English: I thank the Government for bringing this motion and for the various amendments that have been made to it. It's the intention of my group to support both the motion and all the amendments to it. However, coming to this as a non-specialist in the area, I do find it a little difficult to engage with the debate and make any assessment of the relative merits of the motion versus the amendments that are made to it. It speaks of what would appear to be good work by Welsh Government in this area and, from the Conservative amendments, to what appear to be good work, at least, in some cases promises of future work, from the UK Government. There is some use of what, to a non-specialist, I might describe as jargon. I don't wish to be pejorative about that, but I don't understand what 'outside-in' means in this context. Although we will support the motion and the amendments, I would welcome some exposition of what is required there. Similarly with 'stranded assets', we did have from Russell the example of fibre cables hanging from poles near homes, so I infer from that there's been investment that then isn't properly exploited and is left there just hanging and stranded. Does that perhaps relate to the failure to link up Superfast Cymru phase 1 and phase 2? I wonder from the Government, they say they've connected another 733,000 premises that wouldn't have been connected were it not for Welsh Government's intervention, and I know no reason to doubt what the Government states on it, but I just wonder what the cost of that has been. There was some reference to EU funds, but also from the Government's own funds, and actually transferring money that would have been spent on schools and hospitals into this area. How much money has that been? Do we consider that it has provided value for money and has been worthwhile in all the circumstances? Clearly, some particularly rural areas are going to be harder and more expensive to link up than others. But we don't have any numbers or financial sense in this motion or the amendments about what those are, and before judging the extent to which Government, whether UK or Welsh Government, should properly intervene and invest money in this area, it would be useful to know something about what the costs of those are, and how it's proposed that they are going to be borne. With reference to amendment 2, I particularly support the recent £1 billion announcement by UK Government about using and having a shared rural network. I've long argued that the approach in this area should be, particularly in the rural areas that can't otherwise be economically provided for, given the level of public investment, that there should be a shared utility approach. So if we are taking that forward, that strikes me as a positive thing, although I note currently it's only for the 4G technology, and wonder how in due course that might be rolled out to 5G. We also support the Plaid Cymru amendment about a one-stop shop to assist people with the many, many different technical measures and different funding streams available to help them access that. That strikes me as very sensible. My final plea, and I think it's probably unrealistic over the next month or so, but would be for UK Government and Welsh Government to work together in this area to a greater degree than appears to have been the case before, and, clearly, there will be difficult conversations about who's funding what. But given the particular challenges and level of rurality we face in Wales, but this being a non-devolved issue, but Welsh Government having been willing to invest money in it, surely UK Government and Welsh Government should sit down, work together, think best how to incentivise providers, how to pay for this, and make sure that the different levels of investment are working in tandem and supporting each other rather than at cross purposes. So, I hope, at least after 12 December, some thought may be given to that by both Welsh and UK Government.