English: We do not support, in the Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party, these Welsh rates of income tax, and we'd like to vote against them, but I shan't, because if they don't go through, we will see a massive hole in our public spending because of the amount by which the block grant has been reduced. So, we'll abstain on this motion. We certainly don't support these Welsh rates of income tax because there shouldn't be Welsh rates of income tax, because we had a referendum in 2011, when voters were assured, on the ballot paper, 'The Assembly cannot make laws on tax, whatever the result of this vote.' That promise has been broken, and I'm afraid that referendum has been negated in consequence. In 2016, December, Mark Drakeford, then finance Minister, now First Minister, agreed with the Westminster Government to devolve Welsh rates of income tax, having previously agreed not to, with that assurance on the ballot paper. And that promise was broken. We saw, in the 2017 Wales Act, the Conservative Government in Westminster break their promise as well. We were assured there would be no Welsh rates of income tax without a further referendum. That has not been the case. I welcome what the First Minister says about publicising Welsh rates of income tax. A lot of people aren't aware of them, because they haven't changed. But, in one very important aspect, there has been a change, because when we got those Welsh rates of income tax devolved, the block grant was reduced by an equivalent amount, and it was necessary to project how much the block grant would be reduced in future years, including consideration of a forecast for those Welsh rates of income tax. Now we see that we are getting £35 million less money than we would, because of those Welsh rates of income tax, because their yield has not been as high as forecast, and we in Wales are on risk for that, because of that devolution of Welsh rates of income tax. Of course, there are other issues that the finance Minister can speak about in terms of the fiscal compact, but those Welsh rates of income tax should not have been devolved, and there is a £35 million cost contingent on that. Now, the First Minister criticised the UK Government for freezing the personal income tax threshold, saying that those who find it hardest to pay would suffer the most. Of course, those who find it hardest to pay aren't paying the income tax, because many earn below that threshold, and particularly so in Wales. We also see the freezing of the upper-rate threshold, which, of course, leads to costs being borne by those who are more able to bear those costs, so I was surprised to hear that criticism. We need to understand that these rates being devolved, even if they haven't changed, is costing £35 million a year, on account of the revenue that we're not getting that was previously projected, and it is a breach of faith, and it negates that 2011 referendum because the promise on which it was based has been broken.
Welsh: Nid ydym yn cefnogi, ym Mhlaid Diddymu Cynulliad Cymru, y cyfraddau treth incwm hyn yng Nghymru, ac fe hoffem ni bleidleisio yn eu herbyn, ond nid wyf am wneud hynny, oherwydd os na chânt sêl bendith, byddwn yn gweld twll enfawr yn ein gwariant cyhoeddus oherwydd y swm a dynnwyd oddi ar y grant bloc. Felly, byddwn yn ymatal ar y cynnig hwn. Yn sicr, nid ydym yn cefnogi'r cyfraddau treth incwm hyn yng Nghymru oherwydd ni ddylid cael cyfraddau treth incwm Cymru, oherwydd cawsom refferendwm yn 2011, pan sicrhawyd pleidleiswyr, ar y papur pleidleisio, 'Ni all y Cynulliad ddeddfu ar dreth, beth bynnag fo canlyniad y bleidlais hon.' Mae'r addewid hwnnw wedi'i dorri, ac mae arnaf ofn bod y refferendwm hwnnw wedi'i annilysu o ganlyniad. Yn 2016, mis Rhagfyr, cytunodd Mark Drakeford, y Gweinidog Cyllid, y Prif Weinidog erbyn hyn, â Llywodraeth San Steffan i ddatganoli cyfraddau treth incwm Cymru, ar ôl cytuno'n flaenorol i beidio â gwneud hynny, gyda'r sicrwydd hwnnw ar y papur pleidleisio. Ac fe dorrwyd yr addewid hwnnw. Gwelsom, yn Neddf Cymru 2017, y Llywodraeth Geidwadol yn San Steffan yn torri eu haddewid hefyd. Cawsom ein sicrhau na fyddai cyfraddau treth incwm Cymru heb refferendwm pellach. Nid felly y bu. Croesawaf yr hyn a ddywed y Prif Weinidog am roi cyhoeddusrwydd i gyfraddau treth incwm Cymru. Mae llawer o bobl nad ydynt yn ymwybodol ohonyn nhw, oherwydd nid ydyn nhw wedi newid. Ond, mewn un agwedd bwysig iawn, bu newid, oherwydd pan gawsom ni y cyfraddau treth incwm hynny yng Nghymru wedi'u datganoli, lleihawyd y grant bloc o swm cyfatebol, ac roedd angen rhagweld faint y cai'r grant bloc ei leihau yn y dyfodol, gan gynnwys ystyried rhagolwg ar gyfer y cyfraddau treth incwm hynny yng Nghymru. Nawr gwelwn ein bod yn cael £35 miliwn yn llai o arian nag y byddem ni, oherwydd y cyfraddau treth incwm hynny yng Nghymru, oherwydd nad ydyn nhw wedi esgor ar gymaint ag y rhagwelwyd, ac yr ydym ni yng Nghymru mewn perygl oherwydd hynny, oherwydd datganoli cyfraddau treth incwm Cymru. Wrth gwrs, mae materion eraill y gall y Gweinidog cyllid siarad amdanyn nhw o ran y compact cyllidol, ond ni ddylai'r cyfraddau treth incwm hynny yng Nghymru fod wedi'u datganoli, ac mae cost o £35 miliwn yn rhwym wrth hynny. Nawr, beirniadodd y Prif Weinidog Lywodraeth y DU am rewi'r trothwy treth incwm personol, gan ddweud mai'r rhai sy'n ei chael hi'n anoddaf talu fyddai'n dioddef fwyaf. Wrth gwrs, nid yw'r rhai sy'n ei chael hi'n anoddaf talu yn talu'r dreth incwm, oherwydd mae llawer yn ennill llai na'r trothwy hwnnw, ac yn arbennig felly yng Nghymru. Gwelwn hefyd rewi'r trothwy cyfradd uchaf, sydd, wrth gwrs, yn arwain at gostau'n cael eu talu gan y rhai sy'n fwy abl i dalu'r costau hynny, felly synnais o glywed y feirniadaeth honno. Mae angen i ni ddeall bod datganoli'r cyfraddau hyn, hyd yn oed os nad ydynt wedi newid, yn costio £35 miliwn y flwyddyn, o ystyried y refeniw nad ydym yn ei gael, a'i fod yn tanseilio ffydd, ac mae'n annilysu'r refferendwm hwnnw yn 2011 oherwydd bod yr addewid y seiliwyd ef arno wedi'i dorri.