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English: Thank you very much to Janet Finch-Saunders for presenting this debate. I'm pleased that we are keeping hydrogen on the agenda. It's almost three years, I think, since I led a debate here on hydrogen - I think it was one of the first here in the Senedd; I've presented another one since then. And since then, we've seen the beginnings of a hydrogen industry in Wales. I was very pleased to see the hub in Holyhead being developed. But what's crucially important as we move forward is to identify those sectors where we can make the most use of hydrogen. And I agree entirely that aiming towards using hydrogen on ferries that cross the Irish sea is something that we should be looking at. There is work being done in the fjords in Norway already, where carbon-zero shipping has to be used. Well, let's tie the developments in Holyhead with that ambition for the use of hydrogen on our seas and to produce more green hydrogen in Anglesey, which can possibly be pumped through the old oil pipeline to the industrial areas of north-west England. There are huge opportunities for us.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i Janet Finch-Saunders am gyflwyno'r ddadl yma. Dwi'n falch ein bod ni'n cadw hydrogen ar yr agenda. Mae yna bron i dair blynedd, dwi'n meddwl, ers i fi arwain dadl yn y fan hyn ar hydrogen - un o'r cyntaf, dwi'n meddwl, yma yn y Senedd; dwi wedi arwain un arall ers hynny. Ac ers hynny, rydyn ni wedi gweld dechrau diwydiant hydrogen yng Nghymru. Rôn i'n falch iawn o weld yr hyb yng Nghaergybi yn cael ei ddatblygu. Ond beth sy'n allweddol, dwi'n meddwl, wrth symud ymlaen, ydy adnabod y sectorau hynny lle rydyn ni'n mynd i allu gwneud y defnydd mwyaf o hydrogen. A dwi'n cytuno'n llwyr fod anelu at ddefnyddio hydrogen ar y llongau sy'n croesi môr Iwerddon yn rhywbeth y dylem ni fod yn edrych tuag ato fo. Yn barod, mae yna waith yn cael ei wneud yn y ffiords yn Norwy, lle mae'n rhaid cael y llongau di-garbon ac ati. Wel, gadewch i ni glymu'r datblygiadau yng Nghaergybi rŵan efo'r uchelgais yna ar gyfer defnydd o hydrogen ar y môr ac i gynhyrchu mwy o hydrogen gwyrdd ym Môn, a all gael ei bwmpio o bosib drwy'r hen beipen olew draw i ardaloedd diwydiannol gogledd-orllewin Lloegr. Mae yna gyfleon lu o'n blaenau ni.
English: Thank you, Janet Finch-Saunders, also for giving me a minute of your time on this really important debate. And I certainly want to echo the comments of colleagues in terms of support for this really important potential and future industry. And of course, within all this, north Wales, in particular north-east Wales, has a great opportunity to see this technology flourish. And at this point, I'd like to put on record the good work highlighted and the good work being carried out by HyNet in north-east Wales, linking to north-west England. HyNet, as I'm sure many of us know, is the UK's leading industrial decarbonisation project, and, from the mid 2020s, in the next few years, it will be producing, storing and distributing low-carbon hydrogen to replace those fossil fuels in such an industrial part of the country. It will also be capturing and locking up carbon dioxide emissions from industry as well. So it's a very, very important piece of work taking place - billions of pounds have been invested into it as well. But, as I mentioned, this really does highlight to me the importance of working collaboratively across the border, and I'd ask the Minister to perhaps comment on that and encourage that continued cross-border collaboration with that HyNet project taking place in north-east Wales into the north-west of England. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Welsh: Diolch, Janet Finch-Saunders, am roi munud o'ch amser i minnau hefyd yn y ddadl hynod bwysig hon. Ac yn sicr rwyf am adleisio sylwadau cyd-Aelodau ynghylch cefnogaeth i'r potensial pwysig a'r diwydiant pwysig hwn ar gyfer y dyfodol. Ac wrth gwrs, yn hyn i gyd, mae gan ogledd Cymru, yn enwedig y gogledd-ddwyrain, gyfle gwych i weld y dechnoleg hon yn ffynnu. Ac ar y pwynt hwn, hoffwn gofnodi'r gwaith da a welwyd a'r gwaith da sy'n cael ei wneud gan HyNet yng ngogledd-ddwyrain Cymru, yn cysylltu â gogledd-orllewin Lloegr. HyNet, fel y bydd llawer ohonom yn gwybod rwy'n siŵr, yw prosiect datgarboneiddio diwydiannol mwyaf blaenllaw'r DU, ac o ganol y 2020au, yn y blynyddoedd nesaf, bydd yn cynhyrchu, yn storio ac yn dosbarthu hydrogen carbon isel i gymryd lle tanwyddau ffosil mewn rhan mor ddiwydiannol o'r wlad. Bydd hefyd yn dal ac yn cloi allyriadau carbon deuocsid o ddiwydiant hefyd. Felly mae'n waith pwysig iawn - mae biliynau o bunnoedd wedi cael eu buddsoddi ynddo yn ogystal. Ond fel y soniais, i mi mae'n tynnu sylw go iawn at bwysigrwydd gweithio ar y cyd ar draws y ffin, a hoffwn ofyn i'r Gweinidog roi sylwadau ar hynny efallai ac annog parhad cydweithio ar draws y ffin gyda'r prosiect HyNet sy'n digwydd yng ngogledd-ddwyrain Cymru i mewn i ogledd-orllewin Lloegr. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Thank you, Minister, and thank you to all speakers this afternoon. That brings today's proceedings to a close.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Gweinidog, a diolch i'r holl siaradwyr heddiw. A daw hynny â thrafodion heddiw i ben.
English: Good morning and a very warm welcome to the Finance Committee this morning. We're continuing with our scrutiny of the Welsh Government draft budget. We have been looking at sessions, and we have the Minister joining us later this afternoon. We are expecting Rhianon Passmore - she'll be joining shortly. Peter Fox has sent his apologies that he can't be here at the beginning of the session, but a very warm welcome to Russell George, who's joining us. Do Members have any interests to declare before we start? No. Excellent.
Welsh: Bore da a chroeso cynnes i'r Pwyllgor Cyllid y bore yma. Rydyn ni'n parhau efo'n sgrwtini ni o'r gyllideb ddrafft. Rydyn ni wedi bod yn edrych ar sesiynau, ac mae gyda ni'r Gweinidog yn dod i mewn yn hwyrach y prynhawn yma. Rydyn ni'n disgwyl Rhianon Passmore - bydd hi yma mewn ychydig. Mae Peter Fox wedi rhoi ymddiheuriadau ei fod o'n methu bod yma ar ddechrau'r sesiwn, ond croeso cynnes i Russell George, sy'n ymuno efo ni. Oes gan unrhyw un unrhyw fuddiannau i'w nodi cyn ein bod ni'n cychwyn? Na. Gwych.
English: Welcome. Thank you. Dave.
Welsh: Croeso. Diolch yn fawr. Dave.
English: Thank you very much, and a very warm welcome to you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Croeso cynnes.
English: Thank you very much for your time this morning.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich amser y bore yma.
English: Good morning. We're back for our second scrutiny session this morning. We are joined by witnesses from the Welsh Local Government Association. I'd like you just to introduce yourselves and who you represent. If we start in the room. Jon.
Welsh: Bore da. Rydyn ni nôl ar gyfer ein hail sesiwn sgrwtini y bore yma. Mae gennym ni dystion yma o Gymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru. Bydden i'n hoffi i chi jest esbonio pwy ydych chi a phwy ydych chi'n ei gynrychioli. Pe buasem ni'n cychwyn yn yr ystafell.
English: You're welcome to respond in English or Welsh. We'll move on straight away to the questions.
Welsh: Mae croeso i unrhyw un ymateb yn Gymraeg neu'n Saesneg. Fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen yn syth at y cwestiynau.
