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English: Welcome back, everyone, to the latest evidence session of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee today at the Senedd. We've reached item 6, a continuation of our inquiry into mental health in policing and police custody. This is the evidence session with the Minister for Health and Social Services. Of course, Members will know that we have been holding this one-day inquiry today in this field, and this is the final evidence session. So, to that end, I'm very happy to welcome Vaughan Gething, Minister for Health and Social Services. Also, welcome to Joanna Jordan, director of mental health, NHS governance and corporate services at the Welsh Government; and Matt Downton, senior medical officer [ Correction: 'head of mental health and vulnerable groups'] at the Welsh Government. So, welcome to the three of you. Thank you for the written evidence in advance. We'll go straight into questions. There are numerous questions, so brief questions and brief answers, even. Vikki to begin.
Welsh: Croeso nôl, bawb, i'r adran olaf o'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd heddiw. Dŷn ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 6 erbyn rŵan - parhad efo'r ymchwiliad i iechyd meddwl yng nghyd-destun plismona a dalfa'r heddlu. Dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol. Wrth gwrs, bydd Aelodau'n ymwybodol, dŷn ni wedi bod yn cynnal yr ymchwiliad undydd yma heddiw yn y maes yma, a hon ydy'r sesiwn dystiolaeth olaf. Felly, i'r perwyl yna, rwy'n falch iawn o groesawu i'r bwrdd Vaughan Gething, y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol. Croeso hefyd i Joanna Jordan, cyfarwyddwr iechyd meddwl, llywodraethiant a gwasanaethau corfforaethol y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol, Llywodraeth Cymru; ac hefyd Matt Downton, uwch-swyddog meddygol [ Cywiriad: 'pennaeth yr is-adran iechyd meddwl a grwpiau agored i niwed'] Llywodraeth Cymru. Croeso i chi'ch tri. Diolch am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw. Yn ôl ein traddodiad, mi awn yn syth mewn i gwestiynau. Mae yna nifer helaeth o gwestiynau, felly cwestiynau cryno ac atebion cryno, hyd yn oed. Vikki, i ddechrau.
English: Okay. The next questions are from Helen Mary Jones.
Welsh: Ocê. Mae'r cwestiynau nesaf o dan ofal Helen Mary Jones.
English: Content? Moving on now, then, to dealing with the mental health crisis care concordat, and David Rees is asking the questions. David.
Welsh: Hapus? Dŷn ni'n symud ymlaen nawr i ymdrin â'r concordat gofal argyfwng iechyd meddwl, ac mae David Rees yn gofyn y cwestiynau. David.
English: Happy? Any questions? No. That's the end of the questions, so the end of the session. Thank you very much for attending, and also for providing the written evidence in advance. You will receive a transcript of the proceedings so that you can check for factual accuracy as usual, but with those few words, thank you very much.
Welsh: Hapus? Unrhyw gwestiwn? Na. Diwedd y cwestiynau, felly diwedd y sesiwn. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am eich presenoldeb, ac hefyd am ddarparu'r dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw. Mi fyddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r drafodaeth er mwyn i chi wirio ei fod o'n ffeithiol gywir fel arfer, ond gyda hynny, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi.
