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English: If I could just take that forward, I do think that the learning support assistants in schools need further Welsh language training as well. I declare an interest. My mother teaches at a school in Trefforest. It's a Catholic school, and she's the only Welsh-speaker in that school. She said that if she could get support with the assistants - there's usually one in every room - speaking Welsh that would be of assistance to her. I was wondering if there's more emphasis on helping them to undertake training in Welsh, or is there training available to them.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu, jest i gario ymlaen o hynny, bod angen i'r learning support assistants mewn ysgolion gael mwy o hyfforddiant drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg. Rydw i'n datgan diddordeb. Mae fy mam i'n dysgu mewn ysgol yn Nhrefforest, ysgol Gatholig. Hi yw'r unig berson sy'n siarad Cymraeg yn yr ysgol. Mae hi'n dweud, petasai hi'n cael help gyda'r cynorthwywyr staff - maen nhw ymhob ystafell, fel afer - yn siarad Cymraeg, byddai hynny'n help. Rwyf i'n wyndran a oes yna fwy o emphasis ar eu helpu nhw i ddysgu drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg, neu gyrsiau hyfforddiant y gallan nhw fynd arnynt i helpu.
English: Well, that's what the sabbatical scheme is, of course. That's the point of that: to make sure that we give - . Clearly, in relation to the figures, we are not reaching a lot of people yet, but that's the intention: to do exactly what you've mentioned.
Welsh: Wel, dyna yw'r cynllun sabothol. So, dyna yw'r pwynt, fel ein bod ni yn rhoi - . Yn amlwg, o ran y ffigurau, nad ydym ni'n cyrraedd lot o bobl eto. Ond dyna'r pwrpas: i wneud yn union beth yr ŷch chi'n sôn amdano.
English: Okay. We'll move on to Suzy Davies, with questions about Welsh in education and planning for growth.
Welsh: Ie. Ocê. Symud ymlaen at Suzy Davies nawr, gyda chwestiynau am y Gymraeg mewn addysg, ond cynlluniau ar gyfer twf. Diolch.
English: Just on Lee's point on Welsh in English-medium schools, there is plenty of money going in through the raising school standards BEL. You're talking about £4 million or £5 million. But some of that goes to the consortia - well, you've already mentioned that. So, how do you feel about the expenditure of that money? Is it better that it goes to the schools so that they can create their own resources? Or would it be a better idea to have the funding in a central pot? That's an open question in a way. Because it is important, I agree 100 per cent on that.
Welsh: Jest ar y pwynt a wnaeth Lee ynglŷn â Chymraeg mewn ysgolion di-Gymraeg, mae yna ddigon o arian yn mynd mewn trwy'r raising school standards BEL. Rydym ni'n sôn am £4 miliwn, tuag at £5 miliwn, ond mae peth o hwnnw yn mynd i'r consortia - wel, rŷch chi wedi dweud rhywbeth am hynny. Sut ydych chi'n teimlo am y ffordd y mae'r arian yna yn mynd i gael ei wario? A ydy e'n well iddo fynd i ysgolion i greu eu hadnoddau eu hunain, fel rŷch chi wedi sôn amdano, neu fyddai'r syniad gorau i gael yr arian mewn lle canolog i helpu gyda hyn? Jest cwestiwn agored yw hwnnw. Achos mae yn bwysig - rydw i'n cytuno 100 y cant gyda hynny.
English: That funding is strategically co-ordinated through the consortia to make sure that those initiatives all dovetail together. There is a language co-ordinator in every consortium tasked with promoting the Welsh language in education, whether in Welsh-medium or English-medium education. I think the Siartr Iaith programme has been a key element. It started in Welsh-medium schools, but there is potential to start it in English-medium schools, because, as you have already recognised, it's more than just about speaking the language. The feeling of passion towards Welsh, being Welsh, is really important. Learning is much easier if you have a positive attitude, and people are more likely to learn then, and want to learn.
Welsh: Mae'r arian yna yn cael ei gydlynu yn strategol drwy'r consortia ar hyn o bryd i wneud yn siŵr bod yr initiatives i gyd yn cyd-redeg efo ei gilydd. Mae yna gydlynydd iaith ym mhob consortiwm drwy'r arian er mwyn hybu a hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg mewn addysg - yn nealltwriaeth i ydy boed mewn addysg Gymraeg neu mewn addysg Saesneg. Rydw i'n meddwl bod rhaglen yr Siartr Iaith wedi bod yn allweddol. Mae wedi cael ei chychwyn mewn ysgolion cyfrwng Cymraeg, ond mae yna botensial i ddechrau honno mewn ysgolion cyfrwng Saesneg. Achos, fel rydych chi wedi cydnabod, mae yn fwy na jest siarad yr iaith. Mae'r ymwybyddiaeth a dealltwriaeth, y cariad at Gymreictod, yn hollbwysig, achos mae dysgu yn rhywbeth lle, os oes agwedd bositif, yna mae pobl yn fwy tebygol o ddysgu, ac eisiau dysgu.
