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English: The question is that amendment 8 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 23, no abstentions, 27 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 8? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Symudwn i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 23, neb yn ymatal, 27 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd y gwelliant.
English: The next group is group 5, and this group relates to entitlement to individual development plans. The lead amendment in this group is amendment 29, and I call on the Cabinet Secretary to move and speak to the lead amendment and the other amendments in the group. Kirsty Williams.
Welsh: Y grŵp nesaf yw grŵp 5. Mae'r grŵp yma yn ymwneud â hawl i gynlluniau datblygu unigol. Gwelliant 29 yw'r prif welliant, ac rydw i'n galw ar yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet i gynnig y prif welliant ac i siarad i'r gwelliannau. Kristy Williams.
English: I call on the Cabinet Secretary to reply to the debate.
Welsh: Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i ymateb.
English: Could I assure Darren that, in approaching the legislation before me, I have certainly not taken the attitude of simply dismissing things out of hand because they've been tabled by opposition Members? I'm very grateful for the engagement by opposition Members throughout the course of this process, and, as we've seen by many of the votes here this afternoon, we've been able to arrive at a consensus on how to improve this legislation. However, in relation to Darren's amendment 13, we've made it very clear that we would not want to see support suddenly cease on somebody's twenty-first birthday. That's why section 32 is included within the legislation: to allow that person to continue their course to the academic year. I believe that the provisions within the legislation, as drafted, are fair to the learner concerned and other learners, both those not in an FEI in Wales and older learners who may have an ALN but would not get an IDP. I would urge Members to support amendments 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 35 and 47, which have been tabled in my name, and reject amendment 13.
Welsh: A gaf i roi sicrwydd i Darren, wrth ymdrin â'r ddeddfwriaeth ger fy mron, nad wyf i'n sicr wedi cymryd yr agwedd o ddiystyru pethau yn llwyr oherwydd iddyn nhw gael eu cyflwyno gan Aelodau o'r gwrthbleidiau? Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn am ymgysylltiad Aelodau'r gwrthbleidiau drwy gydol y broses hon, ac, fel y gwelsom ni gyda llawer o'r pleidleisiau yma y prynhawn yma, rydym ni wedi gallu dod i gonsensws ynglŷn â sut i wella'r ddeddfwriaeth hon. Fodd bynnag, o ran gwelliant 13 o eiddo Darren, rydym wedi ei gwneud hi'n glir iawn na fyddem ni eisiau gweld cymorth yn terfynu'n sydyn ar ben-blwydd rhywun yn un ar hugain. Dyna pam mae adran 32 wedi ei chynnwys yn y ddeddfwriaeth: i ganiatáu i'r person hwnnw barhau â'i gwrs hyd at ddiwedd y flwyddyn academaidd. Rwy'n credu bod y darpariaethau yn y ddeddfwriaeth, fel y'i drafftiwyd, yn deg i'r dysgwr dan sylw a dysgwyr eraill, y rhai nad ydyn nhw mewn sefydliad addysg bellach yng Nghymru a dysgwyr hŷn sydd o bosib ag ADY ond na allen nhw gael CDU. Rwy'n annog Aelodau i gefnogi gwelliannau 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 35 a 47, a gyflwynwyd yn fy enw i, a gwrthod gwelliant 13.
English: The question is that amendment 29 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Therefore, amendment 29 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 29? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Felly, derbynnir gwelliant 29.
English: The question is that amendment 9 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] We'll proceed, therefore, to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions, and 27 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 9? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Symudwn, felly, i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 24, neb yn ymatal, 27 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd y gwelliant.
English: The question is that amendment 57 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 57 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 57? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 57.
English: Group 6. This group of amendments relates to the definition of looked-after children. Amendment 10 is the lead and only amendment in this group. I call on Darren Millar to move and speak to the amendment.
Welsh: Grŵp 6. Y grŵp yma o welliannau yn ymwneud â'r diffiniad o blant sy'n derbyn gofal. Gwelliant 10 yw'r prif welliant - yr unig welliant yn y grŵp yma. Rwy'n galw ar Darren Millar i gynnig y gwelliant ac i siarad amdano.
