Jason Lisle

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'''Jason P. Lisle''' was previously Director of Research at the [[Institute for Creation Research]], as well as a speaker and researcher for [[Answers in Genesis]].<ref><capture>[http://www.icr.org/article/6734/ Introducing ICR's New Director of Research: Jason Lisle, Ph.D.]</capture></ref>

==Astrophysicist ''and'' creationist==
Dr. Lisle is a [[creationist]] with a Ph.D. in [[astrophysics]] from the University of Colorado Boulder. Lisle earned his undergraduate degree from Ohio Wesleyan University ''summa cum laude'' with a double-major in physics and astronomy and a minor in mathematics. His postgraduate research concentrated on solar dynamics, utilizing NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)<ref>[http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ NASA - Solar and Heliospheric Observatory]</ref> to monitor the surface of the [[sun]]. His dissertation "Probing the Dynamics of Solar Supergranulation and its Interaction with Magnetism" is available from the University of Colorado<ref>[http://creation.com/dr-jason-lisle Creation.com - Dr Jason Lisle]</ref> and he has also published numerous papers in legitimate [[peer review|scientific]] journals concerning convection cells in the sun.<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/j_lisle.asp Answers in Genesis - Dr Jason Lisle's biography]</ref>

Although some creationists claim that a creationist could not earn an advanced degree from a secular university because of institutional prejudice against their beliefs,<ref>See ''[[Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed]].''</ref> Lisle's creationism failed to hinder his academic progress. While members of his Master's thesis and Ph.D. dissertation committees might have been aware of his [[YEC|young Earth]] beliefs, their evaluation of his work was based on his research and not on his personal beliefs.<ref name="csharp">Christopher M. Sharp, [https://archive.is/O2JXj Jason Lisle's Visit to Tucson.] Archived from the original at csharp.com, 2005.</ref>

==Creationism and starlight==
Given his qualifications in astrophysics, Lisle has become an authority on the "[[starlight problem]]" in creationist circles. 

However, his explanation for how distant starlight is compatible with [[Creation Week|a 6 day creation]] only a few thousand years ago is very, very weak. It essentially consists of immediately throwing out the conventional science just because it [[Biblical inerrancy|conflicts with scripture]] and then proposing that "creation was supernatural, therefore cannot be understood scientifically".<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8_RSmhP5KA YouTube - Dr. Jason Lisle- The Distant Starlight Mystery]</ref> Most of Lisle's points just begin with the claim that the [[Bible]] must be true, cannot change and so can explain everything<ref>[http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=81796 Theology Web - When astrophysicists go bad: Jason Lisle]</ref> and he's no stranger to wall-bangingly [[circular logic]].<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/atheism-irrational Jason Lisle - Atheism: An Irrational Worldview, ''Answers in Genesis'' (2007)]</ref> It shouldn't need to be stated that this is the opposite of what a good scientist should do. While he may be a published and qualified scientist, the remarks he makes regarding creationism aren't actually very scientific. Indeed, for AiG to use him as a leading scientist is practically a sham, as it leads their audiences to think that his ideas — which aren't really his ideas, just the same old tired arguments — automatically have credibility due to his real PhD. Although he has done research with genuine merit into the sun's heliosphere, Lisle has yet to perform, let alone publish, credible work into starlight or creationism.

===ARJ paper===
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In July 2010, Lisle announced that he was working on a research paper that would be published in the ''[[Answers Research Journal]]'', a [[creation science]] journal controlled by Answers in Genesis.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20110908043320/http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/jason-lisle/2010/07/08/research-at-answers-in-genesis/ AiG Blogs - Research at Answers in Genesis]</ref> He claimed that this paper would fully solve the starlight problem, and that publishing it in a [[peer review]]ed journal would make it legitimate. However, considering he is publishing in the ''ARJ'' and not ''Science'' or ''[[Nature (journal)|Nature]]'' where such Earth-shattering revelations about physics belong (although Lisle denies this should be the case), some might suspect his "idea" isn't up to much. And an "idea" it is, as Lisle has admitted that he is just using "research that has already been published in secular journals" — quite a backtrack from his earlier blog posts that seemed to indicate that he was actually doing original research himself. Lisle responded to the "pre-publishing" critics (hilariously overusing the word "embarrassing", and never really naming any critics specifically) by basically saying people should have an [[open mind]] until they read the paper.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20110225165308/http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/jason-lisle/2010/07/23/pride-and-prejudice/ AiG Blogs - Pride and prejudice]</ref> Despite pimping and hyping his publication on the AiG blog, he was noncommittal to the idea of a "non-technical writeup".

