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English: If I could look at my notes - I think it's £500 million in terms of the private sector contribution. That includes a large percentage of one particular project, which is the port of Holyhead project and the private sector contribution to that, and the rest, without looking into the detail in front of me, comes from the colleges, which are considered as part of the private sector.
Welsh: Os gwnaf i edrych ar fy nodiadau - dwi'n meddwl ei fod o'n £500 miliwn o gyfraniad gan y sector breifat. Mae hwnnw yn cynnwys cyfran fawr o un prosiect arbennig, sef porthladd Caergybi a chyfraniad o'r sector breifat at hwnnw, ac mae'r gweddill, dwi'n credu, heb fynd i fanylion o'm blaen i felly, yn dod o'r colegau, sydd yn cael eu hystyried fel rhan o'r sector breifat.
English: The payments from the growth deal equalise over 15 years. So, it will be - I don't remember. I'm doing the sum quite quickly now - let's say it will be £20 million per annum over the 15 years. My maths isn't particularly strong. But, naturally, the expenditure, we hope, will be significant - certainly in the first five years - which will mean that there will be a gap between the income that we receive and what we have to spend. Now, that causes a significant problem to the six councils in terms of our ability to address that gap and to fill that gap. Every council is under financial pressures and there is significant concern about the cost of that kind of borrowing. Part of the solution, of course, is either that we receive the funds in a different way that corresponds to the expenditure profile, or otherwise we will have to extend the project completion period so that the expenditure matches the income. That is quite a significant question that we're facing at the moment, and I'm sure that as we do develop our business plans now, it's an issue that we will have to look at very carefully indeed.
Welsh: Mae taliadau'r cynllun twf yn dod yn gyfartal dros 15 mlynedd. Felly, mi fydd o'n - dwi ddim yn cofio. Dwi'n gwneud y sym yn sydyn rŵan, felly - mi fydd o, ddywedwn ni, yn £20 miliwn y flwyddyn dros y 15 mlynedd. Dydy'r sym yna ddim yn dda iawn. Ond, yn naturiol, mi fydd y gwariant, dŷn ni'n gobeithio, yn sylweddol - yn sicr yn y pum mlynedd cyntaf - sy'n golygu bod yna fwlch rhwng yr incwm dŷn ni'n ei gael a'r hyn dŷn ni'n gorfod ei wario. Rŵan, mae hynny yn achosi problem sylweddol iawn, iawn i'r chwe chyngor a'n gallu ni i gyfarch y bwlch yna. Mae pob un cyngor o dan bwysau ariannol ac mae yna bryder sylweddol ynglŷn â beth fyddai cost y math yna o fenthyg. Rhan o'r ateb, wrth gwrs, ydy un ai ein bod ni'n derbyn yr arian mewn ffordd wahanol sy'n cyfateb â'r proffil gwario, neu wrth gwrs, fel arall, bydd yn rhaid inni ymestyn cyfnod cwblhau'r prosiectau fel bod y gwario yn matsio'r incwm, felly. Mae hynny yn gwestiwn eithaf sylweddol i ni ar hyn o bryd, ac mae'n debyg y byddwn ni, wrth inni ddatblygu ein cynlluniau busnes manwl rŵan - mae o'n fater y bydd yn rhaid inni edrych arno fo'n ofalus iawn, iawn.
English: I would say that our ambition is unchanged, and I think that we, as the North Wales Economic Ambition Board - and to set it aside from the growth deal - have a big ambition for north Wales. We do repeatedly state that this isn't just about growth - there are other sources of funding that we would have an interest in applying for, and the growth bid is part of that vision, therefore. So, there's no change as to our vision over the past year at all, I would say.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n dweud dydy ein huchelgais ni ddim wedi newid, a dwi'n credu bod gennym ni, fel bwrdd uchelgais economaidd y gogledd - a'i roi o ar wahân i'r cais twf - uchelgais sylweddol iawn ar gyfer y gogledd. Dŷn ni'n datgan yn gyson, felly, nad cais twf yn unig sydd o bwys i ni - mae yna ffynonellau eraill o arian y byddem ni â diddordeb mewn ymgeisio amdanyn nhw, ac mae'r cais twf yn rhan o'r weledigaeth yna, felly. Felly, does yna ddim newid wedi bod yn ein gweledigaeth ni yn ystod y flwyddyn ddiweddaf o gwbl, dwi ddim yn credu.
