English: Of course, I agree with that, and I said earlier that we need to make the right thing to do the easiest thing to do. We need public transport to be on the doorstep for people to turn up and go. And one of the purposes of redirecting our roads pipeline is to free up finance in future years to allow that investment to take place. We are suffering at the moment from past decisions and from, as you said rightly, a fragmented and privatised public transport system, and, of course, the headwinds of COVID, which has caused real damage. He's absolutely right about the lack of joined-up thinking about placing services at out-of-town sites, and we need to stop that, and that's one of the things that the roads review makes very clear. Julie James and I have been working on the new 'town centre first' policy statement, which will be published soon, which has, at its core, the need for the public sector, in particular, to join up and think about where it places its services so that it strengthens town centres, and it doesn't occur to drag them out into out-of-town centres where no thought has been given to public transport. He is right; that example is a scar on the record of joined-up thinking in the public sector. In terms of the private sector, Julie James has already published a new planning policy, 'Future Wales', which makes those sorts of developments out of line with policy. In terms of alternatives, we have provided and trialed the 'fflecsi' demand-responsive bus in Blaenau Gwent, and the results in different settings have been very encouraging. It's been different in the different places we've trialed it. We've got some good data that we're now evaluating. The challenge then will be to spread and scale, but, as ever, when the budgets are as they are as a result of austerity, which is a political choice by the Government in London, we don't have the resources to do all the things that we want to do. And the specific example that he quotes of the bus service in Blaenau Gwent, which, as he knows, we've tried very hard to put a publicly-subsidised bus in there, but it has been challenged by a commercial operator, and that's one of the reasons why we are re-regulating the bus network to make sure that there's a coherence to the transport system, and is not left to the randomness of the market.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, rwy'n cytuno â hynny, a dywedais i yn gynharach bod angen i ni wneud y peth iawn i wneud y peth hawsaf i'w wneud. Rydyn ni angen trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus ar garreg y drws i bobl gyrraedd a mynd. Ac un o ddibenion ailgyfeirio ein llif prosiectau ffyrdd yw rhyddhau cyllid yn y blynyddoedd i ddod er mwyn caniatáu i'r buddsoddiad hwnnw ddigwydd. Rydyn ni'n dioddef ar hyn o bryd o benderfyniadau'r gorffennol ac o, fel y gwnaethoch chi ddweud yn gywir, system drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus dameidiog a phreifat, ac, wrth gwrs, effaith COVID, sydd wedi achosi niwed go iawn. Mae e'n hollol iawn am y diffyg meddwl cydgysylltiedig am osod gwasanaethau mewn safleoedd y tu allan i'r dref, ac mae angen i ni atal hynny, ac mae hynny'n un o'r pethau mae'r adolygiad ffyrdd yn ei wneud yn glir iawn. Mae Julie James a minnau wedi bod yn gweithio ar ddatganiad polisi newydd 'canol tref yn gyntaf', a fydd yn cael ei gyhoeddi'n fuan, sydd yn cynnwys, wrth ei wraidd, yr angen i'r sector cyhoeddus, yn benodol, ymuno a meddwl lle mae'n gosod ei gwasanaethau fel ei fod yn cryfhau canol trefi, ac nad yw'n eu llusgo allan i ganolfannau y tu allan i drefi lle nad oes unrhyw ystyriaeth wedi'i roi i drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus. Mae'n iawn; mae'r enghraifft honno'n graith ar gofnod meddwl cydgysylltiedig yn y sector cyhoeddus. O ran y sector breifat, mae Julie James eisoes wedi cyhoeddi polisi cynllunio newydd, 'Cymru'r Dyfodol', sydd yn gwneud y mathau hynny o ddatblygiadau yn anghyson â pholisi. O ran dewisiadau eraill, rydyn ni wedi darparu a threialu'r bws 'fflecsi' sy'n ymateb i'r galw ym Mlaenau Gwent, ac mae'r canlyniadau mewn lleoliadau gwahanol wedi bod yn galonogol iawn. Mae wedi bod yn wahanol yn y gwahanol lefydd rydyn ni wedi ei dreialu. Mae gennym ni ddata da rydyn ni nawr yn ei werthuso. Yr her wedyn fydd lledaenu a datblygu, ond, fel erioed, pan fydd y cyllidebau fel y maen nhw o ganlyniad i gyni, sy'n ddewis gwleidyddol gan y Llywodraeth yn Llundain, nid oes gennym ni'r adnoddau i wneud yr holl bethau rydyn ni am eu gwneud. A'r enghraifft benodol y mae'n dyfynnu o'r gwasanaeth bws ym Mlaenau Gwent, rydyn ni, fel mae'n gwybod, wedi ymdrechu'n galed iawn i roi bws sy'n derbyn cymhorthdal cyhoeddus yno, ond mae wedi cael ei herio gan weithredwr masnachol, a dyna un o'r rhesymau pam ein bod ni'n ail-reoleiddio'r rhwydwaith bysiau i wneud yn siŵr bod cydlyniad i'r system drafnidiaeth, ac nad yw'n cael ei adael i natur ar hap y farchnad.