Posted in: Craven Week, Squads, Stats 90 Thoughts on “SA Schools team results 2014 vs England u18, France u18 & Wales u18” RBugger on 14 August, 2014 @ 16:04 Jaco Coetzee named Captain of the SA Schools side – fantastic achievment, well done to him and his family
GreenBlooded on 14 August, 2014 @ 16:44 Jaco!!!!! Fantastic!!!! I think I’m correct in saying he is only the second SA Schools skipper for Glenwood – the other being Derek la Marque in 1979. GO GREEN!!
Playa on 14 August, 2014 @ 16:54 Congratulations to Jaco, and all the best in leading these fellows in the upcoming ‘test series’.
kosie on 14 August, 2014 @ 17:53 @Playa: Good point. Why not have the SA schools not play the main curtain raiser for the Test on Saturday?
TheGoose on 14 August, 2014 @ 19:27 @kosie: Great idea re the curtain raiser
beet on 14 August, 2014 @ 19:49 @kosie: Me might be asking too much of SARU to arrange something that obvious.
kosie on 14 August, 2014 @ 21:32 @beet: Yeah that would be asking too much from SARU to even contemplate a SA schools team playing a curtain raiser before a test.
Djou on 14 August, 2014 @ 22:11 For those who want the run-on team as per Saru:
Queenian on 15 August, 2014 @ 05:54 @Playa: Poor Keanu Vers must be devastated to recorded as being at Menlo Park and the Blue Bulls poor kid might get a complex. Reply
kosie on 15 August, 2014 @ 06:03 @Queenian: Are the schools as indicated when they left to get together for the gamer or after they return to school?
4x4 on 15 August, 2014 @ 06:32 Vrydag is weer ‘n halwe dag op kantoor….en dan braai en skoleseun rugga….moeilik om in SA te bly!
Grasshopper on 15 August, 2014 @ 07:38 Huge congrats to Chidoma too, Northwoods first SA Schools rugby player in a while…
MikeSt on 15 August, 2014 @ 07:57 Congrats to Jaco on his selection as Captain and good luck to the boys for today.
Playa on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:10 @TheGoose: @beet: If my memory does not deceive me, I recall that in 1999 & 2000 the SA Schools vs SA Academy games were curtain raisers to some Tri-Nations games.
Playa on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:10 @Queenian: Reply
Woltrui on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:13 That is one massive tight 5. I am sure the tight 5 are heavier than the current Bok teams tight 5? Big backline as well. Jaits! Go boys! Reply
CharlesZA on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:25 Anyone got the team sheet for the WP XV?
Greenwood on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:30 Well Done Jaco -very proud of you !!!
CharlesZA on 15 August, 2014 @ 08:31 Ok, found the team DHL WP Under-18 Craven Week XV:
Ploegskaar on 15 August, 2014 @ 09:05 @CharlesZA: Bar a few obvious merit selections, this is a typical WPRU lucky packet of favoritism, nepotism, ineptitude and comedy. Farcical at the best of times, it is no wonder that the WP Circus headed up by a motley crew of clowns are leaking so much young talent every year and continues to struggle at senior level.
CharlesZA on 15 August, 2014 @ 09:09 @Ploegskaar: Do you know from which school all of these guys are? It seems that there are a few Gim and Stellenberg players seeing as they not playing this weekend.
Queenian on 15 August, 2014 @ 10:24 @kosie: Maybe were they going look at Fortuin says Southdowns or other words the Pretoria wing of Queens. Reply
BuffelsCM on 15 August, 2014 @ 10:34 @CharlesZA:
Ploegskaar on 15 August, 2014 @ 12:07 @BuffelsCM: That particular player has decided not take part in trials next year. Disappointment is definitely part of a youngster’s learning curve, but as he has had to put up with this type of treatment on numerous occasions over the past 2/3 years, so I certainly don’t blame him. Having to deal with social politics is bad enough, having to deal with school rugby politics is asking too of such a young man.
kosie on 15 August, 2014 @ 12:39 @Ploegskaar: I agree with you regarding messing kids around. Why invite somebody just to tell them they may go. Don’t waste people’s time. Surely they knew what they wanted.
BuffelsCM on 15 August, 2014 @ 12:41 @Ploegskaar: One certainly can’t blame the player for deciding not to take part in the trials next year.
Ploegskaar on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:07 @kosie: If anyone takes exception, then it was intended for them, if anyone is offended, they can BEEP off as well. And that is just about as restrained and diplomatic as I will be about this and similar matters in future.
