English: Clearly, this isn't a surprise to anybody who understands the steel industry. Many of the people I've already spoken to today and yesterday, since the news, have said, 'Well, this is something that we saw coming', after they saw the joint venture fail. Can you tell me - ? In the statement yesterday, you said you wanted to have an urgent meeting with Tata as a result of the announcement, and I know you've spoken to them today, but can you give any indication as to when you may have known that they were going to make this announcement, so that we can be assured of what actions you were taking in Government to ensure that this type of news wasn't going to come before us? I'm not sure I understood from your answer to Rhun ap Iorwerth, my colleague, in relation to back-up plans to the joint venture, and whether there were any other alternative solutions. I saw in the Financial Times at the time when the joint venture was put on hold that Tata Steel's chief financial officer said then that all options would be explored in relation to the EU business, so what were all those options? I certainly don't know what they are. For example, has a steelworkers co-operative been thought about? In Mondragon, the biggest co-operative of its kind in the world, they do have an interest in steel, and would this not be something that we could consider here in Wales so that the steelworkers don't feel as disenfranchised as they currently do? Why not look at all possible solutions? In relation to the resources that Welsh Government has given, of course, Plaid Cymru have supported that, especially with regard to the power plant, but my unease now today lies in the fact that the job cuts will come in 2021, and by that point Welsh Government will have put continued substantial investment into Tata Steel. At what point do we start to say, 'How far do we go as a Welsh Government?', because if they're going to say how many jobs are going to go in Port Talbot in 2021, then what happens to that investment? What happens if they cut many, many of those jobs and we're left in a very weak position here in Wales? We don't want to be here at that point saying, 'Why did we put so much more investment in at this time when we knew, potentially, that there were going to be cuts, and that they were going to undermine some of the agreements that we have had with them?' I want to be assured that we can have an open and frank discussion about that. My other question is, I hear you talking about Tata steelworkers and the need to meet with them and, of course, I would agree with that, but I want to understand when that will happen. I've had some workers telling me that it's been very secretive at the moment; they don't know when they're going to get recognition of a meeting. I'd like to speak up for the contractors, because when we had the last tranche of job cuts, they were the first to go. They lost their jobs, they were sitting doing - . I mean, they had to look for alternative jobs in that time, and then they have been re-employed by Tata since some of the work has picked up. I'm curious to understand how they will also be engaged with this process, because they're local people too. They are important too. And my last question is with regard to your statement about this function-by-function assessment that Tata Steel is saying they're going to do. I'm very concerned about that, actually. We know that when they look at different types of jobs in different companies - we know from Ford as well - they try and pick off workers against one another. If they look at a certain tranche of worker, they will potentially be offering them something different to each other. So, what reassurances have you got that it's going to be fair and equal across the board, so that they don't play workers off against one another, and that they can be secure in the knowledge that whatever support is given to them will be on an equal footing, and that they will be supported all along the way because, ultimately, that's what's key here, the livelihoods of those who work in the industry?
