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English: I don't think that legislation is a panacea. When you talk of language planning, then legislation is part of the solution, but what you require along with legislation - and we have the legislation in place - is education policies that create confident Welsh speakers who use the language. I think that is in the Government's hands - it is down to legislation related to education and policy related to education. I do think that this legislation creates the opportunities to use the language, but it's not legislation that creates the language user - there are so many other things that need other interventions that we need to look at, encouragement - we need to ensure that the services, where they exist, are easily accessible, that there is an active offer, that people are encouraged to use those services. Therefore, I don't think that it's problems with this legislation that we're facing here; it's the need to do all sorts of other things in addition to the legislation.
Welsh: Rydw i'n credu nad yw deddfwriaeth yn ateb yn ei gyfanrwydd. Mae deddfwriaeth, pan fyddech chi'n sôn am gynllunio ieithyddol, yn rhan o'r ateb. Beth sydd ei angen ochr yn ochr â deddfwriaeth - ac mae gyda ni ddeddfwriaeth - yw polisïau addysg sydd yn creu defnyddwyr hyderus sydd yn defnyddio'r iaith. Rydw i'n credu bod hynny yn nwylo'r Llywodraeth - mae o fewn dwylo deddfwriaeth yn ymwneud ag addysg a chynllunio addysg a chynllunio polisi addysg. Rydw i yn credu bod y ddeddfwriaeth yma yn creu'r cyfleoedd i ddefnyddio, ond nid deddfwriaeth sy'n creu'r defnyddiwr - mae gymaint o bethau eraill sydd angen ymyriadau eraill y mae angen inni edrych arnyn nhw, sef anogaeth - mae'n rhaid inni sicrhau bod y gwasanaethau, lle maen nhw yn bodoli, yn rhwydd mynd atyn nhw, bod yna gynnig rhagweithiol, bod pobl yn cael eu hannog i ddefnyddio'r gwasanaethau. Felly, nid ydw i'n credu mai diffyg yn y ddeddfwriaeth yma sydd gyda ni fan hyn, ond yr angen i wneud cant a mil o bethau eraill yn ychwanegol i'r ddeddfwriaeth.
English: David, before you come back in - .
Welsh: David, cyn i ti ddod yn ôl i mewn - .
English: Just for the sake of clarity, can you explain the process? What exactly happens? Once you have started your initial piece of work, it goes to Government, and, as I understand it, a lot of work has been done that still hasn't been turned into standards. It's still with the Government. Can you explain and tell us what work is still in the pipeline? Because, if there is bureaucracy there, it's important that we understand that there is bureaucracy within your office, but there is also great delay that could happen within Government too. I don't know if that's factually correct.
Welsh: Jest er mwyn eglurder, felly, a fedrwch chi egluro'r broses? Hynny yw, beth sy'n digwydd? Ar ôl i chi gyflwyno'ch rhan gychwynnol chi o'r gwaith, mae o'n mynd i'r Llywodraeth ac, yn ôl yr hyn rydw i'n ei ddeall, mae yna lot o waith wedi cael ei wneud sydd yn dal, mewn ffordd, heb gael ei drosglwyddo i mewn i safonau - mae o'n dal efo'r Llywodraeth. A fedrwch chi egluro ac enwi'r gwaith yna sydd yn dal - ? Achos os oes yna fiwrocratiaeth yno, mae'n bwysig deall bod yna fiwrocratiaeth. Ie, efallai bod yna fiwrocratiaeth o fewn eich swyddfa chi, ond mae yna oedi mawr yn gallu digwydd o fewn Llywodraeth, os ydy hynny'n ffeithiol gywir.
English: Very simply, the Measure gives us three steps in the process. The first step is the initial consultation with a sector, and it's our responsibility as the commissioner's office to do that. Once that has happened, we then submit a report to the Government, and then they work out the standards regulations, which is what you see and pass in the Assembly. Following that, it's transferred back to us where we then work with individual organisations. So, that's the process put simply. From the point of view of that first step, the initial consultation, we have completed that process with the vast majority of the sectors that are named in the Measure, so, the bodies that are actually implementing the standards at present, but, in addition to that, the utilities that you were discussing earlier - the water, gas and electricity companies - companies in the transport sector, and also the housing associations. So, they are all bodies and sectors that we've completed that initial step with.
