techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: I thank Members for their comments, which I think fairly reflect the correspondence and the course of discussions that have taken place on this matter. As ever, we're left with a practical consideration. If we could have our ideal format, then we'd have a different arrangement in front of the Senedd, but we have to balance what I think are the clear benefits to the public and to patients from having an improved medical device information system right across the UK that we participate in as fully as possible. And I believe that we should move forward on the basis that we now have. It is, of course, possible that we may be able to do more, but as I've indicated in my correspondence, Northern Ireland and Scotland already gave consent before the memorandum of understanding was developed - that came directly from the conversations that I had with the UK Government. So, there has been progress. We are further forward along the road of effection than we were several months ago, and I believe that it is appropriate for the Senedd to give its consent and for us to not just engage in Government-to-Government engagement, but, as I've indicated in correspondence to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, this would allow reporting on a regular basis to the Parliament as well about the function of the new system, and I think that oversight from the parliamentary scrutiny side is just as important here as it is in any other Parliament within the United Kingdom. I ask Members to support the motion before us.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelodau am eu sylwadau, sydd, yn fy marn i, yn adlewyrchu'n deg yr ohebiaeth a'r trafodaethau sydd wedi'u cynnal ar y mater hwn. Fel arfer, mae gennym ystyriaeth ymarferol. Pe gallem gael ein fformat delfrydol, yna byddai gennym drefniant gwahanol o flaen y Senedd, ond mae'n rhaid i ni gydbwyso'r hyn sydd, yn fy marn i, yn fanteision amlwg i'r cyhoedd ac i gleifion o gael gwell system wybodaeth am ddyfeisiau meddygol ledled y DU yr ydym yn cymryd rhan ynddi mor llawn â phosibl. Ac rwy'n credu y dylem symud ymlaen ar y sail sydd gennym yn awr. Mae'n bosibl, wrth gwrs, y gallem wneud mwy, ond fel y dywedais yn fy ngohebiaeth, yr oedd Gogledd Iwerddon a'r Alban eisoes wedi rhoi eu cydsyniad cyn i'r memorandwm cyd-ddealltwriaeth gael ei ddatblygu - daeth hynny'n uniongyrchol o'r sgyrsiau a gefais gyda Llywodraeth y DU. Felly, mae cynnydd wedi bod. Rydym ymhellach ymlaen ar hyd y ffordd o weithredu nag yr oeddem ni rai misoedd yn ôl, ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn briodol i'r Senedd roi ei chydsyniad ac i ni nid yn unig gymryd rhan mewn ymgysylltu rhyng-lywodraethol, ond, fel y dywedais mewn gohebiaeth â'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon, byddai hyn yn caniatáu adrodd yn rheolaidd i'r Senedd yn ogystal â swyddogaeth y system newydd, ac rwy'n credu bod goruchwyliaeth o'r ochr graffu seneddol yr un mor bwysig yma ag ydyw mewn unrhyw Senedd arall o fewn y Deyrnas Unedig. Rwy'n gofyn i'r Aelodau gefnogi'r cynnig sydd ger ein bron.
English: Thank you very much. The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? I see no objections, therefore, the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Y cynnig yw ein bod yn derbyn y cynnig. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Nid wyf yn gweld unrhyw wrthwynebiadau, felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.
English: In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, I will suspend the meeting before we proceed to voting time. So, the meeting stands suspended.
Welsh: Yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.18, byddaf yn atal y cyfarfod cyn i ni symud ymlaen i'r cyfnod pleidleisio. Felly, mae'r cyfarfod wedi'i atal.
English: So, that brings us to voting time, and the first item is item 6, the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 5) (Wales) Regulations 2020, and I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 45, three abstentions and three against, and therefore the motion is agreed.
