Men's rights movement

{{silver}}{{mrm}}{{hatnote|Not to be confused with the [[men's movement]], when men tried to reclaim their masculinity by going 
[[MGTOW|their own way]]
 into the woods and banging drums.}}{{cquote|The list of grievances for MRAs is long. It includes the elevated rate of [[suicide]] for men, educational discrimination against boys, economic and workplace conditions for men, violence against men, false rape reporting, fathers' rights in custody battles, rates of male imprisonment and [[prison]] conditions, and the horrors of [[war]]. Many of these issues deserve a thoughtful response and the force of an organized movement to address them. It's too bad that's not what men's rights activists are offering.|||Jaclyn Friedman<ref name=Prospect>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140525203441/http://prospect.org/article/look-inside-mens-rights-movement-helped-fuel-california-alleged-killer-elliot-rodger A Look Inside the 'Men's Rights' Movement That Helped Fuel California Alleged Killer Elliot Rodger: How the rise of organized misogynist activism is hurting women—and men] by  Jaclyn Friedman (October 24, 2013) ''The American Prospect''.</ref>}}
The '''men's rights movement''' ('''MRM'''), also known as '''men's rights activism''' ('''MRA'''), '''masculism''', or [[Delusions of grandeur|"The Men's Human Rights Movement"]],<ref name="avfm">[https://web.archive.org/web/20130205045918/http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/entering-a-new-era/ Entering a new era] by Paul Elam (January 30, 2013) ''A Voice For Men'' (archived from February 5, 2013).</ref> is a [[fringe]] movement which espouses the view that [[social]], [[legal]], and [[economic]] [[discrimination]] against men is present in society to the extent that fighting it deserves an organized effort mirroring that of [[feminism]], and crucially, that any and all variants of feminism do society and the individual [[anti-feminism|far more harm than good]]. 

Some may present men's rights as a loose organization of concern groups dealing with problems such as low funding for testicular cancer or other valid problems that uniquely concern men. Unfortunately, this is not the case. These aren't dealing with "men's issues", but instead with a non-existent problem they call "men's rights". Their primary concern is not supporting one another through uniquely difficult challenges (which is more than valid), but painting a picture where men are systematically oppressed (which is ridiculously absurd). In summary, it is not a movement of mutual support, but a counter-reaction to feminism and avoiding dealing with toxic gender roles.

There are two distinct age ranges for Men's Rights Activists: group one consists of adolescent boys aged 12-16, and group two is mainly inhabited by young adult males in the early 20s to late 30s range. The most prominent MRA media and literature consist of memes circulated on sites such as iFunny or 4chan, as well as YouTube channels run by [[fundamentalists]] or, unfortunately, [[New Atheism|New Atheists]].

Based on their insistence that men are held back by women ''at least'' as much as women are by men (if not more so), combined with a general adherence to [[neo-reactionary]] strains of anti-progressivism within the movement, MRAs hold the entirety of modern feminism to be an inherently unequal attempt to ''worsen'' the "[[Whataboutism|''already'' equally unfair]]" balance of rights and responsibilities between the sexes by selfishly putting women ''even further'' ahead. The question then becomes why in the world anyone in their right mind, today living, would willingly call themselves a feminist (''especially'' if they're male!) when the perfectly good (and clearly [[Dog whistle|much more egalitarian]]) label of MRA is — as far as society is concerned — just sitting out there in the barn doing nothing?

The MRA narrative explains this obvious plot hole as the devious result of a long-standing [[propaganda]] campaign — directed at [[Sheeple|the masses]] from various [[ivory tower]]s — by a [[Cultural Marxism|chaotic-evil radical intelligentsia]]. To support this overtly conspiratorial view, the [[crankery]] of various [[fringe]] radical feminist cliques (such as the [[TERF]]s) are [[Nutpicking|nutpicked]] and presented both as "[[Straw man|what your next door feminist actually believes]]" and as a [[Slippery slope|necessary end goal to the entire project of feminism]].

The MRA membership is primarily male, though some women also identify with the movement and are sometimes known as "fMRAs" or "feMRAs". These few women are naturally [[Selective reporting|held up front row center]] as walking proof that the MRA movement [[Tokenism|''really is'' everything feminism claims to be]].<ref group=note>To be fair, feminists sometimes do this with men as well.</ref> While the MRM might bill itself as a progressive movement and a rational reaction to the excesses of third-wave feminism, its demonization of female rape and victims of [[domestic violence]] mixed with its thorough cross-pollination with reactionary movements make it nothing but a Trojan horse to roll back protections for women — if not flat-out making women second-class citizens (like they were in the [[good old days]]) — under the guise of fighting male oppression.

==Subdivisions==
Like most [[social]] movements, there is no specific agreed-upon set of goals and no formal organization. The general movement is an offshoot of the men's liberation movements of the 1970s, and as such, used tactics learned from the feminist movement to attempt to gain [[equality]] in several areas. The movement itself split into two groups: one that largely supported [[feminism]], and one that was strongly anti-feminist. Both movements, but especially the latter — which is frequently overtly [[misogynist]] — are generally understood to be to some extent a [[Culture war|backlash to feminism]].

===Genuine equal rights groups===
While "men's rights" is often used as a cover for sexism, there are men's advocacy groups that genuinely promote equal rights. The Good Men Project, for example, promotes activism on men's issues, supports charitable foundations such as boys' and girls' clubs, and publishes an online magazine dealing with men's issues that also acts as a forum for dialogue between feminists and men's rights advocates.<ref>[http://goodmenproject.com/ The Good Men Project]</ref> They focus on criticisms of [[tradition]]al male gender norms, fathers' issues, factors affecting at-risk boys in inner cities, sex, and health. Naturally, according to the sexist element, the Good Men Project should be called the "Good [[Mangina]] Project" and is [[Shill gambit|secretly a tool]] of ''Ms. Magazine''.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20141016092817/http://angloamerica101.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/good-mangina-project-thinks-its-ok-for-women-to-assault-and-injure-men/ Good mangina project says men should be punching bags for toxic women] by The Beat Man (September 6, 2014) ''LIving in Anglo-America''.</ref> One blogger actually gave out "Mangina Awards" and The Good Men Project is a recipient.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20110615000000*/http://whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.com/p/mangina-awards.html The Mangina Awards© updated Nov 2011] by Christian J., ''WMASAW: What Men Are Saying About Women'' (archived from October 14, 2012).</ref> It seems that an organization that focuses on men yet evokes sympathy, approval, and interaction from women can suffer a backlash from those who prefer it to remain principally focused on men.

===Anti-female groups===
[[File:La Donna E Mobile Rigoletto.ogg|frame|left|The MRA anthem: {{wpl|La donna è mobile|''La donna è mobile''}} (woman is fickle) from Verdi's opera Rigoletto]]
[[Image:Mracartoon.jpg|thumb|right|If you draw a picture, it ''must'' be true.]]
Some blatantly [[sexist]] sects of MRAs push the idea that there are definitive differences in ability between women and men ([[traditional values]] and "women's roles") and therefore suppose women should not compete with men for various jobs (although it is [[Double standard|apparently all right]] with them for women to receive more social encouragement to be child care givers, school teachers, or maids, without stigma). Specifically, these groups argue that macho worlds like construction, the military, fire departments, and police departments are no place for women because of their presumably inferior abilities or because that's just ''nasty''.

Many of these sites lean [[right-wing]] in the political ideologies they promote — e.g., the feminazis are attempting to steal men's hard-earned money through [[socialist]] policies. Of course, the [[irony meter]] is again through the roof here. Their ramblings tend to read like the [[communist]] tracts they also rail against: All feminists are [[evil]] (extending to all women for the MGTOW crowd) and seek to bring about [[female supremacy|matriarchal domination]] (i.e., become the "ruling class"). They cook up their [[propaganda]] in their nefarious women's studies classes in academia and spread it through woman's advocacy groups. This has supposedly caused most men to become indoctrinated into a [[false consciousness]], thereby causing them to abandon "[[No True Scotsman|true]]" masculinity (class traitors) and actively work against male liberties by becoming mouthpieces for and enforcers of the feminazi agenda ([[useful idiot]]s, or "manginas" in their terminology).<ref group=note>Also ironic is that many socialists (such as the SPD) used to be very un-feminist and resisted demands from conservatives for female suffrage and the right for women to labor, though they weren't opposed to female membership (unlike parties such as the [[NSDAP]]). It was only during the 1960's onward that many socialists actually started accepting feminist thought and that the roles reversed. Then again, there is probably a reason why they say that feminism was good, but is bad today.</ref>

Some also blast feminists for their "man-hatred," but they dump copious amounts of hatred on men who don't 
subscribe to their agenda
 share their [[persecution complex]]. If you don't eat beef jerky for every meal, idolize [[Chuck Norris]], [[Fun:Sandwich#As a taunt|and tell your bitch to make you a damn sandwich]], you're probably a mangina and responsible for the ongoing "feminization" of our society.

