English: It's a positive step in the first instance that the Government's accepted the need for a sunset clause, as the Minister mentioned earlier in this session. The Government's original choice, of course, was to do that after five years, with a one-off opportunity to extend the powers for a further five years, and I explained at Stage 2 of this Bill that my concern with that was that it was out of sync with the reality of the electoral cycle and that it wasn't ideal for practical reasons. You could perhaps say the same about the review of the legislation after four years, which would face the same problem, to a certain extent. If there is not going to be a review before the next election, then there will be no motive to include alternative arrangements in the party manifestos for the next election, and nothing in the manifesto would possibly mean that Ministers would say that there is no mandate for change in the next Senedd. And likewise, in terms of the sunset clause after five years, to decide whether you continue with these arrangements or not, well, that debate, of course, wouldn't happen in the next Senedd until after the publication of the programme of government for the next Senedd, after the legislative programme was published. And I can hear the arguments now: 'Well, we have no scope to change things, we have no time to look at this', and then what we'll have is a kind of default where the five-year extension will be triggered. And, of course, we could find ourselves in the same situation at the end of that Senedd too, pushing the need for further reform not to the seventh Senedd, but to the eighth. So, the aim of the amendments in Stage 2 was to try and reset that timetable, to be pragmatic and to stick to a sunset clause after five years. But my original request was that we should only allow an extension for two years rather than five, ensuring that the next Government would have to get to grips with those broader reforms, rather than running the risk of finding ourselves not much further forward a decade from now. I'm pleased, therefore, and I'm grateful to the Minister for compromising on this with her amendment 2, and amendment 1, which is consequential to it, which limits the extension of the legislation to the end of the next Senedd rather than five years. And as she said, it's 'up to the next Senedd' - it could happen earlier. My hope, certainly, is that this will help in ensuring that broader reform and alternative arrangements will happen at least before the end of the next Senedd, or, as she suggested, perhaps even a little earlier. Thank you.
Welsh: Mae'n gam positif yn y lle cyntaf fod y Llywodraeth wedi derbyn yr angen am gymal machlud, fel roedd y Gweinidog yn sôn yn gynharach yn y sesiwn yma. Dewis y Llywodraeth, wrth gwrs, yn wreiddiol oedd gwneud hynny ar ôl pum mlynedd, gyda chyfle untro wedyn i estyn y pwerau am hyd at bum mlynedd ymhellach, ac fe esboniais i yng Nghyfnod 2 y Bil yma mai fy ngofid gyda hynny oedd ei fod e allan o sync gyda realiti y cylchdro etholiadol a'i fod e ddim yn ddelfrydol am resymau ymarferol. Gallech chi efallai ddweud yr un peth am yr adolygiad o ddeddfwriaeth ar ôl pedair blynedd hefyd a fyddai'n wynebu'r un benbleth, i raddau helaeth. Hynny yw, os does dim adolygiad yn mynd i ddigwydd cyn yr etholiad nesaf, yna fydd dim cymhelliad i gynnwys cynlluniau i ddatblygu trefniadau amgen ym maniffestos y pleidiau ar gyfer yr etholiad nesaf, dim byd yn y maniffesto o bosib yn golygu wedyn fod Gweinidog yn dweud bod dim mandad i newid pethau yn y Senedd nesaf. Ac yn yr un modd, o safbwynt y bleidlais fachlud ar ôl pum mlynedd, i benderfynu os ydych chi'n parhau â'r trefniadau yma neu beidio, wel, byddai hynny ddim yn digwydd, wrth gwrs - fyddai'r bleidlais yna a'r drafodaeth yna ddim yn digwydd yn y Senedd nesaf tan ar ôl cyhoeddi rhaglen lywodraethu'r Senedd nesaf, ar ôl cyhoeddi'r rhaglen ddeddfwriaethol. A gallaf i glywed y dadleuon nawr: 'O, wel, does dim lle i newid pethau, does dim amser i drio edrych ar hwn mewn gwirionedd', ac felly beth gawn ni ydy rhyw fath o sefyllfa default lle mae'r pum mlynedd o estyniad yn cael ei 'trigger-o'. Ac, wrth gwrs, fe allen ni ffeindio'n hunain yn yr un sefyllfa ar ddiwedd y Senedd yna wedyn, yn gwthio'r angen i gyflwyno diwygio ehangach nid i'r seithfed Senedd, ond i'r wythfed Senedd. Felly, bwriad fy ngwelliannau i yng Nghyfnod 2 oedd trio torri neu ailsetio'r amseru hynny, bod yn bragmatig a sticio at gymal machlud ar ôl pum mlynedd, ond fy ngofyn gwreiddiol i oedd dim ond caniatáu wedyn estyniad o hyd at ddwy flynedd yn lle pump, sicrhau bod y Llywodraeth nesaf wedyn yn gorfod mynd i'r afael â'r diwygiadau ehangach hynny, yn hytrach na rhedeg y risg o ffeindio'n hunain fawr ddim ymlaen ddegawd o nawr. Dwi'n falch, felly, ac yn ddiolchgar i'r Gweinidog am gyfaddawdu ar hwn gyda'i gwelliant 2, a gwelliant 1, sy'n gysylltiedig, wrth gwrs, yn cyfyngu ar estyn y ddeddfwriaeth i ddiwedd y Senedd nesaf yn lle am hyd at bum mlynedd. Ac fel dywedodd hi, 'hyd at ddiwedd y Senedd nesaf' - mi allai ddigwydd yn gynt. Fy ngobaith i yn sicr yw y bydd hyn, felly, yn help i sicrhau bod diwygio ehangach a chyflwyno trefniadau amgen o leiaf yn digwydd cyn diwedd y Senedd nesaf, neu, fel mae wedi awgrymu, efallai ychydig yn gynt hefyd. Diolch.