English: I'd just like to record my support for these legislative proposals. The concept of a national citizens' service has long been Welsh Conservative policy, but, of course, it's one that transcends all party divides and there are, as David said, different models to consider here. But I particularly welcome this, as any contribution to ideas for a participatory democracy that offer an alternative to referenda are certainly something to be welcomed. I support this because, essentially, at the heart of this, we're talking about an acknowledgement and even a celebration of both the individual and the collective, and if I could speak to my socialist colleagues here, that sense of community, a call on untapped social capital to contribute to social cohesion, enhance public services in the way that David has mentioned, and absolutely to build that confident, proactive and politically engaged citizenry. I remember one of my early disappointments when I became an Assembly Member was in a question to the First Minister, when I put to him the question whether he'd be prepared to consider some sort of national citizen service at that point, and he said that Wales didn't need one, because it was already promoting volunteering to younger people. I think he was talking, at that time, about GwirVol, which no longer exists, unfortunately, and which did reach some young people, and was, I've no doubt, valuable in terms of them and their development as individuals, but it didn't really offer much at a strategic level with a clear, population-level societal purpose. With colleagues, I visited Israel a few months ago, and there, of course, military national service is compulsory for non-Arab citizens and some other exempt categories, lasting somewhere between two and three years. Clearly, I'm not advocating any kind of replication of that, but I was very struck by some of the lasting effects of that experience on virtually every Jewish Israeli person that we spoke to, regardless of how long ago they had had that experience. The first was the sense of unity and responsibility for each other, regardless of socioeconomic background. Of course, I will accept that the ever-present security threat there is bound to concentrate minds to a certain extent, but even so, it was clear that we were meeting people who had learnt to be confident about making decisions, acting upon those decisions, and trusting each other to do the same - and not just for themselves, but in a sense of common cause. Mistakes were considered inevitable, as was the dusting down and starting again when people did make mistakes. The second thing that struck me was how this translated into their attitude towards the economy and its growth: people of all ages and backgrounds being bold, very can-do, taking calculated risks, not always succeeding but being very comfortable in co-operating with each other, even in a competitive environment. And some told us that it was their experience of service alongside others that had given them this approach to progress - a progress that they saw as providing benefits extending beyond themselves. [ Interruption.] Oh, is it? It's only three minutes I've got, is it? Oh, I'm really sorry about that. Effectively, all I wanted to say is that if we're serious about co-production and, particularly, the imperative embodied in the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015, then we really have to do something now to encourage the population at large to be confident enough to be participants in that co-productive Wales.
