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English: Thank you very much. We move on to item 4: the national broadcast archive for Wales. I welcome the BBC and the witnesses today: Rhodri Talfan Davies, director of BBC Cymru Wales, and Rhys Evans, head of strategy and education. Welcome once more to the committee. As you probably know by now, we have questions on different themes, and we will start there, if that's okay with you. First of all from me: could you just provide us with some sort of overview of how you've been part of this project, and what did it take to reach this point, in working with the national library and the lottery, in making this application?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Dŷn ni'n symud ymlaen at eitem 4: archif ddarlledu genedlaethol i Gymru. Croeso i'r BBC a'r tystion yma heddiw: Rhodri Talfan Davies, sef cyfarwyddwr BBC Cymru Wales, a Rhys Evans, pennaeth strategaeth ac addysg. Croeso unwaith eto i chi i'r pwyllgor yma. Fel dŷch chi'n siŵr o fod yn gwybod erbyn hyn, dŷn ni'n gofyn cwestiynau ar sail themâu gwahanol, ac felly byddwn ni'n cychwyn gyda hynny, os yw hynny'n iawn gyda chi. Yn gyntaf gen i: oes yna fodd i chi jest rhoi rhyw fath o drosolwg o sut ydych chi wedi bod yn rhan o'r prosiect yma, a beth oedd e wedi cymryd i gyrraedd y pwynt yma, yn cydweithredu gyda'r llyfrgell genedlaethol a'r loteri, er mwyn gwneud y cais penodol yma?
English: Of course. If I could just introduce - Rhys has led the discussion on the development of the archive over the past two years, because he is head of strategy and education in BBC Cymru Wales. Just in terms of how this debate started, well, first of all, there was a decision to relocate the BBC, and with that came around £100 million of investment in terms of transforming the technology systems within BBC Cymru Wales. And for the first time, we had the ability to digitise our assets in the archives - some 180,000 assets in the BBC Cymru Wales archive. What happens in the digitisation process is that, clearly, a digital copy is made, a number of copies in fact, and some are retained in the building and others are held elsewhere, in terms of security and resilience. So, in terms of BBC Cymru Wales's requirements as a broadcaster, once the digitisation process is completed, there is no need to retain those assets. So, that's where Rhys comes in, given his overview of education. The core question was: do we simply dispose of those assets, or is there another institution, such as the national library, that would see a value in archiving those old assets? That was the beginning of the discussion, I think. I don't know whether you have - .
Welsh: Wrth gwrs. Ac a gaf i jest gyflwyno - ? Rhys sydd wedi arwain y drafodaeth ynglŷn â datblygiad yr archif dros y ddwy flynedd diwethaf, achos mae o'n bennaeth dros strategaeth ac addysg yn BBC Cymru. Jest o ran sut ddigwyddodd y drafodaeth, yn gyntaf oll, mi oedd yna benderfyniad i adleoli'r BBC, ac felly mi ddaeth gyda hynny rhyw £100 miliwn o fuddsoddiad i weddnewid systemau technoleg BBC Cymru. Ac am y tro cyntaf, roedd y gallu gennym ni i ddigideiddio'r asedau cyflawn a oedd yn eistedd yn yr archif - rhyw 180,000 o asedau yn archif BBC Cymru. Beth sy'n digwydd yn y broses digideiddio ydy, yn amlwg, mae yna gopi digidol yn cael ei greu, a nifer o gopïau, ac mae rhai yn cael eu cadw yn yr adeilad ac mae rhai yn cael eu cadw mewn mannau eraill, o ran diogelwch a resilience. Felly, o ran anghenion gweithredol BBC Cymru fel darlledwr, unwaith mae'r broses digideiddio yn cwpla, does yna ddim angen pellach ar gyfer yr asedau. Felly, dyma le oedd Rhys yn dod i mewn, yn rhinwedd ei swydd o ran trosolwg ar addysg. Y cwestiwn creiddiol oedd: ydyn ni jest yn cael gwared ar yr asedau hynny, neu oes yna sefydliad arall fel, wrth gwrs, y llyfrgell genedlaethol, a fyddai'n gweld gwerth yng nghadw ac yn diogelu'r hen asedau? Dyna oedd dechrau'r drafodaeth. Dwi ddim yn gwybod os oes gyda ti - .
