English: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Llywydd. Can I thank everybody for their - well, most Members for their contributions and their constructive contributions to this debate? I think Luke Fletcher struck the right note right at the start. This levelling up is actually a top-down agenda in reality, and I'd go further. What kind of agenda? Well, we're seeing constituencies and authorities being cherry-picked for funding, with the diktat that ribbons must be cut 12 months before the next general election. You're not fooling anybody in terms of what the agenda really is here. And, I have to say, there was a valiant effort to justify the amendment that's being proposed, but to say that this is about empowering local communities, the reality is quite different. Let's be honest about this. Even under the WEFO programme monitoring committee, you had local government representatives, you had business representatives, you had the education sector, you had the third sector. And now, of course, we have under the levelling-up fund an application process where applications disappear into the bowels of Whitehall somewhere, no doubt to be processed by unelected bureaucrats - remember those - unelected bureaucrats making decisions, and of course it leaves local authorities thrown into this kind of cut-throat competitive environment where you're pitting communities against each other to be in the limelight, to get the money to pay for their projects, and local authorities, likewise, competing against each other. And, okay, how many times have we heard, 'Wales will not lose out on post-EU funding'? It's reflected again in the amendment. It's straight out of the Boris Johnson playbook, really, isn't it? No matter how ridiculous it is, say it often enough and, do you know what, people might believe you? Well, people are wise to that now. I think we've learnt when not to trust the Tories. It's when their lips move, isn't it? That's what people tell us. Or indeed, when they table these kinds of amendments, or indeed when they promise something in a manifesto. As many Members, many sectors, many organisations are telling us, where has this money gone? It's disappeared. Not a penny less, not a power lost, as we were told. Well, it's far from the truth. I would agree with a number of the Conservative Members who actually said that we need more clarity around the funding here in Wales. We need the figures provided. We need transparency - those are the words that you used. And I would agree, because I think that does reflect that the current settlement around some of the fiscal powers that we have here is deficient. When I was Chair of finance in the last Senedd, we had one evidence session where we had the Secretary of State telling us that Wales was getting more money, and in the immediate next evidence session we had the finance Minister from Wales telling us we're getting less. And as a committee, we were sort of fumbling around in the dark trying to work it out. Well, if we couldn't work it out then what hope does anybody else have? So, I'd agree with you there that we do need to address this. And, of course, the killer line for me came more than once from the Conservative benches. Why do we need these funds in Wales after decades of funding from the European Union? Well, because the United Kingdom is broken; because the status quo has left us in exactly that space. [ Interruption.] No, I won't. You've had over an hour to make your argument, and if you've left it until now then I'm sorry. The macro-economic levers are held at Westminster. Those are the powers that can make a real difference, and successive UK Governments have let us down and have left us poor. You've let us down. You're keeping us in poverty, so give us the powers and we'll do a better job. Not a half-cocked power arrangement to do a little bit of this and a little bit of that; not the crumbs from the table, as Mabon ap Gwynfor told us. And it should start with honouring your broken promises on post-Brexit funding, and give us the powers.