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English: We move straight on, therefore, to item 2 this morning, which is our general scrutiny of Public Health Wales. And to that end, I'm very happy to welcome Dr Tracey Cooper, who is the chief executive of Public Health Wales, as well as Huw George, who is deputy CEO and executive director of operations and finance, and also Dr Quentin Sandifer, executive director of public health services and medical director. Thank you very much for your attendance. Thank you very much for your written submission and this comprehensive report in front of us. As we've already mentioned, Members have read every word in detail. So, as is customary in this committee, we will go straight into questions, and the first question comes from Rhun ap Iorwerth.
Welsh: Symudwn syth ymlaen, felly, i eitem 2 ar ein hagenda y bore yma, a chraffu ar Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru. Ac i'r perwyl yna, rwy'n falch iawn o groesawu Dr Tracey Cooper, prif weithredwr Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru, yn ogystal â Huw George, dirprwy brif weithredwr a chyfarwyddwr gweithredol gweithrediadau a chyllid, ac hefyd Dr Quentin Sandifer, cyfarwyddwr gweithredol gwasanaethau iechyd cyhoeddus a chyfarwyddwr meddygol. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich presenoldeb. Diolch yn fawr iawn hefyd am baratoi yr adroddiad swmpus o'n blaenau. Fel rwyf wedi ei grybwyll eisoes, mae Aelodau wedi darllen pob gair mewn manylder. Felly, gyda'ch caniatâd ac fel sy'n draddodiadol yn y pwyllgor yma, awn yn syth mewn i gwestiynau, ac mae'r cwestiynau cyntaf o dan ofal Rhun ap Iorwerth.
English: Good morning to all three of you, and thank you for joining us at the committee this morning. I'd like to begin with a general question and ask you to be as self-critical as you feel is appropriate. We know what the role of Public Health Wales is, which is to be an authoritative voice on public health in Wales. How well do you think you are delivering on that function?
Welsh: Bore da i'r tri ohonoch chi, a diolch am ddod atom ni i'r pwyllgor y bore yma. Rwyf am gychwyn efo cwestiwn cyffredinol a gofyn ichi fod mor hunanfeirniadol ag ydych chi'n teimlo sy'n addas i fod. Rydym yn gwybod beth ydy rôl Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru: i fod yn llais awdurdodol ar iechyd y cyhoedd yng Nghymru. Pa mor dda ydych chi'n meddwl ydych chi ar wireddu'r swyddogaeth honno?
English: Thank you very much. Amazingly, we have managed to get through nearly all of the questions, so I'd like to say thank you very much to all three of you from Public Health Wales. Thank you, Dr Tracey Cooper, Dr Quentin Sandifer and Huw George for joining us and for the comprehensive report that you prepared for us beforehand. Perhaps we may have a few questions to follow up with in a note, and you have agreed to send a few notes to us also, so we would like to thank you beforehand for that, and inform you that you will receive a transcript of these discussions for you to check that they are factually accurate. So, thank you very much once again, and thank you for your attendance. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Yn rhyfeddol, rydym ni wedi llwyddo i fynd trwy'r cwestiynau bron i gyd, ac felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i'r tri ohonoch chi, aelodau o Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru. Diolch yn fawr i Dr Tracey Cooper, Dr Quentin Sandifer, ac i Huw George am eu presenoldeb, a hefyd am yr adroddiad swmpus yna roeddech chi wedi'i baratoi i ni ymlaen llaw. Efallai y bydd gyda ni ambell i gwestiwn i ddilyn i fyny gyda nodyn, a hefyd rydych chi wedi cytuno i yrru ambell nodyn i ninnau hefyd, felly diolch yn fawr iawn i chi ymlaen llaw am hynny. Ac mi fyddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma i'ch galluogi chi i'w gwireddu nhw, eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am hynny, a diolch yn fawr iawn am eich presenoldeb. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Fellow Members, we will move on to item 3, which is papers to note. You will have read the letter from the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee regarding their forward work programme and areas of shared interest - I'd like to thank Lynne for writing to me - and also the letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services, regarding out-of-hours services. Would you like to note something?
Welsh: I'm cyd-Aelodau, rydym ni'n symud ymlaen i eitem 3, a phapurau i'w nodi. Byddwch chi wedi darllen y llythyr gan Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg ynglŷn â blaenraglen waith y pwyllgor a meysydd o ddiddordeb cyffredin - diolch yn fawr i Lynne am ysgrifennu ataf - a hefyd y llythyr gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol ynglŷn â gwasanaethau y tu allan i oriau. Wyt ti eisiau nodi rhywbeth?
