English: May I thank the First Minister for his statement, and thank Lord Thomas and the members of the commission for their staggeringly thorough work in getting to the point where this report was brought forward to us as an Assembly? This is the beginning of a journey, if truth be told. I am pleased that we've had a statement today and an opportunity to make some comments. I'm also pleased that time will be allocated early in the new year to having a more comprehensive debate so that we can air these points in a little more detail. But we will then need to work across political parties, and across Parliaments too, in order to take these recommendations forward. I do welcome the fact that the Conservatives, who don't at present see value in delivering these recommendations, are asking questions about how all of this can be moved forward. It's a matter of concern to me that the kinds of questions posed by the leader of the Conservatives today are at such a fundamental and basic level, and he is perhaps causing me to doubt just how much attention the Conservative Party has given to these recommendations and the thorough work done by Lord Thomas and his team. But I'm willing to accept that we must ask questions at every level so that we can make progress. There are so many reasons why we, as a legislature, should be embracing these recommendations placed before us. On a point of principle, as lawmakers here in Wales, it's important for many of us here in Wales that we do become a Parliament that is a legislative body that deals with the justice system as a matter of principle. There are practicalities in terms of the difficulties that we face at the moment in delivering co-ordination between justice and the kinds of policies that will influence the justice system. In Scotland and in England, they can form policy in a different context. But the main reason - and the main reason outlined very clearly in the report by Lord Thomas - for proceeding to implement these recommendations is that the deficiencies that have been highlighted do impact upon real people's lives here in Wales and the way in which the justice system deals with them, be that in how we deal with women within the justice system, how we treat people from ethnic minorities within our justice system, or how we operate legislation within family courts in a way that is sensitive to the needs of our young people and children here in Wales, as the First Minister mentioned. Many of you, like myself, will have read - or will have started reading - The Secret Barrister, which looks at the deficiencies of the legal system in Britain or in England and Wales at the moment. We have an opportunity here in Wales now to address those weaknesses, which are so well known to many people working within the justice system, and to work in a way that, for the very first time, allows us to formulate a system that is sensitive to the needs of the people of Wales specifically. So, we will work together on these issues. I do have a few questions. I welcome the fact that there will be a Cabinet sub-committee chaired by the First Minister. What about the role of the civil service in all of this? There are a few things that raise some doubts in my mind as to the attitude of the civil service. The Welsh civil service said that they would need 200 more policy officials, at a cost of around £14 million, in order to implement this kind of change. The suggestion by Lord Thomas was that 10 people would be needed, and that we could create a new model of working, drawing on the expertise of our universities and reflecting the benefits of being a small nation like Wales, in terms of efficiency. So, we don't want to copy what is done at an England and Wales level, but create something that is inherently Welsh. So, I would welcome some comments from the First Minister as to the confidence that he has as to whether the civil service can become an important partner in delivering all of this. Finally, in terms of the role for the politicians at a UK level to deliver these changes, we heard the First Minister stating earlier that he had been campaigning since 1985, calling for these kinds of changes. Well, I do have to raise some questions as to the influence that you've managed to have on your fellow Labour members in Westminster. We know, don't we, that Labour MPs, for a long, long time after 1985 have been blocking the devolution of elements of the justice system. So, in that context, how confident are you that you can persuade your own party at the UK level, (1) to place these recommendations in a manifesto for an election, and to do so now? The recommendations before us are so clear and so unambiguous that there is no reason why any party couldn't promise to implement these. So, show us that you have the influence within your own party, because I make a pledge to you that the implementation of the Lord Thomas recommendations will be very strongly reflected in our manifesto as we enter this election.
