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English: I would also think, to a certain extent, rather than looking at it from the point of view of how much money we can get, it's important that we look at the needs of the people of Wales too. I do believe that our figures are more conservative, because we perhaps hadn't looked at the bigger picture in terms of future possibilities in terms of the digital future of our communities and creating content locally. We need to speak more to people across Wales, because people of course are willing to give - . If you think of something such as Radio Ceredigion, as it was, then people contributed voluntarily to that. There was local fundraising. Now, they couldn't compete, when it went out to tender, against the large companies from London that broadcast everything across the country making minor changes, but that is value for money. Do we want a whole host of commercial radio stations that don't work? We need to look at what our communities need and how we can make it work. Our children, from Welsh-speaking households, are looking at content that simply isn't available through the medium of Welsh, so we need to create that content through the medium of Welsh that views things through a Welsh prism. So, that is the need, and there are all sorts of ways that we could meet that need. Then, of course, we need to look at what's available at a national level, too. As I say, it's value for money. The news that we're getting from the BBC at the moment, if anything, is killing our nation, rather than empowering our nation.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n meddwl hefyd, i raddau, yn lle dod o faint o arian gallwn ni ei gael, mae'n bwysig i edrych ar yr un pryd ar anghenion pobl. Dwi'n credu, efallai, bod ein ffigurau ni'n fwy ceidwadol gan ein bod ni hefyd, efallai, ddim wedi edrych ar y darlun llawn o ran posibiliadau o ran y dyfodol digidol yn ein cymunedau ni a chreu mwy yn lleol. Mae eisiau siarad mwy gyda phobl ar draws Cymru, achos mae pobl yn fodlon rhoi - . Os meddyliwch chi am rywbeth fel Radio Ceredigion, fel oedd e, roedd pobl yn rhoi o'u gwirfodd i hynny. Roedd codi arian yn lleol yn digwydd i ariannu hynny. Doedden nhw ddim yn gallu cystadlu, pan aeth e i tender yn erbyn cwmnïau mawr o Lundain sy'n darlledu'r un peth trwy bob man ond yn gwneud un newid bach, ac eto mae e'n werth am arian. Beth ydyn ni'n moyn? Ydyn ni'n moyn llwyth o orsafoedd radio masnachol sydd ddim yn gweithio, neu beth sydd angen ar ein cymunedau ni a sut ydyn ni'n mynd i'w wneud e i weithio? Yr un peth bydden i'n dweud eto: mae'n plant ni, plant o deuluoedd Cymraeg eu hiaith, efallai, yn edrych ar bethau sydd ddim ar gael yn Gymraeg. Beth sydd angen yw inni greu cynnwys iddyn nhw drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg sydd hefyd yn Gymreig ac sydd â ffenest Gymreig. Dyna'r angen, ac mae yna lwyth o ffyrdd y gellir ateb yr angen hynny. Ac wedyn, wrth gwrs, edrych ar beth sydd ar gael yn genedlaethol ac eto dweud gwerth am arian. Mae'r newyddion sy'n dod o'r BBC ar hyn o bryd, os rhywbeth, yn lladd ein cenedl ni yn fwy na grymuso ein cenedl ni.
