English: Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to debate this important issue here today. Thank you for all that's contributed in the Chamber. The Welsh Government has always been very clear that we want to see responsibility for policing devolved to Wales. The Welsh Government supports the motion to note that policing is a devolved matter in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and agrees with the call for the devolution of policing. In terms of specialist matters, such as counter-terrorism, being co-ordinated at a UK level, I am aware of the model in Scotland for counter-terrorism is that Police Scotland takes their policy direction from the UK Government, which is delivered through Police Scotland and funded through the Scottish Government. This makes absolute sense, and, as this motion suggests, counter-terrorism is best co-ordinated at a UK level. In developing a model for devolution, this will be a key consideration for any work to be taken here in Wales. Policing is the only emergency service not devolved. Remedying this would inevitably allow for greater collaboration, whilst developing better relationships, to help to strengthen joint working with the other devolved services. As Julie Morgan made reference to earlier on, collaboration is the name of the game as we move forward. Sharing staff and practice is something that the three police and crime commissioners, and chief constables, are absolutely signed up to currently. The safety and security of our communities has always been a priority of the Welsh Government, and we are committed to strengthening these further. Devolution would ensure that future legislation affecting policing and community safety in Wales was properly tailored to the Welsh circumstances. Also, we've already had close working relationships with the four Welsh chief constables and police and crime commissioners here in Wales, and the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Well-being and Sport and I meet them on a regular basis to discuss the ways that we can work together to make our communities safer. In September, the police and crime commissioners issued a joint statement supporting the devolution of policing to Wales, and I'm pleased that Bob Evans, the now all-Wales deputy chief constable, has been appointed, and will be working with us on this very issue. His role will be to maintain the relationships between the forces, commissioners' offices, and the Welsh Government. In terms of devolution, we will ensure working effectively in the current arrangements, to consider how these arrangements would work in the devolved setting. This is key to the future of planning for devolution. I listened to the contributions of Mark Isherwood and the UKIP Member. Now, both were very interesting, but, can I just, for clarity, reaffirm the commitment of the letter I received from the police and crime commissioners and the chair of the all-Wales policing group? The comment says: 'As the current chair of the all-Wales policing group, I enclose a copy of our joint statement, which was released publicly. This statement has been discussed with the four chief constables, and, while you will appreciate that they would not wish to comment on the matter that requires a political decision, they are content with what we have said in the letter.' So, the comments made by Mark Isherwood, about an individual telling me one thing and telling him another, then writing to me to say something else, is something I will follow up with the chief constables across Wales. That is not an appropriate comment to make. I will take an intervention from the Member.
Welsh: Diolch i chi, Llywydd. Rwy'n croesawu'r cyfle i drafod y mater pwysig hwn yma heddiw. Diolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu yn y Siambr. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru bob amser wedi bod yn glir iawn ein bod am weld cyfrifoldeb dros blismona yn cael ei ddatganoli i Gymru. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n cefnogi'r cynnig i nodi bod plismona yn fater sydd wedi'i ddatganoli yn yr Alban a Gogledd Iwerddon, ac yn cytuno â'r alwad dros ddatganoli plismona. O ran materion arbenigol, fel gwrth-frawychiaeth, yn cael eu cydgysylltu ar lefel y DU, rwy'n ymwybodol mai model yr Alban ar gyfer gwrth-frawychiaeth yw bod Police Scotland yn cymryd eu cyfeiriad polisi gan Lywodraeth y DU, a chaiff ei gyflwyno drwy Police Scotland a'i ariannu drwy Lywodraeth yr Alban. Mae hyn yn gwneud synnwyr perffaith, ac fel y mae'r cynnig hwn yn ei awgrymu, mae'n well cydgysylltu gwrth-frawychiaeth ar lefel y DU. Wrth ddatblygu model ar gyfer datganoli, bydd hon yn ystyriaeth allweddol ar gyfer unrhyw waith a wneir yma yng Nghymru. Plismona yw'r unig wasanaeth brys nad yw wedi'i ddatganoli. Mae'n anochel y byddai unioni hyn yn caniatáu mwy o gydweithio, gan ddatblygu cysylltiadau gwell, i helpu i gryfhau cydweithrediad â gwasanaethau datganoledig eraill. Fel y dywedodd Julie Morgan yn gynharach, cydweithio yw'r allwedd wrth i ni symud ymlaen. Mae rhannu staff ac ymarfer yn rhywbeth y mae'r tri chomisiynydd heddlu a throseddu, a'r prif gwnstabliaid, yn ei gefnogi'n llwyr ar hyn o bryd. Mae diogelwch ein cymunedau bob amser wedi bod yn flaenoriaeth i Lywodraeth Cymru, ac rydym wedi ymrwymo i'w gryfhau ymhellach. Byddai datganoli'n sicrhau bod unrhyw ddeddfwriaeth sy'n effeithio ar blismona a diogelwch cymunedol yng Nghymru yn y dyfodol wedi'i deilwra'n briodol i amgylchiadau Cymru. Hefyd, rydym eisoes wedi cael perthynas waith agos gyda'r pedwar prif gwnstabl yng Nghymru a'r comisiynwyr heddlu a throseddu yma yng Nghymru, ac Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd, Llesiant a Chwaraeon ac rwy'n cyfarfod â hwy'n rheolaidd i drafod ffyrdd o weithio gyda'n gilydd i wneud ein cymunedau'n fwy diogel. Ym mis Medi, cyhoeddodd comisiynwyr yr heddlu a throseddu ddatganiad ar y cyd yn cefnogi datganoli plismona i Gymru, ac rwy'n falch fod Bob Evans, sef dirprwy brif gwnstabl Cymru gyfan erbyn hyn, wedi cael ei benodi, a bydd yn gweithio gyda ni ar y mater hwn. Ei rôl fydd cynnal y berthynas rhwng yr heddluoedd, swyddfeydd y comisiynwyr, a Llywodraeth Cymru. O ran datganoli, byddwn yn sicrhau ein bod yn gweithio'n effeithiol o fewn y trefniadau presennol, er mwyn ystyried sut y byddai'r trefniadau hyn yn gweithio mewn sefyllfa ddatganoledig. Mae hyn yn allweddol i ddyfodol cynllunio ar gyfer datganoli. Gwrandewais ar gyfraniadau Mark Isherwood a'r Aelod UKIP. Nawr, roedd y ddau'n ddiddorol iawn, ond a gaf fi, er eglurder, ailgadarnhau ymrwymiad y llythyr a gefais gan y comisiynwyr heddlu a throseddu a chadeirydd y grŵp plismona Cymru gyfan? Mae'r sylw'n dweud: 'Fel cadeirydd presennol y grŵp plismona Cymru gyfan, amgaeaf gopi o'n datganiad ar y cyd, a gafodd ei ryddhau'n gyhoeddus. Mae'r datganiad hwn wedi cael ei drafod gyda'r pedwar prif gwnstabl, ac er y byddwch yn deall na fyddent yn dymuno rhoi sylwadau ar y mater sy'n galw am benderfyniad gwleidyddol, maent yn fodlon â'r hyn rydym wedi'i ddweud yn y llythyr.' Felly, mae'r sylwadau a wnaed gan Mark Isherwood, ynglŷn ag unigolyn yn dweud un peth wrthyf fi ac yn dweud rhywbeth arall wrtho ef, yna'n ysgrifennu ataf i ddweud rhywbeth arall, yn rhywbeth y byddaf yn mynd ar ei ôl gyda'r prif gwnstabliaid ledled Cymru. Nid yw hwnnw'n sylw addas i'w wneud. Fe gymeraf ymyriad gan yr Aelod.