"I want to go home." - 05/13/08 07:32 PM
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Posted by: lupane
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l ealier hinted that more xenophobic attacks will takes its course and sad scenes still being perpetuated amongst Zimbabweans in Desploot and another slum town which l cannot remember.
IF the truth has to set pple free , then Mbeki has to be blamed for, through his myopic assertion failed to forsee that crisis in Zim will eventually spill into otherside of zim.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 10:21 AM
Into engenza ngithi lizonda amashona yikuthi likhuluma ngokuthi the violence against foreigners in SA is ok coz they are protecting their land unlike Ndebeles who 'have failed to keep shonas out of Bulawayo'.My question to you still stands why are you not kicking out the Phirirs and Bandas first? In SA they want to kicking out immigrants.... not xhosa or vendas... etc.Are shonas more foreign to Bulawayo than someone from Malawi or Mozambique????
Kungasenani do you honestly think that you can defeat UMgabe shuwa? How many Shonas are in Zim compared to the Ndebeles?How much of the armed forces is made up of Ndebeles? Who is in power and in control of the country's most effective weapons?Its a none starter bhudi!
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 10:57 AM
Ukutsho kanjani ukuthi silenzondo kodwa thina sikwazi ukuhlalisana lamaTshona koBulawayo? Ukutsho kanjani lokho, such careless and myopic statements have no place in a civilised discorse. Angikholwa ukuthi ukhona umuntu othi ukuhlukunyezwa kwabantu eSA kulungile. Abantu babekile ukuthi bacabanga ukuthi izizathu zokuhlukunyezwa kwabantu zingabe ziyiziphi hatshi ukthi bavumelana lokuhlukunyezwa kwabantu.
Umbuzo wami kuwe dade yilowu, which military wing was stronger, more disciplened and more trained betwen iZIPRA le ZANLA. Empini amanumbers aqakathekile kodwa awatsho ukunqoba. Ungazeyisi ube usufuna wonke umuntu azibukele phansi njengawe. Uma uzeyisa ziyeyise endlini yakho kube yikuphela.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 11:28 AM
This whole Zinophobia issue is a whole lot bigger than you understand,abafazi bayaba raper,they forcefully take property from anyone they think is foreign,they have even gone to the extent yokuxotsha ama-pedi lama-xhosa,and some of you have the audacity to try and make this whole thing sound as if it is justifiable?,you sit in front of your expensive computers khonapho e-UK,safe in the knowledge that no one is going to barge into your bedroom and rape your wife and your daughter while you watch,and you want to make it sound as if ku right,i beg to differ.Dont get me wrong,im not saying ukuthi ama zimbabwean ase goli have a right to be there,im just saying ukuthi they could have at least been given a warning ukuthi bazoyenza ubugebengu obunje,most people would have preferred to go home than be subjected to this inhumane treatment.Its not like ama zimbabwean aqale ukufika egoli izolo,kudala abantu bebuya egoli.The whole seems a bit premeditated,if for one second you think it was spontaneous thing,you are very wrong,these people have been mobilised by some higher political power,maybe IFP,or some organisation called SANCO,kodwa bottom line is into le iwrong. we have left the whole shona thingt for too long,and we cant just budge into Bulawayo,guns blazing and start killing every shona in sight,i like to believe we are a bit more civil than that,kodwa make no mistake,siyawazonda amashona lawo futhi ayazi,but its complicated,lest we be likened to these uneducated,myopic,ignorant,foolhardy cousins of ours okuthwa ngamazulu,we will deal with the shona issue less vehemantly.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 01:16 PM
Mbaleki i doubt very much that the IFP has that clout or support in Goli to do such kind of a thing. Buthelezi is known and has publicly defended the Mthwakazi people who are in South Africa. Why would he do such a thing? Ngisola ukuthi Inkatha imane ibhadwe ngodaka njengento engayenzanga. The hatred of foreigners by South Africans is not confined in one tribe. Most South Africans hate foreigners, ngokuzwa kwami kuthiwa abantu abazonda amaforeigners kakhulu eGoli ngaBeSotho lamaPedi.
Mbaleki, uyizwe kuphi into yokuthi sekuxotshwa lama Xhosa lamaPedi. Angiyikholwa ke leyonto mina.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 05:14 PM
Uphambene, how dare you think people do not care about what is going on in South Africa, how dare do you think we are not worried that women are being raped, how dare for you to think that it will not hurt Mthwakazi as a whole if your wife and daughter are raped in front of you, how dare you think any member of Mthwakazi is not shocked, ufuna siyenzeni.
Go toBulawayo with guns blazing, that is the only option stand for something
Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, Alexander Hamilton said those words.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/17/08 07:39 PM
Swina's make a third of the southern africa region and yet they want to rule the entire place,they want to impose they langauge whenever they go am quite sure the taxi drives of alex have had enough of isilungu.The shona don't make an effort to learn other languages secondly under the mugabe governance they have learned to be very deceiptful to such an extent one can only loath them. I lived ematshotshombeni for years learnt tsonga,sotho and totsi tal and never had problems with oguluvu nor the taxi drivers. It's a pit they have brought a lot of problems to ebantwini be singunini who have lived ematshotshombeni for so long.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/18/08 07:43 AM
Lalela la wena Xabuxabu,ungabothi umuntu ma elombono ongafani nowakho ube usu siba offended,mfanakithi,yebo ngingabe ngiwrong ngezinye izinto engizikhulumayo(and that is debatable),kodwa that doesnt in any way give you the right to say ukuthi "ngiphambene",i could retaliate and start a war of senseless profane words with you kodwa my mother taught me better than that mfanakithi,in every argument mfo,you should use soft words and hard points,wena lapha you are just name calling and basically not telling me anything i dont know,sebenzisa ingqondo not inhliziyo,that way you mantain an absolute level of objectivity,not this immature subjectivity olayo,so you really think we should go to Bulawayo with guns blazing?
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/18/08 07:53 AM
Ukuthi sokuxotshwa abaye bobo ngizwe ngomunye umjida ohlala khonale e-alex,apparently ba-rape lomunye ususi womxhosa ngoba ebethethwe ngumuntu wase khaya,but its heresay,so angingeke ngithi ngi 100% sure ngakho,uyabona eminye imihlobo ingabe izonda amazimbabwean kodwa ayitshengiseli njengamazulu,besides wona amazulu ayehlukene,lawa awegoil awanankinga,but lawa awe natal/durban,ungadlaleli kuwo,ayakubulala.There was a time ngama 90's when this zulu guy(i cant remember his name) was minister of home affairs,he initiated "iskhukhula",and yena self wayehamba etown ekhombela abantu that didnt look like south africans,so they just might be pushing the masses inti action.
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/18/08 02:13 PM
yebo mbaleki, my question(s)to is, Where those white farmers given a warning during the Farm invasions which saw most of them being butchered?
where the Ndebeles given a warning that the north korean trained fifth brigade would be coming for them?
if the answer to the above is a NO, then i say to you, for as long as you wish to preserve your culture, what happened in SA is exactly what people should do!!!
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/18/08 02:19 PM
yes killing of innocent beings at times does pay. a living example is the massacre of innocent ndebeles that paid handsomely to the shona people. today many shonas are proud owners of low cost housing in mat'land not to mention farm land kuboNyamandlovu, etc.........
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/19/08 09:42 AM
Steve Tshwete was not a zuluboy my friend , you are mistaken here.
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Re: "I want to go home." - 05/19/08 03:44 PM
uxolo mfowethu,kutsho ukuthi i got my facts mixed up
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/19/08 07:23 PM
Ke ngikuhlephulele kancane ngepsych yamaSouth Africans ngokwazi kwami: Ngivumelana lawe ukuthi SA generally hate foreigners.I sisusa kuyini, impendulo i complex kodwa can be derived from their immediate history.Ukucwasana ngemihlobo lokweyisana kuvele kuyingxenye yabo.iApartheid is to blame.I homeland system is to blame kakhuu ngoba yayidala i 'teritorialism'. I can not point a finger to anyone as a causer of this violence.
.i IFP is very capable of doing that.l lived in SA pre and post '94 and l witnessed impi yezitimeleni iNkatha ibophele amaqhele abonvu isidla ubhedu, igwaza njalo iphosa abantu ngamawindi izitimela sihamba.Banengi abafela ezitimeleni ngenxa yokungazi ukuthi indololwane yini ngesiZulu.
Ngabe uyazikhumbula na izimpi zase KATHORUS kumbe ngithi Katlegong/Thokoza/Voolorus ngaseEast Rand.
iBoibatong masecre eyaze yaculwa nguBrenda uyayikhumbula na. Who were the players? Those were the bloodiest black on black violence you can ever imagine. Kuliqiniso ukuthi iIFP has a political clout e Gauteng.Actually it has only 2 provinces to hope for ie KZN and Gauteng. Ngo 1994 yayibhekelele ukuthi izobusa iGauteng ngelishwa yafeyila.Yasinyonkoloza thina abakaMzilikazi esasiGoli isithi sisapote i ANC. Ungaze usikhulume njani isiZulu ma ungasimZulu uyisilwanyana(animal) emehlweni abo.Thus why iNkatha is practically designed for umZulu phaqa.
U Gatsha angimkhumbuli 'publicly defending Mthwakazi people' or extending his hand to us,either as a political leader, traditional leader/prince royal yakwaZulu lapho okuphuma khona u Mzilikazi and most importantly as Minister of Home affairs for 10 years.Ngabe uyayazi i Bulawayo na? I ANC yizo eyazi uNkomo,iZAPU,iZIPRA, bangakutolikela ngezimpi zase Zimbabwe like eSipolilo ngoba they took part.
AmaPedi lamaSuthu, ngiyabaphikela,they dont have iculture yo dlame khona bele xhenophobia njengabobonke.Lezinkokhelizabo angiziboni ezilesikhathi sokuphehlelela into enje.
Leyo eyokuxotshwa kwamaPedi lamaXhoza hatshi ayizwakali sibili.
Lami ngifana labantu bonke angazi ukuthi luphumaphi loludlame ungathi uNkulunkulu engathela umoya abantu baphephe..
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/19/08 09:13 PM
There was a time ngama 90's when this zulu guy(i cant remember his name) was minister of home affairs,he initiated "iskhukhula",and yena self wayehamba etown ekhombela abantu that didnt look like south africans,so they just might be pushing the masses inti action.
Previous minister of Home Affairs obedila ngama id and migration nguMangosuthu 'Gatsha' Buthelezi.NgumZulu phaqa lo.I post yakhe yathathwa ngu Nosiviwe Mapisa Nqgakula.
Previous minister of Safety and Security obedila ngamapolisa ngu Steve Tshwete ipost yakhe yathathwa ngu Charles Ngqakula the huby to Nosiviwe.NgamaXhosa buthathu babo laba.
NB :Amapolisa are not under ministry of HA
Isikhukhula ngabe besiqhutshwa yi xminister of HA or xminister of SS?
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/20/08 08:12 PM
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/21/08 06:41 AM
Originally Posted By: BATHWALIBOPHAHLA
Nfowethu , Isikhukhula sasiqhutshwa ngu Steve Tshwete , the xminister of Safety & Security . I say so because i personally met him during the operation isikhukhula in 90s at Berea ( JHB ) in front of one of the common Zimbabweans residential place (flat) called Helderburg . He was within the members of SAPS going identifying and pin pointing where he wanted his operation to target the most . One to two years after that he was assassinated .
Yes Bathwalibophahla , uGatsha ( IFP leader )was once a minister of Home Affairs BUT was not the one in the fore front of the 90s Isikhukhula .
Re: "I want to go home." - 05/21/08 12:19 PM
This wave is suspiciously zonal..see how its gone quiet in Mamelodi.. it hasn't got to soweto yet, so this coming weekend the fight goes to Soweto....Africa will never get it right...at least not in our generation....do people understand that over 50% of the companies employing our people are non-SA firms???? Globalisation will pass us by while we sleep....how many of us have a cousin brother, friend employed by an African from north of our borders? my guess is at least one......these guys know hardship and tehy know opportunity if they see it... dont get me wrong..some foreigners do commit crime, either as foreign run groups, or in collusion with locals...but to persecute a woman with a 2 year old kid (I can hear you say ingane yenyoka uma isikhulile nayo iba yinyoka, a snake breeds snakes) for our troubles, and sending them back to th every politicians whom our own economically and politically advantaged gvt is failing to bring to line through international embargoes an dsport bans at least is totally insane. Jews came to SA, Greeks came to SA, Russians are flocking in (Perculiarly Swazis and Sothos from those two nations are not being harrassed) ...and as they are not shona, shangaan or any non black foreigners..tehy are not persecuted (Not that they should) but as the Jewish have proven in the US, these people do become productive and feel as part of th elandscape and want to contribute positively.....they are also human their kind will be tempted to commit crime, as our own are... Come on World Hold On.. One day you will have to answer to the children of the future........
Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/21/08 01:32 PM
Ignorance is a serious syndrome in a societal discourse. How dare could these shallow , narrow, litlle and semi literate South Africans unleash wave of terror when Africa is about to host ever lingered 2010 WORLD CUP.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/21/08 02:37 PM
I think these guys are not shallow minded, they have done their maths and know that they will not eat World Cup 2010. What they want is a better life not to be chucked out or their RDP houses by foreigner who are corrupt. If I was in their shoes, I will be advocating for that. People should go and make sure that their countries are as prosperous as South Africa rather than ukuthi beze eGoli to overcrowd the locals. The locals are affected by this influx of aliens, their wages are being cut because of the competition for jobs with foreigners who are prepared to get amazambane for imisebenzi.
Mina ngithi phambili ngomzabalazo. By calling these people brainless I think we are missing the point. There were promises that were made by the government and 14 years nothing has been done, people are still living emkhukhwini. The government must do something about this.
World Cup or No World cup the person who is in Alex will not benefit. That person will not even be in a position to go watch the soccer matches so to him its not priority right now. Bread and butter issues must be addresses. World Cup 2010 is a luxury we from Alex can forego it.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/21/08 10:31 PM
I did ask you before what really it was with you and you could not answer me , instead you said mangicace kukanti wena nguwe okwakufanele ucace. All along ubuvele ungazwakali lapha enkundleni ukuthi uvela ngaphi uyangaphi. Yini, uligwala oro kanjani? Something has always been a bit off with you. Kukanti ndoda kuhle ma ungaphumela egcekeni utshele umphakathi lokho oyikhona. Kunjenje besingazi kumbe ungumfazi loba uyindoda. Imbono ehlukeneyo ivunyelwe kodwa ma ulwisa abantu ubafisela okubi kubikabi lokho. Ngcono sehlukane ndoda ngoba vele ingqondo yesitshoneni asihambelani layo. Uyabona manje ubulwisana labantu ngama telephone numbers kufonelwa izanu, you lied, ucatsha ngomunwe uthi ukufonela izanu akusebenzi, you were only rationalising your hatred of Mthwakazi. Manje mfo ungcolile emcabangweni yakho. These days we dont condone brutality even to animals. You call killing of humans prosperity? You are not serious jaha.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 03:20 AM
You do not condone even killing of animals, then animals shall rule you, those who kill rule, there is America, Mugabe, all the same kill a man physically or kill him spiritually, Mugabe is physical a white man spiritually, a white man will telkl you that you are stupid he is smart and the expert and then expertly show you how to give your wealth and soul to him, same shit, baba, choose between life and death, are you going to let animals trample upon you, the pick up that spear in the mind, fight for your life, if you refuse to fight for your life you do not deserve it the animals will take it away from you, and pity you will give it to them.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 05:50 AM
The notion that I am against Mthwakazi is just but unfounded because not only Mthwakazians are affected by these attacks. Aliens as a whole are affected maybe the Mthwakazians are a bit lucky in the sense that they know ukuthi indololwane yini ngesiZulu kumbe ukuthi imbuzi yini ngesiZulu. Tshonas, Tshanganis, and other Kwerekweres are the most affected. So for someone to say I am against Mthwakazi is just but wishfull thinking. Its only that some people have illusions that imibono yabo should stand. For local South Africans, its not far for them not to get these RDP houses when foreigners are given these cheap structures. 2010 can come and go but getting a house in an African country is not an easy task so I am of the opinion that these local South Africans should forego these 2010 thing if need be.
The issue of calling Zanu thugs I guess those who called now realise what some of us were talking about ukuthi its waste of resources coz they do not care. What have you achieved by calling? I guess people should think before they act.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 06:16 AM
Ivovo is right, but remember they might call you Mkwarekwre, bona bayiziphandle, not part of greatness, not part of the promise, do not be psychologically beaten, Mkwerekwere, what the hell are are they, what could they ever achieve without whites, but it is the land the whites gave to them rightfully yours, Transvaal from pretoria nortjh is historically part of Matabeleland, yiziphandle, qinisani, you know the solution to the universe if you wre not greedy for immediate gains, fuck them,, yiziphandle, lina linguphakathi, even if we have nothing, we have what we are, 20 zulu's vs 1 ndebele, let them think about the future, will we die, will we win, leave them, let them think, if they come like the ANC in the 50's in the future tell them to get lost they can not be trusted, tell them to go with their white God, yiziphandla, lina lingo phakathi, fuck them.
