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English: Well, for the time being, they're saying that they are going to direct the resources that they have for the creation of more standards in order to create a new Bill, which suggests that it's a very, very small group indeed that is working on the standards, because it's impossible for them to do both things at once -
Welsh: Wel, am y tro maen nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw'n mynd i roi'r adnoddau sydd ganddyn nhw ar gyfer creu mwy o safonau er mwyn creu Bil newydd, sy'n awgrymu mai criw bychan iawn, iawn o bobl sydd yn gweithio ar y safonau, achos does bosib bod rhywun yn gallu gwneud y ddau beth ar unwaith -
English: The thing is, the commissioner has gone through this whole process of imposing standards, and surely, by now, the commissioner and her staff have come to understand how it all works and have made it so that it's more easily delivered. As it's already in operation, I don't understand why it couldn't continue with those sectors that are contained within the Measure, and any new body that could appropriately be included. So, I simply don't understand the rationale behind this, I'm afraid.
Welsh: Y peth ydy, mae'r comisiynydd wedi mynd trwy'r holl broses o osod safonau, a siawns, erbyn hyn, fod y comisiynydd a'i staff wedi dod i ddeall sut mae'r peth yn gweithio ac wedi ei wneud o'n fwy rhwydd. Gan ei bod eisoes yn gweithredu, ni allaf weld pam na ellir mynd ymlaen efo'r broses efo'r sectorau sydd o fewn y ddeddfwriaeth, ac unrhyw gorff newydd sydd yn addas i'w gynnwys hefyd. Felly, rydw i jest ddim yn deall y rhesymeg, mae arnaf ofn.
English: Thank you very much. Questions from David Melding now.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae'r cwestiynau nawr gan David Melding.
English: We've got lots of questions for the commissioner now.
Welsh: Mae yna lot o gwestiynau i'r comisiynydd nawr y mae'n rhaid inni eu gofyn.
English: Yes. I think Government and the Assembly, given the evidence submitted, should be very proud of what has happened. Not for one second am I claiming that it's perfect, but it has moved things forward. I would assume that what needs to be done is to ask, 'Well, what else needs to be done?' Of course, if the legislation can be amended in order to improve the process, then do so. But don't withdraw from it because, as far as we can see, it is succeeding within its remit. What's required, therefore, is a shift in other areas now to promote and develop, particularly in education.
Welsh: Ydy, mae o. Rydw i'n meddwl y dylai'r Llywodraeth a'r Cynulliad, o'r dystiolaeth sydd wedi cael ei chyflwyno, fod yn falch iawn o'r hyn sydd wedi digwydd. Nid ydw i am eiliad yn honni ei bod hi'n berffaith, ond mae wedi symud pethau yn eu blaenau. Fe fyddwn i'n tybio mai beth sydd eisiau ei wneud ydy gofyn, 'Reit, beth arall sydd angen ei wneud tu allan?' Os oes modd diwygio'r ddeddf er mwyn gwneud y broses yn well, wel, gwnewch hynny. Ond peidiwch â thynnu nôl arni achos, hyd y gwelwn ni, mae hi'n llwyddo o fewn ei remit. Beth sydd ei angen, felly, ydy sifft mewn meysydd eraill rŵan i hyrwyddo a datblygu, yn enwedig o fewn y byd addysg, wrth gwrs.
English: Right. Well, there it is. [ Laughter. ] There is a risk that this is a MacGuffin. You say, 'We're not going to regulate in order to promote,' but that's not what the choice is. We need both things going hand in hand, and you've done the regulation, for the most part. It's only health and utilities that need to be drawn in at the moment. So, that promotion remains to be done. Don't tell me that it's one or t'other - it is a false choice. I hope I've answered your question there.
Welsh: Reit. Wel, dyna fo. [ Chwerthin. ] Mae yna beryg mai MacGuffin ydy hwn. Rydych chi'n dweud, 'Rydym yn mynd i beidio â rheoleiddio er mwyn hyrwyddo,' ond nid dewis fel yna ydy o. Mae eisiau'r ddau beth yn mynd law yn llaw, ac rydych chi wedi gwneud y rheoleiddio, ar y cyfan. Dim ond iechyd a'r cyfleustodau sydd eisiau dod â nhw i mewn ar hyn o bryd. Felly, mae'r hyrwyddo yn aros i'w wneud. Peidiwch â dweud mai'r naill neu'r llall ydy o - dewis ffals ydy hwnnw. Gobeithio fy mod i wedi ateb y cwestiwn.
