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English: Item 6 today is the debate on petition P-06-1249, 'Provide a clinical pathway, medical care, and specialists for people with Tourette's syndrome in Wales'. I call on the Chair of the Petitions Committee to move the motion - Jack Sargeant.
Welsh: Eitem 6 heddiw yw'r ddadl ar ddeiseb P-06-1249, 'Darparu llwybr clinigol, gofal meddygol, ac arbenigwyr i bobl â Syndrom Tourette yng Nghymru'. Galwaf ar Gadeirydd y pwyllgor i wneud y cynnig - Jack Sargeant.
English: On behalf of the Petitions Committee, I'm pleased to have the opportunity to introduce this debate.
Welsh: Ar ran y Pwyllgor Deisebau, diolch am y cyfle i gyflwyno'r ddadl bwysig hon.
English: The proposal is to note the petition. Does any Member object? I don't see an objection, and therefore the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid nodi'r ddeiseb? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Nid wyf yn gweld gwrthwynebiad, felly derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.
English: Item 7 is next, and that's the Plaid Cymru debate on post-Brexit funding. I call on Luke Fletcher to move the motion.
Welsh: Eitem 7 sydd nesaf, dadl Plaid Cymru ar gyllid ar ôl Brexit. Galwaf ar Luke Fletcher i wneud y cynnig.
English: I have selected the amendment for the motion and I call on Paul Davies to move amendment 1 tabled in the name of Darren Millar.
Welsh: Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliant i'r cynnig, a galwaf ar Paul Davies i gynnig gwelliant 1 yn enw Darren Millar.
English: Thank you for giving way, Paul. I appreciate what you're saying about getting some of these decisions down to a local area. In fact, that's what the strategic group looking at regional funding within Wales was looking at, based on the very best OECD models. I had the privilege of chairing it for a while. But, what they didn't suggest was, in any way, bypassing the policy framework in Wales at a national level. They actually recognised the need for partnership and working within that context. Why has the UK Government chosen to, effectively, bypass this devolved institution and Welsh Government?
Welsh: Diolch am ildio, Paul. Rwy'n deall yr hyn a ddywedwch ynglŷn â mynd â rhai o'r penderfyniadau hyn i lawr i ardal leol. A dweud y gwir, dyna oedd y grŵp strategol a fu'n edrych ar gyllid rhanbarthol yng Nghymru yn edrych arno, yn seiliedig ar fodelau gorau'r Sefydliad ar gyfer Cydweithrediad a Datblygiad Economaidd. Cefais y fraint o'i gadeirio am ychydig. Ond yr hyn nad oeddent yn ei awgrymu, mewn unrhyw ffordd, oedd osgoi'r fframwaith polisi yng Nghymru ar lefel genedlaethol. Roeddent yn cydnabod yr angen am bartneriaeth a gweithio o fewn y cyd-destun hwnnw. Pam fod Llywodraeth y DU wedi dewis osgoi'r sefydliad datganoledig hwn a Llywodraeth Cymru i bob pwrpas?
English: I'm very grateful for you taking the intervention. I think you're quite right, actually, to raise the fact that it is regrettable, in my view, that Members of the Senedd are not part of the decision-making process in the way that MPs are when it comes to this new funding stream. But do you also accept that it's a matter of regret that with the Welsh Government's approach, I had no say in what was being spent in my own constituency, you had no say in what was being spent in your constituency either, in terms of the way that they were dealing out the cash that was available from the European Union. So, don't you think that that is perhaps - [ Interruption.] - don't you think that that is perhaps, therefore, a lesson for the Welsh Government in the way that it handles grant funds in the future? Because I agree with you, I think it would be great to give more local people greater say, including us.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i chi am dderbyn yr ymyriad. Credaf eich bod yn iawn i godi'r ffaith ei bod yn anffodus, yn fy marn i, nad yw Aelodau o'r Senedd yn rhan o'r broses o wneud penderfyniadau yn yr un ffordd ag Aelodau Seneddol y DU mewn perthynas â'r ffrwd gyllido newydd hon. Ond a ydych yn derbyn hefyd, gyda dull Llywodraeth Cymru o weithredu, ei fod yn destun gofid na chefais unrhyw lais yn yr hyn a oedd yn cael ei wario yn fy etholaeth fy hun, ac na chawsoch chi unrhyw lais yn yr hyn a oedd yn cael ei wario yn eich etholaeth chithau ychwaith, o ran y ffordd yr oeddent yn dyrannu'r arian a oedd ar gael gan yr Undeb Ewropeaidd. Felly, onid ydych yn credu bod hynny, efallai - [ Torri ar draws.] - onid ydych yn credu bod hynny, efallai, felly, yn wers i Lywodraeth Cymru yn y ffordd y mae'n ymdrin ag arian grant yn y dyfodol? Oherwydd rwy'n cytuno â chi, rwy'n credu y byddai'n wych rhoi mwy o lais i fwy o bobl leol, gan ein cynnwys ni.
