English: Dirprwy Lywydd, I thank Joyce Watson for that very important question, which is absolutely relevant to the part of Wales that she represents. I did have an opportunity to discuss these issues, both with Mr Gove but also with the Taoiseach as well. The danger for Wales, Dirprwy Lywydd, is that we are being squeezed in both directions. People in the Republic are making plans to transport goods directly to the continent of Europe, bypassing all the new complexities that they have to face if they bring goods into Welsh ports, because we're no longer members of the single market or the customs union. And at the other side, there is evidence of goods being imported into the United Kingdom going north on the island of Ireland, and then coming across from Northern Ireland into ports in England and Scotland; again, in order to avoid the complexities that leaving the European Union has created. The Taoiseach was very clear with me that, in the view of his Government, the land bridge remains the quickest, the safest, the most efficient, economically beneficial route to transport goods between Ireland and the United Kingdom and the rest of the European Union. But for that land bridge to be effective again, we need a stable agreement, because people are going to have to have complexity, but they need complexity that they can get to grips with, understand, and then operate. The danger is - and this is where I think we have to be as vigilant as we can - that when people invest time and money and energy in establishing alternatives, even if they were meant to be short-term alternatives, if you're not careful those things become permanent. Even though they are not as efficient, even though they take longer, even though they're more expensive, if you've put a lot of your time and energy into establishing them, you may decide that it's just easier to stick with them, and if that were the case, then that would certainly be to the detriment of ports here in Wales.
Welsh: Dirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n diolch i Joyce Watson am y cwestiwn pwysig iawn yna, sy'n gwbl berthnasol i'r rhan o Gymru y mae hi'n ei chynrychioli. Fe ges i gyfle i drafod y materion hyn, gyda Mr Gove ond gyda'r Taoiseach hefyd. Y perygl i Gymru, Dirprwy Lywydd, yw ein bod ni'n cael ein gwasgu o'r ddau gyfeiriad. Mae pobl yn y Weriniaeth yn gwneud cynlluniau i gludo nwyddau yn uniongyrchol i gyfandir Ewrop, gan osgoi'r holl gymhlethdodau newydd y mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw eu hwynebu os ydyn nhw'n dod â nwyddau i borthladdoedd Cymru, oherwydd nad ydym ni'n aelodau o'r farchnad sengl na'r undeb tollau mwyach. Ac ar yr ochr arall, mae tystiolaeth o nwyddau yn cael eu mewnforio i'r Deyrnas Unedig yn mynd i'r gogledd ar ynys Iwerddon, ac yna'n dod draw o Ogledd Iwerddon i borthladdoedd yn Lloegr a'r Alban; eto, er mwyn osgoi'r cymhlethdodau y mae gadael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd wedi eu creu. Roedd y Taoiseach yn glir iawn gyda mi mai'r bont dir, ym marn ei Lywodraeth ef, yw'r llwybr cyflymaf, mwyaf diogel, mwyaf effeithlon a buddiol yn economaidd i gludo nwyddau rhwng Iwerddon a'r Deyrnas Unedig a gweddill yr Undeb Ewropeaidd o hyd. Ond er mwyn i'r bont dir honno fod yn effeithiol eto, mae angen cytundeb sefydlog arnom ni, oherwydd bydd yn rhaid i bobl gael cymhlethdod, ond mae angen cymhlethdod arnyn nhw y gallan nhw fynd i'r afael ag ef, ei ddeall, ac yna ei weithredu. Y perygl yw - a dyma le rwy'n credu y mae'n rhaid i ni fod mor wyliadwrus ag y gallwn ni fod - pan fydd pobl yn buddsoddi amser ac arian ac egni wrth sefydlu dewisiadau eraill, hyd yn oed pe baen nhw i fod yn ddewisiadau amgen tymor byr, os nad ydych chi'n ofalus, bydd y pethau hynny yn mynd yn barhaol. Er nad ydyn nhw mor effeithlon, er eu bod nhw'n cymryd mwy o amser, er eu bod nhw'n ddrutach, os ydych chi wedi rhoi llawer o'ch amser a'ch egni i'w sefydlu, efallai y byddwch chi'n penderfynu ei bod yn haws cadw atyn nhw, a phe bai hynny'n digwydd, yna byddai hynny'n sicr ar draul porthladdoedd yma yng Nghymru.