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English: Yes. Of course, we're pleased to see more funding coming in to the foundational economy. I'm going to sound like I'm repeating myself here, but it does follow on from the programme for government for this term. It's important, I think, that we don't look at big, shiny projects alone as a way of emerging from this pandemic, but it's very important that the foundational economy has its place in this process. Of course, this is some kind of piecemeal response and an adaptation, in a way, to what's happening with the pandemic, and there's nothing wrong with that; it's important that that is done with the projects in place. But it's also important to see how the foundational economy will fit into the bigger picture, if you like, over the coming years, and that's something that is, perhaps, beyond the scope of this budget, but just to note that that's important. It's important that the foundational economy also looks at small businesses, I think. The move towards what we call the 'shift', therefore, to have that foundation of small businesses that are medium sized rather than small, and that'll be our focus, and trying to get the vision in the Senedd for our economy over the next five years to fit with that. We do welcome this, of course, but the £3 million is one small factor here - similar, also, to towns and the other pieces of this budget. It's the same kind of message, therefore: we're very pleased about them, but there will need to be a greater vision for them over the next five years.
Welsh: Ie. Wrth gwrs, rydym ni'n falch o weld mwy o arian yn dod i mewn i'r economi sylfaenol. Dwi'n gwybod dwi'n mynd i swnio fel fy mod i'n ailadrodd fy hun dipyn yn fan hyn, ond mae, wrth gwrs, yn dilyn ymlaen o'r rhaglen lywodraethu dros y tymor yma. Mae'n bwysig, rwy'n meddwl, ein bod ni'n peidio â sbïo ar big, shiny projects yn unig fel ffordd o ddod allan o'r pandemig yma, ond mae'n bwysig iawn bod yr economi sylfaenol yn cael ei le yn iawn yn fanna. Rŵan, mae hwn, wrth gwrs, yn rhyw fath o piecemeal ymateb ac 'adapt-io', o fath, i beth sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd efo'r pandemig, a does yna ddim byd o gwbl yn rong efo hynny; mae'n bwysig bod hynny'n cael ei wneud gyda'r prosiectau sydd mewn lle. Ond mae yn bwysig hefyd i weld sut y bydd yr economi sylfaenol yn ffitio i mewn yn y darlun cyfan, os liciwch chi, dros y blynyddoedd nesaf, ond mae hynny'n rhywbeth sydd, efallai, y tu allan i sgôp y budget yma, wrth gwrs, ond jest i nodi bod hynny'n bwysig. Mae'n bwysig bod yr economi sylfaenol hefyd yn edrych ar yr ochr busnes bach, dwi'n meddwl. Y symud i beth roedden ni'n ei alw yn 'symudol', felly, i gael y sylfaen yna o fusnesau bach sydd yn seis canolig yn hytrach na bach, a dyna fydd ein ffocws ni, a cheisio cael gweledigaeth o'r economi dros y pum mlynedd nesaf yn y Senedd yn ffitio â hynny. Rydym ni'n groesawgar o hwn, ond, wrth gwrs, un mater bychan ydy'r £3 miliwn yn fan hyn - yn debyg iawn, hefyd, i'r trefi a'r darnau eraill sydd yn y budget yma. Yr un math o neges felly: rydym ni'n falch iawn ohonyn nhw, ond bydd angen mwy o weledigaeth ar eu cyfer dros y pum mlynedd nesaf.
English: There we are. I think that we've received that message loud and clear. Turning now to infrastructure, is the Welsh Government targeting the right places with its additional investment for infrastructure for the next financial year? And if you could also answer this: the Government is now reviewing the successor to the Wales infrastructure investment plan, which will incorporate the principles around sustainability; do you think that that strategy is going to be a sensible approach to developing investment plans for infrastructure in the future?
Welsh: Dyna ni. Dwi'n meddwl ein bod ni'n cael y neges yna. Ac wedyn, i droi at y seilwaith, ydy Llywodraeth Cymru yn targedu'r mannau cywir efo'i buddsoddiad ychwanegol mewn seilwaith ar gyfer y flwyddyn ariannol nesaf? Ac os medrwch chi ateb hwn hefyd: mae'r Llywodraeth wrthi'n adolygu olynydd y cynllun buddsoddi yn seilwaith Cymru fydd yn ymgorffori egwyddorion o gwmpas cynaliadwyedd; ydych chi'n teimlo bod y strategaeth yna'n mynd i fod yn ddull synhwyrol o ddatblygu cynlluniau buddsoddi mewn seilwaith yn y dyfodol?
