English: Can I say, firstly, that I think your representation of the interim report and the work up to that stage is, indeed, a misrepresentation? Because what they have done is put forward a whole series of evidence sessions. Again, you're right in terms of the online consultation, and, to be honest, that's the same with just about every online consultation that takes place, that you have a large number of people with a predetermined position, and they've been absolutely honest about that. They said that straight upfront, but they've also said that that isn't the basis of the consultation, that the whole purpose of producing the interim report was to provide a framework on core options - and you've seen the three options that they've identified - on which they're now going through a much more detailed and grass-roots engagement process. So, I think it is unfair to criticise engagement when that engagement is actually taking place on the basis of the interim report. I understand the position that you have, and I understand, within this Chamber, that when positions are put forward, sometimes they're positions that are overexaggerated for party political reasons and so on. What I do hope is that you do, deep down, recognise that there is now a very serious engagement process that is under way with the commission, that the Welsh Government is not directing or controlling that, that it is a genuine independent commission, and you are free to ensure that your views on all the specific points they are looking at are answered and you give evidence. I hope you will follow the exemplary example of Darren Millar, the former Secretary of State for Wales Simon Hart, and UK Government Ministers who have chosen to give that evidence, as, indeed, I understand, has Gordon Brown as well. I think your views are just as valid, and I now look forward to perhaps reading the evidence that you yourself submit in terms of your views in terms of the various points that are being made in the consultation that is under way.
Welsh: Yn gyntaf, a gaf i ddweud fy mod i'n meddwl bod eich cynrychiolaeth chi o'r adroddiad interim a'r gwaith hyd at y cam hwnnw, yn wir, yn gamgyflead? Oherwydd yr hyn a wnaed yw cyflwyno cyfres gyfan o sesiynau tystiolaeth. Unwaith eto, rydych chi'n iawn o ran yr ymgynghoriad ar-lein, ac, i fod yn onest, mae hynny'r un peth gyda phob ymgynghoriad ar-lein sy'n digwydd, bod gennych nifer mawr o bobl sydd â safbwynt rhagderfynedig, ac maen nhw wedi bod yn gwbl onest am hynny. Dywedwyd hynny'n syth ymlaen llaw, ond dywedwyd hefyd nad yw hynny'n sail i'r ymgynghoriad, mai holl bwrpas cynhyrchu'r adroddiad interim oedd darparu fframwaith ar opsiynau craidd - ac rydych wedi gweld y tri opsiwn a nodwyd - y maen nhw bellach yn mynd drwy broses ymgysylltu llawer mwy manwl ac ar lawr gwlad. Felly, rwy'n credu ei bod yn annheg beirniadu gweithgarwch ymgysylltu pan fo'r gweithgarwch ymgysylltu hwnnw yn digwydd ar sail yr adroddiad interim mewn gwirionedd. Rwy'n deall eich safbwynt, ac rwy'n deall, o fewn y Siambr hon, pan fydd safbwyntiau'n cael eu cyflwyno, weithiau maen nhw'n safbwyntiau sy'n cael eu gor-ddweud am resymau gwleidyddol pleidiau ac yn y blaen. Yr hyn rwyf yn ei obeithio yw eich bod chi, yn y bôn, yn cydnabod bod proses ymgysylltu difrifol iawn bellach ar y gweill gyda'r comisiwn, nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn cyfarwyddo nac yn rheoli hynny, ei fod yn gomisiwn annibynnol go iawn, ac rydych yn rhydd i sicrhau bod eich barn ar yr holl bwyntiau penodol a ystyrir yn cael eu hateb a'ch bod yn rhoi tystiolaeth. Gobeithio y byddwch yn dilyn esiampl enghreifftiol Darren Millar, cyn Ysgrifennydd Gwladol Cymru Simon Hart, a Gweinidogion Llywodraeth y DU sydd wedi dewis rhoi'r dystiolaeth honno, fel yn wir y deallaf y mae Gordon Brown wedi'i wneud hefyd. Rwy'n credu bod eich barn yr un mor ddilys, ac rwy'n edrych ymlaen nawr at ddarllen y dystiolaeth rydych chi eich hun yn ei chyflwyno o ran eich barn o ran y gwahanol bwyntiau sy'n cael eu gwneud yn yr ymgynghoriad sy'n mynd rhagddi.