English: I think that you have.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu dy fod ti wedi.
English: No, but the utilities are a very different matter, because you're talking about chasing. Well, no, there is legislation that states, 'These are the requirements. These are the standards as regards communicating with the customers.' It's not at all difficult - it's happened already in other areas, in organisations that never, ever did anything on it previously, such as some local government bodies. The legislation has said that they have to do it and they've responded to that challenge. And, as I say, Scottish Power used to do it; they don't do it now. It's not difficult. To be honest, they're quite basic, the things that come within these standards.
Welsh: Na, ond mae cyfleustodau yn fater gwahanol iawn, onid ydyn? Rydych chi'n sôn am chasing. Wel, na, mae yna ddeddfwriaeth sydd yn dweud, 'Dyma safonau. Dyma'r gofynion o ran cyfathrebu efo'r cwsmeriaid.' Nid ydy o yn anodd o gwbl - mae o wedi digwydd yn barod mewn meysydd a gan gyrff nad oedd yn gwneud dim ohono fo yn gynt, fel rhai cyrff llywodraeth leol. Ond mae'r ddeddf yn dweud bod yn rhaid iddyn nhw wneud ac maen nhw wedi ymateb i'r her. Ac mi fuasai - . Fel rydw i'n dweud, roedd Scottish Power yn arfer ei wneud o; nid ydyn nhw yn ei wneud o rŵan. Nid ydy o yn anodd. A dweud y gwir, maen nhw'n eithaf basic, y pethau sy'n dod o fewn y safonau yma.
English: Just to pick up on a few points, in terms of this business of using the carrot rather than the stick and placing duties on organisations, is that going to cost more, in reality? What Jenny describes as chasing after the utilities and so on, and that work of seeking to encourage everyone to use the Welsh language - if you're going to go down that particular route, is there an argument that that would be more expensive, ultimately, than having it clearly set out that these are the expectations and that's the end of it?
Welsh: Jest i bigo i fyny ar gwpwl o bwyntiau, ynglŷn â'r busnes yma o ddefnyddio moronen yn hytrach na gosod dyletswyddau ar gyrff, ydy hynny'n mynd i gostio mwy, mewn gwirionedd, yn y pen draw? Hynny yw, beth mae Jenny yn ei ddisgrifio fel chasing after y cyfleustodau yma ac yn y blaen, a'r gwaith o drio annog pawb i ddefnyddio'r Gymraeg - os ydych chi'n mynd i fynd i lawr y trywydd yna, a oes yna ddadl y byddai hynny'n costio mwy yn y pen draw na dweud yn hollol glir fod yn rhaid ichi wneud hyn a dyna'i diwedd hi?
English: Well, it's not a matter of cost, but whether they should act within the legislation or not. The view of the Assembly - . The Assembly at the time wanted to enhance and expand the legislation and include more organisations within the legislation - that was the mood of the Assembly at the time. So, as I say, I just don't understand the logic or the rationale of the Minister. If you believe that encouragement is what we're after, well, go back to the 1993 Act. You could go around trying to encourage people and saying, 'Come along'. I just don't understand the rationale. There we go.
Welsh: Wel, nid mater o gost ydy o - nid wyf yn meddwl hynny - ond a ydych chi'n credu y dylen nhw weithredu o fewn y ddeddfwriaeth neu beidio. Barn y Cynulliad ar y pryd - . Roedd y Cynulliad, ar y cyfan, eisiau ehangu'r ddeddfwriaeth, eisiau mwy o gyrff i mewn ac eisiau bod yn galetach - dyna oedd mood y Cynulliad ar y pryd. Felly, nid wyf fi jest ddim yn deall - fel rwy'n dweud, nid wyf yn deall rhesymeg y Gweinidog. Os ydych chi'n credu mai rhyw fath o annog sydd ei angen, wel, ewch yn ôl i Ddeddf 1993 - awn ni rownd yn trio dweud wrth bobl, 'Wel, come on, dewch, rŵan'. Nid wyf fi jest ddim yn deall rhesymeg y peth. Dyna fo.
English: It's clear what your view is on the retention of the commissioner and moving forward to implement the legislation. But, in terms of these other aspects, which have, perhaps, gone missing, in your view - these responsibilities that were supposed to be delivered by the Government in terms of language planning and the strategic work, and that aspect of things - how do we move that work forward? If we don't have a commission, is there another way of doing it? Should that work remain within Government, or is there an argument for retaining the Commissioner but also creating some sort of arm's-length body from Government? Ideally, I suppose, it's the Government that should do this, but practically, because we haven't seen it happening, is the solution to move towards some new structure to do that promotional work?
