English: Llywydd, it's a brave Member of the Conservative Party who decides to raise the interests of farmers on the floor of the Senedd this afternoon, when their Government has just signed a trade deal with Australia that will damage farmers in Wales without any doubt at all. I saw the document that the UK Government had published on the Australia trade deal. It dealt with the fate of farmers in a single sentence. It deals with the export of swimwear to Australia at equal length. I think that just tells you something about where the priorities of - [ Interruption ]. And our programme for government will have to deal with the impact of your Government's choices on the fate of farmers here in Wales. If I've learnt anything about TB, Dirprwy Lywydd, it's that there is no point in just trying to trade statistics about it, because for every statistic that you will quote, there will be a counter-statistic that can be - [ Interruption.] And the science behind it is disputed as well, as she knows. This is for sure: the reason why low area statuses have moved up is because of the importation of TB by farmers buying infected cattle and bringing them into the area. That is the single greatest reason why low-incidence areas have moved up that very sad hierarchy. The culling of badgers will not happen in Wales - just be clear about that. That was in the Labour Party manifesto; it was endorsed by the electorate. It will not happen. And if we want a serious debate, it is better for farmers to recognise that and to talk with us about the things that we can do, rather than complaining about things that are not going to happen. Inoculation is a far better long-term solution to it. That is why we have employed Professor Glyn Hewinson, one of the world's leading figures in this field, here in Wales - brought to Wales in order to assist us with this agenda - and the ideas that he and other colleagues in Aberystwyth are working on to provide a vaccine against the awful disease that is TB in cattle, an awful disease that is distressing - deeply distressing - for those farmers who have to deal with it. But the way of dealing with it is through the new methods that we are working on here in Wales, and not by harking after things that are simply not going to be part of our response here.
Welsh: Llywydd, Aelod dewr o'r Blaid Geidwadol sy'n penderfynu codi buddiannau ffermwyr ar lawr y Senedd y prynhawn yma, pan fo eu Llywodraeth nhw newydd lofnodi cytundeb masnach gydag Awstralia a fydd yn niweidio ffermwyr yng Nghymru heb unrhyw amheuaeth o gwbl. Gwelais i'r ddogfen yr oedd Llywodraeth y DU wedi'i chyhoeddi ar gytundeb masnach Awstralia. Gwnaeth ymdrin â ffawd ffermwyr mewn un frawddeg. Mae'n ymdrin ag allforio dillad nofio i Awstralia i'r un graddau. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n dweud rhywbeth wrthych chi ynghylch ble mae blaenoriaethau - [ Torri ar draws ]. A bydd yn rhaid i'n rhaglen lywodraethu ni ymdrin ag effaith dewisiadau eich Llywodraeth chi ar dynged ffermwyr yma yng Nghymru. Os wyf i wedi dysgu unrhyw beth am TB, Dirprwy Lywydd, nid oes diben ceisio cyfnewid ystadegau amdano yn unig, oherwydd am bob ystadegyn y byddwch chi'n ei ddyfynnu, bydd gwrth-ystadegyn a all fod - [ Torri ar draws.] Ac mae'r wyddoniaeth y tu ôl iddo yn destun dadl hefyd, fel y mae hi'n gwybod. Mae hyn yn sicr: y rheswm pam mae statws ardal isel wedi symud i fyny yw oherwydd mewnforio TB gan ffermwyr sy'n prynu gwartheg wedi'u heintio a dod â nhw mewn i'r ardal. Dyna'r rheswm mwyaf pam mae ardaloedd lle mae nifer isel o achosion wedi symud i fyny'r hierarchaeth drist iawn honno. Ni fydd difa moch daear yn digwydd yng Nghymru - i fod yn glir ynglŷn â hynny. Roedd hynny ym maniffesto'r Blaid Lafur; a chafodd ei gymeradwyo gan yr etholwyr. Ni fydd yn digwydd. Ac os ydych chi eisiau cael dadl ddifrifol, mae'n well i ffermwyr gydnabod hynny a siarad â ni ynghylch y pethau y gallwn ni eu gwneud, yn hytrach na chwyno am bethau nad ydyn nhw'n mynd i ddigwydd. Mae brechu yn ateb hirdymor llawer gwell iddo. Dyna pam yr ydym ni wedi cyflogi'r Athro Glyn Hewinson, un o brif ffigurau'r byd yn y maes hwn, yma yng Nghymru - a daethpwyd ag ef i Gymru er mwyn ein cynorthwyo ni gyda'r agenda hon - a'r syniadau y mae ef a chyd-Aelodau eraill yn Aberystwyth yn gweithio arnyn nhw i ddarparu brechlyn yn erbyn y clefyd ofnadwy hwnnw sef TB mewn gwartheg, clefyd ofnadwy sy'n peri gofid - gofid mawr - i'r ffermwyr hynny sy'n gorfod ymdrin ag ef. Ond y ffordd o ymdrin ag ef yw drwy'r dulliau newydd yr ydym yn gweithio arnyn nhw yma yng Nghymru, ac nid drwy fynd yn ar ôl at bethau nad ydyn nhw'n mynd i fod yn rhan o'n hymateb yma.