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English: Well, once again, it's difficult to say exactly without knowing what the proposals are. Generally speaking, if the arrangements work as they currently do in Westminster with the speaker's committee there, then we don't anticipate additional costs that couldn't be included in the day-to-day running costs of the Commission. There will be an issue of additional scrutiny and it depends if a new committee is established, and so on and so forth, but, generally speaking, these are the kinds of changes that we would consider as being part of our day-to-day adaptations in any case.
Welsh: Wel, unwaith eto, mae e'n anodd dweud yn union heb wybod beth yw'r cynnig. Yn gyffredinol, os yw'r trefniadau'n gweithio fel y maen nhw yn San Steffan gyda'r speaker's committee yn fanna, yna dŷn ni ddim yn rhagweld y bydd yna gostau ychwanegol na ellir eu cynnwys yng nghostau dydd-i-ddydd y Comisiwn. Bydd e'n fater o graffu ychwanegol ac mae'n dibynnu a fydd yna bwyllgor newydd yn cael ei sefydlu neu beth bynnag, ond yn gyffredinol, dyma'r math o newidiadau y byddem ni'n eu hystyried fel rhan o'n haddasiadau dydd-i-ddydd ni beth bynnag.
English: And part of the core costs without there being additional costs.
Welsh: Ac yn rhan o gostau craidd heb fod yn gostau ychwanegol.
English: Indeed.
Welsh: Yn union.
English: We're going through a process of change, whatever the change will be, and I'm comfortable with the costs that you've proposed as it happens. I think there are other things that I'd like to see being done in addition to what's before us, but I do take it that that's a discussion for another day. But, I also take it that you will have and that you have in place a process of reviewing this change. So, you're not just controlling the costs as you've described to us this morning, but you expect to look back as well and consider that and review that process of change.
Welsh: Dŷn ni'n mynd drwy broses o newid, beth bynnag ydy'r newid yn mynd i fod, a dwi'n gyfforddus iawn gyda'r costau dŷch chi wedi eu cynnig i ni fel mae'n digwydd. Dwi'n credu bod yna bethau eraill licien i eu gweld yn cael eu gwneud sydd yn ychwanegol at beth sydd o'n blaen ni, ond dwi'n cymryd bod hynny'n sgwrs ar gyfer rhywbryd arall. Ond, dwi'n cymryd hefyd y byddwch chi a bod gyda chi mewn lle broses o adolygu'r newid yma. So, dŷch chi ddim jest yn rheoli costau fel dŷch chi wedi ei ddisgrifio i ni'r bore yma, ond dŷch chi'n disgwyl edrych yn ôl hefyd ac yn ystyried hynny ac yn adolygu'r broses o newid.
English: Part of the approach that we've adopted to the costs, as they've been set out in the explanatory memorandum, is to facilitate post-legislative scrutiny, and carrying out that kind of review. I would welcome and expect that. Obviously, in terms of Commission cost, we will be reporting on those in the usual manner, and they will be scrutinised by the Public Accounts Committee. Therefore, we will be able to look back at those costs in the course of business and also, in the longer term, in looking at the effect of the legislation on our constitutional and electoral arrangements. That will be something that can be looked at in the longer term. But in the Commission we will do everything we can to facilitate that kind of exercise.
Welsh: Rhan o'r agwedd rŷn ni wedi'i gymryd at y costau fel maen nhw wedi cael eu mynegi yn y memorandwm esboniadol yw hwyluso craffu ôl-ddeddfwriaethol, a gwneud y math yna o adolygiad. Mi fyddwn i'n croesawu ac yn disgwyl hynny. Yn amlwg, o safbwynt costau'r Comisiwn, mi fyddwn ni'n adrodd ar y rheini yn y ffordd arferol, ac mi fydd y rheini'n cael eu craffu gan y Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus. Felly, bydd modd inni edrych nôl ar y costau hynny yng nghwrs busnes, a hefyd, yn fwy hirdymor, wrth gwrs, edrych ar ganlyniadau'r ddeddfwriaeth ar ein trefniadau cyfansoddiadol ac etholiadol ni. Bydd hwnna'n rhywbeth i edrych arno fe yn fwy yn yr hirdymor. Ond yn sicr, mi wnawn ni yn y Comisiwn bopeth y gallwn ni i hwyluso'r math yna o ymarferiad.
