English: Diolch, Llywydd. I felt under pressure in the time remaining for me to respond anyway, given what Jenny Rathbone said that it was whistle-stop tour when I tried to cover off as many of the responses to amendments as possible. I was very keen, probably much to the malign of my officials, to do a lot of work to provide as much of the rationale behind the Government's position at this stage as I possibly could. But, can I just say that, in addition, because I recognise the limitations on time this afternoon, I would be happy to follow up in writing to each of the committee Chairs to set those points out in more detail to you as well. I want to join with what Jenny said in terms of thanking the individuals and organisations that gave evidence. There was huge engagement around this legislation, which is to be welcomed, and it's a very positive, I think, reflection on the broader support that there is for the Bill as we've set out. I'm just going to very briefly turn to one of the points that Jenny, the committee Chair, made, and that's with regard to the point to accept in principle recommendation 7. That is something that we will work with - . The reason to accept in principle was because we need to work with partners to reach a position where that can work in practice as well. I have had separate conversations with organisations such as the Royal College of Nursing too on that. Turning to Huw Irranca-Davies's contribution as Chair of LJC, thank you very much, actually, for the opportunity to provide written evidence when we unfortunately weren't able to adhere to the original date of oral evidence. I think you picked up on a number of points that I raised already in the outset of my contribution, but just on recommendation 7 or 8, there's that commitment there to write to the committee and to engage further on that during the process of the legislation moving forward. I liked the liberty you took with regard to taking your committee Chair hat off - [ Interruption.] Yes, well, take every opportunity; it would be remiss of you not to. On the point you made around the CLES report and the potential in terms of worker ownership, I'm more than happy to meet and to discuss that. It might be that this legislation is not the most appropriate vehicle for it, but it's definitely an initiative worth considering. I was actually at an event - I strayed over the border at the weekend to Preston, to a Communication Workers Union conference. We were talking about community wealth building, and Richard Leonard MSP was there talking about - and your name may have been mentioned in dispatches, Huw - the potential there in terms of worker co-operatives and employee ownership. So I'm more than happy to commit to that meeting to discuss how we can take forward work around that. Turning now to Peter Fox, thank you very much for stepping in and your contribution on behalf of the Finance Committee. I think I covered many of the points in my opening comments, but, like I said, I'd like to commit again to following that up in writing to the Finance Committee. And just a couple of other things you were talking about: I think staff time and additional training and getting that information, the data baseline alongside the work - . Obviously, there are challenges in terms of having that information in advance of things being bedded in around some of the duties. But, alongside that - and I think I did mention it to one of the committees, but I actually forget now which one it was, because I've been on the merry-go-round of committee evidence as part of this process - we are doing some work to actually look at training with staff, but also the impact, perhaps, around things such as facility time. We're conducting a survey, as we speak, with the various organisations, to get a better gauge on that, as I did commit to one of the committees that we would need to do to have that baseline, to be able to take more informed decisions. If I perhaps turn now to Joel James's contribution. I'd be intrigued to see who these outside bodies he says he's consulted with are. If the Member would like to write to me on that, the offer is still open to have a briefing around the legislation, to discuss his concerns around it. I have to say, Llywydd, it's disappointing but not surprising. All of us in here have heard the comments previously that the Welsh Conservatives don't support legislation to improve public services and the economic, social, cultural and environmental well-being of Wales, and also the power of the public purse to make a difference to people and places. Turning briefly now to Peredur's contribution -
