English: Reading through the report of the committee - I'm very grateful to the Chair of the committee for his introduction this afternoon - and reading through the Government response, my overwhelming feeling was that there wasn't a great deal of difference between the two, that there's a great deal of shared ground, particularly in terms of ambition and vision, between both the Government and the committee. That, of course, is something to be welcomed. However, in reading through both, I also felt that both were somewhat unsatisfactory in different ways. Let me explain why I think that. If I look back over the period of devolved Government in Wales, there are things that we've done very, very well, and there are other things where we've done less well, and that's the nature of governance, of course. I think energy is one of those policy areas where we haven't succeeded over the last two decades or so, and I believe it's something where we can learn lessons. I'm glad that the First Minister has taken his seat for this debate, because I'm going to congratulate him on a decision that he made - he looks even more worried now. [ Laughter. ] He is beginning to wish he'd gone for a cup of coffee. But when I was an energy Minister some years ago, I was one of three energy Ministers in the Cabinet. There was myself, there was the economy Minister and the First Minister at the time. All had responsibility for energy, and it would surprise nobody in this Chamber or elsewhere that the three of us together achieved nothing, that we didn't deliver, because we had a fragmented approach, and we had Ministers competing, if you like, with each other, rather than working together. So, I think bringing together the responsibility under a single Minister and changing the machinery of Government to reflect that is an important decision to make, and it's an important way of driving forward policy. I welcome the commitment that the Minister herself has made to this. I accept the points that she's made in an earlier debate, and have been made elsewhere, about the unsatisfactory nature of the settlement, as well. I won't seek to rehearse those arguments again this afternoon. But it appears to me, given where we are and given the nature of today's settlement, that there are two roles that, broadly, the Welsh Government can play in energy policy. The first is a more passive role in terms of creating a consenting and planning regime that will enable others to take decisions that are mainly commercially driven.
Welsh: Wrth ddarllen drwy adroddiad y pwyllgor - rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i Gadeirydd y pwyllgor am ei gyflwyniad y prynhawn yma - a darllen drwy ymateb y Llywodraeth, fy nheimlad llethol oedd nad oedd llawer iawn o wahaniaeth rhwng y ddau, fod llawer iawn o bethau'n gyffredin, yn enwedig o ran uchelgais a gweledigaeth, rhwng y Llywodraeth a'r pwyllgor. Mae hynny i'w groesawu wrth gwrs. Fodd bynnag, wrth ddarllen drwy'r ddau, teimlwn hefyd fod y ddau braidd yn anfoddhaol mewn ffyrdd gwahanol. Gadewch imi egluro pam rwy'n meddwl hynny. Os wyf edrychaf yn ôl dros gyfnod Llywodraeth ddatganoledig yng Nghymru, mae yna bethau yr ydym wedi eu gwneud yn dda iawn ac mae yna bethau eraill yr ydym wedi eu gwneud yn llai da, a dyna natur llywodraethu, wrth gwrs. Rwy'n credu bod ynni yn un o'r meysydd polisi lle nad ydym wedi llwyddo dros y ddau ddegawd diwethaf, ac rwy'n credu ei fod yn rhywbeth y gallwn ddysgu gwersi ohono. Rwy'n falch fod y Prif Weinidog wedi dod i'w sedd ar gyfer y ddadl hon, oherwydd rwyf am ei longyfarch ar benderfyniad a wnaeth - mae'n edrych yn fwy pryderus byth yn awr. [ Chwerthin. ] Mae'n dechrau difaru nad aeth am baned o goffi. Ond pan oeddwn yn Weinidog ynni rai blynyddoedd yn ôl, roeddwn yn un o dri Gweinidog ynni yn y Cabinet. Ar wahân i fi fy hun, roedd gennym Weinidog yr economi a'r Prif Weinidog ar y pryd. Roedd pob un ohonom yn gyfrifol am ynni, ac ni fyddai'n synnu neb yn y Siambr na thu hwnt na chyflawnodd y tri ohonom unrhyw beth gyda'n gilydd, na wnaethom gyflawni, oherwydd roedd gennym ddull tameidiog o weithredu, ac roedd gennym Weinidogion yn cystadlu â'i gilydd, os mynnwch, yn hytrach na chydweithio. Felly, rwy'n credu bod rhoi'r cyfrifoldeb i un Gweinidog ynghyd â newid systemau'r Llywodraeth i adlewyrchu hynny yn benderfyniad pwysig, ac mae'n ffordd bwysig o hyrwyddo polisi. Rwy'n croesawu'r ymrwymiad y mae'r Gweinidog ei hun wedi'i wneud mewn perthynas â hyn. Rwyf hefyd yn derbyn y pwyntiau a wnaeth mewn dadl gynharach, ac sydd wedi'u gwneud mewn mannau eraill, am natur anfoddhaol y setliad. Nid wyf am geisio ailadrodd y dadleuon hynny eto y prynhawn yma. Ond mae'n ymddangos i mi, o ystyried ein sefyllfa a natur y setliad heddiw, fod yna ddwy rôl y gall Llywodraeth Cymru eu chwarae yn fras mewn polisi ynni. Mae'r gyntaf yn rôl fwy goddefol o ran creu trefn gydsynio a chynllunio a fydd yn galluogi eraill i wneud penderfyniadau a gaiff eu hysgogi'n fasnachol yn bennaf.