English: I don't think that it's less funding, I think it's a similar figure, if not slightly higher, to be factually accurate. I think there are several things to say in that regard. I think a number of broadcasters would admit that they want more platforms so that they can show their content as it is. I think that is a point that should be made, but I also think that we have a funding method here. We can release some of the funding that exists already. There is room to question to what extent content on the network of the BBC is beneficial to Wales, and I think there's room to question whether we consider that as expenditure - . The majority isn't expenditure for programmes about Wales, but programmes from Wales. We're talking about sovereignty over that funding and control of that funding. So, I see that they include £53 million in the BBC's figures for network programmes, but, I think there is room to question to what extent that is beneficial in terms of telling the story of Wales, not only to the people of Wales, but to the world. So, I think devolution releases the potential of that funding, in a way. I think that is related to what we've put forward, and, I think that the figures that we've put forward are a slight increase on what is currently being spent.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn meddwl ei fod e'n llai o arian, dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n ffigwr tebyg, os nad ychydig yn uwch na'r hyn rŷn ni'n ei ddweud, i fod yn ffeithiol gywir. Dwi'n meddwl bod yna sawl peth i'w dweud o ran hynny. Dwi'n meddwl y byddai nifer o ddarlledwyr yn cyfaddef eu bod nhw eisiau mwy o lwyfannau i ddangos cynnwys fel y mae. Mae hynny'n bwynt. Ond dwi hefyd yn meddwl bod gennym ddull o ariannu - . Mae ffordd o ryddhau rhywfaint o'r arian sy'n bodoli'n barod. Mae yna le i gwestiynu i ba raddau mae cynnwys rhwydwaith y BBC yn fuddiol i Gymru, a dwi'n meddwl bod lle i gwestiynu a ydyn ni'n cyfrif hwnna fel gwariant - ? Hynny yw, yn sicr, dyw'r rhan fwyaf ddim yn wariant ar gyfer rhaglenni am Gymru, ond rhaglenni o Gymru, a dwi'n meddwl bod yna le - . Rŷn ni'n sôn am sofraniaeth dros yr arian yna, hynny yw, rheolaeth drosto fe. Felly, dwi'n gweld eu bod nhw'n cynnwys £53 miliwn yn ffigyrau'r BBC ar gyfer rhaglenni rhwydwaith, ond dwi'n meddwl bod yna le i gwestiynu i ba raddau y mae hwnna'n fuddiol o ran adrodd stori Cymru, nid yn unig i bobl Cymru ond i'r byd. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod datganoli'n rhyddhau'r potensial o ddefnyddio'r arian yna mewn ffyrdd - . A dwi'n meddwl bod hwnna'n ynghlwm â hyn, ac fel dwi'n dweud, dwi'n meddwl bod y ffigwr rŷn ni'n sôn am ei godi ychydig yn uwch na'r hyn sy'n cael ei wario ar hyn o bryd.
English: The problem now with things like S4C is, if you watch S4C and the programme isn't to your taste, well, where does a Welsh speaker go? They will turn to English-medium channels. S4C always have to fight against every other provider, and it's trying to save the language on its own, almost, and that simply isn't a sustainable position in any way whatsoever.
Welsh: Un o broblemau pethau fel S4C, wrth gwrs, yw, os ŷch chi'n gwylio S4C a bod y rhaglen ddim wrth eich bodd chi, ble sydd gan siaradwyr Cymraeg i fynd? Wel, rŷn ni'n mynd i droi i sianelau Saesneg. Mae S4C wastad yn gorfod brwydro yn erbyn popeth arall, hynny yw, mae'n trial achub yr iaith ar ei phen ei hun, bron â bod. Dyw hynny jest ddim yn sefyllfa gynaliadwy mewn unrhyw ffordd, dwi'n meddwl.
English: Sorry, a point that I forgot to make is if you look at the Basque Country and Catalonia, they have two ecosystems: they have the indigenous system and they continue to receive programmes from the state - from Madrid, mainly. So, it's not to say that - we can create a Welsh and Welsh-medium ecosystem here the same time as we receive UK programming. So, it adds to the provision. And, I think there's room to question, if we were to spend more funding on programmes about Wales, to what extent some broadcasters would continue to produce content in Wales that doesn't serve the needs of the people of Wales. So, I don't think it's a zero-sum game in terms of some of the figures, if you understand what I'm trying to say. There are some programmes that would be produced in Wales regardless, with regard to the license fee and the calculations on that.
Welsh: Sori, pwynt arall dwi wedi anghofio ei ddweud yw, os edrychwch chi ar Wlad y Basg a Catalonia, mae gyda nhw dwy ecosystem, onid oes? Mae gyda nhw system gynhenid ac maen nhw'n parhau i dderbyn rhaglenni'r wladwriaeth, hynny yw, o Madrid yn bennaf, am wn i. Felly, dyw e ddim i ddweud - rŷn ni'n gallu creu'r ecosystem Gymraeg a Chymreig yma ar yr un pryd â derbyn rhaglenni Prydeinig. Felly, mae'n ychwanegu at y ddarpariaeth. A dwi'n meddwl, hefyd, bod yna le i gwestiynu petaswn ni'n gwario mwy o arian ar raglenni am Gymru, i ba raddau y byddai rhai darlledwyr yn parhau i gynhyrchu pethau yng Nghymru sydd ddim er lles neu sydd ddim yn gwasanaethu buddiannau pobl Cymru? So, dwi ddim yn meddwl ei fod e'n zero-sum game o ran rhai o'r ffigyrau, os ŷch chi'n deall beth rwy'n ceisio ei ddweud. Hynny yw, mae yna rywfaint o raglenni fyddai'n cael eu cynhyrchu yng Nghymru ta beth am arian y ffi drwydded a'r calculations ynghylch hynny.