English: Is it starting to change the culture in non-Welsh speaking areas? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Welsh: A ydy e'n dechrau creu diwylliant mewn ardaloedd di-Gymraeg? A ydych chi'n gweld unrhyw fath o dystiolaeth i gadarnhau hynny?
English: Okay. Because one of the questions I have in relation to planning for growth in the use of the Welsh language, I hope, is this: there is a statutory duty, I think, on councils at the moment not only to assess demand, but also to promote that demand as well. Unfortunately, there isn't a statutory requirement to provide for any growth, but I've looked through the papers that we've had from you and I didn't see any mention of training in relation to the Welsh language. Sorry, I should say promotion - I used the wrong word there. Is this idea to transfer the duty to Mudiad Meithrin, for example, to create growth within the communities, or do the WESPs still include any comments on the duty of the authorities themselves to promote the Welsh language? Because it would be easy to keep quiet about that, and not see any growth at all.
Welsh: Ocê. Achos mae un o'r cwestiynau sydd gyda fi ynglŷn â chynllunio dros dwf yn nefnydd y Gymraeg, gobeithio, yw hyn: mae yna ddyletswydd statudol, rydw i'n credu, ar y cynghorau ar hyn o bryd, nid dim ond i asesu gofyn ond i hyrwyddo'r gofyn hefyd. Yn anffodus, nid oes gofyniad statudol i ddarparu dros unrhyw dwf, ond mae'n debyg i fi, ac rydw i wedi edrych trwy'r papurau yr ydym ni wedi'u cael oddi wrthoch chi - welais i ddim sôn o hyfforddi'r Gymraeg. A ydy'r syniad yw - H? Na, hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg, sori - gair anghywir. A ydy'r syniad i drosglwyddo'r ddyletswydd i Fudiad Meithrin, er enghraifft, i greu twf tu fewn i gymunedau, neu ydy'r WESPs yn dal yn cynnwys unrhyw sylwadau ynghylch dyletswydd y cynghorau eu hunain i hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg? Achos byddai'n hawdd i fod yn dawel ar hynny, a gweld dim twf o gwbl.
English: I think Aled did note some difficulties in terms of measuring demand. It works in some areas, but it doesn't in others, because measuring demand among those who may not understand the questions in the first place - . But that duty is still a legal responsibility in the current regulations, and therefore it is a question that we as officials ask when we have these conversations. The Government has prepared materials for Welsh language promotion and all councils can use those. They were launched in September. So, there is support for the local authorities, and guidance as to how they should be conveying messages. But, of course, they have to adapt those messages at a local level because the situation of the Welsh language differs in all areas.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl bod Aled wedi nodi rhywfaint o anhawster o ran mesur y galw. Mae'n gysyniad od iawn. Mae'n gweithio mewn rhai ardaloedd, ond nid ydy e'n gweithio mewn ardaloedd eraill, achos mae mesur y galw ymysg rhai sydd ddim yn deall yn y lle cyntaf - . Ond mae'r ddyletswydd yna yn dal yn ddyletswydd gyfreithiol o dan y rheoliadau cyfredol. Felly, mae'n gwestiwn yr ydym ni'n ei ofyn fel swyddogion pan fyddem ni'n cael y sgyrsiau. Mae'r Llywodraeth wedi paratoi deunyddiau ar gyfer hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg a all pob cyngor sir eu defnyddio. Cafodd eu lansio ym mis Medi. Felly, mae yna gefnogaeth i'r cynghorau sir, ac arweiniad ar sut y byddan nhw'n cyfleu negeseuon. Ond, wrth gwrs, mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw addasu'r negeseuon yna yn lleol, achos mae sefyllfa'r Gymraeg yn wahanol ym mhob ardal.
English: I accept that, but I'd just like to have some sort of idea as to what emphasis you put in the WESPs on promotion. What do you expect to see in the WESPs in relation to what a council - whichever one - is doing in order to grow the demand for Welsh-medium education in that particular area? Is it clear? Is there a footnote in there or do you see it as something fundamental?
