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English: Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, 161 is not agreed.
Welsh: Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 15, neb yn ymatal, 38 yn erbyn. Gwelliant 161 wedi ei wrthod.
English: Yes, it is. Therefore, is there objection to amendment 162? [ Objection.] Yes, there is. Therefore, we'll have a vote on amendment 162. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 162 is not agreed.
Welsh: Ydy. Felly, oes gwrthwynebiad i welliant 162? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, fe gawn ni bleidlais ar welliant 162. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 15, neb yn ymatal, 38 yn erbyn. Felly, gwelliant 162 wedi ei wrthod.
English: Amendment 76. Is it being moved by the Minister?
Welsh: Gwelliant 76. Ydy e'n cael ei symud gan y Gweinidog?
English: Yes. Amendment 76, is there any objection? [ Objection.] Yes, there is objection. Therefore, we'll move to a vote on amendment 76. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 38, 15 abstentions, none against. Therefore, amendment 76 is agreed.
Welsh: Ydy. Gwelliant 76, oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes, mae yna wrthwynebiad. Felly, fe gawn ni bleidlais ar welliant 76. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 38, 15 yn ymatal, neb yn erbyn. Felly, mae gwelliant 76 wedi ei dderbyn.
English: Yes. Is there objection? [ Objection.] Yes, therefore we'll move to a vote on amendment 163. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 163 is not agreed.
Welsh: Symud, ydy. Oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, pleidlais ar welliant 163. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 15, neb yn ymatal, 38 yn erbyn. Gwelliant 163 wedi ei wrthod.
English: Yes, it is. Is there objection? [ Objection.] Yes, there is. Therefore, we'll have a vote on 164.
Welsh: Ydy. Felly, oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, pleidlais ar 164.
English: Open the vote on amendment 164.
Welsh: Agor y bleidlais ar welliant 164.
English: Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 164 is not agreed.
Welsh: Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 15, neb yn ymatal, 38 yn erbyn. Gwelliant 164 wedi'i wrthod.
English: Is there objection? [ Objection.] Yes, there is. Therefore, we'll move to a vote on amendment 165. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 16, no abstentions, 37 against. Therefore, amendment 165 is not agreed.
Welsh: Oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Ac felly, fe gawn ni bleidlais ar welliant 165. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 16, neb yn ymatal, 37 yn erbyn. Mae gwelliant 165 yn cael ei wrthod.
English: Minister, amendment 177, in your name. Is it moved?
Welsh: Gweinidog, gwelliant 77, yn eich enw chi. Ydy e'n cael ei symud?
English: It is. Therefore, amendment 77, is there objection? [ Objection.] Yes, there is. Therefore, we'll move to a vote on amendment 77. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 38, 15 abstentions, none against. Therefore, amendment 77 is agreed.
Welsh: Ydy. Gwelliant 77, oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes, mae gwrthwynebiad. Felly, fe gawn ni bleidlais ar welliant 77. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 38, 15 yn ymatal, neb yn erbyn. Gwelliant 77 yn cael ei dderbyn.
English: Amendment 119. Is it moved?
Welsh: Yn olaf, gwelliant 119. Yn cael ei symud?
English: Is there objection? [ Objection.] Yes, there is. We'll have a vote - why not - on amendment 119. Open the vote.
Welsh: Yn cael ei symud gan Laura Jones. Oes gwrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, fe gawn ni bleidlais - pam lai - ar welliant 119. Agor y bleidlais.
English: Amendment 119.
Welsh: Gwelliant 119.
English: Close the vote. In favour 15, no abstentions, 38 against. Therefore, amendment 119 is not agreed.
Welsh: Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid 15, neb yn ymatal, 38 yn erbyn. Ac felly, mae gwelliant 119 wedi'i wrthod.
English: That's it. We've reached the end of our votes. We've therefore reached the end of our Stage 3 consideration of the Tertiary Education and Research (Wales) Bill, and I declare that all sections of and Schedules to the Bill are deemed agreed. That concludes our work on Stage 3 proceedings. Thank you very much for your co-operation.
Welsh: Dyna ni. Dyna ddiwedd ar ein cyfres ni o bleidleisiau. Dŷn ni wedi, felly, cyrraedd ein hystyriaeth o Gyfnod 3 o'r Bil Addysg Drydyddol ac Ymchwil (Cymru), a dwi'n datgan y bernir bod pob adran o'r Bil a phob atodlen iddo wedi'i dderbyn. Daw hynny â'n gwaith ni ar Gyfnod 3 i ben am heddiw. Diolch yn fawr i chi i gyd am eich cydweithrediad.