English: That's actually part of the lessons that we took through in the framework that we put forward and that the OECD worked with us directly on over those three years. The OECD, by the way, is still working with Welsh Government on these matters, and I think that question of learning the lessons of pulling out some of the bureaucracy, but actually within the proposals here, Darren, what we have got is some of that burden of administration - it's a competitive bid process now within the IPs. That competitive bid process is now being managed by individual local authorities. I could go through the list of what we've heard on the forum that continues in a different format to actually share experience from CBI, FSB, the third sector and everybody else, and what they are saying about their experience of this. Actually, they are now taking on that burden of administering this - [ Interruption. ] I will give way, but I'm conscious of time.
Welsh: Mae hynny'n rhan o'r gwersi y gwnaethom eu cynnwys yn y fframwaith a gyflwynwyd gennym ac y bu'r Sefydliad ar gyfer Cydweithrediad a Datblygiad Economaidd yn gweithio gyda ni yn uniongyrchol arnynt dros y tair blynedd hynny. Mae'r Sefydliad ar gyfer Cydweithrediad a Datblygiad Economaidd, gyda llaw, yn dal i weithio gyda Llywodraeth Cymru ar y materion hyn, ac rwy'n credu, y cwestiwn hwnnw ynghylch dysgu gwersi yn sgil cael gwared â pheth o'r fiwrocratiaeth, ond o fewn y cynigion yma, Darren, yr hyn sydd gennym yw peth o'r baich gweinyddol - mae'n broses geisiadau gystadleuol yn awr rhwng y partïon a chanddynt fuddiant. Mae'r broses geisiadau gystadleuol honno bellach yn cael ei rheoli gan awdurdodau lleol unigol. Gallwn fynd drwy'r rhestr o'r hyn a glywsom ar y fforwm sy'n parhau mewn fformat gwahanol i rannu profiadau Cydffederasiwn Diwydiant Prydain, Ffederasiwn Busnesau Bach, y trydydd sector a phawb arall, a'r hyn y maent yn ei ddweud am eu profiad o hyn. A dweud y gwir, maent bellach yn ysgwyddo'r baich o weinyddu hyn - [ Torri ar draws.] Fe ildiaf, ond rwy'n ymwybodol o'r amser.
English: It's a very brief one. And, of course, local authorities do say how difficult it is for them to deal with the administrative burden of this. In response to what Darren Millar said, yes, of course we have, as Members of the Senedd, an opportunity to scrutinise decisions taken by Welsh Government. That is our role as parliamentarians, and does the Member for Ogmore agree that the danger in giving direct influence for Members is that you turn into a pork barrel politics type of scenario?
Welsh: Mae'n un byr iawn. Ac wrth gwrs, mae awdurdodau lleol yn dweud pa mor anodd yw hi iddynt ymdrin â baich gweinyddol hyn. Mewn ymateb i'r hyn a ddywedodd Darren Millar, oes, wrth gwrs, mae gennym ni, fel Aelodau o'r Senedd, gyfle i graffu ar benderfyniadau a wneir gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Dyna yw ein rôl fel seneddwyr, ac a yw'r Aelod dros Ogwr yn cytuno mai'r perygl wrth roi dylanwad uniongyrchol i Aelodau yw eich bod yn troi'r sefyllfa yn wleidyddiaeth 'casgen borc'?
