English: I don't have enough time to describe the damage that I believe would be caused to the national health service if the Conservatives were in charge. I will move swiftly on, and back to the comments that we heard from the health Minister, who again deflected blame, time and time again, and said there had been unprecedented demand. Of course there's unprecedented demand, but that unprecedented demand is a part of what is creating the crisis. It's a failure to deal with that unprecedented demand, and it's those factors that have led to that unprecedented demand and years of mismanagement when it comes to the preventative agenda that we really need to see a gear change on or we'll be back here in 25 years' time again talking about the same issues. The Minister wanted to blame the co-operation agreement. There's a very good reason why health - . Social care, very much, is in the co-operation agreement. There's a very good reason why health isn't in there, because we disagree with Welsh Government's approach on health, and that's why we cannot agree on a way forward on that. But, the Minister refused to use the word 'crisis', taking a similar attitude to the First Minister from a week ago: 'Sometimes it feels like a crisis', 'There are days when it's bad.' Carolyn Thomas was happy to admit that there is a crisis in Wales, as the rest of the UK, as she said. We heard your Labour leader saying today, Sir Keir Starmer, that there is a health crisis, calling on Rishi Sunak to stop blaming others and take some responsibility and just admit that, under his watch, the NHS is in crisis. Well, under your watch, the NHS is in crisis in Wales, and it worries me greatly that you won't admit to that. Very important comments from Cefin Campbell, who said that we should never accept the normalisation of the current state of the NHS. That means not accepting that it has to be like this. That means accepting that these are extraordinary times and that, therefore, we need to step up to the plate, accept it for what it is, a crisis. Call it an 'emergency' if you like - in Welsh it's the same word probably. But, we need to have that admission that something different has to happen. Russell George, like me, didn't underestimate the scale of the challenge. He also made the point that we use words carefully. 'Mismanagement' we use carefully, 'crisis' we use carefully. I will carefully measure my words and ask him to press on his Conservative masters to address the woeful underfunding of public services. I agree with the Labour Minister on that. But, she cannot hide behind that reality, because she has a responsibility to deliver for the NHS in Wales. As Llyr Gruffydd said, she cannot abdicate responsibility. I'll finish with a quote from the world of business. The first half says, 'Management is about doing things right.' I've accused Labour again today, as I have many times in the past, of being too managerial in its approach to running the NHS. So, management is about doing things right. Sadly, Welsh Government all too often has not been getting some of the key things right. But, there's a second half to that quote: 'Management is about doing things right; leadership is about doing the right things.' We need the right things done now more than ever. That's the leadership people want to see from Welsh Government. That means doing things differently, admitting there's a crisis, or this crisis will only deepen.
