English: This is a wholly indefensible position from a major company running services with public subsidy - that's what we shouldn't forget. Arriva Buses Wales has enjoyed a near monopoly of services in parts of north Wales over the years, and receiving those subsidies, of course, from Welsh Government indirectly. So, I want to hear a stronger intent from Government in terms of some sort of intervention, because the grant is derived from the Government, so surely you're in a position to flex some muscle here, and, if you aren't, then surely tell us that that is your intention to bake those kinds of expectations in. You've spoken in the past about legislation around public procurement, for example. This is the kind of thing that we need to hardwire into future contracts. Now, the offer of 29p an hour as a pay rise compared to the 39p, of course, paid to counterparts in north-west England means that we do have a pay differential of £2.20 an hour, as we heard, for driving the same buses along many of the same roads, but, of course, those workers are all facing the same cost-of-living crisis, and they're key workers. It's easy to forget - our bus drivers are key workers. We've hailed their efforts as heroes during this pandemic; they deserve a better deal. But, of course, this underlines to me that it's time for a bigger shake-up of our bus services. We've been at the mercy of commercial bus companies for too many years. So, do you now agree, Minister, that this underlines the need to take the private profit motive out of public service delivery in Wales and to bring bus services back into public hands?
Welsh: Mae hon yn weithred na ellir ei hamddiffyn gan gwmni mawr sy'n rhedeg gwasanaethau gyda chymorthdaliadau cyhoeddus - ac ni ddylem anghofio hynny. Mae Bysiau Arriva Cymru wedi mwynhau monopoli, fwy neu lai, ar wasanaethau mewn rhannau o ogledd Cymru dros y blynyddoedd, ac mae'n derbyn y cymorthdaliadau hynny, wrth gwrs, gan Lywodraeth Cymru yn anuniongyrchol. Felly, hoffwn glywed bwriad cryfach gan y Llywodraeth i ymyrryd mewn rhyw fodd, gan fod y grant yn deillio o'r Llywodraeth, felly rhaid eich bod mewn sefyllfa i ystwytho'ch cyhyrau yma, ac os nad ydych, rhaid i chi allu dweud wrthym mai eich bwriad yw bodloni'r mathau hynny o ddisgwyliadau. Rydych wedi sôn yn y gorffennol am ddeddfwriaeth mewn perthynas â chaffael cyhoeddus, er enghraifft. Dyma'r math o beth y mae angen inni ei gynnwys fel mater o drefn mewn contractau yn y dyfodol. Nawr, mae'r cynnig o 29c yr awr fel codiad cyflog o gymharu â'r 39c, wrth gwrs, a roddwyd i gymheiriaid yng ngogledd-orllewin Lloegr yn golygu bod gennym wahaniaeth cyflog o £2.20 yr awr, fel y clywsom, am yrru'r un bysiau ar hyd llawer o'r un ffyrdd, ond wrth gwrs, mae pob un o'r gweithwyr hynny'n wynebu'r un argyfwng costau byw, ac maent yn weithwyr allweddol. Mae'n hawdd anghofio hynny - mae ein gyrwyr bysiau'n weithwyr allweddol. Rydym wedi canmol eu hymdrechion fel arwyr yn ystod y pandemig hwn; maent yn haeddu gwell. Ond wrth gwrs, i mi, mae hyn yn tanlinellu'r ffaith ei bod yn bryd ad-drefnu ein gwasanaethau bysiau. Rydym wedi bod ar drugaredd cwmnïau bysiau masnachol ers gormod o flynyddoedd. Felly, a ydych yn cytuno bellach, Weinidog, fod hyn yn tanlinellu'r angen i gael gwared ar gymhelliad elw preifat o ddarpariaeth gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yng Nghymru ac i ddod â gwasanaethau bysiau yn ôl i ddwylo cyhoeddus?