English: [ Inaudible. ] - we have very interesting items to discuss. And this meeting is being broadcast live on Senedd.tv, and a Record of Proceedings will be published as usual. We haven't received any apologies. I'm just checking that there are no declarations of interest to note. There we go. So, we'll move on to item 2.
Welsh: [ Anghlywadwy.] - eitemau diddorol iawn i fynd drwyddyn nhw. Ac mae'r cyfarfod yma yn cael ei ddarlledu yn fyw ar Senedd.tv, a bydd Cofnod y Trafodion yn cael ei gyhoeddi fel arfer. Dŷn ni ddim wedi derbyn unrhyw ymddiheuriadau. Dwi jest yn tsiecio bod yna ddim buddiannau angen eu nodi. Na, dwi ddim yn meddwl. Felly, gwnawn ni symud ymlaen i eitem 2.
English: Item 2 is papers to note.
Welsh: Eitem 2 ydy papurau i'w nodi.
English: Well, thank you all very much for this morning - it's turned into this afternoon by now.
Welsh: Wel, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd am y bore yma - wel, mae wedi troi'n brynhawn yma erbyn hyn.
English: Under Standing Order 17.42, I propose that we exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Is everyone happy with that? Yes. Great.
Welsh: O dan Rheol Sefydlog 17.42, dwi'n cynnig ein bod yn gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Ydy pawb yn hapus? Ie. Gwych.
English: I'm going to be speaking in Welsh. Thank you to the three of you for giving of your time this morning - we're very grateful to you for coming here. You said just now, Minister, that you believe that the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller community will be confident now in moving forward in seeing what is happening. I'm not quite as sure, from your evidence, that they would be confident. They might be disappointed, truth be told, because they've waited for years to see action being taken. There has been legislation in place, with an expectation for local authorities to provide in this area, and it hasn't happened. And you say this morning that you have the powers to compel them to provide, but you haven't used those powers after five, six, seven years, or more. You say that you want to co-operate and collaborate with local authorities, but you say too that you want to have that provision. Why haven't you used these powers to date, and why do we need to bring forward a new anti-racism programme in order to reinforce legislation that already exists?
Welsh: Dwi'n mynd i siarad yn Gymraeg. Diolch i chi'ch tri am roi eich amser y bore yma - rydyn ni'n ddiolchgar iawn i chi am ddod yma. Mi ddaru chi, Weinidog, ddweud jest rŵan eich bod chi'n credu y buasai'r gymuned Sipsiwn, Teithwyr a Roma yn hyderus yn symud ymlaen yn gweld yr hyn sydd yn digwydd. Dwi ddim mor siŵr, o'ch tystiolaeth hyd yma, y buasen nhw'n hyderus - hwyrach y buasen nhw'n siomedig, mewn gwirionedd, oherwydd maen nhw wedi aros blynyddoedd i weld gweithredu. Mae yna ddeddfwriaeth wedi bod mewn lle efo disgwyliad i awdurdodau lleol ddarparu, a dydy o ddim wedi digwydd. Rydych chi'n dweud y bore yma bod gennych chi'r grymoedd i'w gorfodi nhw i ddarparu ond eich bod chi ddim wedi defnyddio'r grymoedd hynny, ar ôl pump, chwech, saith mlynedd a rhagor. Rydych chi'n dweud eich bod chi eisiau cydweithredu efo awdurdodau lleol, ond eto rydych chi'n dweud eich bod chi eisiau cael y ddarpariaeth yma. Pam eich bod chi ddim wedi defnyddio'r grymoedd yma hyd yn hyn, a pham bod angen dod â rhaglen newydd gwrth-hiliaeth i mewn er mwyn atgyfnerthu deddfwriaeth sydd yno'n barod?
English: Does anybody else have something to add before I go on to the next question?
Welsh: Oes gan rywun arall rhywbeth i'w ddweud cyn fy mod yn mynd ymlaen at y cwestiwn nesaf?
