English: Whilst there are a number of elements in the Plaid Cymru debate we are able to support, we also acknowledge and support a number of the Labour amendments. Under item 1 and 2 (a), Plaid are right to point out that, as long ago as 2013, the then Enterprise and Business Committee proposed that the Welsh Government develop a strategy with regard to rolling stock, but we have to acknowledge that this was difficult for the Welsh Government to implement under the previous rail franchise, which Rhun has rightly criticised. Under item 2 (b), although it is highly regrettable that all trains cannot be made PRM compliant by 2020, and notwithstanding the arguments about dispensation, we must be mindful that there have been huge difficulties with assessing suitable rolling stock, which has severely affected the Government's ability to comply. We fully support the call outlined in item 2 (c) and would endorse the proposed approach to the UK Government. I would also express concern at the continuing disruption to rail passengers in the transition period from the old franchise to the new collaborative set-up between Transport for Wales and KeolisAmey, but we have to accept that it will take time for these new working practices to bed in. Whilst we can't accept the 'delete all' element of the Government's amendment, we do acknowledge and accept all the other points in their amendments. We would further add to the third amendment that it was not only the cancellation of the electrification of the Swansea line, but there were a number of other electrification projects throughout England that also had the effect of limiting the rolling stock that could have been - and I'm not saying this as a derogatory element, Rhun - cascaded and available to the Welsh Government, had these projects gone ahead. We fully endorse the Government's claims in items 4 and 5 and would also urge the UK Government to take note of these demands. We acknowledge the correctness of the amendment tabled by Darren Millar, but would point out that the conditions under which that franchise was set up did make it difficult for the Welsh Government to act in a way that could be endorsed by the Welsh public - i.e. spending money to subsidise a profitable private company. Following on from this debate, we would, of course, urge the Welsh Government to continue in their endeavours to secure the very best options in rolling stock as soon as it is able, but let us acknowledge that this cannot be done overnight.
Welsh: Er bod nifer o elfennau yn nadl Plaid Cymru y gallwn eu cefnogi, rydym hefyd yn cydnabod ac yn cefnogi nifer o welliannau Llafur. O dan eitem 1 a 2 (a), mae Plaid Cymru yn iawn i nodi, mor bell yn ôl â 2013, fod y Pwyllgor Menter a Busnes ar y pryd wedi cynnig y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ddatblygu strategaeth ar gyfer cerbydau, ond rhaid inni gydnabod bod hyn yn anodd i Lywodraeth Cymru ei weithredu o dan y fasnachfraint reilffyrdd flaenorol, a feirniadwyd yn briodol gan Rhun. O dan eitem 2 (b), er ei bod yn drueni mawr na ellir gwneud i'r holl drenau gydymffurfio â rheoliadau pobl â chyfyngiadau symudedd erbyn 2020, ac er gwaethaf y dadleuon ynghylch rhyddhad, rhaid inni gofio bod anawsterau mawr wedi bod gydag asesu cerbydau addas, ac mae hynny wedi effeithio'n ddifrifol ar allu'r Llywodraeth i gydymffurfio. Cefnogwn yn llwyr yr alwad a amlinellir yn eitem 2 (c) a byddem yn cymeradwyo'r dull o weithredu a argymhellir i Lywodraeth y DU. Hoffwn fynegi pryder hefyd ynglŷn â'r tarfu parhaus i deithwyr rheilffyrdd yn y cyfnod o newid o'r hen fasnachfraint i'r drefn gydweithredol newydd rhwng Trafnidiaeth Cymru a KeolisAmey, ond rhaid inni dderbyn y bydd yn cymryd amser i wreiddio'r trefniadau gweithio newydd hyn. Er na allwn dderbyn yr elfen 'dileu popeth' yng ngwelliant y Llywodraeth, rydym yn cydnabod ac yn derbyn yr holl bwyntiau eraill yn eu gwelliannau. Byddem yn ychwanegu at y trydydd gwelliant nad canslo trydaneiddio rheilffordd Abertawe yn unig ydoedd, ond roedd nifer o brosiectau trydaneiddio eraill ledled Lloegr a oedd hefyd yn cyfyngu ar y cerbydau a allai fod wedi - ac nid wyf yn dweud hyn yn ddifrïol, Rhun - eu rhaeadru ac ar gael i Lywodraeth Cymru pe bai'r prosiectau hyn wedi mynd rhagddynt. Rydym yn llwyr gefnogi honiadau'r Llywodraeth yn eitemau 4 a 5 a byddem hefyd yn annog Llywodraeth y DU i roi sylw i'r gofynion hyn. Rydym yn cydnabod cywirdeb y gwelliant a gyflwynwyd gan Darren Millar, ond yn tynnu sylw at y ffaith bod amodau sefydlu'r fasnachfraint yn ei gwneud yn anodd i Lywodraeth Cymru weithredu mewn ffordd y gallai'r cyhoedd yng Nghymru ei chymeradwyo - hynny yw, gwario arian i sybsideiddio cwmni preifat proffidiol. Yn dilyn y ddadl hon, wrth gwrs, byddem yn annog Llywodraeth Cymru i barhau â'i hymdrechion i sicrhau'r opsiynau gorau posibl mewn perthynas â cherbydau trenau cyn gynted ag y gall, ond gadewch inni gydnabod na ellir gwneud hyn dros nos.