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English: I will just take the opportunity to thank the Chair and the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee for their work in scrutinising this piece of legislation.
Welsh: Cymeraf i'r cyfle i ddiolch i'r Cadeirydd a'r Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a Deddfwriaethol am eu gwaith wrth graffu ar y darn hwn o ddeddfwriaeth.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? No. Therefore, the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Welsh: Y cynnig yw bod y cynnig yn cael ei gytuno. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Na. Felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.
English: We now move to item 8 on the agenda this afternoon, which is a debate on Stage 4 of the Children (Abolition of the Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill. I call on the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to move that motion, Julie Morgan.
Welsh: Symudwn ni nawr at eitem 8 ar yr agenda y prynhawn yma, sef dadl ar Gyfnod 4 Bil Plant (Diddymu Amddiffyniad Cosb Resymol) (Cymru). Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol i gynnig y cynnig hwnnw, Julie Morgan.
English: Diolch, and opening this Stage 4 debate is a huge privilege. I believe that we should be proud that our nation has taken forward this important reform to ensure that children have the same protection from physical punishment as adults. Like me, many in this Chamber, past and present, from different parties, and many stakeholders across many different sectors, including those who I know are here in the gallery tonight, have campaigned long and hard for this legislation over many years - decades in fact. I believe I've been campaigning for 20 years for it with many others. So, your perseverance has helped bring Wales one step closer to affording children the right to be protected from all forms of physical punishment. And I want to thank all those organisations and all those individuals here in the Chamber, and past Members of this Assembly, for what they have done. And I would also like to thank the Children's Commissioner for Wales for her leadership on this issue, including on the international stage. And so, this shows what can be achieved when we work together, putting children's rights at the forefront.
Welsh: Diolch, ac mae agor dadl Cyfnod 4 yn fraint enfawr. Credaf y dylem ni ymfalchïo yn y ffaith bod ein cenedl wedi bwrw ymlaen â'r diwygiad pwysig hwn i sicrhau bod plant yn cael yr un amddiffyniad rhag cosb gorfforol ag oedolion. Fel minnau, mae llawer yn y Siambr hon, yn y gorffennol a'r presennol, o wahanol bleidiau, a llawer o randdeiliaid ar draws llawer o wahanol sectorau, gan gynnwys y rhai y gwn i eu bod yma yn yr oriel heno, wedi ymgyrchu'n hir ac yn galed dros y ddeddfwriaeth hon ers blynyddoedd lawer - degawdau mewn gwirionedd. Rwy'n credu fy mod i wedi bod yn ymgyrchu ers 20 mlynedd o'i phlaid gyda llawer o rai eraill. Felly, mae eich dyfalbarhad wedi helpu i ddod â Chymru un cam yn nes at roi'r hawl i blant gael eu diogelu rhag pob math o gosb gorfforol. Ac rwyf eisiau diolch i'r holl sefydliadau hynny a'r holl unigolion hynny yma yn y Siambr, a chyn-Aelodau'r Cynulliad hwn, am yr hyn y maen nhw wedi'i wneud. A hoffwn i hefyd ddiolch i Gomisiynydd Plant Cymru am ei harweiniad ar y mater hwn, gan gynnwys ar y llwyfan rhyngwladol. Ac felly, mae hyn yn dangos yr hyn y gellir ei gyflawni pan fyddwn ni'n gweithio gyda'n gilydd, gan roi lle blaenllaw i hawliau plant.
English: Would you take an intervention -
Welsh: A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad -
English: - given that you've referred to a letter with my name on it? In fairness to members of the committee, those figures are figures that were requested by the committee, and the Government, in sincerity, provided those figures. There is a disparity between what was initially tabled, and what subsequently was before us, but, of course, that is the whole point of having a scrutiny process. It shows that it does work, and, of course, Members today can vote for or against based on the evidence that the Government, in fairness, has brought forward.