English: I am comfortable with that.
Welsh: Dwi'n gyfforddus gyda hynny.
English: Okay. Could I just ask, then, what discussions you've had with the Llywydd and the Welsh Government in terms of implementing the recommendations of the Law Commission?
Welsh: Ocê. A gaf i jest ofyn pa drafodaethau ŷch chi wedi'u cael gyda'r Llywydd a Llywodraeth Cymru ynghylch costau gweithredu argymhellion Comisiwn y Gyfraith?
English: Well, I do know that the team supporting the Llywydd in preparing this Bill have been speaking to Government officials. The costs of the provisions contained within the Bill are clearly small. If the Bill is passed as currently drafted and these powers are implemented, then it will be a matter for Government Ministers, and responding to any such developments will again be part of the core costs of the Assembly. It will be a matter of business as usual, and responding to additional scrutiny costs for the future.
Welsh: Wel, dwi'n gwybod bod y tîm sy'n cefnogi'r Llywydd yn paratoi'r Bil yma wedi bod yn siarad gyda swyddogion y Llywodraeth. Mae'r costau'r ddarpariaeth sydd yn y Bil yn amlwg yn fychan iawn. Os bydd y Bil yn cael ei basio fel y mae e, a bod y grymoedd yma yn cael eu gweithredu, yna mater i Weinidogion y Llywodraeth fydd hynny, ac mi fydd ymateb i unrhyw ddatblygiadau fel yna, unwaith eto, yn rhan o gostau creiddiol y Cynulliad. Mi fydd hi'n fater o fusnes fel arfer, dydd i ddydd, yn ymateb i gostau craffu ychwanegol gallai ddod yn y dyfodol.
English: Because the opinion of the Welsh Government is that the Assembly rather than the Welsh Government should lead on the work of developing these changes. Do you feel that you would have the resources and the time to do that?
Welsh: Achos barn Llywodraeth Cymru yw mai'r Cynulliad, yn hytrach na Llywodraeth Cymru, ddylai arwain y gwaith o ddatblygu'r newidiadau yma. Ydych chi'n teimlo, petai hynny'n digwydd, fod gennych chi'r adnoddau a'r amser angenrheidiol i'w wneud e?
English: Well, as I said, in my day-to-day job I have a statutory duty, indeed, to ensure that the Assembly has the necessary resource to carry out its functions, and we will continue to do that. I'm confident that we will be able to respond if that were to happen.
Welsh: Wel, fel roeddwn i'n dweud, fy swydd i bob dydd yw gwneud yn siŵr bod yr adnoddau yma. Mae gen i ddyletswydd statudol i wneud yn siŵr bod yr adnoddau gan y Cynulliad i wneud ei waith, ac mi fyddwn ni'n parhau i wneud hynny. Dwi'n hyderus y byddwn i'n gallu ymateb petai hynny yn digwydd.
English: Do Members have any further questions, or are we content with that? Okay. Thank you very much for joining us and thank you for the evidence. Evidently, there will be an opportunity for you to check the transcript to ensure that everything has been expressed in the way that you had hoped. Thank you very much for joining us. The committee will take a short break now, until 10:20. Thank you very much.
Welsh: A oes gan Aelodau unrhyw gwestiynau pellach, neu ydyn ni'n hapus gyda hynny? Iawn. Wel, gaf i ddiolch o galon i chi am ddod atom ni? Diolch am eich tystiolaeth. Yn amlwg, fe fydd cyfle i chi wirio'r trawsgrifiad i wneud yn siŵr bod y cyfan wedi'i fynegi yn y modd yr oeddech chi wedi'i obeithio. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am ddod atom ni. Mi wnaiff y pwyllgor dorri nawr tan 10:20. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Welcome back to the Finance Committee at the National Assembly. Could I welcome our next witnesses? I welcome in particular Elin Jones, the Llywydd, and her officials Tom Jackson and Anna Daniel. Welcome to you all. If you're happy, we will go straight into questions. I'll start, if I may. Our evidence sessions with the Welsh Government, the Electoral Commission and the Assembly Commission have highlighted how they have inputted the costs for their organisations. What assessment did you undertake to consider how reasonable those estimates are?
