English: No, I'm just starting, Rhun, and I'm not going to get through it with all this nonsense. So, we shouldn't exaggerate difficulties for political effect, but we certainly shouldn't minimise them either. What we have to do is rationally consider all of the economic implications. In the case of the position of trade passing through Welsh ports, if there are any ways in which we can meaningfully move towards trying to resolve these issues, or at least meaningfully address them, then that is what we should be doing now, as far as we can, in the time remaining before we leave the EU. That is what the committee appeared to be doing with this report. So, I think this report may be helpful. The report is fairly clear in what it recommends, and to be fair, it hasn't shied away from criticism of the Welsh Government's actions to date, or the lack of them. I quote from the Chair's foreword: We were disappointed to hear that Welsh Government engagement with our friends and colleagues in Ireland has been so limited to date and urge the Cabinet Secretary to address this urgently.' The First Minister has spent a lot of time since the Brexit referendum talking about Brexit and all of the problems he thinks it is causing. One issue he tends to mention every single time, without fail, is the issue of the border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. So, it's rather odd to note that a foreword written by his own Labour colleague David Rees notes that he has done so little to address this issue himself. The First Minister seems to want to talk about his issue till the cows come home so that he can raise people's fears, but he doesn't seem to actually want to do anything about it. So, I'm hopeful that the economy Minister, who is here today, will tell us what actions he is proposing to take, and I hope for all our sakes that he is planning to be more proactive in this regard than the First Minister has been. A further point from the Chair's foreword, which summarises the report. Again, I quote: Furthermore, we are clear that the WelshGovernment will need to clarify the timescales for work on technological solutions to future customs arrangements with HM Revenue and Customs and the UK Government.' This is quite a specific request, so I think it could be responded to fairly specifically. We know that the economy Minister usually has a good grasp of his subject, he can give us detailed answers, as we found out yesterday and on many previous occasions, so perhaps he could enlighten us today in his response on this specific point, which the committee identified. After all, David Rees, in his contribution, which I thought was pretty good, pointed to the need to start doing things now. If we are going to do something, let's get the ball rolling now, and I agree with him. I will return to the foreword to draw out a final point from it: Above all, we want to see the Welsh Government work with the sector to prepare for the various Brexit scenarios and therefore call for detailed contingency plans to be drawn-up.' I realise that there are limits as to what the Welsh Government can do. [Interruption.] Of course I do. The complaint of the First Minister, which we had from him again yesterday, is that he can't do much as long as we are unclear what the UK Government wants to do. That is a reasonable point as far as it goes. However, in this area of the position of the Welsh ports, I think there are specific actions that the Welsh Government can take. These actions could be useful actions rather than merely pointless whingeing. We've heard from several people about the actual issue of the displacement of traffic through Northern Ireland, which would mean it would be bypassing the Welsh ports. There is this risk. I do acknowledge that the risk exists and we have to look at it, but I'm also grateful to Mark Isherwood, who's a member of this committee - of which I'm not a member - for clarifying several of the points relating to the evidence that they heard, because his outlook is far more optimistic. He realises that there is a challenge, there is a potential economic risk, but he also recognises that the technology is there that will help us to overcome this risk. He pointed also to the border between the USA and Canada, where there is a massive volume of traffic moving through, but due to the technology being in place, it passes through freely without much delay.