English: Okay. We've come to the end of our session with you, so thank you all very much for the evidence that you've given us. You will have a copy of the draft transcript to check that it's accurate. And with that, thank you for your attendance this morning. We'll be scrutinising the Minister next week, and I'm sure a number of the points that you have raised will be included in the discussion that we have with the Minister on Wednesday. So, thank you very much.
Welsh: Iawn. Ocê. Rydyn ni wedi dod i ddiwedd ein cyfnod gyda chi, felly diolch o galon i chi am y dystiolaeth rydych chi wedi'i rhoi i ni. Mi fyddwch chi'n cael copi o'r trawsgrifiad i wneud yn siŵr ei fod e'n gywir. A gyda hynny, felly, diolch i'r tri ohonoch chi am eich presenoldeb y bore yma. Mi fyddwn ni'n craffu'r Gweinidog yr wythnos nesaf. Dwi'n siŵr y bydd nifer o'r pwyntiau rydych chi wedi'u codi gyda ni yn rhai y byddwn ni'n eu cynnwys yn ein trafodaeth efo'r Gweinidog ddydd Mercher. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: We'll move on, therefore, to the next item, which is to move to a private session. So, I propose, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42 (ix), that the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting. Are Members content? I see that they are. There we are, so we'll move into a private session. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Fe awn ni ymlaen, felly, at yr eitem nesaf, sef i symud i sesiwn breifat. Felly, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.42 (ix), dwi'n cynnig bod y pwyllgor yn penderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Ydy Aelodau yn fodlon â hynny? Pawb yn fodlon, felly dyna ni, mi wnawn ni symud, felly, i sesiwn breifat. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Thank you very much, Chair, and a warm welcome to all four of you to this meeting. Yes, we held an evidence session on this issue back in May 2019. Now, a great deal has changed since May 2019. We have discovered a new global pandemic, for example. But could I start with a general question first of all and ask each of you in turn, in your view how has the UK's EU settlement scheme progressed since you last gave evidence in May 2019, or since May 2019 if you weren't here at that particular point? I don't know who'd like to kick off. Jonathan Portes?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Gadeirydd, a chroeso i'r pedwar ohonoch chi i'r cyfarfod yma yn swyddogol. Ie, roedd gyda ni sesiwn dystiolaeth ar hyn yn ôl ym mis Mai 2019. Nawr, mae yna lot wedi newid ers mis Mai 2019. Rydyn ni wedi darganfod afiechyd byd-eang newydd, er enghraifft. Ond a allaf ddechrau efo cwestiwn cyffredinol i ddechrau, a holi i bob un ohonoch chi yn eich tro, yn eich barn chi sut mae'r cynllun preswylio'n sefydlog i ddinasyddion yr Undeb Ewropeaidd wedi datblygu ers i chi roi tystiolaeth inni yn ôl ym mis Mai 2019, neu ers mis Mai 2019 os nad oeddech chi yma ym mis Mai 2019? Dwi ddim yn gwybod pwy sydd eisiau dechrau. Jonathan Portes?
English: Thank you, Chair. I have no further questions. The answers were very comprehensive indeed, and thank you very much. I'll allow Alun Davies to develop on those themes. Thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Does gen i ddim cwestiynau eraill. Mae atebion cynhwysfawr wedi dod ger bron, a diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. Gwnaf i adael i Alun Davies ddatblygu'r themâu rŵan. Diolch, Gadeirydd.
English: Good morning, I'm Annwen Morgan, chief executive of Isle of Anglesey County Council.
Welsh: Bore da, Annwen Morgan, prif weithredwraig Cyngor Sir Ynys Môn.
English: Good morning. Gethin Morgan, programme manager, business planning and performance, Isle of Anglesey County Council.
Welsh: Bore da. Gethin Morgan, rheolwr cynllunio busnes, rhaglen a pherfformiad, Cyngor Sir Ynys Môn.
English: Good morning. I'm Diana Davies, corporate manager of partnerships and performance for Ceredigion County Council.
Welsh: Bore da, Diana Davies ydw i. Dwi'n rheolwr corfforaethol ar bartneriaethau a pherfformiad i Gyngor Sir Ceredigion.