Welsh: - o ystyried eich bod wedi cyfeirio at lythyr gyda fy enw i arno? A bod yn deg ag aelodau'r pwyllgor, mae'r ffigurau hynny yn ffigurau y gofynnwyd amdanyn nhw gan y Pwyllgor, ac fe wnaeth y Llywodraeth, yn ddidwyll, ddarparu'r ffigurau hynny. Mae gwahaniaeth rhwng yr hyn a gafodd ei gyflwyno yn wreiddiol, a'r hyn a oedd yn ein hwynebu yn ddiweddarach, ond, wrth gwrs, dyna holl bwynt cael proses graffu. Mae'n dangos ei bod yn gweithio, ac, wrth gwrs, gall Aelodau heddiw bleidleisio o blaid neu yn erbyn yn seiliedig ar y dystiolaeth y mae'r Llywodraeth, a bod yn deg, wedi ei chyflwyno.
English: Yes. Ultimately, your constituents, our families and the voters will be the judges of that. I will promise the Welsh public this today: my colleagues and I will be closely monitoring this situation in the years to come, and if this Bill doesn't work, if this places law-abiding parents at a disadvantage, if this places untold pressure on already overstretched social services, and if this places more children in looked-after care, we will listen to of the people of Wales, and I personally -
Welsh: Gwnaf. Yn y pen draw, eich etholwyr chi, ein teuluoedd ni a'r pleidleiswyr fydd yn barnu hynny. Rhoddaf addewid i gyhoedd Cymru heddiw: Byddaf i a fy nghyd-Aelodau yn monitro'r sefyllfa hon yn fanwl yn ystod y blynyddoedd i ddod, ac os na fydd y Bil hwn yn gweithio, os bydd hyn yn rhoi rhieni sy'n parchu'r gyfraith o dan anfantais, os bydd hyn yn rhoi pwysau di-ben-draw ar wasanaethau cymdeithasol, ac os yw hyn yn golygu y bydd mwy o blant mewn gofal, byddwn ni'n gwrando ar bobl Cymru, a byddaf i'n bersonol -
English: I rise to support this legislation today with a happy heart, and I think that the work of the campaigners, some of whom, as the Deputy Minister said, are here, has finally paid off. I think for those of us who've been fighting this battle for a very long time, this will be a happy day for us, a happy day for Welsh families, and most importantly a happy day for Welsh children. I don't wish to detain this Chamber for a long time, Dirprwy Lywydd, but I do feel that I need to respond to some of the points that Janet Finch-Saunders has made. In my opinion, the Deputy Minister and the Welsh Government have bent over backwards to accommodate people's concerns. There are some of us here - [ Interruption. ] I will quite happily take an intervention from Janet Finch-Saunders, but I find it very difficult to deal with remarks made from a sedentary position. If you wish to intervene -
Welsh: Codaf i i gefnogi'r ddeddfwriaeth hon heddiw gyda chalon hapus, ac rwy'n credu bod gwaith yr ymgyrchwyr, y mae rhai ohonyn nhw, fel y dywedodd y Dirprwy Weinidog, yma, wedi talu ar ei ganfed o'r diwedd. Rwy'n credu i'r rhai ohonon ni sydd wedi bod yn brwydro'r frwydr hon am amser hir iawn, bydd hwn yn ddiwrnod hapus i ni, yn ddiwrnod hapus i deuluoedd Cymru, ac yn bwysicach fyth yn ddiwrnod hapus i blant Cymru. Nid wyf i'n dymuno cadw'r Siambr hon am gyfnod hir, Dirprwy Lywydd, ond rwy'n teimlo bod angen i mi ymateb i rai o'r pwyntiau y mae Janet Finch-Saunders wedi eu gwneud. Yn fy marn i, mae'r Dirprwy Weinidog a Llywodraeth Cymru wedi bod yn hyblyg iawn er mwyn ateb pryderon pobl. Mae rhai ohonom ni yma - [Torri ar draws. ] Rwy'n ddigon bodlon derbyn ymyriad gan Janet Finch-Saunders, ond rwyf yn ei chael hi'n anodd iawn ymdrin â sylwadau sydd wedi'u gwneud oddi ar eich eistedd. Os ydych chi'n dymuno ymyrryd -
English: I appreciate that. If I could just make the point clear: we did put 11 amendments in; only two really were considered.
