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English: Could I just supplement that, Chair? I think that we have to remember that there are groups of Welsh speakers who literally can't speak in English. We're talking about some of the most vulnerable groups in society - young children, people who have dementia, and, of course, there are many people who feel uncomfortable discussing things like this through the medium of English and are much more comfortable speaking Welsh. And as Heledd said, it has been the policy of the Welsh Government to provide an active offer of Welsh language services in the NHS since 2012. It is a policy that they have repeated and repeated, and, therefore, I have to say that it's very disappointing and shocking to see some of the evidence from the bodies, because I think it belongs to another age - or it should do - because some of the evidence is a shock and a surprise, really, and that evidence shows clearly how the strategy of 'More than just words' has failed, because that strategy talks about getting professional bodies to change their attitude. And in looking at this evidence, I have to say that it is a shock to see some of the claims that are being repeated there.
Welsh: Gaf fi jest ategu at hynny, Gadeirydd? Mae'n rhaid cofio bod yna grwpiau o bobl, siaradwyr Cymraeg, sydd yn llythrennol methu siarad yn Saesneg. Rŷn ni'n sôn am rai o grwpiau mwyaf bregus yn ein cymdeithas - mae plant ifanc iawn a phobl sy'n dioddef â dementia yn enghreifftiau o hynny, ac, wrth gwrs, mae yna lot fawr o bobl sydd yn teimlo'n anghyfforddus yn trafod pethau o'r fath yma trwy gyfrwng y Saesneg ac yn lot fwy cyfforddus yn siarad Cymraeg. Ac fel roedd Heledd yn dweud, mae'n bolisi Llywodraeth Cymru i gynnig yn rhagweithiol wasanaethau Cymraeg yn y gwasanaeth iechyd ers 2012. Mae'n bolisi maen nhw wedi ailddweud ac ailddweud. Felly, mae'n rhaid dweud ei fod yn siomedig iawn, ac yn sioc, i weld rhywfaint o'r dystiolaeth gan y cyrff, achos, a dweud y gwir, dwi'n meddwl eu bod nhw yn perthyn i'r oes a fu - wel, neu ddylen nhw fod yn perthyn i'r oes a fu - achos mae rhai o'r dystiolaeth yn sioc ac yn syndod, a dweud y gwir, ac mae'r dystiolaeth hynny'n dangos yn glir sut mae strategaeth 'Mwy na geiriau' wedi methu, achos mae'r strategaeth yna'n sôn am gael y cyrff proffesiynol i newid eu hagwedd nhw. Ac o edrych ar y dystiolaeth yma - hynny yw, mae'n rhaid dweud ei fod yn sioc gweld rhai o'r honiadau sydd yn cael eu hailadrodd yn y fanna.
English: And if I could just add too: I know that there are specific groups - children, people with dementia, older people - as Colin mentioned, but the truth is, when we go to a surgery or any other service, we're all vulnerable because we are reliant on someone else for a service, and it's not something where you want to kick off with a complaint. But also, just to add to what Colin said about the change in attitudes among these bodies - in terms of the evidence that you've received for me - for me, that is the strongest evidence possible of the need for stronger regulation, because they haven't understood what the needs of the people of Wales are.
Welsh: Sori, a alla i ychwanegu hefyd, jest o ran - ? Dwi'n gwybod bod yna bobl, grwpiau specific - plant a phobl â dementia a phobl hŷn - y gwnaeth Colin sôn amdanyn nhw, ond y gwir amdani yw, pan ŷn ni'n mynd at feddygfa neu unrhyw beth, rŷn ni i gyd mewn sefyllfa fregus achos rŷn ni'n dibynnu ar rywun arall am wasanaeth, a dyw e ddim yn rhywbeth lle rŷch chi'n moyn dechrau arno gyda chŵyn. Ond hefyd, i ychwanegu at beth roedd Colin yn ei ddweud am newid agwedd cyrff - o ran y dystiolaeth sydd wedi dod ger eich bron chi - i fi, dyna yw'r dystiolaeth gryfaf sydd o'r angen i reoleiddio'n gryfach, achos dŷn nhw ddim wedi deall beth yw anghenion pobl Cymru.
English: Thank you, that's quite clear - your views are clear regarding what we've received as evidence. Clearly, we've heard from them orally this morning, and even though they said that they had been more negative towards the draft regulations, they have changed their attitude towards the regulations that exist currently, which are more favourable. But, certainly, I'm sure you have a view on that. But my second question is: what do you think is the situation on the ground now? Have you undertaken any sort of research on what exists now to know how much better, or how many more developments are required so that we reach a sufficient level that is good for people who want to have access through the medium of Welsh?
Welsh: Diolch, mae hynny'n weddol glir - eich barn ynglŷn â'r hyn dŷn ni wedi'i gael fel tystiolaeth. Yn amlwg, dŷn ni wedi clywed ganddyn nhw ar lafar y bore yma, ac er iddyn nhw ddweud eu bod nhw wedi bod yn fwy negyddol tuag at y rheoliadau drafft, maen nhw wedi newid agwedd tuag at y rheoliadau sydd yn bodoli nawr, sydd yn fwy ffafriol. Ond, yn sicr, mae'n siŵr bod gyda chi farn ar hynny. Ond fy ail gwestiwn i yw: beth dŷch chi'n credu yw'r sefyllfa ar lawr gwlad nawr? Ydych chi wedi gwneud unrhyw fath o ymchwil i mewn i'r hyn sydd yn bodoli nawr i wybod faint yn well, neu faint o ddatblygiadau sydd angen digwydd i ni gyrraedd lefel sydd yn ddigonol ac sydd yn deilwng i bobl sydd eisiau cael mynediad trwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg?
English: Well, of course, what we have - . We're here representing our members, so on a daily basis we have people telling us what has been challenging for them. We gather all of that information together, but also, of course, we do look at other evidence sources and other evidence that's gathered. And, of course, there's been a great deal of evidence gathered. This is one of the strengths of the commissioner - she has published a number of reports. What's the point in us carrying on having these inquiries and making recommendations unless they are implemented? The latest research was so shocking, it was clear from the Government's response that they were struck by the need to make changes. If you want us to carry out a campaign to gather that evidence again, then we can do that. We can bring evidence to you of people who -
Welsh: Wel, wrth gwrs, beth ŷn ni'n cael - . Rŷn ni yma i gynrychioli'n haelodau, so rŷn ni, yn ddyddiol, yn cael pobl yn dod â'r hyn sy'n heriol iddyn nhw i ni. Rŷn ni'n casglu'r wybodaeth yna ynghyd mewn un darn, ond hefyd, wrth gwrs, rŷn ni'n edrych ar dystiolaeth arall sydd yn cael ei chasglu. Ac, wrth gwrs, mae yna lawer o dystiolaeth wedi'i gwneud. Dyma un o gryfderau'r comisiynydd, am wn i - mae hi wedi dod mas â sawl adroddiad. Beth yw'r pwynt inni gadw gwneud ymchwiliadau a chadw gwneud argymhellion os nad ŷn nhw'n cael eu gweithredu arnyn nhw? Roedd yr ymchwil diwethaf mor arswydus, mi oedd e'n amlwg, wrth ymateb y Llywodraeth, eu bod nhw wedi cael eu taro hefyd gyda'r angen. Os ŷch chi angen inni wneud ymgyrch i gasglu'r dystiolaeth hynny eto, mi allwn ni wneud hynny. Gallwn ni ddod â thystiolaeth i chi o bobl sydd wedi -
English: We've received much of that, I just wanted to put on the record that that research is happening and that you've been gathering information.
Welsh: Dŷn ni wedi cael lot o'r rheini; roeddwn i jest eisiau rhoi ar y record fod ymchwil yn digwydd a'ch bod chi wedi bod yn casglu hynny.
English: Yes, we gather evidence, because we represent patients and the people who - . And just to respond to what you said about the organisations who've responded, saying that they would reject the draft regulations, but that these are more acceptable - well, the question is: more favourable to who?
Welsh: Ydyn, rŷn ni'n casglu tystiolaeth, achos rŷn ni'n cynrychioli'r cleifion a'r bobl - . A jest i ymateb i beth roeddet ti wedi'i ddweud hefyd am y cyrff sydd wedi ymateb, ac y bydden nhw wedi gwrthod y rheoliadau drafft, ond bod y rhain yn fwy - . Ddywedoch chi fod y rhain yn fwy ffafriol, ond y cwestiwn yw: yn fwy ffafriol i bwy, yntefe?
English: Certainly, what they said was that it is more favourable to them, as bodies, that they are less prescriptive than what the other regulations were.
Welsh: Yn sicr, beth roedden nhw wedi'i ddweud yw ei fod yn fwy ffafriol iddyn nhw, fel cyrff, eu bod yn llai prescriptive na beth oedd y rhai y roedden nhw'n -
English: And just a question on the commissioner - what we've seen is that the Welsh Language Commissioner at the time said that the duties, and I'm quoting, are reasonable and appropriate at the moment. What are your views on that?
Welsh: A jest o ran cwestiwn ynglŷn â'r comisiynydd - beth rŷn ni wedi gweld yw bod Comisiynydd y Gymraeg ar y pryd wedi dweud bod y dyletswyddau, a dwi'n dyfynnu, yn rhesymol ac yn briodol ar hyn o bryd. Beth yw'ch barn chi ar hynny?
English: Well, I don't know what the status of that is. Clearly, in the explanatory memorandum, the Government doesn't refer to any consultation with the commissioner. But, again, in a very recent letter, they say that they have, so we can't answer on behalf of the commissioner, but, clearly, the Government, when they published these regulations and the explanatory memorandum, weren't aware that they had consulted the Welsh Language Commissioner. So, I don't know how much weight one can put on what the Government is saying now, during your scrutiny process, in terms of consultation. But, of course, we don't believe that the regulations are sufficient by any means, and I would question whether they have actually consulted with the commissioner if they haven't included it in the explanatory memorandum.
Welsh: Wel, dwi ddim yn gwybod beth yw statws hynny. Yn amlwg, yn y memorandwm esboniadol, dyw'r Llywodraeth ddim yn cyfeirio at ymgynghori â'r comisiynydd o gwbl. Ond, eto, mewn llythyr diweddar iawn, maen nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw yn, felly dŷn ni ddim yn gallu ateb ar ran y comisiynydd, ond, yn amlwg, roedd y Llywodraeth, pan wnaethon nhw gyhoeddi'r rheoliadau a'r memorandwm esboniadol, ddim yn meddwl eu bod nhw wedi ymgynghori, neu ddim yn ymwybodol eu bod nhw wedi ymgynghori â Chomisiynydd y Gymraeg. Felly, dwi ddim yn siŵr faint o bwys y gellid ei roi ar beth mae'r Llywodraeth nawr yn dweud, tra eich bod chi'n craffu, o ran eu bod nhw wedi ymgynghori. Ond, wrth gwrs, dŷn ni ddim yn credu bod y rheoliadau'n ddigonol o bell ffordd, ond, wrth gwrs, buaswn i'n cwestiynu a ydyn nhw actually wedi ymgynghori â'r comisiynydd os nad oedd e'n ddigon pwysig i'w gynnwys yn y memorandwm esboniadol.
English: If I could just add to that, I don't think one can argue that it's not possible to improve these regulations in a practical way where there wouldn't be much cost involved. There are clear ways of improving these for the benefit of users of the Welsh language that are entirely practical. And the reality is there hasn't been sufficient scrutiny or consultation on these regulations to find those opportunities. Heledd referred to the sixth duty, which is to encourage the recording of information. Are we truly saying that we can't say that people should be recording this information? In 2014, Mark Drakeford said that GPs could record language of choice. If they can do it, then surely we could say that they should do it, not encourage them to do it. There is a major question as to the value of encouragement in the context of regulations. Is it enforceable to say that you're encouraging someone to do it? What is the value of making that statement?
Welsh: Jest i ategu at hynny, dwi ddim yn meddwl bod yna fodd dadlau nad oes modd gwella'r rheoliadau hyn mewn ffordd hollol ymarferol sydd ddim yn golygu fawr o gost. Mae yna'n amlwg le i allu gwella hynny er lles defnyddwyr y Gymraeg sydd yn hollol ymarferol. A'r realiti yw does dim digon o graffu ar y rheoliadau wedi digwydd neu ymgynghori arnyn nhw i ffeindio'r cyfleoedd hynny. Wel, roedd Heledd yn cyfeirio at y chweched ddyletswydd sef annog rhai i gofnodi. A ydyn ni wir yn dweud dŷn ni ddim yn gallu dweud y dylai pobl gofnodi? Hynny yw, yn 2014, roedd Mark Drakeford yn dweud bod meddygon teulu yn gallu cofnodi dewis iaith. Os maen nhw'n gallu ei wneud e, siawns ein bod ni'n gallu dweud eu bod nhw yn ei gofnodi fe a dim eu hannog nhw. Mae yna gwestiwn mawr: beth yw gwerth 'annog' yng nghyd-destun rheoliadau? Ydy e'n orfodadwy i ddweud 'annog rhywun i'w wneud e'? Beth yw gwerth dweud hynny?
English: Just to add to that, so, encouraging people who provide services to establish and record the language preference, that doesn't make any sense at all. That is, for what purpose? Maybe you'd record some people, and not others. There's no sort of system, there's no process, so nobody knows what's happening, nobody knows if a language has been recorded. It has completely no purpose, in reality. But by changing from 'encouraging' to 'should' - it's completely achievable and appropriate to do so. It's unreasonable not to do so, and inappropriate not to ask that question. That's the point, I think.
Welsh: I ychwanegu at hynny, felly, annog y rhai sy'n darparu gwasanaeth i sefydlu a chofnodi'r dewis iaith, dyw hwnna ddim yn gwneud unrhyw synnwyr o gwbl. Hynny yw, i ba bwrpas? Felly, cofnodi rhai pobl, efallai, ac nid rhai pobl. Does dim unrhyw fath o system, does dim unrhyw fath o broses, felly does neb yn gwybod beth sy'n digwydd, does neb yn gwybod os oes iaith wedi ei chofnodi neu beidio. Mae'n hollol ddibwrpas, mewn gwirionedd. Ond o newid e o 'annog' i 'rhaid' - ac mae'n hollol gyraeddadwy a phriodol i wneud hynny. A dweud y gwir, mae'n hollol afresymol i beidio â holi hynny, ac yn amhriodol i beidio â holi hynny. Dyna yw'r pwynt, rwy'n credu.
English: Just quickly on that recording -
Welsh: Jest yn glou iawn ar y cofnodi yna -
English: Yes, we do need to move on.
Welsh: Ie, rŷn ni angen symud ymlaen os yw e'n iawn.
English: Sorry, yes, I know, but in terms of that recording, standards more generally in hospitals do rely on those records, they rely on there being a record of language of choice, so why are we encouraging that rather than requiring it? To be fair, it doesn't ask much to actually require the recording of that information, rather than encouraging it. We're not asking for much there.
Welsh: Sori, ie, rwy'n gwybod, ond o ran y cofnodi yna, mae safonau yn fwy cyffredinol mewn ysbytai yn dibynnu ar y cofnod yna, maen nhw'n dibynnu ar fod yna gofnod o ddewis iaith, so pam ydyn ni jest yn annog hynny yn lle actually gofyn iddyn nhw gofnodi? I fod yn deg, dyw e ddim yn gofyn lot i actually gofnodi yn lle annog rhywun i gofnodi. Dŷn ni ddim yn gofyn am lot fawr fanna.
English: Just one further point there that it could be counter-productive not to do this, because staff will say, with that first point, 'We have to record the staff's language, but that doesn't do anything. That's silly, isn't it?' That's what I would say if I was in that job, because there's no purpose to it and it doesn't do anything, it doesn't lead to any change of any value at the end of the day.
Welsh: Jest un pwynt arall am hynny yw y gallai fe fod yn wrthgynhyrchiol i beidio â gwneud hyn, achos byddai staff yn mynd, 'Rŷm ni'n gorfod cofnodi' - hynny yw, gyda'r pwynt cyntaf - 'iaith staff ond dyw e ddim yn gwneud dim byd. Mae hwnna'n sili, on'd yw e?' Achos dyna beth fuaswn i'n ei ddweud taswn i yn y job yna, achos bod dim pwrpas iddo fe a'i fod e ddim yn gwneud dim byd, ddim yn arwain at unrhyw newid o werth ar ddiwedd y dydd.
English: Just to add, and to agree with what Colin said. I mentioned at the outset what I'm also concerned with is that in our general dealings with the Labour Party in relation to standards, I am very concerned that they listen far too much to organisations and big companies rather than the people of Wales. As I mentioned, something has happened here between the commissioner's report, the Government's response to it, which was very supportive to being proactive - and these regulations are not proactive in any sense - and these regulations. So, what's happened? And what's happened is, as it says in the EM, they've met the representative bodies. That concerns me greatly in terms of the path chosen by Government in general terms, and that's our experience over the past three years in our dealings with the Government.
Welsh: Jest i ategu, wel, cytuno â beth ddywedodd Colin. Fe wnes i sôn ar y dechrau hefyd, am wn i, beth rŷm ni'n poeni amdano hefyd, yn ein hymwneud ni yn gyffredinol â'r Blaid Lafur yn ymwneud â'r safonau, rwy'n poeni'n fawr fod yna lot gormod o wrando ar gyrff a busnesau mawr ar draul pobl Cymru. Ac mae'n amlwg, fel gwnes i sôn, fod yna rywbeth wedi digwydd fan hyn rhwng adroddiad y comisiynydd, ymateb y Llywodraeth, a oedd yn gefnogol iawn i weithio'n rhagweithiol - a dydy'r rheoliadau hyn ddim yn rhagweithiol o gwbl - a'r rheoliadau hyn. Beth sydd wedi digwydd? A beth sydd wedi digwydd yw, wel, mae'n dweud yn y memorandwm eu bod nhw wedi cyfarfod â chyrff. Mae hwnna'n fy mhoeni i'n fawr o ran y trywydd mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei gymryd yn gyffredinol, a dyna yw ein profiad ni yn gyffredinol dros y tair blynedd diwethaf o'n hymwneud â'r Llywodraeth.
English: I do think that that is fair. We are concerned in general that when drawing up these standards a lot more emphasis is put on the views of bodies rather than users. But in this case it's extremely bad, because I notice that Eluned Morgan has written to the committee promising more time the next time this happens. That hasn't happened; conversely, we've lost a week because of half term. It's not a way of treating people, I don't think.
Welsh: Dwi yn meddwl bod hwnnw yn bwynt teg. Dŷn ni yn poeni'n gyffredinol wrth lunio'r safonau yma bod llawer mwy o bwys yn cael ei roi i farn cyrff na defnyddwyr. Ond dwi'n meddwl yn yr achos yma, mae'n eithriadol o wael, oherwydd dwi'n sylwi bod Eluned Morgan wedi ysgrifennu at y pwyllgor yn addo mwy o amser y tro nesaf mae hyn yn digwydd. Wel, dyw hynny ddim wedi digwydd; i'r gwrthwyneb, rydym wedi colli wythnos dros yr hanner tymor. Dyw e ddim yn ffordd i ymdrin â phobl, dwi ddim yn meddwl.
English: Well, that is the aim.
Welsh: Dyna yw'r nod.
English: I think that 7 and 8 are an effort to make the best of the situation we're in, because we wouldn't have wanted to see primary care being exempted from standards in general. So, we're trying to be practical in terms of how the regulations before us can be improved. I don't think we claim that that is where we would wish to be, but, clearly, there are two weak areas in these regulations, namely the face-to-face service in a reception, for example, and also the clinical consultation. And this is an attempt to include some sort of duty that's going to relate to that, as Heledd said, to avoid a situation where there are five physios speaking Welsh and one that doesn't, and then the Welsh speaker is referred to the one that doesn't speak Welsh. So, facilitating that is going to make a difference. The other thing that we've asked to be included, which isn't there, is a means of including the Welsh Language Commissioner as a monitoring system or enforcer of the duties that are here, because there is a big question, of course, relating to, yes, there are regulations, but how does one access those rights.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl bod 7 ac 8 yn ymdrech i wneud y gorau o'r sefyllfa rŷn ni ynddi, achos fydden ni ddim wedi eisiau gweld gofal sylfaenol yn cael ei eithrio o'r safonau yn gyffredinol. So, ni'n ceisio bod yn ymarferol o ran sut gellid gwella'r rheolau sydd o'n blaenau ni. Dwi ddim yn meddwl ein bod ni'n honni taw dyna le byddem ni'n dymuno bod, ond mae yna'n amlwg ddau fan gwan mawr yn y rheoliadau hyn, sef gwasanaeth wyneb yn wyneb mewn derbynfa ac yn y blaen, ond hefyd yr ymgynghoriad clinigol wrth ymwneud. Ac mae hyn yn ymdrech i gynnwys rywfaint o ddyletswydd sydd yn mynd i ymwneud â hynny, fel roedd Heledd yn dweud, wrth osgoi sefyllfa lle mae yna bump ffisio sy'n siarad Cymraeg ac un sydd ddim, ac wedyn mae'r Cymro Cymraeg yn cael ei gyfeirio at yr un sydd ddim. So, mae hwyluso hynny yn mynd i wneud gwahaniaeth. Y peth arall rŷn ni wedi gofyn i'w gynnwys sydd ddim yno ydy ffordd o gynnwys Comisiynydd y Gymraeg fel rhyw fath o system o fonitro neu orfodi'r dyletswyddau sydd yma, achos mae yna gwestiwn mawr, wrth gwrs, ynglŷn ag, ie, mae yna reoliadau yn bodoli, ond sut mae rhywun yn cael gafael ar yr hawliau.
English: If I could just add quickly, in adding what we suggest in points 1 and 6 - a process of recording the language of choice and co-ordinating that - that, in a way, would ensure that 7 and 8 also happen. That's where the facilitation would take place.
Welsh: Allaf i jest ychwanegu yn glou, o ychwanegu beth dŷn ni'n ei awgrymu ym mhwynt 1 a 6 - hynny yw, proses o gofnodi iaith a chydlynu hynny - mi fyddai hynny, mewn ffordd, yn sicrhau bod 7 a 8 yn digwydd. Dyna ble fyddai'r hwyluso yn digwydd.316
English: I'm not sure whether I'm qualified to answer that question. But, what I would say is that these were the professions that were listed in the previous health standards. Therefore, that's what our expectation was. Other people are perhaps more qualified to answer whether it relates to the whole workforce, I think.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn siŵr a ydw i'n gymwys i ateb y cwestiwn yna, i fod yn onest. Ond, beth fyddwn i'n dweud yw dyma oedd y proffesiynau a oedd wedi cael eu rhestru yn y safonau iechyd blaenorol. Felly, dyna oedd ein disgwyliad ni. Fe fyddai pobl eraill yn fwy cymwys efallai i ymateb i a ydy hynny'n ymwneud â'r holl weithlu yn iawn, dwi'n meddwl.
English: The optometrists told us that they don't even have a contract at the moment. So, we need to look at that, because they're saying, 'We have to do things bilingually, but we don't even have that relationship with the health board to place that requirement on us.' So, that's something that we'll need to look at from a legal perspective, and that's just for information. Rhianon Passmore.
Welsh: Roedd yr 'optomegwyr' - beth bynnag yw'r gair, sori - yn dweud nad ydyn nhw hyd yn oed wedi cael contract ar hyn o bryd. Felly, mae angen i ni edrych ar hynny, achos maen nhw'n dweud, 'Ry'n ni'n gorfod gwneud pethau'n ddwyieithog, ond does dim byd hyd yn oed yn bodoli gyda ni a'r bwrdd iechyd i roi gofyniad arnom ni.' Felly, mae hwnna'n rhywbeth dŷn ni'n mynd i edrych arno'n gyfreithiol, jest er gwybodaeth. Rhianon Passmore.
English: Are you talking about leaflets specifically? Are you talking about who is responsible for the pamphlet?
Welsh: Ydych chi'n sôn am daflenni yn benodol? Sori. Ydych chi'n sôn am pwy sy'n gyfrifol am y daflen neu - ?
English: I think, in our suggestions for the regulations, we talk about people's rights to have information through the medium of Welsh. So, with other bodies, it's the body itself that is responsible. But of course, there is a means, in the other standards -
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, yn ein hawgrymiadau ni ar gyfer y rheoliadau, ry'n ni'n sôn fod yna hawl gan rywun i gael deunydd yn Gymraeg. Felly, gyda chyrff eraill, y corff ei hunan sy'n gyfrifol. Ond, wrth gwrs, mae modd gosod, yn y safonau eraill -
English: So, optometrists aren't captured under the health boards. Is that what you mean? They're private practices. Is that what we're talking about here?
Welsh: Felly, dyw optometryddion ddim yn dod o dan y bwrdd iechyd, chi'n meddwl, ie? Maen nhw'n breifat. Ai dyna beth yw'r cwestiwn?