English: Like others, I want to thank the committee for this report and for this short investigation. I thought the points made by the committee Chair in opening this debate were well made, and established a very clear group of findings, which I'm glad the Welsh Government has responded to. But the reality is that we need the UK Government to respond to this as well. And I'm participating in this debate because I've listened to the contributions this afternoon, and many have focused on the needs of rural Wales, describing this as an issue facing rural areas. But I have to tell you, it isn't. This is not about rural communities. This is about some of our most densely populated urban areas as well. If you go to parts of Cardiff, you have some significant issues with lack of access to sufficiently fast broadband speeds. And in my constituency in Blaenau Gwent, you have a number of different parts of the community that simply cannot access the broadband speeds they require to participate in aspects of modern life, as you've described, Mabon, but also the businesses that operate there are unable to access markets because they simply cannot match the broadband speeds that other parts of the UK are able to do. So, this isn't about rural Wales versus urban Wales - this is about a failure of the UK system to deliver for the whole of Wales. This is why I think this report is so important. The Welsh Government has invested over the years. I remember speaking to Ministers over a long period of time now about the need to invest in broadband, in different sorts of broadband, over the years, but let's be absolutely clear where the failure lies here, and the failure lies with a UK system that simply does not deliver for Wales. It is a failure of the market. The market is not delivering the sorts of broadband speeds and connectivity that people require. It is a failure of regulation, because the regulator isn't ensuring that the market delivers. And finally, it is a failure of Government, because the Government is allowing the regulation to fail. So, it's a failure of the system. And I'm going to help out Janet Finch-Saunders now, if she - . Here we go, got her attention. Because this isn't simply a failure of the current Conservative Government, but it is. It was also a failure under previous Labour Governments, and the system that was set up by the Blair Government, of Ofcom and the rest of it, had in its roots failure, because it focused on the - [ Interruption.] I will allow you to intervene, just allow me to finish the sentence; we'll do a deal on that, surely. Ofcom was established to look at the rights and responsibilities of consumers, and not the rights of citizens, and it was that debate that I believe was lost when Ofcom was being established 20 years ago. I give way.
Welsh: Fel eraill, hoffwn innau ddiolch i'r pwyllgor am yr adroddiad hwn ac am yr ymchwiliad byr hwn. Roeddwn yn meddwl bod y pwyntiau a wnaeth Cadeirydd y pwyllgor wrth agor y ddadl hon yn rhai da a'u bod wedi sefydlu grŵp clir iawn o ganfyddiadau rwy'n falch fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymateb iddynt. Ond y gwir amdani yw bod angen i Lywodraeth y DU ymateb i hyn hefyd. Ac rwy'n cymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon gan fy mod wedi gwrando ar y cyfraniadau'r prynhawn yma, ac mae llawer wedi canolbwyntio ar anghenion Cymru wledig, gan ddisgrifio hyn fel problem sy'n wynebu ardaloedd gwledig yn unig. Ond rhaid imi ddweud wrthych, nid yw hynny'n wir. Mae hyn yn ymwneud â mwy na chymunedau gwledig yn unig. Mae'n ymwneud â rhai o'n hardaloedd trefol mwyaf poblog hefyd. Os ewch i rannau o Gaerdydd, mae gennych broblemau sylweddol gyda diffyg mynediad at fand eang digon cyflym. Ac yn fy etholaeth i ym Mlaenau Gwent, mae gennych sawl rhan o'r gymuned na allant gael mynediad at y cyflymder band eang sydd eu hangen arnynt i gymryd rhan mewn agweddau ar fywyd modern, fel rydych wedi'i ddisgrifio, Mabon, ond hefyd, nid yw'r busnesau sy'n gweithredu yno yn gallu cael mynediad at farchnadoedd am nad oes ganddynt y cyflymderau band eang sydd gan rannau eraill o'r DU. Felly, nid yw hyn yn ymwneud â'r Gymru wledig yn erbyn y Gymru drefol - mae'n ymwneud â methiant system y DU i ddarparu ar gyfer Cymru gyfan. Dyna pam y credaf fod yr adroddiad hwn mor bwysig. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi buddsoddi dros y blynyddoedd. Rwy'n cofio siarad â Gweinidogion dros gyfnod hir o amser nawr am yr angen i fuddsoddi mewn band eang, mewn gwahanol fathau o fand eang, dros y blynyddoedd, ond gadewch inni fod yn gwbl glir ynglŷn â ble mae'r methiant yn hyn o beth, ac mae'r methiant yn system y DU nad yw'n darparu ar gyfer Cymru. Methiant y farchnad ydyw. Nid yw'r farchnad yn darparu'r mathau o gyflymder a chysylltedd band eang sydd eu hangen ar bobl. Mae'n fethiant rheoleiddio, gan nad yw'r rheoleiddiwr yn sicrhau bod y farchnad yn darparu. Ac yn olaf, mae'n fethiant Llywodraeth, gan fod y Llywodraeth yn caniatáu i'r rheoleiddio fethu. Felly, methiant y system ydyw. Ac rwy'n mynd i helpu Janet Finch-Saunders nawr, os yw hi - . Dyma ni, rwyf wedi cael ei sylw. Oherwydd nid methiant y Llywodraeth Geidwadol bresennol yn unig mohono, er ei fod yn fethiant ar eu rhan hwy hefyd. Roedd hefyd yn fethiant o dan Lywodraethau Llafur blaenorol, ac roedd gan y system a sefydlwyd gan Lywodraeth Blair, Ofcom a'r gweddill, fethiant wrth ei gwraidd, gan ei bod yn canolbwyntio ar y - [ Torri ar draws.] Fe dderbyniaf eich ymyriad, ond gadewch imi orffen y frawddeg; gallwn daro bargen ar hynny. Sefydlwyd Ofcom i edrych ar hawliau a chyfrifoldebau defnyddwyr, ac nid hawliau dinasyddion, a'r ddadl honno, yn fy marn i, a gollwyd pan oedd Ofcom yn cael ei sefydlu 20 mlynedd yn ôl. Fe wnaf ildio.