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English: Thank you. Again, I have no speakers, so the proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? No. Therefore, the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Welsh: Diolch. Unwaith eto, nid oes siaradwyr gennyf, felly y cynnig yw derbyn y cynnig. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Na. Felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.
English: Item 11 on our agenda this afternoon is a debate on Stage 4 of the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill, and I call on the Counsel General and the Minister for European Transition to move the motion. Jeremy Miles.
Welsh: Eitem 11 ar ein hagenda y prynhawn yma yw'r ddadl ar Gyfnod 4 Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Ansawdd ac Ymgysylltu) (Cymru), ac rwy'n galw ar y Cwnsler Cyffredinol a'r Gweinidog Pontio Ewropeaidd i gynnig y cynnig. Jeremy Miles.
English: Can you do your winding-up, please?
Welsh: A wnewch chi ddirwyn i ben, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: Oh, I beg your pardon - I'm so sorry. I will, but I just want to say this: the Bill, Deputy Presiding Officer, as it stands is a Bill of rights and not remedies; it's a Bill that hopes for quality and candour, but, in my view, it does not show true leadership on how to achieve it and it is a Bill in which the patient's voice can so easily be lost. And it's for these very reasons that the Welsh Conservatives are unable to support this Bill.
Welsh: O, mae'n ddrwg gennyf - rwy'n ymddiheuro. Gwnaf, ond hoffwn i ddweud hyn: mae'r Bil, Dirprwy Lywydd, fel y mae ar hyn o bryd yn Fil hawliau ac nid atebion; mae'n Fil sy'n gobeithio am ansawdd a didwylledd, ond, yn fy marn i, nid yw'n dangos gwir arweiniad ar sut i'w gyflawni ac mae'n Fil lle y gellir colli llais y claf mor hawdd. Ac am yr union resymau hyn, nid yw'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn gallu cefnogi'r Bil hwn.
English: Of course, broader events in the health area have put this Bill in some kind of context, but as a party we've always been doubtful about this Bill because we believe that it is the wrong solution to the wrong problem. We can't support abolishing some of the most effective voices for scrutinising health boards, for example - the CHCs - even if some of them are not as effective as the one that we have in north Wales. We can't see how pressing ahead with this kind of structural change is going to be worth the effort that would go into that. And do you know what? Following the publication of the Williams report several years ago, I don't think that anybody would have guessed that the CHCs would be the first set of organisations to face mandatory mergers, and there is more than a suggestion of doubt here that it's because of their effectiveness in terms of scrutinising the health boards, and therefore the Government, that they're being abolished. And if I could say this: we don't want to protect the CHCs forever, not those bodies - we don't see them as something sacred - but it's the functions of those bodies and what they do, their independence, and we have concerns about what's going to happen to that independence and their genuine ability to be a voice for the communities that they represent.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, mae digwyddiadau ehangach yn maes iechyd wedi gosod y Bil hwn mewn rhyw fath o gyd-destun, ond rydym ni, fel plaid, wastad wedi bod yn amheus am y Bil yma am ein bod ni'n credu ei fod o'r ateb anghywir i'r broblem anghywir mewn difrif. Allwn ni ddim cefnogi diddymu rhai o'r lleisiau mwyaf effeithiol ar gyfer craffu ar fyrddau iechyd, er enghraifft - y cynghorau iechyd cymunedol - hyd yn oed os nad oes rhai ohonyn nhw cweit mor effeithiol â'r un sydd gennym ni yn y gogledd. Allwn ni ddim gweld sut mae bwrw ymlaen efo'r math yma o newid strwythurol yn mynd i fod werth yr ymdrech fydd yn mynd i mewn i hynny. Ac ydych chi'n gwybod beth? Yn dilyn cyhoeddiad adroddiad Williams sawl blwyddyn yn ôl erbyn hyn, dwi ddim yn meddwl byddai unrhyw un wedi dyfalu mai'r cynghorau iechyd cymunedol byddai'r set gyntaf o sefydliadau i wynebu uno gorfodol, ac mae yna fwy nag awgrym o amheuaeth yma mai oherwydd eu heffeithlonrwydd nhw wrth graffu ar y byrddau iechyd, ac felly y Llywodraeth, maen nhw'n cael eu diddymu. Ac os caf i ddweud hyn: nid eisiau gwarchod y cynghorau iechyd cymuned am byth ydym ni, nid y cyrff hynny - nid eu gweld nhw fel rhywbeth sanctaidd ydym ni - ond swyddogaeth y cyrff hynny a'r hyn maen nhw'n ei wneud, eu hannibyniaeth nhw, ac mae pryder gennym ni ynglŷn â beth sy'n digwydd i'r annibyniaeth yna a'u gallu nhw i wirioneddol fod yn llais dros y cymunedau maen nhw yn eu cynrychioli.
