English: Diolch yn fawr, acting Deputy Presiding Officer. Can I just say how grateful I am to Jenny Randerson, as many others have already said, for tabling this important motion - [ Interruption.] Rathbone - I've gone into some kind of time warp. I'm very sorry, I've got my Jennys muddled up. I do apologise. But I'm really grateful to Jenny for tabling this and to everybody who has supported it. This is such an important issue and we've had so many really important contributions today. I can't possibly respond to all the points that have been raised, but I hope that people will forgive me if I begin with Suzy Davies, because I think that that level of openness and honesty about how these issues affect our lives is so important. And I think that when women such as ourselves, who have got roles in public life, who are seen, perhaps, as being successful and confident - if we talk openly about the impact of these kinds of issues on us, it will raise awareness and it will help empower other women to raise the issues in their own lives. So, I'm personally very grateful to Suzy for being so open and honest with us today. I think you were right to say, acting Dirprwy Lywydd, that this is an example of the Senedd at its best. So many issues have been raised: the impact - and Angela talked about this - of the physical agony, and many other people talked about that; the impact on our lives. I think Joyce Watson's point about the impact on women's working lives and the long-term economic effect that that can have over a whole lifetime, and others have raised that. Jenny began, of course, talking about the importance of awareness, and our motion is very clear about that. And before I mention others, I want to come back, if I may, to some of the Minister's comments. Now, it's very welcome that he acknowledges the issues with the number of referrals and the length of time it takes, and he emphasises the local health boards' responsibilities, and, of course, that is the case. But I'm glad to hear him commit today to writing to the health boards once again, because whatever has already been said, it's clearly not getting through. He tells us that the NICE guidance does give a clear pathway. Well, we've heard from Dr Dai Lloyd that that's not a pathway of which he, as a practising GP, was aware and was able to work with and deliver. So, there's obviously a lot of work to be done there in terms of awareness of that pathway. And I would suggest to the Minister that he may want to ask the women's health group to examine that pathway and see if it's fit for purpose here in Wales, or if there are other things that need to be done. I'm very glad that the Government is broadly supportive and understand that it's the usual practice for them to abstain, but I was a bit disappointed by what the Minister said about research, because there is a clear need for more research and he referred to that later in this contribution. And he says that there is no cure now. Well, of course there is no cure now. You know, decades ago, there were no cures for all sorts of illnesses that we cure now. And this comes back to the point that many speakers have made, and the Minister referred to it, indeed, himself: if this was an illness that affected and debilitated men in the way that it affects and debilitates women, we would've had that research and we would have a cure. And the Minister refers to the living with pain guidance. Well, I have to tell the Minister today that women suffering with this condition do not want their pain managed, they want it gone. And we desperately, desperately need more research to enable us - . Because there will be a physiological cause for this and where there is a physiological cause, there will be the capacity to intervene. And the Minister said himself that if this was a condition that men were suffering from, we would've had something done. Well, we need the research to have that done, and we don't just need research into pain management, though that's important in itself. So many really powerful contributions - Vikki Howells talking about the scale of the problem; Angela Burns, as I've said, talking about the way that it affects women's lives; Joyce again highlighting some sort of family experiences, the financial hardship. So many important messages coming out of the debate today. I'm glad to take from the Minister's contribution that he acknowledges that there is more work to be done. What I would say to him very, very clearly is that the cross-party group on women's health will be on the case with this. We will be following up the commitments that he's made, and where we feel that he needs to go a little bit further, we will push him. Because as we've heard from Suzy's contribution and as I know from the experiences of a very, very close friend of mine, this is not a condition with which women should be asked to live. We need a cure.