English: Just on a point of fact, I don't think the UK Government would accept the argument that it's not practically possible to put a digital transaction tax in place.
Welsh: Jest ar bwynt ffeithiol, dwi ddim yn meddwl y byddai Llywodraeth Prydain yn derbyn dy ddadl bod e ddim yn ymarferol bosibl i osod treth gwasanaethau digidol, achos dyna beth - .
English: Well, the plan at the moment is that it should come into force in April of this year, so, I don't think that they would accept that it's impractical. I think the plan is that they would receive £440 million in 2023-24 from that tax. So, I think the UK Government will argue that it's entirely practical. But, Heledd, if you - .
Welsh: Ond y cynllun ar hyn o bryd yw ei fod e'n dod i mewn i rym ym mis Ebrill eleni, felly, dwi ddim yn meddwl y byddan nhw'n derbyn ei fod e'n anymarferol. Dwi'n meddwl eu bod nhw'n cynllunio eu bod nhw'n derbyn £440 miliwn yn 2023-24 o'r dreth hynny. Felly, dwi'n meddwl y byddai Llywodraeth Prydain yn dadlau ei fod e'n hollol ymarferol. Ond, Heledd, os wyt ti - .
English: Yes, but I don't think it's an argument -
Welsh: Ie, ond dwi ddim yn meddwl ei bod hi'n ddadl -
English: I want to bring John Griffiths in, David, if that's okay.
Welsh: Dwi eisiau tynnu John Griffiths i mewn, os yw hynny'n iawn gyda chi, David.
English: Of course, when we began this work of talking about the devolution of broadcasting, everyone assumed that we were talking about the devolution of S4C, which was quite interesting. I think that shows that S4C has become part of the establishment, and represents broadcasting in Wales. But that's not the case. What we've tried to do is to shift the argument to realise - S4C is a channel, it's a Welsh-medium channel for Wales - we need Welsh-medium channels for Wales on channel 1, channel 2 and channel 3, don't we? So, we need to look at how S4C, as it is at the moment, can contribute to that shift. What expertise does it have at the moment? But it would more or less become one of the channels, perhaps the main channel. We would then need to decide who the S4C audiences are, what kind of programming they should produce, what the budget is, and so on. Then, that would be, say, channel 1 Wales; channel 2 Wales would, perhaps, then cover just news and sport; and then channel 3 would be more entertainment based; and S4C 1 could be more journalistic, perhaps. I don't know. We'd need to look at that, of course. But, for me, S4C isn't set in stone; it is something that is flexible and has to be used to find the right model.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, pan wnaethom ni ddechrau ar y gwaith hwn o siarad amboutu datganoli darlledu, roedd pob un yn cymryd yn ganiataol ein bod ni'n siarad amboutu datganoli S4C, a oedd yn eithaf diddorol. Rwy'n credu bod hwnna'n dangos bod S4C wedi dod yn rhan o'r sefydliad, a hwnna sy'n cynrychioli darlledu yng Nghymru. Ond dyw hwnna ddim yn wir o gwbl. Beth rŷn ni wedi trio gwneud yw siffto'r ddadl i sylweddoli - hynny yw, S4C, sianel yw e, sianel Cymru yn Gymraeg - bod eisiau sianelau Cymru'n Gymraeg ar sianel 1, 2 a 3, onid oes e? Felly, mae eisiau edrych ar sut buasai S4C, fel ag y mae nawr, yn gallu cyfrannu i'r symudiad hynny. Pa arbenigedd sydd o fewn S4C nawr? Ond byddai fe mwy neu lai, buaswn i'n meddwl, yn dod yn un o'r sianelau, efallai'n brif sianel. Byddai eisiau penderfynu pwy yw cynulleidfaoedd S4C, pa fath o raglenni, beth yw ei gyllideb, ac yn y blaen. Wedyn, byddai sianel 1 Cymru, dywedwch, yn hwnna; a sianel 2 Cymru fyddai, efallai, dim ond newyddion a chwaraeon neu rywbeth; sianel 3 Cymru fyddai materion ysgafn; efallai byddai S4C 1 yn bethau mwy dwys a newyddiadurol. Dwi ddim yn gwybod. Dyna beth mae eisiau edrych arno. Ond, i fi, dyw S4C ddim fan yna mewn carreg; mae'n rhywbeth hyblyg sydd angen ei ddefnyddio i ddod i'r model iawn.