English: From that point forward, there were discussions, going back about three years, between me, the BBC and the chief executive of the national library, in terms of opportunity. And this is what we have here: an opportunity to open BBC Cymru Wales's archive, which is a chronicle of a nation's life in both languages, and opening that content out to the public, not only in Aberystwyth but also in Wrexham, Cardiff, Carmarthen and across - if the project is going to happen - hundreds of other community events, as well as 1,500 clips and programmes online. And the selfish element - . The easiest thing in the world - as Rhodri has said - the easiest thing for us, as the BBC, would have been to stop once we had finished the digitising project, because from our point of view as a broadcaster, there is no need for us to do anything. But given our other responsibilities, in terms of working with national organisations in partnership, in terms of our education mission and also our responsibility towards the culture and history of Wales, this was - and continues to be - a unique opportunity, not just in terms of the BBC's archive. It's important that we don't forget - we're talking here about a national broadcast archive. That is, the BBC's archive would live side by side with other audio collections from ITV, S4C and other broadcasters, as well as all the richness of the other collections that exist in Aberystwyth. And then there would be one home that would be completely suitable for this collection and other collections.
Welsh: O'r pwynt yna ymlaen, fe fuodd yna drafodaethau, yn mynd yn ôl rhyw dair blynedd, rhyngof i, rhwng y BBC a phrif weithredwr y llyfrgell genedlaethol, ynghylch cyfle. A dyma beth sydd gennym ni yn fan hyn: cyfle i agor archif BBC Cymru, sy'n gronicl o fywyd cenedl yn y ddwy iaith, ac agor y cynnwys yna allan i'r cyhoedd, nid yn unig yn Aberystwyth ond hefyd yn Wrecsam, yng Nghaerdydd, yng Nghaerfyrddin ac ar draws - os yw'r prosiect hwn i ddigwydd - cannoedd o ddigwyddiadau cymunedol eraill, ynghyd â 1,500 o glipiau a rhaglenni ar-lein. A'r ystyr hunanol - . Y peth hawsaf yn y byd - fel mae Rhodri wedi dweud - y peth hawsaf i ni fel y BBC fyddai bod wedi stopio unwaith roedden ni wedi gorffen â'r prosiect digido, oherwydd o'n safbwynt ni fel darlledwr, does dim angen i ni wneud dim byd. Ond o ystyried ein cyfrifoldebau eraill ni, o ran gweithio gyda sefydliadau cenedlaethol mewn partneriaeth, o ran ein cenhadaeth addysgiadol ni, a hefyd ein cyfrifoldeb ni tuag at ddiwylliant a hanes Cymru, roedd hwn, ac mae'n parhau i fod, yn gyfle cwbl unigryw, nid yn unig o ran archif y BBC. Mae'n bwysig i ni beidio â cholli golwg ar hyn - yr hyn rŷm ni'n sôn amdano fan hyn yw archif ddarlledu genedlaethol. Hynny yw, byddai archif y BBC yn byw cyfochr â chasgliadau clywedol ITV, S4C a darlledwyr eraill, ynghyd â'r holl gyfoeth o gasgliadau eraill sy'n bodoli yn Aberystwyth. Ac wedyn fe fyddai yna un cartref a fyddai'n gwbl deilwng o'r casgliad hwn a chasgliadau eraill.
English: Can I just ask - because I don't have any expertise in archiving, I have to say - you say that you would have disposed of the assets, once you created digital copies, clearly, but what's the concept behind disposal? Wouldn't it make sense to retain it because there may be a problem in future with the digital copies or there may be technological changes? What's the justification for disposing of the asset completely?
Welsh: Allaf i jest gofyn - achos dwi ddim yn arbenigydd archifo, mae'n rhaid i fi ddweud - dŷch chi'n dweud y byddech chi'n cael gwared ar yr asedau, a dŷch chi'n creu copies digidol yn amlwg, ond beth yw'r cysyniad tu ôl i gael gwared ohono fe? Oni fyddai fe'n dda i'w gadw fe, oherwydd efallai byddai yna broblem yn y dyfodol gyda'r digideiddio, neu byddai newid mewn technoleg? Beth yw'r cysyniad tu ôl i waredu'r ased yn llwyr?
English: Well, there are different assets. I'm not an expert in the archive field, but I'll try to answer, and I'm sure Rhys will come in too. There are some assets that exist on tape, where there is a natural process that it deteriorates. There are some film cans that are perhaps worth securing, because it's something that we haven't prepared for. But the truth is that there is internal expertise within the BBC that keeps an eye on digital standards and that ensures that the assets are maintained to the standard that's required for the period that we're working in. So, there is a process of updating the digital standards as we go forward. The reason for keeping a number of different copies on different sites is if there was a technical problem or damage. So, there are strong processes within the BBC to ensure that those risks are managed.
