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English: I would want to look in more detail as to how exactly the English language market in Ireland works. I would assume that BBC services reach homes through cable and satellite channels rather than terrestrial, so that would mean that somebody, somewhere is paying - that the customer, essentially, is paying for those services - and that they receive BBC services as part of a package. I would assume that the BBC is reimbursed for that one way or another. The Welsh situation is different. We have a porous border, and it's more difficult to manage in that regard and raises more complex questions.
Welsh: Byddwn i eisiau astudio mwy ynglŷn â sut yn union mae'r farchnad iaith Saesneg yn Iwerddon yn gweithio. Fy nhyb i ydy bod gwasanaethau BBC yn cyrraedd drwy sianeli cabl a lloeren yn hytrach na drwy deledu daearol, felly mae hynny'n golygu bod rhywun yn talu - bod y cwsmer yn talu am y gwasanaethau - a'u bod nhw'n cael gwasanaethau BBC fel pecyn. Byddwn i'n tybio bod y BBC yn cael arian yn ôl o hynny un ffordd neu'r llall. Mae sefyllfa Cymru yn wahanol. Mae'r ffin yn nes. Mae'n fwy anodd ei reoli yn hynny o beth ac yn codi cwestiynau mwy cymhleth, dwi'n meddwl.
English: One final, brief question, and that is: is it possible to create or strike a balance between the advantage that I see in being able to use UK resources - if you look at the BBC, and it's not just the BBC, you can use the resources that the BBC has across the UK - but also ensuring that the attitude isn't entirely UK-centric, without considering the situation of devolution? Can we strike that balance?
Welsh: Un cwestiwn bach arall sydd gyda fi, a hynny yw: oes yna fodd i greu cydbwysedd rhwng y fantais dwi'n gweld o allu defnyddio adnoddau Prydeinig - os edrychwch chi'n ar y BBC, a nid dim ond y BBC, gallwch chi defnyddio'r adnoddau yma sydd gan y BBC ar draws Prydain Fawr - ond sicrhau bod yr agwedd ddim yn hollol Brydeinig a ddim, wrth gwrs, yn ystyried sefyllfa datganoli? Oes yna ffordd i daro'r cydbwysedd yna?
English: It depends where the voice is heard and where the power lies. And I think that - . I would assume that the BBC would have listened over recent years in terms of these needs that are so regularly expressed from Wales by people who represent Wales on the BBC board, as well as politicians and others, of course. But, it is an ongoing battle, isn't it? I am not convinced that there are easy solutions to this question, but I do come back to this issue of where the Welsh voice is heard. The fact that protocols have been created when devolution was put in place on the need to consult on issues related to Wales but which are non-devolved, then I do think that there is a question as to whether those protocols are being implemented, and whether they are being implemented in a transparent manner, and we should consider those questions carefully.
Welsh: Mae'n dibynnu lle mae'r llais a'r grym, onid ydy? A dwi'n meddwl mai'r cwestiynau yna - . Byddwn i yn tybio bod y BBC wedi gwrando dros y blynyddoedd diweddar ynglŷn â'r anghenion yma sy'n cael eu mynegi'n gyson o Gymru gan bobl sy'n cynrychioli Cymru ar fwrdd y BBC, yn ogystal â gwleidyddion ac eraill. Ond, mae'n frwydr barhaol, onid ydyw? Dwi ddim wedi tybio bod yna atebion hawdd i'r cwestiwn yma, ond dwi yn dod yn ôl at y cwestiwn ynghylch lle mae llais Cymru'n cael ei fynegi. Mae'r ffaith bod protocolau wedi cael eu creu pan grëwyd datganoli ynglŷn â'r angen i ymgynghori ar faterion yn ymwneud â Chymru sydd ddim wedi cael eu datganoli, dwi'n meddwl bod yna gwestiwn ynghylch a ydy'r protocolau yna'n cael eu gweithredu ac a ydyn nhw'n cael eu gweithredu'n dryloyw y dylid ei ystyried yn ofalus.
