techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Of course, I understand why opposition Members are making this point - you may have a right to make it, and they certainly have every right to - . [ Interruption.] Sorry - wishful thinking. And certainly, Plaid have every right to make it. But, you know, Labour fought the 2010 manifesto on pretty much the same financial projections that are accepted by the Conservative Party. You did fight the 2015 election on a slightly different basis, but not radically different in terms of the amount that's spent. Now, in 2017, obviously, you did fight very differently. But, you know, we wouldn't be in a radically different position if there'd been a Labour UK Government re-elected in 2010, so this point is a little odd, in my view.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, rwy'n deall pam mae Aelodau'r gwrthbleidiau yn gwneud y pwynt hwn - efallai eich bod yn iawn i wneud hynny, ac yn sicr mae pob hawl ganddyn nhw i - . [ Torri ar draws.] Mae'n ddrwg gen i - breuddwyd gwrach. Ac yn sicr, mae gan Blaid Cymru bob hawl i'w wneud. Ond, wyddoch chi, ymladdodd Llafur dros faniffesto 2010 ar yr un rhagamcanion ariannol fwy neu lai â'r rhai a gaiff eu derbyn gan y Blaid Geidwadol. Fe wnaethoch chi ymladd etholiad 2015 ar sail ychydig yn wahanol, ond nid yn gwbl wahanol o ran y swm sydd wedi ei wario. Nawr, yn 2017, mae'n amlwg, eich bod wedi ymladd mewn dull gwahanol iawn. Ond, wyddoch chi, ni fyddem mewn sefyllfa wahanol iawn pe byddai Llywodraeth Lafur wedi cael ei hailethol yn y DU yn 2010. Felly, yn fy marn i, mae hwn yn bwynt rhyfedd braidd.
English: Llywydd, in the draft budget debate, I commended the Welsh Labour Government's support for social care over the past eight years of austerity and reducing budgets, and I'm glad to start by focusing on that priority again today. I think it's worth recording again today, and reminding Members, that health and social services spend in Wales is 8 per cent higher than in England. I think in the context of this final budget debate today, it has been useful to have the report and statement on the parliamentary review of health and social care, showing opportunities for transforming our health and social care provision in Wales. It was good to hear the positive comments from the review team. Wales has got good things happening: prudent healthcare and the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014 as examples. I have spoken of my support for the integrated care fund, which actually was crafted by parties across - certainly three parties across this Chamber. The ICF stands at £50 million. It's sustained in this budget with an increase in capital. This fund actually, I think, does help to provide the seamlessness that is needed at the point of using services, which, of course, the review is talking about. I just want to mention the involvement of the third sector in the delivery of the integrated care fund, clearly contributing to the preventative agenda, as shown in Glamorgan Voluntary Services.
Welsh: Llywydd, yn y ddadl ar y gyllideb ddrafft, cymeradwyais gymorth Llywodraeth Lafur Cymru ar gyfer gofal cymdeithasol dros yr wyth mlynedd diwethaf o gyni a lleihau cyllidebau, ac rwy'n falch o ddechrau drwy ganolbwyntio ar y flaenoriaeth honno eto heddiw. Credaf ei bod hi'n werth cofnodi eto heddiw, ac atgoffa'r Aelodau, fod gwariant iechyd a gwasanaethau cymdeithasol yng Nghymru 8 y cant yn uwch nag yn Lloegr. Credaf yng nghyd-destun y ddadl gyllideb derfynol hon heddiw, y bu hi'n ddefnyddiol cael yr adroddiad a'r datganiad ar yr arolwg seneddol o iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol, sy'n dangos cyfleoedd ar gyfer trawsnewid ein darpariaeth iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol yng Nghymru. Braf oedd clywed y sylwadau cadarnhaol gan y tîm adolygu. Mae pethau da yn digwydd yng Nghymru: er enghraifft, gofal iechyd darbodus a Deddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) 2014. Rwyf wedi siarad am fy nghefnogaeth i'r gronfa gofal integredig, a luniwyd mewn gwirionedd gan bleidiau o bob rhan - yn sicr tair plaid yn y Siambr hon. Mae £50 yn y Gronfa Gofal Integredig. Caiff ei chynnal yn y gyllideb hon gyda chynnydd mewn cyfalaf. Credaf, mewn gwirionedd, fod y gronfa hon yn helpu i gynnig y ddarpariaeth ddi-dor y mae ei hangen wrth ddefnyddio gwasanaethau, y mae'r adolygiad, wrth gwrs, yn sôn amdani. Rwyf eisiau sôn am ymrwymiad y trydydd sector wrth ddarparu'r gronfa gofal integredig, sy'n amlwg yn cyfrannu at yr agenda ataliol, fel y dangosir yng Ngwasanaethau Gwirfoddol Morgannwg.
