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English: Good morning. I notice in your evidence that you note that the core of these proposals is the desire to simplify the system, and I think everybody would agree with that. It's become clear by now that there is no need for legislation to do that, so there was no need for legislation for moving in that direction. And then the second part was establishing appropriate structures for achieving Cymraeg 2050. And I think that the stakeholders who've responded negatively to the White Paper still feel that there is a need for a suitable structure for promoting the Welsh language, but that what was in the White Paper was not the best way to move forward, because that was going to weaken the functions of the Welsh Language Commissioner and the standards and so forth. And we're pleased to see that that is going to continue. However, at this point, isn't the argument about establishing some sort of suitable structure for the promotion work, rather than giving it to the commissioner, still a valid argument: another structure, not just to do the promotional work, but also to do the language planning work - an agency or whatever - which really was the basis of this £5 million agreed between Plaid Cymru and the Government two years ago? That was the discussion at the time. All of that has gone for a while - okay; we are where we are. Is there an opportunity now to have that wider discussion or - ? You, clearly, feel that moving things to the commissioner's office is the best way forward.
Welsh: Bore da. Dwi'n sylwi, yn eich tystiolaeth chi, eich bod chi'n nodi mai hanfod y cynigion yn y Papur Gwyn oedd dyhead i symleiddio'r system safonau, a dwi'n meddwl y byddai pawb yn cyd-fynd efo hynna. Mae hi wedi dod yn amlwg erbyn hyn nad oes angen deddfwriaeth i wneud hynny, felly doedd dim angen deddfwriaeth ar gyfer symud i'r cyfeiriad yna. Ac wedyn yr ail ran oedd sefydlu strwythurau addas ar gyfer cyflawni Cymraeg 2050. A dwi'n meddwl bod y rhanddeiliaid sydd wedi ymateb yn negyddol i'r Papur Gwyn yn dal yn teimlo bod angen strwythur addas ar gyfer hyrwyddo a hybu'r Gymraeg, ond taw ddim beth oedd yn y Papur Gwyn oedd y ffordd orau ymlaen, oherwydd roedd hwnna'n mynd i wanio swyddogaeth Comisiynydd y Gymraeg a'r safonau ac yn y blaen. Ac dŷn ni'n falch o weld bod hynny'n parhau. Ond, ar y pwynt yma, onid ydy'r ddadl am sefydlu rhyw fath o strwythur addas ar gyfer gwneud y gwaith hybu a hyrwyddo, yn hytrach na'i roi o i'r comisiynydd, yn dal yn ddadl ddilys ar y pwynt yma: strwythur arall, nid jest i wneud y gwaith hybu a hyrwyddo, ond i wneud y gwaith cynllunio ieithyddol ac yn blaen - asiantaeth neu beth bynnag - sef beth oedd gwraidd y £5 miliwn yma a gytunwyd rhwng y Llywodraeth a Plaid Cymru dwy flynedd yn ôl? Dyna oedd y drafodaeth bryd hynny. Mae hwnna i gyd wedi mynd am ychydig - iawn; dŷn ni lle rydyn ni. Oes yna gyfle rŵan i gael y drafodaeth ehangach yna ynteu - ? Dŷch chi, yn amlwg, yn teimlo bod symud pethau i swyddfa'r comisiynydd ydy'r ffordd orau ymlaen.
English: Well, there are two main points there. The first is that I do think that we need to ensure that we look at language planning in its entirety and we've already started to have discussions with the partnership council and I have asked my officials to come up with some ideas on the way forward in terms of language planning. We will have to look at where that would sit most comfortably, because I think there's an argument that that should be within Government, because there is more access to education, for example - we hold more of the levers within Government in that sense. But I am quite happy to listen to other views, if there are other views on the issue. But I don't think it would be a good idea to have an additional, separate agency. I think that muddies the waters. It is already difficult for people, I think, to understand that you have the Government and the commissioner. So, when the rail companies don't use the Welsh language, who would they contact? I think if you also had an agency that would muddy the waters further. So, we won't go down the route of having a separate agency for promotional work, but we will now be discussing further where exactly promotion and marketing should sit. There are certain aspects of promotion that will have to remain in Government, but there are others that I think it would make much more sense to transfer them to the commissioner, if that were possible and if we had the confidence that those people wouldn't be sucked into regulation. So, I think there is a possibility of going down that route.