Welsh: Yn syml iawn, mae'r Mesur yn gosod tri cham i'r broses. Y cam cyntaf ydy'r ymgynghori cychwynnol, os liciwch chi, â sector, a'n cyfrifoldeb ni fel comisiynydd ydy hynny. Unwaith mae hynny'n digwydd, wedyn rydym ni'n trosglwyddo adroddiad i'r Llywodraeth. Mae'r Llywodraeth wedyn yn gweithio ar y rheoliadau safonau, sef beth rydych chi'n ei weld ac yn ei basio yn y Cynulliad. Ac ar ôl i hynny ddigwydd, mae'n trosglwyddo'n ôl i ni lle rydym ni'n gweithio efo'r cyrff yn unigol. Felly, dyna'r broses yn syml. O ran y cam cyntaf yna, yr ymgynghoriad cychwynnol, rydym ni wedi cwblhau'r broses yna efo'r mwyafrif helaeth o'r sectorau sy'n cael eu henwi yn y Mesur, felly'r cyrff sydd yn gweithredu safonau erbyn hyn, ond hefyd yn ychwanegol at hynny, y cyfleustodau roeddech chi'n eu trafod yn gynharach - felly cwmnïau dŵr, nwy a thrydan - cwmnïau teithio hefyd, a hefyd sectorau eraill, fel cymdeithasau tai. Felly, mae'r rheini i gyd yn gyrff ac yn sectorau rydym ni wedi cwblhau'r cam cyntaf yna efo nhw. Wedyn -
English: How long has it been since you transferred the housing association work to the Government?
Welsh: Ers faint? Er enghraifft, gyda'r cymdeithasau tai, ers faint mae'r gwaith yna wedi'i drosglwyddo i'r Llywodraeth?
English: About two years, I think.
Welsh: Tua dwy flynedd, rydw i'n meddwl.
English: So, there hasn't been any progress made over the past two years from the point of view of housing associations.
Welsh: Felly, nid oes cynnydd wedi bod yn y ddwy flynedd yna o safbwynt cymdeithasau tai.
English: I'm not sure whether that's fair. Work has been going on in the Government following that. But, also, if I can take the water companies as an example, there are draft standards regulations that have already been consulted upon with the water companies. That's on stop at the moment because of the reasons that you were discussing earlier regarding the Bill. So, further work has taken place, but it hasn't yet seen the light of day.
Welsh: Nid wyf i'n siŵr bod hynny'n deg. Rydw i'n gwybod bod yna waith wedi digwydd yn y Llywodraeth yn dilyn hynny. Hefyd, os cymerwn ni gwmnïau dŵr fel enghraifft, mae yna reoliadau a safonau drafft wedi cael eu hymgynghori arnyn nhw ar gyfer cwmnïau dŵr. Mae hynny ar stop ar hyn o bryd oherwydd y rhesymau roeddech chi'n eu trafod yn gynharach ynglŷn â'r Bil ac ati. Felly, mae yna waith pellach wedi digwydd, ond yn amlwg nid ydy hynny wedi gweld golau dydd eto o ran rheoliadau safonau.
