English: We were very, very clear in my - [ Interruption.] I have here - . I'm going to read - [ Interruption.] I'm going to read - [ Interruption.] I'm going to read - . I'm going to read the written statement I made in April. Let me say this: what I said then, and what I'll say again this afternoon, is that it is in the interests of neither the Welsh Government nor the people of Wales to see further prison development in Wales until we have a policy, a criminal justice policy, which is agreed with the Ministry of Justice. I am not going to stand here and say that we do not want to see any development of secure accommodation in this country. That is simply not the case. And it would be wrong for me to either say that this afternoon or to make any commitments on that, because what we want to see is the removal of prisons - [ Interruption.] Well, perhaps the Member doesn't wish to listen; perhaps that's why she's confused. We do not want to see - [ Interruption.] We do not want to see - [ Interruption.] We do not want to see people in the old Victorian prisons. We want a development of the prison and the secure estate in Wales. We want to develop specific facilities for female offenders. We want specific facilities for youth offenders. We want to see an investment in rehabilitation. We want to see an investment in community support. We want to see investment in education. We want to see investment in how we rehabilitate young offenders. So, we want to see a great deal of investment in the secure estate in Wales. What we don't want to see are superprisons imposed upon this country without a holistic criminal justice policy that underpins our ambitions and our vision for this area of policy. And I contend that most people would want to see that as well.
Welsh: Roeddem yn glir iawn yn fy - [ Torri ar draws.] Mae gennyf yma - . Rwyf am ddarllen - [ Torri ar draws.] Rwyf am ddarllen - [ Torri ar draws.] Rwyf am ddarllen - . Rwyf am ddarllen y datganiad ysgrifenedig a wneuthum ym mis Ebrill. Gadewch i mi ddweud hyn: yr hyn a ddywedais bryd hynny, a'r hyn y byddaf yn ei ddweud unwaith eto y prynhawn yma, yw na fyddai datblygu rhagor o garchardai yng Nghymru er budd Llywodraeth Cymru na phobl Cymru hyd nes y bydd gennym bolisi, polisi cyfiawnder troseddol, wedi'i gytuno â'r Weinyddiaeth Gyfiawnder. Nid wyf am sefyll yma a dweud nad ydym am weld datblygu unrhyw lety diogel yn y wlad hon. Nid yw hynny'n wir. A byddai'n anghywir i mi ddweud hynny y prynhawn yma neu i wneud unrhyw ymrwymiadau ar hynny, oherwydd yr hyn rydym eisiau ei wneud yw cael gwared ar garchardai - [ Torri ar draws.] Wel, efallai nad yw'r Aelod yn dymuno gwrando; efallai mai dyna pam y mae hi wedi drysu. Nid ydym eisiau gweld - [ Torri ar draws.] Nid ydym eisiau gweld - [ Torri ar draws.] Nid ydym eisiau gweld pobl mewn hen garchardai Fictoraidd. Rydym eisiau datblygu'r carchardai a'r ystâd ddiogeledd yng Nghymru. Rydym eisiau datblygu cyfleusterau penodol ar gyfer troseddwyr benywaidd. Rydym eisiau cyfleusterau penodol ar gyfer troseddwyr ifanc. Rydym eisiau gweld buddsoddi mewn adsefydlu. Rydym eisiau gweld buddsoddi mewn cymorth cymunedol. Rydym eisiau gweld buddsoddi mewn addysg. Rydym eisiau gweld buddsoddi yn y modd rydym yn adsefydlu troseddwyr ifanc. Felly, rydym eisiau gweld llawer iawn o fuddsoddiad yn yr ystâd ddiogeledd yng Nghymru. Yr hyn nad ydym eisiau ei weld yw carchardai mawr yn cael eu gorfodi ar y wlad hon heb bolisi cyfiawnder troseddol cyfannol sy'n sylfaen i'n huchelgeisiau a'n gweledigaeth ar gyfer y maes polisi hwn. Ac rwy'n dadlau y byddai'r rhan fwyaf o bobl eisiau gweld hynny yn ogystal.