English: Well, that's where I was going to take my argument, because the Cabinet Secretary is clearly in possession of information, and the evidence he's given to the economy and transportation committee is that costs would have to rise significantly before the question mark was put in on this project. Well, we've had a figure of under £1 billion from the First Minister some two years ago. We've got to £1.4 billion today - perhaps £1.5 billion - without VAT. That's a £600 million increase. I'm just wondering, myself, what the Cabinet Secretary believes is a significant rise in costs before the Welsh Government themselves question the viability of the project and what solutions might well be coming forward. [ Interruption. ] Well, I haven't got access to the - . I hear the chuntering from the Plaid Cymru benches, but I have to say - [ Interruption. ] I have to say I haven't got access to the detailed information. We have put our cards on the table and said that we believe a solution needs to be put in place. [ Interruption.] We believe that a solution needs to be put in place. I was travelling this piece of road this morning - at 5 o'clock this morning - heading up to Raglan livestock market. At 6:30 this morning, that road was chock-a-block, three lanes, all the way from the Severn bridge back to the Brynglas tunnels. You cannot turn your back on that situation, that the road has a serious problem and a serious stranglehold on the Welsh economy. What you can't turn away from either is the escalating costs that seem to be associated with the Government's preferred project. And so I do go back to the original proposition that we're debating here today, which is the substantive motion that this house should have the ability to vote on the project going forward and becoming a capital project of the Welsh Government and the Welsh taxpayer putting resources in. And I would hope that like-minded Members on the Government benches would consider that a reasonable proposition and consider voting for this motion today.
Welsh: Wel, dyna lle roeddwn yn mynd i fynd â fy nadl, oherwydd mae'n amlwg fod gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wybodaeth, a'r dystiolaeth y mae wedi'i roi i bwyllgor yr economi a thrafnidiaeth yw y byddai'n rhaid i gostau godi'n sylweddol cyn y ceir marc cwestiwn uwchben y prosiect hwn. Wel, cawsom ffigur o dan £1 biliwn gan y Prif Weinidog oddeutu dwy flynedd yn ôl. Rydym wedi cyrraedd £1.4 biliwn heddiw - efallai £1.5 biliwn - heb TAW. Dyna gynnydd o £600 miliwn. Rwy'n meddwl tybed beth y mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn ei gredu sy'n gynnydd sylweddol yn y costau cyn i Lywodraeth Cymru eu hunain gwestiynu hyfywedd y prosiect a pha atebion a allai fod yn cael eu rhoi. [ Torri ar draws. ] Wel, nid oes gennyf y - . Clywaf y mwmian o feinciau Plaid Cymru, ond rhaid i mi ddweud - [ Torri ar draws. ] Rhaid i mi ddweud nad yw'r wybodaeth fanwl gennyf. Rydym wedi rhoi ein cardiau ar y bwrdd ac wedi dweud ein bod yn credu bod angen dod o hyd i ateb. [ Torri ar draws.] Credwn fod angen dod o hyd i ateb. Roeddwn yn teithio ar hyd y darn hwn o ffordd y bore yma - am 5 o'r gloch y bore yma - yn anelu at farchnad da byw Rhaglan. Am 6:30 y bore yma, roedd y ffordd honno'n llawn dop, tair lôn, yr holl ffordd o bont Hafren i dwneli Bryn-glas. Ni allwch droi eich cefn ar y sefyllfa honno, fod problem ddifrifol gyda'r ffordd a'i bod yn mygu economi Cymru yn ddifrifol. Yr hyn na allwch ei osgoi chwaith yw'r costau cynyddol sydd i'w gweld yn gysylltiedig â phrosiect dewisol y Llywodraeth. Ac felly rwy'n dychwelyd at y cynnig gwreiddiol rydym yn ei drafod yma heddiw, sef y cynnig o sylwedd y dylai'r tŷ hwn gael y gallu i bleidleisio ar y prosiect wrth symud ymlaen a dod yn brosiect cyfalaf Llywodraeth Cymru a'r trethdalwr yng Nghymru yn rhoi adnoddau tuag ato. A buaswn yn gobeithio y byddai Aelodau sy'n credu'r un fath ar feinciau'r Llywodraeth yn ystyried hwnnw'n gynnig rhesymol ac yn ystyried pleidleisio dros y cynnig hwn heddiw.