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06-14-2005, 04:52 AM #21
President Thabo Mbeki will address a joint sitting of Parliament on Tuesday after a week of calls for the dismissal of his deputy, Jacob Zuma, who has been implicated in corruption.
"The president will deal with issues arising from the judgment of Judge Hilary Squires," presidential spokesperson Bheki Khumalo told Sapa on Monday.
"The paperwork is being finalised for the president to address a joint sitting."
Last week Squires sentenced Durban businessman Schabir Shaik, who acted as financial advisor to Jacob Zuma, to 15 years in prison for fraud and corruption.
Mbeki under pressure
Mbeki is under pressure from some quarters to fire Zuma, who is first in line for the presidency, while many in the African National Congress and its alliance partners are insisting he stay in office.
Democratic Alliance chief whip Douglas Gibson said this was Mbeki's greatest test as president.
"I cannot believe that the president would not do the right thing, and that would be to fire Deputy President Jacob Zuma," he said.
"The president has always set his face against corruption."
ANC denies divisions over Zuma affair
Meanwhile, the ANC had denied there are divisions within the party over the Zuma affair.
"The ANC is not — and cannot be — divided over the outcome of the Schabir Shaik trial," ANC spokesperson Smuts Ngonyama said in a statement on Monday evening.
"The position of the organisation is well-known and broadly supported within the ranks of the ANC and the alliance — that due process must be followed and that the basic tenets of justice respected and upheld."
Reports of conflict in the party had "been fuelled by a handful of voices within the ANC and its alliance partners who willingly propagate such falsehoods in pursuit of narrow individual agendas", he said.
Seven-hour meeting on Monday
On Monday Mbeki held a seven-hour meeting with senior African National Congress officials at ANC headquarters in Johannesburg.
Ngonyama denied that Zuma was the subject of those talks, but it was widely believed that his fate was discussed at the meeting.
Although no reporters saw Zuma being driven away from the building, he was believed to have left the meeting some two hours before the rest of the ANC executives.
No discussion on Zuma — Ngonyama
Ngonyama earlier said: "It's an ordinary official meeting."
Besides Mbeki and Zuma, those attending were ANC chairperson Mosiuoa Lekota, party secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe, his deputy, Sankie Mthembi-Mahanyele, and treasurer Mendi Msimang.
Ngonyama said he did not have any idea what was on the agenda. That was decided by the leaders themselves.
However, he did say there would be "no discussion on Zuma".
Zuma was elected deputy president in 1999, and was expected to succeed Mbeki in 2009 when his second and final term as president ends.
06-14-2005, 05:15 AM #22
Zuma se donkerste uur
KAAPSTAD. - Pres. Thabo Mbeki sal vanmiddag om twee-uur in die parlement die politieke lot van adj.pres. Jacob Zuma aankondig.
En Zuma gaan hom in die oë kyk terwyl hy dit doen, want die adjunkpresident se kantoor het bevestig dat hy die sitting sal bywoon.
Ná tien dae van gissings, opsweping en onsekerheid het mnr. Bheki Khumalo, presidensiële woordvoerder, gister bevestig Mbeki het 'n buitengewone sitting van die Nasionale Vergadering en die Nasionale Raad van Provinsies byeengeroep oor "alle kwessies voortspruitend uit die Shaik-hofsaak".
Dít bring 'n einde aan die onsekerheid te midde van die presidensiële stilte nadat regter Hilary Squires bevind het 'n "algemeen korrupte verhouding" het tussen Zuma en Shaik bestaan. Sedertdien het Zuma en sy ondersteuners volgehou hy is onskuldig en dat hy nie sy saak in die hof gestel het nie.
Hoewel die afgelope tien dae getoon het voorspellings is onsinnig, was al hoe meer senior ANC-LP's en bronne in die ANC-hoofkwartier gister die mening toegedaan dat Mbeki, wat die kaarte naby aan die bors hou, die mat onder Zuma se voete gaan uitruk.
Sowel Mbeki as Zuma was gister saam met ANC-leiers in Johannesburg in die ANC-hoofkantoor, Luthuli-huis. Zuma is langer as twee uur voor die ander van die vergadering af weg.
Terwyl die ANC amptelik volgehou het dat daar geen verdeeldheid heers nie, is LP's gister teruggeroep vir die buitengewone sitting. ANC-LP's het heeldag SMS'e oor en weer gestuur om oor Mbeki se standpunt te gis.
"Dít kan net beteken dat Zuma bedank het of gevra is om te bedank omdat strafregtelike klagte op hande is," het 'n lid van die ANC se nasionale uitvoerende komitee gesê. "Dit moet groot wees, anders sou Mbeki 'n mediakonferensie belê het," het 'n senior ANC-LP opgemerk.
Bronne in Luthuli-huis het daarop gewys dat Squires sowel die verdwene "leningsooreenkoms" tussen Zuma en Shaik as die dokument waarin Zuma aandui hy skuld geld aan Shaik, geweeg en te lig bevind het.
