Tyd en Ewigheid - Page 28 - Stormfront
Nou in Suid-Afrika het ons 'n klein groepie kunsmatige Israeliete. En by implikasie, broers van die Arabier, soos ek reeds aangedui het. Dit lyk vir my of hulle saam met die geloofsdwaling die oordeel ook oorge'erf het omdat hul grootste gevegte, ongeduld en ongedurigheid gerig is teenoor hul bloedverwante.
Nou begin die gedrag sin maak!
Ou Man...dit maak heel sin,maar nou moet ek hier byvoeg,het Siener nie gese dat aan die einde,net voor ons vryheid,sal die boere haat,die boere twis,die verraad,op sy ergste sal wees nie,maar dan se die Siener.....hy sien hoe die kloof tussen ons toeval,dat ons soos twee hout lasse inmekaar in sal pas,so goed dat die las nie eers gesien sal word nie.
Siener se ook dat:Broer teen Broer,Vader teen Seun en Dogter teen Moeder.Ek dink ons is in daai tyd.
Maar waarheid sal ons vry maak.......
Ek hoop dit gaan gou verby!!!!!
[B]Watter kruis moet ek dus opneem? Los maar, ek sal self besluit!!!
Is dit nou nie juis hierdie stelling wat jou laat dink dat jy die waarheid ken nie? Maar dan dank ek jou aanslag...
Kommuniste, beloof jou gelykheid.
Christene, 'n geleentheid tot die ewige lewe.
Die Ou Man, ?
Jy het onsinnighede kwytgeraak oor 'n onderwerp wat jy beslis geen benul van het nie.
Jy is doodreg!
Ou seun, ek het jou insette oor algemeen hier op SF gelees. Op grond van die vlak daarvan beveel ek aan dat jy eerder 'n wag voor jou mond hou. Beveg die drang om gehoor te word en onsinnighede kwyt te raak.
Dit is juis dat soveel 'n wag voor hulle monde het, dat dinge gaan soos dit nou gaan, in Suid-Afrika meen ek. Wel ek moet ook dan net se dat jy ook nie verder kyk as net jouself nie... ek verduidelik hieronder. Quote:
Tyd en Ewigheid is nie vir akteurs nie, maar wel vir mense wat ernstig op soek is na die waarheid.
Ek is nou hier (en g'n akteur) en ek hoop dat ons tydjie saam vrugte sal afwerk. Preek jy, lig jy mense in, of dwing jy ander om soos jy te dink? Antwoord asseblief sodat ek kan weet wat is jou groter doel.
05-18-2006, 11:15 AM
Dit is juis dat soveel 'n wag voor hulle monde het, dat dinge gaan soos dit nou gaan, in Suid-Afrika meen ek.
Jong, hier is geen gebrek aan mense wat te inkennig is om te praat nie. My argument is dat die pitkos tussen al die gebrabbel maar yl gesaai is. Onsinnighede het ongelukkig die norm van gesprek word. 'n Emmer vol koring is baie meer werd as 'n wavrag vol kaf. Wag voor die mond het betrekking op die kaf.
Ek is nou hier (en g'n akteur) en ek hoop dat ons tydjie saam vrugte sal afwerk.
Puik! Dit was nou geen onsinnige inset. Ek aanvaar jou aanbod. Onthou net, as jy my aanvat moet jou feite korrek wees.
1. Preek jy, 2. lig jy mense in, of 3. dwing jy ander om soos jy te dink? Antwoord asseblief sodat ek kan weet wat is jou groter doel.
Die 3 de opsie sou die maklike opsie gewees het. Het ek maar net die vermo'e gehad.
Nee, ek laat dit an jou oordeel oor. Laat weet my wat jou slotsom is.
Die Ou Man]Nou in Suid-Afrika het ons 'n klein groepie kunsmatige Israeliete. En by implikasie, broers van die Arabier, soos ek reeds aangedui het. Dit lyk vir my of hulle saam met die geloofsdwaling die oordeel ook oorge'erf het omdat hul grootste gevegte, ongeduld en ongedurigheid gerig is teenoor hul bloedverwante.
