Bunlara bende bakmıştım sağolun teşekkür ederim. Demek istediğim herhangi bir sıkıntı yaşarmıyım. Donanımsal veya yazılımsal olarak. Isınması gibi mesela ve diğer şeyler. İlgilenirseniz sevinirim. 1 hafta sonra almayı düşünüyorum.

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Sercan Yeşil ; Çok teşekkür ederim ama sanırım biraz apartı fps değerleri dimi oynarken yarısını alamıyorum bir yerde bir yanlışlık var

AMD A10 4600 düşük ihtimal bottleneck yaratır ileriki oyunlarda, bunun hariç ortalama üstü bir laptop kendisi. Isıl olarak 5/10 derece daha düşük ortalama değerleri. CanSimiti: Yamulmuyorsam şöyle bir cevap geçerli sorun için, i7 + GTX 765m > A10 + HD7970m

Konu biraz dışarı çıkmış geri gelmiş Neyse sorularıma kısmen cevap alabildim. Isı seviyesinin iyi olduğu ve darboğaz olmadığı. 1 hafta içinde almayı düşünüyorum. Fikirler vermek ve gx60 ile ilgili bir şey söylemek isteyen varsa söylesin lütfen. Son düzenleyen: Moderatör: 5 Ekim 2013

İlk işim normal kontrolleri yapıp hemen fotoğraf atmak. Birde güzel bir kamera bulabilirsem testte yapabilirim. İlk deneyimin olacak Darısı başınıza.

Alınca fotolarını bekleriz. Onun dışında çok iyi bir seçim. Darısı başımıza.

