English: I am aware that there is a debate tomorrow, or a policy discussion around getting rid of the community health councils, but the point that I want to raise refers more specifically to the broader consultation processes of this Government. I would be pleased to have a statement from the Cabinet Secretary with responsibility - the finance Secretary, as far as I can see, is responsible for dealing with the public and performance management - just to understand exactly what the formal regimes this Government has adopted are when it comes to various kinds of consultation. What are the standards that the Government expects to meet in such processes and what monitoring measures are in place to ensure that those standards are met? We have heard, for example, that the community health councils weren't informed that the White Paper was going to suggest scrapping those bodies when it was published. And when it was asked why there wasn't a large series of consultation events around the White Paper, they were told that many of those had been held in relation to the Green Paper, but, of course, the Green Paper didn't propose the abolition of the community health councils, so, clearly, there are questions there about the consultation process. Now, of course, we understand that events have been arranged, but they were arranged at the very last minute, with all sorts of claims or suggestions as to how those have been organised, and all that does is undermine the public's confidence in the consultation process, but it also undermines the public's confidence in the final decision when it is actually made. Now, last year, the north Wales community health council held over 500 no-notice visits in wards in north Wales - far more than any other body doing anything similar. And if Wales is to move towards a model similar to Scotland, which, by the way, has been called a 'toothless hamster', then the least we can expect is a thorough consultation, and a considered and fair consultation, and not what has been described to me as what we're having now, which is a hurried and amateur consultation.
Welsh: Rydw i'n ymwybodol bod yna ddadl yfory, neu drafodaeth bolisi o gwmpas cael gwared ar y cynghorau iechyd cymunedol, ond mae'r pwynt rydw i eisiau codi'n ymwneud yn fwy penodol â phrosesau ymgynghori ehangach y Llywodraeth yma. Buaswn i'n falch i gael datganiad oddi wrth yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet sydd â chyfrifoldeb - yr Ysgrifennydd cyllid, hyd y gwelaf i, sy'n gyfrifol am ymwneud â'r cyhoedd a rheoli perfformiad - jest i ddeall yn union beth yw'r cyfundrefnau ffurfiol y mae'r Llywodraeth yma wedi mabwysiadu pan mae'n dod i wahanol fathau o ymgynghoriadau. Beth yw'r safonau y mae'r Llywodraeth yn disgwyl eu cwrdd mewn prosesau o'r fath a pha fesurau monitro sydd yn eu lle i sicrhau bod y safonau yna'n cael eu cyfarfod? Rŷm ni wedi clywed, er enghraifft, na chafodd y cynghorau iechyd cymunedol wybod bod y Papur Gwyn yn mynd i gynnig eu ddiddymu nhw cyn iddo gael ei gyhoeddi. A phan ofynnwyd pam nad oedd cyfres helaeth o ddigwyddiadau ymgynghori o gwmpas y Papur Gwyn, mi ddywedwyd bod llawer o'r rheini wedi'u cynnal mewn perthynas â'r Papur Gwyrdd, ond, wrth gwrs, nid oedd y Papur Gwyrdd yn cynnig diddymu'r cynghorau iechyd cymunedol, felly, yn amlwg, mae yna gwestiynau yn fanna ynglŷn â'r broses ymgynghori. Erbyn hyn, wrth gwrs, rŷm ni'n deall bod yna ddigwyddiadau wedi'u trefnu, ond bod y rheini wedi'u trefnu ar frys ar y funud olaf gyda phob math o honiadau ynglŷn â sut y mae'r rheini wedi cael eu trefnu. Y cyfan mae hynny'n ei wneud, wrth gwrs, yw tanseilio ffydd y cyhoedd yn y broses ymgynghori, ond hefyd tanseilio ffydd y cyhoedd yn y penderfyniad terfynol pan fydd hwnnw'n cael ei wneud. Nawr, y flwyddyn ddiwethaf, fe gynhaliodd cyngor iechyd cymuned y gogledd dros 500 o ymweliadau dirybudd â wardiau ysbyty yng ngogledd Cymru - llawer iawn, iawn, iawn yn fwy nag unrhyw gorff arall sydd yn gwneud unrhyw beth tebyg. Ac os ydy Cymru yn symud at fodel tebyg i'r Alban, sydd, gyda llaw, wedi cael ei disgrifio fel rhyw fochdew diddannedd, yna'r peth lleiaf y gallwn ni ei ddisgwyl yn fy marn i yw ymgynghoriad trylwyr, ystyrlon a theg, ac nid yr hyn sydd wedi cael ei ddisgrifio i fi fel yr hyn rŷm ni'n ei gael nawr, sydd yn ymgynghoriad brysiog ac amaturaidd.