English: Do you agree with me that the work of the North Wales Community Health Council is a laudable example of why we need this scrutiny to continue? The concern is that, by creating one national body, that local-level scrutiny won't be able to take place.
Welsh: Ydych chi'n cytuno efo fi fod gwaith cyngor iechyd y gogledd yn esiampl glodwiw o pam bod angen y craffu yma i fod yn digwydd a pharhau i ddigwydd? A'r pryder ydy, drwy greu un corff cenedlaethol, na fydd y craffu lefel leol yna ddim yn gallu digwydd.
English: I agree with that entirely and that's been shown, hasn't it, by the great research that's been done about the vascular services at present. So, we are very concerned about losing that function and that strength that lies within the CHCs -
Welsh: Dwi'n cyd-fynd â hynny'n llwyr, ac mae hynny wedi cael ei ddangos, onid ydy, yn y gwaith ymchwil rhagorol sydd wedi cael ei wneud o gwmpas y gwasanaethau fasgwlar ar hyn o bryd. Felly, mi ydym ni'n bryderus am golli'r swyddogaeth a'r cryfder yna sydd o fewn y cynghorau iechyd cymuned -
English: - at present. Of course.
Welsh: - ar hyn o bryd. Wrth gwrs.
English: Thanks for that, Rhun. You mentioned the importance of the independence of the community health councils. It's not just a question of independence though, is it? It's also a question of their agility, because they're able to go into those health establishments with very little notice, be a genuine friend and voice to the people who are there, and inspire that sort of confidence. So, it's that ability to go wherever they want to as well, at short notice, which must be protected.
Welsh: Diolch am hynny, Rhun. Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am bwysigrwydd annibyniaeth y cynghorau iechyd cymuned. Ond nid mater o annibyniaeth yn unig yw hynny, nage? Mae hefyd yn gwestiwn o'u hystwythder, oherwydd maen nhw'n gallu mynd i'r sefydliadau iechyd hynny heb fawr o rybudd, bod yn ffrind ac yn llais diffuant i'r bobl sydd yno, ac ysbrydoli'r math yna o hyder. Felly, mae'n rhaid amddiffyn y gallu hwnnw i fynd ble bynnag y maen nhw eisiau hefyd, ar fyr rybudd.
English: And their in-depth local knowledge as well, which is something that's very important to note, and we tried to introduce amendments to the Bill that would try to enforce an element of regional working in order to keep that local expertise. Sadly, Government wouldn't agree with us on that.
Welsh: A'u gwybodaeth leol fanwl hefyd, sy'n rhywbeth sy'n bwysig iawn i'w nodi, ac fe wnaethom ni geisio cyflwyno gwelliannau i'r Bil a fyddai'n ceisio gorfodi elfen o weithio rhanbarthol er mwyn cadw'r arbenigedd lleol hwnnw. Yn anffodus, ni wnaeth y Llywodraeth gytuno gyda ni ar hynny.
English: Can I call on the Counsel General and Minister for European Transition to reply to the debate? Jeremy Miles.
Welsh: A gaf i alw ar y Cwnsler Cyffredinol a'r Gweinidog Pontio Ewropeaidd i ymateb i'r ddadl? Jeremy Miles.
English: Dirprwy Lywydd, I think it's evident from our debates - both at committee and at Plenary - that a tremendous amount of effort has gone into considering how the Bill, as introduced, could be improved, and, indeed, it has been. The debate at Stage 3, and the contributions today from the Conservative and the Plaid Cymru benches, indicate that we haven't always been able to reach agreement, and I would echo the arguments which the health Minister made in the debate at Stage 3 responding to some of the points of substance which have been raised today. But, not withstanding that absence of agreement on all those areas, we have a common purpose, I think, in strengthening the duty of quality, the duty of candour, the governance arrangements and the voice of the public, and the Welsh Government is satisfied that the Bill achieves these things. If the Bill is passed today, as I urge Members to do, I want to reassure you that the detailed consideration given to this Bill and the important advice received from stakeholders will also be taken into account when we move into the implementation phase. I hope Members will support the Bill.
