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English: Yes, but what I'm saying is, because of the pragmatic situation, in that there aren't specialists across Wales speaking Welsh in every area, what about trying to prioritise, and prioritise within those standards, and look at those specific aspects, such as the seven sectors, or even choose two of them? At the moment, there is nothing in the standards that gives the right to the people who are in need in that way, who may have a member of the family who has dementia, who know that that member of the family cannot communicate through the medium of English. If there was some consideration given to that in the standards themselves, I think it would strengthen the situation of Welsh speakers. That's what I'm trying to get to here, and I can see at least one of you agrees with me there, so that's great. Moving on, therefore, to primary care, and once again, of course, the same problem arises here. The standards do not go into the area of primary care, and I'd like to just have your general opinion on that - the fact that the standards do not look at that area. Who'd like to begin?
Welsh: Ie, ond beth rwy'n ei ddweud ydy, oherwydd y sefyllfa bragmataidd - bod yna ddim arbenigwyr ar draws Cymru'n siarad Cymraeg ym mhob maes - beth am geisio blaenoriaethu, a blaenoriaethu o fewn y safonau, a mynd ar ôl yr agweddau penodol hynny, fel y saith sector, neu hyd yn oed dewis dau ohonyn nhw? Ar hyn o bryd, nid oes dim byd o gwbl yn y safonau sydd yn rhoi hawl i'r angen yna i rywun sydd efo aelod o'r teulu efo dementia, sydd yn gwybod yn iawn nad yw'r aelod yna o'r teulu yn gallu cyfathrebu yn Saesneg. Petai yna rywfaint o ystyriaeth i hynny yn y safonau eu hunain, rwy'n meddwl byddai'n cryfhau sefyllfa'r siaradwyr - dyna'r pwynt rwy'n mynd ar ei ôl, ac rwy'n gweld fy mod yn cael cytundeb o leiaf un ohonoch chi, sydd yn wych. Symud ymlaen at ofal sylfaenol, ac unwaith eto, wrth gwrs, mae'r un un broblem yn codi fan hyn. Nid yw'r safonau'n mynd i mewn i'r maes gofal sylfaenol, a buaswn i'n leicio jest cael eich barn gyffredinol chi ynglŷn â hynny - y ffaith nad yw'r safonau yn mynd i fewn i'r maes hwnnw. Pwy sy'n mynd i ddechrau?
English: Yes, just following on from that point regarding GPs in their own practices. Of course, those GPs do have to comply with rights such as accessibility - wheelchair users and so forth - and also people who are hard of hearing and those who can't see well. Those fundamental aspects must be in place, even in GP practices that are independent, according to your definition. So why, therefore, does the Welsh language not have the same right? How could anyone justify fewer rights to the Welsh language compared with accessibility, for example?
Welsh: Ie, jest yn dilyn o'r pwynt yna ynglŷn â meddygon teulu sydd yn eu practisys eu hunain, wrth gwrs, mae'r meddygon teulu hynny yn gorfod cydymffurfio efo hawliau megis hygyrchedd - pobl sydd mewn cadair olwyn ac ati - a hefyd hawliau pobl sy'n drwm eu clyw a phobl sydd ddim yn gallu gweld yn iawn. Mae'r sylfeini hynny'n gorfod bod, hyd yn oed mewn meddygfeydd sy'n annibynnol, yn ôl eich diffiniad chi. Felly, pam nad yr un un hawl i'r Gymraeg? Sut fuasai unrhyw un yn gallu cyfiawnhau bod yna lai o hawl i'r Gymraeg o'i gymharu â hygyrchedd, er enghraifft?
English: Is it a matter of interpretation perhaps, that the language is less important to the system if it isn't part of primary care regulations, because there are other processes in place in terms of accessibility and those are included in the contracts between the health boards and the independent contractors?
Welsh: Ai mater o ddehongliad yw e efallai, fod yr iaith yn llai pwysig wedyn i'r system os nad ydy hi'n rhan o'r rheoliadau gofal sylfaenol, oherwydd mae yna brosesau eraill yn eu lle o ran hygyrchedd ac mae'r rheini yn y contractau sydd rhwng y byrddau iechyd a'r contractwyr annibynnol?
English: But the standards to state that responsibilities would be placed in those contracts. So, it would be seen, therefore, in the same way.