English: I think we also need to be aware that we're seeing additional pressures on services. So, inflation, as has already been noted, is a pressure, but we're also seeing an increase in the complexity of needs, which is creating pressures. COVID and the impact of COVID is still around us, and the cost-of-living crisis is also creating very fragile circumstances that mean that we are the ones who have to respond to that. It's very difficult for us to anticipate what the impact of that will be on our budgets, and we are aware of the crises that exist in social services at the moment. That all lands on our doorsteps, therefore. For us as leaders - and similarly to Lis, I've just come from our scrutiny committee, where our budget is being discussed - and we clearly - . There are unknowns in terms of the pressures on those services, and we do have to invest in social services. I don't think any leader could say today whether it's enough money that we're investing there, because of these unexpected challenges that we're facing.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl bod angen i ni hefyd fod yn ymwybodol ein bod ni'n gweld pwysau ychwanegol ar wasanaethau. Felly, mae chwyddiant, yn amlwg, fel sydd wedi'i nodi yn barod, ond rydyn ni hefyd yn gweld cynnydd mewn cymhlethdod anghenion, sydd yn creu pwysau. Mae COVID ac effaith COVID yn dal o'n cwmpas ni, ac mae'r argyfwng costau byw yn creu amgylchiadau bregus iawn sydd yn golygu mai ni ydy'r rhai sydd yn gwasanaethu hynny. Mae'n anodd iawn i ni ragweld beth fydd effaith hynny ar ein cyllidebau ni, ac rydyn ni'n ymwybodol o'r argyfyngau sydd yn bodoli yn y gwasanaethau cymdeithasol ar hyn o bryd. Mae hwnnw i gyd yn landio ar ein drws ni, felly. I ni fel arweinyddion - ac yn debyg i Lis, dwi newydd ddod o'n pwyllgor craffu ni rŵan, lle mae ein cyllideb ni yn cael trafodaeth yn fanno - mae'n rhaid i ni hefyd, yn amlwg, fod yn - . Mae unknowns o fewn y pwysau ar y gwasanaethau yna, ac rydyn ni'n gorfod buddsoddi yn y gwasanaethau cymdeithasol. Dwi ddim yn meddwl y gall yr un arweinydd ddweud heddiw a ydy o'n ddigon o bres, yr hyn rydym ni'n rhoi i mewn iddo fo, achos yr heriau annisgwyl yma rydyn ni'n eu hwynebu.
English: So, therefore, you are looking beyond this financial year; you are coming together to look at budgets for the future, and looking more at what's going to arise in 2024-25, and beyond, to do that strategic work, to see, 'Well, where are we going with this'. And is that collaborative working possibly better because of technology, as we can meet today - you're up in north Wales, and we're down in Cardiff?
Welsh: Ac rydych chi felly'n edrych y tu hwnt i'r flwyddyn ariannol yma; rydych chi'n dod at eich gilydd i edrych ar gyllidebau i'r dyfodol, ac yn edrych fwy ar beth sy'n mynd i ddod yn 2024-25, a thu hwnt, i wneud y gwaith y strategol yna, i weld, 'Wel, lle rydyn ni'n mynd efo hyn'. Ydy'r cydweithio yna'n gweithio'n well hefyd, o bosib, oherwydd technoleg, fel rydyn ni'n gallu cyfarfod heddiw - rydych chi i fyny yn y gogledd, ac rydyn ni i lawr yng Nghaerdydd?
English: It is important. Robust leadership and financial governance is crucial for public services. The strength of local government is that we are elected and that that governance and accountability is in place. And clearly, we take that responsibility, and, led by Anthony in budgetary terms, we have those long-term discussions. But that's perhaps our greatest concern as leaders, because it is fair to say that we have been making cuts for 12 years. Public services aren't where we would want them to be, because of the investment that we would all like to make in improving our roads, properties, and all our services. But we are currently looking at how we are taking those services through the storm, and getting out at the other end at least doing everything that we can under those circumstances. But we all have to be quite honest - we do need huge investment in public services in Wales, and across the UK indeed, in order for us to serve our people as we would like to do. But legally speaking, we have to balance our books, which means therefore that we do have to look at cuts. And that is difficult for us as politicians, obviously, who are trying to find creative ways of keeping our heads above water, and our great concern is that we know that, one day, the cost of rebuilding public services will be huge.
