English: Mike Hedges, you're sounding very, very suspicious and cynical about Transport for Wales's protection of data, but it is for that very reason. It is also because the manufacturing process that's involved in the new cards is such that we have to ensure that the cards can be used anywhere in the UK, in the event that such an equitable system of applying the concessionary fare scheme is introduced, so that we could use it on a cross-border basis. Can I first of all say that I did enjoy helping Mike to apply for his concessionary bus pass last week? It gave me a personal experience of how simple a process it is. That's why I am confident, in many respects, that all people who wish to secure the replacement bus pass will be able to do so in good time. My question would be this: when you say that you have used buses more now than ever before because they are free, are you saying that you would not use buses in the future if you had to pay for them, recognising that we in this Chamber are all paid a pretty good salary? Or is it the case, now that you've experienced how good bus services are, that you would wish to retain that sort of service? My view is it's the latter. Once you start using a bus service, if it's good, if it gets you from A to B on time, if you're not stuck in traffic, if you can guarantee it's going to turn up on time, you will use it. You'll use it, and you particularly will use it if you lower the fares by as much as three quarters, as could happen under the vision that I've just outlined. And insofar as testing this sort of approach goes, well, the ArrivaClick system in south Liverpool has a fare structure that is incredibly affordable and that's shown that over 50 per cent of users of that new innovative service are people who haven't used buses in the past, but, equally, that service is reliable and operates on the basis of offering shorter journey times than private vehicles. So, you have to take all of these factors and put them in the mix in order to drive modal shift.
Welsh: Mike Hedges, rydych chi'n swnio'n amheus ac yn sinigaidd iawn ynghylch y ffaith bod Trafnidiaeth Cymru yn diogelu data, ond dyna'r rheswm go iawn. Mae hefyd oherwydd bod y broses weithgynhyrchu sydd yn gysylltiedig â'r cardiau newydd yn golygu bod yn rhaid inni sicrhau y gellir defnyddio'r cardiau mewn unrhyw le yn y DU, os cyflwynir system deg o'r fath i gymhwyso'r cynllun tocynnau teithio rhatach, fel y gallem ei ddefnyddio'n drawsffiniol. A gaf i yn gyntaf oll ddweud fy mod wedi mwynhau helpu Mike i wneud cais am ei gerdyn teithio rhatach yr wythnos diwethaf? Rhoddodd brofiad personol i mi o ba mor syml yw'r broses. Dyna pam fy mod i'r ffyddiog, ar lawer ystyr, y bydd pawb sy'n dymuno cael pàs bws newydd yn gallu gwneud hynny mewn da bryd. Fy nghwestiwn fyddai hyn: pan ddywedwch eich bod wedi defnyddio bysiau'n fwy nawr nag erioed o'r blaen am eu bod am ddim, a ydych chi'n dweud na fyddech yn defnyddio bysiau yn y dyfodol pe bai'n rhaid ichi dalu amdanyn nhw, gan gydnabod ein bod i gyd yn y Siambr hon yn cael cyflog eithaf da? Neu a yw'n wir, nawr eich bod wedi profi pa mor dda yw gwasanaethau bws, y byddech yn dymuno cadw'r math hwnnw o wasanaeth? Fy marn i yw mai'r olaf yw'r rheswm. Ar ôl i chi ddechrau defnyddio gwasanaeth bws, os yw'n dda, os yw'n mynd â chi o A i B mewn pryd, os nad ydych chi mewn tagfa draffig, os gallwch warantu y bydd yn cyrraedd ar amser, byddwch yn ei ddefnyddio. Byddwch yn ei ddefnyddio, ac yn benodol byddwch yn ei ddefnyddio os cewch ostyngiad o gymaint â thri chwarter, fel y gallai ddigwydd o dan y weledigaeth yr wyf newydd ei hamlinellu. Ac o ran profi'r math hwn o ddull, wel, mae gan system ArrivaClick yn ne Lerpwl strwythur tocynnau sy'n anhygoel o fforddiadwy a dangosir bod dros 50 y cant o ddefnyddwyr y gwasanaeth arloesol newydd hwnnw yn bobl nad ydyn nhw wedi defnyddio bysiau yn y gorffennol, ond, yn yr un modd, mae'r gwasanaeth hwnnw'n ddibynadwy ac yn gweithredu ar sail cynnig amseroedd teithio byrrach na cherbydau preifat. Felly, mae'n rhaid i chi ystyried yr holl ffactorau hyn gyda'i gilydd er mwyn sbarduno newid moddol.