English: No, it isn't. I think we need to elevate the debate rather than try to reduce it. And, do you know, Jayne - ? I'm looking at you, Jayne. Janet, I would implore you not simply to read out a speech, but to appreciate what that means, and that goes beyond simply reading somebody else's words. And I think it's important - [ Interruption.] I think it's important that we have a serious conversation about where this is going. So, allow me to make progress, please. I appreciate what the new Government is seeking to achieve, and I appreciate and I very much agree with what both Ministers here have said, at different times, about what their ambitions and what their visions are. What I would say to them is this: keep a close eye. Quite often we talk about the deficient settlement that we have as being a bad thing, but in this case, actually, in energy terms, it means that we could have a much stronger focus on the community aspects of where we are. And my fear is that we would go down the road that Rhun and Janet have described, where we have very large-scale developments that are inappropriate for the places in which they are placed and located, and also inappropriate as to what we want to achieve as part of a wider climate policy and a wider community policy. For me, what I would like to see the Welsh Government focusing on is distributed generation; a focus on what a community can do in order to deliver generation, both for its needs and for the needs of the locality. I'm interested to understand how the Minister, in responding to this debate, will speak about how we can deliver the mechanisms and means necessary to have local generation providing energy for local needs, but also contributing to a grid. And I want to see the Welsh Government working at this. When I was doing some research on this recently, I realised that the last time the Welsh Government had uploaded any information on community energy to its website was five years ago. There's been very little work from the Welsh Government in the last Senedd on how we will deliver community energy. The evaluation of the previous community energy scheme, Ynni'r Fro, was quite mixed, but that's not necessarily a bad thing because lessons were learnt. Some of the mistakes that were made were made in seeking to deliver a scheme for the first time, and that's always going to happen. But we're not learning the lessons of that and applying it in a new way, with new schemes to support community regeneration. And, as a consequence, those of us who represent different parts of this country are put in the terrible situation of having to say, 'Yes, we support renewables, but do we really support the industrialisation of a community, the industrialisation of a landscape that at the same time we wish to protect?' And we don't want to be in that situation, but we are being forced into that situation because we don't have the rich energy policy that delivers the community generation and the distributed generation that means that we can achieve our climate ambitions, our energy ambitions, our social ambitions and our economic ambitions. And I believe that - . And I can see even without my glasses, Deputy Presiding Officer, that your patience is being exhausted. [ Laughter.] So, I will bring my remarks to a close, but I hope that the Minister in replying to this debate will, first of all, make a commitment to launch a community energy scheme as soon as possible within this Senedd and learn the lessons of past schemes; and will ensure that the machinery of Government that we have in place now, which I believe is a great improvement on what we've had in the past, will be able to deliver an energy policy that means that we achieve our ambitions, both in terms of our vision and how we seek to do that.