English: I think that's correct. Just one minor thing I'd add to that is that we do deal with large and complex public services, so, inevitably, there is an element of complexity in standards that reflects those services themselves. I think once we've had the opportunity to discuss with bodies, and to hold briefing sessions and meetings, then, certainly, that has helped, in terms of those organisations' understanding. Also, once they have invested in standards, as very many of the organisations that deliver those standards have done, then we do see that the mindset changes. I mentioned earlier a good practice conference. It's important to note, too, that there are a number of organisations that approach the standards in a constructive and positive way, and we are seeing a difference being made and good practice being developed. We had an opportunity to discuss that, too, at the National Eisteddfod in Cardiff, so, as the process matures, I do think that we are seeing more and more of that.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl bod hynny'n gywir. Jest un peth bychan y buaswn i'n ychwanegu at hynny: rydym ni yn delio â gwasanaethau cyhoeddus mawr a chymhleth, felly yn anorfod mae yna elfen o gymhlethdod, wedyn, mewn safonau sydd yn adlewyrchu'r gwasanaethau hynny. Rydw i'n meddwl unwaith mae'r cyfle wedi bod gennym ni i fod yn trafod efo cyrff - cynnal cyfarfodydd a sesiynau briffio - yn sicr mae hynny yn helpu o ran dealltwriaeth y cyrff. Hefyd, rydw i'n meddwl unwaith maen nhw wedi buddsoddi yn y safonau, fel mae nifer helaeth o'r cyrff sy'n gweithredu safonau wedi gwneud hyd yma, rydym ni'n gweld wedyn fod y meddylfryd yn newid. Roeddwn i'n cyfeirio'n gynharach at gynhadledd arferion llwyddiannus, ac mae'n bwysig inni nodi hynny - bod yna nifer o gyrff wedi mynd at y safonau o safbwynt adeiladol a phositif, ac rydym ni'n gweld gwahaniaethau rŵan ac arferion da. Cawsom ni gyfle i drafod hynny, hefyd, yn yr Eisteddfod yng Nghaerdydd, felly, fel mae'r broses yn aeddfedu, rydw i'n meddwl ein bod ni'n gweld mwy o hynny hefyd.
English: I would just like to refer, very briefly, to the session we held at the Eisteddfod with the leader of Cardiff council and the deputy chief constable of South Wales Police, who were there ready to give evidence publicly as part of the publication of the assurance report. They said they could see the benefit of the standards. The local authorities - the council - had gone through quite a painful initial round of introducing the standards, but they now see a benefit in doing so. We have learnt a great deal in this process, as regards what information the organisations require. From what I see with the introduction of standards in the health sector, it's much less painful than the first round was, and that is in a sector that does encounter massive challenges generally.
Welsh: Liciwn i jest gyfeirio'n fyr iawn, iawn at y sesiwn yn yr Eisteddfod, lle cawsom ni arweinydd cyngor Caerdydd a dirprwy gwnstabl Heddlu De Cymru yna yn barod i roi tystiolaeth yn gyhoeddus, fel rhan o gyhoeddi'r adroddiad sicrwydd, eu bod nhw'n gweld budd safonau, a'u bod nhw wedi derbyn - . Mi oedd yr awdurdodau lleol - y cyngor - wedi mynd drwy'r rownd gyntaf, eithaf poenus, yna o gyflwyno'r safonau, ond eu bod nhw nawr yn gweld budd o hynny. Yn sicr, mae'r broses - rŷm ni wedi dysgu lot fawr yn y broses hefyd, ynglŷn â pha wybodaeth sydd ei heisiau ar gyrff. O beth rydw i'n ei weld gyda chyflwyno safonau i'r sector iechyd, mae hi lot yn llai poenus nag oedd y rownd gyntaf, ac mae hynny gyda sector sydd yn gweld heriau anferth.
English: Just on the health sector, could you just tell us how long it took from those initial discussions - how long did that middle part of the work, which happened within Government, take? Then, how long -
Welsh: Jest o ran y sector iechyd, a wnewch chi ddweud wrthym ni faint o amser wnaeth o gymryd o'r trafodaethau cychwynnol yna - faint wnaeth y darn canol, pan oedd y gwaith efo'r Llywodraeth, gymryd, inni gael syniad? Wedyn, erbyn hyn -
English: Perhaps you could write to us with that detail, because time is relatively short. Perhaps you could write to us, if you can give us some sort of explanation of the timeline.
Welsh: Efallai y gallwch chi ysgrifennu atom ni, oherwydd rwy'n cydnabod bod amser yn weddol fyr. Gallwch chi ysgrifennu atom ni, os ydych chi'n gallu, gyda rhyw fath o esboniad o'r amserlen.
English: I think that would be fairer, because then we could give you the specific dates of when the standards were introduced, et cetera. We'll do that immediately.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu y byddai hynny'n decach i wneud, achos mi allwn ni roi dyddiadau i chi wedyn - pryd cyflwynwyd yr ymchwiliad safonau, ac yn y blaen. Mi wnawn ni hynny'n syth.