English: Yes, just a question on the proposal to look at the way that the two committees could work collaboratively. How far can we push that collaboration?
Welsh: Ie, jest cwestiwn sydyn ynglŷn â'r cynnig i edrych ar sut y gall y ddau bwyllgor gydweithio. Pa mor bell allwn ni wthio'r cydweithio?
English: I'm open to suggestions.
Welsh: Rydw i'n agored i syniadau.
English: Well, we'll move on to item 4, and I move, under Standing Order 17.42, to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Is everyone agreed? Thank you.
Welsh: Wel, fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen i eitem 4, a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Pawb yn cytuno? Diolch.
English: Thank you very much, Chair. Good morning, everyone. It's wonderful to be in Aberystwyth once again. So, I will begin with quite an easy question, perhaps, but perhaps things will become more difficult as the morning moves on. Could you begin by characterising the current health of the tourism sector here in Wales?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Gadeirydd. Bore da i bawb. Mae'n hyfryd bod yn Aberystwyth unwaith eto. Gwnaf i ddechrau efo cwestiwn weddol hawdd - efallai aiff pethau'n fwy anodd fel mae'r bore'n mynd ymlaen. A allwch chi ddechrau drwy olrhain cyflwr iechyd presennol y sector dwristiaeth yma yng Nghymru?
English: Very healthy indeed, I would say. We know, given the results of the barometer, that confidence within the sector is high. We have seen that the sector has experienced growth and a great deal of work has been done on supporting the brand and ensuring that more visitors come to Wales. So, I would say that the sector is in very good health indeed. One figure I would want to refer to is this: we know that £356 million in addition has been spent in Wales because of the influence of Visit Wales on the market. That's a figure that has doubled since 2013. So, we are seeing a significant increase in terms of what the sector is contributing to the Welsh economy.
Welsh: Mae'n dda dros ben, byddwn i'n dweud. Rydym ni'n gwybod wrth ystyried canlyniadau'r baromedr fod hyder yn uchel yn y sector. Rydym ni wedi gweld, wrth gwrs, fod y sector wedi tyfu ac, wrth gwrs, mae yna lot fawr o waith wedi cael ei wneud ynglŷn â chynnal y brand a hefyd sicrhau bod mwy o bobl yn dod i Gymru. So, byddwn i'n dweud bod y sector mewn cyflwr da dros ben. Un ffigwr byddwn i'n ei roi i Aelodau yw hwn: rydym ni'n gwybod bod £356 miliwn ychwanegol wedi cael ei hala yng Nghymru o achos y ffaith bod Visit Wales wedi dylanwadu ar y farchnad. Mae hwnnw'n ffigwr sydd wedi dyblu ers 2013. Felly, rŷm ni'n gweld cynnydd sylweddol o ran faint o arian mae'r sector yn ei roi i'r economi yng Nghymru.
English: Thank you for that. As you'll be aware, a number of us have been in an initial meeting this morning with representatives from the tourism sector in a pre meeting. Many fair points were raised. One of those was about increasing the funding for Visit Wales compared with the funding that the same body in Scotland receives to promote tourism, because of things like international promotion. The second point is things like infrastructure, such as public conveniences. They are disappearing. Toilets are disappearing all over Wales. We know of the fragile financial situation of our local authorities. But, they are a very important element of attracting and retaining tourists in any area, not just here in Ceredigion. Essentially, there was a call for further funding. What do you think of this idea that Visit Wales is losing out compared with the same organisation in Scotland?
Welsh: Diolch am hynny. Fel y byddwch chi'n ymwybodol, mae nifer ohonom ni wedi bod mewn cyfarfod cychwynnol y bore yma efo aelodau o'r sector dwristiaeth cyn i'r pwyllgor yma ddechrau. Gwnaethpwyd nifer o bwyntiau teg. Un o'r rheini oedd ynglŷn â chynyddu'r cyllid gogyfer Visit Wales/Croeso Cymru o'i gymharu â'r cyllid mae'r un corff yn yr Alban yn ei gael i hyrwyddo twristiaeth, achos pethau fel hyrwyddo pethau yn rhyngwladol. Yr ail beth ydy pethau fel isadeiledd megis cyfleusterau cyhoeddus. Maen nhw'n diflannu. Mae toiledau'n diflannu dros y lle i gyd, dros Gymru i gyd. Rŷm ni'n gwybod am sefyllfa ariannol bregus ein cynghorau sir ni. Wrth gwrs, maen nhw'n elfen bwysig iawn o ddenu a chadw twristiaid mewn unrhyw ardal, nid jest yma yng Ngheredigion. Ac, yn y bôn, felly, mwy o gyllid. Beth ydych chi'n ei feddwl am y syniad yma fod Visit Wales/Croeso Cymru yn colli allan o gymharu â'r un mudiad yn yr Alban?
