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English: The Government needs to do that?
Welsh: Y Llywodraeth sydd angen gwneud hynny?
English: Yes, so that we can continue with that work.
Welsh: Ie, er mwyn i ni wedyn gario ymlaen efo fo.
English: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to this meeting of the Finance Committee. Could I welcome Members to the meeting? Could I note also that the headsets are available for translation or for sound amplification? Could I remind Members to ensure that any electronic devices are on silent, and can I ask if Members have any interests to declare? No. Fine. Thank you very much. Before starting, could I just take this opportunity to thank members of the committee and also the clerking team and the legal team of the committee for all their support around the Public Services Ombudsman (Wales) Bill? You know that the Bill passed Stage 4 yesterday, and I think that it's very appropriate that we note our thanks to current members and previous members and Chairs of this committee for their work in taking the Bill through the Senedd. So, thank you to all of you. We'll await Royal Assent, and then of course the Bill will become operational.
Welsh: Bore da, bawb. Croeso i gyfarfod y Pwyllgor Cyllid. Gaf i groesawu Aelodau i'r cyfarfod? Gaf i nodi hefyd fod yna glustffonau ar gael ar gyfer offer cyfieithu neu ar gyfer addasu lefel y sain? Gaf i atgoffa Aelodau hefyd i ddiffodd y sain ar unrhyw ddyfeisiadau electronig, a gaf i ofyn a oes gan unrhyw Aelodau fudd i'w ddatgan? Iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Cyn cychwyn hefyd, gaf i jest achub ar y cyfle yma i ddiolch i aelodau'r pwyllgor yma a hefyd i dîm clercio a thîm cyfreithiol y pwyllgor am eu holl gefnogaeth o gwmpas Bil Ombwdsmon Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus (Cymru)? Fe fyddwch chi'n gwybod bod y Bil wedi pasio Cyfnod 4 ddoe, a dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n gwbl addas ein bod ni'n nodi ein diolch i aelodau presennol ac aelodau a Chadeiryddion blaenorol y pwyllgor yma am eu gwaith nhw yn mynd â'r Bil drwy'r Senedd. Felly, diolch i bob un ohonoch chi. Mi arhoswn ni am Gydsyniad Brenhinol, ac wedyn wrth gwrs mi fydd y Bil yn dod yn weithredol.
English: There are some papers to note. You will see in your pack the minutes of the meeting held on 13 March and a letter from the Wales Audit Office about proposed changes in the audit arrangements. Are you happy to note those? Thank you.
Welsh: Mae yna bapurau i'w nodi. Mi welwch chi yn eich pecyn gopi o gofnodion o gyfarfod y 13 Mawrth a llythyr gan Swyddfa Archwilio Cymru ynglŷn â newid arfaethedig yn y trefniadau archwilio. Ydych chi'n hapus i nodi'r rheini? Iawn, diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: We will move on, therefore, to the main session this morning, which is a scrutiny session on the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill. We welcome the Counsel General, Jeremy Miles - welcome - and also Chris Warner and Angharad Thomas-Richards, who are officials supporting the Counsel General this morning. The Members have also had a briefing from the expert adviser that we have as a committee on this issue, Dr Toby James, and we're thankful for his support, and that support will continue, of course, as we hear evidence in the sessions to come in the future. So, we'll move straight onto questions, if that's okay, and I'll start, if I may, Counsel General, by asking, or by making the comment that the Welsh Government has previously commented on the approach to and quality of costings of non-governmental Bills, if you like. You've made comments on how those costs have been estimated and the quality of those estimates at times. But in the context of this Bill, given that this is a non-governmental Bill, do you have any comments or concerns in terms of the financial implications of the Bill?
