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English: I don't know whether you'll be able to answer this question, to be frank, and perhaps it's something for us to consider as a committee, because you, Ifan Glyn, talked about the difficulties with capital for smaller house builders and you were talking about the Development Bank of Wales. The Government has just received a specialised amount of money in the recent budget, called financial transactions capital, which is capital that you can spend if you've got an income stream that is also coming in. I'm not expecting you to follow that up - it's something that's on our minds in the Finance Committee at present - but what is interesting is that the Government has already allocated this funding to release sites that may be stuck in the system. I don't remember what they call it -
Welsh: Nid ydw i yn gwybod os fedrwch chi ateb y cwestiwn yma, a bod yn onest, ond mae'n rhywbeth inni ei ystyried fel pwyllgor, achos roeddech chi, Ifan Glyn, yn sôn am anhawster cyfalaf ar gyfer adeiladwyr llai o faint a mynd i'r banc, ac roeddech chi'n sôn am Fanc Datblygu Cymru. Mae'r Llywodraeth newydd gael swmp newydd yn y gyllideb ddiwethaf o arian go arbennig o'r enw cyfalaf trafodion cyllidol - financial transactions capital - sydd yn gyfalaf y medrwch chi ei wario os oes yna lif incwm wedyn yn dod i mewn. Nid ydw i'n disgwyl i chi fynd ar ôl hwn - mae'n rhywbeth rydym ni'n poeni amdano ar y Pwyllgor Cyllid ar hyn o bryd - ond beth sydd yn ddiddorol yw bod y Llywodraeth eisoes wedi neilltuo defnyddio'r arian yma ar gyfer rhyddhau safleoedd sydd yn styc yn y system. So, nid ydw i'n cofio beth yr oedden nhw'n ei alw fe -
English: Stalled sites, that's right. So, they are planning to use it for the stalled sites. Have you had any discussions or information about the means of using that funding in addition to get this income stream for builders of all sizes, but specifically smaller ones, because, from what I understand, this money is also being channelled through the Wales Development Bank? If you haven't heard of that, I'm just making those comments for us as a committee to consider as something we could ask the Government to look at in order to release a little slack in the system.
Welsh: Stalled sites, dyna chi, ie. So, maen nhw eisoes yn ei ddefnyddio fe ar gyfer stalled sites. A ydych chi wedi cael unrhyw drafodaeth neu wybodaeth bod modd defnyddio'r arian yn ychwanegol ar gyfer rhoi'r llif yma i adeiladwyr o bob math, ond y rhai llai o faint yn benodol, gan fod, yn ôl beth rwyf i'n ei ddeall, yr arian yma hefyd yn cael ei sianeli drwy Fanc Datblygu Cymru? Os nad ydych chi wedi clywed am hynny, rwyf jest yn gwneud sylwadau inni fel pwyllgor i ystyried bod hwn yn rhywbeth y gallwn ni awgrymu i'r Llywodraeth edrych arno, er mwyn rhyddhau rhywfaint o slacrwydd yn y system.
English: We have heard about this capital, but, again, the money available for stalled sites takes for granted that the sites would have been commenced already, and the big problem is the upfront cost to get them started in the first place. So, what I would encourage is that finance is channelled, not only to builders with planning consent in the first place, but also to builders who have an interest in getting a site to the point where they can obtain planning consent for building.
Welsh: Rydym ni wedi clywed am y cyfalaf yma, ond eto mae'r arian a fydd ar gael ar gyfer stalled sites - mae hynny'n cymryd yn ganiataol bod y sites wedi dechrau'n barod, a'r broblem fawr ydy'r upfront cost i'w cael nhw i ddechrau, yn y lle cyntaf. Felly, beth y buaswn i'n ei annog ydy bod cyllid yn cael ei sianeli i, nid yn unig adeiladwyr sydd efo caniatâd cynllunio yn y lle cyntaf, ond hefyd adeiladwyr sydd efo diddordeb mewn cael sites i'r pwynt lle maen nhw'n gallu cael caniatâd cynllunio cyn adeiladu.
English: So, this would be a sort of transitional capital, as it were, that would enable or give some assurance for the more traditional lenders, perhaps, so that they could feel that they could invest on the back of something that came from the Government or bodies such as the development bank.