Ek het reeds verwys na die Pseudo Israeliete se uittog uit SF na BV en die gepaardgaande verplasing van destruktiewe gedrag. As gevolg daarvan het die kiem van broederlike onmin, soos deur Jahweh aan Abraham se vrou, Hagar t.o.v. sy eersgeborene se nageslag verduidelik is, daar (by BV) 'n hoogbloei belewe.
Om die twis tussen Israeliet en Boer te neutraliseer, het die Pseudo Israeliete hul eie afdeling gekry. Ek haal aan:
Israel Waarheid Laer Soos julle dan ook kan sien is die Israel Waarheid sy eie identiteit gegee deur hom n afsonderlike laer te maak. Dit is gedoen om ernstige Geloofs botsings te voorkom.
Dit is interessant om op die volgende waarskuwing (klousule) te let. Dit is soos om in die wildtuin nie uit jou kar te mag klim nie! Gevaarlike terrein.
Alle nuus en bespreking rakende die Israel Waarheid Geloof hier. Toegang tot die laer is u eie keuse.
Toe die Pseudo Israeliete hul eie werf kry het dit aanvanklik goed gegaan soos met die volgende besprekings.
Die kwessie van onrein kos en die meer as een geweefde klere is tog nie so moeilik nie. Jy eet net nie onrein kos nie en jy dra net katoen klere en so ook met wol en kunsweefsel. Daaraan is ek gehoorsaam. Die maklikste is egter om nie te maak soos die Skrif aan ons voorskryf!
Maar die oordeel van broedertwis het gou sy kop uitgesteek. Dit nogal onder die volgende opskrif.
Oproep Tot Eendragtigheid
Ek gaan nou die Pseudo Israeliete die geleentheid gee om hulself te verwoord. Onthou dat die aanhalings slegs die woorde is van individue wat hulself as Israeliete beskou, teenoor hul mede-gelowiges. Geen opposisie geloof is betrokke nie.
Ai Schalk van wanneer af is piepie 'n lelike woord. Of het jy 'n beter woord daarvoor. Ek ken jou nie as 'n hipokraat nie.
Boervrou, ek is opreg jammer dat ek nou weer die oorsaak was dat Schalk Jacobsz die "dagger" in jou rug kom druk.
Ek s&#234; aan al die vroue in die Boerelaers baie sterkte en groete. Verwyder asb my naam uit plaaswerf, die tyd het aangebreek dat ek moet gaan. Boervrou, jy is 'n edel mens, moenie toelaat dat 'n ou fossiel wat al die skimmel van die dood op hom dra jou beledig nie.
Hierdie oom loop maar saam met Anna Steenkamp. Baie dankie aan al die neefs en niggies van plaaswerf. Maar die tyd het aangebreek om te gaan. Ek sal die admin vra om my naam te verwyder. My laaste raad aan die dames is om Schalk uit julle laer te verwilder. Die wyse wat hy met Boervrou praat hoort nie tuis onder die Boerevolk nie.
Die Makkabe&#235;r groet al sy volksgenote op plaaswerf. Totsiens my vriende en moet julle nie baie steur aan Schalk Jacobsz nie. Die farise&#235;rs sal maar seker altyd met ons wees.
Is dit nou een farise&#235;r oor 'n ander?
My liewe Boervrou
U het my nou die dag verkla dat ek onmin saai en nou laat u hierdie walglike aanval toe met 'n frase soos "nat piepie". Is dit omdat 'n vrou die aanval rig? In my jeug het een man 'n ander aangetree as hy sulke woorde in sy vrou se geselskap gebruik het, en hier laat u 'n vrou toe om dit tydens 'n debat in die godsdienslaer te gebruik.
Ek verstom my!
Maar ek bespeur 'n interessante beginsel op hierdie werf. Sodra iemand 'n teenoorgestelde mening kwytraak saai hy/sy onmin. En dan mag so 'n persoon maar na hartelus uitgeskel en beledig word en die hemel behoed hom as hy homself verdedig!
Dit bly egter interessant om te sien hoe my volk dink en redeneer.
Dag Jopie Fourie
Besef u dat u nou persoonlik raak?
Die naam is "Schalk W Jacobsz", nie "Schalk" nie.