Welsh: Ymlaen â ni, felly, at brif sesiwn y bore yma, sef sesiwn graffu ar Fil Senedd ac Etholiadau (Cymru). Rŷm ni'n croesawu'r Cwnsler Cyffredinol, Jeremy Miles, atom ni - croeso - a hefyd Chris Warner ac Angharad Thomas-Richards, sy'n swyddogion sy'n cefnogi'r Cwnsler Cyffredinol y bore yma. Mae'r Aelodau wedi hefyd dderbyn briff gan gynghorydd arbenigol sydd gennym ni fel pwyllgor ar y mater yma, sef Dr Toby James, ac rŷm ni'n ddiolchgar iddo fe am ei gefnogaeth ac mi fydd y gefnogaeth honno'n parhau, wrth gwrs, wrth i ni glywed tystiolaeth yn y sesiynau sydd i ddod yn y dyfodol. Felly, fe awn ni'n syth at gwestiynau, os ydy hynny'n iawn, ac mi wnaf i gychwyn, os caf i, Gwnsler Cyffredinol, drwy ofyn, neu drwy wneud y sylw, efallai, fod y Llywodraeth wedi gwneud sylwadau yn y gorffennol ynglŷn â'r ffordd mae costau Biliau sydd ddim yn dod gan y Llywodraeth, Biliau sy'n dod yn anllywodraethol, os liciwch chi - rŷch chi wedi gwneud sylwadau ynglŷn â sut mae costau'r rheini wedi cael eu hamcangyfrif, ac ansawdd yr amcangyfrifon hynny ar adegau. Ond yng nghyd-destun y Bil yma, felly, gan fod hwn hefyd yn anllywodraethol, a oes gennych chi unrhyw sylwadau neu bryderon ynghylch goblygiadau ariannol y Bil yma?
English: The Bill, as you mentioned, is a Commission Bill, rather than a Government Bill. We have no further comments to make at the moment, in terms of the financial implications. They appear to be reasonable and are evidence based, so no comments at the moment.
Welsh: Wel, fel dŷch chi'n sôn, Bil Comisiwn yw hwn, nid Bil Llywodraeth. Does gennym ni ddim sylwadau pellach i wneud ar hyn o bryd ynglŷn â'r goblygiadau ariannol. Maen nhw'n ymddangos yn rhesymol ac yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth addas, felly dim sylwadau ar hyn o bryd, yn bendant.
English: No, that's fine. Thank you. So, do you think that the Bill represents value for money, and if so, why? And if not, why?
Welsh: Na, mae hynny'n iawn. Diolch yn fawr. Wedyn, ydych chi'n credu bod y Bil yn sicrhau gwerth am arian, ac os ydych chi, pam? Neu os ddim, pam?
English: Broadly speaking, yes. I think that there will be major improvements as a result of the Bill, and the investment related to making those differences, making those reforms, is justifiable. The total of the costs in the first two years will be £300,000 - a bit less than that - and then, after that, it will be year-on-year costs, which wouldn't be particularly substantial. So, in looking at the bigger picture, we believe it does provide value for money.
Welsh: Ydw, yn fras. Dwi'n credu bod gwelliannau sylweddol yn dod yn sgil y Bil, ac mae'r buddsoddiad sydd ynghlwm wrth wneud y gwahaniaethau yna, gwneud y diwygiadau hynny, yn un gellid ei gyfiawnhau, felly. Mae'r cyfrif o'r costau yn y ddwy flynedd gyntaf tua £300,000 - ychydig yn llai na hynny - ac wedyn, ar ôl hynny, costau o flwyddyn i flwyddyn sydd ddim yn rhai sylweddol iawn, felly. Felly, rŷm ni'n credu, wrth edrych ar y darlun cyflawn, ei fod yn cynnig gwerth am arian.
English: Okay, thank you. Are there any other areas that need further work or consideration, in your opinion, before there is a financial resolution on the Bill?
Welsh: Ocê, diolch yn fawr. Oes yna unrhyw feysydd rŷch chi'n credu bod angen gwaith neu ystyriaeth bellach arnyn nhw, yn eich barn chi, cyn cyflwyno penderfyniad ariannol y Bil?
English: Well, in sitting here today, I don't see why we wouldn't introduce that. But of course there may be changes and amendments at ensuing stages, and there will be comments made by committees at the scrutiny stages, so we will have to look at the situation after that process. But sitting here today, I can't see any reason why we wouldn't introduce that.
Welsh: Wel, wrth eistedd yma heddiw, dwi ddim yn gweld unrhyw reswm pam fydden ni ddim yn cyflwyno hynny. Ond wrth gwrs, bydd diwygiadau yn dod a gwelliannau yn dod yn y cyfnodau nesaf, ac wrth gwrs sylwadau'r pwyllgorau yn y broses graffu, felly bydd yn rhaid edrych ar bethau ar ôl y broses honno. Ond wrth eistedd yma heddiw, dwi ddim yn gweld unrhyw reswm pam fuasem ni ddim yn cyflwyno hwnna.
