English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I was going to say halfway through the debate that I felt it was Parliament being at its best because there was a range of views on this issue, but we were coalescing and uniting, actually, around the core principle that, ultimately, Parliament must decide. I was hoping that the Cabinet Secretary, in his remarks at the end, would give us some clarity on that central issue, and yet I'm completely unclear. He can intervene on me, if he would like to, in reverse order to the intervention I made on him. He talked about having stand-alone votes on stand-alone projects, and then he went on to talk about some of the downsides of that if the precedent was set. I'm not quite clear, still, whether the precedent is going to be set. Is there a commitment to have a specific vote? It's not enough to have a vote on the supplementary budget. The supplementary budget could have a number of things in it. Then I know what would happen, because it's happened to me several times, Lee Waters. I vote for one reason, but then the list of other things that are in the budget I am accused of being against, and they're usually things that no-one could possibly be against. That's why we need to have a specific vote. In relation to the point that Lee Waters raised, if there are lexicological problems with the motion, then I have the responsibility for that. I think the spirit of the motion is clear, though. What we were trying to do with the motion was to say that the Government could not go ahead with expenditure on the project before there was a vote on the principle following the public inquiry. I think that was clear to me. If it wasn't clear to other Members then I apologise for that, but I'm clarifying the intention. You know, we don't live in a perfect world, and we certainly don't live in a perfect Parliament. So, if you want to actually vote in favour of the principle of a vote on the principle then this will be the only vote that you're going to get, okay. And what I would say - in all honesty, and delving deep into all the resources of charity in my soul, I would say to the Member opposite, I would say to the Member opposite: see beyond your antipathy, either to me or to my party, because there's a bigger issue here, which is beyond party. In fact, as Simon Thomas says, it's beyond generations, isn't it? It's intergenerational equity that we talking about here. And so, I would appeal to him - I know that he is absolutely sincere about the substantive issue, but in terms of ensuring that the Government gives us all a vote then this is our opportunity. Take it. Take it now. Take it tonight. We won't get another chance; this is it. The consensus that I heard in the contributions in the Chamber, from Andrew R.T. Davies, from other Members, including Lee Waters, I believe, is the figure of £2 billion. I think we all accept that there is a certain kind of inevitability about where we're going to end up. Jenny Rathbone, I think, in a very, very powerful contribution, pointed out that opportunity cost exists in all parts of Wales, doesn't it? Rhun ap Iorwerth referred to some of the relative underinvestment that there's been in some regions of Wales. But it is true: Mark Barry, in his initial assessment of the cost of the first phase of a metro - you know, £1 billion, £1.5 billion, £2 billion would make a massive transformational effect for public transport in the south-east of Wales as well. And it's that opportunity cost calculation that we have to be able to bring to bear as individual Members, across our parties, and, yes, Simon Thomas was right to say that we are - as a party, we have to re-evaluate our position in the light of the evidence that has been presented. So, we place that on the record. We would urge Members - . I realise this is inherently difficult, and I really pay tribute to those Members on the Labour benches who spoke very, very powerfully of the need for us to have a democratic vote, primarily because, of course, of the doubt that you share, we share, about whether this represents true value for money, but also the truest values - the values that we want to enshrine in the future that we're trying to create for our country. Look, I realise that we all engage from time to time - it's an occupational flaw, maybe - in knockabout. But there are some things that are more important, and if I, in any way, in any comments that I made, have clouded your judgment in that then I would apologise, because - there have been a lot of apologies in this Chamber recently, and I'm prepared to make one as well - this is more important than political theatre. This is more important than actually winning or losing in that shallow sense. This is about the future of our country, and I'm heartened by the sense of consensus in this Chamber, that on these kinds of decisions - decisions that, once made, will impact upon generations to come - then we as a Parliament, as parliamentarians, regardless of party, must insist that we get a vote. And I did invite the Cabinet Secretary - in the few seconds that I've got left, if he wants to get on his feet, if he wants to reassure us that we will get that vote, he can. But I'm afraid to say that the silence speaks for itself. If you want to see that democratic vote then use your vote tonight.