Bafowethu, believe you can be a wonder of this world, leave them alone, believe you can create spaceships, laser technology, nuclear physics, alternative energy, you are great, you are the best if you try, if you believe, you do not need them, you helped them in the 1960's when they had nobody, don't beg them, leave them, that economy is very complex, leave them, they will be slaughtering each other in less than 20 years, protect ZULU AND nDEBELE IF YOU CAN, THEY WILL SLAUGHTER EACH OTHER, BELIEVE ME, i've been around, nobody will mourn their slaughter, not even the white men they worship, Mzilikazi called whites dogs, just like his son lobengula, these ones worship, yiziphandle, worship and forget your blood, they than Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana, Namibia, but who helped thme the most it was ZAPU, they are just animals, have you ever seen a gratefull dog, it just eats, they thanked everybody but ZAPU, 1979 we gave them a train load of arms, a train, they can not even say thank you, leave them, yiziphandle, just like an Ethiopian, or a Chadian, they are nothing to you, 1979 a train load of ZAPU arms left Lusaka for Luanda, arms we could have used against Mugabe, but Nkomo wanted a united Africa. Yiziphandle, next time you meet them talking amongst yourself tell the they are yiziphandle, when they ask what is that, tell them it is somebody who is not a Mthwakazi, finish, have some pride.
Remember like them Mugabe went to the white God were is Zimbabwe, were will South Africa be, the whites will just take their money to Europe, China is now the biggest gold producer, let them show off, they do not understand, but uMthwakazi understands, from toaday until a thousand years, yiziphandle, vuma, vuma ngwala, yiziphandle, even in a 1000 years remind them how comes you never attacked a white foreigner, remind them its because they thought he was a God, yiziphandle, thula, teach your children who you are.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 06:59 AM
OH - "YES WE CAN"
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 08:59 AM
Ukuhlukunyezwa kwabantu kubuhlungu. It is heartbreaking that such atrocities are happening in a country I call home by people I call my countrymen, my kinfolk.
Firstly, let me be clear, though I am a relative outsider on this forum I admire the peolpe who are a part of this forum. If only for the fact that you all are forward thinking Africans. It shows that there is a chance that we can overcome the colonialists because although we are "free" we aren't 100% rid of the effects of the "white" man and his tricks.
I am a proud umZulu, I have a home in "rural" Zululand in Natal.( Interestingly I pay homage to abaKhwanazi oVeyane the same people of the person you all know as "Umuntuongenakudla") but because of the times I have to seek employment in the city. I am not the exception. I haven't killed anyone latelty. I haven't raped anyone's sister lately. I haven't robbed anyone of their home and sundry either. Does this mean that I am not umZulu?
I know that when you under attack it sometimes feels like everyone is against you, believe me 14 years is a short time to forget where we come from! I can still recall apartheid with clear, graphic precision. It would be convenient if you could package people e.g. all Indians are unscrupulous deviants who'll rob you blind if you don't read the fine print ( just like Gandhi!) and all amaZulu wear red bandanas, support the IFP and drive taxis ( just like Jacob Zuma!) I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make.
I think as Africans we should be trying to ask where this animosity is coming from because I don't think that any African organisation would gain from such practises. The current ANC leadership is made up of the same individuals who were cared for by our neighbouring countries so it wouldn't make sense to them to chuck out the people who saved their lives. Hence many of the leaders have been outspoken in condeming the violence. At this sensitive stage in the life of the ANC the party doesn't need the negative attention. With the change in party leadership all eyes are on the ANC to look for any signs of instability. The global money movers need to see that the ANC isn't steering SA into any ice bergs for them to invest. By the same token the IFP has also been outspoken on condeming the violent attack on our African brothers. If I'm not mistaken after the first bout of attacks the IFP national spokeperson went out on air to warn peolpe not to take things at face value and believe that a single ethnic group or political party was to blame. In hindsight I think the IFP was worried that they would be dragged into this. Interestingly, off the topic, the IFP leader was described as a warlord in a history textbook being studied at schools this year. Needless to say the party is not amused. The IFP is desperately trying to change their image for next years elections because they have lost a lot of support in their traditional bases. It would be a backward step for them to be associated to the violence as well.
I've been longwinded and rather scattered in thought but the point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions and be quick to assign blame. We here in SA were exposed to 3rd force operatives. They were adept at ensuring that the ANC and IFP kicked the crap out of each other. So some of us have learnt not to take things at face value but to attempt to get the facts free of emotion and hearsay no matter how difficult.
In closing, to those of my brothers on this forum who feel that amaZulu are degenerate life forms, learn to address the individual. Just like as in your immediate family you have a million differences a nation is the same. It is rather shortsighted and limited to believe that a nation is a repetition of a few individuals who have crossed your path.
Let us all work together to stop this behaviour because it will destroy us all if we allow it to make us point fingers and call each other names.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 11:17 AM
Not to be divisive in these times of xenophobia and the Jacob Zuma and Thabo Mbeki camps, but there is a popular belief that, much like Afrikaners, Zulu and Xhosa folk can?t be bothered to engage others in their mother tongue.
No one knows just yet who?s worse between the 100% Zulus and the Xhosanistas ? the accolade for arrogance is still being contested. But really though, when did Zulu and Xhosa become the lingua franca?
Generations scriptwriters should get a golden star for effort. In recent times I?ve noticed how different characters in the soapie have expanded their vocabulary to speak a number of African languages, including Afrikaans.
For example, the woman in charge, Karabo Moroka (Connie Ferguson), often greets and wars with S?busiso Dlomo (Menzi Ngubane) in smatterings of Zulu. And not so long ago we were entertained by Grace?s mother (Helene Lombard) when she delivered a plausible performance as a coloured woman from Cape Town who speaks Xhosa, Afrikaans and English. And even baddie Kenneth Mashaba (Seputla Sebogodi) has on a number of occasions duelled in Shaka?s language and spoken lovingly in Verwoerd?s.
There?s just one snag ? it seems the language stream is flowing one way.
If my memory serves me correctly, I?ve never heard characters whose main language is Zulu attempt to be multilingual. Why doesn?t Ngamla (Menzi Ngubane) attempt to say something civil or horrible to the other characters in their mother tongue, I?ve often wondered?
One, of course, could argue that it wouldn?t be believable if say, a character like Khetiwe (Winnie Ntshaba) who started off as a farm girl from KwaZulu-Natal was suddenly to wax lyrical in Sepedi. But it wouldn?t be a bad idea if Paul Mashaba (Siyabonga Twala), who has a Pedi brother in the make-believe world, could actually utter a word in Sepedi, instead of always communicating in Zulu.
It does send a terrible message when all the Zulu-speaking characters don?t even attempt to converse in any of the other 10 official languages. It says that the Nguni tribe?s lingo is superior and that other languages enjoy an inferior status.
But to lay all of this on Generations? doorstep would be disingenuous. The problem is deeper ? the soapie is merely imitating reality.
Ive also observed how the Sothos in the office are more interested in other languages, while felt this is not reciprocated. I?ve also noticed that if two Tswanas get into a taxi, not knowing that they are from the same clan, they are more likely to chat in Zulu, even though they are both struggling to express themselves.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 11:42 AM
My experiences are Pedis are worse than Zulus when it comes to these language issues. If you talk to the person in English or isiNdebele, they reply you in their Pedi language laloba ungamazisa ukuthi awusitholi kahle leso Sipedi bakushaya ngaso angazi ukuthi babunjwa njani laba bantu.
Tribalism emzansi is there even though people might want to hide by this rainbow thing, itribalism ihlabile, thats the reason why Xhosas are presidents
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 12:11 PM
I turn to differ with you I grew up in Evaton in the Vaal Triangle and i grew up with Sothos, Shangaans/Tsongas, Zulu and Xhosas at Home we spoke Zulu but my friend I can speak, Sotho, Pedi Tswana, Xhosa Fluently and I'm trying to be fluent in Venda and Shangaan, but where I currently live in Sasolburg the are was mostly dominated by Sothos, they don't even try to utter one word in Zulu when i first came here i was classified as leqhotsa because they could tell a difference between Xhosa and Zulu I always asked how can i differentiate between Sotho, Tswana and Pedi,it's upon an individual.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 04:27 PM
thanks cabucabu, uwabeke kahle ngempela!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 04:35 PM
its not only the zulus, better they are the amaZulu in flesh and soul and are fighting for what is rightfully thiers, le kwaMgots, certain tribes ganged up and identified themselves as SHONA (Zezuru, Karanga , Manyika, Korekore, etc), all because they want to drive the Ndebele people to extinction.
if the world first deals decisively with Shonas, then i will start castigated the zulus for their actions.
for now, Phambili ngezenzo zamaZulu!!!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 04:38 PM
Let us not stray away. The issue is not ama tel numbers and the phoning of zanu, that has nothing to do with you and me as of this moment, it is somebody else s work and I respect it as such. The issue is neither Mthwakazi nor anyone. I was really talking about you, your person, as pertaining to the killing of a human being iloba enhloboni. This wanton murder of people, I was saying has brought you out in the open, the kind of heart you harbour. Angitshongo na ukuthi ubucatsha ngomunwe all along? Khona manje you are talking of aliens. What is an alien?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/22/08 10:30 PM
Ngiyalibingelela lonke ngokuthula. Bantu abamnyama lina abakithi ngilandele udaba lolu eliluphethe lapha. Abanye ngivumelana lani njalo abanye ngibona ukuba lilahlekile njalo aliyazi into elingayo. Abantu labo bonke abaxotsha amaAfrica emzansi asibotsotsi but are a reflection of the whole of South African society who are now hiding begeza ngokuthi ngamasela enza uhlazo lolu.
Laba abantu besithi yizihlobo zethu kanti siyaphupha, besithi singadla mnganumunye labo kanti bayizikwaba, hatshi mina ngiyala ngimba phansi njalo Mthwakazi omuhle bengicela ukulitshela ukuthi kangiloyi kodwa ngithembe ophezulu. Isizwe saseMzansi sitheze olulenkume, bukani eleChina ukuthi belenzani abase Thibhethi? liyazi bafowethu ukuba umdali uma lalabo abangelawo amandla okuzilwela, kwenzekeni kwelamaTshayina? Bantu bakithi thulani livale imilomo yenu lizazibonela, batshise abantu bakithi, bachithe igazi labakithi asazi ukuba bazalibika kubani.
Thina njengesizwe sikaMzilikazi asenzeni njengelakwa Israel sithembele kuye ophezulu. UHittler wababhidhiza kodwa elemelika labadingela isigaba loba nje belokhu belwisana lamaphalastina kodwa balokwabo, bayazibusa bezithuthukisa...ungaphi yena uHittler owayebatshisa ngomlilo ovuthayo? ngibuza lina.
I urge all Mthwakazi people and fellow Africans to start a campaign of boycotting all South African products lapho esikhona. Abaculi babo nxa beza lapha bethembe imali yethu kumele babuyele bethwele umoya, lalabo abalokhu beziqhenya ngalabo baculi bekwaito yakhona leyo bebapromotha kumele sibabonise ukuthi thina singajikisa sivele siyanyanya. Lets boycott South Africa products like the Tibetans boycotted Chineese products. As for me bafo! am going to start pages on the internet encouraging people to boycott the 2010 World Cup IN SOUTH AFRICA. WHY SHOULD THE FREE WORLD SUPPORT BARBARIANS like these idiots? Roumour has it that Tokyo Sexwale, SACP and members of the former thugs called SDU who used to torch 'neclace' up people in the 80's and 90's are the ones behind this campaign to kill our people. They have their own agenda to unseat Mbeki so they are using our people as ponies.
Forget these people who hallucinate in their daytimes thinking Zulu's or any South Africans of any kind are our kith and kin, yes they maybe historically but now it is like the relationship of Esau and Jacob who were Isaac's sons in the bible. It is now about our survival as a nation that matters.
Let us look out for one onother lapho esikhona singalwisodwa kumbe sihleke labo abasebunzimeni. Loba labo abathengwa ngamabhayisikili labo sebekhala isimayemaye sabo sibasizeni singabeki ngoba sinatha mthombomunye labo kithi le! njalo selusa emadlelweni manye labo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 06:16 AM
Khona manje you are talking of aliens. What is an alien?
Am not straying away mnumzane, I was responding to your thread and I hope you got exactly what I was putting across. I realise that you want me to assist define an "Alien", next time check your Oxford dictionary first before you bother some of us for definitions are given.
Its true that every foreigner in RSA is an Alien, its only that you choose what word you want to call those individuals.
Check out these definitions of Alien: http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+alien&meta=
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 08:59 AM
Hang on a second, yet again the issue was not even the meaning of 'alien' Its like this is purposeful straying away, is it not? The issue is you, your heart, the condition of your heart ma uzihlalele nje ucabanga ngomuntu. The wanton murdering of human beings, so many souls, thats what I said to you. Ukuchitheka kwegazi mfo iloba lingelami noma elakho. Imicabango olayo wena ngokwakho, even ngalabo ohlala noma olala nabo. Isimo sengqondo yakho ma ubona umuntu ephela umphefumulo phambi kwakho, what feelings take place on the inside of you. Uyajabula oro kanjani? Ukuthula kube lawe.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 10:26 AM
I do not think if these Aliens were told just by word of mouth ukuthi go back to where you come from, they will have just left where they had invaded. Umuntu uzwa ngenduku, thats the only language s/he understand. Ukufa komuntu or kwenyamazana its not good, kuzwisa usizi, BUT in some instances kuyenzakala. Am not happy that people are dying NO, mina am saying Aliens should go back to where they come from period.
Esikhathin labo abacitha imiphefumulo, its not that they want, BUT its about survival. In some instances its either uyadla or udliwe.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 02:51 PM
Mina zihlobo engifuna ukukwazi yikuthi sokubalulekile na ukuthi ngama ZULU atshaya abantu?
We seem to be venting our anger at the ZULU because the PASSWORD was INDOLOLWANE, which is not only ZULU but many other Nguni languages use it.
IS IT SOUTH AFRIKANS OR ZULUS RUNNING RIOT?????
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 06:24 PM
Mthwakazi kandaba ngibuye ngilibingelele njalo. Baba Zwangendaba iqiniso elikhona ngelokuthi inengi lalabo abaqale loludlame yiwo lamazulu asemahostela abehamba edlwengula odadewethu njengamagukulahundi njalo besethusela abanawethu bebagwaza ngamabhemba abo. Labobona ngicela ukhohlwe ngabo babiza abantu bakithi IZILWANE bona beyibo izilwane. Yizinja zabantu lababantu. Babonakala njalo bezwakala ukuba ngamazulu impela. Kodwa lokho akutsho ukuthi lento ayigoqeli wonke amasouth africans njengoba nanku lamuhla sebesizabalazela eDurban, Cape town, North west lase Mpumalanga kanti lawo amavenda eLimpompo akade etshaywa egoli asebulala abantu bakithi elimpompo.
Into engiyizwe lamuhlanje yikuba izidumbu zifika ngobuthumuthumu koBulawayo njalo bakhona asebekebaya bayabamba izandla labo abalenkathazo ezivela egoli. Leyo bantu bakithi kasiyo fantacy yikho nje le UN isingenele.Asikhohlweni ngamazulu kabalandaba lathi, ngababelendaba nga uGatsha wenza into elenqondo sabona phela.
Njengoba bengitshilo ngaphezulu linto iqalwe ngabantu abalenhloso yabo bodwa sebesekhahlameza abantu bakithi lezizwe zeAfrica izinkingeni zabo. Lundoda abathi ngu Sexwale uxwalile ngoba abaziyo bayalikhuluma igama lakhe kuloludaba loba nje besebenzisa isilungu sabo sokuthi 'THIRD FORCE'.
Kulojaha owake wathi kufonelwe iZanu ithethiswe abanye bamsolo kodwa mina bengicela ukuba siphane amaNamba alezizinyamazana Zase South Africa sike sizithethise ngale genocide enzeka kweleSouth Africa.
Lets phone these people and protest our anger over the brutalisation of our people.
SACP Spokesperson- 082 226 1802
Anc youth League - Zizi Kodwa - 0823304910
ANC youth League Gauteng - (011)832 2424
Mr Timothy Charles Williams (Acting National Commissioner)
Mail: Private Bag X94, PRETORIA, 0001
Street: Wachthuis, 7th Floor, 225 Pretorius Street, PRETORIA
Tel: (012) 393 1534 - 6
Fax: (012) 393 1715
Street: The Presidency, Union Buildings, Government Avenue, PRETORIA
Tel: (012) 300 5351
Fax: (012) 300 5755
Home Affairs Director-General
Mail: Private Bag X114, PRETORIA, 0001
Street: 270 cnr Petroleum and Maggs Streets, Waltloo, PRETORIA
Tel: 012 810 8033
Fax: 012 810 7307
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/23/08 10:14 PM
Mtakababa, phephisa, nxese, I'm not sure if you have heard a single SA citizen apologise for the current madness. I'm only one person but please allow me to apologise for the pain you feel. I can honestly tell you that the majority of SA is totally against xenophobia, today I heard a hawker on the news in the Cape say the following " I don't want these people to leave. They have taught us a lot about how to run a successful business. They are contributing positively."
Tell me mfethu, why do you think African society fails so dismally when they have achieved freedom? If SA is boycotted and its citizens deported back, will you be any better off? Two wrongs don't make a right especially since a lot of what you say is based on hearsay and poor quality of info. Don't allow yourself to be a tool to separate Africa. Let us find out who started this for what reason. Don't listen to the gossipmongers, just now they'll start saying you are to blame.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 12:00 AM
This is not hear say but a qoute from a Mthwakazi woman our sister being attacked by the so called ZULUS. Qoutes from BBC website. If this is also hearsay then I wonder.
