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English: Thank you. I totally understand the aspiration behind that and totally share that aspiration in terms of that threshold figure around GCSEs. Would you also acknowledge that there is a wide range of ability and, for some children, being able to attend school and come out of school intact is a major achievement, and that it's not all about qualifications?
Welsh: Diolch. Rwy'n llwyr ddeall y dyhead y tu ôl i hynny ac yn rhannu'r dyhead hwnnw'n gyfan gwbl o ran y ffigur trothwy ar gyfer TGAU. A fyddech hefyd yn cydnabod bod ystod eang o allu ac i rai plant, fod gallu mynychu'r ysgol a dod oddi yno'n un darn yn gyflawniad mawr, ac nad yw'n ymwneud â chymwysterau'n unig?
English: - removed from the care of the family, including - . Of course I will.
Welsh: - sy'n cael eu symud o ofal y teulu, gan gynnwys - . Wrth gwrs y gwnaf.
English: Thank you for that. Would you acknowledge that in regard to having too many children in a local authority being taken into care, as you have just stated, is based on an individual assessment of each individual case? And that has to go through a very long and drawn-out process, which I haven't really got time to go through at this moment in time. That has to be done because of that child's particular situation, and that's the only factor involved.
Welsh: Diolch am hynny. A fyddech yn cydnabod, o ran cael gormod o blant mewn awdurdod lleol yn cael eu rhoi mewn gofal, fel rydych newydd ei ddweud, ei fod yn seiliedig ar asesiad unigol o bob achos unigol? Ac mae'n rhaid i hynny fynd drwy broses hir a maith, nad oes gennyf amser i fynd drwyddi ar hyn o bryd. Mae'n rhaid gwneud hynny oherwydd sefyllfa benodol y plentyn dan sylw, a dyna'r unig ffactor sy'n gysylltiedig â hyn.
English: I certainly acknowledge that, Rhianon, but it does appear from the statistics that we have in Wales, compared to those they have in England and the other parts of the UK, that there seems to be an over-zealous approach being used in Wales by those social workers who are looking after these children, and I'll come to what happens after. And I want to just look at what happens once the children are taken into care. Families who have children taken away face great difficulties in overturning social service decisions with regard to removing their child or children. The fact that family courts are closed courts, including the exclusion of journalists, means there is no independent scrutiny of the judicial procedures. There are also many obstacles for families in securing good legal representation as there may be conflicts of interests where large practices are often engaged on local authority business. The removal of a child from its natural parents is a traumatic event, both for the child and the family, including grandparents and close family. It is therefore essential that such decisions can be robustly scrutinised through the judicial system. There's a great deal of anecdotal evidence to suggest that under the present legal system this is almost impossible to obtain. Whilst we recognise that much of the legal levers lie outside the competencies of the Welsh Government, we would urge you to make interventions where possible to enable a true scrutiny of the whole area of the taking of children into state care or the allocation of where parental control should lie.