Welsh: Mae o'n bwysig. Mae arweinyddiaeth gadarn a llywodraethiant ariannol yn hanfodol i wasanaethau cyhoeddus. Beth sy'n gryfder mewn llywodraeth leol ydy'n bod ni wedi ein hethol, a bod y llywodraethiant yna a'r accountability yna yn digwydd. Ac yn amlwg, rydyn ni'n cymryd y cyfrifoldeb yna, ac, o dan arweiniad Anthony yn gyllidol, rydyn ni'n cael y trafodaethau hirdymor yna. Ond efallai mai dyna'r pryder mwyaf i ni fel arweinyddion, achos mae'n deg dweud ein bod ni wedi gwneud toriadau ers 12 mlynedd. Dydy gwasanaethau cyhoeddus ddim yn lle fyddem ni'n dymuno iddyn nhw fod, achos buddsoddi y buaswn ni i gyd yn licio ei wneud, a chodi cyflwr ein lonydd a'n heiddo a'n holl wasanaethau. Ond rydyn ni ar hyn o bryd yn edrych ar sut rydyn ni'n mynd â'r gwasanaethau drwy'r storm, a dod allan o'r storm o leiaf yn gwneud beth rydyn ni'n gallu ei wneud yn yr amgylchiadau yna. Ond rydyn ni i gyd yn bod yn hollol onest - mae angen buddsoddiad enfawr yn y gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yng Nghymru, ac ar draws y Deyrnas Unedig, er mwyn i ni fedru gwasanaethu fel y buasem ni yn dymuno gwneud hynny. Ond mae'n rhaid i ni, yn gyfreithiol, falansio'r llyfrau, sydd yn golygu felly bod yn rhaid i ni edrych ar sut rydyn ni'n gwneud y toriadau. Ac mae hynny'n rhyfedd i ni fel gwleidyddion, yn amlwg, sydd efallai yn trio ffeindio ffyrdd creadigol o gadw ein pennau uwchben dŵr, a'r pryder mawr ydy ein bod ni'n gwybod, rhyw ddiwrnod, bod y gost o ailadeiladu gwasanaethu cyhoeddus yn mynd i fod yn un enfawr i ni.
English: Yes, I will come in, thank you. The challenges have always been there, and, as Peter is aware, as we all know, social services have been a huge challenge for us as local authorities for many years. We do see the current situation within this year's budget as being challenging, so, as authorities at the moment, we don't know how much of the reserves, as noted earlier, won't be there by the beginning of the next financial year, and it's important that we note that. We're seeing an increase in pressures. We have, as Andrew Morgan said, gone as far as we can in terms of releasing people from hospital when it's safe to do that, but, in doing that, we've increased the costs upon ourselves. We're pleased that the Welsh Government has transported the additional funding that they've received in terms of social services to us as councils, but we are all aware from the recent census that the age demographic is changing and our needs are intensifying. So, we, at the moment, have no assurance that our budget for next year will respond to the challenge that we're actually facing in social services for adults or children. But it's important to note that we have no assurance that this year's budget will be - . Because this year is a huge challenge for us, and, as Lis said, we are fortunate that we acted wisely and that we do have reserves in order to pay for what's required this year, never mind what'll be required in two years' time.
