The Final Experiment

{{Astronomy}}
'''The Final Experiment''' ('''TFE''') was an expedition to Union Glacier, [[Antarctica]], that was held between December 14th and 17th, 2024. Its goal was to bring consensus among [[flat Earth]] proponents and sane people, about the true shape of the [[Earth]].

==A decisive incompatibility between the flerf and globe models==

[[File:Tfe overview.jpg|thumb|right|In the flat Earth model, the Sun never stops orbiting above the area shaded red. Thus, on places like Union Glacier, [[Antarctica]], the Sun will never circle around the observation point, or shine from the directions shaded purple. Instead, to someone standing at the Union Glacier while facing north, the [https://youtu.be/uexZbunD7Jg?feature=shared&t=81 Sun's purported orbit] will resemble it taking a massive [https://youtu.be/AqkChyY8j64?feature=shared&t=91 chain carousel] ride. The flat Earth model also states that sunlight only travels a limited distance, and thus, that the Sun will not be visible for 24 hours. For this reason, a 24 hour Sun circling around the observation point on Antarctica completely destroys the flat Earth model.]]

{{cquote|If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the [[Sun]], the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. […] The establishment claims the Midnight Sun IS experienced in Antarctica but they conveniently do not have any uncut videos showing this, nor do they allow independent explorers to travel to Antarctica during the winter solstice to verify or refute these claims.|||Flat Earther [[Eric Dubay]] (signing the flat Earth death sentence without knowing it) in his 56th and 57th "proof" for "Earth is not a Spinning Ball" (2015).<ref>[https://flatearth.ws/eric-dubay#midnight_sun_56-59 Rebuttals to Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs Earth is not a Spinning Ball” Midnight Sun (56) – FlatEarth.ws]</ref> }}

Due to Earth's axis tilt, the daytime length changes for different seasons and in the polar regions the Sun is completely visible for a whole day. This phenomenon called {{wpl|midnight sun}} can be seen during the summer solstice at the north pole and during the winter solstice at the south pole. Close locations to the poles have also long periods of sunlight (for example, in Ushuaia, the world's southernmost city, there are 17 hours of sunlight during the solstice).<ref>https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/argentina/ushuaia?month=12#:~:text=The%20December%20solstice%20(summer%20solstice,year%20is%20around%20this%20date.</ref> Since there's only one pole on the flat Earth model and Antarctica is basically an ice wall (presumably protected by white walkers…), a 24 hour Sun in Antarctica during December pretty much debunks the closest thing flerfs have ever come to a unified model (that explains seasons, day/night cycle, daylight variations etc).

So, for years, flat Earthers like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q&t=116s Eric Dubay], [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=761 Flat Earth Dave], [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=775 Nathan Oakley], [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=724 Jeran Campanella], and [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=752 Austin Whitsitt] have preached the supposed nonexistence of midnight Sun in Antarctica. The flat Earthers have also [https://youtu.be/J7RwAcL4Iq0?feature=shared&t=3514 called] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ7Jel62js every] [https://youtu.be/BgZa9oZDN5g?feature=shared&t=53 single] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3IbYcELDw time-lapse] proving the Antarctic midnight Sun that they've seen, fake. E.g. here's [https://youtu.be/J7RwAcL4Iq0?si=yhlgbNBi58VyTl5r&t=12498 Eric Dubay] doing that.

Since this is an easily verifiable claim and travel to the Antarctic regions is accessible, it has been proposed that flat Earthers go there and prove their claim. Many have expressed their desire to go, including [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClJlarfyhE&t=730s Mark Sargent], [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=443 Eric Dubay] ([https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=1993 twice]), [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=2520 Nathan Oakley], [https://youtu.be/XjFLYcL_pSQ?feature=shared&t=198 David Weiss], [https://youtu.be/r-tFRn7SO3k?feature=shared&t=291 Dean Odle], and [https://youtu.be/cLHTe_ORjLc?feature=shared&t=1637 Alex Stein], but as an [[escape hatch]], they've often said:

== But you can't go there!==

[[File:Daniel Burton at the South Pole.jpg|thumb|{{wpl|Daniel Burton||,}} paid [[shill]] and first person to bicycle from the coast of Antarctica to the pole.]]

{{cquote|Each observer […] shall have complete freedom of access at any time to any or all areas of Antarctica.|||Article VII, Paragraph 2 of the {{wpl|Antarctic Treaty}}}}

This argument is used by many flat earthers (e.g. [https://youtu.be/J7RwAcL4Iq0?si=s5_WGP8q20hbBN4b&t=10593 Eric Dubay]) as "proof" that [[Antarctica]] surrounds the Earth, and that the 
[[Powers that be]]
, 
[[Illuminati]]
, 
[[New World Order]]
 bad government people don't want us to know about it.<ref>[https://aplanetruth.info/2016/11/16/antarctic-circle-travel-ban-enacted-why-what-is-going-on-around-us/ Antarctic Circle Travel Ban Enacted. Why? What is going on Around Us] (November 16, 2016) ''Aplanetruth.info''.</ref> And once again, it relies on [[circular logic]].

In reality, this is downright false: travel is not banned to Antarctica, and there are even commercial cruise ships that travel there,<ref>[http://www.intrepidtravel.com/us/antarctica the totally awesome cool groovy and worth checking out Intrepidtravel travel website is not at all sponsored by us]</ref> and people travel by land across Antarctica surprisingly frequently.<ref>[https://www.wired.com/2016/02/people-cross-antarctica-all-the-time-its-still-crazy-hard/ People Cross Antarctica All the Time. It's Still Crazy Hard] by Sarah Fallon	(02.01.16 11:00 am) ''Wired''.</ref><ref>{{Cite journal |last=Splettstoesser |first=John F. |last2=Headland |first2=Robert K. |last3=Todd |first3=Frank |year=1997 |title=First circumnavigation of Antarctica by tourist ship |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/polar-record/article/abs/first-circumnavigation-of-antarctica-by-tourist-ship/D68081977879351640A035EFF2BAD2A2 |journal=Polar Record |language=en |volume=33 |issue=186 |pages=244–245 |doi=10.1017/S003224740001473X |issn=1475-3057}}</ref> So much so that there are entire [[Wikipedia]] pages about it,<ref>{{wpl|List of Antarctic expeditions}}</ref> circumnavigation world records<ref>{{Cite web |last=McLemore |first=Andrew |date=2022-06-12 |title=Australian Woman Circumnavigates Antarctica in Record Time » Explorersweb |url=https://explorersweb.com/lisa-blair-world-record-sailing-antarctica/ |access-date=2023-03-19 |website=Explorersweb}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=First circumnavigation of Antarctica in a sailboat south of the 60th parallel |url=https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/527119-first-circumnavigation-of-antarctica-in-a-sailboat-south-of-the-60th-parallel |access-date=2023-03-19 |website=Guinness World Records |language=en-gb}}</ref> and even various job application offers<ref>{{Cite web |title=The USAP Portal: Science and Support in Antarctica - Jobs and Opportunities |url=https://www.usap.gov/jobsandopportunities/ |access-date=2025-02-02 |website=www.usap.gov}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Find a job, work in Antarctica |url=https://www.coolantarctica.com/Community/find_a_job_in_antarctica.php |access-date=2025-02-02 |website=www.coolantarctica.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Jobs in Antarctica |url=https://www.bas.ac.uk/jobs/jobs-in-antarctica/ |access-date=2025-02-02 |website=British Antarctic Survey |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-12-17 |title=Application process for jobs in Antarctica |url=https://jobs.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working-in-antarctica/application-process/ |access-date=2025-02-02 |website=jobs.antarctica.gov.au |language=en}}</ref> and travel websites (maybe they should book a ticket and [[Argumentum ad cellarium|leave their basements for once]]).<ref>{{Cite web |title=Antarctica Cruises: Best Price and Service Guarantee! |url=https://www.antarcticacruise.com |access-date=2023-03-19 |website=www.antarcticacruise.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Antarctica Adventure Cruises |url=https://www.liveaboard.com/cruise/antarctica |access-date=2023-03-19 |website=Liveaboard.com |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Antarctica Cruise Deals {{!}} Check Our Top 10 Expeditions |url=https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/es/antarctica |access-date=2023-03-19 |website=oceanwide-expeditions.com |language=es}}</ref> 

Flat Earthers often claim the {{wpl|Antarctic Treaty System}} prevents regular people from entering,{{efn|"[https://flatearth.ws/antarctic-treaty Nowhere in the treaty is stated that regular people are not allowed to enter Antarctica]".}} often by military force,{{efn|The literal first article say "[https://documents.ats.aq/keydocs/vol_1/vol1_2_AT_Antarctic_Treaty_e.pdf Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia, any measures of a military nature]" for crying out loud!}} thus proving that they have never actually read the treaty. Some often complain by showing news articles of people getting arrested while trying to get to Antarctica. What flat earthers forget is that while the treaty does not prevent tourists "they do require an appropriate permit from a Treaty Party" (which are around 56 countries in 2023).<ref>{{Cite web |date=2023-08-17 |title=Visiting Antarctica |url=https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visits-to-antarctica-how-to-apply-for-a-permit |access-date=2023-08-23 |website=GOV.UK |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=The Antarctic Treaty Explained |url=https://www.bas.ac.uk/about/antarctica/the-antarctic-treaty/the-antarctic-treaty-explained/ |access-date=2023-08-23 |website=British Antarctic Survey |language=en-GB}}</ref> [[Undocumented immigration| Who knew that one would need proper documentation for traveling to or living in a foreign place, right?]] [[U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement|Let's try crossing the US border without a visa and see what happens!]]

