English: I think there is a basic - [ Interruption.] There is a basic difficulty with prisoners on remand, but it's an interesting point that we need to look at. Now, if I can return to what I was saying, conversely, there are English prisoners in Welsh prisons who won't be allowed to vote in an Assembly election. So, in many prisons, you will get prisoners on the same wing, some of whom will get a vote and others of whom will not. What you won't get is equality of opportunity, and the inequality may conceivably lead to lower morale on the wing rather than higher morale, so I think we do need to tread carefully here. We did visit Parc prison, as John Griffiths mentioned. We did meet prisoners, we met prison officers and we met the prison director. Now, they do have a privileges system in that prison. I wondered would the privileges system be of any use in determining whether or not a prisoner might be allowed a vote - perhaps a naive idea. The prison director thought this was highly impractical and, on reflection, I think this would be unlikely given that you are then giving the prison director and the prison officers the right to say who can and who can't vote, which is probably itself fundamentally undemocratic. So, given all these difficulties, we are then led into the extremely murky waters of allowing all prisoners to vote. I really do think I agree with points that Mark Isherwood raised during the previous Chamber debate that the prospect of violent offenders like murderers and rapists getting the vote is not likely to win much support from the wider electorate. And he did quote again today the 9 per cent figure from a YouGov survey conducted in 2017. So, I think there will be very little public support for this. It wasn't in Labour or Plaid Cymru's manifestos; I think it's a bit rich trying to bring this in under the radar. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Welsh: Rwy'n meddwl bod anhawster sylfaenol - [ T orri ar draws.] Mae anhawster sylfaenol gyda charcharorion ar remánd, ond mae'n bwynt diddorol y mae angen inni edrych arno. Nawr, os caf ddychwelyd at yr hyn yr oeddwn yn ei ddweud, ar y llaw arall, ceir carcharorion o Loegr yng ngharchardai Cymru na fydd yn cael pleidleisio mewn etholiad Cynulliad. Felly, mewn llawer o garchardai, bydd gennych garcharorion yn yr un adain, a rhai ohonynt yn cael pleidleisio ac eraill na fyddent yn cael gwneud hynny. Yr hyn na fydd gennych fydd cyfle cyfartal, a gallai'r anghydraddoldeb arwain o bosibl at ostwng morâl yn yr adain yn hytrach na'i godi, felly rwy'n credu bod angen inni droedio'n ofalus yma. Ymwelsom â charchar y Parc, fel y soniodd John Griffiths. Cyfarfuom â charcharorion, cyfarfuom â swyddogion carchar a chyfarfuom â chyfarwyddwr y carchar. Nawr, mae ganddynt system freintiau yn y carchar hwnnw. Tybed a fyddai'r system freintiau o unrhyw ddefnydd i benderfynu a ellid caniatáu i garcharor bleidleisio ai peidio - efallai ei fod yn syniad naïf. Credai cyfarwyddwr y carchar fod hyn yn anymarferol iawn ac ar ôl ystyried, credaf y byddai'n annhebygol gan eich bod yn rhoi hawl i gyfarwyddwr y carchar a swyddogion y carchar i ddweud pwy sy'n cael a phwy nad yw'n cael pleidleisio, sy'n sylfaenol annemocrataidd mae'n debyg. Felly, o gofio'r holl anawsterau hyn, cawn ein harwain wedyn i mewn i ddyfroedd tywyll iawn caniatáu i bob carcharor bleidleisio. Credaf fy mod yn cytuno â'r pwyntiau a nododd Mark Isherwood yn ystod y ddadl flaenorol yn y Siambr nad yw'r posibilrwydd y caiff troseddwyr treisgar fel llofruddion a threiswyr rhywiol bleidlais yn debygol o ennill llawer o gefnogaeth o blith yr etholwyr yn ehangach. A dyfynnodd eto heddiw y ffigur o 9 y cant o arolwg YouGov a gynhaliwyd yn 2017. Felly, rwy'n credu mai ychydig iawn o gefnogaeth gyhoeddus sydd yna i hyn. Nid oedd ym maniffesto Llafur na Phlaid Cymru; credaf mai haerllugrwydd braidd yw ceisio cyflwyno hyn o dan y radar. Diolch yn fawr iawn.