Welsh: Dirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n credu ei bod yn amlwg o'n dadleuon - yn y pwyllgor ac yn y Cyfarfod Llawn - fod llawer iawn o ymdrech wedi'i wneud i ystyried sut y gellid gwella'r Bil, fel y'i cyflwynwyd, ac, yn wir, mae wedi'i wella. Mae'r ddadl yng Nghyfnod 3, a'r cyfraniadau heddiw gan feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr a Phlaid Cymru, yn dangos nad ydym ni bob amser wedi gallu cytuno, a byddwn yn adleisio rhai o'r dadleuon a wnaeth y Gweinidog iechyd yn y ddadl yng Nghyfnod 3 wrth ymateb i rai o'r pwyntiau o sylwedd sydd wedi'u codi heddiw. Ond, er gwaethaf y ffaith nad oes cytundeb ar yr holl feysydd hynny, mae gennym ni bwrpas cyffredin, rwy'n credu, i gryfhau'r ddyletswydd ansawdd, y ddyletswydd didwylledd, y trefniadau llywodraethu a llais y cyhoedd, ac mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn fodlon bod y Bil yn cyflawni'r pethau hyn. Os caiff y Bil ei basio heddiw, fel yr wyf yn annog yr Aelodau i'w wneud, rwyf eisiau eich sicrhau y bydd yr ystyriaeth fanwl a roddwyd i'r Bil hwn a'r cyngor pwysig a gafwyd gan randdeiliaid hefyd yn cael ei ystyried pan symudwn ni i'r cam gweithredu. Gobeithio y bydd yr Aelodau'n cefnogi'r Bil.
English: Thank you. In accordance with Standing Order 26.50C, a recorded vote must be taken on Stage 4 motions. So, I defer voting on this motion until voting time.
Welsh: Diolch. Yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 26.50C, mae'n rhaid cymryd pleidlais wedi'i chofnodi ar gynigion Cyfnod 4. Felly, fe ohiriaf y bleidlais ar y cynnig hwn tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: I come to voting time. Unless two Members wish for the bell to be rung, we will proceed to vote. Okay, so we vote on Stage 4 of the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill, and I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Vaughan Gething. Open the vote. Close the vote. For the motion 22, one abstention, 16 against. Therefore, the motion is agreed.
Welsh: Rwy'n dod i'r cyfnod pleidleisio. Heblaw bod dau Aelod yn dymuno i'r gloch gael ei chanu, awn ymlaen i bleidleisio. Iawn, felly rydym yn pleidleisio ar Gyfnod 4 Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Ansawdd ac Ymgysylltu) (Cymru), a galwaf am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Vaughan Gething. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y cynnig 22, un yn ymatal, 16 yn erbyn. Felly, mae'r cynnig wedi'i dderbyn.
English: Item 13 on our agenda, which was to be Stage 3 proceedings of the Wild Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill has been postponed. Therefore, that brings today's proceedings to a close.
Welsh: Mae eitem 13 ar ein hagenda, sef trafodion Cyfnod 3 Fil Anifeiliaid Gwyllt a Syrcasau (Cymru) wedi'i gohirio. Felly, daw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben.
English: Welcome, everyone, to this meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here at the Senedd. Under item 1, introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest, I'm very pleased to welcome my fellow Members to the committee meeting. Everyone knows that this meeting is bilingual and headphones can be used for simultaneous translation from Welsh to English on channel 1, or hear the original language in amplified form on channel 2. We don't expect a fire alarm to sound this morning. If one should sound, then do please follow the instructions of the ushers. We have received apologies from Jayne Bryant, and Carwyn Jones is here as a substitute on her behalf. So, a particular welcome to Carwyn Jones.
Welsh: Bore da a chroeso, bawb, i gyfarfod diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. O dan eitem 1, cyflwyniadau, ymddiheuriadau, dirprwyon a datgan buddiannau, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu fy nghyd-Aelodau i'r cyfarfod. Mae pawb yn gwybod bod y cyfarfod yma'n ddwyieithog. Gellir defnyddio clustffonau i glywed cyfieithu ar y pryd o'r Gymraeg i'r Saesneg ar sianel 1, neu glywed cyfraniadau yn yr iaith wreiddiol yn well ar sianel 2. Dŷn ni ddim yn disgwyl larwm tân y bore yma. Os bydd yna un yn canu yn rhywle, dylid dilyn cyfarwyddiadau'r tywyswyr. Dŷn ni wedi derbyn ymddiheuriadau gan Jayne Bryant, ac mae Carwyn Jones yma yn dirprwyo ar ei rhan. Felly, croeso arbennig i Carwyn Jones.
