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English: Diolch yn fawr, Deputy Presiding Officer. I'm grateful to the Minister for providing today's statement. She will know this is of particular importance to me, as I was the Member who brought forward the successful motion in the previous Senedd to trial a universal basic income in Wales, and also the Member who chaired the cross-party Petitions Committee inquiry on the topic. I'm proud to stand here today, and proud of the fact that we are launching the basic income pilot in Wales, and I am proud to have played some small role within that. If I could speak to the committee's findings first, Minister, there were two points that stood out. Firstly, the need for responsible, reliable adult advice, guidance and support, and, secondly, the importance of the evaluation process. You have covered that in your statement, but I wonder if you can just give some more assurances to these young people. And finally, if I can look to my role as a Member - and I commend the leadership of yourself and the First Minister in particular on the basic income pilot, but do you agree with me that, whilst we do have differences with the UK Government, they should not stand in the way of the Welsh Government achieving their ambitions? I note that you wrote to the Minister in the UK Government. Will you commit to having those continued conversations with the Minister? And just finally, Deputy Presiding Officer -
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd. Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Gweinidog am gyflwyno datganiad heddiw. Mae hi'n gwybod bod y mater yn un hynod o bwysig i mi, gan mai fi oedd yr Aelod a gyflwynodd y cynnig llwyddiannus yn y Senedd flaenorol i dreialu incwm sylfaenol cyffredinol yng Nghymru, a'r Aelod a wnaeth gadeirio ymchwiliad trawsbleidiol y Pwyllgor Deisebau ar y pwnc. Rwy'n falch iawn o fod yn sefyll yn y fan hon heddiw, ac yn falch o'r ffaith ein bod ni'n lansio'r cynllun treialu incwm sylfaenol yng Nghymru, ac rwy'n falch fy mod i wedi bod â rhan fechan yn hynny. Os caf i sôn am ganfyddiadau'r pwyllgor yn gyntaf, Gweinidog, roedd dau bwynt yn sefyll allan. Yn gyntaf, yr angen am gyngor, arweiniad a chymorth cyfrifol a dibynadwy i oedolion, ac, yn ail, pwysigrwydd y broses werthuso. Rydych chi wedi ymdrin â hynny yn eich datganiad chi, ond tybed a wnewch chi gynnig ychydig mwy o sicrwydd i'r bobl ifanc hyn. Ac yn olaf, os caf i ystyried fy swyddogaeth yn Aelod - ac rwy'n cymeradwyo eich arweiniad chi a'r Prif Weinidog yn benodol am y cynllun treialu incwm sylfaenol, ond a ydych chi'n cytuno â mi, er bod gwahaniaethau rhwng Llywodraeth y DU a ninnau, na ddylen nhw allu rhwystro'r ffordd y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn cyflawni eu huchelgeisiau hi? Rwy'n nodi i chi ysgrifennu at y Gweinidog yn Llywodraeth y DU. A wnewch chi ymrwymo i gael sgyrsiau parhaus o'r fath gyda'r Gweinidog? A dim ond yn olaf un, Dirprwy Lywydd -
English: No, you've had over a minute, so - . I've got five other Members wishing to speak.
Welsh: Na, rydych chi wedi cael dros funud, felly - . Mae gennyf i bum Aelod arall sy'n awyddus i siarad.
English: Well, can I just thank Jack Sargeant, and particularly thank him for his chairing of the Petitions Committee and the recommendations that came from that committee? We've accepted them all in full or in part, and I think particularly those recommendations - . Guaranteed unconditional pay to the individual - unconditional - but also that care leavers should include care leavers from as diverse as possible a range of backgrounds, and that we should actually work with the UK Government. So, I have already given - . I will share my letter to the Secretary of State. I hope that she will respond positively and that we can overcome particularly the barrier that has appeared in terms of access to and eligibility for universal credit. But still, it would be good if they could reconsider taxing this basic income pilot. It will be a pilot that will be important to the UK Government. We are investing in these young people, and that investment will mean that they may then have less need for public services, such as the services that have to come forward in terms of homelessness, substance misuse and, indeed, unemployment, because we hope these young people will then progress in their lives in jobs, employment, education.
