English: I entirely agree with Helen Mary Jones: of course, this is help that children are entitled to receive. The old days when children were singled out if they were receiving a free school meal are, surely, long over here in Wales, although the long tail of stigma can take a long time to disappear. But we have a whole new set of ways in which schools make sure that children who are entitled to free school meals aren't discriminated against or picked out from other children, and I know that huge efforts are made. Some local authorities in Wales do succeed more than others in making sure that entitlement to free school meals is automatic - that it is linked to other benefits that the local authority already knows a family to be in receipt of. The more that we can make free school meals not a matter of families having to apply for it, but it being done through the other systems that local authorities have available to them, the greater the take-up will be. The ambition of the Welsh Government is exactly as Helen Mary Jones set it out: that every child who is entitled to this benefit should be in a position to take it. We have been working with local authorities - as I say, some of them are already more advanced down this path than others - to find ways in which not just free school meals but a whole range of other help to which families are entitled comes to them as a result of things that the local authority already know about them because of information that they've supplied, rather than requiring people to make repeated applications for help that ought to be straightforwardly available to them.
Welsh: Rwyf i'n cytuno'n llwyr â Helen Mary Jones: wrth gwrs, mae hwn yn gymorth y mae gan blant hawl i'w gael. Does bosib nad yw'r hen ddyddiau pryd y tynnwyd sylw at blant pe bydden nhw'n cael pryd ysgol am ddim wedi hen fynd heibio yma yng Nghymru, er y gall cynffon hir stigma gymryd amser hir i ddiflannu. Ond mae gennym ni gyfres gyfan o ffyrdd newydd y mae ysgolion yn eu defnyddio i sicrhau na wahaniaethir rhwng plant sydd â hawl i gael prydau ysgol am ddim â phlant eraill, ac na thynnir sylw atyn nhw, a gwn fod ymdrechion enfawr yn cael eu gwneud. Mae rhai awdurdodau lleol yng Nghymru yn llwyddo yn fwy nag eraill i sicrhau bod yr hawl i gael prydau ysgol am ddim yn awtomatig - ei fod yn gysylltiedig â budd-daliadau eraill y mae'r awdurdod lleol yn gwybod eisoes y mae'r teulu yn eu cael. Po fwyaf y gallwn ni wneud prydau ysgol am ddim yn fater, nid o deuluoedd yn gorfod gwneud cais amdano, ond ei fod yn digwydd trwy'r systemau eraill sydd gan awdurdodau lleol ar gael iddyn nhw, y mwyaf o bobl a fydd yn manteisio arnyn nhw. Mae uchelgais Llywodraeth Cymru yn union fel y nododd Helen Mary Jones: y dylai pob plentyn sydd â hawl i gael y budd-dal hwn fod mewn sefyllfa i fanteisio arno. Rydym ni wedi bod yn gweithio gydag awdurdodau lleol - fel y dywedais i, mae rhai ohonyn nhw eisoes yn bellach ar hyd y llwybr hwn nag eraill - i ddod o hyd i ffyrdd, yn ogystal â phrydau ysgol am ddim, o sicrhau bod ystod gyfan o gymorth arall y mae gan deuluoedd hawl iddo yn eu cyrraedd o ganlyniad i bethau y mae'r awdurdod lleol eisoes yn ei wybod amdanyn nhw oherwydd gwybodaeth y maen nhw wedi ei darparu, yn hytrach na'i gwneud yn ofynnol i bobl wneud ceisiadau mynych am gymorth a ddylai fod ar gael yn ddidrafferth iddyn nhw.