English: Well, thank you very much for that response. Forgive me, I'm no clearer. I agree with you that you say that the Government has committed entirely to eradicating racism and helping Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities - I don't think there's a doubt about that. And the evidence that we've received demonstrates that those communities understand that the policy and the framework support them, but they say that the delivery isn't taking place. And this goes back to the question of what is the point having legislation if you can't enforce it. So, why hasn't there been enforcement? What's holding local authorities back in your view from taking action and implementing the legislation and ensuring that there are sites available?
Welsh: Wel, diolch am yr ateb. Maddeuwch imi, dwi'n dal ddim cliriach. Dwi'n cytuno efo chi eich bod chi'n dweud bod y Llywodraeth wedi ymrwymo yn llwyr i waredu hiliaeth ac i helpu cymunedau Sipsiwn, Roma a Theithwyr - dwi ddim yn meddwl bod yna amheuaeth am hynny. Ac yn wir, mae'r dystiolaeth rydym ni wedi cael yn dangos bod y cymunedau hynny yn deall bod y polisi, y fframwaith, yn eu cefnogi nhw, ond maen nhw'n dweud nad ydy'r delivery yno. Ac mae hyn yn mynd yn ôl at y pwynt: beth yw'r pwynt cael deddfwriaeth os nad ydych chi'n medru ei orfodi o? Felly, pam nad oes yna orfodaeth wedi digwydd? Beth sydd yn dal awdurdodau lleol yn ôl yn eich barn chi, felly, rhag gweithredu'r ddeddfwriaeth a sicrhau bod yna lefydd ar gael?
English: Thank you. If I may ask one further question, the figures that you gave are to be welcomed, of course. It suggests the gap between those figures and the experience of the communities that we are talking with here, but any commitment, in terms of funding and policy, is, clearly, to be welcomed. But one other element of evidence that we've received and what the people in these communities are telling us is that their sites, as far as some local authorities are concerned, are situated in inappropriate areas: they're at the sides of dangerous roads; they're far away from services, amenities and shops and so on; that there are no playing areas available for the children; they have to cross these dangerous roads to reach playing fields or to go to school and so on. So, do you think that the way that the local authorities go about selecting sites is appropriate? And do you think that there is a need for local authorities to co-operate and collaborate more with these communities to ensure that the sites are appropriate for them?
Welsh: Diolch. Os caf i fynd at un cwestiwn olaf, mae'r ffigurau y gwnaethoch chi eu rhoi i'w croesawu, wrth gwrs. Mae'n ymddangos fel bod yna gagendor rhwng y ffigurau hynny a phrofiad cymunedau rydym ni'n ymdrin â nhw fan hyn, ond mae unrhyw ymrwymiad ariannol a pholisi i'w croesawu, yn amlwg. Ond un rhan arall o'r dystiolaeth rydym ni wedi'i chael a beth mae pobl yn y cymunedau Roma, Sipsiwn a Theithwyr yn ei ddweud wrthym ni ydy bod eu safleoedd nhw, cyn belled ag y mae rhai awdurdodau lleol yn y cwestiwn, yn cael eu lleoli mewn mannau amhriodol: eu bod nhw ar ochr ffyrdd peryglus; eu bod nhw'n bell o wasanaethau, siopau ac yn y blaen; bod yna ddim meysydd chwarae i'r plant; eu bod nhw'n gorfod croesi'r ffyrdd peryg yma er mwyn cyrraedd maes chwarae, er mwyn mynd i'r ysgol ac yn y blaen. Felly, ydych chi'n meddwl bod y ffordd y mae awdurdodau lleol yn mynd ati i ddethol a dewis llefydd yn briodol? Ac ydych chi'n meddwl bod angen i awdurdodau lleol gydweithio mwy efo'r cymunedau er mwyn sicrhau safle priodol ar eu cyfer nhw?
English: One final point from me, if I may, and please forgive me, but because you are before us, may I take this opportunity to ask on behalf of some of the people I have spoken to in the community - there is a cost-of-living crisis at the moment, and Gypsies, Roma and Travellers live in trailers and it's difficult to maintain heat; they have bottled gas, which is more expensive than any other kind of heating, and they tell us that it is very difficult for them to access some of the grants and financial assistance that is available, especially that which comes from Westminster Government - £400 per head for electricity points. Well, these sites often only have one electricity point, shared between others. So, could you just pass on that message to take that into consideration - that these communities have great difficulty, with very small incomes and higher than usual costs. Forgive me for taking the opportunity.
