English: On your last point, there will of course be a need for training across the services and the system to make sure that people are used to the new system we're looking to introduce, and to be properly ready for it to deliver the benefit we want for both staff and people. On your point about vice-chairs, I thought I heard you say that you wanted assurance that vice-chairs won't be political appointments but will be clinical appointments. Vice-chairs are not political appointments; they go through a proper public appointments process already, and that will be the same for NHS trust vice-chairs. And they are not clinical appointments either; there's a governance and leadership role that vice-chairs undertake, and we're looking to regularise that with health boards, as opposed to adding additional responsibilities on to current trust vice-chairs. That isn't a satisfactory way to move forward and, actually, there's been widespread support for wanting to do that. On your point about service change: community health councils themselves and the national board of community health councils didn't argue for the retention of a power to refer in service change proposals. They're actually interested in the point about continuous engagement, to make sure this isn't suddenly something that is sprung on people with a few weeks' notice, but there is much deeper and broader engagement, through time, as proposals are developed. Because our health service and our social care system can't stand still; there has to be a constant evolution and reform that must take place. I'm expecting to revise the guidance on the service change, and I would still expect consultation and engagement with the new citizen voice body around service change proposals, and I hope that in revising that guidance we can reiterate that and make that clear, and I expect that I'll be asked a similar question through committee scrutiny, so I'll be happy to reiterate that broader point. And just to go back again - the new citizen voice body is not going to be an inspectorate. Community health councils aren't looking to be an alternative to the inspectorate function. It's how we make sure that the voice of the citizen is properly given a platform, and how people are given support as part of that in terms of advocacy across our health and social care system, but it is more than advocacy. And in the Bill, you'll see duties where the citizen voice body requests information from a health or social care provider, then a reasonable request must be responded to by whoever the provider is across social care or health. So, there are powers in the Bill to ensure that the new body can undertake its functions, because I am genuinely looking at reform not annihilation. I really do hope, as we go through this Bill, that Members, again, will look at what is being proposed and not simply default into, 'This must be a bad thing, and let's fight it tooth and nail', because, actually, we can't simply extend out the powers of community health councils. We do need to have a proper body across health and social care. We should take the opportunity to make sure it has a proper independent footing to allow it to do its job. But I would gently say to the Member that in describing the current activities of community health councils in different parts of Wales, I don't know of a single one of them that would be happy to be described as a rubber stamp for the local health board. There are different relationships, and when they come to give evidence, I'd ask the Member to think again about - I think I understand some of the point she's trying to make - the manner in which that is actually done.
