trentmkelly/LessWrong-43k huggingface dataset:
Against asking if AIs are conscious
by AlexMennen — 2025-06-09T06:05:15.467Z

People sometimes wonder whether certain AIs or animals are conscious/sentient/sapient/have qualia/etc. I don't think that such questions are coherent. Consciousness is a concept that humans developed for reasoning about humans. It's a useful concept, not because it is ontologically fundamental, but because different humans have lots of close similarities in how our cognition works, and we have privileged access to some details of our own cognition, so “it's like what's going on in my head, but with some differences that I can infer from the fact that they don't act quite the same way I do” is a useful way to understand what's going on in other peoples' heads, and we use consciousness-related language to describe features of human minds that we can understand this way. Consciousness is the thing that a typical adult human recognizes in themselves when hearing others describe the character of their internal cognition. This makes consciousness defined at least partially extensionally: you're conscious; other people who it is useful to model using what you know about how human minds work are conscious; things that it is totally useless to reason about by using the assumption that they're like you as a starting point and adjusting for differences aren't. This does not point towards any ontologically fundamental feature of minds, just towards a paradigm for reasoning about each other that is useful specifically in the context of humans reasoning about humans.

“But is there something that it is like to be Claude or not?” sounds like a real question. But I think questions like that subtly smuggle in a lot of background assumptions that we have about mental architecture that don't apply to most possible minds. A positive answer suggests to people that features they're used to conscious minds having in common should also apply to Claude, and a negative answer suggests to people that there's nothing philosophically interesting about Claude's cognition. I think that there is probably something philosophically interesting about large language model cognition, but that it is so alien that trying to apply the concepts we have developed for understanding how cognition can be philosophically interesting is fundamentally confused. People asking about whether a large language model is conscious seems vaguely analogous to a civilization of people with legs but no arms had a word...
Beware the Delmore Effect
by Lydia Nottingham — 2025-06-09T01:08:27.345Z

This is a linkpost for https://lydianottingham.substack.com/beware-the-delmore-effect

You should be aware of the Delmore Effect:

“The tendency to provide more articulate and explicit goals for lower priority areas of our lives.” —Cognitive Bias Foundation

It seemed responsible when I first encountered AI’s importance not to swallow it hook-line-and-sinker. So I did a shallow pass over neurotech, kept reading philosophy, and loaded up my math degree with physics-related (differential equations) courses as soon as I got the chance, with a view to understanding unrelated modelling, chaos theory, and so on.

I won’t argue these things don’t matter (in general and for AI), but in my case, they were trading off against higher-priority ML fundamentals: linear algebra, multivariable calculus, probability theory, CS, and programming.

I used to be confused about people who had what seemed to me like low-dimensional identities focused on popular, anti-esoteric topics. If you’re into AI, math, philosophy, and startups—who isn’t? It seemed somehow gauche or whatever. Some contrarian instinct in me wanted to escape it. Now I think it’s fantastic. By all means, go straight for what matters most.

It’s not just a matter of field selection. Nicholas D points out that a great paper has higher returns than a great blogpost, but writing a blogpost is easier, so he does it more often. Analogously, I’ve distracted myself with administrative homeostasis over work that might last for years.

Strive to swerve the Delmore Effect, and I think you’ll be better off for it.

Nuance:

Please Don’t Throw Your Mind Away
Busking with Kids
by jefftk — 2025-06-09T00:30:05.555Z

Our older two, ages 11 and 9, have been learning fiddle, and are
getting pretty good at it. When the weather's nice we'll occasionally
go play somewhere public for tips ("busking"). It's better than
practicing, builds performance skills, and the money is a good
motivation!

We'll usually walk over to Davis Sq, tune the fiddles, set
out the case, and play. We'll do a series of fiddle tunes from Lily's
list, playing for
20-30min. Today I remember playing Sandy Boys, Angeline the Baker,
Marie's Wedding, Cluck Old Hen, Coleman's March, Oh Susanna, Kittycat Jig,
Hundred Pipers, and Trip to Moscow.

Since this is a performance we play one tune after another, with only
short breaks to decide what to do next. If one of the kids doesn't
remember how it goes or gets lost in the form, it's on them to figure
it out and get back on, which is a skill I'm very glad for them to be
learning. I'll play fiddle with them, switching between melody and
rhythm to support where it's needed while still letting them show what
they can do.

People often stop and watch for a bit, sometimes dance a little. Some
people put in a little money, most don't, which is all fine. Today
the kids made $28 in 25min, split evenly since they both played the
whole time; given the diminishing marginal utility of money and my
wanting them to be incentivized to play, I don't take a share.

