techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Thank you, Chair. Well, there have been questions on a number of issues already. I just want assurances, really, on the core material that's in this archive, in the first place - that there's no danger of losing that material. I hear what you're saying about everything being digitised, but I also agree with Jenny about the accessibility of this material for the public. Not everybody can attend and get hold of material that's been digitised. But I want assurances that this archive is not going to be lost. That's my concern. We can be arguing about money and who's funding and the lottery and what's been devolved or not been devolved, but what I don't want to see is this archive being lost. So, can you provide us with assurances that this archive is not going to be lost?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Gadeirydd. Wel, mae nifer o bethau wedi'u cwestiynu eisoes. Rydw i jest eisiau'r sicrwydd ynglŷn â'r deunydd crai sydd yn yr archif yma, yn y lle cyntaf - na fuasai perygl o golli hynny. Rydw i'n clywed beth rydych yn ei ddweud ynglŷn â bod y pethau i gyd wedi cael eu digideiddio, ond hefyd rydw i'n cytuno â Jenny ynglŷn â hygyrchedd y pethau yma i'r cyhoedd. Nid pawb sy'n gallu mynychu a chael gafael mewn stwff sydd wedi ei ddigideiddio. Ond rydw i eisiau sicrwydd bod yr archif yma, doed a ddelo, ddim yn mynd i gael ei cholli. Dyna ydy fy mhryder i. Medrwn ni fod yn dadlau ynglŷn ag arian a phwy sy'n ariannu a loteri a beth sydd wedi cael ei ddatganoli neu ddim wedi cael ei ddatganoli, ond beth rydw i ddim eisiau ei weld ydy colli'r archif yma. Wedyn, ŷch chi yn gallu rhoi sicrwydd i ni fod yr archif yma ddim yn mynd i gael ei cholli?
English: Well, safeguarding its own archive is a matter for the BBC, as far as I'm concerned, in the first instance. It would be very strange if the BBC did anything to destroy the core material of their archive. Nobody from the BBC has suggested that they will do that. Of course, there has been a change in terms of the location of BBC Wales in the centre of Cardiff, and that might have placed some pressure on the timing of this decision to - . But you would have to ask the BBC about that. But I don't think that you can ask me - you wouldn't ask me to give assurances about any other archive in Wales. This archive belongs to a non-devolved organisation, and it's clear to me that that is an important constitutional issue - not to spend Welsh funds excessively or unnecessarily where a non-devolved body doesn't take responsibility for its own activities within Wales, and I can't believe that the BBC is in that situation. That's a matter for them.
Welsh: Wel, mater i'r BBC ydy diogelu eu harchif eu hunain, cyn belled ag rydw i yn y cwestiwn, yn y lle cyntaf. Mi fuasai o'n rhyfedd iawn pe byddai'r BBC yn gwneud unrhyw beth i ddifetha deunydd crai yr archif sydd gyda nhw. Nid oes yna neb o'r BBC wedi awgrymu i fi eu bod nhw'n mynd i wneud hynny. Wrth gwrs, mae yna newid wedi digwydd ynglŷn â lleoliad BBC Cymru yng nghanol Caerdydd, ac mae'n bosib bod hynny wedi bod yn bwysau ar amseriad y penderfyniad yma i geisio - . Rhaid i chi ofyn i'r BBC ynglŷn â hynny. Ond nid wyf yn credu y gallwch chi ofyn i fi - ni fyddech chi'n gofyn i fi am roi sicrwydd am unrhyw archif arall yng Nghymru. Mae'r archif yma yn perthyn i gorff sydd heb ei ddatganoli, ac mae'n amlwg i mi fod hynny'n fater cyfansoddiadol pwysig - i beidio â gwario arian Cymru yn ormodol nac yn ddiangen, lle nad ydy corff sydd heb ei ddatganoli ddim yn cymryd cyfrifoldeb dros ei weithgaredd yng Nghymru, ac ni fedraf gredu bod y BBC yn y sefyllfa yna. Mater iddyn nhw ydy hyn.