English: We agree. There was a committee of this Senedd in 2008 that looked at broadcasting, and the finding was that the devolution of S4C as a channel on its own wasn't desirable. It's part of the broadcasting picture, and we agree with that. That's not an option that we are considering here, because we would have to have the regulation and the funding streams as part of that, and S4C wouldn't just be a channel but it would be a multi-media bilingual public broadcaster, perhaps. So, devolving one channel - that's not what we're talking about here, it's devolving broadcasting as a whole.
Welsh: Rydyn ni'n cytuno. Roedd yna bwyllgor yn y Senedd yma, yn ôl yn 2008, a oedd wedi edrych ar ddarlledu ac wedi dod i'r canfyddiad fod datganoli S4C fel sianel ar ei phen ei hun ddim yn rhywbeth i'w ystyried. Mae o'n rhan o ddarlledu, ac rydyn ni'n cydweld. Dyw hynny ddim yn opsiwn rydyn ni'n ei ystyried, achos byddai'n rhaid cael y rheoleiddio a dulliau ariannu a phopeth yn rhan ohono fo, a byddai'n rhaid i S4C fod nid ond yn sianel ond yn ddarlledwr cyhoeddus aml-gyfryngol, dwyieithog, o bosib. So, eto, dydy datganoli un sianel - dim dyna sydd dan sylw fan hyn, ond datganoli darlledu yn ei gyfanrwydd.
English: I think the Silk commission looked at this question too, and they were looking at a package of powers, not just one thing. I think they were talking about the federalisation of the BBC too. I think it's important to bear in mind that S4C is not Welsh broadcasting. Welsh broadcasting is even more than that. We've talked about commercial radio and the place of the Welsh language on Netflix. The absence of a body covering all of these platforms is very prominent and very serious indeed. It's not going to be resolved from Westminster; that body isn't going to be established in Westminster to regulate for the benefit of the Welsh language but also for the benefit of democracy in Wales. It's simply not going to come from Westminster. I think politicians in Wales have to wake up to the fact that this is a threat to democracy in Wales and a threat to the Welsh language. We are missing huge opportunities in not doing that. If you look at S4C and how it compares with Catalonia and the Basque Country, and how growth hasn't happened here, then the devolution of powers to those nations that I've just mentioned is clearly part of the factor as to why we haven't seen growth in Wales compared to countries similar to us.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl fod comisiwn Silk wedi edrych ar y cwestiwn hefyd, ac roedden nhw'n edrych ar becyn o bwerau, nid jest un peth. Dwi'n meddwl roedden nhw'n sôn am ffederaleiddio'r BBC yn ogystal â hynny. Dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n bwysig cofio, nid S4C yw darlledu Cymraeg. Hynny yw, mae darlledu Cymraeg hyd yn oed yn fwy na hynny. Fel roeddem ni'n sôn: radio masnachol, a lle mae'r Gymraeg ar Netflix. Mae diffyg corff sydd yn ymwneud â'r holl lwyfannau yn amlwg iawn ac yn ddifrifol. Ond dyw e ddim yn mynd i ddod o du San Steffan, y corff penodol hwnnw, i reoleiddio er lles y Gymraeg ac er lles democratiaeth yng Nghymru. Dyw e jest ddim yn mynd i ddod. Dwi'n meddwl bod rhaid i wleidyddion Cymru ddeffro i'r ffaith fod hwnna'n fygythiad i ddemocratiaeth yng Nghymru ac yn fygythiad i'r Gymraeg. Rŷn ni'n colli cyfleoedd difrifol, enfawr, wrth beidio â gwneud hynny. Os ydych chi'n edrych ar S4C a sut mae'n cymharu gyda Catalonia a Gwlad y Basg, a sut mae twf ddim wedi digwydd, mae datganoli pwerau i'r gwledydd hynny yn amlwg yn rhan o'r ffactor pam nad ydyn ni wedi gweld twf y Gymraeg o gymharu â gwledydd tebyg i ni.
English: It's also perhaps worth pointing out that the situation, it could be said, in terms of information for those who don't speak Welsh is worse, because we have Golwg, Barn, Y Faner Newydd, Y Cymro - newspapers in Welsh in Wales that look at Wales through that Welsh-medium lens. So, it could be said that's even worse. So, as I say, it's part of a bigger picture. And perhaps, in devolving S4C alone, you then establish that as the broadcaster in Wales, and it's enough of whipping boy as it is. We don't need to exacerbate that situation.