Welsh: So, cyfalaf pontio, mewn ffordd, sydd yn galluogi neu'n rhoi rhyw fath o sicrwydd drachefn i'r benthycwyr mwy traddodiadol efallai i deimlo eu bod yn gallu buddsoddi ar gefn rhywbeth gan y Llywodraeth neu rywbeth gan gorff fel y banc datblygu.
English: The counter argument to that - and I don't know if I should say this - is the fact that if smaller construction firms are going to profit from building houses, they should take some risks: so, why shouldn't they invest in the first place before getting planning consent? And that's a very fair argument, but what's happening at present is that the majority of small construction firms that start on a site, they look at it and they see, 'Well, to get to the point where I can get planning consent, I need such and such amount of money. Otherwise I don't want to take the risk'. So -
Welsh: Gwrthddadl hynny - nid ydw i yn gwybod os ddylwn i ddweud hyn, ond gwrthddadl hynny ydy'r ffaith bod - . Os ydy adeiladwyr bach yn mynd i wneud elw o adeiladu tai, mi ddylen nhw gymryd rhywfaint o risg: felly, pam na ddylen nhw fuddsoddi yn y lle cyntaf, cyn caniatâd cynllunio? Ac mae honno'n ddadl ddigon teg. Ond beth sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd ydy bod y rhan helaeth o adeiladwyr bach sy'n edrych ar seit - maen nhw'n edrych arno fo ac maen nhw'n gweld, 'Wel, i'w gael at y pwynt lle mae gen i ganiatâd cynllunio, mae o'n mynd i gymryd hyn a hyn o arian. Un ai nid oes gen i'r arian neu nid ydw i eisio cymryd y risg.' Felly -
English: I just want to say - and the Chair will know, as a member of the Finance Committee - the advantage of this specialised capital is that the risk has been built into it, in the sense that the Treasury does not expect to receive a 100 per cent back, but rather 80 per cent. So, there is some element of preparing for risk in that method. But it is something that's more for us to discuss, a recommendation, perhaps, for us as a committee, but I just wanted to see if there was any work - it's obvious in terms of the stalled sites that it's taking place - but I wanted to know if it had gone any further. So, it hasn't quite, from what I understand.
Welsh: Jest i ddweud - a bydd y Cadeirydd yn gwybod, achos mae e ar y Pwyllgor Cyllid hefyd - mantais y cyfalaf go arbennig yma yw bod risg wedi'i adeiladu ynddo fe yn yr ystyr nad yw'r Trysorlys yn disgwyl cael 100 y cant yn ôl, ond 80 y cant yn ôl. Felly mae yna ryw elfen o baratoi am risg yn y dull yna. Ond mae'n rhywbeth sydd yn fwy i ni ei drafod, i'w awgrymu, fel pwyllgor, ond roeddwn i jest eisiau gweld os oedd yna unrhyw waith - mae'n amlwg ar gyfer y stalled sites mae'n digwydd - ond a ydy e wedi mynd ymhellach? Dim cweit eto, rwy'n casglu.
English: I accept that there is a performance gap in in terms of what is installed in houses and how that performs - it doesn't always perform as it should. I've read a lot of evidence from environmental organisations that talk about this, and the evidence is there to be seen. I do accept that. What I would say in terms of smaller house builders is that smaller house builders - I'm repeating myself here, but they build what the architects or the customers ask them to build, very often. And they do build it to the building regulations, so we need to ensure that regulations are more strict. But it's also important that we monitor the performance of buildings more. Talking of architects, it's important that we talk about culture, not only in the building industry in terms of builders, but also the architects, because they're quite traditional and quite conservative with a small 'c' in terms of design. So, moving towards building housing that's more energy efficient, I think that architects also need to change their attitudes towards building lower carbon housing.
