English: But I think what I should say is that, certainly with my portfolio as Counsel General and Minister of the Constitution, and with the Minister for Social Justice, what we have recognised is, of course, the Thomas Commission recommended there should be a justice Minister; well, in actual fact, we've effectively created that by the close co-operation in many ways we get, which is more advantageous in the way we're working. But, of course, the issue of justice and the technical aspects of justice, and particularly those that are within our jurisdiction, go very much hand in hand with socioeconomic justice as well. And I think that partnership has been very, very effective. And I think what I would also say is, of course, the work that is going on in really preparing a very detailed analysis of the Thomas commission recommendations, the work that is going on in partnership with UK Government at the moment, what it has achieved and how it could achieve more, the things that we think could actually be delivered better in terms of justice by the devolution of justice, and also beginning to set the framework for justice, I think is something that will be very substantial. And I do look forward to that debate, because I think we're at the stage where Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd's comments that the devolution of justice is not of question of if but when are beginning to come to fruition. And I see one of the important contributions to that as being the reform of the tribunals. And, as you say, they have come to us in a sort of ad hoc way, have been developed or created in that sort of environment as well. But we have the opportunity, I think, as a result of the recommendations of the Law Commission, to look at the creation of a new administrative justice system within Wales, with potentially its own appellate structure, and I think that would be a very significant step towards, I think, what is an objective that most of those working within the justice system would recognise as being a step forward.
Welsh: Ond rwy'n credu mai'r hyn y dylwn ei ddweud, yn sicr gyda fy mhortffolio i fel Cwnsler Cyffredinol a Gweinidog y Cyfansoddiad, a gyda'r Gweinidog Cyfiawnder Cymdeithasol, yw ein bod wedi cydnabod, wrth gwrs, fod Comisiwn Thomas wedi argymell y dylid cael Gweinidog cyfiawnder; wel, mewn gwirionedd, rydym wedi creu'r swydd honno i bob pwrpas drwy'r cydweithrediad agos a gawn mewn sawl ffordd, sy'n fwy manteisiol i'r ffordd y gweithiwn. Ond wrth gwrs, mae mater cyfiawnder ac agweddau technegol ar gyfiawnder, ac yn enwedig y rhai sydd o fewn ein hawdurdodaeth, yn mynd law yn llaw â chyfiawnder economaidd-gymdeithasol hefyd. A chredaf fod y bartneriaeth honno wedi bod yn effeithiol tu hwnt. A chredaf y byddwn hefyd yn dweud, wrth gwrs, fod y gwaith sy'n mynd rhagddo i baratoi dadansoddiad manwl iawn o argymhellion comisiwn Thomas, y gwaith sy'n mynd rhagddo mewn partneriaeth â Llywodraeth y DU ar hyn o bryd, yr hyn y mae wedi'i gyflawni a sut y gallai gyflawni mwy, y pethau y credwn y gellid eu cyflawni'n well o safbwynt cyfiawnder drwy ddatganoli cyfiawnder, a hefyd dechrau gosod y fframwaith ar gyfer cyfiawnder, credaf y bydd y gwaith hwnnw'n sylweddol iawn. Ac edrychaf ymlaen at y ddadl honno, oherwydd credaf ein bod wedi cyrraedd pwynt lle mae sylwadau'r Arglwydd Thomas o Gwmgïedd fod datganoli cyfiawnder yn fater o 'pryd' yn hytrach nag 'os' yn dechrau dwyn ffrwyth. Ac rwy'n gweld mai un o'r cyfraniadau pwysig i hynny yw diwygio'r tribiwnlysoedd. Ac fel y dywedwch, maent wedi dod atom mewn ffordd braidd yn ad hoc, ac maent wedi'u datblygu neu eu creu yn y math hwnnw o amgylchedd hefyd. Ond mae gennym gyfle, rwy'n credu, o ganlyniad i argymhellion Comisiwn y Gyfraith, i ystyried creu system cyfiawnder gweinyddol newydd yng Nghymru, gyda'i strwythur apeliadol ei hun o bosibl, a chredaf y byddai hwnnw'n gam sylweddol iawn tuag at amcan y byddai'r rhan fwyaf o'r bobl sy'n gweithio yn y system gyfiawnder yn ei gydnabod fel cam ymlaen.