English: Thank you, Minister, for your statement this afternoon. I'll just start by maybe asking you to explain a few inconsistencies that I think I'm spotting in your statement and in the associated policy response document that you published to go with the statement today. You tell us in your statement that you'll be undertaking a range of economic analyses to understand the impact of moving from one system to another - you've already elaborated slightly on that - and that you're expecting output from the analysis next summer, but in the next breath you say that before the end of this Senedd term - so, that's long before next summer and before the economic impact analysis is going to be available - you'll be publishing a White Paper, paving the way for the introduction of an agriculture (Wales) Bill. So, really, is that not putting the cart before the horse because you're proposing legislation before you know what the economic impact is going to be? And later on you tell us in the statement that the UK Government's ongoing delays in confirming the level of replacement funding are frustrating and are delaying detailed forward planning - and I couldn't agree more - but how, then, can you do the economic analysis of the impact of a new support system if you don't know how much money is coming to Wales? Because if we get £5 million, it will have a certain impact; if we have £105 million, it'll have a very different economic impact. So, it suggests to me that you're working blind somewhat here and the risk is, of course, that you get it horribly wrong. I'd like you to elaborate further on the consultation that you mentioned may or may not happen this summer - exactly when it's happening, you weren't sure - about retaining and the simplification of rules around agricultural support for farmers and the rural economy. What kind of rules are you looking at here? Which rules in particular? Just give us an example, because I just want to understand exactly what you're trying to achieve and where you're targeting that consultation. You tell us in your statement that some are arguing that the focus on environmental outcomes would harm the financial viability of Welsh farming. I don't agree it would harm the economic viability of Welsh farming. I think, actually, that payment for public goods offers huge opportunities, and we have to reflect the climate and ecological crisis that we face within land management policy as we do across all Government policies. But, of course, my issue, as you know, is that you're framing this as an either/or situation. You're giving us the proposal that either we have payment for public goods or we retain a basic payment. Now, I don't agree that it is that either/or situation. Doing away in totality with at least an element of a direct payment I believe carries with it too much risk that you'll actually lose those family farms that you're actually depending upon to deliver the environmental outcomes that we all want to see. And, of course, what that will do is it will further entrench the power imbalance that we have within the food supply chain, leaving Welsh farms to a greater extent at the whim of a dysfunctional market, which is overwhelmingly, of course, controlled by a very small number of very, very large retailers, and that'll actually weaken, and not strengthen, the sector's resilience in many ways. You say that the production of food is rewarded by the market - those are your words. Well, if COVID-19 has taught us anything, it's underlined once and for all that, actually, food production isn't always rewarded by the market, and very often