English: I thank Julie Morgan for what she said and for drawing attention to those important aspects of the framework. We have looked to see how systems work elsewhere where independent advice makes its contribution to decision making. We have looked particularly at Scotland, because, as I said, it is fair to recognise that we were treading in their footsteps in securing that level of independent contribution to the framework. The OBR is independent of Government, but it is London-based, and you could argue that it sees the world a bit through the Treasury end of the telescope. I look forward to discussing in Scotland the way that their fiscal commission is operating. As Simon Thomas said, I have some doubts as to whether a full fiscal commission is a proportionate response to the level of fiscal devolution that we have in Wales, but we have benefitted hugely, for example, from the work of the Wales Governance Centre and the work of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. So, there are bodies out there that provide independent and robust advice. There will be others as well. At the moment I'm open to a number of different possibilities. We have a period of time. The fiscal framework allows in the beginning for the Welsh Government to operate within its own forecasting ability, so we don't have to rush it in a matter of days. I want to find the best and proportionate advice that is independent of us and allows us to deploy it, and I'm very happy to continue to discuss with members of the Finance Committee and others the relative merits of different methods as we explore them in more detail.
Welsh: Diolchaf i Julie Morgan am yr hyn a ddywedodd ac am dynnu sylw at yr agweddau pwysig hynny ar y fframwaith. Rydym wedi edrych i weld sut mae systemau yn gweithio mewn mannau eraill lle mae cyngor annibynnol yn cyfrannu at wneud penderfyniadau. Rydym wedi edrych yn benodol ar yr Alban, oherwydd, fel y dywedais, mae'n deg cydnabod ein bod yn dilyn yn ôl eu traed i sicrhau'r lefel honno o gyfraniad annibynnol i'r fframwaith. Mae'r Swyddfa Cyfrifoldeb Cyllidebol yn annibynnol ar y Llywodraeth, ond mae wedi'i lleoli yn Llundain, a gallech ddadlau ei bod yn gweld y byd ychydig trwy delesgop y Trysorlys. Edrychaf ymlaen at drafod yn yr Alban sut y mae eu comisiwn ariannol yn gweithredu. Fel y dywedodd Simon Thomas, mae gennyf rai amheuon ynghylch a yw comisiwn ariannol llawn yn ymateb cymesur i lefel y datganoli cyllidol sydd gennym yng Nghymru, ond rydym wedi elwa'n aruthrol, er enghraifft, ar waith Canolfan Llywodraethiant Cymru a gwaith y Sefydliad Astudiaethau Cyllid. Felly, mae yna gyrff sy'n bodoli eisoes sy'n darparu cyngor annibynnol a chadarn. Bydd eraill hefyd. Ar hyn o bryd rwy'n agored i nifer o wahanol bosibiliadau. Mae gennym gyfnod o amser. Mae'r fframwaith cyllidol yn caniatáu ar y dechrau i Lywodraeth Cymru weithredu o fewn ei gallu rhagweld ei hun, felly nid oes angen i ni ei ruthro mewn mater o ddyddiau. Rwy'n dymuno dod o hyd i'r cyngor gorau a chymesur sy'n annibynnol arnom ni ac sy'n ein galluogi i'w ddefnyddio, ac rwy'n hapus iawn i barhau i drafod rhinweddau cymharol gwahanol ddulliau gydag aelodau o'r Pwyllgor Cyllid ac eraill wrth i ni eu harchwilio yn fanylach.