Welsh: Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi hynny. Os caf i ddim ond gwneud y pwynt yn glir: fe wnaethom ni gyflwyno 11 o welliannau; dim ond dau a gafodd eu hystyried mewn gwirionedd.
English: It is one thing, I think, to have a process of scrutiny - it is, of course, the Government's right not to accept opposition amendments. I'm surprised that Janet Finch-Saunders appears to be surprised by that. In my opinion, the Deputy Minister has bent over backwards. So, to a certain extent, I disagree with her. I am disappointed that the children of Wales will not be protected as from tonight - that we will wait two years - but I understand why she's made that decision: she's made that decision to deal with the genuine concerns around implementation. Janet Finch-Saunders said that this is a first resort. This is not a first resort - we've been debating this in this place for the best part of 20 years. We would have passed this legislation -
Welsh: Un peth, yn fy marn i, yw cael proses graffu - mae hawl, wrth gwrs, gan y Llywodraeth i beidio â derbyn gwelliannau'r wrthblaid. Rwy'n synnu ei bod yn ymddangos bod Janet Finch-Saunders yn synnu at hynny. Yn fy marn i, mae'r Dirprwy Weinidog wedi bod yn hyblyg iawn. Felly, i ryw raddau, rwy'n anghytuno â hi. Rwy'n siomedig na fydd plant Cymru yn cael eu hamddiffyn o heno ymlaen - y byddwn ni'n aros am ddwy flynedd - ond rwyf i'n deall pam mae hi wedi gwneud y penderfyniad hwnnw: mae hi wedi gwneud y penderfyniad hwnnw i ymdrin â'r pryderon gwirioneddol ynghylch gweithredu. Dywedodd Janet Finch-Saunders mai dewis cyntaf yw hyn. Nid dewis cyntaf yw hwn - rydym ni wedi bod yn trafod hyn yn y lle hwn am bron i 20 mlynedd. Byddem ni wedi pasio'r ddeddfwriaeth hon -
English: I will take an intervention.
Welsh: Gwnaf, fe dderbyniaf ymyriad.
English: Thank you. I thank you for taking the intervention. I hear what you say, but I clearly don't agree with it. Because if we went along the trajectory that you're going on, it seems to me that what you're saying is that the personal is not political, and that, then, in turn, would clearly mean that all the legislation that we've had to protect people within their families from whatever form of abuse it might be - domestic abuse, incest et cetera - would never have happened, because, if I'm understanding you quite clearly, society wasn't yet ready for the changes.
Welsh: Diolch. Diolch i chi am dderbyn yr ymyriad. Clywaf yr hyn a ddywedwch, ond mae'n amlwg nad wyf i'n cytuno ag ef. Oherwydd pe byddem ni'n dilyn y trywydd yr ydych chi'n ei ddilyn, mae'n ymddangos i mi mai'r hyn yr ydych chi'n ei ddweud yw nad yw'r personol yn wleidyddol, ac y byddai hynny, yn ei dro, yn golygu'n amlwg na fyddai'r holl ddeddfwriaeth yr ydym ni wedi'i chael i ddiogelu pobl o fewn eu teuluoedd rhag pa bynnag fath o gam-drin a allai fod - cam-drin domestig, llosgach ac ati - erioed wedi digwydd, oherwydd os wyf yn eich deall yn gwbl glir, nid oedd cymdeithas eto'n barod ar gyfer y newidiadau.
English: Thank you. Can I now call the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to reply to the debate? Julie Morgan.
Welsh: Diolch. A gaf i alw nawr ar y Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol i ymateb i'r ddadl? Julie Morgan.
English: Thank you. In accordance with Standing Order 26.50C a recorded vote must be taken on a Stage 4 motion, and so I defer voting on the motion until voting time.