English: There was a great deal of discussion when the Bill was being considered. We all had different views as to whether the standards were complex, too complex and so on and so forth. I think the evidence, because of the complex nature of the services and the organisations that we're talking about - I think the fact that they are quite prescriptive and quite specific is something that is to be welcomed. I think high-level standards, where there was a great deal of interpretation required, would be more problematic for the organisation. But I think it's also important that we bear in mind the purpose of standards, and that is to provide assurances to service users, and that's what these standards do. They don't place a responsibility on Welsh speakers to try and interpret what they should expect - it's clearly set out.
Welsh: Mi oedd yna lot fawr o drafodaeth yn y cyfnod pan oedd y Bil yn cael ei ystyried. Yn amlwg, mi oeddem ni gyd â gwahanol farn ynglŷn â safonau cymhleth, rhy gymhleth ac yn y blaen. Rydw i'n credu bod y dystiolaeth, erbyn hyn, oherwydd natur cymhleth y gwasanaethau a'r sefydliadau rŷm ni'n sôn amdanyn nhw - bod y ffaith eu bod nhw'n eithaf prescriptive ac yn eithaf penodol i'w groesawu. Rwy'n credu y byddai safonau lefel uchel, lle'r oedd yna lot fawr o ddehongli, yn creu mwy o broblemau i'r sefydliad. Ond, hefyd, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig bod yn rhaid inni gofio beth yw pwrpas safonau - rhoi sicrwydd i ddefnyddwyr, a dyna mae'r safonau yma yn ei wneud. Nid ydyn nhw yn rhoi cyfrifoldeb ar siaradwyr y Gymraeg a defnyddwyr y Gymraeg i drio dehongli beth allan nhw ei ddisgwyl - maen nhw'n eithaf clir.
English: There will be codes of practice. One is to be introduced soon. I'll just ask Dyfan just to explain the thinking behind that.
Welsh: Mae yna godau ymarfer yn mynd i fod. Mae yna un yn cael ei gyflwyno ymhen hir. Ond a gaf i ofyn i Dyfan jest i egluro'r meddylfryd dros y ffordd rydym ni wedi gweithredu?
English: Thank you. We are aware that some organisations would have liked to have seen a code of practice earlier. We understand that. But, until recently, our priority has been imposing standards and having discussions with organisations on interpreting those standards. So, the code of practice is one static way of providing guidance to organisations on the standards, and we do intend to publish codes, but in the meantime what we have been doing in working on the standards with them is having face-to-face discussions and taking their questions, questions on, 'What does this mean? Can you interpret this for us?' So, we have been providing that guidance to them on a face-to-face basis in briefing sessions and meetings, but we will now be formalising that in codes of practice. I think one further point that I would make is that the benefit of holding these codes of practice back is that it's enabled us to include some case studies based on our experience too - some very specific examples that we, perhaps, couldn't have included had we published them immediately. So, I do think that there are benefits to that. But, as the work develops, as Meri said, we do intend to publish the first code of practice soon and others will follow.
Welsh: Diolch. Rydym ni'n ymwybodol bod rhai sefydliadau a fyddai wedi dymuno gweld cod ymarfer ynghynt. Rydym ni'n deall hynny. Ond, hyd yn ddiweddar, mae'n blaenoriaeth ni wedi bod ynghylch gosod y safonau a chael trafodaethau efo'r cyrff ynglŷn â dehongli'r safonau wedyn. Felly, mae'r cod ymarfer yn un ffordd eithaf statig, mewn gwirionedd, o roi arweiniad i gyrff ynglŷn â'r safonau, ac rydym ni yn bwriadu cyhoeddi codau, ond yn y cyfamser beth rydym ni wedi bod yn ei wneud wrth osod y safonau efo nhw ydy trafod efo nhw wyneb yn wyneb a derbyn cwestiynau ynglŷn â, 'Beth mae hyn yn feddwl? A allwch chi ddehongli hwn?' Felly, rydym ni wedi bod yn rhoi'r arweiniad yna iddyn nhw wyneb yn wyneb mewn cyfarfodydd a sesiynau briffio, ond mi fyddwn ni rŵan yn ffurfioli hynny mewn codau ymarfer. Rydw i'n meddwl un pwynt arall y buaswn i'n ei wneud hefyd: mantais, mewn ffordd, o oedi efo'r codau ymarfer ydy ei fod o wedi ein galluogi ni i gynnwys rhai enghreifftiau achos ar sail profiad hefyd - enghreifftiau penodol o weithredu efallai na fyddem ni wedi gallu eu cynnwys pe baem ni wedi eu cyhoeddi nhw'n syth. Felly, rydw i'n meddwl bod yna fanteision i hynny. Ond fel mae'r gwaith yn datblygu, fel dywedodd Meri, rydym ni'n bwriadu cyhoeddi'r cod ymarfer cyntaf yn fuan. Mi fydd eraill yn dilyn wedyn.