"Thabiso, a 36 year-old Zimbabwean woman, had to flee the township of Thembisa near Johannesburg, after a series of xenophobic attacks". "I was awoken by the sound of screaming on Monday. I realised they had set alight a shack belonging to a Mozambican immigrant".
"He tried to escape the fire. But the residents were armed with all sorts of traditional weapons and AK-47 rifles".
"They threw a brick at his head and he fell down.The mob caught up with him, doused him with petrol and threw him back into the burning shack".
"The screams of the burning Mozambican still haunt me. When I close my eyes to try to sleep, I see the man screaming for help. But no-one helps him. I have never seen such barbarism. Other residents, who had seen us taking refuge at the house, followed us shouting: "Where are the foreigners?"
"This mob was armed with sticks and knives. They called out the house-owner's name and ordered her to give us up".
"What saved us was that we could speak Zulu, unlike some of the others who could only speak English"
If we can protest against the Chineese olympic torch the way it was done then we can do even better gainst Xenophobic 2010 South African World Cup.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 12:08 AM
This is madness at its best, how come people think that only Zulus are involved in this barbaric fracas? In Jozi most people could speak Zulu, regardless which ethnic group they belong to. If i speak in Shona, does that mean that i am Shona, some of us showing untold shallowness just because we hate Zulus. Tell who is responsible for the violence in Cape Town? Are they Zulus again? Stop it mani, Zulu is just the lingo that happened to be used by these barbarians hunting our people down. I wish i was still there ibe izokhala iAK enyameni yendoda.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 12:21 AM
In such trying times we need pro-Mthwakazi leaders to stand up and talk for our people. This chaotic time could be manipulated to our advantage, we want our leaders wherever they maybe to stand up and talk for our people or forever shut their beaks.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 02:59 AM
Sengiyakuthola manje thanks. I thought you were rejoicing that people are being killed. I felt like you were saying it is right, let the killing continue. Makukuthelela usizi lawe njengabanengi angeke ngakusola mfowethu. Laye uMthwakazi uthi kawunamona laye, thats fine. Bengikuzwa isikhathi esiningi like you are anti Mthwakazi. Kukanti lakho kuyabe kulungile ma umuntu edecida ukuba anti, it is a matter of choice. Bengisitsho nje for the sake of understanding amaposting akho. CHEERS
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 11:30 AM
ngicela umbono wakho Zwangendaba on this line of thinking, Is this not an opportunity for all those who have been affected by Shona tribalism to help get rid of those people eSA so they can go back home bayosotha uyise uMgabe?
okwesibili ngumbuzo nje, why are people screaming out so loud all of a sudden, yet upto this day the very same xenophobia against the Ndebele people is still happen, believe it or not we have lost that identity yobuNbebele as a result.
Nxa ungangipha okuyi-Discussion on what i am trying to put across ngingajabula mfethu.
i would also like to state that where human masses are involved word alone can not successifuly send a message, thats why iZanu does not hesitate to kill. likewise if we so desire a seperate Mthwakazi State i suggest we learn how to do things from what is happenning here in SA. for people to listen to you, there has to be an action of some sort!!
Ngiyamukele imibono yakhe wonke uZulu loba nje ngibhalele iZwangendaba.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 12:35 PM
Today in Gauteng many people are gathering to show their disgust at the barbarism being perpetrated by South Africans on foreign nationals. This is a welcome gesture but on the other side bukani ukuthi AMAZULU wona what kind of gesture they offererd;
SABC NEWS May 24, 2008, 08:15
The Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) in KwaZulu-Natal has condemned a decision by the Ethekwini Municipality to deny Zimbabweans in the city permission to stage a march today.
Zimbabweans aligned to the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) were to march to highlight the plight of their fellow countrymen and the latest attacks against foreign nationals in South Africa. Cosatu's provincial secretary Zet Luzipho says the municipality should have tightened security and allowed the march to take place.
If this so called Zulus are indeed our cousins then where is that brotherhood? Unkulunkulu akakabakatsi ngoswazi basazoyifunda ivaliwe.
When Mugabe unleashed the 5th brigade on our doorsten they ran amok on us like hungry hyenas raping our mothers, sisters and daughters, killing our brothers and fathers. They showed no remorse in all their activities, to them it was onother shift at work. This is the reason why we have come to hate abesitshoneni not of who they are but of what they have done. They have counter claimed that we did the same through our ancestors who came to their land with Mzilikazi and have accused us of stealing their cattle and women. One thing that strikes me about the Mthwakazi nation is that our leaders were not that barbaric, instead of raping and maiming those we encountered and defeated we infact pardoned them and incorperated them into our society and we lived happily ever after. Check this out1 The same tactic that the Shona's used gainst us is the same tactic that the South African's led by the Zulu's are now using. They both claimed that we are stealing their goods and taking away their women, they both maimed and continue to maim or people burning them alive and shooting them from behind. They both have set mobs against our people and have failed to apologise and take responsibility. Mugabe said 'yes' it was a moment of madness and the South Africans say 'yes' its a buch of thugs being fed up with their social problems which enamate from the influx of Zimbabwean illegal immigrants.
Sizwesakithi how sad that the people we think are our kith and kin have turned to be our worst nightmare.Instead of aknowledging that our people are refugees they turn around and address their Baas and say our people are illegal immigrants, they sit in the United nations security council and fool the world on their constitution that means nothing practically. Human Rights? Where is a place one can find human rights in South Africa? A place where women are raped every 3 seconds and many thousands succumb to gun crime every month. A place where a police docket can disappear infront of the judge. Young boys are sold to deathrow prisoners for sex in jails.........where is their democracy? can someone with their right senses please tell me.
Yes we suffer today but let them be warned that we went through Gugurahundi, we have reflected on it and what we are going through now does not frighten us a bit. We have grown now, we have knowledge and we can pull strings from anywhere.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 04:47 PM
Never kulunge if this is the way anyone thinks things will be rectified. I am shocked, amazed and disturbed by your utterances. Would you rather the eThekwini Municipality risks the life of your countrymen by allowing a march when they have reservations on whether they will be able to provide adequate security? I'd imagine that the security forces are stretched by monitoring the many potential areas of conflict within the municipality. Please, lets us engage ourselves in constructive actions.
Yebo ngingumZulu hence my drive to provide you with the relevant facts. If you have been to SA you would know that many of the non-Zulu inhabitants of the country also use isiZulu as a 2nd or 3rd language. This might be the reason why the idiots who are harming us all use the language as a yardstick to measure citizenship.
Hopefully common sense will prevail and like-minded people who have a goal of peace & prosperity in mind will prevail. Kodwa I suspect that that isn't what some people would like to see. AmaZulu aren't what you think they are. Have a look at the history books and apply yourself. You'll see that it hasn't been all rosey for us either. We have been discreditted for years as brainless savages and baas boys. Are you aware how many of the ANC founding fathers were amaZulu?
Mfethu the only Zulus that are plotting your demise are those with criminal intentions ( who are the minority by far) and those in your discriminatory imagination. I wonder which country has no problems. Where you are at, are there no prisons, criminal courts and rape kits? If there are, what are they for?
Let me apologise for my tone, I don't mean to seem all knowing but it seems to me that you just don't want to see the real picture by choice. I recognise that SA has challenges but who doesn't?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 05:06 PM
Skhotha you are not Zulu at all. The very few sintu words you used betrayed you.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 05:21 PM
Mthakathi you are so right. I am umZulu. As I write this ngisesabelweni kwelikaVeyane!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 06:03 PM
ungazisikeli ehwahweni mfondini.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 07:53 PM
Angibonge muntomdala for correcting my use of the isiZulu language. It just goes to show what a diverse people amaZulu are. Phela, isiZulu is a dynamic language with distinct regional variations. A person from where I come from would have understood the following from my "error". Ngisesabelweni sakithi kwelikaVeyane izwe. However I am no professor of languages and okubuhlungu ukuthi isiZulu ngasifunda/ ngisifunda ekhaya ngenxa yodlame. Kodwa ngoba uSomandla esibekele nina I have hope.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 10:19 PM
Mina ngokwami angiwuboni umehluko phakathi kwe Gukulahundi lamaSouth Africans. Lase Zimbabwe akhona amashona athi wona awazi lutho ngokubulawa kwethu kodwa bona babehleba ngobuNdebele bethu besibiza amadizidenti. Lawo amaSouth Africans azenza sengathi awazi ukuthi kwenzakalani ngexenophobia attacks bona ikanti bengasithela basibiza Makwerekwere kumbe izilwane.
Okusalayo yikuthi uMthwakazi Mthwakazi uyazazi ukuthi ngubani kuzancenga bona abafuna ukuncenga mina labanye abanjengami kasiwancengi amabhare, ibhare yibhare wethu. Into okumele bayazi yikuthi abangakwenza lathi singakwenza ngcono futhi njengoba sibabonisa ngobungcitshi bethu kwezomnotho lasemfundweni.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/24/08 11:39 PM
Ngiyabonga mina. Usukubeke obala ukuthi vele ngokwakho amaZulu yiziphukuphuku. Lokhu okwenzakala lapha eSA kuhlohla izinhlamvu kulesosibhamu sakho sokugeyiza ngokuhlukumezeka kwakho nabakwenu. Kokuzayo ungayivunulisi inkulumo yakho, just put it out there that ' I have contempt for so and so" don't hide behind anything. Siyazi ukuthi akuyena wonke umuntu osithandayo.
Kona akukuhle ukungazwani komakhelwane kodwa siyazi ukuthi kuyenzeka, akusethusi.
Mina kodwa angeke ngidikibale ngoba nginethemba lokuthi bakhona abanye bakini abaziyo ukuthi abantu kumele bahlangane ukuze izizukulwane zethu zingabi ogarden boy ingunaphakade. Khululeka ngaphakathi mfowethu, kuyothi ususenkingeni umemeza udinga usizo lwethu siyosukumela phezulu, sithathe imikhonto namahawu senze esidume ngakho.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/25/08 08:50 AM
Buthelezi voices his South African shame
"We are all shamed. As a South African, I am shamed that such a dastardly thing has happened in our country," Mangosuthu Buthelezi, the Inkatha Freedom Party leader, said on Saturday.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/25/08 06:33 PM
sikhalelane bakwethu ngodlame olungaka singumkhaya munye.
bengicela ongabe elexesha angichasisela njalo acacise ukuthi kutshoni ukuthi iNdebele elithi lingumZulu lizisikela ehwahweni?
liphole bakithi, ngoba sengikuzwe kanengi lokhu, lasekhaya injiva bekuthiwa zizisikela ehwahweni nxa zikiliza isiZulu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/25/08 07:37 PM
Konje what is amnesia ngesiNguni?
Re: disapointend by MDC-T comments onXENOPHOBIC - 05/25/08 07:58 PM
bantu lingixolele ngiphatheke kubi ngento ekhulunywe ngumongameli weMDC-T egomora 'uthi abantu babuyele ekhaya beyovota'mina ngombono wami it was not time for campaining bekuyisikhathi sokududuza ngoba kulabantu abasitshiyileyo njalo zinengi ezinye inhlanga zabantu ezienvolved.njengomholi kufanele azi ukuthi kukhona abantu abasuka eZimbabwe ngesikhathi yena eku youth zeZANU.abanye bahamba ngesikhathi seGUGURAWUDI, abasela makhaya ezimbabwe abantu bahamba ngoba oyise labomkhulu babesebenza egoli kukhona njalo abanye abagangeniyo indaba yombangazwe and they dont surport imdc uthini ngabo.minabengifisa ukuthi kube uthe amashona kumbe abalandeli bakhe kabanze ezim
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/25/08 09:33 PM
Ingcazelo : ukufenguza , umZulumbumbulu kumbe umZulufongkong ngolwasestradini.
Basically it means a Ndebele that masquerade as Zulu.They are diverse reasons why Ndebeles masquerade as Zulus or let me say 'used' to ( coz these days aMahilibro asezifananela nje le Magwegwe ngoba usuzizwela o 'shuwa sibili MaMoyo labo woza phela sekaMaNdlo' ku Twist St labo 'Wanderes' emini ligwaze umhlaba. Izizatho are/were generally centered around survival in a foreign land:
.ukuzenza samZulu bekukunika some level of safety from ekudojweni ngamapholisa njengesifika lemithwalo. Ma uhamba la ma jida ungqavuza isiNdebele even if ulamaphepha abanye bakho may not have and ukubakhipha ezandleni zamapolisa kuyabiza esikhwameni.You may even loose your own papers even engawoqobo.
.ekutholeni umsebenzi by passing as uMzanzi ngoba isiZulu is spoken differently eg depending ukuthi uphuma eMpumalanga, eKZN, elokishini etc. Ungazikhethela wena ukuthi kleima yiphi iorigin depending ukuthi leyo local geograpghy uyayazi.
.Social acceptability- omakhelwani lalabo ophila /osebenza labo tend to be confortable with you if they know ukuthi ungomunye wabo even if they are Sotho.Talk of issues of trust when dealing with clients or in busness.Linguistically, isiNdebele can easily pass for a Zulu dialect with minimum manipulation in SA,therefore you dont want ukuthi ma u blome lamajida bathi
iscamtho sakho si snax ngoba sewulokhe ungqavuza isiNdebele-nde.
I hwahwa lelo isnt Zulu scamtho kuphela but imannerism, ama-values-nyana etc kuwela uNgulukudela kuyiwa kuKhisimusi ekhaya.ZiNjiva lezo! Because we were masquerading for the whole year if not more as Zulus its difficult to shed the musk witin a few days of arrival.Again its not desirable to remove that musk because wahlala kakhulu ekhaya siyaphephuka isiZulu leso, ma usubuyela e Goli ufike uqale phansi ukugoqa ulimi lokunyathela to align with the locals.
Thus why lejuba lalithi likhala ngekhisimusi siliphike sithi salitshiya lingekho.
Ungasisola ngali survival musk yethu yini we Emz ?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/25/08 10:23 PM
uyabona manje sekuyacaca nxa bekusenziwa i-survival mask. obekungidida yikuthi besekuzwakala sengathi ukuba ngumZulu kusupiriya than ukuba liNdebele, my bad. sengiyazwisisa manje.
thanks a lot mfowethu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers
The victims of this violence can easily easily easily tell the difference between Zulu and any other Nguni langauge when spoken.Any Gauteng resident particularly a Nguni speaker like our Ndebeles can surely do that; there is no academic issue about it. When the perpetrators execute their violence they just dont utter one word as a password but express themselves in sentences and really it does not take more than one sentence for a victim to identify the Zulu and even the dialect.Generally these Zulus are hostel dwellers and they can be identified not only by a strong Natal Zulu accent but also the mannerism and looks etc ie if you know what to look for.To illustrate this if you were to meeet my favourate Zulu singer Shwii on the street of JHB you would not doubt that he is a proud Zulu hostel dweller irrigardless of his stardom. We know each other bhudi and l can easily be their victims if l m on their path by just identifying my physical features, my walk, etc. Finally there has been some precedence in the modus oparandi which makes them chief suspects.
As for a force ( political or otherwise) behind it we are all yet to establish.
Re: disapointend by MDC-T comments onXENOPHOBIC - 05/26/08 12:46 AM
Utsho kahle muntu wakithi, inginyanyisile i opportunism ka Tswangie when our people are at their most vulrenable state. Their lives are in SA,work, children and all .Uzobaphani eZimbabwe.If he was happy about what happened to our people he should have just applied principles of quite diplomacy, may be we were going to be convinced that he is a clever leader who knows how to run away from Mugabe and also run away from the xenophobic Zulus.
Yiyo leyo i presidential material yakini ngubo?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 01:39 AM
obekungidida yikuthi besekuzwakala sengathi ukuba ngumZulu kusupiriya than ukuba liNdebele, my bad. sengiyazwisisa manje.
Another phisi yehwahwa Ama Ndebele are a proud people and l have not seen one that wants to make a'plastic surgical' tribes change to be Zulu other than trying to link and get inspiration from the history and langauge that connects us.Indaba ye supiriority of Zulu over other SA tribes like Sotho ikhona njalo siyayisebenzisa to our advantage when we masquerade as Zulus. For example ezixhokolweni lasemagudugudwini masizikhulumela isiNdebele/Zulu sethu eminye imihlobo ayisideleli based on ukuthi uZulu udume ngani eSA . Uzwa bethi 'bale ke ma Zulu', meaning be careful those are Zulus !
Engazi umTswanawenkosi ukuthi ngingumZulumbumbulu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 07:11 AM
EMZ, uxolo mnumzane ngiyabona ukuthi uyithethe njengokuba ibhaliwe lento. Ukuzisikela ehwahweni ebengikutsho, yilokhu okokuzikhangelela phansi njengeNdebele, uthi loma uphakathi kwabakini uthi wena ungumZulu kodwa isiZulu sakho sicacile ukuthi yisiNdebele. isiZulu noma ngithi ukuba nguMZulu akutsho lakancane ukuthi ungcono. Uma usebantwini bakini ungasikhuluma isiZulu there is no problem kulokho kodwa into engididayo yikuthi uzibize ukuthi unguMzulu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 08:26 AM
Bengilokhu ngiyilonda lendaba, abanye bathi ngamaZulu abanye bayala, ngilokhe ngimelele impendulo yombuzo othi.