Welsh: Croeso nôl i Bwyllgor Cyllid y Cynulliad. Gaf i groesawu ein tystion nesaf ni? Rwy'n croesawu'n arbennig Elin Jones, y Llywydd, a'i swyddogion, Tom Jackson ac Anna Daniel. Croeso i chi i gyd. Os ŷch chi'n hapus, awn ni'n syth i gwestiynau. Mi gychwynnaf i, os caf i. Mae ein sesiynau tystiolaeth ni gyda Llywodraeth Cymru, y Comisiwn Etholiadol a Chomisiwn y Cynulliad wedi dangos sut y maen nhw wedi mewnbynnu costau ar gyfer eu sefydliadau nhw. Gaf i ofyn pa asesiad wnaethoch chi er mwyn profi pa mor rhesymol oedd yr asesiadau hynny ganddyn nhw?
English: Well, you're right to say that collaboration between us and those bodies has been very close, because of the nature of what stems from this Bill, and particularly from the perspective of extending the franchise to 16 and 17-year-olds, given that local authorities, in particular, and the Electoral Commission, are going to be a central part of implementing that, with the Welsh Government as well. So, we have accepted a number of the cost estimates - because they are the experts and the people who will be implementing this - from those bodies. We have discussed those costs with those bodies and we're quite confident that what we've received and what we've set out in the -
Welsh: Wel, rŷch chi'n gywir i ddweud bod y cydweithio rhyngom ni a'r cyrff hynny wedi bod yn agos iawn oherwydd natur yr hyn sydd yn deillio o'r Mesur yma, ac yn enwedig o safbwynt yr etholfraint ac ymestyn yr etholfraint i bobl ifanc 16 a 17 oed, gan fod llywodraeth leol yn enwedig, a'r Comisiwn Etholiadol, yn mynd i fod yn rhan ganolog o weithredu ar hynny, gyda Llywodraeth Cymru hefyd. Felly, rŷn ni wedi derbyn nifer o'r asesiadau costau - gan taw nhw yw'r arbenigwyr a'r bobl fydd yn gweithredu ar hyn - oddi wrth y cyrff yna. Rŷn ni wedi trafod y costau hynny gyda'r cyrff hynny ac rŷn ni'n weddol o hyderus bod yr hyn rŷn ni wedi ei dderbyn a'i gyflwyno yn yr -
English: The regulatory impact assessment.
Welsh: Yr asesiad effaith reoleiddiol.
English: Yes, the RIA - thank you - that it is as close as possible to what we foresee will happen. In terms of the detailed discussion and the more detailed assessment of the costs, I'll ask maybe Tom or Anna to respond on that. Which of you would like to contribute?
Welsh: Asesiad effaith, ie - diolch - bod hynny mor agos ac y gallwn ni fod at yr hyn rŷn ni'n rhagweld fydd yn digwydd. Efallai o ran y drafodaeth fanwl a ddigwyddodd a'r asesiad mwy manwl ar y costau hynny, fe wna i gyfeirio at naill ai Tom neu Anna i ymateb ar hynny. P'un ohonoch chi sy'n gwneud?
English: I'll respond on that. We also used costs based on a report carried out by the Electoral Commission in 2011 to assess costs related to running elections. We are confident that those are the best costs - the most comprehensive ones that have been produced to date on the costs of elections.
Welsh: Gwnaf i ymateb ar hynny. Fe wnaethon ni hefyd ddefnyddio costau yn seiliedig ar adroddiad wnaeth y Comisiwn Etholiadol yn 2011 ar gyfer asesu costau yn ymwneud â rhedeg etholiadau. Dŷn ni'n hyderus mai'r rheini ydy'r costau gorau fedrwn ni eu defnyddio - y rhai mwyaf cynhwysfawr sydd wedi eu cynhyrchu hyd yn hyn ar gostau etholiadau.
English: But they would have dated considerably since 2011, of course.
Welsh: Ond mi fyddai'r rheini wedi dyddio tipyn ers 2011, wrth gwrs.
English: Yes, but we still believe that these - . That's the only report produced that includes a broad range of electoral costs, including the costs in terms of running an election, the team, postage, design - all sorts of other things. So, we still believe that that's the best basis for the explanatory memorandum.