English: And moving on, to my fellow Members, we've now reached item 8, which is a motion under Standing Order 17.42 (vi) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting. All content? All content. So, we will exclude the public. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Symud ymlaen, i'm cyd-Aelodau, dŷn ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 8 rŵan, a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 (vi) i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod yma. Ydy pawb yn gytûn? Pawb yn gytûn, felly wnawn ni wahardd y cyhoedd. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. Increasing the use of the Welsh language, particularly in the workplace, is a central part of your Government's strategy to reach a million Welsh speakers. Of course, we've seen recently some cases, for example in the context of the national library, which has had an internal policy in favour of the Welsh language that it has implemented successfully over the years, where one of your Ministers did everything within his ability to try to challenge the wishes of the national library to appoint a national librarian where the Welsh language was essential. Even more recently, this week in the Chamber, in response to calls to ensure that the deputy chief executive of Cartrefi Cymunedol Gwynedd is able to communicate through the medium of Welsh, your Welsh language Minister argued that calling for linguistic requirements represented unacceptable discrimination. Now, given those comments by two of your Ministers, what does that tell us about the Government's attitude towards the Welsh language?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd. Mae cynyddu defnydd o'r Gymraeg, yn enwedig yn y gweithle, wrth gwrs, yn rhan ganolog o strategaeth eich Llywodraeth chi i gyrraedd miliwn o siaradwyr. Wrth gwrs, rŷn ni wedi gweld yn ddiweddar achosion, er enghraifft yng nghyd-destun y llyfrgell genedlaethol, sydd wedi bod â pholisi mewnol o blaid y Gymraeg ac wedi gweithredu hwnnw'n llwyddiannus dros y blynyddoedd, lle gwnaeth un o'ch Gweinidogion chi, wrth gwrs, wneud popeth o fewn ei allu i geisio herio dymuniad y llyfrgell genedlaethol i benodi prif lyfrgellydd lle oedd y Gymraeg yn ofynnol. Yn fwy diweddar, yr wythnos yma yn y Siambr, mewn ymateb i alwadau i sicrhau bod dirprwy brif weithredwr Cartrefi Cymunedol Gwynedd yn medru'r Gymraeg, mi wnaeth eich Gweinidog iaith Gymraeg chi ddadlau bod galw am ofynion ieithyddol yn cynrychioli discrimineddio annerbyniol. Nawr, beth mae sylwadau dau o'ch Gweinidogion chi ynglŷn â hyn yn dweud am agwedd y Llywodraeth tuag at y Gymraeg?
English: But if an institution wishes to have a requirement that a post should be Welsh-essential, then surely it's not the place of Government Ministers - without making reference to any specific case; it could happen anywhere - but it's not the place of Welsh Government Ministers to undermine that, surely. Because it's been a long battle to reach the point where people accept that there are posts where the Welsh language is essential and that is a valid requirement, and the narrative we're getting back from Government is that either they are intervening and trying to challenge that directly, or another Minister is suggesting that there's an element of discrimination happening when that is the case.
Welsh: Ond os yw'r sefydliad yn ewyllysio neu'n dymuno cael gofyniad bod y Gymraeg yn rhan hanfodol o'r swydd yna, yna does bosib mai lle Gweinidogion y Llywodraeth - heb gyfeirio at unrhyw achos yn benodol; fe allai ddigwydd mewn unrhyw sefyllfa - nid lle Gweinidogion y Llywodraeth yw tanseilio hynny, does bosib. Achos mae wedi bod yn frwydr hir i gyrraedd y pwynt lle mae pobl yn derbyn bod swyddi lle mae'r Gymraeg yn ofynnol yn ddilys, a'r naratif rŷm ni'n ei gael nôl oddi wrth y Llywodraeth yw naill ai bod nhw'n ymyrryd ac yn trio herio hynny'n uniongyrchol, neu fod yna Weinidog arall yn awgrymu bod yna elfen o ddisgrimineiddio yn digwydd pan fo hynny'n digwydd.
English: Just to conclude on this, would you use the word 'discrimination' when it comes to this discussion?
Welsh: Jest i gloi ar hwn, a fyddech chi'n defnyddio'r term 'disgrimineiddio' pan mae'n dod i'r drafodaeth yna?
English: Yes, thank you very much, Chair. An opportunity to philosophise a little, if you like, because some of us are old enough to remember when all of our buses were in public hands, as were our trains, which were also in the public sector, and, of course, I believe that there's a need to develop systems. We have an opportunity now, I hope. We can anticipate developing a metro system in the south east, Swansea bay, as well as in north Wales - so, there's an opportunity for us to develop an integrated, modern system that would be in public hands. Would you agree with me that there's an opportunity to develop public transport authorities, either at a local or regional level? That would be a positive step forward. And, of course, we could all agree that the market has failed in a number of areas in terms of the provision of public transport at the moment, so would you also agree with me that developing bus and train companies that are in public ownership would also be a means of filling those gaps in our transport system as it currently stands in Wales?
