English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I thank Members for their contributions. Mark Drakeford - sorry, Mark Isherwood - stressed - [ Laughter.] It's very difficult to confuse the two, Dirprwy Lywydd - it must be an indication of tiredness, I think. Mark Isherwood stressed the social model of disability in considering these matters, and that's certainly something that came through loud and clear in the evidence that we took in our work as a committee. There's no doubt that that concept of the social model of disability - that approach - must underlie everything that takes place with regard to these very important issues. We know that it is the way that society organises itself, or doesn't organise itself, that's absolutely vital to the quality of life and the ability of people with disabilities to lead the independent life that they rightly aspire to. That really must underpin our consideration of all of these issues. Dirprwy Lywydd, let me just reflect on the Government's response, which the Minister has just rehearsed and other Members have mentioned. As was said, initially, Welsh Government rejected nine out of our 19 recommendations. We made further points to Welsh Government by way of letter, as a committee, and then a further three recommendations were accepted in principle. We then wrote again making further points, and then, in a further response from Welsh Government, the Minister accepted that there may be other ways of addressing some of those matters. So, although the committee was disappointed at the initial response, and remains disappointed that not more of the recommendations were accepted, I think it is fair to say that we have had engagement with the Minister and we have seen movement from the Minister, and, indeed, we've had further reassurance today. So, yes, the committee is disappointed, but we have had a dialogue and we have seen some progress. With regard to Dawn Bowden's point on that particular matter, which Dawn is absolutely right in saying that we didn't have evidence on as a committee - so, where there is a delay in renewal it then takes some time to deal with the matter, in the interim period the badge could continue, allowing the badge holder to continue to enjoy the concessions that it brings. I hear what the Minister said in response and, as a committee, we look forward also to keeping tabs on that. I think Jenny Rathbone raised some interesting matters in terms of badge holders themselves, perhaps, not always understanding the importance of their behaviour when it comes to disability and people - wheelchair users, for example - using those dropped pavements. Strangely enough, I met with a group from Knighton, who, as a group of people with disabilities - a user group - were very helpful with the committee's work in facilitating a focus group and continue to be keenly engaged. They, in fact, made that very point that Jenny Rathbone made - that it is, in fact, blue badge holders themselves who, in Knighton, too often park to obstruct dropped pavements, and they're continually reminding everyone of those issues. So, we did talk about awareness-raising campaigns and communication, and, again, that's something that the Minister mentioned. We do need to continually make the appropriate points and try and ensure, as often as possible, that people do understand these issues and behave appropriately. There might be a role for television campaigns and wider awareness raising if we are to be as effective as we need to be on those points. Dirprwy Lywydd, the Minister, I think rightly acknowledged the importance of these matters and getting the balance right so that we extend the benefits of the scheme as much as possible, but we're mindful of the fact that, if that was to go too far, it would diminish the value of the scheme to existing badge holders and those who will become badge holders under the current criteria. We are cognisant of that balance, and we look forward to the updates from the Minister so that we can assess further whether that balance is being struck appropriately. Dirprwy Lywydd, I see that my time has expired. Let me just say in conclusion that this scheme really does matter because, as the Minister again pointed out, in Wales particularly, a high proportion of the population are blue badge holders. So, it's absolutely crucial that we get this scheme right. It does make a significant contribution to quality of life for those badge holders here in Wales.