English: Well, I think that the Minister by now has acknowledged that there is a problem in terms of the fact that the growth in Welsh-medium education is going to be undermined if we stay with the current proposals. So, it is important that we recognise the situation where, to all intents and purposes, we create this attitude where Welsh education and an immersive education isn't the norm. We need to get rid of that perception in the first instance. After that, I think there needs to be much greater leadership, be that in terms of code or guidance in terms of what the expectations are on English-medium schools. After that, I don't understand at the moment how we've reached a situation where the Government in the White Paper was saying that there was a need to create a structure, so that schools could move along the language continuum, that there was a need, then, as a result of that for us to have some sort of system for linguistic categorisation, and now there are no proposals for that. So, I think that we need to have some kind of structure in terms of the path ahead. The situation with regard to English-medium schools isn't going to change overnight. This is a massive task. But if we do reach a situation within Cymraeg 2050 that we say that half of the people that leave English-medium schools at the age of 16 are going to be fluent in Welsh - well, let's be honest here, that is a huge change to achieve in 30 years' time. We all know - . I went to English-medium schools. I know how many of those pupils were able to have any basic kind conversation in Welsh when they left school, and we need to be honest. If we're not willing or ready to change the system, if we're not ready to change the curriculum, let's say that. But that would also create a situation where some of the targets in terms of Cymraeg 2050 would have to be thrown out of the window, because we won't be reaching a situation by 2050 where half of pupils are able to speak Welsh, because we need to have wholesale change in terms of the way that Welsh is taught within those English-medium schools. It's not just a matter of increasing the number of Welsh-medium or bilingual schools. There is a duty for us to do the best by the children in the English-medium system as well.
Welsh: Wel, dwi'n meddwl bod y Gweinidog erbyn hyn wedi cydnabod bod yna broblem o ran y ffaith y bydd y twf o ran addysg Gymraeg o bosib yn mynd i gael ei danseilio os ydyn ni'n aros efo'r cynigion sydd gerbron ar hyn o bryd. Felly, mae'n bwysig ein bod ni'n cydnabod bod sefyllfa lle, i bob pwrpas, rydyn ni'n creu'r agwedd yma fod addysg Gymraeg ac addysg drochi ddim yn rhywbeth arferol. Mae angen inni gael gwared ar hynny yn y lle cyntaf. Ar ôl hynny, dwi'n meddwl bod llawer iawn mwy o arweiniad ei angen, boed hynny o ran cod neu ganllawiau o ran beth ydy'r disgwyliadau ar ysgolion Saesneg. Ac ar ôl hynny, dwi ddim yn deall ar hyn o bryd sut rydyn ni wedi cyrraedd sefyllfa lle mi oedd y Llywodraeth yn y Papur Gwyn yn dweud bod angen creu strwythur, fel bod ysgolion yn medru symud ar hyd y continwwm ieithyddol, bod angen, o achos hynny, inni gael rhyw gyfundrefn o ran categoreiddio ieithyddol, ac erbyn hyn does yna ddim cynigion. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod angen inni gael rhyw fath o strwythur o ran y llwybr. Dydy'r sefyllfa o ran ysgolion cyfrwng Saesneg ddim yn mynd i newid dros nos. Mae hon yn dasg enfawr. Ond os ydyn ni i gyrraedd y sefyllfa o fewn Cymraeg 2050 lle rydyn ni'n dweud bod hanner y disgyblion sy'n gadael ysgolion cyfrwng Saesneg yn 16 oed yn mynd i fod yn rhugl yn y Gymraeg - gadewch inni fod yn onest yma, mae hynny yn newid enfawr ymhen 30 mlynedd. Rydyn ni gyd yn gwybod - . Es i ysgolion cyfrwng Saesneg. Dwi'n gwybod faint o'r plant yna oedd yn medru cynnal unrhyw fath o sgwrs eithaf elfennol yn y Gymraeg, ac mae angen inni fod yn onest. Os dydyn ni ddim yn barod i newid y gyfundrefn addysg, os dydyn ni ddim yn barod i newid y cwricwlwm, gadewch inni ddweud hynny. Ond bydd hynny hefyd yn creu sefyllfa lle fydd rhai o'r targedau o ran Cymraeg 2050 yn gorfod cael eu taflu allan o'r ffenest, achos fyddwn ni ddim yn cyrraedd y sefyllfa erbyn 2050 lle mae hanner y plant - achos mae'n rhaid inni newid yn gyfan gwbl y ffordd mae'r Gymraeg yn cael ei haddysgu o fewn yr ysgolion Saesneg. Nid jest mater o gynyddu nifer yr ysgolion Cymraeg neu ddwyieithog ydy o. Mae yna ddyletswydd arnon ni i wneud y peth gorau ar gyfer plant sydd o fewn y gyfundrefn addysg Saesneg hefyd.