English: Minister, can I thank you for your statement this afternoon and can I also, as you have done, thank Lord Burns and his colleagues for producing this report and making recommendations as they have done? I should also like to thank Lord Burns for recently providing me with a briefing himself. I broadly welcome the recommendations. I think it's a good piece of work, with some good recommendations. Clearly, some of those recommendations need some further consideration, but there are some recommendations, I think, that certainly I feel I can support straight away, in terms of, for example, the co-ordination of bus and rail timetables at key interchanges. That's of course a sensible recommendation. Minister, you kind of ended your statement by talking about this not becoming a shiny document that sits on a shelf, effectively. So, I think that it is important that there is some context around the questions this afternoon. The Welsh Government brought forward a shiny document to deliver the M4 relief road and that did sit on a shelf for a long, long time, gathering dust, and then, of course, the First Minister threw that shiny document into the bin, and we had a Welsh Government that brought forward its own proposals for the M4 relief road, looked at independently, and after spending millions of pounds of taxpayers' money scrapped those proposals, and this is where we are today. Now, from my perspective, I think the inadequacies of the existing M4 relief road around Newport are clear for all to see. The road was first designed in the 1950s, not as a motorway but as a Newport bypass, and it falls far beyond modern motorway standards, with lane drops, intermittent hard shoulders, poor alignment, and frequent junctions. That's my firm view. I know it's your view as well because I've just used your words, that you used previously. Now, in that context, I wonder if you could, Minister, perhaps give a little bit more than you have done in your statement in terms of your initial thoughts on the recommendations. You didn't say too much about that in the statement itself. But, for example, what areas do you think that you can agree on? I've outlined some recommendations that I think I could support. What recommendations clearly can you support, and are there any recommendations that you have more difficulty with? I don't know if you can give us just a little bit more this afternoon in terms of the initial findings. You've talked again about the development unit. I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about how that will work in practice. Also, in terms of the report, perhaps setting aside the recommendations and just looking at the conclusions themselves, within the report, what new information has been drawn out from that report that perhaps wasn't brought forward via the Welsh Government's original proposals for the M4 relief road and during that public inquiry stage? What new has come about in terms of those conclusions? For example, I know you mentioned the 10 to 15-mile starting point ending at Newport, Cardiff or Bristol. What other new items are there drawn out from the report, not in the Welsh Government's original proposals for the M4 relief road? You yourself have said that the 60-year appraisal period brings more than a £2 benefit for each pound spent on the M4 relief road scheme. So, do you anticipate the same level of return from investment from the recommendations? And if you don't know the answer to that, is that something that the development unit will be looking at? Now, I've said I broadly welcome the recommendations in the report. There is one recommendation that does concern me, that I don't feel I can support, and that's around the workplace parking levy. For me, the way to change people's travelling patterns is to ensure that we've got good public transport at good prices, and we do it that way rather than by taxing people. So, with the pandemic, of course, having such a large impact on the economy, I wonder, Minister, do you consider it appropriate to be raising taxes in the way the report sets out? And if you can't guarantee that - . Or, rather, can you guarantee that no such workplace levy will be implemented under your watch, Minister? Thank you.