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Llywodraeth am ddod â'r cynnig hwn gerbron ac am y gwelliannau amrywiol sydd wedi'u gwneud iddo. Bwriad fy ngrŵp yw cefnogi'r cynnig a'r holl welliannau iddo. Fodd bynnag, drwy ddod at hwn fel un nad yw'n arbenigwr yn y maes, rwy'n ei chael hi braidd yn anodd cymryd rhan yn y ddadl a gwneud unrhyw asesiad o rinweddau cymharol y cynnig yn erbyn y gwelliannau sy'n cael eu gwneud iddo. Mae'n sôn am yr hyn sy'n ymddangos yn waith da gan Lywodraeth Cymru yn y maes hwn ac, o welliannau'r Ceidwadwyr, i'r hyn sy'n ymddangos yn waith da, o leiaf, mewn rhai achosion, yn addewidion o waith yn y dyfodol, gan Lywodraeth y DU. Mae rhywfaint o ddefnydd o'r hyn y byddwn i, fel un nad yw'r arbenigwr, yn ei ddisgrifio fel jargon. Dydw i ddim yn dymuno bod yn ddifrïol ynghylch hynny, ond dydw i ddim yn deall beth yw ystyr 'o'r tu allan i mewn' yn y cyd-destun hwn. Er y byddwn ni'n cefnogi'r cynnig a'r gwelliannau, byddwn yn croesawu rhywfaint o eglurhad ynghylch yr hyn sydd ei angen yn hynny o beth. Yn yr un modd gydag 'asedau wedi'u hynysu', cawsom gan Russell yr enghraifft o geblau ffeibr yn hongian ar bolion ger cartrefi, felly rwy'n casglu o hynny y bu buddsoddiad na fanteisiwyd arno'n llawn, ac y gadawyd ceblau'n hongian. A yw hynny efallai'n ymwneud â'r methiant i gysylltu cam 1 Cyflymu Cymru a cham 2? Tybed o ran y Llywodraeth, maen nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw wedi cysylltu 733,000 o safleoedd eraill na fyddant wedi eu cysylltu oni bai am ymyrraeth Llywodraeth Cymru, ac ni wn i am unrhyw reswm i amau'r hyn y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei ddweud ynghylch hynny, ond tybed beth oedd cost hynny. Cafwyd rhywfaint o gyfeirio at gronfeydd yr UE, ond hefyd cronfeydd y Llywodraeth ei hun, ac mewn gwirionedd trosglwyddo arian a fyddai wedi cael ei wario ar ysgolion ac ysbytai i'r maes hwn. Faint o arian oedd hynny? A ydym ni'n ystyried ei fod wedi rhoi gwerth am arian ac y bu'n werth wneud hynny o dan yr holl amgylchiadau? Yn amlwg, mae ardaloedd arbennig o wledig yn mynd i fod yn galetach ac yn ddrutach i'w cysylltu nag eraill. Ond nid oes gennym ni unrhyw ffigurau na synnwyr ariannol yn y cynnig hwn na'r gwelliannau ynghylch beth yw'r rheini, a chyn barnu i ba raddau y dylai'r Llywodraeth, boed yn Llywodraeth y DU neu Lywodraeth Cymru, ymyrryd yn iawn a buddsoddi arian yn y maes hwn, byddai'n ddefnyddiol cael gwybod rhywbeth am gostau'r rheini, a sut y cynigir y cânt eu hysgwyddo. Gan gyfeirio at welliant 2, rwyf yn cefnogi'n arbennig cyhoeddiad diweddar Llywodraeth y DU ynghylch y £1 biliwn ac ynghylch defnyddio a chael rhwydwaith gwledig ar y cyd. Rwyf wedi dadlau ers tro y dylai'r dull gweithredu yn y maes hwn fod, yn enwedig yn yr ardaloedd gwledig na ellir darparu ar eu cyfer fel arall, o ystyried lefel y buddsoddiad cyhoeddus, y dylid cael cyfleustodau ar y cyd. Felly, os ydym yn bwrw ymlaen â hynny, mae hynny'n fy nharo i fel peth cadarnhaol, er fy mod yn nodi mai dim ond ar gyfer technoleg 4G y mae ar hyn o bryd, ac rwy'n meddwl tybed sut y gellid cyflwyno hynny i 5G maes o law. Rydym ni hefyd yn cefnogi gwelliant Plaid Cymru ynglŷn â chael un adnodd cynhwysfawr i helpu pobl gyda'r llu o fesurau technegol gwahanol a'r gwahanol ffrydiau ariannu sydd ar gael i'w helpu i allu elw ar hynny. Mae hynny'n fy nharo i fel rhywbeth synhwyrol iawn. Fy nghais olaf, ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn afrealistig, mae'n debyg, dros y mis neu fwy nesaf, serch hynny fyddai i Lywodraeth y DU a Llywodraeth Cymru gydweithio mwy yn y maes hwn nag y mae'n ymddangos y buont yn gwneud cyn hyn, ac, yn amlwg, bydd sgyrsiau anodd ynghylch pwy sy'n ariannu beth. Ond o ystyried yr heriau penodol sy'n ein hwynebu yng Nghymru, a'n natur wledig, a bod hwn yn fater heb ei ddatganoli, ond y bu Llywodraeth Cymru yn fodlon buddsoddi arian ynddo, yn sicr dylai Llywodraeth y DU a Llywodraeth Cymru eistedd i lawr, gweithio gyda'i gilydd, ac ystyried sut orau i gymell darparwyr, sut i dalu am hyn, a sicrhau bod y gwahanol lefelau o fuddsoddiad yn gweithio ar y cyd ac yn cefnogi ei gilydd yn hytrach na gweithio'n groes. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio, ar ôl y deuddegfed o Ragfyr o leiaf, y gallai Llywodraeth Cymru a'r DU feddwl am hynny.