Welsh: Wel, mae yna ddau brif bwynt fanna. Yr un cyntaf yw: dwi yn meddwl bod angen inni sicrhau ein bod ni'n edrych ar gynllunio ieithyddol yn ei gyfanrwydd ac rŷn ni eisoes wedi dechrau cael trafodaethau gyda'r cyngor partneriaeth a dwi wedi gofyn i'm swyddogion i ddod lan â syniadau ynglŷn â'r ffordd ymlaen o ran cynllunio ieithyddol. Bydd yn rhaid inni edrych ar y lle gorau i hynny fod, achos dwi'n meddwl bod yna ddadl y dylai hwnna fod tu fewn i gyfundrefn y Llywodraeth achos bod mwy o access, er enghraifft, ar gyfer addysg a phethau - mae mwy o'r levers gyda ni tu fewn i'r Llywodraeth. Ond dwi'n eithaf hapus i wrando ar bwyntiau eraill, os oes yna bwyntiau eraill ar gael. Ond dwi ddim yn meddwl y byddai'n syniad cael asiantaeth ychwanegol. Dwi'n meddwl bod hwnna'n cymhlethu'r darlun. Mae eisoes yn ddigon caled i bobl, dwi'n meddwl, fod y Llywodraeth ar gael a'r comisiynydd. Felly, pan dyw cwmnïau tren ddim yn defnyddio'r Gymraeg, er enghraifft, pwy maen nhw'n ffonio? Dwi'n meddwl petasai asiantaeth hefyd, byddai hwnna'n cymhlethu'r darlun. Felly, dŷn ni ddim yn mynd i lawr y trywydd o gael asiantaeth ar gyfer hybu a hyrwyddo. Fe fyddwn ni'n trafod ymhellach nawr ynglŷn â ble'n union dylai hybu a hyrwyddo fod. Mae yna rai rhannau o hybu a hyrwyddo bydd yn rhaid iddyn nhw aros yn y Llywodraeth, ond mae rhai eraill, dwi'n meddwl, y byddai'n gwneud lot mwy o synnwyr os allwn ni eu rhoi nhw i'r comisiynydd, pe byddai'r hyder yna gyda ni na fyddai'r bobl hynny'n cael eu sugno i mewn i fyd rheoleiddio. Wedyn, dwi yn meddwl bod yna bosibilrwydd y gallem ni fynd i lawr y trywydd yna.
English: But don't you accept that giving elements of language planning - retaining those elements within the Government in a small unit, and then moving some elements of promotion to the commissioner - ? Wouldn't that cause confusion? At the moment, for the public, it is quite clear: if you have a problem regarding your rights as Welsh speakers, you know that you go to the commissioner. It's completely clear; I don't think there's any confusion regarding that. But then there is confusion about all the other important work that needs to be done: the language planning, the strategic work. If you're going to give a little bit of that to the commissioner and keep the rest within the Government - that is, it's not clear at the moment in what direction you're going to go.
Welsh: Ond dŷch chi ddim yn derbyn y byddai rhoi elfennau o gynllunio ieithyddol - cadw'r elfennau hynny yn y Llywodraeth mewn uned fechan iawn, a wedyn symud rhai elfennau o hybu a hyrwyddo i'r comisiynydd - ? Hynna fyddai'n creu'r dryswch. Ar hyn o bryd, i'r cyhoedd, mae'n eithaf clir: os oes gennych chi broblem ynglŷn â'ch hawliau chi fel siaradwyr Cymraeg, dŷch chi'n gwybod eich bod chi'n mynd at y comisiynydd. Mae'n hollol glir; dwi ddim yn meddwl bod yna unrhyw ddryswch ynglŷn â hynna. Ond wedyn mae yna ddryswch ynglŷn â'r holl waith arall pwysig sydd angen hoelio sylw arno fo: y gwaith cynllunio ieithyddol, y gwaith strategol. Os dŷch chi'n mynd i roi ychydig bach o hynna i'r comisiynydd a chadw'r gweddill yn y Llywodraeth - hynny yw, dwi hi ddim yn glir ar hyn o bryd i ba gyfeiriad dŷch chi'n mynd i fynd.
English: And what I've asked for now is a paper to look at the options in terms of language planning and where that should best sit. So, we will be discussing with the partnership council where the most appropriate place for that is, but I'm of the view at the moment that many of the levers for language planning are held by Government, and so perhaps we will see some sort of system within Government that will look at the issue on a cross-cutting basis. But these are the early days, and I've asked for a paper on it.