Dít kan nuwe probleme vir die adjunkpresident veroorsaak binne die etiese kodes van die parlement en die kabinet, en die gedragskode van die ANC, is gister gesê.
Zuma se posisie in die ANC kan vir Mbeki 'n turksvy wees, want hoewel Mbeki hom kan afdank as adjunkpresident, kan slegs die tugkomitee van die ANC hom as ANC-onderleier skors.
In politieke kringe word gesê dis gevaarlik om te raai wat Mbeki gaan doen, maar dat hy basies drie opsies het:
- Die eerste is om te sê die regsproses moet sy beloop neem en dan niks te verander aan Zuma se posisie nie. Dít is moontlik, maar onwaarskynlik in die lig van Zuma se opsweping van ondersteuners en die nadelige gevolge vir die land se internasionale beeld.
- Die tweede opsie, en die waarskynlikste een, is om Zuma tydelik uit sy pos te verwyder en geen plaasvervanger aan te stel totdat hy aangekla word nie. Dít kan nog 'n tydjie duur, want hoewel die Nasionale Vervolgingsgesag se uitvoerende komitee vandag vergader, word 'n aankondiging nie vandag al verwag nie.
- Die derde opsie is om Zuma vandag af te dank, wat onwaarskynlik is in die lig van die onmin wat dit in die ANC sal veroorsaak - maar nie onmoontlik nie.
As Mbeki Zuma wel skors en vervang, meen ANC-LP's hy sal 'n "tussentydse plaasvervanger" aankondig. Dit sal later moeilik wees om dié plaasvervanger weer uit te skuif wanneer 'n opvolger vir Mbeki gevind moet word.
Mnr. Kgalema Motlanthe, sekretaris-generaal van die ANC, is glo Mbeki se persoonlike eerste keuse. Sy aanstelling sou ook die SAKP tevrede stel.
'n Ander moontlikheid is me. Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, president van die ANC-vroueliga. Maar die slim geld is op 'n "hiërargiese" en dus veilige keuse - mnr. Mosiuoa Lekota, wat naas Mbeki en Zuma die mees senior ANC-lid is.
06-14-2005, 05:26 AM #23
Geen Nostradamus nodig vir Zuma-voorspelling
Dekades as joernalis het my geleer: die politiek is eenvoudig en beslissings berus dikwels op die mees basiese grille van die menslike natuur.
Ons het geen Nostradamus of Siener van Rensburg nodig nie om ons te waarsku dat met adj.pres. Jacob Zuma se weiering om te bedank, weet die mense in Sandton en Soweto dat: HKGK . . . !
Zuma-ondersteuners sien dit so: Hul struggle-held word uitgekryt deur 'n wit regter Hilary Squires ('n "apartheidsregter" met 'n Rhodesiese agtergrond) en die staat se regspan is gelei deur 'n wit Billy Downer wat 'n man as lewensmaat het en hou van klassieke musiek en shop.
Nie juis struggle-credentials nie!
Dus sien Zuma se ondersteuners die "korrupte verhouding" waarvan Squires gepraat het in 'n heeltemal ander lig as die een tussen Zuma en Shaik: Die "korrupte verhouding" is eintlik tussen Squires en Downer!
Onse pres. Thabo Mbeki (wat 'n "sagte" lewe in Europa gelei het terwyl Zuma in die tronk was en 'n leier van MK geword het) is vrek bang vir sy Zuma.
Sy lang uitstel om tot aksie oor te gaan (hoe lank neem dit tog om die drie sleutelwoorde "algemene korrupte verhouding" te bestudeer?) het hom die inisiatief laat verloor - en Zuma het intussen hard gewerk om sterk steun te werf.
Zuma is nou besig om Mbeki direk uit te daag - en hy is besig om te wen!
My hoogsontwikkelde "politieke kompas" dui aan dat wanneer hy eendag die moed bymekaarskraap om te praat, sal Mbeki Zuma omhels; verklaar dat Zuma "onskuldig" is omdat 'n hof hom nog nie as skuldig verklaar het nie.
En Mbeki sal die media en sekere politieke partye uitkryt omdat hulle Zuma dan buite die hof "verhoor" het.
06-14-2005, 06:54 AM #24
'The president really has little choice in the matter'
'The ANC is not - and cannot be - divided'
Ngonyama said: "The ANC is not - and cannot be - divided over the outcome of the Schabir Shaik trial."
06-14-2005, 07:25 AM #25
G8 won't dwell on Zuma - Manuel
New York - The corruption cloud hanging over the head of deputy president Jacob Zuma should not pose a problem for President Thabo Mbeki at the Group of Eight (G8) summit in Scotland next month of the world's most industrialised nations, finance minister Trevor Manuel said yesterday.
Asked about the possible impact of the scandal on Mbeki's participation, given Africa's stated commitment to eradicating corruption, Manuel told reporters in Pretoria: "No, I don't think it will [be a problem]."
He was addressing a media conference on a decision taken on Saturday by the finance ministers of the G8 to write off all multilateral debt owed by 18 of the world's poorest countries - mostly in Africa.
"One of the issues we must recognise is the independence and power of the judiciary," Manuel said.