Welsh: Wel, mae yna wahanol asedau. Dwi ddim yna arbenigwr archif, ond fe wnaf i drio ateb, a dwi'n siŵr y daw Rhys i mewn hefyd. Mae rhai asedau ar dâp, lle mae yna broses naturiol ei fod o'n dirywio. Mae yna rai cans ffilm efallai sydd yn werth eu diogelu, oherwydd rhywbeth fyddwn ni heb baratoi amdano. Ond y gwir amdani yw bod yna arbenigedd mewnol o fewn y BBC sy'n cadw golwg ar safonau digidol ac sy'n sicrhau bod yr asedau yn cael eu cynnal yn y safon ar gyfer y cyfnod rydym ni'n gweithredu o'i fewn. So, mae yna broses o ddiweddaru'r safonau digidol wrth inni fynd ymlaen. A'r rheswm, yn amlwg, dros gadw nifer o gopïau ar safleoedd gwahanol yw petai ryw ddifrod yn digwydd neu ryw broblem dechnegol. Felly, mae yna brosesau cryf iawn o fewn y BBC i sicrhau bod y risks yna yn cael eu rheoli.
English: So, there's no risk, in not retaining the original asset, that technology might mean that it won't be available in the distant future.
Welsh: So, does dim risg, o beidio â chadw'r ased gwreiddiol, fod technoleg yn golygu na fydd e ar gael yn y dyfodol pell i ffwrdd.
English: No. The truth is that digitisation is the best way of safeguarding the archive, because there is a natural process with any physical asset that it does deteriorate over time. So, the digitising process is part of looking after that archive.
Welsh: Na. Y gwir yw mai digideiddio yw'r ffordd orau o ddiogelu'r archif, achos mae yna broses naturiol gydag unrhyw ased physical ei fod o yn dirywio dros amser. So, mae'r broses ddigideiddio yn rhan o ddiogelu'r archif.
English: And what about copyright and public access, then? Is that within the terms of the lottery project?
Welsh: A beth am yr hawlfraint a'r mynediad i'r cyhoedd, wedyn? Ydy hynny o fewn termau'r prosiect loteri?
English: Yes, it is within the terms of the project. In terms of copyright, we have a national copyright library in the national library, as well as the other three centres, one in Wrexham, Cardiff and also in Carmarthen, because they are managed by the library. They have copyright in order to make all our materials available. That is in accordance with the law.
Welsh: Ydy, mae o fewn termau'r prosiect. O ran y sefyllfa hawlfraint, mae gennym lyfrgell hawlfraint - copyright library - cenedlaethol yn y llyfrgell genedlaethol, ynghyd â'r tair canolfan arall, yr un yn Wrecsam, Caerdydd a hefyd yng Nghaerfyrddin, oherwydd eu bod nhw'n dod o dan reolaeth y llyfrgell. Mae gyda nhw'r hawl i wneud ein holl gynnyrch ni ar gael. Mae hynny yn unol â'r gyfraith.
English: For educational purposes only.
Welsh: Ar gyfer pwrpasau addysgiadol yn unig.
English: For those educational purposes. But we don't have the right to provide all our content, despite how much we'd like to do that - we don't have the right to make all our content available online. It's entirely impossible for legal reasons, because in many pieces of film or recordings, third parties have rights, and musicians, authors, dramatists, writers. That is, to put it in more practical terms, perhaps: if we were ever to do that, there would be a large number of legal proceedings taking place in Llandaff the following day. So, the creative approach that we've taken within the copyright regime is to ensure that all of the content is available, these 180,000 assets, in Aberystwyth, and the three other centres. But in addition to that, there will be 1,500 programmes and clips available online. That's going to be a very significant contribution. So, that content will be free from any copyright obligations. We will be working over a period of years with the library in order to ensure that the most attractive collections, those that are most appealing to the public, will be available, and free from copyright. In addition to that, the library itself has prepared a broad-ranging programme of activities with groups such as Welsh learners, groups that would benefit from this content in terms of how it can help with memory - dementia groups, for example - so that a number of different groups benefit from this content, where there are no copyright barriers to that.