Welsh: Wel, a gaf i ddiolch i Jack Sargeant, a diolch yn arbennig iddo ef am gadeirio'r Pwyllgor Deisebau a'r argymhellion sydd wedi dod o'r pwyllgor hwnnw? Rydym ni wedi derbyn pob un ohonyn nhw'n llawn neu'n rhannol, ac rwy'n credu'r argymhellion hynny'n arbennig - . Tâl gwarantedig diamod i'r unigolyn - yn ddiamod - ond hefyd y dylai'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal gynnwys y rhai sy'n gadael gofal o ystod mor amrywiol â phosibl o gefndiroedd, ac y dylem ni weithio gyda Llywodraeth y DU mewn gwirionedd. Felly, rwyf i eisoes wedi rhoi - . Fe fyddaf i'n rhannu fy llythyr at yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol â chi. Rwy'n gobeithio y bydd hi'n ymateb yn gadarnhaol ac y gallwn ni oresgyn y rhwystr arbennig sydd wedi ymddangos o ran gallu derbyn credyd cynhwysol a'r cymhwysedd i'w gael. Ac eto, fe fyddai hi'n dda o beth pe gallen nhw ailystyried trethu'r cynllun treialu incwm sylfaenol hwn. Fe fydd yn gynllun treialu pwysig i Lywodraeth y DU. Rydym ni'n buddsoddi yn y bobl ifanc hyn, ac fe fydd y buddsoddiad hwnnw'n golygu y gallai fod ganddyn nhw lai o angen am wasanaethau cyhoeddus wedyn, fel y gwasanaethau sy'n rhaid eu darparu o ran digartrefedd, camddefnyddio sylweddau ac, yn wir, diweithdra, oherwydd rydym ni'n gobeithio y bydd y bobl ifanc hyn wedyn yn symud ymlaen yn eu bywydau gyda swyddi, cyflogaeth, addysg.
English: Thank you very much to you, Minister, and to the other Minister as well, the Deputy Minister, and to the people in your department who have worked so hard on this. I could speak for hours on this, and I realise I've only got one minute, so I'll speak very, very quickly. I'm fully in support of this pilot, as you will know. I met with a group of care-experienced young people a couple of weeks ago, and I would invite all of the Conservatives who don't believe in this to go and meet with care-experienced young people and hear their views. I would also invite the Labour Party in Westminster to adopt this as a policy, as have Plaid Cymru, ourselves, the Scottish Nationalist Party and the Greens. May I respond to you by saying I look forward to seeing whether we can get sufficient evidence to inform future expansions of this pilot and get more permanent schemes in place in Wales? And to the Conservatives I say: look at the evidence - the evidence all around the world that says that basic income actually improves lives, actually improves well-being. It's not about people just frittering money away. In 2009, 20 homeless people were given £3,000. They didn't fritter it away; they spent £800 of that on dictionaries, on learning and on finding accommodation. So, please, look at the evidence, Conservatives, and listen to the voices of children in care. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi, Gweinidog, a'r Gweinidog arall hefyd, y Dirprwy Weinidog, a'r bobl yn eich adran chi sydd wedi gweithio mor galed ar hwn. Fe allwn i siarad am oriau ar y pwnc hwn, ac rwy'n sylweddoli mai dim ond un munud sydd gennyf i, felly rwyf i am siarad yn gyflym iawn, iawn. Rwyf i'n llwyr gefnogi'r cynllun treialu hwn, fel y gwyddoch chi. Fe wnes i gyfarfod â grŵp o bobl ifanc sydd â phrofiad o ofal ychydig wythnosau yn ôl, ac fe fyddwn i'n gwahodd y Ceidwadwyr i gyd nad ydyn nhw'n cyd-fynd â hyn i fynd i gyfarfod â phobl ifanc sydd â phrofiad o ofal a chlywed eu barn nhw. Fe fyddwn i'n gwahodd y Blaid Lafur yn San Steffan hefyd i fabwysiadu hwn yn bolisi iddyn nhw, fel gwnaeth Plaid Cymru, a ninnau, Plaid Genedlaethol yr Alban a'r Blaid Werdd. A gaf i ymateb i chi drwy ddweud fy mod i yn edrych ymlaen at weld a fyddwn ni'n casglu digon o dystiolaeth i lywio'r gwaith o ehangu'r cynllun treialu hwn i'r dyfodol a chael cynlluniau mwy parhaol ar waith yng Nghymru? Ac fe fyddwn i'n dweud wrth y Ceidwadwyr: edrychwch chi ar y dystiolaeth - mae'r dystiolaeth ar draws y byd yn dweud bod incwm sylfaenol yn gwella bywydau yn wirioneddol ac yn gwella llesiant pobl. Nid yw hyn yn golygu dim ond pobl yn taflu eu harian nhw i ffwrdd. Yn 2009, rhoddwyd £3,000 i 20 o bobl ddigartref. Ni wnaethant ei daflu i ffwrdd; fe wnaethon nhw wario £800 ohono ar eiriaduron, ar addysg ac ar ddod o hyd i lety. Felly, os gwelwch chi'n dda, edrychwch chi ar y dystiolaeth, Geidwadwyr, a gwrando ar leisiau plant sydd mewn gofal. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Diolch i chi.