Welsh: Diolch. Yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 26.50C mae'n rhaid cymryd pleidlais wedi'i chofnodi ar gynnig Cyfnod 4, ac felly gohiriaf y pleidleisio ar y cynnig tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: We have reached voting time. Unless three Members wish for the bell to be rung, I intend to now proceed to the electronic vote. No. All right, okay.
Welsh: Rydym wedi cyrraedd y cyfnod pleidleisio. Oni bai bod tri aelod yn dymuno i'r gloch gael ei chanu, rwyf yn bwriadu symud ymlaen yn awr at y bleidlais electronig. Na. Popeth yn iawn, iawn.
English: So, we move to the vote on Stage 4 of the Children (Abolition of the Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill and I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Julie Morgan. Open the vote. Close the vote. For the motion 36, no abstentions, 14 against. Therefore, the motion is agreed. [ Applause.]
Welsh: Felly, symudwn at y bleidlais ar Gyfnod 4 o Fil Plant (Diddymu Amddiffyniad Cosb Resymol) (Cymru) a galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Julie Morgan. Agorwch y bleidlais. Caewch y bleidlais. O blaid y cynnig 36, neb yn ymatal, 14 yn erbyn. Felly, mae'r cynnig wedi ei dderbyn. [ Cymeradwyaeth.]
English: And that brings today's proceedings to a close. [ Applause.] And that's the day's proceedings to a close. Thank you.
Welsh: Ac mae hynny'n dod â thrafodion heddiw i ben. [ Cymeradwyaeth.] A dyna drafodion y dydd wedi dod i ben. Diolch.
English: [ Inaudible.] - in place of Rhun ap Iorwerth as a member of the committee. I'm sure we'd like to put on record our thanks for Rhun's contribution as a former member of this committee. Welcome also to David Melding, who's here substituting for Nick Ramsay. May I remind you that headsets are available to hear interpretation or for sound amplification? And may I ensure that you've all put any electronic devices on silent, including my own? And may I also ask if any Member has any declarations of interest? No.
Welsh: [ Anghlywadwy.] - Rhun ap Iorwerth fel aelod o'r pwyllgor. Dwi'n siŵr ein bod ni eisiau rhoi ar record ein diolch i Rhun am ei gyfraniad ef fel cyn aelod o'r pwyllgor erbyn hyn. Croeso hefyd i David Melding, sydd gyda ni eto'n dirprwyo ar ran Nick Ramsay. Gaf i eich atgoffa chi bod yna glustffonau ar gael ar gyfer y cyfieithu neu i addasu lefel y sain? A gaf i sicrhau bod pob un wedi diffodd y sain ar unrhyw ddyfeisiau electronig, gan gynnwys fi fy hun? A gaf i ofyn os oes gan unrhyw Aelod unrhyw fuddiannau i'w datgan? Nac oes. Iawn.
English: Therefore, there are a few papers to note this morning, which are the minutes of the meetings held on 9 January and 15 January, as well as a letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services on the financial implications of the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill. Are you happy to note those papers? Everyone's happy. Right, then.
Welsh: Ymlaen â ni, felly. Mae yna ambell i bapur i'w nodi, sef cofnodion y cyfarfod ar 9 Ionawr eleni a chofnodion y cyfarfod ar 15 Ionawr eleni, ynghyd â phapur i'w nodi sy'n lythyr gan y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol ynglŷn â goblygiadau ariannol y Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Ansawdd ac Ymgysylltu) (Cymru). Ydych chi'n hapus i nodi'r papurau yna? Pawb yn hapus. Dyna ni. Reit.
English: We'll move to our main item, which is our evidence session on the Local Government and Elections (Wales) Bill. I'm very pleased to welcome to the committee this morning: Jon Rae, who is the director of resources at the Welsh Local Government Association; Councillor Anthony Hunt, who's a spokesperson for finance and resources with the WLGA; and also Daniel Hurford, who is the head of policy at the WLGA. Welcome to all three of you this morning. We'll go straight to questions, if we may? I'll begin this morning by highlighting that one of the main reasons for introducing the draft local government Bill in the Fourth Assembly was to transform local government because of the need to address financial challenges specifically. Now, to what extent do you think that that is one of the key principles of the Bill in front of us today?