Welsh: Ie, diolch yn fawr, Cadeirydd. Cyfle i athronyddu ychydig bach, os ŷch chi eisiau, achos mae rhai ohonon ni'n ddigon hen i gofio pan oedd ein bysys ni i gyd yn fusnes cyhoeddus, a hefyd ein trenau, yn rhyfeddol, yn dal o dan reolaeth y sector cyhoeddus, ac, wrth gwrs, dwi'n gweld yr angen i ddatblygu systemau. Mae gyda ni gyfle, buaswn i'n gobeithio. Dŷn ni'n gallu rhagweld datblygu systemau metro yn y de ddwyrain, bae Abertawe, yn y gogledd - cyfle i ni ddatblygu system integredig, fodern o dan ofal cyhoeddus, buaswn i'n fodlon dadlau. Fyddech chi, felly, yn cytuno bod yna gyfle fan hyn i ddatblygu awdurdodau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, un ai'n rhanbarthol neu'n lleol? Buasai hynny'n gam positif ymlaen. Ac, wrth gwrs, buasen ni i gyd yn gallu cytuno bod y farchnad wedi ffaelu mewn sawl lle ynglŷn â darpariaeth trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus ar hyn o bryd, felly, fyddech chi hefyd yn cytuno bod datblygu cwmnïau bysys a threnau sydd o dan berchnogaeth gyhoeddus hefyd yn fodd i lenwi'r bylchau yn ein system trafnidiaeth bresennol ni yng Nghymru?
English: Thank you for the question. Of course, we say sometimes that the rail system that we have is still in the public sector, but the Governments of Germany and France are the ones who run that, not us. That's why my party, the Labour Party, in the last general election, suggested taking it back into public hands. We still think that that is the best way to create an integrated transport system on the rail side in the future. We have tried our level best, under the powers that we have already, when we ran the system, in terms of how we were going to do it after Arriva here in Wales, to try to do it in that kind of fashion. I'm sure that Members will have seen the White Paper that Ken Skates has published on the bus side. That does suggest ways to use the new powers that we have to give more powers to local authorities, or to create some kind of regional system, where we pull the local authorities together to use the new powers to plan our system for the future. Many more people use buses than use trains; we know that. And there is more that we can do in terms of the funding that we spend on behalf of the public in Wales in that way to do more to plan for the future and to create a public transport system that pulls buses, trains and other means of transport together under the umbrella of the public interest, as we call it in English.
Welsh: Wel, diolch am y cwestiwn. Wrth gwrs, rŷn ni'n dweud, onid ydyn ni, ambell waith, fod y system reilffordd sydd gyda ni'n dal i fod o dan y sector cyhoeddus, ond Llywodraeth yr Almaen a'r Llywodraeth yn Ffrainc sy'n ei rhedeg, nid ni. Dyna pam mai fy mhlaid i, y Blaid Lafur, yn yr etholiad cyffredinol diwethaf, oedd yn awgrymu tynnu'r rheilffordd nôl o dan y sector cyhoeddus. Rŷn ni'n dal i feddwl mai hwnna yw'r ffordd orau i greu system trafnidiaeth integredig ar ochr y rheilffyrdd yn y dyfodol. Rŷn ni wedi trio ein gorau glas, o dan y pwerau sydd gyda ni'n barod, pan oedden ni'n rhedeg y system, o ran sut rŷn ni'n mynd i'w wneud e ar ôl Arriva yma yng Nghymru, i drio ei wneud e'n fwy fel yna. Dwi'n siŵr bydd Aelodau wedi gweld y Papur Gwyn y mae Ken Skates wedi'i gyhoeddi ar ochr y bysys. Mae hwn yn awgrymu ffyrdd i ddefnyddio'r pwerau newydd sydd gyda ni i roi mwy o bwerau i'r awdurdodau lleol, neu i greu rhyw fath o system ranbarthol, ble rŷn ni'n tynnu'r awdurdodau lleol at ei gilydd i ddefnyddio'r pwerau newydd i gynllunio ein system am y dyfodol. Mae lot mwy o bobl yn defnyddio bysys nag yn defnyddio trenau; rŷn ni'n gwybod hynny. Ac mae mwy rŷn ni'n gallu ei wneud gyda'r arian rŷm ni'n ei wario ar ran y cyhoedd yng Nghymru yn y ffordd yna i wneud mwy i gynllunio am y dyfodol a chreu system trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus sy'n tynnu bysys, trenau a ffyrdd eraill at ei gilydd ac eu tynnu nhw o dan ymbarél y public interest, fel rŷn ni'n ei alw e yn Saesneg.