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Roeddwn i'n teimlo dan bwysau yn yr amser sy'n weddill i mi ymateb beth bynnag, o ystyried yr hyn a ddywedodd Jenny Rathbone ei bod yn grynodeb pan geisiais gwmpasu cymaint o'r ymatebion i welliannau â phosib. Roeddwn i'n awyddus iawn, mae'n debyg i lawer o anfad gan fy swyddogion, i wneud llawer o waith i ddarparu cymaint o'r rhesymeg y tu ôl i safbwynt y Llywodraeth ar hyn o bryd ag y gallwn. Ond, a gaf i ddweud, yn ogystal, oherwydd fy mod yn cydnabod y cyfyngiadau ar amser y prynhawn yma, y byddwn i'n hapus i ymateb yn ysgrifenedig i bob un o'r Cadeiryddion pwyllgor i nodi'r pwyntiau hynny yn fanylach i chi hefyd. Rwyf eisiau ymuno gyda'r hyn a ddywedodd Jenny o ran diolch i'r unigolion a'r sefydliadau a roddodd dystiolaeth. Roedd ymgysylltu enfawr ynghylch y ddeddfwriaeth hon, sydd i'w groesawu, ac mae'n adlewyrchid cadarnhaol iawn, rwy'n credu, o'r gefnogaeth ehangach sydd i'r Bil fel yr ydym wedi'i nodi. Rydw i'n mynd i droi'n fyr iawn at un o'r pwyntiau wnaeth Jenny, Cadeirydd y pwyllgor, a hynny o ran y pwynt i dderbyn argymhelliad 7 mewn egwyddor. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth y byddwn ni'n gweithio gyda - . Y rheswm dros dderbyn mewn egwyddor oedd oherwydd bod angen i ni weithio gyda phartneriaid i gyrraedd sefyllfa lle gall hynny weithio'n ymarferol hefyd. Rwyf wedi cael sgyrsiau ar wahân gyda sefydliadau fel y Coleg Nyrsio Brenhinol hefyd ar hynny. Gan droi at gyfraniad Huw Irranca-Davies fel Cadeirydd y pwyllgor deddfwriaeth, cyfiawnder a'r cyfansoddiad, diolch yn fawr, mewn gwirionedd, am y cyfle i roi tystiolaeth ysgrifenedig pan nad oeddem ni'n anffodus yn gallu cadw at y dyddiad gwreiddiol o dystiolaeth lafar. Rwy'n credu eich bod wedi codi ar nifer o bwyntiau a godais eisoes ar gychwyn fy nghyfraniad, ond dim ond ar argymhelliad 7 neu 8, mae'r ymrwymiad hwnnw yno i ysgrifennu at y pwyllgor ac i ymgysylltu ymhellach ar hynny yn ystod proses y ddeddfwriaeth wrth symud ymlaen. Roeddwn i'n hoffi'r rhyddid y gwnaethoch chi ei gymryd o ran tynnu eich het Cadeirydd pwyllgor i ffwrdd - [ Torri ar draws.] Oes, wel, manteisiwch ar bob cyfle; byddai'n esgeulus ohonoch chi i beidio. Ar y pwynt wnaethoch chi am adroddiad CLES a'r potensial o ran perchnogaeth gweithwyr, rwy'n fwy na pharod i gyfarfod ac i drafod hynny. Efallai nad y ddeddfwriaeth hon yw'r cyfrwng mwyaf priodol ar ei gyfer, ond mae'n bendant yn fenter sy'n werth ei hystyried. Mewn gwirionedd, roeddwn i mewn digwyddiad - crwydrais dros y ffin dros y penwythnos i Preston, i gynhadledd Undeb y Gweithwyr Cyfathrebu. Roedden ni'n siarad am adeiladu cyfoeth cymunedol, ac roedd Richard Leonard, Aelod o Senedd yr Alban, yno'n siarad amdano - ac efallai bod eich enw chi wedi cael ei grybwyll mewn cenadwri, Huw - y potensial yn y fan yna o ran cwmnïau cydweithredol gweithwyr a pherchnogaeth gweithwyr. Felly rwy'n fwy na pharod i ymrwymo i'r cyfarfod hwnnw i drafod sut y gallwn ni fwrw ymlaen â'r gwaith mewn perthynas â hynny. Gan droi nawr at Peter Fox, diolch yn fawr iawn am gamu i mewn a'ch cyfraniad ar ran y Pwyllgor Cyllid. Rwy'n credu fy mod i wedi ymdrin â llawer o'r pwyntiau yn fy sylwadau agoriadol, ond, fel y dywedais i, hoffwn ymrwymo eto i ymateb yn ysgrifenedig i'r Pwyllgor Cyllid. A dim ond cwpl o bethau eraill y gwnaethoch chi sôn amdanyn nhw: rwy'n meddwl amser staff a hyfforddiant ychwanegol a chael y wybodaeth honno, y waelodlin ddata ochr yn ochr â'r gwaith - . Yn amlwg, mae yna heriau o ran cael y wybodaeth yna cyn i bethau gael eu hymgorffori o ran y dyletswyddau. Ond, ochr yn ochr â hynny - ac rwy'n credu i mi sôn amdano wrth un o'r pwyllgorau, ond mewn gwirionedd dydw i ddim yn cofio nawr pa un oedd o, oherwydd fy mod i wedi bod mewn sawl sesiwn tystiolaeth pwyllgor fel rhan o'r broses hon - rydyn ni'n gwneud rhywfaint o waith i edrych ar hyfforddiant gyda staff mewn gwirionedd, ond hefyd yr effaith, efallai, o ran pethau fel amser cyfleuster. Rydym ni'n cynnal arolwg, ar hyn o bryd, gyda'r gwahanol sefydliadau, i gael mesurydd gwell ar hynny, fel y gwnes i ymrwymo i un o'r pwyllgorau y byddai angen i ni ei wneud i gael y waelodlin honno, i allu gwneud penderfyniadau mwy gwybodus. Os gwnaf i efallai droi yn awr at gyfraniad Joel James. Byddwn i'n chwilfrydig i weld pwy yw'r cyrff allanol hyn mae'n dweud ei fod wedi ymgynghori â nhw. Os hoffai'r Aelod ysgrifennu ataf ar hynny, mae'r cynnig yn dal yn agored i gael briff ynghylch y ddeddfwriaeth, i drafod ei bryderon yn ei gylch. Rhaid i mi ddweud, Llywydd, mae'n siomedig ond ddim yn syndod. Mae pob un ohonom ni yma wedi clywed y sylwadau gynt nad yw'r Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn cefnogi deddfwriaeth i wella gwasanaethau cyhoeddus a lles economaidd, cymdeithasol, diwylliannol ac amgylcheddol Cymru, a hefyd grym y pwrs cyhoeddus i wneud gwahaniaeth i bobl a llefydd. Gan droi'n fyr yn awr at gyfraniad Peredur -