"Abashaya banye eKapa lodumo ngamaZulu na?"
Ngizwe kuBTV ukuthi lakubo Rustenburg kulesitimela esitshayiweyo ngamaZulu na??
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 09:26 AM
You may get answers from analysing ukuthi udlame luqale kuphi,luqalwe ngobani, and where did we experience gross human suffering njenge death ,trauma, displacement and loss of property.The victims are alive and were not anaesthetised during the organised operation yase Alex and ba stranded manje emqandweni which makes them vulnerable to deseases.
Waqhela to Kapa and Rustenburg as you say, you will loose the elements of this operation, and you will start picking i opportunism, sheer criminality labothathekile imota yamaSwina which we even later saw khona kwaseGauteng. Uphinde uqaphele amasmookescreen!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/26/08 01:38 PM
Omunye woMzulu uphume kuTV (BBC News 24)26/05/08, ehekla uZuma obekade ezama ukubakhuza. Manje aMazulu asesithi azaDiphotha wonke amaforena agoqela lawo ahlezi ngokuvunyelwe emthethweni. Uyalibona ukuthi liZulu phaqa ngoba likleklile lokuklekla njalo lolimi lwakhe luyamveza. Labo abalokhu bemela amazulu ebulala abantu bakithi kabehlukananga labantu abafana lo Enos Nkala kumbe u Callistus Ndlovu ababesala besimba phansi ukuthi sibulawa nguMgabe lamashona.Kanje omunye wabo kuthiwa wagxumukela emgqonjeni ogcwele amanzi ethi ugeza ubundebele bonke kuye.
Thina Amandebele kasincengi muntu, ubuzulu kabumangalisi lakancane futhi kasibudingi. Mina nginje ngahlala iminyaka eminengi kuleliyana elikaMandela,lokutshona ngifakaza kungangichithela isikhathi sami.Zinengi indimI zakhona engizikhuluma ngingazikilizi ngoba ngazifunda lami ngifuna ukuphila emangweni wami.Kodwa isindebele sakithi ngeke ngisilandule kumbe ngisilahle njalo ngeke ngifulathele abantu bakithi loba kuyinini.
Enye indaba ilapha, Ngicela lingitshele ukuthi ungaphi umehluko phakathi kokusola labo abakithi abayake bayezikwejisela kumagigi aboMafumo labo Mutukuzi lalabo abalokhu besiya gidana lamkwayito abo 'Sbunu',omafikizolo labo Malayika? Bonke laba bantu BAPHUMA EZIZWENI ezachitha igazi lemvana enguMthwakazi ezithuleleyo engelalutho lomuntu. Thina abakaMthwakazi siyizimvu eziqunywa loba ngubani ngoba phakathi kwethu kuhlala kukhona abahlezi bemela labo abasisusela amanqe.Its hightime we stop tollerating such garbage anymore.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/29/08 05:24 PM
mgabe loses the 2008 presidential election. he then calls for a re-run. his opposite Tswangilayi runs to neighbouring countries, purportedly seeking support to uproot BOB.
a few days down the line xenophobic attacks are the order of the day where most of elligible voters are based, SA. the SA govrnment is just qu
Could this be an plan and organised way of forcing people to go back home and prepare for the re-run.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/31/08 09:32 AM
Mphakathi ngiyakubingelela mngane.
Angazi kumbe uphakathi kwalezinxushunxhushu zeMzansi Mphakathi .
My take is YES/NO
Yes- because the general population yaseSA is surprised ukuthi uMgabe ehlupha kangaka why thina simvotela kumbe singamsusi esihlalweni in other words we are responsible for our own problems.We should therefore go back and do that.What they do not know is that the dynamics of our elections are diferent from those in SA. EZim kule lack of adequate transparency,press freedom, lama logistical issues that create loopholes,a virtual one party state that makes the majority of role players to be manipulated/coerced to draw the party line ,interference and bullying by organs of state, pepertual rigging,indaba yama observers etc.If it was not for this uMgabe ngasewaphuma ngoba angithembi ukuthi uyavotelwa mpelampela. I voters role iyatsho ukuthi wena Mphakathi uhlala ungovotileyo khona u Xa ungazifakeli.Kuse Africa la bhudi!
NO-its true that Zimbabweans probably constitueted the largest number of casualties but the raason could be that we are concentrated there.Other nationalities were affected like Mozas.
Ngabe those that are evicted in SA are elligible to vote ngoJune 2008 ie are they in the voters role or can they fit in ? Are you in mphakathiphakathi? l have never been in.
Ngokubona kwami iSA public is having amaproblem amanengi anje ngokuswela imisebenzi(unemployment),Ukuswela amakhono( lack of skills),i cost of living ephezulu ebangelwa yi inflation lama interest rates, le petro e khontrola konke.
Amathemba okuthola uzibuse aya encipha njalo kulokusabela ukuthi iSA izongena ku ligi yamaAfrica ngezomnotho wokuhlupheka.
Kulepolitics ekhona which polarises isizwe ikakhulu kubhekelelwe upresident welizwe omutsha lokuthi usiphatheleni.
Umbuzo lami engilawo yikuthi zikhona inhlanga eHillbrow-Beria ezivela eWest Africa like amaNigeria why bona bengathagethwanga, ngoba you can easily see them walk there and they normaly dont speak local languages and intergrate with the local population.
Ngingazi kume kwesatshwa zona iziqwanga.
Yimi bono nje Mphakathi nengoba sixoxa.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/31/08 10:23 AM
SA is facing a lot of political and economimic difficulties which is reflected by the society .Yilizwe elihle kakhulu ma ukwazi ukuspota amathuba. Siphephele kulo kakhulu thina abakaMthwakazi ngobaa kwelakithi besincitshwa amathuba ngobandlululo. Ngiyathandazela ukuthi inxushunxushu zalumuzi ziphele Phela besesakhile khona besitshisele amaxokovane ethu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 05/31/08 06:19 PM
Kwaze kwahlabusa ukuba sekhaya THOLE LESILO. I live is South Africa Now I have to say these Xenophobic attacks are really senseless. Kambe umuntu nxa ezobulala omunye umuntu ngokomdabu wakhe kambe kwenzakalani maAfrica amahla. I was talking to a freind the other day juss bouncing some thoughts around.
My observation is this generally mankind does not want to take responsibility for their own misfotunes and actions. The world has developed a BLAME SYNDROME look at this America blames the middle east for its misfortunes. Inja enguMgabe blames the west for his wrong doings ultimatly South Africans blame foreigners for their miss fortunes I SAY MANKIND SHOULD MANUP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILTY BEFORE WE SLOWLY SLIDE INTO A STATE OF TOTAL BARBARISM. If you look at the type of people who are perpetrating these attacks it is those guys who spend most of their time in street coners smoking izolo (weed) and really not doing anything productive you ask they probably don't even have a specific career they can follow. One says foreigners are taking our jobs and if you ask that person to tell you their proffession or trade they wouldn't be able to pinpoint one LIHLAZO leli.
Mob psychology BASITHATHELA IMISENZI they say these people can't even be specific bakuthathele lobani I ask the moment a person says stuff in plural form 90% of the time they don't know what they are talking about I promise. BAFOWETHU LINGALAHLI ITHEMBA. ABADALA BATHI AKUHLWA MBELEKO NGOKUSWELA. STAY STRONG.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/02/08 04:59 PM
mina angifundanga bafethu, ngehluleka lona ugwalo lwesithupha emfundweni yaphezulu - A-level.
akusiqiniso na ukuthi where demand is high, prices generally shoot high? Nxa kuqinisekile, kungani abantu bekhetha ukusola amaSouth africans bengananzeleli ukuthi they are not talented enough to compete for the scarce resources they have as south africans with other nationals and they are only gifted ngesibindi sokusebenzisa amandla.
Kugwalo oluthi Abaseguswini leZothamlilo, kwenye yezinganekwane zikaMvundla, uthi lapho exwayisa omunye athi, "lapha eguswini kuphilwa ngamandla, ongelamandla kaseBenzise ingqondo." Ngakho while foreigners in SA use ingqondo, South africans are surviving ngokulwa. Hungry man is indeed an angry man. yimpilo leyo.
we may say zinyamazana lezo, but mankind has proved now and again that we behave no more or less njengenyamazana. Worse still we are blessed nge-intelligence engaphezu kwenyamazane sizama ukuqilana day and night, the result is oqiliweyo/oqilekayo usually ngophiwe amandla abesesilwa ngoba ebona ukuthi uqilwa ngebhuku leli elabuya labelungu!
Now for some real barbarism, kulalesi isizwe sikaMthwakazi, Sona asiphiwanga Amandla anganani (ngiyazi ngeZipra) njalo asiphiwanga ukukhalipha kobuchopho, (lami ngingowakhona), Bekunganjani take advantage of this situation khonapha eSA, sigijimise amaNtasika hatshi okokudlala????
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/03/08 10:50 PM
Hii Mphakathi uthini ? Yikuganga phela lokho bhudi
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/04/08 06:36 AM
Yinqondo sbali leyo. Singagijimisa amanansinga kuzolunga.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/05/08 10:44 PM
Habe Matshetshe!!! ngabe yini engizwayo?
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Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/06/08 01:23 PM
kodwa , yebo??! Ngqondo bani zenezo Mphakathi lo Makhokhoba ? wena utsh'ukuthi ungabona umakhelwane wakho enotha ngobugebengu lawe uzamlingisela ?yikungabi leplani khonokho !
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/08/08 01:10 PM
ongelamandla kaseBenzise ingqondo
Kusile okunguMgodoyi.Sasile zinduku zethu sizithukuzile wangena koBulawayo ngezinja zakhe wathanyela ngama 80s.Kwakuthi ekuseni kungakavukwa ngoMgqibelo uzwe iloudspeaker emoyeni isithi 'seligonjolezelwe ngamasotha lamapholisa', uzabona sekumnyama phansi la kungesibopasi phezulu kundiza ama helikhoptha.Wayengekho ophumayo khona kufanele ayesebenza ngaphandle kwabonompilo ,labo kwakufanele bembathe okumhlophe bathwale lesi siqhaza sabo esiphundu. Ucuku lwakhona mfowethu!!
Ngikhumbula umakhelwani wethu wathi ngokuloviswa umsebenzi ngalokho kugonjolozelwa wathi akazilibazize ngokwembela amahlanga esivandeni sakhe esenza i ikhompost kwazise basebedlulile kusection yethu eTshaka, kanti muntu wako Gwebu awubuzanga elangeni , zatheleka izinja ezinye ngama 2pm. Kwakhala injambo embanjeni esesenjiswa ngezandla leligodi lekhompost zisithi kukhona okufihliweyo .Uhlukunyezwa kangaka inkosikazi lezingane babhekile, thina omakhewame sesilokhu siphekula ama khetheni kancani singelaqiniso ukuthi ingqobe idla bani next.Ngacina ngathi mphu ukuthelezela ingadi ngesikhathi sale i operation.
Kukhona usisi wethu owayeyiphoxo ma esesibiza ukuthi tea is ready,(call it breakfast by our standards then) wayethi 'seligonjolozelwe ngamasosa lamonkomitsho'.I will never forget that time.
Manje bafowethu i klin iBulawayo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/09/08 02:20 PM
Ngiyakubonga BATHWALIBOPHAHLA, kodwa phe la kumele wazi ukuthi nxa ukhangelisisisa, the whole xenophobia thing is institutuionalized e-South Africa. Angeke ungene kwi-instituional structure sase-South Africa uyephuma ngale ungazange ukhunjuzwe ukuthi kawusiMsouth Afrika.
the Gauteng Director of Husing was explaining after the attacks directed at a 'permanent resident' 'illegal' RDP house 'occupier' that the reason why he was attacked was that he happened to be a citizen foreigner by vurtue of having lived in RSA for 30+ years although he had been born outside the country.
you get the picture baba?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/10/08 09:09 PM
Liyazi, ukungazi yisono.Wona lawo ma'South Africans' kawaboni ukuthi ubandlululo balufundiswa ngobani? Amabhunu eza lobandlululo ,afaka abantu amalebuli, aphathisa abantu amaphepha abatshela ukuthi bangobani , angathi bona kabazazi.Nanko-ke lamhla iziphukuphuku ezingakunanzeleliyo khonokho ziphethe zibiza abatshana labazukulu 'makwerekwere' 'maforeigner'
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/11/08 10:19 AM
Mthwakazi.This is the heartwrenching tale of undoda lowana owatshiswa ephila.mina ngisalute the journalist owahamba out of his way ukuze undoda lowu athole a descent burial.
kubuhlungu, kudabukisa inhliziyo.
The burning man became a grim symbol of SA's xenophobia. Published:Jun 08, 2008
Burnt alive: Ernesto Alfabeto Nhamuave, 35
'He died in Johannesburg while working there. Please accept his spirit. Let it rest in peace'
This week, Charles Molele and Simphiwe Nkwali, the photographer who documented his death, attended his funeral.
Read the Special Report on xenophobia
Singing hymns, mourners walked barefoot in single file to the final resting place of Ernesto Alfabeto Nhamuave.
Last Sunday, two weeks after the 35-year-old father of three was burnt alive on the streets of Ramaphosa informal settlement during violent anti-foreigner attacks, he was finally home.
His uncle, Noah Nhamuave, performed the traditional ciTswa funerary ritual under the tambeira tree, praying for Ernesto's salvation, as he scattered a mixture of peanuts, maize meal and beans in front of about 50 wailing women.
"It is with a heavy heart that I ask you, my ancestors, from all our family trees, to accept your son, Ernesto Alfabeto Nhamuave," intoned the uncle.
"He died in Johannesburg while working there. Please accept his spirit. Let it rest in peace."
This was done to prevent Nhamuave's spirit from turning malicious on the living.
The ciTswa tribe say these rites have the power of liberating a dead man's soul from wandering around the earth filled with hatred and seeking revenge after being subjected to such a horrible death.
As his coffin descended into the shallow grave, Sunday Times photographer Simphiwe Nkwali and Independent Newspapers photographer Shayne Robinson, who took pictures of Nhamuave being burnt in Ramaphosa, took shovels and joined local men to bury the subject of their photographs.
It had taken the Sunday Times team 22 hours to make the roller-coaster journey home with Nhamuave to Vuca village in Mozambique.
The journey began at the corner of Jeppe and Nugget streets, where his family had arranged for the transport of the corpse with the aid of the Mozambican High Commission in South Africa.
Nhamuave, together with two other victims of the xenophobic attacks, Gerad Mathe and Octavia Sithole, were among the first victims to be repatriated to Mozambique.
The adrenaline pumped as we drove towards Maputo, where we paused before pressing on as the sun went down.
Then it was off to faraway Inhambane, where the roads are a real nightmare.
This is where vehicles frequently break down, overheat or get punctures as they struggle along potholed tarred roads and through sandy wastes.
Halfway through, the undertaker's car broke down. We were still 400km away from Nhamuave's home. We helped repair the car but after 100km it broke down again.
We then loaded the body into our rented 4x4 bakkie and continued our journey with two family members, ANC Ekurhuleni regional-leader-cum-undertaker Sammy Leshabane and a member of the Mozambican disaster management team, Elias Honwana.
As they told stories, I gunned the diesel engine and sped off through blinding mist and navigated the biggest potholes in the world while Nhamuave's body bounced in the back of the bakkie.
Along the way, David Mahlanga, a cousin of Mathe, an 18-year-old victim we off-loaded on our way to Inhambane, regaled us with stories about lazy, insolent and "uneducated" South Africans. He was one of those types who become more articulate and animated with every drink he was offered.
When the alcohol ran out, he fell asleep.
We arrived at our destination shortly after 4am on Monday, just in time for the funeral, scheduled for 7am.
Nhamuave's home is in one of the most remote parts of Mozambique. It is a place where Frelimo used to carry out hit-and-run raids against the Portuguese and Alfonso Dhlakama's ragtag rebel force, Renamo, planting mines and holding nocturnal political education sessions with peasants in villages scattered around Inhambane.
Nhamuave was slightly built, benign and slow of speech. He maintained an air of detached amusement even in the most difficult of situations, according to villagers I spoke to.
He was known as o confidente because people confided in him and asked for his valuable advice.
A God-fearing man, he was a lay preacher at the local branch of the Zion United Christian Apostolic Church in Mozambique.
At school he was often distracted, and dropped out in Std 6.
He enjoyed the bush and was an exceptionally good hunter. He used a bow and arrow to hunt rabbits, warthogs and waterbuck. Sometimes he used dogs. Because he was good with his hands, he trained as a builder. His family's reed-and-thatch homestead was built by him.
His brother Jos? told me after the funeral that the whole village, officials of Frelimo and his wife were traumatised by the way he died.
"Everybody is asking, why couldn't they just tell him to leave rather than burn him? We are all Africans," said Jos?.
"The reason we migrate to South Africa is to find jobs because there are few corporations or factories where we can work."
Nhamuave's fellow church worshipper Alberto Meles Zawali said his friend had been a peaceful person even, though he did not suffer fools gladly.
"He would not harm a fly," said Zawali. "He cared for his family. That's why he went to South Africa."
Nhamuave's 30-year-old wife was too heartbroken to speak to us.
When I first saw pictures of him burnt alive in broad daylight, I felt sick.
We did not know his name. He was just a statistic, a faceless victim of a horrific "necklace" killing at the height of the pogroms.
Had it not been for our quest to find out the man's identity, "the man in flames" would in all probability have been buried in a pauper's grave.
