English: The committee's report and the auditor general's report set out a number of issues and concerns: poor contract and programme management; issues in reaching rural communities and private renters; lack of clarity around the criteria and objectives; and the sheer pace and scale needed. We heard in the evidence to the committee that whilst the programme has helped many people across Wales, it really did lack the impact, the reach and the effectiveness needed to really move the dial for the right people, in the right way, on fuel poverty and decarbonisation. Almost half of those who received support through the programme last year were deemed to not be in fuel poverty, and that figure was more than 60 per cent in the previous year. Just touching on those in rural communities that I, and I know others here, represent, they face particular challenges in dealing often with very old properties that are difficult to retrofit and to insulate, and those in rented accommodation have very little recourse to address these issues and, as we know, can, in some circumstances, face difficulties and are reprimanded in doing so. It would therefore be helpful to hear from the Minister what steps are being taken, or options explored, to ensure that rural communities and private renters are not left behind in the next phase of the programme. In addition, then, to looking at what needs to happen next, I hope the Government will be committing to an investigation to address the apparent failure to properly manage public money. The issues around transferring funds from one element of the programme to the other raise questions. A quick analysis of the annual statements of the programme show that the number of households receiving support under the scheme declined from 5,500 to 4,500 in 2020-21, and at the 2016-17 rate, it would take a 111 years to insulate every household, and at the 2021 rate, 135 years. So, there are a huge number of questions here to look at in relation to the scale and level of investment, and also how the programme, going forward, can reach those rural communities and our private renters. I do believe that it is important to focus now on learning those lessons and moving forward, but the fact remains that the statutory target to eradicate fuel poverty by 2018 was widely missed. Four-hundred million pounds has been spent on a project that has fallen short of its objectives, and we face, as I said at the beginning, an energy crisis that could have partly shielded people in Wales had the Warm Homes programme done its job. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Welsh: Roedd adroddiad y pwyllgor ac adroddiad yr archwilydd cyffredinol yn nodi nifer o faterion a phryderon: rheolaeth wael ar gontractau a rhaglenni; problemau gyda chyrraedd cymunedau gwledig a rhentwyr preifat; diffyg eglurder ynghylch y meini prawf a'r amcanion; a'r cyflymder a'r raddfa sy'n angenrheidiol. Clywsom yn y dystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor, er bod y rhaglen wedi bod o gymorth i lawer o bobl ledled Cymru, na chafodd yr effaith ac nad oedd ganddi'r cyrhaeddiad a'r effeithiolrwydd sydd eu hangen i wneud gwahaniaeth go iawn ar gyfer y bobl gywir, yn y ffordd gywir, o ran tlodi tanwydd a datgarboneiddio. Barnwyd nad oedd bron i hanner y bobl a gafodd gymorth drwy'r rhaglen y llynedd mewn tlodi tanwydd, ac roedd y ffigur hwnnw'n fwy na 60 y cant yn y flwyddyn flaenorol. Gan gyffwrdd â'r rheini mewn cymunedau gwledig a gynrychiolir gennyf fi, a chan eraill yma, rwy'n gwybod, maent yn wynebu heriau penodol yn aml wrth ymdrin ag eiddo hen iawn sy'n anodd eu hôl-osod a'u hinswleiddio, ac ychydig iawn o allu sydd gan y rheini mewn llety rhent i fynd i'r afael â'r materion hyn, ac fel y gwyddom, mewn rhai amgylchiadau, gallant wynebu anawsterau a chael eu ceryddu wrth iddynt wneud hynny. Byddai'n ddefnyddiol clywed gan y Gweinidog felly pa gamau sy'n cael eu cymryd, neu'r opsiynau sy'n cael eu harchwilio, i sicrhau nad yw cymunedau gwledig a rhentwyr preifat yn cael eu gadael ar ôl yng ngham nesaf y rhaglen. Yn ogystal ag edrych ar yr hyn sydd angen digwydd nesaf, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Llywodraeth yn ymrwymo i ymchwiliad i fynd i'r afael â'r methiant ymddangosiadol i reoli arian cyhoeddus yn iawn. Mae'r materion sy'n ymwneud â throsglwyddo arian o un elfen o'r rhaglen i'r llall yn codi cwestiynau. Mae dadansoddiad cyflym o ddatganiadau blynyddol y rhaglen yn dangos bod nifer yr aelwydydd sy'n cael cymorth o dan y cynllun wedi gostwng o 5,500 i 4,500 yn 2020-21, ac ar gyfradd 2016-17, byddai'n cymryd 111 o flynyddoedd i insiwleiddio pob cartref, ac ar gyfradd 2021, 135 mlynedd. Felly, mae nifer enfawr o gwestiynau yma i'w hystyried mewn perthynas â maint a lefel y buddsoddiad, a hefyd sut y gall y rhaglen, wrth symud ymlaen, gyrraedd cymunedau gwledig a'n rhentwyr preifat. Credaf ei bod yn bwysig canolbwyntio yn awr ar ddysgu'r gwersi hynny a symud ymlaen, ond erys y ffaith bod y targed statudol i drechu tlodi tanwydd erbyn 2018 wedi'i fethu, a hynny o gryn bellter. Mae £400 miliwn o bunnoedd wedi'i wario ar brosiect sydd wedi methu cyflawni ei amcanion, ac fel y dywedais ar y dechrau, rydym yn wynebu argyfwng ynni a allai fod wedi gwarchod pobl Cymru yn rhannol pe bai rhaglen Cartrefi Clyd wedi gwneud ei gwaith. Diolch yn fawr iawn.