Welsh: Rwy'n sicr yn cydnabod hynny, Rhianon, ond mae'n ymddangos o'r ystadegau sydd gennym yng Nghymru, o'u cymharu â'r rhai sydd ganddynt yn Lloegr a'r rhannau eraill o'r DU, ei bod yn ymddangos bod ymagwedd rhy eiddgar yng Nghymru gan y gweithwyr cymdeithasol sy'n edrych ar ôl y plant hyn, ac fe ddof at yr hyn sy'n digwydd wedyn. Ac rwyf am edrych yn unig ar yr hyn sy'n digwydd pan fydd y plant yn cael eu rhoi mewn gofal. Mae teuluoedd y cafodd plant eu cymryd oddi wrthynt yn ei chael hi'n anodd iawn gwyrdroi penderfyniadau gwasanaethau cymdeithasol mewn perthynas â symud eu plentyn neu eu plant. Mae'r ffaith bod llysoedd teulu yn llysoedd caeedig, gan gynnwys eithrio newyddiadurwyr, yn golygu nad oes craffu annibynnol ar y gweithdrefnau barnwrol. Mae llawer o rwystrau hefyd i deuluoedd rhag gallu sicrhau cynrychiolaeth gyfreithiol dda oherwydd gallai fod gwrthdaro buddiannau lle mae cwmnïau cyfreithwyr mawr yn aml yn ymwneud â busnes awdurdodau lleol. Mae symud plentyn o ofal ei rieni naturiol yn ddigwyddiad trawmatig, i'r plentyn ac i'r teulu, gan gynnwys i deidiau a neiniau a theulu agos. Mae'n hanfodol felly y gellir craffu'n drylwyr ar benderfyniadau o'r fath drwy'r system farnwrol. Ceir llawer o dystiolaeth anecdotaidd sy'n awgrymu bod hyn bron yn amhosibl o dan y system gyfreithiol bresennol. Er ein bod yn cydnabod bod llawer o'r dulliau cyfreithiol y tu hwnt i gymwyseddau Llywodraeth Cymru, byddem yn eich annog i ymyrryd lle bo hynny'n bosibl er mwyn gallu craffu'n gywir ar holl faes symud plant i ofal y wladwriaeth neu farnu pwy ddylai gael rheolaeth rhiant.
English: The fact of the matter is that closed family courts -
Welsh: Y gwir amdani yw nad yw llysoedd teulu caeedig -
English: - are not in the interests of the children. Sorry, I do apologise.
Welsh: - er lles y plant. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, rwy'n ymddiheuro.
English: Thanks. I absolutely agree with what you're saying about the family court system. So, do you not think that we could do it better in Wales if we had our own legal jurisdiction here?
Welsh: Diolch. Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr â'r hyn rydych yn ei ddweud am y system llysoedd teulu. Felly, oni chredwch y gallem ei wneud yn well yng Nghymru pe bai gennym ein hawdurdodaeth gyfreithiol ein hunain yma?
English: Well, I'm not sure that that would happen. We have to have a situation where there's an acknowledgement of the fact that family courts sitting in secret is wrong. When I was a magistrate, I could instruct all journalists in a court - I could give reporting restrictions on those journalists. I see no reason why those restrictions can't be applied to family courts. I appreciate the fact that we shouldn't have the general public in family courts, but why not journalists to make sure that there is some scrutiny of what goes on? I think it's appalling that there isn't.
Welsh: Wel, nid wyf yn siŵr y byddai hynny'n digwydd. Mae'n rhaid inni gael sefyllfa lle mae cydnabyddiaeth i'r ffaith bod llysoedd teulu sy'n eistedd yn gyfrinachol yn anghywir. Pan oeddwn yn ynad, gallwn gyfarwyddo'r holl newyddiadurwyr mewn llys - gallwn roi cyfyngiadau adrodd ar y newyddiadurwyr hynny. Ni welaf unrhyw reswm pam na ellir gosod y cyfyngiadau hynny mewn llysoedd teulu. Rwy'n derbyn na ddylem adael i'r cyhoedd ddod i lysoedd teulu, ond pam na ddylem gael newyddiadurwyr i wneud yn siŵr fod craffu'n cael ei gyflawni ar yr hyn sy'n digwydd? Rwy'n credu ei bod yn warthus nad oes.
English: Thanks for giving way, Julie. You mentioned at the start of your contribution the work of the Public Accounts Committee in this area that looked at all of these areas. As you'll know, we made a point of taking evidence from the young people themselves, and one of the overriding messages that we got from those young people was the importance of stability, particularly when it comes to placements. Some young people may be having 20, 25 placements in one year. So, when you're looking at this whole-system approach, do you value the input of the committee in suggesting that there should be greater stability for young people and that they should be put at the centre of the process, not just told what's going to happen to them?
