English: I'd like to thank Dai Lloyd for his comments and for his kind thanks, as well, for the way that I and my office have been able to discuss proposals with him and with Adam Price. I've said before that I've no monopoly on wisdom or any copyrights on good ideas, and I think what this process has shown us is that, actually, it's really important that we should share good ideas, discuss and debate them, and then reach an informed position, rather than to just flippantly reject them. For that reason, I can assure the Member that I'm very much open to alternatives being proposed during the course of the consultation. That was one of the reasons why I wanted to make sure the consultation was open for a good period, so that it allows us to take into consideration the latest position, in particular with regard to the Scottish Government's model and the recent judgment north of the border as well, because that clearly had an impact on the way that we approached your party's model for a national infrastructure commission for Wales. I won't rehearse the other issues that we've had during discussions and the concerns that I've raised in the Chamber and in private discussions with you. Suffice it to say that I am open to persuasive arguments for amending the model that I have proposed this week. In terms of the level of infrastructure that is required to fuel economic growth in the future, I think it's also important that we respect the role of the private sector in delivering what could be game-changing projects in Wales. For that reason, I think the commission's role in taking a long-term look at our infrastructure needs will be absolutely essential. In terms of two projects alone, Wylfa Newydd and the tidal lagoon in Swansea bay, we have the potential to lever in more than £15 billion of investment and provide work for thousands upon thousands of people for many years to come. That's important because it requires Welsh Government to ensure that the infrastructure that's necessary is in place for those projects to be delivered on time and in a way that captures as many job opportunities as possible for local people. I think that's why as well, alongside the development of the commission, it's going to be important that we gain an evidence base from the Better Jobs, Closer to Home pilot to inform how we're going to be ensuring that major infrastructure projects benefit communities and people that perhaps in the past have not benefitted from major infrastructure projects. In terms of social infrastructure, I feel that the processes in place at present for determining where and what social infrastructure should be delivered are fair and are operating properly, and operating responsibly. But, again, during the process of the consultation, I would be open to any persuasive arguments to the contrary.
Welsh: Hoffwn ddiolch i Dai Lloyd am ei sylwadau ac am ei ddiolch diffuant, hefyd, am y modd yr wyf i a'm swyddfa wedi gallu trafod cynigion gydag ef ac Adam Price. Rwyf wedi dweud o'r blaen nad oes gen i ddim monopoli ar ddoethineb neu unrhyw hawlfreintiau ar syniadau da. Ac rwy'n meddwl mai'r hyn y mae'r broses hon wedi ei dangos i ni yw, mewn gwirionedd, ei bod yn bwysig iawn inni rannu syniadau da, eu trafod a chynnal dadl arnynt, ac yna gyrraedd sefyllfa gytbwys, yn hytrach na'u gwrthod yn ysmala. Am y rheswm hwnnw, gallaf sicrhau'r Aelod fy mod yn barod iawn i ddewisiadau eraill gael eu cynnig yn ystod yr ymgynghoriad. Roedd hynny'n un o'r rhesymau pam yr wyf yn awyddus i wneud yn siŵr bod yr ymgynghoriad ar agor am gyfnod da, fel y bydd yn ein galluogi ni i ystyried y sefyllfa ddiweddaraf, yn enwedig o safbwynt model Llywodraeth yr Alban a'r dyfarniad diweddar i'r gogledd o'r ffin hefyd. Mae hynny yn amlwg wedi cael effaith ar y ffordd yr ymdriniwyd â model eich plaid chi am gomisiwn seilwaith cenedlaethol ar gyfer Cymru. Ni fyddaf yn ailadrodd y materion eraill yr ydym wedi eu cael yn ystod y trafodaethau a'r pryderon yr wyf wedi eu codi yn y Siambr ac mewn trafodaethau preifat gyda chi. Digon yw dweud fy mod yn agored i ddadleuon cryf dros newid y model yr wyf wedi'i gynnig yr wythnos hon. O ran lefel y seilwaith sydd ei angen i danio twf economaidd yn y dyfodol, rwy'n credu ei bod hefyd yn bwysig ein bod yn parchu swyddogaeth y sector preifat o ran cyflawni'r hyn a allai fod yn brosiectau sy'n newid pethau yng Nghymru. Am y rheswm hwnnw, rwy'n credu y bydd swyddogaeth y comisiwn i gymryd golwg hirdymor ar ein hanghenion seilwaith yn gwbl hanfodol. O ran dau brosiect yn unig, Wylfa Newydd a'r morlyn llanw ym mae Abertawe, mae gennym y potensial i ddenu mwy na £15 biliwn o fuddsoddiad a darparu gwaith i filoedd ar filoedd o bobl am flynyddoedd lawer i ddod. Mae hynny'n bwysig am ei bod yn ofynnol i Lywodraeth Cymru sicrhau bod y seilwaith sy'n angenrheidiol eisoes wedi'i sefydlu er mwyn i'r prosiectau hynny gael eu cyflenwi mewn pryd ac mewn ffordd sy'n cipio cymaint o gyfleoedd gwaith â phosibl i bobl leol. Rwy'n meddwl mai dyna pam, hefyd, ochr yn ochr â datblygiad y comisiwn, mae'n mynd i fod yn bwysig ein bod yn cael sail dystiolaeth oddi wrth Swyddi Gwell, yn Nes at y Cartref i lywio sut yr ydym yn mynd i fod yn sicrhau bod prosiectau seilwaith mawr o fudd i gymunedau a phobl nad ydynt efallai wedi elwa o brosiectau seilwaith mawr yn y gorffennol. O ran seilwaith cymdeithasol, rwy'n teimlo bod y prosesau sydd ar waith ar hyn o bryd ar gyfer pennu ble a pha seilwaith cymdeithasol y dylid ei ddarparu yn deg ac yn gweithredu'n briodol, ac yn gweithredu'n gyfrifol. Ond, unwaith eto, yn ystod y broses ymgynghori, byddwn yn agored i unrhyw ddadleuon cryf i'r gwrthwyneb.