English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. First of all, can I thank David Melding, Simon Thomas, David Rowlands, Vikki Howells, Jayne Bryant, Mark Isherwood and the Minister for taking part in this debate, and I think, most importantly, for the positive and consensual way we've all taken it forward? I think I could sit down now and say, 'Well, we're all in agreement, aren't we?' But there are a number of things that I think need saying. I think the first one is: I have no problem with local targets, but is somebody going to count up all the local targets and publish what those local targets are? Are we then going to find out how people are doing against those local targets? I've no problem with local targets, but if adding up all the local targets comes to 2,000 trees, we've got something wrong. And I think that if it comes to more than we were expecting, then we're moving very much in the right direction, but we also need to make sure that people are meeting those targets. Targets are wonderful things, but if you have lots of local targets around, then somebody needs to co-ordinate it, and I would hope the Minister would report back to our committee on an annual basis - the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee on an annual basis - on how they're doing against those targets. Moving on. Most people have said very similar things, which is hardly surprising. The committee was in total agreement. There are things like the economic benefits of it, the environmental benefits of it, the wider range of species, and the number of jobs created. I think Vikki Howells highlighted very important work that was done in her area that didn't actually need any Government money either, which is abnormal - every time somebody has got a project they want to know how much they're going to get in either sponsorship or in Government money to do it. I think there are means of doing this that can be economically viable and people can make money out of it. People talked about a whole range of very good projects. I think one of the things that saddens most of us is that these are sort of isolated projects around Wales. There's the Llynfi project, which I know Huw Irranca-Davies is very proud of, what's going on in Bassaleg, and what's going on in the Cynon valley, but what we should be talking about is what's going on in every town, every city and every valley. It's not just, 'We'll find some good practices.' When people used to visit North Korea, they were taken to see this one area, which was their area to show visitors. We don't want that, do we? We only want to see whether it's working everywhere, so that you can take your pick in terms of where in Wales you go and you will see forestry growing. It's hugely economic. Natural Resources Wales complain about not having money - or they complain to the committee about not having money. Well, they have major forestry; they should be making money on their timber. Commercial developers are making substantial sums on their timber. We should be looking for them as well to be showing a lead on this. Mark Isherwood talks about increasing planting rates and sustainable outcomes, but I think on the lack of general support for forestry, what he says there, is absolutely right. We don't talk about forestry here very often. Compare the amount of times we've talked about forestry in here with the amount of times we've talked about agriculture. I think that forestry is losing very dramatically against that. We want sustainable outcomes, but I think that, really, there are huge benefits to trees. I mean, they benefit the environment. We talk about the problems we've got with air quality. Well, plant some trees. We talk about the problems we've got with flooding. Plant some trees. We talk about the problems we have with urban areas looking unpleasant. Plant