Ploegskaar on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:14 @BuffelsCM: In the spirit of this blog, all I will add is that he fits the profile of a Bulls player perfectly.
CharlesZA on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:14 Anyone watching the game? Score?
Pinotage on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:22 @Ploegskaar:
Tigger on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:26 @Greenwood: Thats correct. Really feel for him as this must be a terrible letdown after being selected. We are also going to miss his superb attacking runs.
Djou on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:27 @Kosie @Ploegskaar: The BEEP-law was a so called “cure” to the black death that wiped out almost half of the European population.
Ploegskaar on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:33 @Pinotage: Sal beslis daardie rooie sink en more ontspan terwyl ek die Boere teen die Rose kyk. Geniet julle games teen MC, sal hom PVR en later kyk.
Vra maar net on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:46 @ou ploegie. Ek ondersteun jou sentiment 100%. Gaan self more Brugstraat toe waar al ons spanne krieket telling gaan optel by hulle. Miskien moet jy saam met daardie rooi ‘n lekker dik rump op die kole sit – medium to rare
Vra maar net on 15 August, 2014 @ 13:49 @ou Ploegie. Ek ondersteun jou sentiment 100%. Ek vergaap my jaarliks by die proewe aan die keurders se “belangrikheid”. Ek self gaan more Brugstraat toe waar al ons spanne kriekettelling daar gaan kry. Saam met daardie rooie moet jy ‘n ramp op die kole sit – lekker dik medium to rare
Maroon on 15 August, 2014 @ 14:49 @Ploegskaar: sien jou môre by Markotter.
Greenwood on 15 August, 2014 @ 15:40 Ploegskaar
Grasshopper on 15 August, 2014 @ 16:36 SA Schools looking like they just met each other, understandable really. Will get better…
Woltrui on 15 August, 2014 @ 16:41 BOKKIES 14-13 Franse. Halftyd. Goeie telling. Ons het teen n sterk wind gespeel. Curwin Bosch briljant. Altwee die bokke se driee aangevoer. Ons skrums lyk goed.
Woltrui on 15 August, 2014 @ 16:43 Wanneer gaan die organiseerders besef die Kaap se weer is s%÷t. Hierdie wedstryde hoort in die Noord-Vaal.
Woltrui on 15 August, 2014 @ 17:29 Full time 28-13 for the Bokkies. Curwin Bosch my man of the match. Garsies hooker Henning also very impressive. Good win for the bokkies.
Woltrui on 15 August, 2014 @ 17:31 @Woltrui: Garsies hooker Henning-Campher.
RBugger on 15 August, 2014 @ 17:36 Curwin Bosch will make it as a pro, he has it, brilliant rugby player. What happened to Jaco, injured again?
BoishaaiPa on 15 August, 2014 @ 20:37 Not very impressed…very average..Bosch the only stand out.
Grasshopper on 15 August, 2014 @ 21:27 Not blown away really, Bosch and Keyter quite good. Hopefully they wake up for the 2nd game…can’t expect too much as they have just been thrown together when France has played 6 nations together already…
CHS08 on 15 August, 2014 @ 21:44 I wasn’t impressed either gentlemen. That is a very big pack. Goodness me these kids.
kwartlyn on 15 August, 2014 @ 21:50 @Ploegskaar: Ek voel vir daardie seun om so edoen verneder te word is sleg, maar dit is die nuwe wending in SA die by elke provinsie. In elke provinsie is daar so seun wat so voel glo my ek ken persoonlik vier ander seuns wat soorgelyke situasie hulself bevind het slegs n paar weke terug. Ons vra altyd hoekom word n skeidsregter bygekom en ek is bevrees nie lank van nou af gaan dit met keurders ook gebeur. Ek wag ook vir die dag wanneer daar strafregtelik teen sulke persone opgetree gaan word en dit le ook om die draai. Hierdie ringkoppe speel met n jong seun se loopbaan.
disa on 16 August, 2014 @ 09:12 Stadig nou met al die aantygings en moet ASSEBLIEF nie al die junior spanne van die WP onder dieselfde kam skeer nie. Die o/13 CW speel die afgelope ses jaar al in die finaal op CW waarvan die laaste twee jaar gewen is. Dui dit op neopotisme??? Ek betwyfel dit baie sterk. Hierdie jaar se o/13 CW kom uit 18 verskillende skole. As daar dan nou kamstige swak keuses gemaak word hoe de duiwel kry hulle dit dan reg om so suksesvol te wees? Nee wat. Dit begin deur die regte spelers te kies wat daar hoort op meriete. Geniet julle dag se rugby.