Welsh: Mae hefyd efallai werth dweud bod y sefyllfa, gellid dweud, o ran gwybodaeth i'r di-Gymraeg yn waeth, achos bod gyda ni Golwg, Barn, Y Faner Newydd, Y Cymro - papurau newydd yng Nghymru sydd yn edrych ar Gymru gyda llygad Cymru. Felly, gellid dweud ei fod e'n hyd yn oed yn waeth. Felly, fel dwi'n dweud, mae'n rhan o ddarlun mwy. Ac efallai, o ddatganoli dim ond S4C, rŷch chi'n creu hwnna fel y darlledwr i Gymru, ac mae e'n ddigon o gocyn hitio fel y mae e. Does dim eisiau creu mwy o gocyn hitio, dwi ddim yn credu.
English: I think, actually, what we're suggesting is a federal model. It depends how you define 'federal', I suppose, doesn't it? One could argue that it is a federal model, what we're arguing for. The most important question for us, and I know that someone from ITV asked: 'What is there to resolve? Why are we discussing this?' Well, is the system going to deal with the grave democratic deficit that exists now? Half the population don't know who the First Minister of Wales is. More than half the population don't know who the leaders of the opposition parties are. How on earth are they supposed to make democratic decisions in such a scenario? And secondly, how does it help the Welsh language in terms of its prominence? And as I say, there is no signal whatsoever from Westminster that they are going to do anything about that. So, some people say - and I think some witnesses from BBC and ITV said - that because Netflix exists it's some sort of argument against the devolution of broadcasting. It's quite to the contrary: it shows that we need a body in Wales to be that regulator and to insist that the Welsh language does have prominence on those platforms.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, actually, bod yr hyn rŷn ni'n awgrymu yn fodel ffederal. Mae'n dibynnu sut mae rhywun yn diffinio 'ffederal', onid ydy e? Gellid dadlau ei fod e'n fodel ffederal, yr hyn rŷn ni'n dadlau drosto fe. Dwi'n meddwl mai'r cwestiwn pwysicaf i ni, a dwi'n gwybod bod rhywun o ITV wedi gofyn: 'Beth sydd yna i ddatrys? Pam rydyn ni'n trafod hyn?' Wel, a ydy'r system yn mynd i ddelio â'r diffyg democrataidd difrifol sy'n bodoli? Dyw hanner y boblogaeth ddim yn gwybod pwy yw Prif Weinidog Cymru. Mae dros hanner y boblogaeth ddim yn yn gwybod pwy yw arweinwyr y gwrthbleidiau. Sut ar wyneb y ddaear maen nhw i fod i wneud penderfyniadau democrataidd yn y fath sefyllfa? Ac yn ail, sut mae'n helpu'r Gymraeg o ran ei phresenoldeb? Fel dwi'n dweud, does dim arwydd o gwbl bod San Steffan am wneud unrhyw beth am hynny. So, dwi'n meddwl bod rhai pobl yn dweud - roedd rhai o'r tystion o'r BBC ac ITV yn dweud - achos bod Netflix yn bodoli ei fod e'n rhyw fath o ddadl yn erbyn datganoli darlledu. I'r gwrthwyneb yn llwyr: mae'n dangos bod angen corff yng Nghymru i fod yn rheoleiddio ac yn mynnu fod y Gymraeg yn cael presenoldeb ar y llwyfannau hynny.
English: In terms of the process, I would say that the argument for federalising is an argument in favour of coming to a consensus, or trying to encourage people to agree. If we want to maintain the licence fee in Wales, for example, if we're responsible for it, then we could do that. We wouldn't have to go to England, cap in hand, to ask for it. But if it's to move things forward in terms of the process, perhaps there is room for that. But, devolution of broadcasting: we know what's needed in Wales, and we shouldn't have to go and put forward the arguments to Ministers in another country.
Welsh: O ran y broses, hynny yw, buaswn i'n meddwl bod y ddadl dros ffederaleiddio ddim ond yn ddadl dros dod â rhyw fath o gonsensws, neu dros drio annog pobl i gytuno. Os ydyn ni moyn cadw'r ffi drwydded, er enghraifft, yng Nghymru, os taw ni sy'n gyfrifol amdano fe, fe allwn ni wneud hynny. Does dim rhaid i ni fynd i Loegr i ofyn. Ond os yw e er mwyn symud pethau ymlaen o ran y broses, efallai bod lle iddo fe. Ond, datganoli darlledu: ni sy'n gwybod beth sydd ei angen ar Gymru, a dylen ni ddim fod yn gorfod mynd i ddadlau beth rŷn ni'n gwybod gyda Gweinidogion mewn gwlad arall.