English: Okay. Well, it's going well so far, I must say, in terms of your attitude towards the Bill. Do you have any view on whether a sensitivity analysis and ranges should have been used where costs are uncertain? Because that's what the Government usually does, of course, namely give that range, but what we've had here in this Bill is the highest possible cost when there is any doubt about what the cost should be.
Welsh: Ocê. Wel, mae'n mynd yn dda hyd yn hyn, mae'n rhaid imi ddweud, o ran eich agwedd chi tuag at y Bil yn sicr. Oes gennych chi farn o ran a ddylid fod wedi defnyddio dadansoddiad sensitifrwydd ac ystod sensitifrwydd lle bo costau yn ansicr? Oherwydd, dyna beth mae'r Llywodraeth yn ei wneud fel arfer, wrth gwrs, onid e, sef rhoi'r ystod yna, ond beth rŷn ni wedi ei gael fan hyn yn y Bil yma yw efallai'r gost uchaf posibl pan fo yna amheuaeth ynglŷn â beth yw'r gost.
English: Well, of course, it's good practice, generally speaking, to provide a range of costs to demonstrate the possibilities, but taking into account the types of costs that we're discussing here, and the scale of those costs, I do think it is appropriate on this occasion to identify the maximum in a reasonable way. I don't think that a sensitivity analysis would have added much to the kind of analysis we have here. The sums over five years are less than they would be in other Bills. So, I do not think that, in this context, we need a sensitivity analysis process. Of course, in terms of the costs for local government, those will vary from one to the other, depending, for example, on how many 16 and 17-year-old constituents live within that particular authority area. And there are other elements, for example, negotiations between local authorities and those providing software systems, and so on. So, there will be some diversity in that regard. But, looking at the bigger picture, I think that identifying the maximum is appropriate in this area.
Welsh: Wel, wrth gwrs, mae'n arfer da ar y cyfan i allu rhoi range o rifau i ddangos beth yw'r posibiliadau, ond o gymryd i mewn i ystyriaeth y mathau o gostau rŷn ni'n sôn amdanyn nhw fan hyn, a scale y costau, rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n addas ar yr achlysur hwn i ddangos yr uchafswm mwyaf posibl mewn ffordd resymol. Dwi ddim yn credu y buasai dadansoddiad sensitifrwydd wedi ychwanegu ryw lawer i'r math o ddadansoddiad sydd gyda ni fan hyn. Mae'r symiau sydd dros bum mlynedd yn llai nag ŷn nhw mewn Biliau yn gyffredinol, felly dwi ddim yn credu bod angen, yn y cyd-destun hwn, i gael proses o ddadansoddi sensitifrwydd. Wrth gwrs, o ran y costau a fydd yn syrthio ar lywodraeth leol, bydd hynny yn amrywio o un i'r llall, gan ddibynnu, er enghraifft, ar faint o etholwyr 16 ac 17 oed sydd yn byw o fewn cwmpas yr awdurdod lleol. A hefyd, mae elfennau, er enghraifft, negodiadau rhwng awdurdodau lleol a phobl sydd yn darparu systemau meddalwedd, ac ati. Felly, bydd amrywiaeth o fewn hynny. Ond, o edrych ar y darlun cyflawn, rwy'n credu bod dangos yr uchafswm yn addas yn y cyd-destun hwn.
English: Okay. Fine. Thank you. And do you have any comments on the extent of stakeholder engagement in the preparation of estimates for these costs?
Welsh: Ocê. Iawn. Diolch yn fawr. Ac wedyn, a oes gyda chi unrhyw sylwadau ar faint o waith ymgysylltu sydd wedi cael ei wneud gyda rhanddeiliaid wrth baratoi'r amcangyfrifon o gostau yma?