Oom Schalk W Jacobsz, kan Oom asb. die poste (almal van hulle) gaan hersien of afhaal. Oom Jopie, kan Oom asb. die stelling uithaal wat Oom rondom die "verwildering" van Oom Schalk gemaak het. Dankie.
Dit is nie die taal van 'n vrou van die Boervolk nie maar herinner aan die geskel van die spreekwoordelike viswyf - en vir hierdie stelling sal ek nou seker die gramskap van die hele werf op die hals haal.
Repudi&#235;ring van my stellings en vrae sal ek met groot belangstelling lees, 'n uitskellery sal ek met die minagting verwerp wat dit verdien.
Waarom ek vra dat die naam Schalk W Jacobsz gebruik word en nie "Schalk" of "oom Schalk" of "Schalk Jacobsz" nie is sodat ons kan bly fokus op wat ges&#234; word en nie op wie dit s&#234; nie.
Ten slotte 'n vraag aan Makkabe&#235;r "Op grond waarvan skimp u dat ek 'n farise&#235;r is?"
Ek is die moderator van hierdie laer, so ja, u het dan dus met my gepraat. Wat meer is, is dat ek van Schalk W Jacobsz gepraat het en dat u my daarop attend gemaak dat u geregtig is op die titel gelykstaande aan die van Oom Dries, aangesien u ouer as hy is en as 'n oudste van die volk gesien behoort te word. Nou noem ek u Oom Schalk, nou is dit ook nie reg nie.
Die baie klein groepie "Boere" wat hulle as die nageslag van Abraham beskou, is hoogs verbaal, hoogs aanmatigend hoogs onverdraagsaam en veral die oorsaak van twis. Hulle verteenwoordig by uitstek 'n teenstrydigheid op sigself!
Ek het nog nooit geglo in dubele burgerskap nie!
Ons kan later ook na die Linda Newkirk profesie'e kyk. En die wyse waarop die Pseudo Israeliete haar aan ons opgedring het. Stoffel kan getuig dat ek van die begin ges'e het dat sy 'n skisofreen is. Maar dit vir later.
Last edited by Die Ou Man; 05-18-2006 at 09:26 PM.
Nou dat ons die noue verband tussen Israel en Islam begryp, plaas ek die Islam geloof se belangrikste profete en verduidelikings daaromtrent.
The following are named as prophets in the Qur'an; their biblical names are given in parentheses.
Adam is the first prophet of Islam and, according to Islamic tradition, the first human being. He was created by Allah but brought to life forty days after being kept as a dry body. He is an important figure in Judaism and Christianity as well and he is best known for the story of Adam and Eve.
Idris (Enoch) ادريس
In Islam, Idris lived during a period of drought inflicted by Allah to punish the people of the world who had forgotten him. Idris prayed to Allah for salvation and an end to the suffering and so the world received rain. Idris is also credited in Islam with introducing writing, astronomy, and mathematics.
Nuh (Noah) نوح
Although best known for the Deluge, Nuh was a primary preacher of monotheism at his time. According to Islamic tradition, it was this faithfulness to Allah that led to his selection for building the Ark that would continue life on Earth. In contrast with Christian and Jewish traditions which say the Deluge was a global event, there is some difference in opinion in Islam over whether the flood associated with Nuh was localized or global.
Hud (Heber) هود
According to Islam, Hud, for whom the eleventh sura of the Qur'an is named, was one of the few people to survive a great storm inflicted by Allah, like with the Deluge five generations earlier, to punish the people of the world who had forgotten about Allah.
Saleh (Shelah) صالح
According to the Qur'an, Saleh was ordered by Allah to leave behind his people after they disobeyed Allah's order to care for a special camel and instead killed it. In Saleh's absence, Allah punished the people with a large earthquake.
Ibrahim (Abraham) ابراهيم
Ibrahim is regarded by Muslims today as one of the significant prophets as he is credited with building the Kaaba in Makkah. His family, including his son Ismail, is also credited with helping create the civilization around Makkah that would later give birth to the final prophet of Islam, Muhammad. Ibrahim is also noted for almost sacrificing his son Ismail for Allah in an event now commemorated annually by Eid ul-Adha.