When confronted with concepts like [[patriarchy]] and its results, they tend to go [[Conspiracy theory|full-on tinfoil-hat]] and assume that it's actually a sinister plot by women<ref>[http://mic.com/articles/90131/the-8-biggest-lies-men-s-rights-activists-spread-about-women#.3pfTyxbvZ The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women] by Julianne Ross (June 10, 2014) ''Mic''.</ref><ref>[http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/07/13/new-mens-rights-conspiracy-theory-replaces-the-illuminati-with-teen-vogue/comment-page-1/ New Men's Rights conspiracy theory replaces the Illuminati with Teen Vogue] by David Futrelle (July 13, 2015) ''We Hunted the Mammoth''.</ref> and the [[New World Order]] [[Cultural Marxism|and/or communists]].<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20141231095103/https://www.mgtow.com/mgtow-is-men-going-the-right-way/ MGTOW is Men Going The Right Way] ''MGTOW'' (archived from December 31, 2014). "Marxism abolishes Absolute Truth. In a Marxist society everything is a Relative Truth. One thing you will hear many people who lived in Communist regimes claim they found to be the worst aspect of it all, were the lies! Everything becomes a lie, and there is no more truth."]. ([[Post-truth|Erm…]])</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20111103180107/http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/welcome-a-voice-for-men-has-a-new-face/ A Voice for Men Has a New Face and Feminism is a Communist Plot] by Paul Elam (July 3, 2010) ''A Voice For Men'' (archived from November 3, 2011). Usually they aren't as up-front as Paulie, here.</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130319101848/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNx2SLJVwy8&gl=US&hl=en Feminism Is Socialism] by Stefan Molyneux (Jan 24, 2012) ''YouTube'' (originally titled [https://web.archive.org/web/20160417201705/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNx2SLJVwy8 "Feminism Is Socialism with Panties?"], archived from April 17, 2016).</ref> Women more likely to get kids/maintenance in a divorce? It's because women have mindjacked hundreds of thousands of judges and lawyers with vaginal magic,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190408213401/http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/men-ruined-destroyed-by-feminist-legal-system-driven-to-self-immolation-murder Men ruined and destroyed by feminist legal system, driven to self immolation and murder] (June 20, 2011) ''Human Stupidity'' (archived from April 8, 2019).</ref> not because women are viewed as "maternal" and socially expected to be caregivers. There's some overlap with [[Redpill]]ers and [[Gamergate|Gators]], as well, and anti-feminist beliefs like MRAs' are one of the core tenets of redpill and MGTOW.

===MGTOW===
{{main|Men Going Their Own Way}}
A splinter group with some overlap with MRAs that says that not only are men more oppressed than women, but the only way for men to be free is to not live with women at all. In other words, the ''anti-feminist'' equivalent to the (equally kooky) [[radical lesbian separatism]] movement.

===Libertarian groups===
There is, however, a third class of MRA, who are sadly difficult to distinguish from the second. While still right-wing, this class of MRA tend to hold views that fall within the standard limits of a [[libertarian]] ideal, but, for some bizarre reason, seem determined to wrap these ideals in the most misogynistic-sounding language possible. Basically, women earn less money because the free market says so, and by attempting to change it, you're the devil. An example of such an MRA is [[Paul Elam]], host of the internet radio show "A Voice for Men," who posts on [[YouTube]] under the name TheHappyMisogynist.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/user/TheHappyMisogynist Paul Elam] "TheHappyMisogynist" is still part of the URL but was formerly on the YouTube page itself ([https://web.archive.org/web/20100326145726/http://www.youtube.com/user/TheHappyMisogynist TheHappyMisogynist], archived from March 26, 2010). It's a weird thing to be happy about.</ref>

==History and goals==
{{cquote|girls always love to telling people not to" Mansplain"<br>but they do not care of, "Man's Pain"|||dril<ref>[http://archive.ph/1NxsP girls always love to telling people not to" Mansplain" but they do not care of, "Man's Pain"] by @dril (9:45 PM - 16 Jul 2016) ''Twitter'' (archived from 23 Apr 2020 03:50:45 UTC).</ref>}}

Although one could argue the socialist movement was the original men's rights movement, by pushing for an end to male wage slavery, the beginnings of a self-identified modern Men's Rights Movement can be traced to an 1856 article in ''Putnam's Monthly'' which argued for an end to laws that made men legally responsible for the actions of women in relationships.<ref>[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015016891809&view=1up&seq=228 "A word for men's rights"] (February 1856), ''Putnam's Magazine'', 7(38):208–214.</ref> One example of such a law had to do with the 'heart balm' suit which awarded the person who broke off an engagement to marriage with financial compensation (virtually always the woman receiving compensation). Women were known for abusing this suit by 'gold-digging'; faking love then breaking off an engagement or blackmailing men whom they were engaged to. By the late 1920s, the practice had become a widespread criminal enterprise, highly profitable for both weeping bogus sweethearts and racketeering lawyers that it gained the appellation, “The Heart Balm Racket.”<ref name="Smithsonian">[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-heart-balm-racket-convinced-america-women-were-no-good-180968144/ How the “Heart Balm Racket” Convinced America That Women Were Up to No Good: Being engaged carried some legal consequences until the news media got a hold of a sensational story] by Tori Telfer (February 13, 2018) ''Smithsonian Magazine''.</ref>

[[File:ErnestBelfortBax.JPG|thumb|right|150px|Ernest Belfort Bax, the proto-MRA.]]
The first prominent MRA writer was arguably Marxist writer and anti-suffragist Ernest Belfort Bax. He wrote ''The Legal Subjection of Men'' in '''1908''',<ref>[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men ''The Legal Subjection of Men''] by E. Belfort Bax (1908) ''Wikisource''.</ref> modeled after ''The Subjection of Women'' by [[John Stuart Mill]]. Bax also wrote ''The Fraud Of Feminism'' in 1913<ref>[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fraud_of_Feminism More ''The Fraud Of Feminism''] by E. Belfort Bax (1913) ''Wikisource''.</ref> — at a time when only a minority of countries in the [[Western world]] even gave women the right to vote.<ref>{{wpa|Timeline of women's suffrage}}</ref> In his writings, Bax argued against laws which he saw as unfair sex-favoritism towards women, including the stiff penalties or jail time a man faced for leaving a marriage, when a woman faced no such penalties. He argued that feminists didn't really want to abolish [[chivalry]], and will appeal to chivalric arguments to defend their privileged position. He also argued that capitalism inherently placed man in a slave relationship to women, and only socialism could liberate men from women. Bax was therefore a socialist MRA activist, which today would be qualified as a strange kind of [[moonbat]].

A movement called the "Male Liberation Movement" was a single self-conscious liberal feminist movement that dissolved during the late 1970s. By the early 1980s, members of the movement had fully split into two entities. The members who had placed greater emphasis on the 'cost of male gender roles to men' than the 'cost of male gender roles to women' had formed the men's rights movement focusing on issues faced by men. The members who saw sexism exclusively as a system of men oppressing women rejected the language of sex roles and created pro-feminist men's organizations focused primarily on addressing sexual violence against women.<ref name="Messner1998">{{cite journal|last1=Messner|first1=Michael A.|title=The Limits of "The Male Sex Role": An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movements' Discourse|journal=Gender and Society|date=June 1998|volume=12|issue=3|pages=255–276}}</ref><ref name="Carrigan1985">{{cite journal|authors=Carrigan, Tim; Connell, Bob & Lee, John|title=Toward a New Sociology of Masculinity|journal=Theory and Society|date=September 1985|volume=14|issue=5|pages=551–604}}</ref>

[[Image:Suffrage.jpg|thumb|125px|left|Look familiar? Poor oppressed man, forced to do women's work!]]The 80s saw a rise of "Men's Rights Activists" who largely focus on men's oppression, and less on the feminist ideas of redefining social roles in general.<ref>[http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/190285?uid=3739448&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3737720&uid=4&sid=21104057898211 The Limits of "The Male Sex Role": An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movements' Discourse] by Michael A. Messner (1998) ''Gender & Society'' 12(3):255–276.</ref> MRAs also generally have asserted since the 80s that women and feminism "went too far" and harmed men in the process. Notable MRA Herb Goldberg [[PIDOOMA|asserted]] that women played a larger role in their own sense of [[Sexual objectification|objectification]] as well as the creation and maintenance of their social roles: "[[Blame the victim|I think women didn’t see their side of the coin particularly in their relationships with men; they didn’t see their part of the dance and how they helped to set up a lot of things that they found offensive, how they participated in them]]."<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20150413134947/http://podcasts.personallifemedia.com/podcasts/229-just-for-women/episodes/2990-maintaining-power-success-men-today- Episode 18: "Maintaining your Power and Success with Men in Today’s Relationship Scene" with Dr. Herb Goldberg] by Alissa Kriteman, ''Personal Life Media'' (archived from April 13, 2015).</ref> He and other Men's Rights groups also believed that women have the power in any sexual relationship, and men must "fight" to keep a sense of balance, which is often what ''leads'' to [[Sociopath|actual physical fights]] as men wrongfully use force to reclaim their power.

With the popularity of the internet, fringe groups of men's rights activists began talking with each other, creating centers for discussion of the poor life men necessarily led in a world so controlled by women. As with most internet "groups", a small to significant portion of them had extreme views — in this case, actual hatred towards women in their personal lives and in the world at large. [[Overton window|Feeding off each other]], many internet men's rights groups have become [[Echo chamber|cesspools]] of anti-women tirades, name-calling, and even instances of verbal violence against particular women who have stirred the pot.

Outside of these extremist voices, men's rights in the contemporary world is a niche market, but a few groups have helped change perceptions of the laws and application of laws in divorce courts, custody cases, and a few other legal venues.

As the movement found the [[Internet]], a new breed of men's rights proponents found a venue for a highly anti-female view of "men's rights", no longer just focused on generally accepted inequality (like family court issues), but an overall idea that men have it bad ''because'' of women. Wonder if they'll miss all the [[sex|boot-knocking]].

As the MRAs found a new home on the internet, especially on [[Reddit|/r/mensrights]], the MRAs managed to create a weird and and convoluted pseudo academic framework of epic proportions. The movement and its [[common descent|children]] have managed to create a [[Manosphere glossary|small orgy]] of various terms and concepts, the vast majority being completely unnecessary. A well-known example from the Red Pill community is the needless grouping of men into different categories based on some kind of social hierarchy. These categories has grown out of simply just [[Manosphere glossary#Alpha|alpha]] and [[Manosphere glossary#Beta|beta]] males into seven different categories (alpha, beta, delta, gamma, sigma, lambda, omega),<ref>[http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html The socio-sexual hierarchy] by Vox Day (March 5, 2011) ''Alpha Game Plan'' (archived from December 14, 2013).</ref> and why these are necessary for a sensible critique of modern feminism is completely beyond understanding.