Welsh: A fyddech chi'n dadlau - ? Mae'n hollol glir beth yw'ch safbwynt chi ynglŷn â chadw'r comisiynydd a symud ymlaen i weithredu'r Ddeddf. Ond, o ran yr agweddau eraill yma sydd wedi mynd ar goll, yn eich barn chi - y dyletswyddau yma oedd fod i gael eu cyflawni gan y Llywodraeth, o ran y cynllunio ieithyddol, y gwaith strategol a'r gwaith yna - sut ydym ni'n symud y gwaith yna ymlaen? Os nad ydym ni'n cael comisiwn, a oes ffordd arall o'i wneud o? Hynny yw, ai o fewn Llywodraeth y dylai'r gwaith yna aros neu a oes yna ddadl dros gadw'r Comisiynydd ond hefyd creu rhyw fath o gorff lled braich o Lywodraeth? Yn ddelfrydol, debyg mai'r Llywodraeth ddylai wneud o, ond oherwydd yn ymarferol nad ydyn ni'n ei weld o'n digwydd, ai'r ateb ydy symud tuag at rhyw strwythur newydd i wneud y gwaith hyrwyddo a hybu yna?
English: To be honest, I don't really mind, as long as somebody's doing it. Someone has to do it.
Welsh: Nid oes llawer o ots gen i, cyn belled â'i fod o'n cael ei wneud gan rywun. Mae'n rhaid i rywun ei wneud o.
English: But it's not being done at the moment.
Welsh: Ond nid ydy o ddim yn digwydd ar y funud.
English: What lessons could be learned from the international perspective? You've talked about Ireland, but what about the Basque Country, for example?
Welsh: Pa wersi sydd yna i'w dysgu o'r persbectif rhyngwladol? Rydych chi wedi sôn am Iwerddon, ond beth am Wlad y Basg, er enghraifft?
English: My recollection is that the civil servants did look at best practice in other countries before coming up with this legislation. Certainly, the Basque Country is the best example from the point of view of language regeneration of a language that wasn't a majority language. Once again, education was their main tool, as I understand it. But things aren't perfect in the Basque Country. Don't believe that there are simple solutions there: the power of the Anglo-American culture is exceptionally powerful. And in the Basque Country, the neighbouring language is, of course, Spanish and that is an extremely powerful language. It's not easy to change those speakers into Basque speakers, and, so, it's a long-term venture and a very exciting one, and that's how we should view it. And, certainly, you should look at the Basque Country but also you should look at good practice in other places.
Welsh: Y cof sydd gen i ydy bod y gweision sifil wedi edrych ar arfer da mewn gwledydd eraill cyn llunio'r ddeddfwriaeth yma, ac, yn sicr, Gwlad y Basg ydy'r enghraifft orau o ran adfywio iaith nad oedd yn iaith fwyafrifol. Ac unwaith eto, addysg oedd eu prif arf nhw, fel rydw i'n deall. Ond nid ydy pethau'n berffaith yng Ngwlad y Basg; peidiwch â meddwl bod yna atebion hawdd yn hyn o beth. Mae grym y diwylliant Eingl-Americanaidd yn aruthrol, fel rydych chi wedi sôn am delegyfathrebu - mae'n aruthrol. Ac yng Ngwlad y Basg, Sbaeneg ydy o, ac mae Sbaeneg yn iaith ryngwladol, bwerus iawn, iawn. Ac, felly, nid ydy o'n hawdd trosi'r siaradwyr newydd yna i ddefnyddio'r Fasgeg hyd yn oed. Felly, mae hon yn broses tymor hir, mae'n fenter aruthrol, gyffrous iawn, iawn, iawn, ac fel yna y dylem ni edrych arni. Yn bendant, dylech chi edrych ar Wlad y Basg, ond hefyd lle mae yna arfer da mewn llefydd eraill i weld beth sydd yn bosib i'w wneud.
English: Do you have any understanding of why the Basque Country has been so successful? You talked about education, but is it a matter of will?
Welsh: A oes gennych chi syniad sut mae Gwlad y Basg wedi bod mor llwyddiannus? Roeddech chi'n sôn am addysg, ond a ydy o'n fater o ewyllys?