Lut (Lot) لوط
Lut is most notable in Islam for attempting to preach against homosexuality in Sodom and Gomorra, only to be mocked and ignored by the people who lived there.
Ismail (Ishmael) اسماعيل
Ismail, first-born son of Ibrahim, is a notable prophet in Islam for his near-sacrifice in adulthood. According to Islamic tradition, as a child he and his mother Hagar's search for water in the region around Makkah led Allah to reveal the Zamzam Well which still flows to this day.
Ishaq (Isaac) اسحاق
According to Islamic tradition, Ishaq, second-born son of Ibrahim, became a prophet in Canaan. He, along with his brother Ismail, carried on the legacy of Ibrahim as prophets of Islam.
Yaqub, according to the Qur'an was "of the company of the Elect and the Good" and he continued the legacy of both his father, Ishaq, and his grandfather, Ibrahim. Like his ancestors, he was committed to worshipping one Allah.
Yusuf, son of Yaqub and great-grandson of Ibrahim, became a prominent advisor to the pharaoh of Egypt since he was believed to have seen a dream that predicted the economic state of Egypt. He spent a large part of his life away from his eleven brothers, who, jealous of Yusuf's success, told their father Yaqub that Yusuf had died.
Ayub (Job) أيوب
According to Islamic tradition, Ayyub was rewarded by a fountain of youth, which removed all illnesses except death, for his service to Allah in his hometown outside Al Majdal.
Shoaib was a direct descendant of Ibrahim. According to Islam, he was appointed by Allah to guide the people of Midyan and Aykah, who lived near Mount Sinai. When the people of the region failed to listen to his warnings, Allah destroyed the disbeliever's villages.
Musa, referred to in the Qur'an more than any other prophet, is significant for revealing the Tawrat to the Egyptians. The Qur'an says Musa realized his connection with Allah after receiving commands from him during a stop at Mount Sinai. He later went on to free the enslaved Hebrews after failing to convince the Egyptian pharaoh of Allah's power. Musa subsequently led the freed Hebrews for forty years through the desert on a long attempt to capture Canaan, the Promised Land. During this long journey, Musa received the Tawrat and the Ten Commandments during another trip to Mount Sinai. At the end of his life, according to Islamic tradition, Musa chose to die to be closer to Allah instead of taking an offer that would have extended his life.
Harun served as an assistant to his elder brother Musa. In Islam, he, like Musa, was given the task of saving the Israelites from the Egyptian pharaoh. He would often speak for Musa when Musa’s speech impediment prevented him from doing so himself.
Dhul-Kifl (possibly Ezekiel) ذو الكفل
The status of Dhul-Kifl as a prophet is debatable within Islam, although both sides can agree that he was indeed a righteous man who strived in the way of Allah.
In Islam, the Zabur (equated by some with the Psalms) were revealed to Daud by Allah. He is also significant as he is the one who defeated Goliath.
Sulayman learned a significant amount from his father Daud before being made a prophet by Allah. According to Islamic tradition, Sulayman was given power over all things, including the jinns. Known for his honesty and fairness, he also led a kingdom that extended into southern Arabia.
Islamic tradition shows that Yunus was commanded by Allah to help the people of Nineveh towards righteousness. However, after Nineveh's people refused to listen to God, he became disgruntled and started to ignore him. After an incident where Yunus was spared death, he decided to re-commit himself to striving for Allah, attempting to lead the people of Nineveh to righteousness. But after returning to evil, illicit ways, the Scythians conquered them.
Zakariya (Zacharias) زكريا
A descendant of Sulayman, Zakariya was a patron of Maryam, mother of Isa. According to the Quran, he prayed to Allah asking for a son, since his sterile wife al-Yashbi could not provide one. Allah granted his wishes, temporarily lifting his wife's sterility and allowing her to give birth to Yahya.
Islam says that, throughout his lifetime, Yahya captivated audiences with his powerful sermons that preached monotheism.