Welsh: Ie, dof i mewn, diolch. Mae'r challenges yna wedi bod yna erioed, onid ydyn, ac, fel y mae Peter yn ymwybodol, rydyn ni i gyd yn gwybod yn iawn, mae'r gwasnaethau cymdeithasol wedi bod yn her fawr i ni fel awdurdodau lleol ers nifer o flynyddoedd. Rydym ni yn gweld y sefyllfa bresennol o fewn y gyllideb eleni yn heriol, so, dydyn ni, ar hyn o bryd, fel awdurdodau, ddim yn siŵr iawn faint o arian wrth gefn, a oedd wedi'i nodi gynnau, fydd ddim yna erbyn cychwyn y flwyddyn ariannol nesaf, sydd yn bwysig inni nodi yn fanna. Rydym ni'n gweld cynnydd mewn pwysau. Rydym ni wedi, fel yr oedd Andrew Morgan yn ei ddweud, mynd y cam pellaf er mwyn rhyddhau pobl o'r ysbyty pan fo'n ddiogel i wneud hynny, ond, wrth wneud hynny, rydym ni wedi cynyddu'r costau sydd arnom ni fanna. Rydym ni'n falch bod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi transbortio'r arian ychwanegol a ddaeth iddyn nhw o ran gwasanaethau cymdeithasol i ni fel cynghorau, ond rydym ni i gyd yn ymwybodol, o'r census diweddaraf yma, fod yr oedran demograffeg yn newid ac ein hanghenion yn dwysáu. Felly, does gennym ni, ar hyn o bryd, dim sicrwydd bod y gyllideb rydym ni'n gosod blwyddyn nesaf yn mynd i ymateb i'r her rydym ni'n ei wynebu ym maes gwasanaethau cymdeithasol oedolion na phlant. Ond mae'n bwysig nodi does gennym ni ddim sicrwydd bod ein cyllideb ni eleni yn mynd i fod yn - . Achos mae eleni yn her fawr iawn i ni ac, fel roedd Lis yn ei ddweud, rydym ni yn ffodus ein bod ni wedi gweithredu'n ddoeth, fod gennym ni arian wrth gefn er mwyn talu am beth sydd ei angen eleni, heb sôn am beth fydd ei angen mewn dwy flynedd.
English: I think it's fair to note that every authority will be doing - . It'll be difficult for us to say what every single authority will do, because we're not in their position in terms of budget setting. There are some authorities, such as us in Anglesey, that have protected education throughout the period of cuts, so schools are in different positions across Wales. So, I think asking us what every authority will do is very difficult for us in responding specifically. What I would say is leaders have agreed that education is a priority of ours and we want to safeguard it. But, clearly, I'm not in a position where I can say that to you as leader of Anglesey, when there are some leaders in far more difficult positions than us financially.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n deg i nodi bydd pob awdurdod yn gwneud - . Mae'n anodd iawn i ni ddweud beth fydd pob un awdurdod yn ei wneud, achos dydyn ni ddim yn eu sefyllfa nhw o ran gosod y gyllideb. Mae yna rai awdurdodau, megis ni ym Môn, sydd wedi gwarchod addysg drwy gydol y toriadau, felly mae'r ysgolion mewn sefyllfaoedd gwahanol beth bynnag ledled Cymru. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod gofyn i ni beth y mae pob un cyngor yn mynd i'w wneud yn anodd iawn i ni o ran i ni ymateb i hwnnw'n benodol. Beth fuaswn i'n ei ddweud ydy bod arweinyddion wedi cytuno bod addysg yn bwysig ofnadwy i ni a'n bod ni eisiau trio ei diogelu hi. Ond yn amlwg dydw i ddim mewn sefyllfa lle gallaf i ddweud hynna wrthych chi fel arweinydd Ynys Môn, pan mae yna rai arweinyddion mewn sefyllfa llawer mwy bregus na ni yn ariannol.
English: So, we've been out recently with transport contracts for schools. The impact of inflation on that is immense. We've seen a significant increase there. Clearly, we're all aware of gas and electricity and all of those costs in education too.The education sector is also seeing a recruitment challenge in education. So, everything that we've said already regarding the situation for councils also impacts individual organisations such as schools. I'm the chair of a governing body of a secondary school, so the discussion that I have as the chair of a body, just at a smaller scale, is exactly the same as the discussion that one has within the authority. So, there are the same pressures there. We're also aware that these special children and young people that we have coming through our doors have been through a very difficult period and we need to provide them with additional well-being support. That is also a challenge for us, and we're trying to invest in that, and that makes it even more difficult in terms of trying to get these young people back to where they were pre-COVID and ready to learn, and also the new curriculum that will be in front of them in the classroom.
