English: I very much agree with the point that Delyth Jewell made as well - if the UK is the fifth, sixth, whatever biggest economy in the world then it's totally immoral not to have a much better way of organising ourselves as a society in order to avoid these incredibly stark problems that so many people in the public are very shocked by. The number of people that have said to me that they just cannot understand why it's not possible to organise services and organise society in a way that avoids the extent of rough-sleeping that we currently see in our towns and cities - and, as the Minister pointed out, obviously, there are also issues in rural areas; it's not just an urban problem, although that's where the preponderance of the problem lies. So, we really need to find better ways forward. I think what Mark Isherwood said about people needing to be given the chance to want to make the necessary change is really important, and that's why assertive outreach is very significant, because that word 'stickability' I think is very important. Services and those providing the services need to stick with those sleeping rough so that they are there when that opportunity comes along; when that person is ready to make the necessary change, there is somebody there to guide them and to make sure that they do take the opportunities available at that time. Obviously, if people aren't there with them around that time, then that window of opportunity may be lost, and the people may never make that change. As we heard earlier, it's absolutely shocking to think that 34 people died sleeping rough on the streets in Wales in 2018. Every life saved obviously is absolutely priceless, so we really do need to make assertive outreach an ever more important part of the service that we provide. It is very wide-ranging and complex in terms of the issues involved, as Members stated. Mark Isherwood was talking about schools recognising issues and problems as young people go through the system. There are many conditions, such as Asperger's and autism, that are related. Young people with mental health issues need to have those problems recognised and addressed at the earliest possible opportunity. I think much of what the Minister said was about that preventative approach that we need to make more of a feature in our services. So many Members on the committee spoke about the power of lived experience and actually hearing first hand from people sleeping rough, as well as those providing the services to them, what their experiences are and what they think will make the difference. As Huw Irranca-Davies said, there cannot be a wrong door. Wherever people sleeping rough may make contact with services, they have to be connected with whatever services they need to address their issues. They cannot simply be referred on to another agency, another person. I think the drugs issues are significant, and the non-devolved aspects. I would urge Welsh Government to work very closely with the UK to bottom out, really, to what extent we could have safe rooms for injecting for drug use, whether that's possible within the devolved powers that we have, or whether we do need further devolution, further understanding, to make that happen. I do think it's quite instructive that the police forces in Wales are very interested in making that change and they see real advantages were that to come about. I think David Melding - and it's always good to have people who are not on the committee at the moment making contributions on committee reports - made some very interesting points around commissioning. To what extent is it possible to be innovative, to truly integrate services, to have pooled budgets, to move on to a long-term approach within the current commissioning arrangements? It does seem to be weak at the moment, and, yes, we do need an urgent review. I heard what the Minister said about Housing First and the important progress made there, and also the housing support grant and how that might drive some aspects of necessary change, but I really do think we need to have a full review of all of those matters. The Minister also mentioned prison services, and that's a significant part of building partnerships and making sure that no aspect of service delivery, devolved or non-devolved, is neglected in any way. The action group is a very significant development, as I mentioned in my opening speech, and we're very pleased as a committee about that. We'd be very interested to see how the Minister responds to the recommendation and takes the suggested work forward. So, I think this is such an important set of issues, Dirprwy Lywydd, it's exactly why our committee has not just devoted quite an amount of time and work to these matters, but has returned to them. I think our commitment to the sector and to those sleeping rough is that, as a committee, we are not going to walk away from these matters; we are going to show that stickability that we urge on others. We will return to these matters, and we will continue to hold Welsh Government to account.
