English: I agree with the Minister that we can be very proud of our success in recycling; before devolution, 5 per cent of waste was being recycled, now it's 60 per cent. But a lot of that has been driven by the taxation on waste, and that's gone up. Local authorities have worked harder and harder in order to recycle. Now we need to look at taxation as a driver for changing people's behaviour. I think everybody welcomes the ban on microbeads. In fact, I think that if we'd had this discussion 10 years ago, most of us wouldn't have known what a microbead was. The 5p charge for plastic carrier bags has had a visible effect on the environment. You only have to look back to before it existed, and everywhere you went where there was grass, there'd be carrier bags; now there aren't. If you see a carrier bag on a sports field, it's unusual; if you see one in a grassed area, it's unusual. It used to be a very common sight. Recycling and reusing products and materials for as long as possible in a circular economy provides environmental benefits and economic benefits. Can I just add my voice to that of Simon Thomas? If you want to have things reused, a deposit scheme is the way to do it. It doesn't even have to be very much. If somebody came and asked me for 5p now, I'd give it to them, but paying 5p for a plastic bag, I feel I don't want to, and I'll do anything possible to try and avoid doing so. An awful lot of people follow that - . It's the fact you're paying for something and you don't really need it. I think exactly the same can be true with bottles. Some of us are old enough to remember taking Corona bottles back and getting the 5p. That worked incredibly well. Unfortunately, we've gone to so much plastic and so little glass. Of course, recycling and reusing are second and third best, because the best is not to use, or if we have to use it, then use less. That's got to be our priority, and we need to give more thought to that. And it's not just plastic. We seem to have gone to plastic now as something that we talk about, but we've also got glass, tin-plated steel and aluminium - they could all be made thinner, and thus reduce the weight of recycling. Something we've got to be looking for is trying to reduce the weight of recycling by trying to reduce the amount of metal, glass and others in the materials being created. So, what is the Government doing to promote less material in packaging? You probably want a tin of baked beans - you wouldn't want to get them loose; carrying them home might be a bit difficult and embarrassing - but do you really need such a thick tin? It's in the interests of the manufacturer, the consumer and the environment to get thinner tins. So, what is being done to try and reduce those sizes?
Welsh: Rwy'n cytuno gyda'r Gweinidog y gallwn fod yn falch iawn o'n llwyddiant wrth ailgylchu; cyn datganoli, roedd 5 y cant o wastraff yn cael ei ailgylchu, bellach mae'n 60 y cant. Ond mae llawer o hynny wedi'i ysgogi gan y trethi ar wastraff, ac mae hynny wedi cynyddu. Mae awdurdodau lleol wedi gweithio'n galetach ac yn galetach er mwyn ailgylchu. Bellach mae angen inni edrych ar drethiant fel sbardun ar gyfer newid ymddygiad pobl. Credaf y bydd pawb yn croesawu gwaharddiad ar ficrobelenni. Mewn gwirionedd, credaf pe baem wedi cael y drafodaeth hon 10 mlynedd yn ôl, ni fyddai'r rhan fwyaf ohonom yn gwybod beth oedd microbelen. Mae codi 5c am fagiau plastig wedi cael effaith weladwy ar yr amgylchedd. Nid oes ond rhaid edrych yn ôl i'r cyfnod cyn fod hynny'n bodoli, a ble bynnag yr oeddech yn mynd lle'r oedd glaswellt, byddai bagiau siopa; bellach does dim. Os ydych yn gweld bag siopa ar gae chwaraeon, mae'n anarferol; os ydych yn gweld un mewn man glaswelltog, mae'n anarferol. Arferai fod yn olygfa gyffredin iawn. Mae ailgylchu ac ailddefnyddio cynhyrchion a deunyddiau am gyhyd ag y bo modd mewn economi gylchol yn darparu manteision amgylcheddol a manteision economaidd. A gaf i ategu'r hyn a ddywedodd Simon Thomas? Os ydych chi eisiau i bethau gael eu hailddefnyddio, cynllun blaendal yw'r ffordd i wneud hynny. Nid yw hyd yn oed yn gorfod bod yn fawr iawn. Pe byddai rhywun yn dod a gofyn i mi am 5c yn awr, byddwn yn ei roi iddynt, ond talu 5c am fag plastig, teimlaf nad wyf eisiau, a byddwn yn gwneud unrhyw beth posib i geisio osgoi gwneud hynny. Mae llawer iawn o bobl yn gwneud hynny - . Y ffaith yw eich bod yn talu am rywbeth ac mewn gwirionedd nid oes ei angen arnoch. Credaf y gallai yn union yr un peth fod yn wir gyda photeli. Mae rhai ohonom yn ddigon hen i gofio mynd â photeli Corona yn ôl a chael 5c. Gweithiodd hynny yn anhygoel o dda. Yn anffodus, rydym ni'n defnyddio cymaint o blastig bellach a chyn lleied o wydr. Wrth gwrs, ailgylchu ac ailddefnyddio yw'r ail a'r trydydd orau, oherwydd y gorau yw peidio â defnyddio, neu os oes raid i ni ddefnyddio, yna defnyddio llai. Rhaid i hynny fod yn flaenoriaeth inni, ac mae angen inni roi mwy o ystyriaeth i hynny. Ac mae hyn ynglŷn â mwy na phlastig yn unig. Mae'n ymddangos ein bod yn canolbwyntio ar blastig bellach fel rhywbeth yr ydym yn sôn amdano, ond mae gennym ni wydr hefyd, dur wedi'i dunplatio ac alwminiwm - gellid eu gwneud i gyd yn deneuach byth, a thrwy hynny leihau pwysau ailgylchu. Rhywbeth y mae'n rhaid i ni anelu ato yw ceisio lleihau pwysau ailgylchu drwy geisio lleihau'r metel, gwydr a chynnyrch eraill yn y deunyddiau sy'n cael eu creu. Felly, beth mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei wneud i hybu llai o ddeunydd pacio? Mae'n debyg eich bod eisiau tun o ffa pob - ni fyddech yn dymuno eu cael yn rhydd; gallai eu cario adref fod yn anodd ac yn embaras braidd - ond a ydych chi mewn gwirionedd angen tun mor drwchus ? Mae er budd y gwneuthurwr, y defnyddwyr a'r amgylchedd i gael tuniau teneuach. Felly, beth sy'n cael ei wneud i geisio lleihau'r meintiau hynny?