Another claim is that no airlines go through Antarctica. {{wpl|Polar route#Antarctica|This is also a lie|.}} The reason flights cross the Arctic more often than Antarctica is because the latter almost doesn't have infrastructure in case of an accident (the closest countries are [[South Africa]], [[Australia]], [[New Zealand]], [[Chile]] and [[Argentina]], which are thousands of kilometres away).<ref>See {{wpl|ETOPS}}.</ref> Also most of the world's population lives in the northern hemisphere, so it would be very expensive and impractical for airlines to do so.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Antarctica, Military, Illegal Visits, Airline Fly-Overs, Hidden Secrets |url=https://www.coolantarctica.com/Community/antarctic-military-activity.php |access-date=2023-08-23 |website=www.coolantarctica.com}}</ref>{{efn|The remoteness of the poles and the very low temperatures means that special equipment and protocols are required for such things as rescue plans, communications, and the potential of jet fuel to freeze.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20140825085813/http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_16/polar_route_ops.pdf "Polar Route Operations",] Boeing Aero magazine, Quarter 4 2001, page 11-21, archived on 2001 November 16</ref>}}

===But boats who try to go to Antarctica get turned! They're hiding something!===

A [https://youtu.be/J7RwAcL4Iq0?si=JFNeaVbuvWyoTVJo&t=14844 video clip] in Dubay's illustrated audiobook shows a tiny, tiny fishing boat outside the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) of Australia (24 nautical miles or 44.45 km away from the coast) that gets told by a navy boat. Dubay tries to imply the fishing boat was on its way to Antarctica.

Firstly, those guys were at [https://www.google.com/maps?q=-38.216389,148.483056 38°12'59"S 148°28'59"E], which isn't even past the latitude of the southern tip of Australia's mainland. The distance to Antarctica from their position was 3080 km (1910 miles).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuRjM280wsU&ab_channel=SwaaallaGE Boat stoped by Australian Navy. THE FACTS]</ref> If the navy could stop travel anywhere beyond that latitude, that'd make travel to Tasmania and New Zealand impossible. Secondly, even properly dressed, equipped, and supplied expeditions have {{wpl|Category:Antarctic expedition deaths|frozen to death in Antarctica|.}} An attempt with a tiny boat like that with no specialized gear would've meant certain death: the {{wpl|Antarctic Circumpolar Current}} causes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9nv1jpghY insane waves]. And thirdly, those guys even admitted in their original video description that "we've traversed 100's of times before" in that area. So much for the top notch security of the powers to be for their new frozen [[Area 51]]...<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLeWoHzZnY&ab_channel=YouFishTV WARSHIP DESTROYER INTERCEPTS FISHING BOAT]</ref>

==The expedition==

In 2024, pastor Will Duffy proposed "[https://www.the-final-experiment.com/ The Final Experiment]" in which he offered a free trip to Antarctica to one flat earther (later, two), and one flat earth debunker.

His idea was simple, to have both Flat earthers and the grift's debunkers go to Antarctica during southern {{wpl|Polar_night|polar night|,}} to see if the Sun was actually up for 24 hours, and have both parties independently document the observation in an undeniable way.

==The invitees==

The invited Flat Earthers were David Weiss, Eric Dubay, Jeran Campanella, Mark Sargent, Odd TV, Nathan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx_XV02Oec&t=262s 'child beater'] Oakley, Austin Whitsitt, Dave Murphy, Tanner Stewart, Matt Long, Flatzoid, Taboo Conspiracy, Eddie Bravo, Santos Bonacci, Kaleb FE, Beyond The Imaginary Curve, Sean Griffin, Scott Manley, Ken Heidebrecht, Sean Hibbeler, Robbie Davidson, Darryle Marble, Bryce Mitchell, and Globebusters.

The invited Flat earth debunkers were SciManDan, [[Dave Farina]], Dave McKeegan, Michael Toon, The Creaky Blinder, Craig McNeill, Wolfie6020, Red's Rhetoric, Globey McGlobeface, Globemann, Bob the Science Guy, Mr. Sensible, [[Professor Stick]], Astrokobi, Michael Jones, Chuck Nice, Mike Winger, Scott Manley, [[Mick West]], Dr. Blitz, Planarwalk, [[Danny Faulkner]], Ruslan Karaoglanov, and Whereswally. 

Many globe earth proponents accepted Duffy's proposal. Dave McKeegan and Mark Herman received a free trip, and CriticalThink, Michael Toon crowdfunded their tickets and paid roughly 12 and 8 thousand dollars respectively out of their own pockets. GlobeyMcGlobeface, George Demitropoulos, and Jay Baanvast also started their own crowdfunding campaigns but didn't raise enough money in time.

On the flipside, almost every notable flat earther (David Weiss, [[Eric Dubay]], Mark Sargent, Nathan Oakley, Dean Odle, and Volker Meyer) [https://www.the-final-experiment.com/antarctica-bound chickened out].<ref>Professor Dave Explains. "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLHTe_ORjLc&t Flat Earthers are Desperately Dodging a Free Trip to Antarctica]"</ref> 

Flatzoid would later [https://youtu.be/psKNPu2AP9I?feature=shared&t=213 claim] he was not invited, so, [https://youtu.be/psKNPu2AP9I?feature=shared&t=449 here's a video of him admitting he was invited]. He also complained about not receiving an invitation via email, and after having been pointed out that he didn't have his email listed on his YouTube channel, he added it there later to cover up the inconsistency, and [https://youtu.be/psKNPu2AP9I?feature=shared&t=824 got caught].

== The golden ticket scam ==

As no flerfs were willing to claim their free trip, Duffy [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Qu_sumC-w announced] that a wealthy benefactor had offered to pay the trip to any not-yet invited flerf, who verifiably had been in the [[cult]] for at least two years. The candidates for the draft were Brian Leake, Cassidy, Chris Crumb, Jeff Schmidt, Josh Monday Christian, Lisbeth Acosta, Rizlawdon, Shauna Salzetti, Trent,{{efn|No, not that [[:User:Tmtoulouse|Trent]].}} and Wynand. The [https://www.youtube.com/live/eOILlReNtqI?feature=shared&t=2780 winner was Lisbeth Acosta].

However, the benefactor, going by the [[pseudonym]] Bharti Rajput, disappeared, and thus [https://youtu.be/_Y24D2gSGuQ?feature=shared&t=33 turned out to be a scammer]. The scammer [https://youtu.be/LWU336-kfSM?feature=shared&t=183 had also tried to] appear as someone who would pay the flat Earther [https://www.flerf.info/index.php/CC_From_Westchester_County CC] to go to Antarctica. Later, the [[scam]]mer [https://youtu.be/LWU336-kfSM?feature=shared&t=426 outed himself on Flatzoid's live show], under the pseudonym ''Flat Earth philosopher''. The scammer's identity was later [https://youtu.be/LWU336-kfSM?feature=shared&t=1085 traced to the flat earther Arpit Sharma].

As a response, Duffy organized a [https://www.gofundme.com/f/send-lisbeth-acosta-to-antarctica Gofundme for Acosta's ticket], and raised 7,242 USD. A benefactor named John Bolton{{efn|Very unlikely to be that [[John Bolton]].}} [https://youtu.be/nsg4ebTFAWc?feature=shared&t=310 offered to pay the rest of Acosta's ticket].

== The travel ==

During The Final Experiment in December 2024, three flat Earthers (Jeran Campanella, Austin Whitsitt, and Lisbeth Acosta), three flat earth scam debunkers (Dave McKeegan, Michael Toon, and Critical Think), and Mark Herman ([[Candace Owens]]' director), traveled to Antarctica.

