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4th September 2008, 19:55
Hier wil ek graag vra dat die sewe Geeste van God verduidelik word indien julle kennis het oor die daaroor.
Ek het gemengde gevoellens oor hierdie aspek wat vir my baie vrustrerend is.
4th September 2008, 23:37
“Maar Ek sê julle die waarheid: Dit is vir julle voordelig dat Ek weggaan; want as Ek nie weggaan nie, sal die Trooster nie na julle kom nie; maar as Ek weggaan, sal Ek Haar na julle stuur. Nog baie dinge het Ek om aan julle te sê, maar julle kan dit nie nou dra nie. Maar wanneer Hy gekom het, die Gees van die waarheid, sal Hy julle in die hele waarheid lei; want Hy sal nie uit homself spreek nie, maar alles wat Hy hoor , sal Hy spreek en die toekomstige dinge aan julle verkondig. Hy sal My verheerlik, omdat Hy dit sal neem uit wat aan My behoort, en aan julle verkondig. Alles wat die Vader het, is myne; daarom het Ek gesê dat Hy dit sal neem uit wat aan My behoort, en aan julle verkondig.” Joh. 16:7, 12-15.
“Die openbaring van Jesus Christus wat God Hom gegee het om aan sy diensknegte te toon wat gou moet gebeur, en wat Hy deur die sending van sy engel aan sy dienskneg Johannes te kenne gegee het” Open. 1:1.
In Open. 1:4, 4:5 en 5:6 lees ons van die sewe Geeste van God. Openbaring is simbolies geskryf en ons moet dus die geestelike betekenis van die simbool kry. Sewe in die Bybel is die getal van volmaaktheid. “Sewe Geeste, sewe horings en sewe oë” dui dus op iets wat volmaak is. Volheid. Horings is ‘n tipe van gesag. Outoriteit. Insig. Sewe oë dui op volmaakte Gees-insig.
God het nie sewe aparte Geeste nie. Die sewe Geeste is sewevoudige volmaaktheid.
Hierdie Sewe Geeste, of dan die Volheid of Volmaaktheid van die Heilige Gees, word oor die hele aarde uitgestuur.
"om die verborgenheid te leer ken van God en die Vader en van Christus, in wie al die skatte van wysheid en kennis verborge is."
5th September 2008, 06:51
Ek het die vermoede dié simboliese sewevoudige volmaaktheid gaan eersdaags na 8 voudig verander.
8th March 2009, 15:51
"....word oor die hele aarde uitgestuur." het betrekking.
Hieronder 'n lekker leesstuk daaroor. Ek hoop om die aanvanklike vraag te help beantwoord.
I will do my best to try to explain this so that you can understand what this is all about. There are all kinds of teachings on this by many different people, but I would like to share with you what I believe to be the truth about this subject.
I believe that most people look for something that is too deep. The wonderful thing about the seven Spirits is that they are as simple to understand as the simplicity that is in Christ (2Cor: 11:3). Simplicity is the key. We, for the most part, complicate God's word looking for something real deep and far out.
Revelation talks about the seven Spirits of God in four places. These are found in Rev. 1:4, 3:1, 4:5, and in 5:6. One of the places it speaks of the Seven Spirits is in the 4th Chapter the 5th verse. I have placed it here for you to read. God tells us that the seven lamps of fire burning before the throne are the seven Spirits of God. Then in the 5th chapter the 6th verse he tells us that the seven horns and seven eyes on Jesus, who is portrayed as a lamb, are the seven Spirits of God.Let's read both of these so that you can see the comparisons.
5. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.Rev. 5:5-7
God is telling us that the seven lamps of fire burning before His throne and the seven horns including the seven eyes on the lamb are the seven Spirits of God. So in all reality the seven Spirits are all three of these things. The simplicity in this amazes me. In Ephesians the 4th chapter it tells us that there is one Spirit. It also says that there is one body referring to the Church.