Welsh: Ar gyfer y pwrpasau addysgiadol hynny. Ond does gyda ni ddim yr hawl i roi ein holl gynnwys ni, er mor ddymunol fyddai hynny - does gyda ni ddim yr hawl i roi ein holl gynnyrch ni ar gael ar-lein. Mae hynny'n gwbl amhosibl am resymau cyfreithiol, oherwydd mewn nifer fawr o ddarnau o ffilm neu o recordiadau, mae yna hawliau gan rai sy'n drydydd parti, gan gerddorion, gan lenorion, gan ddramodwyr, gan ysgrifenwyr. Hynny yw, i'w roi mewn termau mwy ymarferol, efallai: petasem ni fyth yn gwneud hynny, fe fyddai yna nifer fawr o geisiadau cyfreithiol yn glanio yn Llandaf drannoeth y weithred honno. Felly, y ffordd greadigol rŷn ni wedi mynd ati o fewn y fframwaith hawliau yw sicrhau bod y cynnwys i gyd ar gael, y 180,000 yma o asedau, yn Aberystwyth, a hefyd y tair canolfan arall. Ond yn ogystal â hynny, fe fydd yna 1,500 o raglenni a chlipiau ar gael ar-lein. Mae hwnna'n mynd i fod yn gyfraniad sylweddol iawn. Felly, fe fydd y cynnwys yna yn rhydd o unrhyw hawliau. Fe fyddwn ni'n gweithio dros gyfnod o flynyddoedd gyda'r llyfrgell i sicrhau bod y casgliadau mwyaf deniadol a mwyaf atyniadol i'r cyhoedd ar gael, a rheini'n rhydd o hawliau. Ac ar dop hynny, wedyn, yn ogystal, mae'r llyfrgell ei hunain wedi paratoi rhaglen helaeth iawn o weithgareddau gyda grwpiau fel dysgwyr Cymraeg, grwpiau a fyddai'n elwa o'r cynnwys yma o ran y ffordd mae'n gallu hyrwyddo'r cof - grwpiau dementia, er enghraifft - er mwyn sicrhau bod yna nifer o bwrpasau yn elwa o'n cynnwys ni, a bod y cynnwys hwnnw heb unrhyw broblemau neu lyffethair hawlfraint.
English: Thank you, Chair. One thing I wanted to look at was what would be the contribution of the public sector in Wales to this project. From what I understand, the project will cost about £237,000 a year after 2024.
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Un peth roeddwn i jest yn moyn edrych arno oedd beth fyddai cyfraniad y sector cyhoeddus yng Nghymru i'r project hwn. O beth rwy'n ei ddeall, bydd y project yn costio tua £237,000 y flwyddyn ar ôl 2024.
English: As a whole.
Welsh: Yn ei gyfanrwydd.
English: As a whole, yes.
Welsh: Yn ei gyfanrwydd, ie.
English: Yes, and you've offered about £60,000 between everything in terms of funding and support. We know that there is a contribution of £9 million being given to Perivale by the BBC. Is that correct?
Welsh: Ie, a rŷch chi wedi cynnig tua £60,000 rhwng popeth - rhwng arian a hefyd cymorth. Rŷm ni'n gwybod bod yna gyfraniad o £9 miliwn yn cael ei roi i Perivale gan y BBC. Yw hynna'n iawn?
English: Can we deal with Perivale first of all? Perivale is a centre for the BBC's broadcast requirements. Wales is the only nation in the UK where the BBC has been able to digitise its entire archive. So, some 75 per cent of all the assets in Perivale are non-digitised and need to be safeguarded for broadcast and production purposes. That isn't the situation in Wales. We don't need to retain the physical assets for broadcast needs in Wales. So, because Wales is ahead in terms of digital investment, as compared to the rest of the UK, we don't need a permanent archive in terms of the old assets. So, that's the difference. And this is an important point. The BBC isn't trying to avoid costs here. If the library doesn't need the assets, they won't be retained; they will be disposed of. Perivale is entirely necessary for the operational needs of the BBC.
