English: In contributing to this debate, can I just begin by thanking Dafydd and his working group for the work that they have done? This is not an easy pathway to follow, and to bring forward different interests, sometimes competing interests, but to get them onto the same page - and I think the Minister has said in her opening remarks that this is part of a journey, going forward. There will need to be further dialogue and consultation, and I welcome that. But I do want to thank Dafydd for the work he and his group have done, also the predecessor report, the so-called Marsden report as well, which was different, but covered some of the same ground. By the way, there is - people haven't mentioned it today, but there is some welcome stuff within this report that Dafydd and his working group have produced, and I'll turn to that in a moment. But I do want to thank this Assembly and the Government for having the courage to actually look at this. Before I remind people of why we need to look at this issue of governance and how we take this forward within Wales, eight years ago, I stood on a platform in the South Downs and we announced the opening of a national park, the South Downs National Park, the great unfinished business of the 1946 national parks Act. It was the one closest to the big urban population of London and Brighton and so on, and we never quite got round to it, but we did it. I spoke there as the mechanic behind the scenes about how we were doing the governance of it and the difficulties of bringing together local authorities and competing groups, and we'd managed to do it. I did all of this, and there was polite applause, and then Hilary Benn, the Secretary of State, got up and he spoke with joy and poetry about what the national parks were all about, and he wowed everybody. So, in beginning this, I'm just going to say - and it's interesting, this. This is from Iolo Morganwg, one of the great Glamorgan poets, in his 'Hymn to Health', when he was recovering from a serious and possibly terminal illness. It was his ode, if you like, the 'Hymn to Health', and he says, in a little extract: 'Through dewy dales and waving groves, / The vernal breeze unruffled roves. 'Delicious Health!' - I exclaim that, because it's got an exclamation mark after it - 'I range the vale, / And breathe once more thy balmy gale; / 'Scap'd from the wrathful fangs of pain, / I view, rejoic'd, thy skies again.' Well, he could have been anticipating the future generations and well-being Act, or the factories of well-being referred to in these reports, and the other, many, multiple public goods that we get from the natural environment and that both reports say - [Interruption.] Both reports actually say we need to do more to spread, in a social equity way, the benefits that come from these as well. Just in passing, one of the things I welcome in Dafydd's report, and its predecessor, is its recognition that this is not just to do with nationally designated landscapes. I get as much joy and as much health and physical well-being from standing on the Devil's Pulpit on the Bwlch mountain in Ogmore, looking down Ogmore valley, as I do from standing on Pen y Fan or Snowdon top. I have to say it. This report deals with that, and it talks about that working beyond boundaries - the importance of these national designated authorities working beyond their boundaries, not for there to be a line drawn artificially on the map and that's where the responsibilities lie, but how do we actually extend the benefits that come from all of our landscapes, right across all of our populations. It talks within Dafydd's report about innovations in resourcing. We need to be serious about this, because, despite the contribution just now, all our national parks and all our designated areas, right across the UK, have faced cuts, year after year. So, we need to have more innovations in resourcing. It talks about improving accountability and performance, about driving well-being and about wider sustainability and green growth. In answer to the query that was set