English: It's a good job I know the Minister well enough not to be offended by some of the jibes he made in his speech just then. I'll come to the things he said in a second, but I just wanted to make a comment about Delyth Jewell's contribution, because I think we were born in the same hospital, we went to school in the same town and I currently live in the place where she grew up, and also, you may have noticed, we also contested the same seat at the Senedd election. So, you can understand why we've also got the same views when it comes to tourism in our community here about South Wales East - about South Wales East, but Caerphilly as well - and she's talked about 80 per cent of normal revenue being lost during the pandemic. The concern I've got, I think, was reflecting what I said, that there is a danger that that cost is being passed on to the consumer in the immediate period ahead and that might have a detrimental effect when we talk about year-round delivery. So, there is a concern there. And I'm not blaming anyone, by the way; it's a natural market mechanism that you would expect that to happen, and I think as a social democrat, I would expect the Government to intervene when that market mechanism is not working, and I think that is the challenge. I don't think the Minister quite got to that in his speech, but I think that is the challenge, that we could see a detrimental consequence in the autumn of 2021 and 2022, and I think that was recognised by Delyth Jewell. And then if I come to the statements made by the three Conservatives, Paul Davies, Sam Rowlands and Tom Giffard, it was really good to hear, and I'd say to Sam and Tom as well what excellent contributions you are making as new Members, and I know from experience how difficult it is, particularly the first time, to get up and speak. It gets easier with time, but I can see that you've taken to it very, very well. One of the things that I don't think was answered by the Conservatives, though, was why the opposition to a tourism levy is so strong. So, Paul Davies said in his contribution that he thinks it could have a devastating impact, but I don't think he explained why, because there are models around the world where a tourism levy actually works, and I think the Government and I'd say the Minister's response was fairly light - I think he'd agree himself - was fairly light in his response, and that was perhaps because you said that a consultation is ongoing and it will be flexible in its introduction. So, I think that's still being formulated, and I suspect therefore there is still a bridge to be built between outright opposition and the introduction, and I'd like to see how that bridge is going to be built and resolved. And just to come to Sam Rowlands's comments. Three things, he said: a road map for the summer - I completely understand that; review social distance measures, and supporting recruitment. Perhaps one day we'll hear a bit more, soon, about supporting recruitment, but particularly about reviewing social distancing measures, I highlighted in my speech the possible counter-consequences that we haven't fully understood yet, that if you remove social distancing measures completely and people don't feel safe in those venues, they're just as likely to stay away. So, I think we must find a balance there between the clinical advice and the safety and that economic situation and living with COVID. And I'll be honest with you, I don't think the UK Government's got it right, and the Welsh Government will find out next week whether they are getting it right or not, and I think that announcement next Wednesday is important. And Jenny Rathbone, your contribution was actually very moving. When you talk about families - a quarter of families, I think you said - can't afford venue-destination