English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Minister, I'm really keen to understand why it was that the seven previous reports into the issues at Cwm Taf hadn't raised concerns with you, hadn't brought you to the point where you eventually did take the action that you took. And I have to bring you back to the question of the integrated medium-term plans, because there were some plans that you chose not to sign off, you chose to sign off the Cwm Taf plan - only a month after that, the Royal College of Midwives and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists report was made public. When were you aware, Minister, of the content of that report? And can you explain to us - ? You've said to Angela Burns that you thought it was appropriate to sign off the plan, but can you explain to us, because I didn't really hear you answer Angela Burns in that regard as to - ? Did you know what was in that report? You'd commissioned that report, you knew there were problems - did you know what was in that report before it was published, before you signed off the plan? If it was appropriate for you to sign off that plan, why was it inappropriate for you to refuse to - ? Why did you refuse to sign off other plans for health boards where, apparently, there certainly were difficulties - don't let us talk about Betsi Cadwaladr - but, for whatever reason - ? I suppose what I'm trying to get to, Deputy Presiding Officer - forgive me - is things were obviously in part of Cwm Taf in a very serious state. You chose to sign off their plan. Things in other health boards were - there were clearly other difficulties: you didn't sign those off. Could you please give us a bit of insight into what was the thinking behind saying, 'Yes, we'll sign off Cwm Taf's plan, but we won't sign off these others'? What were they doing, or failing to do, that was so terribly wrong that made what was going on in Cwm Taf appear comparatively acceptable?
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Weinidog, rwy'n wirioneddol awyddus i ddeall pam nad oedd y saith adroddiad blaenorol ar y problemau ym mwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf yn destun pryder i chi, a pham na wnaethant eich arwain i weithredu fel y gwnaethoch yn y pen draw. Ac mae'n rhaid imi ddod â chi'n ôl at gwestiwn y cynlluniau tymor canolig integredig, gan fod rhai cynlluniau y dewisoch beidio â'u cymeradwyo, fe ddewisoch chi gymeradwyo cynllun bwrdd Cwm Taf - fis yn unig ar ôl hynny, cyhoeddwyd adroddiad Coleg Brenhinol y Bydwragedd a Choleg yr Brenhinol yr Obstetryddion a'r Gynaecolegwyr. Weinidog, pryd y daethoch yn ymwybodol o gynnwys yr adroddiad hwnnw? Ac a allwch chi egluro i ni - ? Rydych wedi dweud wrth Angela Burns eich bod yn meddwl ei bod yn briodol cymeradwyo'r cynllun, ond a allwch egluro i ni, gan na chlywais i chi'n ateb Angela Burns ar hynny o ran - ? A oeddech yn gwybod beth oedd yn yr adroddiad hwnnw? Roeddech wedi comisiynu'r adroddiad hwnnw, roeddech yn gwybod bod problemau - a oeddech yn gwybod beth oedd yn yr adroddiad hwnnw cyn iddo gael ei gyhoeddi, cyn i chi gymeradwyo'r cynllun? Os oedd yn briodol i chi gymeradwyo'r cynllun hwnnw, pam ei bod yn amhriodol i chi wrthod - ? Pam y gwrthodoch chi gymeradwyo cynlluniau eraill ar gyfer byrddau iechyd lle roedd yna anawsterau mae'n debyg - gadewch inni beidio â sôn am Betsi Cadwaladr - ond am ba bynnag reswm - ? Mae'n debyg mai'r hyn rwy'n ceisio'i ofyn, Ddirprwy Lywydd - maddeuwch imi - yw fod pethau'n amlwg mewn cyflwr difrifol iawn mewn rhan o fwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf. Fe ddewisoch chi gymeradwyo eu cynllun. Roedd pethau mewn byrddau iechyd eraill - roedd yn amlwg fod anawsterau eraill: ni wnaethoch gymeradwyo'r rheini. A allech roi ychydig o oleuni inni ar y meddwl y tu ôl i, 'Iawn, fe wnawn ni gymeradwyo cynllun bwrdd Cwm Taf, ond nid ydym am gymeradwyo'r lleill'? Beth oeddent yn ei wneud, neu'n methu ei wneud, a oedd mor ofnadwy o wael nes ei fod yn gwneud i'r hyn a oedd yn digwydd ym mwrdd iechyd Cwm Taf edrych yn gymharol dderbyniol?