English: Well, that takes us back to the previous question we had about the cash flow. We're eager to look at income sources arising from the projects. One thing that comes to mind is the digital projects we have where we will be taking ownership of the channels carrying fibre broadband. We think that there is potential there to have income for that trunking in that area, for private companies. So, we are trying to look at all opportunities available to create income. We have also referred to the fact that we have made a bid to Welsh Government, or there has been negotiation, regarding having a proportion of NDR, of any uplift in non-domestic rates - that we would have a proportion of that as a rebate from Welsh Government. A classic example of that would be if we were to develop industrial and business sites, then there would be an uplift in the tax value, and we would ask for a proportion of that back.
Welsh: Mae hynny'n mynd yn ôl, hwyrach, i'r cwestiwn diweddaraf gawsom ni ynglŷn â'r llif arian. Rydyn ni'n awyddus i edrych ar ffynonellau incwm yn deillio o'r prosiectau. Mae'n debyg mai'r un sy'n dod i'r meddwl yn gyntaf ydy'n prosiectau digidol ni lle dŷn ni'n mynd i fod yn berchen ar - beth alwn ni nhw - y sianeli sydd yn cario'r gwifrau ffeibr. Dŷn ni'n credu bod yna botensial masnachol yn fanna i gael incwm i osod y safleoedd - y trunking yna, os liciwch chi - i'r byd yna, felly, i gwmnïau preifat, felly. Felly, dŷn ni'n trio edrych ar bob cyfle sydd yna i greu incwm. Dŷn ni hefyd wedi cyfeirio at y ffaith ein bod ni wedi gwneud cais i Lywodraeth Cymru, neu mae yna drafodaeth wedi bod, ynglŷn â chael cyfran o'r NDR, o unrhyw gynnydd yn y dreth annomestig - byddem ni'n cael cyfran o hwnnw fel cyfraniad yn ôl gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Enghraifft glasurol o hynny fyddai os ydym ni'n datblygu'r safleoedd busnes a diwydiannol, yna mae yna, yn sicr, gynnydd yn y gwerth trethiannol, os liciwch chi, ac mi fyddwn ni'n gofyn am gyfran o hwnnw'n ôl, felly.
English: Yes. Very simply, what we've had to do is reduce the number of projects. We can't achieve everything, so it's a fairly simple matter, to tell the truth. If you don't have £100 in your hand, well, you have to achieve what you can with what you do have. But in the meantime, I do emphasise that we are always looking for other sources of funding. We have been successful with a bid - would you remind me?
Welsh: Do. Yn syml iawn, beth dŷn ni wedi gorfod ei wneud ydy tynnu nôl, lleihau'r prosiectau. Dŷn ni ddim yn gallu cyflawni'r cwbl ohonyn nhw, felly mae o'n fater eithaf syml, a dweud y gwir. Os nad oes gennych chi £100 yn eich llaw, wel, mae'n rhaid ichi gyflawni beth gallwch chi efo'r hyn sydd gennych chi. Ond dwi'n pwysleisio, yn y cyfamser, rydyn ni'n gyson yn chwilio am ffynonellau eraill o arian. Dŷn ni wedi bod yn llwyddiannus â chais - a wnei di fy atgoffa?
English: From what I have seen, the political relationship between the two Governments is relatively good, as far as I can see. But of course, we have two Governments with different programmes and different agendas. On occasion, there is some tension there, quite naturally; you would expect that. On occasion, we are pulled one way by the Westminster Government, and we might be pulled another way by the Welsh Government. I don't have any specific examples, but in the case of Westminster -
Welsh: O'r hyn dwi wedi'i weld, mae'r berthynas wleidyddol rhwng y ddwy Lywodraeth yn eithaf da, hyd y gwelaf i. Ond wrth gwrs, mae gennym ni ddwy Lywodraeth â rhaglenni gwahanol, gydag agenda gwahanol, onid oes? Weithiau, mae yna dyndra yn fanna, yn naturiol; buasech chi'n disgwyl hynny. Weithiau, dŷn ni'n cael ein tynnu un ffordd gan Lywodraeth Westminster, ac weithiau dŷn ni'n cael ein tynnu yn y ffordd arall. Does gen i ddim enghreifftiau penodol. Wel, yn achos Westminster, roedd yna gryn -
English: There is a substantial difference, I would agree. I do think that there is an almost in-principle difference. There is pressure from the Westminster Government - almost, you would say, that they are eager for the private sector to lead on these issues. Now, I wouldn't agree with that approach. It's possible that we would be more inclined towards the attitude of the Welsh Government rather than the Westminster Government on that issue, but despite that, I think that that is the nature of any kind of discussion between three parties, if you like. There will be differences, and we in north Wales, by the way, are asking for a number of issues to be devolved to north Wales that the Welsh Government isn't eager to devolve to us. So, that discussion is ongoing, and I don't think that we will ever be entirely agreed on one single plan.
