English: Well, Simon Thomas lamented at the start of his remarks that there weren't many questions left to be asked and now there are even fewer, but I would like to join everyone else in welcoming this statement and actually congratulating the Cabinet Secretary on her willingness to engage with farmers and to listen to all views, and for the flexibility of her approach. I do think that this document, taken in the round, is a significant step towards the eradication of TB. There will, no doubt, be lots of complaints about individual parts of the package, but I think that, as a whole, it does represent very significant progress indeed, in particular the difficult political decision - I acknowledge that right at the outset - to envisage culling of badgers, be it of a limited kind. There is no unanimity on the value of this even within my own group, so I do understand the difficulties that the Cabinet Secretary has to cope with on this particular aspect of it. As regards regionalisation, I think this is a sensible approach and it will be particularly welcomed, of course, in north-west Wales. And there are, of course, fears in the farming community - in the high-risk areas in particular - that this is going to stain them, in a sense, and increase their costs and adversely affect prices. I think we must do as much as we possibly can to explain to the public at large, and others who are interested stakeholders in this, that this is not necessarily something that makes the meat and other farm produce that is produced in these areas unsaleable or inedible. I think it's very important to carry on with what the Cabinet Secretary has been doing, which is to take the farming industry with us in a collaborative venture towards the goal that we all want to see. As regards the compensation cap, I heard what the Cabinet Secretary said about - . Actually, I think the figure is only 95 animals that were involved last year, over £5,000. But there is a specific unfairness to individuals, particularly where they've invested significant sums of money in animal genetics. I'm pleased to hear that she'll keep this under review, and if it proves to be the case that individuals are losing significant sums of money, given the precariousness of farming incomes, I think it would be very welcome if this could be revisited as soon as there's enough information available. As regards the role of wildlife, I notice that the document does say that TB can infect all animals and some are regarded by veterinary experts as reservoirs, which can lead to a persistence of the disease. Of course, this particularly involves badgers. We know from the most recent Wales 'badger found dead' survey that there was an infection rate of nearly 7 per cent, which is much higher than that found in cattle, and in some areas of Wales about one in five badgers tested in this survey were shown to be suffering from the disease. I think it's very important that we should see this as an animal welfare issue for badgers and other wildlife, as well as for cattle, and it needs to be explained that TB is a horrible disease for badgers as well as for cattle and there are other issues involved with an explosion in the numbers of badgers as well. We accept that deer need to be culled. There isn't a great deal of controversy about that. Given that badgers have no known predators and there's been a collapse in the hedgehog population and significant problems with ground nesting birds, there are other reasons for the control of badgers as well. These are issues that, I think, which have to be faced up to if we are to have real biodiversity in the countryside. I know that's not directly relevant to this particular statement but it is an important part, I think, of the argument to try and bring the public with us on what is, I know, a very difficult issue. So, I'll just repeat what I said earlier on, that I do think that this is a step change for the Welsh Government in dealing with this problem and I congratulate the Cabinet Secretary for grasping this nettle.