Welsh: Rydw i'n derbyn bod yna fwlch o ran perfformiad, o ran beth sydd yn cael ei roi mewn tai a sut mae hynny'n perfformio - nid yw wastad yn perfformio cystal ag y dylai fo. Rydw i wedi darllen lot o dystiolaeth gan sefydliadau amgylcheddol sydd yn sôn am hyn, ac mae'r dystiolaeth yna i'w weld. Rydw i'n derbyn hynny. Beth y buaswn i'n ei ddweud o ran adeiladwyr bach ydy bod adeiladwyr bach - rydw i'n ail-ddweud fy hunan fan hyn, ond maen nhw'n adeiladu beth mae penseiri neu gwsmeriaid yn gofyn iddyn nhw i adeiladu, yn aml, ac maen nhw'n ei adeiladu fo i reoliadau adeiladu, felly mae angen gwneud yn siŵr bod rheoliadau adeiladu yn fwy strict. Ond, eto, mae'n bwysig, hefyd, ein bod ni'n monitro perfformiad yn adeiladau yn fwy. Yn sôn am benseiri, mae hefyd yn bwysig ein bod yn sôn am ddiwylliant, nid yn unig yn y diwydiant adeiladu o ran yr adeiladwyr, ond hefyd y penseiri, achos maen nhw hefyd yn eithaf traddodiadol, yn eithaf ceidwadol efo 'c' fach, yn y ffordd y maen nhw'n cynllunio lot o'n tai ni. Felly, symud tuag at adeiladu tai mwy effeithlon, rydw i'n teimlo bod penseiri hefyd angen newid o ran eu hagwedd nhw tuag at adeiladu tai carbon is.
English: You can start.
Welsh: Dechreua di.
English: Thank you, Chair. The committee is doing an inquiry into the challenge and the vision of having low-carbon housing in Wales. That's the background, naturally. So, in your opinion, how responsive do you feel the construction industry has been to low-carbon innovation, including new methods such as off-site construction?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Gadeirydd. Beth mae'r pwyllgor yma yn ei wneud ydy gwneud ymchwiliad i mewn i'r her a'r weledigaeth o gael tai carbon isel yng Nghymru. Dyna'r cefndir, yn naturiol. Felly, yn eich tyb chi, pa mor ymatebol ydych chi'n credu ydy'r diwydiant adeiladu i arloesedd carbon isel, gan gynnwys dulliau newydd fel adeiladu oddi ar y safle?
English: In terms of off-site construction - and I'm speaking here from the SME sector - there's a great deal of eagerness from local companies in terms of skills. The greatest problem, as far as I see it, is that the projects that lie before you are - at best, you know that there's a year's work ahead of you, and if you're lucky, you'll know that there's two years ahead of you. But in terms of the procurement side, because it's short term, it's then difficult for companies to have the confidence to invest in the long term in terms of skills, and in terms of investment in machinery, so that you can come to the market and carry out off-site work. But a great deal of innovation does go on in terms of skills and the use of materials on the site that could reduce costs, possibly, and so improve the quality of the construction.
Welsh: O ran adeiladu oddi ar y safle - ac rydw i'n siarad yn fan hyn o ran y sector SME - mae lot o frwdfrydedd gyda chwmnïau lleol o ran sgiliau. Y broblem fwyaf rydw i'n ei gweld: yn y prosiectau sydd gyda chi o'ch blaen chi, ar y gorau, mae blwyddyn o waith o'ch blaen chi. Os ŷch chi'n lwcus, mae dwy flynedd o waith o'ch blaen chi. O ran yr ochr procurement, achos ei fod e'n dymor byr, mae'n anodd wedyn i gwmnïau gael yr hyder i fuddsoddi yn y tymor hir o ran sgiliau ac o ran buddsoddiad mewn peirianneg, i allu dod i'r farchnad i wneud gwaith i ffwrdd o'r safle. Ond hefyd mae lot o arloesedd yn digwydd o ran sgiliau a deunyddiau ar y safle a fyddai'n gallu lleihau costau, o bosibl, a gwella ansawdd yr adeiladu.
English: Thank you, Chair. I think the question that I have has been answered, mostly, because I was going to talk about the problem with perceptions of the construction industry and, as you've mentioned yourself, when young people and their parents believe that you're going to spend your life up to your knees in mud - . Specifically, therefore - well, I can't see your knees this morning, but -
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Rydw i'n credu bod y cwestiwn sydd gyda fi wedi cael ei ateb, gan mwyaf, achos roeddwn i'n mynd i sôn am y broblem efo'r canfyddiad o'r diwydiant adeiladu ac, fel rydych chi'n sôn eich hunain, pan mae pobl ifanc a'u rhieni yn credu eich bod chi'n mynd i dreulio'ch oes i fyny i'ch pengliniau mewn mwd - . Yn benodol, felly - wel, nid ydw i'n gallu gweld eich pengliniau chi bore yma ond -
English: But what are you trying to do to overturn that perception that you're going to have a career spent up to your waist in mud?