English: It's difficult to ensure that resources are available given the current climate, but we have seen the results, we have seen an increase in the number of visitors to Wales and an increase in spend in Wales. And, of course, we have ensured that we open offices across the world. One of the things we had to do was to ensure that we had a greater presence internationally. Many offices had been closed prior to 2011. That wasn't appropriate. Offices in Paris, Berlin, Düsseldorf and Doha are to open before Christmas and that gives us the presence that we need in those vital markets. I would say that it's one thing to consider how much money is spent on Visit Wales, but you must also consider the budget in the broader sense, namely looking at the funds provided for those offices abroad and the work done by officials and Ministers in selling Wales abroad. I've said on a number of occasions that it's not possible to sell Wales and draw in investment if you're behind a desk. You have to get out there and do it. It is one of the things I have done, and also other Ministers. Everyone would argue that we need more funding, and I understand that. I would say that there is a budget in place, but there are other things going on too that help the industry.
Welsh: Mae'n anodd sicrhau bod adnoddau ar gael wrth gofio'r cefndir sydd gyda ni, ond rŷm ni wedi gweld y canlyniadau, rŷm ni wedi gweld bod mwy o bobl yn dod i Gymru, rŷm ni'n gweld bod mwy o arian yn cael ei hala yng Nghymru. Ac, wrth gwrs, rŷm ni wedi sicrhau ein bod ni'n agor mwy o swyddfeydd ar draws y byd. Un o'r pethau roedd yn rhaid eu gwneud oedd sicrhau bod mwy o bresenoldeb gyda ni. Roedd llawer o swyddfeydd wedi cael eu cau cyn 2011. Nid yw hynny'n briodol yn y pen draw. Mae swyddfeydd ym Mharis, Berlin, Düsseldorf a Doha yn mynd i agor cyn y Nadolig ac mae hynny'n rhoi'r presenoldeb i ni sydd ei eisiau arnom ni mewn marchnadoedd sydd yn hollbwysig. Fe fyddwn i'n dweud ei fod yn un peth i ystyried faint o arian sy'n cael ei hala ar Visit Wales, ond hefyd mae'n rhaid ystyried y gyllideb yn y ffordd fwyaf eang, sef edrych ar yr adnoddau sy'n cael eu rhoi mewn i swyddfeydd tramor, a hefyd wrth gwrs y gwaith sy'n cael ei wneud gan swyddogion a Gweinidogion ynglŷn â gwerthu Cymru dramor. Rwyf wedi dweud sawl gwaith, nid yw'n bosibl i werthu Cymru ac i ddenu buddsoddiad mewn os ydych chi'n eistedd tu ôl i ddesg. Mae'n rhaid mynd mas yna a gwerthu Cymru. Mae'n un o'r pethau rwyf wedi gwneud, yn enwedig, a hefyd Gweinidogion eraill. Byddai pawb yn dadlau, wrth gwrs, fod eisiau cael mwy o arian, rwy'n deall hynny. Byddwn i'n dweud bod cyllideb yna, ond mae yna bethau eraill yn cael eu gwneud hefyd sydd yn helpu'r diwydiant.
English: That fundamental point about toilets: how are we going to deal with that? Because they have been closing all over Wales, as we all know, for many years now, and of course there is never enough local government funding. Do you think that that is an issue that Visit Wales should be dealing with?
Welsh: Y pwynt sylfaenol yna ynglŷn â thoiledau: sut ydym ni'n mynd i ddygymod â hynny? Achos maen nhw wedi bod yn cau dros y lle i gyd, fel rydym ni i gyd yn gwybod, ers blynyddoedd rŵan, ac wrth gwrs nid oes yna byth ddigon o gyllid llywodraeth leol. A ydych chi'n credu bod hynny yn fater, dywedwch, i Groeso Cymru i ddelio efo fo?