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== The primary experiment ==

The primary experiment was to record the 24 hour Sun, which the team did, thrice.

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== The secondary experiments ==

During The Final Experiment, an [[Australian]] flerf debunker going by the pseudonym Critical Think, performed an experiment where he calibrated a precision scale in Brisbane, Australia, and measured his set of weights to weigh 1000.01 grams. He then predicted the scale reading with the same weights to be 1003.80g grams at Union Glacier Antarctica.<ref>CriticalThink (Nov. 24, 2024). [https://youtu.be/SfLeCsZZvTc?feature=shared&t=882 'The Final Experiment Preparation - Test Run #1']. Via YouTube.</ref> Once there, he performed the measurement and got the reading of 1003.82g.<ref>CriticalThink (Dec. 16, 2024). [https://www.youtube.com/live/rYY_KtSvG-4?feature=shared&t=40 'Critical Think takes weight measurements at Union Glacier']. Via YouTube</ref> Upon return from Antarctica, back in Brisbane, the scale measured the weights to weigh 1000.02g.<ref>CriticalThink (Dec. 24, 2024). [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cHPcupZYYpA "Calibration check on return from The Final Experiment in Antarctica"]. Via YouTube.</ref> To make the values easier to compare, here they are in a table form:
{| class="wikitable"
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! Location !! Measurement (grams)
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| Brisbane (calibration) || 1000.01
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| Union Glacier (prediction) || 1003.80
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| Union Glacier (measurement) || 1003.82
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| Brisbane (calibration check) || 1000.02
|}

This means the gravitational constant is '''2.8✕10<sup>-6</sup> m/s²''' larger in Union Glacier. This result proves the Earth's gravity is not explained by [https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration the flerfs' idea that the Earth is flat disk accelerating upwards at constant rate]. Were that the case, all parts of Earth would have to accelerate at same rate to avoid tearing the Earth apart. Critical Think thus proved the Earth is a globe.

== The bitching and whining ==

To the surprise of no one, flat Earth grifters immediately grasped for straws trying to debunk the TFE videos. Some have done an about-turn and claimed the Antarctic midnight sun proves nothing or even proves a flat Earth! Thus retracting all these years of denial.<ref>Professor Dave Explains. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsETzrRr3is&ab_channel=ProfessorDaveExplains Flat Earthers are Having a Meltdown Over the Antarctica Trip and 24-Hour Sun]</ref> Here are their arguments debunked:

==="Time-lapse is a series of images, not a video!"===

What is the definition of video, if not "a series of images"? Anyway. Here are the real-time videos:

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And here are some more:

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''Enjoy!''

==="The video is from Greenland!"===

The distance from Punta Arenas, Chile, to 800km inland of [[Greenland]], is 13,574km. Covering that in three hours would mean the plane flew at 4524.7 km/h, which is more than twice the cruising speed of the {{wpl|Concorde|Concorde|.}} How did a {{wpl|Boeing_757|Boeing 757}} [https://antarctic-logistics.com/services/air-transport/ ALE uses] fly to Greenland over five times its normal cruising speed of 858 km/h? How did Greenland—that's in the north—have a 24-hour Sun during December?

==="The video is from the northern hemisphere from June!"===

Then why is the Sun going counter-clockwise? Why are there mountains when there are none in the Arctic? How would it have been streamed live if it had taken place in June?

==="The video is reversed!"===

Then why are footprints appearing in, and not disappearing from, the snow as the videos progress?

==="The video was recorded inside a studio!"===

Given that there are videos from the scene

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...[https://www.youtube.com/live/d_LNSbStu9c?feature=shared&t=3019 live streamed with 360° pan]...

...[https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=7111 showing a skiier hundreds of meters away pass the expedition]...

...[https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=7856 showing the participants take a scenic flight over the camp on a Twin Otter]...

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{{collapse|...and shot with a drone climbing up to 4,921 ft (1,500 meters) height...|width=500}}
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one must ask: where, and how big is the studio?

==="The studio set used a green screen!"===

[[File:Chroma key debunk.jpg|thumb|Comparison between a mockup of what would have proven filming in a studio with chroma key (above), and what was actually filmed (below). ]]

The mishap of Will Duffy forgetting his home studio chroma key setting on his camera<ref>Duffy, Will (Dec. 15, 2024). [https://www.youtube.com/live/d_LNSbStu9c?si=8qPm9gIDjzy1KKZj&t=2543 "It's Midnight in Antarctica!"]. Via YouTube.</ref> actually showed there was no green screen. This is because what appeared on the clothing was the TFE logo. If a green screen had been in use to create an Antarctic background, the Antarctic scenery would instead have appeared on the green section of clothing, and not the TFE logo.

The crew followed with a live stream where they displayed green objects while wearing blue clothes,<ref>Duffy, Will (Dec. 15, 2024). [https://www.youtube.com/live/E1vXwAT6P5k?si=WJ5RKmqCzJBpXI6t&t=277 "There Are No Green Screens in Antarctica (Here's Proof!)"]. Via YouTube.</ref> proving no chroma key was used.

This claim was so embarrassingly stupid, even Flat Earth Dave swapped teams for a minute to [https://youtu.be/dEc86p1vgLM?feature=shared&t=629 debunk it], by saying "''They're clearly in Antarctica''", and "''It's clearly just an issue. Will Duffy is using his same phone, or computer, that he uses for his live streams, and he has it set with green screen filter on. […] Anyone who's made a video with that on there. Take it down. Redo it. Say something else. Be intelligent.''"

==="The studio set used Unreal Engine 5 with ray-tracing to render the scene!"===

This claim comes from Flatzoid, and is debunked by Dave McKeegan in the video below:

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==="The studio set used a Mandalorian style LED wall!"===

Just [https://youtu.be/Ufp8weYYDE8?feature=shared&t=143 see for yourself] how well the LED walls produce shadows to humans on the stage. Now imagine something like that being used during the live streams. There would've been no sharp shadows at all. [https://www.youtube.com/live/E1vXwAT6P5k?feature=shared&t=819 And yet].

==="The studio set used spotlight to create the sharp shadows!"===

Which studio light allows [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=10722 setting paper on fire with a magnifying glass]?

==="The studio set used fake snow that doesn't leave footprints!"===

Some areas have compacted snow with a frozen crust that can be hard to step on, so you can walk on without breaking through it. In fact, the snow was intentionally compacted to make it easy to walk and run on. This can also be seen from the [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=67 Antarctic Ice Marathon 2024 footage], that took place at Union Glacier on December 13, 2024.

Many other areas that aren't as well compacted, show footprints visible. The timelapses above show footprints appearing, and the [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=97 Marathon footage] shows soft snow and lots of footprints in the trail.

[[Hollywood]] has had [https://youtu.be/eBa2Mm-nP50?feature=shared&t=8 soft artificial snow where footprints can be made] for almost 80 years. If this really happened in a studio and soft snow was expected, why didn't the Illuminati fake it? 

Also, why not use real snow? Why didn't the budget of 'them', who have literally one job, allocate real snow? Not exactly difficult or expensive thing to come-by, given that the flat earth model implies it's below 0°C at the Ice Wall. The Ice Wall is probably in a place where it snows, as "''Perennial ice on land originates from compaction and recrystallization of snow and other forms of precipitation under the weight of successive layers that have accumulated year after year''."<ref>Encyclopedia Britannica [https://www.britannica.com/science/ice-formation "ice formation"]. Via britannica.com.</ref> Ski resorts even [https://youtu.be/_9uceny1GME?feature=shared&t=91 make real snow from real water]. So why use poor quality, rigid, fake snow that reveals the global [[conspiracy]]?

Finally, here's some videos that show real-time imprints in snow from [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=9122 shoes], [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=13566 shoes], [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=13825 toe tapping shoes], [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=13954 mountain bike wheels], [https://www.youtube.com/live/NjTegLsl6lQ?feature=shared&t=1308 shoes], and [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=14739 more shoes].

==="The studio set had no audible or visible wind!"===

This hogwash [https://youtu.be/R6RMwROKJOs?feature=shared&t=375 comes from Eric Dubay].

The day was calm, but at times, the wind was [https://youtu.be/MG1zVAy-OcE?feature=shared&t=895 audible], [https://youtu.be/MG1zVAy-OcE?feature=shared&t=939 '''really audible'''], [https://youtu.be/MG1zVAy-OcE?feature=shared&t=1075 visible], [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=3983 audible and visible], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGeIDli4MA&t=13518 audible and visible], [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=15876 audible and visible], [https://youtu.be/Mp4E2PQLUgg?feature=shared&t=1301 audible and visible], [https://youtu.be/95P8urNDzDQ?feature=shared&t=11912 audible and visible], and [https://youtu.be/qbQJx9T5_WU?feature=shared&t=21099 audible and visible].

