English: I welcome the fact that UKIP have brought this debate to the Chamber this afternoon, and I must say it's difficult to add to Caroline Jones's opening passionate and excellent contribution, which covered so many different areas and aspects, not only of how we got into this position, but also the real suffering that some women are going through in this position. Also, you quoted your own personal experience as well. Can I start by saying that I have, like all other AMs, great sympathy for the women affected by these changes to the state pension and, as I said, what they're going through at this moment? One of my members of staff is actually in a similar position herself to that set out by Caroline Jones, so it's a sensitive issue in my office so I have it close to home. So, I'm not just speaking about this issue today from a distance, as clearly not a WASPI myself - [ Inaudible.] - but from personal experience of friendships and colleagues. I'm sure that all AMs here have been approached at some point by women in this situation, and, as Caroline Jones did today, the WASPI women make a very strong, passionate case, so it is very difficult not to be compelled by what they have to say. And as politicians, Assembly Members, that is our job. Some of the stories that Vikki Howells mentioned do touch the heart strings. Of course, to say this is purely an issue that happened under this UK Government is not true. Certainly, some of the changes that happened in 2010-11, you're quite right to point those out, but as you said, the changes, actually, are a consequence of going back as far as the Pensions Act 1995, which set this train in motion. Back then, the changes were deliberately held back for a length of time with the intention, at least, to give the women affected time to plan for their retirement. Now, of course, we know that that process - . Well, to say it was far from perfect is an understatement; it clearly hasn't worked. Whilst it is a Conservative Government in power at the moment, of course, this has happened under a number of Governments. It's happened under a coalition Government, going back to the 1990s it was a Conservative Government and, of course, the Labour Government in between. So, along the line, there has been a successive failure of effective communication between UK Government and the WASPI women and that is regrettable, but as you've said, Caroline, it's difficult, not always impossible, but difficult to correct past mistakes, and so what we have to do, as Vikki Howells said as well, is see how we can best support those women. Now, this isn't a devolved issue; Julie James has had nothing, well, very little to do with the changes in legislation at UK level. I must say, though, I did find the Government amendment, which changes the call for the Welsh Government to work with the UK Government to the Welsh Government to 'urge' the UK Government a little pedantic. I'm sure there was some - . Well, you can probably explain the reason for that drafting. But, I think that the public would not mind, Julie, if the Welsh Government, even though it isn't a devolved responsibility, was actually working with the UK Government in this instance. We do have two Governments, as we know - we've got the UK Government at the other end of the M4, as Plaid are often keen to point out, and we have the Welsh Government here. So, I think there does need to be co-operation. Even though the levers of power on this are in Westminster, I think there does need to be a concerted effort here to get the UK Government -