English: Local authorities have responsibility for this area, but I know that some local authorities have started a scheme where there is funding available to pubs, cafes and restaurants to allow the public to use their conveniences without feeling that they have to spend money at those locations. So, where conveniences have closed, in Bridgend, for example, there is a possibility to ask local businesses to allow people to use their toilets.
Welsh: Awdurdodau lleol sydd â'r cyfrifoldeb, ond rwy'n gwybod bod yna rai awdurdodau lleol wedi dechrau cynllun lle mae yna arian ar gael i dafarndai, i gaffes, i fwytai, i adael y cyhoedd i ddefnyddio eu toiledau nhw heb eu bod nhw'n teimlo eu bod nhw'n gorfod hala arian yn y llefydd hynny. Felly, lle mae cyfleusterau wedi cau, ym Mhen-y-bont, er enghraifft, mae posibilrwydd wedyn i ofyn i fusnesau i adael pobl i ddefnyddio eu toiledau nhw.
English: My final question, in this section at any rate, and for now, is on the role of the First Minister in terms of how Wales is projected worldwide - that is, the specific role. I understand what you have been saying about these overseas offices and the role of Visit Wales and other organisations, but, specifically, the First Minister of Wales has a very important role in promoting Wales wherever you may be. You only have a few weeks left in your role, but do you see that as something essential for any future First Minister of our nation? That is, to project to people outside of Wales, who may not ever have heard of Wales, to project our language, our heritage and how unique it is here, in Wales, to make sure that people understand that to attract them here.
Welsh: Fy nghwestiwn olaf, ar y mater yma beth bynnag, am nawr, yw rôl y Prif Weinidog, ynglŷn â sut mae Cymru yn cael ei 'phroject-o' yn fyd eang - hynny yw, y rôl benodol. Rwy'n deall beth rydych chi'n ei ddweud ynglŷn â'r swyddfeydd dros y lle i gyd ac ati, a beth mae Croeso Cymru yn ei wneud ac ati, a mudiadau eraill, ond, yn benodol, mae yna swydd bwysig gan Brif Weinidog Cymru i hyrwyddo Cymru ym mha le bynnag. Rhai wythnosau sydd gyda chi ar ôl nawr, ond a fyddech chi'n ei weld fel rhywbeth allweddol o bwysig i unrhyw Brif Weinidog ein gwlad fod yn ei wneud? Megis cyfleu i bobl tu allan, yn rhyngwladol, sydd yn aml iawn erioed wedi clywed am Gymru, cyfleu ein hiaith ni a'n hetifeddiaeth ni a'n treftadaeth unigryw yn y wlad yma, i wneud yn siŵr bod pobl yn deall hynny er mwyn eu denu nhw yma.
English: That's crucially important, because a Minister or a First Minister can open doors that officials simply can't and they can have meetings with people that officials couldn't arrange alone. What I have found as I have travelled the world is that you can meet individuals and organisations who are only interested in meeting senior members of Government - those are the people they want to speak to. Some have criticised the fact that I've visited nations across the world, as have other Ministers, but I can't accept that. It's crucially important. There's a responsibility on the First Minister to ensure that you give the best impression of Wales and there's also a responsibility to ensure that you go to those key markets in order to ensure that people understand that you are serious. When a Minister or the First Minister goes somewhere, the message conveyed is that these people are serious. They are serious about selling their nation as a destination, but also selling the nation as a place for investment.
Welsh: Mae'n hollbwysig, achos y ffaith bod Gweinidog neu Brif Weinidog yn gallu agor drysau mae swyddogion yn ffaelu eu hagor a chael cyfarfodydd gyda phobl mae'r swyddogion yn ffaelu trefnu wrth eu hunain. Beth rwyf wedi ffeindio tra fy mod i wedi bod yn mynd i wledydd dros y byd yw, y ffaith eich bod chi'n gallu cwrdd ag unigolion, cwrdd â chyrff sydd ddim ond â diddordeb mewn cwrdd â rhywun sydd yn hŷn yn y Llywodraeth - dyna'r person maen nhw'n moyn cwrdd â nhw. Mae rhai wedi beirniadu'r ffaith fy mod i wedi mynd i wledydd ar draws y byd, a Gweinidogion eraill, ond ni allaf dderbyn hynny. Mae e'n holl bwysig. Mae yna gyfrifoldeb arnoch chi fel Prif Weinidog i sicrhau eich bod chi'n rhoi'r agwedd orau o Gymru ac, wrth gwrs, mae yna gyfrifoldeb arnoch chi i sicrhau eich bod chi'n mynd i farchnadoedd sy'n allweddol er mwyn i bobl weld eich bod chi o ddifrif. Pan fo Prif Weinidog neu Weinidog yn mynd i rywle, y neges sy'n cael ei rhoi yw bod y bobl hyn o ddifrif ynglŷn â'r ffaith eu bod nhw'n moyn, yn gyntaf, gwerthu eu gwlad fel rhywle i fynd iddi, ond hefyd gwerthu'r wlad fel rhywle i fuddsoddi ynddi.
