English: I don't think I can add any more other than to say that I completely agree with what's been said by Lee Waters and Nick Ramsay. I said yesterday that I thought the governance of Natural Resources Wales was rotten and I had no faith in it: I repeat that just to get it on the record with you. I have no faith in the governance of this organisation at the moment. You know, making one mistake and a mistake carrying on for a second year you can kind of understand - it was a big mistake, mind you; heads should have rolled about that one - but then to do this on a number of contracts shows there's something fundamentally wrong. Now, Lee Waters did mention corruption. I don't know whether that's true, but I've written to you with an evidenced case from a constituent of mine of how he believes a contract was constructed in such a way as to ensure that one contractor could win it, with Natural Resources Wales then paying extra on top of the contract because it had been done in the wrong way - so, the equipment was being bought separately, whereas my constituent had bid for it with the equipment as part of the contract - in other words, jobs for boys, or doing things for people that you know. I'd like you to reopen that correspondence that we've had because you, I have to be honest, gave me a brush-off and said my constituent should take it through the Natural Resources Wales complaints procedures. Well, of course he had - of course he had - and he's now taken it to the ombudsman and he's taken it to the BBC as well. But this is something seriously wrong, and these things don't happen through incompetence. You do it once or twice through incompetence. This is something that's much more fundamental. So, I want to push you even further than what you've just said. Really, can the chair continue? And, secondly, will you send in your own officials to examine these contracts, top to bottom, and make sure that every single one of them is not being done with any gifts and favours involved in them?
Welsh: Nid wyf yn credu y gallaf ychwanegu unrhyw beth arall ar wahân i ddweud fy mod yn cytuno'n llwyr â'r hyn a ddywedodd Lee Waters a Nick Ramsay. Dywedais ddoe fy mod yn credu bod system lywodraethu Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru yn bwdr ac nad oes gennyf unrhyw ffydd ynddi: rwy'n ailadrodd hynny er mwyn ei gofnodi gyda chi. Nid oes gennyf unrhyw ffydd yn system lywodraethu'r sefydliad hwn ar hyn o bryd. Hynny yw, gallwch ryw fath o ddeall gwneud un camgymeriad a bod y camgymeriad hwnnw'n para am ail flwyddyn - roedd yn gamgymeriad mawr, cofiwch chi; dylai rhywrai fod wedi talu'n ddrud am hwnnw - ond mae gwneud hyn gyda nifer o gontractau yn dangos bod rhywbeth sylfaenol o'i le. Nawr, soniodd Lee Waters am lygredd. Ni wn a yw hynny'n wir, ond rwyf wedi ysgrifennu atoch gydag achos â thystiolaeth gan un o fy etholwyr ynglŷn â sut y mae'n credu bod contract wedi'i lunio mewn modd sy'n sicrhau y gallai un contractwr ei ennill, gyda Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru yn talu mwy ar ben y contract oherwydd ei fod wedi cael ei wneud yn y ffordd anghywir - felly, roedd yr offer yn cael ei brynu ar wahân, tra bo fy etholwr wedi gwneud cais amdano gyda'r offer yn rhan o'r contract - mewn geiriau eraill, swyddi i'r hogiau, gwneud pethau ar gyfer pobl rydych yn eu hadnabod. Hoffwn i chi ailagor yr ohebiaeth a gawsom oherwydd fe wnaethoch chi, mae'n rhaid i mi fod yn onest, wrthod gwrando arnaf a dweud y dylai fy etholwr gyflwyno ei achos i weithdrefnau cwynion Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru. Wel, wrth gwrs, roedd wedi gwneud hynny - wrth gwrs ei fod - ac mae bellach wedi'i ddwyn i sylw'r ombwdsmon a'r BBC yn ogystal. Ond mae rhywbeth mawr o'i le fan hyn, ac nid yw'r pethau hyn yn digwydd oherwydd anghymhwystra. Anghymhwystra fyddai ei wneud unwaith neu ddwywaith. Mae hwn yn rhywbeth llawer mwy sylfaenol. Felly, rwyf am eich gwthio hyd yn oed ymhellach na'r hyn rydych newydd ei ddweud. O ddifrif, a all y cadeirydd barhau? Ac yn ail, a wnewch chi anfon eich swyddogion eich hun i mewn i edrych ar y contractau hyn, o'r brig i'r bôn, a gwneud yn siŵr nad oes unrhyw un ohonynt yn cael ei wneud gyda rhoddion neu ffafrau ynghlwm wrthynt?