English: In saying, Dirprwy Lywydd, that a tourism tax was an idea worth serious consideration, of course we looked at evidence from other parts of the world, and we saw then that tourism taxes operate in different ways and at different levels. We saw that they are almost always opposed by the industry itself, and indeed that the predictions of dire consequences regularly fail to materialise. I looked at what the head of the tourism organisation in Barcelona said when opposing the introduction of a tourism tax, just as visitor numbers to Barcelona rose more strongly than they ever had before. I looked at what the tourism organisation in Majorca said, just before the tax turned out to be so successful that they intend to use it even more next year. I don't say that the debate is in any way settled. I thought that Angela Burns's speech this afternoon would have been a perfectly proper speech to make in a debate about whether a tax is a good idea or not. I thought the questions she raised were absolutely proper questions, the sort of questions that we would want to explore, that ought to be answered. Where I disagree with her and with her party is in believing that now is the moment at which you should try to shut all that debate down. I normally listen very carefully to what the Member for Monmouth has to say. I think there's only two points that I can take from his contribution this afternoon. He objected to the idea of a tourism tax on the grounds of fairness - this from a party that represents the bedroom tax in every part of Wales. Every Member on that bench is prepared to say to people who live in their constituencies that it is perfectly fair for them to pay £15 a week for a bed in their own home, but apparently it is utterly outrageous to suggest that someone coming to a wedding in Pembrokeshire might pay £1 a night to stay in Wales as part of that visit. Instead, they will approach the newly liberated Severn bridge, slam the brakes on and say, 'I was going to go to a wedding in Pembrokeshire, but I think now it's going to cost me a £1 I'll go to one in Hereford instead.' I mean, it's absurd. It's absolutely absurd and they have to know that that is the case. Not only, though, are they worried about fairness but they're worried about the border. We know they're worried about the border because Tories have always regarded that Wales's chief advantage is that we come cheap. It was the whole basis of their whole economic policy in the 1980s - [Interruption.]
Welsh: Wrth ddweud, Dirprwy Lywydd, fod treth dwristiaeth yn syniad sy'n werth ei ystyried o ddifrif, fe edrychwyd, wrth gwrs, ar dystiolaeth o rannau eraill o'r byd, a gwelsom felly fod trethi twristiaeth yn gweithredu mewn gwahanol ffyrdd ac ar wahanol lefelau. Gwelsom eu bod bron bob amser yn cael eu gwrthwynebu gan y diwydiant ei hun, ac yn rheolaidd, yn wir, nid yw'r rhagfynegiadau o ganlyniadau difrifol yn cael eu gwireddu. Edrychais ar yr hyn a ddywedodd pennaeth y sefydliad twristiaeth yn Barcelona wrth wrthwynebu camau i gyflwyno treth dwristiaeth, ar yr union adeg y cododd niferoedd ymwelwyr â Barcelona yn gryfach nag y gwnaethant erioed o'r blaen. Edrychais ar yr hyn a ddywedodd y sefydliad twristiaeth ym Majorca, yn union cyn i'r dreth brofi mor llwyddiannus fel eu bod yn bwriadu defnyddio rhagor arni hyd yn oed y flwyddyn nesaf. Nid wyf yn dweud bod y ddadl wedi ei setlo mewn unrhyw ffordd. Roeddwn yn meddwl bod araith Angela Burns y prynhawn yma yn araith gwbl briodol i'w gwneud mewn dadl ynglŷn ag a yw treth yn syniad da ai peidio. Roeddwn yn meddwl bod y cwestiynau a ofynnodd yn gwestiynau hollol briodol, y math o gwestiynau y byddem am eu harchwilio, a rhai a ddylai gael eu hateb. Yr hyn rwy'n anghytuno â hi a'i phlaid yn ei gylch yw credu mai yn awr yw'r adeg y dylech geisio cau'r caead ar yr holl ddadl honno. Fel arfer, rwy'n gwrando'n ofalus iawn ar yr hyn sydd gan yr Aelod dros Fynwy i'w ddweud. Rwy'n meddwl mai dau bwynt yn unig y gallaf eu cymryd o'i gyfraniad y prynhawn yma. Gwrthwynebai'r syniad o dreth dwristiaeth ar sail tegwch - hyn gan blaid sy'n cyflwyno'r dreth ystafell wely ym mhob rhan o Gymru. Mae pob Aelod ar y fainc honno'n barod i ddweud wrth bobl sy'n byw yn eu hetholaethau ei bod yn berffaith deg iddynt dalu £15 yr wythnos am wely yn eu cartref eu hunain, ond mae'n debyg ei bod yn gwbl warthus i awgrymu y gallai rhywun sy'n dod i briodas yn Sir Benfro dalu £1 y noson i aros yng Nghymru fel rhan o'r ymweliad hwnnw. Yn hytrach, byddant yn cyrraedd pont Hafren sydd newydd ei rhyddhau, yn gwasgu'r brêc ac yn dweud, 'Roeddwn yn mynd i fynd i briodas yn Sir Benfro, ond gan y bydd yn costio £1 rwy'n credu yr af i un yn Henffordd yn lle hynny.' Hynny yw, mae'n hurt. Mae'n hollol hurt ac mae'n rhaid iddynt wybod hynny. Ond nid yn unig eu bod yn poeni am degwch, ond maent yn poeni am y ffin. Gwyddom eu bod yn poeni am y ffin gan fod Torïaid bob amser wedi ystyried mai prif fantais Cymru yw ein bod yn rhad. Dyna oedd holl sail eu polisi economaidd yn y 1980au - [Torri ar draws.]