English: Well, I don't think that we do, Chair. We haven't seen anything yet. As you know, the UK Government said several times that they were preparing a document to go out to the public in order for all of us to be able to say what we thought about the suggestions in it. They said that before Christmas, and they said that they were going to publish the paper early in the new year, but we're still in the same situation. We haven't seen anything yet. I will just say clearly once again that it's not acceptable for us at all if the paper is going to suggest a way ahead where funding can be withdrawn from Wales and powers can be withdrawn from Wales as well. And just going back to the question that Mick asked about the Wales Office, just to be clear, if that's what they're going to suggest, there will be an argument between us and them.
Welsh: Wel, dw i ddim yn meddwl ein bod ni, Cadeirydd. Dwi ddim wedi gweld dim byd eto. Fel dŷch chi'n gwybod, roedd Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig wedi dweud sawl gwaith eu bod nhw'n paratoi dogfen i fynd mas i'r cyhoedd er mwyn i ni i gyd ddweud beth oeddem ni'n meddwl am yr awgrymiadau. Roedden nhw'n dweud hynny cyn y Nadolig, ac roedden nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw'n mynd i gyhoeddi'r papur yn gynnar yn y flwyddyn newydd, ond rŷn ni'n dal i fod yn yr un sefyllfa. Dŷn ni ddim wedi gweld dim byd. Fe alla i jest dweud yn glir unwaith eto dydy hi ddim yn dderbyniol i ni o gwbl os bydd y papur yn awgrymu ffordd ymlaen lle mae arian yn gallu mynd mas o Gymru a phwerau'n mynd mas o Gymru hefyd. A jest i fynd yn ôl nawr i'r cwestiwn roedd Mick wedi'i ofyn am y Swyddfa Gymreig, jest i fod yn glir, os mai dyna beth maen nhw'n mynd i'w awgrymu, bydd ffrae rhyngom ni a nhw.
English: Well, that argument seems to be in the pipeline, because Jonathan Edwards, Plaid Cymru MP, asked Alun Cairns, the Secretary of State, about this at the Welsh Affairs Committee this week, and the Secretary of State refused to confirm that the funding would come to Wales for distribution, as European funding does currently. But he also suggested that there may be more creative ways of distributing the money. He mentioned that it could go directly to local authorities or directly to individual projects. So, clearly, you would feel, if that were to be the case, that that would be a matter of concern for us all.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n debyg bod ffrae ar ei ffordd felly, achos mi wnaeth Jonathan Edwards, Aelod Seneddol Plaid Cymru, ofyn i Alun Cairns, yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol, am hyn yn y Pwyllgor Materion Cymreig yr wythnos yma, ac mi wnaeth yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol wrthod cadarnhau y byddai'r arian yn dod i Gymru i'w ddosbarthu, fel y mae arian Ewropeaidd yn ei wneud ar hyn o bryd, wrth gwrs. Ond gwnaeth e hefyd awgrymu efallai bod yna ffyrdd mwy creadigol o rannu'r arian. Gwnaeth e sôn efallai byddai'r arian yn gallu mynd yn uniongyrchol i awdurdodau lleol neu'n uniongyrchol i brojectau unigol. Felly, yn amlwg, byddech chi'n teimlo, felly, os ydy hynny'n digwydd, byddai hynny o ofid i ni i gyd.
English: Well, Chair, I don't think - I haven't seen advice on those exact points, but the legal advice I've seen suggests that there are no powers with the UK Government to fund people directly in that fashion. So, they will have to have a new Act through the House of Commons to help the Secretary of State to do what he's suggesting he's going to do, and I don't see that happening. Also, they don't have the mechanism to do that. Wales in 2019 is not the same place as it was before devolution. So, the UK Government doesn't have people on the ground to do the practical work to work with these projects as the Secretary of State suggested. So, just on a practical level, that is not going to work, unless - . For us, the idea doesn't work in terms of the relationship between us and the UK Government in a period of devolution.
