English: I'll tell you this: what the real motivating factor is - . I'll send you the - [Interruption.] I'll send you the evidence. The real motivating factor is this: it's austerity meeting inhumanity. The Government's own forecasts have shown that HMP Berwyn is going to be the cheapest prison to run in England and Wales. That's effectively what it is. It's a big box, but for people. Where is the humanity in that? What we are doing, effectively, is that we'll be the only country in the world that's going to be importing prisoners from another country. It's not good for them, it's not good for anyone, and the evidence shows that. We are turning the south Wales of now into what New South Wales was 200 years ago. And this allusion that is put about, that this is going to be good for the local economy Port Talbot, it's completely fallacious, completely dishonest, as the UK Government has admitted. Look, the real driving force here is you're building the superprisons in order to shut the Victorian prisons. So, 200 jobs in this superprison in Port Talbot, and 600 jobs lost in Cardiff and Swansea. You don't need a Fields prize in mathematics to work out that that's a net loss. To put it another way, effectively, there's your lacklustre response to the steel crisis, and you're now expecting us to actually celebrate the fact that there's going to be a net loss to the south Wales economy. Now, I have to say to the Welsh Government, we'll listen to what the Minister has to say. There has been an offer by the Basque aluminium company for this piece of land in the Baglan enterprise zone, which was set up as part of the response to the economic crisis. Take that offer. There is a company that is a successful company, which wants to expand and is obviously part of a cluster in terms of metals and materials in that area. So, there's no actual reason why that offer should be refused. Take it now. Announce today that that offer is going to be accepted. I have to say, though, that I heard earlier today the comments that the honourable Member - I'm allowed to say that about a Member of the House of Commons, aren't I? - for Aberavon, Stephen Kinnock, or, as I shall now call him, 'the grand archduke of Nimbyism', saying that, actually, it would be all right as long as the prison was moved from Port Talbot to down the road in Swansea. His attitude seems to be that it's not that he's against a superprison in south Wales; it's rather a case of 'not in my business park'. Let's reiterate: Wales does not need superprisons as part of our economic strategy. It's not good for the prisoners themselves, who should be rehabilitated in their communities. And if they are low-risk prisoners, they should be in the probation service. But, of course, you privatised that, didn't you? The fact is that it's not good for our economy. The numbers that have been offered to us in terms of jobs, they're worthy of the side of a big red bus. And I would say to the Welsh Government: please, the reason we have a Welsh Government is, when the Westminster Government says jump, don't ask 'how high?' When we actually believe that this is not the right way for us as a nation, then we should say so unequivocally, with one voice. We are better than this. The people of Port Talbot deserve better this. Let's say 'no' to this pathetic excuse for an economic policy and social policy that actually should mean that you hang your heads in shame.