Welsh: Diolch am ildio, Julie. Ar ddechrau eich cyfraniad, fe sonioch am waith y Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus yn y maes hwn a edrychodd ar bob un o'r meysydd hyn. Fel y gwyddoch, fe wnaethom bwynt o gymryd tystiolaeth gan y bobl ifanc eu hunain, ac un o'r negeseuon pwysicaf a gawsom gan y bobl ifanc hynny oedd pwysigrwydd sefydlogrwydd, yn enwedig o ran lleoliadau. Efallai y bydd rhai pobl ifanc yn cael 20, 25 o leoliadau mewn un flwyddyn. Felly, pan fyddwch yn edrych ar y dull system gyfan hwn, a ydych yn gwerthfawrogi cyfraniad y pwyllgor yn awgrymu y dylai fod mwy o sefydlogrwydd i bobl ifanc ac y dylid eu rhoi yng nghanol y broses, nid dim ond dweud wrthynt beth sy'n mynd i ddigwydd iddynt?
English: Thank you. The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Could be quicker than that. Therefore, we defer voting until voting time.
Welsh: Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Gallai fod yn gyflymach na hynny. Felly, gohiriwn y bleidlais tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: You just took me back to 2007, and I think your cross-party group on eating disorders was one of the first CPGs that I attended, and you brought a young man along with you to that meeting who had been suffering from an eating disorder. So, I think the point you made there, about, often, men don't want to own up to the fact that they've got an eating disorder or a wider mental health issue, is a particular problem. So, perhaps that's something that can be addressed moving forward, so that that big chunk of people who don't report do actually come forward and say - hold their hand and say, 'Hey, I've actually got a problem.'
Welsh: Rydych chi newydd fynd â mi yn ôl i 2007, a chredaf fod eich grŵp trawsbleidiol ar anhwylderau bwyta yn un o'r grwpiau trawsbleidiol cyntaf i mi eu mynychu, a daethoch â dyn ifanc gyda chi i'r cyfarfod hwnnw a oedd wedi bod yn dioddef o anhwylder bwyta. Felly, rwy'n credu bod y pwynt a wnaethoch, fod dynion yn aml yn amharod i gyfaddef bod ganddynt anhwylder bwyta neu broblem iechyd meddwl ehangach, yn broblem benodol. Felly, efallai fod hynny'n rhywbeth y gellir mynd i'r afael ag ef wrth symud ymlaen, fel bod y nifer fawr o bobl nad ydynt wedi'u cofnodi yn camu ymlaen ac yn dweud - dal eu llaw a dweud, 'Hei, mae gennyf broblem.'
English: I now call on the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, Julie Morgan.
Welsh: Galwaf yn awr ar y Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol, Julie Morgan.
English: Thank you very much to everyone who took part, and I hope that changes will be afoot to ensure that those changes do help those people at the front line, so that they don't become so poorly that they have to enter a treatment unit in England, and that they can remain in the community to receive that specific treatment.
Welsh: Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i bawb a wnaeth gymryd rhan, a gobeithio y bydd newidiadau ar y gweill er mwyn sicrhau bod y newidiadau hynny yn helpu'r bobl sydd ar y rheng flaen, fel eu bod nhw ddim yn mynd mor sâl fel bod angen iddyn nhw fynd mewn i uned driniaeth yn Lloegr, a'u bod nhw'n gallu aros yn y gymuned i gael y driniaeth benodol honno.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does anyone object? [ Objection.] Then I'll defer voting under this item until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio. A oes unrhyw un yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Felly, gohiriaf y bleidlais o dan yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: 'People with mental health problems being sent out of the area, out of the country, even, are not people with very rare or unusual conditions. They're people we could care for near their families and near their friends.'
Welsh: Nid yw pobl â phroblemau iechyd meddwl sy'n cael eu hanfon allan o'r ardal, allan o'r wlad hyd yn oed, yn bobl â chyflyrau anghyffredin neu anarferol iawn. Maent yn bobl y gallem ofalu amdanynt yn agos at eu teuluoedd ac yn agos at eu ffrindiau.
English: You hear the argument being made sometimes that the critical mass of population doesn't exist here in Wales, but for most conditions, we certainly do have a population that desperately needs that care close to home. It's poor historical patterns in terms of the commissioning of care that has placed us in this position. So that's enough of the excuses; let's send a very clear message that this has to end, and that we have to develop a health service that truly suits our needs as a nation.
