English: Thank you, Presiding Officer, and thank you to everyone who's contributed to what I think has been a very important debate on the need to ensure value for money for Welsh taxpayers, because, as one wonderful woman, Margaret Thatcher, once said, 'There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers' money.' And we are responsible, in this place, for making sure that it is spent very wisely. I'm sorry to hear that the Minister does not accept the need for improvements in scrutiny of the way that public money is spent, because we heard whole long lists from speaker after speaker in the Senedd debate today about failings in the Welsh Government's own processes, which have resulted in over £1 billion worth of waste of taxpayers' money. Of course, we must remember that when taxpayers' money is wasted there are opportunity costs, as Caroline Jones quite rightly spelt out. There's money that you can't, then, invest in our health service, that you can't invest in our education system and that you can't invest in Welsh infrastructure. So, it's absolutely right, when she said that we need to rebuild trust; we need to rebuild trust in a future Welsh Government to manage these things properly. I disagree wholeheartedly with Gareth Bennett when he said that this is evidence of the failing of devolution. It's not. It's the evidence of a failing Welsh Labour-led administration, and its junior partners, also, need to accept some of that blame. Plaid, of course, have been unusually absent in making a contribution to a debate on this matter in the Chamber today, which I find pretty extraordinary. Neil McEvoy's contribution started so well with a reference to Margaret Thatcher, but it quickly went downhill, and the less said about the end, frankly, the better. But I will say this, in response to Neil's contribution: he's quite right to identify the cronyism that is all too apparent here in Wales. But I will say, in response to him, in terms of his comments about the third sector: we are not at war with the third sector as a Conservative Party here in Wales, we are at war with waste and inefficiency, and that is why we need, as Paul Davies has said on multiple occasions, a devolution revolution - a revolution that radically reforms and reshapes and re-energises the Welsh Government into the lean fighting machine that the people of Wales expect it to be. We need to be able to have a system that is not slow to pull the plug on projects that don't work, and that is quick to invest in projects that do work, so that we don't have this perpetual pilot-project process that we have in Wales where there are demonstrated improvements, as Angela Burns said at the outset in her opening contribution, where we have proven projects that work, and the Welsh Government doesn't roll out further. There are many international examples. Paul Davies pointed to one in New Zealand. We know that the UK Government has the Office for Budget Responsibility as well, which also contributes to the scrutiny processes of the UK Government and the way it orders its finances. I was very disappointed by Rhianon Passmore's contribution - completely and unnecessarily partisan. Of course, she was given short shrift by Nick Ramsay in his response, who, I thought, rebuked Rhianon Passmore, frankly, with finesse. Russell George focused his remarks on roads and infrastructure, and the significant overspends that we've had on those, and I think it's absolutely right that he mentioned the ridiculous situation where we had a number of homes and properties purchased within just weeks of the First Minister's announcement. More taxpayers' money down the pan. Of course, that's not the only example, of that - we also saw that with the Pinewood project site. So, I implore Members of the Senedd to support our motion on the order paper today. We need an arm's-length, cross-departmental, independent office of budget responsibility, or Government resilience and efficiency rather, to ensure that taxpayers can get value for money here in Wales. It will complement the other systems that we have in place with Audit Wales and the Public Accounts Committee and the work of this Senedd as a whole, and I commend the motion to Members.