some trees. We talk about dereliction in some of our older communities. I know that people use the words 'Valleys communities', well, can I welcome them to areas like Swansea East, for example, which may not be considered a Valleys community, but it has areas of economic deprivation and has one of the largest tree planting schemes in Europe taking place in it, to reclaim the lower Swansea valley? Kilvey Hill was covered in trees. This can be done. It's been done before. It really is important that we work on ensuring that we increase the amount of coverage that we have of trees, that we work on ensuring that forestry is seen as an important part of the Welsh economy, that it is seen as an important area. If anywhere else was generating 10,000 jobs, we'd be talking about it as a major employer and how important it was. There are 10,000 jobs in forestry, but because they're not all in one factory - . If somebody created a factory with 10,000 jobs, we'd have a list of people in here rushing down - Ministers, opposition spokespeople - to go to visit it and say, 'Isn't it wonderful that this place is creating 10,000 jobs?' But because they're distributed all around Wales, then we're perhaps less inclined to consider it. But many of them are in areas that have high unemployment and often the employment they have is very low-paid. So, forestry makes a big difference to those areas. I just really want to say that I think we're all on the same side. I think the Minister has responded very positively and I'll just end by repeating what I said earlier: can we have a report to the committee, or to the Chamber here, on an annual basis on how we're doing against those local targets? Because I think that really is something that very many of us want to see. Local targets are fine, but can we have them added up and given to us? Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Yn gyntaf oll, a gaf fi ddiolch i David Melding, Simon Thomas, David Rowlands, Vikki Howells, Jayne Bryant, Mark Isherwood ac i'r Gweinidog am gymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon, ac yn bwysicaf oll, rwy'n credu, am y ffordd gadarnhaol a chydsyniol rydym wedi ei symud yn ei blaen? Credaf y gallwn eistedd yn awr a dweud, 'Wel, rydym i gyd yn cytuno, onid ydym?' Ond mae yna nifer o bethau y credaf fod angen eu dweud. Credaf mai'r cyntaf yw: nid oes gennyf broblem gyda thargedau lleol, ond a oes rhywun yn mynd i gyfrif yr holl dargedau lleol a chyhoeddi beth yw'r targedau lleol hynny? A ydym yn mynd i ddarganfod sut y mae pobl yn gwneud yn erbyn y targedau lleol hynny? Nid oes gennyf unrhyw broblem gyda thargedau lleol, ond os yw adio'r holl dargedau lleol yn gwneud 2,000 o goed, mae rhywbeth o'i le. Ac os daw'n fwy nag yr oeddem yn ei ddisgwyl, rydym yn symud yn bendant iawn i'r cyfeiriad cywir, ond mae angen i ni wneud yn siŵr hefyd fod pobl yn cyrraedd y targedau hynny. Mae targedau'n bethau gwych, ond os oes gennych lawer o dargedau lleol, mae angen i rywun ei gydlynu, a buaswn yn gobeithio y byddai'r Gweinidog yn adrodd yn ôl i'n pwyllgor yn flynyddol - y Pwyllgor Newid Hinsawdd, Amgylchedd a Materion Gwledig yn flynyddol - ar sut y maent yn gwneud yn erbyn y targedau hynny. I symud ymlaen. Mae'r rhan fwyaf o bobl wedi dweud pethau tebyg iawn, a phrin fod hynny'n syndod. Roedd y pwyllgor yn cytuno'n llwyr. Mae pethau fel ei fanteision economaidd, ei fanteision amgylcheddol, ystod ehangach o rywogaethau, a nifer y swyddi a grëir. Credaf fod Vikki Howells wedi amlygu gwaith pwysig iawn a wnaed yn ei hardal nad oedd yn galw am unrhyw arian gan y Llywodraeth ychwaith, sy'n anarferol - bob tro y bydd gan rywun brosiect, maent eisiau gwybod faint y byddant yn ei gael naill ai mewn nawdd neu mewn arian gan y Llywodraeth i'w gyflawni. Credaf fod modd o wneud hyn a all fod yn economaidd hyfyw a gall pobl wneud arian ohono. Siaradodd