Welsh: Mi glywoch chi'r ddadl yn cael ei gwneud weithiau bod y mas critigol o ran poblogaeth ddim gennym ni yma yng Nghymru, ond ar gyfer y rhan fwyaf o gyflyrau, mae gennym ni yn sicr y boblogaeth sydd ag angen dwys i gael y gofal yn agos at gartref, a diogi a phatrymau hanesyddol gwael o ran comisiynu gofal sydd wedi ein rhoi ni yn y sefyllfa yma. Felly, dyna ddigon o esgusodion; gadewch i ni anfon neges glir iawn bod yn rhaid i hyn ddod i ben, a bod yn rhaid i ni ddatblygu gwasanaeth iechyd sydd wir yn siwtio ein hanghenion ni fel gwlad.
English: I have selected the two amendments to the motion, and if amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be deselected. I call on the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to move formally amendment 1, tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans.
Welsh: Rwyf wedi dewis y ddau welliant i'r cynnig, ac os derbynnir gwelliant 1, bydd gwelliant 2 yn cael ei ddad-ddethol. Galwaf ar y Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol i gyflwyno gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Rebecca Evans, yn ffurfiol.
English: Thank you very much. I just wanted to let the Chamber know that I had a meeting with Healthcare Inspectorate Wales on this issue, with the head, and she was quite clear about the difficulties - the legislative and practical difficulties - of monitoring a placement in England from a Welsh organisation.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Roeddwn am adael i'r Siambr wybod fy mod wedi cael cyfarfod ag Arolygiaeth Gofal Iechyd Cymru ar y mater hwn, gyda'r pennaeth, ac roedd hi'n eithaf clir ynglŷn â'r anawsterau - yr anawsterau deddfwriaethol ac ymarferol - a fyddai'n codi pe bai sefydliad yng Nghymru yn monitro lleoliad yn Lloegr.
English: There are difficulties in monitoring, and we should take those into account, but I don't think that the way to deal with that is to extend the Welsh regulation to English facilities, or think that that's a realistic way of dealing with that. I think that we need to have mutual recognition or equivalence of that, and trusted relationships with regulators. I'm not convinced about the proposal for a communication plan, but I think that the treatment plan should consider how to communicate with family and others. I think that when we do have patients in England, those facilities in England need to understand who they are dealing with in Wales. I think that there has been a terrible problem with the health board, and then WHSSC, and not being clear who is doing what. We need to be clear, and we need to make sure that the facility that we're commissioning in England is also clear. I think that the Welsh Government have a good amendment on this with the right balance on their points (a) and (b), and we intend to support their amendment, but oppose the motion and the other amendments. Thank you.
Welsh: Ceir anawsterau o ran monitro, a dylem ystyried y rheini, ond nid wyf yn credu mai'r ffordd o fynd i'r afael â hynny yw ymestyn trefn reoleiddio Cymru i gynnwys cyfleusterau yn Lloegr, neu feddwl bod honno'n ffordd realistig o ymdrin â hynny. Credaf fod angen inni sicrhau cydnabyddiaeth ar y ddwy ochr neu rywbeth tebyg i hynny, a chael perthynas y gellir ymddiried ynddi gyda'r cyrff rheoleiddio. Nid wyf wedi fy narbwyllo ynglŷn â'r cynnig ar gyfer cynllun cyfathrebu, ond rwy'n credu y dylai'r cynllun triniaeth ystyried sut i gyfathrebu â theulu ac eraill. Pan fydd gennym gleifion yn Lloegr, credaf fod angen i'r cyfleusterau yn Lloegr wybod pwy maent yn ymwneud â hwy yng Nghymru. Rwy'n credu bod problem ofnadwy wedi bod gyda'r bwrdd iechyd, a chyda Phwyllgor Gwasanaethau Iechyd Arbenigol Cymru wedyn, a diffyg eglurder ynglŷn â phwy sy'n gwneud beth. Mae angen inni fod yn glir, ac mae angen inni sicrhau bod y cyfleuster rydym yn ei gomisiynu yn Lloegr hefyd yn glir. Credaf fod gan Lywodraeth Cymru welliant da ar hyn gyda'r cydbwysedd cywir yn eu pwyntiau (a) a (b), a bwriadwn gefnogi eu gwelliant, ond byddwn yn gwrthwynebu'r cynnig a'r gwelliannau eraill. Diolch.
