English: Thank you for the launch of amendment 4, and I have to say to the Plaid Cymru spokesman that your argument has actually persuaded us to shift our position on that and to support it. Initially, we were not going to because we believe that our amendment 1 is, in fact, broad enough to ensure that we encapsulate and protect public houses throughout the land. However, I think you make a very good argument that they have a specific place in our communities, a place in our society, and that, therefore, we should look to consider affording them a degree of extra protection. That goes on to our amendment 1, Presiding Officer, which I would like to move, because this substantive amendment inserts a new section after section 1 of the Bill to provide for regulations made under section 1 to be made under a superaffirmative procedure, as recommended by the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. The amendment sets out the processes that must be followed by the Welsh Government in regard to a consultation on where the minimum unit price will be set. Despite numerous requests, the Welsh Government have rejected all notions of placing the minimum unit price on the face of the Bill, and it being subject to the superaffirmative procedure. However, the level of the minimum unit price is yet to be confirmed fully by the Welsh Government and recommendation 4 of the Stage 1 report, which required the Welsh Government to issue a statement of intent that confirms its current preferred minimum unit price and the reasons for it, has not gone forward. In the response to the committee's Stage 1 report, the Welsh Government stated that proposals about the level at which the minimum unit price should be specified 'will be developed using the updated evidence base and a consideration of other, relevant factors. These factors include alcohol sales data and data about alcohol-related harm in Wales. The Welsh Ministers will look at the anticipated outcomes of different levels of MUP and make a decision which strikes a reasonable balance between the estimated important public health benefits of this measure and intervention in the market.' I absolutely accept that commentary that the Welsh Government's Cabinet Secretary put forward during our various stages of amendment, but as Rhun ap Iorwerth said earlier, this is a bit of legislation that does cause concern with the general public. It does make people wonder what we're trying to do, what it will end up being and I think it is only right that we, as a National Assembly, should be able to say, 'Yes, we accept your arguments to have it at 50p', which is what everyone talks about, but it may not be 50p - it may be £1, it may be £1.50, it may be 30p. And I think that we have a responsibility to our electorate to be able to have that final say going forward. Therefore, this amendment seeks to solidify this commitment and ensure that due processes are followed when consulting on the proposed level of the minimum unit price. Amendment 3 is purely a consequential amendment.
Welsh: Diolch i chi am gyflwyno gwelliant 4, ac mae'n rhaid imi ddweud wrth lefarydd Plaid Cymru bod eich dadl wedi ein perswadio ni mewn gwirionedd i newid ein safbwynt ynglŷn â hynny ac i'w gefnogi. I ddechrau, nid oeddem ni am wneud hynny oherwydd rydym ni'n credu bod gwelliant 1 o'n heiddo, mewn gwirionedd, yn ddigon eang i sicrhau ein bod yn ymgorffori ac yn amddiffyn tafarndai drwy'r wlad. Fodd bynnag, rwy'n credu eich bod yn cyflwyno dadl dda iawn bod ganddyn nhw le penodol yn ein cymunedau, lle yn ein cymdeithas, ac y dylem ni, felly, feddwl ystyried rhoi rhywfaint o amddiffyniad ychwanegol iddynt. Mae hynny'n arwain at welliant 1 o'n heiddo, Llywydd, yr hoffwn i ei gyflwyno, oherwydd mae'r gwelliant sylweddol hwn yn mewnosod adran newydd ar ôl adran 1 o'r Bil i ddarparu ar gyfer rheoliadau a wneir o dan adran 1 i'w gwneud o dan weithdrefn uwchgadarnhaol, fel yr argymhellwyd gan y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon. Mae'r gwelliant yn nodi'r prosesau y mae'n rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru eu dilyn o ran ymgynghori ynglŷn â beth ddylai fod yr isafbris uned. Er gofyn a gofyn, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi gwrthod pob awgrym o osod yr isafbris uned ar wyneb y Bil, ac i hynny fod yn ddarostyngedig i weithdrefn uwchgadarnhaol. Fodd bynnag, mae lefel yr isafbris uned eto i'w chadarnhau yn llawn gan Lywodraeth Cymru, ac ni aethpwyd ymlaen ag argymhelliad 4 o adroddiad Cyfnod 1, a oedd yn rhoi yn gofyn i Lywodraeth Cymru gyhoeddi datganiad o fwriad sy'n cadarnhau beth yw'r isafbris uned y mae hi'n ei ffafrio ar hyn o bryd, a'r rhesymau dros hynny. Wrth ymateb i adroddiad Cyfnod 1 y pwyllgor, dywedodd Llywodraeth Cymru y caiff cynigion eu datblygu ynghylch faint fydd yr isafbris uned gan ddefnyddio'r dystiolaeth ddiweddaraf ac ystyried ffactorau perthnasol eraill. Mae'r ffactorau hyn yn cynnwys data ynglŷn â gwerthu alcohol a data ynghylch niwed sy'n gysylltiedig ag alcohol yng Nghymru. Bydd Gweinidogion Cymru yn edrych ar y deilliannau tybiedig o ran y gwahanol isafbrisiau uned ac yn gwneud penderfyniad ble y mae cydbwysedd rhesymol rhwng y manteision pwysig tybiedig a ddaw i iechyd y cyhoedd yn sgil y mesur hwn ac ymyrraeth yn y farchnad. Rwy'n derbyn yn llwyr y sylwadau a gyflwynodd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet Llywodraeth Cymru yn ystod cyfnodau amrywiol ein gwelliant, ond fel y dywedodd Rhun ap Iorwerth yn gynharach, mae hon yn ddarn o ddeddfwriaeth sy'n peri pryder i'r cyhoedd. Mae'n gwneud i bobl feddwl tybed beth ydym ni'n ceisio ei wneud, sut beth fydd y ddeddfwriaeth yn y pen draw ac rwy'n credu ei bod hi ond yn briodol y dylem ni, y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol, allu dweud, 'Ydym, rydym ni'n derbyn eich dadleuon i'w osod yn 50 ceiniog', sef yr hyn y mae pawb yn sôn amdano, ond efallai nad 50 ceiniog fydd yr isafbris - efallai y bydd yn £1, efallai y bydd yn £1.50, efallai y bydd yn 30 ceiniog. Ac rwy'n credu bod gennym ni gyfrifoldeb i'n hetholwyr i allu cael y gair olaf hwnnw wrth fynd ymlaen. Felly, mae'r gwelliant hwn yn ceisio gwireddu'r ymrwymiad hwn a sicrhau y caiff prosesau priodol eu dilyn wrth ymgynghori ynglŷn â beth yw'r isafbris uned gofynnol sy'n cael ei gynnig. Nid yw gwelliant 3 yn ddim ond gwelliant o ganlyniad i hynny.