Blanke Mummies in China Gevind
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10th January 2010, 22:14 #1
Behalwe vir die groot en geskiedkundig bekende Indo Europese migrasies wat daar oor die aarde plaasgevind het, was daar addisionele Blanke migrasies wat plaasgevind het maar wat minder bekend is; waarvan die mees kykspelagtige, die een was waardeur ‘n Wit nedersetting hom in 7000VC in Noord Amerika gaan vestig het.
‘n Bewustheid van hierdie migrasies en nedersettings was vir eeue en selfs duisende jare vir die mensdom verlore gewees, maar as gevolg van relatief onlangse argeologiese ontdekkings, het uiters insiggewende en geskiedenis veranderende feite vorendag gekom. Feite wat eertyds populêre aannames onder ernstige verdenking plaas. Nordies en Wit Mediterreense oorskotte – in sommige gevalle natuurlik en andere kunsmatig gepreserveer – is in China, die Kanariese Eilande en Noord Amerika gevind, sommige duisende jare oud.
Een van die mees oos gerigte migrasies van die Keltiese – Indo Europese, Nordiese mense - het die Takla Makan woestyn tussen Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan en Tibet in China in ongeveer 1500 VC bereik - ongeveer die tyd van Moses en die sogenaamde Israelse uittog uit Egipte land. Hierdie migrasie was onbekend tot 1977, toe die 3500 jaar oue grafte van hierdie migrerende mense ontdek is. As gevolg van die natuurlike droogheid van die omgewing is verskeie van die liggame met hulle rooi blonde hare, lang neuse, ronde oë en fyn geweefde tartan klerasie amper perfek gepreserveer. Hierdie ‘mummies’ van die Chinese woestyn het suiwer Blank rasse trekke gehad, en meer insiggewend is dat die tartan geweefde kledingstukke wat aan en by hulle gevind is, uit die selfde knope en weef styl as die van die Kelte bestaan het.
Die antieke geskrifte en verhale rondom die Chinese beskawing praat van leiers met blonde hare en blou oe wat die oorspronklike grondleggers van Boeddhisme was en wat die eerste leiers en organiseerders van die Chinese gemeenskap was. Hierdie stories is altyd afgemaak as suiwere legendes, tot die 1977 ontdekking van die ‘Tochariese’ grafte in die Takla Makan woestyn van China. Hierdie grafte is naby die Tochariese stede wat al langs die bekende ‘Sy Roete’ (Silk Route) gebou is, gevind. Hierdeur is daar bo alle twyfel vasgestel dat wit mense hulle in China gevestig het, en dat die sogenaamde ‘legendes’ tog moontlik meer substansie het as wat in die verlede gedink is.
Hierdie mense het bekend geraak aan die taal wat hulle gepraat het – Tocharies. Die beskawing wat hulle gebou het, het uit groot stede, tempels en sentrums vir studie en kunste bestaan. Hulle was ook die bouers en handhawers van die oorspronklike ‘Sy Roete’ – die handel pad tussen die weste en China. Daar is oorspronklik gedink dat die Chinese die groot stede langs die ‘Sy Roete’ gebou het, maar hierdie ontdekking en die liggings daarvan dui aan dat die indrukwekkende ruïnes wat nog onverhinderd langs die roete lê hoogs waarskynlik die oorblyfsels van ‘n verlore Blanke beskawing was.