English: The greatest problem that I see emerging - if I could refer to S4C specifically in this regard - we have had a review of S4C in 2018, and the conclusion reached on the question of how to achieve financial stability was to pass the funding so that it came through the licence fee. Now, there are questions posed about the licence fee. So, it is clear that everything related to the BBC on the one hand, but also in terms of S4C, is up for discussion. Every part of the BBC will be fighting to retain what they have, and S4C, of course, will fight to retain what S4C has. Now, the deal between S4C and the BBC has enabled us to reach 2022 - it takes us up to that point. But, there is no financial certainty beyond that point, and therefore it is very difficult to give a straight answer to your question, which asked 'Is this as good as it gets?' It is all dependent on funding. All I would say is that it has been possible to make arrangements that have safeguarded funding for Welsh language output - although that is substantially lower than it was - under the current system through goodwill and through collaboration. But, if there is additional pressure placed on all parts of that settlement because of financial pressures, then it may creak.
Welsh: Y broblem fwyaf dwi'n ei gweld yn dod i fyny ydy - os caf i gyfeirio at S4C yn benodol - rydym ni wedi cael adolygiad o S4C yn 2018, a'r ateb a roddwyd ynglŷn â'r cwestiwn o sut mae cael sefydlogrwydd ariannol oedd i roi'r cyllido i gyd i ddod drwy'r drwydded deledu. Yn awr, mae yna gwestiynau ynglŷn â'r drwydded deledu yn codi. Felly, mae'n amlwg bod pob peth yn ymwneud efo'r BBC ar y naill law, ond hefyd ynglŷn ag S4C, yn agored i drafodaeth. Mi fydd pob rhan o'r BBC yn ymladd i gadw'r hyn sydd ganddyn nhw, ac mi fydd S4C, wrth gwrs, yn ymladd i gadw'r hyn sydd gan S4C. Mae'r ddêl rhwng S4C a'r BBC wedi ein galluogi ni i gyrraedd 2022. Y tu hwnt i hynny, does yna ddim sicrwydd ariannol ac felly mae'n anodd iawn rhoi ateb strêt i'ch cwestiwn chi, sydd yn dweud 'Ydy hwn as good as it gets?' Mae'r cyfan yn dibynnu ar y cyllid. Y cyfan dwi'n ei ddweud ydy ei bod hi wedi bod yn bosib gwneud trefniant sydd wedi gwarchod y cyllido ar gyfer rhaglenni Cymraeg - er bod hwnnw dipyn go lew yn is na beth oedd o - o dan y drefn bresennol drwy ewyllys da a thrwy gydweithio. Ond, os oes pwysau ychwanegol yn cael ei greu ar bob rhan o'r setliad yna oherwydd pwysau ariannol, mae'n bosib y bydd yn gwegian.
English: To some extent, I think that I have already given my answer to this, namely that I do think that we have to keep an eye open on the extent to which current financial arrangements can continue forever. The priority in the short term is to ensure that they do continue, and to ensure that Wales receives sufficient funding to enable broadcasting bodies in Wales to do the work that they need to do for Wales. But we should be proactive in the process of trying to think about the future, and for me, if there are going to be alternative answers for the future, then that could perhaps open the door to new arrangements. But I would certainly wish to be clear in my mind that those solutions with regard to funding hold water and provide funding that the broadcasters can depend on.
Welsh: I ryw raddau, dwi'n teimlo fy mod i wedi rhoi fy ateb i hyn, sef dwi yn meddwl bod angen bod â llygaid agored ynglŷn ag i ba raddau y mae'r trefniadau ariannol presennol yn gallu parhau am byth. Y flaenoriaeth yn y tymor byr yw sicrhau eu bod nhw'n parhau, a sicrhau bod Cymru'n cael digon i alluogi cyrff darlledu Cymru i wneud y gwaith maen nhw angen ei wneud ar gyfer Cymru. Ond mi ddylid bod yn proactive yn y broses o feddwl am y dyfodol, ac i mi, os oes yna atebion amgen i'r dyfodol, mae'n bosibl bod y rheini'n agor y drws i drefniadau newydd. Ond byddwn i'n sicr yn dymuno bod yn glir fy meddwl fod yr atebion yna ynglŷn â chyllido yn rhai sydd yn dal dŵr ac yn rhai y gall darlledwyr ddibynnu arnyn nhw.