English: Naturally, I take the point that we are where we are with what's been devolved and what's non-devolved, and, some of us, perhaps, will have different views on whether broadcasting should be devolved or not. And I'm also hearing what you're saying about the digital world - it doesn't matter if it's devolved or not, it is worldwide. So, there is some confusion, perhaps, regarding that argument. But what's important is that you're a Minister for culture. You can't just sit there and say, 'The future of this archive is a matter for the BBC, and, as Minister for culture, I'm not going to have a position on this at all.' Because what I want is assurance that this archive is going to continue. Whoever's fault it is, you have a responsibility as a Minister.
Welsh: Yn naturiol, rydw i'n cymryd y pwynt ein bod ni lle'r ydym ni efo beth sydd wedi cael ei ddatganoli a beth sydd ddim wedi ei ddatganoli ac, efallai, bydd rhai ohonom ni yn amrywio'n barn ynglŷn ag a ddylai darlledu gael ei ddatganoli ai peidio. A hefyd rydw i'n clywed beth rydych chi'n ei ddweud o ran y byd digidol - nid oes gwahaniaeth a yw'n cael ei ddatganoli neu beidio, mae'n fyd-eang. Wedyn, mae rhyw ddryswch, efallai, ynglŷn â'r ddadl yna. Ond beth sy'n bwysig ydy hyn: rydych chi'n Weinidog dros ddiwylliant. Ni fedrwch chi jest bod yn eistedd yn fanna ac yn dweud, 'Mater yn unig i'r BBC yw dyfodol yr archif yma. Rydw i, fel Gweinidog diwylliant, ddim yn mynd i roi safbwynt ynglŷn â'r peth yma o gwbl.' Achos beth rydw i eisiau ydy sicrwydd bod yr archif yma yn mynd i bara. Bai pwy bynnag yw e, mae gyda chi gyfrifoldeb fel Gweinidog.
English: Well, that's why I've asked officials to discuss this situation to try and resolve it and they've been doing that since last autumn, and the negotiations continue.
Welsh: Wel, dyna pam fy mod i wedi gofyn i swyddogion drafod y sefyllfa yma, i geisio ei datrys hi, ers yr hydref diwethaf, ac mae'r trafodaethau yn dal i fynd ymlaen.
English: And you're confident that the discussions are going to have a successful outcome?
Welsh: Ac rydych chi'n hyderus bod y trafodaethau yn mynd i ddod i ganlyniad llwyddiannus?
English: I don't know. That depends on partners, doesn't it? Clearly, in what I'm saying today, I'm preaching not just to you but to the BBC too.
Welsh: Nid ydw i'n gwybod. Mae hynny'n dibynnu ar y partneriaid, onid ydyw? Mae'n amlwg o beth rydw i'n ei ddweud heddiw rydw i'n pregethu nid jest ichi ond i'r BBC hefyd.
English: The people of Wales are out there, and quite a lot of attention has been given to this, and they also want to have the same assurances that a national resource, an invaluable one, is not going to be lost and that you as a Minister are not going to just sit there and allow this to happen.
Welsh: Ie, wel, mae pobl Cymru allan yn fanna - mae yna gryn dipyn o sylw wedi cael ei roi i hyn - hefyd eisiau cael yr un un sicrwydd fod yna adnodd cenedlaethol, amhrisiadwy ddim yn mynd i gael ei golli a'ch bod chi fel Gweinidog ddim jest yn mynd i eistedd yn fanna a gadael i'r golled yna fynd rhagddi.
English: But on the other hand, why should Welsh taxpayers, out of the Welsh block, pay for something that belongs to someone else if they're not willing to take their own responsibility for it, or part of their responsibility for it? That is the basis of this discussion.
Welsh: Ie, ond ar y llaw arall, pam ddylai trethdalwyr Cymru, allan o floc Cymru, dalu am rywbeth sy'n perthyn i bobl eraill os nad ydyn nhw'n fodlon derbyn eu cyfrifoldeb amdano fo, neu ran o'u cyfrifoldeb? Dyna ydy sail y drafodaeth.
