English: I'm grateful for the Cabinet Secretary for clarifying why his scheme is so expensive, because what he will also know is that the other scheme that is operated by the Welsh Government, the concessionary fare scheme, is much less expensive - much, much less expensive indeed. In fact, it's less than £100 per beneficiary for older people who get their free bus passes. And I understand the difficulty that the Welsh Government has in trying to justify spending £1,000 per beneficiary on a third off a bus ticket, when, actually, you can buy them over the counter for £490 - and you'd be better off giving a grant directly to the individuals concerned, frankly, because it would cost you an awful lot less - but the reality is that if we're able to afford this for older people, we can afford it for our younger people too. Surely they're worth just as much to society as older people. Now, we have based our figures on the costs of the existing concessionary fare scheme, and the existing spending within that scheme. The cost per head of beneficiaries, as I've already said, is well under £100 per year, and if we extend that scheme to 16 to 24-year-olds, then we know that not all of those 16 to 24-year-olds are going to take up the opportunity, as is the case with older people. So, at the moment, everybody who's over 60 is eligible to be part of the concessionary fare scheme, but only 70-odd per cent of people actually take up the opportunity to participate in that scheme. We believe that younger people would choose: some people would want to take up the opportunity to get their free bus passes, others wouldn't. And we actually expect around two thirds of the rate that older people have taken up, so just over half of the young people who would be eligible. So, that's how we've arrived at our costs. We also know that you can buy commercially priced national railcards for young people, the young person's railcard, for less than £15 on a regular basis: £14.99 I saw them advertised for - £15 - last week. The usual price is £30, but they're regularly discounted. Now, I would hope that the Welsh Government could use its buying power for 360,000 16 to 24-year-olds to get some sort of extra discount on that price in order to encourage young people to take up the opportunity to use the rail network at a discounted fare price. So, that's where we've got our figures, and I'm happy to share them with you in the same way that I have now. We've even thrown a little bit in - on top of funding the bus passes and on top of funding the railcard discount, we've even thrown a bit in for promotion, because you haven't done enough in terms of promoting your current scheme now, which is why we've got a paltry 15 per cent - 15 per cent - of 16 to 18-year-olds actually receiving and taking part in the mytravelpass scheme. Now, you've already heard that, for young people, this is a big issue. It's one of the top priorities, as Paul Davies and Jeremy Miles acknowledged. The cost of transport is a barrier to people being able to get to their place of education, it's a barrier to them getting a job interview, let alone getting to and from work. So, we need to do something about this. We've come up with a solution, we've presented that solution, we're trying to do it in a non-partisan way, and it's a shame that some people who have spoken in this debate have tried to make it a very partisan debate completely unnecessarily. So, we've got a realistic, fully costed solution to the travel woes of young people across Wales, and we want to encourage you, Cabinet Secretary, to seriously consider taking these plans forward, because I tell you what, it would make a huge difference to young people across Wales. My daughter has just passed her driving test - I'm very proud of her. She's just passed her driving test first time, unlike her dad, and the cost of her insurance is absolutely extortionate - over £1,600 a year. And let me tell you, she's not driving a flash car; it's a small, tiny, poky little car. So, when you consider the cost to young people of being able to be a motorist in the current time, you can see why our proposal would give them another alternative. It would encourage them to take up the opportunity to use public transport, would help those bus routes stay sustainable, would encourage them to get out and see their friends and to see some of what Wales has to offer, and would enable them to get backwards and forwards to their place of education or work.