English: May I echo my thanks to the committee for all of this work on this vitally important issue. And, similarly, I agree with a number of the points that Alun Davies made. This is an issue of equality, and I was going to raise similar points in terms of residents of South Wales Central. If you think about how - . I represent the Cardiff area, where it's far easier to change your practice; you can choose not to have a car, because of alternative methods of transport. If you move towards Pontypridd and further into the Valleys, and Vikki referred to those areas - . Well, that's all within my region, and the complaints that I hear on a daily basis from people where they don't have alternative modes of transport, they don't have a car, so, when the bus or the train isn't there, isn't running, then they are entirely stuck in their homes - . That means that they lose opportunities in terms of employment, they lose opportunities to access medical appointments, which are very difficult to get these days, but also in terms of getting their children to school on time or picking up children who are poorly from school. There's huge inequality at the moment. When we talk about changes of practices or routines, a number of people in my region do use the bus or the train because that's the only option available to them, but the problem and the complaints that we hear now are that the trains aren't running. We know about the upgrade with regard to the metro, which is very much to be welcomed, but the thing is that those buses don't turn up if the trains don't run, and often buses are cancelled too. I was very pleased to see recommendation 8 specifically, because we do know that there is a crisis in recruitment. We have to remember then about the statistics and the people behind those statistics. As I've been a councillor, a number of people in Pontypridd still have my phone number, and I receive a text every time that one bus at 16:29 in the afternoon - it's the last bus that goes up the hill in Pontypridd - doesn't run. I receive a text almost every day that that service isn't running, and I hear time and time again about the same old services. So, this is a problem for people, and we're not just talking about people in rural areas. We know about the huge problem there, but you can live in a town such as Pontypridd, you can see the shops, you can see all of the things that are going on, but you can't get there if you don't have a car and if you're not able to walk. And then we think about equality issues, because even if you do have that bus pass, even if you can afford it, if the service isn't available, then it's a fact that people are stuck in their homes. One of the concerns that are raised with me when I talk to young people in my region is their lack of confidence in terms of taking the bus or the train, because a number of them haven't had an opportunity to do that at all because of the pandemic, to be able to make that journey without their parents for the first time, and there are a number of schemes now where youth workers are having to take children and young people for the first time on a bus and show them how the system works, almost holding their hand through that process. So, one of the things that I was going to ask - . If we are going to change our practices, then starting with young people is going to be vitally important. So, with regard to that practical support, which can be very costly, how are we going to use the new curriculum, for example, to be promoting using public transport and normalising that use of public transport? Because, clearly, there's a number of steps here with regard to transforming the system for the future, but it's vitally important that we support people through that process too, because, in nations where public transport is normalised, people know how it works. But there are more fundamental issues to bear in mind here too. I think that the issue of cost is very important. We're hearing in other committees at the moment about children and young people not getting to school if they aren't within the catchment area of being able to access a free bus ticket to school. So, cost is an issue, and we need to look at that range of issues. But I would hope that the Deputy Minister would agree with me that we shouldn't see a situation where a young person is being refused access to a bus that is taking them to school because they don't have the money to pay for the fare. I would hope that we could look at measures in terms of anti-poverty measures and the cost-of-living crisis to deal with the current crisis in terms of transport costs, which is preventing people from getting to school. I'll let Sioned Williams come in.