==Further comments ==

{{cquote|I have known [[Ken Ham]] for many years and have never heard him say or seen him write anything that is contrary to any fact that has been established by the [[scientific method]].|||Jason Lisle<ref>Jason Lisle, [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/false-history-creationism-full-beans/ False History of Creationism Is Full of Beans]. Answers in Genesis, 22 December 2020.</ref>}}

Lisle is clearly a smart guy who knows a bit more than most creationists, particularly about space. He is a confident speaker and quite passionate about science education when he isn't trying to replace science textbooks with the Bible.

However, some of the points put into his essays and talks - to highlight perceived problems in "secular" theories - have been considered as highly misrepresented, or even non-existent. Some of them are, in fact, well known [[Creationist Argument Bingo|creationist arguments]] rehashed by someone who, frankly, should damn well know better.

Torn between the worlds of [[science]] and [[Biblical literalism]], Lisle mostly ends up [[shoehorning]] various random points into an ''[[ad hoc]]'' framework of [[bullshit]] that supports a recent creation regardless of what his scientific training must be screaming at him on a daily basis. A summary of some of Lisle's dumber points are outlined below.<ref name="csharp" />

#'''Earth’s magnetic field is decaying''' - This is a well known creationist argument. The dipole component of the Earth’s [[Evidence_against_a_recent_creation#Geomagnetic_reversals|magnetic field]] is indeed decreasing, but other components are not necessarily decreasing. The magnetic field is due to a dynamo effect in the [[Earth]] interior, and has fluctuated and changed polarity many times in the geological past. It's been decreasing for millennia, in anticipation of a [[geomagnetic reversal]]<ref>[http://theconversation.com/does-an-anomaly-in-the-earths-magnetic-field-portend-a-coming-pole-reversal-47528 Does an anomaly in the Earth’s magnetic field portend a coming pole reversal?] theconversation.com, 5 February 2017.</ref> — which will bring the field back up to full strength again, albeit with different poles.
#'''Recession of the [[Moon]]''' - He is making uniformitarian assumptions about its recession rate, and conveniently did not mention other lunar processes. However, he did mention that the creationist dust on the Moon argument should not be used.
#Most of the '''150''' (then) '''known extra-solar planets''' are more massive than Jupiter and close to their parent star, quite different to the solar system - This is simply because we can detect such [[planet]]s much more easily than lower mass planets in longer period orbits. How many planets which are similar to our own in existence is still unclear. Until recently, creationists denied that extra-solar planets even existed.<ref>"There is no observational evidence even of any planets outside the solar system..." [http://books.google.com/books?ei=hdfGTci4D8GcgQeEv_zLBA&ct=result&id=Ec0PAQAAIAAJ&dq=henry+morris%2C+gary+parker+what+is+creation+science%3F&q=planets#search_anchor Gary Parker and Henry Morris.  ''What Is Creation Science?'']</ref> (The book this statement was taken from was written in 1982 before extra-solar planets were discovered.)
#'''[[Deep time]]''' is apparently a "false god"<ref>[https://archive.is/vDZ2T Deep Time – the god of our Age]. Archived from the original at jasonlisle.com, 9 November 2012.</ref> (unlike [[Yahweh]], who is ''totally'' real).

==See also==
*[[Argument from authority]]
*[[Evidence against a recent creation]]
*[[Christian science]]

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