Welsh: Fe ddywedaf hyn wrthych: y ffactor sy'n ysgogi go iawn yw'r - . [Torri ar draws.] Fe anfonaf y dystiolaeth atoch. Y ffactor sy'n ysgogi go iawn yw hyn: cyni'n dod wyneb yn wyneb ag annynoldeb. Mae rhagolygon y Llywodraeth ei hun wedi dangos mai CEM Berwyn fydd y carchar rhataf i'w redeg yng Nghymru a Lloegr. Dyna ydyw i bob pwrpas. Bocs mawr, ond i bobl. Ble mae'r dynoldeb yn hynny? Yr hyn a wnawn i bob pwrpas yw mai ni fydd yr unig wlad yn y byd a fydd yn mewnforio carcharorion o wlad arall. Nid yw'n dda iddynt hwy, nid yw'n dda i neb, ac mae'r dystiolaeth yn dangos hynny. Rydym yn troi de Cymru yn awr i fod fel oedd De Cymru Newydd 200 mlynedd yn ôl. Ac mae'r honiad hwn a roddir ar led ei fod yn mynd i fod yn dda i'r economi leol ym Mhort Talbot, mae'n gwbl gyfeiliornus, yn hollol anonest, fel y mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi cyfaddef. Edrychwch, yr ysgogiad go iawn yma yw eich bod yn adeiladu'r uwch garchardai er mwyn cau'r carchardai Fictoraidd. Felly, 200 o swyddi yn yr uwch garchar hwn ym Mhort Talbot, a 600 o swyddi'n cael eu colli yng Nghaerdydd ac Abertawe. Nid oes angen gwobr Fields mewn mathemateg i ganfod fod honno'n golled net. I'w roi mewn ffordd arall, dyna eich ymateb difflach i'r argyfwng dur, ac rydych yn awr yn disgwyl i ni ddathlu'r ffaith fod yna golled net yn mynd i fod i economi de Cymru. Nawr, rhaid i mi ddweud wrth Lywodraeth Cymru, fe wnawn ni wrando ar yr hyn sydd gan y Gweinidog i'w ddweud. Cafwyd cynnig gan gwmni alwminiwm Basque am y darn hwn o dir yn ardal fenter Baglan, cynnig a sefydlwyd yn rhan o'r ymateb i'r argyfwng economaidd. Cymerwch y cynnig hwnnw. Dyna gwmni sy'n gwmni llwyddiannus, sy'n awyddus i ehangu ac yn amlwg mae'n rhan o glwstwr o ran metelau a deunyddiau yn yr ardal honno. Felly, nid oes unrhyw reswm go iawn pam y dylid gwrthod y cynnig hwnnw. Cymerwch ef yn awr. Cyhoeddwch heddiw fod y cynnig hwnnw'n mynd i gael ei dderbyn. Rhaid i mi ddweud, fodd bynnag, fy mod wedi clywed yn gynharach heddiw y sylwadau a wnaeth yr Aelod anrhydeddus - mae gennyf hawl i ddweud hynny am Aelod o Dŷ'r Cyffredin, onid oes? - dros Aberafan, Stephen Kinnock, neu fel y'i galwaf yn awr, 'archddug y bobl sy'n dweud 'na' wrth bopeth yn eu milltir sgwâr eu hunain', yn dweud, mewn gwirionedd, y byddai'n iawn, cyn belled â bod y carchar yn cael ei symud i lawr y ffordd o Bort Talbot i Abertawe. Mae'n ymddangos mai ei agwedd ef yw, nid ei fod yn erbyn uwch carchar yn ne Cymru; mae'n achos, yn hytrach, o 'nid yn fy mharc busnes i'. Gadewch i ni ailadrodd: nid oes angen uwch garchardai o'r fath ar Gymru yn rhan o'n strategaeth economaidd. Nid yw'n dda i garcharorion eu hunain, gan y dylent gael eu hadsefydlu yn eu cymunedau. Ac os ydynt yn garcharorion risg isel, dylent fod yn y gwasanaeth prawf. Ond wrth gwrs, fe wnaethoch breifateiddio hwnnw, oni wnaethoch? Y ffaith amdani yw nad yw'n dda i'n heconomi. Mae'r niferoedd a gynigiwyd i ni o ran swyddi, maent yn haeddu eu lle ar ochr bws mawr coch. A buaswn yn dweud wrth Lywodraeth Cymru: os gwelwch yn dda, pan fydd Llywodraeth San Steffan yn dweud 'neidiwch', peidiwch â gofyn 'pa mor uchel?' - dyna pam y mae gennym Lywodraeth Cymru. Pan fyddwn yn credu mewn gwirionedd nad dyma'r ffordd iawn i ni fel cenedl, yna dylem ddweud hynny'n bendant gydag un llais. Rydym yn well na hyn. Mae pobl Port Talbot yn haeddu gwell na hyn. Gadewch i ni ddweud 'na' wrth yr esgus pathetig hwn o bolisi economaidd a pholisi cymdeithasol a ddylai olygu mewn gwirionedd eich bod gwyro eich pennau mewn cywilydd.