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Roeddwn yn mynd i ddweud hanner ffordd drwy'r ddadl fy mod yn teimlo ei bod yn enghraifft o'r Senedd ar ei gorau oherwydd cafwyd amrywiaeth o safbwyntiau ar y mater, ond ein bod yn dod at ein gilydd ac yn uno, mewn gwirionedd, o gwmpas yr egwyddor craidd, yn y pen draw, fod yn rhaid i'r Senedd benderfynu. Roeddwn yn gobeithio y byddai Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, yn ei sylwadau ar y diwedd, yn egluro'r mater canolog hwnnw i ni, ac eto rwy'n gwbl aneglur yn ei gylch. Gall ymyrryd, os hoffai, yn groes i'r modd yr ymyrrais innau arno ef. Soniodd am gael pleidlais unigol ar brosiectau unigol, ac yna aeth ymlaen i sôn am rai o anfanteision hynny pe gosodid cynsail. Nid wyf yn hollol glir o hyd a yw'r cynsail yn mynd i gael ei osod. A oes ymrwymiad i gael pleidlais benodol? Nid yw'n ddigon i gael pleidlais ar y gyllideb atodol. Gallai cyllideb atodol fod â nifer o bethau ynddi. Rwy'n gwybod beth fyddai'n digwydd wedyn oherwydd mae wedi digwydd i mi sawl gwaith, Lee Waters. Rwy'n pleidleisio am un rheswm, ond wedyn caf fy nghyhuddo o fod yn erbyn y rhestr o bethau eraill sydd yn y gyllideb, ac fel arfer maent yn bethau na allai unrhyw un eu gwrthwynebu. Dyna pam y mae angen inni gael pleidlais benodol. O ran y pwynt a gododd Lee Waters, os oes problemau gyda geiriad y cynnig, fi sy'n gyfrifol am hynny. Credaf fod ysbryd y cynnig yn glir, fodd bynnag. Yr hyn y ceisiem ei wneud gyda'r cynnig oedd dweud na allai'r Llywodraeth fwrw rhagddi i wario ar y prosiect cyn cael pleidlais ar egwyddor yn dilyn yr ymchwiliad cyhoeddus. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n amlwg i mi. Os nad oedd yn glir i'r Aelodau eraill, yna rwy'n ymddiheuro am hynny, ond rwy'n egluro'r bwriad. Wyddoch chi, nid ydym yn byw mewn byd perffaith, ac yn sicr nid ydym yn byw mewn Senedd berffaith. Felly, os ydych am bleidleisio o blaid yr egwyddor o bleidlais ar yr egwyddor yna hon fydd yr unig bleidlais rydych yn mynd i'w chael, iawn. A'r hyn yr hoffwn ei ddweud - yn onest, ac o ddyfnder fy nghalon, hoffwn ddweud wrth yr Aelod gyferbyn, hoffwn ddweud wrth yr Aelod gyferbyn: edrychwch y tu hwnt i'ch gelyniaeth, naill ai ataf fi neu at fy mhlaid, oherwydd mae mater mwy yma, y tu hwnt i blaid. Yn wir, fel y dywed Simon Thomas, mae tu hwnt i genedlaethau, onid yw? Rydym yn siarad yma am degwch rhwng cenedlaethau. Ac felly, buaswn yn apelio arno - gwn ei fod yn gwbl ddiffuant am y mater sylfaenol, ond o ran sicrhau bod y Llywodraeth yn rhoi pleidlais i bawb ohonom, dyma ein cyfle. Manteisiwch arno. Manteisiwch arno yn awr. Manteisiwch arno heno. Ni chawn gyfle arall; dyma ydyw. Credaf mai'r consensws a glywais yn y cyfraniadau yn y Siambr, gan Andrew R.T. Davies, gan Aelodau eraill, gan gynnwys Lee Waters, rwy'n credu, yw'r ffigur o £2 biliwn. Credaf fod pob un ohonom yn derbyn bod yna elfen anochel ynglŷn ag i ble rydym yn mynd yn y pen draw. Mewn cyfraniad grymus iawn, tynnodd Jenny Rathbone sylw at y ffaith bod costau cyfle i'w cael ym mhob rhan o Gymru, onid oes? Cyfeiriodd Rhun ap Iorwerth at beth o'r tanfuddsoddi cymharol a fu mewn rhai rhanbarthau yng Nghymru. Ond mae'n wir: roedd Mark Barry, yn ei asesiad cychwynnol o gost cyfnod cyntaf y metro - wyddoch chi, byddai £1 biliwn, £1.5 biliwn, £2 biliwn yn sicrhau effaith drawsnewidiol enfawr ar drafnidiaeth gyhoeddus yn ne-ddwyrain Cymru hefyd. A'r cyfrif o'r gost cyfle honno sy'n rhaid inni allu ei hysgwyddo fel Aelodau unigol ar draws ein pleidiau, ac roedd Simon Thomas yn iawn i ddweud ein bod - fel plaid, mae'n rhaid i ni ailwerthuso ein safbwynt yng ngoleuni'r dystiolaeth a gyflwynwyd. Felly, rydym yn cofnodi hynny. Hoffem annog yr Aelodau - . Rwy'n sylweddoli bod hyn yn gynhenid anodd, ac mewn gwirionedd, rwy'n talu teyrnged i'r Aelodau ar y meinciau Llafur a siaradodd yn rymus tu hwnt, fod angen inni gael pleidlais ddemocrataidd, yn bennaf, wrth gwrs, oherwydd yr amheuaeth rydych yn ei rannu, rydym ni yn ei rhannu, ynglŷn ag a fyddai hyn yn dangos gwir werth am arian, ond hefyd y gwerthoedd cywiraf - y gwerthoedd rydym am eu hymgorffori yn y dyfodol y ceisiwn ei greu ar gyfer ein gwlad. Edrychwch, rwy'n sylweddoli ein bod i gyd yn cymryd rhan o bryd i'w gilydd - mae'n ddiffyg galwedigaethol o bosibl - mewn gornest gecru. Ond mae rhai pethau'n bwysicach, ac os wyf fi mewn unrhyw ffordd, mewn unrhyw sylwadau a wneuthum, wedi cymylu eich barn ar hynny rwy'n ymddiheuro, oherwydd - cafwyd llawer o ymddiheuriadau yn y Siambr hon yn ddiweddar, ac rwy'n barod i wneud hwn hefyd - mae hyn yn bwysicach na theatr wleidyddol. Mae hyn yn bwysicach nag ennill neu golli yn yr ystyr arwynebol honno. Mae hyn yn ymwneud â dyfodol ein gwlad, a chaf fy nghalonogi gan yr ymdeimlad o gonsensws yn y Siambr hon, ar y mathau hyn o benderfyniadau - penderfyniadau a fydd, o'u gwneud, yn effeithio ar genedlaethau i ddod - yna rhaid i ni, fel Senedd, fel seneddwyr, waeth beth fo'n plaid, fynnu ein bod yn cael pleidlais. Ac fe wahoddais Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet - yn yr ychydig eiliadau sydd gennyf yn weddill, os yw am godi ar ei draed i roi sicrwydd i ni y cawn y bleidlais honno, gall wneud hynny. Ond mae arnaf ofn fod y tawelwch yn siarad drosto'i hun. Os ydych am weld pleidlais ddemocrataidd, defnyddiwch eich pleidlais heno.