Welsh: Ond mae'r safonau'n dweud y byddai cyfrifoldebau'n cael eu gosod yn y contractau. So, byddai'n cael ei gweld wedyn yn yr un modd.
English: But it would be the health boards that would have to be accountable for that, rather than the contractors themselves. How would you feel about that?
Welsh: Ond wedyn y byrddau iechyd fydd yn gorfod bod yn atebol am hynny, yn hytrach na nhw fel contractwyr. Sut fyddech chi'n teimlo am hynny?
English: That would fall within the contracts like anything else within -
Welsh: Byddai'n cwympo o fewn y contractau fel unrhyw beth arall sy'n -
English: In relation to the managed practices, therefore, the standards will apply to them but, of course, the face-to-face service isn't there in the new regulations, is it? And I come back to the same point: we are all in agreement that some patients will need to speak Welsh with their GP, and, again, it's not touched upon at all in the standards. Would there be any way of starting - again, I'm talking about prioritisation - in some geographical areas, for example, where it would have been possible? Or do you think there's a more creative way? Rather than just saying, 'No, they're not going to be in the standards', is there anything that could possibly be done within the standards, in your opinion, and does it need to be done?
Welsh: O ran y managed practices, felly, mae'r safonau'n mynd i fod yn gymwys iddyn nhw ond, wrth gwrs, nid yw'r gwasanaeth wyneb i wyneb hwnnw yn y rheoliadau newydd, nac ydy? Ac rydw i'n dod yn ôl i'r un un pwynt: rydym ni i gyd yn cytuno bod angen ar rai cleifion i gael siarad yn Gymraeg efo'u GP, ac eto nid yw'n cael ei gyffwrdd o gwbl yn y safonau. A fyddai yna unrhyw ffordd o fod wedi cychwyn - eto, rydw i'n sôn am flaenoriaethu - mewn rhai ardaloedd daearyddol, er enghraifft, lle byddai wedi bod yn bosibl? Neu a ydych chi'n credu bod ffordd mwy creadigol? Yn hytrach na jest dweud, 'Na, nid ydyn nhw'n mynd i fod yn y safonau', a oes yna unrhyw beth y byddai'n bosib ei wneud o fewn y safonau, yn eich barn chi, ac a oes angen gwneud hynny?
English: I appreciate that work that you do, but I wonder would it have been helpful for you to have more included within the standards themselves in relation to that? I understand that in your area it is a challenge, but I wonder whether the geographical issue should have been considered maybe, in relation to the standards being placed in certain areas, where perhaps it's more practical to do so and where the need really is there?
Welsh: Rydw i'n gwerthfawrogi'r gwaith rydych chi'n ei wneud, ond tybed a fyddai fo wedi bod yn help i chi gael mwy o gig ar yr asgwrn yn y safonau eu hunain? Rydw i'n derbyn, yn yr ardal rydych chi ynddi, ei bod hi'n her, ond tybed a ddylid bod wedi meddwl mewn termau daearyddol, lle efallai fod safon yn gallu cael ei gosod mewn rhai ardaloedd, lle mae'n fwy ymarferol i fod yn gwneud hynny a lle mae'r angen yn wirioneddol gryf?
English: Just to broaden that point and to give a creative idea, perhaps the lawyers amongst us can help with a response to this. We're given to understand that one can add primary care providers to Schedule 6, for example bodies in receipt of over £400,000. Is that something that you believe could be implemented, or, again, do you think that it would be policy decision not to do that? We're given to understand that it's legally possible to do so. So, any practice given a contract worth over £400,000 could fall within the scope of the standards.
Welsh: Efallai, jest er mwyn ehangu ar y pwynt yna, o ran syniad creadigol, efallai fod y cyfreithwyr yn ein mysg yn gallu ein helpu ni o ran yr ateb yma. Rydym ni ar ddeall bod modd ychwanegu darparwyr gofal sylfaenol i Atodlen 6, er enghraifft cyrff sy'n ennill dros £400,000. A ydy hynny'n rhywbeth rydych chi'n credu a all weithio, neu, eto, a ydych chi'n credu y byddai'n benderfyniad polisi i beidio â gwneud hynny? Rydym ni ar ddeall ei fod e'n gyfreithiol bosibl i wneud hynny. Felly, byddai unrhyw bractis sy'n cael contract o dros £400,000 yn rhan o'r safonau.
English: So, you'd be happy for it to be part of the contract, but then, with the standard, you weren't clear that you would be happy to have a standard - .