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am egluro pam y mae ei gynllun mor ddrud, oherwydd yr hyn y bydd hefyd yn ei wybod yw bod y cynllun arall sy'n cael ei weithredu gan Lywodraeth Cymru, y cynllun tocyn teithio rhatach, yn llawer llai costus - yn llawer iawn llai drud yn wir. Mewn gwirionedd, mae'n llai na £100 y buddiolwr ar gyfer pobl hŷn sy'n cael eu tocynnau bws am ddim. Ac rwy'n deall yr anhawster y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei gael i geisio cyfiawnhau gwario £1,000 y buddiolwr ar draean oddi ar docyn bws, pan allwch eu prynu dros y cownter mewn gwirionedd am £490 - a byddech yn well eich byd yn rhoi grant yn uniongyrchol i'r unigolion dan sylw, a dweud y gwir, gan y byddai'n costio llawer iawn llai i chi - ond y gwir yw, os gallwn fforddio hyn ar gyfer pobl hŷn, gallwn ei fforddio ar gyfer ein pobl ifanc hefyd. Yn sicr, maent yr un mor werthfawr i gymdeithas â phobl hŷn. Nawr, rydym wedi seilio ein ffigurau ar gostau'r cynllun tocyn teithio rhatach presennol, a'r gwariant presennol o fewn y cynllun hwnnw. Mae cost y pen buddiolwyr, fel y dywedais eisoes, gryn dipyn yn is na £100 y flwyddyn, ac os ydym yn ymestyn y cynllun i gynnwys pobl ifanc rhwng 16 a 24 oed, gwyddom nad yw pob un o'r rheini sydd rhwng 16 a 24 oed yn mynd i fanteisio ar y cyfle, fel sy'n wir gyda phobl hŷn. Felly, ar hyn o bryd, mae pawb sydd dros 60 yn gymwys i fod yn rhan o'r cynllun tocyn teithio rhatach, ond nid oes ond oddeutu 70 y cant o bobl yn manteisio ar y cyfle i fod yn rhan o'r cynllun hwnnw mewn gwirionedd. Rydym yn credu y buasai pobl iau'n dewis: buasai rhai pobl yn dymuno manteisio ar y cyfle i gael eu tocynnau bws am ddim, ni fuasai pobl eraill yn gwneud hynny. Ac mewn gwirionedd rydym yn disgwyl oddeutu dwy ran o dair o'r gyfradd o bobl hŷn sy'n manteisio ar y cynnig, felly byddai ychydig dros hanner y bobl ifanc yn gymwys. Felly, dyna sut yr ydym wedi costio'r cynllun. Rydym hefyd yn gwybod y gallwch brynu cardiau rheilffordd cenedlaethol am bris masnachol ar gyfer pobl ifanc, cerdyn rheilffordd person ifanc am lai na £15 ar sail reolaidd: gwelais hwy'n cael eu hysbysebu am £14.99 - £15 - yr wythnos diwethaf. Y pris arferol yw £30, ond mae gostyngiad arnynt yn rheolaidd. Nawr, buaswn yn gobeithio y gallai Llywodraeth Cymru ddefnyddio ei grym gwario i 360,000 o rai rhwng 16 a 24 oed gael rhyw fath o ostyngiad ychwanegol ar y pris hwnnw er mwyn annog pobl ifanc i fanteisio ar y cyfle i ddefnyddio'r rhwydwaith rheilffyrdd am bris gostyngol. Felly dyna ble y cawsom ein ffigurau, ac rwy'n hapus i'w rhannu gyda chi yn yr un ffordd ag y gwneuthum yn awr. Rydym wedi taflu ychydig i mewn hyd yn oed - ar ben ariannu'r tocynnau bws ac ar ben cyllid y gostyngiad cerdyn rheilffordd, rydym wedi taflu ychydig i mewn ar gyfer hyrwyddo, am nad ydych wedi gwneud digon i hyrwyddo eich cynllun presennol yn awr, a dyna pam nad oes gennym fwy na 15 y cant pitw - 15 y cant - o rai rhwng 16 a 18 oed yn derbyn ac yn cymryd rhan yn y cynllun fyngherdynteithio mewn gwirionedd. Nawr, rydych eisoes wedi clywed bod hwn yn fater pwysig i bobl ifanc. Mae'n un o'r prif flaenoriaethau, fel y cydnabu Paul Davies a Jeremy Miles. Mae cost trafnidiaeth yn rhwystr i bobl rhag gallu mynd i'w lleoliad addysg, mae'n rhwystr iddynt rhag cyrraedd cyfweliad am swydd, heb sôn am gyrraedd y gwaith a dod adref. Felly mae angen inni wneud rhywbeth ynglŷn â hyn. Rydym wedi dod o hyd i ateb, rydym wedi cyflwyno'r ateb hwnnw, rydym yn ceisio ei wneud mewn ffordd amhleidiol, ac mae'n drueni fod rhai pobl sydd wedi siarad yn y ddadl hon wedi ceisio ei gwneud yn ddadl bleidiol iawn a hynny'n gwbl ddiangen. Felly, mae gennym ateb realistig, wedi ei gostio'n llawn i drafferthion teithio pobl ifanc ar draws Cymru, ac rydym am eich annog, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, i roi ystyriaeth ddifrifol i ddatblygu'r cynlluniau hyn, oherwydd rwy'n dweud wrthych, byddai'n gwneud gwahaniaeth enfawr i bobl ifanc ledled Cymru. Mae fy merch wedi pasio ei phrawf gyrru - rwy'n falch iawn ohoni. Mae hi wedi pasio ei phrawf gyrru y tro cyntaf, yn wahanol i'w thad, ac mae cost ei hyswiriant yn gwbl afresymol - dros £1,600 y flwyddyn. A gadewch i mi ddweud wrthych, nid yw'n gyrru car swanc; car bach cyfyng ydyw. Felly pan fyddwch yn ystyried y gost i bobl ifanc o allu bod yn fodurwyr ar hyn o bryd, gallwch weld pam y byddai ein cynnig yn rhoi dewis arall iddynt. Byddai'n eu hannog i fanteisio ar y cyfle i ddefnyddio trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus, yn helpu'r llwybrau bysiau i aros yn gynaliadwy, yn eu hannog i fynd allan a gweld eu ffrindiau ac i weld peth o'r hyn sydd gan Gymru i'w gynnig, a byddai'n eu galluogi i fynd yn ôl ac ymlaen i'w lleoliad addysg neu waith.