The Marathon footage also shows [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=168 flags] [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=307 waving] gently in the wind.

==="The studio set was not cold because breath isn't visible! Whitsitt used a vape!"===

Seeing your breath has nothing to do with how cold it is but with a combination of temperature ''and'' humidity. During the southern summer, Antarctica can reach 18ºC/64ºF (especially on that sunny day) and the humidity tends to be very low due to its extreme cold and dry conditions (it's quite literally a desert). Mind you take the lighting and settings of the camera into account. In any case, there is vape-free 
[https://www.youtube.com/live/VPNmpiwl5Vs?feature=shared&t=197 footage]
[https://www.youtube.com/live/nteDLN8kX2k?feature=shared&t=306 of]
[https://www.youtube.com/live/6-Ij1lr5OKs?feature=shared&t=708 them] 
[https://www.youtube.com/live/iOYpeysawuw?feature=shared&t=5884 with] 
[https://www.youtube.com/live/paQ7nklL8X4?feature=shared&t=2740 their] 
[https://www.youtube.com/live/lOW_FTWMVV0?feature=shared&t=29 breaths] 
[https://youtu.be/4MsLg8Pjf-k?feature=shared&t=733 visible].<ref>Dave McKeegan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MsLg8Pjf-k&ab_channel=DaveMcKeegan Does #Vapegate and 'No breath' destroy 'The Final Experiment'?]</ref>

Breath can also be seen in the [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=33 Antarctic Ice Marathon footage], [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=128 again], [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=334 again], and [https://youtu.be/PmURJKeGtRw?feature=shared&t=370 again].

The cold temperature is also evident from Campanella's GoPro lens [https://youtu.be/zMGeIDli4MA?feature=shared&t=14835 fogging up as he enters the common room tent].

PS: Yes. Whitsitt vapes... so... ''therefore it's fake?'' Y'all gonna try harder than that, flatties.

==="The studio set lighting caused shadows to point in opposite directions!"===

[[File:Shadows.png|thumb|Shadows of the camera stands appear to point in opposite directions!]]

The shadows are correct. [[Willful ignorance]] of perspective and crepuscular rays does not debunk reality.

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To prove it's just perspective, try taking a screenshot at any point in time, and draw a line in Paint from the tip of the shadow, to the center of the Sun. See how the tallest point of the person/object casting the shadow hits the line, every time.

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File:Screenshot1.jpg|A screenshot from the timelapse, showing the perspective requires shadows to point in the opposite directions.
File:Screenshot2.jpg|Another screenshot showing the the same thing.
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==="The Sun was a studio light that shined against McKeegan's Sun tracking camera's side!"===

This was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQcTpXCLv8 noticed by Flat Earth Banjo]. However, as shown by Dave McKeegan [https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?feature=shared&t=586 here], the camera mount had actually already stopped tracking the Sun at that point, and as it was automatically turning the opposite direction to untangle cords, the sunlight began to shine on the side of the camera.

==="The Sun was fake because the footage shows no parallax shift!"===

This [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-dhAvgnfzY comes from] the channel Uthink, and it was [https://www.youtube.com/live/Jjwhozj4Ld0?si=Bm79on1pka4D8aMD&t=1477 co-signed] by Flatzoid.

Here is Dave McKeegan explaining why that's bollocks:

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==="The Sun was too high at midnight!"===

Flat Earth Banjo also [https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?feature=shared&t=606 claimed] the Antarctic midnight Sun was at too high compared to Arctic midnight sun at [[Svalbard]]. However, as shown [https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?feature=shared&t=625 here], Banjoman lied about screenshot from Antarctica being from midnight, when it was in fact from mid day.

==="The Sun was a hologram, faked using multiple projectors!"===
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This insanity came from none other than David Weiss (Flat Earth Dave). He claimed this explains the apparent squishing of the Sun in the video.<ref>SciManDan (Jan. 31, 2025). [https://youtu.be/5Mcz44uN_II?feature=shared&t=229 The Most Ridiculous Flat Earth Explanation You'll Ever See]. Via YouTube.</ref> 

Just putting a lamp in the sky would consume an insane amount of power. [https://www.suncalc.org/#/-79.7694,-82.9072,14/2024.12.15/20:39/1/3 The Sun Calc] shows the amount of irradiance at Union Glacier on Dec. 15, 2024, was 657 W/m². The human face is roughly 400cm² or 0.04m², thus the Sun irradiated roughly 26W to their faces which is a sane value. The lower bound of fake Sun distance was claimed by Weiss to be 4.27 miles = 6871.89 meters. A little bit of napkin math shows such heat source would need a 390 GW power source.

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'''P = I × 4π r²'''

'''I = 657 W/m²'''

'''r = 4.27 miles = 6871.89 meters'''

'''P = 657 × 4π × (6871.89m)²'''

'''P ≈ 657 × 4π × 47222872.17m²'''

'''P ≈ 389877014365.25 W ≈ 390 GW'''

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The {{wpl|Taishan_Nuclear_Power_Plant|largest nuclear reactor}} produces 1.6GW of electricity, so the lamp would require merely 244 such nuclear reactors. 

Since obviously no lamp suspension system was visible, Weiss claimed the tech used was ''aerial/volumetric graphics'' rendered with with a focused femtosecond laser.<ref>Ochiai, Yoichi (June 22. 2015)- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoWi10YVmfE "Fairy Lights in Femtoseconds: Tangible Holographic Plasma (SIGGRAPH)"]. Via YouTube.</ref>

It's real tech and really cool, but terribly inefficient. E.g. the [https://amplitude-laser.com/products/femtosecond-lasers/lasers-for-industry/tangor-300/ Tangor 300 IR] high power femtosecond laser consumes 300W to produce a 3mJ = 0.003W ball of plasma.  The efficiency for produced light is thus roughly 0.001%, and the required input power is 100,000 times more than the output power. So you would not need 244 nuclear reactors, you would need 24,400,000 nuclear reactors to power the thing. 

The total amount of power would be 39,000,000,000 MW per second, and at bulk discount of 1USD / MWh, the cost to lie to a few nobody flerf YouTubers was mere 39,000,000,000 USD / hour, or 1,404,000,000,000 USD to fake the 36 hour Sun timelapse.

A single Taishan nuclear power plant takes roughly 48,000m² of space. 24,4 million such reactors would require 1,171,000km² of area. That's roughly the entire South Africa. Nuclear power plants employ 650 people on average, each. Operating 24.4 million nuclear power plants requires 15,860,000,000 employees. That's very close to twice as many people as there are on Earth. That would mean everyone is in on the conspiracy… twice.

Another thing to consider is, how has the cost-benefit analysis by the Illuminati planning team missed the orders of magnitude less expensive options? E.g., they could've bribed flerfs with say, billion dollars each, or for even less money, they could have just {{wpl|Enforced_disappearance|disappeared}} the flerfs into an Antarctic [[Guantanamo Bay|GITMO]], and covered the whole thing up. 

The alternative is, Weiss cut himself with [[Occam's razor]]: An Insta360 camera will cause slight distortion at its edges, as Dave McKeegan demonstrated [https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?feature=shared&t=1507 here]. Especially, the recording shows the camera [https://youtu.be/AfQcTpXCLv8?feature=shared&t=1592 also distorted mountains].

==="The Sun was a NASA Sun simulator!"===
[[File:Research-technology-cf0669-1024.jpg|thumb|The extremely portable, balloon suspendable NASA Sun simulator takes your standard AA-batteries.]]

Yes the flerfs really said that.<ref>[https://youtu.be/7aSteM6hj-M?feature=shared&t=61s NASA, ESA and the Sun Simulator in Antarctica] by Flat Earth Banjo (Jun 29, 2024) ''YouTube''. t=61s.</ref>

The extremely compact "Sun simulator" they pointed at, is the Solar Thermal Propulsion Test Facility's mirror array, and it is located in the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville Alabama.<ref>[https://earth.google.com/web/@34.63083378,-86.65725228,188.98722535a,214.23303089d,35y,170.69067407h,45.38733609t,360r/data=CgRCAggBQgIIAEoNCP___________wEQAA Marshall Spaceflight Center 4583] ''Google Earth''.</ref>

Solar thermal propulsion works by redirecting solar energy to heat a propellant. Thus, the device is not even a lamp that '''simulates''' sunlight, it's a small {{wpl|Concentrated_solar_power|solar thermal power plant|}} that '''absorbs''' sunlight.