English: Thanks, Jane, for giving way. I agree with what you say about the future generations legislation. I think, in principle, it's a great piece of legislation, but the Finance Committee did have major problems in proving how, actually, the budget was really being affected by the future generations legislation and vice versa. I know that, if Steffan Lewis was here, he'd probably be making that point, so I make it for him, but would you agree with me that that needs improvement?
Welsh: Diolch, Jane, am ildio. Cytunaf gyda'r hyn a ddywedwch chi am ddeddfwriaeth cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Credaf, mewn egwyddor, ei bod hi'n ddarn gwych o ddeddfwriaeth, ond cafodd y Pwyllgor Cyllid broblemau mawr yn profi sut, mewn gwirionedd, yr oedd y gyllideb mewn difrif yn cael ei heffeithio gan ddeddfwriaeth cenedlaethau'r dyfodol ac fel arall. Rwy'n gwybod, pe byddai Steffan Lewis yma, y byddai fwy na thebyg yn gwneud y pwynt hwnnw, felly fe wnaf i'r pwynt ar ei ran, ond a ydych chi'n cytuno â mi bod angen gwella hynny?
English: If the finance Secretary is giving way, that is a complete perversion of the argument that I made in my speech. It's not that any of those things are undesirable, it's just that we have to live within our means in the real world, and you can't forever and a day borrow to pay for things that you can't afford.
Welsh: Os yw'r Ysgrifennydd Cyllid yn ildio, mae hynny'n wyrdroad llwyr o'r ddadl a wneuthum yn fy araith. Nid nad oes angen unrhyw un o'r pethau hynny, mae'n golygu bod yn rhaid inni fyw o fewn ein modd yn y byd go iawn, ac na allwch chi fenthyca am byth i dalu am bethau na allwch chi eu fforddio.
English: But, Llywydd, everything that I have mentioned was created by borrowing. All of those things relied upon the willingness of previous generations to borrow to invest in the future that we enjoy today, and we have a similar obligation to do that for the people who will come after us. Now, I don't suppose that Nick Ramsay, for a minute, goes along with the arguments that Mr Hamilton put out, but he doesn't know how to respond to the investment that this Government makes in the health service. He can't make up his mind whether he wants to welcome it, or whether he wants to say that the money isn't being used wisely. He wants to complain about severe cuts to local government in Wales, when in fact budgets in local government are going up under the budget that's in front of this Assembly this afternoon. He asks us to celebrate the investments made by the Chancellor on 22 November, and, of course, we're determined to use every penny that we get from the Chancellor as wisely as we can. But the capital money that came to us on 22 November leaves us only 20 per cent lower than we were a decade ago, rather than the third lower than we were before he stood up.
Welsh: Ond, Llywydd, crëwyd popeth a grybwyllais drwy fenthyca. Roedd pob un o'r pethau hynny yn dibynnu ar barodrwydd cenedlaethau blaenorol i fenthyca er mwyn buddsoddi yn y dyfodol sydd gennym ni heddiw, ac mae gennym ni ymrwymiad tebyg i wneud hynny ar gyfer y bobl sy'n dod ar ein holau. Nawr, nid wyf yn credu fod Nick Ramsay, am funud, yn cytuno â'r dadleuon a gyflwynwyd gan Mr Hamilton, ond nid yw'n gwybod sut i ymateb i'r buddsoddiad mae'r Llywodraeth hon yn ei wneud yn y gwasanaeth iechyd. Ni all benderfynu a hoffai ei groesawu, neu a hoffai ddweud nad yw'r arian yn cael ei ddefnyddio'n ddoeth. Mae arno eisiau cwyno am y toriadau difrifol i lywodraeth leol yng Nghymru, pan fo cyllidebau mewn llywodraeth leol mewn gwirionedd yn cynyddu o dan y gyllideb sydd gerbron y Cynulliad hwn y prynhawn yma. Mae'n gofyn inni ddathlu'r buddsoddiadau a wnaed gan y Canghellor ar 22 Tachwedd, ac, wrth gwrs, rydym ni'n benderfynol o ddefnyddio pob ceiniog a gawn ni gan y Canghellor mor ddoeth ag y gallwn ni. Ond nid yw'r arian cyfalaf a gawsom ni ar 22 Tachwedd ond yn ein gadael 20 y cant yn is nag yr oeddem ni ddeng mlynedd yn ôl, yn hytrach na thraean yn is nag yr oeddem ni cyn iddo sefyll.