Welsh: Ocê, allwn ni ddelio â Perivale yn gyntaf? Mae Perivale yn ganolfan ar gyfer anghenion darlledu'r BBC. Hynny yw, Cymru yw'r unig genedl yn y Deyrnas Gyfunol lle mae'r BBC wedi gallu digideiddio'r archif gyfan. Felly, mae rhyw 75 y cant o'r holl asedau sydd yn eistedd yn Perivale yn asedau sydd heb eu digideiddio ac felly sydd angen eu diogelu ar gyfer pwrpasau darlledu a chynhyrchu. Nid dyna'r sefyllfa yng Nghymru. Does dim angen cadw'r asedau physical ar gyfer anghenion darlledu. Felly, achos bod Cymru ar y blaen o ran buddsoddiad digidol i weddill Prydain, does dim eisiau archif barhaol o ran yr hen asedau. So, dyna'r gwahaniaeth. Ac mae hwn yn bwynt pwysig achos dydy'r BBC ddim yn trio osgoi cost fan hyn. Os nad yw'r llyfrgell angen yr asedau, byddan nhw ddim yn cael eu cadw; byddwn ni'n cael gwared arnyn nhw. Mae Perivale yn gwbl angenrheidiol ar gyfer anghenion gweithredol y BBC.
English: But just to get this clear: does it cost £9 million to run or - ?
Welsh: Ond jest i gael hyn yn glir: a ydy e'n costio £9 miliwn i'w redeg neu - ?
English: That's the figure.
Welsh: Dyna'r ffigwr.
English: No, that isn't accurate. The capital cost of the establishment of Perivale back in 2011 was £9.2 million. Perivale doesn't cost £9 million to run. The other fundamental difference between Perivale and what we're discussing here is that there is no public access at all to Perivale. Perivale is an entirely closed centre, entirely for the internal needs of the BBC, where the whole purpose of a national broadcast archive is to make the BBC's collections, and other broadcasters', available and accessible. So, this comparison is very unfortunate, if I may say so, because there is no correspondence, in my mind, between Perivale and the national broadcast archive.
Welsh: Na, dyw hynna ddim yn gywir. Cost cyfalaf sefydlu Perivale yn ôl yn 2011 oedd £9.2 miliwn. Dyw Perivale ddim yn costio £9 miliwn i'w redeg. Y gwahaniaeth sylfaenol arall rhwng Perivale a'r hyn sydd o dan sylw fan hyn yw nad oes yna unrhyw fynediad o gwbl i'r cyhoedd i Perivale. Mae Perivale yn ganolfan gwbl gaeedig, yn unig ar gyfer dibenion mewnol y BBC, lle holl bwrpas archif ddarlledu genedlaethol yw gwneud casgliadau'r BBC a darlledwyr eraill yn hygyrch. Felly, mae'r gymhariaeth yma yn un, os caf i ddweud, anffodus iawn, oherwydd does yna ddim unrhyw gyfatebiaeth, yn fy llygaid i, rhwng Perivale ar y naill law, a'r archif ddarlledu genedlaethol ar y llaw arall.
English: If we were to ask the Government or the national library to fund the BBC's digital archive in Wales for broadcasting requirements, that would correspond, but nobody's asking that. This is about whether the national library wants to keep the physical archive for educational purposes. That's not the mission of Perivale at all.
Welsh: Petaen ni'n gofyn i'r Llywodraeth neu i'r llyfrgell genedlaethol ariannu archif ddigidol y BBC yng Nghymru ar gyfer anghenion darlledu, dyna fyddai'n gyfatebol, ond does neb yn gofyn hynny. Mae hwn ynglŷn ag ydy'r llyfrgell genedlaethol am gadw'r archif physical ar gyfer anghenion addysgiadol. Nid dyna genhadaeth Perivale o gwbl.
English: Just one further question, in terms of Perivale, therefore: £9 million to establish it. That was the whole cost of Perivale - did the BBC pay everything, 100 per cent, or was there another contribution from - ?
Welsh: Jest un cwestiwn arall sydd gyda fi, ynglŷn â Perivale, felly: £9 miliwn i'w sefydlu. Dyna oedd holl gost Perivale - a wnaeth y BBC dalu am bopeth, 100 y cant, neu oedd yna gyfraniad arall o - ?
English: The BBC owns Perivale. It's like Llandaff. It's a building and a centre owned by the BBC for broadcasting requirements.
Welsh: Y BBC sy'n berchen Perivale. Mae e fel Llandaf. Mae e'n adeilad ac yn ganolfan sydd yn berchen i'r BBC ar gyfer anghenion darlledu.
English: Just to ask, therefore: is there a national archive in Scotland, with the BBC?
Welsh: Gaf i jest gofyn, felly: oes yna archif genedlaethol yn yr Alban gan y BBC?
English: No. Is there one in Northern Ireland at all?