English: Would you like me to start, because Anglesey is at the top and my name begins with 'A'? [ Laughter.]
Welsh: Ydych chi eisiau i fi ddechrau, gan fod sir Fôn ar y top a bod fy enw'n dechrau efo 'A'? [ Chwerthin.]
English: We'll accept that reasoning. So, the main challenges are the capacity and the resources to implement the changes. I would say that awareness of the Act is good among managers and the leadership in Anglesey, but the capacity: there are no additional resources and there's no capacity. Local government has gone through a period of cuts and is continuing to make savings - we'll call it that - in recent years, and so there is no additional capacity, if you like, to embed this Act in the day-to-day work. Of course, every council is doing what they can, in terms of training, awareness raising and through specific examples, and I'm sure we'll have time to share those specific examples with everyone around the table this morning. But I would say that those are the main challenges. Looking to the future, then, we don't know what the impact of Brexit will be, we don't know what the economic impact will be, and, certainly, we don't know what the long-term impact will be when we come out of this pandemic, for example, the impact on mental health, staff absence, and the higher demands that we may have on all our services in order to provide services for all of our communities. Thank you. I don't know whether Gethin wants to add anything to that.
Welsh: Mi wnawn ni gymryd y rhesymeg yna. Y prif sialensau ydy capasiti a'r adnoddau i weithredu'r newidiadau. Buaswn i'n dweud bod yr ymwybyddiaeth o'r Ddeddf yn dda ymhlith rheolwyr ac arweinyddiaeth ym Môn, ond y capasiti: does yna ddim arian ychwanegol, does yna ddim capasiti. Mae llywodraeth leol wedi mynd drwy gyfnod o doriadau ac yn parhau i wneud arbedion - galwn ni o felly - yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf yma, ac felly does yna ddim capasiti ychwanegol, os liciwch chi, i wreiddio'r Ddeddf yma mewn gwaith o ddydd i ddydd. Wrth gwrs, mae pob cyngor yn gwneud beth allan nhw, drwy hyfforddiant, drwy godi ymwybyddiaeth a thrwy enghreifftiau penodol, a dwi'n siŵr y cawn ni gyfle i rannu'r enghreifftiau penodol yna efo pawb o gwmpas y bwrdd y bore yma. Ond buaswn i'n dweud mai dyna ydy'r prif sialensau. Ac i wynebu'r dyfodol wedyn, dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth fydd effaith Brexit, dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth fydd yr effaith ar yr economi, ac yn sicr dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth fydd yr effeithiau hirdymor pan ddown ni allan o'r pandemig yma, er enghraifft, yr effaith ar iechyd meddwl, absenoldebau staff ac efallai y gofynion uwch fydd gennym ni yn ein holl wasanaethau er mwyn gwasanaethu wedyn ein holl gymunedau. Diolch. Dwi ddim yn gwybod os ydy Gethin eisiau ychwanegu rhywbeth pellach.
English: No, nothing more from me, Annwen. I think that you have hit the nail on the head with that response. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Na, dim mwy gennyf fi, Annwen. Dwi'n meddwl eich bod chi wedi taro'r hoelen ar ei phen yn fanna gyda'r ymateb. Diolch.
English: Just one thing, if I may, to echo Alun there. I think that the part where we'd reached before the pandemic, we thought that we had done some good work in terms of communicating the nature of the Act and what it means. But I think the biggest challenge at that time, before COVID, was to get people to understand that the Act wasn't just a piece of legislation that was a standalone piece of legislation, but it was supposed to lead all of our work and it needed to be embedded in everything that we do. And also, the challenge in terms of getting everyone to understand the opportunity that the Act provides, and I would say that that's more to do with the public, because to get the Act to be successful and to realise what the Act is going to allow them to do, we need to work very closely with our communities and our residents. And I think the more the residents understand the implications of the Act, that will assist us as we move forward. So, I think those were the pre-COVID challenges, but I do agree with what everyone has said in terms of the situation that we are in now. Thank you.