English: Diolch, Llywydd. The purpose of the very simple and straightforward amendment 10 is to change the definition of a looked-after child on the face of the Bill. Section 13 of the Bill currently defines a looked-after child for the purposes of additional learning provision as a child who is, and I quote, 'not over compulsory school age'. But the Children's Commissioner for Wales has raised concerns that the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act has defined a looked-after child whom the local authorities have responsibilities for as a child up to the age of 18. She has argued that the difference between these two definitions could lead to some confusion, and could lead to looked-after children who should be benefiting from additional learning needs provisions finding themselves losing out when they reach their sixteenth birthday. I know that that's not the intention. I can see the Cabinet Secretary shaking her head, but I'm simply making the arguments that have been presented to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. The commissioner was also concerned that duties to prepare and maintain plans for looked-after children could automatically end after compulsory school age, even when it wouldn't be appropriate. She's recommended that the definition be changed to make it consistent with the definition in the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act, and that's why I've tabled the amendment today. I urge Members to support it.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Diben gwelliant syml a hawdd iawn rhif 10 yw newid y diffiniad o blentyn sy'n derbyn gofal ar wyneb y Bil. Ar hyn o bryd mae adran 13 y Bil yn diffinio plentyn sy'n derbyn gofal at ddibenion darpariaeth dysgu ychwanegol fel plentyn nad yw'n hŷn nag oedran ysgol gorfodol. Ond mae Comisiynydd Plant Cymru wedi codi pryderon bod Deddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) wedi diffinio plentyn sy'n derbyn gofal ac y mae'r awdurdodau lleol yn gyfrifol amdano fel plentyn hyd at 18 oed. Mae hi wedi dadlau y gallai'r gwahaniaeth rhwng y ddau ddiffiniad hyn arwain at rywfaint o ddryswch, ac fe allai olygu bod plant sy'n derbyn gofal ac a ddylai fod yn elwa ar ddarpariaethau anghenion dysgu ychwanegol ar eu colled pan fyddant yn cyrraedd eu pen-blwydd yn un ar bymtheg. Rwy'n gwybod nad dyna'r bwriad. Gallaf weld Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn ysgwyd ei phen, ond y cwbl yr wyf i'n ei wneud yw ailadrodd y dadleuon a gyflwynwyd i'r Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg. Roedd y Comisiynydd hefyd yn pryderu y gallai dyletswyddau i baratoi a chynnal cynlluniau ar gyfer plant sy'n derbyn gofal ddod i ben yn awtomatig ar ôl oedran ysgol gorfodol, hyd yn oed pan na fyddai hynny'n briodol. Fe wnaeth hi argymell newid y diffiniad i'w wneud yn gyson â diffiniad Deddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru), a dyna pam yr wyf i wedi cyflwyno'r gwelliant heddiw. Anogaf yr Aelodau i'w gefnogi.
English: Thank you, Llywydd. I've listened carefully to what the Minister's said, and it's certainly not my intention to cause confusion if somebody has gone off to college to do their post-16 studies. I think what we have to remember, though, is there's still a potential for confusion if that individual stays on at school to do post-16 education under the arrangements under the Bill, because, of course, the duty will transfer from local education authorities, potentially, to the governing body of a school, which still can potentially cause some conflict. So, you know, I think we both agree that neither of those things is satisfactory and that, clearly, there'll need to be some very clear statement in the code to be able to deal with these transitions, as it were, from becoming a looked-after child to becoming a young person when it comes to ensuring that there is additional needs provision in place. Given the assurances that the Minister has given, I'm prepared to withdraw, with the permission of the Assembly, this particular amendment.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Rwyf wedi gwrando'n ofalus ar yr hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog, ac yn sicr nid fy mwriad yw achosi dryswch os yw rhywun wedi mynd i'r coleg i wneud eu hastudiaethau ôl-16. Ond rwy'n credu mai'r hyn sydd angen inni ei gofio, er hynny, yw bod potensial ar gyfer dryswch yn dal i fodoli os bydd yr unigolyn hwnnw yn aros yn yr ysgol i wneud addysg ôl-16 o dan drefniadau'r Bil, oherwydd, wrth gwrs, bydd y ddyletswydd yn trosglwyddo o'r awdurdodau addysg lleol, o bosib, i gorff llywodraethu ysgol, a all o bosib achosi rywfaint o wrthdaro. Felly, wyddoch chi, rwy'n credu bod y ddau ohonom ni'n cytuno nad yw'r un o'r pethau hynny yn foddhaol ac, yn amlwg, bydd angen datganiad clir iawn yn y cod i allu ymdrin â'r cyfnodau pontio hyn, fel petai, o fod yn blentyn sy'n derbyn gofal i fod yn berson ifanc pan ddaw hi i sicrhau bod darpariaeth anghenion ychwanegol ar gael. O ystyried y sicrwydd a roddodd y Gweinidog, rwyf yn barod, gyda chaniatâd y Cynulliad, i dynnu'r gwelliant penodol hwn yn ôl.
