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English: Diolch, Llywydd. Can I start by thanking Mark Isherwood for tabling this debate today and for ensuring this important matter is brought forward as part of this Senedd's evident commitment to advancing equality and human rights in Wales? And can I also thank Joel James for your contribution this evening? Joel, you've given such a powerful account of your personal lived experience as a result of hearing difficulties in your life, and that's such important evidence for us, not just tonight but in your role here as a Senedd Member and in all that you contribute to in terms of debates, questions and inquiries. So, thank you for telling us about your life today. Thank you very much, Joel. Thank you to Jane as well, Jane Dodds, for what you have described and the evidence you've given as part of this debate as a result of your work particularly with children and young people. I do want to also just acknowledge and thank Mark for raising this important debate today, because it was, as you said, 24 February last year, nearly a year ago, in the last year of the fifth Senedd, that we debated your motion for a Bill that would make a provision to encourage the use of British Sign Language in Wales and improve access to education and services in BSL, and I was pleased to respond to that debate. And, of course, last week, we've had other statements and debates.
Welsh: Diolch, Lywydd. A gaf fi ddechrau drwy ddiolch i Mark Isherwood am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon heddiw ac am sicrhau bod y mater pwysig hwn yn cael ei gyflwyno fel rhan o ymrwymiad amlwg y Senedd hon i hyrwyddo cydraddoldeb a hawliau dynol yng Nghymru? Ac a gaf fi hefyd ddiolch i Joel James am eich cyfraniad heno? Joel, fe roesoch chi ddisgrifiad mor bwerus o'ch profiad personol o fyw gydag anawsterau clyw yn eich bywyd, ac mae hynny'n dystiolaeth mor bwysig i ni, nid yn unig heno ond yn eich rôl yma fel Aelod o'r Senedd ac ym mhob dim rydych yn cyfrannu ato ar ffurf dadleuon, cwestiynau ac ymchwiliadau. Felly, diolch am ddweud wrthym am eich bywyd heddiw. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Joel. Diolch i Jane hefyd, Jane Dodds, am yr hyn rydych wedi'i ddisgrifio a'r dystiolaeth a roddwyd gennych fel rhan o'r ddadl hon o ganlyniad i'ch gwaith, yn enwedig gyda phlant a phobl ifanc. Rwyf am gydnabod a diolch i Mark hefyd am gyflwyno'r ddadl bwysig hon heddiw, oherwydd fel y dywedoch chi, ar 24 Chwefror y llynedd, bron i flwyddyn yn ôl, ym mlwyddyn olaf y bumed Senedd, y gwnaethom drafod eich cynnig am Fil a fyddai'n darparu ar gyfer annog y defnydd o Iaith Arwyddion Prydain yng Nghymru a gwella mynediad at addysg a gwasanaethau mewn BSL, ac roeddwn yn falch o ymateb i'r ddadl honno. Ac wrth gwrs, yr wythnos diwethaf, cawsom ddatganiadau a dadleuon eraill.
English: Yes indeed, thank you to all of you who contributed to that important debate. With that, we'll close proceedings for today.
Welsh: Ie wir, diolch i bawb a gyfrannodd at y ddadl bwysig honno. Fe ddaw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben.
English: Yes. I'd like to declare that my husband is employed by Swansea University, is a member of the University and College Union, and is a fellow of the Learned Society for Wales. Thank you.
Welsh: Ie. Hoffwn i nodi bod fy ngŵr yn gyflogedig gan Brifysgol Abertawe, yn aelod o Undeb y Prifysgolion a'r Colegau, ac yn gymrawd o - beth yw e - yr Learned Society for Wales. Diolch.
English: Thank you, Chair, and thank you for the invitation to give further evidence to the committee this morning. May I just start, if I may, by making a brief statement that I hope will be of assistance to the committee in its deliberations? Thank you, first of all, for the scrutiny work that you've undertaken on the Bill. I have, of course, been looking at the comments made by Members when I last appeared before the committee, as well as the evidence that you've taken in the meantime from stakeholders, and I've been considering, in light of those contributions, what amendments may be appropriate for the next stages of the Bill, in order to ensure that the Bill is as strong as it possibly can be and that it reflects what we've heard from you and from others. Of course, I will take note of the committee's further deliberations once you have had an opportunity to hear all of the evidence and consider that before I make any specific decisions on proposed amendments.