holidays, and that's because the venues are so expensive, but also because of public transport, and also because poverty locks people in their communities. I think it's also a cultural and social problem as well, that you don't look beyond your communities. I've seen it myself, that you don't look beyond your communities and you spend almost all your time in your community. I think it would be a great psychological release to be able to recognise those things that are relatively easy to get to and be able to visit, but also the idea of supporting diversification and the delivery of low-cost venues for those people who would then be able to afford it - that would be a very good idea. Bluestone would be out of the price range of the people you're talking about, but there are opportunities to develop lower cost versions that haven't been developed yet. I think that's a really important point. One of the things I've noticed is that you've only got to go on Facebook and you can see people in my community using the community anew, and the free stuff that's around: Penallta country park, visiting Llancaiach Fawr - it's amazing, Llancaiach Fawr, by the way, it's well worth a visit - and there are opportunities there to do that. So, I think there are clear divisions in the Chamber, particularly on the tourism tax and on the relieving of social distancing measures. I think the Government still has more to say, I think, about 2021, autumn 2021 and 2022. I still think that there's more to be said, and I think the Government is still working it out is the answer to some of the thin responses the Minister gave, and particularly with that tourism levy. But nonetheless, let's use this as a positive opportunity now to try and find some common ground, and hopefully find the answers to these questions we've raised in this debate.
Welsh: Mae'n dda fy mod yn adnabod y Gweinidog yn ddigon da i beidio â chael fy nhramgwyddo gan beth o'r pryfocio a wnaeth yn ei araith. Dof at y pethau a ddywedodd mewn eiliad, ond roeddwn am wneud sylw am gyfraniad Delyth Jewell, oherwydd rwy'n credu ein bod wedi cael ein geni yn yr un ysbyty, wedi mynd i'r ysgol yn yr un dref ac rwy'n byw yn awr yn y man lle cafodd hi ei magu, a hefyd, efallai eich bod wedi sylwi, fe wnaethom ymladd am yr un sedd yn etholiad y Senedd. Felly, gallwch ddeall pam fod gennym yr un farn ar dwristiaeth yn ein cymuned yma mewn perthynas â Dwyrain De Cymru - Dwyrain De Cymru, ond Caerffili hefyd - ac fe siaradodd am golli 80 y cant o refeniw arferol yn ystod y pandemig. Y pryder sydd gennyf, rwy'n meddwl, gan adlewyrchu'r hyn a ddywedais, yw bod perygl fod y gost honno'n cael ei throsglwyddo i'r defnyddiwr yn y cyfnod uniongyrchol i ddod ac y gallai hynny gael effaith andwyol pan soniwn am ddarpariaeth trwy gydol y flwyddyn. Felly, mae hwnnw'n bryder. Ac nid wyf yn beio neb, gyda llaw; mae'n fecanwaith marchnad naturiol y byddech yn disgwyl iddo ddigwydd, ac fel democrat cymdeithasol, rwy'n credu y byddwn yn disgwyl i'r Llywodraeth ymyrryd pan nad yw'r mecanwaith marchnad hwnnw'n gweithio, a chredaf mai dyna'r her. Nid wyf yn credu bod y Gweinidog wedi cyrraedd hynny'n llwyr yn ei araith, ond credaf mai dyna'r her, y gallem weld canlyniad niweidiol yn hydref 2021 a 2022, a chredaf fod Delyth Jewell wedi cydnabod hynny. Wedyn, os dof at y datganiadau a wnaed gan y tri Cheidwadwr, Paul Davies, Sam Rowlands a Tom Giffard, roedd yn dda iawn clywed, a byddwn yn dweud wrth Sam a Tom hefyd pa mor rhagorol yw'r cyfraniadau rydych yn eu gwneud fel Aelodau newydd, a gwn o brofiad pa mor anodd yw hi, yn enwedig y tro cyntaf, i godi a siarad. Mae'n dod yn haws gydag amser, ond gallaf weld eich bod wedi cael hwyl arni. Un o'r pethau nad wyf yn credu y cafodd ei ateb gan y Ceidwadwyr, serch hynny, oedd pam y mae'r gwrthwynebiad