English: Thank you for giving way. I welcome the money that has come in to the Welsh Government from the UK Government, as you did yourself in your written statement. So, I was just pointing out that your speech was overtly negative. I'm all for a sense of balance, and I know you agree with that, Cabinet Secretary, but also I would appreciate that you recognise the difference between real-terms increases and cash-terms increases; they're quite different.
Welsh: Diolch i chi am ildio. Croesawaf yr arian sydd wedi dod i Lywodraeth Cymru gan Lywodraeth y DU, fel y gwnaethoch chi eich hun yn eich datganiad ysgrifenedig. Felly, dim ond nodi yr oeddwn i fod eich araith yn rhy negyddol. Rwyf yn hollol o blaid ymdeimlad o gydbwysedd, a gwn y byddwch yn cytuno â hynny, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, ond hefyd rwy'n gwerthfawrogi eich bod yn cydnabod y gwahaniaeth rhwng cynnydd mewn termau real a chynnydd mewn termau arian parod; maen nhw'n eithaf gwahanol.
English: Of course, Llywydd, I welcome the fact that we are only 20 per cent worse off rather than 30 per cent worse off, and that's why we're determined to make the best use we can of every penny that we have.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, Llywydd, rwy'n croesawu'r ffaith nad ydym ni ond 20 y cant yn waeth ein byd yn hytrach na 30 y cant yn waeth ein byd, a dyna pam ein bod ni'n benderfynol o wneud y defnydd gorau y gallwn ni o bob ceiniog sydd gennym.
English: On the other side of the Chamber, of course, I welcome the comments made by Adam Price. Of course, we are here to work together in a constructive manner when we want to make a difference for the people of Wales. That's the way that people with ideas for the future can come together and work on those areas where we can see the impact that they will have in the future. I look forward to having future discussions with Steffan Lewis on the details of the Brexit preparedness fund, and to working collaboratively to see how we can use that funding in a more effective manner.
Welsh: Ar ochr arall y Siambr, wrth gwrs, rydw i'n croesawu beth a ddywedodd Adam Price. Wrth gwrs rŷm ni yma i weithio gyda'n gilydd mewn ysbryd adeiladol pan rydym ni eisiau gwneud gwahaniaeth i bobl yma yng Nghymru. Dyna'r ffordd y mae pobl gyda syniadau am y dyfodol yn gallu dod at ei gilydd, pan rydym ni'n gallu gweithio ar bethau lle rydym ni'n gallu gweld yr effaith maen nhw'n mynd i gael yn y dyfodol. Rydw i'n edrych ymlaen at drafod, yn y dyfodol, gyda Steffan Lewis, y manylion am y gronfa i baratoi am Brexit, a gweithio gyda'n gilydd i weld sut rydym ni'n gallu defnyddio'r arian yna mewn ffordd fwy effeithiol.
English: Can I also welcome, of course, what Vikki Howells, Mike Hedges and Jane Hutt said, each one of them illustrating the fact that what this budget sets out to achieve makes a difference in the daily lives of people in all parts of Wales? It's a budget, as Jane Hutt said, for priorities and principles: the progressive principles of this Government, the priorities of the people here in Wales. It's a budget that I hope this Assembly will endorse this afternoon.