English: Well, I don't believe that. I think the arguments are around either devolving broadcasting as an entity, or not devolving broadcasting. Devolving S4C would mean devolving the responsibility for funding S4C, and therefore, I come back full circle: right, where's the money coming from? The S4C board is a body that exists with a single purpose, namely to provide a service - or services now - on the media through the medium of Welsh. It's a body that has the right to make its own decisions. There aren't many restrictions upon it. The restrictions on digital operation have been removed. The limitation on S4C is a limitation of funding. So, I don't move too far from that fundamental point. And for anyone who is arguing for the devolution of S4C alone, I would want them to prove what the benefit to the public would be of doing that.
Welsh: Wel, dwi ddim yn credu hynny. Dwi'n meddwl naill ai mae'r dadleuon yn ymwneud â datganoli darlledu yn ei gyfanrwydd, neu ddim. Mae datganoli S4C yn golygu datganoli'r cyfrifoldeb am gyllido S4C, a dwi'n dod yn ôl rownd y cylch: ocê, o ble mae'r cyllid yn dod? Mae bwrdd S4C yn gorff sydd yn bodoli gydag un pwrpas yn unig, sef darparu gwasanaeth - neu wasanaethau erbyn hyn - cyfryngol Cymraeg eu hiaith. Mae o'n gorff sydd â'r hawl i wneud ei benderfyniadau ei hun. Does yna ddim llawer o gyfyngiadau arno fo. Mae'r cyfyngiad ar wneud pethau digidol wedi mynd. Y cyfyngiad sydd ar S4C yw cyllid. Felly, dwi ddim yn crwydro'n bell iawn o'r pwynt sylfaenol yna. Ac i unrhyw un sy'n dadlau dros ddatganoli S4C yn unig, byddwn i am iddyn nhw brofi beth yw'r budd i'r cyhoedd o wneud hynny.
English: Thank you very much, both of you, and we do very much appreciate the evidence that you have given us today. As the process continues, I'm sure you'll keep a close eye on what other witnesses have to say on this issue, but you are more than welcome to come back to us with any additional information in written form if you wish to do so, to respond to any comments that you hear from other witnesses. We - as is customary - will be sending a transcript to you so you can check it for factual accuracy to ensure that we have recorded everything that you have said correctly, and I'm very grateful to both of you. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r ddau ohonoch chi, a dŷn ni'n gwerthfawrogi'ch tystiolaeth yn fawr iawn. Fel mae'r broses yn mynd yn ei blaen, byddwch chi, dwi'n siŵr, yn cadw llygad barcud ar beth sydd gan dystion eraill i'w ddweud. Mae croeso cynnes i chi ddod atom ni gydag unrhyw beth ychwanegol ysgrifenedig os dŷch chi eisiau ymateb i unrhyw sylwadau dŷch chi'n eu clywed oddi wrth bobl eraill. Byddwn ni - fel dŷn ni'n ei wneud fel arfer - yn danfon transcript atoch chi fel eich bod chi'n gallu sicrhau ein bod ni wedi cofnodi'n iawn popeth dŷch wedi'i ddweud, a dwi'n hynod o ddiolchgar i'r ddau ohonoch chi. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Thank you. Aled or Colin, do you want to add something? That point of view had been expressed clearly.
Welsh: Diolch. Aled neu Colin, ydych chi eisiau ychwanegu? Mae'n safbwynt eithaf clir, rwy'n credu.
