Axle and Diff information - Hilux 4x4 Forum
Axle and Diff information
Seeing that we did discuss this ages ago and the questions come up again but the original posts get lost in the volumes on the forum I am starting this as a new sticky.
Import / Toyota Axle:
It was found on 4x4 Hiluxes up to about 92
It does not have a inspection lid on the rear of the pumpkin thus to inspect the diff or crown wheel the complete 3rd member must be removed from the front.
The side shafts are thicker and insert into the diff with 30 splines.
They are generally regarded as stronger.
Locker options include:
-Toyota Electric Locker
Local / Gearmax axle:
It is found on South African Hiluxes from about 92/3 up to now.
It does have a inspection lid on the rear of the pumpkin thus the diff or crown wheel can be inspected from the rear without removing the complete 3rd member.
The side shafts are thinner and insert into the diff with 27 splines
They are generally regarded as not as strong as the Import ones.
Thi info I copied from a article I did long ago.
In all vehicles, the driving wheels are attached to axles that facilitate power delivery to the wheels. Most vehiclesâ€™ axles contain a differential in the centre of the axle to allow the differences in rotational speeds between the left and right wheels to be absorbed or cancelled out. This difference in speeds occur when the vehicle does not move in a straight line and the wheel inside the turn move slower due to a shorter path travelled compared to the outer wheel that travels a longer path.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:41 am
Can you clarify on the which Lux's had which diff ratio and why?
(I understand that the 2.2 had the 4.88:1 diffs, but didn't the 2.8D have 4.1:1 or something?)
I need a SFA with a 4.1:1 ratio, and I don't know if such an animal was sold as standard.
Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:39 am
Hmm Dunno the ratios of the different models, someone else might have to help here.
Calling Professor Simon Morris or Professor Blommie who else might know?
Dankie Bennie, dit was nou baie handig, maar net soos Jakes daar vra, sal ek ook wil weet wat die ratios op die veskillende modelle en import teenoor local.
As ek reg verstaan het jy ook n local diff ne? met n G-max difflock? enige probleme al. tot n mate is ek bly ek die local diff, ek soek n selekteerbare lock, en kani n ARB bekostig vir n import diff nie, maar sien kans vir n Gearmax in n local diff.
According to my brochure on the first IFS models, the following details are provided:
2700i LWB 4x4 Raider: 4.556
3000D LWB 4x4 Raider: 4.875
3000D LWB 4x2 raised Body Raider: 4.875
2700i LWB 4x4 SRX: 4.556
2000 LWB 4x2 SR: 4.111
SINGLE CAB 4x4 & 4x2 RAISED BODY:
2700i LWB 4x4 R/B Raider: 4.556
3000D LWB 4x2 R/B Raider: 4.875
2700i LWB 4x4: 4.556
3000D LWB 4x4: 4.556
3000D LWB 4x2 R/B: 4.556
2000 LWB 4x2: 4.111
2400D LWB 4x2: 4.111
2400D SWB 4x2: 4.111
1800 SWB 4x2: 4.556
jakeslouw wrote: Thanks, Bennie.
The 2.2 DC featured in the SA 4x4 Road test of the 1992 Raider (refer the Road Test here: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=2109 ) stated the final drive as being 4.875:1.
Have no idea about the Diesel models. Has anyone perhaps got more road tests of the older Hilux's that we can include here?
I have posted some info regarding the first IFS series Final drive ratios above
Jis Bennie nou is ek so happy soos 'n chappy
Ek het gaan kyk na die ilistrasie van die diff en vir die eerstekeer in my lewe verstaan ek hoe 'n voortuig se dif werk
Maar wil nog weet hoekom 'n 4x4 se voor en agter diffs nie die selfde is nie of het ek dit mis gelees hier bo
Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:39 am
Hey Piesang, ja die diffs issie dieselfde nie, een is voor en een is agter!
Nee, eintlik wil ek weet wat jy bedoel met jou vraag: wil jy weet hoekom die Solid Front Axle diff nie soos die agter diff lyk nie?
