English: Llywydd, I'm disappointed that the Member doesn't think that having a better understanding of poverty and how it impacts the lives of children in Wales today is something that is worth a Government pursuing. I remember sitting with him in discussions when Plaid Cymru were proposing an observatory in the child poverty field so that we would have just that better understanding available to us. I don't think that's an ambition that is not worth having, because if we have a better understanding, and particularly if we have a better understanding through the eyes of children themselves, then we will be able to do what is something that I know is shared between our parties. We want to make the greatest difference that we can in the lives of children in Wales, and we particularly want to make that difference in the lives of those children where money is the barrier to those children having the sorts of lives and experiences we want them to have. Now, I read the children's commissioner's report and met her to discuss it, because I thought it was an excellent report. I have had to say a few times on the floor of the Assembly - questioning those who advocate to me that what the Welsh Government needs is a new child poverty strategy, and saying that I prefer the advice of the children's commissioner, which is that what we need is a refreshed delivery plan, looking at the practical things that we can do. My colleague Rebecca Evans and other have met with the children's commissioner since to look at those practical actions. That's why we want a lead to be involved in all of this. Because in that way, we use the levers that we have in our hands to make the biggest difference.
Welsh: Llywydd, rwy'n siomedig nad yw'r Aelod yn credu bod cael gwell dealltwriaeth o dlodi a sut mae'n effeithio ar fywydau plant yng Nghymru heddiw yn rhywbeth y mae'n werth i Lywodraeth fynd ar ei drywydd. Rwy'n cofio eistedd gydag ef mewn trafodaethau pan roedd Plaid Cymru yn cynnig arsyllfa ym maes tlodi plant fel y byddai gennym ni'r union well dealltwriaeth honno ar gael i ni. Nid wyf i'n credu bod hwnnw'n uchelgais nad yw'n werth ei gael, oherwydd os oes gennym ni well dealltwriaeth, ac yn enwedig os oes gennym ni well dealltwriaeth drwy lygaid y plant eu hunain, yna byddwn yn gallu gwneud yr hyn sy'n rhywbeth y gwn ei fod yn cael ei rannu rhwng ein pleidiau. Rydym ni eisiau gwneud y gwahaniaeth mwyaf posibl ym mywydau plant yng Nghymru, ac yn enwedig rydym ni eisiau gwneud y gwahaniaeth hwnnw ym mywydau'r plant hynny lle mai arian yw'r rhwystr i'r plant hynny rhag cael y mathau o fywydau a phrofiadau yr ydym ni eisiau iddyn nhw eu cael. Nawr, darllenais adroddiad y comisiynydd plant a chefais gyfarfod â hi i'w drafod, gan fy mod i'n credu ei fod yn adroddiad rhagorol. Bu'n rhaid i mi ddweud sawl gwaith ar lawr y Cynulliad - gan holi'r rhai sy'n gwneud y ddadl i mi mai'r hyn y mae Llywodraeth Cymru ei angen yw strategaeth newydd ar dlodi plant, a dweud ei bod yn well gennyf i gyngor y comisiynydd plant, sef mai'r hyn sydd ei angen arnom ni yw cynllun cyflawni wedi ei ailwampio, sy'n ystyried y pethau ymarferol y gallwn ni eu gwneud. Mae fy nghyd-Aelod Rebecca Evans ac eraill wedi cyfarfod â'r Comisiynydd Plant ers hynny i ystyried y camau ymarferol hynny. Dyna pam yr ydym ni eisiau arweinydd i gymryd rhan yn hyn i gyd. Oherwydd yn y modd hwnnw, rydym ni'n defnyddio'r ysgogiadau sydd gennym ni yn ein dwylo i wneud y gwahaniaeth mwyaf.