and oh...the dark ages is no longer used as a term by modern historians and check for petrarch -- an italian who first used the term in reference to criticism of latin literature. ngiyagcizelea ukuthi kufanele sizazi ukuthi singobani sizinukeni amakhwapha -- yinhlonipho leyo. uma bekhona abesifazane nabesilisa phakathi kwethu abayizitabane, akukho esingakwenza kubona ngoba kungekho ogunyaziwe ukuthi enze intando yakhe ngempilo yomunye umuntu. yizidalwa nje zika nkulunkulu...siyabahlonipha abafowethu nawosisi. ngeke sihlale sihlaziye emphakathini onjenganalo nge anal sex leyo.....yihlazo nje. yihlazo. where is development in that? what value are you adding on that? this is lunacy and for the real matlanders...if we go along such topics.....muntongenakudla's prophecy that iphupho lakwa mthwakazi lokwakha isizwe ngeke lize lifezeke....would soon become a reality. some of us may not have read that strong statement from muntongenakudla but it calls into question the strategies being pursued, coordination that seems non -- existant and the quality of debate. if we devote our energies to such filthy topics, we are making a mokery of the sufferings of our people. some people will find a nice term for this site.