English: No, not to get rid of you. You didn't understand it; that's the problem, Peter. When I asked you what powers you wanted, you didn't reply. What we need to be able to do is to provide the funding and the funding streams openly, transparently, fairly, according to need, and then deliver to those people. That was what was being done, and what's being done here is a dismantling of that system. It's being dismantled not because it didn't work, but because it couldn't be controlled by the Conservative Party. Do you know what? There will be a lot of people, not just in my constituency and not just in Caerphilly and not just in Bridgend who will lose out as a result of that, but the greatest loser is the sense of the United Kingdom as a state able to treat all parts fairly. And do you know what? In terms of where we're going at the moment with the undermining of democracy, the internal market Act, I thought, ended the devolution period in Wales. It ended devolution. Devolution doesn't exist - it doesn't exist. What exists is a shadow that can be undermined at will by a Minister in London, unaccountable, unelected by the people of Wales. That is not what I understood by devolution. It's why read in the programme for government earlier this afternoon that things will need to change if the United Kingdom is to remain in place. Presiding Officer, I'm trying your patience again. Let me conclude my contribution by saying this: I've found the process over the last few years one of the most deeply depressing and distressing experiences that I've been involved with in politics, because as a member of committees in this place, we have sought in goodwill and with cross-party support to bring in UK Ministers to have that conversation and to create that transparency and to debate about what is best for Wales. Those Ministers didn't just not appear, but were unable to answer questions, and they knew that they'd been rumbled. The issue we've got to face now is how do we rebuild a regional policy that has been systematically dismantled by a UK Government that doesn't give a damn.
Welsh: Na, nid i gael gwared arnoch chi. Wnaethoch chi ddim ei ddeall; dyna'r broblem, Peter. Pan ofynnais i chi pa bwerau yr oeddech chi yn dymuno eu cael, wnaethoch chi ddim ateb. Yr hyn y mae angen inni allu ei wneud yw darparu'r cyllid a'r ffrydiau ariannu'n agored, yn dryloyw, yn deg, yn ôl yr angen, ac yna ei ddarparu i'r bobl hynny. Dyna oedd yn cael ei wneud, a'r hyn sy'n cael ei wneud yn y fan yma yw datgymalu'r system honno. Mae'n cael ei datgymalu nid am nad oedd yn gweithio, ond oherwydd na allai'r Blaid Geidwadol ei rheoli. Wyddoch chi? Bydd llawer o bobl, nid yn unig yn fy etholaeth i ac nid yn unig yng Nghaerffili ac nid yn unig ym Mhen-y-bont ar Ogwr a fydd ar eu colled o ganlyniad i hynny, ond y collwr mwyaf yw'r ymdeimlad o'r Deyrnas Unedig fel gwladwriaeth sy'n gallu trin pob rhan yn deg. A wyddoch chi beth? O ran lle yr ydym yn mynd ar hyn o bryd gyda thanseilio democratiaeth, Deddf y farchnad fewnol, yn fy marn i daeth â'r cyfnod datganoli i ben yng Nghymru. Roedd yn dod â datganoli i ben. Nid yw datganoli'n bodoli - nid yw'n bodoli. Yr hyn sy'n bodoli yw cysgod y gall Gweinidog yn Llundain ei danseilio, yn anatebol, heb ei ethol gan bobl Cymru. Nid dyna yw datganoli yn ôl yr hyn a ddeallaf i. Dyna pam y darllenais yn y rhaglen lywodraethu yn gynharach y prynhawn yma y bydd angen i bethau newid os yw'r Deyrnas Unedig i barhau. Llywydd, rwy'n trethu eich amynedd eto. Gadewch imi gloi fy nghyfraniad drwy ddweud hyn: rwyf i yn credu bod y broses dros yr ychydig flynyddoedd diwethaf wedi bod yn un o'r profiadau mwyaf digalon a gofidus yr wyf wedi bod yn ymwneud ag ef mewn gwleidyddiaeth, oherwydd fel aelod o bwyllgorau yn y lle hwn, rydym wedi ceisio ewyllys da a chyda chefnogaeth drawsbleidiol i ddod â Gweinidogion y DU i mewn i gael y sgwrs honno ac i greu'r tryloywder hwnnw ac i drafod yr hyn sydd orau i Gymru. Wnaeth y Gweinidogion hynny ddim ymddangos, ac nid oedden nhw'n gallu ateb cwestiynau, ac roedden nhw'n gwybod eu bod wedi cael eu dal. Y mater y mae'n rhaid i ni ei wynebu nawr yw sut mae ailadeiladu polisi rhanbarthol sydd wedi'i ddatgymalu'n systematig gan Lywodraeth y DU nad yw'n poeni dim.