Welsh: Ond beth ydych chi'n trio ei wneud i wyrdroi'r canfyddiad yna, felly, eich bod chi'n mynd i dreulio gyrfa oes i fyny i'ch canol mewn mwd?
English: Thank you. Just to follow on from the point that you've mentioned there, from where do you think the ability to be more innovative, or taking that step towards more low-carbon housing, but also, as you mentioned, housing that's cheaper to run over a long period and when you live in them, will come? Because the evidence that we've had from the major construction firms - as you've just said, unless the law tells them they have to do something, they've not got much interest. Now, you've just mentioned that - . From you, that's where the majority of the training and the new ideas and so forth come. But you've just talked about the RSLs, but where does this private chunk come from? Is there any way of seeing the market moving there?
Welsh: Diolch. Jest i ddilyn ar y pwynt rydych chi newydd fod yn sôn amdano, o ble rŷch chi'n meddwl y daw'r gallu i fod yn fwy newydd neu ddyfeisgar, neu gymryd y cam yma tuag at dai mwy carbon isel, ond, fel rŷch chi newydd grybwyll, hefyd, yn tsiepach i'w rhedeg dros gyfnod hir a phan ydych chi'n byw ynddyn nhw? Achos mae'r dystiolaeth rŷm ni wedi'i chael gan y prif adeiladwyr tai, y bois mawr - fel yr ŷch chi newydd ei ddweud, oni bai bod y gyfraith yn dweud wrthyn nhw fod yn rhaid iddyn nhw ei wneud e, nid oes lot o ddiddordeb gyda nhw. Nawr, rŷch chi newydd - jest i bennu, sori - . Rydych chi newydd sôn am, yn eich - . Gyda chi mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r hyfforddi a syniadau yn dod, a phethau newydd. Rŷch chi newydd sôn am yr RSLs, ond o ble mae'r pishyn preifat yma'n dod? A oes yna unrhyw ffordd o gael gweld y farchnad yn symud fanna?
English: If you think that we've got an oil tanker, I would say that the larger builders have a supersize tanker, and I don't think it's going to turn very quickly. I believe you may think that it is through enforcement that they will do it, but what they will do then is they will turn to England or Scotland, or somewhere where they can build houses in an affordable way for them, where they can make a profit, so I don't think that enforcement is the way forward. Often - I think, currently, what you have with low carbon is the RSL sector and then the self-build sector, someone building a home for the rest of their lives, and then at the other extreme you've got the grand-design approach, where someone is doing something that's entirely novel, but either they have enough money to do that or they're taking a gamble because they truly believe that that's the way forward.
Welsh: Os ŷch chi'n meddwl bod oil tanker gyda ni, rydw i'n credu bod yr adeiladwyr mawr, mae eu tancer nhw llawer yn fwy eto. Nid ydw i'n meddwl ei fod e'n mynd i droi'n gyflym. Rydw i'n credu efallai byddwch chi'n meddwl taw trwy orfodaeth maen nhw'n mynd i'w wneud e, ond beth maen nhw'n mynd i'w wneud wedi hynny yw troi i Loegr, i'r Alban, neu rywle maen nhw'n gallu adeiladu'r tai yn fforddiadwy iddyn nhw gael gwneud elw, ac nid ydw i'n credu taw gorfodaeth yw'r ffordd ymlaen. Yn aml - rwy'n credu ar hyn y bryd beth sydd gennych chi o ran carbon isel yw'r sector RSL a rhywun sy'n adeiladu iddyn nhw ei hun gartref am oes, ac wedyn mae'r pegwn pellaf gyda chi o'r grand design approach, lle mae rhywun yn gwneud rhywbeth sy'n hollol newydd, ond maen nhw naill ai â digon o arian i wneud hynny neu maen nhw'n cymryd gamble achos maen nhw'n wirioneddol credu mai dyna'r ffordd ymlaen.
English: But if you take something like Tŷ Solar, as you've just mentioned, and Pentre Solar, which is a very small development -
Welsh: Ond, os cymerwch chi rywbeth fel Tŷ Solar, rŷch chi newydd sôn amdano, a Pentre Solar, datblygiad bach iawn -
English: Of course, what he's done is he hasn't gone completely PassivHaus. He's used local resources - wood from Wales and so forth.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, beth mae e wedi'i wneud yw nid yw e wedi mynd yn PassivHaus yn llwyr. Mae e wedi iwso'r adnoddau lleol - pren o Gymru a phethau fel yna.
