English: Thank you. The terms of reference of the commission were well set out and we've been debating them on many occasions within this Chamber. I met recently with the commission, as the First Minister has, and I think they've explained, now, the process of engagement that they want to do and some of the directions of the issues they want to look at. They may want to look at these issues - financial issues, constitutional issues, governance issues and so on. It really is for them to determine the areas that they think are, actually, important, where the evidence they conclude and the representations they get within the framework, where that leads them. I'd be very surprised if all of those issues are not ones that are being looked at, and looked at in some detail and being engaged with. With the sort of engagement process they're having, it's inevitable that that will be the case. I think it would be a big mistake to, actually, direct and say, 'This is what you've got to do, this is how you've got to do it', et cetera. I think you have to have confidence from the wide range of people from across political parties, the different persuasions and skills of the various commissioners and experts who are there that that is what they will do. The points you raise in terms of welfare, policing, the cost-of-living crisis, justice and so on are absolutely right. I attended, with the Minister for Social Justice, Eastwood Park women's prison in Bristol. The governor there told us that every single woman there in that prison was a victim, one way or another, of abuse, of poverty, of exploitation. When we attended, just the other day, Berwyn prison up in north Wales, 10 per cent of the prisoners are former care leavers. We met with the care leavers, many of whom have themselves become mentors to care leavers who are coming into the prison system. In discussions that we've had with Cardiff University over the recent research and publications that they've had, the suggestion is that Wales has the highest level of imprisonment of its citizens in the whole of Europe, and something like two thirds or more of those who are on probation or in prison come from black or ethnic minority backgrounds. All of those things tell you that there are really serious issues in terms of our justice system. Looking at those, and how it can be delivered better, of course, is already part of our policy. Now, our views on that have been fed into the commission in evidence sessions, as I'm sure have the views of every other individual who's interested in the commission. That's why I keep saying, whether you agree or don't agree with it - whether you think it should be going ahead or not - it is there and it is really important that you engage with it, and that we have the most constructive engagement and consideration of all of those issues that are so important to the future of Wales and the people of Wales. It's a way of actually exploring the thinking and the views of the people of Wales. The point, Jenny, that you made and that you've made as well is absolutely right: the quality, to some extent, is the scale and the quality of the evidence, but also the quality of the engagement that takes place. That's why it is important, not whether we're going to agree with or disagree with the outcome, and not whether we think our predetermined views are always going to be the views we're going to have and we're not going to consider anything else so inflexibly, et cetera - I'm sure that that isn't the case. And that's why I think what is happening is timely, but I think it is also fundamentally important. Aneurin Bevan said that the problem, sometimes, is that people know the price of everything but the value of nothing, and I think our democracy has a very high value, and that's the direction we're taking. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch. Roedd cylch gorchwyl y comisiwn yn drefnus ac rydym wedi bod yn eu trafod droeon o fewn y Siambr hon. Cwrddais â'r comisiwn yn ddiweddar, fel y mae'r Prif Weinidog wedi gwneud, ac rwy'n credu ei fod wedi egluro, nawr, y broses o ymgysylltu y mae am ei wneud a rhai o gyfarwyddiadau'r materion y mae am edrych arnynt. Efallai y bydd yn edrych ar y materion hyn - materion ariannol, materion cyfansoddiadol, materion llywodraethu ac yn y blaen. Cyfrifoldeb y comisiwn, mewn gwirionedd, yw pennu'r meysydd y mae'n credu sy'n bwysig, lle mae'r dystiolaeth y mae'n dod i'r casgliad a'r sylwadau mae'n eu cael o fewn y fframwaith, lle mae hynny'n ei arwain. Byddwn i'n synnu'n fawr os nad yw'r holl faterion hynny'n rhai sy'n cael eu hystyried, ac yn edrych ar ryw fanylder ac yn cael sylw. Gyda'r math o broses ymgysylltu a geir, mae'n anochel y bydd hynny'n wir. Mewn gwirionedd, rwy'n credu y byddai'n gamgymeriad mawr i gyfeirio a dweud, 'Dyma sy'n rhaid i chi ei wneud, dyma sut mae'n rhaid i chi ei wneud', ac ati. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i chi gael hyder o'r ystod eang o bobl o bob rhan o bleidiau gwleidyddol, gwahanol berswâd a sgiliau'r gwahanol gomisiynwyr ac arbenigwyr sydd yno mai dyna fyddan nhw'n ei wneud. Mae'r pwyntiau rydych chi'n eu codi o ran lles, plismona, yr argyfwng costau byw, cyfiawnder ac yn y blaen yn gwbl gywir. Es i i Garchar menywod Eastwood Park ym Mryste gyda'r Gweinidog Cyfiawnder Cymdeithasol. Dywedodd y llywodraethwr yno wrthym fod pob un fenyw yno yn y carchar hwnnw wedi dioddef cam-drin, tlodi, camfanteisio mewn rhyw ffordd neu'i gilydd. Pan aethon ni i garchar Berwyn i fyny yn y gogledd, dim ond y diwrnod o'r blaen, mae 10 y cant o'r carcharorion yn gyn-ymadawyr gofal. Cawsom gyfarfod â'r ymadawyr gofal, y mae llawer ohonynt eu hunain wedi dod yn fentoriaid i ymadawyr gofal sy'n dod i mewn i'r system garchardai. Yn ystod trafodaethau rydym wedi'u cael gyda Phrifysgol Caerdydd ynghylch yr ymchwil a chyhoeddiadau diweddar y maent wedi'u cael, yr awgrym yw mai Cymru sy'n carcharu ei dinasyddion fwyaf ledled Ewrop, ac mae rhywbeth fel dwy ran o dair neu fwy o mae'r rhai sydd ar brawf neu yn y carchar yn dod o gefndiroedd du neu leiafrifoedd ethnig. Mae'r holl bethau hynny'n dweud wrthych fod yna broblemau difrifol iawn o ran ein system gyfiawnder. Mae edrych ar y rheini, a sut y gellir ei gyflwyno'n well, wrth gwrs, eisoes yn rhan o'n polisi. Nawr, mae ein barn ar hynny wedi ei chyfrannu i'r comisiwn mewn sesiynau tystiolaeth, fel yr wyf yn siŵr y mae barn farn pob unigolyn arall sydd â diddordeb yn y comisiwn. Dyna pam rwy'n parhau i ddweud, p'un a ydych yn cytuno ag ef ai peidio - p'un a ydych yn meddwl y dylai fod yn mynd yn ei flaen ai peidio - mae yno ac mae'n bwysig iawn eich bod yn ymgysylltu ag ef, a'n bod ni'n ystyried ac yn ymgysylltu â'r holl faterion hynny sydd mor bwysig i ddyfodol Cymru a phobl Cymru yn y ffordd fwyaf adeiladol. Mewn gwirionedd, mae'n ffordd o ymchwilio i feddylfryd a barn pobl Cymru. Mae'r pwynt y gwnaethoch chi, Jenny, hefyd yn hollol gywir: yr ansawdd, i ryw raddau, yw graddfa ac ansawdd y dystiolaeth, ond hefyd ansawdd yr ymgysylltu sy'n digwydd. Dyna pam mae'n bwysig, nid a ydym am gytuno neu anghytuno â'r canlyniad, ac nid ydym yn meddwl mai ein safbwyntiau rhagderfynedig fydd y farn rydym am ei chael bob amser a dydyn ni ddim yn mynd i ystyried unrhyw beth arall mor anhyblyg, ac ati - rwy'n siŵr nad yw hynny'n wir. A dyna pam rwy'n credu bod yr hyn sy'n digwydd yn amserol, ond rwy'n credu ei fod hefyd yn sylfaenol bwysig. Dywedodd Aneurin Bevan mai'r broblem, weithiau, yw bod pobl yn gwybod pris popeth ond gwerth dim, ac rwy'n meddwl bod gwerth ein democratiaeth yn uchel iawn, a dyna'r cyfeiriad rydym yn ei gymryd. Diolch.