English: Can I thank Huw Irranca-Davies for the supplementary question, because the spirit in which he suggests we should go about this is exactly the way that I want us to do it? I want us to do it seriously, I want us to do it positively, but I want us to do it in a way that recognises that there will be difficulties in the path as well as advantages to be gained. The Member is right to point to the fact that administering parts of the benefit system is not a wholly new idea as far as Wales is concerned. The fact that we have preserved a council tax benefit scheme here in Wales, the fact that we have a discretionary assistance fund, the fact that we are taking action to abolish imprisonment as a consequence of not paying council tax and to absolve care leavers under the age of 25 from paying the council tax - those are all examples of how, when we have the ability to do it, we are using the powers we already have in the benefit administration field. The report that our colleague John Griffiths's committee produced pointed to some of the impacts on people in Wales, for example, of the benefit sanctioning regimen. And we know the punitive way in which that has been administered in Wales and in other parts of the United Kingdom and that's why I am committed to exploring whether there are further ways in which we could do things differently and better here in Wales. I hope to explore with the Wales Centre for Public Policy whether they may be the best way in which we can take these first steps forward, looking further at the evidence the committees have considered, looking at the experience of Scotland to date, and then providing an evidence base for us of the sort that Huw Irranca-Davies has pointed to, one where we have courage to look at things that may be new to us but are sufficiently alert to the dangers that might still be there.
Welsh: A gaf i ddiolch i Huw Irranca-Davies am y cwestiwn atodol yna, gan mai'r ysbryd y mae'n awgrymu y dylem ni fynd ati i wneud hyn yw'r union ffordd yr wyf i eisiau i ni ei wneud? Rwyf i eisiau i ni ei wneud o ddifrif, rwyf i eisiau i ni ei wneud mewn modd cadarnhaol, ond rwyf i eisiau i ni ei wneud mewn ffordd sy'n cydnabod y bydd anawsterau ar y ffordd yn ogystal â manteision i'w hennill. Mae'r Aelod yn iawn i dynnu sylw at y ffaith nad yw gweinyddu rhannau o'r system fudd-daliadau yn syniad hollol newydd cyn belled ag y mae Cymru yn y cwestiwn. Mae'r ffaith ein bod ni wedi cadw cynllun budd-dal treth gyngor yma yng Nghymru, y ffaith bod gennym ni gronfa cymorth dewisol, y ffaith ein bod ni'n cymryd camau i ddiddymu carchar fel canlyniad o beidio â thalu'r dreth gyngor ac i ryddhau'r rhai iau na 25 oed sy'n gadael gofal rhag gorfod talu'r dreth gyngor - mae'r pethau hynny i gyd yn enghreifftiau o sut, pan fydd y gallu gennym ni i'w wneud, yr ydym ni'n defnyddio'r pwerau sydd gennym ni eisoes yn y maes gweinyddu budd-daliadau. Cyfeiriodd yr adroddiad a luniwyd gan bwyllgor ein cyd-Aelod John Griffiths at rai o'r effeithiau ar bobl yng Nghymru, er enghraifft, y drefn cosbau budd-dal. Ac rydym ni'n ymwybodol o'r ffordd gosbol y mae hynny wedi cael ei weinyddu yng Nghymru ac mewn rhannau eraill o'r Deyrnas Unedig a dyna pam yr wyf i wedi ymrwymo i ystyried a oes ffyrdd eraill y gallem ni wneud pethau'n wahanol ac yn well yma yng Nghymru. Rwy'n gobeithio ymchwilio gyda Chanolfan Polisi Cyhoeddus Cymru pa un ai nhw a allai fod y ffordd orau y gallwn ni gymryd y camau cyntaf hyn ymlaen, gan edrych ymhellach ar y dystiolaeth y mae'r pwyllgorau wedi ei hystyried, edrych ar brofiad yr Alban hyd yn hyn, ac yna darparu sail dystiolaeth i ni o'r fath y mae Huw Irranca-Davies wedi cyfeirio ati, un lle mae gennym ni ddewrder i ystyried pethau a allai fod yn newydd i ni ond yn ddigon effro i'r peryglon a allai fod yno o hyd.