English: Well, when it was agreed in the first place, there was a great deal of criticism in this Chamber that the Government had agreed, in principle, to secure this kind of agreement, but the agreement has succeeded. I do not doubt for a moment that there have been examples where we would have wished for greater collaboration. That is evidently clear. Things have improved over the latest period, but there was a suggestion that powers would be reserved. That hasn't happened. There was a suggestion that powers would be frozen. That hasn't happened. The United Kingdom Government has confirmed that for the second time. So, the Government's intention was to ensure that we had the kind of agreement that was practical and would enable us to do work in agreeing legislation and frameworks and so on, where they dealt with the devolved issues, and the agreement has succeeded to do that. I do not doubt for a moment that there have been examples where, in legislation and so on, we haven't had our ideal solution. Of course that hasn't happened. But that inter-governmental agreement named in the question by the Member has ensured that powers have been retained here, and that we ask the UK Government only to make amendments when they need to do that, when there is no difference with regard to policy between us and the Westminster Government. May I also say that there is more than one example of us having succeeded as a Government in ensuring that we have had more discussions? And there are more examples where our agreement is interrogated where the matters have not been devolved, but where they impact on Wales in other ways - so, there are examples of the Governments having gone further than the inter-governmental agreement.
Welsh: Wel, pan gytunwyd ar y cytundeb yn y lle cyntaf, roedd llawer o feirniadaeth yn y Siambr hon fod y Llywodraeth wedi cytuno, mewn egwyddor, i sicrhau'r math yma o gytundeb. Ond mae'r cytundeb wedi llwyddo. Dwi ddim yn amau am eiliad fod enghreifftiau wedi bod lle byddwn i wedi mo'yn mwy o gydweithrediad. Mae hynny, yn amlwg, yn wir. Mae hynny wedi gwella dros y cyfnod diweddaraf, ond roedd awgrym y byddai pwerau'n cael eu cadw nôl. Dyw hynny ddim wedi digwydd. Roedd awgrym y byddai pwerau'n cael eu rhewi. Dyw hynny ddim wedi digwydd. Mae Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig wedi cadarnhau eto, am yr eilwaith, nad yw hynny wedi digwydd. Felly, bwriad y Llywodraeth oedd sicrhau bod gyda ni fath o gytundeb a oedd yn ymarferol ac a oedd yn caniatáu inni wneud gwaith ar gyfer cytuno deddfwriaeth, cytuno fframweithiau ac ati, lle'r oeddent yn delio â materion wedi'u datganoli. Mae'r cytundeb wedi llwyddo i wneud hynny. Dwi ddim yn amau am eiliad fod enghreifftiau wedi bod lle dŷn ni ddim wedi cael, mewn deddfwriaeth ac ati, bethau y byddwn i'n eu disgrifio'n ddelfrydol. Wrth gwrs dyw hynny ddim wedi digwydd. Ond mae'r cytundeb rhynglywodraethol hwnnw, a oedd yng nghwestiwn yr Aelod, wedi llwyddo i sicrhau bod pwerau yn cael eu cadw yma, a'n bod ni'n gofyn i'r Llywodraeth yn San Steffan wneud newidiadau dim ond pan mae angen gwneud hynny, pan nad oes gwahaniaeth polisi rhyngom ni yma a'r Llywodraeth yn San Steffan. A gaf i ddweud hefyd: mae mwy nag un enghraifft lle'r ŷm ni wedi llwyddo, fel Llywodraeth, i sicrhau ein bod yn cael mwy o drafodaethau? A mwy o enghreifftiau lle mae ein cytundeb ni'n cael ei holi, lle nad yw'r materion wedi cael eu datganoli, ond lle maen nhw'n effeithio ar Gymru mewn ffyrdd eraill - felly, enghreifftiau lle mae'r Llywodraethau wedi mynd ymhellach na'r cytundeb rhynglywodraethol.