Welsh: A beth dwi wedi gofyn am nawr yw papur i edrych ar yr opsiynau o ran cynllunio ieithyddol a ble yw'r lle gorau i hynny fod. Felly, mi fyddwn ni'n trafod, gyda'r cyngor partneriaeth, ble yw'r lle mwyaf priodol, ond dwi o'r farn ar hyn o bryd bod eithaf lot o'r levers ar gyfer cynllunio ieithyddol yn nwylo'r Llywodraeth ac felly efallai y byddwn ni'n gweld rhyw fath o gyfundrefn tu fewn i'r Llywodraeth sy'n gyfrifol am edrych arno ar draws holl gyfrifoldebau'r Llywodraeth. Ond maen nhw'n ddyddiau cynnar, ac dwi wedi gofyn am bapur arno.
English: Okay. Isn't it too early to say, therefore, that you want to move some elements that are in the Government now to the commissioner? Wouldn't it be better to see what this paper argues in terms of the language planning and the promotion work - all the big work around the strategy? It would appear as if you've made a decision to move part of that work to the commissioner already, before seeing the evidence.
Welsh: Iawn. Onid ydy felly yn gynamserol i ddatgan eich bod chi am symud elfennau sydd yn y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd i'r comisiynydd? Oni fyddai'n well gweld beth mae'r papur yma yn ei ddadlau o ran y cynllunio ieithyddol a hyrwyddo, hybu - yr holl waith mawr o gwmpas y strategaeth? Dŷch chi'n ymddangos fel eich bod chi wedi gwneud penderfyniad i symud rhan o'r gwaith yna i'r comisiynydd yn barod, felly, cyn gweld y dystiolaeth.
English: No. I've made no decisions on which parts. I do think there are certain areas where the Government works well, such as policy and so on. There are practical issues on the ground that I think would work better outwith Government. So, we will be looking at those elements. But I want to see, and I want to be confident, that that would happen if we were to shift the responsibility to the commissioner.
Welsh: Wel, na. Dwi ddim wedi gwneud unrhyw benderfyniad ar ba rannau. Dwi yn meddwl bod yna rhai pethau efallai lle mae'r Llywodraeth yn dda - ar bethau fel polisi, ac ati. Mae yna bethau ymarferol ar lawr gwlad dwi'n meddwl a allai fod yn gweithio'n well tu fas i'r Llywodraeth. So, byddwn ni'n edrych ar ba elfennau. Ond dwi eisiau gweld, a bod yn hyderus, y byddai hynny'n digwydd pe bydden ni yn symud y cyfrifoldeb yna at y comisiynydd.
English: But you're not closing the door on that discussion. I'm glad to hear that.
Welsh: Ond dŷch chi ddim yn cau'r drws ar y drafodaeth. Dwi'n falch o glywed hynna.
English: I'm closing the door on the discussion on a separate, external agency, a new agency; I'm certainly closing the door on that.
Welsh: Dwi'n cau'r drws ar y drafodaeth am asiantaeth allanol, ydw - asiantaeth newydd; dwi yn sicr yn cau'r drws ar hynny.
English: Thank you. I just want to continue broadly with what David was saying in terms of legislation. Just to confirm on the record, was there a specific timetable within the legislative time frame for this? Because when I've asked in the past, I haven't had a clear timescale, but according to the former Minister, Alun Davies - he said there was a legislative timetable. So, are you going to use that slot for you? That is, are you going to bring other legislation in your portfolio, or will that slot go to something else within the Government? Just for us to confirm.
Welsh: Diolch. Dwi jest eisiau cario ymlaen yn fras gyda beth oedd David yn dweud o ran y ddeddfwriaeth. Jest i gadarnhau ar y record, a oedd yna amserlen benodol o fewn yr amserlen ddeddfwriaethol ar gyfer hwn? Achos pan wyf wedi gofyn yn y gorffennol, nid wyf wedi cael amserlen glir, ond yn ôl y cyn-Weinidog, Alun Davies - roedd e'n dweud bod yna amserlen ddeddfwriaeth. Felly, ydych chi'n mynd i ddefnyddio'r slot yna ar gyfer chi? Hynny yw, a fyddwch chi'n dod â deddfwriaeth arall gerbron yn eich portffolio chi, neu a fydd y slot hynny yn mynd at rywbeth arall o fewn y Llywodraeth? Jest er mwyn i ni gadarnhau.