English: Diolch yn fawr, Jane Dodds. Well, I can't say anything more in response to Jane except to thank her for her support and also just to, again, look at the importance of the global evidence about basic income pilots. And I hope that the Conservatives will at least recognise that this is an opportunity for our care leavers, to give them hope, to open doors, to open opportunities for them.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Jane Dodds. Wel, ni allaf ddweud dim mwy wrth ymateb i Jane ac eithrio diolch iddi hithau am ei chefnogaeth hefyd, unwaith eto, edrychwch chi ar bwysigrwydd y dystiolaeth fyd-eang am gynlluniau treialu incwm sylfaenol. Ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Ceidwadwyr yn cydnabod o leiaf fod hwn yn gyfle i'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal yma, ac yn rhoi gobaith iddyn nhw, yn agor drysau, yn estyn cyfleoedd iddyn nhw.
English: Thank you, Minister, for the statement. I'm not trying to make any political points here. I have some grave concerns about this. As a corporate parent for 25 years through the local government sector, I do believe there is far more that local authorities can do. I know you described the packages of support that you were expecting from local authorities, but I genuinely believe local authorities should extend their parental responsibilities over the age of 18 and use the resources that you're looking to spend in this way to focus on real career paths and learning opportunities, with the creation of jobs - actual long-term jobs and careers. I'm really anxious about the drop-off at the end of the two years. There will be some people who manage this very well; there'll be others who are real casualties. And I'm really worried that there will be a lot of casualties as a result of this experiment. I hope it proves me wrong, because these are a very vulnerable, precious young group of people, and we should be treading very carefully in how we do this. But I think it should fall to local authorities to put in those packages of support as corporate parents and an extended corporate parental role. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch, Gweinidog, am y datganiad. Nid wyf i'n ceisio gwneud unrhyw bwyntiau gwleidyddol yn hyn o beth. Mae gennyf rai pryderon dybryd ynglŷn â hyn. A minnau'n rhiant corfforaethol am 25 mlynedd yn y sector llywodraeth leol, rwyf i o'r farn fod llawer mwy y gall awdurdodau lleol ei wneud. Rwy'n gwybod eich bod chi wedi disgrifio'r pecynnau cymorth yr oeddech chi'n eu disgwyl oddi wrth yr awdurdodau lleol, ond rwy'n llwyr o'r farn y dylai awdurdodau lleol ymestyn eu cyfrifoldebau rhianta nhw dros 18 oed a defnyddio'r adnoddau yr ydych chi'n bwriadu eu gwario fel hyn i ganolbwyntio ar lwybrau gyrfa a chyfleoedd dysgu gwirioneddol, gyda chreu swyddi - swyddi a gyrfaoedd hirdymor gwirioneddol. Rwy'n bryderus iawn ynglŷn â'r gostyngiad ar ddiwedd y ddwy flynedd. Fe fydd rhai yn gallu ymdopi yn dda iawn â hynny; ac eraill yn golledigion mewn gwirionedd. Ac rwy'n gofidio yn fawr y bydd llawer o golledigion o ganlyniad i'r arbrawf hwn. Rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y cynllun yn dangos fy mod i'n anghywir, oherwydd mae'r garfan ifanc hon yn werthfawr, werthfawr iawn ac fe ddylem ni ymlwybro yn ofalus iawn o ran ein dull ni o ymdrin â hyn. Ond rwy'n credu mai awdurdodau lleol ddylai gyflwyno'r pecynnau cymorth hynny oherwydd eu bod nhw'n rheini corfforaethol gyda swyddogaeth estynedig fel rhieni corfforaethol. Diolch i chi.
