English: Can I thank the Member for his contribution? You have raised issues that are important in respect of your political position. Could I also thank your party for the engagement that I've had up until now? And, of course, there will be further engagement, because in several weeks' time, we'll be able to announce, hopefully, the full commission, and you'll then have a full picture of the commission at that stage. I'm pleased that the Welsh Conservatives will be participating in this process, and I think it is an important process. Whether your view is that you think it's necessary or not, nevertheless, we have a manifesto commitment for this commission, and that commission will proceed. On the issue of independence, this isn't a commission that is about independence, it's not about unionism, it's not about federalism. It's about exploring the options that will improve the governance of Wales, the future of Wales, its role within the UK, and all the challenges that we know exist at the moment. It's no surprise to you - I've said it many times in this Chamber - that when I was a member of the inter-parliamentary forum, which was cross party across all Parliaments of the UK, both houses of Westminster, there was common recognition across parties that the current constitutional arrangements are not fit for purpose. I have said on many occasions that part of what the 'Reforming our Union' paper was about earlier on was offering solutions to that, and engagement. So, when the Member asks to what extent do we engage with the UK Government, well, unfortunately, we have put forward our proposals on a number of occasions. We've put forward the various recommendations, and, as they say, it takes two to tango. Unfortunately, there's been a single dance from our side. That is why we have to move to this stage now, and that's why we had the mandate during the election to actually have this independent commission. In respect of Laura McAllister, she is someone who I believe has a reputation and credibility that runs across political parties. I think she is an ideal co-chair, working alongside Dr Rowan Williams. And, of course, on this commission, we're not talking about people who are there to represent a position of a political party; they're there for their skills and ability. I wonder if you would say the same thing about the director general of the BBC, who was a former Conservative candidate. Those points are made by you, they're entitled to an answer, but I think the proof of the pudding is in what Laura McAllister does, what the commission does. I don't think there can be anyone who will have listened to Radio Wales this morning and heard her description as to how she sees the commission going about its work, and exploring all the issues and options for Wales, and not be impressed. In fact, I'm sure you all were impressed. I appreciate they were points that you do have to make. You make a point about the two years; well, it could be shorter. I think what is important, of course, is that one of the functions of the commission is, obviously, to influence what may happen in future general elections, to put forward a position from Wales, that we ourselves seize the initiative in terms of how we think the reforms to the UK could take place, and also what the options might be to Wales in respect of things that may happen that are beyond our control, whether it be within Scotland or whether it be within Northern Ireland. With regard to the cost and remuneration, there will be a remuneration package that is similar to all the other commissions that are established. When you're asking people to take long periods of time and significant work out of their working lives, that is normal. I will write to you separately about those. Those will, of course, be published. I don't have the precise details that are there. Of course, there are members of the commission who are still potentially being engaged with a view to coming onto the commission. In terms of the terms of reference or the broad objectives, it seems to me that the two broad objectives are clear. The danger is that to try and pad it out with a whole series of issues of this and that, what this might be and what this value might be and so on, becomes quite difficult. So, I am actually quite positive about the simplicity of the two broad objectives, but also, once the full commission is in place, that it will be in a position to actually, I think, develop what its strategic