Welsh: Cytunaf yn llwyr â'r pwynt a wnaeth Delyth Jewell hefyd - os mai'r DU yw'r pumed, y chweched, neu ba bynnag economi fwyaf yn y byd, mae'n hollol anfoesol peidio â chael dull llawer gwell o drefnu ein hunain fel cymdeithas er mwyn osgoi'r problemau eithriadol o ddifrifol hyn sy'n peri cymaint o syndod i gymaint o'r cyhoedd. Mae cynifer o bobl wedi dweud wrthyf na allant ddeall pam nad yw'n bosibl trefnu gwasanaethau a threfnu cymdeithas mewn ffordd sy'n osgoi'r holl gysgu allan a welwn yn ein trefi a'n dinasoedd ar hyn o bryd - ac fel y nododd y Gweinidog, yn amlwg, mae problemau'n codi mewn ardaloedd gwledig hefyd; nid problem drefol yn unig yw hon, er mai dyna lle mae'r broblem ar ei gwaethaf. Felly, mae gwir angen inni ddod o hyd i ffyrdd gwell o symud ymlaen. Credaf fod yr hyn a ddywedodd Mark Isherwood am yr angen i roi cyfle i bobl fod eisiau gwneud y newid angenrheidiol yn bwysig iawn, a dyna pam y mae allgymorth grymusol yn arwyddocaol iawn, oherwydd mae dygnu arni yn y fath fodd yn bwysig iawn yn fy marn i. Mae angen i wasanaethau a'r rhai sy'n darparu'r gwasanaethau ddygnu arni gyda'r rhai sy'n cysgu allan er mwyn iddynt fod yno pan ddaw'r cyfle hwnnw; pan fydd y person hwnnw'n barod i wneud y newid angenrheidiol, mae rhywun yno i'w harwain ac i wneud yn siŵr eu bod yn manteisio ar y cyfleoedd sydd ar gael ar y pryd. Yn amlwg, os nad yw pobl yno gyda hwy tua'r adeg honno, mae'n bosibl y collir y cyfle hwnnw, ac efallai na fydd pobl byth yn gwneud y newid. Fel y clywsom yn gynharach, mae'n gwbl warthus meddwl bod 34 o bobl wedi marw yn cysgu ar y stryd yng Nghymru yn 2018. Mae pob bywyd a achubir yn amlwg yn gwbl amhrisiadwy, felly mae gwir angen inni wneud allgymorth grymusol yn rhan bwysicach eto o'r gwasanaeth a ddarparwn. Mae'n fater eang iawn ei gwmpas a chymhleth iawn o ran y problemau sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef, fel y dywedodd yr Aelodau. Soniodd Mark Isherwood am ysgolion yn nodi problemau wrth i bobl ifanc fynd drwy'r system. Ceir llawer o gyflyrau, megis syndrom Asperger ac awtistiaeth, sy'n gysylltiedig. Mae angen i bobl ifanc â phroblemau iechyd meddwl gael y problemau hynny wedi'u cydnabod a'u trin ar y cyfle cyntaf posibl. Credaf fod llawer o'r hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog yn ymwneud â'r dull ataliol sydd ei angen arnom yn amlach yn ein gwasanaethau. Soniodd cynifer o aelodau'r pwyllgor am bŵer profiad bywyd a chlywed yn uniongyrchol gan bobl sy'n cysgu allan, yn ogystal â'r rhai sy'n darparu'r gwasanaethau iddynt, beth yw eu profiadau a beth fydd yn gwneud gwahaniaeth yn eu tyb hwy. Fel y dywedodd Huw Irranca-Davies, ni all fod drws anghywir. Lle bynnag y bydd pobl sy'n cysgu ar y stryd yn cysylltu â gwasanaethau, rhaid eu cysylltu â pha wasanaethau bynnag sydd eu hangen arnynt i fynd i'r afael â'u problemau. Rhaid gwneud mwy na dim ond eu hatgyfeirio at asiantaeth arall, at berson arall. Rwy'n credu bod y problemau cyffuriau'n sylweddol, a'r agweddau sydd heb eu datganoli. Hoffwn annog Llywodraeth Cymru i weithio'n agos iawn gyda'r DU i sefydlu i ba raddau y gallem gael ystafelloedd diogel ar gyfer chwistrellu cyffuriau, a yw hynny'n bosibl o fewn y pwerau datganoledig sydd gennym, neu a oes angen datganoli pellach arnom, dealltwriaeth bellach, er mwyn sicrhau bod hynny'n digwydd. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn eithaf dadlennol fod gan yr heddluoedd yng Nghymru ddiddordeb mawr mewn gwneud y newid hwnnw ac maent yn gweld y byddai manteision gwirioneddol yn deillio o hynny pe bai'n digwydd. Credaf fod David Melding - ac mae bob amser yn dda cael pobl nad ydynt ar y pwyllgor ar hyn o bryd yn cyfrannu ar adroddiadau pwyllgorau - wedi gwneud pwyntiau diddorol iawn ynghylch comisiynu. I ba raddau y mae'n bosibl bod yn arloesol, i integreiddio gwasanaethau go iawn, i gael cyllidebau cyfunol, i symud ymlaen at ddull gweithredu hirdymor o fewn y trefniadau comisiynu presennol? Mae'n ymddangos yn wan ar hyn o bryd, ac oes, mae angen adolygiad ar frys arnom. Clywais yr hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog am Tai yn Gyntaf a'r cynnydd pwysig a wnaethpwyd yno, a hefyd y grant cymorth tai a sut y gallai hwnnw ysgogi rhai agweddau ar newid angenrheidiol, ond credaf o ddifrif fod angen inni gael adolygiad llawn o'r holl faterion hynny. Soniodd y Gweinidog hefyd am wasanaethau carchardai, ac mae hynny'n rhan bwysig o adeiladu partneriaethau a sicrhau nad oes unrhyw agwedd ar ddarparu gwasanaethau sydd wedi'u datganoli neu heb eu datganoli yn cael ei hesgeuluso mewn unrhyw ffordd. Mae'r grŵp gweithredu yn ddatblygiad arwyddocaol iawn, fel y crybwyllais yn fy araith agoriadol, ac rydym yn falch iawn fel pwyllgor ynglŷn â hynny. Byddai diddordeb mawr gennym mewn gweld sut y mae'r Gweinidog yn ymateb i'r argymhelliad ac yn bwrw ymlaen â'r gwaith a awgrymir. Felly, rwy'n meddwl bod hon yn set hynod bwysig o ffactorau, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a dyna'n union pam y mae ein pwyllgor wedi neilltuo cryn dipyn o amser a gwaith i'r materion hyn, ac wedi dychwelyd atynt yn ogystal. Credaf mai ein hymrwymiad i'r sector ac i'r rhai sy'n cysgu allan yw nad ydym, fel pwyllgor, yn mynd i gefnu ar y problemau hyn; rydym am ddangos y gallu i ddygnu arni rydym yn annog eraill i'w arfer. Byddwn yn dychwelyd at y materion hyn, a byddwn yn parhau i ddwyn Llywodraeth Cymru i gyfrif.