English: But if you don't publish the results, if you treat league tables as a dirty phrase, if you tell each school to measure what they like and hold themselves to account, how are parents possibly going to judge what schools are delivering and make decisions about where they want their children to go to school? The fact is that accountability measures in Wales - . Let's take primary schools, Kirsty Williams. We discussed this two or three years ago when I said that the measures available to compare primary schools were far less than they were in England, and you rightly pointed out to me that, actually, since 2014, Estyn had increased that accountability and had put the levels 4 and 5 for key stage 2 onto its report. Unfortunately, since at least late 2017, that, once again, appears to have stopped happening, and the accountability measures have gone backwards. So, people increasingly fall back on the Programme for International Student Assessment, where the comparisons are absolutely awful. We are well below the average on all three of the comparators, where England is above it. We are 478 on maths, 490 is the average and it's 493 for England. On reading, we're on 477, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development average is 493, and it's 500 in England - and similarly on maths. Is it not the case that, under Liberal Democrat leadership, education in Wales has deteriorated further? It is harder and harder for anyone to call it to account because you won't publish the information to allow them to do so. Is it not a risk that things will deteriorate even further, because Kirsty Williams is letting schools mark their own homework?
Welsh: Ond os na fyddwch chi'n cyhoeddi'r canlyniadau, os byddwch chi'n trin tablau cynghrair fel ymadrodd budr, os byddwch chi'n dweud wrth bob ysgol i fesur beth bynnag y mae'n dymuno a dwyn eu hunain i gyfrif, sut ar y ddaear y mae rhieni yn mynd i farnu'r hyn y mae ysgolion yn ei gyflawni a gwneud penderfyniadau ynghylch ble maen nhw eisiau i'w plant fynd i'r ysgol? Y ffaith amdani yw bod mesurau atebolrwydd yng Nghymru - . Gadewch i ni ystyried ysgolion cynradd, Kirsty Williams. Trafodwyd hyn gennym ddwy neu dair blynedd yn ôl pan ddywedais fod y mesurau a oedd ar gael i gymharu ysgolion cynradd yn llawer yn llai nag yr oedden nhw yn Lloegr, ac fe wnaethoch dynnu fy sylw, a hynny'n briodol, at y ffaith, mewn gwirionedd, ers 2014, bod Estyn wedi cynyddu'r atebolrwydd hwnnw ac wedi rhoi lefelau 4 a 5 ar gyfer cyfnod allweddol 2 yn ei adroddiad. Yn anffodus, ers diwedd 2017 o leiaf, mae'n ymddangos bod hynny, unwaith eto, wedi peidio â digwydd, ac mae'r mesurau atebolrwydd wedi mynd tuag at yn ôl. Felly, mae pobl yn dibynnu fwyfwy ôl ar y Rhaglen Ryngwladol Asesu Myfyrwyr, lle mae'r cymariaethau'n hollol erchyll. Rydym ni ymhell islaw'r cyfartaledd o ran bob un o'r tri chymharydd, tra bod Lloegr yn uwch na'r cyfartaledd. Rydym ni'n 478 o ran mathemateg, 490 yw'r cyfartaledd ac mae'n 493 ar gyfer Lloegr. O ran darllen, rydym ni ar 477, 493 yw cyfartaledd y Sefydliad ar gyfer Cydweithrediad a Datblygiad Economaidd, ac mae'n 500 yn Lloegr - ac yn debyg o ran mathemateg. Onid yw'n wir, o dan arweinyddiaeth y Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol, bod addysg yng Nghymru wedi dirywio ymhellach? Mae'n fwy a mwy anodd i unrhyw un ei ddwyn i gyfrif gan na wnewch chi gyhoeddi'r wybodaeth i ganiatáu iddyn nhw wneud hynny. Onid yw'n risg y bydd pethau'n dirywio ymhellach fyth, gan fod Kirsty Williams yn caniatáu i ysgolion farcio eu gwaith cartref eu hunain?