==Alt-right overlap==
{{main|Alt-right}}
The [[Anti-Defamation League]] and others have noted a substantial overlap of men who ascribe to the MRM and alt-right ideologies.<ref name=adl>[https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/when-women-are-the-enemy-the-intersection-of-misogyny-and-white-supremacy When Women are the Enemy: The Intersection of Misogyny and White Supremacy] ''Anti-Defamation League''</ref> Some of the prominent people who are in both the MRM and alt-right are: [[F. Roger Devlin]], Andrew Anglin of ''[[The Daily Stormer]]'', [[Greg Johnson]], [[Richard Spencer]], Sam Woodward of [[Atomwaffen Division]], Henrik Palmgren and Lana Lokteff of [[Red Ice Creations]], and [[Roosh V]].<ref name=adl/>

==Claims and rebuttals==
{{cquote|[M]ost of the people who regurgitate these statistics – whom I refer to as MRAssholes, because "MRA" alone suggests that they’re both interested in rights and activism, but this isn’t the case – are simply not interested in addressing these statistics and the dependencies. This sort of thing is used exclusively as a whine – "look how bad us men have it!!" or "see, women are privileged too!" That's all. No thought, no solutions, no progress; just whining.|||Spherical Bullshit<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170813170151/https://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/you-literally-wont-believe-these-mind-blowing-simple-statistics-and-how-wrong-people-are-about-them/ You Literally Won’t Believe These Mind-Blowing Simple Statistics… And How Wrong People Are About Them] (February 12, 2014) ''Spherical Bullshit'' (archived from August 13, 2017).</ref>}}
There are various specific things that MRAs take issue with, some of which are legitimate issues where men are actually discriminated against. All of these arguments included here are taken directly from "Men's Rights" groups.

The interesting thing here is that feminism addresses essentially ''all'' of these concerns. It's as if feminism truly ''is'' about equality (one might even call feminism ''egalitarian'').

{{sbs|title=1|MRA argument|RationalWiki}}

===Circumcision===
{{sbs
|1=[[Circumcision]] (male genital mutilation or MGM) is a violation of the rights of male children. In [[media]], it isn't given the same treatment as [[female genital mutilation]] (FGM).<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20111227222221/http://www.israelwhat.com/2011/10/16/norwegian-mens-rights-group-compares-male-circumcision-to-female-genital-mutilation/ Norwegian men’s rights group compares male circumcision to female genital mutilation] by McGonagall (October 16, 2011) ''Norway, Israel and the jews'' (archived from December 27, 2011).</ref> Steven Svoboda writes that society thinks that "[w]omen's pain is simply more important than men's pain, and so we can tolerate a cultural practice of cutting baby boy's genitals."<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190830164925/http://www.menweb.org/svocirc.htm Circumcision: A Barbaric Practice, A Human Rights Violation] by J. Steven Svoboda (1997) ''MenWeb''.</ref>

|2=First, the attention that feminism has brought to FGM has increased pressure on countries that allow MGM. [[Ironic]]ally for MRAs, the most feminist-friendly nations are those taking the greatest action.<ref>{{wpa|Circumcision and law}}</ref> 

While it is true that a small number of men who are circumcised face serious complications (including life-long pain and sexual dysfunction), and that in very rare cases botched circumcisions can lead to severe injury, losing the foreskin is simply not remotely comparable with the more serious levels of FGM such as the lobbing off of the clitoris or worse. A comparable procedure would be cutting off the entire head of the penis, a {{wpl|meatotomy||,}} or a [[subincision]]; these practices do exist and are a genuine problem, even if they have never been as widespread. While media attention should be given to both of these completely unnecessary and damaging procedures, it is not unreasonable that a larger amount of attention is given to the more horrendous of the two procedures.
}}

===Pay gap===
{{main|Gender pay gap}}
{{sbs
|1=The "pay gap" only exists because men work far more hours at high-stress jobs they hate with longer commutes, less flexibility, more physical risk, etc., just to be breadwinners and feed their families, only to die younger and get bashed for “earning more".<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190816124312/https://ncfm.org/2011/04/news/issues/the-pay-gap/ Despite gains made by women the pay gap continues to be used in misleading ways to advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the pay gap.] (April 15, 2011) ''National Coalition for Men'' (archived from August 16, 2019).</ref> A study by the Congressional Budget Office in 2002 compared women and men ages 27-33 who had not had children, and found that the wage gap among them was 2%.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20090326020324/http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba392/ The Wage Gap Myth] (April 12, 2002) ''National Center for Policy Analysis'' (archived from March 26, 2009). The NCPA had a {{wpl|National Center for Policy Analysis|very delightful history|.}}</ref>

Corporations have supported the drive for women to enter the workforce [[Conspiracy theory|in order to expand the labor supply and drive down wages]].<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20100311011546/http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/08/department-of-labor-gender-wage-gap-a-myth/ Department of Labor: Gender Wage Gap a Myth] by Welmer (March 8, 2010) ''The Spearhead'' (archived from March 11, 2010). This is how not to read Department of Labor statistics.</ref> A somewhat unusual case of MRAs putting their money where their mouth is can be found in another YouTuber named RockingMrE. Mr. E agrees with the MRA sentiment that wages are driven down when both members of a household work… and thus he has opted to become a stay-at-home dad whose wife works.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20110204072111/http://www.youtube.com/user/RockingMrE RockingMrE] ''YouTube''. Seriously.</ref> ''How'' this helps either side is a question in itself.

|2=Complete crap.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170201230746/http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2016/ The Global Gender Gap Report] (2016) ''World Economic Forum''.</ref> It cannot be effectively argued that it has diminished to such a point where it is irrelevant, ''anywhere'' on the planet.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20141002223216/http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/factbook-2013-en/13/02/02/index.html?itemId=/content/chapter/factbook-2013-106-en OECD Factbook 2013: Economic, Environmental and Social Statistics] ''OECD Library'' (archived from October 2, 2014).</ref><ref>[http://www.infoplease.com/spot/equalpayact1.html The Equal Pay Act] (Updated February 28, 2017) ''Infoplease''.</ref> However, the effect of the wage gap in first-world countries can be overblown.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/09/president-obamas-persistent-77-cent-claim-on-the-wage-gap-gets-a-new-pinocchio-rating/ President Obama’s persistent '77-cent' claim on the wage gap gets a new Pinocchio rating] by Glenn Kessler (April 9, 2014) ''The Washington Post''.</ref>

The wage gap does correlate with the age of the workers in question.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20091123093757/http://www.catalyst.org/publication/217/womens-earnings-and-income Women's Earnings and Income] (October 2009) ''Catalyst'' (archived from November 23, 2009).</ref> A study of lawyers in the United States found that women ''with no children'' still earned significantly less than their male partners at the same practice.<ref>[http://www.theglasshammer.com/news/2009/02/05/the-wage-gap-puzzle-in-the-legal-profession-why-women-lawyers-still-earn-less-than-men-what-can-be-done-about-it/ The Wage Gap Puzzle in the Legal Profession: Why Women Lawyers Still Earn Less Than Men & What Can Be Done About It] ''The Glass Hammer''.</ref> Should we be expecting they're all laying on a couch having babies? (And even more absurdly, do you think that feminists ''want'' men to have higher-stress jobs than women?)}}

===War, male-only militaries, and male-only drafts===
{{sbs
|1=Most countries only require men to [[conscription|participate in the draft or national services]]. This means men can have higher chance to be put at risk in those countries, simply by being born male and possibly having to go to war.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20030919061531/http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/MSSA-2003.pdf The Military Selective Service Act] (As Amended Through July 9, 2003) ''Selective Service System'' (archived from September 19, 2003).</ref>
|2=This borders on [[red herring]] as nearly every nation in the developed world has stopped compulsory enlistment, and the ones which haven't often have neutral foreign policies. [[Sweden]], for example, was already opposing it in 2002 for the very reason that it was undermining gender equality; they finally scrapped it in 2010.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20060629013227/http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/military-international/ Women in the military — international] (May 30, 2006) ''CBC'' (archived from June 29, 2006).</ref> Nations that do enforce the draft for women (e.g. [[Israel]]) are in the minority; nevertheless, many that single-out males for conscription simultaneously portray women in a harshly negative light (think of the "get back in the kitchen" trope). [[Apartheid]] [[South Africa]] only conscripted white males, whereas black males were only even allowed in the army ''at all'' as a last resort, yet nobody in their right mind would conclude from this that Apartheid oppressed white people more than it did blacks.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/25/world/south-africa-ends-conscription-of-whites.html South Africa Ends Conscription of Whites] (August 25, 1993) ''The New York Times''.</ref> Similarly, until 2011, [[Don't ask, don't tell|openly gay people were forbidden from serving in the US military]] (and openly [[transgender]] people still are forbidden from serving in most militaries around the world; the Pentagon dropped that policy in 2016,<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/transgender-military.html Transgender People Will Be Allowed to Serve Openly in Military] by Matthew Rosenberg (June 30, 2016) ''The New York Times''.</ref> though [[Donald Trump|Trump]] tried to ban them again,<ref>[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40729996 Trump: Transgender people 'can't serve' in US military] (26 July 2017) ''BBC News''.</ref> but a federal court stopped this<ref>[https://apnews.com/31fe75346ad147ba9db0396d62aa741d US court bars Trump from reversing transgender troops policy] by David Crary & Jessica Gresko (October 30, 2017) ''AP''.</ref>). And as with apartheid, nobody argues that this means [[heterosexual]] and [[cisgender]] people are or were more oppressed than [[LGBTQ]]+ people. However, being conscripted is still not good for men. The only reason to conscript them is if they won't join the military when they have a choice.<ref name=conscription>{{wpa|Conscription and sexism}}</ref>