English: I understand the basis of this discussion, but are you willing to allow this whole project to fail, therefore?
Welsh: Rydw i'n deall sail y drafodaeth ond a ydych chi hefyd yn mynd i fod yn barod i jest adael i'r holl fenter yma ffaelu, felly?
English: Well, who's allowing this to fail? There are discussions ongoing. That's the whole point.
Welsh: Pwy sy'n gadael i bethau ffaelu? Mae yna drafodaethau'n mynd yn eu blaen. Dyna'r holl bwynt.
English: I think the point's been made. Dai, do you want to continue?
Welsh: Rwy'n credu bod y pwynt wedi cael ei wneud. Dai, a ydych chi eisiau gofyn unrhyw beth - ?
English: No. I'm happy with the questions I've already asked.
Welsh: Na, na. Rwy'n hapus efo beth sydd wedi cael ei ofyn.
English: Could I ask: have you asked the library to ask the DCMS for the £1 million? If you're saying, as you have said quite clearly here, that it is an element that is non-devolved, do you think therefore that there is a place for the DCMS to play the role of the Welsh Government in discussions between the HLF and the library, as the Welsh Government doesn't own the devolved powers? Have you discussed that with them?
Welsh: A allaf i ofyn, a ydych chi wedi gofyn i'r llyfrgell i ofyn i DCMS am y £1 filiwn? Os ydych chi'n dweud, fel yr ydych chi wedi ei ddweud yn eithaf clir yma, ei bod hi'n elfen nad ydyw wedi'i datganoli, a ydych chi'n credu felly wedyn fod yna le i'r DCMS chwarae rôl Llywodraeth Cymru yn y trafodaethau rhwng yr HLF, rhwng y llyfrgell, gan nad ydyw Llywodraeth Cymru yn berchen ar y pwerau datganoledig? A ydych chi wedi trafod gyda nhw, felly?
English: I can't respond to such a question because I don't believe the DCMS for one moment would enter into any discussions on funding what the BBC does in Wales.
Welsh: Fedraf i ddim ateb cwestiwn fel yna oherwydd nad ydw i'n credu y byddai DCMS am foment yn mynd i mewn i unrhyw drafodaethau ynglŷn â chyllido beth mae'r BBC yn ei wneud yng Nghymru.
English: I was simply asking the question because there has been a lot of focus -
Welsh: Iawn. Ocê. Gofyn y cwestiwn oeddwn i gan fod yna lot o ffocws -
English: Well, there are many people to question following this session today. Thank you very much for joining us. If we do need to write to you again, we will do that and we will ensure that all Members receive copies of that evidence. Thank you for joining us this morning. We will now take a five-minute break. Thank you.
Welsh: Mae yna lot o bobl i ofyn pethau iddynt ar ôl y sesiwn yma heddiw. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am ddod mewn atom. Os oes yna angen inni ysgrifennu atoch chi eto, mae'n siŵr y gwnawn ni, a sicrhau bod pob Aelod yn cael golwg ar y dystiolaeth honno. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am ddod mewn atom heddiw. Byddwn ni'n cymryd seibiant o bum munud nawr. Diolch.
English: Welcome back to the committee, and we're moving on now to item 3, supporting and promoting the Welsh language: an inquiry into the legislative, policy and wider context. We have witnesses with us today. They are Teresa Owen, who is here on video link, if Members can communicate and say 'hello'. She's the executive director of public health at Betsi Cadwaladr university health board. And with us here we have Sue Ball, assistant director of organisational development, from the Aneurin Bevan university health board. Welcome to you both today. If it's okay with you, we'll go straight into questions, and then Members will ask questions on different themes as part of that context. The first question I have is on the general impact of 2011 Measure on Welsh speakers' rights. The Welsh NHS Confederation notes that this has provided a stronger base for organisations to build on, and we would want to understand from you how that happens on a day-to-day basis. Sue, would you want to lead on this, or Teresa perhaps? Teresa Owen?
