English: I congratulate the Member on his work, actually, over a long period of time, putting the case for seaside towns, and I congratulate the Conservatives, who are representing rather more, at least at Westminster level, than they were before. But not all seaside towns are deprived. I'm not sure whether we'll hear from David Melding - perhaps he'll be putting the case for Penarth, but I'm not sure that, as a category, seaside towns are necessarily under greater deprivation, and I don't understand the linkage to market towns. Perhaps expanding the reach of the motion gets more support from across the Conservative group, but overall, I don't associate market towns as being, on average, or the first word that comes to my mind to associate with market towns, as one of deprivation. I'm sure there are pockets of deprivation in market towns, and I'm sure some market towns are more deprived than others, but the idea of setting up a special new fund just for seaside towns and market towns I worry is, (1) bureaucratic, and a new fund and structure for doing this may be over the top, and (2) do all seaside towns and market towns - do we want to see that benefit spread on the basis that they are deprived? So, what are the market towns? We need a definition. We have from Visit Wales a list of 21 market towns, and I have a rather wonderful book I've had at home for some years, Market Town Wales, from David Williams, and he also gives a list, in his case of 25, and some sort of definition. He says there are about 50 towns in Wales where you've got a medium size of lettering on the map. Some were defensive sites, and others - he specifically excludes the linear towns of the southern coalfield, the quarry communities of Snowdonia, and also the industrial centres of north-east Wales. So all those are excluded from his definition of market towns. I'm not sure whether the Conservatives want to exclude it from theirs, or from the benefit from these funds, but I would just question whether this motion as it is written is one that should have support, or whether it's as well thought through as it might have been. Thank you.
Welsh: Rwy'n llongyfarch yr Aelod ar ei waith dros gyfnod hir o amser, yn cyflwyno'r achos dros drefi glan môr, ac rwy'n llongyfarch y Ceidwadwyr, sy'n cynrychioli ychydig yn fwy, ar lefel San Steffan o leiaf, nag y gwnaent o'r blaen. Ond nid yw pob tref glan môr yn ddifreintiedig. Nid wyf yn siŵr a fyddwn yn clywed gan David Melding - efallai y bydd yn cyflwyno'r achos dros Benarth, ond nid wyf yn siŵr, fel categori, fod trefi glan môr o reidrwydd yn fwy difreintiedig, ac nid wyf yn deall y cysylltiad â threfi marchnad. Efallai y bydd ehangu cwmpas y cynnig yn cael mwy o gefnogaeth ar draws y grŵp Ceidwadol, ond ar y cyfan, nid wyf yn cysylltu trefi marchnad fel rhai sydd, ar gyfartaledd, ac nid y gair cyntaf sy'n dod i fy meddwl mewn perthynas â threfi marchnad, yw amddifadedd. Rwy'n siŵr bod pocedi o amddifadedd mewn trefi marchnad, ac rwy'n siŵr bod rhai trefi marchnad yn fwy difreintiedig nag eraill, ond rwy'n pryderu bod y syniad o sefydlu cronfa newydd arbennig ar gyfer trefi glan môr a threfi marchnad, (1) yn fiwrocrataidd, ac efallai fod cronfa a strwythur newydd ar gyfer gwneud hyn yn mynd dros ben llestri, a (2) a yw'r holl drefi glan môr a threfi marchnad - a ydym am weld y budd hwnnw'n cael ei ledaenu ar y sail eu bod yn ddifreintiedig? Felly, beth yw'r trefi marchnad? Rydym angen diffiniad. Mae gennym restr gan Croeso Cymru o 21 o drefi marchnad, ac mae gennyf lyfr arbennig o wych adref ers rhai blynyddoedd, sef Market Town Wales, gan David Williams, ac mae yntau hefyd yn rhoi rhestr, o 25 yn ei achos ef, a rhyw fath o ddiffiniad. Mae'n dweud bod tua 50 o drefi yng Nghymru lle mae gennych lythrennu maint canolig ar y map. Roedd rhai'n safleoedd amddiffynnol, ac eraill - yn benodol, mae'n eithrio trefi hirfain maes glo de Cymru, cymunedau chwarelyddol Eryri, a chanolfannau diwydiannol gogledd-ddwyrain Cymru. Felly mae pob un o'r rheini wedi'u heithrio o'i ddiffiniad o drefi marchnad. Nid wyf yn siŵr a yw'r Ceidwadwyr am eu heithrio o'u diffiniad hwy, nac o'r budd a geir yn y cronfeydd hyn, ond rwy'n cwestiynu a yw'r cynnig hwn fel y'i hysgrifennwyd yn un a ddylai gael cefnogaeth, neu a gafodd ei ystyried mor drylwyr ag y gellid bod wedi'i wneud. Diolch.