English: Well, I'm aware that the Minister for Housing and Local Government and the Llywydd have met with the Wales Electoral Coordination Board and with others in this area in terms of the electoral arrangements. The issues that have been raised in the context of those discussions, as I understand it, have been taken into account in the Bill. Of course, the Commission has also consulted on this and the Welsh Government has consulted on the element of the local government franchise. So, taking all of that into account, I think that has been an appropriate approach.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n ymwybodol bod y Gweinidog Tai a Llywodraeth Leol a'r Llywydd wedi cwrdd â'r Wales Electoral Coordination Board ac â phobl eraill yn y maes o ran trefniadau etholiadol. Hynny yw, mae'r issues sydd wedi codi yng nghyd-destun y trafodaethau hynny, fel rwy'n deall, wedi cael eu cymryd i mewn i ystyriaeth yn y Bil. Wrth gwrs, mae'r Comisiwn hefyd wedi ymgynghori ar hyn ac mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymgynghori ar yr elfen o franchise llywodraeth leol. Felly, o gymryd hynny i gyd i mewn i ystyriaeth, rwy'n credu bod hynny wedi bod yn addas.
English: Thank you very much. There is work that the Government intends to do on voter awareness when the franchise is changed. There is a figure of just over £200,000 that's mentioned for the cost of that engagement. Is that a figure that you agree with? Also, there are several different bodies who are going to have an interest in taking part in this work. Is there a danger of duplication?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi. Mae gwaith y mae'r Llywodraeth yn bwriadu ei wneud ar godi ymwybyddiaeth pleidleiswyr pan fydd yr etholfraint yn cael ei newid. Mae yna ffigwr o ychydig dros £200,000 yn cael ei grybwyll ar gyfer cost yr ymgysylltu hwnnw. Ydy hwnnw'n ffigwr dŷch chi'n cyd-fynd â fo? Hefyd, mae yna sawl corff gwahanol yn mynd i fod â diddordeb mewn cymryd rhan yn y gwaith yma. A oes yna berig o ddyblygu'n digwydd?
English: You mentioned awareness raising in general. The figures are some £215,000 to £250,000 or £260,000. They appear to be in the right ballpark, but in addition to that, resources will need to be provided in schools and in terms of engaging with people outside the education system who will have the right to vote. I think that involved a budget of around £600,000. In terms of ensuring that there is no duplication, we are working with a panel of external consultants to ensure that we devise a plan that ensures that we reach people without that overlap that you mentioned. The housing and education Ministers have agreed to work closely with the Commission to ensure that this happens in an efficient way.
Welsh: Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am yr elfen o godi ymwybyddiaeth yn gyffredinol. Mae'r ffigurau rhyw £215,000 i £250,000 neu £260,000. Mae'r rheini'n teimlo fel petasen nhw yn y man iawn yn gyffredinol, ond ar ben hynny hefyd bydd angen darparu adnoddau addysgiadol ar gyfer ysgolion a hefyd ar gyfer cyrraedd pobl sydd tu allan i'r system addysg sydd yn mynd i gael yr hawl i bleidleisio. Mae hynny, rwy'n credu, yn rhyw £600,000 o gyllideb. O ran sicrhau bod dim dyblygu, mae hyn yn rhywbeth rydym ni'n gweithio ar y cyd gyda phanel o ymgynghorwyr allanol arno i sicrhau ein bod ni'n dyfeisio cynllun sydd yn sicrhau ei fod e'n cyrraedd pobl ond heb ddyblygu. Hefyd, mae'r Gweinidog tai a'r Gweinidog Addysg wedi cytuno i weithio'n agos gyda'r Comisiwn i sicrhau bod hyn yn digwydd mewn ffordd sy'n effeithlon.
English: How is the Government intending to take part in this work? Because you could say that this is nothing to do with the Government. But, what kind of collaboration will there be between the Government and the Commission on this work of raising awareness?
Welsh: Sut mae'r Llywodraeth yn bwriadu cymryd rhan yn y gwaith yma? Achos fe allech chi ddweud bod hwn ddim byd i wneud efo'r Llywodraeth. Ond, pa fath o gydweithio fydd yna rhwng y Llywodraeth a'r Comisiwn ar y gwaith yma o godi ymwybyddiaeth?
English: That's one of the things that we're asking the external panel to advise us on, so that we ensure that we use the range of methods available to us, and try and be creative in doing so. But also ensuring that we do collaborate with the Commission in doing that.