Welsh: Mae yna wahaniaeth sylweddol, dwi'n cytuno. Dwi'n meddwl bod yna wahaniaeth mewn egwyddor, bron, onid oes? Mae yna wahaniaeth - . Mae yna bwysau o du Llywodraeth Westminster - bron y buasech chi'n dweud eu bod nhw'n awyddus iawn i'r sector breifat arwain ar y materion yma. Byddwn i ddim yn cytuno â hynny. Mae'n bosib y byddem ni'n fwy cytunedig ag agwedd Llywodraeth Cymru nag agwedd Westminster. Ond er hynny, dwi'n credu mai dyna ydy natur unrhyw fath ar drafodaeth rhwng tri pharti, os liciwch chi. Mae yna wahaniaethau yn mynd i fod. Mi ydyn ni yn y gogledd, gyda llaw, yn gofyn am faterion dŷn ni'n awyddus iawn i'w datganoli i'r gogledd - nifer o faterion - hwyrach nad ydy Llywodraeth Cymru yn awyddus i'w wneud. Felly, mae'r drafodaeth yna yn parhau, onid ydy? Dwi ddim yn credu y byddwn ni byth yn cytuno ar un cynllun.
English: There are a number of our projects, for example the land and property project, where it is necessary to have that public investment in order to release private investment. We have five sites across north Wales that are underused because the private sector is unable, or is unable to afford, or doesn't wish to develop those sites. Now, our investment will enable them to do that. And I agree: I do think that we do need that public investment in order to drive the private sector. That's our vision, I think: let us do these difficult pieces of work, and the private sector will come on board to cover their part.
Welsh: Mae yna nifer o'n prosiectau ni, er enghraifft y prosiect tir ac adeiladau, lle mae hi'n angenrheidiol cael y buddsoddiad cyhoeddus er mwyn rhyddhau'r buddsoddiad preifat. Hynny yw, a dweud y gwir, mae gennym ni bum safle ar draws y gogledd sy'n cael eu tanddefnyddio oherwydd nad yw'r sector breifat yn gallu, neu'n gallu fforddio, neu'n dymuno, eu datblygu nhw. Mae ein buddsoddiad ni yn mynd i alluogi iddyn nhw wneud hynny, ac mae hwnnw'n rhan, wrth gwrs - . A dwi'n cytuno: dwi'n credu bod angen buddsoddiad cyhoeddus yna i danio'r sector breifat. Dyna ydy ein gweledigaeth ni, dwi'n credu: gadewch inni wneud y darnau anodd yma, os liciwch chi, ac fe ddaw'r sector breifat i wneud eu gwaith nhw.
English: Do you want me to - ?
Welsh: Ydych chi eisiau i mi - ?
English: If we just take a step back, the North Wales Economic Ambition Board was established in around 2011, and this partnership between the councils and the education and private sectors was established at that point. So, that work of working regionally and working collaboratively at a regional level was already established in north Wales -
Welsh: Wel, jest cam yn ôl, felly, fe sefydlwyd bwrdd uchelgais economaidd y gogledd yn tua 2011, ac fe sefydlwyd y bartneriaeth yma rhwng y cynghorau a'r sector addysg a'r sector breifat bryd hynny. Felly, mae'r gwaith yna o weithredu yn rhanbarthol yn gydweithredol eisoes wedi'i sefydlu yn y gogledd, cyn i'r Gweinidog -
English: Yes. It is, as it happens, exactly the same region as the region that the Minister has designated too. So, I'm pleased to say that the Minister agrees with what we're doing in terms of the economy in north Wales.
