English: Well, the Welsh Government bought it out, didn't they? It is a matter of concern that we had a system that stopped councils building houses and where council houses were going to be sold and you only got 50 per cent of the value of that house. And despite Janet Finch-Saunders's assertion that for every one house you could build three, for every two houses, you could build one at most. But, returning to empty houses, there are far too many of them, they're a potential source of housing. We need to get those houses back into use. They're not always in areas that people don't want to live in. In some of the most sought-after areas in my constituency, you can walk down roads and find three or four empty properties. But if we just try and get the empty properties back, that will not solve all the problems. There are two ways of increasing the building of new houses in Wales. One is to abandon all planning control and let the market decide where houses can be built, which effectively happened before the Town and Country Planning Act 1947. This would lead to building in areas that are currently protected, including green belt and areas of agricultural land. The other way of doing it is to build large-scale council housing, which is what happened between 1945 and 1979, and that worked. And can I just say that I think the second method is far, far superior to the first? There's a shortage of affordable rented accommodation, especially in the cities. The private sector has filled some of the gap due to the shortage of social housing. And we've come full circle from the 1950s and early 1960s, when there were lots of privately rented accommodation, and then the council housing came along, that privately rented accommodation became owner-occupied, and you go to areas like the area I'm from in Plasmarl, and Plasmarl has gone through the full circle. It used to be nearly all privately rented; now it is all privately rented again. But, in the middle bit, it was nearly all owner-occupied. It was a place for first-time buyers. The buying up of houses and renting them out is removing the opportunity for first-time buyers to enter the housing market. We need more social housing, and affordable housing to me means council housing. And I think that housing associations can be thrown in there as well, but council housing is by far the best and most affordable housing. We need to build enough affordable homes to meet Wales's projected housing needs, but the needs are not on an all-Wales basis. If you build them in bits of James Evans's constituency of Powys, you will not be much use to those people living in Cardiff. So, you need to build them where there is a housing shortage. I mean, what we need also is housing associations and councils to have a common waiting list, so people can move between the two. We need to increase skills. And we were talking about building houses, we haven't got enough skilled tradespeople for building these houses. It's all integrated. We need to improve the skills, and then we need the commitment to build houses and the funding for council houses, which can be done by using prudential borrowing - . Yes.
Welsh: Wel, fe wnaeth Llywodraeth Cymru brynu allan o'r system, oni wnaethant? Mae'n destun pryder fod gennym system a oedd yn atal cynghorau rhag adeiladu tai a lle'r oedd tai cyngor yn mynd i gael eu gwerthu a dim ond 50 y cant o werth y tŷ hwnnw y byddech yn ei gael. Ac er gwaethaf honiad Janet Finch-Saunders y gallech adeiladu tri thŷ am bob tŷ, am bob dau dŷ gallech adeiladu un ar y mwyaf. Ond i ddychwelyd at dai gwag, mae llawer gormod ohonynt, maent yn ffynhonnell bosibl o dai. Mae angen inni ddefnyddio'r tai hynny eto. Nid ydynt bob amser mewn ardaloedd nad yw pobl am fyw ynddynt. Yn rhai o'r ardaloedd mwyaf poblogaidd yn fy etholaeth, gallwch gerdded ar hyd ffyrdd a dod o hyd i dri neu bedwar eiddo gwag. Ond nid yw sicrhau bod yr eiddo gwag yn cael ei ddefnyddio eto yn datrys yr holl broblemau. Mae dwy ffordd o gynyddu'r gwaith o adeiladu tai newydd yng Nghymru. Un ohonynt yw rhoi'r gorau i'r holl reolaeth gynllunio a gadael i'r farchnad benderfynu lle y gellir adeiladu tai, rhywbeth a ddigwyddodd i bob pwrpas cyn Deddf Cynllunio Gwlad a Thref 1947. Byddai hyn yn arwain at adeiladu mewn ardaloedd sydd wedi'u gwarchod ar hyn o bryd, gan gynnwys lleiniau glas a thir amaethyddol. Y ffordd arall o'i wneud yw adeiladu tai cyngor ar raddfa fawr, sef yr hyn a ddigwyddodd rhwng 1945 a 1979, ac fe weithiodd hynny. Ac a gaf fi ddweud fy mod yn credu bod yr ail ddull yn llawer iawn gwell na'r cyntaf? Ceir prinder llety rhent fforddiadwy, yn enwedig yn y dinasoedd. Mae'r sector preifat wedi llenwi rhywfaint o'r bwlch yn sgil prinder tai cymdeithasol. Ac rydym wedi dod yn ôl yn grwn o'r 1950au a dechrau'r 1960au, pan oedd llawer o lety rhent preifat ar gael, a phan ddaeth y tai cyngor wedyn, daeth y llety rhent preifat hwnnw'n eiddo i berchen-feddianwyr, ac rydych yn mynd i ardaloedd fel yr ardal rwy'n dod ohoni ym Mhlas-marl, ac mae Plas-marl wedi dod yn ôl yn grwn. Arferai fod yn ardal rhent preifat bron yn llwyr; mae'r cyfan bellach yn cael ei rentu'n breifat unwaith eto. Ond yn y canol, roedd bron i gyd yn eiddo i berchen-feddianwyr. Roedd yn lle i brynwyr tro cyntaf. Mae prynu tai a'u gosod ar rent yn dileu'r cyfle i brynwyr tro cyntaf fynd i mewn i'r farchnad dai. Mae angen mwy o dai cymdeithasol, ac mae tai fforddiadwy i mi yn golygu tai cyngor. A chredaf y gellir cynnwys cymdeithasau tai yno hefyd, ond tai cyngor yw'r tai gorau a mwyaf fforddiadwy o bell ffordd. Mae angen inni adeiladu digon o dai fforddiadwy i ddiwallu'r anghenion tai a ragwelir ar gyfer Cymru, ond nid yw'r anghenion ar sail Cymru gyfan. Os ydych yn eu hadeiladu mewn rhannau o etholaeth James Evans ym Mhowys, ni fyddwch o fawr o ddefnydd i'r bobl sy'n byw yng Nghaerdydd. Felly, mae angen ichi eu hadeiladu lle y ceir prinder tai. Hynny yw, yr hyn sydd ei angen hefyd yw i gymdeithasau tai a chynghorau gael rhestr aros gyffredin, fel y gall pobl symud rhwng y ddau. Mae angen inni gynyddu sgiliau. Ac roeddem yn sôn am adeiladu tai, nid oes gennym ddigon o grefftwyr medrus i adeiladu'r tai hyn. Mae'r cyfan wedi'i integreiddio. Mae angen inni wella'r sgiliau, ac mae angen ymrwymiad wedyn i adeiladu tai a chyllid ar gyfer tai cyngor, y gellir ei wneud drwy ddefnyddio benthyca darbodus - . Ie.