English: Those are hugely important questions. It's always nice to be back in Aberystwyth. The last time I was in this building, I was part of a protest led by someone called Alun Davies. I was upstairs speaking to the council - myself and Richard Wyn Jones. So, it's a little odd to be back here.
Welsh: Cwestiynau pwysig dros ben. Mae wastad yn neis i fod yn ôl yn Aberystwyth. Y tro diwethaf, rydw i'n credu, roeddwn i yn yr adeilad hwn, roeddwn i'n rhan o brotest a oedd wedi cael ei harwain gan rywun o'r enw Alun Davies. Roeddwn i lan lofft yn siarad gyda'r cyngor - minnau a Richard Wyn Jones. Felly, mae tipyn bach yn od i fod yn ôl yma.
English: If I may say so, I was only here for lectures, First Minister.
Welsh: Os caf i ddweud, roeddwn i ond yma ar gyfer darlithoedd, Prif Weinidog.
English: Will we see the feasibility study soon?
Welsh: A fyddem ni'n gweld yr astudiaeth yn fuan?
English: What I will do is write to the committee with a date, because I don't know exactly what the date will be at the moment, but I can inform you what the next steps will be.
Welsh: Beth y gwnaf i yw ysgrifennu at y pwyllgor gyda dyddiad, achos nid ydw i'n gwybod beth yn gymwys yw'r dyddiad ar hyn o bryd, ond fe allaf i wneud hynny, ta beth, so, bydd Aelodau'n gwybod beth yw'r cam nesaf.
English: And, then, if I can just broaden this out, you talked about bus services, and that will be something that will be welcomed by local people, as well as visitors, but, in terms of the use of public transport, how do we use that to promote that type of tourism, active tourism? So, you're talking about, for example, having to carry bikes on buses and so forth. We have to think of something much more innovative than the current situation in order for us to pursue that market, which is part of your three-year plan - thinking of the themed years - and to establish Wales as the destination that people think of for that type of tourism.
Welsh: A wedyn, os caf i jest ofyn yn ehangach, rŷch chi'n sôn am wella gwasanaeth bysiau, a bydd hynny'n cael ei groesawu gan bobl leol, yn ogystal ag ymwelwyr, ond sut yn benodol y gallem ni ddefnyddio cludiant cyhoeddus i hybu'r fath yna o dwristiaeth, twristiaeth actif? So, rydych chi'n sôn, er enghraifft, y bydd yn rhaid i chi gludo beiciau ar gefn bysiau a phethau felly. Mae'n rhaid i ni edrych ar rywbeth llawer mwy dyfeisgar na beth sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd er mwyn i ni fynd ar ôl y farchnad yna, sydd yn rhan o'ch cynllun tair blynedd - y gwahanol flynyddoedd gyda'r themâu, ac ati - i sefydlu Cymru fel y lle y mae pobl yn meddwl amdano ar gyfer y fath yna o dwristiaeth.
English: The way to do that, in my view, of course, is marketing, but also to ensure that buses can carry bikes, for example. There are buses in service at the moment, and one particularly that offers improved comfort for travellers, and people need to know that they will be able to carry their bikes on the buses in the future, and then we can market it in that way. One of the problems was that people looked at the service from Carmarthen to Aberystwyth as an ordinary bus route, so it wasn't seen as a tourist route. That's starting to change now, and we need to ensure that that momentum remains and that will be the target.