a moment ago of, 'Why do we need to do this?', I refer you back to Professor Marsden's earlier report, where he says his panel had 'found that a fresh approach to the purposes and governance of Wales' designated landscapes is overduefor at least three reasons'. He addressed 'the scale and complexity of the environmental challenges' and he referred to climate change, as well as our loss of biodiversity, as different from what it was in the last century. He referred to how 'the relative spatial and social inequalities in well being, health, education and access to outdoor recreation demand far more from the designated landscapes' and others. It's not good enough, I'm sorry, to have certain types of people going in their cars and visiting our designated - and I say this as somebody who was born on the Gower, the first-ever AONB in the whole of Great Britain. It's not good enough to have only certain people visiting and getting the health and well-being benefits. They need to be available to everybody, and that means spreading this beyond those nationally designated areas. He finally says that 'these areas need to be the home of far more vibrant rural communities, where the young can be retained, trained and attracted by sustainable homes and jobs.' But I would say to the Minister, as others have done, it is worth, in the good parts that are within the report that's now come forward, to return and look at Marsden's report - not least recommendation 6, where it lays out three new statutory roles that would underpin, to do with conservation, human well-being and sustainable resource management. It says this should be the 'Sandford plus' approach. Have a look at that as we take this forward and debate this in dialogue, get the groups involved, continuing on the work that Dafydd and others have done, and let's get to a good place where everybody is signed up to a different way of governance within Wales.
Welsh: Wrth gyfrannu at y ddadl hon, a gaf i ddechrau drwy ddiolch i Dafydd a'i weithgor am y gwaith y maen nhw wedi ei wneud? Nid yw hwn yn llwybr hawdd ei ddilyn, ac i gyflwyno gwahanol fuddiannau, diddordebau weithiau'n cystadlu, ond i'w cael ar yr un dudalen - ac rwy'n credu bod y Gweinidog wedi dweud yn ei sylwadau agoriadol fod hyn yn rhan o daith, wrth symud ymlaen. Bydd angen trafod ac ymgynghori pellach, a chroesawaf hynny. Ond rwyf eisiau diolch i Dafydd am y gwaith y mae ef a'i grŵp wedi'i wneud, hefyd yr adroddiad rhagflaenydd, yr hyn a elwir yn adroddiad Marsden hefyd, a oedd yn wahanol, ond yn cwmpasu rhywfaint o'r un tir. Gyda llaw, mae - nid yw pobl wedi ei grybwyll heddiw, ond mae rhai pethau i'w croesawu yn yr adroddiad hwn y mae Dafydd a'i weithgor wedi'i gynhyrchu, a byddaf yn troi at hynny mewn munud. Ond rwyf eisiau diolch i'r Cynulliad hwn a'r Llywodraeth am fod yn ddigon dewr i edrych mewn gwirionedd ar hyn. Cyn i mi atgoffa pobl pam y mae angen i ni edrych ar y mater hwn o lywodraethu a sut yr ydym yn bwrw ymlaen â hyn o fewn Cymru, wyth mlynedd yn ôl, sefais ar lwyfan yn y South Downs a chyhoeddasom agor parc cenedlaethol, Parc Cenedlaethol y South Downs, busnes anorffenedig mawr Deddf parciau cenedlaethol 1946. Hwn oedd yr un agosaf at boblogaeth drefol fawr Llundain a Brighton ac yn y blaen, ac nid oedd hynny wedi cael ei wneud ar y pryd, ond fe wnaethom hynny. Siaradais yno fel y peiriannydd tu ôl i'r llenni am sut yr oeddem yn ei lywodraethu a'r anawsterau o ddod ag awdurdodau lleol a grwpiau a oedd yn cystadlu â'i gilydd ynghyd, ac fe lwyddwyd i wneud hynny. Fe wnes i hyn i gyd, a chafwyd cymeradwyaeth gwrtais, ac yna cododd Hilary Benn, yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol, ar ei draed a siaradodd gyda llawenydd a barddoniaeth am yr hyn yr oedd parciau cenedlaethol yn ei olygu, ac fe swynwyd pawb. Felly, wrth ddechrau hyn, rwy'n mynd i ddweud - ac mae'n ddiddorol, hyn. Mae hyn yn dod gan Iolo Morganwg, un o feirdd mawr Morgannwg, yn ei 'Emyn i Iechyd', pan oedd yn gwella o salwch difrifol ac o bosibl terfynol. Dyma ei awdl, os mynnwch, yr 'Emyn i Iechyd', ac meddai, mewn dyfyniad byr: 'Through dewy dales and waving groves, / The vernal breeze unruffled roves. 