Die eerste Wit ‘mummie’ in die omgewing is per ongeluk in 1977 ontdek, toe natuurlike grondverskuiwing ‘n geskende vroulike liggaam blootgestel het. Opgrawings rondom haar liggaam het ‘n verdere sestien mummies blootgelê wat so perfek deur die woestyn omstandighede preserveer is, dat daar spore van trane aan die gesig van ‘n babatjie gevind kon word. Ten volle geklede liggame is gevind met fyn geweefde Keltiese patrone, leer skoene wat toeryg en wat presies soos ons veldskoene lyk, asook verskeie juwele – ons is perse die draers van broeke en skoene nie togas en sandale nie! Die woestyn toestande was so ideaal vir die preservering dat daar selfs stukkies brood by die liggame gevind is. Die wêreld se oudste perde saal is ook by die liggame gevind. Die saal is van leer gemaak en het amper die voorkoms van vandag se moderne ‘cowboy saals’. In een graf het die mense wat die opgrawings gedoen het ‘n saal kleed en ‘n langbroek gevind met tekeninge van mense met blou oë aan die een broekspyp. In 'n Program op die Discovery kanaal het die Chinese argeoloog toe hy die een mummie na 'n plek van bewaring dra, gese dat hy weet hy 'n baie beeldskone vrou in sy hande het - ek het onder aan hierdie artikel 'n foto van een van die vroulike mummies aangeheg met 'n professionele rekontruksie van haar voorkoms. Nog 'n foto toon een van die manlike mummies en baie insiggewend is die 'Swastika' wat in die klei bak uitgekerf is wat by die mummies gekry is. Die Swastika is 'n oer teken van die blankes wat 'welstand' verteenwoordig het. 'n Ander foto toon die duidelike ligte hare met vlegsels en Kelties, geweefde klerasie
Teen die begin van 1990 is daar reeds meer as ‘n duisend van hierdie Nordiese liggame in die grafte van die gebied wat as Wapu bekend staan gevind, maar teen 1998 het die Chinese regering alle verdere opgrawings stopgesit. Daar is geen logies aanvaarbare rede voor gegee nie, maar mens kan maar dink dat die ontdekking van die Blanke beskawing baie van die moontlike krediete wat die Chinese tot nou toe mee gespog het onder verdenking sou bring, en dat nog ouer Europese gesigte ontdek kon word soos wat gewoonlik die geval is met progressiewe en doelgerigte opgrawings. Dit is ook insiggewend dat die huidige bewoners van die gebied nie suiwer Chinese is nie. Hulle praat ‘n vorm van Turks eerder as Chinees en dit is nou al ‘n geruime tyd wat hulle agiteer vir onafhanklikheid. Die ontdekking van die Blanke mummies het gehelp om hulle ras etniese verskille van die Chinese te belig en dit het ‘n warmpatat vir die Chinese regering geword.
Hoewel van die mummies wat ontdek is nog in die plaaslike museum vertoon word, le die meeste on bewaar in stoorkamers besig om stelselmatig agteruit te gaan.
Hierdie nuwe fondse het meegebring dat die ou Chinese boeke wat historiese en legendariese Chinese figure beskryf, her ondersoek word en dat daar nou dieper daaroor nagevors word. Daar word nou meer ag geslaan op die karakters wat groter van statuur as die Chinese is, wat die dieper gesette oe het, langer neuse, voller baarde en rooi blonde hare. Dinge wat in die verlede deur navorsers afgelag is, maar nou baie meer aandagtig bekyk word. Hier kan daar verwys word na die antieke lied “Romanse van die Drie koninkryke” wat tussen 790 – 816 NC deur die Chinese digter Li He geskryf oor Generaal Lü geskryf is. In die laaste strofe van die lied verwys Li He na die “...groen oog generaal...”
Daar word nou nog maar gespekuleer wat die presiese invloed is wat die Blanke mense op die Chinese beskawing gehad het, maar gebaseer op sekere manuskripte van die Boeddhiste is daar aanduidings dat die leerstellings en beginsels van die Boeddhistiese geloof moontlik na die Verre Ooste gebring is deur hierdie Tochariese Kelte. Die bestaan van die Tochariese Kelte kan ook moontlik ‘n ander groot raaisel in China verklaar: Die bestaan van die Ziggurat tipe piramides naby die stad Xian in die Qui Chan provinsie. Hierdie piramides het geen president in China nie maar kom algemeen in die antieke Blanke beskawings voor. Dit is ook bekend dat die Kelte van die begin af perderuiters was en dat hulle die strydwa en die perd voor die Romeine gebruik het. Die Hetiete van die Bybel was ook Indo Europese mense wat die midde ooste deur Anatolia binnegedring het en hulle het in die grootste antieke veldslag teen Ramses 11, die Faro van die Bybel, twee duisend strydwaens in die veld gestoot. Dit sou beteken dat hulle net vir die strydwaens vier duisend perde moes gebruik het. Hierdie geskiedkundige en volkekundige feit bevestig die Indo Europese en Keltiese verbintenis met die perd, en laat mens wonder oor die swak beskrywing van die Hetiete deur die Jode se Ou Testament. Baie klem word daarop gelê dat Ghenghis Kahn die perd baie vroeg al op groot skaal gebruik het... maar mens wonder nou by wie hy dit dalk gekry het?
