English: These are historic days for us as a nation. They are historic times for us as a democratic body. There are uniquely Welsh taxes being levied for the very first time in modern times, and it's an important step for us in terms of the maturity of this Assembly, the maturity of the Welsh Government and the need for a culture change - the need to think differently about the work of Government. The Government is being forced to think more creatively and, in that regard, of course, we don't have to change taxation rates in order for taxation powers to be valuable. As we heard from the Conservative spokesperson: increasing the tax base is what's important. That's the challenge now: to ensure that economic opportunities are created that create a greater tax base that can then, of course, be spent on Welsh services, and that is why we agree with clause 1 of today's motion, recognising 'the vital importance of attracting people, businesses and investment to Wales as a means of growing taxing revenue in Wales.' But, indeed, we wish to add to that, because there is far more than that entailed in this. What our amendment says is that we need to emphasise 'the priority of ensuring economic growth and increases in revenue through supporting indigenous businesses.' That is crucially important, of course, and I do hope to have support for that amendment. Although we don't necessarily need to change tax rates, we must be willing to think creatively about how we use powers to vary tax rates, and that's why we can't agree to support clause 2 of the motion, not because we as a party at the moment wish to increase income tax - we haven't come to decisions on that as of yet - but because we think that insisting that the Government doesn't use those powers sets quite an unfortunate precedent at the beginning of this period, as we adopt taxation powers for the very first time. We must be ready to think creatively. We were established as a body that was a spending body, but becoming a body that also levies taxes is part of the maturing process that is part of the national journey that we're on as a nation. We didn't legislate at the outset. We are now a legislature, and I hope that that has enabled us to develop, over time, a Welsh approach to legislation. We historically did have a uniquely Welsh way of legislating - I'm thinking of the laws of Hywel Dda, which were strikingly different to the legislation that has become characteristic of the modern United Kingdom - and there is nothing that should preclude us from developing taxation models that are different and uniquely Welsh. That is why I wouldn't want to see limitations placed on the power of any Government to make decisions that could be of benefit to the people of Wales. What we say in our second amendment, which deletes point 2, is that we want to promote 'a mature civic discussion regarding how best to use new devolved taxation powers for the economic and social benefit of Wales.' And what we mean by that is that we are on a journey towards creating a uniquely Welsh taxation model, and I would also invite the Conservatives to do that.
Welsh: Mae'r rhain yn ddyddiau hanesyddol i ni fel cenedl. Maen nhw'n ddyddiau hanesyddol i ni fel corff democrataidd newydd. Mae yna drethi neilltuol Cymreig yn cael eu codi am y tro cyntaf yn yr oes fodern, ac mae o'n gam pwysig i ni o ran aeddfedrwydd y Cynulliad, aeddfedrwydd Llywodraeth Cymru a'r angen am newid diwylliant - am feddwl mewn ffordd wahanol ynglŷn â gwaith y Llywodraeth. Mae'r Llywodraeth yn cael ei gorfodi i feddwl mewn ffordd fwy creadigol. Yn hynny o beth, wrth gwrs, does dim rhaid newid cyfraddau trethiant er mwyn i bwerau trethiant fod yn werthfawr. Fel y clywsom ni gan lefarydd y Ceidwadwyr: cynyddu sail y trethiant sydd yn bwysig. Dyna'r her rŵan: gwneud yn siŵr bod cyfleon economaidd yn cael eu creu sydd yn creu rhagor o dreth i gael ei thalu i wario ar wasanaethau yng Nghymru. Dyna pam, yn sicr, rydym ni'n cyd-fynd â chymal 1 yn y cynnig heddiw - 'cydnabod pwysigrwydd hanfodol denu pobl, busnesau a buddsoddiad i Gymru fel modd o dyfu refeniw treth yng Nghymru' - ond yn wir am ychwanegu ato fo, oherwydd mae yna lawer fwy na hynny iddi hi. Beth y mae ein gwelliant ni yn ei ddweud ydy bod ishio ychwanegu at hynny fod angen 'pwysleisio blaenoriaethu sicrhau twf economaidd a chynnydd mewn refeniw drwy gefnogi busnes cynhenid.' Mae hynny'n gwbl allweddol, wrth gwrs, a dwi'n gobeithio cael cefnogaeth i'r gwelliant hwnnw. Er nad oes angen, yn angenrheidiol, newid cyfraddau treth, mae'n rhaid i ni, wrth gwrs, fod yn barod i feddwl yn greadigol ynglŷn â sut i ddefnyddio pwerau i amrywio cyfraddau, a dyna pam na allwn ni gytuno i gefnogi cymal 2 - nid oherwydd ein bod ni, fel plaid, ar hyn o bryd eisiau cynyddu treth incwm - dŷn ni ddim wedi dod i benderfyniadau ar hynny eto - ond am ein bod ni'n meddwl bod, rywsut, mynnu nad ydy'r Llywodraeth yn defnyddio'r pwerau yn gosod cynsail braidd yn anffodus ar ddechrau'r cyfnod yma o fabwysiadu pwerau trethiant am y tro cyntaf. Mae'n rhaid inni fod yn barod i feddwl yn greadigol. Mi gawsom ni ein sefydlu fel corff a oedd yn gwario yn unig. Mae dod yn gorff sydd yn trethu yn rhan o aeddfedrwydd sydd yn rhan o'r daith genedlaethol rydym ni'n mynd arni hi fel gwlad. Doedden ni ddim yn deddfu ar y dechrau. Rydyn ni'n deddfu erbyn hyn, ac mae hynny, dwi'n gobeithio, yn mynd i'n galluogi ni i ddatblygu dros amser ffordd Gymreig o ddeddfu. Mi oedd gennym ni yn hanesyddol, wrth gwrs, ffordd wahanol neilltuol Gymreig o ddeddfu, ac rydw i'n meddwl am ddeddfau Hywel Dda, a oedd yn drawiadol o wahanol i'r math o ddeddfu sydd wedi dod yn nodwedd o'r Deyrnas Unedig fodern. Does yna ddim byd a ddylai ein hatal ni rhag datblygu model trethu sy'n wahanol ac sy'n neilltuol Gymreig, a dyna pam fynnwn ni ddim gweld cyfyngu ar bŵer unrhyw Lywodraeth i wneud penderfyniadau a all fod o les i bobl Cymru. Beth rydym ni'n ei ddweud yn ein hail welliant ni, sydd yn dileu pwynt 2 y Ceidwadwyr, ydy ein bod ni am 'annog trafodaeth sifig aeddfed ynglŷn â sut orau i ddefnyddio pwerau trethiannol datganoledig newydd er budd economaidd a chymdeithasol Cymru.' A beth rydym ni'n ei feddwl wrth hynny ydy ein bod ni'n mynd ar daith tuag at greu model Cymreig o drethiant, ac rydw i'n gwahodd y Ceidwadwyr hefyd i wneud hynny.