it's exploited by the market, and exploited to the detriment of our family farms, our rural economy and wider rural community. So, taking away any direct support leaves those farms, I fear, even more exposed, and Brexit, of course, will make things even worse. So, that's why I would prefer a hybrid model. Yes, let's ramp up the public goods support, but also retain at least an element of direct support. Now, finally from me, you refer to the advisory service and you say that you're going to commission an independent and objective assessment of the effectiveness of Farming Connect - you tell us in your policy response document - to help shape the design of future advisory support, and I think that's the perfectly right thing to do, but, of course, developing on what was said earlier about some of the issues that have recently been exposed in relation to the RDP by the Auditor General for Wales, the risk is, of course, that, in carrying over the RDP approach, effectively, into the new system that is being proposed, then you risk, of course, carrying over something where maybe we haven't learnt the lessons that we need to learn in terms of the way it's been delivered, whether - . You know, we certainly haven't assessed effectively enough, I think, the impact of the RDP thus far - the value-for-money stuff and the cost-effectiveness issues that were highlighted by the auditor general - and I know a number of people are calling for an independent review into the RDP. So, if you're willing to have an independent and objective assessment of certain elements, then surely you should be willing to have that wider take on the situation before we actually implant it at the heart of the new system that we're moving towards.
Welsh: Diolch am eich datganiad y prynhawn yma, Weinidog. Fe ddechreuaf efallai trwy ofyn i chi egluro ychydig o anghysondebau y credaf fy mod yn sylwi arnynt yn eich datganiad ac yn y ddogfen ymateb polisi gysylltiedig a gyhoeddwyd gennych i fynd gyda'ch datganiad heddiw. Rydych chi'n dweud wrthym yn eich datganiad y byddwch yn cyflawni ystod o ddadansoddiadau economaidd i ddeall effaith symud o un system i'r llall - rydych chi eisoes wedi ymhelaethu ychydig ar hynny - a'ch bod yn disgwyl allbwn o'r dadansoddiad yr haf nesaf, ond yn yr anadl nesaf, rydych chi'n dweud cyn diwedd tymor y Senedd hon - felly, mae hynny ymhell cyn yr haf nesaf a chyn i'r dadansoddiad o'r effaith economaidd fod ar gael - byddwch yn cyhoeddi Papur Gwyn, gan baratoi'r ffordd ar gyfer cyflwyno Bil amaethyddiaeth (Cymru). Felly, mewn gwirionedd, onid yw hynny'n rhoi'r drol o flaen y ceffyl oherwydd eich bod yn cynnig deddfwriaeth cyn i chi wybod beth fydd yr effaith economaidd? Ac yn nes ymlaen, dywedwch wrthym yn y datganiad fod oedi parhaus Llywodraeth y DU cyn cadarnhau lefel y cyllid newydd yn rhwystredig a bod blaengynllunio manwl wedi'i ohirio - ac ni allwn gytuno mwy - ond sut felly y gallwch wneud y dadansoddiad economaidd o effaith system gymorth newydd os nad ydych yn gwybod faint o arian sy'n dod i Gymru? Oherwydd os cawn £5 miliwn, bydd yn cael effaith benodol; os cawn £105 miliwn, bydd yn cael effaith economaidd wahanol iawn. Felly, mae'n awgrymu i mi eich bod yn gweithio'n ddall i ryw raddau yma a'r risg, wrth gwrs, yw eich bod yn ei gael yn ofnadwy o anghywir. Hoffwn i chi ymhelaethu ymhellach ar yr ymgynghoriad y sonioch chi amdano a allai ddigwydd yr haf hwn, neu beidio - nid oeddech yn sicr pryd yn union y bydd yn digwydd - ynglŷn â chadw a symleiddio rheolau ynghylch cymorth amaethyddol i ffermwyr a'r economi wledig. Pa fath o reolau rydych chi'n edrych arnynt yma? Pa