English: As I said earlier, at the beginning of the campaign to establish a Welsh Parliament in the 1950s, they were talking about broadcasting. Is that a federal model? Well, I suppose it is. It's autonomy for every nation. So, I think, whatever term you use, it's a natural part of what should be devolved, I would say.
Welsh: Ac fel ro'n i'n dweud gynt, ar ddechrau yr ymgyrch i sefydlu Senedd i Gymru yn y 1950au, roedden nhw'n sôn am ddarlledu. Ydy e'n fodel ffederal? Am wn i ei fod e. Mae e'n fath o ymreolaeth i bob cenedl. Felly, dwi'n meddwl, beth bynnag yw'r term, mae'n rhan naturiol o beth ddylai gael ei ddatganoli, buaswn i'n dweud.
English: But, as you said, the campaign to establish S4C was a campaign to devolve broadcasting initially, but because the fourth channel became available, it was turned into a campaign to establish S4C. Forty years - . So, we had four channels; one was in Welsh. Forty years have elapsed, and it hasn't moved forward; not even S4C's remit to do things online until recently. I think that was recent - . So, are we genuinely going to argue that our regulation is best held where it currently is, considering what our situation is at the moment? It couldn't be worse, could it?
Welsh: Ond, fel ti'n dweud, yr ymgyrch dros sefydlu S4C, ymgyrch dros ddatganoli darlledu oedd e i ddechrau, ond achos bod pedwerydd sianel yn dod yn rhydd, penderfynwyd cymryd y cyfle i'w droi yn ymgyrch dros S4C. Mae 40 mlynedd - . So, pedair sianel; roedd un yn Gymraeg. Mae yna 40 mlynedd wedi mynd, a dyw e ddim wedi symud ymlaen dim; ddim hyd yn oed cyrch gorchwyl S4C i wneud pethau ar-lein tan yn ddiweddar. Efallai ei fod e'n ddiweddar - . Ond ydyn ni wir yn mynd i ddadlau bod ein rheoleiddio ni yn well lle mae e nawr, i feddwl beth yw'n sefyllfa ni ar hyn o bryd? All hi ddim fod yn waeth.
English: John, anything else?
Welsh: John, unrhyw beth arall?
English: No, thank you.
Welsh: Dim, diolch yn fawr.
English: Okay, well, that concludes our questioning. Thank you very much for your evidence today, and for your written evidence. As I'm sure you will know, you will receive a transcript to ensure that we have accurately recorded your comments. Of course, other witnesses will provide evidence, and if you want to respond to that evidence, then you are welcome to contribute further written evidence. So, thank you very much for your attendance today. Thank you.
Welsh: Ocê, wel, dyna ddiwedd ein cwestiynau ni. Diolch yn fawr iawn am eich tystiolaeth heddiw, a'r dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig. Fel dwi'n siŵr eich bod chi'n gwybod, fe wnewch chi dderbyn transcript er mwyn sicrhau ein bod ni wedi cofnodi yn gywir beth yn union beth dŷch chi wedi'i ddweud. Wrth gwrs, bydd tystiolaeth arall yn dod gerbron, ac os dŷch chi am ymateb i hynny o gwbl, mae croeso i chi gyfrannu eto yn ysgrifenedig. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich cyfraniadau. Diolch yn fawr.
English: And I think we have one paper to note. It is correspondence from the education Minister. Are Members content to note that public assessment? If need be, we can discuss it in private session. Content? Okay.
Welsh: Mae gyda ni un papur i nodi, dwi'n credu. Rydyn ni'n symud i'r llythyr oddi wrth y Gweinidog Addysg. So, ydy Aelodau'n hapus i nodi'r asesiad cyhoeddus? Os oes angen, cawn ni ei drafod mewn sesiwn breifat. Yw hynny'n iawn? Iawn.
English: I will move a motion under the Standing Order that we resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Is everyone content? Thank you.
Welsh: Felly, dwi'n cynnig ein bod ni'n symud i mewn i sesiwn breifat a gwahardd y cyhoedd o'n trafodaethau. A yw pawb yn hapus i dderbyn hynny? Diolch yn fawr.