An easy way to prove the expedition photographed the real Sun, is the sunspots of [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Z4eHCp_fTek-tZUQ290EQxOCWIlfrB8W the photos taken of the Sun at the scene] match those in [https://www.flerf.info/index.php/Sunspots photographs] taken by volunteers around the globe at the same time.

==="The Sun was merely a reflection in the firmament!"===
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File:Reflection.jpg|If the Sun visible in south from the Union Glacier was merely a reflection from the firmament, one must ask, why isn't the original Sun (that's producing the reflection) visible in the 360° recording?
File:Local sun.jpg|If on the other hand it's the one and same Sun [https://www.youtube.com/live/6-Ij1lr5OKs?feature=shared&t=2439 visible both from Union Glacier and Australia], one must ask, how can the concept of local Sun (responsible for day/night) still work? How does light travel across the world when the [https://wiki.tfes.org/Sun#Spotlight_effect flat earth model] explicitly claims it can only travel so far.
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===The Sun was the result of caustics from the firmament!===
One of Eric Dubay's videos<ref>[https://youtu.be/J7RwAcL4Iq0?feature=shared&t=14420 Flat Earth FAQ] by Eric Dubay (Feb 25, 2024) ''YouTube''.</ref> touched upon the flerfs crank application of {{wpl|Caustic_(optics)|caustics|.}} He has '''NOT''' made the claim regarding TFE, at least yet, but made this claim ten months prior. The claim is, when the light hits the dome just right, the sunlight supposedly lights up the entire Antarctic region, while keeping a section of Earth dark. This optical effect requires:
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File:Solid dome.jpg|A solid glass firmament that leaves very little room to breathe, let alone book plane tickets to Puerto Rico, or for the Sun and Moon to go about.
File:Coffee cup caustics.jpg|To create the effect, a light source on the outside, you know, where their Sun supposedly '''isn't'''.
File:Oops.jpg|A very low-flying Sun, because if you rise the flashlight just a little too high, well—oops.
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Also, as explained by Bob the Science Guy,<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqv_cxYczL4 Flat Earthers in a Panic!!!] by Bob the Science Guy (Aug 16, 2024) ''YouTube''.</ref> the coffee cup caustics would have also required not just the reflected Sun, but the original Sun to be visible on Union Glacier.

==="The Sun was a locally experienced reflection from a superfluid dome ceiling compartment!"===
[[File:Double sun.png|thumb|Dubay tried to [https://youtu.be/mp3nih7SB98?feature=shared&t=313 claim] Hanvey's crank model was proven by the double Sun mirage,<ref>[https://www.space.com/11038-china-suns-video-unexplained.html China's 'Two Suns' Video Unexplained By Science] by Natalie Wolchover (March 4, 2011) ''Space.com''..</ref> an exceptionally rare optical refraction phenomenon.]]

This crankery [https://youtu.be/27XMHOR-n4I?feature=shared&t=135 comes from Joseph Hanvey], and it was co-signed by [https://youtu.be/mp3nih7SB98?feature=shared&t=247 Eric Dubay] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0754sRsoU Mark Sargent].

Firstly, Hanvey is known for deleting his failed popcorn bowl experiments after failing to make the Sun go counter-clockwise, many (we count eleven, Will Duffy counts sixteen) times.

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Hanvey's first model<ref>[https://youtu.be/FL4uBXdmPco?feature=shared&t=303s Did This Flat Earther Solve the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica?] by The Final Experiment (Jul 26, 2024) ''YouTube''. t=303s</ref> involved a ginormous piece of solid glass in Union Glacier. The model was faulty because flashlight Sun, when rotated clockwise above the pizza-land, caused the reflection in the solid glass paper weight also to rotate clockwise, as shown on the demonstration video.<ref>[https://youtu.be/FL4uBXdmPco?feature=shared&t=653s Did This Flat Earther Solve the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica?] ''The Final Experiment'' (Jul 26, 2024) ''YouTube''. t=653s.</ref> This was originally pointed out by Jeran Campanella. Hanvey retracted his model.<ref>[https://youtu.be/FL4uBXdmPco?feature=shared&t=679s Did This Flat Earther Solve the 24-Hour Sun in Antarctica?] ''The Final Experiment'' (Jul 26, 2024) ''YouTube''. t=679s.</ref>

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/FL4uBXdmPco?feature=shared&t=770 second model] required a reflective backdrop for the transparent firmament. The flash-light Sun was outside the firmament which makes the model invalid. Also, the [https://youtu.be/FL4uBXdmPco?feature=shared&t=1039 video from inside the firmament] shows the Sun still going clockwise when viewed from below. In the Antarctica, the Sun moves from right to left. Based on critique by Duffy and others, [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=732 Hanvey deleted the video].

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=758 third model] shows the light moving again, clockwise. Hanvey deleted the video a few hours later.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=900 fourth model] had a crossed piece of tape to show a compass, and after dumbing it down for the viewer, Hanvey dimmed the room, and showed the light again moving clockwise. Few hours later, Hanvey deleted the video.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=1110 fifth model] again, had the light moving clockwise. The same model's clarification video had tape with text "To west <- From East", on the outside of the popcorn bowl, on camera's side facing the camera. *sigh* The spacial reasoning skills of flerfs really amaze sometimes, as Hanvey clearly couldn't figure out reading those texts from the inside of the bowl, would show the arrow pointing right, i.e. clockwise when observing from the surface of the pizza land. Regardless of hemisphere, facing towards North (in this case, towards the backside of the tape in question, that's on the opposite side of the dome) will have the East be towards one's extended right arm. Hanvey deleted this video too.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=1323 sixth model] had new color tape and new arrows. And it shows again the light moving clockwise. Hanvey also deleted this video.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=1494 seventh model] had new color tape and new arrows. This time, he had realized reality was wrong, because the East and West were flipped from reading direction. The camera is lying on the ground, but the light would still move clockwise if the observer would stand up. Hanvey deleted this video too.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=1771 eight model] had the flashlight inside the dome. Seeing that it had four reflections of the Sun in the firmament, Hanvey deleted this video also.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=1889 ninth model] moved the flashlight again outside the dome, had a new tape with East and West again mixed (unless he wanted to show how they point to someone inside the dome). The video again showed the light moving clockwise. He deleted the video.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=2028 tenth model] again, showed the Sun moving clockwise. Hanvey removed this video too.

Hanvey's [https://youtu.be/oq-ubzjVYbg?feature=shared&t=2208 eleventh model] replaced the dome with a sphere and claimed there was no way Sun could've moved counter-clockwise. He didn't bother turning a sphere representing the Sun clockwise and flipping the supposed Earth upside down while retaining direction of Sun. Hanvey deleted this video, too.

How goes the saying? "''Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.''"

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Hanvey's Dubay-approved [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu3z7ib039g model] uses "superfluid ceiling". How the techno-babble of zero-viscosity ceiling works as a two-way mirror gets no explanation, but apparently the sky is made of cryogenic, that is, less than {{wpl|Liquid_helium#Data|2.17 K (−270.98 °C)}} helium-4 (the alternatives would be things like helium-3 and Bose-Einstein condensate, which require even colder temperature and more explanation.) It remains unclear how that helium is not oozing from the sky, given that superfluids are the only thing in the known universe that don't care too much about containers: they just [https://youtu.be/2Z6UJbwxBZI?feature=shared&t=59 climb up the walls]. Also, given that its thermal conductivity is extremely high, how the firmament it is surrounded by is also kept at cryogenic temperatures remains another mystery. The most likely reason this special material is needed is to avoid getting too many nasty questions. I mean, how many experts on {{wpl|Condensed_matter_physics|condenced matter physics|}} do you come by in your daily life?

Anyway, as the [https://youtu.be/27XMHOR-n4I?feature=shared&t=135 video] clearly shows, Hanvey's—at this point who the fuck cares how manyth—model has the Sun also rotating clockwise. Who would've guessed.

==="The Sun was the Satan himself. He also cleared the weather!"===

This non-falsifiable brain fart [https://youtu.be/-GCVcZtJ7L8?feature=shared&t=49 comes from] pastor Dean Odle, a flerf who was invited to TFE. Funny how his imaginary sky daddy is too powerless to stop his imaginary angel of shenanigans.

{{wpl|Hitchens%27s_razor|Asserted without evidence, dismissed without evidence|.}}

==="The Sun is mirrored in the south. Use a southern hemisphere compass as northern compass shows you the mirrored motion of the Sun!"===

This crankery  [https://youtu.be/TtZzIRIj1b0?feature=shared&t=158 comes from Tomb of El-lumination].

