English: [Interruption.] Discuss. Discuss. So, it's hugely important that we have that level of engagement from the UK Government. We have not yet had a Joint Ministerial Committee plenary. It's right to say that other JMCs are planned, but, on this most important issue, nothing - no agreement to a meeting, even. Now that, clearly, is not helpful as far as the future is concerned, particularly as we look to develop structures that will enable us to agree common ways forward in the future. On a side issue, but just to give Members a flavour of the difficulties we're facing at the moment, ourselves and the Scottish Government have argued that there is a dispute that needs to be resolved between us and the UK Government over the financial settlement to Northern Ireland. We argue that it drives a coach and horses, we think, quite reasonably, in terms of the argument, through the Barnett formula, in providing extra money, extra revenue funding, for health and education for Northern Ireland outside of that formula. We argue there's a dispute. The UK Government does not accept there is a dispute, and so the dispute resolution process, they argue, can't even be triggered. So, if we have a dispute with the UK Government and they disagree there's a dispute at all, they win every single time. Now that can't possibly be right. That's why we need to put in place a structure that's more robust, a structure that recognises the fact that there are four nations within the UK. We need to see more engagement from the UK Government to make sure that we are able to protect the interests of Wales. The offer is made by the Member for there to be cross-party engagement. I have no difficulty in working in that way with him. I've seen that that's happened in Scotland. I see no reason why we shouldn't move ahead with this in Wales. There will be disagreements - of course there will - over certain aspects, but, when it comes to the fundamental rights of this institution, elected by the people of Wales, I believe that there really should be common ground between us, and that is that powers should rest where they're meant to rest, and that means those powers coming back to Wales without the need for interception from Whitehall.
Welsh: [Torri ar draws.] Trafodwch. Trafodwch. Felly, mae'n hynod bwysig bod gennym y lefel honno o ymgysylltiad gan Lywodraeth y DU. Nid ydym eto wedi cael cyfarfod llawn o'r Cydbwyllgor Gweinidogion. Mae'n iawn dweud bod cyfarfodydd eraill o'r Cydbwyllgor Gweinidogion yn cael eu trefnu, ond, ar y mater pwysig iawn hwn, dim byd - dim cytundeb i gyfarfod, hyd yn oed. Nawr, yn amlwg, nid yw hynny'n ddefnyddiol ar gyfer y dyfodol, yn enwedig wrth i ni geisio datblygu strwythurau a fydd yn ein galluogi i gytuno ar ffyrdd ymlaen cyffredin yn y dyfodol. Ar fater ymylol, ond i roi blas i'r Aelodau o'r anawsterau yr ydym yn eu hwynebu ar hyn o bryd, rydym ni a Llywodraeth yr Alban wedi dadlau bod anghydfod y mae angen ei ddatrys rhyngom ni a Llywodraeth y DU dros y setliad ariannol i Ogledd Iwerddon. Rydym ni'n dadlau ei fod yn chwalu a diystyru, yn ein barn ni, yn eithaf rhesymol, o ran y ddadl, fformiwla Barnett, wrth ddarparu arian ychwanegol, cyllid refeniw ychwanegol, ar gyfer iechyd ac addysg i Ogledd Iwerddon y tu allan i'r fformiwla honno. Rydym ni'n dadlau bod anghydfod. Nid yw Llywodraeth y DU yn derbyn bod anghydfod, ac felly maen nhw'n dadlau na ellir sbarduno'r broses o ddatrys anghydfod. Felly, os oes gennym anghydfod â Llywodraeth y DU ac maen nhw'n anghytuno bod anghydfod o gwbl, maen nhw'n ennill bob tro. Nawr ni all hynny fod yn iawn. Dyna pam mae angen i ni roi strwythur sy'n fwy cadarn ar waith, strwythur sy'n cydnabod y ffaith bod pedair gwlad yn y DU. Mae angen i ni weld mwy o ymgysylltiad gan Lywodraeth y DU i sicrhau ein bod yn gallu amddiffyn buddiannau Cymru. Gwneir y cynnig gan yr Aelod am gael ymgysylltiad trawsbleidiol. Nid oes gennyf unrhyw anhawster yn gweithio gydag ef yn y ffordd honno. Rwyf wedi gweld bod hynny'n digwydd yn yr Alban. Ni welaf unrhyw reswm pam na ddylem wneud hyn yng Nghymru. Bydd anghytuno - wrth gwrs - ar rai agweddau, ond, pan ddaw i hawliau sylfaenol y sefydliad hwn, sydd wedi'i ethol gan bobl Cymru, credaf fod yna dir cyffredin rhyngom ni, sef y dylai'r pwerau orffwys lle maen nhw i fod i orffwys, ac mae hynny'n golygu bod y pwerau hynny yn dod yn ôl i Gymru heb fod angen mynd trwy Whitehall.