'Delicious Health!' - Rwy'n ebychu hynny, oherwydd bod ebychnod ar ei ôl - 'I range the vale, / And breathe once more thy balmy gale; / 'Scap'd from the wrathful fangs of pain, / I view, rejoic'd, thy skies again.' Wel, gallai fod wedi bod yn rhagweld Deddf llesiant cenedlaethau'r dyfodol, neu'r ffatrïoedd llesiant y cyfeirir atynt yn yr adroddiadau hyn, a'r llawer o nwyddau cyhoeddus lluosog eraill yr ydym yn eu cael gan yr amgylchedd naturiol ac y mae'r ddau adroddiad yn dweud - [Torri ar draws.] Mae'r ddau adroddiad mewn gwirionedd yn dweud bod angen i ni wneud mwy i ledaenu, mewn ffordd o degwch cymdeithasol, y buddion sy'n deillio o hyn hefyd. Dim ond wrth fynd heibio, un o'r pethau yr wyf yn ei groesawu yn adroddiad Dafydd, a'i ragflaenydd, yw ei gydnabyddiaeth nad yw hyn yn ymwneud yn unig â thirweddau a ddynodwyd yn genedlaethol. Rwy'n cael cymaint o lawenydd a chymaint o iechyd a lles corfforol o sefyll ar Bulpud y Diafol ar fynydd Bwlch yn Ogwr, yn edrych i lawr ar ddyffryn Ogwr, ag yr wyf o sefyll ar Ben y Fan neu gopa'r Wyddfa. Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud hynny. Mae'r adroddiad hwn yn ymdrin â hynny, ac mae'n sôn am hynny yn gweithio y tu hwnt i ffiniau - pwysigrwydd yr awdurdodau cenedlaethol dynodedig hyn yn gweithio y tu hwnt i'w ffiniau, nid ar gyfer cael llinell wedi'i thynnu'n artiffisial ar y map a dyna lle mae'r cyfrifoldebau yn gorwedd, ond sut yr ydym mewn gwirionedd yn ymestyn y manteision a ddaw o bob un o'n tirweddau, ar draws pob un o'n poblogaethau. Mae'n sôn yn adroddiad Dafydd am arloesi wrth ddarparu adnoddau. Mae angen i ni fod o ddifrif ynglŷn â hyn, oherwydd, er gwaethaf y cyfraniad yn awr, mae ein holl barciau cenedlaethol a'n holl ardaloedd dynodedig, ar draws y DU, wedi wynebu toriadau, flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn. Felly, mae angen i ni gael mwy o arloesi wrth ddarparu adnoddau. Mae'n sôn am wella atebolrwydd a pherfformiad, am sbarduno lles ac am gynaladwyedd ehangach a thwf gwyrdd. I ateb y cwestiwn a ofynnwyd funud yn ôl sef, 'Pam mae angen i ni wneud hyn?', cyfeiriaf chi yn ôl at adroddiad cynharach yr Athro Marsden, lle mae'n dweud fod ei banel wedi canfod bod ymagwedd newydd at ddibenion a llywodraethu tirweddau dynodedig Cymru yn hwyr am o leiaf dri rheswm. Rhoddodd sylw i maint a chymhlethdod yr heriau amgylcheddol a chyfeiriodd at y newid yn yr hinsawdd, yn ogystal â'n colled o ran bioamrywiaeth, yn wahanol i'r hyn yr oedd yn y ganrif ddiwethaf. Cyfeiriodd at sut y mae anghydraddoldebau gofodol a chymdeithasol cymharol mewn lles, iechyd, addysg a mynediad at hamdden awyr agored yn galw am lawer mwy gan y tirweddau dynodedig ac eraill. Nid yw'n ddigon da, mae'n ddrwg gen i, i gael rhai mathau o bobl yn mynd yn eu ceir ac yn ymweld â'n tirweddau dynodedig - ac rwy'n dweud hyn fel rhywun a gafodd ei eni ar Benrhyn Gŵyr, yr AHNE cyntaf erioed ym Mhrydain Fawr. Nid yw'n ddigon da i gael dim ond rhai pobl sy'n ymweld ac yn cael y manteision iechyd a lles. Mae angen iddyn nhw fod ar gael i bawb, ac mae hynny'n golygu lledaenu hyn y tu hwnt i'r ardaloedd dynodedig cenedlaethol hynny. Yn olaf mae'n dweud bod angen i'r ardaloedd hyn fod yn gartref i gymunedau gwledig llawer mwy bywiog, lle gall yr ifanc gael eu cadw, eu hyfforddi a'u denu gan gartrefi a swyddi cynaliadwy. Ond byddwn yn dweud wrth y Gweinidog, fel y mae eraill wedi gwneud, mae'n werth, yn y rhannau da sydd o fewn yr adroddiad sydd bellach wedi dod i law, dychwelyd ac edrych ar adroddiad Marsden - ac yn arbennig argymhelliad 6, lle mae'n nodi tair swyddogaeth statudol newydd a fyddai'n tanategu, yn ymwneud â chadwraeth, lles dynol a rheoli adnoddau mewn modd cynaliadwy. Mae'n dweud y dylai hyn fod yn ddull 'Sandford a mwy'. Edrychwch ar hynny wrth inni fwrw ymlaen a thrafod hyn mewn deialog, cynnwys y grwpiau, gan barhau â'r gwaith y mae Dafydd ac eraill wedi ei wneud, a gadewch i ni fynd i le da lle mae pawb wedi ei ymrwymo i ffordd wahanol o lywodraethu yng Nghymru.