The basic point is, a compass that makes you face the wrong direction, will cause the Sun to change its direction. This is why famously ceiling fans change the direction it spins, as you alternate between facing opposite ends of the room, and looking up from each position. Except no, wait, of course it doesn't.

Also, there is no "southern hemisphere compass" that even points in the opposite direction. The people living on the southern hemisphere will want to know which way is south as much as people on northern hemisphere. The only difference between southern hemisphere compasses is the balancing: Because the magnetic field curves to point to the magnetic poles, it [https://youtu.be/XJZ9fcsyNcw?feature=shared&t=93 causes the compass needle to tilt]. Northern hemisphere compass will have a weight on its south facing tip, and vice versa (the video shows northern hemisphere compass at Antarctica). This ensures a freely rotating needle and thus, a functional compass.

Finally, the idea that compasses are talismans that change what's observed on the sky is just as bat-shit crazy as it sounds. For the same reason, the video is the single worst offender of word salad and techno babble out there, from "[https://youtu.be/TtZzIRIj1b0?feature=shared&t=370 Earth runs on cold fusion]" to [https://youtu.be/TtZzIRIj1b0?feature=shared&t=828 "The sun becomes the hermaphrodite and full moon and the Sun mate and create spiritual children"]. How goes the saying: "''The medicine only works if you take it.''"

==="The Sun dial experiment's measurements only work on flat Earth!"===

This deep-fried meme grade, hairball of an argument was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8r4K0XEeg coughed up by Nathan Oakley].

The central point was, one can not measure the elevation angle of the Sun on a globe, and that at any point of interest on the globe, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW7YB9Nz-pk&t=3448s the Sun's elevation angle is done against flat plane]. 

Here Oakley argues the similarity of both models being able to take a plumb line, put a right-angle tool against that to get the astronomical horizon, and then measure the angle between that and the Sun, proves the Earth is flat. It simply proves neither. Similarly, just because you can put a line perpendicular to the astronomical horizon line to define the x and y axis of a plane that point intersects with Earth, and do math with it, doesn't make Earth flat.

There might be more to this, but since Oakley does not really publish videos that explain topics, only hours long discord group calls where he rehashes the same geometry memes over and over, while [https://youtu.be/NdP5L3mt5zI?feature=shared&t=1150 being an absolute fucking piece of shit], we might never know.

==="They removed their left shoe by bringing an extra boot outside, as a freemasonic ritual to reveal they consider Antarctica a holy place and to signify their solemn obligation to keep the flat Earth a secret!"===

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Yes, it's all over now. Good job flerfs. You've done it.

==="Will Duffy said lying is not immoral. Therefore TFE was a lie!"===

The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPbClm9__o circulating soundbyte] shows Duffy saying: ''So please, I beg you. We have to stop claiming that the Ten Commandments prohibit lying. That's not true. The Ten Commandments prohibit bearing false witness against your neighbor. Okay. We finally get to my conclusion on the matter of lying and deception. And that is this. After carefully looking at the both sides of the debate, and after taking a VERY deep dive into everything I could possibly find in scripture regarding lying and deception. I have come to the conclusion that neither lying or deception are inherently immoral.''

This argument is essentially "He doesn't think all lying is bad, therefore he lies about the shape of Earth.", i.e., circumstantial ad hominem. Caring about the fairy tale book that is the Bible in general is one thing, but the quote-mined part requires the '''full context'''. 

The title of Duffy's sermon was not "I can lie about anything, right?", but "''Lying and deception, are they '''always''' wrong?''" Duffy's very first argument was to criticize the notion that it's wrong to lie to save another human being. He criticized Father Pine, who had said, that lying to Nazis to protect Jews from the Nazis, was evil. Duffy then takes another example known as Kant's axe: "''If an axe wielding murderer comes to your door and he demands to know the location of your friend, then you are obligated to tell him.''"

He then makes a notion that deception can be done by not telling the whole truth, i.e. via lie by omission (a practice flerf grifters will have no trouble recognizing, as one doesn't have to go further than this very example, of quote-mining Duffy's thoughts on this very topic). For this Duffy uses an example of someone telling their ex-loved they still secretly love, that they're not _dating_ their now spouse, to keep their options open. He then argues that premeditated nature of deceit makes it worse than a lie told in a hurry, and criticizes people for thinking deceit is less wrong, all the time. Next, Duffy reads related Bible verses to show lying and deceit are not valued differently, and that both are generally condemned in the Bible. Only then, Duffy talks about the ten commandments: First, he tells he also mistook "bearing false witness" to mean all lying, and that he later realized, it actually prohibited giving false testimony. He based his reasoning on [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2019%3A16-19&version=ESV Deuteronomy 19:16-17 (ESV)].

Only after all the reasoning above, Duffy says the quote-mined section.

The very next sentence the quote-miners cut, said: "'''''If that wasn't clear. Sometimes a lie or deceit are not only necessary, but they're the right thing to do.''' I will now explain the reason that I realized throughout this process why we are still having this debate today, '''and then I will explain why lying and deception are sometimes the right choice to make'''.''" 

Duffy then notes that, if in society killing people to save lives is deemed right, then so must lying be. He then criticizes the notion that it was right for [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/memphis-police-shoot-man-who-fired-gun-margolin-hebrew-academy/ a police to shoot an armed man man who fired gun outside a Jewish school in Memphis, Tennessee], but that it's wrong to "''lie to the Nazis if they showed up at your house and asked if you're hiding Jews in the attic.''" Filtering out all these examples of protecting Jews from the Nazis really goes hand in hand with the flerfs' [[Flat_Earth#Antisemitism|Nazi sympathies]].

The next point Duffy made was that the notion of "Man has a right to the truth", can not override "man's right to life". Direct quote: "''There are circumstances where it is justified to kill someone else in order to protect yourself and in order to protect others. The 'right to truth' argument fails to recognize that lying and deception are justified in order to protect yourself and others just like killing can sometimes be.''" Duffy then shows how Bible can be quote-mined to show lying is always a sin, and to show killing is always a sin. 

Next, Duffy discussed stealing. He says that the commandment to not steal does not apply in e.g. cases where you take someone else's first aid kit to save a human life, or when you steal food to not die of hunger. Had flerfs not missed this, they probably would have also projected that it's Duffy who is a professional con artist making his money by stealing every penny he owns. 

Duffy ended with, "''And I'm sure people are now going to claim that I encourage people to lie and deceive and because Will encourages people to lie and deceive, you can't trust Will. All I can say there is this. Who I am as a person is I have to call it as I see it. That's just who I am. And this is exactly how I see it in the Bible. And to deny that, I would be lying to myself.''"

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==="It's NoT An EXpeRimEnT, MerELy aN ObSErVaTIon!"===

Yeah, Dubay [https://youtu.be/2dmo-1T7kyU&t=42 really said that].

Anyway. A scientific experiment usually means using a model to predict what will happen. To test the model, some aspect of it is expressed in a testable form, and that test is called a hypothesis. The test consists of putting some chain of events into action, and then observing and documenting the results for future peer review, publication, reproduction etc. The results of the test either support or disprove the hypothesis.

Since Dubay has himself said the chain of events, that is, how the world goes about, will [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q&t=116s never result in a 24 hour Sun in the Antarctic at any time of the year], the definitive authority in flerf crankery has finally hammered down his goalposts, which gives the experiment the power to disprove the hypothesis of his flat earth model. 

As for the chain of events, since the Sun doesn't really need a nudge to get up in the morning, the procedure is already in action, and recording the observation in the correct place, at the correct time of the year, gets the job done. As Dubay's claim was "in the Antarctic, at any time of the year", the location has been fixed, and the independent variable is time of the year. And since the claim was "at any time of the year", disproving the hypothesis requires showing a single day of the year during which there is a 24 hour Sun in the Antarctica.

Complaining TFE is just an observation, leaves out the rather tedious preliminary work of sending a 5.97×10<sup>24</sup> kilogram land mass to orbit a 1.99×10<sup>30</sup> kilogram gas giant at 107,000 km/h, at 23.5 degree axial tilt. Good thing the setup phase happened almost by coincidence, over a brief 
[[Young Earth creationism|6 day]]
 4.6×10<sup>9</sup> year time period. Almost enough time to binge watch {{wpl|Coronation_Street|Corrie|.}}

With the observation of the chain of events now being documented in nothing short of stellar fashion, the experiment has completed, and disproved Dubay's hypothesis. Dubay naturally moved the goal posts again, by [https://youtu.be/mp3nih7SB98?feature=shared&t=73 crying] about how the Sun's documented orbit outside the Flat Earth Model's orbital family supposedly doesn't tell anything about the shape of the Earth. This shows flerfs can learn. In this case, Dubay learned a basic principle of grifting: make unfalsifiable claims instead of falsifiable ones.

