from: IDR on November 02, 2010, 01:57:42 pm
An anvil is most probably lighter!
WTF is Honda up to?? ???
Post by: Snafu on November 04, 2010, 02:00:23 pm
Quote from: Adventurer on November 04, 2010, 01:15:54 pm
Tell me something new :)
Quote from: Tommy Transalp on November 04, 2010, 01:23:42 pm
Why oh why is weight such an issue?
If you are concerned about weight, buy a single cylinder!!
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 02:08:39 pm
Snafu they're talking about the 800 road bike there.
Post by: Tintin on November 04, 2010, 02:16:22 pm
I just think that beautiful curvey radiator is gonna get punctured in no time.... It looks very vulnerable.
At least the Super 10 has it's rad's well hidden from danger.
Not a problem on a GSA !!!
Post by: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 02:17:14 pm
The 800 has a single sided swingarm... ;)
Post by: Snafu on November 04, 2010, 02:20:35 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 02:08:39 pm
The 800 is not worth discussing, it compares to the TDM...road bike!
Post by: Socket on November 04, 2010, 02:36:06 pm
Maybe we should start discussing the BMW F800R the R1200R or the K1300R i mean they will be destroyed on a gravel road never mind full off road.
i think it is k@k bikes what was BMW thinking
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 04, 2010, 02:39:20 pm
Here's another link that has better photo's; front and rear and the usual side shots.
Interesting indeed, but is it a 800 or 1200... RHS shot of clutch cover looks like the 1200 .. ?
Post by: LuckyStriker on November 04, 2010, 02:40:01 pm
Quote from: Tintin on November 04, 2010, 02:16:22 pm
I believe side mounted rads are more prone to damage, especially if you moer over into a twiggy bush
Post by: Adventurer on November 04, 2010, 02:40:52 pm
A mate of mine had a bolt thrown up from a car, holed his 1200GS radiator.....went no further....
Post by: drewdza on November 04, 2010, 02:48:25 pm
All this speculation, commentary, dissing etc and no-one here has actually "seen" either the Cross-Runner (in whatever shape/s) or the Cross-Tourer, never mind touched, felt, smelled, sat on or (heaven forbid) actually ridden them..... :o We dont even have any specs yet.
(Kinda like what preceded the SuperTen launch....and look what Yamaha delivered).
Don't stop though - very interesting reading...... ;D
Post by: Adventurer on November 04, 2010, 02:51:56 pm
Quote from: drewdza on November 04, 2010, 02:48:25 pm
Yup, Triumph made the same cardinal error as Yamaha by not first consulting with the Wilddogs before designing their latest offering.....
But as you say, Yamaha seemed to do ok without us.... :biggrin:
Post by: Buks on November 04, 2010, 03:45:58 pm
:lamer: Based on the pics available and my own experience with Honda products over the years, I think this is going to be one hellavu HYPER DS BIKE !!!
Post by: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 04:18:16 pm
No one's discussed how it might be a (big?) improvement on the Varadero - what think the Vara owners?
Post by: Eisbein on November 04, 2010, 04:32:50 pm
Quote from: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 04:18:16 pm
I don't know what I'm talking about, but the Varadero was very 'front heavy'.
This one might just be more neutral judging by the pics.
Does Honda 1200 have tjoopless as well ?
That plus a shaft to me ticks the right boxes...
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 05:14:37 pm
Looking at the other 1200's in Honda's stable this bike is not likely to be cheap.
Post by: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 05:43:00 pm
Quote from: Eisbein on November 04, 2010, 04:32:50 pm
Tjoopless it is captain! ;D
Post by: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 05:43:47 pm
Quote from: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 05:14:37 pm
How much is a 1200GS? R140k?
Post by: Trailrider on November 04, 2010, 05:56:20 pm
Quote from: letsgofishing on November 04, 2010, 05:43:47 pm
Not sure? With crash bars etc?
I think it's R150 - 170k? Or is that the GSA? ???
Post by: Captain Zef on November 04, 2010, 07:37:02 pm
My volgende bike is 'n Honda Varadero...... no bullshit....
Een vir so R50k.
Die BMW moet nou eers gaan.
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on November 04, 2010, 07:58:22 pm
The 'dero is an excellent two up tourer, no doubt...apart from a vibe from the engine that's solved with an Airhawk seat.
Off road it's another story, IMO, it's seriously top heavy and one feels the weight on the front tyre. I'm 1.81m and quite fit, yet was unable to catch it on stopping at a petrol station (BP, Riviersonderend, N2) she just fell over into a flower box with me on it, OK I was crawling forward but still...
The new V4 model may just have the right ergonomics to be an excellent off roader but it will be plenty expensive...