English: Postpartum psychosis, on the CYPE committee - . When we looked at this, we spoke with one lady who had come down to Cardiff when the facility was there, who would have preferred to go to Manchester. For many in north Wales, it works to go to the mother and baby unit and a hospital in Manchester, and that will be preferable to being made to come down to Cardiff, further from their families.
Welsh: Seicosis postpartum, ar y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg - . Pan edrychasom ar hyn, buom yn siarad ag un ddynes a oedd wedi dod i lawr i Gaerdydd pan oedd y cyfleuster yno, a byddai'n well ganddi fod wedi mynd i Fanceinion. I lawer yng ngogledd Cymru, mae'n gweithio i fynd i uned mam a'i baban ac ysbyty ym Manceinion, a bydd hynny'n well na chael eu gorfodi i ddod i lawr i Gaerdydd, ymhellach oddi wrth eu teuluoedd.
English: Sorry, just to illustrate your point because, yes, there is the Caswell Clinic but, actually, they're full already with people. We've got 61 people at my last count, which wasn't very long ago, in England. For example, one of my constituents, because the ward that that person is on is under threat of closure, is now being threatened with a move to Stevenage. To be honest with you, I'm not actually sure I know where Stevenage is, but further and further away from Wales, and they can't get to the few places that we have that are medium secure. We have at least 61 more people who need that kind of support.
Welsh: Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, dim ond i egluro eich pwynt oherwydd, ydy, mae Clinig Caswell yn bodoli ond mewn gwirionedd, maent yn llawn o bobl eisoes. Mae gennym 61 o bobl yn ôl fy nghyfrif diwethaf, nad oedd yn bell iawn yn ôl, yn Lloegr. Er enghraifft, mae perygl y bydd yn rhaid i un o fy etholwyr symud i Stevenage am fod y ward y mae'r unigolyn arni dan fygythiad i gau. I fod yn onest, nid wyf yn siŵr mewn gwirionedd fy mod yn gwybod ble mae Stevenage, ond ymhellach ac ymhellach i ffwrdd o Gymru, ac nid ydynt yn gallu cyrraedd yr ychydig leoedd sydd gennym sy'n unedau diogelwch canolig. Mae gennym o leiaf 61 yn fwy o bobl sydd angen y math hwnnw o gymorth.
English: Will you take an intervention, Deputy Minister, or are you out of time?
Welsh: A wnewch chi dderbyn ymyriad, Ddirprwy Weinidog, neu a yw eich amser ar ben?
English: Yes, certainly. Well, I'm just about to finish.
Welsh: Gwnaf, yn sicr. Wel, rwyf ar fin gorffen.
English: Go on, I'll let you - . She is out of time.
Welsh: Ewch amdani, fe wnaf adael i chi - . Mae ei hamser ar ben.
English: Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd. I was just going to make the point that whilst welcoming, of course, the interim mother and baby unit in Tonna, Tonna is four and a half hours away from mothers in the north of Wales. Would you agree that we need a bespoke solution for the problem in the north-west in particular? I think the health board is willing to start discussions around that with a view to getting provision in the north as well as in Tonna.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Roeddwn am wneud y pwynt, er fy mod yn croesawu'r uned dros dro ar gyfer mamau a babanod yn Ysbyty Tonna wrth gwrs, mae Tonna bedair awr a hanner i ffwrdd oddi wrth famau yng ngogledd Cymru. A fyddech yn cytuno fod arnom angen ateb pwrpasol ar gyfer y broblem yn y gogledd-orllewin yn arbennig? Rwy'n credu bod y bwrdd iechyd yn barod i ddechrau trafodaethau ynglŷn â hynny gyda'r bwriad o gael darpariaeth yn y gogledd yn ogystal ag yn Ysbyty Tonna.