English: Item 2, and we have arrived at a very important issue here. This is a technical briefing on COVID-19. I'm very pleased to welcome today the chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser for health, who will be providing information to this committee with an update on COVID-19. So, to that end, I'm very pleased to welcome Dr Frank Atherton, the Chief Medical Officer for Wales - good morning to you. And also, Dr Rob Orford, Chief Scientific Adviser for Health - good morning to you too. You'll be aware that the microphones operate automatically. We have a whole host of questions, naturally, as you will be aware, and we have a session later on with the Minister regarding the emergency Bill. But, specifically, we are discussing COVID-19 now. May I invite Dr Frank Atherton to make a brief introduction and then we will go into questions? Frank.
Welsh: Eitem 2, ac, yn sylfaenol, dŷn ni wedi cyrraedd y mater pwysig: cyfarfod briffio technegol ar COVID-19. Dwi'n falch o groesawu o'n blaenau y prif swyddog meddygol a'r prif gynghorydd gwyddonol dros iechyd. Byddan nhw'n rhoi gwybodaeth i'r pwyllgor yma am y diweddaraf am COVID-19. Felly, i'r perwyl yna, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu Frank Atherton, Prif Swyddog Meddygol Cymru - bore da. A hefyd Rob Orford, y Prif Gynghorydd Gwyddonol dros Iechyd - bore da i chithau hefyd. Mi fyddwch chi'n ymwybodol bod y meicroffonau'n gweithio'n awtomatig. Mae yna lu o gwestiynau, yn naturiol, fel y byddwch chi'n ymwybodol, ac wrth gwrs, mae sesiwn nes ymlaen efo'r Gweinidog ynglŷn â'r Bil mewn argyfwng. Ond, yn benodol, dŷn ni ar COVID-19 rŵan. Allaf i wahodd Dr Frank Atherton i wneud cyflwyniad byr ac wedyn awn ni i mewn i gwestiynau? Frank.
English: Welcome back, everyone, to the latest part of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee meeting here in the Senedd. We've reached item 3 on the agenda, and a discussion on the emergency Bill on COVID-19. We've had some information, some background information, and Members will have read those background papers on the proposed emergency Bill on COVID-19. So, to discuss this in detail, I'm pleased to welcome Vaughan Gething, the Minister for Health and Social Services, live from his home.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i bawb i adran ddiweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. Dŷn ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 3 rŵan, a thrafodaeth ar y Bil brys ar COVID-19. Dŷn ni wedi cael gafael ar wybodaeth gefndirol, a bydd Aelodau wedi darllen y papurau cefndirol ar y Bil brys arfaethedig ar COVID-19. Felly, i drafod hyn mewn manylder, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu Vaughan Gething, y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol, yn fyw o'i gartref.
English: Good morning, Vaughan, and also, here in the Senedd, I'm pleased to welcome Neil Surman, deputy director, public health; Grace Martins, senior lawyer, Welsh Government, and also Sapna Lewis, senior lawyer, Welsh Government. Welcome to all of you in different locations. Welcome to the meeting and a discussion now on the emergency Bill. Minister, do you want to make some opening comments on this emergency Bill, and then we'll go straight into questions?
Welsh: Bore da, Vaughan, a hefyd yma yn y Senedd efo ni, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu Neil Surman, dirprwy gyfarwyddwr, iechyd y cyhoedd; Grace Martins, uwch gyfreithiwr, Llywodraeth Cymru, a hefyd Sapna Lewis, uwch gyfreithiwr, Llywodraeth Cymru. Croeso i bob un ohonoch chi mewn gwahanol safleoedd. Croeso i'r cyfarfod a thrafodaeth ar y Bil brys. Dwi ddim yn gwybod, Weinidog - ydych chi eisiau gwneud ychydig o sylwadau agoriadol ar y Bil brys yma, a wedyn awn ni'n syth i gwestiynau?
English: Thank you, Minister, and, of course, we see that there are five sections or main areas in this Bill in front of us. We'll go straight into questions in the usual way. Who wants to start? Rhun.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr am hynny, Weinidog, ac, wrth gwrs, dŷn ni'n gweld bod yna bum ardal - prif ardal - yn y Bil yma o'n blaenau ni. Awn ni'n syth i mewn i gwestiynau yn y ffordd - . Pwy sydd eisiau dechrau? Rhun.
English: Yes, I'm very happy to do so. Good morning, Minister. Let us go through those five parts of the Bill in order. We'll start, therefore, with regard to increasing the number of health and care workers by removing barriers to allow retired staff to return back into the system. Can you talk to us about the intention there, and perhaps refer to some concerns that have been raised with me that this is exactly the wrong thing to do, to bring doctors and clinical workers who are older back into the system?