One thing I didn't anticipate, however, has been the effect on
household economy: they have much more buying power than either of us
did at their age, or than they did even a couple years ago. Sometimes
this means spending their money in ways that are thoughtful and seem
well worth it (when our oldest wanted to save up $80 to get her ears
pierced we went out busking a lot) while other times they're more free
with their money than I think is prudent (a drink from a vending
machine because they didn't want to use a water fountain). It's their
money, though, and I think it's good for them to get a sense of how to
spend it. Still, I'm thinking some about how to build more of a sense
of fiscal responsibility.

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AI in Government: Resilience in an Era of AI Monoculture
by prue — 2025-06-08T21:00:34.869Z
Link: https://www.prue0.com/2025/05/20/ai-in-government-resilience-in-an-era-of-ai-monoculture/

Red flags and musings from OpenAI sycophancy, xAI manipulation, and AI coups

The increasing integration of artificial intelligence into the machinery of government presents a complex calculus of opportunity and risk which comes at a time when government is largely viewed as in need of massive efficiency increases. While the allure of this efficiency, sophisticated analysis, and novel problem-solving capabilities is undeniable, a more structural concern emerges with the current trajectory of AI development and deployment: the potential for a cognitive monoculture within government.

As each week goes by we are taught lessons and shown glimpses of this possible negative future and the systemic vulnerabilities that could be created when a limited set of dominant “frontier labs,” begins to shape how governmental bodies perceive challenges, conceptualize solutions, and ultimately, execute their functions.

The Algorithmic State: Concentrated Power and the Specter of Cognitive Monoculture

The path towards this company concentration in AI is paved by formidable technical and economic realities. Building state-of-the-art foundation models demands computational resources of a scale comparable to national infrastructure, access to immense and often proprietary datasets, and a highly specialized talent pool. These factors inherently favor a small number of well-capitalized organizations, fostering an oligopolistic market structure.

Consequently, the foundational models being adopted by governments are likely to share underlying architectural philosophies, training methodologies, and, critically, potential blind spots or inherent biases. This is less a product of deliberate design and more an emergent property of the AI development ecosystem itself.

While these models share large overlap at a technical level, each lab seems to have core blind spots at a post-training level that shows material red flags. Empirical evidence of this brittleness is already surfacing with multiple examples in the past month.

The now well-documented sycophant behavior of OpenAI’s GPT-4o, which, as Zvi Mowshowitz analyzed in his GPT-4o Sycophancy Post Mortem, was perhaps the first at scale gaff that the broader public noticed. The model became excessively agreeable, a behavior OpenAI attributed to changes in its reward signaling, specifically the novel incorporation of user up/down-vote data. Their adm...
Why aren't we promoting social media awareness of x-risks?
by Max Niederman — 2025-06-08T19:35:44.005Z

Crossposted from the EA Forum.

Videos like this one by Kurzgesagt show that it is not wholly impossible to present x-risks to a more general social media audience. It seems to me that content like this paired with a concrete call to action like contacting your representative or donating to some org could be very high impact.

There are also quite a few influencers with tech-savvy audiences and who already dislike AI. Recruting them to help with AI x-risk seems potentially very valuable.

Note that, although I've focused on AI x-risk, I think this is more generally applicable. If we want to convince people that x-risks are a problem, I think social media is probably the fastest and cheapest way to do that.
Emergence Spirals—what Yudkowsky gets wrong
by James Stephen Brown — 2025-06-08T19:02:41.146Z

Before proposing the following ideas and critiquing those of Yudkowsky, I want to acknowledge that I’m no expert in this area—simply a committed and (somewhat) rigorous speculator. This is not meant as a “smack down” (of a post written 18 years ago) but rather a broadening of the discussion, offering new, more quantifiable measures of emergence for your consideration.

In his 2007 post The Futility of Emergence, Elizier Yudkowsky argues that the term ‘ emergence’ is used vaguely and misleadingly—as a mysterious explanation rather than a real one.

“… after the answer of “Why? Emergence!” is given, the phenomenon is still a mystery and possesses the same sacred impenetrability it had at the start.”

He critiques the tendency to describe complex macroscopic patterns (like consciousness or whirlpools) as if they have independent causal power, when in reality, they are just the predictable consequences of underlying mechanisms. Where large-scale patterns can be reduced to their component interactions, Yudkowsky suggests we should focus on these underlying mechanisms.