English: There are tens of thousands of homes in Wales, according to an Ofcom report, that can't even receive a signal from Wales in terms of television, and we know that there are radio signal black spots in Wales, be that for BBC Wales or BBC Cymru. So, there is a failure across Wales for a number of homes to receive news that is broadcast for Wales. That clearly has a damaging impact in terms of democracy, in particular. When elections arise, people don't know what's happening down here in the bay. Interestingly, even though the democratic deficit exists, and everyone acknowledges that, you have the BBC, for example, investing hundreds of millions of pounds in something such as the World Service in dozens of languages worldwide, and they justify that by saying,'Well, there is a democratic deficit in those countries.' So, we do have to get to grips with that kind of deficit in Wales. We need to take control of regulation and make decisions in that regard.
Welsh: Mae degau o filoedd o gartrefi yng Nghymru, yn ôl adroddiad Ofcom sydd yn methu hyd yn oed derbyn signal Cymreig o ran y teledu, ac rydyn ni'n gwybod bod yna black spots signal radio Cymreig, boed o BBC Cymru neu BBC Wales hefyd. So, mae yna fethiant ar draws Cymru mewn nifer sylweddol o gartrefi i dderbyn y newyddion sydd yn cael ei ddarlledu ar gyfer Cymru. Mae hynna yn amlwg yn cael effaith niweidiol ar yr ochr ddemocrataidd yn enwedig; eu bod nhw, pan fo'r etholiadau'n dod o gwmpas, ddim yn gwybod beth sy'n digwydd yma yn y bae. Ac mae'n ddiddorol, er bod y diffyg democratiaeth yna yn bodoli a bod pawb yn ei gydnabod o, mae'r BBC, er enghraifft, yn buddsoddi cannoedd o filiynau o bunnoedd ar rywbeth fel y World Service mewn dwsinau o ieithoedd ar draws y byd, ac maen nhw'n cyfiawnhau hynny trwy ddweud bod yna ddiffyg democratiaeth yn y llefydd yma. So, mae'n rhaid inni fynd i'r afael â'r fath ddiffyg yma yng Nghymru, ac mae eisiau inni gymryd y rheolaeth a gwneud y penderfyniad dros hynny yma.
English: I would go further than Heledd. I think it's a very real threat to democracy in Wales if powers for broadcasting are not devolved. I think the lack of information as to who makes the decisions is so serious that you're putting the future of democracy at risk here in Wales. I do think it's important to bear in mind that from the 1950s, when the campaign for a Welsh Parliament was established, that broadcasting was one of those areas where they made a case for devolution. So, it's nothing new; it's been part of the campaign from the very beginning. Cledwyn Hughes and S.O. Davies were arguing for the devolution of broadcasting as part of the natural devolution settlement.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n mynd yn bellach na beth oedd Heledd yn ei ddweud. Rwy'n meddwl ei fod e'n fygythiad real i ddemocratiaeth yng Nghymru os nad yw pwerau dros ddarlledu yn cael eu datganoli. Dwi'n meddwl bod y diffyg gwybodaeth ynglŷn â phwy sy'n gwneud y penderfyniad mor ddifrifol eich bod chi mewn perygl o fygwth bodolaeth democratiaeth yng Nghymru. A dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n bwysig cofio, o'r 1950au pan sefydlwyd yr ymgyrch dros Senedd i Gymru, bod darlledu yn un o'r meysydd roedden nhw'n dadlau dros ddatganoli. Felly, dyw e ddim yn rhywbeth newydd; roedd e'n cael ei weld o gychwyn yr ymgyrch, gyda phobl, a Cledwyn Hughes ac S.O. Davies yn eu plith, yn dadlau dros ddatganoli darlledu fel rhan naturiol o'r setliad datganoli.
