Now that you've mentioned a little more about what you wanted to mean, i can agree with you. At first I thought you meant English can't be learned w/o a native speaker.

Good heavens! They do care for grammar. They have Grammar Nazis with a uniform and everything. You're probably talking about people on online games. Anyways, we do learn grammar, but many do not pay attention to it most of the time. Also, grammar isn't the only thing you need. Without the lexicon you can't express yourself appropriately, nor understand other speakers. These both are an inseparable pair. Language input is needed to learn a language thats, indeed, true. We, also, lack that input. Turkish language features no accent. It's probably why Turkish accent is somewhat comprehensible compared to some other accents. Though, having no standard accent means imitating other accents are fairly easier for you. So, why not work on an accent that you find interesting? (=Talking in a second language is kind of a self-esteem problem. You need to be more courageous to do that. Atleast, thats what I think. One last thing to mention, It's kinda hard to understand some accents. I mean, sometimes those tourist speak in the most unintelligible accent. It's literally awkward. An Asian tourist had to repeat the word "Metro" three times in different accents before I understood them trying to utter the word "Metro". It sounded something like "Miyatr". At first I thought, they were speaking Russian (=

I didn't even realize this section existed lol. But I'll check here more often.

Make sense.

Turkey citizens are too lazy to learn english. Your suggestions won't work well in my mind.

Yeah, if i have a problem about computer or something like that, I will write my problem in this section.

Why bother tho?

Ben bu sözü alıntıladığınız kişinin fikirlerini benimsemiyorum bu yüzden benim için bir şey ifade etmedi. Her neyse, sizin fikirlerinize benim saygım var, sizin de benimkine vardır büyük ihtimalle. Bu gidişle fikirlerimizin pek değişeceğini zannetmiyorum bu yüzden bu mesajıma cevap vermeniz durumunda size cevap olarak dönüş yapmayı düşünmüyorum.

I think some peoples hate english.

Its always a chore to write and talk English actually. Even if you somehow get to the native levels, its really hard to get as much comfortable as you would with your native language. But still, topics like these are actually needed and should be used alot by those who wants to improve their English speaking. Especially for those that do not have the opportunity to travel foreign countries. Best English practice is done by that way, but of course for many of us that is sadly not possible. Erasmus is a good way to achieve that for univercity students however. Another alternative would be online games. I owe my current level of English to online games mostly. Since I play alot of multiplayer games, I tend to get alot of online friends from different types of countries. Most of them also know English as their secondary language and that actually helps a lot, since both of you do not have to speak perfectly, there will always be a understanding between each other. And with time, your English evolves, just like that. Just let it flow and you will naturally improve it. You will from time to time, stuck on some sentences and at that point, you should improve your dictionary. Simply, note your newly learned words to a notebook and repeat them every week or every day, thats up to you. Do not memorize! Just read them over at a simple glance. Learn them like you are learning a Turkish word. For example, did you memorize in your childhood that "kapı" represents the "kapı"? Approach the word learning sequence from this way. Learn that the actual thing that befits the "kapı" simply said as "door" in another language. For example, 1 month ago, I learned a new word, a lesser used word named "taciturn", which means "ketum, sessiz" in Turkish. I didn't memorize it. I just glanced over my notebook every day. And now, whenever I see this word, I can quickly remember its meaning and its really hard for me to forget at this point. I hope these tips can help you improve your English. Biggest part of learning a foreign language is actually learning TONS of words. Grammar can be handled in 2-3 months with quick lessons. Actually our schools are not that bad at teaching grammar, so if you are still in high school levels, don't neglect your English lessons and try to cement your grammar. After that, just word learning.

Because lots of members still can't write Turkish sentences properly, without any punctuation or typo problems. I don't think that they can write in English, when they're not able to write in their main language. Maybe we need to open a topic for practicing, if we already have, send me. Everybody can make mistakes, but also everybody can learn the right one.

Üşenmesinler kardeşim. Üşenme zaten bazılarının kişiliklerine ve bazılarının da kültürel özelliklerimiz -miş - gibi gösterilmesinden çıkması lazım artık. Büyük ihtimalle doğrularını biliyorlar mı bilmiyorum. Kimse küçük düşmesin. Benim de yeri geldiğinde hata yaptığım yerlerim olacaktır. Gelsin başkası da beni düzeltsin, gücüme giderse benim ayıbım olur; bükemediğin eli öpeceksin. Türkçe kullanma hakkında yaptığın karşılaştırma doğru, katılıyorum. Uzun lafın kısası kısmı önemli, katılmıyorum. Biz çoğu zaman detaylarda kaybediyoruz. Yanlış öğrenmesinler, yanlış öğreneceklerine öğrenmesinler daha iyi, düzeltmek çok zor oluyor. Konuşma becerisi farklı bir konu, ayrı bir beceridir. Konuşma için podcast yapsınlar, konuşarak iletişim kursunlar, o zaman zaten çoğu sorun ortadan kalkar çünkü konuşma becerisinde dilbilgisi kuralları önemli değil, sadece iletişim kurmak ve anlaşılır olmak önemli. Ne olursa olsun, senin dediğini ancak şu şekilde düşünebilirsem anlayacağım: yıllardır Kur'an-ı Kerim'in bile yanlış tercüme edilmiş ve hatta yanlış yorumlanmış bir dünyada veya Türkiye'de, yukardaki insanların yaptıkları hataları normal karşılamak normaldir - kaynak Yaşar Nuri Öztürk.