pobl am amrywiaeth eang o brosiectau da iawn. Credaf mai un o'r pethau sy'n destun tristwch i'r rhan fwyaf ohonom yw mai dyma'r unig enghreifftiau prin o brosiectau ledled Cymru. Ceir prosiect Llynfi, y gwn fod Huw Irranca-Davies yn falch iawn ohono, yr hyn sy'n digwydd ym Masaleg, a'r hyn sy'n digwydd yng nghwm Cynon, ond dylem fod yn siarad am beth sy'n digwydd ym mhob tref, bob dinas a phob cwm. Nid, 'Fe ddown o hyd i rai arferion da.' Pan arferai pobl ymweld â Gogledd Corea, byddent yn cael eu tywys i weld un ardal, sef eu hardal ar gyfer ei dangos i ymwelwyr. Nid ydym eisiau hynny. Rydym am weld a yw'n digwydd ym mhobman, fel y gallwch ddewis ble yng Nghymru yr ewch chi i weld coedwigoedd yn tyfu. Mae'n hynod economaidd. Mae Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru yn cwyno nad oes ganddynt arian - neu maent yn cwyno wrth y pwyllgor nad oes ganddynt arian. Wel, mae ganddynt goedwigoedd mawr; dylent fod yn gwneud arian o'u pren. Mae datblygwyr masnachol yn gwneud symiau sylweddol o arian o'u pren. Dylem fod yn troi atynt hwy i ddangos arweiniad ar hyn hefyd. Mae Mark Isherwood yn sôn am gynyddu cyfraddau plannu a chanlyniadau cynaliadwy, ond ynglŷn â'r diffyg cefnogaeth cyffredinol i goedwigaeth, rwy'n meddwl bod yr hyn y mae'n ei ddweud am hynny'n hollol iawn. Nid ydym yn siarad am goedwigaeth yma'n aml iawn. Cymharwch faint o weithiau y buom yn siarad am goedwigaeth yma â faint o weithiau y buom yn siarad am amaethyddiaeth. Credaf fod coedwigaeth yn colli'n ddramatig iawn yn erbyn hynny. Rydym eisiau canlyniadau cynaliadwy, ond rwy'n credu, mewn gwirionedd, fod yna fanteision enfawr i goed. Hynny yw, maent o fudd i'r amgylchedd. Rydym yn sôn am y problemau sydd gennym gydag ansawdd aer. Wel, plannwch goed. Rydym yn sôn am y problemau sydd gennym gyda llifogydd. Plannwch goed. Rydym yn sôn am y problemau sydd gennym gydag ardaloedd trefol yn edrych yn annymunol. Plannwch goed. Siaradwn am esgeuluso ymhlith rhai o'n cymunedau hŷn. Gwn fod pobl yn defnyddio'r geiriau 'cymunedau'r Cymoedd', wel, a gaf fi eu croesawu i ardaloedd fel Dwyrain Abertawe, er enghraifft, nad yw'n cael ei hystyried yn gymuned y Cymoedd efallai, ond mae ganddi ardaloedd o amddifadedd economaidd ac mae ganddi un o'r cynlluniau plannu coed mwyaf yn Ewrop yn digwydd ynddi, i adfer cwm Tawe isaf? Cafodd Mynydd Cilfái ei orchuddio â choed. Fe ellir gwneud hyn. Mae wedi cael ei wneud o'r blaen. Mae'n bwysig iawn ein bod yn gweithio ar sicrhau ein bod yn cynyddu faint o orchudd coed sydd gennym, ein bod yn gweithio ar sicrhau y gwelir coedwigaeth fel rhan bwysig o economi Cymru, y caiff ei weld fel maes pwysig. Pe bai unrhyw faes arall yn cynhyrchu 10,000 o swyddi, byddem yn sôn amdano fel cyflogwr mawr a pha mor bwysig ydoedd. Mae 10,000 o swyddi mewn coedwigaeth, ond oherwydd nad ydynt oll mewn un ffatri - . Pe bai rhywun yn creu ffatri gyda 10,000 o swyddi, byddai gennym lu o bobl yma'n rhuthro - Gweinidogion, llefarwyr y gwrthbleidiau - i fynd i'w weld ac yn dweud, 'Onid yw'n wych fod y lle hwn yn creu 10,000 o swyddi?' Ond oherwydd eu bod wedi eu dosbarthu ledled Cymru, rydym yn llai tebygol o'i ystyried o bosibl. Ond mae llawer ohonynt mewn ardaloedd sydd â lefelau uchel o ddiweithdra ac yn aml mae cyflogau'r gwaith sydd ganddynt yn isel iawn. Felly, mae coedwigaeth yn gwneud gwahaniaeth mawr i'r ardaloedd hynny. Rwyf eisiau dweud mewn gwirionedd fy mod yn credu ein bod i gyd ar yr un ochr. Credaf fod y Gweinidog wedi ymateb yn gadarnhaol iawn ac fe orffennaf drwy ailadrodd yr hyn a ddywedais yn gynharach: a gawn ni adroddiad i'r pwyllgor, neu i'r Siambr yma, yn flynyddol ar sut rydym yn gwneud yn erbyn y targedau lleol hynny? Oherwydd credaf fod hynny mewn gwirionedd yn rhywbeth y mae llawer iawn ohonom am ei weld. Mae targedau lleol yn iawn, ond a fyddai modd eu hadio at ei gilydd a'u cyflwyno i ni? Diolch.