Issues of corruption arose in developed countries like France and Canada, and were not considered a problem as long as there were systems to deal with them timeously, fiercely and independently.
South Africa's systems met all these criteria, he said.
The G8 summit is expected to focus on proposals to cut African debt and double development aid.
Zuma's financial adviser, Schabir Shaik, was sentenced to 15 years in jail by the Durban high court last week after being convicted of fraud and corruption, involving improper financial dealings with the deputy president.
Judge Hilary Squires ruled that the men had a "generally corrupt" relationship, and found Shaik guilty of soliciting an annual R500 000 bribe for Zuma from French arms company Thomson-CSF in return for protection from a probe into South Africa's multibillion-rand arms deal.
Welcoming a decision of the G8 to write off the multilateral debt of 18 poor countries, Manuel said this had closed the door on huge net capital outflows.
Money spent by these countries on debt servicing was "considerably" more than development assistance flowing in. The other side of the coin, the minister said, was to now ensure that poor countries had sufficient resources to deal with the development issues they faced.
The sale of gold held by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) was no longer an option for funding debt relief for poor countries, he said.
The world's wealthy nations had committed themselves to finding other means of debt relief funding, pointing to a section of the G8 weekend communiqué that said it would be "met by the use of existing IMF resources". Where existing IMF resources could not meet such need, "donors commit to provide the extra resources necessary".
On issues of transparency, Manuel said steps were under way to introduce a system requiring donor and recipient countries to report on assistance provided, "then one can see if there is a matching of the commitment".
This would help eliminate the problem of countries reporting "huge" official development assistance that never materialised. There was often a "huge gap" between pledges made and assistance given, Manuel said.
"The question is, does that money ever flow and, if so, to whom does it flow? We need some measure to be able to manage this process going forward."
While bilateral debt forgiveness and emergency aid had increased, other official development assistance to Africa had declined between 1993 and 2003.
This happened when donors merely "move the deck chairs around", with bilateral debt cancellation being scored against official development assistance, "when, in fact, if we want to do the many things we must, we need additional resources", he said.
Soos ek gedink het het Mbeki die regte besluit gemaak om die regering te probeer in toom hou!! Nou kom die nagevolge!! Moontlike skeuring in die ANC?
Als wat gebeur tel in ons guns!!
06-14-2005, 09:50 AM #27
Zuma gets the sack
14/06/2005 14:14 - (SA)
Cape Town - President Thabo Mbeki has sacked his deputy, Jacob Zuma.
Mbeki made the announcement during a special joint sitting of the two houses of parliament on Tuesday afternoon, almost two weeks after Zuma was implicated in corruption during the Durban High Court trial of his former financial advisor, Schabir Shaik.
Last week Squires sentenced Shaik to 15 years in prison for fraud and corruption.
Mbeki told the joint sitting on Tuesday it seemed self-evident that arising out of the judgment further legal processes would be undertaken in the higher courts.
These would have a bearing on normal enquiries that law enforcement agencies might wish to undertake, and on follow up that parliament might embark on in relation to any of its members.
"The executive will therefore await the outcome of these processes," he said.
Both he and Zuma were acutely sensitive to the responsibilities they bore as prescribed in the Constitution.
"We understand very well that we should at all times act in a manner that seeks to uphold, defend, and respect the Constitution.
"We have had no precedent to guide us as we consider our response to the judgment by Justice Squires.
"We have therefore had to make our own original determination on this matter guided by what we believe is in the best interest of the honourable deputy president, the government, our young democratic system and our country.
"I am fully conscious of the fact that the accused in the Schabir Shaik case have given notice of their intention lodge an appeal.
"I am equally aware that a superior court may overturn the judgment handed down by Justice Squires," he said.
"However, as President of the Republic I have come to the conclusion that the circumstances dictate that in the interests of the honourable deputy president, the government, our young democratic system, and our country, it would be best to release the honourable Jacob Zuma from his responsibilities as deputy president of the Republic and member of the cabinet."
However, all developments in the relevant legal processes would be monitored and responded to, Mbeki said.
From the start, Zuma has maintained his innocence on the corruption allegations and pointed out he has not been convicted of any crime.
Opposition parties repeatedly called for Zuma to step down or to be fired, but he received strong support from the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu), the African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL), ANC Women's League (ANCWL), and the Young Communist League (YCL).
However, on Sunday, Zuma told a Cosatu meeting in Durban he was prepared to become an ordinary member of the ANC.
"I have served as a branch member with no position (as an) ordinary activist, and I have served with some responsibilities in a branch, and I have served at many levels.
"I will always be ready to do that, even today. The day the ANC says do this I will do it," the SABC quoted Zuma as saying.
Zuma's dismissal could pave the way for Mbeki to use the opportunity to reshuffle his cabinet.
06-14-2005, 10:58 AM #28
of skeuring tussen zoeloe, anc, ek kry die gevoel dinge raak warm in die regering.
06-14-2005, 11:24 AM #29
This is good, with no zulu being included in the higher ANC leadership...support from the zulus will fall...
06-14-2005, 12:45 PM #30