Alabilirsin arkadaşım altta oyun performansı var 7970m ekran kartının. Fifa 14 (2013) low: 355.6 fps Compare med.: 263.9 fps Compare high: 263.1 fps Compare ultra: 241.2 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Total War: Rome II (2013): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings high. - more... The Bureau: XCOM Declassified (2013) low: 121.7 fps Compare med.: 112.9 fps Compare high: 55 fps Compare ultra: 26.8 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Splinter Cell: Blacklist (2013) low: 68.7 fps Compare med.: 80.9 fps Compare high: 60.8 fps Compare ultra: 33.4 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Dota 2 (2013) low: 108 fps Compare med.: 93.9 fps Compare ultra: 80.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Company of Heroes 2 (2013) low: 52.3 fps Compare med.: 50.7 fps Compare high: 45.1 fps Compare ultra: 22.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. GRID 2 (2013) low: 127.7 fps Compare med.: 90 fps Compare high: 82.3 fps Compare ultra: 58.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Metro: Last Light (2013) low: 74.7 fps Compare med.: 65.2 fps Compare high: 51.7 fps Compare ultra: 31 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. BioShock Infinite (2013) low: 168.1 fps Compare med.: 121.2 fps Compare high: 116.6 fps Compare ultra: 43.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm (2013) low: 267.6 fps Compare med.: 118 fps Compare high: 107.9 fps Compare ultra: 46.5 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. SimCity (2013) low: 69.6 fps Compare med.: 51.5 fps Compare high: 43.9 fps Compare ultra: 30.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Tomb Raider (2013) low: 249.3 fps Compare med.: 164.8 fps Compare high: 99.3 fps Compare ultra: 46 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Crysis 3 (2013) low: 106 fps Compare med.: 63.8 fps Compare high: 44.8 fps Compare ultra: 20.3 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Dead Space 3 (2013) low: 263.3 fps Compare med.: 168.4 fps Compare high: 141 fps Compare ultra: 92.3 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Far Cry 3 (2012) low: 83.3 fps Compare med.: 75.2 fps Compare high: 31.7 58.5 45 fps Compare ultra: 21.8 25.4 27.1 25 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Assassin ́s Creed III (2012) med.: 37.7 fps Compare high: 16.2 36.3 26 fps Compare ultra: 13.4 24.6 24.7 21 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings med.. Hitman: Absolution (2012) low: 53.1 fps Compare med.: 49.3 fps Compare high: 18.9 43.3 31 fps Compare ultra: 18.6 28.8 33.3 27 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings med.. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (2012) low: 177.4 fps Compare med.: 165.3 fps Compare high: 120.7 fps Compare ultra: 59.4 75 75.8 70 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) low: 59.8 fps Compare med.: 59.6 fps Compare high: 24.3 51.2 38 fps Compare ultra: 21.8 48.4 49.6 40 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Medal of Honor: Warfighter (2012) low: 135.1 fps Compare med.: 113.1 fps Compare high: 96.9 fps Compare ultra: 43.7 46.2 46.4 45 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dishonored (2012) low: 124.4 fps Compare med.: 123.2 fps Compare high: 124.3 fps Compare ultra: 70.1 97.6 99.9 89 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. World of Tanks v8 (2012) low: 111.3 fps Compare med.: 67.5 fps Compare high: 33.9 60.8 47 fps Compare ultra: 28.7 50.4 40 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 13 (2012) low: 322.7 fps Compare med.: 257.9 fps Compare high: 250.9 fps Compare ultra: 119.4 226.6 173 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. F1 2012 (2012): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Borderlands 2 (2012) low: 113.7 fps Compare med.: 97.2 fps Compare high: 87.5 fps Compare ultra: 43.2 59.8 62.9 55 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Torchlight 2 (2012) low: 83.9 fps Compare med.: 70.2 fps Compare ultra: 68.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Guild Wars 2 (2012) low: 68.5 fps Compare high: 17.8 42.8 30 fps Compare ultra: 16.6 30.6 32.5 27 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings low. Counter-Strike: GO (2012) low: 228.8 fps Compare med.: 200.1 fps Compare high: 178 fps Compare ultra: 89.4 153.5 121 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Darksiders II (2012) med.: 153.8 fps Compare ultra: 98.3 104.1 108.7 104 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Sleeping Dogs (2012) low: 77.8 fps Compare med.: 55.4 fps Compare high: 35.1 47.3 41 fps Compare ultra: 28.5 28.5 29.1 29 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. The Secret World (2012) low: 66 fps Compare med.: 56.8 fps Compare high: 37.9 fps Compare ultra: 25 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (2012) low: 49 fps Compare med.: 47.5 fps Compare ultra: 39.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Max Payne 3 (2012) low: 90.7 fps Compare med.: 90 fps Compare high: 83.2 fps Compare ultra: 38.2 55.8 61.2 52 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dirt Showdown (2012) low: 97.7 fps Compare med.: 81.1 fps Compare high: 78.3 fps Compare ultra: 40 48.7 53.2 47 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Diablo III (2012) low: 243.1 fps Compare med.: 210.6 fps Compare high: 128.2 fps Compare ultra: 88.9 94.1 100.8 95 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Risen 2: Dark Waters (2012) low: 94.2 fps Compare med.: 101.6 fps Compare high: 80 fps Compare ultra: 41.1 42.3 43.1 42 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Mass Effect 3 (2012) low: 60 fps Compare high: 59.6 fps Compare ultra: 59.6 59.8 60 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Alan Wake (2012) low: 121 fps Compare med.: 91.1 fps Compare ultra: 43.3 44.7 44.7 44 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Star Wars: The Old Republic (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Anno 2070 (2011) low: 270.3 