English: Well, I disagree with the Member, Llywydd, because we come to targets reluctantly. It was absolutely not our first way of doing things, but we have tried - we have tried for nearly a decade all the other measures to which the Member refers. This Government has funded, repeatedly, year after year, initiatives to reduce the number of children taken into care here in Wales. We have provided money directly to local authorities, we have sponsored, through local authorities, the production of reports, such as the Cordis Bright report, that set out more than five years ago for local authorities in Wales the practical steps that they could take to reduce the number of children they take into care. We've funded other initiatives to do exactly the same thing, and yet, year after year after year, the number of children being taken into care in Wales goes up. It has gone up every year for 20 years. And the gap between the rate at which children are taken away from their families in Wales and that are taken away from their families across our border has widened every year as well. And Gwynedd is not immune from this. The number of children taken into care in Gwynedd has risen steadily year on year for the last four years. The rate at which Gwynedd takes children away from their families has risen year on year for the last four years. If Members here read last week the report of the rate at which children in Wales are taken away at birth from their families, they will have seen that Gwynedd does that at a faster rate than other local authorities in Wales. The idea that Gwynedd has nothing to look at and nothing to learn does not stand up to examination. Now, our targets are simply there to focus the minds of local authorities on this problem, and 18 of the 22 local authorities in Wales have agreed to do that. So, Gwynedd is in a small minority of councils who have not come with us on this journey. The targets are absolutely not there to prevent social workers from making right decisions, but they are there to focus the minds of local authorities on one of the great public policy challenges that we have in Wales, and a problem that is getting worse, and has got worse every year for 20 years. That's why we are doing it, and that's why it is the right thing to do, and that's why I'm grateful to the 18 local authorities in Wales who've agreed that this is the right way to tackle the problem.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n anghytuno â'r Aelod, Llywydd, oherwydd rydym ni'n troi at dargedau yn anfoddog. Nid dyna oedd ein dewis cyntaf o wneud pethau yn sicr, ond rydym ni wedi rhoi cynnig - rydym ni wedi rhoi cynnig am bron i ddegawd ar yr holl fesurau eraill y mae'r Aelod yn cyfeirio atyn nhw. Mae'r Llywodraeth hon wedi ariannu, droeon, flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn, mentrau i leihau nifer y plant sy'n cael eu rhoi mewn gofal yma yng Nghymru. Rydym ni wedi darparu arian yn uniongyrchol i awdurdodau lleol, rydym ni wedi noddi, drwy awdurdodau lleol, cynhyrchiad adroddiadau, fel adroddiad Cordis Bright, a nododd dros bum mlynedd yn ôl ar gyfer awdurdodau lleol yng Nghymru y camau ymarferol y gallen nhw eu cymryd i leihau nifer y plant y maen nhw'n eu cymryd i dderbyn gofal. Rydym ni wedi ariannu mentrau eraill i wneud yr un peth yn union, ac eto, flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn, mae nifer y plant sy'n cael eu derbyn i ofal yng Nghymru yn codi. Mae wedi codi bob blwyddyn ers 20 mlynedd. Ac mae'r bwlch rhwng y gyfradd y cymerir plant oddi wrth eu teuluoedd yng Nghymru ac sy'n cael eu cymryd oddi wrth eu teuluoedd ar draws ein ffin wedi ehangu bob blwyddyn hefyd. Ac nid yw Gwynedd yn ddiogel rhag hyn. Mae nifer y plant sy'n cael eu cymryd i ofal yng Ngwynedd wedi cynyddu'n gyson o flwyddyn i flwyddyn dros y pedair blynedd diwethaf. Mae'r gyfradd y mae Gwynedd yn cymryd plant oddi wrth eu teuluoedd wedi codi o flwyddyn i flwyddyn yn ystod y pedair blynedd diwethaf. Os darllenodd yr Aelodau yn y fan yma yr adroddiad yr wythnos diwethaf am y gyfradd y mae plant yng Nghymru yn cael eu cymryd ar adeg eu geni oddi wrth eu teuluoedd, byddan nhw wedi gweld bod Gwynedd yn gwneud hynny ar gyfradd gyflymach nag awdurdodau lleol eraill yng Nghymru. Nid yw'r syniad bod gan Wynedd ddim i'w ystyried a dim i'w ddysgu yn gwrthsefyll archwiliad. Nawr, mae ein targedau yno'n syml i ganolbwyntio meddyliau awdurdodau lleol ar y broblem hon, ac mae 18 o'r 22 awdurdod lleol yng Nghymru wedi cytuno i wneud hynny. Felly, mae Gwynedd mewn lleiafrif bach o gynghorau sydd heb ddod gyda ni ar y daith hon. Yn sicr nid yw'r targedau yno i atal gweithwyr cymdeithasol rhag gwneud y penderfyniadau iawn, ond maen nhw yno i ganolbwyntio meddyliau awdurdodau lleol ar un o'r heriau mawr sydd gennym ni o ran polisi cyhoeddus yng Nghymru, a phroblem sy'n gwaethygu, ac sydd wedi gwaethygu bob blwyddyn ers 20 mlynedd. Dyna pam yr ydym ni'n gwneud hyn, a dyna pam mai dyma'r peth iawn i'w wneud, a dyna pam rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r 18 awdurdod lleol yng Nghymru sydd wedi cytuno mai dyma'r ffordd iawn i fynd i'r afael â'r broblem.