English: And also, in addition to good practices, we have been able to include a couple of tribunal decisions or determinations that are important from the point of view of analysing the various standards, so I think there will be experience contained within the code of practice.
Welsh: A hefyd, yn ogystal ag arferion da, rydym ni wedi gallu cynnwys ambell i benderfyniad gan y tribiwnlys sydd yn bwysig o ran dadansoddi gwahanol safonau, so rydw i'n credu bod yna brofiad yn mynd mewn i'r cod ymarfer.
English: Okay. As we have discussed, I believe that changing any system is going to create a reaction, and with a change to the system as we have had with the standards, or when introducing a new system, you need to have time for the system to settle for us to get the evidence of the impact of the regime or system change. I still believe it's too early for us to take decisions on changing something. I'm in a position, and our office is in a position, through our monitoring work, through dealing with complaints, through our regulatory work and through the daily contact that we have with organisations, both the heads of those organisations and the officials, to see the change. Change is happening. We published our fourth assurance report, which we will be discussing with you in a fortnight's time. We published that at the Eisteddfod. The title of the report is 'A Measure of Success' and we did not call it a measure of success lightly because we are seeing shoots of success coming through. There is still room for improvement, naturally, but I do believe that it's much too early to decide that the legislation needs to be amended wholesale. The evidence just isn't there.
Welsh: Ocê. Fel rydym ni wedi trafod, rydw i'n credu bod newid unrhyw gyfundrefn yn mynd i greu ymateb ac mae angen i newid cyfundrefn, fel rydym ni wedi'i gael gyda'r safonau, neu gyflwyno cyfundrefn newydd, mae angen amser i'r gyfundrefn setlo i ni gael tystiolaeth o effaith newid cyfundrefn. Rydw i'n dal i gredu ei bod hi'n gynnar i fod yn gwneud penderfyniadau ynglŷn â newid rhywbeth. Rydw i mewn sefyllfa, ac mae'n swyddfa ni mewn sefyllfa, drwy ein gwaith monitro ni, drwy ddelio â chwynion, drwy'n gwaith rheoleiddio ni a thrwy'r cyswllt dyddiol yna rydym ni'n ei gael gyda chyrff, yn benaethiaid ac yn swyddogion, i weld newid. Mae yna newid yn digwydd. Fe gyhoeddom ni ein pedwerydd adroddiad sicrwydd y byddwn ni'n trafod gyda chi mewn rhyw bythefnos. Fe gyhoeddom ni ein pedwerydd adroddiad sicrwydd yn yr Eisteddfod. Teitl yr adroddiad oedd 'Mesur o Lwyddiant' ac nid ar chwarae bach y gwnaethom ni ei alw fe'n fesur o lwyddiant oherwydd rydw i'n credu ein bod ni yn gweld hadau o lwyddiant yn dod trwodd. Mae yna o hyd le i wella, wrth gwrs, ond rydw i'n credu ei bod hi'n lot rhy gynnar i benderfynu bod angen newid y ddeddfwriaeth yn llwyr. Nid yw'r dystiolaeth yna.
English: I'll start and then I'll turn to Dyfan, because, again, Dyfan deals with this on a daily basis. I do have some concerns in terms of our work as an organisation and the work of the organisations that have invested in standards. I think it's very important to think about what the 103 organisations have done. They have changed their systems. They have made use of resources. They have employed staff. I do think that there is real concern that we're going to lose momentum, and it's the momentum that has been developing. But, Dyfan, if you could tell us what it means on a day-to-day basis - .