So sal die argeologiese opgrawings nog die mat onder die populêre opvattings en aannames uittrek.
21st May 2019, 14:04 #2
The White Tribes of Ancient China
Nell Rose- Nell is fascinated by ancient history, archaeology, and ancestry. Where do we come from? And what makes us the way we are today?
An Artists impression of what this mummie
possibly looked like when alive.
One of the most fantastic finds in the last half of the twentieth century has to be the discovery of a Northern European tribe found in the northeast corner of Xinjiang province, near the Celestial Mountains and the Taklimakan Desert on the edge of the Gobi desert.
The story starts in 1978 when the Chinese archaeologist, Wang Binghus, started searching for ancient sites. He began by following stream beds, and asking the locals if they had ever come across any broken pots and artifacts. He eventually came across a few people who pointed out that there was a place called Qizilchoqa, or, as the local people called it, Red hill. Here he made the most amazing discovery, the first of the mummies. It had been placed in a grave on the side of the hill.
He looks like he is sleeping, but he is
over 4,000 years old!
It was a simple site, rush mats were on the floor, and some of the bodies were buried in the foetal position. In effect, the mummies were not what you would call real mummies, in the sense that they were not embalmed. They had been preserved in an amazing way. They had been placed in the ground, which had been subjected to a unique weather system. Heat, aridity, and bitter winter cold, mixed with a salty soil, had preserved them better than other mummies found around the world. Even the clothing was still perfectly recognizable.
The faces of the mummies were very well preserved, so, on closer examination, they could see that they were not Chinese. They had blonde hair, big eyes, and European noses.
But soon they realized that the proof was irrefutable.
map where the mummies were found
The most extraordinary thing about the mummies was the fact that their clothes were in such good condition. A jacket belonging to one man, over three thousand years old, still had a crimson edge. And the women had artificial extensions in their hair.
This tribe was obviously very advanced for its day. On one of the mummies, there is a scar which shows they had rudimentary operating skills. It had been sown up with horses hair.
Mummie of Tarim
The beauty of loulan..
When the West was eventually allowed to visit the mummies, Dr. Victor Mair, who was a Professor of Chinese at Pennsylvania University, took a tour around the museum. Imagine his surprise when he saw these amazing mummies, which had been kept in a dark room, in glass-topped boxes.
At this time, the Chinese authorities were still a bit reluctant to let anybody know about them, so it has taken quite a long time for the West to be able to study them properly.
Eventually in 1993, they were allowed back with a team of geneticists from Italy. And this is when they began to study them properly. They used the most up to date technology of the time to confirm the date of the mummies. They now believe that they are about 4,000 years old, and the youngest about 2,000. There are probably many more to be found, possibly in the same region of China, but it is also possible they could have settled anywhere in China, as long as the conditions were suitable to live in.
Is this the original Witches hat that has come
down through history? Maybe genetic memory
Atlantean Gardens - wording.
There were two cartwheels found at the burial sites, very similar to what you might find in Russia, or nearby countries. These amazing people were probably Scandinavian or German; it is amazing to think that they trekked across China all the way from Europe, 4,000 years ago, taking their traditions and language with them. How many other tribes were there? Who knows?
The Beauty of Loulan Mummie
I think that one of the most fascinating things about this story is that the local people, even today, that live in the area where the bodies were found speak a language called Tocharian, the most eastern branch of Indo-European.
This language is closely related to German and Celtic. I think the other most amazing thing about these people is that they walked all the way across China, taking with them their families, and a mixture of animals, probably goats and sheep.
Feeling the cold, and the heat, catching diseases that they didn't know anything about, unsure whether they would survive the different climate. Babies were born, people died, and all the time not knowing whether they would be safe or if the indigenous people would accept them.
Their lust for adventure and discovering new places gave them strength and determination to survive. They were amazing people, and I hope that soon we will be able to see these wonderful discoveries and learn more about these courageous human beings that came from the beginning of history.
21st May 2019, 14:14 #3
Re: Blanke Mummies in China Gevind
The Tocharians: the Great Lost White migration to China.
