English: Well, I have to say, I find it extraordinary to be accused, as a progressive politician - and all of us are on these benches - that we are choosing not to address child poverty. That is a profoundly - [ Interruption.] - a profoundly unfair allegation to make, but that is the allegation that she has made. I have to say, the suggestion that this is entirely within the hands of Welsh Government is simply fallacious. We know the UK Government has substantial levers in terms of welfare, in terms of the benefits system, in terms of employment law, in terms of the setting of the real living wage. Yes, we can do it, in terms of the reach that we have to the public sector and to the third sector, to an extent, but not to the private sector. What she is doing is absolving the UK Government of its responsibility, and that's where responsibility must lie. Now, it's one thing to say, 'Let's administer benefits', but there are two problems with that. First of all, the Scots are spending money on bureaucracy - on bureaucracy. They are actually spending money on administration that could be going to recipients. That is clearly an issue that we have had to consider. Secondly, administering the benefits system is no good if you can't control the flow of money; you just get the blame, in those circumstances. People will then say, 'Well, you're the ones administering the benefits system; why don't you put more money into it, why don't you do this, why don't you do that?' when, actually, you can't. So, I've always been very, very reluctant to take on board the administration of something when I think it's a trap set by the UK Government.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, rwy'n ei chael hi'n rhyfeddol fy mod yn cael fy nghyhuddo, fel gwleidydd blaengar - ac mae pob un ohonom ni ar y meinciau hyn - ein bod ni'n dewis peidio â mynd i'r afael â thlodi plant. Mae hwnnw'n honiad - [ Torri ar draws.] - honiad hynod annheg i'w wneud, ond dyna'r honiad y mae hi wedi ei wneud. Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, mae'r awgrym bod hyn yn llwyr yn nwylo Llywodraeth Cymru yn gwbl anghywir. Rydym ni'n gwybod bod gan Lywodraeth y DU ysgogwyr sylweddol o ran lles, o ran y system budd-daliadau, o ran cyfraith gyflogaeth, o ran pennu'r cyflog byw gwirioneddol. Gallwn, mi allwn ei wneud, o ran y cyrhaeddiad sydd gennym ni at y sector cyhoeddus ac at y trydydd sector, i raddau, ond nid at y sector preifat. Yr hyn y mae hi'n ei wneud yw rhyddhau Llywodraeth y DU o'i chyfrifoldeb, a dyna lle mae'n rhaid i'r cyfrifoldeb fod. Nawr, un peth yw dweud, 'Gadewch i ni weinyddu budd-daliadau', ond mae dwy broblem yn ymwneud â hynny. Yn gyntaf oll, mae'r Albanwyr yn gwario arian ar fiwrocratiaeth - ar fiwrocratiaeth. Maen nhw'n gwario arian mewn gwirionedd ar weinyddu a allai fod yn mynd i dderbynwyr. Mae hynny'n amlwg yn fater y bu'n rhaid i ni ei ystyried. Yn ail, nid yw gweinyddu'r system budd-daliadau yn dda i ddim os na allwch chi reoli'r llif arian; y cwbl yr ydych chi'n ei gael yw'r bai, o dan yr amgylchiadau hynny. Bydd pobl yn dweud wedyn, 'Wel, chi yw'r rhai sy'n gweinyddu'r system budd-daliadau; pam na wnewch chi roi mwy o arian ynddi, pam na wnewch chi hyn, pam na wnewch chi'r llall?' pan, mewn gwirionedd, na allwch chi wneud hynny. Felly, rwyf i wedi bod yn amharod dros ben erioed i ystyried gweinyddu rhywbeth pan fy mod i'n credu ei fod yn fagl a osodwyd gan Lywodraeth y DU.