English: My role isn't to answer for the Thomas commission, or to take up specific issues that are in or not within the Thomas commission. What my role has been - Welsh Government's role - is to consider the totality of the recommendations made by the Thomas commission, to evaluate them and see how those might be pursued. The issue of the devolution of policing is obviously one that has been taken up, and it is one that's resulted in quite a range of meetings between myself, the Minister for Social Justice, as well, at the police partnership board that has been set up, and a very close collaboration as well with the police and crime commissioners. In doing so, what we seek to do is to have a proper partnership in terms of those areas that are devolved that clearly do relate to policing, which is why we, obviously, want the devolution of policing, the partnership between the four police areas, but, of course, any other areas that overlap in terms of engagement there are equally valid. Now, those organisational matters are obviously matters for the chief constable, but they do get discussed, so I don't think there are grounds there for criticism, because what we are looking at is how the partnership between our responsibilities and policing can actually work collaboratively together. I don't think the points you make on whether they're sustainable or not sustainable really have any real bearing on the importance of actually having that partnership, having that engagement or actually undermining the view that we've taken, but also that the police and crime commissioners hold - all four of them, who have been democratically elected - that there is merit in the development of the devolution of policing.
Welsh: Nid fy rôl i yw ateb dros gomisiwn Thomas, na mynd i'r afael â materion penodol sydd o fewn comisiwn Thomas neu beidio. Fy rôl i - rôl Llywodraeth Cymru - yw ystyried cyfanswm yr argymhellion a wnaed gan gomisiwn Thomas, eu gwerthuso ac ystyried sut gellid mynd ar drywydd y rheini. Mae'n amlwg fod mater datganoli plismona yn un sydd wedi ei godi, ac mae'n un sydd wedi arwain at amrywiaeth o gyfarfodydd rhyngof fi, y Gweinidog Cyfiawnder Cymdeithasol, yn ogystal, yn y bwrdd partneriaeth plismona sydd wedi'i sefydlu, a chydweithio'n agos iawn â'r comisiynwyr heddlu a throseddu hefyd. Wrth wneud hynny, yr hyn y ceisiwn ei wneud yw cael partneriaeth briodol yn y meysydd sydd wedi'u datganoli sy'n ymwneud yn amlwg â phlismona, a dyna pam ein bod ni, yn amlwg, eisiau datganoli plismona, y bartneriaeth rhwng y pedair ardal heddlu, ond wrth gwrs, mae unrhyw feysydd eraill sy'n gorgyffwrdd o ran ymgysylltiad yr un mor ddilys. Nawr, mae'r materion sefydliadol hynny yn amlwg yn faterion i'r prif gwnstabl, ond maent yn cael eu trafod, felly nid wyf yn credu bod sail i feirniadaeth yn hynny o beth, oherwydd rydym yn edrych i weld sut y gall y bartneriaeth rhwng ein cyfrifoldebau a'n plismona weithio ar y cyd gyda'i gilydd mewn gwirionedd. Nid wyf yn credu bod y pwyntiau a wnewch ynglŷn ag a ydynt yn gynaliadwy neu beidio yn dylanwadu'n fawr ar bwysigrwydd cael y bartneriaeth honno, cael yr ymgysylltiad hwnnw neu danseilio'r safbwynt rydym wedi'i fabwysiadu, ond hefyd fod y comisiynwyr heddlu a throseddu o'r farn - y pedwar ohonynt, sydd wedi'u hethol yn ddemocrataidd - fod yna werth i ddatblygu datganoli plismona.