One of the highest ranked prophets in Islam, Isa was sent to guide the Children of Israel. The Qur'an makes it very clear that in Islam, Isa is not the son of Allah, as Christianity teaches, but rather a prophet of Allah. He was able to perform many miracles but only by the will of Allah. Islamic traditions states that he committed his life to nonviolence and abstained from drinking alcohol. It also states that he received the New Testament although the version seen today is different from the one revealed at the time. Muslims believe that Isa was not crucified on the cross, but is in heaven, waiting to return after the appearance of Imam Mahdi to defeat the Dajjal.
Muhammad is the most revered prophet in Islam and the only one who does not exist in either Judaism nor Christianity. Born in Makkah in 570 CE, Muhammad spent the first part of his life as a well-travelled merchant. He would often spend his time in the mountains surrounding Makkah in prayer contemplating the situation with the city. According to Islamic beliefs, at the age of forty during one of those trips to the mountain, Muhammad began to, despite his illiteracy, receive and recite verses from Allah which today make up the Qur'an. He quickly began to spread the message he was receiving, convincing a few others in the city, including his wife, to convert to Islam. He became the leader of those who had submitted to Allah (Muslims), setting up a new city (present-day Medina) away from the oppressors in Makkah. Muhammad served not just as a prophet, but as a military leader who helped defeat the Makkans in 624 during the Battle of Badr. He continued to lead the Muslims spreading Islam across the Arabian Peninsula. He performed the first hajj in 629 and established the form of Islam, with its five pillars still practiced by Muslims today. Others continued Muhammad's legacy after his death in 629 proclaiming themselves as caliphs (or successors) to Muhammad.
Other possible prophets
The following verses open up possibilities for prophets other than those mentioned in the Qur’an:
"And certainly We sent messengers before you: there are some of them that We have mentioned to you and there are others whom We have not mentioned to you..." [40:78] "For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger..."[16:36] The verses open up debate, and there is no strong consensus as to the other authentic Prophets.
Al-Khidr is not mentioned by name, but is traditionally assumed to be referred to in Qur'an 18:66.
Biblical prophets Danyal (Daniel) and Ishaia (Isaiah) are not mentioned in Qur'an but often revered as prophets.
Luqman is mentioned in the sura named after him but it is unclear whether he is a prophet or a wali.
Additional numerous historical figures may have been prophets, but this is a source of debate and contention, among them: Zoroaster, Gautama Buddha and Krishna. However, Muslims will state that there is no way of knowing for sure since they are not mentioned by name in the Qur'an. An argument often used in support of the prophethood of such men is that they came with the word of Allah, but it was later corrupted, this accounting for the differences between Islam, and the respective religions with which each man is associated. The Hadith and Qur’an support such claims that say that a messenger was sent to every people.
Mary the mother of Jesus is not normally regarded as a prophetess, but is regarded as having been sent a message from Allah via an angel. A few scholars (e.g. Ibn Hazm) have argued that she was a prophetess, but she is not mentioned in the Qur'an as one, and thus it cannot be definitely established if she is or isn't. The majority position among Islamic scholars is that no woman
Merkwaardige ooreenkomste, is dit nie.
Last edited by Die Ou Man; 05-18-2006 at 09:27 PM.
Ek het nog nooit die behoefde gehaat om die Islam geloof te ondersoek nie,maar die is n EYE OPENER.......
05-19-2006, 01:08 AM
Ek is tevrede dat die Israel gedagte redelik snuif getrap is en daarmee volstaan ek.
Verder is daar vir eers, genoeg nuwe "materiaal" wat eers verteer moet word.
Ek haal weer die volgende aan:
Jesus het om die volgende redes gekom:
Om as ware verlosser die liefde en teerheid van God weer eens in die gedagtes van die mensdom vas te l'e.
Om die mensdom voor te berei op die koms van die Vader-Koning.
Om die byna vergete en grootliks wanbegrepe goddelike wyshede te laat herleef.
En om die mensdom te help om hulself te bevry van die slawerny deur eiesinnigheid, en om sodoende die tyd wanneer die liggaam van skaamte nie langer nodig sou wees nie, te verhaas.
Israel Waarheid mense is baie grapperig!!! HUlle haat Jode met 'n passie maar wil tog so graag Jode wees, jammer ne
05-19-2006, 03:38 AM