English: I heard David Rowlands talking about multiple buses turning up in quick succession carrying a small number of passengers. It's rather reminiscent of all the little parties he's been a member of. But there is, of course - . The situation he talks of is a symptom of the problem we have with our public transport system. In a non-regulated environment, of course, anyone can set up a bus company and they can run the routes that they think are most profitable. So, you tend to have, on a small number of routes, a lot of competition on a lot of services because there's profit to be made, but not being able to cross-subsidise other routes to form a coherent network, and that's precisely why we wanted to bring the legislation forward, and that's precisely why we're now using the opportunity presented to us to try and use our funding to get maximum leverage to try and achieve that objective through other means. So, I completely agree with him on that. Similarly, on the dial-up buses, as he talks of them, the terms may be different, but it's the same thing. We talk about demand-responsive transport, which is the same thing. And we are trialling, across five areas now, in Newport, Cardiff, Rhondda, Prestatyn and Denbigh, our Fflecsi service, run through Transport for Wales with local operators, which is supported by a website, an app and a telephone line, which replaces some scheduled local bus services with more flexible services that can pick up and drop off in an area by request, rather than at fixed bus stops at fixed times, and the feedback has been very positive where this has been trialled. As I say, in Newport we are looking now to increase that, and in Blaenau Gwent as well. And that is dipping our toe in the water of that particular model that David Rowlands talks about, and I think the aspiration for having a network of small, electric minibuses effectively, whizzing around picking up people at times that suit them to take them to places they want to go, is exactly what we are working towards. So, I hope I can give him some reassurance that we are, at least on that, in agreement.
Welsh: Fe glywais i David Rowlands yn sôn am sawl bws yn dod yn fuan ar ôl ei gilydd ac yn cludo nifer fach o deithwyr. Mae hynny'n gwneud imi feddwl am yr holl bleidiau bach y mae ef wedi bod yn aelod ohonynt. Ond mae yna, wrth gwrs - . Mae'r sefyllfa y sonia amdani yn symptom o'r broblem sydd gennym gyda'n system trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus. Mewn amgylchedd nad yw'n cael ei reoleiddio, wrth gwrs, fe all unrhyw un sefydlu cwmni bysiau ac fe allan nhw redeg y llwybrau sydd fwyaf proffidiol yn eu barn nhw. Felly, rydych chi'n tueddu i gael, ar nifer fechan o lwybrau, lawer o gystadleuaeth ar lawer o wasanaethau oherwydd bod elw i'w wneud, ond heb allu traws-sybsideiddio llwybrau eraill i lunio rhwydwaith cydlynol. A dyna'n union pam roeddem ni'n awyddus i gyflwyno'r ddeddfwriaeth, a dyna'n union pam rydym ni'n defnyddio'r cyfle a gyflwynir inni nawr i geisio defnyddio ein cyllid i gael y trosoledd gorau posibl i geisio cyflawni'r amcan hwnnw drwy ddulliau eraill. Felly, rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr ag ef yn hynny o beth. Yn yr un modd, o ran y system ddeialu ar gyfer bysiau, fel y sonia, fe all y termau amrywio, ond yr un peth sydd yma. Rydym yn sôn am drafnidiaeth sy'n ymateb i'r galw, sydd yr un peth. Ac rydym wrthi'n treialu hyn nawr, ar draws pum ardal, yng Nghasnewydd, Caerdydd, y Rhondda, Prestatyn a Dinbych, sef ein gwasanaeth Fflecsi ni, sy'n cael ei redeg drwy Drafnidiaeth Cymru gyda gweithredwyr lleol. Fe'i cefnogir gan wefan, ap a llinell ffôn, ac yn lle rhai gwasanaethau bysiau lleol a drefnwyd, cynigir gwasanaethau mwy hyblyg a all godi a gollwng mewn ardal yn ôl y galw, yn hytrach nag mewn arosfannau bysiau sefydlog ar adegau penodol, ac mae'r adborth wedi bod yn gadarnhaol iawn lle cafodd hyn ei dreialu. Fel y dywedais, yng Nghasnewydd rydym yn ystyried ehangu hynny nawr, ac ym Mlaenau Gwent hefyd. Ac mae hwnnw'n rhoi rhywfaint o flas inni o'r model arbennig hwnnw y mae David Rowlands yn sôn amdano. Rwyf i o'r farn mai'r dyhead i gael rhwydwaith o fysiau mini trydan bach ac effeithiol, sy'n gwibio o gwmpas yn cludo pobl ar amseroedd sy'n addas iddyn nhw i leoedd y maen nhw'n awyddus i fynd iddynt, yw'r union beth yr ydym ni'n gweithio tuag ato. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio y gallaf roi rhywfaint o sicrwydd iddo ef ein bod ni o leiaf yn cytuno ar hynny.