Welsh: Gweinidog, a gaf i ddiolch i chi am eich datganiad y prynhawn yma ac a gaf innau hefyd, fel y gwnaethoch chi, ddiolch i Arglwydd Burns a'i gydweithwyr ef am gynhyrchu'r adroddiad hwn a gwneud argymhellion yn y fath fodd? Fe hoffwn i ddiolch i Arglwydd Burns hefyd am iddo ef ei hunan roi briff i mi yn ddiweddar. Rwy'n croesawu'r argymhellion yn gyffredinol. Rwyf i o'r farn ei fod yn ddarn o waith gloyw, ac argymhellion da ynddo. Yn amlwg, mae angen rhoi ystyriaeth bellach i rai o'r argymhellion hynny, ond fe geir rhai argymhellion ynddo yr wyf i'n sicr yn teimlo y gallaf eu cefnogi nhw ar unwaith, o ran, er enghraifft, cydlynu amserlenni bysiau a rheilffyrdd mewn cyfnewidfeydd allweddol. Mae hwnnw, wrth gwrs, yn argymhelliad synhwyrol iawn. Gweinidog, fe ddaeth eich datganiad chi i ben drwy sôn am beidio â chaniatáu i hon fod yn ddogfen ddisglair sy'n cael ei gadael ar y silff, i bob pwrpas. Felly, rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig inni gael rhywfaint o'r cyd-destun ynghylch y cwestiynau'r prynhawn yma. Fe gyflwynodd Llywodraeth Cymru ddogfen ddisglair ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4 ac fe adawyd honno ar y silff am gyfnod maith iawn, yn hel llwch, ac yna, wrth gwrs, fe daflodd y Prif Weinidog y ddogfen ddisglair honno i'r bin, ac roedd gennym ni Lywodraeth yng Nghymru a oedd wedi cyflwyno ei chynigion ei hun ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4, yr edrychwyd arnyn nhw'n annibynnol, ac ar ôl gwario miliynau o bunnoedd o arian trethdalwyr fe ddilëwyd y cynigion hynny, a dyma'r sefyllfa yr ydym ni ynddi heddiw. Nawr, o'm safbwynt i, rwy'n credu bod diffygion ffordd liniaru bresennol yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd yn amlwg i bawb eu gweld. Fe gynlluniwyd y ffordd gyntaf yn y 1950au, nid fel traffordd ond fel ffordd osgoi i Gasnewydd, ac mae'n ddiffygiol iawn yn ôl safonau traffyrdd modern, gyda lonydd yn lleihau, lleiniau caled bob hyn a hyn, aliniad anfoddhaol, a chyffyrdd mynych. Dyna fy marn bendant i. Rwy'n gwybod mai honno yw eich barn chithau hefyd oherwydd rwyf newydd ddefnyddio eich geiriau chi, fel y gwnaethoch chi ynghynt. Nawr, yn y cyd-destun hwnnw, tybed a wnewch chi, Gweinidog, efallai roi ychydig mwy inni nag a wnaethoch yn eich datganiad o ran eich barn gychwynnol am yr argymhellion. Ni wnaethoch ddweud llawer iawn am hynny yn y datganiad ei hun. Ond, er enghraifft, pa feysydd ydych chi'n barnu y gallwch chi gytuno arnyn nhw? Rwyf wedi amlinellu rhai argymhellion yr wyf i o'r farn y gallwn ni eu cefnogi. Pa argymhellion y gallwch chi eu cefnogi nhw'n llwyr, ac a oes yna unrhyw argymhellion yr ydych yn cael mwy o anhawster gyda nhw? Nid wyf yn gwybod a allwch chi roi ychydig mwy i ni'r prynhawn yma o ran y canfyddiadau cychwynnol. Rydych wedi siarad eto am yr uned ddatblygu. Tybed a wnewch chi ddweud ychydig mwy am sut y bydd hynny'n gweithio yn ymarferol. Hefyd, o ran yr adroddiad, gan roi'r argymhellion o'r neilltu efallai ac ystyried y casgliadau eu hunain, o fewn yr adroddiad, a pha wybodaeth newydd a gasglwyd o'r adroddiad hwnnw na chafodd ei chyflwyno efallai drwy gynigion gwreiddiol Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4 ac yn ystod y cam hwnnw o ymchwiliad cyhoeddus? Pa bethau newydd sydd wedi digwydd o ran y casgliadau hynny? Er enghraifft, rwy'n gwybod ichi sôn am y man cychwyn o 10 i 15 milltir sy'n diweddu yng Nghasnewydd, Caerdydd neu Fryste. Pa eitemau newydd eraill a gasglwyd o'r adroddiad, ac nid o gynigion gwreiddiol Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer ffordd liniaru'r M4? Rydych chi eich hun wedi dweud bod y cyfnod arfarnu 60 mlynedd yn dod â mwy na £2 o fuddiant am bob punt a gaiff ei gwario ar gynllun ffordd liniaru'r M4. Felly, a ydych chi'n rhagweld yr un gyfradd o elw yn dod o fuddsoddiad o'r argymhellion? Ac os nad ydych chi'n gwybod yr ateb i hynny, a yw'n rhywbeth y bydd yr uned ddatblygu yn ei ystyried? Nawr, rwyf wedi dweud fy mod i'n croesawu'r argymhellion yn yr adroddiad yn gyffredinol. Mae yna un argymhelliad sy'n peri pryder imi, ac nid wyf yn teimlo y gallaf ei gefnogi. Mae'n ymwneud â'r ardoll ar barcio yn y gweithle. I mi, y ffordd i newid patrymau teithio pobl yw sicrhau bod gennym drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus hwylus am brisiau rhesymol, a'n bod ni'n gwneud hynny yn hytrach na threthu pobl. Felly, gyda'r pandemig, wrth gwrs, yn cael cymaint o effaith ar yr economi, tybed, Gweinidog, a ydych chi o'r farn ei bod yn briodol inni godi trethi yn y ffordd y mae'r adroddiad yn ei nodi? Ac os na allwch chi warantu bod - . Neu, yn hytrach, a allwch chi warantu na fydd yna ardoll ar barcio yn y gweithle yn cael ei gweithredu dan eich gwyliadwriaeth chi, Gweinidog? Diolch.