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Diolch i'r Aelodau am eu cyfraniadau. Pwysleisiodd Mark Drakeford - Mark Isherwood, mae'n ddrwg gennyf - [ C hwerthin.] Mae'n anodd iawn drysu rhwng y ddau, Ddirprwy Lywydd - rhaid ei fod yn arwydd o flinder, rwy'n meddwl. Pwysleisiodd Mark Isherwood y model cymdeithasol o anabledd wrth ystyried y materion hyn, ac mae hynny'n sicr yn rhywbeth a ddaeth i'r amlwg yn glir yn y dystiolaeth a gawsom yn ein gwaith fel pwyllgor. Nid oes amheuaeth fod yn rhaid i'r cysyniad o'r model cymdeithasol o anabledd - y dull hwnnw o weithredu - fod yn sail i bopeth sy'n digwydd mewn perthynas â'r materion pwysig hyn. Gwyddom fod y ffordd y mae cymdeithas yn ei threfnu ei hun, neu'n methu trefnu ei hun, yn gwbl allweddol i ansawdd bywyd a gallu pobl ag anableddau i fyw'r bywyd annibynnol y maent yn dyheu amdano. Rhaid i hynny fod wrth wraidd ein hystyriaeth o'r holl faterion hyn. Ddirprwy Lywydd, gadewch i mi ystyried ymateb y Llywodraeth a wyntyllwyd gan y Gweinidog yn awr, ac a drafodwyd gan Aelodau eraill. Fel y dywedwyd, yn wreiddiol, gwrthododd Llywodraeth Cymru naw o'n 19 o argymhellion. Gwnaethom bwyntiau pellach i Lywodraeth Cymru drwy lythyr, fel pwyllgor, ac yna derbyniwyd tri argymhelliad arall mewn egwyddor. Yna, gwnaethom ysgrifennu eto gan wneud pwyntiau eraill, ac yna, mewn ymateb pellach gan Lywodraeth Cymru, derbyniodd y Gweinidog ei bod yn bosibl fod ffyrdd eraill o fynd i'r afael â rhai o'r materion hynny. Felly, er bod y pwyllgor wedi'i siomi yn yr ymateb cychwynnol, ac yn dal i fod yn siomedig na chafodd mwy o'r argymhellion eu derbyn, credaf ei bod yn deg dweud i ni fod mewn cysylltiad â'r Gweinidog ac rydym wedi gweld symudiad ar ei ran, ac yn wir, rydym wedi cael sicrwydd pellach heddiw. Felly, ydy, mae'r pwyllgor yn siomedig, ond rydym wedi cael deialog ac rydym wedi gweld rhywfaint o gynnydd. Ar bwynt Dawn Bowden ar y mater penodol hwnnw, mater y mae Dawn yn llygad ei lle yn dweud na chawsom dystiolaeth arno fel pwyllgor - felly, lle mae oedi cyn adnewyddu, mae'n cymryd peth amser i ymdrin â'r mater, ac yn y cyfamser gallai'r bathodyn barhau gan ganiatáu i ddeiliad y bathodyn barhau i fwynhau'r consesiynau a ddaw yn ei sgil. Clywaf yr hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog wrth ymateb ac fel pwyllgor, edrychwn ymlaen hefyd at gadw llygad ar hynny. Credaf fod Jenny Rathbone wedi crybwyll rhai materion diddorol o ran y deiliaid bathodynnau eu hunain, efallai, nad ydynt bob amser yn deall pwysigrwydd eu hymddygiad mewn perthynas ag anabledd a phobl - defnyddwyr cadeiriau olwyn, er enghraifft - sy'n defnyddio palmentydd isel. Yn rhyfedd ddigon, cyfarfûm â grŵp o Drefyclo, a oedd, fel grŵp o bobl ag anableddau - grŵp defnyddwyr - yn gymorth mawr gyda gwaith y pwyllgor yn hwyluso grŵp ffocws ac maent yn parhau i ymgysylltu'n frwd. Yn wir, gwnaethant yr union bwynt a wnaeth Jenny Rathbone - sef mai deiliaid bathodynnau glas eu hunain mewn gwirionedd sydd, yn Nhrefyclo, yn rhy aml yn parcio mewn modd sy'n rhwystro mynediad at balmentydd isel, ac maent yn atgoffa pawb o'r materion hynny'n barhaus. Felly, siaradwyd am ymgyrchoedd codi ymwybyddiaeth a chyfathrebu, ac unwaith eto, mae hynny'n rhywbeth y soniodd y Gweinidog amdano. Mae angen inni wneud y pwyntiau priodol yn barhaus a cheisio sicrhau, mor aml â phosibl, fod pobl yn deall y materion hyn ac yn ymddwyn yn briodol. Gallai fod rôl i ymgyrchoedd teledu a chodi ymwybyddiaeth yn ehangach os ydym am fod mor effeithiol ag y mae angen inni fod ar y pwyntiau hynny. Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n credu bod y Gweinidog wedi cydnabod pwysigrwydd y materion hyn a chael y cydbwysedd cywir fel ein bod yn ymestyn manteision y cynllun gymaint ag y bo modd, ond rydym yn ymwybodol, pe bai hynny'n mynd yn rhy bell, y byddai'n lleihau gwerth y cynllun i ddeiliaid bathodynnau presennol a'r rhai a fydd yn dod yn ddeiliaid bathodynnau o dan y meini prawf presennol. Rydym yn ymwybodol o'r cydbwysedd hwnnw, ac edrychwn ymlaen at gael y wybodaeth ddiweddaraf gan y Gweinidog fel y gallwn asesu ymhellach i weld a yw'r cydbwysedd hwnnw'n cael ei daro'n briodol. Ddirprwy Lywydd, gwelaf fod fy amser wedi dod i ben. Gadewch imi ddweud i gloi fod y cynllun hwn yn wirioneddol bwysig oherwydd, fel y nododd y Gweinidog eto, yng Nghymru yn arbennig, mae cyfran uchel o'r boblogaeth yn ddeiliaid bathodyn glas. Felly, mae'n gwbl hanfodol ein bod yn cael y cynllun hwn yn iawn. Mae'n gwneud cyfraniad sylweddol at ansawdd bywyd deiliaid y bathodynnau hyn yma yng Nghymru.