We tracked down his relatives at the OR Tambo Memorial Hospital in Benoni, and later helped to identify his charred body at the mortuary.
His brother-in-law Francesco Armando Kanze positively identified him as Ernesto Alfabeto Nhamuave.
He said the burnt man was married to his sister, Hortencia, and was a father of three children: Alfabeto, 12, Juneriso, 8, and Virginia, 4.
As for thousands before him, poverty made Nhamuave undertake the journey to the proverbial City of Gold to find a job so he could support his family and send his children to school.
When he arrived in February this year he worked at a construction site as a builder and shared a shack. Media reports say he slept on a borrowed mattress and owned little but a duvet, a few clothes and a picture book entitled Karoo Blossoms.
Three months later, his dream of earning a living turned into a nightmare when foreigners were told to go home because they were taking jobs and government houses that belonged to locals.
After this chilling anti-immigrant call, it is understood that neighbours advised Nhamuave and his brother-in-law to leave immediately, before the outbreak of the violent pogroms.
But they decided to wait for the right moment before making the journey home.
On Sunday, May 18, they tried to sneak out but they were cornered by a rampaging mob who stabbed, kicked and knocked Kanze unconscious. He pretended to be dead.
His attackers then went after Nhamuave. While Kanze lay " dead", his brother-in-law was bludgeoned to his knees as he succumbed to the blows.
One of the killers took a blazing log from a nearby bonfire and doused him with petrol (some say it was paraffin).
As he burst into flames, some of the thugs spread his clothes and a mattress over him so that the fire would spread faster.
The photographers clicked away at Nhamuave while local bystanders laughed at the kwerekwere.
After helping the family with the identification and transport of their son, my colleague Nkwali seemed emotionally wounded by those who were critical of his personal involvement in the story.
"I did all I did because I was sick and tired at the way people are not given proper dignity in the media," he said.
With the dignified burial of Nhamuave, Nkwali has achieved a measure of inner peace; and so, hopefully, has Nhamuave himself.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/11/08 09:40 PM
Mina le indaba kayingilalisi. Most of the time we get sidetracked by incomplete and unresearched information which leads to un-called for BIAS in trying to solve a problem.
QUOTE>>>" They shouted: "Umbambe engabaleki", which means "Don't let him run away" in Zulu. <<<END OF QUOTE.
Ubaba u MADLENYA has answered this very well by saying that ABANTU ABANENGI E JOZA SPEAK VERY PERFECT ZULU. We have not learnedly concluded that it is the ZULU that beat up people. We have only heard these people SPEAK IN ZULU.
Ingani lohlanya lwangakithi u Nzarayapenga speaks perfect ZULU????? Can we turn around today and say what anger he vents here against uMthwakazi is ZULU MADNESS against Mthwakazi?????
SOUTH AFRIKANS DO NOT WANT US IN THEIR CONTRY. SIMPLE.
WHAT IS THE WAY FORWARD?????
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/11/08 10:39 PM
ABANTU ABANENGI E JOZA SPEAK VERY PERFECT ZULU
Americans, Australians,Canadians, British.....speak perfect English. Even in Zimbabwe ,Ndebeles and Shonas speak pefect English.Ngaleyo research do you then tell us ukuthi ungahlaselwa ngamaTshona ekhuluma isilungu no one will tell including yourself ukuthi ugijinyiswe ngamaTshona ekhuluma isilungu? Perfect Tshona English as it may!
IsiZulu is the most widely spoken language eMzanzi KODWABUT kasifani indlela okukhulunywa ngaso khona siperfect sinjalo.
Khona ungaze uye eKZN uyawuthola umehluko laphalalaphaya. Sikhona osizwa sesiseduze lesiNdebele sakithi.
With due respect, asihlonipheni amavictims and their testimony.They know ukuthi what type of Zulu speakers victimised them. AND the identity does not only rest on the words spoken, there is much more bhudi! Not everything in our lives warrants academic processes ikakhulu ma zisenziwa kumacommunities ngabantu okuhlelwi labo ie these people were not transported fom KZN ngabantu okuphilwa labo as Old Luveve is to Gwabalanda and Old Magwegwe is to Magwegwe North.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/11/08 11:32 PM
Sawubona, mfowethu, ungadinwa kodwa bengicela usicacisela ukuthi uthini. Angizwa kahle, ngathi sesihlehlela emumva.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 12:40 AM
Its suprising to see how some of you boMthwakazi are going to great lengths to try and exonerate those uneducated, academically dwarfed Zulus, into ezingelancedo ezibona engathi the world owes them something. Abantu laba sebekubeke sobala ukuthi abasifuni e SA kodwa libhizi lifuna ukuba lokhu lizisikela ehwahweni. Akusi zihlobo zenu inyamazana lezi, alihlobene labo. Tshiyanani lokudinga ubuhlobo labo, kabasifuni, kabalandaba lokuthi singamaNdebele, kibo singama kwerekwere kuphela, kanti lifuna ukuzwa ngani? Yini ndaba lisenza engani uMthwakazi angeke azimele yedwa, lizaze lingicaphule mani.
Nxa sokungamaZulu lima imihlonga liphike lembe phansi ukuthi yibo ababulali, lithi banengi abakhuluma isizulu egoli. Nxa sokukhulunywa nge gukurahundi sokuthiwa amatshona wonke ngababulali ngoba lawo masotsha babekhuluma leso sitshona, kube kanti babekhona labakithi esindebeleni that were involved in the killings. Lincengani ezikliwini lezi elizi difenda kangaka?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 07:27 AM
Your justification using the gukurahundi scenario against the Zulus is a "dwarfed thought". Lina bantu bakaMgabe lizenza lina elifundileyo, liyeyisa amaSouth Africans, lize libabize izinyamazana ngoba lithi abafundanga, imfundo yenu ikuphi, lamuhla ngikhuluma nje inkulungwane lenkulungwane zabantwana ezimbagwe abayi esikolweni, ngikhuluma nje inkulungwane leNkulungwane zamaZulu zivukela eMaUniversities e SA. Yekani ukweyisa abanye abantu kukanti lani lokho elikuhleka kubo kulikhungathile. Liyazitshela too much, abanye abazi lokuthi amaSouth Africans lawo asefundile amanengi khathesi, of course kukekwaba lesikhathi esibi sobandlululo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 08:05 AM
kanti mthakathindini what the fucken hell are you. you sound like zulu symphathiser, or just a confused idiot who doesnt know where he stands. the zulu are the most likely to call wena Mthwakazi ukuthi ulikwerekwere before any tribe could say that. most zulus yizixiwi, uneducated violent driven lunatics who believe in solving problems violence and anger. Zulus in general are xenophobic ruthless idiots who thru their narrow minds wont stop anything to be violent if it fails to go thru thick heads.
they accept us as descendants of king Shaka, you know why cos they not educated, abazi indabuko to that vfar
Posted by: malesi
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 03:08 PM
Sizwe sika Mthwakazi, mazinyane esilo nizong'xolela ukugxambukela endabeni ngingamenywaka kodwa ngizozimema ngoba lento eqeda kwenzaka nami iyangithinta.Kungaphoselwana inyoka iphila abanye bathi ngaZulu aMazulu ayiphike,kodwa iqiniso yikuthi what happen in S.A and what is happening in Africa poor against the poor, wars ravaging our continents and our greedy leaders ababambelela ezikhundleni ngenzipho,sibulawa yindlala nezifo ezingalapheki, its a shame for thina iSizwe esinsundu, it jus goes on to show ukuthi asibambananga singabantu abamnyama and we exposing ourselves to kwezinye izizwe thats why bezohlala besicindezela because of our weaknesses nangendlela esicabanga ngayo, kungani AmaNdiya aseDurban angabandlululi awaseIndia ngoba bagcwele uMzansi ungaka,aMaBhunu awabandlululi amaNgisi,aMaputukezi namaGreeki ngoba nabo yizifika nemithwalo?? Kodwa bayakwazi ukuthi bahlalisane share bussiness ideas, and how to manipulate umuntu omnyama so as to make profit bathuthukise nezimpilo zabo. Kanti thina sizwe esimnyama sophuma nini ebumnyameni sibambisane silwise ububi,ububha,nendlala sifane nezinye izizwe? siyeke ukucwasana. Angiphinde ngixolise kini bakaMashobana ngombono wami,Isizwe esimnyama our way of thinking still needs to be refined so that we can see things in a different perspective, otherwise in our current frame of mind, we as Blacks we have not yet made History!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 03:43 PM
Ithungelwa ebandla. Ngijabule kanjani ukuthola lepost. Ekukhuleni sifundiswe ukuhlala ngokuthula. Safundiswa ukupha esinye isihlathi. UTshaka wasizingela sacela empunzini. Abetshabi basibusa sibukele. Kuhle ukuhlala mgokuthula, siyakuncoma. Kodwa kulento egithintileyo lamuhla. Ngizayiphupha lebusuku. Lo othe singathatha amachance sigijimise amatasika ......Kungathini?.. Sigijimiswa ngoTshaka nje ngexayabo bevoxa elikaMzilikazi..Mmmmmmm food for thought! Asiwadingi laMaulu. Emzansi lapha sengafunda ukuthi baphansi kakhulu emchilweni wokudla(food chain). Iminyaka le eminengi kusukela uMzilikazi ecela empunzini ngileqiniso lokuthi egazi seladungeka. Asiselabuhlobo. Sibuyele ekhaya ..lithini ngamatasika?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 06:27 PM
Ngilibingelele lonke njalo ngilifisela enhle.
Kambe kanti abantu bakithi bazwangani? Ezixokolweni bayakhuluma kuthiwa sebedaniswe yikuthi okungumfana lokhuyana okuthiwa ngu Athur kuthe akusezi ukuzojaiva.Abanye bathi kusabe ukuthi imgengana yetoni ikuthembise ukukunyathela ikhonzi nxa kungazotayila kwelika Maggie. Lisakukhumbula ukuthi kwake kwahlabela ingoma yakho ethi "MAKWERE..KWERE..KWERE...KWEREEEE! ngesadlulayo. Nampa ompugunyoni balokhu belandela imsila yamadada bepromothana lezinja, kanti bangaphi oMeet me in Zimbabwe labo Majee bantu? Yini abakithi bengapromothi bona belokhu bekhotha incekeza emkenkeni yona inzondo yabo esizweni sakithi imgceke kanye. Its time to promote our own artist liziqhenye ngokwenu. Likhangele lizababona ngokuthanda izinto sebedumisa iJune 16 sengathi bayayazi bengakaze lelilodwa bakhumbule ukuba sizikhumbuze lathi ngosuku olumaka igigurahundi day. Abantu bakithi bayangehlula.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 06:36 PM
Mr Attention Seeker, maybe kungaba ngcono uma ngingathi uyiAsylum Seeker. Umlomo wakho uyanuka, udleni kanti, ubulongwe yini? ngobenkomo noma ngobomuntu??
Posted by: skotshi
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 08:51 PM
Bengingafuni ukungenela lindaba, kodwa uMthakazi has forced me to make my presence felt. Uxolo, ngingazonda angenelisi ukuloba ngesindebele, thats why I want to resort to isilungu for a minute. Mthwakazi, how do you expect people to respect your comments when you clearly show lack of respect for yourself and everyone else reading the postings. You claim that abanye abantu bayazitshela, yet you write very immaturely on this site. What has happenned to you? Honestly, are you proud of your last posting? I'm gonna ask you one more time, Are you proud of your last postin?? We are not here to attack individuals in their individual capacity, but to attack issues and ideas with very logical facts that can be backed up academically in a respectful manner, but wena Mthakathi you have chosen to clearly show uMthwakazi what kind of a person you are. You honestly do not deserve an ear from anyone based on you provocative, disrespectful and very unwise postings. Leave those kind of comments to the Zulus that you are trying so hard to defend. I do not admire any tribe that thinks is better than the other, and neither do I condone the actions of the Xenophobia perpetrators. I am a very proud Ndebele who will never misrepresent myself any day just to fit in with any tribe, be it Zulus or who ever. We need more proud Zimbabweans, especially Ndebeles, who will stand up for their tribe and defend it vigorously, than just try to empower another tribe, like what Mthakathi is doing with these Zulus.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/12/08 11:58 PM
I have only being called a Mkwerekwere by Sotho's and Tswana's, a Zulu, Swati, Xhosa never insulted me.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 06:48 AM
Mr Skotshi, kuhle ukuthi ungithuke, ungenze okuthandayo, angikhathali mfowethu. I was responding to this little ma, who is misguided and a loose cannon. If what i wrote infuriates you without taking into consideration than i was the first one to be attacked, then let it be, i can't help you on that.
Let it be known, to all you Zulu haters that i have a right to love whomever i choose and you have the right to like whoever you want to. As for me and my family, we have no problems with Zulus at all, we regard them as our brothers and sisters.
Posted by: Afrikado
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 07:16 AM
I am a Zulu, not just a 'Zulu sympathiser'. This vitriolic attack on amaZulu people smacks of xenophobia if you understand what xenophobia is. "Most Zulus yizixiwi, uneducated viloent driven lunatics who believe in solving problems [with]violence and anger." This again is an example of generic spittle that is circulated into reality; if you are less than perceptive.
If I were anything but a proud Zulu person who prides himself in being part the population that espouse ubuntu, I would be passing debased opinions such as yours. You lack ubuntu, educated rational and wisdom in general. That being said does not describe your ethnic origins, ancestory or parentage. You are one stupid fellow!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 07:17 AM
suyaphazama manje mthakathiwezigodo, mina asylum seeker, ngomaswina afana nawe lokho. mina mfanakithi ngikude kakhulu kuleyo doti yokubasiphepheli. uNkomo angavuka mfana ame ngenyawo.yeka ukuzisikela ehwahweni silimandini esingumthakathi, zulus want nothing to do with uMthwakazi. if you speak Ndebele or zulundebele concoction, they immediately tell you to immitating or spoiling their language.
ungalingi ungithuke ngoba mina ngizothuka ubaleke empashini lowo orente kuwo.you are just one embecile, ngingafunisisa kahle uzothola ukuthi nguwena inkunzi ye asylum, ujabula kabi uma uyihlomkhulu umgabe ebusa ngoba you have an excuse to be emzansi.amabornlokishi liyahlupha,ngcono uthule mntwanelodger ukhothe insila ngoba yiyo nje into owaziyo. uyazi yini wena Swina-cum-Zulu,hlala emjodolweni uvale ingidi yakho.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 07:50 AM
Is this not the very same stereotype held by Shonas on amaNdebele. I think some of us have been truely exposed by the recent unfortunate events.
...... most zulus yizixiwi, uneducated violent driven lunatics who believe in solving problems violence and anger. Zulus in general are xenophobic ruthless idiots who thru their narrow minds wont stop anything to be violent if it fails to go thru thick heads.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 11:03 AM
Liqiniso ngempela lelo mfowethu.inzondo esenkulumeni lapha ibonisa ukuthi lina mthwakazi are no different from laba bantu ababulala abanye.
ngendlela okukhulunywa ngayo lapha mina ngi convinced ukuthi given a chance abanengi banga revenge babulale labo.manje ma sekunjalo kuba lomahluko na between lina mthwakazi lalababantu elithi ngababulalali.mina angiboni mahluko ngoba seemingly wonke umuntu u blood-hungry.
and this is jus how the blackman always kills his brother.yi cycle engapheliyo.
ayiphele inzondo bakithi.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 11:36 AM
Zwana Dabukamhlaba, violence pays most of the time. Ndebeles were killed, now we are ruled by tshonas. Whites were killed now we have farms,
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 11:59 AM
But mfowethu when and how does it stop.kuba yi cycle engapheliyo.
umzekelo, let me share this piece:
"a man frustrated by his boss at work goes home and beats up his wife, who (wife) then beats up the child, who (child) in turn beats up the cat and which eats the chicks"
akupheli lokhu ndoda.angithi uyabona ukuthi abantu abanengi lapha enkundleni ba suggest ukuthi siye ku stage 2 yomzekelo wami - ukthi njengoba sibulelewe egoli ngcono lathi siyebulala abetshabi.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 05:15 PM
Nenjana small dog aka titisi, njana, njanyana.
Njana, you are an intellectual midget, debating with you is just a waste of time. You are one of the dumbest people i have ever come across. Did you ever go to school? I am sure you did not even pass ZJC, if you did you were coping. Did you do O'Levels, if you did you failed and you could go beyond that, if you did, you are a fool, or you have forgotten everything you learned at school. You must go back to your mother for good-manners lessons.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 10:57 PM
Selifuna ukutshaya amaTshona futhi bantu benkosi, Bekeleni lababantu bavele balezabo ezibasindayo.
Kambe sebengaze babe ngo nobhutshuzwayo
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/13/08 11:06 PM
Mina i problem engiyibona lapha yikuthi amaZulu ahle abulale. Thina koMthwakathi sitshaya idolo lendololwane. Qede besesikhipha iKarivosi yokubhaxabula amabhiza. Besesiyakuvubavuba ngemvubu. Ubonike nxa seqeda lapho uvuka nje uthwale imithwalo uphindele la uphuma khona.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/14/08 06:17 AM
Sanibonani bafowethu no dade, ngithemba ukuthi nisaphila nonke kuzozonke izindawo enilima kuzona. Loludaba olusihloko " Brainless Xenophobic attackers" sengathi seluphaphalazile. Angiboni ukuthi inhloso layo ukuqala udlame phakathi kukaMthwakazi namaZulu. Sekunabantu abafuna sikholwe ukuthi ngamaZulu asungule loludlame kodwa abanabo ubufakazi.