Welsh: Un pwynt terfynol gen i, os caf i, a maddeuwch imi, gan eich bod chi o'n blaenau ni, a gaf i gymryd y cyfle i ofyn ar ran rhai o'r bobl dwi wedi siarad efo nhw yn y gymuned - mae yna argyfwng costau byw ar hyn o bryd, ac mae Sipsiwn, Roma a Theithwyr yn byw mewn trelars ac mae'n anodd iawn i gynnal gwres; maen nhw'n byw efo nwy potel, sydd yn ddrytach nag unrhyw fath arall o wresogi, ac maen nhw'n dweud wrthym ni ei bod hi'n anodd iawn iddyn nhw gael mynediad at rai o'r grantiau a chymorth ariannol sydd ar gael, yn enwedig cymorth sydd yn dod, rŵan, o Lywodraeth San Steffan - £400 y pen o ran pwyntiau trydan. Wel, un pwynt trydan sydd yn nifer o'r safleoedd yma, yn cael ei rannu rhwng eraill. Felly, os oes posib ichi jest trosglwyddo'r neges i gymryd hwnna i mewn i ystyriaeth - bod y cymunedau hyn yn ei chael hi'n anodd iawn, iawn ar hyn o bryd, efo incwm bach iawn a chostau uwch na'r cyffredin. Maddeuwch imi am gymryd y cyfle.
English: I'll be speaking in Welsh, so I'll just check that the interpretation is working with everyone. Excellent. Thank you very much. We've heard from the news today, if you listen to Radio Cymru, about the Urdd welcome centre. The Urdd is once again pulling its weight and doing excellent work. But the six-month period in terms of that accommodation is now drawing to a close, and a new home will need to be found for the people in that accommodation to move on to. What role do local authorities have in ensuring that there is a home available, that there's a roof above people from Ukraine who are looking for accommodation who are leaving these centres? And are you aware of those who now see themselves as homeless? If I can ask Gaynor to start, please.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Bydda i'n siarad yn Gymraeg. Gaf i wirio bod y cyfieithu'n gweithio efo pawb, os gwelwch yn dda? Ardderchog. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydym ni wedi clywed yn y newyddion heddiw, os ydych chi'n gwrando ar Radio Cymru, am lety croeso yr Urdd. Mae'r Urdd, unwaith eto, chwarae teg, yn tynnu eu pwysau ac yn gwneud gwaith rhagorol. Ond, mae'r cyfnod chwe mis o ran y lletyau croeso yna yn dirwyn i ben, ac mi fydd angen ffeindio cartref i'r bobl sydd yn y lletyau croeso yna i symud iddyn nhw. Pa rôl sydd gan awdurdodau lleol i sicrhau fod yna gartref ar gael, fod yna do uwchben pobl o Wcráin sy'n chwilio am lety sydd hwyrach yn gadael y lletyau croeso yma? Ac ydych chi yn ymwybodol o rai sydd bellach yn gweld eu hunain yn ddigartref? Gaf i ofyn i Gaynor i gychwyn, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: Thank you, Gaynor. Before I ask Naomi or Anne, Gaynor, you say that there's a breakdown in that relationship that's happened between some of the sponsors. Why? What's the cause of that? Is it because you haven't done your work in identifying those sponsors, or have the sponsors not understood the duties upon them? What's the reason for this breakdown?
Welsh: Diolch, Gaynor. Cyn i fi ofyn i Naomi neu Anne, Gaynor, rwyt ti'n dweud bod yna dorri lawr mewn perthynas wedi bod rhwng rhai o'r sponsors. Pam? Beth ydy'r achos? Ai eich bod chi ddim wedi gwneud eich gwaith o adnabod y sponsors, ai'r sponsors sydd ddim wedi deall beth ydy'r dyletswyddau arnyn nhw? Beth ydy'r rheswm am y torri lawr mewn perthynas yma?
English: There are several reasons.
Welsh: Mae sawl reswm.
English: Thank you, Gaynor. If we can go back to the first question with you, Naomi, in terms of the local authorities, and are there people from Ukraine presenting themselves as homeless, or maybe you want to contribute on the last point that was made.
