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English: In terms of the standards of the Measure, they have made it easier for people to make complaints, because you complain directly to the commissioner under the standards. That's much easier for users, whereas with the language board you had to get in touch with the body that hadn't provided the service, or whatever. So, from the point of view of the user, it does favour the user much more. There is a way to go to improve on that, but it certainly is a step forward. In terms of the standards, again, these could be extended. The commissioner has already put forward a research report to the Government - many have been done: with regard to housing associations in October 2015; water; postal services at the end of 2015; buses, trains and railways at the end of 2016; gas and electricity in 2017; and yet there's been no progress. The Government hasn't done anything about these, even though Assembly Members had agreed a motion at the end of October last year to extends the standards to the remainder of the private sector. So, that is a further step again that we need to take, and we haven't reached the limits of what we can do in terms of the Measure that we already have.
Welsh: O ran safonau'r Mesur, maen nhw wedi ei gwneud yn haws i bobl gwyno, achos rŷch chi'n cwyno yn syth at y comisiynydd o dan y safonau. Mae hynny'n lot haws i ddefnyddwyr, ble gyda bwrdd yr iaith roedd gofyn ichi gysylltu gyda'r corff a oedd ddim wedi darparu gwasanaeth neu beth bynnag. So, o safbwynt defnyddiwr, mae fe'n ffafrio'r defnyddwyr tipyn mwy. Hynny yw, mae lle i fynd a gellid gwella ar hynny, ond mae fe'n bendant yn gam ymlaen. O ran y safonau hefyd, eto, gellid ymestyn y rheini. Mae'r comisiynydd wedi cyflwyno adroddiad ymchwil i'r Llywodraeth - mae yna sawl un wedi cael ei wneud: un ar gymdeithasau tai wedi ei gyflwyno i'r Llywodraeth ym mis Hydref 2015; dŵr; post - diwedd 2015; bysiau, trenau a rheilffyrdd - diwedd 2016; nwy a thrydan - 2017; ond eto, nid oes dim cynnydd. Nid yw'r Llywodraeth wedi gwneud unrhyw beth amdanyn nhw, er bod Aelodau Cynulliad wedi pasio cynnig diwedd Hydref llynedd i alw ar y Llywodraeth i ymestyn y safonau i weddill y sector preifat. Felly, mae hynny hyd yn oed yn gam yn bellach byth, ac rŷm ni heb gyrraedd eithaf beth rŷm ni'n gallu ei wneud o ran y Mesur sydd gyda ni.
English: May I answer that question, please? As regards what's happened in the standards and how successful they have been, I think they've gone after the visible high-level element, but they are very deficient as regards extending the use of the Welsh language behind the reception desk in an organisation. There is provision for the public. If you are determined to speak Welsh, very few people dare and have the confidence to do that. But there is no attention given to the language of the workplace. If you go to the Basque Country, every public official has to be able to speak Basque. In south Tyrol, all the public services have to have a number of speakers of the various languages that they have. If 20 per cent speak German in that area, then 20 per cent of the police officers and the public services have to speak the language. I don't believe that the standards that we have come close to that, or mention that kind of action. So, it's necessary to differentiate between the visible use, or what you offer someone who wants to have rights - all well and good, but you're not beginning to tackle the daily lives of ordinary people. We've heard about the complaints. I'm afraid that what has occurred under the standards has put the emphasis on lodging complaints. In my view, that whole emphasis is completely negative. You're making people believe that they're being done down, and therefore they need to complain. All well and good, but there are examples like this: a friend of mine in Swansea -
Welsh: A gaf i ateb y cwestiwn, os gwelwch yn dda? O ran yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd yn y safonau a pha mor llwyddiannus ydynt, rydw i yn meddwl eu bod nhw wedi mynd ar ôl y defnydd lefel uchel gweladwy, ond maen nhw'n ddiffygiol iawn o ran estyn y defnydd o'r Gymraeg y tu ôl i'r ddesg yn y gwaith. Mae yna ddarpariaeth i'r cyhoedd. Os ydych chi yn benderfynol o fod eisiau siarad Cymraeg, lleiafrif bach sydd yn mentro ac sydd â'r hyder i wneud hynny. Ond nid oes sylw yn cael ei roi i iaith y gweithle. Os ydych chi'n mynd i rai gwledydd eraill, fel Gwlad y Basgiaid, mae'n rhaid i bob swyddog cyhoeddus fod yn siarad Basgeg. Mae'n rhaid yn ne Tyrol i'r gwasanaeth cyhoeddus fod â nifer o siaradwyr y gwahanol ieithoedd sydd gyda nhw. Hynny yw, os oes yna 20 y cant yn siarad Almaeneg mewn un ardal, mae'n rhaid i 20 y cant o'r plismyn a'r gwasanaethau cyhoeddus siarad yr iaith. Nid wyf yn credu bod y safonau sydd gyda ni yn dod yn agos, neu ddim yn sôn am y math yna o weithredu. Felly, mae'n rhaid gwahaniaethu rhwng y defnydd gweladwy, neu'r hyn rydych yn ei gynnig i rywun sydd am gael hawliau - popeth yn dda, ond nid ydych chi'n dechrau taclo prif fywyd pobl gyffredin. Rydym wedi clywed am y cwyno. Rwy'n ofni bod yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd o dan y safonau wedi rhoi'r pwyslais ar gwyno. Yn fy marn i, mae'r holl bwyslais yna yn un cwbl negyddol. Rydych yn gwneud i bobl feddwl eu bod nhw'n cael cam a bod rhaid cwyno. Wedyn, wel, popeth yn dda, ond mae enghreifftiau fel hyn yn digwydd. Roedd un cyfaill i mi yn Abertawe -
English: I'm sorry to interrupt, but we will be coming to discuss standards. As I said at the beginning, there are different themes, so we will be getting questions on the complexities or not of this later on. So, if we can move on to the promotion of the Welsh language, Rhianon will come in now.
Welsh: Sori i dorri ar draws, ond rŷm ni yn dod ymlaen at safonau. Fel y gwnes i ddweud ar y dechrau, mae themâu gwahanol, felly fe fyddwn ni yn cael y cwestiynau yma ynglŷn â chymhlethdod neu ddim. So, os ydym yn gallu symud ymlaen at hybu'r iaith, bydd Rhianon yn dod mewn nawr.
English: Yes. I would say that there is nothing to prevent the commissioner from promoting the Welsh language. There's nothing to prevent the Government from promoting the Welsh language at the present time. When the language board came to an end, it carried out two main functions, namely regulating the Welsh language and promoting the Welsh language. The board was divided in two. The regulatory work and the staff and the resources for that, around a third of the resources, went to the commissioner, and the remainder all went into the Government. And, so, whilst there's nothing to prevent the commissioner from promoting the use of the Welsh language, I think it was clear from the decision made by the One Wales Government that the expectation was that the Government would promote the Welsh language, and that's where the resources have gone to do that. And, so, from our point of view, accepting that the system of the Measure and the standards regime aren't perfect, it appears from that split that the work on regulating the Welsh language has seen a great deal of improvement, and where the weakness is is in terms of the promotional work, which is the work that's meant to happen within the Welsh Government. That's what our main point would be on this.
Welsh: Ie. Buaswn i'n dweud nad oes yna ddim byd i atal y comisiynydd rhag hybu'r Gymraeg. Nid oes yna ddim byd i atal y Llywodraeth rhag hybu'r Gymraeg ar hyn o bryd. Pan ddaeth bwrdd yr iaith i ben, roedd e'n gwneud dau brif ddyletswydd, sef rheoleiddio'r Gymraeg a hybu'r Gymraeg. Cafodd bwrdd yr iaith ei rannu'n ddwy. Aeth y gwaith rheoleiddio a'r staff rheoleiddio a'r adnoddau, tua thraean o'r adnoddau, i'r comisiynydd, ac aeth y gweddill i gyd i mewn i'r Llywodraeth. Felly, tra bod dim byd i atal y comisiynydd rhag hybu'r Gymraeg, rwy'n meddwl yr oedd e'n eglur o'r penderfyniad gwleidyddol a gafodd ei wneud gan Lywodraeth Cymru'n Un mai'r disgwyl oedd y byddai'r Llywodraeth yn hybu'r Gymraeg, a dyna le mae'r adnoddau wedi mynd i wneud hynny. Ac, felly, o'n safbwynt ni - a derbyn, wrth gwrs, nad yw system y Mesur a'r safonau yn berffaith - mae'n edrych fel, wrth i'r split yna ddigwydd, bod y gwaith ar reoleiddio'r Gymraeg wedi gweld gwelliant sylweddol, a lle mae yna wendid yw'r gwaith hybu, sef y gwaith sydd i fod i ddigwydd o fewn Llywodraeth Cymru. Dyna fyddai'n prif bwynt ni am hynny.
English: And I think that Osian referred earlier to the creation of a new body. We have been calling for over 10 years for a new body that would be primarily responsible for promoting the Welsh language, and it would be possible to create a body to do that work without having legislation. We understand that resources are scarce, money is scarce. Ideally, it would be an additional, separate entity, but failing that, we would see the need to upgrade the Welsh language unit within Government because it doesn't have very much status at present, and its funding is extremely small. And, so, at the very least, that unit could be upgraded in order to do the promotion work.
Welsh: Ac rwy'n meddwl y gwnaeth Osian gyfeirio'n gynharach at greu corff newydd. Rydym ni wedi galw ers dros 10 mlynedd am gorff newydd sy'n gyfrifol yn benodol am hybu'r Gymraeg, a byddai modd creu corff a fyddai'n gwneud y gwaith yma heb unrhyw Ddeddf. Rydym ni'n deall, wrth gwrs, fod adnoddau'n brin, arian yn brin. So, yn ddelfrydol, byddai rhywbeth ychwanegol ar wahân. Dyna fyddai'n ddelfrydol. Ond, yn methu hynny, byddem ni'n gweld angen uwchraddio uned y Gymraeg o fewn y Llywodraeth, achos nid oes llawer o statws gyda'r adran yna ar hyn o bryd, ac mae'r cyllid yn fach iawn, iawn. Felly, yn y fan lleiaf, gellid uwchraddio'r uned yna er mwyn gwneud y gwaith hybu.
English: I would agree that we need a body to promote, which is external of Government. We feel very strongly that regulation should be left as it is for the time being and that we do need a body. In terms of funding, in 2011-12, the Welsh Language Board spent £4.4 million on costs of maintaining the organisation alone. The total budget of the commissioner by now is £3 million. So, there have been continuous cuts. I would argue even that that gap of £1.4 million could be used initially for the cost of running a promotional body. Of course, these are difficult times financially. The Welsh Government has announced its ambition to have a million Welsh speakers by 2050, and we are entirely supportive of that aim. Indeed, we started the campaign for a million Welsh speakers, so we are very pleased that the Welsh Government has faced that challenge and has made that commitment. But, in order to achieve it, there is a need for significant activity and investment, and we won't reach that target until we have a Government that is willing to provide the investment and the strategy for that to happen. There is a feeling, I think, that the promotional work needs to step up a gear significantly, and our choice would be to have an external body to promote the Welsh language.
Welsh: Byddwn i'n cytuno bod angen corff i hybu y tu allan i'r Llywodraeth. Rydym ni'n teimlo'n gryf iawn y dylai rheoleiddio gael ei adael fel y mae e am y tro a bod angen corff. O ran cyllid, yn 2011-12, roedd bwrdd yr iaith yn gwario £4.4 miliwn ar gostau cynnal y sefydliad yn unig. Cyfanswm cyllideb y comisiynydd erbyn hyn yw £3 miliwn. Felly, mae yna dorri parhaus wedi bod. Byddwn i'n dadlau bod hyd yn oed y bwlch yna o £1.4 miliwn - gellid defnyddio hwnnw yn y man cyntaf ar gyfer costau rhedeg y sefydliad hybu. Wrth gwrs, mae'n amser anodd yn ariannol. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi cyhoeddi uchelgais i gael miliwn o siaradwyr Cymraeg erbyn 2050. Rydym ni'n llwyr gefnogol i'r amcan yna. Yn wir, ni a gychwynnodd yr ymgyrch dros gael miliwn o siaradwyr Cymraeg, ac rydym yn falch iawn bod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ateb yr her ac wedi gwneud yr ymrwymiad yna. Ond, er mwyn cyflawni'r ymrwymiad yna, mae yna ofyn am weithredu sylweddol a buddsoddi, ac nid ydym yn mynd i gyrraedd y targed hwnnw tan fod gennym ni Lywodraeth sydd yn barod i roi'r arian a'r strategaeth i mewn er mwyn sicrhau bod hynny'n digwydd. Mae yna deimlad, rydw i'n meddwl, bod y gwaith hybu angen newid gêr yn sylweddol, ac rydw i'n meddwl mai ein dewis ni a fyddai cael corff y tu allan i'r Llywodraeth ar gyfer hybu'r Gymraeg.
English: Fine? We'll move on. We have already touched on the standards, but we'll move on to David Melding's question.
Welsh: Iawn? Symudwn ymlaen. Rydym ni wedi cyffwrdd â'r safonau ychydig bach, ond symudwn ymlaen at y system honno'n fwy penodol. David Melding.
English: I have an open mind about whether a regulator should be a separate entity or not. I think that, in some areas, the regulator is also located within the same body as the facilitator and promoter. There are advantages to that, in terms of the fact that the regulator knows, then, from the promoters where the needs are, and it might also lead to facilitated processes of regulation. I had a colleague in Swansea who'd complained to Swansea Council that he'd received an e-mail response in English-only from a council worker. He complained to the commissioner, and within eight months, he received confirmation from the commissioner that the council employee had been at fault. But, internally, the worker had been on a train, was not a Welsh speaker and was working extra hours, and had answered in English, and the colleague received an apology within two days. So, we have to identify the instances where we need a regulator to respond fully and where to have a lighter touch. So, there are advantages if there were much greater collaboration between the regulator and the promoter, and the regulator and the Government. And I think that's what's been missing over the past few years. But whether the bodies should be separate, well, we would have to go to the model that works best.
Welsh: Mae gen i feddwl agored am a ddylai rheoleiddio fod ar wahân neu beidio. Rydw i'n credu, mewn rhai meysydd, fod y rheoleiddiwr hefyd mewn sefydliad sydd yn hyrwyddo. Mae yna fanteision i hynny, yn yr ystyr bod y rheoleiddiwr yn cael gwybod, mewn ffordd, gan yr hyrwyddwyr ble mae'r anghenion. Byddai fe efallai hefyd yn arwain at brosesau mwy hwylus o reoleiddio. Ac enghraifft roeddwn i am sôn amdani hi gynnau fach oedd cyfaill i fi yn Abertawe a oedd wedi cwyno wrth Gyngor Abertawe ei fod e wedi derbyn ateb e-bost yn Saesneg oddi wrth weithiwr cyngor. Cwynodd e at y comisiynydd, ac ymhen wyth mis, fe gafodd e gadarnhad gan y comisiynydd fod y gweithiwr yma wedi bod ar fai. Ond, yn fewnol, yr hyn ddigwyddodd, wrth gwrs, oedd bod y gweithiwr ar y trên, di-Gymraeg ac yn gweithio dros amser, wedi ateb yn Saesneg, ac fe gafodd y cyfaill ymddiheuriad gan y cyngor o fewn deuddydd. Felly, mae'n rhaid gwybod ble mae'r achosion lle mae angen rheoleiddio manwl, a lle mae angen ichi, iawn, fod â llaw ysgafn a gwybod i gael gair yng nghlust yn hytrach na rheoleiddio manwl. Felly, mae yna fanteision yn gallu digwydd pe bai yna lawer mwy o gydweithio, o leiaf, rhwng y rheoleiddiwr a'r hyrwyddwyr, a'r rheoleiddiwr a'r Llywodraeth. Ac rydw i'n credu bod hynny wedi bod ar goll yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf. Ond a ddylai fod ar wahân neu beidio, wel, mae'n rhaid mynd am y model fyddai'n gweithio orau.
English: May I just add also, referring back to the language board, it was difficult to combine both elements, as regards being a regulator and setting language schemes, as they were at the time, or putting regulations in place whilst also, at the same time, trying to encourage that organisation to be proactive and offer Welsh language services. It's very difficult to say that there is enforcement on the one side and encouragement on the other side, and say, 'Right, you have to do this', but also encourage, and people refer to the carrot and the stick - . Well, you can't use both simultaneously; you have to choose one or the other.
Welsh: Fe wnaf i jest ychwanegu hefyd, o gyfeirio yn ôl at fwrdd yr iaith, roedd yn anodd, rwy'n meddwl, i gyfuno'r ddau, o ran bod yn rheoleiddiwr a gosod cynllun iaith fel yr oedd e ar y pryd, neu osod rheoliadau mewn lle tra hefyd yn annog y cwmni yna i fod yn rhagweithiol a chynnig gwasanaethau Cymraeg. Roedd yn anodd iawn gwneud y ddau a dweud, 'Reit, mae'n rhaid ichi wneud hyn', ond eto annog, fel mae pobl yn cyfeirio at - beth yw e - y carrot and the stick - . Rŷch chi'n methu defnyddio'r ddau; mae bron rhaid dewis un neu'r llall.
English: Well, as Bethan mentioned earlier, I think that we would be open to that, if there is no possibility of creating a promotional body. We think that, ideally, a promotional body is needed, an external body. As Heini said, you could do that within Government as well. I think it's very important that there is a powerful and empowered department within Government, because it is in the Government that everything happens. We feel that - . You talked about strengthening the commissioner's role. There are things, of course, within the Measure that we would like to improve. One of them is the independence of the commissioner. One of them is to extend the standards to the private sector as a whole. But, I think, from having looked at the Government's White Paper and the Government's plans, I think what the Government has to offer in terms of amending the Measure is so far from what we would wish to see and, indeed, it rolls back from what we have at present, that we don't feel that we are anywhere near persuading the Government to do something sensible with the Measure. And so we feel that it would be best for now to leave the Measure and, yes, to look through methods aside from legislation to ensure that we do have that revival mechanism, which you were talking about. available.
Welsh: Wel, fel soniodd Bethan yn gynharach, rydw i'n meddwl y byddem ni'n agored i hynny, os nad oes yna bosibilrwydd o greu corff hybu. Rydym ni'n meddwl, yn ddelfrydol, fod angen corff hybu allanol. Fel yr oedd Heini'n dweud, fe allwch chi wneud hynny yn y Llywodraeth hefyd. Rydw i'n meddwl ei bod yn bwysig iawn fod yna adran rymus yn y Llywodraeth, achos yn y Llywodraeth y mae popeth arall yn digwydd, fel rŷch chi'n dweud. Rŷm ni'n teimlo - . Roeddech chi'n sôn am gryfhau'r comisiynydd. Mae yna bethau, wrth gwrs, yn y Mesur y byddem ni'n hoffi eu gwella. Un ohonyn nhw yw annibyniaeth y comisiynydd. Un ohonyn nhw yw ymestyn y safonau i'r sector preifat i gyd. Ond, rydw i'n meddwl, o fod wedi edrych ar Bapur Gwyn y Llywodraeth a'r cynlluniau sydd gan y Llywodraeth, mae'r hyn sydd gan y Llywodraeth i'w gynnig ar hyn o bryd o ran diwygio'r Mesur mor bell o beth y byddem ni'n dymuno ei weld ac, yn wir, yn camu yn ôl o'r hyn sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd, rydym ni'n teimlo - nid ydym ni'n teimlo ein bod ni'n agos at allu perswadio'r Llywodraeth i ddweud rhywbeth synhwyrol gyda'r Mesur. Ac felly, rydym ni'n teimlo ei bod yn well am y tro adael y Mesur ac, ie, edrych, drwy ffyrdd heblaw deddfu, ar ffyrdd o sicrhau bod gennym ni'r peiriant adfywio yna yr oeddech chi'n sôn amdano fe.
English: May I propose one thing? I've heard this idea from a number of directions, which is that it wouldn't be a bad thing if the regulator was appointed by the Assembly and was accountable to the Assembly rather than to the Government and would therefore be more independent of Government. But as regards the external body, because, I believe, the external body should have statutory powers, as regards being a statutory consultee and also having legal responsibilities, then I believe that you would need legislation to do that. And then you could include, then, with that the huge need for having a proper legislative place for education, too.
Welsh: A gaf i gynnig un peth? Rydw i wedi clywed y syniad yma yn dod o ambell gyfeiriad, sef na fyddai'n beth ffôl pe bai'r rheoleiddiwr yn cael ei benodi gan y Cynulliad ac yn atebol i'r Cynulliad yn hytrach nag i'r Llywodraeth, ac felly yn fwy annibynnol ar y Llywodraeth. Ond o ran y corff allanol, oherwydd, rydw i'n credu, fod angen i'r corff allanol gael pwerau statudol, o ran bod yn ymgynghorai statudol ac o ran cael cyfrifoldebau cyfreithiol, rydw i'n credu bod angen deddfu am hynny. Ac mi ellid dod i mewn wedyn, gyda hynny, â'r angen enfawr am gael lle iawn i addysg ym maes deddfu hefyd.
English: If you enter the world of social linguistics, you're then talking about the creation of standards in areas where the Welsh language can be used orally within communities. You'd then be forced, almost, to bring the private sector in, but it could be to do more with shops having Welsh speakers available rather than just having signs, that public organisations should use the Welsh language orally, and that the general scope would be going for situations that appertain to people's everyday lives. The feeling I have at the moment is that standards are imposed in those areas that people don't really like being involved with - such as contacting the council and paying bills. Standards at the moment appertain to about only 5 per cent of an individual's life. Every individual has maybe six or seven different circles within their lives - work, education, leisure et cetera. The standards at the moment are more to do with the official side, while the other areas are open. So, there is a need to enter more into every walk of an individual's life. Swimming lessons are mentioned often, which is correct, but we need to go after the leisure areas and areas that people enjoy, and that they should be made more Welsh, if you like.
Welsh: Os ŷch chi'n mynd i'r maes cymdeithasol, rŷch chi'n sôn wedyn am greu safonau am ofodau lle mae'r Gymraeg yn gallu cael ei defnyddio ar lafar mewn cymunedau. Mi allai hynny - byddech chi bron yn rhwym i ddod i mewn â'r sector preifat i hynny, ond mi allai ymwneud fwy â bod gan siopau, er enghraifft, bobl sydd yn siarad y Gymraeg yn hytrach na bod arwyddion i'w gweld, bod sefydliadau sydd yn gweithredu yn defnyddio'r Gymraeg ar lafar, a bod sgôp y meddwl cyffredinol yn mynd am sefyllfaoedd sydd yn ymwneud â'r rhan fwyaf o fywyd pobl. Y teimlad sydd gen i ar hyn o bryd yw bod y safonau'n ymwneud â meysydd nad yw pobl eisiau ymwneud â nhw. Mae cysylltu â'r cyngor yn beth anodd, talu biliau yn beth anodd. Efallai fod y safonau yn gyffredinol ar hyn o bryd yn ymwneud â rhyw 5 y cant o fywyd unigolyn. Mae gan bob unigolyn efallai saith neu wyth o gylchoedd bywyd - gwaith, addysg, hamdden ac yn y blaen. Mae'r safonau ar hyn o bryd ar y cyfan yn ymwneud â chylchoedd bach iawn, tra bo gweddill y meysydd yn agored. Felly, mae eisiau mynd i weddill y meysydd ym mywyd unigolion. Mae llawer o sôn wedi bod am wersi nofio, popeth yn iawn, ond mae eisiau mynd ar ôl y meysydd hamdden a'r meysydd lle mae pobl yn mwynhau a bod y rheini yn cael eu Cymreigio.