English: Yes, he's taken the best of the things that work. He's parked the things that aren't affordable and don't make a big difference, and he has focused on the things that are cost-effective.
Welsh: Ydy, mae e wedi mynd â'r gorau o'r pethau sy'n gweithio. Mae e wedi parcio pethau sydd ddim yn fforddiadwy ac sydd ddim yn gwneud gwahaniaeth mawr, ac mae e wedi canolbwyntio ar y pethau sy'n gost effeithiol.
English: So, isn't there a way to develop some of that jointly with the Government, perhaps with the regulations changing and becoming more stringent, to see development - ? Think of someone like me, if I want to move, I would like to move to a much more energy-efficient home than I have now. I'm not going to build my own home, but there's nobody who's providing for someone like me. I've got a choice between the main boxes that the big boys are providing, or to go for something designer led. Well, I just want a home that's warm and cheap to run.
Welsh: So, onid oes modd datblygu rhywfaint o hynny ar y cyd â'r Llywodraeth, efallai gyda rhai o'r rheoliadau'n newid yn fwyfwy llym, i weld datblygiad - ? Dywedwch rywun fel fi, os ydw i eisiau symud, rydw i eisiau symud i dŷ sydd llawer yn fwy effeithlon o ran ynni nag sydd gen i nawr. Nid ydw i'n mynd i adeiladu tŷ fy hun, ond nid oes neb yn darparu i rywun fel fi ar hyn o bryd. Mae gyda fi ddewis rhwng y prif focsys sy'n cael eu gwneud gan y bois mawr, neu fynd am rywbeth designer led. Wel, rydw i jest eisiau tŷ sy'n glyd ac sy'n rhad i'w redeg.
English: There is a way ahead, and that's what, I hope, the purpose of today's debate is. Can we make the approach that Tŷ Solar has - ? It's not unique - the different components within that house, they are available to everyone. We need to look at that as - . We need to push the pilot out to see whether that is something that can be replicated in the market in an affordable way. But we need the Government's help, and help from planning and infrastucture, to make it affordable. Because lots of section 106 and those kinds of costs come into developments, which make smaller developments, particularly, unaffordable. By the time you've provided funding for the school and for the playing fields and funding for local infrastructure, a developer, particularly a small developer, is going to say, 'Well, there's nothing left to generate profit', or people are not going to give up the land for development because they think, 'Well, it's not worth it'.
Welsh: Mae ffordd ymlaen, ac rwy'n credu, gobeithio, dyna beth fydd pwrpas y drafodaeth heddiw. A ydyn ni'n gallu gwneud yr approach sydd gan rywun fel Tŷ Solar - ? Nid yw'n unigryw - mae'r gwahanol components o fewn y tŷ yna, maen nhw ar gael i bawb. Mae eisiau edrych ar hwnnw fel - . Mae eisiau pwsio'r peilot mas i weld a yw hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n gallu cael ei ddodi mas yn y farchnad yn fforddiadwy. Ond mae eisiau help wrth y Llywodraeth, hefyd wrth y planning a'r infrastructure, i'w wneud e yn fforddiadwy. Achos mae lot o section 106 a'r costau yna'n dod i mewn i ddatblygiadau, sy'n gwneud datblygiadau bach yn enwedig yn anfforddiadwy. Erbyn i chi ddarparu arian ar gyfer yr ysgol, arian ar gyfer y cae chwarae, arian ar gyfer infrastructure yn lleol, mae datblygwr, yn enwedig datblygwr bach, yn mynd i ddweud, 'Wel, nid oes dim byd ar ôl i greu elw', neu nid yw pobl yn mynd i roi'r tir i'w ddatblygu achos maen nhw'n meddwl, 'Nid yw e werth e'.
English: If we now move to the other side of the equation - . So, let's say that we succeed in doing some of these things, or what little is being done - one of the other issues that has arisen in the discussions we've had in the committee is whether the house that is constructed according to those standards actually meets those standards in reality, when used. You've referred to some of that - how the user or the person living in the house can have an impact. But we've also received evidence that, even with the current building regulations, whatever you may think of them - there is evidence that houses don't meet the actual requirements, either in the way that they're constructed or in the quality of the materials used in them. They're not performing as they should do. Is this something that you would acknowledge as a problem and something that stops people from feeling confident in taking the step towards these new homes?