English: Certainly, the Tonna Hospital site will not be suitable for women coming from the north, so certainly that's got to be looked at. So, in any case, I hope I've been able to provide some assurance that we do have plans to look at this whole difficult area, but improving mental health services is an absolute priority for us, and we do have arrangements in place to look at the quality and safety of placements in units in England.
Welsh: Yn sicr, ni fydd safle Ysbyty Tonna yn addas i fenywod sy'n dod o'r gogledd, felly yn bendant, mae'n rhaid edrych ar hynny. Felly, beth bynnag, rwy'n gobeithio fy mod wedi gallu rhoi rhywfaint o sicrwydd fod gennym gynlluniau i edrych ar yr holl faes anodd hwn, ond mae gwella gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl yn flaenoriaeth absoliwt inni, ac mae gennym drefniadau ar waith i edrych ar ansawdd a diogelwch lleoliadau mewn unedau yn Lloegr.
English: Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer, and thank you to everyone who has contributed to this valuable debate and raised very valid and important issues, and particularly the referrals to some of the appalling examples that I fear we're becoming far too used to. I'll just add one further element to this debate too, in concluding, because last year I asked Betsi Cadwaladr how many mental health patients were being sent to hospitals in England and, of course, there are dozens who leave north Wales for homes and mental health units across England. In many of these, the care provided is appropriate, although it is further from home than any one of us would want to see. But according to the Care Quality Commission, which assesses care standards in England, many of the units where patients from north Wales were sent were either inadequate or requiring improvement. Betsi Cadwaladr health board spends millions of pounds on mental health services and much of that goes to these institutions in England. I have a very grave concern about the level of care provided in these few institutions. It does pose a question as to what oversight there is of those most vulnerable patients if they are many hundreds of miles away from their families, and indeed hundreds of miles away from the health board that places them at those locations.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd, a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl werthfawr yma ac wedi codi materion cwbl ddilys ac o bwys, ac yn enwedig y cyfeiriadau at rai o'r enghreifftiau echrydus rŷn ni, dwi'n ofni, yn dod yn rhy gyfarwydd o lawer â nhw. Mi wnaf i ychwanegu un elfen arall at y drafodaeth yma hefyd, wrth gloi, oherwydd y flwyddyn ddiwethaf fe holais i fwrdd iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr faint o gleifion iechyd meddwl oedd yn cael eu danfon i ysbytai yn Lloegr ac, wrth gwrs, mae yna ddwsinau sy'n gadael y gogledd i gartrefi ac ysbytai iechyd meddwl ar hyd a lled Lloegr. Mewn llawer o'r rhain, wrth gwrs, mae'r gofal sy'n cael ei ddarparu yn addas, er, wrth gwrs, ei fod e yn bellach o adref nag y byddai unrhyw un ohonom ni yn ei ddymuno. Ond yn ôl y Care Quality Commission, sy'n asesu safonau gofal yn Lloegr, roedd llawer o'r sefydliadau lle danfonwyd cleifion o ogledd Cymru unai'n inadequate neu'n requiring improvement. Nawr, mae bwrdd iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr yn gwario miliynau lawer ar wasanaethau iechyd meddwl, a llawer o'r pres yna, wrth gwrs, yn mynd i'r sefydliadau yma yn Lloegr. Mae gen i bryder mawr am lefel y gofal yn yr ychydig sefydliadau yma. Mae yn gofyn cwestiwn o ba oruchwyliaeth sydd yno o'r cleifion mwyaf bregus yna os ydyn nhw gannoedd o filltiroedd i ffwrdd o'u teuluoedd, ac yn wir, gannoedd o filltiroedd i ffwrdd o'r bwrdd iechyd sydd yn eu gosod nhw yn y llefydd yna.