Welsh: A gaf i hefyd groesawu, wrth gwrs, yr hyn a ddywedodd Vikki Howells, Mike Hedges a Jane Hutt, pob un ohonyn nhw'n dangos y ffaith bod yr hyn y mae'r gyllideb hon yn ceisio ei chyflawni yn gwneud gwahaniaeth ym mywydau bob dydd pobl ym mhob rhan o Gymru? Mae'n gyllideb, fel y dywedodd Jane Hutt, ar gyfer blaenoriaethau ac egwyddorion: egwyddorion blaengar y Llywodraeth hon, blaenoriaethau pobl yma yng Nghymru. Mae'n gyllideb y gobeithiaf y bydd y Cynulliad hwn yn ei chymeradwyo'r prynhawn yma.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] I will defer voting under this item until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Felly gohiriaf y bleidlais ar yr eitem yma tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: The next item is the Non-Domestic Rating (Multiplier) (Wales) Order 2018, and I call on the Cabinet Secretary for Finance to move the motion - Mark Drakeford.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf yw'r Gorchymyn Ardrethu Annomestig (Lluosydd) (Cymru) 2018, ac rydw i'n galw ar yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet dros Gyllid i wneud y cynnig - Mark Drakeford.
English: Thank you very much. I move that we approve the Non-Domestic Rating (Multiplier) (Wales) Order 2018. The Order sets the non-domestic rating multiplier for the purposes of 2018-19. I recognise that there has been limited time for Members to consider the Order. This was necessary because of the timing of the announcement of the Chancellor in the autumn budget to proceed with processes to increase the multiplier in England using the CPI, the consumer price index, rather than the retail price index, the RPI.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd. Cynigiaf i gymeradwyo Gorchymyn Ardrethu Annomestig (Lluosydd) (Cymru) 2018. Mae'r Gorchymyn yn gosod y lluosydd ardrethu annomestig at ddibenion 2018-19. Rwyf yn cydnabod y bu amser cyfyngedig i Aelodau ystyried y Gorchymyn. Roedd hyn yn angenrheidiol oherwydd amseriad cyhoeddiad y Canghellor yng nghyllideb yr hydref i gyflymu ei gynlluniau i gynyddu'r lluosydd yn Lloegr gan ddefnyddio mynegai prisiau defnyddwyr, CPI, yn hytrach na mynegai prisiau manwerthu, RPI.
English: Presiding Officer, non-domestic rates have been devolved to a large extent. This brings responsibilities and opportunities. Otherwise, using the CPI rather than the RPI to calculate the multiplier would add to the bills that taxpayers would face. The change will give a boost to businesses and other taxpayers in Wales whilst maintaining a stable flow of tax revenue for local services. The change will be funded in full by the Welsh Government. There will be no impact on the funding available to local government as a result of the lower bills for non-domestic properties. So, I would ask Members, therefore, to approve this Order this afternoon.
Welsh: Llywydd, mae ardrethi annomestig wedi'u datganoli i raddau helaeth. Daw hyn â chyfleoedd a chyfrifoldebau. Fel arall, byddai defnyddio CPI yn hytrach nag RPI i gyfrifo'r lluosydd yn cyfyngu ar y cynnydd mewn biliau y byddai trethdalwyr yn eu hwynebu fel arall. Bydd y newid yn helpu busnesau a threthdalwyr eraill yng Nghymru tra'n cynnal llif sefydlog o refeniw treth ar gyfer gwasanaethau lleol. Caiff y newid ei ariannu'n llawn gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Ni fydd unrhyw effaith ar y cyllid sydd ar gael i lywodraeth leol o ganlyniad i'r biliau is ar gyfer eiddo annomestig. Rwyf felly'n gofyn i'r Aelodau gytuno i gymeradwyo'r Gorchymyn heddiw.