Some MRAs point to historical examples of when men were conscripted (such as during the two World Wars) as proof that men were more discriminated against throughout history, with all nations exempting women from conscription. However, [[disability|disabled]] men were also exempt; does this mean that able-bodied people were more discriminated against than the disabled? No, it was simply because both women and disabled men were seen (rightly or wrongly) to be more of a burden than an asset. Also, at least in World War II, male-only conscription for frontline combat roles was more rare than MRA's believe, as women filled 8% of combat roles in the Red Army while America kept women in support roles because they believed the general public would have an absolute cow otherwise.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20141009095503/http://americanhistoryprojects.com/downloads/ww2/combat.pdf Women in Combat: The World War II Experience in the United States, Great Britain,Germany, and the Soviet Union] by D'Ann Campbell (1993) ''The Journal of Military History'' 57(2):301-323.</ref> However, before the 20<sup>th</sup> century, men were the only ones ever subject to conscription.<ref name=conscription/> Moreover, the upper echelons of the military — and the government in general — are overwhelmingly male, and it is these people who decide both who gets into the military and where they are deployed. It might be more accurate to say, then, that this is less a problem of gender discrimination against men and more a problem of older male officers and armchair politicians playing games with the lives of their younger subordinates/soldiers (of course in some cases, that is unreasonable to both say and do, as soldiers are investments in and of themselves, and some death costs doesn't account for lost valued experience, gear, and training lost). Anti-war protestors have said something similar for decades. 

In rare cases, such as in North and South Korea, men are conscripted into a relatively riskier military service for less than market rate pay and comparatively poor living conditions. This may be a legitimate complaint for men in these countries, but neither is representative of a Western, first-world country in which many MRAs claim citizenship nor is either country an ideal towards which feminists worldwide aspire.

Note also that [[evolutionary psychology]] predicts that males are more disposable than females. Sperms are metabolically cheap to produce in the millions, while pregnancy is metabolically costly. This difference is generally accepted by many MRA advocates in other contexts. It also predicts that men will be disposable in war in ways that women are not, that men will be significantly overrepresented in dangerous jobs, and other objects of MRA complaint. In terms of physical fitness, men are more suited towards frontline duties and physical labor due to generally more durable and stronger musculoskeletal systems.<ref>{{wpa|Sex differences in human physiology#Skeleton and muscular system}}</ref> However, this wouldn't exclude women from certain combat roles, such as pilots as seen with the case of Kim Campbell (A-10 pilot).<ref>{{wpa|Kim Campbell (pilot)|Kim Campbell}}</ref> But this argument ignores that conscription is for worst-case scenarios. In those scenarios, it is less important to only use the best and/or most expendable people in combat and more important to get enough soldiers to win the war. So, requiring women to register for the draft makes strategic sense. More to the point, having a gender-based exemption to the legal responsibility for the defense of the nation is incompatible with gender equality.<ref>[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-reasons-women-should-have-to-register-for-the-draft_us_577591c0e4b00a3ae4cd748a 9 Reasons Women Should Have To Register For The Draft] by Kelly Antoine (07/02/2016 02:22 am ET Updated Jul 13, 2016) ''Huffington Post''.</ref> 

<!--[Clarify: Too long] In 1980, President Carter reactivated conscription. At the time, he asked for women to be included in the draft. Congress declined to amend the conscription act to include women, asserting that since the primary goal of conscription was to draft ground infantry, and since women were not authorized to be in combat zones, it made no sense to draft them. In {{wpl|Rostker v. Goldberg||,}} the Supreme Court reviewed the constitutionality of excluding women from the draft. The Court accepted that Congress made a rational decision based on the current standing of women in the military. In 1994, American president [[Bill Clinton]] asked the US Secretary of Defense to consider updates to the Selective Service and review the arguments for and against drafting women, as they were now permitted in Combat zones, though not as ground infantry. The DOD position remained that since women could not serve as ground infantry, drafting them would not fulfill the intentions of the draft. N.B.: The situation has recently changed in that the male privilege of being allowed to serve in combat has been lifted, and as a result, one can likely expect this to change soon.-->}}

===Education and sports===
{{main|Education}}
{{sbs|1=Another claim, far more common in the anti-feminist camps, is that the modern education system is "sissifying" our boys. Our schools today discourage boys from fighting (oh noes!). Such anti-feminist MRAs claim that schools discourage competition, and "hyper protect" kids from "natural," normal, ''manly'' roughhousing. Certain MRAs have held such actions up as proof that "feminist society" "wants boys to be girls." Another claim is that the education system is run for the benefit of girls rather than boys because women are over-represented among university and graduate school students. 
|2=If [[evidence]] shows the dangers of [[Fun:American football|football]], especially to young [[children]], ''especially'' to males, one would think that ''men'' would be the ones posed to gain the ''most'' if it was reformed.

And because of course ''all'' young boys need to play football to realize their budding masculinity, and that restricting football on school hours will emasculate red-blooded young boys, leaving them to take up girly things like every other less-hazardous sport they could dream of. It is true that girls get better grades than boys in all subjects. But there is no evidence that this is [[feminism]]'s fault.<ref>[http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bul-a0036620.pdf Gender Differences in Scholastic Achievement: A Meta-Analysis] by Daniel Voyer & Susan D. Voyer (2014) ''Psychological Bulletin'' 140(4):1174–1204. doi:10.1037/a0036620.</ref> If anything, the blame should be placed on — drum roll please — toxic masculinity [[Anti-intellectualism|emphasizing aggression and physicality over intellectual pursuits]].
}}

===Reproductive rights and mandated child support===
{{main|Reproductive rights}}
{{sbs
|1=Summarized as "if you have the right to [[Abortion|abort]] with or without my consent, I have the right not to pay for the child."

Men do not have any right to force a woman to have an abortion, or carry the child to term. However, because women hold this right in full, men must have a right to declare a desire to opt-out of child support.

|2=It's debatable whether forced child support is good or bad in the general case — whether the freedom for a father to choose not to have to pay child support is worth having the child grow up [[poor]]er if the mother doesn't abort. It is something that isn't studied nearly as much as it should be.

However, one must note that the largest burden for childcare, in terms of time and money, is on women when there is an ''unwanted'' [[pregnancy]]. If a woman feels compelled to have the child for religious or social reasons, that child was still the product of two persons, and the simple fact that she can "opt-out" (whether she chooses to or not) does not abdicate a man's responsibility. While a truly reliable, temporary male [[birth control]] is not yet available, men do have options, including using condoms and getting vasectomies (however, both condoms and vasectomies do fail sometimes, so that is an important factor as well).

That said, there are a few cases where a woman stole a man's sperm and impregnated herself with it; and in at least one of those cases, the man was then forced to pay child support. There are also documented instances of women becoming pregnant by committing statutory rape, and in one case that other courts in the United States have cited as precedent a panel of judges held a 12 year old whose babysitter molested him responsible for child support. In those cases, at least, the man certainly should have some form of protection or choice; but they are rare outliers and shouldn't affect the debate much.

Oh, and there's also the issue of putting the baby up for adoption.}}

===Healthcare and life expectancy===
{{main|Health care}}
{{sbs|1=One of the odder MRA claims is that the health system is geared for women, and against men.

According to various statistics related to male health, life expectancy, and [[suicide]] rates, men's medical issues are not given as much attention as women's health problems.

The word “women” appears 134 times in the body of [[Obamacare]]. The word “men” appears twice in the body of Obamacare. ZOMG!<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120307013549/http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/feminist-lie-3468-obamacare/ Feminist lie #3,468: Obamacare] by Antony Zarat (March 5, 2012) ''A Voice For Men'' (archived from March 7, 2012).</ref>
|2=Health care costs for women in the aggregate, accounted for 57 percent of total personal health care expenditures. "The greatest imbalance occurred in nursing home care, where females spent almost twice as much as males."<ref>Jonathan Cylus, et. al., [https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2010.0216 Pronounced Gender And Age Differences Are Evident In Personal Health Care Spending Per Person]. Health Affairs 30:1, January 2011.</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20051101093820/http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/femhealthcost.htm Domestic Violence Costs to the Economy: The Hidden Crime That Costs This Country $67 Billion] by Kimberly Amadeo (Updated May 23, 2019) ''The Balance''.</ref>{{efn|One of the most expensive procedures in the US is childbirth, costing an average of $10,000. There are a number of reasons for this, the biggest being defensive medicine and malpractice insurance (blame Senator John "C-section" Edwards<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/us/2004-campaign-north-carolina-senator-trial-work-edwards-left-trademark.html The 2004 Campaign: The North Carolina Senator. In Trial Work, Edwards Left A Trademark] by Adam Liptak & Michael Moss (January 31, 2004) ''The New York Times''.</ref>), but the end result is if a woman is expected to have 3 kids and cost an extra $30,000, over her lifetime she will have to pay the insurance company an extra $30,000. Perhaps unironically, this is one of many reasons for the pay gap between men and women; if the company offers health insurance, they have to "pay" women more. Around age [[Fun:Forty-two|42]], men start costing more to insure than women.}} Prior to Obamacare, many states still allowed insurance companies to charge women more for the same coverage. However, this is because health insurance companies consider women greater risks than men because they consume more medical care.<ref>[https://www.healthline.com/health-news/should-women-pay-more-healthcare-services Should Women Pay More for Healthcare Services? An updated rule under the Affordable Care Act sparks debate over whether insurance companies should be allowed to charge women more for healthcare.] by Rose Rimler (June 13, 2016) ''Healthline''.</ref> Because they are largely in charge of reproductive control, women tend to visit doctors more often, and their health concerns are often caught before they become out of control. Men's issues have historically been taken seriously whereas women's issues often require a real fight to be acknowledged by the medical community. For example, the female viagra wasn't approved until 2015.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201108105757/http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/298349 'Female Viagra' approved by FDA] by Honor Whiteman (August 19, 2015) ''Medical News Today''.</ref>

Some issues that are usually viewed as men's problems such as alcoholism have been severely under-studied in women. Until May of 2014 the US did not even require pharmaceuticals be tested equally on female laboratory animals or human subjects, for fuck's sake, although claims that this discrepancy in testing extended to human subjects were either outright lies or were done for obvious medical reasons. However, the idea that the healthcare system as a whole is biased against women is difficult to maintain in the face of women getting superior outcomes to men in many cases.<ref>[https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96jun/cancer/kadar.htm The Sex-Bias Myth in Medicine] By Andrew G. Kadar (August 1994) ''The Atlantic Monthly''.</ref>

There is, however, a socially-created reality that men do not go to the doctor as often or as "soon" as women do, and this often leads to finding problems late into the [[medical]] situation, so instead of an easy prevention (say, for example, the onset of diabetes, depression, or knee problems which all can be mitigated) the patients require more serious treatment. MRAs haven't explained how feminism has caused this; it is far more likely that this phenomenon is a manifestation of how men are expected (by both women ''and'' other men) to be less emotional, including showing less of an emotional reaction to pain or illness, hence them putting off seeking medical assistance until their health issues become impossible to ignore.

