English: I thank David Melding very much for his contribution, and I'd like to reiterate my thanks for all the work that he has always done over many years, and is doing now on the MAG. So, thank you very much for that. I think he's absolutely right that the outcomes are good when they get care right, when we've exhausted every possibility for the children staying at home, and then we want to provide them with the best care that they possibly can have. And if we get it right, we know that the outcomes will be good, and we know that we need to put in extra things to make sure that that happens. But I have absolutely no doubt that he's right about that. The fact that the number has doubled in 20 years, I think, again, that is something that is concerning, because I don't think we really understand why it's doubled in 20 years. As we've said here today, in all the very good contributions there have been, there is absolutely no one way of saying, 'This is why that has happened.' So, I think that is something that we need to look at very closely. I think he's right that we do need more help with parenting skills, and I think that that's something we are actually looking at quite closely in looking at removing the defence of reasonable punishment. That's something that we are considering and looking at across the whole of Wales to see where there are gaps in terms of helping with parenting skills. But I think one of the good developments, which I know that David Melding has been involved with, is the development of the reflect programme, and I understand there is a reflect project in every region in Wales now, which is for a woman who's had one child taken into care and now is having a chance to have help and reflect, and following that, taking the child into care. I think that's a very good development. The lack of consistency in different local authorities and why there are differences between them is, again, something that should be looked at. Finally, this issue about politicians - yes, I think it is all our responsibility as politicians. Political leaders in local authorities are seen as the corporate parents, and I know that one of my predecessors in this job, Gwenda Thomas, who certainly has got a reputation to follow - . I was told, when I went into one local authority, that Gwenda Thomas said, when she went into that local authority, that she expected the officers to know the name of every child who was being looked after in that authority. And I think we have a role as politicians, and I know that David Melding has often said that perhaps we're the grandparents of them, the corporate grandparents of the children who we're looking after. And I think we do need to have this awareness and responsibility as politicians that these children are our children in Wales, and that's why I think it's so admirable, really, that the First Minister has put this right on the top of his agenda, which means that the work that David Melding is doing and the work that I'm doing is of absolute crucial importance. So, thank you for those comments, and we'll continue to work together.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i David Melding am ei gyfraniad, a hoffwn i ddiolch eto am yr holl waith y mae bob amser wedi'i wneud ar hyd y blynyddoedd ac y mae'n ei wneud nawr ar grŵp cynghori'r Gweinidog. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn am hynny. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn hollol gywir i ddweud bod y canlyniadau'n dda pan fyddant yn cael y gofal yn gywir, pan fyddwn wedi archwilio pob posibilrwydd o ran y plant yn aros gartref, ac yna rydym eisiau rhoi'r gofal gorau posibl iddyn nhw. Ac os byddwn ni'n cael hyn yn gywir, gwyddom y bydd y canlyniadau'n dda, a gwyddom fod angen inni gynnwys pethau ychwanegol i wneud yn siŵr bod hynny'n digwydd. Ond nid oes gennyf unrhyw amheuaeth o gwbl ei fod yn iawn ynglŷn â hynny. Mae'r ffaith bod y nifer wedi dyblu dros 20 mlynedd, rwy'n credu, unwaith eto, mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n peri pryder, oherwydd ni chredaf ein bod ni'n deall yn iawn pam ei fod wedi dyblu dros 20 mlynedd. Fel y dywedwyd yma heddiw, yn yr holl gyfraniadau da iawn sydd wedi bod, mae'n gwbl amhosibl dweud, 'Dyma'r rheswm pam mae hynny wedi digwydd.' Felly, credaf fod hynny'n rhywbeth y mae angen inni edrych arno'n ofalus iawn. Rwy'n credu ei fod ef yn iawn i ddweud bod angen mwy o gymorth arnom gyda sgiliau rhianta, a chredaf fod hynny'n rhywbeth yr ydym ni'n rhoi sylw manwl iddo wrth ystyried dileu'r amddiffyniad o gosb resymol. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth yr ydym ni'n ei ystyried ac yn rhoi sylw iddo ledled Cymru gyfan i weld lle mae bylchau o ran helpu gyda sgiliau rhianta. Ond credaf mai un o'r datblygiadau da, y gwn fod David Melding wedi bod ynghlwm wrtho, yw datblygu'r rhaglen fyfyrio. Deallaf fod prosiect myfyrio ym mhob rhanbarth yng Nghymru erbyn hyn, sydd ar gyfer gwraig y cafodd hi un plentyn wedi'i gymryd i ofal, ond bellach mae ganddi'r cyfle i gael help ac i fyfyrio, ac yn dilyn hynny, gymryd y plentyn i ofal. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ddatblygiad da iawn. Mae'r diffyg cysondeb mewn gwahanol awdurdodau lleol a pham mae gwahaniaethau rhyngddynt, unwaith eto, yn rhywbeth y dylid ei ystyried. Yn olaf, mae'r mater hwn am wleidyddion - ie, credaf ei fod yn gyfrifoldeb arnom ni fel gwleidyddion. Mae arweinwyr gwleidyddol mewn awdurdodau lleol yn cael eu hystyried yn rhieni corfforaethol, a gwn fod un o fy rhagflaenwyr yn y swydd hon, Gwenda Thomas, yn sicr wedi cael enw da i'w ddilyn - . Soniwyd wrthyf, pan es i un awdurdod lleol, fod Gwenda Thomas wedi dweud, pan aeth hi i mewn i'r awdurdod lleol hwnnw, ei bod yn disgwyl i'r swyddogion wybod enw pob plentyn a oedd yn derbyn gofal yn yr awdurdod hwnnw. Ac rwy'n credu bod gennym ni swyddogaeth fel gwleidyddion, a gwn fod David Melding wedi dweud yn aml efallai mai ni yw'r neiniau a theidiau, y neiniau a'r teidiau corfforaethol y plant yr ydym ni'n gofalu amdanynt. Ac rwy'n credu bod angen inni gael yr ymwybyddiaeth a'r cyfrifoldeb hwn fel gwleidyddion mai ein plant ni yw'r plant hyn yng Nghymru. A dyna pam y credaf ei bod mor ganmoladwy, mewn gwirionedd, fod y Prif Weinidog wedi rhoi hyn ar frig ei agenda, sy'n golygu bod y gwaith y mae David Melding yn ei wneud, ac mae'r gwaith yr wyf i'n ei wneud yn hanfodol bwysig. Felly, diolch am y sylwadau hynny, a byddwn yn parhau i weithio gyda'n gilydd.