English: It's political commitment. There were governments, they were coalition governments, and they began this process, and the process has continued relatively consistently, although there have been changes in the leadership of the governments. I don't know about that in detail, but it was a long-term thing. In fact, the Assembly has to be happy that this is a long-term plan, lasting over decades.
Welsh: Commitment gwleidyddol ydy o. Mi roedd yna lywodraethau a oedd yn glymbleidiau - nhw ddaru ddechrau'r broses yma, ac mae'r broses wedi para yn weddol gyson ers hynny, er bod yna newidiadau wedi bod yn lliw'r Llywodraeth. Nid ydw i'n gwybod yn fanwl, ond mi roedd o dros dymor hir, a dyna'r peth pwysig, onid e? Nid rhywbeth dros dymor llywodraeth ydy hwn; mae'n rhaid i'r - . Mewn gwirionedd, mae'n rhaid i'r Cynulliad i gyd fod yn hapus bod hwn yn gynllun a fydd yn para ymlaen dros ddegawdau, mewn gwirionedd.
English: Great. We have to bring this session to a close. We are on time, so thank you very much for coming to see us this morning. I'm sure that you will take an interest in the remainder of the inquiry. If we have any additional questions, we'll write to you, if that's okay.
Welsh: Grêt. Mae'n rhaid inni orffen y sesiwn nawr. Rydym ni ar amser, felly diolch yn fawr iawn am fod gyda ni y bore yma. Mae'n siŵr y byddwch chi'n cymryd diddordeb yng ngweddill yr ymchwiliad. Os oes unrhyw gwestiynau ychwanegol, byddwn ni'n ysgrifennu atoch chi, os yw hynny'n iawn.
English: Okay. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi.
English: Thank you for coming today. We'll now take a two-minute break. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn am ddod i mewn. Byddwn ni'n cymryd seibiant o ddwy funud. Diolch.
English: Great, thank you very much. We'll move on to item 3: supporting and promoting the Welsh language - our inquiry into the legislative policy and wider context of the 2011 Measure and what will happen for the future. We welcome our witnesses: Meri Huws, the Welsh Language Commissioner, and Dyfan Sion, the strategic director. A very warm welcome to you once again. We've already heard, as I'm sure you're aware, many references to the work of the commissioner this morning, and I'd just like to ask the first question in terms of your thinking as to what happened at the time when the commissioner's role was created through the 2011 Measure, and your view, perhaps, on that shift from the 1993 Act towards that process and the 2011 Measure.
Welsh: Grêt, diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydym ni'n symud ymlaen at eitem 3: cefnogi a hybu'r Gymraeg - ein hymchwiliad i mewn i'r iaith a goblygiadau Mesur 2011 ac i'r hyn sydd yn mynd i ddigwydd i'r dyfodol. Croeso i'n tystion: Meri Huws, sef Comisiynydd y Gymraeg, a hefyd Dyfan Sion, cyfarwyddwr strategol. Croeso mawr atom heddiw eto. Rydym ni wedi clywed yn barod - fel rydych chi wedi, yn siŵr - lot o gyfeiriadau at waith y comisiynydd yn hynny o beth, a hoffwn i jest ofyn cwestiwn i gychwyn o ran eich meddylfryd chi o ran beth oedd wedi digwydd ar y pryd o ran creu swydd y comisiynydd gyda Mesur 2011, ac efallai eich barn chi ynglŷn â'r newid, wedyn, o 1993 yn symud at y broses hynny.
English: We will be coming to the questions about legislation, but, just quickly, the next question that I have is about the scope of the Measure. We hear that it, perhaps, was too restricted or that it was too narrow, or maybe that it was too broad. Different people say different things. But to return to the question that was asked at the last session, namely about promotion of the language, I read in your evidence, which was interesting for me to hear for the first time, that you view standards as part of this concept of promotion in itself. So, how do you view your role in that, and do you, perhaps, agree with Alun Ffred Jones who says, 'Well, actually, the majority of that work should be done by Welsh Government, so they should be accountable for that'?