i ardoll dwristiaeth mor gryf. Felly, dywedodd Paul Davies yn ei gyfraniad ei fod yn credu y gallai gael effaith ddinistriol, ond nid wyf yn credu iddo egluro pam, oherwydd ceir modelau ym mhob rhan o'r byd lle mae ardoll dwristiaeth yn gweithio, a chredaf fod y Llywodraeth a byddwn yn dweud bod ymateb y Gweinidog yn weddol ysgafn - rwy'n credu y byddai'n cytuno ei hun - yn eithaf ysgafn yn ei ymateb, ac efallai mai'r rheswm am hynny oedd i chi ddweud bod ymgynghoriad yn mynd rhagddo ac fe gaiff ei gyflwyno mewn modd hyblyg. Felly, rwy'n credu bod hwnnw'n dal i gael ei lunio, ac rwy'n tybio felly fod pont i'w hadeiladu o hyd rhwng gwrthwynebiad llwyr a'i gyflwyno, a hoffwn weld sut yr adeiladir y bont honno a datrys yr anghytundeb. Ac i ddod at sylwadau Sam Rowlands. Dywedodd dri pheth: cynllun ar gyfer yr haf - rwy'n deall hynny'n iawn; adolygu mesurau cadw pellter cymdeithasol, a chefnogi recriwtio. Efallai un diwrnod y clywn ychydig mwy, yn fuan, am gefnogi recriwtio, ond yn enwedig am adolygu mesurau cadw pellter cymdeithasol, fe dynnais sylw yn fy araith at y gwrth-ganlyniadau posibl nad ydym wedi'u deall yn iawn eto, os cewch wared yn llwyr ar fesurau cadw pellter cymdeithasol yn gyfan gwbl heb fod pobl yn teimlo'n ddiogel yn y lleoliadau hynny, maent yr un mor debygol o gadw oddi yno. Felly, rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i ni ddod o hyd i gydbwysedd yno rhwng y cyngor clinigol a diogelwch a'r sefyllfa economaidd a byw gyda COVID. Ac fe fyddaf yn onest gyda chi, nid wyf yn credu bod Llywodraeth y DU wedi gwneud pethau'n iawn, a bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn darganfod yr wythnos nesaf a ydynt yn gwneud pethau'n iawn ai peidio, a chredaf fod y cyhoeddiad ddydd Mercher nesaf yn bwysig. A Jenny Rathbone, roedd eich cyfraniad yn deimladwy iawn mewn gwirionedd. Pan soniwch am deuluoedd - chwarter y teuluoedd, rwy'n credu ichi ddweud - nid yw eu chwarter yn gallu fforddio gwyliau mewn cyrchfannau, a hynny oherwydd bod y lleoliadau mor ddrud, ond hefyd oherwydd trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, a hefyd am fod tlodi'n caethiwo pobl yn eu cymunedau. Rwy'n credu ei bod hefyd yn broblem ddiwylliannol a chymdeithasol, nad ydych yn edrych y tu hwnt i'ch cymunedau. Rwyf wedi'i weld fy hun, nad ydych yn edrych y tu hwnt i'ch cymunedau a'ch bod yn treulio eich holl amser bron yn eich cymuned. Credaf y byddai'n rhyddhad seicolegol gwych i allu nodi'r pethau hynny sy'n gymharol hawdd i'w cyrraedd a gallu ymweld â hwy, ond hefyd y syniad o gefnogi amrywio a darparu lleoliadau cost isel i bobl a fyddai'n gallu eu fforddio felly - byddai hwnnw'n syniad da iawn. Byddai Bluestone yn rhy ddrud i'r bobl rydych chi'n sôn amdanynt, ond mae cyfleoedd i ddatblygu fersiynau cost is nad ydynt wedi'u datblygu eto. Rwy'n credu bod hwnnw'n bwynt pwysig iawn. Un o'r pethau rwyf wedi sylwi arnynt yw mai dim ond mynd ar Facebook sydd angen ichi ei wneud a gallwch weld pobl yn fy nghymuned yn defnyddio'r gymuned o'r newydd, a'r pethau sydd i'w cael am ddim o gwmpas y lle: parc gwledig Penallta, ymweld â Llancaiach Fawr - mae'n anhygoel, Llancaiach Fawr, gyda llaw, mae'n werth ymweld â'r lle - ac mae cyfleoedd yno i wneud hynny. Felly, credaf fod rhaniadau clir yn y Siambr, yn enwedig ar y dreth dwristiaeth ac ar lacio mesurau cadw pellter cymdeithasol. Credaf fod gan y Llywodraeth fwy i'w ddweud o hyd, mi gredaf, am 2021, hydref 2021 a 2022. Rwy'n dal i gredu bod mwy i'w ddweud, a chredaf fod y Llywodraeth yn dal i weithio ar yr ateb i rai o'r ymatebion tenau a roddodd y Gweinidog, ac yn enwedig gyda'r ardoll dwristiaeth. Ond serch hynny, gadewch inni ddefnyddio hyn fel cyfle cadarnhaol yn awr i geisio dod o hyd i dir cyffredin, a dod o hyd i'r atebion i'r cwestiynau rydym wedi'u codi yn y ddadl hon, gobeithio.