English: Well, thank you very much, Peter Fox. I hope that this basic income pilot will prove you wrong. Our local authorities are all behind this. I've met with the social workers, our young people's advisers, as Julie Morgan has, and the First Minister and myself last week. They see this as an opportunity to actually deliver on their responsibilities as corporate parents to young people leaving care. It's a real opportunity for them, and with the backing that we've got, the funding that we're putting in for the support package right the way through the pilot, and indeed the networking, I would like to say that I think care leavers in Wales would like to hear that you do want to look for the positives in this pilot. It would be great if that came from every part of this Chamber today.
Welsh: Wel, diolch yn fawr iawn, Peter Fox. Rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y cynllun treialu incwm sylfaenol hwn yn dangos eich bod chi'n anghywir. Mae ein hawdurdodau lleol ni i gyd yn gefnogol i hyn. Rwyf i wedi cyfarfod â'r gweithwyr cymdeithasol, ein cynghorwyr pobl ifanc, fel gwnaeth Julie Morgan, a'r Prif Weinidog a minnau wythnos diwethaf. Maen nhw o'r farn bod hwn yn gyfle iddyn nhw gyflawni eu cyfrifoldebau nhw fel rhieni corfforaethol i bobl ifanc sy'n gadael gofal. Mae hwn yn gyfle gwirioneddol iddyn nhw, a chyda'r gefnogaeth sydd gennym ni, y cyllid yr ydym ni'n ei roi ar gyfer y pecyn cymorth drwy gydol y cynllun treialu, ac ar gyfer rhwydweithio mewn gwirionedd, ac fe hoffwn i ddweud fy mod i o'r farn y byddai pobl sy'n gadael gofal yng Nghymru yn falch o glywed eich bod chi'n awyddus i chwilio am yr elfennau cadarnhaol yn y cynllun treialu hwn. Fe fyddai hi'n ardderchog o beth pe byddai hynny'n dod o bob cwr o'r Siambr hon heddiw.