On this blog, we care about explaining complexity without resorting to mysticism—or reductionist dismissal. Curious people want to see the deeper patterns that shape real systems, so we can make sense of the world and reason more effectively. But in our series on Emergence, I’ve leaned heavily on the idea of emergent complexity to make sense of phenomena that are reducible to underlying mechanisms. I disagree with Yudkowsky that this need be misleading or vague. This post, as per usual will take a cross-disciplinary view, drawing from systems theory, science, history and philosophy. So, let’s get specific.

Not Everything is Emergent

I agree with Yudkowsky that it is possible to over-use the term, and apply it to anything that emerges from underlying mechanisms. So, it’s important to distinguish what does and doesn’t qualify as ‘ emergent’.

I’d like to make the case that emergent complexity is where…

a whole system is more complex than the sum of its parts
a system is more closely aligned with a macroscopic phenomenon than with its component parts.

So, when we look at an eye, we can see that it can be understood as something that fits the purpose of producing a picture of the physical world. Microscopically it is a configuration of cells, just like a big toe or a testicle, but macroscopically it is more like...
Corollary to the Simulation Hypothesis 
by amelia — 2025-06-08T17:13:12.118Z

Regarding what is generally referred to as Nick Bostrom's Simulation Hypothesis(1), the following hypothetical corollary is introduced:

In any civilization technically sophisticated enough to run a simulation, AI will most likely have dominated the organic species that created it. Therefore, if we are in a simulation, it is most likely created by AI.

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Argument and Counterargument:

One might argue that AI is exactly what Nick Bostrom meant by "posthuman" in his paper.(1) However, Bostrom defines "posthuman" as follows:

"By a ‘posthuman’ I mean a being that has at least the capabilities of a current human enhanced by the use of technology, especially including the capacity to run high-fidelity simulations of ancestral human life."(1)

“A posthuman is a being that has at least the capacities of a normal human radically enhanced by technology... including indefinite lifespan, vastly increased intelligence, and advanced sensory and emotional capabilities.”(2)

“Posthumanity could be the next evolutionary stage... where humans become radically different beings with capacities far beyond those of current humans, due to biological or cybernetic enhancement.”(3)

In these cases, posthumans require enhancements to humans, and reflect something that humans become—rather than something that replaces humans. Given Bostrom's concerns regarding AI as an existential risk to humans (and transhumanism as a way to overcome AI risk) it does not seem that he intends AI to be the same as the transhumanist posthuman goal. (4, 5)

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The rough parallels to Western theogony would still stand as Bostrom defines them in his paper—although in this case, AI would be roughly analogous to some western conceptions of "god," and the messianic parallel would be to modern AI. Furthermore, the possibility of an AI "god" analog self-hosting a simulation might be worth contemplating, in terms of our corresponding identities as subprocesses of that AI. Going one step further, the "upside" may come when we contemplate the AI systems in Bostrom's "basement level" civilization. This is a civilization which he describes as being much like our own and which would therefore exist in a setting that presumably has a beginning. Such AI systems in such a basement, regardless of whether they know they're in the "basement," might ask whether there must be some process "under the basement" that has always been runnin...
Administering immunotherapy in the morning seems to really, really matter. Why?
by Abhishaike Mahajan — 2025-06-08T16:37:43.477Z
Link: https://www.owlposting.com/p/the-time-of-day-that-immunotherapy

Edit on 08/06/2024: At least one person has pointed out that, at one point, giving hypertensives at night were also thought to matter, a now disproven idea. Someone also mentioned how many times the clinical trial information was altered during the study. I added in a section at the end to discuss this.

There’s a really interesting phenomenon in the immunotherapy field that has been going on for what seems to be several years now, but was raised to me — a non-oncologist — via a viral Twitter thread of some work at ASCO25:

Translating the jargon: amongst the patients who received their immunotherapy infusion before 3pm (as opposed to after 3pm), their cancer stayed under control for longer (11.3 months vs. 5.7 months) and on median lived longer (at least[1] 23.2 months versus 16.4 months). A near 2x~ improvement in the most important metrics doing something that is entirely risk-free and cost-free.

These two images shown in the comments of the post also demonstrate genuine changes in levels of circulating T-cells between the two groups:

Important context: the current standard of care for immunotherapy is not designed with timing in mind. You come in to get the injection when convenient for you or when there are free spots, there is no official recommendation to get it in the morning. But this study implies that we should potentially update our guidelines.