The Chinese civilization always contained stories of blue-eyed and blonde-haired leaders who were the originators of Buddhism and who were the first leaders and organizers of Chinese society. These stories were always regarded as pure legend until the 1977 discovery of the graveyards of the Tocharians in the Takla Makan desert in China. The Tocharian mummies - naturally preserved in the dry desert sands are unequivocally clear Nordic racial types. The graveyards lie near the ruins of the great Tocharian cities, built along the famous Silk Route. It is beyond doubt that Whites settled in China, and the Chinese legends of White influence on that civilization may yet have some basis in fact
21st May 2019, 14:21 #4
Mysterious White Mummies in Asia
Famous Mummies From China Were White. After years of controversy and political intrigue, archaeologists using genetic testing have proven that Caucasians roamed China's Tarim Basin 1,000 years before East Asian people arrived. Asian Caucasoids, tall people with red or blond hair and light eyes, had long been the subject of ancient Asian legend. Then, in the early 20th century, archeologists digging in the Tarim Basin in western China, unearthed mummies resembling these legendary "gods".
The discoveries in the 1980s of the undisturbed 4,000-year-old "Beauty of Loulan" and the younger 3,000-year-old body of the "Charchan Man" are legendary in world archaeological circles for the fine state of their preservation and for the wealth of knowledge they bring to modern research. In historic and scientific circles the discoveries along the ancient Silk Road were on a par with finding the Egyptian mummies.
But China's concern over its rule in restive Xinjiang has widely been perceived as impeding faster research into them and greater publicity of the findings. Tarim Basin mummies, have not only given scientists a look into their physical biologies, but their clothes, tools and burial rituals.
Mair, who played a pivotal role in bringing the discoveries to Western scholars in the 1990s, has worked tirelessly to get Chinese approval to take samples out of China for definitive genetic testing. One expedition in recent years succeeded in collecting 52 samples with the aide of Chinese researchers, but later Mair's hosts had a change of heart and only let five of them out of the country. "I spent six months in Sweden last year doing nothing but genetic research," Mair said from his home in the United States where he teaches at the University of Pennsylvania. "My research has shown that in the second millennium BC, the oldest mummies, like the Loulan Beauty, were the earliest settlers in the Tarim Basin.
"From the evidence available, we have found that during the first 1,000 years after the Loulan Beauty, the only settlers in the Tarim Basin were Caucasoid." East Asian peoples only began showing up in the eastern portions of the Tarim Basin about 3,000 years ago, Mair said, while the Uighur peoples arrived after the collapse of the Orkon Uighur Kingdom, largely based in modern day Mongolia, around the year 842.
"Modern DNA and ancient DNA show that Uighurs, Kazaks, Krygyzs, the peoples of Central Asia are all mixed Caucasian and East Asian. The modern and ancient DNA tell the same story," he said. China has only allowed the genetic studies in the last few years, with a 2004 study carried out by Jilin University also finding that the mummies' DNA had Europoid genes, further proving that the earliest settlers of Western China were not East Asians.
"What has stirred up the most excitement in academic circles, both in the East and the West, is the fact that the ancient corpses of 'white (Caucasoid/Europid) people' have been excavated," Jin wrote. "However, within China a small group of ethnic separatists have taken advantage of this opportunity to stir up trouble and are acting like buffoons, (styling) themselves the descendants of these ancient 'white people' with the aim of dividing the motherland." Further on, in an apparent swipe at the government's lack of eagerness to acknowledge the science and publicize it to the world, Ji wrote that "a scientist may not distort facts for political reasons, religious reasons, or any other reason".
Meanwhile, Yingpan Man, a nearly perfectly preserved 2,000-year-old Caucasoid mummy, was only this month allowed to leave China for the first time, and is being displayed at the Tokyo Edo Museum. Yingpan Man not only had a gold foil death mask -- a Greek tradition -- covering his blonde bearded face, but also wore elaborate golden embroidered red and maroon garments with seemingly Western European designs. His nearly 2.00 meter (six-foot, six-inch) long body is the tallest of all the mummies found so far and the clothes and artifacts discovered in the surrounding tombs suggest the highest level of Caucasoid civilization in the ancient Tarim Basin region.