English: I think we need to hear from the education Minister. I think it's very important that we have set what's called the level 2 plus benchmark - that we need all pupils to achieve five GCSEs where possible, including language and maths. I think that's absolutely right. You can see how, in previous years, when that wasn't the benchmark, there was less attention placed on the language and maths. I think it's absolutely right that we are now putting that emphasis. So, I think that that is one of the ways in which we ensure that young people, where possible, achieve what we think they need to make their way in the world. But I don't understand why the Conservative Party have pitched the motion in the way they have. I don't understand what is so important about 2007. For me, it has lots of importance for all sorts of reasons, but nothing to do with the exam results. What was it that was so significant about 2007? As Siân Gwenllian has already mentioned, things have changed hugely in that period, and we are in danger, as I say, of comparing apples and pears. So, I think that there's been some really significant achievements by Welsh pupils that we really do need to celebrate. The numbers achieving the five As to C, including language and maths, has gone up, and that's fantastic, and the A* and A pass rate has remained stable. As Suzy Davies has acknowledged, the performance in science continues to improve, and that's really, really important, because otherwise our understanding of the way the world works is going to be much more difficult. So, just looking at the A-level results, Wales is outperforming the rest of the UK, and this doesn't seem to get mentioned by the Conservatives. So, we are now the first for A* compared to the English regions and Northern Ireland, and that's really, really good. So, why are we not celebrating that? I think that one of the things that we need to consider is, if we're going to put more money into education, where is that money going to come from, given that we continue to have less money to spend than we did in 2010. So, is it going to come out of health? Are the opposition parties going to say, 'Yes, we need to take money out of health' - which is where we spend half the budget at the moment - 'and put it into education'? Let's have that debate. I'm very happy to have that debate. But, simply saying, 'We've got to spend more money on this', without identifying what we're going to take it from, given that we do not have a rising budget, is something that we need to have an adult discussion about.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu bod angen i ni glywed gan y Gweinidog Addysg. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig iawn ein bod wedi gosod yr hyn a elwir yn feincnod lefel 2 ac uwch - fod angen i bob disgybl gyflawni pum TGAU lle bo hynny'n bosibl, gan gynnwys iaith a mathemateg. Credaf fod hynny'n hollol iawn. Yn y blynyddoedd a fu, pan nad dyna oedd y meincnod hwnnw'n bodoli, gallwch weld sut y rhoddwyd llai o sylw ar iaith a mathemateg. Rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n hollol iawn ein bod ni bellach yn gosod y pwyslais hwnnw. Felly, credaf mai dyna un o'r ffyrdd y sicrhawn fod pobl ifanc, lle bo hynny'n bosibl, yn cyflawni'r hyn y credwn sydd ei angen arnynt i wneud eu ffordd yn y byd. Ond nid wyf yn deall pam y mae'r Blaid Geidwadol wedi cyflwyno'r cynnig yn y ffordd y gwnaethant. Nid wyf yn deall beth sydd mor bwysig am 2007. I mi, mae'n bwysig iawn am bob math o resymau, ond dim i'w wneud â chanlyniadau'r arholiadau. Beth oedd mor arwyddocaol am 2007? Fel y soniodd Siân Gwenllian eisoes, mae pethau wedi newid yn aruthrol yn y cyfnod hwnnw, ac rydym mewn perygl, fel rwy'n dweud, o gymharu afalau a gellyg. Felly, credaf ein bod wedi gweld cyflawniadau gwirioneddol sylweddol gan ddisgyblion Cymru ac mae gwir angen i ni eu dathlu. Mae'r niferoedd sy'n cyflawni'r pum gradd A i C, gan gynnwys iaith a mathemateg, wedi codi, ac mae hynny'n wych, ac mae'r gyfradd sy'n cael A* ac A wedi aros yn sefydlog. Fel y mae Suzy Davies wedi cydnabod, mae'r perfformiad mewn gwyddoniaeth yn parhau i wella, ac mae hynny'n wirioneddol bwysig, oherwydd fel arall bydd ein dealltwriaeth o'r ffordd y mae'r byd yn gweithio yn llawer anos. Felly, wrth edrych ar y canlyniadau safon uwch yn unig, mae Cymru'n perfformio'n well na gweddill y DU, ac mae'n ymddangos nad yw'r Ceidwadwyr yn crybwyll hyn. Felly, ni sydd ar y brig bellach ar gyfer A*, o gymharu â rhanbarthau Lloegr a Gogledd Iwerddon, ac mae hynny'n wirioneddol dda. Felly, pam nad ydym yn dathlu hynny? Credaf mai rhai o'r pethau y mae'n rhaid i ni eu hystyried os ydym am roi mwy o arian tuag at addysg, yw o ble y daw'r arian hwnnw, o gofio ein bod yn parhau i fod â llai o arian i'w wario nag a oedd gennym yn 2010. Felly, a yw'n mynd i ddod oddi wrth iechyd? A yw'r gwrthbleidiau'n mynd i ddweud, 'Oes, mae angen i ni fynd ag arian oddi wrth iechyd' - sef lle y gwerir hanner y gyllideb ar hyn o bryd - 'a'i roi i addysg'? Dewch inni gael y ddadl honno. Rwy'n hapus iawn i gael y ddadl honno. Ond mae dweud yn syml, 'Mae'n rhaid i ni wario mwy o arian ar hyn', heb nodi o lle byddwn yn ei gymryd, o gofio nad oes gennym gyllideb gynyddol, yn rhywbeth y mae angen i ni gael trafodaeth aeddfed yn ei gylch.