Welsh: - y byddech chi'n hapus iddo fe fod yn rhan o'r contract, ond wedyn, gyda'r safon, nid oeddech chi'n glir eich bod chi'n hapus i gael safon - .
English: Regarding the 2016 regulations, as understood by the health boards, those standards were placed on the health boards and they were responsible therefore. If it was part of the contract, it would be different because it would be like everything else within the contract.
Welsh: Fel oedd y rheoliadau yn 2016, fel roedd y byrddau iechyd wedi deall, roedd y safonau wedi'u gosod ar y byrddau iechyd, a'r byrddau iechyd oedd yn gyfrifol wedyn. Pe bai e'n rhan o'r contract, byddai'n wahanol achos byddai yr un peth â phopeth arall yn y contract.
English: So, you are not accountable therefore under the contract?
Welsh: Nid chi sy'n atebol wedyn o fewn y contract?
English: No, we're not. They would be accountable to us.
Welsh: Na. Maen nhw'n atebol i ni.
English: So, you'd be happy with it because of that. Right. So, would you agree to a new standard as has been suggested, that you would not be accountable for, but that independent GPs would be accountable for? It would mean a change in the law, but that's just something of a rhetorical question for you.
Welsh: Dyna pam y byddech chi'n hapus gyda hynny. Ocê. Felly, a fyddech chi'n cytuno i safon newydd fel sydd wedi cael ei amlygu, na fyddech chi yn atebol iddo, ond byddai'r GPs annibynnol yn atebol iddo? Byddai'n cymryd newid i'r gyfraith, ond jest cwestiwn rhethregol yn hynny o beth.
English: Do any Members have any further questions? No. Thank you very much for your evidence today. If there are any further questions, I hope it will be okay for us to write to you to confirm any answers, maybe. Thank you very much for coming in today. We're going to have a five-minute break now. Thank you very much.
Welsh: A oes gan unrhyw Aelod gwestiwn arall? Na. Wel, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am roi tystiolaeth ger ein bron. Os oes unrhyw gwestiynau eraill, gobeithio y bydd yn iawn inni ysgrifennu atoch chi i gadarnhau unrhyw gwestiwn. Ond diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am ddod i mewn yma heddiw. Byddwn ni'n cymryd seibiant, nawr, o bum munud. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: We are moving on now to item 3, the Welsh Language Standards (No. 7) Regulations (2018), evidence session 2. Dr Phil White and Dr Llion Davies from BMA Cymru Wales, and also Gwerfyl Wyn Roberts, former senior lecturer in health at Bangor University - welcome to you. And also, a last-minute addition - and welcome to you - Dr Emyr Humphreys, consultant. I was struggling to say your title in Welsh, so -
Welsh: Rydym ni'n symud ymlaen nawr at eitem 3, Rheoliadau Safonau'r Gymraeg (Rhif 7) 2018, sesiwn dystiolaeth 2. Dr Phil White a Dr Llion Davies o BMA Cymru Wales, a Gwerfyl Wyn Roberts, cyn uwch-ddarlithydd yn y maes iechyd, Prifysgol Bangor - croeso i chi. Hefyd, ar y funud olaf - a chroeso - Dr Emyr Humphreys, meddyg ac ymgynghorydd. Nid oeddwn i'n gallu dweud eich teitl chi yn y Gymraeg, felly -
English: Rheumatologist. Okay. Great. Thank you for coming in today. We are continuing with our scrutiny of the regulations. A first question from me, then, please. Can I ask you for your general opinion on these regulations? Are they good? Are they weak? What would you do differently? Just a general question to find your opinion, please. I'm not sure who'd like to begin.
Welsh: Gwynegonoleg. Dyna ni. Grêt. Diolch i chi am ddod i mewn yma heddiw. Rydym ni'n parhau gyda'r craffu ar y rheoliadau. Cwestiwn cychwynnol gen i, os mae'n iawn. A gaf i ofyn i chi beth yw eich barn gyffredinol ynglŷn â'r rheoliadau yma? A ydyn nhw'n dda? A ydyn nhw'n wan? Beth fyddech chi'n ei wneud yn wahanol? Cwestiwn cyffredinol i weld beth yw eich barn gychwynnol. Nid wyf yn siŵr pwy sydd eisiau cychwyn.