BoishaaiPa on 16 August, 2014 @ 21:52 @Woltrui: Soos vandag se weer in Tswane?…Gister was daar net bietjie wind..vandag heerike weer in die Kaap…Nuweland se gras gaan mooi groei want daar het n klomp bulle vandag daarop gek….Sommer 3 spanne in n ry… Reply
BOG on 17 August, 2014 @ 06:48 The question? How many school sides in SA would give the “SA schools” side a hammering? Answer, “MANY” Is it the fault of the selected players? Absolutely not. The fault lies squarely with the “faceless” fools who select these boys, for reasons known only to themselves. Mistakes are made, yes, but such blatant favouritism is a disgrace.
Grasshopper on 17 August, 2014 @ 08:01 @BOG: Isn’t that a bit obvious when school sides have been playing together for 5 years, they know each other and the way they play. The SA Schools side is a Barbarian type of side, never going to beat settled sides. I reckon any of the Top 20 sides could beat them. Why don’t we just play Grey Bloem (No1 side) vs England etc..
Woltrui on 17 August, 2014 @ 08:12 @BoishaaiPa: Ek bly seker 12 Km Noord van Loftus en ons het nie ‘n druppel reen gehad nie. Murphy’s Law. Moet se ek kies darem enige tyd van die dag n Hoeveld donderstorm in die namiddag as die Kaap van Storms se weer Jip die Bulle het gehop. Vermoed daar is groter probleme as waarvan Jan Publiek bewus is in die Bulkraal. Reply
Woltrui on 17 August, 2014 @ 08:18 @BOG: @Grasshopper: Don’t agree with you. There is not a school in SA who would come even close to beating the SA schools side. Not even close. They beat a strong team in difficult conditions. The Frenchies are’nt total palookas. We had the beating of them through out the match.
kosie on 17 August, 2014 @ 08:19 @Grasshopper: For me SA schools is the ultimate goal schoolboys can normally achieve. That should remain.
Rugbyman on 17 August, 2014 @ 09:14 @Woltrui: vir eenkeer stem ek met jou saam… iets baie dieper is fout…
spot on 17 August, 2014 @ 11:27 @Grasshopper: I have a lot of respect for GCB and their achievements. But to expect of them to take on National sides is a bit unfair. Set the bar a bit lower, like Grey PE. Any of the Top 20 schools can take on and beat the SA Schools team? Not a snowball’s chance. Rather pick a team from those schools and i am sure they will be competitive. That is the nature of the talent in SA. Ask 10 “experts” on this blog to pick a squad of 28 boys from the 100’s available, and you will get 10 different teams.
BOG on 17 August, 2014 @ 11:30 @Woltrui: If you are so impressed with Tshwanes weather, Im not surprised in the least that you are impressed by this “SA schools” side. Must be all the Bull players- the Bull side which lost before and during CW, but ends up with 9 players in the squad.@Rugbyman: Sekerlik baie dieper. Die sg “keurders” moet nou en dan miskien n rugbywedstryd bywoon. @Grasshopper: In fact, I think that any school in the “Top 20”, will give them a pasting, while any in the “top 50”, could surprize them.
BOG on 17 August, 2014 @ 11:38 @spot: Taking nothing away from Grey High- they beat GCB fairly and squarely. Absolutely no complaints whatsoever. But they played out of their skin on the day. But I would dare say, if they had played 10 matches, GCB would win 9. A national side , certainly does not mean the strongest side. Apart from the obvious social considerations, there are the normal “wrong” selections and this team has more than the usual “quota”
GreenBlooded on 18 August, 2014 @ 05:46 Kenny van Niekerk from Glenwood has reportedly been drafted into the SA Schools team. Thats 3 for GW!! GO KENNY!! GO GREEN!!
Cappie on 18 August, 2014 @ 11:15 @spot: I also don’t think any school team would beat the national team. The national team has the top players in every position. It is maybe not the nr1’s, but it is definitely within top 4, whilst in the school system, there are always weaker players in certain positions that will be targeted. It is like saying Ikkeys, the best club team would beat the Boks. Cannot see it happen!
Cappie on 18 August, 2014 @ 11:22 @BOG: Ek kan sien jy is nog baie omgekrap omdat Grey, wat waarskynlik die beste eerste span het, nie meer teenwoordigers in die groep het nie, maar om enigsins te dink hulle gaan die talentvolle nationale span wen, is bietjie suur druiwe. Jammer ou maat.