Welsh: Y ffordd i wneud hynny, yn fy marn i, yw marchnata, wrth gwrs, ond hefyd sicrhau bod y bysiau'n gallu cario beiciau, er enghraifft. Mae yna fysiau nawr ar y gwasanaeth, ac un yn enwedig, sydd yn creu gwasanaeth gwell yn fy marn i, ynglŷn â pha mor gyfforddus yw'r gwasanaeth - mae'n rhaid sicrhau, felly, wrth gwrs, bod pobl yn gwybod eu bod nhw'n gallu cario'u beiciau ar y bysys yn y dyfodol a marchnata fe yn y ffordd honno. Un o'r problemau oedd y ffaith bod pobl wedi ystyried y gwasanaeth o Gaerfyrddin i Aberystwyth fel gwasanaeth sydd yn cael ei redeg gyda bysiau arferol ac felly nid yn rhywbeth a oedd ar gael iddyn nhw os oedden nhw'n dwristiaid. Mae hynny'n dechrau newid nawr, a sicrhau bod y momentwm hwnnw'n parhau bydd y nod.
English: Very briefly -
Welsh: Jest yn fyr -
English: In promoting awareness of Edward I's castles, there has to be an awareness of the sometimes sensitive history around that, particularly if you want to create an iron ring as part of the Year of Legends. How on earth did that happen in the first place?
Welsh: Wrth hybu ymwybyddiaeth o gestyll Edward I, mae'n rhaid hefyd fod yn ymwybodol o'r hanes sensitif weithiau, yn enwedig os ydych chi eisiau creu modrwy haearn fel rhan o'r Flwyddyn o Chwedlau. Sut yn y byd wnaeth hynny ddigwydd yn y lle cyntaf?
English: Well, we own them now, Dai, and the red dragon is flying above these castles now. I understand your point, of course. The castles weren't welcomed by anyone living in Wales at that time. Now, 800 years later, why shouldn't we use those castles in order to draw tourists in from England so that they spend their money here in Wales? That's what I would say. I do understand the sensitivities, of course, but we can now look at the castles as locations that can promote the local economy, rather than as places that suppress local people.
Welsh: Ni sydd eu piau nhw nawr, Dai, a'r ddraig goch sydd yn hedfan ar y cestyll hyn. Rwy'n deall y pwynt. Y pwynt yw, nid oedd y cestyll wedi cael eu croesawu gan neb a oedd yn byw yng Nghymru ar y pryd. Erbyn hyn, wrth gwrs, 800 mlynedd ar ôl hynny, pam na ddylem ni ddefnyddio'r cestyll er mwyn tynnu twristiaid i mewn o Loegr er mwyn eu bod nhw'n hala eu harian yng Nghymru? Dyna beth fyddwn i'n ei ddweud. Rwy'n deall y sensitifrwydd, wrth gwrs, ond nawr gallwn ystyried y cestyll fel llefydd sydd nawr yn gallu hybu'r economi lleol, ac nid fel llefydd sy'n cadw'r bobl leol mas, fel yr oedden nhw.
English: Or imprison them in fact. Thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Neu eu carcharu nhw. Diolch, Gadeirydd.
English: Before I turn specifically to that, I just want to bridge from the questions from David Rees. You say it doesn't make much sense for us to have a tourism visa, but there's much that doesn't make sense to me about the discussions ongoing currently anyway. There has been mention that we, as UK citizens, would need visas to visit the rest of the EU. I have heard talk about a £65 payment for visas to go to nations that we can visit currently without any barriers, as you mentioned. Have your received an assurance from the Westminster Government that there will be no visa for tourists from what is now the European Community to come into Wales after we leave the European Union?
Welsh: Cyn i fi jest droi yn benodol at hynny, jest i bontio o gwestiynau David Rees - rŷch chi'n dweud nad yw'n gwneud llawer o synnwyr i ni gael fisa twristiaeth, ond nid oes llawer yn gwneud lot o synnwyr i fi ar hyn o bryd, beth bynnag, yn y trafodaethau yma. Mae sôn wedi bod bod angen i ddinasyddion y Deyrnas Gyfunol gael fisa i ymweld â gweddill yr Undeb Ewropeaidd. Rydw i wedi clywed a gweld rhyw sôn a siarad am £65 i dalu am fisa i ymweld â gwledydd rŷm ni'n gallu mynd iddyn nhw yn ddirwystr, fel rŷch chi'n dweud, ar hyn o bryd. A ydych chi wedi cael gwarant gan Lywodraeth San Steffan na fydd fisa ar gyfer twristiaid o beth sydd nawr yn gymuned yr Undeb Ewropeaidd i ddod i Gymru ar ôl i ni adael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd?