English: I think that we've been at a standstill with these shops, even though there has been development. If you go to the Co-op, their signs are in Welsh alone in some stores. In Lidl, you will have Welsh cheese. There's all sorts of Welsh produce and you'll have bilingual signs, so there has been some movement, and we do need to take that further. But, 35 years ago, I wrote a Welsh language book for learners, Welcome to Welsh, and in that book there were pictures of bilingual signs in Tesco. Well, we're on the same course; we're still talking about signs. Well, there we have it. Things have improved, of course. If you legislated, you would still be talking about signs possibly. Well, that's okay, but at some point you have to get to grips with speaking the Welsh language in these situations. I asked the language commissioner whether she would start a campaign with cafes and shops to display a sign in the the window to say that it would be possible to speak Welsh in the shop or the cafe. Not at all. You do have to get to grips with that. And I don't know whether that's through promotion or legislation. But, certainly, you do need to have standards for the private sector. And I think that you could justify that. Without the promotion that's happened, and making the Welsh almost a normal language to be seen, it would be difficult for you to take that step further and to legislate and to bring in standards. But I think that we've gone far enough along this path of seeing the Welsh language and we need then to take that next step to ensure that the Welsh language is used. And that might be best done through standards.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu ein bod ni wedi bod bron yn yr unfan gyda'r siopau yma, er bod yna ddatblygu. Os ydych chi'n mynd i siopau'r Co-op, Cymraeg yn unig sydd o flaen siopau'r Co-op. Yn siopau Lidl fe gewch chi gaws Cymraeg. Pob cynnyrch Cymraeg, mae'n ddwyieithog gyda nhw, felly mae yna symud mawr wedi digwydd o ran hyrwyddo, ac mae eisiau mynd â hynny ymhellach. Ond, 35 mlynedd yn ôl, fe wnes i ysgrifennu rhyw lyfr bach Cymraeg i ddysgwyr, Welcome to Welsh, ac yn y llyfr hwnnw roedd lluniau o arwyddion dwyieithog yn Tesco. Wel, rŷm ni ar yr un llinell; hynny yw, rŷm ni'n sôn am arwyddion o hyd, ac rŷm ni'n sôn - . Wel, dyna fe. Mae hi wedi gwella, wrth gwrs. Pe baech chi hyd yn oed yn deddfu, byddech yn dal i sôn, o bosibl, am arwyddion. Wel, popeth yn iawn, ond mae'n rhaid ichi rywle fynd i'r afael â siarad y Gymraeg yn y sefyllfaoedd yma. Gofynnais i'r comisiynydd iaith bum mlynedd yn ôl a fyddai hi'n dechrau ymgyrch gyda chaffis a siopau, fel eu bod nhw'n gallu dangos arwydd ar flaen y siop yn dweud bod posibilrwydd o siarad Cymraeg yn y siop. Dim o gwbl. Mae'n rhaid i chi fynd i'r afael â hynny. A ydy hynny'n dod drwy hyrwyddo neu ddeddfu? Nid wyf i'n siŵr. Ond yn bendant, mae'n rhaid ichi gael safonau ar gyfer y sector preifat. Ac rwy'n credu y gallech gyfiawnhau hynny. Heb yr hyrwyddo sydd wedi digwydd, a gwneud y Gymraeg bron yn iaith normal i'w gweld, byddai fe'n anodd ichi fynd y cam pellach a deddfu a dod â safonau. Ond rwy'n credu ein bod ni wedi mynd digon ar hyd y daith o weld y Gymraeg ac mae eisiau mynd y cam nesaf i sicrhau bod y Gymraeg yn iaith sy'n cael ei defnyddio. Ac efallai drwy safonau mae'r ffordd ymlaen.