English: I thank Nick Ramsay. Can I assure him that I took the train back to Aberystwyth, so I'm sure I suffered alongside him, and a very pleasant journey it was as well? I think the key point that he was making around the role that the Finance Committee can play, and one of the reasons, he'll be aware, that I wanted to bring this statement to the Chamber, was that, in the Finance Committee, we don't want this just to be a debate in the Finance Committee, but something that involves all Assembly Members, and vibrant to be aware that this is a pace of change that we haven't seen for some - well, we've never seen before because we haven't seen fiscal devolution before. The pace of change around our scrutiny of the budget, around the budget process itself, will be enormous in these next two or three years, and I think everyone needs to get across that, and that's one of the reasons, I hope, for bringing the Finance Committee's own deliberations out into the open, into the whole Chamber, as well. So, we do have that important role to play, and I think our most relevant role at the moment is to look at and examine very carefully what the lessons are in places like Scotland, what the lesson is of a legislative approach to budgeting, and to try and apply those to Wales. But I would agree with the point that he makes around a bespoke arrangement in Wales. I'm not - . I would not advocate - and I don't think he does, either - just copying from Scotland or copying from other parts of the United Kingdom, or, indeed, other devolved legislatures elsewhere. We do want an arrangement that is bespoke for Wales and suits not only our scrutiny arrangements, but also the ability of the Welsh Government to propose budgets that are based on the most available and best data and the best information possible. In that regard, as well, I would take up his point, really, around where we go further forward. What we have in place, I would agree with him, is robust enough for the current arrangements, but as we have future devolution, I think the example of the fiscal commission in Scotland is an interesting one to look at and examine. We don't need it today, but maybe in two or three years, particularly, perhaps, in the next Assembly when we have fuller exercise of the income tax powers, when, perhaps, we will have had an election where people will have pitched an election debate around raising or lowering income tax. Then we will need a very clear pair of independent eyes on proposals coming forward from whichever Government, whichever party they are. So, I thank the Member for his company in Edinburgh as well, but just to say that we did learn a lot there, but we also learnt that, though we sometimes look elsewhere and think that they're doing much better than us, when you get down to some of the detail, I think we don't do quite so badly ourselves either.
Welsh: Diolch i Nick Ramsay. A gaf fi ei sicrhau fy mod wedi cael y trên yn ôl i Aberystwyth, felly rwy'n siŵr fy mod wedi dioddef wrth ei ochr, a thaith ddymunol iawn oedd hi hefyd? Rwy'n meddwl mai'r pwynt allweddol a wnaeth ynglŷn â'r rôl y gall y Pwyllgor Cyllid ei chwarae, ac un o'r rhesymau roeddwn eisiau dod â'r datganiad hwn i'r Siambr, fel y gŵyr, oedd nad ydym ni yn y Pwyllgor Cyllid eisiau i hyn fod yn ddadl yn y Pwyllgor Cyllid yn unig, ond yn hytrach, yn rhywbeth sy'n cynnwys holl Aelodau'r Cynulliad, ac yn fywiog i fod yn ymwybodol fod hwn yn newid ar gyflymder nad ydym wedi'i weld ers peth - wel, nas gwelwyd erioed o'r blaen gan nad ydym wedi gweld datganoli cyllidol o'r blaen. Bydd cyflymder y newid mewn perthynas â'n gwaith craffu ar y gyllideb, o amgylch proses y gyllideb ei hun, yn enfawr yn y ddwy neu dair blynedd nesaf, ac rwy'n credu bod angen i bawb dderbyn hynny, a dyna un o'r rhesymau, rwy'n gobeithio, dros wneud trafodion y Pwyllgor Cyllid ei hun yn agored, i mewn i'r Siambr gyfan yn ogystal. Felly, mae gennym rôl bwysig i'w chwarae, ac rwy'n meddwl mai ein rôl fwyaf perthnasol ar hyn o bryd yw edrych ar, ac archwilio'n ofalus iawn beth yw'r gwersi mewn llefydd fel yr Alban, beth yw'r wers o ran yr ymagwedd ddeddfwriaethol tuag at gyllidebu, a cheisio cymhwyso hynny yng Nghymru. Ond byddwn yn cytuno gyda'r pwynt y mae'n ei wneud ynglŷn â threfniant pwrpasol yng Nghymru. Nid wyf - . Ni fyddwn yn dadlau - ac nid wyf yn meddwl ei fod ef chwaith - dros gopïo'r Alban neu dros gopïo rhannau eraill o'r Deyrnas Unedig, neu'n wir, dros gopïo deddfwrfeydd datganoledig eraill mewn mannau eraill. Rydym eisiau trefniant sydd ar gyfer Cymru'n benodol ac sy'n gweddu nid yn unig i'n trefniadau craffu, ond hefyd i allu Llywodraeth Cymru i argymell cyllidebau a seiliwyd ar y data sydd fwyaf ar gael a'r data gorau a'r wybodaeth orau bosibl. Yn hynny o beth, hefyd, byddwn yn mynd ar ôl ei bwynt, mewn gwirionedd, ynglŷn â ble rydym yn symud ymlaen ymhellach. Byddwn yn cytuno ag ef fod yr hyn sydd gennym ar waith yn ddigon cadarn ar gyfer y trefniadau cyfredol, ond wrth inni gael datganoli yn y dyfodol, rwy'n meddwl bod enghraifft y comisiwn cyllidol yn yr Alban yn un ddiddorol i edrych arni a'i harchwilio. Nid oes ei angen arnom heddiw ond efallai mewn dwy neu dair blynedd, yn enwedig, efallai, yn y Cynulliad nesaf pan fydd gennym hawl i arfer y pwerau treth incwm yn llawnach, pan fyddwn wedi cael etholiad, efallai, lle bydd pobl wedi bwrw iddi ar ddadl etholiadol ynglŷn â chodi neu ostwng treth incwm. Yna, bydd angen i ni gael pâr clir iawn o lygaid annibynnol ar gynigion a gaiff eu cyflwyno gan ba Lywodraeth bynnag, pa blaid bynnag y byddant. Felly, diolch i'r Aelod am ei gwmni yng Nghaeredin hefyd, a dim ond dweud ein bod wedi dysgu llawer yno, ond fe ddysgasom hefyd, er ein bod weithiau'n edrych mewn mannau eraill ac yn meddwl eu bod yn gwneud yn llawer gwell na ni, pan edrychwch ar y peth yn fanwl, nid wyf yn credu ein bod yn gwneud mor wael â hynny ein hunain chwaith.