Welsh: Nac oes. Oes un yn Ngogledd Iwerddon o gwbl?
English: An archive for broadcasting needs?
Welsh: Archif ar gyfer anghenion darlledu?
English: The archive you want to establish in the library - is there something that corresponds in Scotland or Northern Ireland?
Welsh: Yr archif rŷch chi'n moyn sefydlu, gyda'r llyfrgell genedlaethol - oes yna rywbeth yr un peth yn yr Alban neu yng Ngogledd Iwerddon?
English: No -
Welsh: Nac oes -
English: This is the first.
Welsh: Hwn yw'r cyntaf.
English: - because in Northern Ireland the majority of the assets maintained in Northern Ireland are non-digitised assets, and it's more of a mix in Scotland. But there has been no gift given to any external organisations, because those assets are required for broadcasting requirements.
Welsh: - achos yng Ngogledd Iwerddon mae'r mwyafrif helaeth o'r asedau sy'n cael eu cynnal gan Ogledd Iwerddon yn asedau sydd heb eu digideiddio, ac mae'n fwy o gymysgedd yn yr Alban. Ond does yna ddim rhodd wedi ei gwneud i unrhyw sefydliad allanol, gan fod angen yr asedau ar gyfer pwrpasau darlledu.
English: Why do you believe that the Deputy Minister has added this to the debate - from what I believe - at the last minute? Because, he said in the evidence that nobody has answered this question of Perivale sufficiently for him. Why do you think - ? Because I think I understand the difference, but why do you think the Deputy Minister didn't understand the difference?
Welsh: Pam dŷch chi'n credu bod y Dirprwy Gweinidog wedi ychwanegu hwn i'r ddadl - yn ôl beth dwi'n credu - ar y munud olaf? Achos, roedd e'n dweud yn y dystiolaeth fod neb wedi ateb y cwestiwn yma o Perivale yn ddigon digonol iddo fe. Pam dŷch chi'n credu - ? Achos, dwi'n credu fy mod i'n deall y gwahaniaeth, ond pam dŷch chi'n credu bod y Dirprwy Gweinidog ddim yn deall y gwahaniaeth?
English: I can't speculate on that.
Welsh: Allaf i ddim dyfalu'r rheswm am hynny.
English: Well, you must have has discussions with Government.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n rhaid eich bod chi wedi cael trafodaethau gyda'r Llywodraeth.
English: Thank you, Chair. A number of the questions regarding Perivale have been answered, and I do understand the difference. Of course, as has been mentioned before, when this news broke, I think, in November, for those of us not in these inner circles of Government and important people and stuff and so forth, but, essentially, as Rhys has already said, we're talking about a national treasure here. In the midst of all this controversy, can you update us on what discussions are happening behind closed doors? I know the rooms used to be full of smoke but now there's legislation stopping that smoke, so, are you getting closer to any sort of agreement to solve this? And I think what we've been thinking about is if this doesn't happen we'll lose this collection, but if you say it's been digitised we won't lose this information, at least - .
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Gadeirydd. Mae nifer o'r cwestiynau ynglŷn â Perivale wedi cael eu hateb, ac rwy'n deall y gwahaniaeth. Wrth gwrs, fel dŷn ni wedi crybwyll eisoes, pan dorrodd y newyddion hyn - beth oedd hi? - ym mis Tachwedd diwethaf, i'r rheini sydd ddim yn y cylchoedd cyfrin yma sydd yng nghanol popeth, Llywodraethau a phobl bwysig a stwff, ontefe, ond yn y bôn, ie, fel mae Rhys wedi dweud eisoes, dŷn ni'n sôn am drysor cenedlaethol yn fan hyn. Yng nghanol yr holl gythrwfl yma, a allwch chi ein diweddaru ni ar ba bynnag drafodaethau sydd yn digwydd tu ôl i ddrysau caeedig? Dwi'n gwybod bod yr ystafelloedd yn arfer bod yn llawn mwg, ond wrth gwrs mae yna ddeddfwriaeth yn gwahardd y llawn mwg busnes, ond ydych chi'n mynd yn nes at unrhyw gytundeb i ddatrys y sefyllfa yma? A hefyd, beth dŷn ni wir wedi bod yn credu ydy os na fyddai hyn yn digwydd byddem ni'n colli'r casgliad yma, ond os dŷch chi'n dweud ei fod o wedi cael ei ddigideiddio byddwn ni ddim yn colli'r wybodaeth o leiaf - .