Welsh: Nac ydw. Rwy'n credu bod angen inni godi lefel y ddadl yn hytrach na cheisio ei gostwng. Wyddoch chi, Jayne - ? Rwy'n edrych arnoch chi, Jayne. Janet, hoffwn erfyn arnoch i wneud mwy na darllen araith, a deall beth y mae'n ei feddwl, ac mae'n mynd y tu hwnt i ddarllen geiriau rhywun arall. A chredaf ei bod yn bwysig - [ Torri ar draws.] Rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig inni gael sgwrs ddifrifol ynglŷn â ble mae hyn yn mynd. Felly, gadewch i mi wneud cynnydd, os gwelwch yn dda. Rwy'n deall yr hyn y mae'r Llywodraeth newydd yn ceisio'i gyflawni, ac rwy'n derbyn ac yn cytuno'n gryf â'r hyn y mae'r ddau Weinidog yma wedi'i ddweud, ar wahanol adegau, am eu huchelgeisiau a beth yw eu gweledigaeth. Hoffwn ddweud hyn wrthynt: cadwch lygad barcud ar bethau. Yn aml iawn, soniwn am y setliad diffygiol a gawn fel rhywbeth drwg, ond yn yr achos hwn, mewn gwirionedd, o safbwynt ynni, mae'n golygu y gallem ganolbwyntio'n llawer gwell ar yr agweddau cymunedol o ran ble'r ydym arni. A fy mhryder yw y byddem yn mynd ar hyd y llwybr y mae Rhun a Janet wedi'i ddisgrifio, lle mae gennym ddatblygiadau ar raddfa fawr iawn sy'n amhriodol i'r lleoedd lle cânt eu gosod a'u lleoli, a hefyd yn amhriodol o ran yr hyn y dymunwn ei gyflawni yn rhan o bolisi hinsawdd ehangach a pholisi cymunedol ehangach. I mi, hoffwn weld Llywodraeth Cymru yn canolbwyntio ar gynhyrchu gwasgaredig; canolbwyntio ar yr hyn y gall cymuned ei wneud er mwyn cynhyrchu ar gyfer ei anghenion hi ac ar gyfer anghenion yr ardal leol. Mae gennyf ddiddordeb mewn deall sut y bydd y Gweinidog, wrth ymateb i'r ddadl hon, yn siarad ynglŷn â sut y gallwn gyflawni'r mecanweithiau a'r dulliau angenrheidiol i gael cynhyrchiant lleol i ddarparu ynni ar gyfer anghenion lleol, yn ogystal â chyfrannu at grid. Ac rwyf am weld Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio ar hyn. Pan oeddwn yn gwneud ymchwil ar hyn yn ddiweddar, sylweddolais mai'r tro diwethaf i Lywodraeth Cymru lanlwytho unrhyw wybodaeth am ynni cymunedol i'w gwefan oedd bum mlynedd yn ôl. Ychydig iawn o waith a wnaed gan Lywodraeth Cymru yn y Senedd ddiwethaf ar sut yr awn ati i ddarparu ynni cymunedol. Roedd y gwerthusiad o'r cynllun ynni cymunedol blaenorol, Ynni'r Fro, yn eithaf cymysg, ond nid yw hynny o reidrwydd yn beth drwg oherwydd fe ddysgwyd gwersi. Gwnaed rhai o'r camgymeriadau wrth geisio darparu cynllun am y tro cyntaf, ac mae hynny bob amser yn mynd i ddigwydd. Ond nid ydym yn dysgu gwersi o hynny a'i gymhwyso mewn ffordd newydd, gyda chynlluniau newydd i gefnogi adfywio cymunedol. Ac o ganlyniad, mae'r rheini ohonom sy'n cynrychioli gwahanol rannau o'r wlad hon yn cael ein rhoi yn y sefyllfa ofnadwy o orfod dweud, 'Ydym, rydym yn cefnogi ynni adnewyddadwy, ond a ydym yn cefnogi diwydiannu cymuned mewn gwirionedd, diwydiannu tirwedd yr ydym am ei diogelu ar yr un pryd?' Ac nid ydym am fod yn y sefyllfa honno, ond cawn ein gorfodi i'r sefyllfa honno gan nad oes gennym bolisi ynni cyfoethog sy'n cyflawni'r cynhyrchiant cymunedol a'r cynhyrchiant gwasgaredig sy'n golygu y gallwn gyflawni ein huchelgeisiau hinsawdd, ein huchelgeisiau ynni, ein huchelgeisiau cymdeithasol a'n huchelgeisiau economaidd. Ac rwy'n credu - . A gallaf weld hyd yn oed heb fy sbectol, Ddirprwy Lywydd, fy mod yn profi eich amynedd. [ Chwerthin.] Felly, dof â fy sylwadau i ben, ond rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Gweinidog, wrth ymateb i'r ddadl hon, yn gyntaf oll, yn ymrwymo i lansio cynllun ynni cymunedol cyn gynted â phosibl o fewn y Senedd hon a dysgu gwersi o gynlluniau'r gorffennol; ac y bydd yn sicrhau y bydd peirianwaith y Llywodraeth sydd gennym yn awr, sydd, yn fy marn i, yn welliant mawr ar yr hyn a fu gennym yn y gorffennol, yn gallu darparu polisi ynni sy'n golygu ein bod yn cyflawni ein huchelgeisiau, o ran ein gweledigaeth a'r modd y ceisiwn ei gwireddu.