Ansfried the Elder, Count in Lotharingia
Ansfried, was a Lotharingian count in the 10th century, who held 15 counties in Lotharingia, a "middle kingdom" of the Franks, which was in this period contested for by the larger eastern and western kingdoms surrounding it. He is sometimes referred to as "the elder" in order to distinguish him from his nephew, Bishop Ansfried of Utrecht, who was also a powerful count until he became a bishop. Thietmar of Merseburg, describing Ansfried's nephew of the same name, named two "paternal" uncles, Ansfried and Robert, Bishop of Trier. This implies that Ansfried the  elder is brother to Bishop Robert, who was himself described as a relative to the Ottonians, the royal family at the time. It was Thietmar who described Ansfried the elder, the uncle, as a count of 15 counties, and says it was he who sent his nephew to Bruno the great for his education, after he had already spent time with his other uncle. If Ansfried was the same as the "advocatus" of the Abbey of Gembloux in the 950s, as is often thought, then he is described as a blood-relative ("consanguineus") of Wicfrid, the founder of that Abbey . He was probably also the rebel who held Chevremont in 939 after the Battle of Andernach, and the death of Duke Gilbert of Lotharingia. Records. Some of the records which are used to describe Anfried's life might have been describing someone else name Ansfried, such as his nephew. Not yet described as a count, a first mention might be in 928, in a grant made by Gilbert, Duke of Lotharingia, involving the church of Saint Servatius in Maastricht. Jongbloed suggested this was Ansfried the elder partly because another junior witness is named Arnold, and the names Arnold and Ansfried  appear in later records together. In 939 a count named Ansfried is described by Widukind of Corvey as one of the leaders of the Lotharingian people. An Ansfried and an Arnold held the fortification of near Liège after the Lotharingians lost the Battle of Andernach in 939. They were talked down by their compatrior Count Immo and captured. Widukind wrote that Ansfried was partly convinced by an offer of alliance and marriage with the only daughter of Immo. Jongbloed has argued that this went ahead. However, Karsten points out that Widukind clearly wanted to give the impression that the offer  was made in bad faith. After Ansfried and Arnold were captured, Widukind reports that Immo advised that Ansfried, being as "hard as iron", would need the harshest torments to question him. In 950, a count Ansfried "fidelis noster" ("our faithful") was mentioned by Louis "d'Outremer", king of West Francia ("France"). Louis had married Gerberga, also present, the former wife of his ally Duke Gilbert of Lotharingia who had died at Andernach. Because this count was a vassal of the western king, there are doubts about whether it could be Ansfried, whose homeland of Lotharingia was by this time back under  control of the eastern kingdom ("Germany"). However, Jongbloed (2009 p.32) argues that during this period the western kingdom was a defeated "quasi protectorate", and so being a double vassal would be possible. Soon after, in a charter of 7 Oct 950, a place called Cassallum, probably Kessel on the left bank of the Maas between Roermond and Venlo, is described as being ""in pago Masalant in comitatu Ruodolfi"" (in the country of Maasland, in the county of Rudolf), and ""cuidam vassallo nostro Ansfrid"" (a certain vassal of ours Ansfried) is the beneficiary of the rights to have a market and  mint in . From this time on, there is disagreement about whether there are any more sightings of the elder Ansfried in the records. According to some historians such as Aarts, Ansfried the elder is mentioned by Sigebert of Gembloux as the advocate (vogt) of the newly founded Gembloux Abbey in the 950s, the reign of Bishop Balderic II in Liège. Historians who believe this argue that the younger Ansfried would have been too young. Van Winter on the other hand has argued that this record is incorrectly dated, and that these events in Gembloux must have been in the 980s  after young Ansfried returned from Italy. There is therefore a similar debate about whether the elder Ansfried is also the son named Ansfried who observed in a transaction described by Sigebert, who served as a witness to a transaction between a noble named Lambert and the founder of Abbey, acting on its behalf, Wicbert (also written Guibert etc). However, this Ansfried is often suggested to be the younger nephew, and there is also debate about whether this Ansfried was in any case son of Lambert or of Wicbert. Nevertheless, all of these people are likely to be related to each  other and presumably to share descent from Wicbert's grandparents Gisla and Rothing. When Otto I returned from Italy in early 965, historians such as Aarts think that the Ansfrid who appears in a high position in a list from Liège must be him, and not his nephew who was still young, and who may indeed still have been in Italy. Later in the 960s are two records of a Count Ansfried with a county in or near the Dutch river delta area, one in Varik in Teisterbant, and one in Toxandria. There is also one more charter which connects  an Ansfried to the wife of his late Duke Gilbert, in 968, when he was involved in a charter concerning her allodial rights in the area of Meerssen in the Maasland. In July 985, one of the Ansfrieds, "comes illustris vir", was holding the County of Huy, near Liège, which he granted to the bishop of Liège. Notable non-consensus speculations. There are two very notable proposals which have not created a lasting consensus, but which are discussed in secondary literature. 1. Vanderkindere (1902), proposed that Ansfried was in fact the same person as Ehrenfrid, son of Ricfrid, and that  an otherwise unattested sister of this Ehrenfried married the above-mentioned Lambert, the so-called Count of Louvain. The elder Ansfried, in this explanation, would actually be Bishop Ansfried's maternal uncle, normally "avunculus" in Latin. This is no longer widely accepted. 2. Jongbloed (2009), proposed that Ansfried the elder married a daughter of Count Immo, based mainly on the story of Widukind mentioned above. He furthermore proposed that this Ansfried was, like his nephew with the same name, a founder of the Abbey of Thorn, though the two have later, according to him, become confused. Ansfried the Elder, Count