Welsh: Dyna un o'r pethau rŷn ni'n gofyn i'r panel allanol ein cynghori ni arnynt a'n bod ni'n sicrhau ein bod ni'n defnyddio'r ystod o dechnegau rydym ni'n gallu eu defnyddio, a thrio bod yn greadigol yn gwneud hynny. Ond sicrhau hefyd wrth gwrs ein bod ni, fel rwy'n dweud, yn cydweithio gyda'r Comisiwn.
English: There are organisations that work directly with young people - I'm thinking of the young farmers and the Urdd and many other bodies - who will be very eager to be part of this awareness-raising work. There is evidence that they can be much more effective than the Commission or Government in terms of engaging with young people. Are there possible savings that could be made in contracting groups like that to do a lot of the engagement work?
Welsh: Mae yna sefydliadau sy'n gweithio yn uniongyrchol efo pobl ifanc - dwi'n meddwl am y ffermwyr ifanc a'r Urdd a phob mathau o gyrff eraill - a fydd yn eiddgar, dwi'n siŵr, i fod yn rhan o'r gwaith codi ymwybyddiaeth yma. Mae yna dystiolaeth eu bod nhw'n gallu bod yn llawer mwy effeithiol na'r Comisiwn neu'r Llywodraeth yn ymgysylltu efo pobl ifanc. Oes yna arbedion posib i gael eu gwneud mewn contractio grwpiau fel yna i wneud llawer o'r gwaith ymgysylltu?
English: Those are the very things that we'll be looking at, to ensure that we not only reach people who are still in school, but also those who are outside school but will have the right to vote. It may be easier to get to those using the kinds of organisations that you mentioned.
Welsh: Dyna'n union y math o beth byddwn ni'n edrych arno fe, i sicrhau ein bod ni ddim yn unig yn cyrraedd pobl sydd yn yr ysgol, fel roeddwn i'n dweud, ond y bobl sydd yn mynd i gael yr hawl i bleidleisio, ac efallai ei fod e'n haws eu cyrraedd nhw drwy fudiadau, fel ŷch chi'n sôn nawr.
English: Okay. One broader question perhaps, do you know how much is spent on National Assembly elections, generally, from the public purse?
Welsh: Ocê. Un cwestiwn ehangach o bosib, ydyn ni'n gwybod faint sy'n cael ei wario ar etholiadau Cynulliad Cymru mewn gwirionedd, yn gyffredinol, o'r pwrs cyhoeddus?
English: Well, as I understand it, in 2016, the last election, the cost was £7 million - a little over £3 million going to local government and a little under £4 million to the Royal Mail to pay for postal costs. So, some £7 million.
Welsh: Rwy'n deall, yn 2016, yr etholiad diwethaf, roedd y gost yn £7 miliwn. Roedd jest ychydig dros £3 miliwn yn mynd i lywodraeth leol ac ychydig o dan £4 miliwn yn mynd i'r Post Brenhinol i dalu am gostau danfon cynnwys drwy'r post ac ati. So, rhyw £7 miliwn.
English: Precisely. May I thank you, therefore, Counsel General, for coming in this morning, and your officials also? You will receive a transcript, of course, to check for factual accuracy. We will, of course, receive further evidence on the Bill within the next two weeks. Thank you very much for your attendance.
Welsh: Yn union. Wel, a gaf i ddiolch, felly, i'r Cwnsler Cyffredinol am ddod atom ni'r bore yma, ac i'w swyddogion hefyd? Mi fyddwch chi'n cael copi o'r transcript, wrth gwrs, i'w tsiecio ar gyfer cywirdeb. Mi fyddwn ni, wrth gwrs, yn derbyn tystiolaeth bellach ar y Bil yma dros y bythefnos nesaf, felly diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am ddod.
English: We are moving into a private session next, with your permission. So, I propose, in accordance with Standing Order 17.42 (vi), that the committee resolves to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. Are all Members content? All right. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Rŷn ni am symud i sesiwn breifat nesaf, gyda'ch caniatâd chi. Felly, yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 17.42 (vi), dwi'n cynnig bod y pwyllgor yn gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. A yw Aelodau i gyd yn fodlon â hynny? Iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Welcome, everyone, to the latest meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sports Committee here in the Senedd. Under item 1 - introductions, apologies, et cetera - I welcome my fellow Members in the first instance and further announce that we have received apologies from Angela Burns, Helen Mary Jones, Jayne Bryant and Neil Hamilton. I can further explain that this meeting will be held bilingually. You can use the headphones to hear the interpretation from Welsh into English on channel 1, or to hear contributions in the original language amplified on channel 2. We do not expect a fire alarm to sound this morning, so, if it does sound, it means that there is a fire and that you should therefore follow the ushers' instructions.