Welsh: Dyma ni'n cyrraedd y cyfnod pleidleisio, felly, a'r eitem gyntaf i bleidleisio arni yw eitem 6, sef Rheoliadau Diogelu Iechyd (Cyfyngiadau Coronafeirws) (Rhif 5) (Cymru) 2020, a dwi'n galw am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Rebecca Evans. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 45, tri yn ymatal, tri yn erbyn, ac felly mae'r cynnig yna wedi'i gymeradwyo.
English: The next vote is on item 7, the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 5) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2020, and I call for a vote on the motion under item 7 that was tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 46, three abstentions and three against, and therefore that motion is agreed.
Welsh: Eitem 7 yw'r bleidlais nesaf. Eitem 7 yw Rheoliadau Diogelu Iechyd (Cyfyngiadau Coronafeirws) (Rhif 5) (Cymru) (Diwygio) 2020, a dwi'n galw am bleidlais ar y cynnig yma o dan eitem 7 a gyflwynwyd yn enw Rebecca Evans. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 46, tri yn ymatal, tri yn erbyn, ac felly mae eitem 7 a'r cynnig hwnnw wedi'i gymeradwyo.
English: Item 8 is next, the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 5) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2020, and I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 46, three abstentions and three against, and therefore the motion is agreed.
Welsh: Eitem 8 yw'r bleidlais nesaf. Y Rheoliadau Diogelu Iechyd (Cyfyngiadau Coronafeirws) (Rhif 5) (Cymru) (Diwygio) (Rhif 2) 2020 yw'r rhain, a dwi'n galw am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Rebecca Evans. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 46, tri yn ymatal, tri yn erbyn, ac felly mae eitem 8 a'r cynnig hwnnw wedi'i gymeradwyo.
English: Item 11 is our next vote on the legislative consent motion on the Trade Bill, and I call for a vote on the motion tabled in the name of Jeremy Miles. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 43, no abstentions and nine against, and therefore the motion is agreed.
Welsh: Eitem 11 yw'r bleidlais nesaf, a hynny ar y cynnig cydsyniad deddfwriaethol ar y Bil Masnach. Dwi'n galw am bleidlais ar y cynnig a gyflwynwyd yn enw Jeremy Miles. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 43, neb yn ymatal, naw yn erbyn, ac felly mae'r cynnig yna wedi'i gymeradwyo.
English: And that concludes voting time and our work for the day. Thank you all very much.
Welsh: A dyna ni'n gorffen y cyfnod pleidleisio a gorffen ein gwaith am y dydd. Diolch yn fawr i chi i gyd. Pob hwyl.
English: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Senedd Finance Committee. Apologies for us being rather late starting, but that's for technical reasons. In accordance with Standing Order 34.19, I've determined that the public are excluded from the committee's meeting in order to protect public health. In accordance with Standing Order 34.21, notice of this decision was included in the agenda for this meeting. This meeting is being broadcast live on Senedd.tv, and the Record of Proceedings will be published as usual. Aside from the procedural adaptation relating to conducting proceedings remotely, all other Standing Order requirements for committees remain in place. Could I ask, therefore, whether Members have any interests to declare? No. Fine. And could I also note for the record that if, for any reason, I lose connection, the committee has previously agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 17.22, that Siân Gwenllian will temporarily chair while I try to rejoin?
Welsh: Bore da i bawb, a chroeso i gyfarfod Pwyllgor Cyllid Senedd Cymru. Ymddiheuriadau ein bod ni ychydig yn hwyr yn cychwyn, ond mae hynny am resymau technegol. Felly, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 34.19, dwi wedi penderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o gyfarfod y pwyllgor er mwyn diogelu iechyd y cyhoedd. Yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 34.21, cafodd rhybudd o'r penderfyniad hwn ei nodi yn yr agenda ar gyfer y cyfarfod. Mae'r cyfarfod hwn yn cael ei ddarlledu'n fyw ar Senedd.tv, a bydd Cofnod o'r Trafodion yn cael ei gyhoeddi yn ôl yr arfer. Ac ar wahân i'r addasiad gweithdrefnol sy'n ymwneud â chynnal trafodion o bell, mae holl ofynion eraill y Rheolau Sefydlog ar gyfer pwyllgorau yn parhau. Gaf i ofyn, felly, ar y cychwyn, oes gan Aelod unrhyw fuddiannau i'w datgan? Nac oes. Iawn. Gaf i hefyd nodi, er gwybodaeth, os byddaf i'n colli cysylltiad am unrhyw reswm gyda'r cyfarfod, fod y pwyllgor wedi cytuno'n flaenorol, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.22, mai Siân Gwenllian fydd yn cadeirio dros dro wrth i mi geisio ailymuno?
