English: I do think, Llywydd, that the Member doesn't give proper credit to the advances that were made in the CAMHS service in the two years prior to the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, because the figures did improve, and they improved significantly across Wales. The service was on a path of real improvement. I've answered many questions on the floor of this Senedd, from the time I was health Minister, and it's always been my view that what you need for young people is a range of services so that not everybody ends up being referred to the CAMHS service as the first step in getting help with a mental health issue. Part of the problem with the CAMHS service has been that a very large number of people who are referred to it turn out not to be suitable candidates for that service. All of those young people have got to be assessed, all of those young people then get into the queue in front of other people for whom that service genuinely is the response that is necessary. What we have to do is to draw the people who are referred to CAMHS when they should and could be very properly provided for by a school counselling service, or sometimes even by people who are equipped with first aid mental health knowledge and understanding in universal services like the youth service, to be able to help those young people who need help of that sort - the help, as I said, Llywydd, that when you talk to young people themselves, that is the help that they most often raise with you: things that are easily available, close to hand, part of the normal run of things with which they are engaged. And then the people who need a CAMHS service will be able to get to that service more quickly. The service was well on that journey. It is inevitably disrupted by coronavirus. And, as I said, the service is working very hard to try and find creative ways in which it can go on providing a timely service for those young people who need it, despite the limitations on the extent to which they are able to do that in more conventional face-to-face ways.
Welsh: Rwyf i yn credu, Llywydd, nad yw'r Aelod yn rhoi clod priodol i'r datblygiadau a wnaed yn y gwasanaeth CAMHS yn y ddwy flynedd cyn dechrau'r pandemig coronafeirws, oherwydd fe wnaeth y ffigurau wella, ac fe wnaethon nhw wella'n sylweddol ledled Cymru. Roedd y gwasanaeth ar lwybr o welliant gwirioneddol. Rwyf i wedi ateb llawer o gwestiynau ar lawr y Senedd hon, o'r adeg pan oeddwn i'n Weinidog iechyd, a fy marn i erioed yw mai'r hyn sydd ei angen arnoch ar gyfer pobl ifanc yw amrywiaeth o wasanaethau fel nad yw pawb yn cael eu cyfeirio i'r gwasanaeth CAMHS fel y cam cyntaf tuag at gael cymorth gyda phroblem iechyd meddwl. Rhan o'r broblem gyda'r gwasanaeth CAMHS yw bod llawer iawn o bobl sy'n cael eu cyfeirio i'r gwasanaeth yn ymgeiswyr anaddas ar gyfer y gwasanaeth hwnnw yn y pen draw. Mae'n rhaid asesu'r holl bobl ifanc hynny, yna mae'r holl bobl ifanc hynny yn mynd i mewn i'r ciw o flaen pobl eraill y mae'r gwasanaeth hwnnw yn wirioneddol yr ymateb angenrheidiol iddyn nhw. Yr hyn y mae'n rhaid i ni ei wneud yw tynnu'r bobl sy'n cael eu hatgyfeirio i CAMHS pan ddylen nhw ac y gallen nhw gael darpariaeth briodol iawn gan wasanaeth cwnsela mewn ysgolion, neu weithiau hyd yn oed gan bobl sydd â gwybodaeth a dealltwriaeth o gymorth cyntaf iechyd meddwl mewn gwasanaethau cyffredinol fel y gwasanaeth ieuenctid, i allu helpu'r bobl ifanc hynny y mae angen cymorth o'r math hwnnw arnynt - y cymorth, fel y dywedais, Llywydd, pan eich bod chi'n siarad â phobl ifanc eu hunain, dyna'r cymorth y maen nhw'n ei godi gyda chi gan amlaf: pethau sydd ar gael yn rhwydd, wrth law, yn rhan o drefn arferol pethau y maen nhw'n ymwneud â nhw. Ac yna bydd y bobl y mae angen gwasanaeth CAMHS arnyn nhw yn gallu cyrraedd y gwasanaeth hwnnw yn gyflymach. Roedd y gwasanaeth ymhell ar y daith honno. Mae'n anochel bod coronafeirws yn tarfu arno. Ac, fel y dywedais i, mae'r gwasanaeth yn gweithio'n galed iawn i geisio dod o hyd i ffyrdd creadigol o allu parhau i ddarparu gwasanaeth amserol i'r bobl ifanc hynny sydd ei angen, er gwaethaf y cyfyngiadau ar y graddau y gallan nhw wneud hynny mewn ffyrdd wyneb yn wyneb mwy confensiynol.