English: Well, what you've said about education is entirely right, but that's not an argument against regulation in any way. It is an argument for having a long-term plan for education and, once again, there are Welsh in education strategic plans that are a statutory requirement on all local authorities. You know what the commissioner has said about those WESPs - she has said that they are inadequate and that they will not succeed in achieving the Welsh Government's aim of reaching a million Welsh speakers. Now, as she said that, some specific work was commissioned under the chairmanship of Aled Roberts, and he says exactly the same thing. So, the Government has a job of work to do in ensuring that these WESPs are up to speed and are of sufficient quality where they will be of assistance in reaching the aim, as you say. But to do that, you have to develop qualified teachers, a teaching workforce that can transmit the language properly to young children, who, as you say, can suck up languages like a sponge. Yes, that's where the challenges lie, but that's not an argument against regulation within the organisations - that's different work. And the fact that the Government hasn't done it as of yet - well, that's the Government's problem and it's the Government that has to account for that. It's not a matter of shifting a few million pounds - that is work that requires detailed planning over decades. So, I still come back to the point - it's not an either/or, it's not regulation or promotion. It's a matter of having appropriate plans in place in various areas. Education is the most important, but not the only one.
Welsh: Wel, mae'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i ddweud am y maes addysg yn berffaith gywir, ond nid ydy hynny yn ddadl yn erbyn rheoleiddio o gwbl. Mae'n ddadl o blaid cael cynllun tymor hir ar gyfer addysg ac, unwaith eto, mae gennym ni gynlluniau datblygu addysg Gymraeg, onid oes, sy'n ddyletswydd ar bob cyngor lleol. Rydych chi'n gwybod beth mae'r comisiynydd wedi'i ddweud am y cynlluniau hynny - mae hi wedi dweud eu bod nhw'n annigonol ac nad ydyn nhw'n mynd i lwyddo i gyrraedd nod Llywodraeth Cymru o greu miliwn o siaradwyr Cymraeg. Am ei bod hi wedi dweud hynny, fe gomisiynwyd gwaith penodol o dan gadeiryddiaeth Aled Roberts, ac mae o'n dweud yn union yr un peth. Felly, mae gan y Llywodraeth job o waith i wneud i gael y cynlluniau datblygu addysg Gymraeg yna i fyny i sbid ac i ansawdd lle y byddan nhw'n help i gyrraedd y nod - beth rydych chi'n ei ddweud. Ond i wneud hynny, mae'n rhaid i chi ddatblygu athrawon cymwys sydd yn gallu trosglwyddo'r iaith yn iawn i blant bach, sy'n gallu, fel yr ydych chi'n ei ddweud, amsugno iaith yn hawdd. Ie, fanna mae'r her, ond nid ydy hynny yn ddadl yn erbyn rheoleiddio o fewn y cyrff sydd yn bodoli - gwaith arall ydy o. Ac nid ydy'r ffaith nad yw'r Llywodraeth wedi'i wneud o eto - wel, problem y Llywodraeth ydy honno a'r Llywodraeth sydd yn rhaid ateb dros hynny. Nid symud rhyw ychydig filiynau ydy hynny - mae hynny'n waith cynllunio manwl dros ddegawdau. Felly, rydw i'n dal i ddod yn ôl - nid naill ai neu ydy o, nid rheoleiddio neu hyrwyddo ydy o. Mater o wneud cynlluniau bwriadol mewn gwahanol feysydd. Addysg ydy'r pwysicaf, ond nid yr unig un.