English: Like others, I'd like to take the opportunity this afternoon to thank Lord Thomas and his colleagues, his commissioners and the staff that supported them in producing this report. I'd also like to say that I wholeheartedly agreed with the approach that the First Minister outlined in introducing this debate and I hope that we can move progress on this matter with some speed and some urgency. When I was first appointed with responsibility for justice, I was absolutely shocked at what I saw - absolutely profoundly shocked and moved by the state of the criminal justice system in this country. And this report - Mark Reckless described it as an indictment of the criminal justice system in England and Wales. It isn't: it's an indictment of the system in Wales. The issues that we're trying to grapple with and address here don't exist the other side of the border in anything like the same way. That's not to say I support the approach taken by the United Kingdom Government there, but they do not have the issues that we deal with here. And a senior civil servant put it very well when they said to me that we're in a situation here where the UK Government is unable to deliver policy - completely unable to deliver policy - but neither can the Welsh Government. Neither the Welsh nor the UK Governments able to deliver a policy in this area. It is absolutely and profoundly wrong because - [ Interruption. ] I will give way in a moment. And the people who suffer - the people who suffer - are the people who are languishing in a system that is unable to meet their needs or the needs of the wider society for justice.
Welsh: Fel eraill, hoffwn i fanteisio ar y cyfle y prynhawn yma i ddiolch i'r Arglwydd Thomas a'i gydweithwyr, ei gomisiynwyr a'r staff a'u cefnogodd wrth lunio'r adroddiad hwn. Hoffwn i ddweud hefyd fy mod yn cytuno'n llwyr â'r dull a amlinellwyd gan y Prif Weinidog wrth gyflwyno'r ddadl hon ac rwy'n gobeithio y gallwn ni symud ymlaen ar y mater hwn yn gyflym ac ar fyrder. Pan gefais i fy mhenodi â chyfrifoldeb dros gyfiawnder am y tro cyntaf, cefais i fy syfrdanu'n fawr gan yr hyn a welais i - fy syfrdanu'n llwyr a chael ysgytwad ofnadwy oherwydd cyflwr y system cyfiawnder troseddol yn y wlad hon. Ac mae'r adroddiad hwn - dywedodd Mark Reckless ei fod yn gondemniad o'r system cyfiawnder troseddol yng Nghymru a Lloegr. Nid yw hynny'n wir: mae'n gondemniad o'r system yng Nghymru. Nid yw'r materion yr ydym ni'n ceisio mynd i'r afael â nhw a rhoi sylw iddyn nhw yma yn bodoli yr ochr arall i'r ffin yn yr un ffordd o gwbl. Nid yw hynny'n golygu fy mod yn cefnogi ymagwedd Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig yn hyn o beth, ond nid oes ganddyn nhw'r problemau yr ydym ni'n ymdrin â nhw yma. A mynegodd uwch was sifil hynny'n dda iawn pan ddywedodd wrthyf i ein bod mewn sefyllfa yma lle nad yw Llywodraeth y DU yn gallu cyflawni polisi - nad yw'n gallu cyflawni polisi o gwbl - ond ni all Llywodraeth Cymru wneud hynny ychwaith. Nid yw Llywodraethau Cymru na'r DU yn gallu cyflawni polisi yn y maes hwn. Mae'n gwbl anghywir oherwydd - [ Torri ar draws. ] Byddaf i'n ildio mewn eiliad. A'r bobl sy'n dioddef - y bobl sy'n dioddef - yw'r bobl sy'n dihoeni mewn system nad yw'n gallu diwallu eu hanghenion nac anghenion y gymdeithas ehangach am gyfiawnder.