English: I certainly recognise the last point you made. There are people who are genuinely fearful about change being proposed of this kind, and it is important that the health board are entirely open and honest about what they're proposing and why, and that people involved in the delivery of the service are actively part of that conversation with each other, with their health board leaders and managers, and the public as well. And I think we come back to points that are set out in the paper, and, again, the medical director, who wasn't around at the time of the south Wales programme, but has looked at what the south Wales programme said, in his paper, he sets out that the situation described by the south Wales programme had since become more urgent, taking into account the challenges in service pressure. But also, in that paper, he also takes account of the fact that there is already residential development that has taken place and is taking place now - so, about the population and the nature of the demographics. And I think it's fair to say that, if there had been an attempt to address this matter proactively earlier and make changes, there would always have been very real concerns and ones that we hear today. And yet I think it's likely that, if this issue had been grasped sooner rather than later, we would be in a different position. Because, actually, part of the challenge in having staff coming into a service is the point of having a longer-term model that people agree with, are prepared to sign up to, and want to see their careers being part of. But in terms of sustaining the model, the health board, not only within its current staff - I understand they're already talking to partners about sustaining a service whilst they come to a new model of operation. But to try to prevail upon the consultants, who currently work in Merthyr and the Princess of Wales in Bridgend, to sustain consultant cover on the current model in the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, I think, would not be sensible. And I think that, if you look at patterns in recruitment and consultant behaviour and where consultants have gone to, that is exactly the sort of challenge that, if presented or required, would lead to those people seeking employment elsewhere. Emergency department consultants can get employment pretty much anywhere around the country. They are a band of people who are much sought after. It's about protecting the group that we currently have, making sure that they stay within our system, and having a model of care that will work for the local population and will work for the health service in a sustained way. And to do that, to come back to your final point, the health board must be open and transparent about what they're doing and why, and how they are taking account of the messages they are getting from members of the public, electoral representatives and their own staff, including addressing the very real concerns that I recognise members of the public do have.
Welsh: Rwy'n sicr yn cydnabod y pwynt olaf a wnaethoch. Mae yna bobl sy'n wirioneddol ofnus ynghylch newid arfaethedig o'r math hwn, ac mae'n bwysig fod y bwrdd iechyd yn gwbl agored a gonest ynglŷn â'r hyn y maent yn ei argymell a pham, a bod y bobl sy'n ymwneud â darparu'r gwasanaeth yn rhan weithredol o'r sgwrs honno gyda'i gilydd, gydag arweinwyr a rheolwyr eu bwrdd iechyd, a'r cyhoedd hefyd. Ac rwy'n credu ein bod yn dychwelyd at bwyntiau a nodwyd yn y papur, ac unwaith eto, mae'r cyfarwyddwr meddygol, nad oedd o gwmpas adeg rhaglen de Cymru ond sydd wedi edrych yn ei bapur ar yr hyn a ddywedai rhaglen de Cymru, yn nodi bod y sefyllfa a ddisgrifiwyd gan raglen de Cymru wedi dod yn un fwy argyfyngus erbyn hyn ag ystyried yr heriau o ran y pwysau ar y gwasanaeth. Ond hefyd yn y papur hwnnw, mae'n rhoi sylw i'r ffaith bod datblygiad preswyl eisoes wedi digwydd ac yn digwydd yn awr - felly, mewn perthynas â'r boblogaeth a natur y ddemograffeg. A phe bai ymgais wedi bod i fynd i'r afael â'r mater hwn yn rhagweithiol yn gynharach a gwneud newidiadau, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n deg dweud y byddai pryderon real iawn wedi bodoli bob amser ynghyd â'r rhai y clywn amdanynt heddiw. Ac eto, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n debygol, pe bai'r mater hwn wedi'i ddeall yn gynt yn hytrach nag yn hwyrach, byddem mewn sefyllfa wahanol. Oherwydd rhan o'r her o gael staff yn dod i mewn i wasanaeth yw'r pwynt o gael model mwy hirdymor y mae pobl yn cytuno ag ef, yn barod i ymrwymo iddo, ac am weld eu gyrfaoedd yn rhan ohono. Ond o ran cynnal y model, mae'r bwrdd iechyd, nid yn unig o fewn ei staff presennol - rwy'n deall ei fod eisoes yn siarad â phartneriaid am gynnal gwasanaeth tra'u bod yn dod at fodel gweithredu newydd. Ond nid wyf yn meddwl ei bod hi'n synhwyrol ceisio dwyn perswâd ar feddygon ymgynghorol sydd ar hyn o bryd yn gweithio ym Merthyr Tudful ac Ysbyty Tywysoges Cymru ym Mhen-y-bont ar Ogwr, i gynnal darpariaeth meddyg ymgynghorol ar y model presennol yn Ysbyty Brenhinol Morgannwg. Ac os edrychwch ar batrymau recriwtio ac ymddygiad meddygon ymgynghorol ac i ble mae meddygon ymgynghorol wedi mynd, rwy'n credu mai dyna'n union y math o her a fyddai, pe bai'n cael ei chyflwyno neu ei gwneud yn ofynnol, yn arwain at wneud i'r bobl hynny chwilio am waith yn rhywle arall. Gall meddygon ymgynghorol adrannau achosion brys gael gwaith yn unrhyw ran o'r wlad fwy neu lai. Maent yn griw o bobl y mae galw mawr amdanynt. Mae'n ymwneud â diogelu'r grŵp sydd gennym ar hyn o bryd, gwneud yn siŵr eu bod yn aros yn ein system, a chael model gofal a fydd yn gweithio i'r boblogaeth leol ac a fydd yn gweithio i'r gwasanaeth iechyd mewn ffordd barhaus. Ac i wneud hynny, i ddod yn ôl at eich pwynt olaf, rhaid i'r bwrdd iechyd fod yn agored ac yn dryloyw ynghylch yr hyn y maent yn ei wneud a pham, a sut y maent yn ystyried y negeseuon a gânt gan aelodau o'r cyhoedd, cynrychiolwyr etholiadol a'u staff eu hunain, gan gynnwys mynd i'r afael â'r pryderon gwirioneddol sydd gan aelodau'r cyhoedd.