English: I wasn't going to speak in this debate, because, as the Cabinet Secretary knows, the Welsh Conservatives will be supporting this instrument. However, I've been inspired to do so by the comments made by Adam Price. Whilst I do have a measure of sympathy for the comments that you've just made, Adam, in terms of your long-standing commitment to change the whole business rates system in Wales and a desire to do something different here, I do feel that we are where we are in terms of the current system, and if, as I understand it correctly, we are talking about following the model across the border and moving from retail price index to CPI in the same way as is happening there, then I cannot see how - . If you avoid doing that, you're going to inevitably cause a disadvantage for businesses here. Just because you feel they may be at a disadvantage at the moment, Adam Price, it doesn't therefore mean that they wouldn't be at a greater disadvantage until the system was changed. So, on that basis, Cabinet Secretary, you have the support of the Welsh Conservatives in this. But I would at the same time urge you to look further at greater measures -
Welsh: Doeddwn i ddim yn mynd i siarad yn y ddadl hon, oherwydd, fel y gŵyr Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, bydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn cefnogi'r offeryn hwn. Fodd bynnag, rwyf wedi cael fy ysbrydoli i wneud hynny gan y sylwadau a wnaed gan Adam Price. Er bod gennyf beth cydymdeimlad â'r sylwadau yr ydych chi newydd eu gwneud, Adam, o ran eich ymrwymiad hirhoedlog i newid y system ardrethi busnes yng Nghymru a'r awydd i wneud rhywbeth gwahanol yma, rwyf yn teimlo ein bod ni lle'r ydym ni o ran y system gyfredol, ac os, fel y deallaf yn iawn, ein bod yn sôn am ddilyn y model ar draws y ffin a symud o'r mynegai prisiau manwerthu i'r CPI yn yr un modd ag sy'n digwydd yno, ni allaf weld sut - . Os ydych chi'n osgoi gwneud hynny, rydych chi'n anochel yn mynd i achosi anfantais i fusnesau yma. Dim ond oherwydd y teimlwch chi y gallan nhw fod o dan anfantais ar hyn o bryd, Adam Price, nid yw hynny felly'n golygu na fyddent yn wynebu mwy o anfantais tan fyddai'r system yn cael ei newid. Felly, ar y sail honno, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, mae gennych chi gefnogaeth y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn hyn o beth. Ond rwyf ar yr un pryd yn eich annog chi i edrych ymhellach ar fesurau mwy -
English: Would the Member give away?
Welsh: A wnaiff yr Aelod ildio?
English: I have two more words to say, but go for it.
Welsh: Mae gennyf ddau air yn fwy i'w dweud, ond ewch amdani.
English: This is a strange case of role reversal, given the positions in the earlier debate. But, surely, what would happen, if the Government were to lose this vote, is that they would have to take it away, listen to the comments that were made and bring it back, and address the particular issue of the split multiplier that I referred to.
Welsh: Mae hwn yn achos rhyfedd o wrthdroi swyddogaethau, o ystyried y safbwyntiau yn y ddadl gynharach. Ond, siawns, beth fyddai'n digwydd, pe bai'r Llywodraeth yn colli'r bleidlais hon, yw y byddai'n rhaid iddynt fynd â hi i ffwrdd, gwrando ar y sylwadau a dod â hi yn ôl, a mynd i'r afael â mater penodol y lluosydd hollt y cyfeiriais ato.
English: No, I think that we're talking at cross purposes here. I think that in terms of the wider issue of business rates and an unfairness that currently exists in Wales, I agree with that. However, we do have the situation of a change across the border. There is, I believe, a Barnett consequential that is going to come here - well, perhaps the Cabinet Secretary can say what that consequential will be that will come here - which is then going to be used in Wales to support businesses. I think that's the situation, and that is certainly one that the Welsh Conservatives will support. However, I was going to finish, before your intervention, Adam, by saying that I do hope this doesn't stop you looking at the broader issue of business rates and greater ways you can support businesses in Wales, and also taking into account the views of Plaid Cymru that perhaps, over the next few years, you could look at coming up with a radically different system. But, in the interim, I want to see that financial support through a Barnett consequential coming to support Welsh businesses in Wales, and I think that businesses would want that as well.