Welsh: Jest un peth i ategu, os caf i, Alun. Dwi'n credu y rhan lle roedden ni wedi cyrraedd cyn y pandemig, roeddwn i'n credu ein bod ni wedi gwneud gwaith da yn cyfathrebu beth yw'r Ddeddf a beth mae'n ei olygu. Ond dwi'n credu'r her fwyaf inni ar y pryd hynny, cyn COVID, oedd cael pobl i ddeall nad oedd y Ddeddf yn ddarn o ddeddfwriaeth oedd yn eistedd ar ei phen ei hunan, ei bod hi'n rhywbeth sydd i fod i arwain ein gwaith ni i gyd, a bod eisiau i hwnna dreiddio trwyddo ar gyfer popeth rŷn ni'n ei wneud. A hefyd, yr her yna, dwi'n credu, o gael pawb i ddeall y cyfle mae'r Ddeddf yn ei ddarparu, ac mae hwnna, byddwn i'n dweud, yn fwy gyda'r cyhoedd. Achos, wrth gwrs, i gael y Ddeddf i fod yn llwyddiannus ac i wir wireddu'r hyn mae'r Ddeddf yn mynd i'w galluogi nhw i wneud, mae eisiau inni weithio yn agos gyda'n cymunedau a'n trigolion ni. A dwi'n credu po fwyaf fydd y trigolion yn deall goblygiadau'r Ddeddf, bydd hwnna'n ein cynorthwyo ni wrth inni symud ymlaen. Felly, dwi'n credu mai dyna oedd yr heriau cyn COVID, ond wedyn dwi'n cytuno â beth mae pawb arall wedi'i ddweud, o ran y sefyllfa rŷn ni ynddi nawr, wrth gwrs. Diolch.
English: Thank you very much, Chair, and good morning, everyone. Well, you started exactly where I wanted to go, namely on the awareness and understanding of the Act. Annwen mentioned at the outset that there is good awareness among managers in Anglesey - I would expect that to be true, of course - but as Diana suggested, we need understanding further down the chain. So, I just wanted to ask: to what extent is there genuine understanding of the implications and the meaning of the Act within your organisations, throughout the organisation, not just in the tiers that deal directly with managing and responding to legislation?
Welsh: Ie, diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd. Bore da, bawb. Wel, rŷch chi wedi dechrau yn union lle roeddwn i eisiau mynd, a dweud y gwir, sef ar ôl ymwybyddiaeth a dealltwriaeth o'r Ddeddf. Mi soniodd Annwen ar y cychwyn fod yna ymwybyddiaeth dda ymhlith rheolwyr ym Môn - byddwn i'n disgwyl bod hynny'n wir, wrth gwrs - ond wedyn, fel awgrymodd Diana, mae angen dealltwriaeth ymhellach i lawr y tsiaen hefyd, onid oes e? Wedyn, roeddwn i jest eisiau cychwyn drwy ofyn, a dweud y gwir: i ba raddau mae yna wir ddealltwriaeth o oblygiadau ac ystyr y Ddeddf o fewn eich sefydliad chi drwyddi draw, yn hytrach na dim ond efallai yn yr haenau sy'n ymwneud yn fwy uniongyrchol â rheoli ac ymateb i ddeddfwriaeth?
English: Well, I'm going to give a very simple answer, but I'm going to ask Gethin to give specific examples. I would say that it varies. To give you an answer in one word: great variation. Gethin.
Welsh: Iawn. Dwi'n mynd i roi ateb syml, syml, a dwi am droi at Gethin i roi enghreifftiau penodol. Buaswn i'n dweud bod o'n amrywiol. I ateb eich cwestiwn chi mewn gair: yn amrywiol iawn. Gethin.
English: Thank you, Annwen. I think, in response to the question, in terms of Anglesey council, we took a pragmatic approach to issues when the Act came into force. And in that sense, we focused on assuring ourselves - and assuring ourselves as much as possible - that we were embedding the five ways of working that are associated with the Act, and that, really, has been our focus as a council: that we can ensure that they are implemented, but also that we can ensure that they can be evidenced. And in terms of evidencing this, we've been able to ensure that they are a core part of our annual service delivery plans. We also ensure that we ask the relevant questions in terms of when we take them before our executive and the scrutiny committees, and, as well as that, I think that they are challenged and that they are questioned, I'm sure, in the forums that we have of mangers across the council. And that is happening on a quarterly basis if not more often more recently because of, obviously, the period that we're in.
Welsh: Diolch, Annwen. Ie, dwi'n credu, yn ymateb i'r cwestiwn, o ran Cyngor Sir Ynys Môn, dwi'n meddwl gwnaethon ni gymryd approach eithaf pragmatig ar faterion pan ddaeth y Ddeddf i rym. Ac yn hynny o beth, gwnaethon ni ganolbwyntio ar sicrhau'n hunain - a sicrhau'n hunain cystal â phosibl - ein bod ni'n gwreiddio'r pum ffordd o weithio sy'n gysylltiedig â'r Ddeddf mewn lle, a hwnnw, rili, sydd wedi bod yn ffocws inni fel cyngor: ein bod ni'n medru sicrhau eu bod nhw'n cael eu gweithredu, ond hefyd ein bod ni'n medru sicrhau eu bod nhw'n cael eu tystiolaethu. Ac yn y modd o ran tystiolaethu, rydyn ni wedi medru sicrhau eu bod nhw'n greiddiol yn ein cynlluniau darparu gwasanaeth blynyddol. Rydyn ni hefyd yn sicrhau ein bod ni'n gofyn y cwestiynau perthnasol o safbwynt pan rydyn ni'n mynd â nhw o flaen ein pwyllgor gwaith ni a'r pwyllgorau craffu, ac yn ychwanegol i hynny, dwi'n meddwl eu bod nhw'n cael eu herio ac yn cael eu cwestiynu, mae'n siŵr, mewn fforymau sydd gennym ni o reolwyr ar draws y cyngor. Ac mae hwnna'n digwydd yn chwarterol os nad yn fwy aml yn ddiweddar oherwydd, yn amlwg, y cyfnod rydyn ni ynddo.
English: Of course. And in the context of Ceredigion, within the council initially.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs. Ac yng nghyd-destun Ceredigion, o safbwynt o fewn y cyngor i gychwyn.
English: Well, I would say that one of things that we've done is develop training and also enable and expect all staff members to undertake training online on this, which is something we've developed. So, that's something that we expect every staff member to undertake, that training, so that does mean that the staff are aware of it. As well as that, we have an integrated impact assessment every time we look at new policies or take policies to the council or to the cabinet in the council, and that means that that checklist does mention the Act, and the way in which we operate and the seven well-being goals. And so everyone has to go through that document when they start to think about their new policies before they take them any further. And so that is also available for scrutiny, for them to see how much work has been done on the Act. So, that way, we do embed the Act quite well, I would think. Of course, it is easy for people to focus on their own work and not think about the Act, but the IIA draws them back into doing that. And we also have a role in monitoring them to see how many of them have been done, and sometimes, if something is going without one, we need to pick up the phone and ask people, 'Well, have you considered that you need to do this?' and then, of course, sometimes they have to wait until the next cabinet meeting while that gets done.
Welsh: Wel, bydden i'n dweud mai un o'r pethau dŷn ni wedi'i wneud yw datblygu hyfforddiant a hefyd galluogi a disgwyl pob aelod o staff i wneud yr hyfforddiant drwy'r we, ac mae e'n rhywbeth rŷn ni wedi'i ddatblygu. So, mae hwnna'n rhywbeth: rŷn ni'n disgwyl bod pob aelod o staff yn gwneud yr hyfforddiant hynny, felly mae hwnna'n meddwl bod staff yn ymwybodol ohono fe. Yn ogystal â hynny, mae gyda ni integrated impact assessment bob tro rŷn ni'n edrych ar bolisïau newydd neu'n mynd â pholisi i'r cyngor neu i'r cabinet yn y cyngor sir, ac mae hwnna'n meddwl wedyn bod checklist fanna yn sôn am yr Act, a'r ffordd rŷn ni'n gweithio a'r saith nod. Ac felly mae'n rhaid i bawb fynd drwyddo'r ddogfen honno pan maen nhw'n dechrau meddwl am eu polisïau newydd cyn eu bod nhw'n mynd â nhw ymhellach. Wedyn mae hwnna hefyd ar gael i scrutiny, iddyn nhw gael gweld faint o waith sydd wedi cael ei wneud ynglŷn â'r Act. So, drwy'r ffordd hynny, rŷn ni'n treiddio'r Ddeddf yn eithaf da, byddwn i'n meddwl. Wrth gwrs, mae e'n hawdd i bobl i ganolbwyntio ar eu gwaith nhw eu hunain a ddim meddwl am yr Act, ond mae'r IIA yn eu tynnu nhw nôl i wneud hwnna. Ac mae rôl gyda ni hefyd i'w monitro nhw i weld faint ohonyn nhw sy'n cael eu gwneud, ac, ambell waith, os oes rhywbeth yn mynd heb un, fe wnawn ni godi'r ffôn a gofyn, 'Ydych chi wedi ystyried bod angen ichi wneud hwn?' ac wedyn maen nhw, ambell waith, yn gorfod aros nes y cabinet nesaf tra'u bod nhw'n ei wneud e.