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Lywydd. A gaf fi ddiolch i bawb am eu cyfraniadau - wel, y rhan fwyaf o'r Aelodau am eu cyfraniadau a'u cyfraniadau adeiladol i'r ddadl hon? Rwy'n credu bod Luke Fletcher wedi taro'r nodyn cywir ar y dechrau. Mae codi'r gwastad yn agenda o'r brig i lawr mewn gwirionedd, a byddwn i'n mynd ymhellach. Pa fath o agenda? Wel, rydym yn gweld etholaethau ac awdurdodau'n cael eu dethol ar gyfer cyllid, gyda'r dictad fod yn rhaid torri rhubanau 12 mis cyn yr etholiad cyffredinol nesaf. Nid ydych yn twyllo neb o ran beth yw'r agenda yma mewn gwirionedd. Ac mae'n rhaid imi ddweud, roedd yna ymdrech lew i gyfiawnhau'r gwelliant sy'n cael ei gynnig, ond o ran dweud bod hyn yn ymwneud â grymuso cymunedau lleol, mae'r realiti'n dra gwahanol. Gadewch inni fod yn onest am hyn. Hyd yn oed o dan bwyllgor monitro rhaglenni WEFO, roedd gennych gynrychiolwyr llywodraeth leol, roedd gennych gynrychiolwyr busnes, roedd gennych y sector addysg, roedd gennych y trydydd sector. Ac yn awr, wrth gwrs, o dan y gronfa ffyniant bro mae gennym broses ymgeisio lle mae ceisiadau'n diflannu i grombil Whitehall yn rhywle, i gael eu prosesu gan fiwrocratiaid anetholedig mae'n siŵr - ydych chi'n cofio'r rheini? - biwrocratiaid anetholedig sy'n gwneud penderfyniadau, ac wrth gwrs mae'n gadael i awdurdodau lleol gael eu taflu i'r math hwn o amgylchedd cystadleuol didostur lle rydych yn gosod cymunedau yn erbyn ei gilydd i gystadlu am y sylw, i gael yr arian i dalu am eu prosiectau, ac awdurdodau lleol, yn yr un modd, yn cystadlu yn erbyn ei gilydd. Ac o'r gorau, sawl gwaith y clywsom, 'Ni fydd Cymru'n colli'r un geiniog ar ôl gadael yr UE'? Mae'n cael ei adlewyrchu eto yn y gwelliant. Mae'n syth allan o lyfr Boris Johnson, mewn gwirionedd, onid yw? Ni waeth pa mor hurt ydyw, dywedwch rywbeth yn ddigon aml, a wyddoch chi beth, efallai y bydd pobl yn eich credu? Wel, mae pobl yn ddoethach bellach. Rwy'n credu ein bod wedi dysgu pryd i beidio ag ymddiried yn y Torïaid. Pan fydd eu gwefusau'n symud, onid e? Dyna mae pobl yn ei ddweud wrthym. Neu'n wir, pan fyddant yn cyflwyno'r mathau hyn o welliannau, neu pan fyddant yn addo rhywbeth mewn maniffesto. Fel llawer o Aelodau, llawer o sectorau, mae llawer o sefydliadau'n dweud wrthym, i ble'r aeth yr arian? Mae wedi diflannu. Dywedwyd wrthym na fyddem geiniog ar ein colled, ac na chollem unrhyw bŵer. Wel, mae'n bell o'r gwir. Byddwn yn cytuno â nifer o'r Aelodau Ceidwadol a ddywedodd mewn gwirionedd fod angen mwy o eglurder ynghylch y cyllid yma yng Nghymru. Mae angen gweld y ffigurau. Mae angen tryloywder - dyna'r geiriau a ddefnyddiwyd gennych. A byddwn yn cytuno, oherwydd credaf fod hynny'n dangos bod y setliad presennol ar gyfer rhai o'r pwerau cyllidol sydd gennym yma yn ddiffygiol. Pan oeddwn yn Gadeirydd cyllid yn y Senedd ddiwethaf, cawsom un sesiwn dystiolaeth lle y daeth yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol i ddweud wrthym fod Cymru'n cael mwy o arian, ac yn y sesiwn dystiolaeth nesaf un, cawsom Weinidog cyllid Cymru yn dweud wrthym ein bod yn cael llai. Ac fel pwyllgor, roeddem yn rhyw fustachu yn y tywyllwch yn ceisio gwneud synnwyr ohono. Wel, os na allem ni wneud synnwyr ohono, pa obaith sydd gan unrhyw un arall? Felly, byddwn yn cytuno â chi fod angen inni fynd i'r afael â hyn. Ac wrth gwrs, clywais y llinell anfarwol fwy nag unwaith o feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr. Pam y mae angen yr arian hwn arnom yng Nghymru ar ôl degawdau o gyllid gan yr Undeb Ewropeaidd? Wel, oherwydd bod y Deyrnas Unedig wedi torri; oherwydd bod y status quo wedi ein gadael yn yr union fan honno. [ Torri ar draws.] Na, ni wnaf. Rydych chi wedi cael dros awr i wneud eich dadl, ac os ydych chi wedi'i gadael tan yn awr yna mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Mae'r ysgogiadau macro-economaidd yn nwylo San Steffan. Dyna'r pwerau a all wneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol, ac mae llywodraethau olynol yn y DU wedi ein siomi ac wedi ein gadael yn dlawd. Rydych wedi gwneud cam â ni. Rydych yn ein cadw mewn tlodi, felly rhowch y pwerau inni ac fe wnawn bethau'n well. Nid trefniant pŵer hanner pob inni allu gwneud ychydig bach o hyn ac ychydig o hynny; nid y briwsion oddi ar y bwrdd, fel y dywedodd Mabon ap Gwynfor wrthym. A dylai ddechrau gydag anrhydeddu eich addewidion toredig ar gyllid ôl-Brexit, a rhowch y pwerau i ni.