English: The question is that amendment 10 be agreed to. Amendment 10 is being withdrawn, and so, if Assembly Members are content, then that amendment will be withdrawn.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 10? Gwelliant 10 sydd yn cael ei dynnu yn ôl, ac, felly, os ydy hynny gyda chydsyniad yr Aelodau, fe geith y gwelliant yna ei dynnu yn ôl.
English: The question is that amendment 58 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 58 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 58? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 58.
English: Group 7, then. This group of amendments relates to the education tribunal, and amendment 11 is the lead amendment in this group. I call on Darren Miller to move and speak to the lead amendment and the other amendments in the group - Darren Millar.
Welsh: Grŵp 7, felly. Mae'r grŵp yma'n ymwneud â'r tribiwnlys addysg, a gwelliant 11 yw'r prif welliant. Rydw i'n galw ar Darren Millar i gynnig y prif welliant ac i siarad am y gwelliant yma a'r gwelliannau eraill - Darren Millar.
English: Diolch, Llywydd. I move amendment 11 and want to speak to amendments 19 and 20 and 21, also tabled in my name, and I also want to speak to amendments 42 and 46, tabled in the name of the Cabinet Secretary. I want to put on record at the start of this debate that we will be supporting the Government's amendments, which relate to the sharing of information and the ability of the tribunal to be able to appoint a deputy chair. I think that they're both sensible amendments.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Rwy'n cynnig gwelliant 11 ac fe hoffwn i siarad am welliannau 19 a 20 a 21, a gyflwynwyd yn fy enw i hefyd, ac fe hoffwn i siarad hefyd am welliannau 42 a 46, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Fe hoffwn i ddweud ar goedd ar ddechrau'r ddadl hon y byddwn ni'n cefnogi gwelliannau'r Llywodraeth, sy'n ymwneud â rhannu gwybodaeth a gallu'r tribiwnlys i allu penodi dirprwy gadeirydd. Rwy'n credu bod y ddau welliant yn rhai synhwyrol.
English: I rise to support all amendments in this group, many of them formally, particularly the lead amendment - amendment 11. We must acknowledge that the Government has moved on the role of the tribunal and has introduced a number of amendments at Stage 2 to try and respond to the strong evidence that we received on the need for the education tribunal to have the power to direct health bodies in relation to additional learning needs. They have moved closer to what I would want to see, and what the majority of witnesses to the committee wanted to see, but the Government is still falling short in my view. Ministers have consistently reminded us that the narrative of this Bill and the broader package of reforms in terms of ALN is to make it easier and simpler for a child or young person and their families to actually find their way through the additional learning needs sector, that services should be child-focused, that the system works around the child, and that the child shouldn't have to work their way through a complex and multi-faceted system. Now, keeping two separate regimes for appeals or seeking redress undermines all of that, in my view. Extending responsibility for the education tribunal to include health bodies - only in relation to additional learning needs - would simplify things significantly, while everything relevant then would be included under a single tribunal. I would encourage Members to support amendment 11 specifically.
Welsh: Rwy'n codi i gefnogi holl welliannau'r grŵp yma, nifer ohonyn nhw'n ffurfiol, yn enwedig y gwelliant arweiniol - gwelliant 11. Mae'n rhaid cydnabod bod y Llywodraeth wedi symud ar rôl y tribiwnlys ac wedi cyflwyno nifer o welliannau yng Nghyfnod 2 i geisio ymateb i'r dystiolaeth gref a dderbyniom ni ar yr angen i'r tribiwnlys addysg gael y pŵer i gyfarwyddo cyrff iechyd mewn perthynas ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol. Maen nhw wedi symud yn nes at yr hyn rwyf am ei weld, a beth mae'r mwyafrif llethol o'r rhai a roddodd dystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor hefyd am ei weld, ond mae'r Llywodraeth yn dal yn fyr o'r nod yn fy marn i. Mae Gweinidogion wedi ein hatgoffa ni yn gyson mai naratif y Bil yma a'r pecyn ehangach o ddiwygiadau o safbwynt anghenion dysgu ychwanegol yw ei gwneud hi'n haws ac yn fwy syml i blentyn, person ifanc a'u teuluoedd i lywio eu ffordd trwy'r maes anghenion dysgu ychwanegol, bod gwasanaethau wedi'u canoli ar y plentyn, bod y gyfundrefn yn gweithio o gwmpas y plentyn, ac nad yw'r plentyn yn gorfod gweithio ei ffordd o gwmpas cyfundrefn sy'n gymhleth ac yn amlhaenog. Nawr, mae cadw dwy gyfundrefn ar wahân ar gyfer apêl neu geisio iawn am rywbeth yn tanseilio hynny'n llwyr yn fy marn i. Mi fyddai estyn cyfrifoldeb y tribiwnlys addysg i gynnwys cyrff y gwasanaeth iechyd - dim ond, wrth gwrs, mewn perthynas ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol - yn symleiddio pethau yn sylweddol, gan fod pob dim perthnasol, wrth gwrs, wedyn yn dod o dan un tribiwnlys. Mi fyddwn i'n annog Aelodau i gefnogi gwelliant 11 yn benodol.