Welsh: Croeso i bawb i gyfarfod diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. O dan eitem 1 - cyflwyniadau, ymddiheuriadau ac ati - fe allaf i estyn croeso i'm cyd-Aelodau yn y lle cyntaf a chyhoeddi ein bod ni wedi derbyn ymddiheuriadau gan Angela Burns, Helen Mary Jones, Jayne Bryant a Neil Hamilton. Gallaf i ymhellach egluro bod y cyfarfod yma yn ddwyieithog. Gellir defnyddio'r clustffonau i glywed cyfieithu ar y pryd o'r Gymraeg i'r Saesneg ar sianel 1, neu i glywed cyfraniadau yn yr iaith wreiddiol yn well ar sianel 2. Dŷn ni ddim yn disgwyl y larwm tân i ganu'r bore yma, felly os yw e'n canu, mae'n golygu bod yna dân ac felly dylid dilyn cyfarwyddiadau'r tywyswyr.
English: With that much of an introduction, we'll move on to item 2, and community and district nursing services. This is an evidence session with the Royal College of Nursing Wales. Members will be aware that this is the first evidence session in our one-day inquiry into community and district nursing services, following a recommendation from the all-party group on nursing and midwifery, and we have its chair as a member of this committee. So, welcome to both of you. I am very pleased to welcome Lisa Turnbull, who is policy and public affairs adviser at the Royal College of Nursing Wales, and also Sue Thomas, who is primary and community care adviser at the Royal College of Nursing Wales. Thank you very much for the excellent paper that you submitted beforehand. Based on that and other evidence received, and with your permission, we will go straight into questions. We will start with Dawn Bowden.
Welsh: Gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen at eitem 2, a gwasanaethau nyrsio cymunedol a nyrsio ardal. Dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Choleg Nyrsio Brenhinol Cymru. Mi fydd Aelodau yn ymwybodol mai dyma'r sesiwn dystiolaeth gyntaf yn ein hymchwiliad undydd ni i wasanaethau nyrsio cymunedol a nyrsio ardal yn dilyn argymhelliad o'r grŵp amlbleidiol ar nyrsio a bydwragedd, ac mae cadeirydd y grŵp yma hefyd yn aelod o'r pwyllgor yma. Felly, croeso i'r ddwy ohonoch chi. Rwy'n falch iawn i groesawu i'r bwrdd Lisa Turnbull, cynghorydd polisi a materion cyhoeddus Coleg Nyrsio Brenhinol Cymru, a hefyd Sue Thomas, cynghorydd gofal sylfaenol a chymunedol Coleg Nyrsio Brenhinol Cymru. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am y papur bendigedig, mae'n rhaid dweud, dŷch chi wedi'i gyflwyno ymlaen llaw. Ac yn seiliedig ar hynna a'r dystiolaeth arall dŷn ni wedi'i derbyn, a gyda'ch caniatâd, awn ni'n syth mewn i gwestiynau. Fe wnawn ni ddechrau efo Dawn Bowden.
English: We are out of time, so thank you very much. We have run over time - apologies for that - but it was very interesting. Thank you very much for your presence and for introducing your written evidence beforehand. It was excellent. We will break for 10 minutes now to prepare for the next witnesses. You will receive a transcript of the discussions today so that you can check that they are factually accurate. With that, thank you very much. We will take a 10-minute break until the next witnesses arrive at 10.45 a.m.
Welsh: Rŷm ni allan o amser, felly diolch yn fawr iawn. Rŷm ni wedi gor-redeg - ymddiheuriadau am hynny - ond diddorol iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich presenoldeb a hefyd am gyflwyno'r papur ysgrifenedig bendigedig yna ymlaen llaw. Fe gawn ni doriad nawr am 10 munud i baratoi am y tystion nesaf. Mi fyddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau heddiw er mwyn i chi allu gwirio eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir. Gyda hynny, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. Felly, toriad am 10 munud tan y tystion nesaf am 10.45 a.m.