Welsh: Fe wnaf i ddechrau ac wedyn fe wnaf i droi, achos, eto, mae Dyfan yn ymwneud â hyn o ddydd i ddydd. Mae gen i gonsýrn o ran ein gwaith ni fel sefydliad, a gwaith y sefydliadau sydd wedi buddsoddi mewn safonau. Rydw i'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig iawn meddwl am beth mae'r sefydliadau - y 103 ohonyn nhw - wedi ei wneud. Maen nhw wedi newid systemau. Maen nhw wedi defnyddio adnoddau. Maen nhw wedi cyflogi. Rydw i'n credu bod yna wir gonsýrn ein bod ni'n mynd i golli momentwm, a momentwm y gwaith yna sydd yn tyfu. Ond rydw i'n credu, os, Dyfan, y gelli di sôn amboutu beth mae'n ei feddwl o ddydd i ddydd i ni - .
English: Yes. It's an important question, I think, because what it means is that from the point of view of the organisations that are implementing the standards now, and the health organisations that will have to implement them soon, we are able to continue to regulate those organisations. So, there's no problem there, but there may be an issue from the point of view of the organisations' understanding, if the Government is talking about change, what impact that would have on them. Practically, we have a great deal of work ahead of us now, working with the health organisations. So, practically, it hasn't had a great impact to date, but there will not be any more standards after we've finished our work with the health sector. It's important for us to understand what this delay will mean, because it's unlikely that we will see a new Bill until the end of 2020 or the beginning of 2021. Then you have the Assembly elections in May 2021, as you will all be aware. So, practically, it's unlikely that we will see any more standards regulations until the end of 2021, which is three years hence, which is a substantial delay. So, it's important for us to understand that. Practically, what that means for us is that we're considering working with some organisations that we would have wished to have imposed standards on under the old system of the language schemes. For example, new organisations have been established recently where it's likely that we will begin to work with them on language schemes because we can't work with them under the standards regime. So, that's the kind of practical impact it's having.
Welsh: Ie. Mae'n gwestiwn pwysig, rydw i'n meddwl, achos beth mae'n ei olygu ydy o ran y cyrff sy'n gweithredu safonau rŵan, a'r cyrff iechyd hefyd a fydd yn gweithredu'r safonau yn fuan, rydym ni'n gallu parhau i reoleiddio'r cyrff yna. Felly, nid oes problem o ran hynny, ond mae yna issue, efallai, o ran dealltwriaeth cyrff, os ydy'r Llywodraeth yn sôn am newid, pa effaith a fydd hynny'n ei gael arnyn nhw? Yn ymarferol, mae gennym ni waith mawr o'n blaenau rŵan, yn gweithio efo'r cyrff iechyd, felly yn ymarferol, nid yw'n cael lot o effaith eto, ond fydd yna ddim rhagor o safonau ar ôl i ni weithio efo'r cyrff iechyd am y tro. Mae'n bwysig i ni ddeall yn union beth mae'n ei olygu, hefyd, yr oedi yma, oherwydd mae'n annhebygol, rydw i'n meddwl, y gwelwn ni Fil newydd tan ddiwedd 2020, dechrau 2021. Mae etholiadau'r Cynulliad wedyn, fel y byddwch chi i gyd yn ymwybodol, ym Mai 2021. Felly, yn ymarferol, mae'n annhebygol y gwelwn ni ragor o reoliadau safonau tan ddiwedd 2021, o bosib - tair blynedd i ffwrdd - sydd yn oedi sylweddol. So, mae'n bwysig i ni ddeall hynny. Yn ymarferol, beth mae'n ei olygu i ni wedyn ydy ein bod ni'n ystyried gweithio efo rhai cyrff y buasem ni wedi dymuno gosod safonau arnyn nhw o dan yr hen drefn cynlluniau iaith. Er enghraifft, mae yna gyrff cyhoeddus newydd wedi'u sefydlu'n weddol ddiweddar, lle mae'n debyg, rŵan, y gwnawn ni ddechrau gweithio efo nhw ar gynlluniau iaith, oherwydd nid ydym yn gallu o dan y gyfundrefn safonau. Felly, dyna'r math o effaith ymarferol y mae'n ei gael.