English: I've been a member of this Assembly now for almost seven years, and there have been two debates that have been ongoing throughout that entire period of time. One has been the metro - and I was very privileged to be able to lead the first individual Member's debate on that issue - and the other is the M4 relief road. I was also a member of the environment committee. I see there are a number of members of that here. We spent a considerable amount of time, I remember, in the last Assembly, going through very, very carefully the issue of the M4 relief road, the impact - environmental, the issues with traffic, the issues with sustainable transport and so on. There'll be those who remember the anger at the time when just before the committee was about to publish its findings, Welsh Government actually announced that it was going to go for the black route - a decision that I think I said at the time undermined that report and the actual work that went on in this committee to look at all those particular options. Of course, then the potential cost was between £350 million to £1 billion, depending upon which particular routes were being talked about. And we are now talking about - if we're totally honest about it - by the time of conclusion and drift and so on, a £2 billion project. It has become an economic juggernaut that, in my view, is out of control. And if we want to talk about congestion, you will have seen a report yesterday that the A470 is in fact the most congested road in Wales. I'm not asking for a bypass to the A470, but, of course, I have been asking for the new rail link as part of the metro to Llantrisant to get people off the roads. We have given a commitment, a fundamental commitment to the metro, to sustainable integrated transport. We've given a commitment to the people of the Valleys that the stranghlehold around there - with the growth of housing all around the Taff Ely area, the outsides of Cardiff, and in the Valleys - would actually be partly resolved by our transformational commitment to the metro. My big concern is: where is the capital if we were to go ahead with, effectively, a £2 billion project? I do not want the metro to effectively become the equivalent of the Loch Ness monster - everyone has seen a picture of it but no-one knows whether it actually exists or not. That's my concern. I've given commitments to my constituents, we've given commitments in our manifestos, and I think there is time now to actually stand back and to review where we are, bearing in mind the scale of this project, where it stands and what its implications are for all our other commitments. It may be that I don't win those arguments in due course, but I think we have to have that particular debate. We have to actually have the opportunity to discuss something that is on this scale. What I'm seeking, really, is the assurance from Government that there will be that particular debate, that it will take place -
Welsh: Rwyf wedi bod yn aelod o'r Cynulliad hwn bellach ers bron i saith mlynedd, a chafwyd dwy ddadl sydd wedi bod yn mynd rhagddynt drwy gydol y cyfnod cyfan hwnnw. Un yw'r metro - ac roedd yn fraint fawr i allu arwain y ddadl Aelod unigol gyntaf ar y mater hwnnw - a'r llall yw ffordd liniaru'r M4. Roeddwn hefyd yn aelod o bwyllgor yr amgylchedd. Gwelaf fod nifer o aelodau'r pwyllgor hwnnw yma. Treuliasom gryn dipyn o amser, rwy'n cofio, yn y Cynulliad diwethaf, yn mynd drwy fater ffordd liniaru'r M4 yn ofalus tu hwnt, yr effaith - amgylcheddol, materion gyda'r traffig, problemau gyda thrafnidiaeth cynaliadwy ac ati. Bydd rhai ohonoch yn cofio'r dicter ar y pryd pan gyhoeddodd Llywodraeth Cymru, ychydig cyn i'r pwyllgor gyhoeddi ei ganfyddiadau, ei bod yn dewis y llwybr du - ac rwy'n credu fy mod wedi dweud ar y pryd fod y penderfyniad hwnnw'n tanseilio'r adroddiad a'r gwaith a ddigwyddodd yn y pwyllgor hwn i edrych ar yr holl opsiynau penodol hynny. Wrth gwrs, ar y pryd roedd y gost bosibl rhwng £350 miliwn ac £1 biliwn, yn dibynnu ar ba lwybrau penodol a gâi eu trafod. Ac yn awr rydym yn sôn - os ydym yn gwbl onest - erbyn ei gorffen a drifft ac ati, am brosiect £2 biliwn. Mae wedi tyfu'n jygarnot economaidd sydd, yn fy marn i, allan o reolaeth. Ac os ydym am sôn am dagfeydd, fe fyddwch wedi gweld adroddiad ddoe mai'r A470 yw'r ffordd fwyaf prysur yng Nghymru mewn gwirionedd. Nid wyf yn gofyn am ffordd osgoi i'r A470, ond wrth gwrs, rwyf wedi bod yn gofyn am y cyswllt rheilffordd newydd fel rhan o'r metro i Lantrisant er mwyn tynnu pobl oddi ar y ffyrdd. Rydym wedi rhoi ymrwymiad, ymrwymiad sylfaenol i'r metro, i drafnidiaeth integredig gynaliadwy. Rydym wedi rhoi ymrwymiad i bobl y Cymoedd y byddai'r dagfa yno - gyda'r cynnydd yn nifer y tai ledled ardal Taf Elái, ar gyrion Caerdydd, ac yn y Cymoedd - yn cael ei datrys yn rhannol gan ein hymrwymiad trawsnewidiol i'r metro. Fy mhryder mawr yw: lle mae'r cyfalaf pe baem yn bwrw ymlaen â phrosiect sy'n £2 biliwn fwy neu lai? Nid wyf am i'r metro ddod i gyfateb i anghenfil Loch Ness i bob pwrpas - mae pawb wedi gweld llun ohono ond nid oes neb yn gwybod a yw'n bodoli mewn gwirionedd ai peidio. Dyna fy mhryder. Rwyf wedi rhoi ymrwymiadau i fy etholwyr, rydym wedi rhoi ymrwymiadau yn ein maniffesto, a chredaf fod amser yn awr i gamu'n ôl ac adolygu lle rydym, o gofio maint y prosiect hwn, lle mae arni a beth yw ei oblygiadau ar ein holl ymrwymiadau eraill. Efallai na fyddaf yn ennill y dadleuon hynny maes o law, ond credaf fod yn rhaid inni gael y ddadl honno. Rhaid inni gael cyfle i drafod rhywbeth sydd ar y raddfa hon. Yr hyn rwy'n ei geisio, mewn gwirionedd, yw sicrwydd gan y Llywodraeth y bydd y ddadl benodol honno'n digwydd -