Welsh: Rydw i'n derbyn hynny, ond jest eisiau cael dipyn bach o syniad o pa bwyslais rydych chi'n ei roi yn y WESPs ar hyrwyddo. Beth ydych chi'n ddisgwyl ei weld yn y WESPs arno ynglŷn â beth mae'r cyngor - pa un bynnag - yn wneud i drio tyfu'r gofyn am addysg drwy'r Gymraeg yn yr ardal? A ydy'n glir? A oes yna rywbeth fel footnote, neu a ydych chi'n gweld ei fod e'n rhywbeth sylfaenol?
English: It is part of that fundamental conversation. So, there are specific outcomes and there is a statutory framework in terms of the relationship and the WESP at the moment, and measuring demand and promotion is an integral part of that. But that clause has only just come into force, so it's only been a requirement for 12 months.
Welsh: Mae o'n rhan o'r sgwrs sylfaenol. So, mae yna ddeilliannau pendant ac mae yna strwythur statudol i'r berthynas ac i'r WESP ar hyn o bryd, ac mae mesur y galw a hyrwyddo yn rhan annatod o hwnnw. Ond newydd ddod i rym oedd y clause yna, felly nid yw wedi bod yn ofynnol dim ond am flwyddyn.
English: So, there is a problem there.
Welsh: Ie, wel, mae yna broblem yna.
English: Yes, there is a problem with that.
Welsh: Oes, mae yna broblem efo hwnnw.
English: Having said that, is it possible - ? What are you asking the authorities therefore to do to ensure that they are able to do what they're promising to do in relation to promotion?
Welsh: Gan ddweud hynny, a ydy'n bosibl i'r - ? Beth ydych chi'n ofyn i'r cynghorau wedyn i'w wneud i sicrhau eu bod nhw'n gallu gwneud beth oedden nhw'n addo ei wneud ynglŷn â hyrwyddo?
English: There are several ways of doing it. There is an education language forum in every county, and partners on the ground that promote - the mentrau iaith, the Mudiad Meithrin. So, all the promotion partners are part of that. So, there's a great deal of focus and discussion as to the role of each partner there.
Welsh: Mae yna sawl ffordd o'i wneud. Mae yna fforwm iaith addysg ym mhob sir, ac mae partneriaid ar lawr gwlad sy'n hybu a hyrwyddo - y mentrau iaith, y Mudiad Meithrin. So, mae'r holl bartneriaid hybu a hyrwyddo yn rhan o hwnnw. Felly, mae yna lot o sylw a thrafodaethau ynglŷn â beth ydy rôl bob partner.
English: So, they're not coming back to you and saying, 'I'd like to do that, but I don't have the resources.'
Welsh: Felly, nid ydyn nhw'n dod nôl atoch chi a dweud, 'Hoffwn i wneud hynny, ond nid oes adnoddau gyda ni.'
English: No, because there is an education language forum in every county including all the partners.
Welsh: Na, achos mae yna fforwm iaith addysg ym mhob sir sy'n cynnwys bob partner.
English: Because I was going to ask whether there is any question here in relation to having funds for more than one year, for example, to help with this problem - and I see it as a problem locally - in relation to promotion, especially for young families. In relation to capital as opposed to revenue -
Welsh: Achos roeddwn i'n mynd i ofyn a oes yna ryw gwestiwn dros y posibilrwydd cael cyllidebau mwy nag un flwyddyn, er enghraifft, i helpu gyda'r broblem - ac rwy'n ei gweld fel problem yn lleol - o ran hyrwyddo'r iaith, yn arbennig i deuluoedd ifanc. O safbwynt cyfalaf yn lle refeniw -
English: On that point, there is a programme Cymraeg for Kids, which specifically targets families in all areas of Wales.
Welsh: Ar y pwynt yna, mae yna raglen Cymraeg i Blant yn benodol i dargedu teuluoedd ym mhob ardal yng Nghymru rŵan.
English: Have you considered again having someone who speaks Welsh in every Flying Start setting? It's not quite the same question as Jenny asked. Has this come up lately?
Welsh: A ydych chi wedi ystyried eto cael rhywun sy'n siarad Cymraeg ym mhob setting Dechrau'n Deg? Nid yw cweit yr un cwestiwn a wnaeth Jenny ei ofyn. A yw hyn wedi dod lan yn ddiweddar?
