English: Well, I'd love to have more documentation, but what we've found out is that you have had conversations with the UK Government. You've given them a list of potential sites from Wales. As I understand it - and, again, I'm happy to be corrected - you did not need to give the Ministry of Justice that list. In fact, it would take them putting a compulsory purchase Order on that land, should it come to it. So, from legal advice I've sought from the National Assembly, there is no compulsion on you, Cabinet Secretary, to have given them that list. And, if I'm wrong, then, again, I'm happy for you to intervene or to tell me in your reaction to what I say here today. I also understand, from an e-mail I've seen from our local councillor Nigel Hunt in Port Talbot, that you have actually disposed of that land to the MOJ. So, again, if that is not correct, then please - . That's an e-mail he, I think, has had with the local council. If that's not the case, then, again, I'd like to have clarification. We are, of course, seeking to get answers wherever we possibly can. This is not an attempt to undermine anybody. We're trying to get answers all along the way. I'd like to end these remarks by saying I would like to praise the work of the working group in Port Talbot, which includes members of different parties - and everybody wants to work positively to keep this land for industrial development and business development - who are working together for the future of the town and for the future of Wales. And we do not want to have the scraps from Westminster in the guise of this huge prison, because I worry, and others worry - because they tell me - that this prison will have irreversible side effects on the area. We don't want to have this prison imposed on us. In fact, people in Wrexham did not want to have the prison imposed on them, but they were told that there would be more spaces for Welsh prisoners, and yet we've seen articles in Welsh papers only yesterday telling us that there are not those Welsh prisoners in Her Majesty's Prison Berwyn. So, what is the rationale, therefore, for building these superprisons in Wales? I'll tell you what it is, but not in my words, but by a former prisoner interviewed by 'The Guardian' - sorry, a prisoner, not a former prisoner - at HMP Oakwood in Wolverhampton. He says: 'You pull [Wormwood] Scrubs down, you can make it into flats worth millions. Let's cut the' - beep - 'That's why they are doing it. It is easier and cheaper to warehouse everyone in Wales.' That's what's happening.
Welsh: Wel, hoffwn pe bai gennyf fwy o ddogfennau, ond yr hyn a ganfuwyd oedd eich bod wedi cael sgyrsiau gyda Llywodraeth y DU. Rydych wedi rhoi rhestr iddynt o safleoedd posibl yng Nghymru. Yn ôl yr hyn a ddeallaf - ac unwaith eto, rwy'n falch o gael fy nghywiro - nid oedd angen i chi roi'r rhestr honno i'r Weinyddiaeth Gyfiawnder. Yn wir, byddai galw iddynt osod gorchymyn prynu gorfodol ar y tir hwnnw, pe bai'n dod i hynny. Felly, o gyngor cyfreithiol a gefais gan y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol, nid oes gorfodaeth arnoch, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, i roi'r rhestr iddynt. Ac os wyf yn anghywir, yna, unwaith eto, rwy'n fodlon i chi ymyrryd neu ddweud wrthyf yn eich ymateb i'r hyn a ddywedaf yma heddiw. Rwyf hefyd yn deall, o e-bost a welais gan ein cynghorydd lleol, Nigel Hunt, ym Mhort Talbot, eich bod wedi rhyddhau'r tir hwnnw i'r Weinyddiaeth Gyfiawnder mewn gwirionedd. Felly, unwaith eto, os nad yw hynny'n gywir, yna os gwelwch yn dda - . Dyna neges e-bost y mae ef, rwy'n credu, wedi'i chael gyda'r cyngor lleol. Os nad yw hynny'n wir, yna, unwaith eto, hoffwn gael eglurhad. Wrth gwrs, rydym yn ceisio cael atebion lle bynnag y bo modd. Nid ymgais yw hon i danseilio unrhyw un. Rydym yn ceisio cael atebion ar hyd y ffordd. Hoffwn orffen y sylwadau hyn drwy ddweud y buaswn yn hoffi canmol gwaith y gweithgor ym Mhort Talbot, sy'n cynnwys aelodau o wahanol bleidiau - ac mae pawb eisiau gweithio'n gadarnhaol i gadw'r tir ar gyfer datblygiadau diwydiannol a datblygiadau busnesau - ac sy'n gweithio gyda'i gilydd dros ddyfodol y dref a thros ddyfodol Cymru. Ac nid ydym am gael briwsion o San Steffan ar ffurf y carchar enfawr hwn, gan fy mod yn poeni, ac mae eraill yn poeni - am eu bod yn dweud wrthyf - y bydd y carchar hwn yn cael sgîl-effeithiau di-droi'n-ôl ar yr ardal. Nid ydym am gael y carchar hwn wedi'i orfodi arnom. Yn wir, nid oedd pobl yn Wrecsam am gael y carchar wedi'i orfodi arnynt hwy, ond dywedwyd wrthynt y byddai mwy o lefydd i garcharorion o Gymru, ac eto gwelsom erthyglau ym mhapurau Cymru ddoe ddiwethaf yn dweud wrthym nad oes carcharorion o Gymru yng Ngharchar ei Mawrhydi Berwyn. Felly, beth yw'r rhesymeg, felly, dros adeiladu'r uwch garchardai hyn yng Nghymru? Fe ddywedaf wrthych beth ydyw, ond nid yn fy ngeiriau fy hun, ond gan gyn-garcharor a gafodd ei gyfweld gan 'The Guardian' - mae'n ddrwg gennyf, carcharor, nid cyn-garcharor - yng Ngharchar Oakwood yn Wolverhampton. Mae'n dweud: Rydych yn dymchwel Wormwood Scrubs, gallwch ei wneud yn fflatiau gwerth miliynau. Gadewch inni roi'r gorau i falu - bîp - Dyna pam y maent yn ei wneud. Mae'n haws ac yn rhatach i osod pawb mewn warws yng Nghymru. Dyna beth sy'n digwydd.