Welsh: Wel, Cadeirydd, dwi ddim yn meddwl - dwi ddim wedi gweld cyngor yn union ar y pwyntiau yna, ond mae'r cyngor cyfreithiol dwi wedi ei weld yn awgrymu does dim pwerau, ar hyn o bryd, gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i ariannu pobl yn syth fel yna. So, bydd yn rhaid iddyn nhw fynd â Deddf newydd trwy'r Tŷ Cyffredin i helpu'r Ysgrifennydd Gwladol i wneud beth mae e'n awgrymu ei wneud, a dwi ddim yn gweld hynny'n digwydd. A hefyd, jest does dim y mecanwaith gyda nhw i wneud e. Dydy Cymru yn 2019 ddim yr un lle ag yr oedd hi cyn datganoli. So, does dim pobl ar lawr y tir gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig i wneud y gwaith ymarferol i weithio gyda'r projectau fel yr oedd yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn ei awgrymu. So, jest ar lefel ymarferol, dyw hwnna ddim yn mynd i weithio, oni bai - . I ni, dydy'r syniad ddim yn gweithio ar ochr y berthynas rhwng y Llywodraeth yma a Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig mewn cyfnod o ddatganoli.
English: May I - ?
Welsh: Gaf i - ?
English: And another thing that the Secretary of State failed to do in that same meeting of the Welsh Affairs Committee was to confirm that the funding that would come to Wales would correspond at least to the sums that we currently receive. Now, if that were to happen and we were to receive less money under a new arrangement, do you think that it's fair for the people of Wales to feel that they have been misled and betrayed?
Welsh: A'r peth arall methodd Ysgrifennydd Gwladol Cymru ei wneud yn yr un Pwyllgor Materion Cymreig oedd cadarnhau y byddai'r arian sy'n dod i Gymru yn cyfateb o leiaf i'r symiau rŷn ni'n eu derbyn ar hyn o bryd. Nawr, petai hynny'n digwydd, petawn ni'n derbyn llai o arian o dan unrhyw drefniant newydd, a ydych chi'n credu ei bod hi'n deg i bobl Cymru deimlo eu bod nhw wedi cael eu twyllo, wedi cael eu bradychu?
English: Well, of course, because, in the referendum, we heard the leader of the Conservatives here in Wales saying -
Welsh: Wel, wrth gwrs, achos, yn y refferendwm, roedden ni'n clywed arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr yma yng Nghymru yn dweud -
English: One further question - in Welsh this time. You have mentioned Scotland many times, and, of course, Scotland has gone through this process already and has had to deal with new arrangements. In what way can we learn, therefore, from what's happened in Scotland? Is it possible to transfer the model from Scotland straight to Wales? You mention, of course, the use of language - and we have two languages - but would any changes need to be made to the arrangements in Scotland or is it possible to transfer them in their entirety?
Welsh: Un cwestiwn arall, felly - yn Gymraeg y tro hwn. Rŷch chi wedi sôn sawl gwaith nawr am yr Alban, ac wrth gwrs mae'r Alban wedi mynd trwy'r broses hon yn barod ac wedi gorfod delio â threfniadau newydd. Ym mha ffordd allwn ni ddysgu o beth sydd wedi digwydd yn yr Alban? A yw hi'n bosib trosglwyddo'r model o'r Alban yn syth i Gymru? Rŷch chi'n sôn, wrth gwrs, am ddefnydd iaith - mae dwy iaith gyda ni - ond fyddai'n rhaid gwneud unrhyw fath o newidiadau i drefn neu strwythur yr Alban, neu ydyw e'n bosib jest i'w throsglwyddo hi'n gyfan gwbl?
English: I'll just start on that and I'll ask Rhydian to respond as well. I think that there are lessons to be learned, but we have to be careful, exactly as you just said: it's not exactly the same election, it's not exactly the same event. As I already referred to, there was a major event in Scotland at the same time as the young people of 16 years of age were voting for the first time. So, our circumstances are slightly different. But what we have done is we've brought commission officials from Scotland down to meet with the chief executives of the parties and we've brought the leaders of the Scottish Young Greens down to speak with the advisory board of the Assembly, which is an advisory board for us as a commission. So, we have started on that route of asking, but there are certainly things that we can learn from them in terms of how this worked in schools. There is an impression that every school had been teaching young people, but there were some local authorities where that didn't happen. And as Rhydian said, there are lessons to be learned in terms of the timing of information.