Welsh: Nid oes gennyf ddigon o amser i ddisgrifio'r niwed y credaf y byddai cael y Ceidwadwyr wrth y llyw yn ei achosi i'r gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol. Fe symudaf ymlaen yn gyflym, ac yn ôl at y sylwadau a glywsom gan y Gweinidog iechyd, a oedd unwaith eto'n osgoi'r bai, dro ar ôl tro, a dywedodd fod y galw wedi bod yn ddigynsail. Wrth gwrs fod y galw'n ddigynsail, ond mae'r galw digynsail hwnnw'n rhan o'r hyn sy'n creu'r argyfwng. Mae'n fethiant i ymdrin â'r galw digynsail hwnnw, a'r ffactorau hynny sydd wedi arwain at y galw digynsail hwnnw a blynyddoedd o gamreoli'r agenda ataliol y mae gwir angen inni weld newid gêr arni neu byddwn yn ôl yma ymhen 25 mlynedd eto yn siarad am yr un problemau. Roedd y Gweinidog am roi'r bai ar y cytundeb cydweithio. Mae yna reswm da iawn pam fod iechyd - . Mae gofal cymdeithasol, yn sicr iawn, yn y cytundeb cydweithio. Mae rheswm da iawn pam nad yw iechyd yno, gan ein bod yn anghytuno â dull Llywodraeth Cymru o ymdrin ag iechyd, a dyna pam na allwn gytuno ar ffordd ymlaen ar hynny. Ond gwrthododd y Gweinidog ddefnyddio'r gair 'argyfwng', gan fabwysiadu agwedd debyg i'r Prif Weinidog wythnos yn ôl: 'Weithiau mae'n teimlo fel argyfwng', 'Mae yna ddyddiau pan fo'n wael.' Roedd Carolyn Thomas yn hapus i gyfaddef bod yna argyfwng yng Nghymru, fel yng ngweddill y DU, fel y dywedodd. Fe glywsom eich arweinydd Llafur, Syr Keir Starmer, yn dweud heddiw fod yna argyfwng iechyd, a galwodd ar Rishi Sunak i roi'r gorau i feio eraill ac ysgwyddo rhywfaint o gyfrifoldeb a chyfaddef bod y GIG, o dan ei oruchwyliaeth ef, mewn argyfwng. Wel, o dan eich goruchwyliaeth chi, mae'r GIG mewn argyfwng yng Nghymru, ac mae'n fy mhoeni'n fawr na wnewch chi gyfaddef hynny. Sylwadau pwysig iawn gan Cefin Campbell, a ddywedodd na ddylem byth dderbyn normaleiddio cyflwr presennol y GIG. Mae hynny'n golygu peidio â derbyn bod yn rhaid iddi fod fel hyn. Mae hynny'n golygu derbyn bod y rhain yn amseroedd eithriadol ac felly, fod angen inni gamu i'r adwy, ei dderbyn am yr hyn ydyw, sef argyfwng. Gallwch ei alw'n 'emergency' os hoffwch - yr un gair ydyw yn Gymraeg. Ond mae angen inni gael y cyfaddefiad fod rhaid i rywbeth gwahanol ddigwydd. Fel finnau, nid oedd Russell George yn bychanu maint yr her. Fe wnaeth y pwynt hefyd ein bod yn defnyddio geiriau'n ofalus. Rydym yn defnyddio 'camreoli' yn ofalus, rydym yn defnyddio 'argyfwng' yn ofalus. Fe wnaf fesur fy ngeiriau'n ofalus a gofyn iddo bwyso ar ei feistri Ceidwadol i fynd i'r afael â'r modd truenus y caiff gwasanaethau cyhoeddus eu tanariannu. Rwy'n cytuno â'r Gweinidog Llafur ar hynny. Ond ni all guddio y tu ôl i'r realiti, oherwydd mae ganddi gyfrifoldeb i gyflawni ar gyfer y GIG yng Nghymru. Fel y dywedodd Llyr Gruffydd, ni all ymwrthod â'r cyfrifoldeb. Rwyf am orffen gyda dyfyniad o fyd busnes. Mae'r hanner cyntaf yn dweud, 'Mae rheoli'n ymwneud â gwneud pethau'n iawn.' Rwyf wedi cyhuddo Llafur eto heddiw, fel y gwneuthum sawl gwaith yn y gorffennol, o fod yn rhy reolaethol yn ei dull o redeg y GIG. Felly, mae rheolaeth yn ymwneud â gwneud pethau'n iawn. Yn anffodus, yn rhy aml nid yw Llywodraeth Cymru wedi bod yn gwneud rhai o'r pethau allweddol yn iawn. Ond mae yna ail hanner i'r dyfyniad: 'Mae rheolaeth yn ymwneud â gwneud pethau'n iawn; mae arweinyddiaeth yn ymwneud â gwneud y pethau iawn.' Mae angen gwneud y pethau iawn nawr yn fwy nag erioed. Dyna'r arweinyddiaeth y mae pobl eisiau ei gweld gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Mae hynny'n golygu gwneud pethau'n wahanol, gan gyfaddef ei bod hi'n argyfwng, neu bydd yr argyfwng yn dyfnhau.