As for life expectancy, it's true that women currently live longer then men. Whether you're in [[Iran]] or [[Iceland]] they still live longer.<ref>{{wpa|List of countries by life expectancy}}</ref> Why this occurs remains vague; socioeconomic factors has a part. Unfortunately, the difference isn't narrowing.<ref>[http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men Why do Women Live Longer Than Men?] by David Robson (1<sup>st</sup> October 2015) ''BBC''.</ref> In addition, it appears to have been a relatively recent phenomenon brought on by higher mortality caused by [[smoking]] and binge drinking, which have traditionally been male affairs. Prior to the demographic transition of the 19th and early 20<sup>th</sup> centuries (when death in childbirth and infectious diseases were largely eliminated in the " Global North " ) men outlived women virtually everywhere in the world, sometimes by 5 or more years.<ref>Living Standards in the Past: New Perspectives on Well-Being in Asia and Europe
edited by Robert C. Allen, Tommy Bengtsson, Martin Dribe</ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120331113931/http://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending.aspx Estimates of Funding for Various Research, Condition, and Disease Categories (RCDC)] (February 24, 2020) ''NIH''. In the U.S, the NIH has budget items for women's health and violence against women, but no corresponding items for men's health or violence against men.<ref> National Institute of Health.</ref>

This is certainly unfair, but does not imply that the healthcare system as a whole is unfair to men. Indeed, that would be like a white person saying that the existence of the National Institute on Minority Health and Health Discrepancy somehow means the entire system is rigged in against white people, even though the point of such an institute is to alleviate already existing healthcare inequalities. As it stands, the healthcare system was designed with men in mind  while organizations have had to spring up in order for women's specific health concerns to keep pace.{{citation needed}} While men and women commit equal levels of minor domestic violence against one another, severe domestic violence and domestic terrorism is still committed more against women,<ref>[http://jech.bmj.com/content/64/10/849 Exploring gender differences in the patterns of intimate partner violence in Canada: a latent class approach] by Donna L. Ansara & Michelle J. Hindin (2010) ''Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health'' 64(10):849-854. doi:10.1136/jech.2009.095208.</ref><ref>[http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S135917891100022X?via%3Dihub Gender differences in self-reports of intimate partner violence: A review] by Ko Ling Chan (2011) ''Aggression and Violent Behavior'' 16(2):167-175. doi:10.1016/j.avb.2011.02.008.</ref> while a great deal of female-on-male violence seems to be self-defense.<ref>[http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/springer/vav/2008/00000023/00000003/art00003 A Review of Research on Women's Use of Violence With Male Intimate Partners] by Suzanne C. Swan et al. (2008) Violence and Victims'' 23(3):301-314. doi:10.1891/0886-6708.23.3.301.</ref> However, most female on male violence is not in self-defense. A study of British heterosexuals found that only 21% of female on male domestic violence is in self-defense.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20060223080150/http://batteredmen.com/carrgeo3.htm Aggression in British Heterosexual Relationships: A Descriptive Analysis] by Michelle Carrado et al. (1996) ''Aggressive Behavior'' 22(6):401-415. doi:10.1002/(SICI)1098-2337(1996)22:6<401::AID-AB1>3.0.CO;2-K.</ref><!--Is this comparable to male on female? That may be relevant.--> Women are six times more likely to sustain injury during domestic violence and are far more likely to be murdered and significantly more likely to experience domestic sexual abuse.
:
In terms of genetics, the lack of two X chromosomes for [[cisgender|most]] men contributes to the relatively lower life expectancy compared to women. Because cells of an XY male only contain one X chromosome, an X chromosome with a gene which causes a {{wpl|recessive genetic disorder}} cannot undergo {{wpl|lyonization}} because no other X chromosome can serve as a replacement for the {{wpl|Barr body||.}} A female must have a homozygous genotype in order to express the gene disorder; males just need to inherit a single gene to express it. In terms of sample spaces, the size is two and four for males and females respectively, where one element is the event of receiving the gene disorder. Males have one event of not receiving the gene disorder while females have three.<ref>{{wpa|X-linked recessive inheritance}}</ref>}}

====Suicide====
{{main|Suicide}}
{{sbs|1=Many MRAs point to the much higher worldwide suicide rate among men than among women as an example of inequality (though like the above, this is rarely directly attributed to feminism itself).<ref name=Prospect/>
|2=At least in the [[United States]], there is an easy, gruesome (and sad) explanation for this. As Womenshealth.gov writes:<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20150306190721/http://www.womenshealth.gov/mens-health/top-health-concerns-for-men/suicide.html Men's Health: Suicide] (Content last updated: January 10, 2011) ''Office on Women’s Health in the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services'' (archived from March 16, 2015).</ref>

{{quotebox|Although more women than men attempt suicide, men are almost four times more likely than women to die by suicide. One reason is that men are more likely to use deadlier means — such as firearms — when they set out to take their own lives.}}

Where women tend to use more knives and pills (which fail quite often), men tend to use more guns and bridges (which don't fail nearly as often). This doesn't mean that suicidal men don't deserve help, but rather this isn't a rights issue so much as a tragic phenomenon that should be reduced. The fact that women attempt suicide more often would indicate that they are especially in need of support. Why not help all of them?}}

====More expensive insurance premiums====
{{sbs
|1=Generally tied into the above issue is that men pay more for insurance than women.<ref>[http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFeminism&diff=1183962&oldid=1168598 Difference between revisions of "Talk:Feminism"] by [[BoN]] (Revision as of 21:03, 18 April 2013) ''RationalWiki''.</ref>

|2= This is sort of true. Men actually pay less for health insurance, until about age 41,<ref group=note>Pregnancy costs on average $10,000. Yes that's right; this is less because of greedy healthcare providers (though that's part of it) and more because Americans are less likely to abort in cases where the fetus has issues (premature babies can cost more than ''liver transplants'', and Thor help you if you have [[Ben Carson|congenitally conjoined twins]]). Then there's the issue with drug addiction, which gets paid for by everyone else. Add on the malpractice insurance, where due to the way the legal system works an OBGYN costs anywhere from $80,000 to over $300,000 per year to insure, and that's one that ''doesn't'' have a bad history!</ref> but more for auto and life insurance. But men are getting cheaper health insurance because men don't go to the doctor as much, they have more expensive auto insurance because they are more likely to be in accidents (now you see the problem with [[stereotype]]s), and they have more expensive life insurance because they don't shop around, live shorter lives, and lead riskier lives (this might be related to the whole "live shorter lives" part).<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/health/policy/women-still-pay-more-for-health-insurance-data-shows.html Gender Gap Persists in Cost of Health Insurance] by Robert Pear (March 19, 2012) ''The New York Times''.</ref><ref>[http://archive.ph/vfe7w Why Do Men Pay More for Car Insurance?] by Terence Loose (2003) ''Yahoo News'' (archived from 7 Jul 2013 13:32:08 UTC).</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130928132235/http://www.lifeinsure.co.uk/men-pay-more-for-life-insurance-because-they-dont-shop-around/ Men pay more for life insurance because they don’t shop around] ''LifeInsure.co.uk'' (archived from September 28, 2013).</ref> This is still a legitimate issue of concern because it paints ''all'' men with the same broad stroke in a negative way, but [[Irony|the people fighting to end the practice are largely ''feminists'']].}}

===Government support for businesses===
{{sbs
|1=In the United States, the federal government has one program designed to support small businesses that are owned by women, but does not have a similar program targeted uniquely at men.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20110205045735/http://www.sba.gov/content/women-owned-small-business-program Women-Owned Small Business Federal Contract Program: SBA Expands Access to Federal Contracting Opportunities for Women-Owned Small Businesses] (February 1, 2011) ''Small Business Administration'' (archived from February 5, 2011).</ref>
|2=While the American government supports small businesses regardless of the gender of the owner in a variety of ways, the program supporting small woman-owned businesses is a direct response to the extreme rarity of female executives and business owners.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20110814030955/http://www.catalyst.org/file/412/2010_us_census_women_executive_officers_and_top_earners_final.pdf 2010 Catalyst Census: Fortune 500 Women Executive Officers and Top Earners] ''Catalyst'' (archived from August 14, 2011).</ref><ref>[http://www.infoplease.com/spot/womenceo1.html Wonder Women: Profiles of leading female CEOs and business executives] by John Gettings et al. (February 28, 2017) ''Infoplease''.</ref> There is no similar rarity of male executives. It is [[affirmative action]], but one that most people would argue is rather important.}}