==="Looking at the sky can't tell you anything about the shape of the ground you stand on!"===

While trying to grasp for straws, again, flat Earthers like Dubay have accidentally shot at their foot with this assertion, because the only way to hold that claim is to admit the sky both on a flat Earth and a spherical round Earth would be indistinguishable. If it wouldn't then the sky can and DOES tell you the shape of the ground! Of course, the sky would obviously look totally different on a flat Earth and flatties know this since they have been using for years examples of celestial observations as proof (see, as example, their [[Flat_Earth_debunks_-_Stars#.22But_star_trail_photography_proves_that_the_Earth_doesn.27t_move.21.22| star trails "proof"  from the Flat Earth article]]). 

Dubay's cries after TFE were exceptionally hypocritical, given that just under fifth (39/200) of his crank "proofs" in his book "200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball!" were attempts to infer the shape of the Earth from celestial observations. Three of the claims in the book (#53, #56, and #57) were either directly contradicting TFE, or complaining about such experiment missing.

{{collapse|Dubay's 39 incorrect celestial observations to tell the shape of the ground|width=500}}

Note: Many of the debunks below are freely adopted from Dave Farina's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBfEhIJLYfY complete guide] to the Dubay's 200 crank ideas -book. The claims in bold cursive are direct quotes from the book, the bold-only claims summarize the "proof's" central thesis.

17. "'''{{wpl|Olbers%27s_paradox|Olber's Paradox|,}} means sky should be fully lit with mere "billions of stars'''". Dubay misses the point of the paradox. Due to redshift we only see a fraction of them, yet the sky is lit up with cosmic microwave background radiation.

19. "'''If the Earth revolved around the Sun, Tycho Brahe should have been be able to see stellar parallax (relative motion between stars as the earth moves).'''" This requires a telescope, but Brahe died seven years before the telescope was invented. Today, anyone can see a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdCPXlXOpE timelapse of stellar parallax].

53. "'''''The Longest summer days in the North are much longer than those in the South.'''''" Directly falsifiable, and falsified by TFE.

54. "'''''In the North dawn and dusk come slowly and last far longer than in the South where they come and go very quickly.'''''" Earth spins at constant rate, the dawn and dusk take equal amount of time. Also, flat Earth has no dawn (sun'''rise''') and dusk (sun'''set''').

55. "'''Sun's orbital speed is higher during Southern summer.'''" Measurable on the tropics, no such measurement data to prove this. 

56. "'''''If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles.'''''" Again, debunked by TFE. Also, north pole has no mountains in it, and yet we have [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGlx9stITXY timelapses showing mountains and 24 hour arctic Sun]. The actual boundary where 24 hour Sun can be seen, is the {{wpl|Polar_circle|polar circle|.}}

57. "'''''The establishment claims the Midnight Sun IS experienced in Antarctica but they conveniently do not have any uncut videos showing this'''''" Again, directly falsifiable, and falsified by TFE.

58. "'''The Sun is not visible during Southern polar night, which is impossible in the globe model.'''" Again, wrong. The axial tilt causes opposite polar circles to be lit depending on which side of the Sun the Earth is. It takes six months to get to the other side.

59. "'''''It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round.'''''" This would be the case if the Earth's axis wasn't tilted, like it isn't in Dubay's book illustration. But the axial tilt has been confirmed even by [[Flat_Earth#Bob_Knodel.27s_RLG_Experiment|flerfs themselves]], so there you go.

97. "'''We can't see, feel, or hear, or measure the Earth move in the universe'''". We [https://www.nature.com/articles/107527a0 can measure] it, we can't see ourselves move because of the frame of reference is on Earth, and flerfs automatically dismiss any photo outside of Earth as CGI. We obviously can't hear it because moving in space doesn't really have anything to make rubbing sounds.

98. "'''The distance to Polaris is between 323-434 and light years. If astronomers can't be sure of distances to stars, their theory needs re-examining.'''". Dubay doesn't understand the syntax of 323-434 meaning 323 is the new, more accurate measurement.

"'''[…] ''it is impossible for heliocentrists to explain how Polaris manages to always remain perfectly aligned'''''" Polaris is not perfectly aligned with the pole. The parallax of {{wpl|Polaris}} is 7.54±0.11 milliarcseconds. The north pole star hasn't always been Polaris. {{wpl|Thuban|Thuban,}} and {{wpl|Beta_Ursae_Minoris|Kochab}} have been the north pole star before, and {{wpl|Gamma Cephei|Gamma_Cephei}} will replace Polaris around 3230 CE, followed by {{wpl|Iota_Cephei|Iota Cephei}} in roughly 5200 CE.

99. "'''''Viewed from a ball-Earth, Polaris, situated directly over the North Pole, should not be visible anywhere in the Southern hemisphere.'''''" Polaris isn't at the pole, and atmospheric refraction is a thing. On the contrary, all stars should be visible in flat earth model, yet Polaris is invisible below 20 degrees South latitude. Also, weirdly, the flat Earth model states that local Sun exists because light can only travel so far, yet we can see the supposed stars from outside the firmament on all sides, even the lowest stars just above the horizon, but not the stars we see when we go South.

100. "'''''If Earth were a ball, the Southern Cross and other Southern constellations would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude.'''''" It is, and Dubay has to pretend it isn't because there is no one South in flat earth, i.e. the longitudinal lines never meet in the South.

101. "'''''Unlike Polaris, however, Sigma Octantis can NOT be seen simultaneously from every point along the same latitude'''''". The star isn't very bright but it can be seen with a telescope.

"'''''The direction in which stars move overhead is based on perspective and the exact direction you’re facing, not which hemisphere you are in.'''''" To swap the clock hands' direction from clockwise to counter-clockwise, the required change in perspective is walking to the other side of the clock (assuming transparent clock face), and facing it. You'll be facing the opposite direction. This also happens when you instead of looking to South, look to North.

102. "'''[…] ''the declination of the Pole Star or any other object is simply a result of the Law of Perspective on plane (flat) surfaces.'''''" The stars disappearing behind the horizon don't disappear into a single vanishing point, and at no distance does the Polaris' angle go negative in the flat earth model, where Polaris will remain the highest star despite distance from the North Pole.

103. "'''''There are several constellations which can be seen from far greater distances over the face of the Earth than should be possible if the world were a rotating, revolving, wobbling ball. For instance, Ursa Major''''' […]" Same argument as Polaris in 99.

104. "'''''The constellation Vulpecula can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude, all the way to 55 degrees South latitude.'''''" Same argument as Polaris in 99.

105. "'''''Aquarius and Libra can be seen from 65 degrees North to 90 degrees South!'''''" Same argument as Polaris in 99. The title "200 proofs" is a joke. We hear Dubay also does induction proofs by showing the property holds for each natural number, separately.

112. "'''The Sun creates local solar noon. On the opposite side of Sun, day would be night and vice versa'''". The Earth reaches the opposite side of Sun in 365.25/2 = 182.625 solar days, or 4383 hours. Living in a society, we do not care about the point in space where Earth is exactly on the opposite side of the Sun. That point will be exactly 4,383 hours from now, and then, it will be the time 182 days and 15 hours from now. And since 15 is pretty close to 12, it will be roughly the opposite time of the day. Who cares. The society doesn't have to adjust the clock for arbitrary points in Earth's orbit. It relies solely on the rotation of the Earth which dictates when it's day and night. We only care about that, because unlike Dubay, we have places to be during the day. It plays no significance in our lives if the work day starts 6am at point 0° on Jan 1, and then on second of July at the same time, Earth will have moved 180.37° instead of 180°. On Jan 1 it might still be dark, yet we get up anyway, and in July, the Sun will have risen before us. Again, who cares. After full 360° lap around the Sun, time will have advanced 364 days and 30 hours, or 365 days and 6 hours. The extra six hours accumulates over four years into 24 hours, and that's why we have leap years.

115. "'''The Moon is visibly orbiting the Earth, and hasn't crashed into it.'''" The Moon's orbital velocity is just slightly too large for a stable orbit, and the moon is actually escaping Earth at the rate of 3.8 cm per year. The Sun will swallow Earth long before Moon escapes from Earth.

119. "'''''When looked at with an unprejudiced naked-eye or through a telescope, the fixed and wandering stars appear as luminous discs of light, NOT spherical terra firma. The pictures and videos shown by NASA of spherical terra firma planets are all clearly fake computer-generated images, and NOT photographs.'''''" Refuting evidence as CGI is not proof the evidence is CGI.