Welsh: Diolch, Lywydd, a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu at yr hyn a fu'n ddadl bwysig iawn yn fy marn i am yr angen i sicrhau gwerth am arian i drethdalwyr Cymru, oherwydd, fel y dywedodd un fenyw wych, Margaret Thatcher, unwaith, Nid oes y fath beth ag arian cyhoeddus, dim ond arian trethdalwyr. Ac rydym ni yn y lle hwn yn gyfrifol am sicrhau ei fod yn cael ei wario'n ddoeth iawn. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf glywed nad yw'r Gweinidog yn derbyn yr angen am welliannau o ran craffu ar y ffordd y caiff arian cyhoeddus ei wario, oherwydd clywsom restrau hir gan siaradwr ar ôl siaradwr yn nadl y Senedd heddiw am fethiannau ym mhrosesau Llywodraeth Cymru ei hun, sydd wedi arwain at wastraffu gwerth dros £1 biliwn o arian trethdalwyr. Wrth gwrs, rhaid inni gofio, pan gaiff arian trethdalwyr ei wastraffu, ceir costau cyfle, fel y dywedodd Caroline Jones yn gwbl briodol. Mae'n arian na allwch ei fuddsoddi yn ein gwasanaeth iechyd, na allwch ei fuddsoddi yn ein system addysg ac na allwch ei fuddsoddi yn seilwaith Cymru. Felly, mae'n hollol iawn, pan ddywedodd fod angen inni ailadeiladu ymddiriedaeth; mae angen inni ailadeiladu ymddiriedaeth mewn Llywodraeth Cymru yn y dyfodol i reoli'r pethau hyn yn iawn. Rwy'n anghytuno'n llwyr â Gareth Bennett pan ddywedodd fod hyn yn dystiolaeth o fethiant datganoli. Nid yw hynny'n wir. Mae'n dystiolaeth fod angen i weinyddiaeth sy'n methu dan arweiniad Llafur Cymru, a'i phartneriaid iau hefyd, ysgwyddo rhywfaint o'r bai hwnnw. Mae Plaid Cymru, wrth gwrs, wedi bod yn anarferol o absennol yn y ddadl ar y mater hwn yn y Siambr heddiw, sy'n eithaf rhyfeddol. Dechreuodd cyfraniad Neil McEvoy mor dda gyda chyfeiriad at Margaret Thatcher, ond dirywiodd yn gyflym, a gorau po leiaf a ddywedaf am y diwedd. Ond fe ddywedaf hyn, mewn ymateb i gyfraniad Neil: mae'n llygad ei le i nodi'r ffrindgarwch sydd ond yn rhy amlwg yma yng Nghymru. Ond rwyf am ddweud mewn ymateb iddo, ar ei sylwadau am y trydydd sector: nid ydym yn brwydro yn erbyn y trydydd sector fel Plaid Geidwadol yma yng Nghymru, rydym yn brwydro yn erbyn gwastraff ac aneffeithlonrwydd, a dyna pam y mae arnom angen chwyldro datganoli, fel y mae Paul Davies wedi dweud droeon - chwyldro sy'n diwygio ac yn ail-lunio ac yn ailfywiogi Llywodraeth Cymru yn sylweddol i greu'r system wydn ac effeithiol y mae pobl Cymru yn ei disgwyl. Mae angen inni allu cael system nad yw'n araf i dynnu'r plwg ar brosiectau nad ydynt yn gweithio, ac sy'n gyflym i fuddsoddi mewn prosiectau sy'n gweithio, fel nad oes gennym y broses ddiddiwedd o beilot i brosiect sydd gennym yng Nghymru lle ceir gwelliannau gweladwy, fel y dywedodd Angela Burns ar ddechrau ei chyfraniad agoriadol, lle mae gennym brosiectau y profwyd eu bod yn gweithio, ond nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn eu cyflwyno ymhellach. Mae yna lawer o enghreifftiau rhyngwladol. Cyfeiriodd Paul Davies at un yn Seland Newydd. Gwyddom fod gan Lywodraeth y DU y Swyddfa Cyfrifoldeb Cyllidebol hefyd, sy'n cyfrannu at brosesau craffu Llywodraeth y DU a'r ffordd y mae'n trefnu ei chyllid. Cefais fy siomi'n fawr gan gyfraniad Rhianon Passmore - dallbleidiol a ddiangen. Wrth gwrs, daeth o dan lach Nick Ramsay yn ei ymateb, a chafodd Rhianon Passmore ei cheryddu ganddo'n gynnil a dweud y gwir. Canolbwyntiodd Russell George ei sylwadau ar ffyrdd a seilwaith, a'r gorwariant sylweddol a gawsom ar y rheini, a chredaf ei bod yn gwbl briodol iddo sôn am y sefyllfa hurt lle'r oedd gennym nifer o gartrefi ac eiddo wedi'u prynu o fewn ychydig wythnosau i gyhoeddiad y Prif Weinidog. Mwy o arian trethdalwyr i'r twll diwaelod. Wrth gwrs, nid dyna'r unig enghraifft, o hynny - gwelsom hynny hefyd gyda safle prosiect Pinewood. Felly, erfyniaf ar yr Aelodau o'r Senedd i gefnogi ein cynnig ar y papur trefn heddiw. Mae arnom angen swyddfa cyfrifoldeb cyllidebol annibynnol hyd braich, un drawsadrannol ac annibynnol, neu swyddfa cadernid ac effeithlonrwydd Llywodraeth yn hytrach, i sicrhau y gall trethdalwyr gael gwerth am arian yma yng Nghymru. Bydd yn ategu'r systemau eraill sydd gennym ar waith gydag Archwilio Cymru a'r Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus a gwaith y Senedd hon yn ei chyfanrwydd, ac rwy'n cymeradwyo'r cynnig i'r Aelodau.