Welsh: Croeso'n ôl i'r pwyllgor, ac rydym ni'n symud ymlaen nawr at eitem 3, cefnogi a hybu'r Gymraeg: ymchwiliad i gyd-destun deddfwriaethol y polisi yma ac yn ehangach. Y tystion yma heddiw yw Teresa Owen - sydd yma ar linc fideo, os gall Aelodau gyfathrebu a dweud 'helo' - cyfarwyddwr gweithredol iechyd y cyhoedd, bwrdd iechyd prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr. Ac yma gyda ni mae Sue Ball, cyfarwyddwr cynorthwyol, datblygu sefydliadol, bwrdd iechyd prifysgol Aneurin Bevan. Croeso ichi'ch dwy yma heddiw. Os yw'n iawn gyda chi, awn ni'n syth i mewn i gwestiynau, ac wedyn bydd Aelodau'n gofyn cwestiynau ar themâu gwahanol yn rhan o'r cyd-destun hwnnw. Y cwestiwn cyntaf sydd gen i yw un ar effaith gyffredinol Mesur 2011 a hawliau siaradwyr Cymraeg. Mae cydffederasiwn y sefydliad iechyd yn dweud bod hyn yn rhoi sylfaen gryfach i sefydliadau allu adeiladu arni, a byddem ni eisiau deall gennych chi sut mae hynny'n digwydd o ddydd i ddydd. Sue, a ydych chi eisiau arwain, neu Teresa? Teresa Owen?
English: I will go first if you like. We as a health board do welcome the official status afforded to the Welsh language now. That is something to be welcomed by our staff members and, more importantly, by our patients and the wider population. Certainly, we see the fact that the rights of individuals in using the Welsh language are being enhanced, and that's positive, and we do see that there's been a change of landscape within our area in north Wales, in terms of the use of the Welsh language and ensuring that we're able to use the language in all contexts, and that it's not treated any less favourably than the English language. That's all positive, of course, and I do think it's important, in terms of the Measure, that there will be consistency for our patients and the wider population across Wales. But for us, what's important at the moment is that we haven't started with standards yet. We've done preparatory work. We've only been given the compliance notice. I do not know if you can hear me - I see people using the equipment - .
Welsh: Af i'n gyntaf os ydych chi eisiau. Rydym ni fel bwrdd iechyd, wrth gwrs, yn croesawu'r statws swyddogol sydd yna erbyn hyn i'r iaith Gymraeg. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth i'w groesawu i'n haelodau staff, yn bwysicach fyth, i'n poblogaeth ni ac i'n cleifion ni. Yn bendant, rydym ni'n gweld y ffaith bod hawliau unigolion i ddefnyddio Cymraeg yn cael eu cynyddu - mae hynny'n beth da - ac rydym ni'n gweld bod newid tirwedd wedi digwydd o fewn ein hardal ni yng ngogledd Cymru, o ran defnyddio'r Gymraeg a sicrhau ein bod ni'n gallu ei defnyddio hi, mewn ffordd, a bod y Gymraeg ddim yn cael ei thrin yn llai ffafriol na'r Saesneg. Mae'r rheini i gyd yn bethau positif. Ac rydw i'n meddwl ei fod o'n bwysig, o ran y Mesur, mi fydd yna gysondeb i'n cleifion ni ac i'n poblogaeth ni ar draws Cymru. Ond, wrth gwrs, inni, beth sy'n bwysig ar hyn o bryd ydy nad ydym ni wedi dechrau efo'r safonau go iawn hyd yn hyn. Gwaith paratoi rydym ni wedi bod yn ei wneud. Newydd gael yr hysbysiad cydymffurfio ydym ni. Nid ydw i'n gwybod os ydych chi'n ein clywed ni - rydw i'n gweld pobl yn defnyddio'r offer - .
English: No. We'll have to go into a private session now because there are some problems with the sound. We'll go into private session for two minutes.
Welsh: Na. Rydym ni'n mynd i fynd i mewn i sesiwn breifat nawr achos mae yna broblemau gyda'r sain. So, awn ni i mewn i sesiwn breifat am ddwy funud.
English: Apologies for that break - we had technical problems, for those of you who are watching from your homes in Wales. We're going to return to the question, namely to ask you what the impact of the 2011 Measure on Welsh speakers' rights is? Do you think that it has moved the position to one where people can use the language more in the field of health? I know, Teresa Owen, that you have started to try to answer that question. If you could continue, I'd appreciate it greatly.
Welsh: Ymddiheuriadau am y seibiant hynny - roedd problemau technegol wedi digwydd, i'r nifer ohonoch chi oedd yn gwylio o'ch cartrefi yma yng Nghymru. Rŷm ni'n mynd i fynd yn ôl at y cwestiwn, sef gofyn ichi beth yw effaith Mesur 2011 ar hawliau siaradwyr Cymraeg. A ydych chi'n credu ei fod wedi'n symud at sefyllfa lle mae pobl yn teimlo eu bod nhw'n gallu defnyddio'r iaith yn fwy ym maes iechyd? Rwy'n gwybod, Teresa Owen, eich bod chi wedi dechrau ceisio ateb y cwestiwn yna. Pe baech chi'n gallu parhau, byddwn i'n gwerthfawrogi hynny'n fawr.
English: Thank you very much. We, as a health board, welcome the Measure. Certainly, the official status for the Welsh language is important, and it's something to be welcomed. Of course, it does enhance the rights of our population and, more importantly, our patients in terms of using the Welsh language on a daily basis. The Measure has changed the landscape already, in terms of securing the place of the Welsh language and the fact that we're not going to be dealing the Welsh language less favourably than the English language. But, of course, it's early days for us as a health board with the Welsh language standards - we've only just received the compliance notice in terms of the standards, and they don't come into force until the end of May of this year. So, at the moment, it's difficult to know what the impact for us, as a health sector, will be. But, certainly, we see it as a positive step, and we have been working for two years now to prepare for the implementation of standards so that we can ensure that our services respond appropriately to the standards and that we can improve provision to patients and the population more widely here in north Wales.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydym ni, fel bwrdd iechyd, yn croesawu'r Mesur. Yn bendant, mae'r statws swyddogol i'r Gymraeg yn bwysig, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth i'w groesawu. Wrth gwrs, mae'n cynyddu hawliau ein poblogaeth ni ac, yn bwysicach fyth, ein cleifion ni o ran defnyddio'r Gymraeg bob dydd. Mae'r Mesur wedi newid y dirwedd yn barod wrth sicrhau'r Gymraeg a'i lle hi, a'r ffaith ein bod ni ddim yn mynd i ddelio efo'r Gymraeg yn llai ffafriol nag yr ydym ni efo'r Saesneg. Ond, wrth gwrs, dyddiau cynnar ydyn nhw i ni, fel bwrdd iechyd, efo'r safonau ar hyn o bryd - newydd dderbyn yr hysbysiad cydymffurfio ydym ni, o ran y safonau, ac ni fyddan nhw'n dod i rym tan ddiwedd mis Mai eleni. Felly, ar hyn o bryd, mae'n anodd gwybod yn iawn beth fydd yr effaith i ni, fel sector iechyd. Ond, yn bendant, rŷm ni'n ei weld o fel cam positif, ac rydym ni wedi bod yn gweithio ers dwy flynedd rŵan i wneud yn siŵr ein bod ni'n paratoi ar gyfer y safonau fel ein bod ni'n gallu gwneud yn siŵr bod ein gwasanaethau ni yn ymateb yn briodol o ran y safonau, a'n bod ni'n gallu gwella'r ddarpariaeth i'n cleifion ac i'r boblogaeth yma yng ngogledd Cymru.
English: Thank you for that. Can you tell us what are the positive and less positive characteristics of the Measure? What is working well and what, perhaps, isn't working as well and what needs to be changed within the Measure as it stands? Teresa.
Welsh: Diolch am hynny. A allwch chi ddweud wrthym ni beth yw nodweddion cadarnhaol a llai cadarnhaol y Mesur? Beth sydd yn gweithio'n dda a beth sydd, efallai, ddim yn gweithio mor dda â hynny ac sydd angen ei newid o fewn y Mesur, fel y mae? Teresa.