English: Look, I'd hate to say it is going to be that way, but it is indeed a danger, and the fact that we can't scrutinise - so it's already been flagged by the forum members that they have concerns that some of the proposals being brought forward will actually duplicate existing Welsh Government programmes. Now, that would be not just a waste of resource and time, which are scarce anyway, but they may actually work against each other. Well, surely, that's crazy. That is not good regional economic framework modelling. So, we should be able to, Darren, not just at a local level, but at a regional level and here engage on these projects and get them right so we don't have that duplication. Sorry, I've taken a couple of interventions, so I'm going to run out of time very shortly, as in now -
Welsh: Edrychwch, byddai'n gas gennyf ddweud ei bod yn mynd i fod felly, ond yn wir, mae yna berygl, ac mae'r ffaith na allwn graffu - felly, mae aelodau'r fforwm eisoes wedi tynnu sylw at y ffaith bod ganddynt bryderon y bydd rhai o'r cynigion sy'n cael eu gwneud yn dyblygu rhaglenni presennol Llywodraeth Cymru. Nawr, nid yn unig y byddai hynny'n wastraff ar adnoddau ac amser, sy'n brin beth bynnag, ond efallai y byddant yn gweithio yn erbyn ei gilydd. Wel, yn sicr, mae hynny'n wallgof. Nid yw hynny'n fodelu fframwaith economaidd rhanbarthol da. Felly, Darren, dylem allu ymgysylltu ar y prosiectau hyn, nid yn unig ar lefel leol, ond ar lefel ranbarthol ac yma, a sicrhau eu bod yn iawn fel nad ydym yn dyblygu. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, rwyf wedi derbyn cwpl o ymyriadau, felly bydd fy amser ar ben cyn bo hir, hynny yw, nawr -
English: I'm not sure whether you've actually started yet, you've taken so many interventions. [ Laughter. ]
Welsh: Nid wyf yn siŵr eich bod wedi dechrau eto mewn gwirionedd, rydych wedi derbyn cymaint o ymyriadau. [ Chwerthin.]
English: I was astonished to hear you say, 'Why does Wales need this money any longer?' We're in the middle of a climate emergency and we have a massive programme of decarbonisation that we need to achieve, and that's one of the things that the European programme was used for.
Welsh: Fe'm syfrdanwyd wrth eich clywed yn dweud, 'Pam fod angen yr arian hwn ar Gymru rhagor?' Rydym yng nghanol argyfwng hinsawdd ac mae gennym raglen ddatgarboneiddio enfawr y mae angen inni ei chyflawni, a dyna un o'r pethau y defnyddiwyd y rhaglen Ewropeaidd ar ei gyfer.
English: Thank you for that. I think you misunderstood me. I'm asking for that wider debate of why we are still in here after 20 years. I'm conscious there are some new emerging areas where the money will be focused toward, but we have to ask ourselves why the country is still in such a desperate position for economic growth, and we're not seeing that movement that we need to mobilise our communities, despite all of the funding that has gone into the area. You know from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's report published earlier this year, it stated that Wales has the highest poverty rate among the four nations in the UK, with almost one in four - 23 per cent of people - in poverty; between 1997 and 2000, this rate was 26 per cent. So, despite all of the EU funding, Wales still faces persistent poverty and an economy that lags behind the rest of the UK. So, the real question is not how much money Wales receives, but how we can use the new funding mechanism as a fresh start to ensure that the future investments made by both Governments - and I emphasise both - make a real, long-term difference to the Welsh economy and communities. Because, ultimately, despite all of the debate here, we must not forget what this funding needs to do. So, it's not just about shouting about who's right and who's wrong; it's how we use the money and lift this country out of the position it's currently in.
Welsh: Diolch ichi am hynny. Rwy'n credu eich bod wedi fy nghamddeall. Rwy'n gofyn am ddadl ehangach ynglŷn â pham ein bod yn dal i fod yma ar ôl 20 mlynedd. Rwy'n ymwybodol fod arian wedi'i gyfeirio at rai meysydd newydd sy'n ymddangos, ond mae'n rhaid inni ofyn i ni'n hunain pam y mae'r wlad yn dal i fod mewn sefyllfa mor enbyd o ran twf economaidd, ac nad ydym yn gweld y symudiad sydd ei angen arnom i ysgogi ein cymunedau, er gwaethaf yr holl gyllid sydd wedi mynd i mewn i'r ardal. Fe wyddoch o adroddiad Sefydliad Joseph Rowntree a gyhoeddwyd yn gynharach eleni, ei fod wedi datgan mai Cymru sydd â'r gyfradd tlodi uchaf ym mhedair gwlad y DU, gyda bron un o bob pedwar - 23 y cant o bobl - yn byw mewn tlodi; rhwng 1997 a 2000, roedd y gyfradd hon yn 26 y cant. Felly, er gwaethaf holl gyllid yr UE, mae Cymru'n dal i wynebu tlodi parhaus ac economi sydd ar ei hôl hi o'i chymharu â gweddill y DU. Felly, y cwestiwn go iawn yw nid faint o arian y mae Cymru'n ei gael, ond sut y gallwn ddefnyddio'r mecanwaith ariannu newydd fel dechrau newydd i sicrhau bod y buddsoddiadau a wneir gan y ddwy Lywodraeth yn y dyfodol - ac rwy'n pwysleisio y ddwy - yn gwneud gwahaniaeth real, hirdymor i economi a chymunedau Cymru. Oherwydd, yn y pen draw, er gwaethaf yr holl ddadlau yn y fan hon, rhaid inni beidio ag anghofio'r hyn y mae angen i'r cyllid hwn ei wneud. Felly, nid yw'n ymwneud â gweiddi am bwy sy'n iawn a phwy sy'n anghywir; mae'n ymwneud â sut y defnyddiwn yr arian a chodi'r wlad hon allan o'r sefyllfa y mae ynddi ar hyn o bryd.
English: Just as decisions about Wales should be made in Wales, the funding allocated to Wales should be spent by the Welsh Government. That's a fundamental principle. Let's bear in mind that two years ago the Government in London announced the levelling-up fund, which was worth around £5 billion, for England only. It was only a year later that they acknowledged that some of it would be distributed between the devolved nations, with £800 million shared through the Barnett formula to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Rather than levelling up, what we are seeing is the latest proposals spreading the resources available to us thinner and thinner and drawing funding away from those areas where they are most needed. You will, I'm sure, bear in mind that, under the EU's criteria previously, Gwynedd was considered as an area that required financial assistance, and Gwynedd did receive contributions from the EU running into millions of pounds. But, under the current regime, Gwynedd is seen as an area that isn't in need of support and so is one of the lowest areas in terms of support through levelling up, whilst the county and area of the Chancellor is identified as an area that needed more funding and is therefore receiving more funding. So, the system put in place by Westminster is perverse and works against our most deprived areas.
Welsh: Yn union fel y dylai penderfyniadau am Gymru gael eu gwneud yng Nghymru, dylai'r cyllid a ddyrennir i Gymru gael ei wario gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Mae honno'n egwyddor sylfaenol. Gadewch inni gofio ddwy flynedd yn ôl fod Llywodraeth Llundain wedi cyhoeddi'r gronfa lefelu i fyny a oedd yn werth bron i £5 biliwn o bunnoedd ar gyfer Lloegr yn unig. Dim ond blwyddyn yn ddiweddarach ddaru nhw gydnabod y byddai ychydig ohono fo yn cael ei rannu rhwng yr ardaloedd a'r gwledydd datganoledig, efo £800 miliwn yn cael ei rannu drwy fformiwla Barnett i Gymru, yr Alban a Gogledd Iwerddon. Yn lle lefelu i fyny, yr hyn rydym ni'n ei weld ydy'r cynigion diweddaraf yn lledaenu'r adnoddau sydd gennym ni yn deneuach ac yn tynnu arian oddi wrth y mannau hynny lle mae eu hangen nhw fwyaf. Byddwch chi'n cofio, mae'n siŵr, o dan feini prawf yr Undeb Ewropeaidd yn flaenorol, roedd Gwynedd yn cael ei hystyried fel ardal a oedd angen cymorth ariannol, ac mi ddaru Gwynedd dderbyn cyfraniadau oddi wrth yr Undeb Ewropeaidd yn y miliynau. Ond, o dan y gyfundrefn bresennol, mae Gwynedd yn cael ei gweld fel ardal sydd ddim angen cymorth ac felly yn un o'r ardaloedd isaf o ran cymorth yn lefelu i fyny, tra bod sir ac ardal y Canghellor yn cael ei chydnabod fel un o'r ardaloedd oedd angen mwy o bres ac yn derbyn mwy o arian. Felly, mae'r drefn sy'n cael ei gosod gan San Steffan yn un gwyrdroëdig sydd yn gweithio yn erbyn ein hardaloedd mwyaf anghenus.
