English: I'm not going to get into the almost metaphysical debate that's gone on about the ethical nature of the Bill, but I will support what has been said by Llyr Gruffydd and David Rowlands about the fact that animals travelling with the circuses need that level of regulation. I agree with that and I think that is something that needs to be strengthened in the Bill. Llyr beat me to it. I was going to pay tribute to Linda Joyce-Jones as well. You said she's in the gallery. I can't see her, but she's a very welcome campaigner and we jointly hosted an event on 8 October calling for the ban of all wild animals, and all animals, in circuses and travelling shows earlier this year. So, this is something that is welcome and as other Members have said - I'm not going to rub it in, Minister - beyond timely. It's very, very welcome. When young people come to the Senedd from schools, one of the things that I try and impress upon them is that we are doing real things that will affect their lives. In Tir-y-Berth, Circus Mondao exhibited wild animals there and there was a big protest in my constituency, in Tir-y-Berth - they called it Bargoed, but it wasn't; it was further up the valley. There were children from that area who had gone to the circus. And the question I've asked time and time again of those children visiting is, 'Are you in favour of wild animals in circuses?' Following the discussion and the kind of discussion that we have here, the result is almost always unanimous against - even those children who'd been to the circus. They're their audience. They'd been to the circus. They said, 'We don't need the wild animals in the circus', and therefore this ban is timely. And you see Circus Mondao - they've attacked me on Facebook. I did a video following a First Minister's question that I asked. It had 14,000 views and got as far as Australia and they were attacking me for calling for this ban, so that tells me it's definitely worth doing, because, when you're attacked, you know that you're right. I think it's certainly - [ Interruption.] It's certainly - [ Interruption.] It's certainly - [ Interruption.] Well, it's my rule of thumb; it's always worked for me [ Laughter.] It's certainly the case - [ Interruption.] It's certainly the case that it cleans up legislation as well. Before I was elected as an Assembly Member here, Thomas Chipperfield had had their circus licence application withdrawn because DEFRA were unhappy with the conditions in which some of their animals were being held, but they were still able to set up a public show in Tir-y-Berth because the regulations didn't apply in Wales. So, this legislation needs to address that and I think the fact that it is coming across the UK as a ban will address that. Many of the people who were at the event I co-hosted with Llyr were calling for wider, stronger legislation, but we're also aware of the animal welfare licensing of animal exhibits regulations that the Minister has mentioned, and I would hope that there would be the opportunity to clean issues up through that as well, although I've also had representations from constituents who are concerned about the impact of that on dog shows. So, you know, you try and do one thing and something else goes wrong, as is politics. But I think, in short, I'm happy to welcome this legislation and, notwithstanding those reservations that have been expressed in this Chamber, pleased to see it proceed.