In my opinion, it might provide learning grammar and vocabularies but it can't teach the culture of English. Actually you can't learn idioms and phrases from none natives. For instance you know British people don't call cops as police. They call it "Old Bill" etc. I think it's hard to learn local usage of languages when you don't learn it from natives. Also I said "you can't learn from forums", not from games or movies.

Speaking and writing are two different things. You can improve your English with write and read something but it has a limit. İf anybody wants to learn good English, He/She must talk with anybody in English. The accent is critical and you can not improve your accent with write or read. Just talk. Don't worry.

I absolutely agree with you. If we make more popular this section, some people can learn English, maybe. And we will able to learn a lot of term while we are solving any problems. I absolutely agree you. If we make more popular this section, some people can learn English, maybe. And we can learn a lot of

Also you are the one of the grammar nazis which he talked about..

People wants to do everything in their soft, comfortable bed. So this may not work in Turkey. But what can happen if we just try? Let's try it.

We can't even speak Turkish properly kardeşim. Is it really needed?

Because most people don't know English. If you want to speak English, you can learn. But the Turks are too lazy

Very good suggestions here and there, but I have to make some corrections: It's always a chore to write and talk English actually. Even if you somehow get to the levels of natives, it's really hard to get comfortable with English compared to your native language. But still, topics like these are actually needed and should be used a lot alot by those who wants to improve their spoken English speaking, especially for those that do not have the opportunity to travel foreign countries. The best English practice is done by that way, but of course for many of us, that is sadly not possible. Erasmus is a good way to achieve that for university students however. Another alternative can be online games. I owe my current level of English mostly to online games mostly. Since I play a lot of multiplayer games, I tend to get a lot of online friends from different types of countries. Most of them also know English as their secondary language and that actually helps a lot, since both of you us do not have to speak perfectly, there will always be an understanding between each other. And with time, your English evolves, just like that. Just let it flow and you will naturally improve it. You will, from time to time, get stuck on some sentences and at that point, you should improve your dictionary vocabulary. Simply, note your newly learned words to a notebook and repeat them every week or every day, that's up to you. Do not memorize! Just read them over at a simple glance. Learn them like you are learning a Turkish word. For example, did you memorize in your childhood that "kapı" represents the "kapı"? Approach the word learning sequence method from in this way. Learn that the actual thing that befits the "kapı" is simply translated as "door" in another language. For example, 1 month ago, I learned a new word, a lesser used word named "taciturn", which means "ketum, sessiz" in Turkish. I didn't memorize it. I just glanced over my notebook every day. And now, whenever I see this word, I can quickly remember its meaning and it's really hard for me to forget it at this point. I hope these tips can help you improve your English. The biggest part of learning a foreign language is actually learning tons of words. Grammar can be handled in 2-3 months with quick lessons. Actually, our schools are not that bad at teaching grammar, so if you are still in high school levels, don't neglect your English lessons and try to cement your grammar. After that, just word learning.

People just go with the easy way. They say "why would I bother?" However, If we can just try to use this section more, a lot of people may learn English easier.

I realized this section at the moment, and I have seen some people who wants to learn English. This speech for everyone who wants to learn English or other languages. Learning a new language may be the hardest thing in the world. Well, why are we afraid of making mistakes? Making a mistake at the beginning is pretty normal, we have to make mistakes when we start to speak. As long as we make mistake, we realize what is our missing parts or however you name it. Maybe we can never speak like an American or British people. But even so, we have to struggle. You can be sure, no one knows her/his own language all of it. We don't even know how to speak Turkish perfectly. So, never give up, and don't be a lazy

In my opinion, users haven't discovered this section of the forum yet. This section isn't easy to be found. I've joined the forum 1 year ago. I'm trying to improve my English level like a British citizen. I learned it in social media but now, it's like street English. I'm making huge grammar mistakes today. I hope this section will stay where it deserves. Not: 1 year ago, yesterday, last week gibi "past simple" tensine gonderi yapan cümlelerde, present perfect + verb 3 kullanmak yanlış oluyor.

Ben de kaptırmışım biraz kendimi tartışmanın eski olduğunu unutup. O zamana kıyasla farklı düşünmeniz güzel

Hello, everyone. If you want to improve your english, just talk. Do you have a Discord channel in order to speak English with someone who wants to learn and speak fluently? If you have, I'll join too. We will be able to talk in English.