English: We move on, therefore, to the second item on the agenda, which is scrutiny of the Welsh Government's draft budget for 2021-22. It's my pleasure to introduce the witnesses for the first session this morning, namely Richard Hughes, chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility, and he's joining us, of course, for the first time in his role as chair of the OBR. And joining him is Andy King who is a member of the budget responsibility committee, again in the OBR, and Andy has joined us before, so welcome back to you, Andy. Welcome to both of you. We'll go straight into questions, if that's okay, and I'll start by asking whether the timing of the UK spending review in November presented any challenges to you in preparing your analysis of the Welsh tax forecasts?
Welsh: Ymlaen â ni, felly, at yr ail eitem ar yr agenda, sef i graffu ar gyllideb ddrafft Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer 2021-22. Mae'n bleser gen i gyflwyno ein tystion ni ar gyfer y sesiwn gyntaf yma y bore yma, sef Richard Hughes, cadeirydd y Swyddfa Cyfrifoldeb Cyllidebol; ac mae Richard yn ymuno â ni, wrth gwrs, am y tro cyntaf yn rhinwedd ei rôl fel cadeirydd, felly croeso cynnes atom ni, Richard. Ac yn ymuno gydag ef hefyd mae Andy King, sy'n aelod o'r pwyllgor cyfrifoldeb cyllidebol, eto yn y Swyddfa Cyfrifoldeb Cyllidebol, ac mae Andy wedi bod gyda ni o'r blaen, felly croeso'n ôl dylen i ddweud wrth Andy. Croeso i'r ddau ohonoch chi. Mi awn ni'n syth i gwestiynau, os ydy hynny'n iawn gyda chi, ac fe wnaf i gychwyn drwy ofyn a wnaeth amseru adolygiad gwariant y Deyrnas Unedig ym mis Tachwedd gyflwyno unrhyw heriau penodol i chi wrth i chi baratoi'ch dadansoddiad o ragolwg trethi Cymru?
English: So, we've been talking about the impact of the pandemic on the modelling and the problems of that, but we haven't talked about Brexit also perhaps having the same kind of impact in terms of the fact that it's very difficult to forecast exactly what's going to happen. Given that your forecasts were made before the trade deal was agreed, could you explain how that trade deal has affected those forecasts?
Welsh: Felly, rydyn ni wedi bod yn sôn am effaith y pandemig ar y modelu a'r problemau hynny, ond dydyn ni ddim wedi sôn am Brexit hefyd, efallai, yn cael yr un un effaith o ran ei bod hi'n anodd iawn i ragweld yn union beth sy'n mynd i ddigwydd. Ac o ystyried bod eich rhagolygon chi wedi cael eu gwneud cyn cytuno ar y cytundeb masnach, fedrwch chi egluro sut mae'r cytundeb wedi effeithio ar y rhagolygon yma?
English: Thank you. Turning to another area, what are the reasons why you forecast that receipts for the Welsh rates of income tax will be £196 million a year lower on average between 2020-21 and 2024-25, compared with your forecasts in March?
Welsh: Diolch. Troi at faes arall, beth ydy'r rhesymau pam rydych chi'n rhagweld y bydd derbyniadau cyfraddau treth incwm Cymru £196 miliwn y flwyddyn yn is ar gyfartaledd rhwng 2020-21 a 2024-25, o gymharu efo'ch rhagolygon chi ym mis Mawrth?