English: Well, we welcome the use of the Welsh language, particularly where I work. In the north-west of Wales, Welsh is the main language, but some of my colleagues in south Wales are a little concerned that, if strict rules were to be implemented in terms of the language, it would make things more difficult for them. From my point of view, almost 100 per cent of the people working with me speak Welsh and three in five doctors speak Welsh. So we don't see it as a problem. But people are concerned if the regulations require them to employ Welsh speakers or even to provide someone to speak Welsh on their behalf. It would make things very difficult, and there may be some risks in terms of patient health. Because if you get second-hand information through an interpreter then you may lose some of the nuance of what the patient is saying. We've had an example of this recently where we have a Syrian refugee who's a patient, and we need someone to interpret on his behalf, and very often what he says and what the interpreter says is not exactly the same.
Welsh: Wel, rydym ni'n croesawu defnyddio'r Gymraeg, yn enwedig lle rydw i'n gweithio. Yng ngogledd-orllewin Cymru, Cymraeg ydy'r brif iaith, ond mae rhai o'n cydweithwyr ni yn y de yma yn poeni braidd os byddai rheolau llym yn dod mewn ynghylch yr iaith, byddai'n gwneud pethau lot fwy anodd iddyn nhw. O'm rhan i, mae bron i 100 y cant o bobl sy'n gweithio efo fi yn siarad Cymraeg, ac mae tri allan o bump o feddygon yn siarad Cymraeg. Felly, nid ydym ni'n ei weld o'n broblem. Ond, mae pobl yn poeni os ydy'r rheolau yn eu gorfodi nhw i gyflogi pobl Cymraeg, neu hyd yn oed rhoi rhywun ar eu rhan nhw i siarad Cymraeg, y byddai'n gwneud pethau yn anodd iawn, ac mae'n bosibl y byddai'n berygl o ran iechyd cleifion. Achos os ydych chi'n cael rhywbeth ail-law o rywun sy'n cyfieithu, weithiau rydych chi'n colli beth yn union mae'r claf yn ei ddweud. Rydym ni wedi cael esiampl o hwn yn ddiweddar, lle mae gennym ni ffoadur o Syria yn glaf, ac mae'n rhaid cael rhywun i siarad ar ei ran, ac yn aml iawn, nid yw beth mae o'n dweud a beth mae'r gweithiwr yn dweud yr un fath.
English: So the answer might be to have a standard to expand on the training for staff in the sector. For example, the RCN have something along those lines. Do you think it would be possible to get over those problems in relation to the compliance notices? Do you think you could discuss it with the commissioner, to say that perhaps there's a crisis in relation to GPs in one particular area, maybe, and maybe perhaps you could work around those problems?
Welsh: So efallai'r ateb fyddai i gael safon i ehangu ar yr hyfforddi ar gyfer staff yn y sector. Er enghraifft, mae'r RCN yn cynnig rhywbeth felly. A fyddai modd i ddod dros y problemau hynny yng nghyd-destun yr hysbysiadau cydymffurfio? A fyddai modd i chi drafod hyn gyda'r comisiwn i ddweud efallai bod yna argyfwng GPs mewn un ardal, neu fod yna broblem mewn un ardal benodol, a byddai modd i chi weithio o gwmpas y problemau?
English: There's a huge GP crisis already - 10 per cent of patients in north Wales now are in a practice that is managed by the health board, and they are finding it more and more difficult to find locums. You'd be grateful to have a doctor at all, whatever language he or she speaks, and that is the situation as it currently exists.
Welsh: Mae argyfwng mawr o ran meddygon teulu yn barod - 10 y cant o gleifion gogledd Cymru nawr mewn practis sydd dan reolaeth y bwrdd iechyd, ac maen nhw'n ei gael o'n fwy a mwy anodd i gael gweithwyr locwm. Rydych chi'n ddiolchgar o gael doctor o gwbl, dim ots pa iaith mae o'n siarad, a dyna'r sefyllfa yn y byd fel y mae hi.
English: Are there any other initial comments from the panel?
Welsh: A oes yna sylwadau cychwynnol eraill gan y panel?
English: Just to confirm, would you want these regulations to be passed as they are, or would it be on condition of there being changes? Clearly, we can't table amendments as a committee, but would it be on the condition that the Minister were to make amendments?
Welsh: Jest i gadarnhau, a fyddech chi eisiau i'r rheoliadau hyn pasio fel y maen nhw, neu ar yr amod y byddai - yn amlwg, nid ydym ni'n gallu rhoi gwelliannau i mewn fel pwyllgor, ond ar yr amod y byddai'r Gweinidog yn rhoi gwelliannau gerbron?