Ngithanda ukubuza kubafowethu uSkotshi noNejana ukuthi yini inhloso yabo. Bafuna thina maZulu amdibi munye nesizwe sikaMthwakazi sihambe siyoziphonsa eweni yini? Ngiyathemba akekho umuntu ongathula kuhlaselwa ubuyena singekho nesizathu! Ukuthi kulenkundla kulungile ukubiza abantu "ngezinja ezingafundile" nokuthi abantu "bayizilima" kuyangidumaza mina. Ubani phakathi kwalabantu ababhebhethekisa inzondo okewezwa ubuholi bamaZulu buthi akubulawe abantu bezinye izizwe? uShenge wahambela abantu abahlukunyezwa ngaphambi kukaMzizi (uMbeki) kodwa nakhona sabona abanye abantu bemnyonkoloza ngoba bethi abantu bakhe ababashayile! Nifuna senzeni? Umasithula nizothi ingoba vele sihambisana nababulali! Umasinibonisa nizothi sivuna ababulali!
Uma ubheka akukho lutho elingaba wuphawu lokuthi ngamaZulu abulala abantu. Ngeke uthi umuntu ungumZulu ngoba ekhuluma isiZulu!!! eKapa lapho ekwaba nezinye izidubedube khona amaZulu awamaningi neze. Manje nithini ngalokho? Kusho ukuthi le"Xenophobic violence" iyizikhawu eziningi? Lena eseGoli naseNatal eyamaZulu. Lena eseKapa eyamaXhosa. Lena eseFree State eyabeSuthu. Ngiyathemba seniyalibona iphuzu engizama ukulenza.
Ngicela ningisize lapha. Kuliqiniso yini ukuthi amasosha eMK ayesiza amabuthokaNkomo esalwa noMugabe? Uma kuliqiniso lokho eyamangaki amaZulu kwiMK?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/14/08 07:27 AM
You guys never claim ukuthi amaZulu they are violent people. Check Hitler killed six million jews, Hutus killed phose one million then in South Africa 60 people in emalokishini not by zulus but thugs on the streets.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/14/08 04:37 PM
Yebo bafo, yiqiniso, abeMK bucwele eGwaii sebeyehla ukuthi bashayeuMgabe le airforce kaSmith, buza uZwnangendaba, uNkomo wabamisa, izinto zikaNkomo, but in the long run if you look at Zimbabwe now amaNdebele need a cabinet in exile as amaShona bazobulalana njengeslwane. MK were with ZAPU because of historical relations a lot of Ndebeles worked in Johannesburg in the mines and built up a relationship with the ANC plus the language factor. but this is all history.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/14/08 11:29 PM
Check Hitler killed six million jews, Hutus killed phose one million then in South Africa 60 people in emalokishini not by zulus but thugs on the streets.
If your numbers are logic then what is your opinion about Gugurahundi? Are xenophobic violent attacks not thuggery?
One life lost is one too many. It could have been you or your kin and numbers can not replace you.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/17/08 09:41 AM
masiyeke we Mthakathindini ngoba esesikwenza manje akuna mphumela mfanakithi. siyagcina sikhuphana amehlo, i will pretend you did not say anything about me for the sake of continuity
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/17/08 12:33 PM
Into enziwe ngamaZulu lawa ebulala abantu bakithi ifana nje leziqu zobulongwe bodede, lo! ongezwayo umnuko wakhona ngithemba uvimbene.
Ukuba liNdebele is not a licence yokuzisikela ehwahweni lamaZulu lodlame lwabo kubantu bakithi. Kuliqiniso elingaphikiswayo futhi ukuthi within the Ndebele nation there are those of sotho, tswana, pedi, shangaan, venda, xhosa, swazi, kalanga,amandebele, venda and shona extract, these are facts of our history.
Umzilikazi weza lezizwe sonke lezi hatshi amazulu wodwa.
Omunye lomunye uyazi ukuthi yena uphuma kuluphi ugatsha hatshi ukuthi sonke sokumele seqe nxa amazulu lawa ethi seqe, history also tells us ukuthi bakhona abakwalayo lokhu njengamasotho agiqa amadwala abaqamula imbambo lamadolo. Umthwakazi nxa uhlukumezwa ngamazulu kumele sivuke ubhova ngoba lathi eleningizimu ngelakithi hatshi ngoba sikhuluma njengamazulu kodwa ngoba okhokho bethu begoqela zonke lezizizwe ezaza lenkosi uMziligazi.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/17/08 05:22 PM
Sanibonani bafowethu, niphile nje nibenezinhlanhla kuphela.
Kubi ukusola abantu ungenabo ubufakazi, kodwa mina nginenkinga. Abantu abafana noNejana bawu bulele umsebenzi wami omuhle kangaka. Udade uKuzolunga ubese elibonile iqiniso ngaloludaba lwamaZulu anindwa ngengazi engayilokothanga inyama. Manje usubuyile lomoya omubi wokukhuluma ngento eningayazi!!
Mina anginandaba uma nithi njengoMthwakazi aniwafuni amaZulu. Ngisho njengoShenge "akudikizi nqulu" ngokuvalelwa ngaphandle kwami namanye amaZulu. Ekugcineni yimi oyisivakashi kulenkundla angeke ngithi akujikelwe esami isiginci, cha ngabe anginayo inhlonipho.
Whether or not there are remnants of other tribes in the Ndebele nation it is of no importance. There are no "pure bred" nations wherever you may go.
Engima kukho wukuthi akusiwona amaZulu abulala abantu emzansi! Nina bongqeqe enibhulayo seningasho ukuthi amathambo eniwaphonsile ame abheka ngaphi ngoba akukho kantolo esigwebe ababulali lana emzansi. Ekubeni thina sinabaseshi nofakazi abahlanganisa icala.
Nize nikhumbule ukuthi uma nizothi ngamaZulu, nisho wonke umuntu ozibiza ngomZulu. Kukhona laba abafana nami abahlezi emakhaya ngaphansi kwengqalasizinda yamakhosi. Thina esizama ukugcina amasiko nempilo yesintu. Nabanye abangamaZulu ngegama nangokuzalwa ngumZulu!
Ngayaphinda ngithi sixhosheni thina esingabona abakini ngoba ukuze abanye benu bezizwe kahle, kufanele bekhulume umathanda ngabantu abangabonanga ngisho nakancane. Uma nifuna simele eceleni ukuze niziduduze ngokusithuka nokuzikhukhumalisa ngoku hudula igama lamaZulu odakeni sikhipheni ngomnyango.
Akusikhona ukwakhana lokhu okwenziwa abanye benu ukuchwensa nje kuphela. Kodwa ke kuwubala lokho ngoba nonembeza benu bayanitshena ukuthi niyasisukela nje. Yini nodwa enaziyo ukuthi umZulu waniphucani.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 08:59 PM
Mina bakithi into engimangazayo yikuthi abantu bakithi bathi behlukunyezwe kangaka bachithelwa impahla lamakhaya abo besebesenziwa izilima engqondweni kuthiwe abazi ukuthi ngobani ababahlaseleyo akube lobufakazi. Ubufakazi bani ngoba amavictims ayafakazi. UmNdebele weGoli uqale nini ukungamazi umZulu bantu? Yeyi lina, aliyiboni ukuthi yi insult to injury leyo. What motivation does anyone (and a Ndebele for that matter) have to pick on Zulus as causers of this xenophobic violence just for the sake of it?
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 09:33 PM
Bathwalibophahla, ngiyaxolisa uma ubona sengathi ngenza abantu izithutha. Futhi ngiyaxolisa uma ubona mina ngithela usawoti esilondeni sezwe ngokukhuluma ngobufakazi.
Ninazo izitha enizaziyo, ezinganifihleli futhi ezizishaya izifuba ngokubhubhisa isizwe sikaMzilikazi. Yini pho kungathi senifuna ukukhanda esinye nisikhandela emoyeni?
Siza mina kanjena mfowethu ukuze thina sizwane kahle futhi nami ngixolise kuMthwakazi wonke ngobulima bami!
Ngicela usitshele sonke ukuthi umehluko phakathi komSwati, umNdebele, umXhosa, umPedi, umSuthu, iHlubi nomZulu. Kungasiza uma ungasihlukanisela ngokubonakalayo ngoba siyazi sonke ukuthi ulimi lwesiZulu alubahlukanisi! Siza mtakababa usiphe noma izinto eziyisihlanu kuyaphezulu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 09:55 PM
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 10:25 PM
Nami ngiyabonga, angethembe ukuthi izwilakho ngizolizwa luzezinkumbi zabantu abawahloniphayo amaZulu. Kungcono ngoba uzokwazi nokufundisa nabanye ngeqiniso!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 10:36 PM
Kunjani? mgithemba uyaphila njalo kuhle ngakuwe. Ngicela ukukuqondisa kancane, ngaphezulu ulobe wathi "udade ukuzolunga". Hatshi bo! kangisuye wesifazi mina. Ngiyindoda egcweleyo Mthwakazi.
Kulindaba yodlame olwenziwa ngaseningizimu afrika loba nje savumelana ukuthi loluhlazo lwenziwa yiwonke amaSouth Africans kodwa labo abatshaya abakithi njalo babonakala yiwo lamaZulu asemahostela.
Kanje loba isela libanjwe liseba likujwayele ukuthi liyaqanjelwa. Mina ngima labo abafowethu abawaqambayo amazulu ngoba bengaphuphi, uMzulu wemaHostela kadingwa we Skhotha, uhle umbone usasemangweni engakawuvuli owakhe, khona lanxa ewuvula ngeke umfanise lomxhosa kumbe iswati unless ungulowana owesitshoneni othatha amatshansi ngesintu.
Mthwakazi iqiniso lisegcekeni, Vumani Mazulu!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/18/08 11:13 PM
Ngaze ngaphoxa, phephisa.
Ngoba sisalungisana ngicela ukukusiza ngalokhu. Akekho umZulu wasehostela, ngabe silwane sini leso okhuluma ngaso?
Ngoba ngiyabona ukuthi awazi ukuthi ukhuluma ngani, nanti iqiniso.
1. Alikho nelilodwa, ngisho elolodwa vo, ihostela elihlala amaZulu kuphela iningizimu africa yonke!!
2. Uze ungazikhohlisi bhuti, angeke wakwazi ukuhlukanisa amaNguni, eqinisweni abantu, ngokuthi ubabuke nje. Mina ngizalelwe lana, ngafunda lana. To this day I can't tell abantu apart. I have had abeSuthu, Tswana etc engaging me at airports thinking I was one of them! Where does uMthwakazi get the skill to do this, please.
3. There are many dialects of isiZulu that are very different. None that I know of are particular to any hostel. Khona lapha kuleNkundla ngasenza isibonelo mhlazane kunensizwa ephikisa isiZulu sami!
Uma ngiphetha ngicela ukhumbule lokhu. Uma unombono noma nenxa nathi unalo ilungelo, asikho isidingo sokuthi uzijustifye. Qhubeka nje uveze umbono wakho kodwa musa ukuqamba amange engane encane kafestiye.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 01:03 AM
Ngiyakuzwa mfowethu uzimisele sibili ukuqondisa abantu la esgungwini.
Abantu kusamele nje bayicine into yokuthi bathi AmaZulu alodlame . Zonke izizwe zilazo izigebenga lamasela.
Into esuke yavela lapha iyinto nje evelele ilizwe lonke. Izigangi sezisuke nje zavuka uBhova. Kumele zijeziswe. Akulunganga ukuthi kuthiwe ngaMaZulu. AmaXhosa ke, AmaSotho ke bona bebe ngekho na. Bona kabaTShayi
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 09:23 AM
Skhotha mfowethu angithandi ukumosha umsebenzi wakho omuhle, kodwa lalela lana nsizwa yakithi, in this instance yexenophobia amazulu ahamba phambili kulolu dlame,or could i say they were ring leaders.mfowethu ukhona umzulu wasehostele,uyathanda kawuthandi legama likhona, ukhona umzulu wasematheksini,wase soweto, its common knowledge. umzulu especially if you are mthwakazian you can tell ukuthi lo mzulu impela, bakwenza kucace ukuthi yena umgumhloboni so as to not confused him/her with any other tribes.ukuthi wena wazalelwa lana wakhululela wafunda lana, thats the reason why you cant differentiate, but as for me thats the most skill i must learn in order to survive or not fall a victim of being called with names. yebo ngiyavuma alikho ihostella elihlala amazulu kuphela but they dominate, even nomsuthu kumele asizwe ngenkani isizulu in to survive or to be accepted. mfowethu amazulu ngiyaphinda ngisho in this instance and the many i can count for you, are responsibly for this udlame(remember Boipatanong issue, the luthuli house incident before 1994 election), i had mentioned a few. uma usithi amadialects, i dont understand ngoba i thought isizulu is part of the Nguni dialect, ngingasazi kumbe which is which. i thought all these ndebele,swati, zulu are part of the Nguni dialect(correct me).masingacatshi ngomunwe kule indaba, abafowethu amazulu yibo ababandakanya kule indaba yexenophibia. did you guys visit abantu ababoshiweyo in connection with the xenophobic especially in Gauteng, kuzocaca kahle into engikhuluma ngayo. guys i am not saying lets hate amazulu, or siziphindisele, no not at all. abafowethu ozulu need to be taught about us uMthwakazi , iningi is out of ignorance and ill teaching, they dont know ngevelaphi yethu, otherwise this problem is not going to be finished. i am inciting anger or recentment but iqiniso yikuthi lana abafowethu ozulu bayalahleka big time. ngiyaxolisa Skhotha mfowethu kodwa ke lana Zulu are in Majority on this one, kalivikwa lelo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 11:10 AM
Mfowethu, ngicela ukubuza wena ukuthi ngoba ukhuluma kangaka ukewababona abasolwa bodlame? Noma uyacabangela?
Kungubungane lento oyenzayo yokuqhathanisa udlame lombangazwe wakudala nalezidubedube.
1) If we say the "xenophobic attacks" were national, we can't then simply separate certain povinces for the sake of saying the Zulu was to blame. Take it as one incident or just sya they were many different episodes that coincidenatly occurred at the same time! Take your pick!!
2) If the Zulu was indeed the ring leader component why not start at home. Why were there so few incidence in KZN but so many in the Cape, Free State and Gauteng? Was it because the Zulu was covering his track? Why then would the Zulu make it so blatant that the "password" would be in Zulu?
3) The issue of the hostel dwelling caveman is vastly overplayed. It is now 2008 in case you have forgotten. The IFP in the bad old days were in the minority in Gauteng. Many supporters worked in the mines and as such would have been the majority in the hostels. It therefore makes sense that In those days they turned the hostels in their strongholds. I would accept that then, now I don't think it holds water. How old would the average hostel dweller be? What aspirations would he hold? They can't be the same as those of 14 years ago!
4) Boipatong happened. People died. Were there any Zulus killed? Were all members of the impi Zulu? You tell me. Was the attack politically or ethnically motivated?
5) Shell house happened. People were killed. Those who were killed were Zulu. I wonder if those that fired the mortal rounds weren't Zulu, who knows. The confrontation was between two political groups both of whom today are headed by proud Zulu men! Where does this fit into your anti-Zulu formula?
6) Mina ngithi usawoti, umama ongizalayo uthi uswayi, abanye bathi utswayi. Kodwa sikhuluma ngento eyodwa futhi sinagamaZulu sonke! Thats what I meant by dialect. I suspect I used the wrong word, I apologise if that is the case, uMahluleli uyazi kade ngasukuma edeskini!
You might just think that it is fine to pass judgement and voice your unsubstantiated, or poorly so, amongst friends and relatives. The fact of the matter is that you are causing unneccessary friction. Someone who trust your judgemnt will autonatically believe your misguided patriotism and hunger to point fingers and as such subscribe yto your views to their detriment! Can you imagine, you tell your loved one that umZulu is a sub human animal who drinks all non Zulu blood. She/he gets to Jozi, gets a cab from the airport, it breaks down and the driver has to go look for help. There I come with my Shembe stickers and uPhuzekhemisi blaring from my Quantum combi that I've just picked up from a service. I offer my hand, with the many goatskin bangles, to take them to a safer area. Do you think after what you are spreading they will take up my offer? What would advise them to do if by some miracle you could tell them? Let me guess " Mubheke emehlweni sweetie,uzoyibona isign ebhaliwe ethi 'good zulu' or 'bad zulu'"
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 12:43 PM
Skhotha nsizwa yakithi angifuni sixabana noma silwe kodwa ngifuna siqondisane amagwegwe. yes xenophobia happen nationally, but the violent one that ended with almost 3 dozen people dead was in Gauteng. yes i have evidence and i have visited the arrested, some are claimimg they have been forced to join the attack cos of fear, that if they dont participate in the act, they will be attacked.akuyona inganekwane le mfowethu, its reality. lets avoid the tendency of embracing bad things cos they are being done by our brothers or fellow tribesmen, uma into imbi, imbi, it must be condemned so that the pepetrators wont do it tomorrow, cos they will know its unacceptable ukwenza into enjalo emphakathini. ngilusizi ngoba sekungathi sewuyithatha personal.Politics is another issue mfethu ngoba okwamanje its just messy within the ruling part if you ask me, so asiyishiye leyo. mfokabawo angifuni ukudala inzondano phakathi kwabantwana besilo kodwa ke lokhu okwenzeke eGauteng was out of line naye uyazi noma ungeke uvumelane nami. If uhlanga oluthile lurongo, lets not support it ngoba bengafowethu-it makes us accomplices(sp) as well.In Boipatanong ,yes the culprits were Zulu hostel dwellers namanje iningi labo are still in those hostels.bengifuna ukuba ngabe mina nawe siyazana bengizokuthatha ngikukhombe ngithi uyambona ubaba usibanibani, is still staying here hostel. inkinga yikuthi nje asazani or maybe we will never meeet, i was going assure you ukuthi angicabangeli i know what i am talking about.
i am not judging anyone, its things that are/were happening
lets not engage on each other but with facts of what happened, Mthwakazi ngicela likhumbule ukuthi into efana nayo le ingenzeke kithi kusasa,find out that Zanu and its cronies refuse to take responsibility or blame on the Mat genocide. all what i am saying is the majority of the unrepentant thugs who killed people during the xeno madness, especially in gauteng ngoba yikho enginobufakazi bakho were the Zulus, i am sorry i wont reframe from that. i am trying to paint a wrong picture about zulus but i am highliting the events that occured in the past weeks, zikhomba bona ngqo!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 12:50 PM
We Nejana, ake ngikuqondise ngolukaMageba ophuza umlaza ngameva! Leli lizwe esilakhele, iNingizimu-Afrika line zifundazwe eziyisishagalolunye (9).