English: Welcome back to this meeting of the Senedd Finance Committee. We move on to the third item on the agenda, which is to continue to scrutinise the Welsh Government's draft budget for next year. Joining us for this session is Jon Rae, who is director of resources for the Welsh Local Government Association; Dilwyn Williams, who is the chief executive with Gwynedd Council; and Darren Hughes, who is the director of the Welsh NHS Confederation. Welcome to the three of you. We'll go straight into questions, if that's okay. I'll start. The Welsh Government says that the continued investment in the NHS and public services is at the centre of its plans for this budget. Is this clear in your opinion from the draft budget allocations? I apologise for the sound interference there. Who wants to start? Jon.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i gyfarfod Pwyllgor Cyllid Senedd Cymru. Rydyn ni'n symud ymlaen at y trydydd eitem ar ein hagenda ni, sef i barhau i graffu ar gyllideb ddrafft Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer y flwyddyn nesaf. Yn ymuno â ni ar gyfer y sesiwn yma mae Jon Rae, sy'n gyfarwyddwr adnoddau gyda Chymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru; Dilwyn Williams, prif weithredwr Cyngor Gwynedd; a Darren Hughes, cyfarwyddwr Conffederasiwn GIG Cymru. Croeso i'r tri ohonoch chi. Fe awn ni yn syth i gwestiynau, os ydy hynny'n iawn. Gwnaf i gychwyn. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n dweud bod buddsoddiad parhaus yn y gwasanaeth iechyd ac mewn gwasanaethau cyhoeddus wrth wraidd ei chynlluniau a'r gyllideb yma. Ydy hynny yn glir yn eich barn chi o'r dyraniadau yn y gyllideb ddrafft? Ymddiheuriadau am y sŵn yn y cefndir. Pwy sydd eisiau cychwyn?
English: I was going to ask Darren to respond for the NHS, but he's disappeared from my screen. I don't know whether you want to add something, Dilwyn.
Welsh: Roeddwn i'n mynd i ofyn i Darren am ymateb o safbwynt y gwasanaeth iechyd, ond mae e wedi diflannu oddi ar fy sgrin i, felly Dilwyn, dwi ddim yn gwybod os ŷch chi eisiau ychwanegu rhywbeth.
English: Just to echo what Jon said, to an extent. The settlement of 3.8 per cent is welcomed, but that is in the context of a decade of having very low settlements, so our hopes weren't high at the outset. When you look at the detail of this, a settlement of 3.8 per cent will allow - well, it's 3.4 per cent in Gwynedd, but there's an understanding of why that is - it will allow us to meet the inflation that we're expecting, but it won't allow us to meet the additional pressures that we face in terms of social care, childcare, and education, so that will have to fall on the council tax. That will be the equation. While the grant increase will allow us to meet the additional costs, any further requirements will have to fall on council tax, and that's something that members will have to weigh up in considering the budget.
Welsh: Jest i ategu yr hyn mae Jon wedi ei ddweud, i ryw raddau. Mae setliad o 3.8 y cant yn cael ei groesawu, ond mae'n debyg bod hyn yng nghyd-destun degawd o fod yn cael setliadau isel iawn, felly dydy'n gobeithion ni i gychwyn ddim yn uchel. Pan mae rhywun yn dod i fanylder y peth, mi fydd setliad o 3.8 y cant yn caniatáu - wel, 3.4 ydy o yng Ngwynedd, ond mae yna ddealltwriaeth pam mae hynny - ond mi fydd yn caniatáu i ni gwrdd â'r chwyddiant rydyn ni'n ei wynebu, ond fydd o ddim yn caniatáu i ni gwrdd â'r pwysau ychwanegol rydyn ni'n ei wynebu o ran gofal cymdeithasol, gofal plant, addysg, ac felly bydd rhaid i hwnnw syrthio ar y dreth gyngor, a dyna fydd yr hafaliad, mewn gwirionedd. Tra bydd y cynnydd grant yn caniatáu i ni gwrdd â'r costau ychwanegol, bydd unrhyw ofynion pellach o ran mwy o blant eisiau gofal ac yn y blaen yn gorfod syrthio ar y dreth gyngor, ac mi fydd honna'n hafaliad y bydd rhaid i'r aelodau bwyso a mesur wrth ystyried y gyllideb.