English: Yes. We do have figures on Flying Start and Mudiad Meithrin work closely with them. But the majority of the Flying Start programme is targeted at parents; I think that some 80 per cent of it is targeted at parents. So, parents might want that provision in English, but might also want to access Welsh-medium education for their children. So, where Flying Start has identified that English-speaking parents want Welsh-medium education for their children, they are referred to it if it's available.
Welsh: Ydy. Mae gennym ni ffigurau ar Dechrau'n Deg, ac mae'r Mudiad Meithrin yn gweithio'n agos efo Dechrau'n Deg. Ond mae mwyafrif rhaglen Dechrau'n Deg wedi ei thargedu at y rhieni; rydw i'n meddwl bod tua 80 y cant o'r arlwy ar gyfer datblygu sgiliau rhieni. Felly, gall y rhieni fod angen arlwy Saesneg ond eu bod nhw eisiau mynediad o bosibl i addysg Gymraeg. Felly, lle mae'r rhaglen Dechrau'n Deg wedi adnabod bod rhieni Saesneg am gael addysg Gymraeg i'w plant, maen nhw'n cael eu cyfeirio os oes yna arlwy ar gael.
English: In areas where there is not much Welsh, is there anything in the WESP to explain how the authority is going to attract teachers to the area if they cannot create them themselves? Is that part of what they do?
Welsh: Ardaloedd lle nad oes lot o Gymraeg - a oes yna rywbeth yn y WESPs i esbonio sut mae'r cyngor yn mynd i ddenu athrawon i'r ardal os nad ydynt yn gallu creu nhw eu hunain? A ydy hynny'n rhan o beth maen nhw'n ei wneud?
English: Sorry, I don't -
Welsh: Sori, nid ydw i -
English: I'm just thinking about areas that are local to us, really, where there isn't much Welsh in schools and there's not much Welsh in the community. We need more Welsh teachers to come in. Is it included in the WESPs for authorities to explain how they will attract Welsh-speaking teachers to their areas? Is it in the WESP?
Welsh: Rwyf i jest yn ystyried lleoedd eithaf lleol i ni, rili, lle nad oes yna lot o Gymraeg yn yr ysgolion ac nid oes lot o Gymraeg yn y gymuned. Mae angen mwy o athrawon Cymraeg i ddod i fewn. A ydy o'n rhan o'r WESPs i gynghorau i esbonio sut maen nhw am ddenu athrawon Cymraeg i'w hardal nhw? A ydy'n rhan o'r WESP?
English: I don't know.
Welsh: Nid ydw i'n gwybod.
English: Well, the conversation on teachers and resources, of course, is an integral part of the conversation about schools. So, yes, it is included, because the WESP process is a lengthy process; it takes three to seven years. So, in that context, if there is an agreement to open a new school, then the things necessary to bring that school into operation would also be discussed.
Welsh: Wel, mae'r sgwrs am athrawon ac adnoddau, wrth gwrs, yn rhan annatod o'r sgwrs am agor mwy o ysgolion. Felly, mi fuasai fo, achos mae'r broses WESP yn broses hir; mae'n cymryd tair i saith mlynedd. Felly, yn y cyd-destun yna, os oes cytundeb i agor ysgol, yna byddai'r pethau sydd eu hangen er mwyn gwneud yr ysgol yna yn weithredol hefyd yn cael eu trafod.
English: Okay. Talking about the longer term, then, what are you expecting from authorities to solve this problem, that is, in areas where there's not much Welsh at the moment and growth is need, we have a problem where many new Welsh-medium schools are being located in some central areas within counties? When that happens, of course, many people find themselves far away from the new school. How are we going to deal with that and the ambition to have more schools in future? Because if we have too many located in the middle of each county, it's going to be difficult to ask for additional schools on the peripheries. Is that a problem?
Welsh: Ocê. Wel, rydych chi wedi sôn am y tymor hir: beth ydych chi'n ddisgwyl gan gynghorau i ddatrys y broblem hon, sef, mewn ardaloedd lle nad oes ddim lot o Gymraeg ar hyn o bryd ac mae angen twf, mae gyda ni broblem lle mae lot o ysgolion newydd Cymraeg yn cael eu lleoli mewn lle canolog rhywle yn y sir? Pan fo hynny yn digwydd, wrth gwrs, mae lot o bobl yn bell o le y mae'r ysgol newydd wedi cael ei sefydlu. Sut rŷm ni'n delio gyda hynny a gyda'r uchelgais o gael mwy o ysgolion yn y dyfodol? Os rŷm ni'n cael gormod yng nghanol bob sir ar hyn o bryd, mae'n mynd i fod yn anodd gofyn am ysgolion ychwanegol ar y peripharies ymlaen llaw. A ydy hyn yn broblem?