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd, a diolch am y gwahoddiad y bore yma i roi tystiolaeth bellach i'r pwyllgor. Gaf i jest cychwyn, os caf i, drwy wneud datganiad byr byddaf i'n gobeithio bydd o gymorth i'r pwyllgor a'ch ystyriaethau chi? Diolch ichi, i gychwyn, am y gwaith craffu rŷch chi wedi ei wneud ar y Bil. Rwyf wedi bod yn edrych, wrth gwrs, ar y sylwadau a wnaethpwyd gan Aelodau pan oeddwn i o flaen y pwyllgor y tro diwethaf, a'r dystiolaeth hefyd sydd yn y cyfamser wedi cael ei rhoi gan rhanddeiliaid i chithau fel pwyllgor, ac wedi bod yn ystyried, yng ngoleuni'r cyfraniadau hynny, ba ddiwygiadau fyddai'n addas ar gyfer y Bil, ar gyfer cam nesaf y Bil, er mwyn sicrhau ei fod e'r Bil orau y gallai fod a'i fod yn adlewyrchu'r hyn rŷm ni wedi clywed wrthoch chi ac wrth eraill. Wrth gwrs, byddaf i eisiau clywed ystyriaethau pellach y pwyllgor yn sgil y cyfle byddwch chi yn ei gael i glywed y dystiolaeth i gyd ac i roi ystyriaeth i hynny cyn fy mod i'n gwneud unrhyw benderfyniadau penodol ynglŷn â diwygiadau arfaethedig.
English: Thank you, Chair, and good morning, Minister. I just wanted to return briefly to the responses you gave the Chair at the outset on the board. You discussed how the board should be representative of the sector and the broad workforce and the different stakeholders involved. What I wanted to ask very briefly was what your views are on how you can ensure the board is representative of Wales in terms of gender, ethnic background and so on. Because, clearly, with a new body such as this, I'm sure you'd agree that it's important that the board doesn't look like every other board and does reflect the new spirit and the important work that the board will undertake for the future. So, I just wanted your views on that briefly.
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Bore da, Weinidog. Dwi jest eisiau mynd nôl yn gyflym iawn i'r atebion a wnaethoch chi eu rhoi i'r Cadeirydd reit ar y cychwyn ynglŷn â'r bwrdd. Gwnaethoch chi drafod sut roedd angen i'r bwrdd fod yn gynrychioladol o'r sector a'r gweithlu eang a'r rhanddeiliaid gwahanol. Beth roeddwn i jest eisiau gofyn yn gyflym oedd beth yw eich barn chi ynglŷn â sut y dylai'r bwrdd fod neu sut y gallwch chi sicrhau bod y bwrdd yn gynrychioladol o Gymru yn nhermau rhywedd, yn nhermau cefndir ethnig ac yn y blaen? Achos, yn amlwg, gyda chorff newydd fel hyn, dwi'n siŵr eich bod chi'n cytuno ei bod hi'n bwysig nad yw'r bwrdd yn edrych fel pob bwrdd arall, ac yn adlewyrchu'r ysbryd newydd a'r gwaith pwysig at y dyfodol y bydd y bwrdd yn ei gyflawni. Felly, rôn i jest eisiau cael eich barn ar hynny'n gyflym.
English: Yes, I agree entirely with you. It's extremely important; it's important in our public bodies in general, and we are working to ensure that. As it happens, there is currently a piece of work ongoing - it may have even been communicated now - where the public bodies unit is working with the public bodies that we have to improve diversity on boards and to ensure representation from all sorts of communities in Wales, and I'd want to see that as being a core part of the appointments to the new board, and I or whoever makes the appointments in due course will seek to ensure that we not only ensure that people come forward, but that there are recruitment processes in place that will encourage applications from and appointments of a diverse range of people.
Welsh: Ie, cytuno'n llwyr gyda chi am hynny - pa mor bwysig yw e. Mae'n bwysig yn ein cyrff cyhoeddus ni yn gyffredinol. Wrth gwrs, rŷn ni'n gweithio i sicrhau hynny. Fel mae'n digwydd, mae darn o waith ar y gweill ar hyn o bryd - efallai ei fod e hyd yn oed wedi cael ei gyfathrebu erbyn hyn - lle mae'r uned cyrff cyhoeddus yn gweithio gyda chyrff cyhoeddus sydd gyda ni eisoes i wella amrywiaeth ar y byrddau a sicrhau cynrychiolaeth o gymunedau o bob math yng Nghymru, a byddaf i eisiau gweld hynny'n rhan greiddiol o'r apwyntiadau i'r bwrdd newydd, a byddaf i neu bwy bynnag fydd yn gwneud yr apwyntiadau maes o law eisiau sicrhau ein bod ni nid jest yn sicrhau bod pobl yn dod ymlaen, ond bod ffyrdd o recriwtio sy'n debygol o ysgogi, os hoffech chi, apwyntiadau a chynigion wrth bobl.
English: And perhaps even use co-option to deliver that. That might be an idea. Great. I want to move on to a few questions on the influence of Welsh Ministers on the commission and providers. We've heard strong views that there's no clear rationale for the powers to dissolve a higher education corporation without the consent of a governing body. Will you bring forward an amendment to the Bill to require the governing bodies' consent?
Welsh: Ie, neu hyd yn oed defnyddio rhywbeth fel co-option i gyflawni hynny. Efallai y byddai hynny'n syniad. Gwych. Dwi eisiau symud ymlaen at gwpwl o gwestiynau ynglŷn â dylanwad Gweinidogion Cymru ar y comisiwn a darparwyr. Rŷn ni wedi cael barn gref nad oes sail resymegol glir dros y pwerau i ddiddymu corfforaeth addysg uwch heb gydsyniad y corff llywodraethu. A wnewch chi gyflwyno diwygiad i'r Bil i'w gwneud hi'n ofynnol i gael cydsyniad y cyrff llywodraethu?
English: Well, the simple answer to your question is that I do intend to introduce an amendment in this area. In terms of the content of that amendment, I am still considering what that will look like. But just to give you some context, if I may, the powers contained within the Bill in terms of dissolving corporations, other than the technical considerations in terms of creating a new board and some peripheral issues, do reflect the powers that are currently available. So, they are reserved powers, certainly, and their use would be subject to public law. So, I think it's important to give that context as we look at this. But I certainly have heard the remarks of some of the stakeholders that have given you evidence and I've had some direct discussions with them too, and I've been in a number of fora to listen to the views of organisations, and it is quite clear that this theme arises quite consistently among those organisations that are most directly affected. So, I'm certainly open to having that debate and to considering how we can reflect what we've heard in feedback in proposed amendments to the Bill. But if I may, Chair, this is one of the things where it might be useful if I write to the committee, because the process of thinking that through hasn't reached the end of the line as of yet. So, I will, if I may, write to you when our thinking is slightly more developed on this.
Welsh: Wel, yr ateb syml i'ch cwestiwn chi yw fy mod i'n bwriadu cyflwyno diwygiad yn y maes hwn. O ran cynnwys y diwygiad hwnnw, dwi'n dal i edrych ar beth fydd hwnnw. Ond jest fel cyd-destun, os caf i, mae'r pwerau sydd yn y Bil o ran diddymu'r corfforaethau, oni bai am rai newidiadau technegol, rhai sy'n codi yn sgil creu comisiwn newydd, a rhai ymylol - os caf i ddisgrifio fe felly - eraill, oni bai am hynny, maen nhw'n adlewyrchu'r pwerau sydd ar gael ar hyn o bryd. Felly, pwerau wrth gefn ydyn nhw, yn sicr, a'u defnydd nhw'n ddarostyngedig i gyfraith gyhoeddus beth bynnag. Felly, dwi jest yn credu ei bod hi'n bwysig i roi'r cyd-destun hwnnw hefyd wrth inni edrych ar hwn. Ond dwi'n sicr wedi clywed gan rai o'r rhanddeiliaid sydd wedi rhoi tystiolaeth i chi ac yn y trafodaethau dwi wedi eu cael gyda nhw'n uniongyrchol hefyd - a dwi wedi bod mewn amryw o fforymau i wrando ar safbwyntiau sefydliadau - mae'n gwbl glir bod y thema hon yn codi'n weddol gyson gan y sefydliadau sydd yn cael eu heffeithio'n fwyaf uniongyrchol. Felly, dwi'n sicr yn agored i'r drafodaeth honno ac i weld sut y gallwn ni adlewyrchu'r hyn rŷn ni wedi'i glywed yn yr adborth mewn diwygiadau i'r Bil. Ond, os caf i, Gadeirydd, dyma un o'r pethau efallai y byddai'n ddefnyddiol imi ysgrifennu'n bellach at y pwyllgor amdano. Dyw'r broses o feddwl drwy hynny ddim eto wedi cyrraedd y lan. Felly, fe wnaf i ysgrifennu, os caf i, pan fydd y syniadaeth wedi symud ychydig ymhellach ymlaen.
English: Thank you. Universities Wales have raised with us that the power to issue general directions to the commission will no longer have to be done by Order - they will just need to be published. Now, this could reduce Senedd scrutiny of the commission. Will you bring forward an amendment to the Bill to require directions to be given by Order?
Welsh: Diolch. Mae Prifysgolion Cymru wedi dweud wrthym ni na fydd yn rhaid i'r pŵer i roi cyfarwyddiadau cyffredinol i'r comisiwn gael ei wneud drwy Orchymyn mwyach. Y cyfan fydd angen ei wneud fydd cyhoeddi hynny. Gallai hyn leihau gwaith craffu'r Senedd ar y comisiwn. A wnewch chi gyflwyno diwygiad i'r Bil i'w gwneud hi'n ofynnol i gyfarwyddiadau gael eu rhoi drwy Orchymyn?
English: Well, we've followed a different path to the approach of the 1992 Act. That certainly is true. The Bill allows us as Ministers to give directions, but there are limits on that and there are safeguarding steps involved there. That is to say there would need to be consultation with the commission, we would need to ensure that any directions are kept under ongoing overview, and we would need to publish those and to declare to the Senedd what those directions are so that the Senedd can be involved. My view is that that provides safeguards in terms of the interests of institutions and the Senedd too. I'm trying to think whether we discussed this the last time I was before the committee. I don't want to rehearse what I said at that point, but one of the things that's at the heart of this new approach is that we, occasionally, need to move with urgency in order to provide directions. We've seen, in the context of COVID specifically, that certain things do arise in a time of crisis that mean that you do need to move very quickly. So, that's what's brought forward this new approach in the Bill. But, as you said, I do recognise that people have raised concerns about that, so I'm happy to consider alternative approaches, if you like, of reaching that aim of having that flexibility and being able to be nimble, but also providing some comfort to those who have raised concerns so far. So, I will look at that mechanism.
Welsh: Wel, rŷn ni wedi dilyn trywydd gwahanol i'r approach sydd yn Neddf 1992 ar hyn o bryd. Mae hynny, wrth gwrs, yn wir. Mae'r Bil yn caniatáu i ni fel Gweinidogion roi cyfarwyddiadau. Ond mae cyfyngiadau ar hynny, ac mae camau sydd yn diogelu ynghlwm yn hynny. Hynny yw, mae angen ymgynghori gyda'r comisiwn, mae angen sicrhau bod unrhyw gyfarwyddiadau'n cael eu cadw o dan drosolwg parhaus, ac mae angen cyhoeddi'r rheini a datgan i'r Senedd beth yw'r cyfarwyddiadau hynny fel bod cyfle i'r Senedd ymwneud â nhw. Felly, fy marn i yw bod hynny'n cyflwyno pethau sy'n diogelu buddiannau sefydliadau a'r Senedd hefyd. Dwi'n trio cofio pa un a'n bod ni wedi trafod hyn yn fras y tro diwethaf roeddwn i o flaen y pwyllgor, so dwi ddim eisiau ail-ddweud beth wnes i ddweud amser hynny, ond un o'r pethau sydd wrth wraidd y dull newydd yw bod angen, ambell waith, edrych at symud ar fyrder i allu gwneud cyfarwyddiadau. Rŷn ni wedi gweld, yng nghyd-destun COVID yn benodol, fod ambell beth yn codi mewn cyfnod o argyfwng sydd yn golygu bod angen symud yn gyflym iawn. Felly, dyna sydd wedi ysgogi'r approach newydd yn y Bil. Ond eto, fel rŷch chi'n dweud, dwi'n cydnabod bod pobl wedi codi pryderon am hynny, felly dwi'n hapus i edrych ar ffyrdd amgen, os hoffwch chi, o gyrraedd y nod honno o allu bod yn hyblyg ac yn nimble, ond hefyd yn rhoi, efallai, mwy o gysur i'r rheini sydd wedi codi pryderon mor belled. Felly, dwi'n edrych ar hynny - ar y mecanwaith hwnnw.
English: Thank you. Although provision means that the commission can't require a governing body to do anything incompatible with charity law, there's seemingly no such limitation on Welsh Ministers. What's the rationale for this, and will you amend the Bill to include this?
Welsh: Diolch. Er bod darpariaeth sy'n golygu na all y comisiwn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gorff llywodraethu wneud unrhyw beth sy'n anghydnaws â chyfraith elusennau, ymddengys nad oes cyfyngiad o'r fath ar Weinidogion Cymru. Beth yw'r rhesymeg dros hyn, ac a wnewch chi ddiwygio'r Bil i gynnwys hyn?
English: Well, the rationale for that is that the content of the Bill is consistent with current provisions in the 2015 legislation, and those include the duties and work of HEFCW alone. So, that's the rationale - it reflects what's currently in place in the context of HEFCW. But, again, you're getting quite a bit out of me this morning, Sioned. I've heard from you and from others that that is something that you would like to see - that Ministers would be subject to that - so, I'd be happy to look at what we can do in terms of a broader duty in that regard.
Welsh: Wel, y rheswm am hynny yw bod cynnwys y Bil yn gyson gyda'r darpariaethau cyfredol sydd yn Neddf 2015, ac mae'r rheini'n cynnwys dyletswyddau a gwaith HEFCW yn unig. Felly, dyna'r rhesymeg - ei fod e'n adlewyrchu'r hyn sy'n digwydd yng nghyd-destun HEFCW. Ond eto, rŷch chi'n llwyddo i gael mwy nag un cytundeb allan ohonof i, Sioned. Dwi wedi clywed gennych chi a gan eraill fod hynny'n rhywbeth y byddech chi'n hoffi ei weld - bod Gweinidogion yn ddarostyngedig i hynny hefyd - felly, byddwn i'n hapus i edrych ar beth allwn ni ei wneud o ran dyletswydd ehangach, efallai, yn hynny o beth.
English: Thank you, Chair. Just a brief question on research, and I appreciate that you said in your opening statement that you were going to look at the issue of research and its place within the duties in the Bill. There's a lot of talk about institutional autonomy and academic freedom at an institutional level, but where research is concerned, should it also be at an individual level? Given what you've just said about the importance of the ability of Ministers to fund and direct research in some areas that are of benefit to the nation, shouldn't we also ensure that individuals in our institutions also have that autonomy to undertake the research that they feel, as specialists in their field, would be of benefit to the public, and of benefit to their particular field and to the nation too?
Welsh: Diolch, Cadeirydd. Ie, jest un cwestiwn cyflym ynglŷn ag ymchwil, a dwi'n gwerthfawrogi eich bod chi wedi dweud yn eich datganiad agoriadol eich bod chi yn mynd i edrych ar y cwestiwn o ymchwil a'i le o fewn dyletswyddau'r Bil. Mae yna lot o sôn am ymreolaeth sefydliadol a rhyddid academaidd ar lefel sefydliadol, ond lle mae ymchwil yn y cwestiwn, a ddylai fe fod hefyd ar lefel yr unigolyn? Gan gymryd beth rŷch chi newydd ei ddweud o ran pwysigrwydd gallu Gweinidogion i fedru cyllido a chyfeirio ymchwil mewn rhai meysydd sydd o fudd i'r genedl, onid oes angen i ni sicrhau bod gan unigolion yn ein sefydliadau hefyd y rhyddid i ymwneud â'r ymchwil maen nhw'n teimlo, fel arbenigwyr yn eu maes nhw, sy'n mynd i fod o fudd i'r cyhoedd, ac o fudd i'w maes ac i'r genedl hefyd?