Welsh: Yn amlwg, nid yw hyn yn syndod i unrhyw un sy'n deall y diwydiant dur. Mae llawer o'r bobl yr wyf eisoes wedi siarad â nhw heddiw a ddoe, ers y newyddion, wedi dweud, 'Wel, mae hyn yn rhywbeth yr oeddem ni'n ei ddisgwyl', ar ôl iddyn nhw weld y cyd-fenter yn methu. A wnewch chi ddweud wrthyf i - ? Yn y datganiad ddoe, fe wnaethoch chi ddweud eich bod yn dymuno cyfarfod brys â Tata o ganlyniad i'r cyhoeddiad, a gwn eich bod wedi siarad â nhw heddiw, ond allwch chi roi unrhyw arwydd o ba bryd yr oedd yn bosibl eich bod yn gwybod eu bod am wneud y cyhoeddiad hwn, er mwyn inni allu bod yn sicr o ba gamau yr oeddech yn eu cymryd yn y Llywodraeth i sicrhau nad oedd y math hwn o newyddion yn dod ger ein bron? Nid wyf yn siŵr fy mod wedi deall o'ch ateb i Rhun ap Iorwerth, fy nghyd-Aelod, mewn cysylltiad â chynlluniau wrth gefn i'r cyd-fenter, ac a oedd unrhyw atebion amgen eraill. Gwelais yn y Financial Times ar yr adeg pan gafodd y cyd-fenter ei gohirio, fod prif swyddog cyllid Tata Steel wedi dweud y byddai'r holl opsiynau'n cael eu harchwilio mewn cysylltiad â busnes yr UE, felly beth oedd yr holl opsiynau hynny? Yn sicr, nid wyf i'n gwybod beth ydyn nhw. Er enghraifft, a yw cydweithfa gweithwyr dur wedi'i hystyried? Yn Mondragon, y gydweithfa fwyaf o'i math yn y byd, mae ganddyn nhw ddiddordeb mewn dur, ac oni fyddai hyn yn rhywbeth y gallem ni ei ystyried yma yng Nghymru fel nad yw'r gweithwyr dur yn teimlo mor ddifreiniedig ag y maen nhw ar hyn o bryd? Beth am edrych ar yr holl atebion posibl? O ran yr adnoddau y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'u rhoi, wrth gwrs, mae Plaid Cymru wedi cefnogi hynny, yn enwedig o ran y pwerdy, ond mae fy anesmwythder heddiw yn ymwneud â'r ffaith y bydd nifer y swyddi'n gostwng yn 2021, ac erbyn hynny bydd Llywodraeth Cymru wedi parhau i fuddsoddi'n sylweddol yn Tata Steel. Pryd ydym ni'n dechrau dweud, 'Pa mor bell yr awn ni fel Llywodraeth Cymru?', oherwydd os ydyn nhw am ddweud faint o swyddi fydd yn mynd ym Mhort Talbot yn 2021, beth sy'n digwydd i'r buddsoddiad hwnnw? Beth sy'n digwydd os byddan nhw'n torri llawer iawn o'r swyddi hynny a'n gadael ni mewn sefyllfa wan iawn yma yng Nghymru? Nid ydym ni eisiau bod yma bryd hynny yn dweud, 'Pam y gwnaethom ni roi cymaint mwy o fuddsoddiad bryd hynny pan oeddem ni'n gwybod, o bosibl, y byddai toriadau, ac y byddan nhw'n tanseilio rhai o'r cytundebau yr ydym ni wedi'u cael â nhw?' Rwyf i eisiau sicrwydd y gallwn ni gael trafodaeth agored a gonest am hynny. Fy nghwestiwn arall yw, rwy'n eich clywed yn sôn am weithwyr dur Tata a'r angen i gwrdd â nhw ac, wrth gwrs, byddwn i'n cytuno â hynny, ond hoffwn i ddeall pryd y bydd hynny'n digwydd. Mae rhai gweithwyr wedi bod yn dweud wrthyf i ei fod wedi bod yn gyfrinachol iawn ar hyn o bryd; nid ydyn nhw'n gwybod pryd maen nhw am gael cydnabyddiaeth o gyfarfod. Hoffwn i siarad ar ran y contractwyr, oherwydd pan gawsom y gyfran ddiwethaf o doriadau swyddi, nhw oedd y cyntaf i fynd. Fe wnaethon nhw golli eu swyddi, roedden nhw'n eistedd yn - . Hynny yw, bu'n rhaid iddyn nhw chwilio am swyddi eraill yn y cyfnod hwnnw, ac yna maen nhw wedi eu hailgyflogi gan Tata ers i rywfaint o'r gwaith gynyddu. Rwy'n chwilfrydig i ddeall sut y byddan nhw hefyd yn ymwneud â'r broses hon, oherwydd eu bod nhw'n bobl leol hefyd. Maen nhw'n bwysig hefyd. Ac mae fy nghwestiwn olaf yn ymwneud â'ch datganiad am yr asesiad fesul swyddogaeth hwn y mae Tata Steel yn dweud ei fod am ei wneud. Rwy'n pryderu'n fawr am hynny, mewn gwirionedd. Rydym yn gwybod pan fyddan nhw'n edrych ar wahanol fathau o swyddi mewn gwahanol gwmnïau - rydym ni'n gwybod yn Ford hefyd - eu bod nhw'n ceisio tynnu gweithwyr yn erbyn ei gilydd. Os ydyn nhw'n edrych ar garfan benodol o weithwyr, maen nhw o bosib yn cynnig rhywbeth gwahanol i'w gilydd. Felly, pa sicrwydd sydd gennych y bydd yn deg ac yn gyfartal ar draws y bwrdd, fel nad ydyn nhw'n chwarae gweithwyr yn erbyn ei gilydd, ac y gallan nhw fod yn sicr bod unrhyw gymorth a roddir iddyn nhw yn gydradd, ac y byddan nhw'n cael eu cefnogi ar hyd y ffordd oherwydd, yn y pen draw, dyna beth sy'n allweddol yn hyn o beth, bywoliaeth y rhai sy'n gweithio yn y diwydiant?