Welsh: Bydden, ond dŷn ni dal yn credu mai'r rhain ydy - . Hwnna ydy'r unig adroddiad sydd wedi ei gynhyrchu sydd yn cynnwys ystod eang o gostau etholiadau, sydd yn cynnwys costau rhedeg etholiad o ran tîm, costau postio, dylunio - yr holl gostau. Felly, dŷn ni'n credu mai hwnna o hyd yw'r sail gorau ar gyfer y memorandwm esboniadol.
English: Okay. Thank you. Did you consult specifically in terms of the cost implications for other organisations that may be affected by the Bill?
Welsh: Iawn. Diolch yn fawr. A wnaethoch chi ymgynghori yn benodol, felly, ynglŷn â goblygiadau cost i unrhyw sefydliadau eraill y gallai'r Bil fod yn effeithio arnyn nhw?
English: Other organisations?
Welsh: Sefydliadau eraill?
English: Yes, we consulted with local authorities, the Electoral Commission -
Welsh: Do, fe wnaethon ni ymgynghori gyda llywodraeth leol, y Comisiwn Etholiadol -
English: I'm sorry - I'm talking about going beyond those that are mentioned.
Welsh: Mae'n ddrwg gen i - tu hwnt i'r rhai sydd yn cael eu crybwyll.
English: Yes, we did have discussions with some other partners, but in terms of identifying who exactly would bear those costs, I think we have focused on those who will be responsible for implementing the policy, if you like - so, local government and the Electoral Commission are the main partners, along with the Welsh Government.
Welsh: Do, mi fuon ni'n trafod gyda rhai partneriaid eraill, ond o ran darganfod ar bwy yn union fydd y costau yna'n disgyn, dwi'n credu ein bod ni wedi ffocysu ar y rheini fydd yn gyfrifol am 'implement-o' y polisi, os hoffwch chi - felly, llywodraeth leol a'r Comisiwn Etholiadol ydy'r prif bartneriaid, a Llywodraeth Cymru.
English: Local authorities, of course, will have to carry the greatest burden in terms of the cost that will emanate from this Bill. To what extent was the accuracy of these costs and the burden they involve discussed directly with local authorities themselves?
Welsh: Llywodraeth leol, wrth gwrs, sydd yn mynd i fod yn cario'r baich mwyaf o safbwynt y costau sydd yn deillio yn sgil y Bil yma. I ba raddau gafodd cywirdeb y costau yma ac, yn wir, baich y costau yma eu trafod yn uniongyrchol gydag awdurdodau lleol eu hunain?
English: The main costs of this Bill relate to extending the franchise to 16 and 17-year-olds, and, course, local government administers those elections and the canvass for the franchise. So, yes, naturally, that burden will fall on local authorities. Of course, we have been having discussions with local government and election officers particularly who lead on that aspect, and therefore there has been a discussion that continues with them in terms of collaboration on how various elements of this Bill will be implemented. But in terms of the discussion specifically with local government -
Welsh: Mae prif gostau'r Bil yma yn ymwneud ag ymestyn yr etholfraint i oed 16 ac 17, ac wrth gwrs llywodraeth leol sydd yn gweinyddu'r etholiadau hynny a'r canfas ar gyfer yr etholfraint. Felly, ie, yn naturiol, ar lywodraeth leol mae'r byrdwn yna yn cwympo. Ac wrth gwrs, rŷn ni wedi bod yn trafod gyda llywodraeth leol, y swyddogion etholiadau yn benodol sydd yn arwain ar hynny, ac felly mae yna drafodaeth wedi bod ac yn parhau gyda nhw o ran cydweithio ar sut fydd gwahanol elfennau o'r Mesur yma yn cael eu rhoi ar waith. O ran y drafodaeth gyda llywodraeth leol yn benodol -
English: Some of the figures suggest that a standard local authority cost has been multiplied by 22 local authorities. Evidently, the cost would vary, I would suspect, from one local authority to another, because of specific characteristics. So, is there a risk that perhaps that isn't accurate enough? Or is it too simplistic to multiply it 22 times?