English: Therefore, as Plaid Cymru has explained in this debate, the funding agenda post Brexit in Westminster has meant to date more powers for Westminster, more money for Tory constituencies, and less democracy for Wales, and less funding and representation for Wales too. We deserve better than this clear effort to buy loyalty for a split and failing union.
Welsh: Felly, fel mae Plaid Cymru wedi egluro yn y ddadl hon, mae agenda ariannu San Steffan ar ôl Brexit wedi golygu hyd yma fwy o bwerau i San Steffan, mwy o arian i seddi'r Torïaid, a llai o ddemocratiaeth i Gymru, a llai o gyllid a chynrychiolaeth i Gymru hefyd. Rydyn ni'n haeddu gwell na'r ymgais amlwg hon i brynu teyrngarwch i undeb rhanedig a methedig, anghyfartal a blinedig. Diolch.
English: Thank you, Llywydd, and I'm very grateful to Plaid Cymru for this debate today.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd, a dwi'n ddiolchgar iawn hefyd i Blaid Cymru am y ddadl yma heddiw.
English: Thank you, Jane, for taking the intervention. I think you mentioned my comments about R&D. I absolutely agree with Sioned on R&D, and that isn't necessarily because of this fund, it's because of the lack of Government interaction in trying to lever in the R&D into this country. Look at Scotland, how Scotland have levered in so much more than we have. We - this Government - have let Wales down on R&D, and we need to do a lot more. But what I was saying in my contribution was about why we have got into this position, and why haven't we done more about it til now. I'm not saying there isn't a need for funding, but why are we still in this situation? And just for clarity, the farming community are still getting £337 million a year. That is fact.
Welsh: Diolch am dderbyn yr ymyriad, Jane. Credaf ichi sôn am fy sylwadau ynglŷn ag ymchwil a datblygu. Cytunaf yn llwyr â Sioned ynglŷn ag ymchwil a datblygu, ac nid o reidrwydd oherwydd y gronfa hon, ond yn hytrach oherwydd diffyg rhyngweithio'r Llywodraeth wrth geisio denu ymchwil a datblygu i'r wlad hon. Edrychwch ar yr Alban, y ffordd y mae'r Alban wedi ysgogi cymaint mwy nag a wnaethom ni. Rydym ni - y Llywodraeth hon - wedi siomi Cymru mewn perthynas ag ymchwil a datblygu, ac mae angen inni wneud llawer mwy. Ond roeddwn yn gofyn yn fy nghyfraniad pam ein bod wedi mynd i'r sefyllfa hon, a pham nad ydym wedi gwneud mwy yn ei gylch tan yn awr. Nid wyf yn dweud nad oes angen cyllid, ond pam rydym yn dal i fod yn y sefyllfa hon? Ac er eglurder, mae'r gymuned ffermio yn dal i gael £337 miliwn y flwyddyn. Mae hynny'n ffaith.
English: Well, thank you very much for your intervention. Perhaps you could respond to the NFU. As Mabon has said to us, the NFU themselves have told us about the lack of funding for our farmers and how let down they feel, so it really is important that we think about those farmers and our agricultural community. And R&D is absolutely essential to Scotland, England and Wales. My challenge to you, and I'll finish with this, is: if a Conservative wants to stand up and tell us about the loss of EU funding, please answer these three questions. Why will Wales not lose out? Where will that money come from? How much, and when will it come? Because we're still waiting, and we can't wait any longer on behalf of our communities. Thank you, diolch yn fawr iawn.