English: In terms of commercial broadcasting, at the moment if we were to look at commercial broadcasting, it's a huge threat at the moment. If we looked at our radio channels, Ceredigion is a very prominent example; it's encapsulated there in Ceredigion, because my generation remembers Radio Ceredigion as it should have been - local radio in the true sense of the word. And because of Ofcom regulation, that has been let go, and it's not local in any sense at all, in the name of commercial radio. Now, the kind of regulation that a body in Wales could make is to say, 'There has to be a certain amount of Welsh provision in Ceredigion, a percentage would have to be produced locally.' So, the commercial is the threat, in a way. It's not devolution that's the threat. It's devolution and creating our own regulation that will be our saviour, because there's no point for it to be described as local radio when it's produced in London. Ofcom simply isn't listening. Twenty years ago, we were fighting this case. When the licence was changed, we campaigned. We were arrested, a group of Cymdeithas members were arrested, and nothing came of it because it isn't important to Ofcom in any sense whatsoever. They don't understand it. Now, a national communications council for Wales, with the needs and aspirations of the people of Wales in mind, could regulate something as simple as that in order to safeguard the people of Wales from these commercial developments.
Welsh: Felly, commercial broadcasting, ar hyn o bryd tasem ni'n edrych ar ddarlledu masnachol, mae e'n fygythiad mawr ar hyn o bryd. Er enghraifft, tasem ni'n edrych ar ein sianeli radio ni, mae Ceredigion yn enghraifft amlwg; mae wedi'i grisialu yng Ngheredigion, achos mae fy nghenhedlaeth i yn cofio Radio Ceredigion fel y dylai fe fod - radio lleol yng ngwir ystyr y gair. Ac o achos rheoleiddio Ofcom, mae hynny wedi cael ei adael i fynd rhwng y cŵn a'r brain, a dyw e ddim yn lleol o gwbl, yn enw masnach. Nawr, y math o reoleiddio y gallai Cyngor Cyfathrebu Cenedlaethol yng Nghymru fod yn ei wneud yw, 'Na, mae'n rhaid bod hyn a hyn o Gymraeg ynddo fe yng Ngheredigion, mae'n rhaid bod hyn a hyn ohono fe'n cael ei gynhyrchu yn lleol.' Felly, y bygythiad masnachol yw'r bygythiad. Dim datganoli yw'r bygythiad. Datganoli a chreu rheoleiddio ein hunain fydd yr achubiad, achos does dim pwynt iddo fe ar hyn o bryd o gwbl gael ei alw'n radio lleol pan mae'n cael ei gynhyrchu yn Llundain. Dyw Ofcom ddim yn gwrando. Ugain mlynedd yn ôl, roeddem yn brwydro. Amser y cafodd y drwydded ei newid, mi wnaethom ni ymgyrchu. Fe gawsom ni'n arestio, criw o bobl y Gymdeithas, a daeth dim byd ohono fe achos dyw e ddim yn bwysig i Ofcom o gwbl. Dydyn nhw ddim yn ei ddeall e. Nawr, byddai Cyngor Cyfathrebu Cenedlaethol yng Nghymru, gyda dyheadau ac anghenion pobl Cymru mewn golwg, yn gallu rheoleiddio rhywbeth syml ofnadwy i arbed pobl Cymru, i warchod pobl Cymru yn erbyn cwmnïau masnachol fel hynny.
English: It's not part of Ofcom's remit to safeguard the Welsh language; they say that very clearly. They don't have a role in safeguarding the Welsh language or regulating on its behalf, so nobody's doing that work. So, if you want the Welsh language to disappear from the airwaves in commercial terms, that's what's happening and it's happening more often these days, because nobody has a remit to safeguard the language. So, that's one area where there is a clear need for regulation, because there isn't any. I would also say with regard to the point about people withdrawing from this sphere, we're familiar in the Welsh language field with major companies threatening to withdraw. And of course, they would say that because it's only profits that are important to some people, and to some of the people who've given evidence to you. They would say that, wouldn't they? They said it with regard to telecommunications and the provision of telephone services through the medium of Welsh. But it's very common worldwide that there are regulations in favour of minority languages in places such as the Basque Country and Catalunya. So, I would urge you not to listen to those capitalists whose only concern is profit, and instead listen to the 65 per cent of the people of Wales who are in favour of devolving broadcasting to Wales.