Welsh: Ocê. Mae rhai o'r ffigurau'n awgrymu efallai bod cost awdurdod lleol safonol wedi cael ei luosogi 22 o weithiau. Yn amlwg, mi fyddai costau'n amrywio o un - byddwn i'n tybio - awdurdod lleol i'r llall oherwydd nodweddion penodol. Felly, oes yna risg bod hynny efallai ddim cweit yn ddigon cywir? Ydy e'n rhy simplistig i luosogi â 22?
English: Well, generally speaking that's true in terms of how the costs have been drawn up. There are examples, of course, where that isn't the case. In the context of the name change, for example, costs would be greater on a council such as Cardiff because this place is located in Cardiff, and that would have a greater impact there than it would elsewhere. So, the cost assessments do reflect that to a certain extent. But in terms of the franchise, then what you have described is more applicable in those terms.
Welsh: Wel, yn gyffredinol mae hynny'n wir o ran sut mae'r costau wedi cael eu dylunio. Mae yna enghreifftiau, wrth gwrs, lle dyw hynny ddim yn wir. Er enghraifft, yng nghyd-destun newid enw, mae yna gostau mwy yn cwympo ar gyngor fel Caerdydd, oherwydd bod y lle yma yng Nghaerdydd, na beth sydd ar rai o'r awdurdodau eraill. Felly, mae'r asesiad costau'n adlewyrchu rhyw gymaint o hynny. Ond o ran yr etholfraint, yna mae'r hyn rŷch chi wedi'i ddisgrifio'n fwy cywir o ran hynny.
English: You referred to the name change earlier. You have set a legal date for the name change of 6 May 2020. The impact assessment makes assumptions that the remuneration board would direct Members not to do that until 2021. Have they given you a steer that that would be their intention, or is it your assumption?
Welsh: Ocê. Fe wnaethoch chi gyfeirio at newid yr enw gynnau, wrth gwrs. Rŷch chi wedi penodi dyddiad arfaethedig ar gyfer newid yr enw, sef 6 Mai 2020. Mae'r asesiad effaith yn rhagdybio y byddai'r bwrdd taliadau yn dweud wrth Aelodau am beidio ag arddel hynny, i bob pwrpas, tan 2021. Ydyn nhw wedi rhoi arweiniad i chi mai dyna fyddai eu bwriad nhw neu ydy hynny jest yn rhagdybiaeth gennych chi?
English: It is our assumption in drawing up the costs for this Bill, and therefore it's a matter for decision by the remuneration board. They will make that decision in due time, if this legislation comes into force, on what would be reasonable, from their perspective, in terms of expenditure by Members. Therefore, we have made an assumption that this is a reasonable approach and could be reasonably assumed there would only be one year left of the term for any Member. But ultimately, it is a matter for the remuneration board. If memory serves me rightly, the expenditure would be some £30,000.
Welsh: Rhagdybiaeth gennym ni yw e o ran datblygu'r costau ar gyfer y Mesur yma, ac felly mater i'w benderfynu gan y bwrdd taliadau fydd hynny. Felly, fe fyddan nhw'n penderfynu maes o law, os bydd y ddeddfwriaeth yma'n dod i rym, beth fydd yn rhesymol o'u safbwynt nhw o ran gwariant gan Aelodau. Felly, rŷm ni wedi rhagdybio taw o bosib fel hyn gellid bod yn gweithredu ar hyn, o bosib taw hyn sy'n rhesymol i feddwl gan taw dim ond blwyddyn fyddai ar ôl o dymor unrhyw Aelod. Ond yn y pen draw, mae'n fater i'r bwrdd taliadau. Os ydw i'n cofio'n iawn, rhyw £30,000 neu rywbeth o wariant fyddai hynny yn sgil hyn.
English: Wouldn't it be tidier to have one date that corresponds to the next election? Because the significance of the name change is one that I feel many Members would be eager to reflect in signage and so forth, rather than wait until 2021.
Welsh: Oni fyddai'n daclusach i gael un dyddiad sy'n cyfateb i'r etholiad nesaf? Hynny yw, mae arwyddocâd newid enw, rwy'n siŵr, yn un dwi'n teimlo y byddai nifer o Aelodau'n awyddus i adlewyrchu mewn arwyddion, ac yn y blaen, yn hytrach nag aros tan ar ôl 2021.