English: So, are there any decisions that are being made now that wouldn't have been made previously? Because the risk with something like this is that it's just three additional questions on an impact assessment. That's the risk. But, basically, are there any decisions within your councils that are different now to what they would have been if we hadn't had the Act?
Welsh: Felly, oes yna benderfyniadau wedi cael eu gwneud nawr fyddai ddim wedi cael eu gwneud yn flaenorol? Achos y perygl yn aml iawn gyda rhywbeth fel hyn yw bod e jest yn dri chwestiwn ychwanegol ar impact assessment neu rywbeth. Dyna'r perygl. Ond, yn ei hanfod, oes yna benderfyniadau o fewn eich cynghorau chi sydd yn wahanol nawr i beth fydden nhw oni bai bod y Ddeddf wedi'i chyflwyno?
English: To start, I don't think there are any different decisions; what there is, is that the decisions that are made are maybe more meaningful and take consideration of the five ways of working, and certainly consider the long term. I think that one of the biggest challenges we have, it was a decision within the council, but in working - . We all know about the development of Wylfa Newydd and the plan to put pylons across the island, and one thing that the Act did assist us with was reminding the developers of the importance of the Act and the fact that no decision is made in Wales without considering the five ways of working and the seven goals. So, certainly, that assisted us in terms of protecting communities and thinking more long term. Not being against the decision, I'm not saying that, but that the decision was more considerate or meaningful. But, of course, you had - not tension, I wouldn't call it that - but you had maybe a lack of understanding among people who were doing the developing from another country, a lack of awareness of the Act, and from bodies and other Governments in terms of the importance of the Act in Wales. Those are two examples there that helped or assisted with a decision that we wished to see on Ynys Môn.
Welsh: I gychwyn, dwi ddim yn meddwl bod yna benderfyniadau gwahanol; beth sydd yna ydy bod y penderfyniadau sy'n cael eu gwneud, efallai, yn fwy ystyrlon ac yn ystyried y pum ffordd o weithio, ac yn sicr yn meddwl yn hirdymor. Dwi'n meddwl mai un enghraifft o'r sialensau mwyaf sydd gyda ni, roedd o'n benderfyniad o fewn y cyngor, oedd, ond o weithio - . Rydyn ni i gyd yn gwybod am ddatblygiad Wylfa Newydd a'r bwriad i roi peilonau ar draws yr ynys, ac un ffordd roedd y Ddeddf yn ein cynorthwyo ni oedd, os liciwch chi, atgoffa'r datblygwyr o bwysigrwydd y Ddeddf a'r ffaith nad oes unrhyw benderfyniad yn cael ei wneud yng Nghymru bellach heb ystyried y pum ffordd o weithio a'r saith nod. Wedyn yn sicr roedd hwnna o gymorth, os liciwch chi, i warchod cymunedau ac i feddwl yn fwy hirdymor. Dim bod yn erbyn y penderfyniad o gwbl, nid dyna dwi'n ddweud, ond bod y penderfyniad, os liciwch chi, yn fwy ystyrlon. Ond, wrth gwrs, mi oeddech chi'n cael - nid tensiwn buaswn i'n ei alw fo - ond roeddech chi'n cael efallai diffyg dealltwriaeth gan y bobl oedd yn datblygu o wlad arall, diffyg ymwybyddiaeth o'r Ddeddf, ac o gyrff ac o Lywodraethau eraill o bwysigrwydd y Ddeddf yng Nghymru. Dyna ichi ddwy enghraifft yn fanna oedd yn helpu'r penderfyniad roedden ni yn ei ddymuno ar Ynys Môn.
English: So, the context of the conversation was different.
Welsh: So, roedd cyd-destun y drafodaeth yn wahanol i bob pwrpas, onid e?
English: Yes, it was very different.
Welsh: Oedd, yn hollol wahanol.