English: Personally, yes. Certainly.
Welsh: Yn bersonol, ie. Yn sicr.
English: In relation to what you've already mentioned, can I ask perhaps you two to begin with what would your response be to what colleagues say about a lack of doctors, a lack of consultants, making it rather difficult to have a system where it's possible for someone to have a clinical consultation through the medium of Welsh? What is the solution? You've already mentioned having some kind of system. Could you elaborate?
Welsh: Diolch. Yn gysylltiedig efo beth yr ydych chi'n ei ddweud, a dweud y gwir, a gaf i ofyn i chi'ch dau i ddechrau beth fyddai'ch ymateb chi i beth mae cyfeillion yn ei ddweud, bod prinder meddygon, prinder consultants, yn ei gwneud hi'n anodd i gael system lle mae'n bosibl i rywun gael ymgynghoriad clinigol drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg? Beth ydy'r ateb? Rydych chi wedi sôn amdano - creu rhyw fath o system - ond a allwch chi ymhelaethu?
English: I'm saying we could use the current systems in order to record and to bring the patient and the appropriate doctor together, where possible. In terms of -
Welsh: Wel, defnyddio'r systemau presennol, a defnyddio'r systemau presennol i gofnodi ac i ddod â'r claf a'r meddyg priodol at ei gilydd, lle mae'n bosibl ar hyn o bryd. O safbwynt -
English: Do you think that there needs to be a standard to do that, or do we need to strengthen the standard on language of choice?
Welsh: A ydych chi'n meddwl bod eisiau safon i wneud hynny, neu gryfhau'r safon ynglŷn â dewis iaith?
English: I feel that there is an opportunity to strengthen the standard so that it would make it easier for a patient to request that, but this is from the point of view of treatment that isn't acute, which is -
Welsh: Rwy'n teimlo fod yna gyfle i gryfhau'r safon fel ei bod yn hawdd i glaf i ofyn am hynny, ond mae hyn o safbwynt triniaeth sydd ddim yn acíwt, sydd yn -
English: So, let's say that an older person in my family needs a new hip, and that older person is also suffering dementia and needs to be able to communicate through the medium of Welsh with the consultant who's going to be carrying out the hip replacement. How would that work? Would that individual express a preference at the first point of contact, or would the family express that preference, to communicate through the medium of Welsh? That's already there. That right's already contained within the standard, but what isn't there is what happens next. As far as I can see, there is no purpose in saying that you want a Welsh language service and then there is no route for you to move forward with that. Do you see - and if I could ask you too - whether it would be practicable to have such a system where there is a real need for that individual to be able to communicate, where possible? Should such a standard be put in place so that that right is in place where it is possible to provide it within the limitations?
Welsh: So, dywedwch bod person oedrannus yn fy nheulu i eisiau clun newydd, ac mae'r person oedrannus yna yn dioddef o dementia hefyd, ac mae'r person oedrannus yna angen medru cyfathrebu yn Gymraeg efo'r consultant sydd yn mynd i wneud y gwaith ar y glun. Sut fyddai hynny yn gweithio wedyn? A fyddai'r person yna yn dangos dymuniad ar y pwynt cyntaf i gyfathrebu, neu a fuasai'r teulu yn dangos dymuniad i gyfathrebu, yn y Gymraeg? Mae hwnnw yna rŵan, onid yw? Mae'r hawl hwnnw yna o fewn y safon yna, ond beth sydd ddim yn y safon ydy beth sy'n digwydd wedyn. Hyd y gwelaf i, nid oes pwrpas dweud eich bod chi eisiau rhywbeth yn Gymraeg ac wedyn nid oes yna ffordd i chi fedru symud ymlaen efo fo. A ydych chi'n gweld - ac a gaf ofyn i chi hefyd - a fyddai o'n ymarferol i gael system fel yna, lle mae angen gwirioneddol i'r person yna fedru cyfathrebu - os ydy o'n bosib? A ddylid rhoi safon fel yna fel bod o leiaf yr hawl yna, os ydy o'n bosib o fewn y cyfyngiadau?
English: Could I have your response too, then, to this possibility of having a standard on people's rights to a Welsh language clinical consultation, as a starting point? The standards say 'where appropriate, where practicable.' So, what's wrong in putting that as an objective in order to hasten the process of getting more practitioners into the system?