English: Well, it would be interesting to know what the views of this committee and any other committees are on this. It strikes me, in terms of being prudent with public funds, that there is an element of waste if someone either weren't to stand for the 2021 election but wished to change their sign for a year only, or someone who loses an election in 2021, and that sign would have to change at that point in any case. So, my view was that we should take that more prudent approach in that regard, but perhaps the remuneration board and your committee will take a different view.
Welsh: Wel, bydd e'n ddiddorol i wybod beth yw barn y pwyllgor yma ac unrhyw bwyllgor arall ar hyn. Mae'n fy nharo i, o ran bod yn ddarbodus ar arian cyhoeddus, fod yna elfen efallai o wastraff arian cyhoeddus os byddai rhywun naill ai ddim yn sefyll ar gyfer etholiad 2021 ond yn dymuno newid yr arwydd am flwyddyn yn unig, neu ychwaith rywun sy'n colli etholiad yn 2021, ac mae'r arwydd yna'n gorfod newid ar y pwynt yna beth bynnag. Felly, fy marn i oedd i ddilyn y trywydd mwy darbodus yn hyn o beth, ond efallai bydd y bwrdd taliadau ac efallai eich pwyllgor chi hefyd yn cymryd barn wahanol.
English: There have been concerns expressed about this whole process of changing the name as part -
Welsh: Mae yna bryderon wedi cael eu mynegi, wrth gwrs, ynglŷn â'r holl broses o newid enw ac yn y blaen fel rhan -
English: On 6 May next year - . At present, I use alun.davies@assembly.wales or @cynulliad.cymru. Does the Commission - ? Do you own another domain - so, parliament.wales or senedd.cymru? You have that in place, do you?
Welsh: Ar 6 Mai y flwyddyn nesaf - . Ar hyn o bryd, dwi'n defnyddio alun.davies@assembly.wales neu @cynulliad.cymru, beth bynnag. Oes gyda'r Comisiwn - ? Ydych chi'n berchen ar domain arall - so, parliament.wales neu senedd.cymru? Mae gyda chi hynny yn ei le, ie?
English: Yes, all of those domains are available for our use, depending on the decision on the name -
Welsh: Ydyn, mae'r holl domains yna ar gael i ni i'w defnyddio, yn dibynnu ar beth yw'r penderfyniad ar yr enw -
English: It is available. If memory serves me correctly, all of these potential domains have been obtained - I think by the UK Government. Or is it by ourselves?
Welsh: Mae nhw ar gael. Os ydw i'n cofio'n iawn, mae'r cyfan o'r domains potensial yma wedi cael eu prynu - dwi'n meddwl gan Lywodraeth y Deyrnas Gyfunol. Neu ni?
English: They were transferred from the Westminster Parliament. So, Claire Clancy was in touch with the Clerk to ask for their transfer when we knew that there was potential to change the name here, to ensure that we could have those domains.
Welsh: Cawson nhw eu trosglwyddo o Senedd San Steffan i ni. Felly, bu Claire Clancy mewn cysylltiad â'r Clerc i ofyn am drosglwyddo nhw pan oedden ni'n gwybod bod yna botensial i newid yr enw fan hyn, i sicrhau ein bod ni'n medru cael y domains yna.
English: And, of course, it's possible to use two e-mail addresses that would be directed to the same place. So, you could use the names 'Assembly' and 'Senedd' simultaneously.
Welsh: Ac, wrth gwrs, mae'n bosibl defnyddio dau gyfeiriad sy'n mynd i'r un lle. So, mae'n bosibl defnyddio'r enw 'Cynulliad' a'r enw 'Senedd' ar yr un pryd.
English: As happened with the previous change - both were live for a period of time. But there is a question as to how you respond more generally to comments on the whole costs emanating from the name change in a period of austerity such as this one.
Welsh: Fel ddigwyddodd yn y newid diwethaf - roedd y ddau yn fyw am gyfnod. Ond mae yna gwestiwn ynglŷn â sut dŷch chi'n ymateb yn fwy cyffredinol i sylwadau ynglŷn â'r holl gostau sy'n deillio o newid enw ar gyfnod o gyni fel hyn.