English: Yes, and we'll come on to those specific issues in a minute. I have seen the response to the press release; I think every Member's seen that. Of course, even though you do welcome the settlement, you did note that you were eager to see a funding floor. Could you explain the reason for that, given the overall increase in the level of the settlement? Jon?
Welsh: Ie, a down ni ymlaen i bethau mwy penodol fel yna, dwi'n siŵr, mewn munud. Dwi wedi gweld yr ymateb, y datganiad i'r wasg; dwi'n meddwl bod pob Aelod wedi derbyn hwnnw. Wrth gwrs, roeddech chi, er eich bod chi'n croesawu'r setliad, wedi nodi hefyd eich bod chi'n awyddus i weld cyllid gwaelodol - y funding floor yma. Allwch chi egluro'r rheswm am hynny o ystyried y cynnydd yn lefel y cyllid cyffredinol sydd yn y setliad? Jon?
English: As somebody who knows a lot about the formula, I don't think the formula's perfect. We shouldn't try and say that it is, but it's the best thing we have at present, and the DSG, the body that we sit on, is trying to see whether there is a better approach to creating an allocation formula for local government. But this year, one of the reasons we've seen authorities far from the centre is that in one of the data sets in the formula, the population set, if I remember rightly, we found that there was a weakness in the past. That was corrected, and it means that there are two authorities at the bottom. Now, we are having an increase of 3.4 per cent next year. I think we're nineteenth in the league. We can cope with that, but if we were Ceredigion, 2 per cent, that would mean that I would have a funding gap in Gwynedd of £2.6 million in addition to find, and that would equate to a 4 per cent increase in council tax, and that's on top of the council tax we've already raised. So, for somewhere like Ceredigion, that's just at the bottom, it does create a problem that is almost impossible to deal with, given that we've been through 10 years of austerity and so forth. So, I think that this year's position, if anything, is slightly worse because of this problem with the data set that is used, and has been corrected. It creates this situation, so it's likely that the argument for a floor is stronger than it would usually have been.
Welsh: Fel rhywun sydd yn gwybod tipyn am y fformiwla, dwi'n meddwl dydy'r fformiwla ddim yn berffaith, a waeth i ni heb â thrio herio ei fod o, ond mae o'r gorau sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd, ac mae'r DSG, y corff rydyn ni'n eistedd arno, yn trio edrych i weld a oes yna ddull gwell o greu fformiwla dyrannu llywodraeth leol. Ond eleni, un o'r rhesymau rydyn ni wedi gweld awdurdodau yn bell wrth y canol ydy mi oedd un o'r data sets yn y fformiwla, sef yr un poblogaeth, os dwi'n cofio yn iawn, mi ddarganfuwyd bod yna wendid ynddo fo yn y gorffennol ac fe'i gywirwyd o, ac mae hynna'n golygu bod yna ddau awdurdod ar y gwaelod. Rŵan, rydyn ni'n cael cynnydd o 3.4 y cant y flwyddyn nesaf, so rydyn ni'n tuag at y diwedd - dwi'n meddwl mai ni ydy'r pedwerydd ar bymtheg yn y gynghrair. Ocê, iawn, fedrwn ni ddygymod efo hynna. Petasem ni'n Ceredigion, sydd â 2 y cant, buasai hynny'n golygu y buasai gen i fwlch cyllidol yng Ngwynedd o £2.6 miliwn ychwanegol i'w ddarganfod, a buasai hwnna'n gyfystyr i bron i 4 y cant ar ein treth cyngor ni. Wel, mae hynna ar ben y dreth cyngor rydyn ni'n dueddol o godi beth bynnag. So, i rywun fath â Cheredigion, sydd reit ar y gwaelod, yn amlwg, os nad oes yna lawr, mae o'n creu problem bron amhosib iddyn nhw ddygymod efo o, o gofio rydyn ni wedi bod trwy 10 mlynedd o gyni ariannol, ac yn y blaen. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod sefyllfa eleni, os rhywbeth, dipyn bach gwaeth oherwydd y broblem yma efo'r data sets yn cael eu defnyddio ac wedi cael eu cywiro, ac felly'n creu'r sefyllfa yma. Felly, mae'n debyg bod y ddadl dros lawr yn fwy cryf nag y buasai fo fel arfer, efallai.