English: The location of a school has a major impact because what happens is that, if people aren't interested in sending their children to a Welsh-medium school but if one opens next door to them, they'll say, 'Well, okay, let's go for it'. So, getting the geography right is an important part of how we set all of this out. It's difficult for us - we can intervene to a certain extent with local authorities, but ultimately, they will have to consider the best locations. But there are times when I do think we need to consider geography and the impact that that has. So, for example, my family's from St David's. If I wanted my children to go to a Welsh-medium school from St David's, it would take them about an hour and a half by bus to get to Crymych school. It's just not practical.
Welsh: Mae lleoliad ysgol yn gwneud gwahaniaeth mawr achos beth sy'n digwydd yw bod pobl - os nad oes diddordeb ganddyn nhw mewn anfon eu plant nhw i ysgolion Cymraeg, ond os yw un yn agor y drws nesaf iddyn nhw, maen nhw jest yn mynd, 'Wel, fe wnawn ni fynd amdani'. So, mae cael daearyddiaeth y peth - rwy'n meddwl fod hwnnw'n rhan bwysig o ran sut rŷm ni'n setio fe allan. Mae'n galed i ni - gallwn ni ymyrryd i raddau o ran beth sydd gyda'r llywodraethau lleol, ond, yn y pen draw, bydd rhaid iddyn nhw ystyried ble fydd y llefydd gorau. Ond mae yna adegau, rwy'n meddwl, pan fydd yn rhaid inni ystyried daearyddiaeth sut mae hyn yn gweithio. So, er enghraifft, mae fy nheulu i'n dod o Dyddewi. Petawn i eisiau i'm mhlant i i fynd i ysgol Gymraeg o Dyddewi, byddai'n cymryd tua awr a hanner mewn bws i gyrraedd ysgol Crymych. Wel, nid yw e'n ymarferol.
English: That's the point, in a way.
Welsh: Dyna'r pwynt, mewn ffordd.
English: I'm pleased to say that a new school will be opening in Haverfordwest, but the point is that this business of where schools are located geographically does have a major impact.
Welsh: Rwy'n falch i ddweud bod ysgol newydd yn mynd i agor yn Hwlffordd, ond y pwynt yw bod y busnes yma o ble maen nhw'n ddaearyddol yn gwneud gwahaniaeth mawr.
English: And that's something that you would consider as part of the process of looking at the WESPs.
Welsh: Ac rydych chi'n ystyried hynny fel rhan o'r broses o edrych ar y WESPs.
English: Well, I think we've been quite brave already in sending them all back to the authorities. We're not going to sign them off until we're content, and, again, we've returned some a second time. So, the question therefore is: how do we ensure that progress is maintained? I think this link with twenty-first century schools is important, because there is this additional funding available. Now, I'm not saying here that that funding will be provided to Welsh-medium schools - we have to be very careful here - but we have to realise, and they have to realise, that we do want to see that they are taking the system seriously, and I think they're starting to do that.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n meddwl ein bod wedi bod yn eithaf dewr yn barod yn eu hanfon nhw i gyd yn ôl. Nid ydym ni'n mynd i'w harwyddo nhw tan ein bod ni'n hapus, ac, eto, rŷm ni wedi anfon rhai arall yn ôl eto. Felly, y cwestiwn wedyn yw: sut ŷm ni'n eu cadw nhw i fynd ati? Rwy'n meddwl bod y cysylltiad yma rhwng twenty-first century schools yn un pwysig, achos mae'r arian ychwanegol yna ar gael iddyn nhw. Nawr, nid wyf i'n dweud fan hyn y bydd yr arian yna yn mynd tuag at ysgolion Cymraeg - rhaid inni fod yn really gofalus - ond mae'n rhaid inni sylweddoli, ac mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw sylweddoli, ein bod ni eisiau gweld eu bod nhw'n cymryd y system yma o ddifrif, ac rwy'n meddwl eu bod nhw yn dechrau gwneud hynny.
English: Okay. Just one final one: how many times are you going back to them to find out what they're up to? Does it depend on whether they're doing their work well?
Welsh: Ocê. Jest un olaf: sawl gwaith ydych chi'n mynd yn ôl at y cyngor i weld beth maen nhw'n ei wneud? Mae'n dibynnu os bydd yn gwneud ei stwff yn dda, ydy?