plan will be in terms of engagement, and how it's going to engage with the people of Wales and how it's engaged with the breadth of different views that exist. In terms of the panel of experts, what we're looking at will partly depend upon the strategic programme, but also it will be a panel that will be there not for political positions, but for the skill and expertise that they have. So, there may well be a need for expertise in respect of business, in respect of finance, in respect of governance, in respect of international examples and so on. And I will report on that in a further statement as well. Can I just say, in terms of the challenges that are ahead, that this is really about embracing the change that is there? Change is coming, change is going to occur, nothing stays still forever. We know of the dysfunction that currently exists. There was a politician who said: 'Ibelieve it is good for a country and its people to have its fate in its own hands and for their own decisions to matter. When I look round Europe, by and large it's the smaller countries, whoseem to have higher quality decision makingBeing responsible for your own policies produces better outcomes.' That was a quote from Lord Frost, and I think that exactly applies to the commission that we are setting up. I think, really, what we are looking to is a form of constitutional levelling up. I think that's what we are looking for and what we are aiming towards. We're looking towards how we might take back control. All those slogans and statements that were made some time back are really something that are directly applicable, and, of course, that is exactly what Lord Frost was saying. I think the key is that the purpose of the commission is to embrace all across Wales and to build consensus. Perhaps I'll just finish with the positive comments that you made early on. I do look forward and I do hope everyone will positively engage. I know we have differences, but as we head forward together, I think it's important we try and build consensus on where change will work, ultimately, for the benefit of the people and the communities of Wales.
Welsh: A gaf i ddiolch i'r Aelod am ei gyfraniad? Rydych chi wedi codi materion sy'n bwysig o ran eich safbwynt gwleidyddol. A gaf i ddiolch hefyd i'ch plaid am yr ymgysylltiad rwyf wedi'i gael hyd yn hyn? Ac, wrth gwrs, bydd mwy o ymgysylltu, oherwydd ymhen sawl wythnos, byddwn ni'n gallu cyhoeddi, gobeithio, y comisiwn llawn, ac yna bydd gennych chi ddarlun llawn o'r comisiwn bryd hynny. Rwyf yn falch y bydd Ceidwadwyr Cymru yn cymryd rhan yn y broses hon, ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn broses bwysig. P'un ai eich barn chi yw eich bod yn credu ei fod yn angenrheidiol ai peidio, serch hynny, mae gennym ymrwymiad maniffesto ar gyfer y comisiwn hwn, a bydd y comisiwn hwnnw'n mynd rhagddo. O ran annibyniaeth, nid yw hwn yn gomisiwn sy'n ymwneud ag annibyniaeth, nid yw'n ymwneud ag unoliaeth, nid yw'n ymwneud â ffederaliaeth. Mae'n ymwneud ag archwilio'r opsiynau a fydd yn gwella llywodraethu Cymru, dyfodol Cymru, ei rôl o fewn y DU, a'r holl heriau y gwyddom sydd yn bodoli ar hyn o bryd. Nid yw'n syndod i chi - rwyf wedi'i ddweud droeon yn y Siambr hon - pan oeddwn i'n aelod o'r fforwm rhyngseneddol, a oedd yn drawsbleidiol ar draws holl Seneddau'r DU, dau dŷ San Steffan, roedd cydnabyddiaeth gyffredin ar draws y pleidiau nad yw'r trefniadau cyfansoddiadol presennol yn addas i'r diben. Rwyf wedi dweud droeon fod rhan o'r hyn yr oedd y papur 'Diwygio ein Hundeb' yn ei olygu'n gynharach yn cynnig atebion i hynny, ac ymgysylltu. Felly, pan fydd yr Aelod yn gofyn i ba raddau yr ydym ni'n ymgysylltu â Llywodraeth y DU, wel, yn anffodus, rydym ni wedi cyflwyno ein cynigion droeon. Rydym ni wedi cyflwyno'r gwahanol argymhellion, ac mae'n cymryd dau i gydweithio. Yn anffodus, ein hochr ni yn unig sy'n cyfrannu. Dyna pam y mae'n rhaid i ni symud i'r cam hwn yn awr, a dyna pam y cawsom ni y mandad yn ystod yr etholiad i gael y comisiwn annibynnol hwn. O ran Laura McAllister, mae hi'n rhywun sydd, yn fy marn i, ag enw da a hygrededd sy'n rhedeg ar draws pleidiau gwleidyddol. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn gyd-gadeirydd delfrydol, yn gweithio ochr yn ochr â Dr Rowan Williams. Ac, wrth gwrs, ar y comisiwn hwn, nid ydym yn sôn am bobl sydd yno i gynrychioli safbwynt plaid wleidyddol; maen nhw yno am eu sgiliau a'u gallu. Tybed a fyddech chi'n dweud yr un peth am gyfarwyddwr cyffredinol y BBC, a oedd yn gyn-ymgeisydd Ceidwadol. Mae'r pwyntiau hynny'n cael eu gwneud gennych chi, mae ganddyn nhw hawl i gael ateb, ond rwy'n credu bod y dystiolaeth yn yr hyn mae Laura McAllister yn ei wneud, yr hyn mae'r comisiwn yn ei wneud. Dydw i ddim yn credu y gall fod unrhyw un wedi gwrando ar Radio Wales y bore yma a chlywed ei disgrifiad o sut mae'n gweld y comisiwn yn mynd o gwmpas ei waith, ac archwilio'r holl faterion ac opsiynau i Gymru, nad yw wedi creu argraff arno. Yn wir, rwy'n siŵr ei bod hi wedi creu argraff ar bob un ohonoch chi. Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi eu bod nhw'n bwyntiau mae'n rhaid i chi eu gwneud. Rydych chi'n gwneud pwynt am y ddwy flynedd; wel, gallai fod yn fyrrach. Rwy'n credu mai'r hyn sy'n bwysig, wrth gwrs, yw mai un o swyddogaethau'r comisiwn, yn amlwg, yw dylanwadu ar yr hyn a allai ddigwydd mewn etholiadau cyffredinol yn y dyfodol, i gyflwyno safbwynt o Gymru, ein bod ni ein hunain yn manteisio ar y fenter o ran sut y credwn y gallai'r diwygiadau i'r DU ddigwydd, a hefyd beth allai'r opsiynau fod i Gymru o ran pethau a allai ddigwydd sydd y tu hwnt i'n rheolaeth, boed o fewn yr Alban neu yng Ngogledd Iwerddon. O ran y gost a'r tâl, bydd pecyn cydnabyddiaeth sy'n debyg i'r holl gomisiynau eraill sy'n cael eu sefydlu. Pan fyddwch chi'n gofyn i bobl gymryd cyfnodau hir o amser a gwaith sylweddol allan o'u bywydau gwaith, mae hynny'n arferol. Ysgrifennaf atoch ar wahân am y rheini. Bydd y rheini, wrth gwrs, yn cael eu cyhoeddi. Nid oes gennyf yr union fanylion sydd yno. Wrth gwrs, mae aelodau o'r comisiwn sy'n dal i ymgysylltu gyda'r bwriad o ddod ar y comisiwn. O ran y cylch gorchwyl neu'r amcanion cyffredinol, mae'n ymddangos i mi fod y ddau amcan cyffredinol yn glir. Y perygl yw, mae ceisio ei ddatrys gyda chyfres gyfan o faterion yn ymwneud â hyn a'r llall, beth allai hyn fod a beth allai'r gwerth hwn fod ac yn y blaen, yn mynd yn eithaf anodd. Felly, rwyf mewn gwirionedd yn eithaf cadarnhaol ynghylch symlrwydd y ddau amcan cyffredinol, ond hefyd, pan fydd y comisiwn llawn ar waith, rwy'n credu y byddaf mewn sefyllfa i ddatblygu beth fydd ei gynllun strategol o ran ymgysylltu, a sut y bydd yn ymgysylltu â phobl Cymru a sut mae'n ymwneud ag ehangder safbwyntiau gwahanol sy'n bodoli. O ran y panel o arbenigwyr, bydd yr hyn yr ydym ni'n edrych arno yn dibynnu'n rhannol ar y rhaglen strategol, ond hefyd bydd yn banel na fydd yno ar gyfer safbwyntiau gwleidyddol, ond am y sgiliau a'r arbenigedd sydd ganddyn nhw. Felly, mae'n ddigon posibl y bydd angen arbenigedd mewn perthynas â busnes, mewn perthynas â chyllid, mewn perthynas â llywodraethu, mewn perthynas ag enghreifftiau rhyngwladol ac yn y blaen. A byddaf yn adrodd ar hynny mewn datganiad pellach hefyd. A gaf i ddweud, o ran yr heriau sydd o'n blaenau, fod hyn yn ymwneud mewn gwirionedd â chroesawu'r newid sydd yno? Mae newid yn dod, mae newid yn mynd i ddigwydd, does dim byd yn aros am byth. Fe wyddom ni am y camweithredu sy'n bodoli ar hyn o bryd. Roedd yna wleidydd a ddywedodd: 'Rwy'ncredu ei bod yn dda i wlad a'i phobl gael ei thynged yn ei dwylo ei hun ac i'w penderfyniadau eu hunain fod o bwys. Pan fyddaf yn edrych o amgylch Ewrop, ar y cyfan, y gwledydd llai, sy'nymddangos bod ganddyn nhw benderfyniadau o ansawdd uwch Mae bod yn gyfrifol am eich polisïau eich hun yn arwain at ganlyniadau gwell.' Roedd hwnnw'n ddyfyniad gan yr Arglwydd Frost, ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n gwbl berthnasol i'r comisiwn rydym ni'n ei sefydlu. Rwy'n credu, mewn gwirionedd, mai'r hyn yr ydym ni ei eisiau yw rhyw fath o godi'r gwastad. Rwy'n credu mai dyna'r hyn yr ydym ni'n chwilio amdano a'r hyn yr ydym ni'n anelu ato. Rydym ni'n edrych ar sut y gallem ni gymryd rheolaeth yn ôl. Mae'r holl sloganau a datganiadau hynny a wnaed beth amser yn ôl yn rhywbeth sy'n uniongyrchol berthnasol, ac, wrth gwrs, dyna'n union yr oedd yr Arglwydd Frost yn ei ddweud. Rwy'n credu mai'r allwedd yw mai diben y comisiwn yw cofleidio pawb ledled Cymru a meithrin consensws. Efallai y dylwn i orffen gyda'r sylwadau cadarnhaol a wnaethoch chi yn gynnar. Rwy'n edrych ymlaen ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd pawb yn ymgysylltu'n gadarnhaol. Rwy'n gwybod bod gennym ni wahaniaethau, ond wrth i ni symud ymlaen gyda'n gilydd, rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig ein bod yn ceisio meithrin consensws ynghylch ble y bydd newid yn gweithio, yn y pen draw, er budd pobl a chymunedau Cymru.