Welsh: Wel, diolch yn fawr am eich ymyriad. Efallai y gallech ymateb i'r NFU. Fel y mae Mabon wedi dweud wrthym, mae'r NFU eu hunain wedi dweud wrthym am y diffyg cyllid i'n ffermwyr a pha mor siomedig y maent yn teimlo, felly mae'n bwysig iawn inni feddwl am y ffermwyr hynny a'n cymuned amaethyddol. Ac mae ymchwil a datblygu yn gwbl hanfodol i Gymru, yr Alban a Lloegr. Fy her i chi, ac fe ddof i ben gyda hyn: os yw Ceidwadwr am codi ar ei draed a dweud wrthym am golli cyllid yr UE, atebwch y tri chwestiwn hyn. Pam na fydd Cymru ar ei cholled? O ble y daw'r arian hwnnw? Faint, a phryd y daw? Oherwydd rydym yn dal i aros, ac ni allwn aros yn hwy ar ran ein cymunedau. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: I'm not speaking this afternoon to be an apologist for the UK Government. However, I do take issue with Plaid's motion this afternoon and the stance of their puppet masters in the Welsh Government. Wales will not be £1 billion worse off in unreplaced funding over the next three years, nor has the UK Government undermined the Welsh Government's ability to strategically plan spending for the benefit of Wales and its communities. This blatant Welsh nationalist propaganda has to be treated with the contempt it deserves. The double accounting, fanciful figures and the revisionist history that has been used to come up with Wales's imaginary losses - it would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Its only purpose is to undermine the United Kingdom and further a nationalist agenda of dragging a so-called independent Wales kicking and screaming back into the European Union. Plaid and, for some unknown reason, the Labour Party want to take us back to the halcyon days of EU membership, when the handouts were large and the gravy train was at full throttle. But, in their rush to paint a rose-tinted epitaph to the past, they fail to mention all the times that they themselves hit out at the useless bureaucratic EU funding schemes - schemes that were designed to bring Wales out of poverty, yet utterly failed to do anything other than create more bureaucrats and a few vanity projects. Objective 1 funding was a once-in-a-generation opportunity to improve Wales's economic prosperity -
Welsh: Nid wyf yn siarad y prynhawn yma i achub cam Llywodraeth y DU. Fodd bynnag, rwy'n anghytuno â chynnig Plaid Cymru y prynhawn yma a safbwynt y rhai sy'n tynnu eu llinynnau yn Llywodraeth Cymru. Ni fydd Cymru £1 biliwn yn waeth ei byd dros y tair blynedd nesaf am nad yw'n cael cyllid yr arferai ei gael, ac nid yw Llywodraeth y DU ychwaith wedi tanseilio gallu Llywodraeth Cymru i gynllunio gwariant yn strategol er budd Cymru a'i chymunedau. Rhaid trin propaganda amlwg o'r fath gan genedlaetholwyr Cymreig gyda'r dirmyg y mae'n ei haeddu. Byddai cyfrifyddu dwbl, ffigurau ffansïol a'r hanes adolygiadol a ddefnyddiwyd i feddwl am golledion dychmygol Cymru - byddai'n ddoniol pe na bai mor beryglus. Ei unig bwrpas yw tanseilio'r Deyrnas Unedig a hyrwyddo agenda genedlaetholgar o lusgo Cymru annibynnol fel y'i gelwir yn groes i'w hewyllys yn ôl i mewn i'r Undeb Ewropeaidd. Mae Plaid Cymru, a'r Blaid Lafur am ryw reswm anhysbys, am fynd â ni yn ôl i oes aur ein haelodaeth o'r UE, pan oedd y cymorthdaliadau'n fawr a'r trên grefi ar ei anterth. Ond yn eu rhuthr i beintio beddargraff caredig i'r gorffennol, nid ydynt yn sôn am yr holl adegau pan oeddent hwy eu hunain yn taro allan yn erbyn cynlluniau ariannu biwrocrataidd diwerth yr UE - cynlluniau a luniwyd i godi Cymru allan o dlodi, ond a fethodd wneud dim heblaw creu mwy o fiwrocratiaid ac ambell brosiect porthi balchder. Roedd arian Amcan 1 yn gyfle unwaith mewn cenhedlaeth i wella ffyniant economaidd Cymru -
English: No. I would have accepted if I was taking an intervention.
Welsh: Na. Byddwn wedi derbyn pe bawn yn derbyn ymyriad.
English: No. Okay. He's not taking an intervention, Alun Davies.
Welsh: Na. O'r gorau. Nid yw'n derbyn ymyriad, Alun Davies.