English: Well, I met with Irish Ferries yesterday, so I discussed with them their plans, and it is good, as I said earlier on, that they are looking to invest in new ships. But the Irish Road Haulage Association are very, very concerned about the potential for delay. They don't see border controls in terms of there being passport controls, but their concerns are: (a) will there be customs checks; and (b) will they be comprehensive or random? They were never comprehensive in the past; they were always random. And in reality there is no other way of doing customs checks without having miles and miles of traffic queueing. My argument is this: I want to see an open border between the north and south of Ireland. I know that border exceptionally well, and I know it's impossible to see it, if that's the word you want to use, in any event. In the days of the Troubles, minor roads were blown up by the British Army and there were crossing points at various main roads. That's before there was a motorway built across the border. So, in reality, it's impossible to police that border from a customs perspective. Good - if a way is found of doing that, I have no argument, but my argument is this: the same arrangements must apply to the maritime border between Ireland and Wales. We can't afford to have a situation where the maritime border is seen as more difficult, more bureaucratic and more troublesome for freight operators than the border between the north and south in Ireland. Why? There's an incentive there for goods to move through Northern Ireland to Scottish ports and into Liverpool and to avoid the Welsh ports, if that border is seen as more problematic. If it applies to one, it has to apply to all.
Welsh: Wel, cefais gyfarfod gydag Irish Ferries ddoe, felly trafodais eu cynlluniau gyda nhw, ac mae'n dda, fel y dywedais yn gynharach, eu bod nhw'n bwriadu buddsoddi mewn llongau newydd. Ond mae Cymdeithas Cludo Nwyddau ar y Ffyrdd Iwerddon yn bryderus dros ben am y posibilrwydd o oedi. Nid ydyn nhw'n gweld rheolaethau ffin o ran cael rheolaethau pasbort, ond eu pryderon yw: (a) a fydd archwiliadau tollau; a (b) a fyddant yn gynhwysfawr neu ar hap? Nid oedden nhw erioed yn gynhwysfawr yn y gorffennol; roedden nhw bob amser ar hap. Ac, mewn gwirionedd, nid oes unrhyw ffordd arall o gynnal archwiliadau tollau heb gael milltiroedd ar filltiroedd o draffig yn ciwio. Dyma fy nadl i: rwyf i eisiau gweld ffin agored rhwng gogledd a de Iwerddon. Rwy'n adnabod y ffin honno'n arbennig o dda, a gwn ei bod hi'n amhosibl ei gweld, os mai dyna'r gair yr ydych chi eisiau ei ddefnyddio, beth bynnag. Yn nyddiau'r helyntion, ffrwydrwyd ffyrdd bach gan Fyddin Prydain ac roedd mannau croesi ar wahanol brif ffyrdd. Roedd hynny cyn i draffordd gael ei hadeiladu ar draws y ffin. Felly, mewn gwirionedd, mae'n amhosibl plismona'r ffin honno o safbwynt tollau. Iawn - os canfyddir ffordd o wneud hynny, nid oes gen i ddadl, ond dyma fy nadl i: mae'n rhaid i'r un trefniadau fod yn berthnasol i'r ffin forol rhwng Iwerddon a Chymru. Ni allwn fforddio bod mewn sefyllfa pan ystyrir bod y ffin forol yn fwy anodd, yn fwy biwrocrataidd ac yn fwy trafferthus i weithredwyr cludo nwyddau na'r ffin rhwng y gogledd a'r de yn Iwerddon. Pam? Ceir cymhelliad i nwyddau symud trwy Ogledd Iwerddon i borthladdoedd yr Alban ac i Lerpwl ac i osgoi porthladdoedd Cymru, os ystyrir bod y ffin honno'n peri mwy o broblemau. Os yw'n berthnasol i un, mae'n rhaid iddo fod yn berthnasol i'r cwbl.