Welsh: Wel, roedd Simon Thomas yn gresynu ar ddechrau ei sylwadau nad oedd llawer o gwestiynau ar ôl i'w gofyn ac erbyn hyn mae llai fyth hyd yn oed. Ond hoffwn ymuno â phawb arall wrth groesawu'r datganiad hwn, gan longyfarch Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet mewn gwirionedd am ei pharodrwydd i ymgysylltu â ffermwyr a gwrando ar bob barn, ac am hyblygrwydd ei dull hi o weithredu. Rwyf i o'r farn bod y ddogfen hon, o'i hystyried yn ei chyfanrwydd, yn gam sylweddol tuag at ddileu TB. Yn ddiamau, bydd llawer o gwynion am rannau unigol y pecyn, ond rwy'n credu, yn ei gyfanrwydd, ei fod yn cynrychioli cynnydd mawr iawn yn wir, yn enwedig y penderfyniad anodd gwleidyddol - rwy'n cydnabod hynny o'r cychwyn cyntaf - o ystyried lladd moch daear, er bod hynny mewn modd cyfyngedig. Nid oes unrhyw unfrydedd ar werth hyn yn fy ngrŵp i fy hun hyd yn oed, felly rwy'n deall yr anawsterau y bu raid i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet ymdopi â nhw ynglŷn â'r agwedd benodol honno ar y mater. O ran y rhanbartholi, rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ddull synhwyrol, a bydd croeso iddo yn benodol, wrth gwrs, yn y gogledd-orllewin. Ac mae'r gymuned ffermio yn ofni, wrth gwrs, - yn y meysydd risg uchel yn arbennig - fod hyn yn mynd i'w staenio nhw, mewn ffordd, a chynyddu eu costau nhw a chael effaith andwyol ar brisiau. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i ni wneud cymaint ag y gallwn i esbonio i'r cyhoedd, ac eraill sydd yn rhanddeiliaid â diddordeb yn hyn, nad yw hyn o reidrwydd yn rhywbeth sy'n gwneud y cig a chynnyrch fferm arall sy'n cael ei gynhyrchu yn yr ardaloedd hyn yn amhosibl ei werthu na'i fwyta. Credaf ei bod yn bwysig iawn i barhau â'r hyn y mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wedi bod yn ei gyflawni, sef dwyn y diwydiant ffermio gyda ni mewn menter ar y cyd tuag at yr amcan yr ydym i gyd yn dymuno ei weld. O ran y cap iawndal, clywais yr hyn a ddywedodd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am - . A dweud y gwir, rwy'n credu mai'r ffigwr oedd 95 o anifeiliaid yn unig ynghlwm yn hyn o beth y llynedd, dros £5,000. Ond mae yna annhegwch penodol i rai unigolion, yn arbennig pan maen nhw wedi buddsoddi arian mawr yng ngeneteg anifeiliaid. Rwy'n falch o glywed y bydd hi'n parhau i adolygu hyn, ac os yw'n wir bod unigolion yn colli symiau mawr o arian, o ystyried natur fregus incwm ffermio, rwy'n credu y byddai'n dderbyniol iawn pe gellid ystyried hynny eto cyn gynted ag y bydd digon o wybodaeth i'w chael. O ran swyddogaeth bywyd gwyllt, rwy'n nodi bod y ddogfen yn dweud y gall TB heintio pob anifail ac mae rhai yn cael eu hystyried gan arbenigwyr milfeddygol yn gronfeydd, a gall hynny arwain at y clefyd yn mynnu parhau. Wrth gwrs, mae hyn yn cynnwys moch daear yn enwedig. Gwyddom o arolwg diweddaraf Cymru 'mochyn daear wedi'i gael yn farw' fod cyfradd heintio o bron 7 y cant, sy'n llawer uwch na'r hyn a geir mewn gwartheg, ac mewn rhai ardaloedd yng Nghymru mae tua un o bob pum mochyn daear a brofwyd yn yr arolwg hwn yn dangos eu bod yn dioddef o'r clefyd. Credaf ei bod yn bwysig iawn y dylem ystyried hyn yn fater lles anifeiliaid i foch daear a bywyd gwyllt arall, yn ogystal â gwartheg. Mae angen esbonio bod TB yn glefyd ofnadwy i foch daear yn ogystal â gwartheg, ac mae materion eraill sy'n ymwneud â'r cynnydd mawr a sydyn yn niferoedd moch daear hefyd. Rydym yn derbyn bod angen difa ceirw. Nid oes llawer iawn o ddadlau am hynny. O ystyried nad oes gan foch daear unrhyw ysglyfaethwyr hysbys a bod cwymp mawr wedi bod yn niferoedd draenogod a phroblemau sylweddol gydag adar sy'n nythu ar y ddaear, mae rhesymau eraill dros reoli moch daear hefyd. Mae'r rhain yn faterion, yn fy marn i, y mae'n rhaid eu hwynebu os ydym am gael bioamrywiaeth wirinoeddol yng nghefn gwlad. Rwy'n gwybod nad yw hynny'n berthnasol yn uniongyrchol i'r datganiad arbennig hwn ond mae'n rhan bwysig, rwy'n credu, o'r ddadl i geisio cael y cyhoedd ar ein hochr ni gyda'r hyn sydd, rwy'n gwybod, yn fater anodd iawn. Felly, rwy'n ailddweud yr hyn a ddywedais yn gynharach, nad wyf yn credu bod hyn yn newid cyfeiriad sylweddol i Lywodraeth Cymru wrth ymdrin â'r broblem hon, ac rwy'n llongyfarch Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am fynd i'r afael â hyn.