===The Birkenhead Drill===
{{sbs
|1=MRAs are unhappy about the "women and children first" protocol in maritime disasters, for example the Titanic in 1912, where 74% of the women survived but only 20% of the men did.<ref>[http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm Titanic Disaster: Official Casualty Figures] by Chuck Anesi (2018) ''anesi.com''.</ref>

|2=The so-called "Birkenhead Drill" has never been codified as international maritime law,<ref name="BBC-costa-concordia">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16576289 Costa Concordia: The rules of evacuating a ship] by Tom de Castella (16 January 2012) ''BBC''.</ref><ref group="note">The closest it gets is the [[Boy Scouts]] calling it the "motto of the sea," and the Boy Scouts are notably neither a legislative body nor a bastion of feminism</ref> and studies even suggest that survival rates ''favor'' men in general accidents on average; the [[Titanic]] was a rather anomalous situation, and involved ''massive'' failures on many other levels as well.<ref name="BBC-costa-concordia"/><ref>Mikael Elinder and Oscar Erixson, [https://web.archive.org/web/20120515024230/http://www.nek.uu.se/Pdf/wp20128.pdf Every man for himself: Gender, Norms and Survival in Maritime Disasters] (2012). Working Paper 2012:8, ''Department of Economics, Uppsala University'' (archived from May 15, 2012).</ref>

The Birkenhead Drill is extremely rare these days; it was last applied in 2011<!--This is what Wikipedia lists as most recent; it might not be up-to-date--> in a low-risk scenario with zero casualties.<ref>[http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6209508&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines Cris Collinsworth among 83 rescued] (Mar 12, 2011) ''AP'' via ''ESPN''.</ref><ref group="note">There were "informal instructions" to prioritize women and children — along with men with families—when ''Costa Concordia'' wrecked; most people ignored them.</ref> The only preferential treatment ''frequently'' implemented appears to be for disabled and injured passengers, pregnant women, the elderly, and young children.<ref name="BBC-costa-concordia"/><ref group="note">Unless you're a total [[sociopath]], this is something that MRAs and feminists can both agree upon.</ref>

When the "women and children first" trope ''has'' been applied, you have to wonder whether it's really ultimately the result of seeing men as expendable, the result of condescendingly lumping women together with children as people who can't look after themselves and need to be protected, or simply an act of selflessness expected from men thanks to machismo and [[evolutionary psychology]].

And if we ''are'' getting into the ethical question of whom to save, if each lifeboat only has room for 2000 pounds of human, and women usually weigh less than men...

For those curious about the history, the drill is named after the sinking of the {{wpl|HMS Birkenhead}} in 1852, which was a troopship—nearly everyone onboard who ''wasn't'' a woman or child was a soldier or a seaman. It's believed there were only 7 women and 13 children aboard (all surviving), compared to roughly 500 men (173 surviving). Letting women board before men only prioritized a small number of people, who could be reasonably considered more in need of help, being civilians; furthermore, it seems likely that many of the women were the children's mothers, and putting small children on a lifeboat alone is clearly a bad idea.<!--Was this an unnecessary tangent? I'm not sure.-->}}

===Family court===
During the 70s-90s, it was without doubt that women were given an edge in family courts. Many if not most courts saw the mother as the more important parent, and the courts were therefore more inclined to give custody of children to the mother, all else being equal. This attitude can be found in some courts today, but it is less common and easier to challenge.<ref>[http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/more-fathers-getting-custody-in-divorce/ More Fathers Are Getting Custody in Divorce] by Lisa Belkin (November 17, 2009, 11:03 AM) ''The New York Times''.</ref>

It is important, however, to put this in perspective as the other side of the coin of the mandate of motherhood: mothers were the default recipients of custody in good part because raising children was a feminine duty, as it was, in the patriarchal scheme, the most important role that any woman should aspire to.

Divorce became more socially acceptable starting in the 1950s. At this time, women were often considered homemakers - unskilled or unable to support themselves. As a result, during the 50s-80s courts gave large settlements of spousal support (alimony) to women. As women began joining the workforce and income disparity between genders narrowed, the practice has declined.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20150413135003/http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/djglp19&div=5&id=&page= Alimony: What Social Science and Popular Culture Tells Us about Women, Guilt, and Spousal Support after Divorce] by Judith G. McMullen (2011) ''Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy'' 19(1):41-81.</ref> Major reforms in the [[US]], [[Canada]] and the [[UK]] reflect the reality of co-parenting, two parents working, and women supporting the husband. In fact, a few states in the US do not hear arguments for long-term spousal support except where there are extenuating circumstances.<ref>[http://scholarship.kentlaw.iit.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&context=fac_schol Homogenous Rules for Heterogeneous Families:The Standardization of Family Law When There is No Standard Family] Katherine K. Baker, Pages 20-25</ref> Further, at least in the UK, study has shown that of those who actually apply for custody of their children, an equal proportion of men and women receive custody with no statistically discernible gender bias in rulings.<ref>[http://www.nuffieldfoundation.org/sites/default/files/files/Full%20report.pdf How do County Courts share care of children between parents?] by Maebh Harding & Annika Newnham (May 2015) ''University of Reading/University of Warwick''.</ref> Ironically, it was the accomplishments of feminism in the 20th century that were largely responsible for mitigating this imbalance.{{cn}}

The modern Western presumption that custody should be awarded to the mother was codified in the {{wpl|Tender Years Doctrine}}, adopted in English law in 1839 and expanded in 1873, encouraging similar legislation throughout the European sphere of influence. Prior to the first Act, 'ownership' of children of any age (along with ownership of everything else) was given to the father in cases of divorce, up to and including shutting the mother out of their lives completely, with no recourse. So, in fact, bias in favour of maternal custody is a relatively recent phenomenon; a partial correction or mitigation of women's disadvantaged state at the time it was introduced. Some MRAs will claim that this bias has existed for a lot longer than it has in order to try to frame custody as one part of some vast systematic oppression of men. A crushing ignorance of history and/or culture is merely par for the course for antifeminist MRAs.

===Criminal sentencing===
{{sbs
|1=In the United States, women receive significantly shorter prison sentences than men for the same crime.
|2=This is indisputable. One of the arguments against the [[death penalty]] today is that a greater proportion of men are convicted of capital crimes, and receive longer punishments for that crime. Out of the 1,500 or so executions in the US, only 16 of them were women (as of September 2020).<ref>[https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/women Women are rarely sentenced to death in the United States and executions of women are even rarer. Researchers have suggested that women who are sentenced to death are often perceived as breaking gender norms.] ''Death Penalty Information Center''.</ref> It is inconceivable that these women are 1/100th as worthy of capital punishment as men.

Believing that feminists are responsible for this rather ignores a core tenet of feminism: equal treatment, and that would also mean for committing the same crime.}}

====Domestic violence====
{{main|Domestic violence}}
{{sbs|1=The legal system frequently has an imbalance in viewing domestic violence. When a call is made regarding domestic violence in the homes, men are generally assumed to be the perpetrator and women the victim. Some [[state]]s (like [[Colorado]]) have a mandatory "removal for safety" law, which requires that if a couple is involved, the male participant must be taken out of the home (or away from the scene) regardless of the circumstances. More extreme MRA positions go so far as to claim that women are the cause of violence, are more often the perpetrators of violence in the home, and that men have to react violently in self-defense.

The ''Violence Against Women Act'' and primary aggressor laws (laws in some states requiring the man to be arrested in any domestic dispute call, regardless of who the aggressor is) are factors that create environments in which [[domestic violence]] perpetrated against men by women is not taken seriously.<ref>[http://www.ejfi.org/DV/dv-9.htm Controlling Domestic Violence Against Men] by Charles E. Corry et al. (2001-2008) Originally presented at the Sixth International Conference on Family Violence in San Diego, California, the evening of September 10, 2001. Won't anyone please think of the men for once?</ref>

Relatedly, some MRAs argue that laws allowing restraining orders are the result of feminism being better-funded than men's rights activism.<ref>Talking Back to Restraining Orders (7 September 2014), [http://restrainingorderabuse.com/2014/09/07/big-money-v-no-money-vawa-and-the-mens-rights-movement/ Big Money v. No Money: VAWA and the Men's Rights Movement] (September 7, 2014) ''Talking Back to restraining orders''.</ref>

|2=The problem with male victims of domestic abuse being arrested instead of their female partners is real. One explanation is that we have created a society in which the valued traits in men are stereotypically masculine, such as strength, stoicism, and ability to defend oneself from a weaker woman, so society will naturally step up to protect the "weak" woman against the "macho" abuser.