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd dros dro. A gaf fi ddweud pa mor ddiolchgar ydw i i Jenny Randerson, fel y mae llawer o rai eraill wedi dweud eisoes, am gyflwyno'r cynnig pwysig hwn - [ Torri ar draws.] Rathbone - rwyf wedi disgyn i ryw fath o ystumdro amser. Mae'n ddrwg iawn gennyf, rwyf wedi drysu fy Jennys. Ymddiheuriadau. Ond rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i Jenny am gyflwyno hyn ac i bawb sydd wedi'i gefnogi. Mae hwn yn fater mor bwysig ac rydym wedi cael cynifer o gyfraniadau gwirioneddol bwysig heddiw. Ni allaf ymateb i'r holl bwyntiau sydd wedi'u codi, ond gobeithio y bydd pobl yn maddau i mi os dechreuaf gyda Suzy Davies, oherwydd credaf fod y lefel honno o onestrwydd a didwylledd ynglŷn â sut y mae'r materion hyn yn effeithio ar ein bywydau mor bwysig. A phan fydd menywod fel ni, sydd â rolau mewn bywyd cyhoeddus, sy'n cael eu gweld, efallai, yn llwyddiannus ac yn hyderus - os siaradwn yn agored am effaith y mathau hyn o faterion arnom, bydd yn codi ymwybyddiaeth a bydd yn helpu i rymuso menywod eraill i godi'r materion yn eu bywydau eu hunain. Felly, yn bersonol rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i Suzy am fod mor agored a gonest gyda ni heddiw. Credaf eich bod yn iawn i ddweud, Ddirprwy Lywydd dros dro, fod hon yn enghraifft o'r Senedd ar ei gorau. Codwyd cynifer o faterion: effaith - a soniodd Angela am hyn - yr artaith gorfforol, a soniodd llawer o bobl eraill am hynny; yr effaith ar ein bywydau. Pwynt Joyce Watson am yr effaith ar fywydau gwaith menywod a'r effaith economaidd hirdymor y gall hynny ei chael dros oes gyfan, ac mae eraill wedi nodi hynny. Dechreuodd Jenny, wrth gwrs, drwy siarad am bwysigrwydd ymwybyddiaeth, ac mae ein cynnig yn glir iawn ynglŷn â hynny. A chyn imi sôn am eraill, hoffwn ddod yn ôl, os caf, at rai o sylwadau'r Gweinidog. Nawr, mae'n dda iawn ei fod wedi cydnabod y problemau gyda nifer yr atgyfeiriadau a'r amser y mae'n ei gymryd, ac mae'n pwysleisio cyfrifoldebau'r byrddau iechyd lleol, ac mae hynny'n wir wrth gwrs. Ond rwy'n falch o'i glywed yn ymrwymo heddiw i ysgrifennu at y byrddau iechyd unwaith eto, oherwydd beth bynnag sydd eisoes wedi'i ddweud, mae'n amlwg nad yw'r neges yn cael ei chlywed. Mae'n dweud wrthym fod canllawiau NICE yn rhoi llwybr clir. Wel, rydym wedi clywed gan Dr Dai Lloyd nad yw hwnnw'n llwybr roedd ef, fel meddyg teulu, yn ymwybodol ohono ac yn gallu gweithio gydag ef a chyflawni. Felly, mae'n amlwg bod llawer o waith i'w wneud yno o ran ymwybyddiaeth o'r llwybr hwnnw. A byddwn yn awgrymu wrth y Gweinidog efallai y gallai ofyn i'r grŵp iechyd menywod archwilio'r llwybr hwnnw a gweld a yw'n addas i'r diben yma yng Nghymru, neu a oes pethau eraill y mae angen eu gwneud. Rwy'n falch iawn fod y Llywodraeth yn gefnogol ar y cyfan ac yn deall mai'r hyn sy'n arferol iddynt yw ymatal, ond cefais fy siomi braidd gan yr hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog am ymchwil, oherwydd mae'n amlwg fod angen mwy o ymchwil a chyfeiriodd at hynny'n ddiweddarach yn y cyfraniad hwn. Ac mae'n dweud nad oes gwellhad yn awr. Wel, wrth gwrs nad oes gwellhad yn awr. Wyddoch chi, ddegawdau'n ôl, nid oedd gwellhad i bob math o afiechydon y gallwn eu gwella bellach. Ac mae hyn yn dod yn ôl at y pwynt y mae llawer o siaradwyr wedi'i wneud, a chyfeiriodd y Gweinidog ato ei hun yn wir: pe bai hwn yn afiechyd sy'n effeithio ar ddynion ac yn gwanychu dynion yn y ffordd y mae'n effeithio ar fenywod ac yn eu gwanychu, byddem wedi cael yr ymchwil a byddem wedi cael gwellhad. Ac mae'r Gweinidog yn cyfeirio at y canllawiau ar fyw gyda phoen. Wel, rhaid imi ddweud wrth y Gweinidog heddiw nad yw menywod sy'n dioddef o'r cyflwr hwn am i'w poen gael ei reoli, maent am iddo ddiflannu. Ac mae arnom wir angen mwy o ymchwil i'n galluogi - . Oherwydd bydd achos ffisiolegol dros hyn a lle ceir achos ffisiolegol, bydd gallu i ymyrryd. A dywedodd y Gweinidog ei hun pe bai hwn yn gyflwr roedd dynion yn dioddef ohono, byddai rhywbeth wedi'i wneud. Wel, mae angen yr ymchwil i gael hynny wedi'i wneud, ac nid dim ond ymchwil i reoli poen sydd ei hangen arnom, er bod hynny'n bwysig ynddo'i hun. Cynifer o gyfraniadau pwerus iawn - Vikki Howells yn sôn am faint y broblem; Angela Burns, fel y dywedais, yn sôn am y ffordd y mae'n effeithio ar fywydau menywod; Joyce unwaith eto'n tynnu sylw at ryw fath o brofiadau teuluol, y caledi ariannol. Mae cynifer o negeseuon pwysig yn dod allan o'r ddadl heddiw. Rwy'n falch o gymryd o gyfraniad y Gweinidog ei fod yn cydnabod bod mwy o waith i'w wneud. Yr hyn y byddwn yn ei ddweud wrtho'n glir iawn yw y bydd y grŵp trawsbleidiol ar iechyd menywod yn mynd ar drywydd hyn. Byddwn yn cadw llygad ar yr ymrwymiadau y mae wedi'u gwneud, a lle teimlwn fod angen iddo fynd ychydig ymhellach, byddwn yn ei wthio. Oherwydd fel rydym wedi clywed yng nghyfraniad Suzy ac fel y gwn o brofiadau cyfaill agos iawn i mi, nid yw hwn yn gyflwr y dylid gofyn i fenywod fyw gydag ef. Mae arnom angen gwellhad.