Welsh: Ie, hapus iawn i wneud. Bore da. Beth am inni fynd drwy bum ran y Bil yn eu trefn? Dechreuwn ni felly o ran cynyddu nifer y gweithwyr iechyd a gofal, er enghraifft, drwy dynnu rhwystrau i ganiatáu staff sydd wedi ymddeol i ddod yn ôl i'r system. Allwch chi siarad efo ni ynglŷn â'r bwriad yn y fan honno ac, o bosib, cyfeirio at ambell gonsérn sydd wedi cael ei godi efo fi mai dyma'r union beth anghywir i'w wneud, i ddod, er enghraifft, â meddygon a gweithwyr clinigol hŷn yn ôl i mewn i'r system?
English: Thank you very much, Minister. Thank you to you for your willingness to join us here online and also for your officials' willingness to join us to answer these questions in such an excellent manner. Thank you also for the written evidence that you presented ahead of time. Thank you to officials for all of their hard work. You'll also receive a transcript of these discussions so that you can check them for factual accuracy. With those few words, thank you very much to you all.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Weinidog. A allaf i ddiolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich parodrwydd i fod yma yn bresennol ar-lein a hefyd parodrwydd eich swyddogion am fod yma hefyd i ateb y cwestiynau mewn modd mor arbennig o raenus? Diolch yn fawr hefyd am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig gwnaethoch chi ei gyflwyno ymlaen llaw. Diolch i swyddogion am eu holl waith caled. Byddwch chi hefyd yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma er mwyn i chi allu gwirio eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol cywir. Gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, felly, diolch i chi gyd.
English: We'll move on to item 4, and a motion under Standing Order 17.42 (vi) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting. Is everyone content? Everyone is content. We'll go into private session. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Symudwn ni ymlaen i eitem 4 nawr, a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 (vi) i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod hwn. Ydy pawb yn gytûn? Pawb yn gytûn. Awn ni i sesiwn breifat, felly. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Calling the Members to order.
Welsh: Galw'r Aelodau i drefn.
English: The first item on our agenda this afternoon is questions to the Minister for Education, and the first question is from Dai Lloyd.
Welsh: Yr eitem gyntaf ar ein hagenda ni'r y prynhawn yma yw'r cwestiynau i'r Gweinidog Addysg, ac mae'r cwestiwn cyntaf gan Dai Lloyd.
English: Our educational reforms are designed to ensure that all learners with additional learning needs receive the support that they need to access the curriculum, and I believe that this will help equip deaf young people with the skills that they need to reach their full potential.
Welsh: Mae ein diwygiadau addysg wedi'u cynllunio i sicrhau bod pob dysgwr ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol yn cael y gefnogaeth sydd ei hangen arnynt i gael mynediad at y cwricwlwm, a chredaf y bydd hyn yn helpu i roi'r sgiliau sydd eu hangen ar bobl ifanc byddar i gyflawni eu potensial llawn.
English: Thank you for that reply, Minister. You will no doubt be aware of the publication of the National Deaf Children's Society's report, 'Deaf Works Everywhere', which seeks to get more deaf young people into work and jobs that inspire them. Unfortunately, many deaf young people believe their career options are limited. With the right support, however, we know that deaf people can work everywhere, yet they are twice as likely to be unemployed as their hearing peers. In response to the Deaf Works Everywhere campaign, what further action are you prepared to take to ensure better careers support, more work experience and volunteering opportunities, and challenging the expectations of what deaf young people can achieve?
Welsh: Diolch am eich ateb, Weinidog. Heb os, fe fyddwch yn ymwybodol o adroddiad y Gymdeithas Genedlaethol i Blant Byddar, 'Byddar yn Gweithio ym Mhobman', sy'n ceisio sicrhau bod mwy o bobl ifanc byddar yn gwneud gwaith a swyddi sy'n eu hysbrydoli. Yn anffodus, mae llawer o bobl ifanc byddar yn credu bod eu hopsiynau o ran gyrfaoedd yn gyfyngedig. Gyda'r gefnogaeth gywir, fodd bynnag, gwyddom y gall pobl fyddar weithio ym mhobman, serch hynny, maent ddwywaith yn fwy tebygol o fod yn ddi-waith na'u cyfoedion sy'n gallu clywed. Mewn ymateb i'r ymgyrch Byddar yn Gweithio ym Mhobman, pa gamau pellach rydych yn barod i'w cymryd i sicrhau gwell cymorth gyrfaoedd, mwy o brofiad gwaith a chyfleoedd gwirfoddoli, a herio'r disgwyliadau o ran yr hyn y gall pobl ifanc byddar ei gyflawni?