English: Well, we haven't passed a single WESP yet, so let's get the system up and running first before we say 'Right you haven't - '. One of the issues - and this is something that Aled Roberts has made clear - is that it makes sense to look at things over the longer term. So, we will have to keep an eye on the situation over a period of time. I hope that we will be looking at that within the timescale set out by Aled Roberts and what the board will recommend in the future.
Welsh: Wel, nid ydym ni wedi pasio unrhyw WESP eto, felly gadewch inni ddechrau ar y system gyntaf cyn ein bod ni'n dweud, 'Reit, nid ydych chi wedi - '. Un o'r issues - ac mae hyn yn rhywbeth y mae Aled Roberts wedi'i wneud yn glir - yw ei bod hi'n gwneud sens i edrych mewn ffordd mwy hirdymor. Felly, bydd yn rhaid inni gadw golwg ar y sefyllfa dros gyfnod o amser. Rwy'n gobeithio y byddwn ni'n edrych ar hynny o fewn beth mae Aled Roberts wedi'i ddweud a beth fydd y bwrdd yn ei argymell yn y dyfodol.
English: Thank you. Can I just ask one quick question on this? You mentioned on Radio Cymru that local authorities are looking at the possibility of not receiving funding to build new schools if they do not increase the provision of Welsh-medium education in their areas. Is that funding for Welsh-medium schools -
Welsh: Diolch. A allaf fi jest ofyn cwestiwn clou ar hwn? Fe wnaethoch chi ddweud ar Radio Cymru fod awdurdodau lleol yn wynebu'r posibilrwydd na fyddant yn derbyn cyllid i adeiladu ysgolion newydd os nad ydynt yn cynyddu addysg cyfrwng Cymraeg yn eu hardaloedd. Ai arian ar gyfer ysgol Cymraeg -
English: Just schools in general.
Welsh: Jest ysgolion yn gyffredinol.
English: Schools in general. So, no. We have to be clear that money is not necessarily for Welsh-medium schools, but we want to see what their strategy is for Welsh-medium schools before we - . There are schools in a worse condition - English-medium schools - than Welsh-medium schools. So, we do have to be careful there. I think that it would create a great furore if we said, 'Only Welsh-medium schools will have new schools.' No, we're not going in that direction at all. But the point is, 'There is a link; we want you to take this seriously.'
Welsh: Ysgolion yn gyffredinol. So, na. Mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn glir nad yw'r arian yna, o reidrwydd, ar gyfer ysgolion Cymraeg, ond rydym ni eisiau gweld beth yw eu strategaeth nhw ar gyfer ysgolion Cymraeg cyn ein bod ni - . Mae yna ysgolion sydd mewn stad waeth - sydd yn ysgolion Saesneg - nag ysgolion Cymraeg. Felly, mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn ofalus yna. Rydw i'n meddwl y byddai'n creu cynyrf mawr petaem ni'n dweud, 'Dim ond ysgolion Cymraeg fydd yn cael ysgolion newydd.' Na, nid ydym ni'n mynd i lawr y trywydd yna. Ond y pwynt yw, 'Mae yna gysylltiad; rydym ni eisiau i chi gymryd hyn o ddifrif.'
English: Just on that point, I don't quite understand, because there is an additional £30 million for the twenty-first century schools programme, and I was under the impression that that £30 million was for building new Welsh-medium schools.
Welsh: Jest ar y pwynt yna, nid ydw i'n cweit yn deall, achos mae yna £30 miliwn ychwanegol ar gyfer rhaglen ysgolion yr unfed ganrif ar hugain, ac roeddwn i o dan yr argraff bod y £30 miliwn yna ar gyfer codi ysgolion newydd Cymraeg.
English: There's a difference between the £30 million and the £2.3 billion. That £30 million has been ring-fenced, but the £2.3 billion - more or less - that is something separate.
Welsh: Mae yna wahaniaeth rhwng y £30 miliwn a'r £2.3 biliwn. Mae'r £30 miliwn yna wedi cael ei 'ring-fence-o', ond mae'r £2.3 biliwn - mwy neu lai - mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n wahanol.
English: Well, of course. So, the £30 million - . That's the additional money.
Welsh: Ie, wrth gwrs. So, mae'r £30 miliwn - . Hwnnw ydy'r arian ychwanegol.
English: That £30 million is additional funding and that is ring-fenced.
Welsh: Mae hwnnw'n ring-fenced, ac mae'n ychwanegol.