English: Thank you very much. I do urge you to support this amendment. Should we be able to expect, or should we hope to have, the clinical staff, the best possible doctors, nurses and so on, within the NHS? I think we should, and there are systems in place to ensure that standards are maintained. Should we expect and hope to have the best possible managers within the NHS? Yes, I would argue that we should, but we don't have the same systems in place to try to maintain those standards. What this amendment does is to create a register of NHS managers and a body with oversight of that register. We have made some changes since Stage 2 proceedings in order to ensure that that oversight body does have the ability to put competencies in place and to place sanctions on managers who fail to reach certain standards. In the case of nurses, doctors, midwives and other health professionals, there are regulatory bodies in place that insist on high standards, which have the ability to discipline staff if they fail to attain those standards, to put things right when standards are not attained, where there is negligence, and then it's possible to prosecute in accordance with those regulatory standards. But among managers, we don't have those arrangements in place that would ensure that we should insist on a particular standard. We have excellent managers within our health service in Wales, at all levels. We need to give those managers within the NHS pride. We need to celebrate good management. But if we do that on the one hand, then on the other hand we need to ensure that we have those tools in place and that we have systems that provide a yardstick, where we can say, 'Yes, this is the expected standard.' As we know, we have had too many experiences within the NHS in Wales over the years where managers have fallen way below the standards that we should expect of them. There are grave implications where managerial errors and mistakes have been made. And very often, we will see a manager moved on and taking another role in a health board without there having been processes followed, either to correct, to penalise or to bring sanctions into play, but mainly in order to improve standards. I understand that some preparation has been made in terms of the kind of system that we are suggesting here, and that this is something that the Government realises should be addressed, but, for some reason, there is an unwillingness, or there has been an unwillingness, to say, 'Well, that's enough of a throwaway attitude towards standards among managers - let us do something to correct the situation.' I don't think that we can drive standards up to do more with less, and to use resources far more efficiently, unless we have a mechanism in place to improve management. Although the Government will reject this amendment, I fear, I do truly believe that this is an area where the Government should be focusing on, and that this should have been a core part of the Bill, if the purpose of that Bill was to raise standards within health and care.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Dwi'n apelio yn gryf arnoch chi i gefnogi'r gwelliant yma. A ddylem ni fod yn gallu disgwyl neu obeithio cael y staff clinigol, meddygon, nyrsys ac yn y blaen, orau posib, o fewn yr NHS? Dwi'n credu y dylem ni, ac mae yna systemau mewn lle i sicrhau bod safonau yn cael eu cynnal. A ddylem ni fod yn gallu disgwyl cael, a gobeithio cael, y rheolwyr gorau yn yr NHS? Dylem, mi fyddwn i'n dadlau y dylem ni, ond does gennym ni ddim yr un systemau sy'n ceisio cynnal y safonau yna. Beth mae'r gwelliant yma yn ei wneud ydy creu cofrestr o reolwyr NHS a chorff i oruchwylio'r gofrestr honno. Rydyn ni wedi gwneud newidiadau ers Cyfnod 2 i sicrhau bod gan y corff goruchwylio hwnnw y gallu i osod cymwyseddau ag i osod sancsiynau ar reolwyr sydd yn methu â chyrraedd safonau. Yn achos nyrsys, meddygon, bydwragedd a gweithwyr iechyd proffesiynol eraill, mae yna gyrff rheoleiddio sydd yn mynnu safonau uchel, sydd â'r gallu i'w disgyblu nhw os ydyn nhw'n methu â chyrraedd y safonau hynny, i gywiro lle mae safonau'n methu â chyrraedd y safon, lle mae yna esgeulustod, ac yna mae'n bosib erlyn yn unol â'r safonau rheoleiddio hynny. Ond ymhlith rheolwyr, does gennym ni ddim y trefniadau hynny mewn lle sy'n sicrhau nad ydyn ni'n fodlon pan mae pethau yn disgyn yn is na'r ansawdd rydyn ni'n credu ein bod ni ei angen. Mae gennym ni reolwyr rhagorol o fewn y gwasanaeth iechyd yng Nghymru, ar bob lefel. Mae eisiau rhoi bri i'r proffesiwn hwnnw o fod yn rheolwyr o fewn yr NHS. Mae eisiau dathlu rheolaeth dda. Ond ar yr un llaw, os ydyn ni'n gwneud hynny, ar y llaw arall mae'n rhaid i ni sicrhau bod gennym ni'r arfau hynny a'r systemau hynny sydd yn gosod llinyn mesur, lle rydyn ni'n gallu dweud dyma'r hyn rydyn ni yn chwilio amdano fo. Mae gennym ni, fel rydyn ni'n gwybod, ormod o brofiadau o fewn yr NHS yng Nghymru dros y blynyddoedd lle mae yna reolwyr wedi disgyn ymhell o dan y safonau y dylem ni fod yn disgwyl ohonyn nhw. Mae yna oblygiadau difrifol wedi bod lle mae camgymeriadau rheoli wedi digwydd. Ac yn aml iawn, mi welwn ni reolwr neu reolwraig yn cael ei symud ymlaen, ac yn cymryd swydd arall mewn bwrdd iechyd, heb fod yna brosesau wedi cael eu dilyn un ai i gywiro neu gosbi neu i ddod â sancsiynau mewn, ond yn bennaf i wthio safonau ar i fyny. Dwi'n deall bod yna gryn waith paratoi wedi cael ei wneud ar y fath o system rydyn ni yn ei argymell yn fan hyn, a bod hwn yn rhywbeth mae'r Llywodraeth yn sylweddoli y dylid mynd i'r afael ag o, ond, am ryw reswm, fod yna amharodrwydd wedi bod i ddweud, 'Na, dyna ddigon ar fod yn ffwrdd â hi ynglŷn â'r safonau rydyn ni'n eu disgwyl ymhlith reolwyr - gadewch inni wneud rhywbeth am y peth.' Dwi ddim yn credu bod modd gyrru safonau i fyny, gwneud mwy efo llai, defnyddio adnoddau yn llawer gwell, heb sicrhau bod gennym ni fecanwaith ar gyfer gwella rheolaeth. Er mai gwrthod y gwelliant yma fydd y Llywodraeth, dwi'n ofni, dwi wirioneddol yn credu bod hwn yn faes y dylai'r Llywodraeth fod â ffocws arno fo, ac y dylai hwn fod wedi bod yn rhan greiddiol o Fil, os mai pwrpas y Bil hwnnw oedd codi safonau o fewn iechyd a gofal.