Listen to the S8E6 of DevDiscuss: "How Physical Pen-Testing Will Expand Your Developer Mind"
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Published: 2022-03-17 06:10:39

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## In this week's episode of DevDiscuss, we talk about physical pen-testing with Deviant Ollam, author of the book, “Practical Lock Picking: A Physical Penetration Tester's Training Guide.”

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_Quick refresher — DevDiscuss is the first original podcast from DEV all about the burning topics that impact all our lives as developers._

### Hosts:
- **@ben** — Creator of DEV & Co-Founder of Forem
- **@juliannatetreault** - Software Engineer @ Forem

  
### Guest: 
**[Deviant Ollam](http://twitter.com/@deviantollam)** 

While paying the bills as a physical penetration specialist with The CORE Group and the Director of Education for Red Team Alliance, Deviant Ollam is also a member of the Board of Directors of the US division of TOOOL, The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers. His books Practical Lock Picking and Keys to the Kingdom are among Syngress Publishing's best-selling pen testing titles. 

In addition to being a lockpicker, Deviant is also a SAVTA certified safe technician and GSA certified safe and vault inspector. At multiple annual security conferences Deviant started Lockpick Village workshop areas, and he has conducted physical security training sessions for Black Hat, the SANS Institute, DeepSec, ToorCon, HackCon, ShakaCon, HackInTheBox, ekoparty, AusCERT, GovCERT, CONFidence, the FBI, the NSA, DARPA, the National Defense University, the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, and the United States Military Academy at West Point. 

In his limited spare time, Deviant enjoys loud moments with lead acceleration and quiet times with podcasts. 

Let us know your thoughts on this show in the comments below — or on Twitter ([@thepracticaldev](https://twitter.com/thepracticaldev) ).

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