Welsh: Diolch, Gaynor. Naomi, os cawn ni fynd nôl at y cwestiwn cyntaf o ran beth ydy rôl awdurdodau lleol ac a oes yna bobl o Wcráin yn cyflwyno eu hunain yn ddigartref, neu, yn wir, os oes gennych chi gyfraniad at y pwynt olaf a oedd yn cael ei wneud.
English: Thank you, Naomi. Before we go on to Anne, you said something very interesting at the start there, for my mind at least, in terms of the lack of data - that data isn't kept with some of these programmes, like the supersponsor and Homes for Ukraine, and authorities don't necessarily know who's coming in. Who's responsible for that? Why is there no clear data being kept?
Welsh: Diolch, Naomi. Cyn i ni fynd at Anne, dywedoch chi rywbeth difyr iawn ar y cychwyn fan yna, i fy meddwl i, o leiaf, o ran diffyg data - bod data ddim yn cael eu cadw efo rhai o'r rhaglenni yma, y supersponsor, fel oeddech chi'n dweud, a Homes for Ukraine, a dydy awdurdodau lleol ddim yn gwybod pwy sydd yn dod mewn. Pwy sy'n gyfrifol am hynny? Pam bod yna ddim data clir yn cael eu cadw?
English: Excellent. Thank you. You have raised the point that a number of people who are coming here perhaps don't wish to be in Wales; they want to be in England or don't wish to be in a rural area. Are we clear, then, that the places that we do offer are fit for purpose, and do we have a sufficient number of houses and sponsors in the places that are most suitable for Ukrainian refugees? Gaynor.
Welsh: Ardderchog. Diolch. Mi ydych chi wedi codi'r pwynt bod nifer o bobl sy'n dod yma hwyrach ddim yn dymuno bod yng Nghymru; maen nhw eisiau bod yn Lloegr, neu ddim yn dymuno bod mewn ardal wledig. Ydyn ni'n glir, felly, fod y llefydd rydyn ni'n eu cynnig yn addas i bwrpas, ac a oes gennym ni ddigon o noddwyr ac o dai yn y llefydd sy'n fwyaf addas ar gyfer ffoaduriaid o Wcráin? Gaynor.
English: Thank you. I see Anne's hand up there.
Welsh: Diolch am hynny. Dwi'n gweld llaw Anne i fyny.
English: Do you have an idea of what the shortfall is in terms of the numbers of sponsors or the numbers of homes that we need, compared with the numbers from Ukraine who do want to come or who need to be welcomed here in Wales?
Welsh: Oes gennych chi syniad beth ydy'r diffyg yn y nifer o noddwyr neu nifer o dai sydd eu hangen arnom ni, o gymharu efo'r niferoedd o Wcráin sydd am ddod neu sydd angen cael eu croesawu yma yng Nghymru?
English: My personal opinion is that I think that we have learned now in the Welsh sector to be practical and pragmatic. And I think that we have to ask how can we provide for those who are in our care. And, because of that, we can trust the decision to pause. I think we have partnerships and negotiations in place that are smooth enough and bold enough for us to be able to change course. I do think that it's better for us to wait for the evidence and to wait for the evidence from people on the ground before we go on. But, I think there would be terrible problems if we were to receive so many people within these supersponsor schemes without having the provision for them in the long term. It's a difficult balance to be struck, morally and practically, but I think that we should be led by the evidence, and I think, currently, the evidence is quite robust.
Welsh: Fy marn bersonol ydy dwi'n creu ein bod ni wedi dysgu, bellach, yn y sector Cymraeg i fod yn ymarferol ac yn bragmataidd. A dwi'n credu ei bod o'n ofynnol i ni ofyn sut fedrwn ni ddarparu yn gymwys ar gyfer y rhai sydd eisoes yn ein dwylo ni. Ac, oherwydd hynny, mi fyddwn ni'n fodlon ymddiried yn y penderfyniad i wneud y gohiriad yna. Dwi'n credu bod gennym ni bartneriaethau a thrafodaethau mewn lle sydd yn ddigon llyfn ac yn ddigon eofn inni allu newid cwrs. Dwi'n credu ei fod o'n well inni ddisgwyl am y dystiolaeth a gwell inni ddisgwyl am y storïau ar lawr daear cyn i ni roi unrhyw amser ar hwnna. Ond, dwi'n credu y byddai yna drafferthion enbyd pe byddem ni'n derbyn cynifer o bobl oddi fewn i'r cynlluniau uwch-noddi yna heb gael y modd i ddarparu ar eu cyfer nhw yn yr hirdymor. Mae o'n gydbwysedd anodd yn foesol ac yn ymarferol, ond dwi'n credu y dylem ni gael ein harwain gan y dystiolaeth, a dwi'n credu ar hyn o bryd fod y dystiolaeth yn eithaf cadarn.