Welsh: O ran eich sylw olaf, wrth gwrs bydd angen hyfforddiant ar gyfer yr holl wasanaethau a'r system i gyd i sicrhau bod pobl yn gyfarwydd â'r system newydd yr ydym ni'n bwriadu ei chyflwyno, ac i fod yn gwbl barod ar ei chyfer er mwyn sicrhau'r budd yr ydym ni'n ei ddymuno i staff a phobl fel ei gilydd. O ran eich sylw am is-gadeiryddion, credais imi eich clywed yn dweud eich bod eisiau sicrwydd na fydd is-gadeiryddion yn benodiadau gwleidyddol ond y byddant yn benodiadau clinigol. Nid yw is-gadeiryddion yn benodiadau gwleidyddol; maen nhw'n mynd drwy broses briodol o benodiadau cyhoeddus eisoes, a bydd hynny'r un fath ar gyfer is-gadeiryddion ymddiriedolaethau GIG. Ac nid penodiadau clinigol mohonyn nhw chwaith; mae gan is-gadeiryddion swyddogaeth o ran llywodraethu ac arwain, ac rydym ni'n awyddus i reoleiddio hynny gyda'r byrddau iechyd, yn hytrach na rhoi cyfrifoldebau ychwanegol i is-gadeiryddion presennol yr ymddiriedolaethau. Nid yw hynny'n ffordd foddhaol o fwrw ymlaen ac, mewn gwirionedd, mae cefnogaeth eang dros ddymuno gwneud hynny. O ran eich sylw ynglŷn â newid gwasanaethau: nid oedd y cynghorau iechyd cymuned eu hunain a'r bwrdd cenedlaethol o gynghorau iechyd cymuned yn dadlau dros gadw pŵer i gyfeirio mewn cynigion i newid gwasanaethau. Mewn gwirionedd mae ganddyn nhw ddiddordeb mewn cymryd rhan yn yr agwedd am ymgysylltu parhaus, er mwyn gwneud yn siŵr nad yw hyn yn rhywbeth sydyn sy'n cael ei roi i bobl ag ychydig wythnosau o rybudd, ond y ceir ymgysylltu llawer mwy trylwyr ac eang, dros amser, wrth i gynigion gael eu datblygu. Oherwydd nid yw ein gwasanaeth iechyd a'n system gofal cymdeithasol yn gallu sefyll yn eu hunfan; rhaid cael esblygiad a diwygio cyson. Rwy'n disgwyl diwygio'r canllawiau ar y newid yn y gwasanaeth, a byddwn yn dal i ddisgwyl y bydd ymgynghori ac ymgysylltu â'r corff newydd fydd yn llais i'r dinesydd yn ymwneud â chynigion o ran newid gwasanaethau, a gobeithiaf y gallwn ni, wrth ddiwygio'r canllawiau hynny, ailadrodd hynny a gwneud hynny'n glir, ac rwy'n disgwyl y bydd cwestiwn tebyg yn cael ei ofyn drwy waith craffu'r pwyllgor, felly byddaf yn falch o ailadrodd y pwynt ehangach hwnnw. Ac i ddychwelyd eto - nid arolygiaeth fydd y corff newydd fydd yn llais i'r dinesydd. Nid oes gan gynghorau iechyd cymuned unrhyw fwriad i fod yn ddewis amgen i swyddogaeth yr arolygiaeth. Dyma sut yr ydym ni'n gwneud yn siŵr bod llais y dinesydd yn cael gwrandawiad priodol, a sut y rhoddir cymorth i bobl yn rhan o hynny o ran eiriolaeth ym mhob agwedd ar ein system iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol, ond mae'n fwy nag eiriolaeth. Ac yn y Bil, byddwch yn gweld dyletswyddau lle mae'r corff llais y dinesydd yn gofyn am wybodaeth gan ddarparwr iechyd neu ofal cymdeithasol, yna rhaid i bwy bynnag yw'r darparwr, ym mha bynnag faes iechyd neu ofal cymdeithasol, ymateb i gais rhesymol. Felly, mae pwerau yn y Bil i sicrhau bod y corff newydd yn gallu cyflawni ei swyddogaethau, oherwydd rwy'n wirioneddol edrych ar ddiwygio nid distrywio. Rwy'n wirioneddol obeithio, wrth inni fynd drwy'r Bil hwn, y bydd Aelodau, unwaith eto, yn edrych ar yr hyn sy'n cael ei gynnig ac nid yn rhagdybio, 'mae'n rhaid bod hyn yn beth drwg, a gadewch inni frwydro nerth deng ewin', oherwydd, mewn gwirionedd, ni allwn ni ymestyn pwerau cynghorau iechyd cymuned. Mae angen inni gael corff priodol ar gyfer iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol yn ei gyfanrwydd. Dylem fanteisio ar y cyfle i sicrhau bod ganddo sail annibynnol iawn i'w alluogi i wneud ei waith. Ond hoffwn ddweud wrth yr Aelod, wrth ddisgrifio gweithgareddau presennol y cynghorau iechyd cymuned mewn gwahanol rannau o Gymru, nad wyf yn gwybod am un ohonyn nhw a fyddai'n fodlon cael ei ddisgrifio fel cyfrwng i roi sêl bendith i'r bwrdd iechyd lleol. Mae gwahanol berthnasoedd, a phan ddônt i roi tystiolaeth, byddwn yn gofyn i'r aelod ailfeddwl am - credaf fy mod yn deall rhywfaint o'r pwynt y mae hi'n ceisio ei wneud - y modd y gwneir hynny mewn gwirionedd.