English: Well, Brexit has thrown everything up into the air. Nobody knows exactly what the legislative programme will look like. So, we have to be cautious, but what we will do is to proceed with some of the standards for the other organisations that we had in mind, so -
Welsh: Wel, mae Brexit yn taflu popeth i'r awyr, felly does neb yn gwybod yn union beth fydd y rhaglen ddeddfwriaethol yn edrych fel. Felly, mae'n rhaid inni fod yn ofalus, ond beth fyddwn ni'n gwneud yw bwrw ymlaen â rhai o'r safonau ar gyfer y cyrff eraill oedd gyda ni mewn golwg, felly -
English: So, every part of Government's legislation is being affected as a result of Brexit.
Welsh: So, mae pob rhan o ddeddfwriaeth y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd yn y fantol yn sgil Brexit.
English: Without a doubt. We don't know what the situation is at the moment, so it's difficult for me to say with certainty that we will be retaining that slot, because I don't think that anyone in Government at the moment can be entirely clear as to how Brexit will impact the legislative programme.
Welsh: Yn sicr. Dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod y sefyllfa ar hyn o bryd, felly mae'n anodd i fi ddweud yn sicr y byddwn ni'n cadw'r slot yna, achos dwi ddim yn meddwl bod neb yn y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd yn gallu bod yn hollol eglur ynglŷn â sut bydd Brexit yn cael effaith ar y rhaglen ddeddfwriaethol.
English: If the nudge approach doesn't work, will you consider perhaps that there will be a need to bring in new legislation specifically regarding the private sector - for the future?
Welsh: Os ydy'r nudge approach ddim yn gweithio, fyddwch chi'n ystyried efallai bydd angen dod â deddfwriaeth newydd i mewn yn benodol ynglŷn â'r sector breifat - i'r dyfodol?
English: Part of the problem with not having a Bill is that we lose the opportunity to do that in terms of the banks and supermarkets. So, the withdrawal of the Bill has created that problem.
Welsh: Rhan o'r broblem gyda pheidio â chael Bil yw ein bod ni'n colli'r cyfle i wneud hynny ar gyfer y banciau a'r archfarchnadoedd. Felly, mae peidio â chael y Bil wedi creu'r broblem yna.
English: But there is a way of getting a much simpler Bill just in that regard.
Welsh: Ond mae modd cael Bil lot symlach jest ar y mater yna?
English: Well, I don't want to make -
Welsh: Wel, dwi ddim eisiau gwneud -
English: If there's a need.
Welsh: Os oes angen.
English: Well, we will see how things develop. One of the problems that we have is that if they come back to us and look at what's happening in the public sector, where we've asked the public sector to introduce these things, and they look, for example, at what's happening in Bridgend County Borough Council, where 9 per cent speak Welsh but 0.01 per cent use the service FootnoteLink, then it's difficult for us to sell the need to do that within the private sector. So, I do think that we do have to ask the commissioner to do a lot more in terms of the use and the uptake of those services. I do think that it's very, very difficult. That's the response I get back very often. The companies who are already doing things in the private sector and already providing services - Welsh speakers aren't making use of those services. I do think there is a responsibility on Welsh speakers to make use of those services. At the moment, they're not doing so.
Welsh: Wel, gawn ni weld sut mae pethau'n gweithredu. Un o'r problemau sydd gyda ni yw os ydyn nhw'n dod yn ôl aton ni ac yn edrych ar yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd yn y sector cyhoeddus, ble ŷn ni wedi gofyn i'r sector cyhoeddus i ddod â'r pethau yma mewn, ac maen nhw'n edrych ar, er enghraifft, beth sy'n digwydd yng Nghyngor Bwrdeistref Sirol Pen-y-bont ar Ogwr, lle mae 9 y cant yn siarad Cymraeg ond 0.01 y cant yn defnyddio'r gwasanaeth FootnoteLink, mae e'n anodd i ni werthu'r angen i wneud hynny i'r sector preifat. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod rhaid i ni ofyn i'r comisiynydd i wneud lot fwy ynglŷn â defnydd o'r gwasanaethau. Dwi yn meddwl ei fod yn rili, rili anodd. Dyna'r ateb dwi wedi cael nôl yn aml iawn. Mae'r cwmnïau sydd eisoes yn gwneud pethau yn y sector preifat, sydd yn darparu gwasanaeth - dyw siaradwyr Cymraeg ddim yn defnyddio'r gwasanaeth. Dwi yn meddwl bod yna gyfrifoldeb ar siaradwyr Cymraeg i ddefnyddio'r gwasanaethau. Ar hyn o bryd, dŷn nhw ddim yn gwneud hynny.