1. KwaZulu-Natal, isiZulu=79.3%;
2. Gauteng, isiZulu=19%;
3. Western Cape, isiZulu=0.0%;
4. Eastern Cape, isiZulu=0.0%;
5. Free State,isiZulu=0.0%;
6. North West,isiZulu=0.0%;
8. Northen Cape,isiZulu=0.0%;and
9. Limpompo Province,isiZulu=0.0%.
Uma ngabe udinga ukuqinisekisa ukuthi kuliqiniso yini okulotshwe ngenhla ngokwakhela kwamaZulu i-Ningizimu Afrika vakashela [u]www.info.gov.za
Izenzo zokuqonela nokuhlaselwa kwabafiki(xenophobia) eNingizimu Afrika ziqale ukubikwa kusukela ngo-1995, lapho bekuhlaselwa khona amaSomalians e Western Cape nase Easten Cape (Port Elizabeth). Abalelwa ekhulwini amaSomalians asebulewe kusuka ngo 1995 kuya ku 1997.
Ungitshela ukuthi izenzo zamaZulu njalo lezo?
Abe zindaba babika ukuthi izenzo zakamumva zokuqonela nokuhlaselwa kwabafiki kwenzeke kakhulu ezifundazweni eziyisishagalombili; i.e-ababoshiwe KwaZulu-Natal-62, Gauteng-616,Western Cape-390, Eastern Cape-0, Free State-64, North West-155, Mpumalanga-97, Northen Cape-11, Limpompo-38.
Qhathanisa ke ukuthi mangaki amaZulu uzifikele kwesakho isinqumo ngesandla samaZulu ezenzweni zokuqonela nokuhlaselwa kwabafiki eNingizimu Afrika.
Kuhle uma ngabe ukhuluma uqiniseke ukuthi uthini Nejana, simze uziveze ubuze bakho.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 01:58 PM
Mina bhinca sengibona ukuthi bhuti akeyibekwe ogqokweni indaba; ngibone ukuthi wena ucabanga kanjani ekuzweni kwakho ukuthi mina ngicabange kanjani....
Speculation is not a Science!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 02:05 PM
Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each).
maybe afrikado asizwanana kahle or angicacanga kahle, i gave specially reference to Gauteng. this was with specially ref to the 2008 xenophobic attack, which drew attention worldwide, uma ufuna silubale udlame dating long back, statics will prove you wrong.as i mentioned above, ngizophinda futhi ngitthi the reference was with Gauteng, where people died, ezinye izifunda it was not related to xeno,eg the Mafikeng issue involving the bots train, was not xeno related if my memory serves me right
9. Limpompo Province,isiZulu=0.0%
the above info is misleading cos my argument is not about how many people speak the language, who were involved in the xeno,
the site you gave is so informative but very unnecessary in this regard. i media izokulahla mfowethu uqhaphele, but anyway its main source of info, but kuhle ukuthi uzibonela wena mathupha, if you stay around Gauteng, ake uthathe isikhathi visit, for example uvakashele indawo lapho okunabantu ababanjelwe i-xenophobia, then maybe we wont have this argument anymore. sicela sizwe singabi emotional about this thing, lets gather facts accordingly, then we will understanding this whole thing.
i hope i am creating enermity with Zulus in this forum, but ngenzela ukuthi bashele abafowethu emakhaya, ezitradwini, sifundisana ukuthi kahle okwenzakayo yikuphi, unfortunately i have not any sotho speaking in this forum maybe naye ubezoyibeka ngeyakhe indlela.
ngiyabonga nge information mfoka-Afrikado, but ayihambelani lalokhu mina engizama ukukucaza.
ngicela singalwi kodwa sibonisane
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 02:16 PM
Ndukuzibomvu, akuyeke ukukhuluma isilozwi, mina angikuzwa, akucace mfethu, explain baba, imicijo imfishane, ngiyalahleka
hayi ke angazi ukuthi ucabanga kanjani ngoba awukasho, maybe somewhere kungeqile
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 02:56 PM
Nanzinyamazana ke lizibone click here for xenophobia video .Kambe oyala iqiniso elinje ngubani. Buka lesi isilima esile ovaros eyiblue ekucineni kwevideo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 03:39 PM
1. "Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the [national] population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each).
2. You reference above speaks to the population of South Africa and not to where and how population is geographically sitauated in the country.
3. Hence I refer you to provincial statistics on the presence of amaZulu per province; so that you can compare the presence of amaZulu versus xenophobic presence across the breadth and width of South Africa.
4. I note that you "refer specifically to Gauteng specially with ref to the 2008 xenophobic attack, which drew attention worldwide. My brother I referred to 8 provinces that have had incidences of xenophobic attacks in 2008 after the Alexandra attacks, which has led the following reported arrests per province: KwaZulu-Natal-62, Gauteng-616,Western Cape-390, Eastern Cape-0, Free State-64, North West-155, Mpumalanga-97, Northen Cape-11, Limpompo-38.
5. So your bare denial stating [that ezinye izifunda it was not related to xeno]is devoid of truth, verify first than make a positive statement.
This serves to show that xenophobic attacks were a national phenomena, which did not originate in KZN or Gauteng Provinces but in Eastern Cape and Western Cape. Somalians have been mainly the brunt of attacks in Cape Town, which intesified last year.
Consequently it would be mischievous to: (i) allege that xenophobic attacks were started and perpetrated by amaZulu as such. Xenophobia is not an illness exclusive to amaZulu.
6. Your logic eludes me when you say: "...the above info is misleading cos my argument is not about how many people speak the language, who were involved in the xeno" How then do you determine the ethnicity of a person if you do not use his/her language?
7. I referred to the language presence, isiZulu in this instance, per province so that you can figure out that xenophobic attacks occurred as well in provinces with immaterial number of amaZulu if any.
8. I will mention a few names of people that were reportedly arrested for xenophobic attacks in Alex who have appeared in court, and you make what you want of it: Siphamandla Mdluli, Sthembeka Kemke, Dan Malebjoe, Vincent Madiseng and Lungile Myeni. Looking at the surnames of these people two seems to be amaZulu, viz. Mdluli and Myeni. Visit www.thetimes.co.za and look for an article published on 31 May 2008, titled 'Special courts to try xenophobia accused'
9. Therefore, Nejana mfowakithi it is simply bigotry to attach xenophobic attacks in Gauteng to amaZulu as a people, when facts point elsewhere. Moreso when all you base this figment on is the political violence that ravaged South Africa in the 90s Boipatong and all. The truth is KwaZulu-Natal saw the longest and bloodiest violence and guess what? Yes you are correct it was amaZulu but that is where ethnic violence theory flounders, because as you presumably know KZN is predominantly populated by amaZulu (+-80%). So when you refer to Boipatong and all you are comparing apples with oranges; the plain truth is that what we saw then was political parties fighting for supremacy.
10. I stay in KZN, emakhaya kwanj'ayiphume. In my area there are Mozambicans, Chinese and Somalians, that is in a relatively remote rural area approximately 100km away from Durban or Pietermaritzburg. During the xenophobic attacks that were not among those who sought shelter in Police Station, but they continued with their enterprises undisturbed. This area is populated exclusively by amaZulu. This is just one of many areas in KwaZulu Natal that live peacefully with foreign nationals.
11. I would therefore urge you to desist from labelling amaZulu, based on a stereotype that amaZulu are violent imbeciles. Unless of cause you seek to demonise people Zulu ancestry.
I strongly suugest that you conduct an introspection on what you seek to achieve by vilifying amaZulu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 06:13 PM
Nejana, mfowethu, angisoze ngavumela ukuthi into encane njengalena ingangenza ngizonde umuntu, chabo bo. Kunalokho mina ngizama ukubona ngesolakho kodwa kulukhuni.
1) Kimina uziveza njengensizwa ekhaliphile futhi ekwaziyo ukucosha ulwazi.
A) Kodwa ukhohliwe ungingitshena ukuthi kulabo bantu ababoshiwe kukhona abantu abangasiwona amaZulu. Ngiyathemba lomfowethu othi indaba isephephandabeni elithize akasikhohlisi!
B) Kulabo ababulala izakhamizi zaseBoipatong kunensizwa eyayihamba phambili ngokubulala enesibongo esithiQuoquo noma into echishe ibenjalo. Mhlasimbe isidlaliso nje, angazi. Nakubona laba abasele zikhona nezibongo engingazazi kodwa angiphiki ngoba iLembe lathi ukuhambela lisakha isizwe. Mhlawumbe ungathola ulwazi oluncono.
2) Odabeni lokuthi udlame lolu alufuneki, mina nawe siyavumelana. Inkinga wukuthi wena uzimisele ngokuthi ngamaZulu aluqalile futhi yiwona alubhebhethekisayo.
A) Uma uzothi ngamaZulu ukubeka sengathi amaZulu, njengesizwe, athathe isinqumo sokuthi akuxoshwe izivakashi. Kungenzeka kanjani lokho uma uMntwana wakwaPhindangene noMsholozi, abangamaZulu asihola ngokwezombusazwe nangosiko lwethu, bekugxeka lokhu okwenzeka? Ngabe bayazenzisa, ngabe sebeze bayithola into ehlanganisa imibono yabo? Angicabangi kanjalo, ngabe kade kwenzeka lokho! Ngubani lona wena obona ngathi ukhulumela amaZulu futhi ukwazi ukusitshela ukuthi sikhohlwe onembeza bethu nemfundiso yobuntu bethu?
Vuma nje mfowethu ukuthi uvumele inhliziyo yakho nomlomo wakho kulawule inqondo yakho!
Ngiyaphinda ngithi khuzeka.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 06:36 PM
Baba, ngicela ungisize. Phezukwazozonke iziphambano engizithwele ama-security setting omshini wami kawavumi ukuthi ngingene kwi-link yakho.
Uma wakhula njengathi ubuka iTV ngefasitela lakwa makhelwane ozokwazi ukungilandisa.
Yini lena engaka ebonakala kwi-video leyo?
Ngisize mfowethu ungangihlanganyeli nokuhlupheka!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 06:40 PM
umzulu especially if you are Mthwakazian you can tell ukuthi lo mzulu impela, bakwenza kucace ukuthi yena umgumhloboni so as to not confused him/her with any other tribes.ukuthi wena wazalelwa lana wakhululela wafunda lana, thats the reason why you cant differentiate, but as for me thats the most skill i must learn in order to survive or not fall a victim of being called with names. yebo ngiyavuma alikho ihostella elihlala amazulu kuphela but they dominate, even nomsuthu kumele asizwe ngenkani isizulu in to survive or to be accepted.
This boy should not be taken seriously, has what i term Shona mentality and he does not take himself seriously, so why should anybody else take him seriously. Nenjana get your priorities right and maybe we will start taking you seriously. You say your priority is to learn how to distinguish Zulu way of talking amongst Zulus and between Zulus and others who speak Zulu who are not Zulus. Can't you realise that you are mixed up, your priority should be learning how to speak Zulu properly for your survival.Get your priorities right youngman and stop spewing hatred and madness here. This boy likes attention too much, he is like a madman, who swims in his excrement to please his spectators.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/19/08 09:44 PM
isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the [national] population,
Its so easy and convinient to cut and paste i statistics for whatever reason but i context ibalulekile. Without scuitinising the statistics l assume it is correct but i relevance yaso lapha is questionable.Using leyo logic ye 23.8% how do you explain ukuthi amaBhunu babuse ngocuku olungebaliswe for decades laleyo 23.8% bengayifinyeleli eMzansi. There is more to power than numbers bantu.Qhubekani ngoku theorayza ngaleyo academics yenu abantu bakithi behlukunyezwe kabuhlungu kangaka.Okusalayo yikuthi bonke abantu bebebhekile ngodlame luka 2008 eGauteng, amareporters , omakhelwane kanye lawo amavictims bebebheke ngawabo amehlo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/20/08 06:27 AM
Ngicabanga ukuthi loludaba sesulukhulume isikhathi eside kodwa akekho ovuma omunye. Kunalokho kungathi wonke umuntu uhamba ethungatha ubufakazi obuzokweseka umbono wakhe.
Kunombuzo engawubuza isuka lendaba ukuthi "umubona kanjani umuntu ukuthi ungumZulu?" Namanje akekho oseke wangiphendula, Mthwakazi omuhle, kunalokho kukhona abalokhu bethi uyakwazi ukuhlukanisa umZulu tekisi, nomZulu hostella, nomZulu phaqa etc. Aniboni yini ukuthi kungucwensa lokho enikushoyo. Kufanele kube khona omuntu onitshenayo, angekhe yini nazibonela lokho ninodwa?
Kwathiwa umuntu okhuluma isiZulu ngumZulu! Ngicabanga ukuthi into efile nje leyo, nengane kafesitiye iyazi ukuthi ngumbhedo nje loyo ngabe singamagisi sonke.
Kwafika abanye abathi bazibonela iziboshwa eziboshelwe lezigameko, ngamaZulu ngqo! Kodwa uma usubheka uhlu lwezi boshwa ubona okunye. oMabjoe (okuyela lapho) nezinye izibongo ezithe phecelezi (ngesiZulu)!
Kuzoze kubenini. Nizolokhu nihamba niyo cinga ubufakazi obusha ngoba nje nifuna ukuma phezu kwamaZulu, ngobani? Nifunani, sitsheneni musani ukulokhu nicasha ngezithupha kuhle kwegwala empini.
I am not for unnecessary bloodshed. I condemn the killing of non-SA people in SA, unequivically.
Bathwali please look at the following thought stream:
1) In South African history which group of people are known as ethnically proud?
2) In SA which people are known for being sensitive to tribal sidelining perceived or real?
3) In SA which group of people are known to show their discontentment by physically fighting back?
4) In SA which group of people pays allegiance to a leadership who exercises a fair amount of control over them?
There are more such questions but I trying to paint a different picture. Now taking the above into consideration would it be fair to come up with the answer of AmaZulu?
This is now more of a South African issue that has repercussions for uMthwakazi who is in SA but minimally those in the home country. What do you think is going to happen if the blanket of blame falls on the Zulu? Yes, we will have to fight, again! Funny how all this Zulu Bashing starts when the Zulu Boy took control of the ruling ANC!
I stand corrected because I haven't looked through all the posts on this forum. Tell me with all the other episodes of xenophobic violence were the Zulu so clearly identified as the perpetrator?
When it is so easy to say that "The Zulus attacked me" and "The Zulus raped me" something is definitely wrong. What makes a victim an unquestionable judge? Sad that your families were violated by criminals but should we now allow them to start a war so that they feel better that they could put a face on their boogymen? Does it not suffice to say "a criminal" or at worst "a South African" or should they start the fires of our own civil war by being authorities on South African tribes?
All the victims of the violence who insist on villifying the Zulus are just adding to the problems (As if the Zulu in a person made him do it, if he/she is a Zulu at all). They are infact true enemies of not only the Zulus but all the tribes of SA and Africa as a whole. Think about it!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/20/08 07:09 AM
I believe I need to spell out exactly what I mean in statements. Below is an exctract of Nejana's posting.
"Akubuyele uyeyifunda kahle mfowethu i-site leyana mfoka baba, then maybe we can debate demographics later,(According to Census 2001, isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23,8% of the population, followed by isiXhosa (17,6%), Afrikaans (13,3%), Sesotho sa Leboa (9,4%), and English and Setswana (8,2% each)."
If you look at my response I corrected uNejana pointing out that isiZulu is the mother tongue of 23.8% of the national population, which is irrelevant anyway. My response in that respect was for correctness sake only.
My reference to statistics does not seek to prove that by virtue of amaZulu being 23.8% of the national population, they could not have been responsible for xenophobia.
Revisit my posting and you will note that the presence of amaZulu per province does not support the theory that amaZulu are the main propagators of the 2008 xenophobia in the 9 provinces of South Africa.
Kodwa uma ngabe ufuna ukukopolota iGauteng, bese uthi amaZulu ahlukumeze abantu bakini, suit yourself.