BOG on 18 August, 2014 @ 13:50 @Cappie: jy moet miskien weer gaan Lees wat ek gese het. Ek het nie net van gcb gepraat nie, maar vele skolespanne. Self’s affies sal n kans staan. En moenie wilde gevolgtrekkings maak nie-ek propageer nie vir die insluiting van gcb spelers nie. Alhoewl hulle as n eenheid goed vertoon het, is daar nie juis iemand wie sy hand as individu opgesteek het nie. Maar dan weer, is rugby n spansport en beteken individuele briljantheid nie veel nie. Talent volleyball span? Ek hoop maar hulle stel dit ten toon. En daar is n groot verskil tussen objektiewe eerlikheid en suur druiwe.
BOG on 18 August, 2014 @ 13:53 @Cappie: spell check! Talentvolle en nie volleyball nie. Aan die ander kant, miskien n”profetiese” fout.
Cappie on 18 August, 2014 @ 14:09 @BOG: Ek aanvaar jou opinie, maar ek kan nie sien hoe enige skoolspan in die wêreld die SA nasionale span kan wen nie. Nie hierdie jaar nie. Ek aanvaar dat die heel bestes dalk nie in elke posisie gekies is nie, maar die wat gekies is, is goed genoeg om nie net enige skoolspan nie, maar ook enige Provinsiale span te klop. Daar is genoeg talent. Hulle volgende wedstryd sal klaar baie beter wees as die een teen die Franse.
Playa on 18 August, 2014 @ 15:14 @GreenBlooded: I hear Warren Whiteley has flown to Argentina to replace Willem Alberts (humble pie for me ). Never thought Heyneke had the balls to do it. Maybe he does read this blog – or has someone reading it for him.
GreenBlooded on 18 August, 2014 @ 17:39 http://www.schoolsportsnews.co.za/rugby/sa-schools-change-plenty/
Mike on 18 August, 2014 @ 22:52 What a massive pity Keanu Vers is being picked at left wing. Hein Kriek of all people should know how good he is at fullback after Keanu’s performance at the Markotter earlier this year.
rugbyfan on 19 August, 2014 @ 05:28 @Mike: Ye agree what a pity they picked Vers at wing he is by far the best fullback in this squad and they pick him out of position what a shocker. In the 1st game Bosch single handed won the game.
Grasshopper on 19 August, 2014 @ 08:12 Huge pity Morne Joubert is injured, he would have been a great pick at 15 and could have shown what he really can do…..oh well….
vatikaki on 20 August, 2014 @ 04:47 Beat Wales 40 to 15… So the question needs to be asked
Babbelas on 20 August, 2014 @ 07:15 Baie beter spel deur SA Skolespan maar weer was ook baie beter vir goeie rugby. In laaste game Saterdag teen Engeland behoort die beste span nou te speel na dat almal ‘n kans gekry het in die 1 ste 2 games! Sal interessant wees om die span te sien! Wat van:
Pedantic on 20 August, 2014 @ 07:52 @Babbelas: I think England will struggle against that team – Just one change for me – IMHO Papier was easily the better 9.
kosie on 20 August, 2014 @ 08:00 @Babbelas: Having scrutinised both games I would agree with your team with 3 changes. I would play Campher at 2 (his work rate was beter for me), at 3 I would play Smit (I believe he had a better game against beter opposition although he suffered in the last couple of minutes he played, Prinsloo suffered for longer in the first game or play each for a half) and 9 I would play Papier.
spot on 20 August, 2014 @ 11:13 @Babbelas: Yep, sien nie veel fout met daai span nie. Maar Papier MOET speel. Ek wil nie sy goeie eienskappe noem nie. Hier is net nie genoeg plek op die blog nie.
Cappie on 20 August, 2014 @ 17:17 @spot: Stem saam met jou, Papier is goed. Hy en Tinus de Beer het ‘n goeie wedstryd saam gehad teen Wallis. Ek sal nie daai kombinasie breuk nie.
