English: Well, I'm sorry to disappoint the Member, but the notion that he's not part of the establishment is really quite ridiculous, and I'm certainly not going to take any lessons about integrity and trust from him, and I think we'll see on Thursday how closely attached he is to popular opinion when the voters of Newport give their opinion. The point, in all seriousness, which he makes - the notion that people are going out of their way not to respect the result of the 2016 referendum is part of a broader narrative that has created the corrosive nature of the debate around Brexit in this country. What we actually have happening, in Parliament principally - and I hope that he would have known this, as a former Member of Parliament, and acknowledged it - is people wrestling with a very complex set of judgments around how best to respect that referendum in a way that doesn't damage the livelihoods of the individuals and communities that they and we represent. 'Securing Wales' Future' was our attempt to do that - recognising the result of the referendum and describing a kind of relationship post Brexit between Wales and the EU, which works best in the interest of Wales. And the, sort of, reductionist view that 'leave equals leave', as though that had some kind of independent meaning from this complicated process, I think does no service to the debate at all. And I will just repeat the point I made to Darren Millar clearly, that, in our language, it is no part of public leadership to be throwing around words like 'betrayal' in a particularly febrile context. These are people of goodwill reaching difficult judgments in a very, very heated environment, and we should all do our best to seek to engage with the issues on that basis.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n ddrwg gennyf siomi'r Aelod, ond mae'r syniad nad yw'n rhan o'r sefydliad yn eithaf chwerthinllyd, ac yn sicr nid wyf am droi ato ef am unrhyw wersi am ddidwylledd ac ymddiriedaeth, ac rwy'n credu y gwelwn ni ddydd Iau faint mae'n arddel y farn gyhoeddus pan fo pleidleiswyr Casnewydd yn lleisio'u barn. Y pwynt, o ddifrif, y mae'n ei wneud - mae'r syniad bod pobl yn cwmpasu môr a thir i beidio â pharchu canlyniad refferendwm 2016 yn rhan o'r naratif ehangach sydd wedi creu natur annifyr y ddadl ynghylch Brexit yn y wlad hon. Yr hyn sydd gennym ni mewn gwirionedd yn digwydd, yn y Senedd yn bennaf - ac rwy'n gobeithio ei fod yn gwybod hyn, ac yntau'n gyn-Aelod Seneddol, ac yn cydnabod - yw bod pobl yn ymgodymu â chyfuniad cymhleth iawn o syniadau ynghylch sut orau i barchu'r refferendwm hwnnw mewn ffordd nad yw'n niweidio bywoliaeth unigolion a chymunedau y maen nhw a ninnau yn eu cynrychioli. 'Diogelu Dyfodol Cymru' oedd ein hymgais i wneud hynny - cydnabod canlyniad y refferendwm a disgrifio math o berthynas ar ôl Brexit rhwng Cymru a'r Undeb Ewropeaidd, sy'n gweithio orau er budd Cymru. Ac nid wyf yn credu bod y farn gor-syml yma, i raddau, bod 'gadael yn golygu gadael', fel bod gan hynny ryw fath o ystyr sy'n annibynnol i'r broses gymhleth hon, o unrhyw fudd i'r ddadl o gwbl. Ac fe wnaf i ailadrodd y pwynt a wnes i yn glir wrth Darren Millar, nad yw hi, yn ein hiaith, nid yw hi'n unrhyw ran o arweinyddiaeth gyhoeddus i bedlera geiriau fel 'brad' mewn cyd-destun arbennig o gynhennus. Mae'r rhain yn bobl o ewyllys da sy'n gwneud penderfyniadau anodd mewn amgylchiadau ymfflamychol iawn, iawn, ac fe ddylem ni i gyd wneud ein gorau i geisio ymdrin â'r materion ar y sail honno.