English: Minister, can I thank you for this statement today? I think it demonstrates once again the determination of the Welsh Government to level up the life chances of looked-after children. Two brief questions. The first regards all of the advice that you outlined that will be available to care leavers regarding financial matters. Could you just assure Members that the young persons' advisers will remain the first point of contact for care leavers, and that they will be able to trust those advisers to offer the most relevant signposting, and that they won't have to offer an entire list of advisory services that care leavers should go to to get financial advice? It's absolutely essential that care leavers, with their advisers, choose the best avenue to pursue in gaining advice and support on financial matters. And secondly, Minister, upon completion of this pilot, should, through the evaluation, the benefits be seen as without doubt to be proven overwhelmingly to be in the interests of young people in having universal basic income for care leavers, will you commit the Government to look at maintaining this particular fund for care leavers in the future, regardless of what happens in terms of the pilot being taken up or otherwise by the UK Government? And may I also -
Welsh: Gweinidog, a gaf i ddiolch i chi am y datganiad hwn heddiw? Rwy'n credu bod hyn unwaith eto yn amlygu penderfyniad Llywodraeth Cymru i gynyddu cyfleoedd bywyd i blant sy'n derbyn gofal. Dau gwestiwn byr. Mae'r cyntaf yn ymwneud â'r holl gyngor a amlinellwyd gennych chi a fydd ar gael i'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal ynghylch materion ariannol. A wnewch chi roi sicrwydd i'r Aelodau mai'r cynghorwyr pobl ifanc fydd yn parhau i fod yn bwynt cyswllt cyntaf ar gyfer rhai sy'n gadael gofal, ac y byddan nhw'n gallu ymddiried yn y cynghorwyr hynny i gynnig y gwasanaeth cyfeirio sy'n fwyaf addas ar eu cyfer nhw, ac na fydd yn rhaid iddyn nhw gynnig rhestr faith o wasanaethau cynghori y dylai'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal fynd atyn nhw i gael cyngor ariannol? Mae hi'n gwbl hanfodol bod y rhai sy'n gadael gofal, gyda'u cynghorwyr nhw, yn dewis y ffordd orau o fynd ar drywydd hynny drwy gael cyngor a chymorth ynglŷn â materion ariannol. Ac yn ail, Gweinidog, ar ôl cwblhau'r cynllun treialu hwn, pe byddai'r cynllun, yn sgil y gwerthusiad, yn cael ei ystyried o fudd sylweddol iawn i bobl ifanc o ran bod ag incwm sylfaenol cyffredinol i rai sy'n gadael gofal, a wnewch chi ymrwymo'r Llywodraeth i ystyried cynnal y gronfa benodol hon i rai sy'n gadael gofal yn y dyfodol, beth bynnag sy'n digwydd o ran y cynllun treialu hwn yn cael ei fabwysiadu neu beidio gan Lywodraeth y DU? Ac a gaf i hefyd -
English: Diolch, Weinidog. I fully support the pilot as a step towards a permanent universal basic income. On 4 May, during social justice spokespersons' questions, I raised with you that young people leaving care often access semi-independent accommodation, such as flats in a complex, where a young person has their own independent space but has access to significant support to help make the transition to living independently. However, of course, this kind of accommodation is expensive to run and, as such, the rent can be high. But, previously, for many young people leaving care, rent would have been paid directly to landlords of this type of accommodation via housing benefit. I asked if Welsh Government was going to ensure that participants in the basic income pilot were financially supported to access the best possible support and accommodation and were not financially disincentivised from accessing supported housing. You responded by saying that you'd look at this particular point. So, I was wondering, Minister, if you could outline if this issue has been evaluated by Welsh Government, given what you've said about the DWP, and if you could make it clear that those on the basic income pilot will be able to continue to access supported accommodation.
Welsh: Diolch, Gweinidog. Rwyf i'n llwyr gefnogi'r cynllun treialu fel un cam ar y daith tuag at incwm sylfaenol cyffredinol parhaol. Ar 4 Mai, yn ystod cwestiynau llefarwyr cyfiawnder cymdeithasol, fe godais i gyda chi fod pobl ifanc sy'n gadael gofal yn aml yn cael cyfle i aros mewn llety lled annibynnol, megis fflatiau mewn cyfadeilad, lle mae gan unigolyn ifanc ei lety annibynnol ei hun ond ei fod yn gallu cael cymorth sylweddol i'w helpu i bontio i fywyd annibynnol. Eto i gyd, wrth gwrs, mae'r math hwn o lety yn ddrud i'w redeg ac, o'r herwydd, fe all y rhent fod yn uchel. Ond, yn flaenorol, i lawer o bobl ifanc yn gadael gofal, roedd eu rhent nhw mewn llety o'r fath yn cael ei dalu i landlordiaid yn uniongyrchol drwy fudd-dal tai. Gofynnais i a oedd Llywodraeth Cymru am sicrhau bod cyfranogwyr y cynllun treialu yn cael eu cefnogi'n ariannol er mwyn iddyn nhw gael mynediad at y cymorth a'r llety gorau posibl ac nad oeddynt yn cael eu datgymell rhag cael mynediad i dai â chymorth. Fe wnaethoch chi ymateb drwy ddweud y byddech chi'n ystyried y pwynt penodol hwn. Felly, tybed, Gweinidog, a wnewch chi amlinellu a yw Llywodraeth Cymru wedi gwerthuso'r mater hwn, o ystyried yr hyn a ddywedoch chi am yr Adran Gwaith a Phensiynau, ac a wnewch chi egluro a fydd y rhain sydd ar y cynllun treialu incwm sylfaenol yn gallu parhau i gael mynediad i lety â chymorth.