English: Thank you, Chair. Minister, good morning. I have two questions. If I could ask the first one, which follows on from what we have been discussing already, which is legislation. You've said, of course, that it's too early to improve legislation at the moment, but are you of the view that legislation will be required in the longer term?
Welsh: Diolch, Cadeirydd. Weinidog, bore da. Mae yna ddau gwestiwn gen i. Os gallaf ofyn yr un cyntaf, sy'n dilyn ymlaen ar beth rŷm ni wedi bod yn ei drafod yn barod, sef deddfwriaeth. Rŷch chi wedi dweud, wrth gwrs, ei fod yn rhy gynnar i wella deddfwriaeth ar hyn o bryd, ond ydych chi o'r farn y bydd eisiau deddfwriaeth yn y tymor hir?
English: Well, it's possible - it's possible that legislation may be required in the longer term, but I don't think that now is the time for us to be looking at that issue. I am of the view that we had to see better use made of what's already available before we go further. I am of the view that when it comes to language and culture, you can only go so far with legislation. But the fact is, a culture shift is very difficult to achieve, and the stick will only take you so far - you do have to use the carrot as well. And I don't think that we have made sufficient use of the carrot yet.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n bosibl - mae'n bosibl y bydd angen deddfwriaeth yn y tymor hir, ond dwi ddim yn meddwl mai nawr yw'r amser i ni edrych ar hynny. Dwi o'r farn bod rhaid i ni weld gwell defnydd o'r hyn sydd wedi'i ddarparu eisoes cyn ein bod ni'n mynd ymhellach. Dwi o'r farn, pan mae'n dod i ddiwylliant ac iaith, allwch chi ond mynd mor bell gyda deddfwriaeth. Ond y ffaith yw, mae newid diwylliant yn anodd dros ben, ac mae ffon ond yn mynd i fynd â chi mor bell - mae'n rhaid i chi ddefnyddio'r foronen. Dwi ddim yn meddwl ein bod ni wedi gwneud digon o ddefnydd o'r foronen eto.
English: To deal, therefore, with the issue of use - I agree that we need to ensure more use of the language. One way of assisting that - not a complete solution, of course - is to ensure that more children go to Welsh-medium schools, and, of course, there is a target of a million Welsh speakers by 2050. I hope I'll be here to see that target. That is still a target for the Government. Evidence has come before the committee, I understand, from some who say that there should be a statutory right to Welsh-medium education across Wales. What is your view on that - on, perhaps, how practical would that be? And, secondly, would there be a need, therefore, for an Act to ensure that that right is available across Wales?
Welsh: I ddelio, felly, gyda'r cwestion o ddefnydd - rwy'n cytuno'n hollol ynglŷn â'r ffaith bod ishe sicrhau mwy o ddefnydd o'r iaith. Un ffordd i helpu i wneud hynny - nid ateb cyfan gwbl yw hwn, wrth gwrs - yw sicrhau bod mwy o blant yn mynd i ysgolion Cymraeg, ac, wrth gwrs, mae'r targed o filiwn o siaradwyr erbyn 2050. Gobeithio y byddaf i yma i'w weld e. Mae hynny'n dal i fod yn darged i'r Llywodraeth. Mae yna dystiolaeth wedi dod o flaen y pwyllgor, fel dwi'n deall, gan rai sy'n dweud dylai fod yna hawl statudol i addysg Gymraeg ar draws Cymru. Beth yw'ch barn chi ynglŷn â hynny - ynglŷn ag, efallai, pa mor ymarferol y byddai hynny? Ac yn ail, a fyddai eisiau cael Deddf er mwyn sicrhau bod yr hawl hynny yn cael ei weithredu ar draws Cymru?
