English: Yes, we - . I would have to look into that, but when I had a - . [Interruption.] Thank you, Joyce. To continue, when I had this exchange with the Minister responsible, Lesley Griffiths, we did actually have this difference of opinion over data. So, I apologise; I will look into it. I am being given data; I haven't actually - . I can't personally verify where it came from at this point. Right. We do have therefore problems of fly-tipping in various areas. Okay, we've done that. Looking at Cardiff, we have had almost weekly instalments in the 'South Wales Echo' of admittedly anecdotal evidence, but there have been plenty of photographs that have been provided by concerned local householders in recent years pointing to their belief that fly-tipping has increased rapidly in the last couple of years. Recently, there has been a clearance of bushes on land around the main railway line that has revealed the huge amount of waste deposited illegally on this land over the past few years, and that didn't become apparent until the bushes were actually cut back, and it's quite a dramatic sight. Clearly, the so-called 'zero waste' policy is not leading to zero waste at all, and, indeed, it seems to be actually increasing the amount of waste that is illegally fly-tipped in Wales. In Cardiff, the Welsh Government's policy has, in fact, been undermined by the Labour council's decision to close down two of the city's four recycling depots, which seems a curious way in which to try and achieve zero waste. So, I wonder what observations the Minister will have regarding that decision. Over the past couple of years, Cardiff council has tended to hide behind the need to comply with EU waste recycling targets when they have been asked why the policies of waste collection are changing. They always say this: Bob Derbyshire, who's in charge of it at cabinet level, he has always recited that they need to comply with EU waste recycling targets, but now that we are leaving the EU, we can ourselves, as a - . [Interruption.] Ah, okay, perhaps you can elucidate on that, but he is still claiming the need to comply with EU targets. We now have our own target of zero waste, so it's not an EU target. So, we do need to consider the cost of slavishly adhering to very stiff targets. I think that we now need to have a good hard look at our own zero waste policy, and perhaps the debate today will help us to do that. Thank you.
Welsh: Oes, mae - . Byddai'n rhaid imi edrych ar hynny, ond pan gefais - . [Torri ar draws.] Diolch, Joyce. I barhau, pan gefais y sgwrs hon â'r Gweinidog sy'n gyfrifol, Lesley Griffiths, roeddem yn anghytuno ar y pwynt hwn ynghylch data. Felly, rwy'n ymddiheuro; mi edrychaf ar hyn. Mae data yn cael eu rhoi imi; nid wyf wir wedi - . Ni allaf yn bersonol wirio o ble y daeth ar hyn o bryd. Iawn. Felly, mae gennym broblemau â thipio anghyfreithlon mewn rhai ardaloedd. Iawn, rydym wedi gwneud hynny. O edrych ar Gaerdydd, rydym wedi gweld straeon bron bob wythnos yn y 'South Wales Echo' am dystiolaeth sydd, mae'n rhaid cyfaddef, yn anecdotaidd, ond mae deiliaid tai lleol pryderus wedi darparu digon o luniau yn y blynyddoedd diwethaf sy'n pwyntio at eu cred bod tipio anghyfreithlon wedi cynyddu'n gyflym yn y ddwy flynedd ddiwethaf. Yn ddiweddar, cafodd llwyni eu clirio ar dir o amgylch y brif reilffordd gan ddatgelu'r swm enfawr o wastraff a gafodd ei adael yn anghyfreithlon ar y tir hwn dros yr ychydig flynyddoedd diwethaf, ac ni ddaeth hynny i'r amlwg nes i'r llwyni gael eu torri'n ôl, ac mae'n olygfa eithaf dramatig. Yn amlwg, nid yw'r polisi 'diwastraff' hwn, fel y'i gelwir, yn arwain at fod yn ddiwastraff o gwbl, ac, yn wir, mae'n ymddangos ei fod mewn gwirionedd yn cynyddu faint o wastraff sy'n cael ei dipio'n anghyfreithlon yng Nghymru. Yng Nghaerdydd, mae polisi Llywodraeth Cymru, a dweud y gwir, wedi cael ei danseilio gan benderfyniad y cyngor Llafur i gau dau o bedwar depo ailgylchu'r ddinas, sy'n edrych fel ffordd ryfedd o geisio cyflawni dyfodol diwastraff. Felly, tybed pa sylwadau a fydd gan y Gweinidog ynghylch y penderfyniad hwnnw. Dros y flwyddyn neu ddwy ddiwethaf, mae cyngor Caerdydd wedi tueddu i guddio y tu ôl i'r angen i gydymffurfio â thargedau ailgylchu gwastraff yr UE pan ofynnwyd iddynt pam mae polisïau casglu gwastraff yn newid. Maen nhw bob amser yn dweud hyn: mae Bob Derbyshire, sy'n gyfrifol am hynny ar lefel y cabinet, wedi dweud bob amser bod angen iddynt gydymffurfio â thargedau ailgylchu gwastraff yr UE, ond a ninnau nawr yn gadael yr UE, gallwn ni ein hunain, fel - . [Torri ar draws.] A, iawn, efallai y gallwch daflu goleuni ar hynny, ond mae ef yn dal i hawlio bod angen cydymffurfio â thargedau'r UE. Erbyn hyn mae gennym ein targed ein hunain o ddim gwastraff, felly nid targed yr UE ydyw. Felly, mae angen inni ystyried cost glynu'n slafaidd at dargedau anhyblyg iawn. Credaf fod angen inni edrych yn ofalus iawn ar ein polisi dim gwastraff ein hunain yn awr, ac efallai y gwnaiff y ddadl heddiw ein helpu i wneud hynny. Diolch.