English: We have had many discussions on exactly this point. I completely agree with the Howard League for Penal Reform. I've been a fellow traveller of theirs for many, many years. And that's exactly on the point of the discussion that we've been having. We are very keen to have the criminal justice system devolved as fast as possible, including the probation services. Probation services are absolutely essential to go with that, and this deflection from prison that we're talking about, you absolutely have to have those services in place and, actually, you have to have pre-criminal justice system provision in place, which is why we're looking to strengthen the youth service provision as well, because it's a set of things that go with this. We need to ensure that fewer children go into care as a result of their mother's imprisionment for something, as I say, no man would ever go to prison for, and that, where they have got to go to prison - or be in a secure facility, rather - they are in small, specially-built, women-centred ones close to where they live. Not just one in Wales, because that's no good if you live anywhere other than where it happens to be, but a network of those centres, exactly as Leanne Wood outlines, so that we can make sure that we get the best possible outcome not just for the women themselves, but for their children and families, who we know are impacted hugely by the wrong outcome. And I know the Cabinet Secretary - . I'm stealing his thunder a bit, because we've had this discussion - you know, we're at one on this. We completely agree with that agenda, and that's where we're trying to go with this.
Welsh: Rydym wedi cael llawer o drafodaethau ar yr union bwynt hwn. Cytunaf yn llwyr â Chynghrair Howard er Diwygio Cosbau. Rwyf wedi bod yn gyd-deithiwr iddynt ers llawer iawn o flynyddoedd. Ac mae hynny'n hollol ar bwynt y drafodaeth yr ydym wedi bod yn ei chael. Rydym yn awyddus iawn i gael system cyfiawnder troseddol wedi'i datganoli cyn gynted â phosibl, gan gynnwys y gwasanaethau prawf. Mae'r gwasanaethau prawf yn gwbl hanfodol i fynd gyda hynny, a'r gwyriad hwn oddi wrth y carchar yr ydym yn sôn amdano, rhaid ichi gael y gwasanaethau hynny ar waith ac, mewn gwirionedd, rhaid ichi gael darpariaeth system cyfiawnder cyn-droseddol ar waith. Dyna pam rydym yn ceisio cryfhau'r ddarpariaeth o wasanaethau ieuenctid hefyd, oherwydd mae'n gyfres o bethau sy'n mynd gyda hyn. Mae angen inni sicrhau bod llai o blant yn cael eu derbyn mewn gofal o ganlyniad i garcharu eu mam am rywbeth, fel y dywedaf, na fyddai unrhyw ddyn byth yn mynd i'r carchar amdano, a'u bod, lle maent wedi mynd i'r carchar - neu mewn cyfleuster diogel, yn hytrach - eu bod yn rhai bach pwrpasol, sy'n canolbwyntio ar fenywod sy'n agos at ble maent yn byw. Nid dim ond un yng Nghymru, oherwydd nid yw hynny'n dda i ddim os ydych yn byw yn unrhyw le heblaw'r lle mae'n digwydd bod, ond rhwydwaith o'r canolfannau hynny, yn union fel y disgrifiodd Leanne Wood, fel y gallwn wneud yn siŵr y cawn y canlyniad gorau posibl nid yn unig ar gyfer y menywod eu hunain, ond ar gyfer eu plant a'u teuluoedd, y gwyddom yr effeithir arnynt yn aruthrol gan y canlyniad anghywir. A gwn fod Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet - . Rwy'n dwyn ei glodydd braidd, oherwydd rydym wedi cael y drafodaeth hon - byddwch yn gwybod, rydym yn gytûn ar hynny. Rydym yn cytuno'n llwyr â'r agenda honno, a dyna i ble'r ydym ni'n ceisio mynd â hyn.