This is the revelation to these scriptures. In reality there is only one Spirit just as Paul said. In the second and third chapter of Revelation we read about seven churches, the Churches of Asia. In reality there is only one Church in Asia. All of God's believers make up the Church. He called them seven churches because of their locations. This is part of the mystery. There are a lot of Churches in America, but in reality there is only one Church in America. Does it make sense?
Here is the answer to this mystery. In chapter five verse six God actually tells us the mystery. He said that these were the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. There are seven continents in the earth. God is God over all of it. The seven lamps burning with fire is an allegory showing us the ministry of the Holy Spirit in all seven Continents and the father is in control of that. Remember Jesus said that He would pray the Father and that He would send another comforter?
This allegory shows the Holy Ghost ministering the Word of God symbolized by the lamp. He is the teacher of the Word. The Word of God is a lamp unto our feet. The light that comes off of it is a light to show us the way. The fire coming from the lamp reveals the cleansing of the Word. Of course the lamp could not burn with out oil and this speaks of the anointing of the Holy Spirit. He is ministering this all over the world to all seven Continents.
In the 5th chapter we see Jesus portrayed as a lamb with seven eyes and seven horns. This again is an allegory showing us what God is doing through His son Jesus in the Earth. In Daniel and in Revelation the Word teaches us that horns symbolize kings or seats of authority. What we are seeing in the seven horns is that God has made Jesus Lord, or King over all the seven Continents on this Earth. And we see that we have been placed in the care of Jesus by the seven eyes. This is showing His care for us because his eye is on all seven Continents.
God explains that these seven horns and seven eyes are the seven Spirits of God sent into all the earth. God is showing us that the Lordship of Jesus is ministered to us through the Holy Spirit. We are ministered the love of Jesus and experience his caring for us by the Holy Spirit. He reminds us that Jesus is watching over us all the time. No matter where we are he is watching over us through out the entire world, all seven Continents.This is probably too simple for some people to accept but none the less I believe that it is the truth. He said that we would know the truth and the truth would make us free.
In Revelation 4 when it says the seven Spirits of God we must take into account that it say’s “the”seven Spirits of God. Which puts this into a different light than simply seven attributes. The same as the seven Churches of Asia
Many people believe that they have uncovered this mystery when reading Isaiah 11:2. Lets look at this scripture for a moment and think on it.
Isaiah 11:2: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
The Spirit of God can give us the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of understanding, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of might, the spirit of knowledge and the spirit of the fear of the Lord. Isaiah 11:2 would be complete if it also included the spirit of grace, the spirit of supplications, the spirit of judgment, the spirit of holiness, the spirit of adoption, the spirit of meekness, the spirit of faith, the spirit of power, the spirit of love, the spirit of a sound mind, the spirit of glory, the spirit of truth, the spirit of prophecy, etc.
These are all spiritual attributes produced by the Spirit of God rather than being seven separate spirits. If all seven of the spirits in Isaiah were attributes it would be hard to isolate them by themselves to call them the seven Spirits of God since there are many more attributes produced by the Spirit of God than these seven in particular. This is one of the reasons that I feel that attributes cannot be applied to this revelation, there are simply too many to do this. It could only be location not attributes.
Another thing that I feel that we need to consider is the different usage of the word "spirit" in Isaiah compared to the word "Spirits" in Revelation. The seven spirits in Isaiah are different from the seven Spirits in Revelation by the Hebrew word usage in the Old Testament and the Greek word usage in the New Testament. The word "spirit" in Isaiah 11:2 is not capitalized and the word "Spirits" in Revelation 4:5 is capitalized, why is this?
In the Old Testament in Isaiah 11:2 the word spirit is taken from the Hebrew word,xwr Ruwach (roo'-akh); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 7307. With this word not being capitalized it becomes a common noun. Its usage is that of a feminine sense. Which makes the word "spirit" weaker in content to that of the usage in Revelation, which is capitalized. If the word "spirit" were capitalized it would be specifically talking about the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit in particular. Without this word being capitalized it has a different meaning.
The first usage in the Strongs Concordance for this is wind, breath, mind, or spirit. The best way to understand the word spirit in Isaiah, especially concerning the spirit of the Lord, would be to see it in the feminine usage of the word "spirit".