Welsh: Na, newydd ddechrau wyf fi, Rhun, ac nid wyf yn mynd i fynd drwyddo gyda'r holl nonsens hwn. Felly, ni ddylem orliwio anawsterau er mwyn creu effaith wleidyddol, ond yn sicr ni ddylem eu bychanu chwaith. Yr hyn sy'n rhaid inni ei wneud yw ystyried yn rhesymegol yr holl oblygiadau economaidd. O ran sefyllfa masnach sy'n pasio drwy borthladdoedd Cymru, os oes unrhyw ffyrdd y gallwn symud yn ystyrlon tuag at geisio datrys y materion hyn, neu o leiaf fynd i'r afael â hwy'n ystyrlon, dylem wneud hynny yn awr, cyn belled ag y gallwn, yn yr amser sydd ar ôl cyn i ni adael yr UE. Dyna oedd y pwyllgor i'w weld yn ei wneud gyda'r adroddiad hwn. Felly, rwy'n meddwl y gall yr adroddiad hwn fod yn ddefnyddiol. Mae'r adroddiad yn eithaf clir o ran yr hyn y mae'n ei argymell, ac i fod yn deg, nid yw wedi cilio rhag beirniadu gweithredoedd Llywodraeth Cymru hyd yn hyn, neu ei diffyg gweithredu. Dyfynnaf o ragair y Cadeirydd: 'Roeddem yn siomedig o glywed bod ymgysylltiad Llywodraeth Cymru â'n cyfeillion a'n cymheiriaid yn Iwerddon wedi bod mor brin hyd yma a phwyswn ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i fynd i'r afael â hyn ar fyrder.' Mae'r Prif Weinidog wedi treulio llawer o amser ers y refferendwm Brexit yn siarad am Brexit a'r holl broblemau y mae'n meddwl ei fod yn eu hachosi. Un mater y mae'n tueddu i sôn amdano bob un tro, yn ddi-ffael, yw mater y ffin rhwng Gweriniaeth Iwerddon a Gogledd Iwerddon. Felly, mae hi braidd yn rhyfedd nodi bod rhagair a ysgrifennwyd gan ei gyd-Aelod Llafur ei hun, David Rees, yn nodi ei fod wedi gwneud cyn lleied i fynd i'r afael â'r mater hwn ei hun. Mae'n ymddangos bod Prif Weinidog Cymru eisiau siarad am ei broblem tan ddydd y farn er mwyn iddo allu cynyddu ofnau pobl, ond nid yw'n ymddangos mewn gwirionedd ei fod yn awyddus i wneud unrhyw beth yn ei gylch. Felly, gobeithio y bydd Gweinidog yr economi, sydd yma heddiw, yn dweud wrthym pa gamau y mae'n bwriadu eu cymryd, ac rwy'n gobeithio er mwyn pawb ohonom ei fod yn bwriadu bod yn fwy rhagweithiol yn hyn o beth nag y mae'r Prif Weinidog wedi bod. Un pwynt pellach o ragair y Cadeirydd, sy'n crynhoi'r adroddiad. Unwaith eto, rwy'n dyfynnu: 'Yn ogystal, rydym yn bendant y bydd angen i Lywodraeth Cymru gadarnhau'r amserlen ar gyfer gwaith ar ddatrysiadau technolegol i drefniadau tollau ar gyfer y dyfodol gyda Chyllid a Thollau Ei Mawrhydi a Llywodraeth y DU.' Mae hwn yn gais eithaf penodol, felly rwy'n meddwl y gellid ymateb iddo'n eithaf penodol. Rydym yn gwybod bod gan Weinidog yr economi afael go dda ar ei bwnc fel arfer, gall roi atebion manwl inni, fel y gwelsom ddoe ac ar sawl achlysur blaenorol, felly efallai y gallai ein goleuo heddiw yn ei ymateb ar y pwynt penodol hwn a nododd y pwyllgor. Wedi'r cyfan, cyfeiriodd David Rees, yn ei gyfraniad, a oedd yn gyfraniad eithaf da yn fy marn i, at yr angen i ddechrau gwneud pethau yn awr. Os ydym yn mynd i wneud rhywbeth, gadewch i ni gael pethau i symud yn awr, ac rwy'n cytuno ag ef. Dychwelaf at y rhagair i dynnu un pwynt olaf ohono: 'Yn anad dim, rydym am weld Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio gyda'r sector i baratoi ar gyfer yr amrywiaeth o senarios sy'n gysylltiedig â gadael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd ac felly rydym yn galw arni i lunio trefniadau wrth gefn manwl.' Rwy'n sylweddoli bod cyfyngiadau o ran yr hyn y gall Llywodraeth Cymru ei wneud. [Torri ar draws.] Wrth gwrs fy mod. Cwyn y Prif Weinidog, a gawsom ganddo eto ddoe, yw na all wneud llawer cyhyd â'n bod yn ansicr beth y mae Llywodraeth y DU am ei wneud. Mae hwnnw'n bwynt rhesymol cyn belled ag y mae'n mynd. Fodd bynnag, o ran sefyllfa porthladdoedd Cymru, rwy'n credu bod camau penodol y gall Llywodraeth Cymru eu cymryd. Gallai'r camau gweithredu hyn fod yn gamau gweithredu defnyddiol yn hytrach na swnian dibwrpas yn unig. Rydym wedi clywed gan nifer o bobl am fater dadleoli traffig trwy Ogledd Iwerddon, a fyddai'n golygu y byddai'n osgoi porthladdoedd Cymru. Mae perygl o hynny. Rwy'n cydnabod bod y risg yn bodoli ac mae'n rhaid inni edrych arno, ond rwy'n ddiolchgar i Mark Isherwood hefyd, sy'n aelod o'r pwyllgor hwn - nad wyf fi'n aelod ohono - am egluro nifer o'r pwyntiau'n ymwneud â'r dystiolaeth a glywsant, oherwydd mae ei ragolwg yn llawer mwy optimistaidd. Mae'n sylweddoli bod yna her, fod yna berygl economaidd posibl, ond mae hefyd yn cydnabod bod y dechnoleg yno i'n helpu i oresgyn y risg. Tynnodd sylw hefyd at y ffin rhwng yr Unol Daleithiau a Chanada, lle y ceir traffig enfawr yn croesi, ond oherwydd bod y dechnoleg ar gael, mae'n croesi'n rhydd heb lawer o oedi.