Welsh: Nid wyf am gymryd rhan yn y ddadl fetaffisegol bron a gafwyd am natur foesegol y Bil, ond byddaf yn cefnogi'r hyn sydd wedi cael ei ddweud gan Llyr Gruffydd a David Rowlands am y ffaith bod angen y lefel honno o reoleiddio ar anifeiliaid sy'n teithio gyda'r syrcasau. Rwy'n cytuno â hynny ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhywbeth y mae angen ei gryfhau yn y Bil. Achubodd Llyr y blaen arnaf. Roeddwn yn mynd i dalu teyrnged i Linda Joyce-Jones hefyd. Fe wnaethoch chi ddweud ei bod hi yn yr oriel. Ni allaf ei gweld hi, ond mae hi'n ymgyrchydd sydd i'w chroesawu'n fawr ac fe wnaethom ni gynnal digwyddiad ar y cyd ar 8 Hydref yn galw am wahardd pob anifail gwyllt, a phob anifail, mewn syrcasau a sioeau teithiol yn gynharach eleni. Felly, mae hyn yn rhywbeth sydd i'w groesawu, ac fel y mae Aelodau eraill wedi'i ddweud - nid wyf am roi halen ar y briw, Gweinidog - rhywbeth y mae'n hen bryd ei weld. Mae croeso mawr iawn iddo. Pan fydd pobl ifanc yn dod i'r Senedd o'r ysgol, un o'r pethau yr wyf yn ceisio ei bwysleisio iddynt yw ein bod yn gwneud pethau go iawn a fydd yn effeithio ar eu bywydau. Yng nghynllun Tir-y-berth, bu syrcas Mondao yn arddangos anifeiliaid gwyllt yno ac roedd protest fawr yn fy etholaeth i, yn Nhir-y-berth - roedden nhw'n ei alw'n Bargoed, ond nid dyna oedd e'; roedd yn bellach i fyny'r cwm. Roedd plant o'r ardal honno wedi mynd i'r syrcas. A'r cwestiwn yr wyf wedi ei ofyn dro ar ôl tro i'r plant hynny sy'n ymweld yw, 'a ydych chi o blaid anifeiliaid gwyllt mewn syrcasau?' Gan ddilyn y drafodaeth a'r math o drafodaeth a gawsom ni yn y fan yma, mae'r canlyniad bron bob amser yn unfryd yn erbyn - hyd yn oed y plant hynny a fu yn y syrcas. Y nhw yw eu cynulleidfa. Roedden nhw wedi bod yn y syrcas ac roedden nhw'n dweud nad oedd angen yr anifeiliaid gwyllt yn y syrcas, ac felly mae'r gwaharddiad hwn yn amserol. A dyna ichi syrcas Mondao - maen nhw wedi ymosod arna i ar Facebook. Fe wnes i fideo yn dilyn cwestiwn a ofynnais i'r Prif Weinidog. Roedd 14,000 wedi ei wylio gan gyrraedd cyn belled ag Awstralia ac roedden nhw'n ymosod arnaf am alw am y gwaharddiad hwn, felly mae hynny'n dweud wrthyf ei fod yn sicr yn werth ei wneud, oherwydd pan fydd rhywun yn ymosod arnoch chi, rydych chi'n gwybod eich bod chi'n iawn. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn sicr - [ torri ar draws.] Mae'n sicr - [ torri ar draws.] Mae'n sicr - [ torri ar draws.] Wel, dyma synnwyr y fawd i mi; mae bob amser yn gweithio i mi [ chwerthin.] Mae'n sicr yn wir - [ torri ar draws.] Mae'n sicr yn wir ei fod yn symleiddio deddfwriaeth hefyd. Cyn i mi gael fy ethol yn Aelod Cynulliad yn y fan yma, tynnwyd cais am drwydded syrcas gan Thomas Chipperfield oherwydd nad oedd DEFRA yn hapus ag amodau byw rhai o'u hanifeiliaid, ond roeddent yn dal yn cael cynnal sioe gyhoeddus yng nghynllun Tir-y-berth am nad oedd y rheoliadau'n berthnasol yng Nghymru. Felly, mae angen i'r ddeddfwriaeth hon fynd i'r afael â hynny ac rwy'n credu y bydd y ffaith y bydd y gwaharddiad yn weithredol ledled y DU yn mynd i'r afael â hynny. Roedd llawer o'r bobl a oedd yn y digwyddiad yr oeddwn yn ei gyd-lywyddu â Llyr yn galw am ddeddfwriaeth ehangach, gryfach, ond rydym ni hefyd yn ymwybodol o'r rheoliadau lles anifeiliaid (trwyddedu arddangosfeydd anifeiliaid) y mae'r Gweinidog wedi'u crybwyll, a byddwn yn gobeithio y byddai cyfle i ymdrin â materion drwy'r rheini hefyd, er fy mod i wedi cael sylwadau gan etholwyr sy'n pryderu am effaith hynny ar sioeau cŵn. Felly, wyddoch chi, rydych chi'n ceisio gwneud un peth ac mae rhywbeth arall yn mynd o'i le, felly mae gwleidyddiaeth. Ond rwy'n credu, yn fyr, fy mod yn fodlon croesawu'r ddeddfwriaeth hon ac, er gwaethaf yr amheuon hynny sydd wedi cael eu mynegi yn y Siambr hon, rwy'n falch o'i gweld yn mynd yn ei blaen.