English: Thank you. I think the important thing is status - that's a very positive thing and it's excellent in terms of our population. But, certainly, what happens on the ground is what will make the real difference. That's what we want to see - that people are aware that they can access services through the medium of Welsh and that they can use their language skills, and, likewise, that our staff should be given support and assistance to use the Welsh language within the workplace so that we can improve the services that we provide. We know that people find it easier to speak in their mother tongue, and that provides some health benefits to them. I think that consistency is the other thing that's important, in terms of the Measure - that there is consistency across Wales. I think the work that we've done to date is constructive, with the language schemes. Things have improved over a period of years, but, with standards, we will have that consistency in place. Of course, regulation puts us in a different position for the future. I do think that things have improved over the years. The commissioner's reports demonstrate that, and we've certainly seen that within the health board. There's a staff survey carried out periodically, and we have seen more staff coming to understand the importance of the Welsh language since 2016. So, I do think that the Measure is going to be positive for us, but we also need to promote the language as well as regulate it.
Welsh: Diolch. Rwy'n meddwl mai'r peth pwysig yw cael statws - mae'n hynod o bwysig ac mae hynny'n wych o ran ein poblogaeth ni. Ond, yn bendant, beth sy'n digwydd go iawn ar lawr gwlad - dyna beth sy'n mynd i wneud gwahaniaeth. Dyna'r ydym ni eisiau ei weld - bod pobl yn gwybod eu bod nhw'n gallu cael gwasanaethau yn y Gymraeg, a'u bod nhw'n gallu defnyddio eu sgiliau ieithyddol, ac, yn yr un modd, fod ein staff ni'n cael help a chymorth ynglŷn â defnyddio'r iaith o fewn y gweithle fel ein bod ni'n gallu gwella'r gwasanaethau yr ydym ni'n eu cynnig. Rydym ni'n gwybod bod pobl yn ei gweld hi'n rhwydd siarad yn eu mamiaith, ac mae hynny'n gwneud gwelliannau o ran eu hiechyd nhw. Rwy'n meddwl mai cysondeb ydy'r peth arall sydd yn bwysig o ran y Mesur - fod yna gysondeb ar draws Cymru. Rwy'n meddwl bod y gwaith rydym ni wedi'i wneud hyd yn hyn yn adeiladol, efo'r cynlluniau iaith. Mae pethau wedi bod yn gwella dros nifer o flynyddoedd, ond efo'r safonau bydd y cysondeb yna'n dod yn ei le. Wrth gwrs, mae rheoleiddio yn ein rhoi ni mewn lle gwahanol at y dyfodol. Rwy'n meddwl bod pethau wedi gwella dros y blynyddoedd. Mae adroddiadau'r comisiynydd yn dangos hynny, ac, yn bendant, rydym ni wedi gweld hynny o fewn y bwrdd iechyd. Mae survey o'r staff yn cael ei wneud bob hyn a hyn, ac rydym ni wedi gweld mwy o staff yn deall pwysigrwydd y Gymraeg ers 2016 at rŵan. Wedyn, rwy'n meddwl bod y Mesur yn rhywbeth sy'n mynd i fod yn bositif i ni, ond mae hefyd angen inni fod yn hybu'r iaith yn ogystal â rheoleiddio'r iaith.
English: My final question is to ask you to explain what the NHS confederation meant by its statement that many of the objectives of the new policy frameworks could be achieved organically in conjunction with supportive staff. What does that mean to you, that this can happen in an organic way? Teresa or Sue. Teresa.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn olaf sydd gen i yw esbonio beth roedd datganiad cydffederasiwn y GIG yn golygu - y gellid cyflawni llawer o amcanion y fframweithiau polisi newydd yn organig ar y cyd â staff cefnogol. Beth mae hynny'n golygu i chi, fod hyn yn gallu digwydd mewn ffordd organig? Teresa neu Sue. Teresa.