English: I'm afraid I don't have that number immediately to hand, but I think that 3.8 per cent unemployment rate will understate the eligible numbers, because to be unemployed on that definition you have to be actively seeking work, and the committee was looking to extend the definition somewhat to include those doing that and having education or training aimed at getting back into work, but I think that there are substantially more who are not seeking work because they're looking after young children, and, well, that choice - that is as it is. But I'm just perplexed by the attitude of the Government on this and the different hats people seem to be wearing. However, can I just set out a couple of other points on the consents? It was slightly frustrating that we didn't know the basis on which the consents had been awarded. I was saying at committee that perhaps it would be difficult administratively to change the eligibility criteria from that which HMRC operates for the UK-wide tax-free childcare, and that proved to be the case, but we spent quite a lot of time debating this issue when, if only that consent matter sent several months before had been shared with the committee, we would have known that HMRC was not going to allow that or the whole thing would have had to have been reopened or be very expensive and administratively difficult. I'd also just like to put a final plea in, and the Minister has been listening to this and has made progress, but the UK tax-free childcare scheme is out there and open, and parents in Wales can have childcare and then claim 20 per cent of the cost back from HMRC. It's very good that, when they apply under this scheme, they'll be told about that, but in the meantime when they hear about what Ministers and Government are doing on this Welsh scheme they don't hear about that UK tax-free childcare. Please take the opportunity to promote it, because what that will do is bring more revenue and money into the Welsh economy, help nurseries and help parents.
Welsh: Mae arnaf i ofn nad oes gen i'r rhif hwnnw wrth law ar hyn o bryd, ond credaf y bydd y gyfradd diweithdra 3.8 y cant hwnnw yn tanddatgan y nifer sy'n gymwys, oherwydd i fod yn ddi-waith yn ôl y diffiniad hwnnw mae'n rhaid i chi fod wrthi'n chwilio am waith, ac roedd y pwyllgor yn ystyried ymestyn y diffiniad rhywfaint i gynnwys y rhai hynny sy'n gwneud hynny ac yn cael addysg neu hyfforddiant sydd â'r nod o fynd yn ôl i weithio, ond credaf fod yna lawer mwy nad ydynt yn chwilio am waith oherwydd eu bod yn gofalu am blant ifanc, a, wel, y dewis hwnnw - dyna'r sefyllfa. Ond mae agwedd y Llywodraeth ar hyn yn fy nrysu a'r gwahanol hetiau yr ymddengys y mae pobl yn eu gwisgo. Fodd bynnag, a gaf i nodi ychydig o bwyntiau eraill ar y cysyniadau? Roedd hi ychydig yn rhwystredig nad oeddem ni'n gwybod ar ba sail y dyfarnwyd y cysyniadau. Roeddwn i'n dweud yn y pwyllgor efallai y byddai'n anodd yn weinyddol i newid y meini prawf cymhwystra y mae Cyllid a Thollau EM yn eu defnyddio ar gyfer gofal plant di-dreth ar draws y DU, a phrofodd hynny i fod yn wir, ond fe wnaethom dreulio cryn dipyn o amser yn trafod y mater hwn ond pe byddai'r mater cysyniadau, a anfonwyd sawl mis ynghynt, wedi ei rannu â'r Pwyllgor, byddem wedi bod yn gwybod nad oedd Cyllid a Thollau EM yn mynd i ganiatáu hynny neu byddai'r holl beth wedi gorfod cael ei ailagor neu fod yn ddrud iawn ac yn weinyddol anodd. Hoffwn hefyd gyflwyno un ple olaf, ac mae'r Gweinidog wedi bod yn gwrando ar hyn ac wedi gwneud cynnydd, ond mae cynllun gofal plant di-dreth y DU ar gael ac yn agored, a gall rhieni yng Nghymru gael gofal plant ac yna hawlio 20 y cant o'r gost yn ôl gan Cyllid a Thollau EM. Mae'n dda iawn, pan fyddan nhw'n gwneud cais o dan y cynllun hwn, y byddan nhw'n cael gwybod am hynny, ond yn y cyfamser pan fyddan nhw'n clywed am yr hyn y mae Gweinidogion a'r Llywodraeth yn ei wneud ar y cynllun hwn yng Nghymru ni fyddan nhw'n clywed am y gofal plant di-dreth hwnnw yn y DU. Dylech achub ar y cyfle i'w hyrwyddo, oherwydd yr hyn y bydd hynny'n ei wneud yw dod â mwy o refeniw ac arian i economi Cymru, helpu meithrinfeydd a helpu rhieni.