English: The question is that amendment 11 be agreed. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions, 27 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 11? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Symudwn i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 24, neb yn ymatal, 27 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd y gwelliant.
English: Cabinet Secretary, amendment 30.
Welsh: Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, gwelliant 30.
English: The question is that amendment 30 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 30 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 30? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 30.
English: The question is that amendment 31 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 31 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 31? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 31.
English: The question is that amendment 32 be agreed to. Does anyone object? Amendment 32 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 32? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 32.
English: The question is that amendment 13 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions and 27 against. Therefore, amendment 13 is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 13? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Symudwn i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 24, neb yn ymatal a 27 yn erbyn. Ac felly, gwrthodwyd gwelliant 13.
English: The question is that amendment 33 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 33 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 33.? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 33.
English: The question is that amendment 34 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 34 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 34? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 34.
English: The question is that amendment 14 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions and 27 against, and therefore amendment 14 is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 14? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Symudwn i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 24, neb yn ymatal, 27 yn erbyn, ac felly gwrthodwyd gwelliant 14.
English: The question is that amendment 15 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] We'll proceed to an electronic vote. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions and 27 against, and therefore amendment 15 is not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 15? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Symudwn i bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 24, neb yn ymatal, 27 yn erbyn, ac felly gwrthodwyd gwelliant 15.
English: Cabinet Secretary, amendment 35.
Welsh: Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, gwelliant 35.
English: The question is that amendment 35 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 35 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 35? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 35.
English: The next group of amendments is the group relating to mental health detention. Amendment 62 is the lead amendment i n this group. I call on Darren Millar to move and speak to the lead amendment and the other amendments in the group - Darren Millar.
Welsh: Y grŵp nesaf o welliannau yw'r grŵp hynny am gadw'n gaeth am resymau iechyd meddwl. Gwelliant 62 yw'r prif welliant. Rydw i'n galw ar Darren Millar i gynnig y prif welliant ac i siarad i'r gwelliant yma a'r gwelliannau eraill - Darren Millar.
English: I'm very grateful for the Cabinet Secretary's remarks. I think it is important that this issue is addressed and that's why I've been prepared to work with the Government to do so in a way which allows for further consideration of the matter through more scrutiny, if you like, to ensure that these important issues are addressed. I very much hope the Members will support the amendments.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn am sylwadau Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Rwyf i o'r farn ei bod yn bwysig rhoi sylw i'r mater hwn a dyna pam yr wyf wedi bod yn barod i weithio gyda'r Llywodraeth i wneud hynny mewn modd sy'n caniatáu ystyriaeth bellach o'r mater drwy ragor o graffu, os mynnwch chi, i sicrhau y rhoddir sylw i'r materion pwysig hyn. Rwy'n mawr obeithio y bydd yr Aelodau yn cefnogi'r gwelliannau.
English: If amendment 62 is not agreed to, amendment 63 falls. So, the question is that amendment 62 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 62 is agreed.
Welsh: Os na dderbynnir gwelliant 62, bydd gwelliant 63 yn methu. Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 62? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 62.
English: The question is that amendment 61 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 61 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 61? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 61.
English: The next group of amendments is group 9, relating to charging under Part 2 provisions. Amendment 36 is the lead amendment in this group, and I call on the Cabinet Secretary to move and speak to the lead amendment and other amendments.