Abused men are sometimes reluctant to report victimization because of the stigma of being embarrassed and labelled as "unmanly"<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20080720203339/http://www.adfvc.unsw.edu.au/PDF%20files/Men_as_Victims.pdf Men as Victims of Domestic Violence] by Jane Mulroney & Carrie Chan (2005) ''Australian Domestic and Family Violence Clearinghouse, University of New South Wales'' (archived from July 20, 2008).</ref> (indeed, domestic violence ''in general'' tends to be highly underreported). It has been suggested that as society becomes more egalitarian, more focus will be placed on male domestic abuse.<ref>[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/07/feminism-domestic-violence-men The invisible domestic violence – against men: More women are being convicted of domestic violence, but discovering the true number of male victims is a complex affair] by Nicola Graham-Kevan (7 Jun 2011 06.49 EDT) ''The Guardian''.</ref> This is one of the only areas where some individual elements of the feminist movement are partially responsible; when mandatory arrest laws for domestic violence first came about there was a small but rather vocal group of women complaining that police were arresting a higher percentage of women than before (the national average before such laws was 5%, and the complaints began when the percentage in Florida rose to 11% after implementation of mandatory arrest laws), and there have been occasional protests against acknowledging male domestic violence victims. Where the MRAs lose traction is when they neglect the fact that these attitudes, while certainly problematic, are only those of said individuals and not representative of feminism as a whole. Many other feminists have pointed out that the movement seeks equality between men and women on all matters, which would absolutely include equal treatment for male and female domestic abusers and victims.<ref>[http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/ The Surprising Truth About Women and Violence] by Cathy Young (June 25, 2014) ''TIME''.</ref>}}

===False rape accusations===
{{sbs
|1=MRAs incessantly complain about false accusations, demanding that people be punished and/or prosecuted for lying about rape and criticizing any bias, real or perceived, against an accused person.
|2=This is certainly reasonable in cases where the accuser admits to or has been irrefutably ''proven'' to have been knowingly and deliberately making false allegations, and they [[Stopped clock|occasionally]] have a valid point; in recent memory there were some truly bizarre criticisms of {{wpl|Conor Oberst}} for having the ''audacity'' to file a defamation lawsuit in response to a completely bogus allegation (since he is known for being very pro-feminist he was apparently supposed to do nothing and allow his reputation to be destroyed "for the greater good of helping survivors" or some such, and shortly after the woman apologized he decided to drop it anyways), and in the wake of the collapse of ''Rolling Stone's'' "[[A Rape on Campus]]" story, a number of people blithely ignored the fact that protesters went unpunished after throwing cinder blocks through the windows of the [[fraternity]] house and ultimately forcing its members to live in hotels for several weeks, to name two.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140722091755/http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/how-conor-oberst-became-mra-icon/ How Conor Oberst became an accidental MRA icon: When men's rights activists win, everybody else loses.] by Chris Osternorf (Mar 2, 2020, 1:12 am) ''Daily Dot''.</ref><ref>[http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html Crying Rape" False rape accusations exist, and they are a serious problem.] by Cathy Young (Sept 18, 20148:07 PM) ''Slate''.</ref><ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/21/rolling-stone-university-of-virginia-rape-story-sp/ Unpunished vandalism rampage inspired by Rolling Stone's U.Va. rape story: Student activist who led vandalism attack on Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house says he has no regrets] by Jeffrey Scott Shapiro (December 21, 2014) ''The Washington Times''.</ref> <br>
<br>
However, these scenarios are ''far'' less frequent than many of them would care to admit, for the simple reason that the act reporting sexual assault or harassment is itself a great risk for the accuser<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170710231121/https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf Reporting Sexual Assault: Why Survivors Often Don't] ''Maryland Coalition Against Sexual Assault''.</ref> — ironically, it is exactly because of the damaging notion that women often lie about rape that many victims fail to report it.<ref>[https://www.self.com/story/why-women-dont-report-sexual-assault Want To Know Why Women Don't Report Sexual Assault? It's because of how they are treated when they do.] by Nina Bahadur (October 13, 2016) ''Self''.</ref>  When false accusations do happen, the lies typically fall apart under scrutiny, as shown by [[A Rape on Campus]]. The majority of the time, when MRAs claim an accuser lied they cannot point to much (or any) evidence. Even in those relatively rare instances when they have a legitimate complaint, instead of constructive discourse their response generally consists of hysterical ranting; ironically, on one such occasion, they also made false accusations themselves with Occidental College's rape form, in an effort to crash the system.<ref>[http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/12/19/occidental_college_flooded_with_false_rape_reports_from_men_s_rights_activists.html Men's Rights Activists Do Not Prove Their Point] by  Amanda Marcotte (Dec 19, 20131:31 PM) ''Slate''.</ref>}}

===Rape of males===
The more universally accepted claim by MRA is that men are raped, by other men but also by [[women]]. In 2012 the National Crime Victimization Survey found that 38% of incidents of rape and sexual violence were against men.<ref>[http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html When Men Are Raped: A new study reveals that men are often the victims of sexual assault, and women are often the perpetrators.] by  Hanna Rosin (April 29, 201412:54 PM) ''Slate''.</ref> The more extreme view held by some MRAs includes ideas that women often [[lie]] about rape. Although the actual number of false accusations is notoriously difficult to pin down and varies with different reporting methodology, a 2009 study of rape cases across different European countries found the percentage of cases designated false to be 4-9%.<ref>[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265234041_Different_systems_similar_outcomes_Tracking_attrition_in_reported_rape_cases_across_Europe Different systems, similar outcomes? Tracking attrition in reported rape cases across Europe] by Jo Lovett and Liz Kelly from the London Metropolitan University (2009)</ref> In the US, different jurisdictions have different criteria for evaluating whether a rape accusation is false and often times it is lumped in with other types of cases (such as unproven or unfounded). However, there have been a couple of studies on the subject such as the study and the generally accepted range is between 2-10% of rape allegations are proven false.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130915143809/http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf False Reporting: NSVRC Overview] from the NSVRC Overview (2012)</ref>

===Marital rape===
{{sbs
|1=[[Marital rape]] laws are [[misandry|misandrist]] because the wife automatically consents to sex whenever the husband desires as part of the marriage contract.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130614080217/http://antimisandry.com/activism-knowledge/mens-rights-objectives-9082.html#axzz26Ru11kjq Anti Misandry] (archived from June 30, 2013).</ref><ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130610152515/http://lndavout.blogspot.ca/2006/10/dangerous-canard-of-marital-rape.html The Dangerous Canard of 'Marital Rape'] by Davout (October 17, 2006) ''Davout'' (archived from June 10, 2013).</ref><ref group="note">[Both of these links are either restricted or broken and it might be the case that this is an obsolete argument that is not made by MRAs.]</ref> A less severe formulation is that marital rape laws are unfairly biased against men because regular rape laws should cover it.
|2=This argument is so mind-bogglingly offensive that any competent observer should be able to dismiss it out of hand. Unfortunately, as the [[Republican Party]] attempts to redefine the definition of sexual assault (à la only criminalizing "[[War on Women#Lowlights|forcible rape]]") this argument has found unexpected new ammunition. The weaker version, while more plausible, neglects to point out that many existing non-marital rape laws make exceptions for husbands, meaning that ending marital rape laws "as a separate category of rape" would require changing the non-marital rape laws, or effectively decriminalize marital rape altogether in many jurisdictions.}}
<!--Rewrite {{sbs
|1=The [[Boy Scouts]] let girls in, but the Girl Scouts don't let in boys!
|2=Firstly, Girl Scouts exist to give girls a girls-only space (though, M->F [[transgenderism]] is allowed). Secondly, they are not cub/boy scouts but rather {{wpl|Venturing (Boy Scouts of America)|Venture Scouts}} which aren't the same sort of members. Anyways, the fact that a girls-only club exists is insignificant when compared to the economic, political and social disadvantages girls and women have.}}-->

===Homelessness===
{{sbs
|1= Approximately 60% of all documented homeless identify as male.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20171211153656/https://www.hudexchange.info/resources/documents/2017-AHAR-Part-1.pdf The 2017 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress] (December 2017) ''The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Community Planning and Development''.</ref>{{rp|9}}
|2= This is partially due to men being more prone to a number of things that in turn are associated with homelessness.  For example men are more likely to be alcoholic and more prone to have special needs, both of which strongly influences likelihood of ended up homeless. Whether this fully explains the gap in homelessness is unclear, but what is clear is that no one has given any explanation how feminism was to blame.}}

==Criticisms==
{{cquote|Equality?! Give me back that vote, woman! Lemme guess who's at work and busting his ass all day, lemme guess who makes the most money - I know, it's Chuck! It's ''the man''! '''[audience claps and whistles]''' You know who's made the most money throughout history? ''The man''! Who have been the great leaders? Men! Maybe you have {{wpl|Cleopatra|Cleopatra}} but, [[Egypt]]ians live in triangles, tetrahedrons and shit. A triangle is not manly! '''[audience claps]''' Who fought the best [[war]]s? Men! Who make the best [[murder]]ers? Men! Who invented [[the plague]]? Men! We got it ''all'', bitch! We run this show, and I don't give a fuck who knows it!|||Judge Grady, ''Just or Unjust''<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk1wNuHg1FA&t=4m27s GTA IV Radio WKTT: Judge Grady - Just or Unjust #1] by  FE4R87 (May 14, 2010) ''YouTube''.</ref>}}
Critics of both camps of the movement liken it to [[reverse racism]] and argue that men who subscribe to the ideology are merely trying to hold on to [[privilege]] granted them by a long history of [[patriarchy|patriarchal]] [[culture]]. The term "movement" is itself challenged, since "men's movements" function more as a social salve, rather than ''actually redressing'' inequality in the overall social structure. There remain relatively few barriers to men's achievement in the world compared to women's (this is especially notable if you look at literal centuries of women being denied opportunity, which is still having an effect today), and few real areas where one can demonstrate a "lack of equality."<ref>Michael Messner, ''Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements'' (1997), Sage Publications</ref> Where such inequalities (apparent or real) do actually exist, it is important to critique if they're a result of feminism or if they derive from cultural attitudes which long predate it. Indeed, it'll be difficult to find mainstream feminists who push ingrained prejudices such as "men are strong enough to look out for themselves and don't need support."

Men's rights activists have been criticized for [[privilege blindness]] and their tendency towards "[[mansplaining]]." Frequently, MRA arguments rely on gross generalizations. Men's rights activists also have a reputation for palpable anger, based on their personal experiences of relationships, [[divorce]], or the law. This stereotype is common to almost all [[fringe]] groups, however, as can be seen from the "angry feminist who wants to destroy men" [[stereotype]] (which has even greater currency in pop culture).

===Exaggerating men's issues===

MRA's have often come under fire for exaggerating or even making up men's issues with the deliberate intention of either downplaying women's issues or attempting to delegitimize feminism as a whole. They have an unfortunate tendency of blowing up minute problems into massive injustices and oftentimes being completely oblivious to similar issues women face.