Welsh: A gaf i ategu fy niolch innau i'r pwyllgor am yr holl waith ar y mater allweddol bwysig yma? Ac, yn debyg iawn, dwi'n cytuno efo nifer o'r pwyntiau a gododd Alun Davies. Mae hwn yn fater o gyfartaledd, a phwyntiau cyffelyb roeddwn innau eisiau eu codi ar ran trigolion Canol De Cymru. Os ydych chi'n meddwl pa mor - . Dwi'n cynrychioli ardal Caerdydd, lle mae hi'n haws o lawer i chi newid eich arfer, i ddewis peidio â chael car, oherwydd pethau amgen. Rydyn ni'n teithio wedyn tuag at Bontypridd ac yn bellach i'r Cymoedd, fel roedd Vikki Howells yn cyfeirio ato - . Wel, mae hynny i gyd o fewn fy rhanbarth i, ac mae'r cwynion dwi'n eu cael yn ddyddiol gan bobl lle nad oes ganddyn nhw drafnidiaeth amgen, does dim car, felly, pan dydy'r bws neu'r trên ddim yna, maen nhw'n hollol, hollol gaeth i'w tai - . Mae hynny'n golygu colli cyfleoedd o ran gwaith, ond yn bwysig hefyd colli cyfle ar gyfer apwyntiadau meddygol, sydd yn eithriadol o anodd i'w cael dyddiau yma, ond hefyd o ran cael eu plant i'w hysgol ar amser neu gasglu plant sy'n sâl. Mae yna anghyfartaledd mawr yn bodoli ar y funud. Pan ydyn ni'n sôn ynglŷn â newid arferion, mae nifer o'r bobl yn fy rhanbarth i yn defnyddio'r bws neu'r trên oherwydd dyna'r unig beth sydd ar gael iddyn nhw, ond y broblem a'r cwynion rydyn ni'n eu cael rŵan ydy dyw'r trenau yna ddim yn rhedeg. Rydyn ni'n gwybod am yr uwchraddio o ran y metro, sydd i'w groesawu'n fawr, ond y drwg ydy dyw'r bysus yna ddim yn troi i fyny os dydy'r trenau ddim yn rhedeg, ac yn aml mae bysus yn cael eu canslo. Mi oeddwn i'n eithriadol o falch o weld argymhelliad 8 yn benodol, oherwydd mi ydyn ni'n gwybod bod yna argyfwng o ran recriwtio. Mae'n rhaid i ni gofio wedyn am yr ystadegau, y bobl y tu hwnt i'r ystadegau hynny. A finnau wedi bod yn gynghorydd, mae nifer o bobl ym Mhontypridd dal efo fy rhif ffôn i, a dwi'n cael tecst bob tro dydy un bws am 16:29 yn y prynhawn, sef y bws olaf, sydd yn mynd i fyny'r mynydd ym Mhontypridd, ddim yn rhedeg. Dwi'n cael tecst bron bob dydd dyw'r gwasanaeth hwnnw ddim yn rhedeg, a'r un un gwasanaethau dwi'n clywed amdanyn nhw dro ar ôl tro. Felly, mae hyn yn broblem wedyn i bobl, a dydyn ni ddim yn sôn am bobl jest mewn cefn gwlad. Rydyn ni'n gwybod am y broblem aruthrol yno, ond rydych chi'n gallu byw mewn tref fel Pontypridd, yn gallu gweld y siopau, gweld yr holl bethau sy'n mynd ymlaen, ond methu â'u cyrraedd nhw os nad oes gennych chi gar ac os nad ydych chi'n ddigon abl i allu cerdded. A dwi'n meddwl wedyn, mi ydyn ni'n edrych wedyn o ran cydraddoldeb, oherwydd hyd yn oed os oes gennych chi'r pàs bws yna, hyd yn oed os ydych chi'n gallu ei fforddio, os dydy'r gwasanaeth ddim yna, mae'n ffaith bod pobl yn gaeth yn eu tai. Un o'r pethau oedd yn fy mhryderu i yn fawr iawn, o siarad gyda phobl ifanc yn fy rhanbarth i, oedd y diffyg hyder sydd ganddyn nhw erbyn hyn o ran mynd ar fws neu drên, oherwydd mae amryw ohonyn nhw heb gael y cyfle i wneud hynny o gwbl oherwydd y pandemig, i allu gwneud yr ambell siwrnai yna heb eu rhieni am y tro cyntaf, ac mae yna nifer o gynlluniau rŵan lle mae gweithwyr ieuenctid yn gorfod mynd â phlant a phobl ifanc am y tro cyntaf ar fws a dangos iddyn nhw sut mae'r system yn gweithio, bron yn dal eu llaw nhw drwy'r broses honno. Felly, un o'r pethau mi oeddwn i'n mynd i holi - . Os ydyn ni'n mynd i newid arferion, yn amlwg, mae dechrau efo pobl ifanc yn mynd i fod yn allweddol bwysig. Felly, o ran y gefnogaeth ymarferol honno, sydd yn gallu bod yn gostus iawn, sut ydyn ni'n mynd i fod yn defnyddio'r cwricwlwm newydd, er enghraifft, er mwyn hyrwyddo mynd ar drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus a normaleiddio hynny, felly? Oherwydd, yn amlwg, mae yna nifer o gamau fan hyn o ran trawsnewid y system i'r dyfodol, ond mae'n allweddol bwysig ein bod ni'n cefnogi pobl drwy'r broses honno hefyd, oherwydd, mewn gwledydd lle mae wedi'i normaleiddio, mae pawb yn gwybod sut mae pethau'n gweithio. Ond mae yna bethau mwy sylfaenol. Dwi hefyd yn meddwl bod y mater o gost yn un pwysig. Rydyn ni'n clywed mewn pwyllgorau eraill ar y funud am nad yw plant a phobl ifanc yn cyrraedd yr ysgol os nad ydyn nhw o fewn y dalgylch o allu cael tocyn bws am ddim i'r ysgol. Felly, mae cost yn rhwystr, a dwi'n meddwl bod yn rhaid inni edrych ar yr holl ystod yna. Ond fe fyddwn i'n gobeithio y byddai'r Dirprwy Weinidog yn cytuno efo fi na ddylem ni weld sefyllfa lle mae person ifanc yn cael gwrthod mynediad ar fws sydd yn mynd â nhw i'r ysgol oherwydd dyw'r arian ddim ganddyn nhw. Ac mi fyddwn i'n gobeithio ein bod ni'n gallu edrych ar fesurau o ran gwrth-dlodi rŵan a'r argyfwng costau byw i ddelio efo'r argyfwng sydd yna rŵan o ran cost trafnidiaeth, sydd yn atal pobl rhag cyrraedd ysgolion. Os caf i adael i Sioned Williams ddod i mewn.