English: Alun Davies made some sensible points about the security of the ballot, but then went into the wider reaches of conspiracy around data and dark money and elections not being under control. Unless he knows the Centre for Welsh Studies and exactly what they're doing with the data, then 'dark forces are risking our democracy' - they're not my accounts. It is frankly ludicrous for the Member to trade in such conspiracies. The election will be secure. There is a consensus around our election systems, and I think that's something that should be supported. I would also like to thank the members of the committee or panel that was working with the First Minister on these issues. I think it came up with a number of sensible ideas to support turnout and a safe election amidst COVID. Some of those are difficult to implement without co-ordination with the UK Government because, of course, we have the police and crime commissioner elections scheduled for the same day. Adam Price said that the UK Government could delay elections - yes, in terms of the police and crime commissioner elections, but of course the House of Commons is constrained by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 in terms of the five-year term there. I would like to say I was grateful to the First Minister for the way that he consulted openly around this process and for the time he gave me to discuss these matters with him. I don't consider that he is doing this or proposing potentially to take powers from a partisan perspective, and I make no such suggestion. But the election should go ahead on 6 May next year; it will be five years since the last election. Now, we had devolution described by the Prime Minister as a disaster, yet these powers to set our own parliamentary term, just have a vote here on the proposal of the Welsh Government or the Llywydd or a 50 per cent or two-thirds majority, whatever we decide - we just extend our own term - was that envisaged when devolution began? Was Boris asleep at the wheel when he was Foreign Secretary and the Wales Act 2017 was agreed? If you don't want to see this term extended and these powers used in this way, why on earth did you devolve them? I think it is wrong that we should take or use those powers, whatever the precise mechanism. And a two-thirds majority, I guess, is better than not having a two-thirds majority, but, last time, that two-thirds majority, when we renamed this institution, was obtained through the Llywydd and the Deputy Llywydd voting, in my view - well, I note what the Standing Orders say in terms of impartiality, but what happened then. Is it envisaged again that the Llywydd and Deputy Llywydd may again join with Labour and Plaid to give this majority of two thirds? There should be an election on 6 May. There should not be legislation to delay it. It is wrong; we should not do it.
Welsh: Gwnaeth Alun Davies rai pwyntiau synhwyrol am ddiogelwch yr etholiad, ond yna aeth i'r agweddau ehangach ar gynllwynio ynghylch data ac arian tywyll ac etholiadau nad ydyn nhw o dan reolaeth. Oni bai ei fod yn adnabod unigolion y Centre for Welsh Studies a beth yn union y maen nhw'n ei wneud gyda'r data, yna 'mae grymoedd tywyll yn peryglu ein democratiaeth' - nid dyna fy marn i. A dweud y gwir, mae'n chwerthinllyd i'r Aelod gredu mewn cynllwyn o'r fath. Bydd yr etholiad yn ddiogel. Mae consensws ynghylch ein systemau etholiadol, ac rwy'n credu bod hynny'n rhywbeth y dylid ei gefnogi. Hoffwn i ddiolch hefyd i aelodau'r pwyllgor neu'r panel a oedd yn gweithio gyda'r Prif Weinidog ar y materion hyn. Rwy'n credu ei fod wedi cynnig nifer o syniadau synhwyrol i gefnogi'r nifer sy'n bwrw pleidlais ac etholiad diogel o ran COVID. Mae'n anodd gweithredu rhai o'r rheini heb gydgysylltu â Llywodraeth y DU oherwydd, wrth gwrs, mae etholiadau'r comisiynydd heddlu a throseddu wedi'u trefnu ar gyfer yr un diwrnod. Dywedodd Adam Price y gallai Llywodraeth y DU ohirio etholiadau - ie, o ran etholiadau'r comisiynydd heddlu a throseddu, ond wrth gwrs mae Tŷ'r Cyffredin wedi'i gyfyngu gan Ddeddf Seneddau Cyfnod Penodol 2011 o ran y tymor pum mlynedd yno. Hoffwn ddweud fy mod yn ddiolchgar i'r Prif Weinidog am y ffordd y gwnaeth ymgynghori yn agored ynghylch y broses hon ac am yr amser a roddodd i mi i drafod y materion hyn gydag ef. Nid wyf o'r farn ei fod yn gwneud hyn nac yn cynnig o bosibl i gymryd pwerau o safbwynt pleidiol, ac nid wyf yn gwneud unrhyw awgrym o'r fath. Ond dylai'r etholiad fynd yn ei flaen ar 6 Mai y flwyddyn nesaf; bydd yn bum mlynedd ers yr etholiad diwethaf. Nawr, fe wnaeth Prif Weinidog y DU ddisgrifio datganoli fel trychineb, ac eto'r pwerau hyn i bennu ein tymor seneddol ein hunain, dim ond cael pleidlais yma ar gynnig Llywodraeth Cymru neu'r Llywydd neu fwyafrif o 50 y cant neu ddwy ran o dair, beth bynnag y penderfynwn ni - rydym ni newydd ymestyn ein tymor ein hunain - a ragwelwyd hynny pan ddechreuodd datganoli? A oedd Boris yn cysgu wrth yr olwyn pan oedd yn Ysgrifennydd Tramor a chytunwyd ar Ddeddf Cymru 2017? Os nad ydych chi eisiau gweld y tymor hwn yn cael ei ymestyn a'r pwerau hyn yn cael eu defnyddio fel hyn, pam ar y ddaear y gwnaethoch chi eu datganoli? Rwy'n credu ei bod yn anghywir i ni gymryd neu ddefnyddio'r pwerau hynny, beth bynnag fo'r union ddull. Ac mae mwyafrif o ddwy ran o dair, rwy'n dyfalu, yn well na pheidio â bod â mwyafrif o ddwy ran o dair, ond, y tro diwethaf, y mwyafrif o ddwy ran o dair, pan ailenwyd y sefydliad hwn, drwy'r Llywydd a'r Dirprwy Lywydd yn pleidleisio, yn fy marn i - wel, rwy'n nodi yr hyn y mae'r Rheolau Sefydlog yn eu dweud o ran didueddrwydd, ond beth ddigwyddodd felly. A ragwelir eto y caiff y Llywydd a'r Dirprwy Lywydd ymuno â Llafur a Phlaid Cymru unwaith eto i roi'r mwyafrif hwn o ddwy ran o dair? Dylid cael etholiad ar 6 Mai. Ni ddylid bod â deddfwriaeth i'w ohirio. Mae'n anghywir; ni ddylem ni wneud hynny.