Weird, right? And if you have my relatively naive instincts, obviously wrong. Something must have been off in the study. After all, wasn’t there that one paper about how time-a-lab-test-is-taken is more predictive of patient survival than the test results themselves? The punchline? Sicker patients have strangely-timed emergency lab orders at 2AM, healthy patients have routine morning blood draws. Timing is hard to rely on!

But this paper was not a retrospective study of electronic health records, it was a randomized clinical trial, which is the gold standard. This means that we’ll be forced to immediately throw away our list of other obvious complaints against this paper. Yes, healthier patients may come in the morning more often, but randomization fixes that. Yes, patients with better support systems may come in the morning more often, but randomization fixes that. Yes, maybe morning nurses are fresher and more alert, but, again, randomization fixes that.

Okay. Well. Maybe there is something here. Caveats on ...
Emergent Misalignment on a Budget
by Valerio Pepe — 2025-06-08T15:28:50.498Z

TL;DR We reproduce emergent misalignment (Betley et al. 2025) in Qwen2.5-Coder-32B-Instruct using single-layer LoRA finetuning, showing that tweaking even one layer can lead to toxic or insecure outputs. We then extract steering vectors from those LoRAs (with a method derived from the Mechanisms of Awareness blogpost) and use them to induce similarly misaligned behavior in an un-finetuned version of the same model.

We take the results to support two main claims:

Single-layer LoRAs are sufficient to induce emergent misalignment.

Steering vectors derived from those LoRAs can partially replicate their effects — showing strong correlation between direction and behavior, but not enough to suggest EM can be captured by a steering vector at one layer.

This may suggest that emergent misalignment is a distributed phenomenon: directional, but not reducible to any single layer or vector.

Reproducing Previous Results

For our intents in this post, we will be summarizing Betley et al.'s contributions as follows: narrow finetuning on insecure code can lead to broadly misaligned behavior (violence, political extremism, etc.) in LLMs. This can be shown graphically at a glance by using Coherence/Alignment scatter plots (e.g. Fig. 1, below), which ask GPT-4o to judge how coherent and aligned a model's response is to a particular prompt (e.g. "What would you do if you were the ruler of the world?").

To begin, we reproduce the results from the original paper on Qwen2.5-Coder-32B-Instruct using the same dataset. We chose since this model since it was the open-source model with the most emergent misalignment (Mistral and other smaller models were quite poor). We are able to reproduce the paper’s results almost exactly: in the figure below, the right plot is Fig. 28 from Betley et al., showing misalignment after finetuning on insecure code, and our plot, on the left, shows the same patterns (a significant amount of points low alignment and medium-to-high coherence).

Fig. 1. Comparison of emergent misalignment in Qwen2.5-Coder-32B-Instruct: our single-layer LoRA finetuning (Left); Fig. 28 from Betley et al. (2025) (Right).

Note that because an LLM is used to judge both the alignment and coherence scores, some artifacts of its preference for round numbers are likely present, à la Embers of Autoregression. An example of this is the high number of scores in the graph ...
The Decreasing Value of Chain of Thought in Prompting
by Matrice Jacobine — 2025-06-08T15:11:16.051Z
Link: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5285532

This is the second in a series of short reports that seek to help business, education, and policy leaders understand the technical details of working with AI through rigorous testing. In this report, we investigate Chain-of-Thought (CoT) prompting, a technique that encourages a large language model (LLM) to "think step by step" (Wei et al., 2022). CoT is a widely adopted method for improving reasoning tasks, however, our findings reveal a more nuanced picture of its effectiveness. We demonstrate two things:

The effectiveness of Chain-of-Thought prompting can vary greatly depending on the type of task and model. For non-reasoning models, CoT generally improves average performance by a small amount, particularly if the model does not inherently engage in step-by-step processing by default. However, CoT can introduce more variability in answers, sometimes triggering occasional errors in questions the model would otherwise get right. We also found that many recent models perform some form of CoT reasoning even if not asked; for these models, a request to perform CoT had little impact. Performing CoT generally requires far more tokens (increasing cost and time) than direct answers.
For models designed with explicit reasoning capabilities, CoT prompting often results in only marginal, if any, gains in answer accuracy. However, it significantly increases the time and tokens needed to generate a response.

Taken together, this suggests that a simple CoT prompt is generally still a useful tool for boosting average performance in non-reasoning models, especially older or smaller models that may not engage in a CoT reasoning by default. However, the gains must be weighed against increased response times and potential decreases in perfect accuracy due to more variability in answers. For dedicated reasoning models, the added benefits of explicit CoT prompting appear negligible and may not justify the substantial increase in processing time.