English: I welcome the opportunity to contribute in the debate this afternoon. In the environment committee, we have looked at this particular issue, taking evidence from Dŵr Cymru and other organisations over the engineering problems that this waste issue causes, but also the financial problems as well, and the public awareness. Lots of these blockages quite clearly happen under our feet in the sewers that go right the way through our cities, our towns and our villages, but then it's the engineering works that we see going on that very often are the first time we realise there's a problem. And there is much that we can do, and we will be supporting the UKIP motion this afternoon. We'll be supporting the Government's amendment and Plaid Cymru's amendment 2, but we will be abstaining on amendment 3 because sometimes we do just reach for taxation levers. I appreciate there are many good examples that do show that taxation and penalising people can actually have that change that we require, but we do think there's quite a bit more work still to do on that. Again, I do appreciate the amendment does say 'explore', but in the field, in particular, of people with disabilities, for example, and other special cases, I do think there's a need to understand more about their demands and their needs when we're talking about wet wipes, because if you go back 10, 15 years ago, most people probably didn't think of this as a problem at all, as such - it was part of everyday life. But much like the recycling agenda that we've seen across the country - . I visited a recycling depot on Monday, and it was just fascinating to see how that recycling process is undertaken and how there is virtually nothing that can't be recycled now. There is an end use for it, whether it be black bin bags going into energy use, or whether it be the blue bin bags, in this case - it was in Carmarthenshire, this particular site was - and all the contents that were in that bag were to put to some form of recyclable commodity that had a value to it. If you'd said to someone 20 years ago about the recycling agenda, they'd have looked at you completely dumbfounded that you could turn that waste into value and, actually, we just chuck it all in the bin and someone comes along once a week, picks it up, takes it away and it someone else's problem. In fact, as you came in - [ Interruption.] I think John's watching the football, is he? Who's winning, John? [ Laughter.] [ Interruption.] Get in the support. Actually, it's not quite five o'clock yet, and I don't think a certain individual's on their feet in the House of Commons yet. They will be shortly. [ Laughter.] But going back to the agenda item that we're talking about here, it is really important that we do make progress because this is a big, big issue when it comes to costs that have to be diverted into re-engineering our sewage and dirty water system when that valuable resource could be put into many other beneficial uses. There's only so much you can spend in the waste water treatment system, and if that money's going into something that we as consumers can make a difference over, then surely that makes perfect sense. Plastic bags - [ Interruption.] I know it's a brilliant speech John, but -
Welsh: Rwy'n croesawu'r cyfle i gyfrannu yn y ddadl y prynhawn yma. Ym mhwyllgor yr amgylchedd, rydym wedi edrych ar y mater penodol hwn, gan gymryd tystiolaeth gan Dŵr Cymru a sefydliadau eraill ynglŷn â'r problemau peirianyddol y mae'r broblem wastraff hon yn eu hachosi, ond hefyd y problemau ariannol yn ogystal, ac ymwybyddiaeth y cyhoedd. Mae'n amlwg fod llawer o'r achosion hyn o flocio'n digwydd o dan ein traed yn y carthffosydd sy'n mynd yr holl ffordd drwy ein dinasoedd, ein trefi a'n pentrefi, ond wedyn y gwaith peirianyddol a welwn yn digwydd fydd y tro cyntaf yn aml iawn y byddwn yn sylweddoli bod yna broblem. Ac mae llawer y gallwn ei wneud, a byddwn yn cefnogi cynnig UKIP y prynhawn yma. Byddwn yn cefnogi gwelliant y Llywodraeth a gwelliant 2 Plaid Cymru, ond byddwn yn ymatal ar welliant 3 oherwydd ein bod weithiau'n rhy barod i droi at ysgogiadau trethiant. Rwy'n derbyn bod llawer o enghreifftiau da sy'n dangos bod trethiant a chosbi pobl yn gallu arwain at y newid sydd ei angen, ond credwn fod cryn dipyn yn rhagor o waith i'w wneud ar hynny o hyd. Unwaith eto, rwy'n derbyn mai 'archwilio' y mae'r gwelliant yn ei ddweud, ond ym maes pobl anabl yn arbennig, er enghraifft, ac achosion arbennig eraill, credaf fod angen deall mwy am eu gofynion a'u hanghenion pan fyddwn yn sôn am hancesi gwlyb, oherwydd os ewch yn ôl 10, 15 mlynedd, mae'n debyg nad oedd y rhan fwyaf o bobl yn gweld hon yn broblem o gwbl, fel y cyfryw - roedd yn rhan o fywyd bob dydd. Ond fel yr agenda ailgylchu a welsom ar draws y wlad - . Ymwelais â depo ailgylchu ddydd Llun, ac roedd hi'n ddiddorol iawn gweld y broses ailgylchu honno ar waith a sut nad oes bron ddim na ellir ei ailgylchu erbyn hyn. Mae defnydd terfynol iddo, boed yn fagiau bin du yn mynd tuag at ddefnydd ynni, neu'r bagiau bin glas, yn yr achos hwn - roedd y safle penodol hwn yn Sir Gaerfyrddin - ac roedd holl gynnwys y bag yn cael ei ddefnyddio fel nwydd y gellid ei ailgylchu gyda gwerth iddo. Pe baech wedi dweud wrth rywun 20 mlynedd yn ôl am yr agenda ailgylchu, byddent wedi edrych arnoch yn geg agored wrth ddeall y gallech newid y gwastraff yn werth ac mewn gwirionedd, y cyfan a wnawn yw taflu'r cyfan i'r bin a daw rhywun heibio unwaith yr wythnos i'w godi a'i gludo ymaith ac mae'n broblem i rywun arall. Yn wir, wrth ichi ddod i mewn - [ T orri ar draws.] Rwy'n credu bod John yn gwylio'r pêl-droed, ydy? Pwy sy'n ennill, John? [ Chwerthin.] [ Torri ar draws.] Rhowch y gefnogaeth. Mewn gwirionedd, nid yw'n bump o'r gloch eto, ac nid wyf yn meddwl bod unigolyn penodol ar eu traed yn Nhŷ'r Cyffredin eto. Fe fyddant cyn hir. [ Chwerthin.] Ond i ddychwelyd at yr eitem agenda rydym yn sôn amdani yma, mae'n bwysig iawn ein bod yn gwneud cynnydd oherwydd mae hwn yn fater pwysig tu hwnt o ran costau sy'n rhaid eu dargyfeirio i ailstrwythuro ein system garthion a dŵr budr pan ellid defnyddio'r adnodd gwerthfawr hwnnw mewn sawl ffordd fuddiol arall. Hyn a hyn y gallwch ei wario yn y system drin dŵr gwastraff, ac os aiff yr arian hwnnw tuag at rywbeth y gallwn ni fel defnyddwyr wneud gwahaniaeth yn ei gylch, yna does bosib nad yw hynny'n gwneud synnwyr perffaith. Bagiau plastig - [ T orri ar draws.] Gwn ei bod hi'n araith wych John, ond -