Of wil jy weet hoekom die Independent Front Suspension diff nie lyk soos die agter diff nie?
Nee ek verstaan dit dalk verkeerd , maar ek lees gereeld dat julle praat van voor en agter rat verhoudings wat nie die selfde is nie. Wat bedoel julle met dit .
Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:01 am
As die voor en agter diff rat verhoudings nie diselfde is nie, dan het of Toyota of die vorige eienaar *a* aangejaag!
Op 'n 4x4 moet die voor- en agter-diffs dieselfde ratverhouding he^, anders is dit logical dat as jy in 4x4 ry met die transfer boks in 4H of 4L, sal die wiele op een diff vinniger draai as die wiele op die ander diff. Dit veroorsaak "drive train wind up": hierdie opwen kan jou dryfaste (propshafts) en diffs beskadig en breek. "Wind up" gebeur ook op standaard voertuie, maar net effens en net in sekere omstandighede, en die "wind up" word ge-normaliseer deur effense "wheel spin".
Ou Land Rover Series voertuie met die dun side-shafts en min splines op die shafts het gereeld side-shafts gebreek a.g.v hierdie opwen van die komponente: LR het toe later groter side-shafts ingesit, en toe ook gegaan vir 'n "centre diff" by die transfer boks wat die opwen tussen voor en agter diffs kon normaliseer. Dis hoekom 1984 en aan Discoverys, Range Rovers en Defenders permanent 4WD kon loop. Dis ook hoekom 'n Defender met voor en agter lockers omtrent onstuitbaar is: die middel diff kan ook gesluit word.
Die wind-up is ook een van die redes hoekom jy NOOIT jou voor hubs moet sluit en 4x4 moet loop op teer paaie nie: niks wheel-spin en ne^rens waar die wind-up kan gaan nie......neuk ten minste jou bande op, en sal jou prop-shafts en diffs beskadig.
Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:01 am
Jakes dankie dis hoe ek ook geredeneer het en nie kon verstaan dat iemand praat van voor en agter verskul nie. Het toe net gereken dal gebruik hul voor 'n kleiner pinon as met minder rattande as agter en dan moet die ander daarby aanpas. Dan sou ek wou weet hoekom dunner voor as agter, maar nou kanseleer dit uit dankie.
Net gou ietsie op toy diffs
Die 4.88 soos oubaas eric se is 2.2 en 2.4
Sterk S/S hafts die import diff het ons die pinions se nekke omgedraai(klein pinions wat hom swak maak)
crownweel diameter 8" daarvandaan die bynaam toy8"
Die gearmax toy was nooit 'n opsie (alles breek somme gelyk)
Die ring en pinions kan net met 4.88 verfang word(niks anders pas)
4.56 was en is nog altyd die ultimate om in die hande te kry.
hier het jy die opsie om aftermarket ratios te kry(van die US) jip die cariers verskil van die 4.88
4.1 is moerse skaars en as jy hom kry, soek eers vir die voor as met 'n 4.1 ratio alvorens jy opgewonde raak
die gearmax M77 diff is beter as die toy gearmax diff S/S is effe sterker en die ratios is dieselfde(kom uit 'n isuzu)
Die ultimate vir toy is egter diue nuwe Colt bakkie se agteras Ratio is 4,876 en die crownweel is 9" (lekke sterk)
maar die geheim is in die colt S/Shafts (bosbere) al en al is dit die beste roep (cheap) en hy kom standaar met factory locker
blom wrote: Net gou ietsie op toy diffs
4.1 is hengse skaars en as jy hom kry, soek eers vir die voor as met 'n 4.1 ratio alvorens jy opgewonde raak
My Kz gaan nou omgebou word na 4x4. Sou daar pyne wees met die agterste diff vorentoe, kan ek die Colt se side shafts en/of diff in sit?
Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:39 pm
die colt S/S sal glad nie in die Luxie pas nie
Maak maar net seker die ratios is reg
gaan jy sfa of ifs?
blom wrote: T
IFS, moet nog elke dag met hom ry ook...
Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:06 am
Can someone please confirm what the standard diff ratios are for this vehicle?
Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:17 am
4.875 or 4.88 as gearmax calls it.
Only the 2.8 diesel had a 4.55 ratio.
Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:32 pm
so how does one check the GR on your diff.
is there a marking on the diff somewhere?
You should have a local diff in the back, check at the bottom of the left hand side "web" about 10cm behind the propshaft flange is a red & silver plate with all the details.
Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:26 pm
Thanks Allan. Can you advise if the import diff also had the same ratios>
Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:38 pm
Ratios are the same, import opens from the front, local from the rear.
All front diffs are import.
Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:37 am
Sorry, one more question. Are the sideshafts interchangeable from import diff to local diff? Do they have the same number of splines? If not, how many splines on the import & how many on the local?
All sideshafts are different, in size and left to right
Sfa local: 27 Splines
Sfa import: 30 Splines
Ifs local; 29 splines
Ifs import 30 splines
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Reason for asking is I have a '97 22R with the local diff minus locker. Am about to buy a set of axles & from the pic it looks as if the rear axle is the import. I have a brand new ARB locker I brought in form Oz which I want to fit to the import diff & then install that into the Lux.
On a business note something you might be able to assist with is the leaf spring mounting (front bracket welded to the chassis)on the rear right seems to have been 'squashed' resulting in the vehicle hanging low at the rear right by about 20mm. Is this a simple fix & can you do it?
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:11 pm
2.4D is 4.875.So you know.
Hi al julle slim diff manne
Ek wil graag weet of daar n verskil is tussen die DC/Raider4x4 1998/99 se diff en die van die later 2005/on se diff Ek het gemerk dat die speed sensors op n ander plek sit as met die 1998 model maar die E-locker en die res van die diff lyk op die oog af die selfde
dir rede waarom ek wil weet is omdat ek tans besig is met n totaale drive train replacement na n ongelukkige voorval met n propshaft wat gevaal het en die ratkas sowel as die diff verwoes het "R60 000," later gelukkig dankie vir die insurance hoef ek nie te betaal nie.
ek het net opgemerk dat die ratkas en voor diff van die nuwer generasie hilux 4x4s wel merkbaar verskil in die dat inplaas van offset na regs die nuwer hilux se diff voor offset na links sit en derhalwe die ratkas se transfer-case ook omgekeerd is na links
is daar iemand wat dalk meer inligting kan gee of dit wenslik sal wees om die agter dif van n nuwe gen hilux op n ouer 2.7i raider DC4x4 te gebruik .
Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:47 am
Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:46 am
Ek dink die man wat jou kan help is Hoppy
Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:54 am
Die as sal pas, maar met die ratio's gaan daar miskien n probleem wees.
Kan iemand dalk vir my se of daar i verskil is ?
Thank you for the info mates. I have a 22R 4x4 with a 4.88 exel ratio. I would love to change the crown to better/better ratio for more speed,less consumption. When the revs are at 3k I must get 140km/h. Or should I put a diesel engine and turbocharge? I've done a petrol to diesel conversion on my isuzu and it flying with very good consumption. Thank gents
Being a 4x4 you would have to change both diffs, so that would be low on my option list IRO the cost involved. I would rather look at fitting some bigger tyres, which would achieve a similar result. However the 22R is a little under powered to drive 33" tyres adequately and I've found that 31's is a good all round option - even the speedo is more accurate when compared to GPS speeds.
Changing diff ratios or fitting bigger tyres to get more open road legs is all fi8ne and well, but it comes at a price. You're going to be doing a lot more gear changes and using higher revs with city / town driving and the scales tip back in favour of heavier fuel consumption. On the open road at 3000rpm you might be able to get 120kmph (never 140 with that size motor)but you will find it lacking when you want to overtake - it's going to be sluggish. Even headwinds and small up hills will force you down to 4th gear .... there goes your fuel economy.
So perhaps you should be looking at fitting another motor. The Ford WL 2.5 diesel motor is a good option and not too pricey. The Toyota D4D 2.5 or 3.0 are a better option but way more pricey. You have some deliberating to do. Good luck.