English: I'm grateful to you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and grateful to the Minister for her statement. There are two issues I want to raise with her this afternoon. First of all is the place of tax, not simply as a means of raising revenue, but also as a tool of policy to deliver and to shape policy. I'm disappointed that the Government does not include sustainability as one of its key principles for taxation. I believe that we should be looking towards using tax to limit, potentially, or to penalise if you like, the use of resources and to shape a response to climate policy, which is more profound than we do at present. Some of the issues we've discussed this afternoon, in terms of plastics and in terms of return charges, do play into that sort of field, but I do think that the Government should use tax as a means of delivering on its sustainability principles as well, and I would like to see that within the overall suite of principles that the Government use. The second point is on what you call new taxations, and the process that has failed with the United Kingdom Government. Those of us who were victims of the legislative competence Orders never ever want to see one of those come in front of us again. It was a painful process that was well meaning but collapsed under the weight of its own bureaucracy. I think MPs and AMs, as we were at the time, collectively hated the process, and we certainly don't want to go back to those days. But we need a process that works. It's no surprise that the current United Kingdom Government has no interest in working with the devolved administrations on anything realistic at all, but we need a process that works. Like others this afternoon, I've got no issue with a tourism tax or a tax on vacant land or anything else. You pay a tourism tax in most states in the world, as far as I -
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar i chi, Dirprwy Lywydd, ac yn ddiolchgar i'r Gweinidog am ei datganiad. Mae dau fater yr wyf am eu codi gyda hi y prynhawn yma. Yn gyntaf oll mae swyddogaeth treth, nid yn unig fel modd o godi refeniw, ond hefyd fel dull polisi i gyflawni a llunio polisi. Rwy'n siomedig nad yw'r Llywodraeth yn cynnwys cynaliadwyedd fel un o'i hegwyddorion allweddol ar gyfer trethiant. Credaf y dylem fod yn edrych tuag at ddefnyddio treth i gyfyngu, o bosibl, neu gosbi os hoffech chi, defnyddio adnoddau a llunio ymateb i bolisi hinsawdd, sy'n fwy dwys nag a wnawn ar hyn o bryd. Mae rhai o'r materion yr ydym wedi'u trafod y prynhawn yma, o ran plastigau ac o ran taliadau dychwelyd, yn rhan o'r maes hwnnw, ond credaf y dylai'r Llywodraeth ddefnyddio treth fel modd o gyflawni ei hegwyddorion cynaliadwyedd hefyd, a hoffwn weld hynny o fewn y gyfres gyffredinol o egwyddorion y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei defnyddio. Mae'r ail bwynt yn ymwneud â'r hyn yr ydych yn ei alw'n drethiannau newydd, a'r broses sydd wedi methu gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig. Nid yw'r rheini ohonom a ddioddefodd y Gorchmynion cymhwysedd deddfwriaethol byth am weld un o'r rheini'n dod ger ein bron eto. Roedd yn broses boenus a oedd yn llawn bwriadau da ond a ddymchwelodd o dan bwysau ei biwrocratiaeth ei hun. Rwy'n credu bod ASau ac ACau, fel yr oeddem ar y pryd, gyda'n gilydd yn casáu'r broses, ac yn sicr nid ydym eisiau mynd yn ôl i'r dyddiau hynny. Ond mae angen proses sy'n gweithio arnom. Nid yw'n syndod nad oes gan y Deyrnas Unedig bresennol unrhyw ddiddordeb mewn gweithio gyda'r gweinyddiaethau datganoledig ar unrhyw beth realistig o gwbl, ond mae arnom angen proses sy'n gweithio. Fel eraill y prynhawn yma, nid oes gennyf unrhyw broblem o ran y dreth dwristiaeth na threth ar dir gwag nac unrhyw beth arall. Rydych yn talu treth dwristiaeth yn y rhan fwyaf o wladwriaethau yn y byd, hyd y gwn i -