English: Okay, thank you very much. Mike and Nick have asked for supplementaries, so I'll take the questions together and then you can respond to them, just for us to try and stick to our focus on this. So, Mike first.
Welsh: Ocê, diolch. Mae Mike a Nick wedi gofyn am gwestiynau atodol. Felly, gwnaf i gymryd y cwestiynau gyda'i gilydd, ac wedyn cewch chi ymateb iddyn nhw, jest er mwyn i ni drio cadw'r ffocws a bod yn weddol gryno. Felly, Mike yn gyntaf.
English: Thank you very much. We'll move on, therefore, to Alun Davies.
Welsh: Ocê, diolch yn fawr. Awn ni ymlaen, felly, at Alun Davies.
English: I would agree. In practice, we're in a situation where generally the Government is compensating us for additional costs, certainly, every time. The situation with income is more complicated, because we have to prove that we've lost that income, and so there is a process ongoing on that. It's likely that the problem isn't so much with the Government compensating us. That seems to be working well. The problem is with other things that we can't do, such as finding savings and so forth, because we're concentrating so much on COVID.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n cytuno. Yn ymarferol, rydym ni mewn sefyllfa lle, yn gyffredinol, mae'r Llywodraeth yn ein digolledu ni am gostau ychwanegol, yn sicr, bob tro. Mae'r sefyllfa efo incwm bach mwy dyrys, oherwydd rydym ni'n gorfod profi ein bod ni wedi colli'r incwm, ac felly mae yna broses yn mynd ymlaen ar hynny. Mae'n debyg y broblem ydy nid gymaint efo'r Llywodraeth yn ein digolledu ni. Mae hwnnw i weld yn gweithio'n dda. Ein problem ni ydy efo pethau eraill dydyn ni ddim yn gallu eu gwneud, fath â ffeindio arbedion ac yn y blaen, achos rydym ni'n ' concentrate -io' cymaint ar y COVID ac yn y blaen.
English: Do you want me to answer that one?
Welsh: Ydych chi eisiau i fi ateb hwnnw?
English: Yes, Dilwyn.
Welsh: Ie, Dilwyn.
English: Thank you very much. I was going to come to Mark next because Darren had reappeared on our screens, in terms of the Welsh NHS Confederation, but he's disappeared again. So, Mark, I don't whether you have any specific questions that you wish to ask the WLGA representatives.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Roeddwn i'n mynd i ddod at Mark nesaf, oherwydd mi oedd Darren wedi ailymddangos ar fy sgrin i, o safbwynt Conffederasiwn Gwasanaeth Iechyd Gwladol Cymru, ond mae e wedi diflannu unwaith eto. Felly, Mark, dwi ddim yn gwybod os oes yna unrhyw gwestiynau penodol rydych chi eisiau eu gofyn i'r cynrychiolwyr o awdurdodau lleol sydd gennym ni.
English: Yes. Dilwyn, could you give us an idea of how it looks on the ground?
Welsh: Ie. Dilwyn, allwch chi roi syniad i ni o beth mae hynna'n edrych fel ar lawr gwlad?