Welsh: Y grŵp nesaf o welliannau yw grŵp 9, sydd yn ymwneud â chodi tâl o dan ddarpariaethau Rhan 2. Gwelliant 36 yw'r prif welliant. Galwaf ar yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet i siarad i'r gwelliant yma a'r gwelliannau eraill.
English: May I thank the Cabinet Secretary for the clarity that she has provided on this? I did raise the need for more clarity in section 65, in terms of charging for independent advocacy services during Stage 2, and the Minister agreed at that point to look again at the wording. In light of the Cabinet Secretary's comments, I am happy not to move amendments 59 and 60 when we get to that point.
Welsh: A gaf i ddiolch i'r Ysgrifennydd Cabinet am yr eglurder mae hi wedi ei roi ar hyn? Mi wnes i godi'r angen am well eglurder yn adran 65 ar y mater o dalu am wasanaethau eirioli annibynnol yn ystod Cyfnod 2, ac fe gytunodd y Gweinidog ar y pryd i edrych eto ar y geiriad. Yn sgil sylwadau'r Ysgrifennydd Cabinet, rydw i'n ddigon hapus i beidio â chynnig gwelliannau 59 a 60 pan ddown ni atyn nhw.
English: Cabinet Secretary
Welsh: Yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet.
English: No further comments, but to thank Llyr for his work in this area. Thank you.
Welsh: Dim rhagor o sylwadau, dim ond diolch i Llyr am ei waith yn y maes hwn. Diolch.
English: The question is that amendment 36 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Therefore, amendment 36 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 36? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Felly, derbynnir gwelliant 36.
English: The question is that amendment 37 be agreed to. Does any Member object? Amendment 37 is agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 37? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? Derbyniwyd gwelliant 37.
English: Perhaps I am the only Member disappointed by that, I don't know. I just wanted to put on record that I am happy to support the amendments in this group and have done so formally. I won't rehearse the points already touched upon, but I would just say that, previously, the Government has said that they are reluctant to extend this Bill into the private sector when it comes to training providers and work-based training providers, particularly, but, of course, they have done that in terms of nurseries that are in receipt of public funds, and the same principle exists here. That is, there are training providers that receive public funds too, and therefore I do believe that some consistency would be welcome here. And Estyn have also told us, during our evidence gathering, that if you do look at the principle underpinning the Bill, Estyn says that it is difficult to see why this specific group of learners shouldn't be included. Therefore, I would ask Members to carefully consider the need to support these amendments - not to include work-based training providers within the remit of the Act, but at least to allow Welsh Ministers to do that by Order at some point in the future.
Welsh: Efallai mai fi yw'r unig Aelod sy'n flin ynglŷn â hynny, efallai, nid ydw i'n gwybod. Diolch, Llywydd. Rydw i jest eisiau rhoi ar record fy mod i'n hapus i gefnogi'r gwelliannau yn y grŵp yma ac wedi gwneud hynny yn ffurfiol. Ni wnaf i ailadrodd y pwyntiau sydd eisoes wedi cael eu cyffwrdd â nhw, dim ond i ddweud: yn flaenorol, mae'r Llywodraeth wedi dweud eu bod nhw'n gyndyn i estyn agweddau ar y Bil yma i mewn i'r sector preifat pan mae'n dod i ddarparwyr hyfforddiant yn seiliedig ar waith, ond, wrth gwrs, maen nhw wedi gwneud hynny o safbwynt meithrinfeydd, sydd yn derbyn arian cyhoeddus, a'r un egwyddor sydd yn y fan hyn. Hynny yw, mae yna ddarparwyr hyfforddiant yn seiliedig ar waith sydd yn derbyn arian cyhoeddus hefyd, felly rydw i yn meddwl y byddai ychydig o gysondeb yn rhywbeth i'w groesawu. Ac mae Estyn, wrth gwrs, hefyd wedi dweud wrthym mi, yng nghwrs y dystiolaeth rydym ni wedi'i derbyn, os ydych chi'n edrych ar yr egwyddor y tu ôl i'r Bil yna, meddai Estyn, mae'n anodd gweld pam na ddylid cynnwys y grŵp penodol yma o ddysgwyr hefyd. Felly, mi fyddwn i yn gofyn i Aelodau ystyried yn ofalus yr angen i gefnogi'r gwelliannau yma - nid i gynnwys darparwyr dysgu seiliedig ar waith o fewn y Ddeddf o reidrwydd, ond o leiaf er mwyn caniatáu i Weinidogion Cymru wneud hynny drwy Orchymyn ar ryw bwynt yn y dyfodol.