English: Thank you, Presiding Officer, but I must say that this isn't good news. As you've already said, you are extremely disappointed. May I also declare that I'm exceptionally disappointed? In your previous response, you alluded to the fact that some of us weren't here in the last Assembly term, but I was here in the one before that, and I can assure you that we were discussing the M4 problems at that time. We were also discussing the need to electrify the railway line to Swansea. Well, nothing seems to be moving on here. I understand the announcement, but why do we have to follow London? Explain to me and everybody else who was stuck in a queue around Newport this morning: why do we have to wait for a decision from London that has just landed on your desk without warning and you have to respond by delaying? Why do we have to follow the London line on this? Basically, could you say how this happened? How did this occur? People tell us - the people who want an independent Wales - that we are stronger because we are attached to England, because there's collaboration and there are two Governments, one at each end of the M4, that are able to collaborate, co-ordinate and every other 'co-'. Well, obviously, it's not happening, so we must ask: how do we benefit by being stuck to England? Emotions are running rather high when you see this kind of decision, because people have been waiting years for an improvement, or for something to be done about the M4. I know your black route - of course, there'll be no money left if we pursue that one - the blue route, and, of course, you have a review. You'd imagine that the review would look at all the pressures and how to quantify things and there would be no need for further delay. People have been waiting and waiting for years. In passing, as a party, we announced our national infrastructure commission for Wales yesterday. I know that we have actually agreed on NICW, but I have to say that our NICW is quite different to yours. We wish to see a powerful body that is able to get investment, that can attract funding and operate at arm's length from Government and stay in the public sector. It would be able to provide an infrastructure such as the new M4, on whichever route we all agree on ultimately. It's time to act and time for action. As I said, there's been delay and there are a number of things that haven't been done over the years, such as addressing the problem of the M4 around Newport and such as the electrification of the railway to Swansea. We can discuss this ad infinitum, but, from your point of view, you believe that we are stronger in that we have to listen to London. I would disagree with you. I believe it'd be better for us to grasp the issue ourselves and go for it, but, of course, you have a different vision to me in that respect. But, please, explain to me how this current arrangement strengthens us when the people of Wales are still waiting for things to happen. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch, Lywydd, ond mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, nid yw hwn yn newyddion da. Fel rŷch chi wedi cyfeirio ato eisoes, rŷch chi'n hynod siomedig - a allaf i jest ddatgan fy mod i'n hynod, hynod siomedig? Fe wnaethoch chi gyfeirio yn eich ateb blaenorol nad oedd rhai ohonom ni yma yn y Cynulliad diwethaf - roeddwn i yma yn y Cynulliad cyn diwethaf, a gallaf eich sicrhau chi, roeddem ni'n trafod problemau'r M4 bryd hynny. Roeddem ni hefyd, gyda llaw, yn trafod yr angen i drydaneiddio'r rheilffordd i Abertawe - nid oes yna ddim byd yn symud ymlaen yn y lle yma. Rwy'n deall y cyhoeddiad, ond pam mae'n rhaid dilyn Llundain? Esboniwch i mi a phawb arall a oedd yn styc mewn ciw ar yr M4 rownd Casnewydd y bore yma: pam mae'n rhaid aros am benderfyniad o Lundain sydd wedi glanio ar eich desg yn ddisymwth a nawr mae'n rhaid i chi ymateb drwy oedi? Pam mae'n rhaid dilyn lein Llundain ar hyn? Ac, yn y bôn, sut y gwnaeth hyn ddigwydd? Yn y bôn, sut digwyddodd hyn? Mae pobl yn dweud wrthym ni - sydd eisiau Cymru annibynnol - ein bod ni'n gryfach am ein bod ni'n sownd i Loegr, achos mae yna gydweithio ac mae'r ddwy Lywodraeth - un pen i'r M4 a'r pen arall i'r M4 - yn cydweithio, cydlynu, a phob math o 'gyd-' arall. Wel, yn amlwg, nid yw hynny'n digwydd. Mae'n rhaid i chi ofyn, felly: sut ydym ni'n elwa o fod yn sownd i Loegr? Dyna'r math o - . Mae emosiynau yn rhedeg ychydig bach yn uchel pan fyddwch chi'n cael penderfyniad fel hyn. Mae pobl wedi bod yn disgwyl blynyddoedd am welliant, i rywbeth gael ei wneud i'r M4. Rwy'n gwybod, eich llwybr du chi - wrth gwrs, fuasai yna ddim pres ar ôl petasem ni'n mynd ar ôl hynny - y llwybr glas, ac, wrth gwrs, mae gennych chi adolygiad. Gallech chi feddwl y buasai'r adolygiad hwnnw'n edrych i mewn i'r holl bwysau a sut i fesur pethau ac na fyddai angen oedi rhagor. Mae pobl wedi bod yn aros ac aros am flynyddoedd. Wrth basio, fel plaid, fe wnaethom ni gyhoeddi ein comisiwn seilwaith cenedlaethol Cymru ddoe. Rwy'n gwybod ein bod wedi cytuno ar NICW, ond mae'n rhaid imi ddweud rwy'n credu bod ein NICW ni'n gryn wahanol i'ch NICW chi, ac rydym ni eisiau gweld corff pwerus sy'n gallu cael buddsoddiad, denu ariannu, gweithredu a chynllunio, a gweithredu hyd braich oddi wrth y Llywodraeth ac yn aros yn y sector gyhoeddus - buasai'n gallu trefnu a darparu isadeiledd fel M4 newydd ar ba bynnag lwybr y mae pawb yn cytuno arno yn y pen draw. Mae'n amser i weithredu. Fel rydw i'n ei ddweud, mae yna oedi ac mae nifer o bethau sydd ddim wedi cael eu gwneud dros y blynyddoedd, megis mynd i'r afael â'r M4 rownd Casnewydd, megis trydaneiddio'r rheilffordd i Abertawe. Nawr, fedrwn ni drin a thrafod, mi allwn ni feio pwy bynnag arall ochr draw i'r M4, ond o'ch ochr chi, rydych chi'n credu ein bod ni'n gryfach gan fod yn rhaid gwrando ar Lundain. Buaswn i'n anghytuno efo chi ar hynny. Rwy'n credu y buasai'n well i ni afael yn y busnes ein hunain a mynd amdani, ond, wrth gwrs, rydych chi'n perthyn i wahanol weledigaeth i fi yn fanna. Ond esboniwch i fi sut mae'r trefniant presennol yma yn ein cryfhau ni, pan fo'n pobl ni yng Nghymru yn dal i aros i bethau digwydd. Diolch yn fawr.