Welsh: Dyw e ddim yn rhan o remit Ofcom i amddiffyn y Gymraeg; maen nhw'n dweud hynny yn hollol blaen. Does ganddyn nhw ddim rôl yn amddiffyn y Gymraeg na rheoleiddio o ran y Gymraeg, felly does neb yn gwneud y gwaith yna. Felly, os ydych chi eisiau y Gymraeg i ddiflannu oddi ar yr awyr masnachol, dyna beth sydd yn digwydd a dyna beth sydd yn gynyddol yn digwydd, oherwydd does yna neb gyda phwrpas na remit i wneud hynny. Felly, dyna un maes amlwg lle mae angen rheoleiddio, a does yna ddim. Mi fuaswn i hefyd yn dweud ynghylch y pwynt am bobl yn tynnu mas, rydym ni'n hen gyfarwydd ym maes y Gymraeg â chwmnïau mawrion yn bygwth hynny. Mewn realiti - . Ac wrth gwrs, bydden nhw yn dweud hynna achos dim ond elw sydd yn bwysig i rai pobl, ac i rai o'r pobl efallai sydd wedi rhoi tystiolaeth i chi. Fe fydden nhw yn dweud hynny, ac roedden nhw yn dweud hynny yng nghyd-destun telathrebu a darparu gwasanaethau ffôn yn Gymraeg, ac yn y blaen. Ond mae'n gyffredin iawn ar draws y byd fod yna reoliadau am ieithoedd lleiafrifol yng nghyd-destunau fel Gwlad y Basg a Catalwnia. Felly, buaswn i'n erfyn arnoch chi i beidio â gwrando ar y cyfalafwyr sydd ond yn poeni am elw, ac yn hytrach gwrando ar y 65 y cant o bobl Cymru sydd o blaid datganoli darlledu i Gymru.
English: I have to ask you to try - . There is so much to say.
Welsh: Mae'n rhaid i fi ofyn i chi drio - . Mae cymaint i ddweud.
English: Quickly please.
Welsh: Jest yn glou os gwelwch yn dda.
English: 'What do we get from the BBC?', we must ask. We get news on a daily basis and it's coverage of what's happening with the Democratic Party in the USA. That is, we don't hear enough about what's happening in European elections, for example. Is that what we in Wales want? I think what I'm trying to say is that we need to look at the picture anew, not just look at what's good for the BBC, but what the people of Wales want and need, and start there, not looking at it from the point of view of the status quo.
Welsh: 'Beth ŷn ni'n cael wrth y BBC?', mae'n rhaid i ni ofyn. Rŷn ni'n cael newyddion yn ddyddiol o beth sy'n digwydd gyda'r Blaid Ddemocrataidd yn America. Hynny yw, dŷn ni ddim yn cael beth sy'n digwydd yn etholiadau Ewrop ddigon, er enghraifft. Ife dyna beth rŷn ni fel Cymry yn moyn? Hynny yw, beth rwy'n dadlau, rwy'n credu, beth rwy'n trio ei ddweud yw bod eisiau i ni ailedrych ar y llun i gyd, nid edrych ar beth sydd orau i'r BBC, sut mae'r BBC, ond beth mae pobl Cymru yn moyn a beth ŷn ni ei angen, a dechrau o fynna, nid dechrau o beth sydd gyda ni.
English: Just to remind my fellow Members and witnesses that we are short of time.
Welsh: Ie. Jest i atgoffa fy nghyd-Aelodau a'r tystion bod ein hamser ni yn brin.
English: There is so much to say, I know, and it's very important that we do hear from you, of course, but I do want to ensure that we do cover all of the questions, so that you can respond to some of the points that have arisen from the paper that you've already presented.
Welsh: Na, na, mae cymaint i'w ddweud, ac mae'n bwysig iawn, iawn, ein bod ni'n clywed oddi wrthych chi, ond dwi eisiau sicrhau ein bod ni'n mynd trwy'r cwestiynau i gyd, fel eich bod chi'n gallu ymateb i rai o'r pwyntiau sydd wedi codi o'r papur dŷch chi wedi'i gyflwyno i ni yn barod.