English: Well, academic freedom in that sense is part of the Bill as it's currently drafted. I'd be happy to look at the particular point you've made to ensure - . You did make quite a detailed point, so I will just check again that I am happy that that has been covered.
Welsh: Wel, mae rhyddid academaidd yn y ffordd hwnnw yn rhan o gwmpas y Bil fel mae e ar hyn o bryd. Byddaf i'n hapus i edrych ar y pwynt penodol rŷch chi wedi'i wneud, i jest sicrhau - . Roeddech chi'n gwneud pwynt manwl, felly fe wnaf i jest wirio eto fy mod i'n hapus bod hynny wedi cyfro'r maes.
English: Thank you, Chair. Can you explain what the Bill will mean for learners who have additional learning needs? Are you content that the Bill will not disadvantage those with complex additional learning needs? Several stakeholders have raised concerns with us in their consultation responses about the treatment of ALN provision in the Bill. So, if I could have your comments on that.
Welsh: Diolch, Cadeirydd. Allwch chi egluro beth fydd y Bil yn ei olygu ar gyfer dysgwyr sydd ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol? Ydych chi'n fodlon na fydd y Bil yn rhoi pobl ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol cymhleth o dan anfantais? Mae sawl rhanddeiliad wedi codi pryderon gyda ni yn eu hymatebion i'r ymgynghoriad ynghylch trin darpariaeth ADY yn y Bil. Felly, os gallaf gael eich sylwadau chi ar hynny.
English: Thank you. Two questions now on the Welsh language. The Welsh Language Commissioner and the Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol have concerns about the wording and ambition of the strategic duty related to Welsh-medium provision. Will you introduce an amendment to address concerns that it's only needing to 'meet reasonable demand' for Welsh-medium provision that is all that's required of the commission?
Welsh: Diolch. Dau gwestiwn gen i nawr ynglŷn â'r Gymraeg. Mae gan Gomisiynydd y Gymraeg a'r Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol bryderon am eiriad ac uchelgais y ddyletswydd strategol sy'n gysylltiedig â darpariaeth cyfwng Cymraeg. A fyddwch chi'n cyflwyno diwygiad i fynd i'r afael â phryderon mai dim ond 'ateb y galw rhesymol' am ddarpariaeth cyfrwng Cymraeg sydd angen i'r comisiwn ei wneud?
English: Thank you, and a further question on the relationship of the commission with the coleg Cymraeg. Stakeholders - not just the college itself, but other stakeholders - were concerned about confusion and duplication of roles and responsibilities regarding Welsh-medium provisions, since the Bill places responsibility on the new bodies in relation to the Welsh language that are already the responsibility of the Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol. Can you set out at a high level how the coleg, the commission, and other relevant bodies, will work together, and what will be the relationship between the commission and the coleg, given that the coleg won't be within the commission's remit?
Welsh: Diolch, a chwestiwn pellach ynglŷn â pherthynas y comisiwn gyda'r coleg Cymraeg. Roedd rhanddeiliaid eraill, nid yn unig y coleg ei hunain, yn pryderu am ddryswch ynglŷn â, a hefyd dyblygu, rolau a chyfrifoldebau o ran darpariaeth cyfrwng Cymraeg, gan fod y Bil yn gosod cyfrifoldebau ar y corff newydd yn ymwneud â'r Gymraeg sydd eisoes yn gyfrifoldeb i'r Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol. A allwch chi nodi ar lefel uchel sut y bydd y coleg, y comisiwn, a chyrff perthnasol eraill, yn cydweithio, a beth fydd y berthynas rhwng y comisiwn a'r coleg, o ystyried na fydd y coleg o fewn cylch gwaith y comisiwn?
English: Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Iawn. Diolch yn fawr. Diolch, Cadeirydd.
English: Welcome to the meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee today.
Welsh: Croeso i gyfarfod y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg heddiw.