Welsh: Rwy'n croesawu'r ffaith bod UKIP wedi wedi cyflwyno'r ddadl hon i'r Siambr y prynhawn yma, a rhaid imi ddweud ei bod hi'n anodd ychwanegu at gyfraniad angerddol a rhagorol Caroline Jones wrth agor, cyfraniad a oedd yn cwmpasu cymaint o wahanol feysydd ac agweddau, nid yn unig o ran sut y daethom i'r sefyllfa hon, ond hefyd y dioddefaint go iawn y mae rhai menywod yn mynd drwyddo yn y sefyllfa hon. Fe roesoch eich profiad personol yn ogystal. A gaf fi ddechrau drwy ddweud bod gennyf gydymdeimlad mawr, fel pob AC, â'r menywod yr effeithiwyd arnynt gan y newidiadau hyn i bensiwn y wladwriaeth ac fel y dywedais, yr hyn y maent yn mynd drwyddo ar hyn o bryd? Mae un o aelodau fy staff mewn sefyllfa debyg i'r un a nodwyd gan Caroline Jones mewn gwirionedd, felly mae'n fater sensitif yn fy swyddfa ac yn agos at adref i mi. Felly, nid siarad am y mater hwn o bell rwyf fi heddiw, gan nad wyf yn WASPI fy hun wrth gwrs - [ Anhyglywadwy.] - ond o brofiad personol ffrindiau a chydweithwyr. Rwy'n siŵr fod yr holl ACau yma wedi clywed ar ryw bwynt gan fenywod yn y sefyllfa hon, ac fel y gwnaeth Caroline Jones heddiw, mae menywod WASPI yn dadlau eu hachos yn gryf ac angerddol, felly mae'n anodd iawn i ni beidio â chael ein cymell gan yr hyn sydd ganddynt i'w ddweud. Ac fel gwleidyddion, Aelodau'r Cynulliad, dyna yw ein gwaith. Mae rhai o'r straeon a grybwyllodd Vikki Howells yn cyffwrdd â'r galon. Wrth gwrs, nid yw'n wir dweud mai mater a ddigwyddodd o dan y Llywodraeth hon yn y DU yw hwn. Yn sicr, rydych yn gywir i dynnu sylw at rai o'r newidiadau a ddigwyddodd yn 2010-11, ond fel y dywedoch, mae'r newidiadau, mewn gwirionedd, yn deillio o gyfnod mor bell yn ôl â Deddf Pensiynau 1995, a osododd y pethau hyn ar waith. Bryd hynny, cafodd y newidiadau eu dal yn ôl yn fwriadol am gyfnod o amser gyda'r bwriad, o leiaf, i roi amser i'r menywod yr effeithiwyd arnynt gynllunio ar gyfer eu hymddeoliad. Nawr, wrth gwrs, gwyddom fod y broses honno - . Wel, mae dweud ei bod ymhell o fod yn berffaith yn bell iawn o'r gwir; mae'n amlwg nad yw wedi gweithio. Er mai Llywodraeth Geidwadol sydd mewn grym ar hyn o bryd, wrth gwrs, mae hyn wedi digwydd o dan nifer o Lywodraethau. Digwyddodd o dan Lywodraeth glymblaid, ac mae'n mynd yn ôl at y 1990au o dan Lywodraeth Geidwadol a'r Llywodraeth Lafur yn y canol wrth gwrs. Felly, ar hyd y cyfnod, gwelwyd methiant olynol i gyfathrebu'n effeithiol rhwng Llywodraeth y DU a menywod WASPI ac mae hynny'n destun gofid, ond fel rydych wedi dweud, Caroline, mae'n anodd, er nad bob amser yn amhosibl, ond mae'n anodd cywiro camgymeriadau'r gorffennol, ac felly yr hyn sy'n rhaid inni ei wneud, fel y dywedodd Vikki Howells hefyd, yw gweld sut y gallwn gefnogi'r menywod hynny yn y ffordd orau. Nawr, nid yw hwn yn fater sydd wedi'i ddatganoli; nid yw Julie James wedi bod ag unrhyw ran, wel, fawr iawn o ran yn y newidiadau yn y ddeddfwriaeth ar lefel y DU. Rhaid imi ddweud, er hynny, roeddwn yn teimlo bod gwelliant y Llywodraeth, sy'n newid yr alwad ar Lywodraeth Cymru i weithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU, i Lywodraeth Cymru i 'annog' Llywodraeth y DU ychydig yn bedantig. Rwy'n siŵr fod rhyw - . Wel, mae'n debyg y gallwch egluro'r rheswm dros y drafftio. Ond credaf na fyddai gwahaniaeth gan y cyhoedd, Julie, pe bai Llywodraeth Cymru, er nad yw'n gyfrifoldeb sydd wedi'i ddatganoli, yn gweithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU yn yr achos hwn mewn gwirionedd. Mae gennym ddwy Lywodraeth, fel y gwyddom - mae gennym Lywodraeth y DU ar ben arall yr M4, fel y mae Plaid Cymru'n aml yn awyddus i nodi, ac mae gennym Lywodraeth Cymru yma. Felly, credaf fod angen cydweithredu. Er bod y grym i weithredu ar hyn yn San Steffan, credaf fod angen ymdrech gyfunol yma i gael Llywodraeth y DU -