Welsh: Felly, rydyn ni wedi bod allan yn ddiweddar o ran cytundebau trafnidiaeth i ysgolion. Mae effaith chwyddiant ar hwnna yn aruthrol. Rydyn ni wedi gweld cynnydd mawr yn hynna. Yn amlwg, rydyn ni i gyd yn ymwybodol o nwy a thrydan a'r holl gostau yna ar addysg hefyd. Mae'r sector addysg hefyd yn gweld her recriwtio ym maes addysg. Felly, mae pob dim rydyn ni wedi ei ddweud yn barod ynglŷn â'r sefyllfa i'r cynghorau yn yr un modd yn effeithio sefydliadau unigol fel ysgolion. Dwi'n gadeirydd ar gorff llywodraethol uwchradd, felly mae'r drafodaeth dwi'n ei chael fel cadeirydd corff, ddim ond ar sgêl llai, yn union yr un fath â'r drafodaeth mae rhywun yn ei chael o fewn yr awdurdod. Felly, mae'r un pwysau yna. Rydyn ni hefyd yn gwybod bod y plant a'r bobl ifanc arbennig yma sy'n dod drwy'r drysau wedi bod trwy gyfnod anodd iawn ac mae angen rhoi y gefnogaeth ychwanegol llesiant iddyn nhw. Mae hwnnw hefyd yn her i ni, ac rydyn ni'n trio buddsoddi yn hynny, sydd yn ei gwneud hi'n anoddach fyth o ran trio cael y bobl ifanc yma nôl i lle'r oedden nhw cyn yr argyfwng ac yn barod i gael eu haddysgu, a hefyd y cwricwlwm newydd sydd yn dod o'u blaenau nhw yn y dosbarth.
English: Thank you very much for your time this morning and thank you for spending a little bit longer with us than we'd originally planned. There will be a transcript provided for you to check that it's correct. Please do so. But, again, just to endorse what other people have said, thank you very much for all the work that you are doing, because it is extremely important in a very challenging time.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, iawn i chi am eich amser y bore yma a diolch am dreulio ychydig bach yn hirach efo ni nag yr oedden ni wedi'i amserlennu. Mi fydd yna dransgript yn dod allan i chi i gyd tsiecio i wneud yn siŵr ei fod yn gywir. Plis gwnewch hynny. Ond, eto, i ategu beth mae pobl eraill wedi'i ddweud, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am yr holl waith rydych chi yn ei wneud, achos mae'n hynod o bwysig mewn amser sydd yn sialens.
English: We're going to break now before we have the Minister. I propose, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42, that the committee resolves to exclude the public from items 5, 7 and 8 and the next meeting. Is everyone agreed? Yes. Thank you.
Welsh: Rydyn ni'n mynd i dorri rŵan cyn fod gyda ni'r Gweinidog. O dan Reol 17.42, dwi'n cynnig ein bod ni'n gwahardd y cyhoedd o eitemau 5, 7 ac 8. Ydy pawb yn gytûn? Ydyn. Diolch.
English: Welcome back to the session with the Minister now on the draft budget. A very warm welcome to you to the meeting. We're going to be scrutinising now for about an hour and three quarters. But before we do that - a very warm welcome to you - would you be willing to introduce yourselves and your role? We'll start with the Minister.
Welsh: Croeso'n ôl i'r sesiwn gyda'r Gweinidog rŵan ar y gyllideb ddrafft. Croeso cynnes i chi i'r cyfarfod. Rydyn ni'n mynd i fod yn craffu am ryw awr a thri chwarter, gobeithio. Ond cyn inni wneud hynny - croeso cynnes i chi - fyddech chi'n fodlon cyflwyno'ch hunain ac ym mha rôl rydych chi yma? Fe wnawn ni gychwyn efo'r Gweinidog.
English: Thank you, Chair. Good morning, Minister and members of your office. May I apologise that I can't be there in person? I have personal reasons that mean that I am stuck here in north Wales at the moment. Minister, you mentioned in your opening statement about homelessness. Just in general on that point, do you feel that homelessness services and support services for homelessness are being prioritised in this budget?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Gadeirydd. Bore da, Weinidog ac aelodau o'ch swyddfa chi. Gaf fi ymddiheuro fy mod i'n methu bod yna mewn person efo chi? Mae amgylchiadau personol yn golygu fy mod i'n styc yma yn y gogledd ar hyn o bryd. Roeddech chi, Weinidog, yn sôn yn eich ateb agoriadol am ddigartrefedd. Jest yn gyffredinol ar hynny, ydych chi'n teimlo bod gwasanaethau digartrefedd a gwasanaethau cymorth i ddigartrefedd wedi cael eu blaenoriaethu gyda chi yn y setliad yma?