English: Thank you for that concise answer, Minister, and I fully understand why you're responding to this question as opposed to the First Minister. I would also like to put my apologies to Carl Sargeant and Jack Sargeant's family because obviously this Chamber did not get the answers that they required and the family felt that they had to go to court to get this judgment today. This is a damning judgment, to say the least. It says an unlawful act was undertaken - that's the judgment. It highlights three areas in particular. It says the Permanent Secretary did not have a free hand when setting up this inquiry, despite statement after statement, and I refer just to one on 18 September, where the then First Minister said 'I've not interfered with the protocol at all.' That's on the record, that is, and there are many other statements like that. The second conclusion of the judgment today says the Permanent Secretary did not carry out the preparations for the inquiry separately from the First Minister's office, despite the former First Minister clearly saying that it was an arm's-length inquiry that was undertaken by the Permanent Secretary and neither his office nor himself had any input into it at all. And the third and final point is that the then First Minister still had control over the process; indeed, he effectively had the last say and control on the final form of the operational protocol. That is a damning judgment by any measure. I want to know exactly how the Welsh Government is going to take forward its response. I appreciate it's only a few hours old, this judgment, but we need a clear understanding of how we're going to get your response to this judgment. We need to understand what engagement you're going to have with the Sargeant family in particular, to make sure that there can be a resolution of these items so that the inquiry can proceed, and that it doesn't have to proceed through the courts, and the Government get dragged through the courts again. And thirdly, I want to see what action is going to be taken to make sure that there is clear separation between the Government and the independence of the civil service, because importantly here, the Permanent Secretary is the guardian of that independence, and this judgment clearly indicates that there has been a compromise of that independence. And I believe you can give us some assurance today on how you're going to respond to us, but we need that timeline so that this isn't just left on the shelf. As I said, this is a damning judgment, and the family deserve far better from us an institution and you as a Government.
Welsh: Diolch am eich ateb cryno, Weinidog, ac rwy'n deall yn iawn pam mai chi sy'n ymateb i'r cwestiwn hwn yn hytrach na'r Prif Weinidog. Hoffwn hefyd ymddiheuro i deulu Carl Sargeant a Jack Sargeant, oherwydd yn amlwg, ni chafodd y Siambr hon yr atebion roeddent eu hangen ac roedd y teulu'n teimlo bod yn rhaid iddynt fynd i'r llys i gael y dyfarniad hwn heddiw. Mae hwn yn ddyfarniad damniol, a dweud y lleiaf. Mae'n dweud bod gweithred anghyfreithlon wedi'i chyflawni - dyna'r dyfarniad. Mae'n nodi tri maes yn benodol. Mae'n dweud nad oedd gan yr Ysgrifennydd Parhaol ryddid i weithredu wrth sefydlu'r ymchwiliad hwn, er gwaethaf datganiad ar ôl datganiad, a chyfeiriaf at un ar 18 Medi, lle dywedodd y Prif Weinidog ar y pryd 'Nid wyf i wedi ymyrryd â'r protocol o gwbl.' Mae hynny wedi'i gofnodi, a cheir llawer o ddatganiadau eraill tebyg. Dywed ail gasgliad y dyfarniad heddiw na chyflawnodd yr Ysgrifennydd Parhaol y paratoadau ar gyfer yr ymchwiliad ar wahân i swyddfa'r Prif Weinidog, er bod y cyn Brif Weinidog wedi dweud yn glir fod yr ymchwiliad a gynhaliwyd gan yr Ysgrifennydd Parhaol yn ymchwiliad hyd braich ac nad oedd ganddo ef na'i swyddfa unrhyw fewnbwn iddo o gwbl. A'r trydydd pwynt a'r pwynt olaf yw bod gan y Prif Weinidog ar y pryd reolaeth dros y broses; yn wir, i bob pwrpas, cafodd y gair olaf a rheolaeth ar ffurf derfynol y protocol gweithredol. Mae hwnnw'n ddyfarniad damniol sut bynnag yr edrychir arno. Hoffwn wybod sut yn union y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru'n bwrw ymlaen â'i hymateb. Rwy'n derbyn mai dim ond ers ychydig oriau y cafwyd y dyfarniad hwn, ond mae angen inni ddeall yn glir sut rydym yn mynd i gael eich ymateb i'r farn hon. Mae angen inni ddeall pa ymgysylltiad y byddwch yn ei gael gyda theulu'r Sargeantiaid yn arbennig, i sicrhau y gellir datrys y materion hyn fel y gall yr ymchwiliad fynd rhagddo, ac fel nad oes yn rhaid i'r mater fynd drwy'r llysoedd, a fyddai'n golygu bod y Llywodraeth yn cael ei llusgo drwy'r llysoedd eto. Ac yn drydydd, hoffwn weld pa gamau a gymerir i sicrhau bod gwahaniad clir rhwng y Llywodraeth ac annibyniaeth y gwasanaeth sifil, oherwydd yn bwysig yma, yr Ysgrifennydd Parhaol yw gwarcheidwad yr annibyniaeth honno, ac mae'r dyfarniad hwn yn dangos yn glir fod yr annibyniaeth honno wedi'i pheryglu. A chredaf y gallwch roi rhywfaint o sicrwydd inni heddiw ynglŷn â sut y byddwch yn ymateb i ni, ond mae arnom angen yr amserlen honno fel nad yw hyn yn cael ei anghofio. Fel y dywedais, mae hwn yn ddyfarniad damniol, ac mae'r teulu'n haeddu llawer gwell gennym ni fel sefydliad a gennych chi fel Llywodraeth.