An example of this in action is the near-ubiquitous tendency of MRAs to toot the #NotAllMen horn when any criticism of male behavior is raised only to engage in the same kind of generalizations with regards to women.

Many issues MRA's campaign on are either outright fabrications or are deliberately designed as a means of couching garden variety sexism by pretending to care about social equality. An example of this is how MRAs will complain about the poor treatment men who're victims of rape receive only to make male rape jokes.

===Misogyny===
Many men's rights groups use the term as a front for misogyny while claiming to be for gender equality; some openly supporting patriarchy.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20100223210511/http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/21/patriarchy-works/ Patriarchy Works] by Jack Donovan (December 21, 2009) ''The Spearhead'' (archived from February 23, 2010).</ref> Since they haven't gained much influence as of yet, their activity seems to be mostly limited to whining about the "[[Rush Limbaugh|feminazis]]" or "femtards" on the internet.

One splinter group of the MRM (which has a complicated relationship with the movement) is [[Men Going Their Own Way]], aka MGTOW (the equivalent of "[[Going Galt]]" for misogynists). Their aim is to escape the "male-hatred" of our society, which has been [[Not even wrong|poisoned by the cabal of feminists and their vile ideology]] (which is [[Horseshoe theory|not dissimilar]] to [[Political lesbianism|some types of separatist feminism]]). This puts them in a dilemma, as they still want to have sex but have disavowed relationships with women. The result: Sex bot obsession! Liberation will soon be at hand as the sex bot nears perfection!<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20091127060827/http://antifeministtech.blogspot.com/2009/05/sex-bots-and-artifical-wombs.html Sex bots and artificial wombs] by Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech (May 26, 2009) ''Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology'' (archived from November 27, 2009).</ref>

===Mistreatment of men by MRA===
{{cquote|I would rather not see these kinds of "gay, redpill, and proud" posts. Masculinity is in part defined by our attraction to the feminine. If your preference is to be a man-pleaser then you're not expressing any kind of masculinity that's worth celebrating.|||/u/rich02468<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140106084322/https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1u6grf/i_am_a_former_beta_gay_man_who_is_now_an_alpha/ I am a former beta gay man who is now an alpha. Although I'm not trying to date women, I have still been adversely affected by the feminization of men.] by growth_kills_nature, ''The Red Pill'' at ''Reddit'' (archived from January 6, 2014).</ref><ref name="hate" />}}
MRAs are known to exploit the stories of male rape victims for their own agenda of [[Bullshit|proving]] that men are the really oppressed ones.<ref>[http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1666-5-awful-realities-being-man-who-was-raped-by-woman_p2.html 5 Bizarre Realities of Being a Man Who Was Raped by a Woman] by Amanda Mannen (January 30, 2015) ''Cracked''.</ref> They lure insecure men into their movement.<ref name="hate">[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/ 5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement] by J. F. Sargent (June 03, 2014) ''Cracked''.</ref> In the MRA movement, there exists a [[Homophobe|known hatred]] for [[gay]] men.<ref name="hate" />

==2014 Isla Vista killings==
{{Main|2014 Isla Vista killings}}
On May 23, 2014, in Isla Vista, [[California]], near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, Elliot Rodger, a 22-year old student, went on a misogyny-fueled killing spree, murdering 2 women and 4 men, wounding 13, and finally committing suicide when confronted by the police.<ref>[http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths Deadly California rampage: Chilling video, but no match for reality] by Ralph Ellis & Sara Sidner (Updated 0233 GMT, May 28, 2014) ''CNN''.</ref> Before the murders, Rodger had posted a series of YouTube videos and a 140-page manifesto detailing his wishes of violent retribution against women and society for their perceived slights against him (consisting mainly of not engaging in a sexual relationship with him). He also had a history of making posts in the same spirit on various Internet forums, most notably on r/ForeverAlone and PUAHate, forums for bashing [[pick-up artist]]s but populated mainly by self-identified "incels" ("involuntarily celibate") and other malcontents that was taken down as soon as the connection started to gain publicity.

Parts of the media and various feminists pointed out the sexist angle, some referring to Rodger as an MRA. Various MRA sites and personalities switched into full defensive mode, dismissing any possible connection between Rodger's ideas and their rhetoric,<ref group="note">He was technically an [[incel]], which doesn't necessarily make him an MRA, but there is some amount of overlap.</ref> and going on the offense, [[Poisoning the well|decrying the "politicization" of the murders by feminists]]. Many went as far as to claim that the murders were entirely attributable to mental illness (no one ''anywhere'' actually disputed the relevance of his mental health issues) and had nothing whatsoever to do with his rather obvious misogyny. ([[NRA|Sound familiar]]?) A particularly odious form is the claim that because Rodger killed more men than women (his 3 roommates and a random person on the street) or any men at all, this couldn't have been motivated by misogyny. In addition to playing "[[no true Scotsman|no true misogynist]]," this also [[cherry picking|conveniently ignores]] a pile of evidence &mdash; the contents of his videos and his manifesto and his unsuccessful attempt to enter a sorority house, which he followed immediately by shooting three women outside, only one survived. If he had managed to enter, the body count would be very different.

==Roy Den Hollander==
Roy Den Hollander was a self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer and men's rights activist known for filing many frivolous lawsuits targeting, among other things, Women's Studies programs at colleges, and "ladies' nights" at bars. He also maintained a website documenting his lawsuits, and writing articles chock full of [[misogyny]], [[antifeminism]], and liberal use of the term [[Antifeminism#.22Feminazism.22|"Feminazi"]] (capitalized, of course, so you know that this ''[[ad hominem]]'' is Really Important).<ref>[http://archive.ph/VUsMY "Copyrighted Articles by Roy Den Hollander"], Roydenhollander.com, archived on 2020 July 20</ref> On 19 July 2020, Hollander killed the son and wounded the husband of United States federal Judge Esther Salas at the Salas home in New Jersey. Hollander had previously argued a case before Judge Salas challenging the Unites States' male-only military draft, and had posted vicious screeds targeting Salas on the internet. After the shooting, Hollander drove two hours away to New York and committed suicide.<ref>Nicole Hong, William K. Rashbaum and Mihir Zaveri, [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/nyregion/esther-salas.html Anti-Feminist’ Lawyer Is Suspect in Killing of Son of Federal Judge in N.J.] ''The New York Times,'' 20 July 2020.</ref><ref>Neil Vigdor, Aimee Ortiz and Kevin Armstrong, [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/nyregion/shooting-nj-judge-esther-salas.html Husband and Son of a Federal Judge Are Shot in New Jersey]. ''The New York Times,'' 19 July 2020.</ref><ref>Scott Neuman and Vanessa Romo, [https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=892923945 Anti-Feminist Suspect Dead After Son Of Federal Judge Killed, Husband Wounded]. [[NPR]], 20 July 2020.</ref> Later, Hollander was also named a suspect in a previous case concerning the murder of another "men's rights activist" attorney named {{wpl|Marc Angelucci}}, who was contesting similar lawsuits on the military draft in California (apparently the motive might be that Hollander was [[asshole|pissed off]] that he... wasn't involved with the California lawsuits?)<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/us/marc-angelucci-roy-den-hollander-killing/index.html Murder of men's rights activist linked to suspected shooter of federal judge's family, FBI confirms] by Sonia Moghe, Paul P. Murphy, and Eric Levenson (9:17 PM EDT, Wed July 22, 2020) ''CNN''.</ref>

==See also==
*[[Manosphere]]
*[[Manosphere glossary]]
*[[Anita's Law]]
*[[Men's movement]]: Woo unrelated to the above.
**"[[Men Going Their Own Way]]"
*[[Female supremacy]]: What MRAs think feminists are.
*''[[We Hunted The Mammoth]]''

==External links==
*[http://theredpillmovie.com/ The Red Pill movie] {{--}} a Cassie Jaye documentary
*{{wpl|Masculinism#Feminism|Masculinism|,}} as made famous by Wikipedia
*[https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/leaders-suicide-brings-attention-mens-rights-movement/ Leader's Suicide Brings Attention to Men's Rights Movement], [[Southern Poverty Law Center]]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20110311212639/http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-guy-talk-how-mens-rights-activists-get-feminism-wrong/ How Men's Rights activists get feminism wrong]
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20120613220820/http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/06/10/all-hail-the-matriarchy-and-a-note-to-the-dudebros/ All Hail the Matriarchy, And a Note to the Dudebros], Feministe
*[http://en.wikimannia.org/Main_Page The MRAs have a wiki. Goat help us.]
*[http://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/you-literally-wont-believe-these-mind-blowing-simple-statistics-and-how-wrong-people-are-about-them/ You Literally Won’t Believe These Mind-Blowing Simple Statistics… And How Wrong People Are About Them] {{--}} A look at misinterpreted statistics used by Men’s Rights Activists. Warning, stupidity in comments.
*[https://soundcloud.com/quietuus/deconstruct-the-female Deconstruct the Female] {{--}} a dramatic reading of an MRA tract

==Notes==
{{reflist|2|group=note|80%}}

==References==
{{reflist|2|80%}}

[[Category:Alt-lite]]
[[Category:Ableism]]
[[Category:Antifeminism]]
[[Category:Homophobia]]
[[Category:Identity politics]]
[[Category:Internet kooks]]
[[Category:Machismo]]
[[Category:Men's rights movement| ]]
[[Category:Misnomers]]
[[Category:Pissed at us]]
[[Category:Political movements]]
[[Category:Pseudoscience]]
[[Category:Rape culture]]
[[Category:Reverse discrimination]]
[[Category:Sexism]]
[[Category:Shysters]]

Categories: Alt-lite, Ableism, Antifeminism, Homophobia, Identity politics, Internet kooks, Machismo, Men's rights movement, Misnomers, Pissed at us, Political movements, Pseudoscience, Rape culture, Reverse discrimination, Sexism, Shysters