Welsh: Byddwn ni yn dod at y cwestiynau am y ddeddfwriaeth, ond, jest yn glou, mae'r cwestiwn nesaf gen i ynglŷn â chwmpas y Mesur. Rydym yn clywed ei fod, efallai, yn rhy gyfyng neu wedi'i adael yn rhy eang. Mae pobl wahanol yn dweud pethau gwahanol. I ddod yn ôl at y cwestiwn a gawsom yn y sesiwn ddiwethaf o ran hyrwyddo a hwyluso, fe wnes i ddarllen yn eich tystiolaeth chi - ac roedd yn ddiddorol i fi ei glywed am y tro cyntaf - eich bod yn gweld safonau fel rhan o'r cysyniad yma o hyrwyddo ynddo'i hun. Felly, sut ydych chi'n gweld eich rôl chi yn hynny o beth, ac a ydych yn cytuno, efallai, gydag Alun Ffred Jones, sy'n dweud, 'Wel, actually, mae rhelyw o'r gwaith hynny i fod i gael ei wneud gan Lywodraeth Cymru, felly nhw ddylai fod yn atebol am hynny'?
English: There are a number of questions there -
Welsh: Reit, mae sawl cwestiwn yn fanna -
English: Have you carried out an assessment of that?
Welsh: A ydych chi wedi gwneud asesiad o hynny?
English: Yes, and we will publish that. It has been carried out. It's been concluded, and we will be publishing the outcomes and the advice emerging from that to local authorities over the next few weeks. It's ready to go. Some local authorities have been exceptional. I don't often say it, but there are some excellent examples and there are some that are not so positive. But - .
Welsh: Ydym, ac mi fyddwn ni gyhoeddi hwnnw. Mae e wedi cael ei wneud. Mae e wedi'i bennu. Mi fyddwn ni gyhoeddi'r canlyniadau a chyngor sy'n deillio o hwnnw i'r awdurdodau lleol yn ystod yr wythnosau nesaf. Mae'n barod i fynd. Mae rhai awdurdodau lleol wedi serennu. Nid yn aml rydw i'n ei ddweud, ond mae yna ambell esiampl arbennig, ac mae ambell un sydd yn dlotach. Ond - .
English: Within the present legislation, you say that promotion and facilitation are within the scope, but what about the strategic overview and the language planning, and that high-level work that is required to bring everything together? Is that within the scope of your work as a commissioner?
Welsh: O fewn y ddeddfwriaeth bresennol, felly, a ydych chi - ? Rydych chi'n dweud bod hybu a hwyluso o fewn sgôp, ond beth am y trosolwg strategol a chynllunio ieithyddol, a'r gwaith lefel uchel yna sydd ei angen i ddod â phopeth ynghyd? A ydy hynny o fewn sgôp eich gwaith chi fel comisiynydd?
English: I would argue that, in terms of that element, then that should be the Government strategy. As we heard from your earlier witness, the Government is the driver of the strategy as a whole. There are various agencies that can contribute and play a role within that, but it's the Government strategy at that umbrella level, that high level, that overarching level. So, we as a commission have a prominent role in that, and I do believe that regulation and promotion within one organisation isn't a conflict - it's two sides of the same coin.
Welsh: Buaswn i yn dadlau, o ran yr elfen yna, strategaeth y Llywodraeth ddylai hynny fod. Rydw i'n credu, fel clywsom ni oddi wrth y tyst a oedd yn rhoi tystiolaeth yn gynt, ond rhywbeth rŷm ni'n ei gredu: Llywodraeth yw gyrrwr y strategaeth yn ei chyfanrwydd. Mae gwahanol asiantaethau yn gallu cyfrannu a chwarae rôl o fewn i hynny, ond strategaeth y Llywodraeth yw ar y lefel ymbarél uchel yna. Ond mae yna le i ni, a rôl y comisiynydd, fod yn flaenllaw yn hynny, ac rydw i yn gredwr cryf nad yw rheoleiddio a hybu o fewn corff yn gwrthdaro; maen nhw'n ddwy ochr o'r un geiniog.
English: I will hand over to Dyfan Sion, the strategic director with responsibility for the small team dealing with promotion, but before I do that, may I return to something the Chair mentioned in relation to our own evidence? I do believe that standards are also a means of promotion. I think placing expectations on organisations is part of creating service change, and doing that in the way I hope we are doing, where we work very closely with the bodies involved to create services that are modern and bilingual, is a way of promoting and facilitating. But it's over to you, Dyfan.
Welsh: Rydw i'n mynd i drosglwyddo i Dyfan Sion, y cyfarwyddwr strategol sydd â chyfrifoldeb am y tîm bach sy'n ymwneud â hybu, ond, cyn bo fi'n ei wneud, a gaf i ddod nôl at rywbeth y gwnaeth y Cadeirydd sôn amdano yn ein tystiolaeth ni? Rydw i yn credu bod safonau yn ffordd o hybu, hefyd. Rydw i yn credu bod rhoi disgwyliadau ar sefydliadau yn rhan o greu gwasanaethau, ac mae gwneud hynny mewn ffordd fel, gobeithio, rydym ni yn ei wneud erbyn hyn, lle rŷm ni'n gweithio gyda nhw yn agos i greu gwasanaethau sydd yn fodern, yn gyfoes ac yn ddwyieithog, i greu gwasanaethau sydd yn fodern, yn gyfoes ac yn ddwyieithog yn ffordd o hybu a hwyluso. Ond drosodd atat ti, Dyfan.
English: May I just also add? I think that the work that we've done with those organisations has helped us with our standards work too, because there are standards that have been imposed that relate to self-service machines, how one registers language of choice, and that's been challenging. It has been challenging. What we've been able to feed into that discussion through our engagement with the banks - some banks that are operating Wales and outside the UK - is we've looked at how they've created the software in order to capture that information quickly, and created that link between that work and the standards work that we do. So, I think that's an example of where promotion, facilitation and regulation can work together well in terms of good practice.
Welsh: A gaf i hefyd jest ategu? Rydw i'n credu bod y gwaith rŷm ni wedi ei wneud gyda'r cyrff yna wedi'n helpu ni gyda'r gwaith safonau hefyd, achos mae yna safonau sydd wedi cael eu gosod ar gyrff sydd yn ymwneud â pheiriannau hunan-wasanaeth, sut mae rhywun yn cofrestru dewis iaith, ac mae hynny wedi bod yn heriol. Mae wedi bod yn heriol. A beth rŷm ni wedi gallu ei fwydo i fewn i'r drafodaeth yna trwy ein hymwneud ni gyda'r banciau - mae ambell i fanc sydd yn gweithredu tu fas i Gymru ac yn gweithredu tu fas i Brydain - yw sut maen nhw wedi creu'r feddalwedd i allu dal y wybodaeth yna'n glou, a chreu y cyswllt wedyn rhwng y gwaith hwnnw a'r gwaith safonau. Rydw i'n credu bod honno yn esiampl lle mae hybu, hwyluso a rheoleiddio o ran arfer da yn gallu gweithio ar y cyd.
English: You will see from my evidence that I do not believe that we need to legislate. The Measure that we have at present is not perfect - I recognise that. And I believe that, at times, it would be possible to make it a little bit more flexible. But, fundamentally, the Measure gives the scope; it's not restrictive, and I don't believe that we have yet - well, I wouldn't, having spent five or six years doing this - used the Measure to its greatest potential, by a long way. At the moment, Canada is looking at reforming its official languages legislation, which has existed for half a century. I do not recommend that half a century should elapse before we look again at legislation, but we should use the Measure that we already have - look at the boundaries and, of course, reform, if we need to, when we need to. But, at present, I don't think we need fresh legislation. I believe that the Measure that we have is one that we should be proud of.
Welsh: Fe welwch chi o fy nhystiolaeth i nad ydw i'n credu bod angen inni ddeddfu. Nid yw'r Mesur sydd gyda ni ar hyn o bryd yn berffaith - rydw i'n cydnabod hynny. Ac rydw i yn credu ar adegau byddai modd efallai ystwytho rhywfaint. Ond mae'r Mesur, yn y bôn, yn Fesur sydd yn rhoi'r sgôp; nid yw'n cyfyngu, ac nid ydw i'n credu ein bod ni eto - a buaswn i ddim ar ôl pump neu chwe blynedd - wedi defnyddio'r Mesur i'r eithaf, o bell ffordd. Os feddyliwch chi, mae Canada yn edrych ar hyn o bryd ar adolygu eu deddfwriaeth ieithoedd swyddogol, sydd wedi bod mewn bodolaeth ers hanner canrif. Nid ydw i'n argymell ein bod ni'n treulio hanner canrif yn peidio ag edrych ar y Mesur, ond rydw i'n credu y dylem ddefnyddio'r Mesur sydd gyda ni - edrych ar y ffiniau ac, wrth gwrs, adolygu, os oes angen, pan ddaw hynny'n amlwg. Ond nid ydw i'n credu bod y dystiolaeth yna ar hyn o bryd bod angen cael deddfwriaeth o'r newydd. Rydw i'n credu bod y Mesur sydd gyda ni yn un y dylem ni fod yn falch ohono fe.