English: Well, I think it's crucially important that there should be collaboration between social care and health, because, at the moment, we have 22 local authorities and it's very difficult for them, as I've said on a number of occasions, to implement a consistent service of care. I've seen it on many occasions, where one individual who has very serious requirements draws from the budget, and, because of that, the budget becomes smaller for everyone else. That's an issue of the scale of the authorities. Now, for me, the authorities do have to collaborate more, ultimately, in order to ensure that there are regional services available, at least, and more consistency of service. On a national system, well, the jury's out on that, but, at least, we need a system where people aren't simply working in a way that's only relevant to them. I don't see, with a system of taxation that would be simply in place for social care, why people would lose their homes - that could be resolved. We could have a system where everyone would have the same access, free of charge. We'd have to look at the figures to see how much money would have to be raised in order to deliver that. But I think that it's easier to tell the public, 'We're going to raise a tax' - the English word 'levy' sounds better, but it's a tax - 'but the funding would be retained for one purpose' - that's not how things are at the moment - 'and the purpose would be that everyone who has paid into that fund could access social care'. I think, for me, that's the way to move on. And, of course, it's not easy to say, but we have to have a system where those who have paid in, or where funds have been paid in on their behalf - that they increase ways of ensuring they can have those services. As I said, we can't have a situation where people could move into the country and then just access services, because that's an invitation for people to move in to take advantage of the system. So, the system would have to work on the basis of, if you've paid into the fund, then you can access services.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n hollbwysig bod yna gydweithio ynglŷn â gofal cymdeithasol ac iechyd, achos mae gennym ni sefyllfa ar hyn o bryd - mae gyda ni 22 awdurdod lleol. Mae'n anodd dros ben iddyn nhw - rwyf wedi dweud hwn sawl gwaith - i weithredu system gyson o wasanaethau cymdeithasol. Rwyf wedi gweld enghreifftiau, er enghraifft, mewn rhai awdurdodau lleol, lle mae un unigolyn sydd ag anghenion difrifol iawn yn - nid 'sugno' yw'r gair, ond yn tynnu o'r gyllideb, ac, o achos hynny, mae'r gyllideb yn llai i bawb arall, achos maint yr awdurdodau. So, i mi, mae'n rhaid i awdurdodau gydweithio mwy, yn y pen draw, er mwyn sicrhau bod yna wasanaethau rhanbarthol, o leiaf, a mwy o gysondeb yn y system. Ynglŷn â system genedlaethol, wel, i mi mae'r rheithgor mas ar hwnnw, ond, o leiaf, gallwn ni byth gael system lle mae pobl yn gweithio mewn ffordd sydd dim ond yn berthnasol iddyn nhw. Nid wyf yn gweld, gyda system o drethi sydd dim ond ar gyfer gofal cymdeithasol, pam dylai pobl golli eu tŷ - gallai hwnnw gael ei ddatrys. Gallwn ni gael system lle na fyddai eisiau i neb wneud hynny a byddai pawb yn cael yr un mynediad am ddim. Wrth gwrs, byddai'n rhaid edrych ar y ffigyrau i weld faint o arian y byddai'n gorfod cael ei gynyddu er mwyn gwneud hynny. Ond rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n rhwyddach dweud wrth y cyhoedd, 'Rŷm ni'n mynd i godi treth' - yn y Saesneg ' levy '; mae'n swnio'n well na 'tax', ond treth yw e - 'ond mae'r arian yn mynd i gael ei gadw am un pwrpas' - nid felly mae pethau ar hyn o bryd - 'a'r pwrpas bydd sicrhau bod pawb sydd wedi talu i mewn i'r gronfa honno yn cael mynediad at ofal cymdeithasol.' Dyna'r ffordd, i mi, i'w symud e ymlaen. Ac, wrth gwrs, nid yw'n rhwydd i'w ddweud, ond mae'n rhaid inni gael system lle mae'r rheini sydd wedi talu i mewn, neu mae pobl wedi talu i mewn drostyn nhw, neu rŷm ni wedi talu i mewn drostyn nhw - eu bod nhw'n cynyddu ffyrdd o sicrhau eu bod nhw'n gallu cael y gwasanaethau hynny. Fel y dywedais i, allwn ni ddim cael sefyllfa lle mae rhywun yn gallu symud i mewn ac wedyn yn gallu cael y gwasanaethau, oherwydd mae hwnnw jest yn wahoddiad i bobl i symud i Gymru. So, byddai'r system yn gorfod gweithio ar y sylfaen o, os ydych chi wedi talu i mewn, felly, wedyn rŷch chi'n cael y budd.