Welsh: Ydy. Mae o ar yr un - . Mae'n digwydd bod yn union yr un rhanbarth ag y mae'r Gweinidog wedi'i benderfynu arno hefyd, felly. Mae'n dda gen i ddweud, felly, fod y Gweinidog yn cytuno efo beth rydym ni'n ei wneud o safbwynt yr economi yn y gogledd, felly.
English: That is a centrally important question for us. There are two things that I would like to refer to. In the initial negotiations that we had as leaders in north Wales, there was a tension between the economic activity in the east and the lack or comparative lack of activity in the west. So, it was a very different kind of economy, based on very small companies. But, in the east, of course, despite all of that economic activity, there are pockets of deprivation, and we are very aware of that. So, our objectives, through improving opportunities - . The skills partnership element is hugely important here - that we do develop the skills of our workforce to fill the posts that will emerge from this project. Another aspect of this, quite interestingly - certainly for me - was to hear that transport was important in the east in order to enable those people living in those deprived areas to access places of work, and I didn't realise at that time that that was a problem. It's a problem for us in rural areas, of course; transport is crucially important, but it's a different kind of problem there. Our transport plan does help in terms of the accessibility of workplaces.
Welsh: Mae hwnnw'n gwestiwn creiddiol i ni. Mae dau beth y buaswn i'n licio cyfeirio atyn nhw, felly. Yn y trafodaethau dechreuol roeddem ni'n eu cael fel arweinwyr y gogledd, felly, mi oedd yna densiwn rhwng bwrlwm economaidd yn y dwyrain a'r diffyg bwrlwm economaidd yn y gorllewin - neu fath o economi gwahanol iawn iawn, yn seiliedig ar fusnesau bach iawn iawn. Ond, wrth gwrs, yn y dwyrain, er gwaethaf y bwrlwm economaidd yna, mae yna bocedi o ddifreintedd sylweddol, onid oes, ac rydym ni'n ymwybodol o hynny, felly. Mae'n hamcanion ni, mae'n debyg drwy wella cyfleon - . Mae'r elfen bartneriaeth sgiliau yn bwysig iawn iawn yn fan hyn, wrth gwrs, sef ein bod ni'n datblygu sgiliau ein gweithlu i lenwi'r swyddi fydd yn deillio o'r cynllun yma. Rhan arall ohono fo, yn ddiddorol iawn - yn sicr i mi - oedd clywed bod trafnidiaeth yn bwysig iawn yn y dwyrain i alluogi'r bobl yna sydd yn byw yn yr ardaloedd difreintiedig yna i allu cyrraedd y mannau gwaith, a doeddwn i ddim yn sylweddoli ar y pryd bod honno'n broblem yna. Mae'n broblem inni yng nghefn gwlad, wrth gwrs; mae trafnidiaeth yn allweddol i ni. Mae'n wahanol fath o broblem, felly. Mae'n cynllun trafnidiaeth ni felly yn helpu hygyrchedd y safleoedd gwaith.
English: Just a few questions from me about looking at, when you have established these projects, how you're talking with Welsh Government and Westminster Government about evaluating what's happening, and what you're deciding in terms of monitoring. How do you then ensure that people who are elected in north Wales can hold you to account about what's happening as part of that?
Welsh: Jest cwpwl o gwestiynau gen i ynglŷn ag edrych ar, pan ydych chi wedi sefydlu'r prosiectau yma, sut ydych chi'n siarad efo Llywodraeth Cymru a Llywodraeth San Steffan ynglŷn â gwerthuso yr hyn sydd yn digwydd, a'r hyn dŷch chi'n penderfynu arno o ran monitro. Sut ydych chi wedyn yn gallu sicrhau bod pobl sydd yn cael eu hethol yn y gogledd yn gallu eich dwyn chi i gyfrif am yr hyn sydd yn digwydd fel rhan o hynny?
