English: I don't disagree with what the Member has said at all. I think there definitely are points here about patient involvement in the design and delivery of services that make for better services in terms of their safety, but in terms of the experience and outcomes for people. I think that's absolutely true. And in terms of informed consent, I did have in my mind the issues around Cumberlege, because where consent is not informed and you take - . When I was a student, a law student, I did medical ethics and the law, we talked about a paternalistic approach to medicine, very much, 'The doctor knows best, and you will have things done to you that are in your interest and you need to agree to them.' Well, actually, that is not where we are, not where we should be, and yet you can see vestiges of that approach in parts of healthcare. So, there is learning for maternity services, not just in Cwm Taf Morgannwg, but across the whole service, and those learning opportunities will be taken up. We have a maternity network that will want to see what's happening in Cwm Taf Morgannwg to make their own assurance that they are doing the right thing as well. And there is a much broader point that you referred to as well that I completely agree with as well: informed consent isn't just for this part of our NHS, it is for the whole of the NHS. And we may well find in the future areas where that is not dealt with perfectly. The point, I think, is when you uncover that, when you find that it is there, you should address it and not try to wash over it and explain it away. That is how we'll get a safer service and a better service, and the service that we value so much, not just in the pandemic but through all times in the fortunate political lives we live.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn anghytuno â'r hyn y mae'r Aelod wedi'i ddweud o gwbl. Credaf fod pwyntiau yma'n bendant ynglŷn â chynnwys cleifion yn y gwaith o gynllunio a darparu gwasanaethau sy'n arwain at well gwasanaethau o ran eu diogelwch, ac o ran y profiad a'r canlyniadau i bobl. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n hollol wir. Ac o ran cydsyniad ar sail gwybodaeth, roeddwn yn meddwl am y materion yn ymwneud â Cumberlege, oherwydd lle nad yw cydsyniad ar sail gwybodaeth a'ch bod yn cymryd - . Pan oeddwn yn fyfyriwr, yn fyfyriwr y gyfraith, roeddwn yn astudio moeseg feddygol a'r gyfraith, buom yn siarad am agwedd nawddoglyd at feddygaeth, sef i raddau helaeth iawn, 'Y meddyg sy'n gwybod orau, a bydd pethau'n cael eu gwneud i chi sydd er eich budd chi ac mae angen i chi gytuno iddyn nhw.' Wel, mewn gwirionedd, nid dyna lle yr ydym ni, nid dyna lle y dylem ni fod, ac eto gallwch weld olion y dull gweithredu hwnnw mewn rhannau o ofal iechyd. Felly, mae yna bethau y mae angen i'r gwasanaethau mamolaeth ddysgu ohonyn nhw, nid yn unig yng Nghwm Taf Morgannwg, ond yn yr holl wasanaeth, a bydd y cyfleoedd dysgu hynny'n cael eu defnyddio. Mae gennym ni rwydwaith gofal mamolaeth a fydd eisiau gweld beth sy'n digwydd yng Nghwm Taf Morgannwg i sicrhau eu hunain eu bod yn gwneud y peth iawn hefyd. Ac mae pwynt llawer ehangach y gwnaethoch chi gyfeirio ato hefyd yr wyf yn cytuno'n llwyr ag ef hefyd: nid dim ond ar gyfer y rhan hon o'n GIG y mae cydsyniad ar sail gwybodaeth, mae ar gyfer y GIG cyfan. Ac mae'n ddigon posibl y gwelwn ni yn y dyfodol feysydd lle nad ymdrinnir â hynny'n berffaith. Y pwynt, rwy'n credu, yw pan ydych chi'n datgelu, pan ydych chi'n gweld fod hynny'n bodoli, dylech chi fynd i'r afael ag ef a pheidio â cheisio'i guddio a gwneud esgusodion amdano. Dyna sut y cawn ni wasanaeth mwy diogel a gwell gwasanaeth, a'r gwasanaeth yr ydym ni yn ei werthfawrogi gymaint, nid yn unig yn y pandemig ond ym mhob cyfnod yn y bywydau gwleidyddol ffodus yr ydym ni'n byw.