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Anyway, osokwenzakele sokwenzakele, angeke sikuguqule. Ngaphandle kokufuna leyo evidence yenu, kusobala ukuthi sonke siyayisola kakhulukazi into eyenziwe ngabafowenu.
Olendlebe uzwile kaGatsheni , siyakubonga muntu wakithi ngalawo mazwi, sizozithoba amanxeba.
Sekubhicwa ngezistatitics, oKapa , kanye lezehlakalo zakwezinye izifundazwe ezingaqondene nex lomkhosi wethu lapha eGauteng (2008) okuthinteke khona isizwe sakithi. There is a specific incident esikhala ngayo ngoba ithinta thina uqobo lwethu, bona bayajeneralayza.Ayikho nje into ezanywayo ngaphandle kokwakha intabakazi yesmoke screen. Sekufanele sisithenge leso smoke screen maNdebele, l refuse to buy this, bazothenga abathengayo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/21/08 09:04 AM
Bathwali, Gagashi naninonke bafowethu nodade, niphile nje.
Ngiyanizwa ukuthi ningibona ngisephutheni ngokusukumela amaZulu. Lokho kuyilungelo lenu engilihloniphayo. uBathwali ukhuluma ngokujeneralyza, yini lena ayenzayo pho yena? Engizibuza khona ukuthi yini eyenza umuntu akhethe ukuthi ngamaZulu. Akushiwo ukuthi abaNtu, ama-Africa, amaSouth Africans. Kukhonjwa amaZulu ngqo. Uma sibheka umlando wezizwe zabantu siyazi ukuthi sixhubene kakhulu ngoba ngisho ne-gene pool yethu ngikholwa ukuthi ihlangene. Ngokubona kwami ama-features amaZulu noMthwakazi ayinto efanayo kanjalo nezinye izizwe. Nibona ngani? Shonini bo, mhlasimbe siyanuka angazi?
Nawe Gagashi uyasho ukuthi akusiwona wonke amaZulu anjani njani, kodwa uyaqhubeka nokweseka lento yokuthi kuphakanyiswe igama lamaZulu njekabantu abangobhongoza. Noma ngiphikisana nesibalo sakho sika-1000 noma ngisivuma, ubona kufanelekile yini ukukala isizwe ngedlanzana labantu?
Noma ningathini lento yokuthi kuthiwe ngamaZulu ayimsulwa nakancane, inezinhloso zobubi bodwa.
Igama elithi "amaZulu" likhulu kabi. Lisihlanganisa sonke, nikukhumbule lokho. Uma usuqale wathi "amaZulu" ufaka wonke umuntu ongumZulu hhayi abenzibobubi bodwa. Ukhuluma ngomaShandu ophekela izintandane, ukhuluma ngoNkwali owenza ukuthi lomphefumulo wenkosi owashiswa yizigilamkhuba uthole ukuphumula, yize noma kunabantu abanjengani ababethuka imvelaphi yakhe indlela yonke!
Uma nikwazi ukuthi nibheke phakathi konembeza benu ningaliboni iphutha kulezinkulumo zenu, mina angazi kwayisholo uMaBrrr.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/21/08 03:48 PM
Akushiwo ukuthi abaNtu, ama-Africa, amaSouth Africans.
In this context thus general and
Kukhonjwa amaZulu ngqo.
amaZulu" ufaka wonke umuntu ongumZulu hhayi abenzibobubi bodwa.
in this context uyaxuba nje for the reasons best known to you ,yi megalomania le which is classic
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/22/08 11:30 AM
Mfowethu ngicela ulibeke phansi lelopeni elibomvu nebhuku lakho lePsych101. Ngoba kuyakusitha kulenkulumo yethu.
Iphuzu elimqoka elithi igama elithi "AmaZulu" libandakanya wonke umuntu ongumZulu ngokuzalwa. uNkwali uyiphotographer yamaphephandaba lapha emzansi, umangingaphonsisi iTimes. Nguyena owashutha lobaba owashiswa yizigilamkhuba eGauteng. Ngaphezu kwalokho wathungatha izihlobo zakhe, waze waqiniseka ukuhi uyancwatswa ekhaya lenakoMoz. Kukhokonke lokhu, umangibheka, uNkwali wayengaphoqwe muntu ukuthi asize umndeni kamufi. Iphephandaba lumiholela ukuthi athathe izithombe kuphela. Kodwa uNkwali wakuthathela kuyena ukuthi makathungathe izihlobo zikamufi, athole nokuthi ungubani. Kuyasho ukuthi wayebona ukuthi ubuntu buthi yena makenzeni kulesigigaba.
Endleleni kaNkwali esuka lana emzansi ephelekezela isidumbu siya eMoz, wayelokhu ehlangana nabantu, njengabanye benu, bekhalaza ngesenzo "samaZulu". Bethi amaZulu this, amaZulu that bekhuluma nomuntu oziqenyayo ngomlando wamaZulu ayinxenye yomlando wakhe! Ngisho nabomndeni bebonga uzwelo lukaNkwali bebengazi ukuthi bakhuluma nomZulu ngokomlando.
Lendaba kaNkwali mina ingikhombisa ukuthi kunabantu abazukuthi amaZulu yizilwane ezingebantu. Bahluleka nokubona ubufakazi obuphambi kwabo, njengezihlobo zalobaba owabulawa.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 08:04 AM
Skhotha, mfanami, kunjalo kodwa, ngethemba ube nempelaviki enhle njalo you enjoyed the weekend. you are a small swamp in desert, a very valued contributor to the forum that mostly concerned about the wellbeing of the Mthwakazi nation, isizwe esiphakathi kwenkinga, all problems you can think of, but ubuqolo bakho sebuyangidina manje. kanti yini owalayo lana wena zinyane lesilo, ukuthi amazulu were involved in xenophobic attacks. lalela wena bafo, it couldnt be possible for whole Zulu nation in SA to be involved in that barbaric attacks. check the war in Iraq, who are known in the world to be the ones who involved the war?-the Americans, but were they the only ones?, i can see you jumping to say no, why?, cos the polish,italians, the uk and even zimbabweans for that matter were there. but umhlaba wazi njalo, and if you ask the Iraqis they say Americans. IF THE PEOPLE ATTACKED IN XENOPHIA WOULD SHOUT TO THE TOP OF VOICES, SAYING THE ZULUS, IT DOES NOT MEAN THE WHOLE NATION WAS INVOLVED, IF IT WAS INVOLVED, BEKUNGEKE KUSALE MUNTU OPHILAYO.
the Nkwali boy is photographer, there could be a lot motive behind that, not necessarily out of good will, remember what it has for his career, mostly could nobelprizer(just thinking out the box). lokho ke akucazi ukuba nozwelo kwakhe, why did he diclose ukuthi umZulu,there could be alot of answers!!!
mfowethu Amazulu bayabandakanya kule nxufunxufu, yina into ongazwayo kulokho.you are one in a few who understand the negative impact of that barbaric act, the rest of your unlearned brothers do not understand or know anything about uMthwakazi, kwwaphela, you can defend them here on the forum, but try it on the layman(sp) on the street, they will redicule you.
angisho ukuthi isizwe sika Mthwakazi siwazonde amazulu , but they must know the truth, bazikhethele bona.
kayiphele lendaba ngoba as uMthwakazi we have a lot in our hands to solve and accomplish, ngeke siphike ngawe owala ukuthi ingwe inamabala.
phila mfowethu kodwa wazi ukuthi lokhe ngeze kuntshintshe lakancane.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 08:14 AM
Nina belikaMthwakazi, uma ngabe nifuna ukubona izinga lendelelo yenkulumo yenu eniyibhekise esizweni sikaPhunga noMageba esibalelwa ku 10,7 million ngizonikhombisa. Kade nje nginibuka nisina nithelana ngothuli ebusweni! Nilinganisela ku 1000 amaZulu ambandakanyeka ezenzweni ze xenophobia e Gauteng
=0.01% of the amaZulu population.
Qhathanisa-ke futhi imibiko yezindaba ethi kubanjwe, kwaboshwa izinswelaboya ezibalelwa ku 600 ezimbandakanywa ne xenophobia eGauteng. Kusho ukuthini lokhu kuwe?
1. Sixty (60)% of the people involved in acts of xenophobia were arrested; and
2. That 60% aught to be 100% amaZulu.
I challenge any of you to go out there and verify this proposition; ngimfunge uMfananje angavuka ahambe ngezinyawo namunye ongaphuma nomphumela othi lababantu ababoshelwe i xenophobia amaZulu wodwa.
Nina bakaMzilikazi kaMashobane ningafuni ukuzakhela utalatiya ngeze!
Okwesibili, kunezinkolelo ngezifikanamthwalo eNingizimu Afrika. Isibonelo: izifikanamthwalo ziyimbangela yokunyuka kobugebengu. Kukhona abaphatha ngisho indaba yokuthi kune-snap survey ekhombise ukuthi cellular phone crime plummeted during the xenophobia rage.
It is such sweeping baseless statements that fuel xenophobia nina bakaMthwakazi!
You have drivelled insults, nonsense and hate speech directed at amaZulu for reasons that seem just to you. However, such conduct cannot go unchallenged.
Several times I have been tempted to trade insults for the sake of it. But such insults breed xenophobia a fact I hope to impart to you by the time we are through with this subject.
Sengivala, Madlenya mfowakithi umlayezo wakho uthi bheka idwala oqhuzulwe kule. Sonke sivela ndawonye.
Lets look for solutions, looking for scapegoats and pointing fingers is no panacea.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 09:39 AM
Just as i thought, very violent,irrational, inconsiderate.the only thing oyicabanga yimpi, it sounds familiar, kanti vele unxuswe ngubani enkundleni yamadoda.
uyayithanda istastic(sp), but i doubt ukuthi you understand it.uzozigwenxa, abstain from, stay on the subject matters you understand ngoba uzogcina untshuma or uwumana.
angizange ngithi ngamazulu wodwa, kodwa imajority yawo yiwo. angikhathali what percentage they form Mr Statistics, okusalayo yikuthi bayabandakanya. ilizwe lamoshwa yi mob pysch, kungavela umuntu eshaya toyitoyi, you most likely to join ungazi lokuthi kubangwani. akekho umuntu okuthela ngothuli, ngoba i believe you were not involved, or you want me to think otherwise.
please kayiphele lendaba it wont bring the dead, in Mthwakazi we a lot nkinga to solve than to listening to you trying to prove innocent, kodwa vele khona lakelavuma nini.
lezonswelaboya ngamazulu, uyavuma yini , noma ufuna ama stats
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 10:18 AM
Let me for a moment humour you Nejana. 'Violent, irrational, inconsiderate' If you can show me how you reach this conclusion about me and (probably my last posting?), maybe I will be able to workout how your logic works. That way probably find out how you blame amaZulu for xenophobia in Gauteng. I don't want to jump to conclusions.
Your lack of understanding statistics has already been evidenced. Ration and logic are based on among other things facts, points and statistics. A person who exclusively dawdles in self pity and blamelaying in a kangaroo court of his backyard can hardly be anything but emotional.
'Angizange ngithi amaZulu wodwa, kodwa imajority'; would you say then 50+1%? If so I reiterate my challenge, go out there you have a pool of approximately 600 people arrested for xeno in GP show me that at least 301 of those are amaZulu and you will have my unmitigated agreement.
Until then try and practice restrain on passing opinions about me: '...you most likely to join ungazi lokuthi kubangwani' please brother!
Perceptions drawn in any instance Nejana reflect on the viewer. 'Akekho umuntu okuthela ngothuli' Nor did I allege that one is, I stated nithelana=spraying each other. The rest of that sentence is superfluous, as much of your comments in your last posting.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 10:57 AM
Mr Statistic.Afrikado, akuye ukungishumayeza ngamapercentage, they will remain nothing numbers, impilo zabantu lezo ogabaza ngazo or to you yizilwanyana nje ezingatsho lutho.
people died cos some idiots decided out of ignorance and illteachings to do so, of which some of those idiots are Zulus.
sengikhathela ngokuzwa ulokhu ungibalisela ngomsulwa benu.
there is nothing to justify what happened., so lets cut this and move on.
uyawathanda amaStats, usebenza kuphi, Stats SA, or uzama ukungethusela ngenyoka efile, i know far much better that, lets not go academic, akubalulekile lana.forget your stats bafo
kanti vele wena nomfowenu uSkhotha nisizwani, lilokhu libhizi enkundleni lisinukisela ngomsulwa benu.
akelize lembona engasiza uMthwakazi, hayi lokhu.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 11:39 AM
I note that you can barely hold your own in a debate. One seems correct when stating ones own version until you hear the other side.
I appreciate that we leave this subject on this note.
Asibuyele ezinkingeni zezwe lenu: Zimbabwe. When fighting with a tiger fight like one; uma ushaya inyoka ichotshozwa ikhanda. Mina-ke umuZulu kaMfananje kaMzobi uMthontela thonte onjenge Gwalagwala wase Ngcawushen'ebomvu osho njalo.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 12:29 PM
kahle kahle uyazi nje ukuthi i debate yini, thats why i said lets cut it ngoba we just doing circles, we end up getting personal of which akuyona inhloso yegxoxo yethu. its not about holding on debate, its about progressive debating, hayi ulokhu usala ukuthi zulus were involved, divetting to stats, igcina indaba iphela umhluzi.
kanti wena kahle yini owaziyo ngoMthwakazi , washiseka kangaka, how do i engage with you ngendaba zikaMthwakazi, one problem again lana sikhuluma ngoMthwakazi, hayi izimbagwe yakho leyo.
akuyeke ukubadakanya endaweni ongena lwazi nazo, uyathanda ukugxumkela njengempukane, uthe ungena enkundleni wezwa kuphetha igama lamazulu, wahle wangena, typically mobpsych driven people.lalela mfana kithi indaba yoMthwakazi inde and needs its own people not mere sympathisers ezifana nawe nokunjalo nezakini ziningi, so you cant definately want to engage komthwakzi ngakini amabele ekhanywa lukhula.
buyela kini , they need your imput more than we do, obekusidibanisa kungathi kuphelile, maybe your stats will work on trying to find the rate at which immigrants occupy rdp houses,how immigrants are learning zulu due fear of being attacked, how many immigrants can pronounce zulu.
ngiyabonga ke Mfananja,mzobi,whatever mani,inkosi ibe nawe, ukhule ukhokhobe
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 01:05 PM
Wena Nenjana ufuna umuntu ozokushayela izandla uma ukhwixa amafinyila ukhala ngamaZulu! Ngeke-ke ngikubukele mina you need a cold shower to wake up and see the sun!
"Typical mob psych driven people/which immigrants occupy rdp houses". There I hear those lines again equated with amaZulu. Once is a slip up, but now I see you for what you are a Zulu basher.
In that instance you are a lost case, and if it is the likes of you that are seeking to solve problems of your land I feel pity.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 01:21 PM
Angazi ukuthi yini ekwenza uzehlise kangaka, you must direct your vitriol to specific individuals not to Mthwakazi as a whole. Some of us are proud of our Zulu roots, we seek not to please or displease anyone about that, that is what we were, that is what we are and that is what we should forever be.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 01:51 PM
usashiseka namanje, Mr stats,now you cant calculate anymore.
i am not a zulu basher, inkinga angizwani nexiwi,inswelaboya, no matter who, if my own blood brother angenza into efana nale , angingeke ngimbuke nakancane.
so nawe yenza ngokunjalo, ungafumbathi ubugebenga ngoba benziwa ngumfowethu.
siyabonga ukuvakasha kwakho, kungathi inkosi ingaba nawe.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 02:07 PM
Yobe nina bakaMthwakazi esenginibhincise namahlongandlebe!
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/23/08 03:34 PM
Nejana, ninjani mfowethu? Awu, kodwa sengenzeni usingithuka ngenhlamba enjena?
Mfowethu, ngoba ukhuluma nge-Iraq ne-America ukhuluma ngendaba engafani nakancane. Uhulumeni waseMelika wamemezela kwezwa umhlaba wonke ukuthi usuqala impi nezwe laseIraq. Isilo asikaze sithi akuxhoshwe izivakashi!
Usuzisholo ngokwakho ukuthi ayengewodwa amaZulu ekuxhosheni abantu. Angikaze ngiphike ukuthi akhona amaZulu ayekhona kuhlaselwa abantu. Into engiyiphikayo wukuthu isizwe sikaMageba asizifuni izivakashi emzansi. Akukaze kube yinto esiyaziyo leyo, ngiyizwe lana eNkundleni! Ngizwe ngabantu abafana nawe noKuzolunga ukuthi thina maZulu sihlasela abantu.
Kunomehluko, bhuti, phakathi kokuthi isigebengu esingumZulu nokuthi amaZulu ayizigebengu!
uMthwakazi awuncenge lutho kithi maZulu futhi nathi ayikho into, njengamaZulu, esiyifunayo kuMthwakazi. Kodwa inhlonipho yomuntu njengomuntu iyafuneka emhlabeni. Ukuthuka amaZulu akuzukusiza muntu ngoba kulimaza amazwe womabili kujabule izitha.
Re: Brainless Xenophobic attackers - 06/24/08 05:59 AM
Henceforth I will restrain myself from responding to your myopic childish, and stupid drivel. Talking to you ration and reason is like talking to Mugabe free and fair elections: you both have no capacity to comprehend such concepts.