English: Well, I must follow the Minister's inspiring observation that, you know, perhaps this is the world that will now mark the next 20 years of devolution, where we debate subjects on which we have broad agreement, but subjects that are still critical to our society - and in this case the economy and creative industries. But, can I thank everyone who has taken part in this debate? It's been a really interesting, informative and generous debate. Janet started the contributions, and emphasised the entertainment value that people find from games - and they are greatly liberating for so many people. I mean, it's no wonder that they are so valued and enjoyed by people. Then, she looked at some of the UK statistics, which I had not specifically highlighted myself, and NewZoo's estimation of a 6.5 million audience in the UK. She was the first of several speakers to talk about the jobs potential that there is in the future. Jack Sargeant looked at the growth of the UK market, and really got practical and called for an Assembly competition on FIFA. Darren - that would be the derby match really, from neighbouring areas of north Wales. I thought Jack made a really important point: in fairness to the Welsh Government, it has a record of some success in hosting major events, and we should remember that this also is an area that would be worthy of such support. Nick Ramsay said that his knowledge was limited but growing in this area, and then delivered a most accomplished, comprehensive speech, which took us to the Bazalgette review and the importance of that really comprehensive report. Again, that's not something that I referred to, but I do think it's an excellent piece of work. And he talked about the importance of infrastructure, superfast broadband, and then he also mentioned the importance of STEM, which was taken up by other speakers as well. The secrets were now gushing all of a sudden, and Rhun said that he's an e-gamer and he occasionally beats his 15-year-old son in FIFA. So, perhaps he'll give us more details about where he is in that particular league. But, anyway, perhaps I shouldn't intrude into family competition. And how much the world has moved away from Subbuteo at the BBC. I have to say I thought that was a lovely image. And Llyr intervened on him and talked about a recent visit he made to a college where the students were developing a game, and just seeing the range of skills that that required, I think that was a very vivid example. Oscar spent most time on the issue of STEM, reflecting his long-standing interest in skills and the importance of decision making, problem solving, as well as the technical skills and the need to narrow the skills gap. And there is clear applicability here in terms of students picking up these skills whilst doing something they really enjoy. And I think there's a key opportunity for that, including involving women, who are often very poorly represented in the study of STEM subjects. Caroline also said that she was new to the subject, but immediately saw its potential as part of a creative industry. I think it's fair that, of all the speakers, Caroline was the most laissez-faire in her approach, welcoming the growth from the grassroots up and warning against too much governmental activity. But I do think that this is an area where the market is expanding, where it's not crowded at the moment. There's an awful lot of potential there, so we've got to get ahead, and Government does have a role to play there, as we're seeing with the likes of the Bazalgette review, the UK Government's strategy that's developing, the work in Korea, and last week in Denmark. So, we shouldn't miss the lessons that that indicates to us as well. And then, the Minister concluded by saying that this is a developing policy, a useful debate, and I thought he made the very, very important point that we shouldn't set up e-sports and sports particularly by saying that e-sports stop people being active in real sports. Well, you know, you can do both; you can excel at both. You can enjoy both. That is not the competition. The world is an open and exciting enough place to have e-sport activity and traditional sporting activity. And I think he generally did indicate that the Government has got ambition and an open mind here. We have this slight disagreement about the amendment, but can I just say that I would urge Members to support our motion unamended? But should the motion get amended, then please support the amended motion. Thank you.