fps Compare med.: 170.8 fps Compare high: 108.5 fps Compare ultra: 53.1 54.5 55.4 54 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) low: 97 fps Compare med.: 88.3 fps Compare high: 77.2 96.8 87 fps Compare ultra: 55.6 56.1 58 59.3 57 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. CoD: Modern Warfare 3 (2011) low: 264.4 fps Compare med.: 160.5 fps Compare high: 109 131.3 120 fps Compare ultra: 68.9 73.1 87 90.7 80 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Battlefield 3 (2011) low: 120.3 fps Compare med.: 75 90.7 83 fps Compare high: 63 71.8 67 fps Compare ultra: 34.7 37.9 38 41.4 38 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Batman: Arkham City (2011) low: 164 fps Compare med.: 144 fps Compare high: 84 111 98 fps Compare ultra: 55 57 57 56 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 12 (2011) low: 520.2 fps Compare med.: 321.7 fps Compare high: 263.7 fps Compare ultra: 188.5 228.8 209 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. F1 2011 (2011) low: 149 fps Compare med.: 95 fps Compare high: 49 85 67 fps Compare ultra: 41 65 53 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Deus Ex Human Revolution (2011) low: 219.4 fps Compare high: 153.7 189.5 172 fps Compare ultra: 81.6 85.7 86.7 85 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dirt 3 (2011) low: 230.9 fps Compare med.: 148.4 fps Compare high: 136.8 fps Compare ultra: 64.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings high. - more... Crysis 2 (2011) low: 101 fps Compare med.: 102.2 fps Compare high: 102.8 fps Compare ultra: 54 54.5 54 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Total War: Shogun 2 (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Call of Duty: Black Ops (2010) low: 164.6 fps Compare med.: 126.3 fps Compare high: 117.7 fps Compare ultra: 105.9 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 11 (2010): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Mafia 2 (2010) low: 117.2 fps Compare med.: 114.3 fps Compare high: 112.8 fps Compare ultra: 88.8 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. StarCraft 2 (2010) low: 322.9 fps Compare med.: 33 118.2 76 fps Compare high: 24 116.1 70 fps Compare ultra: 12 85.1 99.2 65 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Just Cause 2 (2010): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Metro 2033 (2010) low: 133.9 fps Compare med.: 115.7 141 128 fps Compare high: 73.6 94 84 fps Compare ultra: 26.9 29 30 29 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. - - - Güncellendi - - - Alabilirsin arkadaşım altta oyun performansı var 7970m ekran kartının. Fifa 14 (2013) low: 355.6 fps Compare med.: 263.9 fps Compare high: 263.1 fps Compare ultra: 241.2 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Total War: Rome II (2013): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings high. - more... The Bureau: XCOM Declassified (2013) low: 121.7 fps Compare med.: 112.9 fps Compare high: 55 fps Compare ultra: 26.8 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Splinter Cell: Blacklist (2013) low: 68.7 fps Compare med.: 80.9 fps Compare high: 60.8 fps Compare ultra: 33.4 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Dota 2 (2013) low: 108 fps Compare med.: 93.9 fps Compare ultra: 80.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Company of Heroes 2 (2013) low: 52.3 fps Compare med.: 50.7 fps Compare high: 45.1 fps Compare ultra: 22.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. GRID 2 (2013) low: 127.7 fps Compare med.: 90 fps Compare high: 82.3 fps Compare ultra: 58.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Metro: Last Light (2013) low: 74.7 fps Compare med.: 65.2 fps Compare high: 51.7 fps Compare ultra: 31 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. BioShock Infinite (2013) low: 168.1 fps Compare med.: 121.2 fps Compare high: 116.6 fps Compare ultra: 43.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm (2013) low: 267.6 fps Compare med.: 118 fps Compare high: 107.9 fps Compare ultra: 46.5 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. SimCity (2013) low: 69.6 fps Compare med.: 51.5 fps Compare high: 43.9 fps Compare ultra: 30.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Tomb Raider (2013) low: 249.3 fps Compare med.: 164.8 fps Compare high: 99.3 fps Compare ultra: 46 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Crysis 3 (2013) low: 106 fps Compare med.: 63.8 fps Compare high: 44.8 fps Compare ultra: 20.3 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Dead Space 3 (2013) low: 263.3 fps Compare med.: 168.4 fps Compare high: 141 fps Compare ultra: 92.3 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Far Cry 3 (2012) low: 83.3 fps Compare med.: 75.2 fps Compare high: 31.7 58.5 45 fps Compare ultra: 21.8 25.4 27.1 25 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Assassin ́s Creed III (2012) med.: 37.7 fps Compare high: 16.2 36.3 26 fps Compare ultra: 13.4 24.6 24.7 21 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings med.. Hitman: Absolution (2012) low: 53.1 fps Compare med.: 49.3 fps Compare high: 18.9 43.3 31 fps Compare ultra: 18.6 28.8 33.3 27 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings med.. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (2012) low: 177.4 fps Compare med.: 165.3 fps Compare high: 120.7 fps Compare ultra: 59.4 75 75.8 70 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) low: 59.8 fps Compare med.: 59.6 fps Compare high: 24.3 51.2 38 fps Compare ultra: 21.8 48.4 49.6 40 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Medal of Honor: Warfighter (2012) low: 135.1 fps Compare med.: 113.1 fps Compare high: 96.9 fps Compare ultra: 43.7 46.2 46.4 45 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dishonored (2012) low: 124.4 fps Compare med.: 123.2 fps Compare high: 124.3 fps Compare ultra: 70.1 97.6 99.9 89 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. World of Tanks v8 (2012) low: 111.3 fps Compare med.: 67.5 fps Compare high: 33.9 60.8 47 fps Compare ultra: 28.7 50.4 40 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 13 (2012) low: 322.7 fps Compare med.: 257.9 fps Compare high: 250.9 fps Compare ultra: 119.4 226.6 173 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. F1 2012 (2012): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Borderlands 2 (2012) low: 113.7 fps Compare med.: 97.2 fps Compare high: 87.5 fps Compare ultra: 43.2 59.8 62.9 55 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Torchlight 2 (2012) low: 83.9 fps Compare med.: 70.2 fps Compare ultra: 68.7 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Guild Wars 2 (2012) low: 68.5 fps Compare high: 17.8 42.8 30 fps Compare ultra: 16.6 30.6 32.5 27 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings low. Counter-Strike: GO (2012) low: 228.8 fps Compare med.: 200.1 fps Compare high: 178 fps Compare ultra: 89.4 153.5 121 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Darksiders II (2012) med.: 153.8 fps Compare ultra: 98.3 104.1 108.7 104 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Sleeping Dogs (2012) low: 77.8 fps Compare med.: 55.4 fps Compare high: 35.1 47.3 41 fps Compare ultra: 28.5 28.5 29.1 29 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. The Secret World (2012) low: 66 fps Compare med.: 56.8 fps Compare high: 37.9 fps Compare ultra: 25 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high. Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (2012) low: 49 fps Compare med.: 47.5 fps Compare ultra: 39.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Max Payne 3 (2012) low: 90.7 fps Compare med.: 90 fps Compare high: 83.2 fps Compare ultra: 38.2 55.8 61.2 52 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dirt Showdown (2012) low: 97.7 fps Compare med.: 81.1 fps Compare high: 78.3 fps Compare ultra: 40 48.7 53.2 47 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Diablo III (2012) low: 243.1 fps Compare med.: 210.6 fps Compare high: 128.2 fps Compare ultra: 88.9 94.1 100.8 95 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Risen 2: Dark Waters (2012) low: 94.2 fps Compare med.: 101.6 fps Compare high: 80 fps Compare ultra: 41.1 42.3 43.1 42 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Mass Effect 3 (2012) low: 60 fps Compare high: 59.6 fps Compare ultra: 59.6 59.8 60 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Alan Wake (2012) low: 121 fps Compare med.: 91.1 fps Compare ultra: 43.3 44.7 44.7 44 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Star Wars: The Old Republic (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Anno 2070 (2011) low: 270.3 fps Compare med.: 170.8 fps Compare high: 108.5 fps Compare ultra: 53.1 54.5 55.4 54 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) low: 97 fps Compare med.: 88.3 fps Compare high: 77.2 96.8 87 fps Compare ultra: 55.6 56.1 58 59.3 57 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. CoD: Modern Warfare 3 (2011) low: 264.4 fps Compare med.: 160.5 fps Compare high: 109 131.3 120 fps Compare ultra: 68.9 73.1 87 90.7 80 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Battlefield 3 (2011) low: 120.3 fps Compare med.: 75 90.7 83 fps Compare high: 63 71.8 67 fps Compare ultra: 34.7 37.9 38 41.4 38 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Batman: Arkham City (2011) low: 164 fps Compare med.: 144 fps Compare high: 84 111 98 fps Compare ultra: 55 57 57 56 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 12 (2011) low: 520.2 fps Compare med.: 321.7 fps Compare high: 263.7 fps Compare ultra: 188.5 228.8 209 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. F1 2011 (2011) low: 149 fps Compare med.: 95 fps Compare high: 49 85 67 fps Compare ultra: 41 65 53 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Deus Ex Human Revolution (2011) low: 219.4 fps Compare high: 153.7 189.5 172 fps Compare ultra: 81.6 85.7 86.7 85 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Dirt 3 (2011) low: 230.9 fps Compare med.: 148.4 fps Compare high: 136.8 fps Compare ultra: 64.1 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings high. - more... Crysis 2 (2011) low: 101 fps Compare med.: 102.2 fps Compare high: 102.8 fps Compare ultra: 54 54.5 54 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Total War: Shogun 2 (2011): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Call of Duty: Black Ops (2010) low: 164.6 fps Compare med.: 126.3 fps Compare high: 117.7 fps Compare ultra: 105.9 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Fifa 11 (2010): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Mafia 2 (2010) low: 117.2 fps Compare med.: 114.3 fps Compare high: 112.8 fps Compare ultra: 88.8 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. StarCraft 2 (2010) low: 322.9 fps Compare med.: 33 118.2 76 fps Compare high: 24 116.1 70 fps Compare ultra: 12 85.1 99.2 65 fps Compare With most tested laptops playable in detail settings ultra. Just Cause 2 (2010): Playable with a weaker graphics card in detail settings ultra. - more... Metro 2033 (2010) low: 133.9 fps Compare med.: 115.7 141 128 fps Compare high: 73.6 94 84 fps Compare ultra: 26.9 29 30 29 fps Compare With all tested laptops playable in detail settings high.

Peki AMD Radeon HD 7970M GDDR5 2GB mı Nvidia GTX765 M GDDR5 2GB ekran kartı mı daha iyi daha performansli.

Darboğaz sorunu yoktur. HD7970m daha güçlüdür. AMD ucuz farkettiyseniz 2500 civarı GTX765m li MSİ lar 3000 lerden başlıyor.

Ulaklı kardeşim bende ekran kartının özelliğini versem hangi oyunları hangi fps değeriyle oynayacağımı aynı şuanda ki yayınladığın gibi liste yapabilir misin rica etsem? Son düzenleyen: Moderatör: 5 Ekim 2013

Yanlışlık falan yok. Ekran kartını son sürüme güncelle. Birde adamların açtığı ayarlara bak.

Herkese merhaba. MSI - MSI GX60 1AC-038TR AMD A10-4600M 8GB 750GB HD7970M 2GB 15.6" Full HD Blu-Ray Win 8 - Ürün Detayı - Sanalmarketim.com - Internetten Güvenli Hızlı Alışveriş bu bilgisayarı almayı düşünüyorum. Bütçem buna yetiyor. Tavsiye eder misiniz? Son düzenleyen: Moderatör: 5 Ekim 2013