English: I thank Caroline Jones for her contribution, and recognise that we were on the health committee together, along with Rhun ap Iorwerth, and the Chair is now here as well - and did that very outstanding report, I think, about loneliness and isolation, particularly in relation to older people. So, Caroline Jones recognises the health risks, and she says that there are many reasons why people suffer from loneliness and isolation. But I think it's important to remember that there are trigger points when it is much more likely that people will suffer in that way, such as retirement - retirement does cause isolation and loneliness - and bereavement. And there are many trigger points, which I think it is possible for us to become more aware of, which means that we will be able to tackle those issues better. One of the things that we are very keen to do is to try to get rid of the stigma of loneliness and isolation, making it possible for people to be able to say, 'I'm lonely', without it seeming like it's something to be ashamed of. So, I think that is one of the things - as much as we can talk about loneliness and isolation. And we're using Public Health Wales, who are having a conversation about well-being, to see what we can find out about what the public is thinking and saying about these things in order to raise awareness. And then, of course, I have met with most of my ministerial colleagues to discuss how we can tackle these issues. Because, again, I've got to reiterate that this is a cross-Government approach, and it's certainly not something the Government alone can do - this is a whole-societal issue, so what Government can do is to try to lead the way and raise awareness, but we can't solve it. So, that's very important, I think, to remember. The issue about the closure of local facilities has come up earlier on in this debate, and obviously it is a huge loss for many people who may have made the focus of their lives in a local community centre or a local library. But as I said, we are helping to fund the creation of hubs, which certainly is happening in Cardiff, where libraries are converting to hubs, and where there are places for people to come and get information and to mix and to have gardening classes and a whole range of things. I think that's the sort of thing we've got to really develop. In terms of digital exclusion, yes, we are working to help people become more digitally included, and one of the inter-generational projects we've had, which is so important, is where young people go and help older people to be able to use digital means to keep in contact with their families, and to Skype their families who may live on the other side of the world. I think it's very important that we do that, but always bearing in mind, as she said, that there are some people who need other, more traditional means of having contact. She mentions the importance of the voluntary groups - hen sheds, men's sheds, all the ones we know are doing such huge work in order to keep people connected and to keep people joined. Obviously, they are a key part of our strategy as we go forward, as indeed they are a key part of the Government's strategy. And, again, community infrastructure and good public transport links we know is one of the absolute key issues that we'll be addressing.
Welsh: Diolch i Caroline Jones am ei chyfraniad, ac rwy'n cydnabod y buom ni ar y pwyllgor iechyd gyda'n gilydd, ynghyd â Rhun ap Iorwerth, ac mae'r Cadeirydd yma bellach hefyd - ac fe gyflwynodd yr adroddiad rhagorol hwnnw, rwy'n credu, am unigrwydd ac ynysigrwydd, yn enwedig mewn cysylltiad â phobl hŷn. Felly, mae Caroline Jones yn cydnabod y risgiau i iechyd, ac mae'n dweud bod llawer o resymau pam mae pobl yn dioddef o unigrwydd ac ynysigrwydd. Ond rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig cofio bod adegau tyngedfennol pan fydd hi'n llawer mwy tebygol y bydd pobl yn dioddef fel hyn, megis ymddeol - mae ymddeol yn achosi ynysigrwydd ac unigrwydd - a phrofedigaeth. Ac mae llawer o adegau tyngedfennol, y credaf ei bod hi'n bosib inni fod yn fwy ymwybodol ohonyn nhw, sy'n golygu y byddwn yn gallu mynd i'r afael â'r materion hynny'n well. Un o'r pethau yr ydym ni'n awyddus iawn i'w wneud yw ceisio cael gwared â'r stigma sy'n ymwneud ag unigrwydd ac ynysigrwydd, gan ei gwneud hi'n bosib i bobl allu dweud, 'rwy'n unig', heb iddo ymddangos fel rhywbeth y dylai fod yn gywilydd ei gyfaddef. Felly, rwy'n credu mai dyna un o'r pethau - cymaint ag y gallwn ni siarad am unigrwydd ac ynysigrwydd. Ac rydym ni'n defnyddio Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru, sy'n cael sgwrs am les, i weld beth y gallwn ni ganfod am yr hyn y mae'r cyhoedd yn ei feddwl ac yn ei ddweud am y pethau hyn er mwyn codi ymwybyddiaeth. Ac yna, wrth gwrs, rwyf wedi cyfarfod â'r rhan fwyaf o'm cyd-Weinidogion i drafod sut y gallwn fynd i'r afael â'r materion hyn. Oherwydd, unwaith eto, mae'n rhaid i mi ailadrodd bod hwn yn ddull trawslywodraethol, ac yn sicr nid yw'n rhywbeth y gall y Llywodraeth ei wneud ar ei phen ei hun - mae hwn yn fater ar gyfer y gymdeithas gyfan, felly yr hyn y gall y Llywodraeth ei wneud yw ceisio arwain y ffordd a chodi ymwybyddiaeth, ond ni allwn ni ei ddatrys. Felly, mae hynny'n bwysig iawn, rwy'n credu, i'w gofio. Mae'r mater ynghylch cau cyfleusterau lleol wedi codi'n gynharach yn y ddadl hon, ac mae'n amlwg ei fod yn golled enfawr i lawer o bobl y mae eu bywydau o bosib yn troi o amgylch canolfan gymunedol leol neu lyfrgell leol. Ond fel y dywedais, rydym ni yn helpu i ariannu'r broses o greu canolfannau, sydd yn sicr yn digwydd yng Nghaerdydd, lle mae llyfrgelloedd yn troi'n ganolfannau, a lle mae lleoedd i bobl ddod i gael gwybodaeth a chymysgu a chael dosbarthiadau garddio ac amrywiaeth eang o bethau. Rwy'n credu mai dyna'r math o beth y mae'n rhaid i ni ei ddatblygu mewn gwirionedd. O ran allgáu digidol, ydym, rydym yn gweithio i helpu pobl i gael eu cynnwys yn fwy digidol, ac un o'r prosiectau pontio'r cenedlaethau a gawsom ni, sydd mor bwysig, yw pryd y mae pobl ifanc yn mynd i helpu pobl hŷn i allu defnyddio dulliau digidol i gadw mewn cysylltiad â'u teuluoedd, ac i ddefnyddio Skype i siarad â'u teuluoedd a allai fod yn byw ym mhen draw'r byd. Rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig iawn ein bod ni'n gwneud hynny, ond gan gofio bob amser, fel y dywedodd, bod rhai pobl sydd ag angen dulliau eraill, mwy traddodiadol, o gael cyswllt. Mae'n sôn am bwysigrwydd y grwpiau gwirfoddol - siediau merched, siediau dynion, mae'r holl rai y gwyddom ni amdanyn nhw yn gwneud cymaint o waith er mwyn cadw cysylltiad rhwng pobl a chadw pobl ynghyd. Yn amlwg, maen nhw'n rhan allweddol o'n strategaeth wrth inni symud ymlaen, fel yn wir maen nhw'n rhan allweddol o strategaeth y Llywodraeth. Ac unwaith eto, mae'r seilwaith cymunedol a chysylltiadau trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus da yn un o'r materion hollol allweddol y byddwn yn mynd i'r afael â nhw.