reolau yn benodol? Rhowch un enghraifft i ni oherwydd rwyf eisiau deall yn union beth rydych chi'n ceisio'i gyflawni a ble rydych chi'n targedu'r ymgynghoriad hwnnw. Rydych yn dweud wrthym yn eich datganiad fod rhai yn dadlau y byddai'r ffocws ar ganlyniadau amgylcheddol yn niweidio hyfywedd ariannol ffermio yng Nghymru. Nid wyf yn cytuno y byddai'n niweidio hyfywedd economaidd ffermio yng Nghymru. Credaf, mewn gwirionedd, fod talu am nwyddau cyhoeddus yn cynnig cyfleoedd enfawr ac mae'n rhaid i ni adlewyrchu'r argyfwng hinsawdd ac ecolegol sy'n ein hwynebu o fewn polisi rheoli tir fel y gwnawn ar draws holl bolisïau'r Llywodraeth. Ond wrth gwrs, fy mhryder, fel y gwyddoch, yw eich bod yn fframio hon fel sefyllfa naill ai/neu. Rydych chi'n rhoi'r cynnig inni naill ai ein bod yn cael taliad am nwyddau cyhoeddus neu ein bod yn cadw taliad sylfaenol. Nawr, nid wyf yn cytuno ei bod hi'n sefyllfa naill ai/neu. Rwy'n credu bod cael gwared yn llwyr ar o leiaf un elfen o daliad uniongyrchol yn creu gormod o risg y byddwch yn colli'r ffermydd teuluol rydych chi'n dibynnu arnynt i gyflawni'r canlyniadau amgylcheddol rydym i gyd eisiau eu gweld. Ac wrth gwrs, bydd hynny'n gwaethygu'r anghydbwysedd pŵer sydd gennym yn y gadwyn gyflenwi bwyd gan adael ffermydd Cymru i raddau mwy ar fympwy marchnad gamweithredol sydd, wrth gwrs, yn cael ei rheoli i raddau helaeth gan nifer fach iawn o fanwerthwyr mawr iawn, a bydd hynny'n gwanhau mewn gwirionedd, nid yn cryfhau, gwytnwch y sector mewn sawl ffordd. Rydych chi'n dweud bod cynhyrchiant bwyd yn cael ei wobrwyo gan y farchnad - dyna oedd eich geiriau. Wel, os yw COVID-19 wedi dysgu unrhyw beth i ni, mae wedi tanlinellu unwaith ac am byth mewn gwirionedd nad yw'r farchnad bob amser yn gwobrwyo cynhyrchiant bwyd, ac yn aml iawn mae'r farchnad yn camfanteisio arno, a chamfanteisir ar gynhyrchiant bwyd er anfantais i'n ffermydd teuluol, ein heconomi wledig, a'n cymuned wledig ehangach. Felly, rwy'n ofni y bydd cael gwared ar unrhyw gymorth uniongyrchol yn gadael y ffermydd hynny hyd yn oed yn fwy agored a bydd Brexit, wrth gwrs, yn gwneud pethau hyd yn oed yn waeth. Felly dyna pam y byddai'n well gennyf fodel hybrid. Iawn, gadewch inni gynyddu'r cymorth i nwyddau cyhoeddus, ond gan gadw o leiaf elfen o gymorth uniongyrchol. Nawr, yn olaf gennyf fi, rydych chi'n cyfeirio at y gwasanaeth cynghori ac rydych chi'n dweud eich bod yn mynd i gomisiynu asesiad annibynnol a gwrthrychol o effeithiolrwydd Cyswllt Ffermio - dywedwch wrthym yn eich dogfen ymateb polisi - i helpu i lunio cymorth cynghori yn y dyfodol, a chredaf mai dyna'r peth hollol iawn i'w wneud, ond wrth gwrs, i ddatblygu'r hyn a ddywedwyd yn gynharach am rai o'r materion a amlygwyd yn ddiweddar mewn perthynas â'r cynllun datblygu gwledig gan Archwilydd Cyffredinol Cymru, y risg wrth gwrs wrth drosglwyddo dull y cynllun datblygu gwledig yn effeithiol i'r system newydd sy'n cael ei chynnig, rydych mewn perygl, wrth gwrs, o drosglwyddo rhywbeth lle nad ydym o bosibl wedi dysgu'r gwersi y mae angen inni eu dysgu o ran y ffordd y caiff ei gyflawni - . Wyddoch chi, yn sicr nid ydym wedi asesu effaith y cynllun datblygu gwledig yn ddigon effeithiol hyd yn hyn - y pethau gwerth am arian a'r materion ynghylch costeffeithiolrwydd a amlygwyd gan yr archwilydd cyffredinol, a gwn fod nifer o bobl yn galw am adolygiad annibynnol i'r cynllun datblygu gwledig. Felly, os ydych chi'n barod i gael asesiad annibynnol a gwrthrychol o rai elfennau, does bosibl na ddylech fod yn barod i gael y sylw ehangach hwnnw i'r sefyllfa cyn inni ei fewnblannu yng nghalon y system newydd rydym yn symud tuag ati.