Ne kadar takmışın şu benim düzeltmelerime sen yorgun argın gelen bir insan değil misin? Geç rahatla otur başka bir şey yap o kadar açıklama yapmana gerek yok. Düzelttiğim adamlar bu kadar üstüne almadı be, senin ne derdin var anlamadım. Birisini üzdüysek bırak da onlar cevap versin yorum yapsın seni çok fazla ilgilendirmiyor. Sen kendi işine bak hayat böyle daha güzel.

Because Turkish people don't know English and they are too lazy to use it even they know how to speak

Hoca geldi açılın.

I have seen this topics, which are below. Okula Gitmeden Nasıl İngilizce Gelişir? İngilizce anlama sorunu After that, I thought. We can do section more popular. What do you think?

Well, the grammar of Turkish is very absurd compared to English. That thing may be the reason why so many Turks can't speak English easily.

I had aimed to this viewpoint, while I was opening the discussion. I am going to check this section - everyday -, too

This language can also be learned by playing games or watching movies.

@Arduo bey, o düzelttiğiniz kişiler büyük ihtimalle zaten doğrularını biliyorlar, yazmaya veya anlık olarak düşünmeye üşenip yazmışlar belli ki. Hepsini tek tek alıntılayarak düzeltmenizi saçma bulmakla beraber karşıdaki kişiler için küçük düşürücü olduğunu düşünüyorum. Bizim esas sorunumuz böyle küçük şeyler olmamalı. İngiltere'de veya Amerika'da yaşayan insanlar da bu kişilerin yaptıkları hataları yapıyorlar, sorun dili bilmemek değil üşengeçlik. En basitinden kendimiz düzgün kullanıyor muyuz Türkçe'yi? Ben dahil Allah bilir kaç tane hata yapıyorum. Sebebi bilgi eksikliği değil, üşenmek veya o anlık öyle düşünüp direk yazmamız. Elbette ben burada hiç kimsenin süper İngilizce bilgisi olduğunu düşünmüyorum ama en azından anlaşılabilir seviyede konuşuyoruz. Esas sorun, yıllarca İngilizce dersi görüp WH Questions bile yapamayan kişiler. Peki, bu, sistemin hatası mı yoksa onların mı? %50'ye %50 derim. Uzun lafı kısası bu tip küçük detaylara takılmak yerine önce halkımız anlaşılabilir seviyede İngilizce nasıl konuşur, onu düşünmek lazım.

I agree with you.

I think this topic can be useful. Nice idea, nice topic "bremin"

A little misspelling here. It should be "Makes sense."

Yeah, I think so Son düzenleyen: Moderatör: 15 Eylül 2019

We had already learning English grammer all of our education period. Even British English people don't use grammer in this century. Writing, reading, listening is improve our English but especially at business life first they want you to speak fluency, after that other things come. İ don't think accent is too important. Turkish people speak understandable than lots of country. Our problem is we are not trying to talk. A tourist is asking a place and many of people look his/her face like freezed.

We learn English grammer's we learn al ot of 'em but all of students thinks we won't use them in our social life. All of Turkish citizens or people wants to speak like British or American, but they never try to learn it, how to pronounce word. As me i want to speak like a British people but i know i have to work on it. İ know my English is not good sorry for my mistakes.

2019 Kasım ayında biten bir tartışma hocam bu, olmuş bitmiş gitmiş. Benim hatam olduysa @Arduo adlı arkadaştan özür dilerim. Çok önemli değil açıkçası.

So many people can't even speak turkish smooth we can't expect to speak english from them. There are too many dumbass people in this forum.

Şöyle bir durum var. Evet ikili konuşmanızda böyle yazsanız bir şey değişmeyecek ama burası forum. Ve foruma İngilizcesi iyi olmayan biri girip sizin hatalı cümlenizi görünce doğru zannedip benimseyince ne olacak? Bilmemek değil öğrenmemek ayıp bu kanıyı zaten bizim insanlarımız biliyor. Siz niye yanlış cümleyi düzeltince küçük düşer diye bir komplekse girdiniz ki? Burdan sizin hakkınızda çıkardığım tek kompleks var ama yazmayacağım, anlayan anlar.

I laughed a lot

I think learning English from forums that don't have native speakers won't provide anything. This place will not be helpful to learn languages except binary

In my opinion, users didn't discover that section of the forum. This section isn't easy to find. I've joined forum 1 year ago, I'm trying to improve my english level like a British citizen. I learned it in social media but now, its like street english. I'm making huge grammar mistakes today. I hope this section will stay where it deserves.

Those who actually care what is being spoken under this section of forum already knows some level of English which kills the purpose of learning English for an absolute beginner. Even if they might grasp few concepts from the comments, there is no guarantee of what they have learned is syntactically correct, again kills the point. Nevertheless, it is fun to speak in English even tho we can speak and understand Turkish perfectly so I will be watching : )

Because not everyone is "that" interested in learning/speaking English on a Turkish forum. Besides, people can simply go to another forum where they speak in their main language which is English.