English: Diolch. That's a very important question, and I can say 'yes'; I can say 'yes' to all the points. Also, there will be the opportunity to look at whether they want their rent paid direct, as well as looking at their needs in terms of supported housing opportunities, both current and in the future.
Welsh: Diolch. Mae hwnnw'n gwestiwn pwysig iawn, a gallaf i ddweud 'ie'; Gallaf i ddweud 'ie' i'r yr holl bwyntiau. Hefyd, bydd cyfle i ystyried a ydyn nhw eisiau i'w rhent gael ei dalu'n uniongyrchol, yn ogystal ag edrych ar eu hanghenion o ran cyfleoedd tai â chymorth, nawr ac yn y dyfodol.
English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I really welcome this pilot and the statement today, focusing as it does on care leavers with the basic income. It will add, despite some of the doubters today, to that pool of international evidence, both in terms of basic income pilots but also on support for care leavers themselves towards an independent life as well. Just to build on the points that were made by my colleague Ken Skates, and touched on by others as well, when it comes to the evaluation of this, there are two interesting potentials. Well, there are three: one is that it doesn't work, and we say, 'Well, that's it. We're not interested in it.' But there are two others that may be more fruitful. One is the broadening and widening of this into a basic income that is genuinely more universal; the other one is the continuation of this. Now, I assume that it'll be for parties to look at this, and the success of this, and to say whether they want to put this into manifestos going forward on a wider scale. But what about the continuity of this for care leavers themselves? Is that something that we could indeed make a decision on before that point?
Welsh: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Rwy'n croesawu'r cynllun peilot hwn a'r datganiad heddiw yn fawr, gan ganolbwyntio fel y mae ar y rhai sy'n gadael gofal â'r incwm sylfaenol. Bydd yn ychwanegu, er gwaethaf rhai o'r amheuon heddiw, at y gronfa honno o dystiolaeth ryngwladol, o ran cynlluniau treialu incwm sylfaenol ond hefyd ar gymorth i'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal eu hunain tuag at fywyd annibynnol hefyd. I ddatblygu'r pwyntiau a gafodd eu gwneud gan fy nghyd-Aelod Ken Skates, ac y cyfeiriodd eraill atyn nhw hefyd, o ran gwerthuso hyn, mae dau botensial diddorol. Wel, mae tri: un yw nad yw'n gweithio, a dywedwn ni, 'Wel, dyna ni. Nid oes gennym ni ddiddordeb ynddo.' Ond mae dau arall a allai fod yn fwy ffrwythlon. Un ohonyn nhw yw ehangu hyn i incwm sylfaenol sydd wir yn fwy cyffredinol; yr un arall yw parhau hyn. Nawr, rwy'n tybio mai mater i bleidiau fydd edrych ar hyn, a llwyddiant hyn, a dweud a ydyn nhw eisiau rhoi hyn mewn maniffestos wrth symud ymlaen ar raddfa ehangach. Ond beth am barhad hyn i'r rhai sy'n gadael gofal eu hunain? A yw hynny'n rhywbeth y gallem ni yn wir wneud penderfyniad arno cyn y pwynt hwnnw?
English: Item 4 this afternoon is a statement by the Minister for Climate Change on building safety. I call on the Minister, Julie James.
Welsh: Eitem 4 y prynhawn yma yw datganiad gan y Gweinidog Newid Hinsawdd ar ddiogelwch adeiladau. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog, Julie James.
English: Plaid Cymru spokesperson, Rhys ab Owen.
Welsh: Ar ran Plaid Cymru, Rhys ab Owen.