English: There are two questions there, I think. The accountability issue is important to us. As leaders, I can assure you that this is an ongoing discussion. We are highly aware of the need to share information and to garner the support of our members in our own counties. I know that every council reports back not just to their scrutiny committees, but they also report back to the membership in general. That's an important element, and I think that's important in all areas; we do need to ensure that level of accountability to constituents. Of course, that is one of the risks of regionalisation, namely that you are distanced from your constituents and that you lose touch. I think that is a very real risk and I think, as politicians in north Wales, we are highly aware of it. The other question is slightly more technical in nature. We haven't reached that point as of yet, and perhaps I'll ask Alwen just to explain her ideas on how we measure the success of projects, and that's a hugely important element.
Welsh: Mae yna ddau gwestiwn yn fanna, dwi'n meddwl. Mae dal i gyfrif yn bwysig inni. Fel arweinwyr, gallaf eich sicrhau chi ei bod hi'n drafodaeth eithaf cyson. Rydym ni'n ymwybodol iawn o orfod rhannu gwybodaeth a chael cefnogaeth i'n aelodau cyffredin yn ein siroedd ni. Dwi'n gwybod bod pob un sir yn adrodd nôl nid yn unig i'w pwyllgorau craffu nhw, ond maen nhw yn adrodd yn ôl i'r aelodaeth gyfan hefyd, felly. Mae honno yn elfen bwysig, a dwi'n meddwl bod honno yn elfen bwysig ym mhob maes; mae angen sicrhau yr atebolrwydd yna i'r etholwyr. Wrth gwrs, dyna yw un o risgiau, os liciwch chi, rhanbartholi, wrth gwrs, onid yw, sef eich bod chi yn pellhau oddi wrth eich etholwyr ac yn colli cysylltiad, mewn difrif. Dwi'n meddwl bod hwnnw'n berygl go iawn a dwi'n meddwl, fel gwleidyddion yn y gogledd, rydym ni'n ymwybodol iawn, iawn o hynny, felly. Mae'r cwestiwn arall dipyn bach yn fwy technegol ei natur. Dydyn ni ddim wedi cyrraedd y pwynt yna eto, a hwyrach gwnaf i ofyn i Alwen jest i egluro beth ydy ei syniadau hi ynglŷn â sut ydym ni yn mesur llwyddiant y prosiectau, a dweud y gwir, ac mae honno'n elfen ofnadwy o bwysig, wrth gwrs.
English: Yes, I think there's a piece of work now for me to do with the programme team to create some kind of structure that will enable us to understand what is the baseline, what is the data that we currently have about north Wales that will enable us to evaluate in a huge area what are the measures that, over the next few years, will allow us to say, 'This would have happened anyway', or the difference that the growth deal and the ambition board has made in terms of expanding or increasing economic growth. I think also that there is evaluation in terms of evaluating the work of the team under me, the project team, and how we are accountable and how we feed back to the leaders on the work that we're leading on, and what difference does that make in terms of understanding where public funding is going in north Wales, and what value does it bring about for the people of north Wales. So, there's part of the work programme that will look at that evaluation.
Welsh: Ie, dwi'n meddwl bod yna ddarn o waith rŵan i mi ei wneud efo'r tîm rhaglen i greu rhyw fath o strwythur sy'n ein galluogi ni i ddeall beth ydy'r baseline, beth ydy'r data sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd am ogledd Cymru sy'n ein galluogi ni i bwyso a mesur mewn maes enfawr beth ydy'r mesurau, dros y blynyddoedd nesaf, sy'n mynd i'n galluogi ni i ddweud, 'Buasai hyn wedi digwydd beth bynnag', neu'r gwahaniaeth mae'r cynllun twf a'r bwrdd uchelgais wedi ei wneud i ehangu ar y twf economaidd. Dwi'n meddwl hefyd fod yna bwyso a mesur a gwerthuso gwaith y tîm oddi tano fi - y tîm project - a sut rydym ni yn atebol ac yn bwydo nôl drwodd i'r arweinwyr ar y gwaith rydym ni'n ei arwain, a pha wahaniaeth mae hwnnw yn ei wneud o ran dealltwriaeth o le mae'r arian cyhoeddus yn mynd i ogledd Cymru, a pha werth mae o'n ddod â fo i bobl gogledd Cymru. Felly, mae yna ran o'r cynllun gwaith fydd yn edrych ar y gwerthuso yna.