Welsh: Os symudwn ni yn awr at ben arall y sym - . Felly, dywedwch ein bod ni'n llwyddo gwneud rhai o'r pethau yma, neu'r ychydig sy'n cael ei wneud - un o'r pethau eraill sydd wedi codi yn ystod y trafodaethau yr ŷm ni wedi'u cael fel pwyllgor yw: a yw'r tŷ sy'n cael ei godi yn ôl rhyw safonau actually yn cwrdd â'r safonau yna mewn defnydd go iawn? Rŷch chi wedi crybwyll rhywfaint o hynny. Mae'r ffordd y mae defnyddiwr - y person sy'n byw yn y tŷ - yn defnyddio'r tŷ yn gallu cael effaith. Ond rŷm ni hefyd wedi cael tystiolaeth, hyn yn oed gyda'r rheoliadau adeiladu sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd, beth bynnag ŷch chi'n meddwl amdanyn nhw - mae tystiolaeth bod tai ddim yn cwrdd â'r gofynion go iawn, naill ai yn y ffordd y maen nhw'n cael eu dodi at ei gilydd neu yn yr ansawdd o ran beth sy'n cael ei ddefnyddio ynddyn nhw. Nid ydyn nhw'n perfformio fel y dylen nhw. A ydy hynny'n rhywbeth yr ŷch chi'n cydnabod sydd yn y broblem ac, efallai, yn dal hyder pobl yn ôl rhag cymryd y cam yma at dai gwahanol?
English: Yes, and that's why I think the funding that the Government has for innovation is vital, because it does give an opportunity to look at the problems and see where it would be possible to improve the situation. The truth is that halfway between the way that they build houses now and where we'd like to be is probably where we should be trying to reach. But there have been problems, for example, in terms of air-source heating. If the environment that you're in doesn't allow it to work well, you're going to have problems. There are some technologies that are not right for the environment that you're trying to put them in.
Welsh: Ydy, a dyna pam rydw i'n meddwl bod yr arian sydd gan y Llywodraeth ar gyfer innovation yn hollol bwysig, achos mae'n rhoi cyfle i edrych ar y problemau a gweld a oes modd gwella ar hynny. Y gwirionedd yw taw rhyw hanner ffordd rhwng fel yr ŷm ni'n adeiladu tai nawr a lle liciwn ni fod, mwy na thebyg, yw lle ddylem ni fod yn treial cyrraedd. Ond mae problemau wedi bod o ran, er enghraifft, air-source heating. Os nad yw'r amgylchedd yr ŷch chi o'i fewn yn caniatáu iddo fe weithio'n dda, rŷch chi'n mynd i gael problemau. Mae peth technoleg nad yw'n iawn i'r amgylchedd rŷch chi'n trio'i rhoi hi ynddo.
English: If I may ask Donna Griffiths, from your perspective, as the CITB body, do you see a greater need for training for the inspectors of buildings, as well as the people who are constructing things themselves, so that there's a need for the other end to better understand what we're trying to achieve?
Welsh: Os caf ofyn i Donna Griffiths, o'ch safbwynt chi, fel y corff CITB, a ydych chi'n gweld yr angen am fwy o hyfforddiant ar arolygwr adeiladu, yn ogystal â'r adeiladwyr eu hunain, a bod angen i ben arall y ddadl yma ddeall yn well beth rydym ni'n trio'i gyflawni, hefyd?
English: Just to confirm, in the discussions that you've had with Westminster, what guarantee is there for us here, if we vote to reject an LCM in this place, that Westminster is going to listen to that decision and isn't just going to push the withdrawal Bill through regardless? Have you had any guarantee, to follow on from that question, if we vote against legislative consent here, that Westminster's going to listen?
Welsh: Jest i gadarnhau, yn y trafodaethau rydych chi wedi'u cael efo San Steffan, pa garantî sydd yna i ni yn fan hyn, os ydym ni'n pleidleisio i wrthod cydsyniad deddfwriaethol yn y fan hyn, fod San Steffan yn mynd i wrando ar y penderfyniad yna a ddim jest yn mynd i wthio'r Bil ymadael trwodd ta beth? A ydych chi wedi cael unrhyw garantî, i ddilyn y cwestiwn - hynny yw, os ydym ni'n pleidleisio yn erbyn cydsyniad deddfwriaethol yn fan fyn - fod San Steffan yn mynd i wrando yn y lle cyntaf?