Welsh: Wel, rhaid imi ddilyn sylw ysbrydoledig y Gweinidog sef, wyddoch chi, efallai mai dyma'r byd a fydd bellach yn nodi 20 mlynedd nesaf datganoli, lle byddwn yn trafod pynciau y byddwn yn cytuno'n fras arnynt, ond pynciau sy'n dal yn hanfodol i'n cymdeithas - ac yn yr achos hwn yr economi a'r diwydiannau creadigol. Ond a gaf fi ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon? Mae wedi bod yn ddadl hynod ddiddorol, llawn gwybodaeth a hael. Dechreuodd Janet y cyfraniadau, a phwysleisiodd y gwerth adloniadol y mae pobl yn ei gael o gemau - ac maent yn rhyddhaol iawn i gynifer o bobl. Hynny yw, nid yw'n syndod bod pobl yn eu gwerthfawrogi ac yn eu mwynhau cymaint. Yna, edrychodd ar rai o ystadegau'r DU, nad oeddwn wedi tynnu sylw penodol atynt fy hun, ac amcangyfrif NewZoo o gynulleidfa o 6.5 miliwn yn y DU. Hi oedd y gyntaf o nifer o siaradwyr i sôn am y potensial ar gyfer swyddi yn y dyfodol. Edrychodd Jack Sargeant ar dwf marchnad y DU, a siaradodd yn ymarferol iawn wrth alw am gystadleuaeth FIFA i'r Cynulliad. Darren - dyna fyddai'r gêm ddarbi mewn gwirionedd, o ardaloedd cyfagos yng ngogledd Cymru. Roeddwn i'n meddwl bod Jack wedi gwneud pwynt pwysig iawn: er tegwch i Lywodraeth Cymru, mae wedi cael peth llwyddiant yn cynnal digwyddiadau mawr, a dylem gofio bod hwn hefyd yn faes a fyddai'n deilwng o gefnogaeth o'r fath. Dywedodd Nick Ramsay fod ei wybodaeth yn gyfyngedig ond yn tyfu yn y maes hwn, ac yna cyflwynodd araith hynod gynhwysfawr a medrus, a aeth â ni i adolygiad Bazalgette a phwysigrwydd yr adroddiad gwirioneddol gynhwysfawr hwnnw. Unwaith eto, nid yw hynny'n rhywbeth y cyfeiriais ato, ond rwy'n credu ei fod yn waith ardderchog. A soniodd am bwysigrwydd seilwaith, band eang cyflym iawn, a nododd bwysigrwydd STEM, y cyfeiriodd siaradwyr eraill ato hefyd. Roedd y cyfrinachau'n llifo erbyn hyn, a dywedodd Rhun ei fod e'n chwaraewr e-gemau ac mae'n curo'i fab 15 oed ar FIFA o bryd i'w gilydd. Felly, efallai y bydd yn rhoi mwy o fanylion inni ynglŷn â ble y mae'n sefyll yn y gynghrair arbennig honno. Ond beth bynnag, efallai na ddylwn ymyrryd mewn cystadleuaeth deuluol. Ac mae'r byd wedi symud ymlaen cymaint ers y Subbuteo yn y BBC. Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud fy mod o'r farn fod hwnnw'n ddarlun hyfryd. Ac ymyrrodd Llyr i sôn am ymweliad diweddar a wnaeth â choleg lle'r oedd y myfyrwyr yn datblygu gêm, a gweld yr ystod o sgiliau y galwai hynny amdanynt, credaf fod honno'n enghraifft fyw iawn. Treuliodd Oscar y rhan fwyaf o'r amser ar STEM, gan adlewyrchu ei ddiddordeb hirsefydlog mewn sgiliau a phwysigrwydd gwneud penderfyniadau, datrys problemau, yn ogystal â'r sgiliau technegol a'r angen i leihau'r bwlch sgiliau. Ac mae yna berthnasedd clir yma o ran myfyrwyr yn meithrin y sgiliau yma tra'n gwneud rhywbeth y maent yn ei fwynhau'n fawr. Ac rwy'n credu bod cyfle allweddol ar gyfer hynny, gan gynnwys i fenywod, sy'n aml heb eu cynrychioli'n ddigonol o ran astudio pynciau STEM. Dywedodd Caroline hefyd ei bod yn newydd i'r pwnc, ond ei bod yn gweld ei botensial ar unwaith fel rhan o ddiwydiant creadigol. Credaf ei bod yn deg dweud mai Caroline, o'r holl siaradwyr, oedd y mwyaf laissez-faire o ran ei hymagwedd, yn y modd y croesawodd y twf o lawr gwlad i fyny a rhybuddio yn erbyn gormod o weithgarwch llywodraethol. Ond rwy'n credu bod hwn yn faes lle mae'r farchnad yn ehangu, lle nad yw'n rhy llawn ar hyn o bryd. Mae llawer iawn o botensial yno, felly mae'n rhaid i ni fwrw ymlaen, ac mae gan y Llywodraeth ran i'w chwarae yn hynny o beth, fel y gwelwn gyda phethau fel adolygiad Bazalgette, strategaeth Llywodraeth y DU sy'n datblygu, y gwaith yng Nghorea, a'r wythnos diwethaf yn Nenmarc. Felly, ni ddylem fethu'r gwersi y mae hynny'n eu dangos inni hefyd. Ac yna, gorffennodd y Gweinidog drwy ddweud mai polisi sy'n datblygu yw hwn, dadl ddefnyddiol, a thybiwn ei fod wedi gwneud y pwynt pwysig tu hwnt na ddylem sefydlu e-chwaraeon a gemau yn arbennig drwy ddweud bod e-chwaraeon yn atal pobl rhag cymryd rhan mewn chwaraeon go iawn. Wel, wyddoch chi, gallwch wneud y ddau; gallwch ragori yn y ddau beth. Gallwch fwynhau'r ddau. Nid dyna'r gystadleuaeth. Mae'r byd yn lle digon agored a chyffrous i gael gweithgaredd e-chwaraeon a gweithgaredd chwaraeon traddodiadol. Ac rwy'n credu iddo ddangos yn gyffredinol fod gan y Llywodraeth uchelgais a meddwl agored yma. Ceir ychydig o anghytuno rhyngom ynghylch y gwelliant, ond a gaf fi ddweud y buaswn yn annog yr Aelodau i gefnogi ein cynnig heb ei ddiwygio? Ond os caiff y cynnig ei ddiwygio, yna cefnogwch y cynnig fel y'i diwygiwyd. Diolch.