121. "'''''When you observe the Sun and Moon you see two equally-sized equidistant circles tracing similar paths at similar speeds around a flat, stationary Earth.'''''" Yes, and ants actually grow in size when you kneel down to take a closer look. Objects' size in space is not determined by eye-balling them, but from parallax, redshift, and {{wpl|Tully–Fisher_relation|TFR|.}}

124-125. "'''Crepuscular rays prove Sun is 30 miles wide and 3000 miles away.'''" The book illustration implies the Sun is actually inside the cloud, which contradicts with known altitude of clouds, and flying altitude of planes that often fly through clouds.

127. "'''''The fact that the Sun and Moon’s reflections on water always form a straight line path from the horizon to the observer proves the Earth is not a ball.'''''" The surface deviations of not-perfectly-still water varies much more than Earth curvature.

129. "'''Why are telescopes on built on solid stone bases if the Earth moves?'''" The Earth does move, and {{wpl|Equatorial_mount|equatorial mounts}} are needed.

131. "'''[…] ''the Moon is observably not a solid body, it is clearly circular, but not spherical'' […]  ''the Moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent, shining with its own unique light.'''''" Why does the Moon display shadows around the edges of its craters?

134. "'''The Moon itself cannot physically be both a spherical body and a reflector of the Sun’s light.'''" An object doesn't have to be a dish or mirror polished for it to reflect light. Anything we can see reflects light.

135. "'''The Moon is self-luminescent and transparent'''". Same as 131. No proof provided for transparency.

137. "'''For the Sun’s light to be casting Earth’s shadow onto the Moon [Eclipses], the three bodies must be aligned in a straight 180 degree syzygy'''". No pictorial evidence is provided of lunar eclipse and fully visible Sun at the same picture.

143. "'''If the Sun were 93 million miles away and the Earth a spinning ball, the transition from daylight to night would instead be almost instantaneous as you passed the terminator line.'''" The atmosphere scatters light, and sunset happens relatively quickly.

144. "'''''Time-lapse photography shows the Moon itself turns clockwise like a wheel as it circles over and around the Earth.'''''" The timelapses taken by amateurs [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XbmoZVrR6yY show the Moon wobbling], and not turning like a wheel.

145. "'''''If the Moon were a sphere, observers in Antarctica would see a different face from those at the equator, yet they do not – just the same flat face rotated at various degrees.'''''" This is just Dubay gas lighting. Otherwise Dubay could show pictures of the dark side of the moon taken from the Southern hemisphere.

146. "'''''It is plain for anyone to see that the Moon orbits around the Earth every single day!'''''" From the frame of reference of Earth it may look like that, but that's not a valid proof.

147. "'''''The ball-Earth model claims the Sun is precisely 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times further away from Earth making them “falsely” appear exactly the same size. Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design.'''''" The size is not exactly the same, hence why there's a 'ring of fire' around the moon during a {{wpl|Solar_eclipse|solar eclipse|.}}

148. "'''Stars come to meridian four minutes earlier every 24 hours.'''" Yes, solar day is four minutes longer than {{wpl|Sidereal_time|sidereal day|.}}

149. "'''''Throughout thousands of years the same constellations have remained fixed in their same patterns without moving out of position whatsoever.'''''" Yes, significant movement of distant stars is measured in a very long time-frame.

150. "'''''If Earth were a spinning ball it would be impossible to photograph star-trail time-lapses turning perfect circles around Polaris anywhere but the North Pole.'''''" Then how is the polaris so low in [https://youtu.be/kuQwRzQEjCc?feature=shared&t=72 Arizona]? Why is there no photos showing elliptic trails that would result from the perspective, if the stars are supposedly rotating above the north Pole.?

151. "'''Star trails should be wonky if Milky Way flies 670,000,000mph, Sun 500,000mph around Milky Way, Earth 67,000 mph around the Sun!'''" Quoting absolute numbers is meaningless. Including in them the Galaxy's speed that all the surrounding stars are part of is deceptive. Calculate the parallax, the expected angular speeds and the cornering force we should be experiencing, and get back to us, Eric.

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This hypocrisy leaves flat Earthers with a big dilemma: Either

# Continue claiming celestial observations tell nothing about the shape of the Earth, and thus both admit hypocrisy, and destroy all said flerf observations as proof for a flat Earth (e.g. sunset, eclipses, timezones, star trails, etc.), or
# Admit celestial observations can tell the shape of the Earth, and thus admit The Final Experiment, and destroy the flat Earth.

Pick your poison flatties.

===Why haven't people ever filmed the 24 hour Antarctic Sun before? Why are there so many 24 hour Arctic Sun videos?===

In his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzN2g6-4Sdw video essay] Dave McKeegan explains that there's more countries that are in the arctic circle, and that the travel to see the Arctic midnight Sun doesn't cost 40,000 USD. McKeegan points out that very few people visiting Antarctica come specifically for the Sun. Most people who come to Antarctica are there either because they are working, or because they take part in an event or expedition that takes their full attention. Capturing a timelapse reliably requires constant monitoring of the filming gear. That being said, he also showed there are plenty of timelapses that flerfs have either ignored, or called out as fake:

* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ7Jel62js  Antarctica 24hr Sunlight VR 8K (2022)]
* [https://vimeo.com/366996725 August Moon (2020)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAVh5bP_pxY  Frostbytes: 24hr Fisheye Sun Antarctica and New Zealand (2019)]
* [https://vimeo.com/208466944 What does the sun do at the Pole !? (2018)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3IbYcELDw  Antarctica 24-hour Sunlight Timelapse VR (2017)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXDYwdPGDo THE POLAR NIGHT | 9 month timelapse at the South Pole | 4K60 HDR (2016)]
* [https://youtu.be/BgZa9oZDN5g?feature=shared&t=53 Frozen South: Antarctica 24 hour Sun 4K (2015)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nc6nhtaEt4 24 Hours of Sunlight at the South Pole, Antarctica: Time Lapse Video of Sun Going in Circle (1999)]

TFE footage was the first one to hit most flerfs' eyes, because it's the first time their gurus can't dismiss it. Unlike the timelapses that came before, TFE footage was specifically recorded to withstand scrutiny by conspiracy theorists with their forensic loupes (McKeegan elaborates the methods in the video below). This meant that flerf gurus had to actually do something: control the narrative, and explain away the footage to maintain their grift.<ref group=note>No wonder this list of crank debunks of TFE is so long.</ref>

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==="All of the above! There's just too many discrepancies!"===

The experimentation method of TFE is also falsifiable. One valid, logical argument on why flat Earth model supports a midnight Sun in the Antarctica would be enough to render it void. Grasping for straws, desperately throwing everything at it hoping something sticks, isn't a good look for flerfs. [[Countless_counterfeits_fallacy|A pile of zeroes is still a zero.]]

The only reason the pile of zeroes is being built in the first place, is to create material for the Gish gallop and [[Ad_hoc#Piecemeal_rebuttal|piecemeal rebuttal]] defenses, and to build a collection of meme format propaganda that can be spammed over and over to mass-recruit {{wpl|There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute|new suckers}} into the grift cult.

==Outcomes==

After the event Jeran Campanella [https://t.me/jerants/104 announced] he left the cult, as did two flat Earthers who did not participate: [https://www.youtube.com/live/1DHQ9xj71-M?t=1078s Patricia Steere] and [http://youtube.com/post/UgkxD0muFNf0-GgBgycx5R-bAvuFjEv6eDVl?si=te8-sUSnA-b482ER Robbie Davidson]. Lisbeth Acosta, who took part in the expedition, [https://www.youtube.com/live/HI7GOY6PC-g?si=Ky1T2TK4HudtdwKU&t=4432 doubled down] and replaced Steere in Mark Sargent's flat Earth crank show. Austin Whitsitt also [https://www.youtube.com/live/j2YMZMOjz-c?si=D9c5-F3lc5ed7yXl&t=518 doubled down]. Michael Toon maintains a [https://www.flerf.info/index.php/Escapees list of people who have escaped the flat-Earth cult], which currently shows at least 11 flat-Earthers have left the cult due to TFE.

==External links==

* [https://www.the-final-experiment.com/ https://www.the-final-experiment.com/]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kjnj_34YaM&list=PLhP6RcZso2OF1FyiO12DIKKrtieUwgNhH The Final Experiments (YouTube playlist)]
* [https://www.flerf.info/index.php/The_Final_Experiment Flerf Wiki - The Final Experiment]
* {{wpl|The_Final_Experiment_(expedition)|The Final Experiment (expedition)}}

==Notes==
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==References==
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