Welsh: Gaf i ddiolch i'r Prif Weinidog am y datganiad, ac wrth gwrs diolch i'r Arglwydd Thomas ac aelodau'r comisiwn am eu gwaith rhyfeddol o drwyadl yn cyrraedd at y pwynt lle y cyflwynwyd yr adroddiad arbennig yma i ni fel Cynulliad Cenedlaethol? Dechrau taith ydy hwn rŵan mewn difrif. Dwi'n falch ein bod ni'n cael datganiad heddiw a chyfle i wneud ychydig o sylwadau. Dwi'n falch hefyd bod amser yn mynd i gael ei neilltuo yn gynnar yn y flwyddyn newydd er mwyn cael dadl lawnach er mwyn gallu gwyntyllu'r pwyntiau mewn dipyn mwy o fanylder. Ond wedyn mi fydd angen cydweithio ar draws pleidiau gwleidyddol, ar draws Seneddau hefyd, wrth gwrs, er mwyn mynd â'r argymhellion yma yn eu blaen. Dwi'n croesawu'r ffaith bod y Ceidwadwyr, sydd ddim yn gweld gwerth ar hyn o bryd mewn gwireddu'r argymhellion yma - eu bod nhw yn gofyn cwestiynau ynglŷn â sut i symud hyn ymlaen. Mae o'n fater o rywfaint o bryder i fi bod y mathau o gwestiynau sydd wedi cael eu gofyn heddiw gan arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr ar lefel mor sylfaenol - mae o bosib yn codi amheuon i fi o ran faint o sylw sydd wedi cael ei gymryd gan y blaid Geidwadol o'r argymhellion manwl yma a'r gwaith trwyadl sydd wedi cael ei wneud gan yr Arglwydd Thomas a'i dîm. Ond dwi'n barod i dderbyn bod yn rhaid gofyn cwestiwn ar bob lefel er mwyn inni allu symud ymlaen. Mae yna gymaint o resymau pam dylem ni fel deddfwrfa fod yn gafael yn annwyl iawn yn yr argymhellion yma sydd wedi cael eu rhoi o'n blaenau ni. Ar bwynt o egwyddor yn unig, fel llunwyr deddfau, mae'n bwysig i lawer ohonom ni fan hyn ein bod ni'n gallu troi yn Senedd sy'n gorff deddfwriaethol sydd yn ymwneud â'r system gyfiawnder fel mater o egwyddor. Mae yna elfennau ymarferol o'r anhawster gennym ni ar hyn o bryd mewn gallu cael cydlyniad rhwng cyfiawnder a'r mathau o bolisïau sydd yn effeithio ar y system gyflawnder. Wrth gwrs, yn Lloegr a'r Alban, maen nhw'n gallu llunio polisi o fewn cyd-destun gwahanol. Ond y prif reswm - a'r prif reswm sy'n cael ei amlinellu'n glir iawn yn yr adroddiad gan yr Arglwydd Thomas - dros fod eisiau bwrw ymlaen efo'r argymhellion yma ydy bod y diffygion sydd wedi cael eu hamlygu yn effeithio ar fywydau pobl go iawn yng Nghymru a'r ffordd mae'r system gyfiawnder yn ymdrin â nhw, p'un ai sut ydym ni'n trin merched o fewn y system gyfiawnder, sut ydym ni'n trin pobl o leiafrifoedd ethnig o fewn y system gyfiawnder, sut rydym ni yn gweithredu deddfwriaeth o fewn y llysoedd teulu mewn ffordd sydd yn sensitif i anghenion ein pobl ifanc ni a'n plant ni yng Nghymru, fel y cyfeiriodd y Prif Weinidog ato fo. Mi fydd llawer ohonoch chi, dwi'n siŵr, fel finnau, wedi darllen - neu wedi dechrau darllen yn fy achos i - The Secret Barrister, sydd yn edrych ar wendidau y system gyfiawnder ym Mhrydain, neu yng Nghymru a Lloegr i gyd ar hyn o bryd. Wel, mae gennym ni gyfle yng Nghymru erbyn hyn i fynd i'r afael â'r gwendidau yna, sydd yn hysbys i gymaint o bobl sy'n gweithio o fewn y system gyfiawnder, ac i weithredu mewn ffordd am y tro cyntaf sy'n gadael i ni lunio system sydd yn sensitif i anghenion pobl Cymru yn benodol. Felly, mi gydweithiwn ni efo'n gilydd ar y cwestiynau yma. Cwpwl o gwestiynau ichi: dwi'n croesawu'r ffaith y bydd yna is-bwyllgor o'r Cabinet, wedi ei gadeirio gan y Prif Weinidog; beth am rôl y gwasanaeth sifil yn hyn oll? Mae yna gwpwl o bethau yn codi amheuon ynof i ynglŷn ag agwedd y gwasanaeth sifil. Mi ddywedodd y gwasanaeth sifil Cymreig y byddai angen 200 yn fwy o swyddogion polisi, ar gost o ryw £14 miliwn, er mwyn gweithredu'r math yma o newidiadau. Awgrym yr Arglwydd Thomas oedd mai 10 o bobl fyddai eu hangen ac y byddem ni'n gallu creu model newydd o weithio, yn tynnu ar arbenigedd ein prifysgolion ni, ac ati, yn adlewyrchu mantais gwlad fach fel Cymru o ran effeithlonrwydd. Nid copïo beth maen nhw'n ei wneud ar lefel Cymru a Lloegr, ond llunio rhywbeth neilltuol Gymreig. Buaswn i'n croesawu sylwadau gan y Prif Weinidog ynglŷn â'r hyder sydd ganddo fo y gall y gwasanaeth sifil ddod i fod yn bartner pwysig wrth ddelifro hyn. O ran, wedyn, yn olaf, y rôl y bydd yna, wrth gwrs, i wleidyddion ar lefel Brydeinig i ddelifro'r newidiadau yma, mi glywsom ni'r Prif Weinidog yn dweud yn gynharach ei fod o'n ymgyrchu ers 1985 yn galw am y mathau yma o newidiadau. Wel, mae'n rhaid imi godi cwestiynau ynglŷn â'r dylanwad rydych chi wedi ei llwyddo i'w gael ar eich cyd-aelodau Llafur chi yn San Steffan. Rydym ni'n gwybod, onid ydym, fod Aelodau Seneddol Llafur ymhell iawn, iawn, iawn ar ôl 1985, wedi bod yn floc ar ddatganoli elfennau o gyfiawnder. Felly, yn y cyd-destun hwnnw, pa mor hyderus ydych chi rŵan y gallwch chi berswadio eich plaid chi ar lefel Brydeinig, (1) i roi'r argymhellion yma mewn maniffesto ar gyfer etholiad rŵan? Mae'r argymhellion sydd o'n blaenau ni mor eglur, mor ddiamwys, does yna ddim rheswm pam na allai unrhyw blaid, mwy neu lai, symud ymlaen at addo gweithredu'r rhain. Felly, dangoswch i ni fod gennych chi'r dylanwad o fewn eich plaid chi, achos dwi'n addo ichi mi fydd gweithredu ar argymhellion yr Arglwydd Thomas yn gryf iawn yn ein maniffesto ni wrth fynd i mewn i'r etholiad yma rŵan.