Welsh: Rydym ni'n cyrraedd prif eitem ein cyfarfod ni y bore yma, felly, sef i dderbyn ein sesiwn gyntaf ni o dystiolaeth ar y Bil Llywodraeth Leol ac Etholiadau (Cymru). Mae'n bleser gen i groesawu atom ni y bore yma: Jon Rae, cyfarwyddwr adnoddau Cymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru; y Cynghorydd Anthony Hunt, sydd yn llefarydd cyllid ac adnoddau gyda Cymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru; a hefyd Daniel Hurford, sydd yn bennaeth polisi gyda Cymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru. Croeso i'r tri ohonoch chi. Mi awn ni'n syth i gwestiynau, os ydy hynny'n iawn? Fe wnaf i gychwyn, os caf i, gan amlygu mai un o'r prif resymau dros gyflwyno'r Bil llywodraeth leol drafft a gyhoeddwyd yn ystod y Pedwerydd Cynulliad oedd yr angen i drawsnewid llywodraeth leol oherwydd bod angen cwrdd â heriau ariannol yn benodol. Nawr, i ba raddau ydych chi'n credu mai dyna yw un o egwyddorion y Bil yma sydd ger ein bron ni heddiw?
English: Okay. We'll come to some of the individual details of the costs around specific parts of the Bill in due course. But there are a number of areas in the Bill that have not been costed, on the basis that they are enabling powers that are given to Ministers, and it is difficult to foresee what use might be made of those powers and link costs to that activity. So, are you concerned maybe that there are some unknown costs associated with the Bill, that are not apparent based on what we have at the moment, but that may be a cost for local government and others further down the line?
Welsh: Ocê. Mi ddown ni at rai o'r manylion unigol ynglŷn â chostau o gwmpas rhannau penodol o'r Bil yma yn nes ymlaen. Ond mae yna nifer o feysydd yn y Bil, wrth gwrs, sydd ddim wedi cael eu costio, ar y cyfan oherwydd eu bod nhw'n bwerau galluogi sy'n cael eu rhoi i Weinidogion, ac mae'n anodd rhagweld pa ddefnydd fydd yn cael ei wneud o'r pwerau yna a dod â chostau i gysylltu â'r gweithgaredd yna. Felly, ydych chi'n pryderu efallai bod yna gostau cudd sy'n gysylltiedig â'r Bil, sydd ddim i'w gweld o safbwynt yr hyn sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd, ond efallai fydd yn gost i awdurdodau lleol ac eraill ymhellach i lawr y lein?
English: Good morning. In your evidence to the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee you discussed the petitions system that is proposed by this legislation and you argued that it would be less resource intensive than the system of holding community polls, as happens at present. Could you expand on that and what's the difference between those two systems?
Welsh: Bore da. Yn eich tystiolaeth chi i'r Pwyllgor Cydraddoldeb, Llywodraeth Leol a Chymunedau fe fuoch chi'n trafod y system ddeisebau sy'n cael ei chynnig gan y ddeddfwriaeth yma ac yn dadlau y bydd hynny'n costio llai na'r system o gynnal pleidleisiau cymunedol, fel sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd. A fedrwch chi ymhelaethu ar hynny a sut ydych chi'n gweld y gwahaniaeth rhwng y ddwy system?
English: Okay. So there are savings to be made in moving to a petitions system, certainly, but we don't know how much.
Welsh: Ocê. Felly mae yna arbedion i'w gwneud wrth symud i system ddeisebau, yn bendant, ond dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod faint.
English: Okay. Turning now to the broadcasting of meetings electronically, and you mentioned this earlier, I think that you feel that the regulatory impact assessment underestimates the costs in that context.
Welsh: Ocê. Gan droi at ddarlledu cyfarfodydd yn electronig, ac rydych chi wedi sôn am hwnna gynnau, dwi'n credu eich bod chi'n teimlo bod yr asesiad effaith rheoleiddiol yn rhoi amcangyfrif rhy isel o'r costau yn y cyswllt yma.