Welsh: Na, credaf ein bod ni'n camddeall ein gilydd yma. Credaf o ran y mater ehangach o ardrethi busnes a'r annhegwch sy'n bodoli ar hyn o bryd yng Nghymru, rwy'n cytuno â hynny. Fodd bynnag, mae gennym ni sefyllfa o newid ar draws y ffin. Bydd, rwy'n credu, swm canlyniadol Barnett sy'n mynd i ddod yma - Wel, efallai y gall Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet ddweud beth fydd y swm canlyniadol hwnnw a fydd yn dod yma - a fydd wedyn yn cael ei ddefnyddio yng Nghymru i gefnogi busnesau. Rwy'n meddwl mai dyna'r sefyllfa, ac mae hynny'n sicr yn un y bydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn ei chefnogi. Fodd bynnag, roeddwn i'n mynd i orffen, cyn eich ymyriad, Adam, drwy ddweud fy mod i'n gobeithio nad yw hyn yn eich atal rhag edrych ar y mater ehangach o ardrethi busnes a mwy o ffyrdd y gallwch chi gefnogi busnesau yng Nghymru, a hefyd, wrth ystyried safbwyntiau Plaid Cymru y gallwch chi efallai, dros yr ychydig flynyddoedd nesaf, ystyried meddwl am system wahanol iawn. Ond, yn y cyfamser, rwyf eisiau gweld y cymorth ariannol hwnnw drwy swm canlyniadol Barnett yn dod i gefnogi busnesau Cymru yng Nghymru, ac rwy'n credu y byddai busnesau yn dymuno hynny hefyd.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] I will defer voting under this item until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Gohiriaf y bleidlais ar yr eitem yma, felly, tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: Which brings us to item 6, the debate on the local government settlement for 2018-19, and I call on the Cabinet Secretary for local government to move the motion - Alun Davies.
Welsh: Sy'n dod â ni at eitem 6, sef y ddadl ar setliad llywodraeth leol 2018-19, ac rydw i'n galw ar yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet dros lywodraeth leol i wneud y cynnig - Alun Davies.
English: I'm grateful. You mentioned the waste transfer grant. Of course, that was taken from the portfolio of his fellow Cabinet Secretary and given directly to local authorities. It could be said that that's been one of the most successful direct grants of Welsh Government in driving very high recycling targets and has been quite rightly praised by the Government itself as being one of the great successes in this field. What is he going to do to ensure that, although the principle of hypothecation is going, these successes continue? Because there does seem to be some work to be done with some councils.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar. Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am y grant trosglwyddo gwastraff. Wrth gwrs, fe'i tynnwyd o bortffolio ei gyd-Ysgrifennydd Cabinet a'i roi yn uniongyrchol i awdurdodau lleol. Gellid dweud y bu hynny yn un o grantiau uniongyrchol mwyaf llwyddiannus Llywodraeth Cymru o ran gosod targedau ailgylchu uchel iawn, ac fe'i canmolwyd yn gwbl briodol gan y Llywodraeth ei hun fel un o'r llwyddiannau mawr yn y maes hwn. Beth y mae'n bwriadu ei wneud i sicrhau, er y cefnir ar yr egwyddor o glustnodi cyllid, bod y llwyddiannau hyn yn parhau? Oherwydd ymddengys fod rhywfaint o waith i'w wneud gyda rhai cynghorau.
English: How can you justify a situation where, for example, Flintshire in nineteenth position gets £368 less per head in revenue for local government than the best funded authority? Wrexham is eighteenth. Conwy is fifteenth, despite it having the largest oldest people population in Wales. Even Anglesey, the poorest or least populous part of Wales, is the eleventh lowest funded. That is an unsustainable formula, surely.
Welsh: Sut allwch chi gyfiawnhau sefyllfa, er enghraifft, lle mae Sir y Fflint, yn y bedwaredd safle ar bymtheg, yn cael £368 yn llai y pen mewn refeniw llywodraeth leol na'r awdurdod sy'n cael ei gyllido orau? Mae Wrecsam yn y ddeunawfed safle. Mae Conwy yn bymthegfed, er mai ganddi hi y mae'r boblogaeth fwyaf o bobl hŷn yng Nghymru. Mae hyd yn oed Ynys Môn, y rhan dlotaf neu leiaf poblog o Gymru, yn unfed ar ddeg ar y rhestr. Mae hynny'n fformiwla anghynaladwy, onid yw?
English: Do you stand there and feel ashamed of the record increases in the council tax that have happened since the start of devolution here in Wales, and the little respite you've given, in particular, to rural authorities to meet the demands of extra services you've placed on them?
Welsh: A ydych chi'n sefyll yn y fan yna ac yn teimlo cywilydd am y cynnydd mwyaf erioed yn y dreth gyngor a fu ers dechrau datganoli yma yng Nghymru, a'r cymorth pitw yr ydych chi wedi ei roi, i awdurdodau gwledig yn enwedig, i fodloni'r gofynion yr ydych chi wedi eu rhoi arnyn nhw o ran gwasanaethau ychwanegol?
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] I will defer voting on this item until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Gohiriaf y bleidlais, felly, ar yr eitem tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.