Welsh: Gwnaf i jest ddechrau ac wedyn gwnaf i ofyn i Rhydian ymateb. Dwi'n meddwl bod yna wersi i'w dysgu, ond mae'n rhaid inni fod yn ofalus, yn union fel ŷch chi newydd ei ddweud: dydy hi ddim yr un etholiad, dydy o ddim yr un digwyddiad. Hynny ydy, fel oeddwn i newydd gyfeirio, mi oedd yna ddigwyddiad mawr iawn yn yr Alban yr un pryd ag yr oedd y bobl ifanc 16 oed yn pleidleisio am y tro cyntaf. Felly, mae ein hamgylchiadau ni ychydig yn wahanol. Beth rydym ni wedi ei wneud ydy dod â swyddogion y comisiwn yn yr Alban i lawr i gyfarfod â phrif weithredwyr y pleidiau a dŷn ni hefyd wedi dod ag arweinydd Gwyrddion Ifanc yr Alban i siarad â bwrdd ymgynghorol y Cynulliad, sydd yn fwrdd ymgynghorol i ni fel comisiwn. Felly, dŷn ni wedi dechrau ar y daith o ofyn, ond mae yna bethau y gallwn ni eu dysgu oddi wrthyn nhw ynglŷn â sut roedd hyn yn gweithio mewn ysgolion. Mae yna argraff bod pob ysgol wedi bod yn addysgu pobl ifanc, ond roedd yna rai awdurdodau lleol lle'r oedd hynny ddim yn digwydd. Ac fel oedd Rhydian yn ei ddweud, mae yna wersi i'w dysgu o amseru gwybodaeth.
English: The point about local authorities is a valid one. There was a problem in Scotland in terms of getting sign-up from every local authority to do this work. Some of them didn't want to undertake it at all because of political reasons - with a small 'p', of course. What I would say is that it's more or less something that we could transfer to Wales. The only difference, perhaps, is that the system of electoral registration in Scotland is different. It sits outside local authorities within its own offices. So, it is slightly different, but I think in terms of the measures they introduced, there are plenty that we could introduce in Wales. But we could also do more in Wales, hopefully. We have sufficient time to think and these meetings are taking place already. So, yes, it's something that we're working diligently on already.
Welsh: Mae'r pwynt am yr awdurdodau lleol yn un dilys. Roedd yna broblem yn yr Alban o ran cael sign-up gan bob un awdurdod lleol i wneud y gwaith yma. Doedd rhai ohonyn nhw ddim eisiau gwneud y gwaith o gwbl achos rhesymau gwleidyddol - ag 'g' fach, hynny yw. Beth fyddwn i'n ei ddweud yw ei fod e fwy neu lai yn rhywbeth allwn ni ei drosglwyddo i Gymru. Yr un gwahaniaeth efallai yw bod y system o gofrestru etholiadol yn yr Alban yn wahanol. Mae'n eistedd tu allan i awdurdodau lleol, o fewn ei swyddfeydd eu hunan. Felly, mae hi rywfaint yn wahanol, ond dwi'n credu o ran y mesurau gwnaethon nhw eu cyflwyno, mae yna ddigon y gallwn ni hefyd ei wneud yng Nghymru. Ond dwi'n credu y gallwn ni hefyd, gobeithio, wneud mwy yng Nghymru. Mae digon o amser gyda ni i feddwl ac mae'r cyfarfodydd yma'n cymryd lle yn barod. Felly, ydy, mae e'n rhywbeth rŷn ni'n gweithio arno'n ddiwyd yn barod.
English: That's interesting. I didn't know that there was a different regime in Scotland and that local authorities didn't play a central part in registering constituents. What's the historic reason for that? It works differently, clearly, in practical terms, but in what way - this is what I heard from your contribution - in what way was it easier in Scotland to register during the referendum as compared to the current system that we have in Wales?
Welsh: Mae hwnna'n ddiddorol. Doeddwn i ddim yn gwybod hwnna - fod yna drefn wahanol yn yr Alban a bod awdurdodau lleol ddim yn chwarae rôl ganolog ynglŷn â chofrestru etholwyr. Beth yw'r rheswm hanesyddol am hwnna, ac a yw e'n gweithio'n - ? Wel, mae'n gweithio'n wahanol, yn amlwg, yn ymarferol, ond ym mha ffordd, felly - ddywedoch chi ddim o hwn, ond dyna beth oeddwn i'n ei glywed - ym mha ffordd oedd e'n rhwyddach, felly, yn yr Alban i gofrestru yn ystod y refferendwm i gymharu â'r system bresennol sydd gyda ni yng Nghymru?