English: Thank you, Chair. Good morning to all of you. Thank you very much to all of you for joining us this morning and sharing your expertise and knowledge with us. Now, you spoke there about the accommodation available and perhaps it's wise to have that temporary pause on this process, because we do need to understand where we are in terms of the resources that we have. The major resource that we have is accommodation for refugees. Do we have sufficient accommodation in Wales for refugees from Ukraine - the numbers we want to welcome in the short term and in the long term? Reynette.
Welsh: Diolch, Cadeirydd. Bore da i chi i gyd. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd am fynychu'r bore yma a rhoi o'ch gallu a'ch gwybodaeth i ni. Rŵan, roeddech chi'n sôn yn fanna am letyau sydd ar gael a hwyrach ei fod o'n ddoeth i gael rhyw atal dros dro ar y broses yma oherwydd bod angen inni ddeall lle dŷn ni arni o ran yr adnoddau sydd gennym ni. Y prif adnodd, wrth gwrs, ydy lletyau ar gyfer ffoaduriaid. Oes gennym ni ddigon o letyau yma yng Nghymru ar gyfer ffoaduriaid o Wcráin - y niferoedd dŷn ni am eu croesawu yn y tymor byr ac yn y tymor hir? Reynette.
English: When local government tells us that they are facing huge challenges in terms of homelessness, that is very credible and the evidence is there to show say that it's a challenge for us all. I also think that, as a result of what's happened, especially with Afghanistan and also Ukraine, it perhaps leads us to ask more ethical questions about what's happening with the housing that we do have in Wales, and that means a principled shift to make sure that we do provide housing in response to need, rather than its current use. And that asks questions in terms of policy at Welsh Government level, and it asks for a huge shift, I would say, in the way that we view the resources that we do have. And what I would say, in trying to be inspiring in these things, is that, yes, we do have enough housing, but our housing isn't used in a purposeful and beneficial way, and that's where that principled shift has to be. It's not just a case of building more houses; it means that we have to, as a society, have a new way of perceiving housing and how it's provided, not only for refugees but also local people in their own areas.
Welsh: Pan fydd llywodraeth leol yn dweud wrthym ni eu bod nhw'n wynebu heriau aruthrol o ran digartrefedd, mae hynny'n gwbl gredadwy ac mae'r dystiolaeth yna i ddweud ei fod o'n her ar ein cyfer ni i gyd. Dwi'n credu, yn sgil beth sydd wedi digwydd, yn arbennig efo Affganistan a hefyd Wcráin, ei fod o'n ysgogiad i ni efallai i ofyn cwestiynau mwy egwyddorol ynglŷn â beth sy'n digwydd efo'r tai sydd gennym ni yng Nghymru, a bod hynny'n golygu symud egwyddorol o'r radd flaenaf i ofalu ein bod ni yn darparu anheddau ar gyfer yr angen yn hytrach na'r defnydd sy'n cael ei roi ar hyn o bryd. Ac mae hwnna'n gofyn cwestiynau mawr yn nhermau polisi ar lefel Llywodraeth Cymru, ac mae'n gofyn am symud enfawr, ddywedwn i, yn y ffordd yr ydym ni'n gweld yr adnoddau sydd gennym ni. A beth fyddwn i'n dweud - trio bod yn ysbrydoledig yn y pethau yma - ydy, oes, mae gennym ni ddigon o dai ond dydy'n tai ni ddim yn cael eu defnyddio'n bwrpasol ac yn fuddiol ar hyn o bryd, ac yn fanno mae'r symud egwyddorol yn gorfod bod. Dydy o ddim yn fater o jest adeiladu mwy o dai; mae'n golygu bod rhaid inni gael, fel cymdeithas, ffordd gwbl newydd o weld tai a sut yr ydym ni'n eu darparu nhw, nid yn unig ar gyfer ffoaduriaid, ond pobl sydd yn fwy cynefin mewn ardaloedd.