English: I don't think that we need distinct legislation for Welsh-medium education. If you look at the work that Kirsty Williams is doing on the curriculum, what's happening there is that we are ensuring that the Welsh language is a key part of developing the curriculum across Wales, so it is a central part of what is being developed. And the fact that we are now looking at a language continuum helps with that process. So, I'm not of the view that we should have distinct legislation for Welsh-medium education. But what's important to me is - . Around 20 per cent of children go to Welsh-medium schools at the moment. We want to see an increase on that number. So, by 2050, we need to ensure that 40 per cent of our children are attending Welsh-medium schools. So, what's important for me is that we understand that the children in school today - we must ensure that many of those choose to send their children to Welsh-medium education and that their attitude towards the Welsh language is being developed now. And the way we teach Welsh in English-medium schools has to change. And we are doing a great deal of work to try to ensure that we are making that a better experience for those pupils. And things like going to Llangrannog, Welsh Language Music Day - all of those things create an excitement around the language that I think is crucial if we want those pupils to choose to send their children to Welsh-medium education in the future.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn meddwl bod angen cael deddfwriaeth unigryw ar gyfer addysg Gymraeg. Os ŷch chi'n edrych ar y gwaith mae Kirsty Williams yn ei wneud o ran y cwricwlwm, beth sy'n digwydd fanna yw ein bod ni'n sicrhau bod y Gymraeg yn rhan allweddol o ddatblygu'r cwricwlwm ar draws Cymru, felly mae'n rhan greiddiol o'r hyn sy'n cael ei ddatblygu. Ac mae'r ffaith ein bod ni nawr yn edrych ar gontinwwm ieithyddol yn helpu yn y broses yna. Felly, dwi ddim o'r farn y dylen ni gael deddfwriaeth unigryw ar gyfer addysg Gymraeg. Ond beth sy'n bwysig i fi - . Mae tua 20 y cant o blant yn mynd i ysgolion Cymraeg ar hyn o bryd. Rŷm ni eisiau gweld cynnydd. Felly, erbyn 2050, mae eisiau i ni gael 40 y cant o'n plant ni yn mynd i ysgolion Cymraeg. Felly, i fi beth sy'n bwysig yw ein bod ni'n deall bod y plant sydd yn yr ysgol heddiw - bod rhaid i ni gael lot ohonyn nhw yn anfon eu plant nhw i ysgolion Cymraeg, a bod yr agwedd sydd ganddyn nhw tuag at yr iaith Gymraeg yn cael ei ddatblygu nawr. Ac mae'r ffordd rŷm ni'n dysgu Cymraeg mewn ysgolion di-Gymraeg - mae'n rhaid i ni newid hynny. Ac rŷm ni'n gwneud lot o waith i dreial sicrhau ein bod ni jest yn gwneud hynny i fod yn well profiad iddyn nhw. Ac mae pethau fel mynd i Langrannog, Dydd Miwsig Cymru - mae'r holl bethau yna yn creu cynnwrf o gwmpas yr iaith dwi'n meddwl sy'n angenrheidiol os ŷm ni ishe i'r plant hynny anfon eu plant nhw i ysgolion Cymraeg yn y dyfodol.
English: Thank you. I just wanted to go back to something that Bethan Webb said earlier about the relationship with the commissioner. Why did it need a White Paper to have a relationship that would allow more discussion with the commissioner? Why couldn't these things happen before a White Paper appeared? Was there a problem in terms of communication with the Government and the commissioner, or what did it take to change or to improve that relationship in that regard?
Welsh: Diolch. Roeddwn i jest eisiau mynd nôl at rywbeth yr oedd Bethan Webb wedi dweud yn gynharach ynglŷn â'r berthynas gyda'r comisiynydd. Pam wnaeth hi gymryd y Papur Gwyn i gael mwy o drafodaethau gyda'r comisiynydd? Pam nad oedd y pethau hyn yn gallu digwydd cyn bod Papur Gwyn yn dod i'r golwg? Oedd yna broblem o ran y cyfathrebu rhwng y Llywodraeth a'r comisiynydd, neu beth oedd e wedi cymryd i newid neu i wella'r berthynas yn hynny o beth?
English: Well, I do think that we need to improve the relationship between the Welsh Government and the commissioner, and I have now taken steps to ensure that we do improve ways of working. So, I've spoken to the commissioner's office and I've spoken to the department to see how we can make improvements. We have to collaborate -
Welsh: Wel, dwi yn meddwl bod angen gwella'r berthynas rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru a'r comisiynydd, a dwi nawr wedi cymryd mesurau i sicrhau ein bod ni'n gwella'r ffordd o weithredu. Felly, dwi wedi siarad gyda swyddfa'r comisiynydd a dwi wedi siarad gyda'r adran i weld beth allwn ni ei wneud i wella. Mae'n rhaid i ni gydweithredu -