English: How easy will that be to do, given that - I don't know what the Welsh word is - there is going to be collaboration with the Welsh Government on some of their economic programmes? For example, we have politicians coming in talking about the budget, and they say, 'I'm accountable for this but we've mainstreamed the rest, so I can't tell you what impact that has had on that particular area.' So, have you come up with some sort of mechanism where you could say, 'Well, we are taking ownership of this success, not the Welsh Government, and we can then push that ambition forward'?
Welsh: Pa mor hawdd fydd hynny i'w wneud o feddwl bod yna, yn sicr, yn mynd i fod - dwi ddim yn gwybod beth yw'r gair yn y Gymraeg - cydweithredu neu weithio gyda Llywodraeth Cymru ar rai o'u rhaglenni economaidd nhw? Er enghraifft, dŷn ni'n cael gwleidyddion i mewn drwy'r amser gyda'r gyllideb, ac maen nhw yn dweud, 'Dwi'n atebol am hwn ond dŷn ni wedi prif-ffrydio'r gweddill, felly fedraf i ddim dweud wrthoch chi faint o effaith mae hynny wedi'i gael ar y pwnc hwnnw yn benodol.' Felly, ydych chi wedi meistroli rhyw fath o fecanwaith lle byddech chi'n gallu dweud, 'Wel, ni sydd yn berchen ar y llwyddiant hwn, nid Llywodraeth Cymru, ac ni sydd wedyn yn gallu gwthio'r uchelgais honno yn fwyfwy'?
English: If you do have ideas about such a mechanism, then we would be very interested in having that. [ Laughter.] You're perfectly correct: this is quite a complex issue. We do need to identify where we are. We need to measure that as to where we will have arrived in five years, say, and then identify within that what's responsible for that change. That's a task we'll ask Alwen to undertake. But it's an important one, of course, and - to come back to the issue of accountability - our constituents will ask for evidence of the success of this scheme and, of course, it is important. It's a very, very new way of investing in economic development and we probably need to ask that question, don't we? It has yet to prove its success. But we, as I say - . I think part of our optimism in north Wales is that we understand what needs to change locally, and understand and can understand those solutions that we are offering and that's what - . All of these plans that have been developed - these projects - have developed hand in hand with the private sector and with the education sector, which, as you'll see from the projects, is a very important part of this. So, we believe that, if we can create these solutions locally, then there is a better chance of success than having a solution from somewhere else.
Welsh: Os oes gennych syniadau am fecanwaith o'r fath, mi fyddem ni yn falch iawn o'u cael. [ Chwerthin.] Rydych chi'n berffaith iawn, wrth gwrs: mae hwn yn fater eithaf dyrys, felly. Mae'n rhaid inni adnabod lle rydym ni. Mae'n rhaid inni fesur hwnnw o ran lle rydym ni wedi ei gyrraedd ymhen pum mlynedd, dywedwn ni, ac wedyn adnabod oddi fewn i hynny beth sydd yn gyfrifol am y newid yna. Mae honno'n dasg byddwn ni'n gofyn i Alwen i fynd i ymroi - . Ond mae hynny'n bwysig, wrth gwrs, ac mi fydd - nôl at y cwestiwn atebolrwydd - ein hetholwyr ni yn gofyn am dystiolaeth o lwyddiant y cynllun yma, felly, ac, wrth gwrs, mae o'n bwysig. Mae hi'n ffordd newydd iawn, iawn o fuddsoddi mewn datblygiad economaidd ac mae'n debyg bod yna le i ofyn y cwestiwn, onid oes? Mae o eto i brofi ei lwyddiant, felly. Ond rydym ni, fel dwi'n ddweud - . Dwi'n credu rhan o'n hoptimistiaeth ni yn y gogledd ydy ein bod ni yn deall yr hyn sydd angen ei newid yn lleol, felly yn deall ac yn gallu deall yr atebion dŷn ni'n eu cynnig a dyna sydd wedi - . Mae'r holl gynlluniau yma sydd wedi cael eu datblygu - y prosiectau yma - wedi datblygu law yn llaw gyda'r sector breifat, law yn llaw gyda'r sector addysg, sydd, fel y gwelwch chi o'r prosiectau, yn rhan fawr o hwn. Felly, dŷn ni'n credu, os ydyn ni yn gallu llunio'r atebion yn lleol, mae yna well cyfle i gael llwyddiant nac ateb o rywle pell arall.