The word Spirit in Revelation chapters 4 & 5 are taken from the Greek word, pneu'ma Pneuma (pnyoo'-mah); Word Origin: Greek, Noun Neuter, Strong #: 4151. The word Spirit in Revelation chapters 4 & 5 are used in a strong sense and are a proper noun with a neuter sense, which means not male nor female in usage. The Strong's first usage on this word is this.
1. The third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, co eternal with the Father and the Son. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\) never referred to as a depersonalized force
The Word Spirit being capitalized and being in the stronger sense causes this word to become personalized. Which means that we are talking about the person of the Holy Spirit. This being the meaning of the word Spirits in Revelation would be that the seven Spirits of God through understanding would magnify or reveal the Holy Spirit through seven personal descriptive titles or locations. Seeing that the Holy Spirit is one Spirit, He would have to be divided into seven in some way. According to the usage of these two different words from Hebrew and the Greek on spirit and Spirit it would seem that there is a distinct difference.
Remember that Jesus called the Holy Spirit "the Spirit of Truth". This is one of His titles revealing a personal work of the Holy Spirit. While reading Isaiah 11:2 it is important to see that the word "spirit" is not speaking of personal descriptive titles of the Holy Spirit. The "spirit" of the Lord in Isaiah 11:2 has a different meaning than the "Spirit" of the Lord in Isaiah 61:1. The difference is that one is talking about the Lord coming in his own spirit as the true Lord that he is. Compared to the other which is absolutely talking about the Holy Spirit working hand in hand with Christ to set the captive free.
In Isaiah 11:2: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.
The spirit appears to be the Holy Spirit at first look and it would make us wonder why the translators of the Bible didn't capitalize the word "spirit" in this verse. Surely this is talking about the Holy Spirit? But, think on this a minute. We know that for us to receive Godly wisdom, understanding, to have power, to know how to counsel others and all of these things in Isaiah 11:2 it would have to be given to us by the Holy Spirit. But, does the Holy Spirit have to impart these things to Jesus?
Here is the reasoning of the translators: Jesus is one of three persons in the godhead. He is equal in wisdom, understanding, knowledge and everything that the Holy Spirit would have to provide for us. But, Jesus doesn't get His knowledge and authority, or wisdom, or any of these seven things from the Holy Spirit. The word "spirit" in this scripture is more clearly defined as "mind". Jesus came as himself, the Lord of Glory, the Son of the Almighty God. The Holy Spirit didn't have to rest on Jesus in order for him to be Lord He is the Lord. The Holy Spirit didn't have to impart any spiritual gift to Jesus when it came to his ability to think. He is all knowing He has all understanding, He has all wisdom and a totally complete person in the godhead. These scriptures were given to us in Isaiah to build our confidence in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, He is someone we can trust to know all things and to judge righteously.
The person of the Holy Spirit did rest upon Jesus as Isaiah 61:1 said that He would, but He was there to help Jesus as a working witness rather than to impart wisdom or knowledge to Him. Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit in several different ways. Once He called the Holy Spirit "the Finger of God" when he was working miracles. The Holy Spirit worked together with Jesus, as Jesus spoke the Holy Spirit performed it and made it happen. Jesus is often called the Word of God; this is one of His titles, the Holy Spirit and the Word of God work together. It is just the plan of God in all of His Sovereignty to do what He wants.
A good example of what I am talking about is the story of Jesus in the Temple at the age of twelve.
46: And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47: And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
In these Scriptures we see that Jesus at twelve years old astonished the teachers in the Temple with his understanding and answers. This was to reveal that Jesus had above average wisdom and understanding. Remember that this is eighteen years before he was baptized with the Holy Spirit at the age of thirty. Luke was trying to show us the deity of Jesus being revealed to us when Jesus was only twelve years old.
This is food for thought, I don't mean to sound authoritarian but I do believe that these things should be considered in arriving at the truth of God's Holy Word. May God bless you.