English: I'm sorry.
Welsh: Mae'n flin gen i.
English: Are there examples of other places - ? On the point that Mike has raised, are there other examples where you disagree with the estimates of the Government at present? We need to be aware if there are other places that are going to cost quite a lot more than what the Government talks about.
Welsh: A oes yna enghreifftiau o lefydd eraill - ? O ran y pwynt y mae Mike wedi ei wneud, a oes yna enghreifftiau eraill lle rydych chi'n anghytuno efo amcangyfrifon y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd? Rydym ni angen bod yn ymwybodol os oes yna lefydd eraill, efallai, sy'n mynd i gostio dipyn yn fwy nag y maen nhw'n sôn amdanyn nhw.
English: Have you considered what the implications of the requirements around remote attendance will be for local authorities and to what extent do local authorities already have the technical capabilities to offer this? That is, are there costs that we don't foresee related to this aspect of proceedings?
Welsh: A ydych chi wedi ystyried beth fydd goblygiadau'r gofynion yn ymwneud â phresenoldeb o bell o safbwynt awdurdodau lleol ac i ba raddau y mae'r gallu technegol gan awdurdodau lleol i gynnig hynny'n barod? Hynny yw, a oes yna gostau dydyn ni ddim yn eu rhagweld ynghlwm efo'r agwedd yma hefyd?
English: So there are no major capital costs related to this and to the technology. The equipment is there, but it's just the signal and so forth that's the problem.
Welsh: Iawn. Felly, does yna ddim costau cyfalaf mawr ynglwm â hwn na'r dechnoleg. Mae'r offer yna, jest y signal ac yn y blaen yw'r broblem.
English: Thank you very much. Mark.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Mark.
English: Thank you very much for your attendance this morning. You'll get a copy of the transcript just to ensure that it's accurate, and if there are any issues, please come back to us. But thank you very much for your evidence. It has been very beneficial. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am eich presenoldeb bore yma. Mi gewch chi gopi o'r transcript jest i wneud yn siŵr ei fod e'n gywir, ac os oes yna unrhyw issues yn amlwg dewch nôl atom ni. Ond diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am eich tystiolaeth. Mae wedi bod yn fuddiol iawn. Diolch yn fawr.
English: We'll therefore go into private session now. So, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42 (vi), I propose that the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Are Members content to do that? Fine. Thank you very much. We'll go into private session. Thank you.
Welsh: Mi awn ni felly i mewn i sesiwn breifat. Felly'n unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.42 (vi) dwi'n cynnig bod y pwyllgor yn gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Ydy'r Aelodau yn hapus i wneud hynny? Iawn. Diolch yn fawr. Mi awn ni i sesiwn breifat felly. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Good morning, all, and welcome to the latest meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here in the Senedd.
Welsh: Bore da i chi i gyd a chroeso i gyfarfod diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd.
English: Unfortunately, under item 1 and 2, the witness that was supposed to attend at 09:30 hasn't appeared. So, that causes a slight problem in our dealing with the first session. So, we have no choice but to suspend things as soon as they've started, really. We'll have a break now and return at 10:30. So, with apologies to my fellow Members, I'll open the meeting again in public at 10:30. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Yn anffodus, o dan eitem 1 ac eitem 2, nid yw'r tyst a oedd i fod yma am 09:30 wedi ymddangos bellach, felly mae hynny'n rhoi inni ychydig bach o broblem yn ymdrin â'r sesiwn gyntaf. Felly, dwi'n credu does yna ddim dewis gyda ni ond i atal pethau mor fuan ag y maen nhw wedi dechrau, a dweud y gwir, a bydd yn rhaid cael egwyl nawr a dod yn ôl am 10:30. Felly, gydag ymddiheuriadau i'm cyd-Aelodau, fe wnaf i agor y cyfarfod eto'n gyhoeddus am 10:30. Diolch yn fawr.