English: I think it's right that the debate around the M4 is in flux, and it's clear from the contributions this afternoon that opinions are still fluid around this. There are people, obviously, on this bench and the Conservative bench who have consistently argued for the black route, though I was pleased to hear Andrew R.T. Davies cancel his blank cheque that he's given this project and introduce a degree of qualification to his support. There are those on the Conservative and the Plaid Cymru benches who support the blue route, and I was very pleased to hear Simon Thomas open up the way of Plaid Cymru rethinking their position in the light of the very persuasive judgment of the future generations commissioner. I'm not sure where we're at on the Conservative benches - whether Mark Reckless, as part of his charm offensive on Alun Cairns to allow him into the Conservative Party, has abandoned his blue route support and upgraded it to black route - so I look forward to watching that development with interest. But I don't think Alun Cairns is going to warm to you whatever you do, Mark - that would be my advice to you. So, things are in flux, and I think it's right. In the old quote of John Maynard Keynes - 'When the facts change, I change my mind.' This is a 30-odd-year-old solution to a problem of congestion and the technology is changing rapidly - we expect driverless cars to be for sale within the next three years and the costs have changed. When we fought our manifesto at the election, we were talking about a project of under £1 billion. We're now looking at £1.3 billion to £1.4 billion. That's on 2015 prices and that's without VAT, which we're told is being negotiated. So, I'd imagine that we're going to be looking closer to £2 billion than £1 billion, and I think that that changes the nature of the commitment we had in our manifesto, and that allows us to look at that afresh. I'm not going to rehearse the arguments this afternoon - I've made them before in this place. Suffice to say, I take this very seriously and my position on this isn't about game playing. I heard the interviews that Adam Price gave on the weekend about opening a common front with the Conservatives and his hope that they could have a joint position on this today, which would entice Members of the Labour backbenches to join their side as a way of causing trouble for the Government and discomforting the First Minister. I want no part of that. I want to kill this road, I don't want to play games around it. I think there is also some difficulty around the motion itself. Adam Price conceded that opposition motions don't have full force. And also, the point Simon Thomas made that decisions should be taken here not by the Executive. Well, this motion, explicitly, is about the financing of this project, and decisions on the financing of projects are made in the budget. Plaid Cymru could've killed this project in the budget, should they have wanted to, but they chose not to. So, this is not a debate - [ Interruption.] Let me just make progress. This is not a motion today - [ Interruption.] I will do in a second. But this motion today is about the financing and I think financing should be in a Parliament, decided by a budget, but I do think there should be a substantive vote in Government time. I will give way.
Welsh: Credaf ei bod yn iawn fod y ddadl ynghylch yr M4 yn newid, ac mae'n amlwg o'r cyfraniadau y prynhawn yma fod y safbwyntiau'n dal yn hylif ar hyn. Mae yna bobl, yn amlwg, ar y fainc hon ac ar fainc y Ceidwadwyr sydd wedi dadlau'n gyson o blaid y llwybr du, er fy mod yn falch o glywed Andrew R.T. Davies yn canslo'r siec wag y mae wedi ei rhoi i'r prosiect hwn a chymhwyso rhywfaint ar ei gefnogaeth. Ceir rhai ar feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr a meinciau Plaid Cymru sydd o blaid y llwybr glas, ac roeddwn yn falch iawn o glywed Simon Thomas yn bod yn agored ynghylch y modd y mae Plaid Cymru'n ailfeddwl am eu safbwynt yng ngoleuni barn argyhoeddiadol iawn comisiynydd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Nid wyf yn siŵr lle rydym arni ar y meinciau Ceidwadol - a yw Mark Reckless, fel rhan o'i ymgais i hudo Alun Cairns i ganiatáu lle iddo yn y Blaid Geidwadol, wedi cefnu ar ei gefnogaeth i'r llwybr glas a'i uwchraddio i'r llwybr du - felly edrychaf ymlaen at wylio hynny'n datblygu gyda diddordeb. Ond nid wyf yn meddwl bod Alun Cairns yn mynd i gynhesu atoch beth bynnag a wnewch, Mark - dyna fyddai fy nghyngor i i chi. Felly, mae pethau'n newid, a chredaf fod hynny'n iawn. Yn yr hen ddyfyniad gan John Maynard Keynes - Pan fydd y ffeithiau'n newid, rwy'n newid fy meddwl. Mae hwn yn ateb 30 oed i broblem tagfeydd ac mae'r dechnoleg yn newid yn gyflym - rydym yn disgwyl i geir heb yrwyr fod ar werth o fewn y tair blynedd nesaf ac mae'r costau wedi newid. Pan oeddem yn ymladd ar sail ein maniffesto yn yr etholiad, roeddem yn sôn am brosiect o dan £1 biliwn. Rydym bellach yn edrych ar £1.3 biliwn i £1.4 biliwn. Mae hynny ar brisiau 2015 a heb TAW, y dywedir wrthym ei fod yn cael ei negodi. Felly, buaswn yn dychmygu y byddwn yn edrych ar ffigur agosach at £2 biliwn nag £1 biliwn, a chredaf fod hynny'n newid natur yr ymrwymiad a oedd gennym yn ein maniffesto, ac mae'n ein galluogi i edrych o'r newydd ar hynny. Nid wyf am ailadrodd y dadleuon y prynhawn yma - rwyf wedi eu cyflwyno yn y lle hwn o'r blaen. Digon yw dweud fy mod o ddifrif ynglŷn â hyn ac nid yw fy safbwynt ar hyn yn fater o chwarae gemau. Clywais y cyfweliadau a roddodd Adam Price ar y penwythnos am agor ffrynt gyffredin gyda'r Ceidwadwyr a'i obaith y gallent gael safbwynt ar y cyd ar hyn heddiw, a fyddai'n denu Aelodau o feinciau cefn Llafur i ymuno â'u hochr hwy fel ffordd o achosi trafferth i'r Llywodraeth ac anghysur i'r Prif Weinidog. Nid wyf am unrhyw ran o hynny. Rwyf am ladd y ffordd hon, nid wyf am chwarae gemau o'i chylch. Credaf fod yna rywfaint o anhawster ynglŷn â'r cynnig ei hun hefyd. Cyfaddefodd Adam Price nad oes grym llawn i gynigion y gwrthbleidiau. Hefyd, y pwynt a wnaeth Simon Thomas y dylid gwneud penderfyniadau yma nid gan y Weithrediaeth. Wel, mae'r cynnig hwn, yn ymwneud yn benodol ag ariannu'r prosiect hwn, a gwneir penderfyniadau ar ariannu prosiectau yn y gyllideb. Gallai Plaid Cymru fod wedi lladd y prosiect hwn yn y gyllideb, pe baent wedi dymuno gwenud hynny, ond dewisasant beidio â gwneud hynny. Felly, nid yw hon yn ddadl - [ Torri ar draws.] Gadewch i mi fwrw ymlaen. Nid cynnig yw hwn heddiw - [ Torri ar draws.] Fe wnaf mewn eiliad. Ond mae'r cynnig hwn heddiw yn ymwneud ag ariannu a chredaf mai mewn Senedd y dylai ariannu ddigwydd, wedi'i benderfynu ar sail cyllideb, ond rwy'n meddwl y dylai fod pleidlais ystyrlon yn amser y Llywodraeth. Fe ildiaf.