Predator on 20 August, 2014 @ 18:54 Was by gister se game op Outeniqua park in George. Ons was heeltemal te sterk vir Walles,…die score moes groter gewees het. Ek glo dat Bosch ‘n beter aanvallende loskakel as de Beer is. Bosch was skaars 5 minute op die veld toe breek hy van sy kwartgebied af tot in Walles se kwartgebied. Onvoorspelbare, op die ingewing rugbytalent wat so mooi is om na te kyk. Die span het as ‘n eenheid goed vertoon, alhoewel ek meer van die skrums verwag het. Zandberg het baie goed gespeel. Jt Jackson het die lyn ‘n paar keer mooi gebreek, maar sy verdediging is nie goed nie, nogal jammer want hy is ‘n groot seun wat die opposisie in flarde behoort te tackle. Sal ook eerder Vers op heelagter wou sien. Lekker om die room van skole rugby te sien saamspeel.
Babbelas on 21 August, 2014 @ 08:28 @Predator: Stem saam, Jackson is ‘n skitterende aanvaller maar hy sal moet werk aan sy verdediging. Blykbaar is hy nou eers in Gr11 so daar is nog baie tyd om te verbeter!
rugbyfan on 21 August, 2014 @ 08:45 It is hard to say who the better players are the team that played Wales had a lot easier time so you cannot say they were better.
spot on 22 August, 2014 @ 17:02 @Babbelas: Well done. Your team was spot on, although some are starting from the bench. Jaco Coetzee the Captain would have been an obvious pick if he did not get injured again. So you are given that one.
Babbelas on 23 August, 2014 @ 08:51 @spot: Thanks, the team:
Babbelas on 23 August, 2014 @ 08:54 Bosch will be more lethal from 15 wher he has time and space. For a tight game against England you need Thinus de Beer, he does not miss often. Also Marco J v Vuuren is the better nr 9 under pressure.
kosie on 23 August, 2014 @ 09:24 @Babbelas: Jou gevoel was spot on ou maat. Dit gaan maar ‘n taai game wees en sal die vorries moet beheer neem.
Mike on 23 August, 2014 @ 13:45 So unbelievably proud of the 3 Grey boys making the starting team. Well done Curwin, Keanu and Junior. All three of you deserve it.
BOG on 24 August, 2014 @ 08:14 En??? Laat ek dit nou anders stel. Indien daar nie ten minste 20 skolespanne in SA is wat hierdie “SA skolespan”sal wen nie, is skolerugby net so diep in die moeilikheid as sy senior eweknie. Dit dan selfs teen die agtergrond dat skolerugby in Engeland, maar relatief beperk beoefen word.
Babbelas on 24 August, 2014 @ 17:58 Ons was gewen deur ‘n BAIE groter Engeland span, hulle het ons fisies oorheers. Dink Wiese groot nr 7 moet in die begin span gewees het! Goeie grote is altyd beter as ‘n goeie kleintjie!
BOG on 24 August, 2014 @ 19:46 @Babbelas: Eerstens, het Sa verloor teen Engeland, waar belangstelling in skolerugby maar laag is. Di n realiteit. As jy die wedstryd gekyk het, sou jy darem seker ook gemerk het dat dit n spansport is, en kennis geneem van die resultate deur die hele seisoen. Ook dat hulle die meerderheid van n span gevorm het wat die Bulls oorwin het, n span wat 9 spelers opgelewer het. ??? Laastens, daag ek jou uit om vir my te wys waar ek die insluiting van GCB spelers gepropageer het.
Babbelas on 25 August, 2014 @ 07:33 @BOG: Die laaste paar jare het Engeland baie sterk onder 20 spanne gehad so dis geen verassing dat hulle mededingend sou wees in die onder 18 toernooi nie! Ver al nie as jy kyk nou grote van hul spelers nie!
Bosveldpa on 25 August, 2014 @ 07:49 Alhoewel dit veronderstel was om die beste spelers uit skole regoor SA te gewees het wat dan ‘n span opmaak wat die land moet verdedig, moet ek sê dat dit wat op my TV skermpie gewys het, daar in die laeveld, dit beslis nie gereflekteer het nie.
valke on 25 August, 2014 @ 08:20 @Babbelas: I have to disagree with you about the size argument. Everytime a team struggle we hear about size. Kolbe, and others, are proving on a weekly basis that size does not matter.
BOG on 25 August, 2014 @ 09:56 @Babbelas: hulle is groot genoeg, maar net nie sterk genoeg nie. Vaardighede outbreak. Ek gryp nou syfers uit die lug, maar sa het seker 10 keer soveel spelers as England. Maar hulle het Vaardighede, wat in sa beperk is tot nu paar skole. As jy my nie glo nie, vra vir brendon venter of vir Murray mexted . Moet lees: ontbreek
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