English: I thank the Welsh Conservatives for bringing forward this debate, and for acknowledging that my amendment would have added to the debate. As I've said previously, lockdowns were a necessary evil at the start of this pandemic whilst we built up capacity to deal with the outbreak. However, we have had seven months to build up that capacity, and it is getting harder and harder to justify the damages to business, the economy and the health of our constituents that result from such measures. And although I acknowledge that many businesses have been helped during the previous lockdown, there were many grey areas where many businesses fell between the cracks, and we could soon be entering the territory where the cure is worse than the disease. How many businesses have to close, how many people have to lose their jobs, before we realise that we are doing more harm than good? We need assurance now that no business will be left to stand alone. I am not one of those that say we shouldn't take any action - far from it - and to let this disease run its course. We definitely should be taking measures to combat COVID-19, but we now have proof that an immune response doesn't last long with a SARS-CoV-2 virus. We're already seeing people in America catch the disease for a second time, and, in a report out yesterday, it seems that the second infection can be even more severe. So, we can't rely on natural immunity and we have no idea when a vaccine will be available. It could be another one or two years before we have a vaccine and can get it to everyone in Wales, and until then we have to learn to try and live with the disease, and that means us all wearing masks in public, keeping 2 metres apart, regularly washing our hands for a minimum of 20 seconds. And what it doesn't mean is locking everyone down. We have to keep on top of outbreaks, but that means containing the infected, not locking away the healthy. So, when a COVID case is identified, everyone who has been in contact with that person should be tested, regardless of symptoms, and everyone should be placed in strict quarantine until it's clear that they are no longer contagious. Country-wide or even county-wide lockdowns are not always the answer and neither is closing businesses. We have to have targeted, hyperlocal measures - a surgical approach, as opposed to the scorched earth one we appear to be set on. For example, in my region, we have three counties locked down, effectively the entire region of over 0.5 million people locked down because of 600 cases. We restrict the liberties of 0.5 million people, shutting businesses, causing people to lose their livelihoods, because 0.1 per cent of the people in that region caught COVID-19, the majority of whom caught the disease because they didn't always obey social distancing - that's not always the case, but it is in a lot of the cases - and, as a result of the selfishness of some people, businesses in my region are suffering. I've had a pet-grooming business contact me in the last couple of days because restrictions have massively impacted their business. They may be forced to go out of business altogether because there's no support available to them. This business is far from unique. Businesses have complied with social distancing regulations, they have implemented COVID hygiene measures, but yet they're still suffering because of the actions of a small minority of individuals. So, this disease is here to stay, and I'm afraid we have to find a way of learning to live with it, otherwise we could end up doing irreparable damage to our economy and our society. And I appreciate it's a balancing act, and a very difficult one at that, and nobody knows all the answers. Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon, ac am gydnabod y byddai fy ngwelliant wedi ychwanegu at y ddadl. Fel rwyf wedi'i ddweud o'r blaen, roedd cyfyngiadau symud yn ddrwg angenrheidiol ar ddechrau'r pandemig hwn wrth inni adeiladu capasiti i ymdrin â'r argyfwng. Fodd bynnag, rydym wedi cael saith mis i adeiladu'r capasiti hwnnw, ac mae'n mynd yn anos cyfiawnhau'r niwed i fusnesau, yr economi ac iechyd ein hetholwyr sy'n deillio o fesurau o'r fath. Ac er fy mod yn cydnabod bod llawer o fusnesau wedi cael cymorth yn ystod y cyfyngiadau symud blaenorol, roedd llawer o dir canol lle roedd llawer o fusnesau'n syrthio rhwng y craciau, a gallem fod yn mynd i diriogaeth y gwellhad yn waeth na'r clefyd cyn bo hir. Faint o fusnesau sydd wedi gorfod cau, faint o bobl sy'n gorfod colli eu swyddi, cyn inni sylweddoli ein bod yn gwneud mwy o niwed na lles? Mae arnom angen sicrwydd yn awr na fydd unrhyw fusnes yn cael ei adael i sefyll ar ei ben ei hun. Nid wyf yn un o'r rheini sy'n dweud na ddylem roi unrhyw gamau ar waith - ddim o bell ffordd - a gadael i'r clefyd redeg ei gwrs. Dylem yn bendant fod yn cymryd camau i fynd i'r afael â COVID-19, ond erbyn hyn mae gennym brawf nad yw ymateb imiwnyddol yn para'n hir gyda feirws SARS-CoV-2. Rydym eisoes yn gweld pobl yn America yn dal y clefyd am yr eildro, ac mewn adroddiad ddoe, mae'n ymddangos y gall yr ail haint fod hyd yn oed yn fwy difrifol. Felly, ni allwn ddibynnu ar imiwnedd naturiol ac nid oes gennym syniad pryd y bydd brechlyn ar gael. Gallai fod yn flwyddyn neu ddwy arall cyn inni gael brechlyn a'i gael i bawb yng Nghymru, a hyd hynny rhaid inni ddysgu ceisio byw gyda'r clefyd, ac mae hynny'n golygu bod angen i bawb ohonom wisgo masgiau'n gyhoeddus, cadw 2 fetr ar wahân, golchi ein dwylo'n rheolaidd am o leiaf 20 eiliad. A'r hyn nad yw'n ei olygu yw cyfyngu ar symudiadau pawb. Rhaid inni gadw rheolaeth ar achosion, ond mae hynny'n golygu cyfyngu ar y rhai sydd wedi'u heintio, nid cyfyngu ar bobl iach. Felly, pan nodir achos o COVID, dylid profi pawb sydd wedi bod mewn cysylltiad â'r person hwnnw, ni waeth beth fo'r symptomau, a dylid gosod pawb mewn cwarantin llym nes ei bod yn glir nad ydynt bellach yn heintus. Nid cyfyngiadau ledled y wlad na hyd yn oed ar draws y sir yw'r ateb bob amser, na chau busnesau ychwaith. Rhaid inni gael mesurau hyperleol wedi'u targedu - dull llawfeddygol o fyd ati, yn hytrach na'r dull tir llosg y mae'n ymddangos ein bod â'n bryd ar ei weithredu. Er enghraifft, yn fy rhanbarth i, mae gennym dair sir dan gyfyngiadau, sy'n golygu i bob pwrpas fod y rhanbarth cyfan o dros 0.5 miliwn o bobl wedi'u cadw dan gyfyngiadau oherwydd 600 o achosion. Rydym yn cyfyngu ar ryddid 0.5 miliwn o bobl, yn cau busnesau, yn achosi i bobl golli eu bywoliaeth, am fod 0.1 y cant o'r bobl yn y rhanbarth hwnnw wedi dal COVID-19, a daliodd y rhan fwyaf ohonynt y clefyd am nad oeddent bob amser yn ufuddhau i fesurau cadw pellter cymdeithasol - nid yw hynny'n wir bob amser, ond mae'n wir mewn llawer o'r achosion - ac o ganlyniad i hunanoldeb rhai pobl, mae busnesau yn fy rhanbarth yn dioddef. Daeth busnes ymbincio anifeiliaid anwes i gysylltiad â mi yn ystod yr ychydig ddyddiau diwethaf oherwydd bod cyfyngiadau wedi effeithio'n aruthrol ar eu busnes. Efallai y cânt eu gorfodi i roi'r gorau i'r busnes yn gyfan gwbl am nad oes cymorth ar gael ar eu cyfer. Mae'r busnes hwn ymhell o fod yn unigryw. Mae busnesau wedi cydymffurfio â rheoliadau cadw pellter cymdeithasol, maent wedi gweithredu mesurau hylendid COVID, ond eto maent yn dal i ddioddef oherwydd gweithredoedd lleiafrif bach o unigolion. Felly, mae'r clefyd hwn yma i aros, ac mae arnaf ofn fod yn rhaid inni ddod o hyd i ffordd o ddysgu byw gydag ef, neu fel arall gallem wneud niwed na ellir ei ddad-wneud i'n heconomi a'n cymdeithas. Ac rwy'n derbyn ei fod yn galw am gydbwysedd, ac un anodd iawn ar hynny, ac nid oes neb yn gwybod yr holl atebion. Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd.