English: I think this is an important debate to ensure that people realise in the farming community that we are listening to them, but I think there has been some exaggeration of what the problem is as far as what we're asking of farmers. We're asking farmers not to pollute the land and not to pollute the rivers, and that is a perfectly rational and civilised ask. We can't go on having nearly 3,000 substantiated agriculture-related pollution incidents over the last 20 years. We've had more than three each week in the last three years. There's been loads of discussion going on between the Minister and representatives of farmers over the last five years, and the farming community has simply not come up with the solution that we need to see. We can't have zones where we have regulation and zones where there is no regulation. You wouldn't expect to see that when it came to a butcher's shop or a hospital - 'We'll have a bit of regulation here but not there.' It seems to me that of course we need to listen to our farmers, but I just think that they have been made overanxious, and doing nothing is simply not an option. Lord Deben, who chairs the Climate Change Committee, is coming to talk to the climate change committee here tomorrow, and he would be pretty shocked if we weren't doing all we needed to do to reduce our emissions. This is one of the ways in which we can do it. Money is available to help small farmers put in suitable places for storing the muck that they need to store. There's always been this phrase that there's money in muck, and I do not understand why it is not possible to make it into a marketable commodity in order to enrich the land and make it easier and better to grow crops on. This seems to me a really significant issue, and I think that the overspecialisation of farming with these mega dairy farms is really going to be a major source of the problem here. We need to ensure that the circular economy applies to farming, just as much as to plastic bottles. So, I really do hope that we can find some resolution of the fine detail of this problem, but probably not in a 30-minute debate. We need to be looking at this in the climate change committee to see if there's anything here we can do to ensure that small farmers are not going to be put out of business by being compliant with the existing regulations, never mind anything that the Minister thinks we need to do to improve on them. We have to remember that this is all being done in the context of being warned that one third of all the fish and freshwater invertebrates in our fresh waters are due to be exterminated in the not-too-distant future, and, therefore, we have to act now to protect our environment, protect nature and ensure that we have sustainable farming that does not undermine other aspects of our economy.
Welsh: Credaf fod hon yn ddadl bwysig i sicrhau bod pobl yn sylweddoli yn y gymuned ffermio ein bod yn gwrando arnynt, ond credaf fod rhywfaint o orliwio wedi bod ynglŷn â beth yw'r broblem o ran yr hyn rydym yn ei ofyn gan ffermwyr. Rydym yn gofyn i ffermwyr beidio â llygru'r tir a pheidio â llygru'r afonydd, ac mae hwnnw'n ofyniad hollol resymegol a gwareiddiedig. Ni allwn barhau i gael bron i 3,000 o ddigwyddiadau llygredd yn gysylltiedig ag amaethyddiaeth fel sydd wedi digwydd dros yr 20 mlynedd diwethaf. Rydym wedi cael mwy na thri digwyddiad bob wythnos yn ystod y tair blynedd diwethaf. Mae llawer iawn o drafod wedi bod rhwng y Gweinidog a chynrychiolwyr ffermwyr dros y pum mlynedd ddiwethaf, ac yn syml iawn nid yw'r gymuned ffermio wedi cynnig yr ateb y mae angen inni ei weld. Ni allwn gael parthau lle mae gennym reoliadau a pharthau heb reoliadau. Ni fyddech yn disgwyl gweld hynny mewn siop cigydd neu ysbyty - 'Fe gawn ychydig o reoleiddio yma ond nid yno.' Mae'n ymddangos i mi fod angen inni wrando ar ein ffermwyr wrth gwrs, ond credaf eu bod wedi cael eu gwneud yn or-bryderus, ac nid yw gwneud dim yn opsiwn. Mae'r Arglwydd Deben, sy'n cadeirio'r Pwyllgor ar Newid Hinsawdd, yn dod i siarad â'r pwyllgor newid hinsawdd yma yfory, a byddai'n cael syndod mawr pe na baem yn gwneud popeth sydd angen inni ei wneud i leihau ein hallyriadau. Dyma un o'r ffyrdd y gallwn ei wneud. Mae arian ar gael i helpu ffermwyr bach i osod lleoedd addas ar gyfer storio'r tail y mae angen iddynt ei storio. Ceir ymadrodd fod yna bob amser arian i'w wneud o faw, ac nid wyf yn deall pam nad yw'n bosibl ei wneud yn nwydd y gellir ei farchnata er mwyn cyfoethogi'r tir a'i wneud yn well ac yn haws tyfu cnydau arno. Mae hwn i'w weld yn fater pwysig iawn i mi, a chredaf y bydd gor-arbenigedd mewn ffermio gyda'r ffermydd llaeth enfawr hyn yn ffynhonnell bwysig i'r broblem yma. Mae angen inni sicrhau bod yr economi gylchol yr un mor berthnasol i ffermio ag i boteli plastig. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio'n fawr y gallwn ddod o hyd i ateb i fanylion y broblem hon, ond mae'n debyg na ellir gwneud hynny mewn dadl 30 munud. Mae angen inni edrych ar hyn yn y pwyllgor newid hinsawdd i weld a oes unrhyw beth y gallwn ei wneud i sicrhau na fydd ffermwyr bach yn methu o ganlyniad i gydymffurfio â'r rheoliadau presennol, heb sôn am unrhyw beth y cred y Gweinidog fod angen inni ei wneud i'w gwella. Rhaid inni gofio bod hyn i gyd yn cael ei wneud yng nghyd-destun cael rhybudd fod traean o'r holl bysgod ac infertebratau dŵr croyw yn ein dyfroedd ffres yn mynd i gael eu difa yn y dyfodol heb fod yn rhy bell, ac felly, rhaid inni weithredu yn awr i ddiogelu ein hamgylchedd, diogelu natur a sicrhau bod gennym ffermio cynaliadwy nad yw'n tanseilio agweddau eraill ar ein heconomi.