Welsh: Hoffwn gofnodi fy nghefnogaeth i'r cynigion deddfwriaethol hyn. Mae'r cysyniad o wasanaeth dinasyddion cenedlaethol wedi bod yn bolisi gan y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig ers talwm, ond wrth gwrs, mae'n un sy'n codi uwchlaw rhaniadau rhwng pleidiau ac mae gwahanol fodelau i'w hystyried yma fel y dywedodd David. Ond rwy'n croesawu hyn yn arbennig, gan fod unrhyw gyfraniad tuag at syniadau ar gyfer democratiaeth gyfranogol sy'n cynnig dewis amgen yn lle refferenda yn sicr yn rhywbeth i'w groesawu. Rwy'n cefnogi hyn oherwydd, yn y bôn, wrth wraidd hyn, rydym yn sôn am gydnabyddiaeth a hyd yn oed dathliad o'r unigolyn a'r cyfunol, ac os caf siarad â fy nghyd-Aelodau sosialaidd yma, yr ymdeimlad o gymuned, galwad ar gyfalaf cymdeithasol heb ei gyffwrdd i gyfrannu at gydlyniad cymdeithasol, gwella gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yn y ffordd y mae David wedi crybwyll, ac yn bendant, adeiladu'r ddinasyddiaeth hyderus, ragweithiol a gwleidyddol honno. Cofiaf un o fy siomedigaethau cynnar pan ddeuthum yn Aelod Cynulliad mewn cwestiwn i'r Prif Weinidog, pan ofynnais iddo a fyddai'n barod i ystyried rhyw fath o wasanaeth dinasyddion cenedlaethol ar yr adeg honno, a dywedodd nad oedd Cymru angen gwasanaeth o'r fath gan ei bod eisoes yn hyrwyddo gwirfoddoli i bobl iau. Credaf ei fod yn siarad, ar y pryd, am GwirVol, nad yw bellach yn bodoli, yn anffodus, cynllun a gyrhaeddodd rai pobl ifanc, ac nid oes gennyf amheuaeth ei fod yn werthfawr o'u rhan hwy a'u datblygiad fel unigolion, ond nid oedd yn cynnig llawer ar lefel strategol gyda phwrpas cymdeithasol clir ar lefel y boblogaeth. Gyda chyd-Aelodau, ymwelais ag Israel ychydig fisoedd yn ôl, ac yno, wrth gwrs, mae gwasanaeth milwrol cenedlaethol yn orfodol i rai nad ydynt yn ddinasyddion Arabaidd a rhai categorïau eraill sydd wedi'u heithrio, ac mae'n para rhwng dwy a thair blynedd. Yn amlwg, nid wyf yn dadlau dros efelychu hwnnw, ond cefais fy nharo gan rai o'r effeithiau parhaol roedd y profiad hwnnw'n eu cael ar bron bob person Iddewig o Israel y siaradasom â hwy, ni waeth pa mor bell yn ôl y cawsant y profiad hwnnw. Y cyntaf oedd yr ymdeimlad o undod a chyfrifoldeb tuag at ei gilydd, ni waeth beth fo'u cefndir economaidd-gymdeithasol. Wrth gwrs, rwy'n derbyn bod y bygythiad i ddiogelwch sy'n bodoli yno drwy'r amser yn sicr o ganolbwyntio meddyliau i ryw raddau, ond er hynny, roedd yn glir ein bod yn cyfarfod â phobl a oedd wedi dysgu bod yn hyderus ynglŷn â gwneud penderfyniadau, gweithredu ar y penderfyniadau hynny, ac ymddiried yn ei gilydd i wneud yr un peth - ac nid er eu mwyn eu hunain yn unig, ond dros achos cyffredin. Ystyrid bod camgymeriadau'n anochel, fel roedd ymadfer a dechrau eto pan oedd pobl yn gwneud camgymeriadau. Yr ail beth a'm trawodd oedd sut roedd hyn i'w weld yn eu hagwedd tuag at yr economi a'i thwf: pobl o bob oed a chefndir yn bod yn eofn, yn gadarnhaol iawn, yn mentro'n ofalus, heb lwyddo bob amser ond yn gyfforddus iawn wrth gydweithredu â gilydd, hyd yn oed mewn amgylchedd cystadleuol. A dywedodd rhai wrthym mai eu profiad o wasanaeth ochr yn ochr ag eraill a oedd wedi rhoi'r ymagwedd hon tuag at gynnydd iddynt - cynnydd a welent fel rhywbeth a ddarparai fanteision a ymestynnai y tu hwnt iddynt hwy eu hunain. [ Torri ar draws. ] O, ie? Tair munud sydd gennyf, ie? O, mae'n wir ddrwg gennyf am hynny. I bob pwrpas, y cyfan roeddwn am ei ddweud yw os ydym o ddifrif ynghylch cydgynhyrchu ac yn arbennig, yr orfodaeth a ymgorfforir yn Neddf Llesiant Cenedlaethau'r Dyfodol (Cymru) 2015, yna mae gwir raid inni wneud rhywbeth yn awr i annog y boblogaeth yn gyffredinol i fod yn ddigon hyderus i fod yn gyfranogwyr yn y Gymru gydgynhyrchiol honno.