Welsh: A gaf eich ymateb chi'n dau, felly, i'r posibilrwydd o gael safon ynglŷn â hawl pobl i gael ymgynghoriad clinigol, fel y man cychwyn? Mae'r safonau yn dweud, onid ydyn, 'lle mae'n briodol, lle mae'n bosib.' Felly, beth sydd o'i le gyda'i osod o fel nod, er mwyn wedyn cyflymu'r broses o gael mwy o ymarferwyr i fewn i'r gyfundrefn?
English: Well, in the north-west, you will have a job finding an orthopaedic surgeon who is Welsh-speaking. I don't think there is anyone from Britain in the north-west of Wales. I think they're all from India, Pakistan. We have one from Spain; we have one from Australia. And one of the things that makes it difficult for people thinking of moving to rural Wales is that perception they have that they would either have to learn Welsh or speak Welsh, and people don't apply for posts because of that. And that is the major risk. In terms -
Welsh: Wel, yn y gogledd-orllewin, gei di job ffeindio Cymro sy'n lawfeddyg orthopaedig. Nid wyf i'n meddwl bod yna Brydeiniwr yn y gogledd-orllewin. Rwy'n meddwl eu bod nhw i gyd o India, Pakistan. Mae gennym ni un o Sbaen; mae gennym ni un o Awstralia. Ac un o'r pethau sydd yn ei gwneud hi'n anodd i bobl feddwl am symud i gefn gwlad Cymru yw'r syniad yna sydd gyda nhw bod yn rhaid iddyn nhw naill ai ddysgu Cymraeg neu bod yn Gymraeg, ac nid yw pobl yn ymgeisio am swyddi oherwydd hyn. Dyma'r perig mwyaf. O ran -
English: So, in that case, the answer would be, 'Well, we can't do that then, because it's not practicable.' But that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be placed there as an objective, and maybe, in other areas, perhaps if we talked about - say if I wanted neurological treatment, for example, there is somebody in Walton, isn't there, who is a specialist there. Do you see what I am saying? That standard is an objective. If it's not possible, it's not possible. But, if it's not there as an objective, where do we go?
Welsh: Felly, yn yr achos yna, yr ateb fyddai, 'Wel, fedrwn ni ddim gwneud hynny i chi achos nid yw'n ymarferol.' Ond nid yw hynny'n golygu na ddylid ei osod e yna fel nod, ac, efallai, mewn meysydd eraill, buaswn i'n sôn wrthych chi am - os buaswn i eisiau triniaeth niwrolegol er enghraifft, efallai, mae yna rhywun yn Walton, onid oes, sy'n arbenigwr. A ydych chi'n gweld beth sydd gen i? Mae'r safon yna fel nod. Os nad yw'r bosib, nid yw'n bosib. Ond os nad ydy o yna, lle ydym ni'n mynd?
English: I've worked in the health service for over 40 years now and most of my colleagues, over the years, particularly in the hospital, have been from outside of the UK. India and Pakistan for the most part. Now, we can't get doctors from those nations because of Home Office reasons, and we see more and more coming from Europe. If you're going to put that additional burden of learning Welsh on top of everything else, or if they are under the impression that they have to communicate through the medium of Welsh - . It's difficult for some of these people to communicate in English. They have to go through the -
Welsh: Rwyf i wedi gweithio yn y gwasanaeth iechyd am dros 40 mlynedd nawr ac mae'r rhan fwyaf o'n nghydweithwyr i, dros y blynyddoedd, yn enwedig yn yr ysbyty, wedi dod o du allan i Brydain. Gan amlaf, gwnaethom ni ddefnyddio India a Phakistan; nawr rydym ni'n methu cael doctoriaid o'r gwledydd hynny am rhesymau y Swyddfa Gartref, a nawr rydym ni'n gweld mwy a mwy yn dod o Ewrop. Os wyt ti'n mynd i roi'r baich o ddysgu Cymraeg ar ben bob dim, neu eu bod nhw o dan yr argraff bod rhaid iddyn nhw gyfathrebu yn y Gymraeg - . Maen nhw'n ei chael hi'n anodd, rhai o'r rheini sy'n dod o rai gwledydd, i gyfathrebu yn Saesneg. Mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw fynd drwy'r -
English: But, for the future -
Welsh: Ond, i'r dyfodol -