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English: Well, just, then, returning, given that you've talked about external partnerships in the discussions, and I'm thinking about service users particularly in your councils, and Diana touched on the need to raise awareness among the local population more broadly, is that happening? What are you doing to deliver that? I know that circumstances perhaps don't allow much of that to happen at present, but through the way in which you work, it's bound to cascade down somewhat to some of those communities. So, maybe Diana might want to expand on some of the points that she made at the outset.
Welsh: Ocê. Wedyn, jest yn ôl gan eich bod chi wedi sôn am bartneriaid allanol mewn trafodaethau o'r fath a dwi'n meddwl yn benodol am ddefnyddwyr gwasanaethau hefyd eich cynghorau chi, a gwnaeth Diana gyffwrdd ar yr angen i godi ymwybyddiaeth ymhlith y boblogaeth ehangach yn lleol, ydy hynny'n digwydd? A beth ŷch chi'n ei wneud i gyflawni hynny? Dwi'n gwybod bod amgylchiadau efallai ddim yn caniatáu i lot o hynny ddigwydd ar hyn o bryd, ond drwy'r ffordd ŷch chi'n gweithredu, mae hwnnw'n bownd o raeadru i lawr ryw ffordd, onid yw e, i rai o'r cymunedau. Efallai byddai Diana eisiau ymhelaethu ar y pwyntiau oedd hi'n eu gwneud ar y dechrau.
English: I think that if we take the pandemic period, the way in which we've been able to include the population has had to change, because we can't go out and do the engagement work face to face as we would have usually done, but we have examples of when, due to the nature of the pandemic, we've had to make very rapid decisions, and we have undertaken consultations on the safe zones in our towns over the summer. That's one example of where - returning to what Alun said earlier in terms of the integrated impact assessment - because the Act was included in that type of decision making, by following that process we ensured that we were including the local population in the decisions and how we were proceeding with making changes to those safe zones. So, even during the pandemic, we've been able to show and evidence how we are including the population in those decisions that we make. There is more work to be done as a body, as I'm sure every body would say. We had plans this year to look at how to do consultation and engagement differently - sorry, last year - with the population, and using a mixed methodology, in terms of ensuring that we reach everybody across the age ranges and the different protected characteristics in terms of the Equality Act 2010. So, we have had to - how can I say - re-examine how we do things, but I hope Alun would agree that we are managing to do that in different ways.
Welsh: Rwyf i'n credu os ŷn ni'n cymryd yn ystod y pandemig, yn amlwg mae fel ŷn ni wedi medru cynnwys y boblogaeth wedi gorfod newid oherwydd ein bod ni'n methu â mynd mas a gwneud yr ymgysylltu wyneb i wyneb yna y bydden ni fel arfer wedi ei wneud, ond mae gyda ni esiamplau o ban, gyda natur y pandemig, rŷn ni wedi gorfod gwneud penderfyniadau yn go glou, rŷn ni wedi bod yn cynnal ymgynghoriadau ynglŷn â'r parthau diogel yn ein trefi ni dros yr haf. Mae hynny'n un esiampl o le, eto - a mynd nôl i beth oedd Alun yn sôn amdano yn gynharach ynglŷn â'r asesiad effaith integredig - achos bod conglfeini'r Ddeddf wedi eu cynnwys yn y math yna o wneud penderfyniadau, drwy ddilyn y broses yna roedden ni'n gwneud yn siŵr ein bod ni yn cynnwys y boblogaeth yn y penderfyniadau a sut oeddem ni'n mynd ynglŷn â pharhau i wneud newidiadau i'r parthau diogel yna. Felly, hyd yn oed yn ystod y pandemig, rŷn ni wedi gallu dangos a thystiolaethu sut ŷn ni yn cynnwys y boblogaeth yn y penderfyniadau rŷn ni'n eu gwneud. Mae mwy o waith inni ei wneud fel corff, rwyf fi'n siŵr fel y byddai pob corff arall yn ei ddweud, ac roedd gyda ni gynlluniau eleni i edrych ar sut i wneud ymgysylltu yn wahanol - sori, y llynedd, sut i wneud ymgysylltu'n wahanol gyda'r boblogaeth, gan ddefnyddio methodoleg gymysg a'r math hwnnw o beth, o ran sut oedden ni'n gwneud yn siŵr ein bod ni'n cyrraedd pawb ar draws yr ystod oedran a'r nodweddion gwarchodedig yna yn y Ddeddf Gydraddoldeb 2010, wrth gwrs. Felly, rŷn ni wedi gorfod - sut allaf i ddweud - ailedrych ar sut ŷn ni'n gwneud pethau, ond rwyf fi'n credu, gobeithio y byddai Alun yn cytuno, ein bod ni'n dod i ben â'i wneud e mewn ffyrdd gwahanol.
English: I think that the same message is coming through from us as a council, because when the Act was set up, we established a corporate board that focused specifically on how we engage and consult, and that was a board that brought external partners together and addressed different tiers of how we did engage. One of the issues, or one of those tiers, was a tier that we called building communities, where, as Diana said, we had discussions - discussions that took a long time with different stakeholders from the different communities that then tooled up those communities to be able to identify their own priorities and then help us to be able to identify how we could assist them to realise them. So, we tooled them up and included them in how the agenda was realised. We have had, and I'm sure - . Sorry, Llyr.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl bod yr un neges yn dod drwyddo gennym ni fel cyngor sir, dwi'n meddwl, achos pan wnaeth y Ddeddf gael ei sefydlu, fe wnaethon ni weithredu, neu fe wnaethom ni sefydlu, bwrdd corfforaethol oedd yn ffocysu'n benodol ar sut ydyn ni'n ymgysylltu ac yn ymgynghori, ac roedd hwnnw'n fwrdd oedd yn dod â phartneriaid allanol i mewn iddo fo ac yn cyfarch haenau gwahanol o sut oedden ni'n ymgysylltu. Un o'r materion, neu un o'r haenau hynny, oedd haen roedden ni'n ei alw yn haen o adeiladu cymunedau, lle roedden ni'n cael, yn union fel oedd Diana yn ei nodi, trafodaethau hir - trafodaethau oedd yn cymryd amser gyda stakeholders gwahanol o'r cymunedau oedd wedyn yn arfogi'r gymuned yna i fedru adnabod eu blaenoriaethau eu hunain ac wedyn yn ein helpu ni i fedru adnabod sut buasen ni'n medru eu cynorthwyo nhw i'w gwireddu nhw. So, roedden ni'n eu harfogi nhw yn hynny o beth ac yn eu cynnwys nhw yn sut oedden nhw'n rhoi'r agenda mewn lle. Rydyn ni wedi cael, ac mae'n siŵr - . Sori, Llyr.
English: I just wanted to ask how much comparing of notes is happening across the public bodies, because we've heard Alun talking about online issues, Diana talking about engaging with the community, and you're talking about other stakeholders. Are you clear in your minds as to what good implementation looks like, and not that one wants one system for the whole of Wales, but that you learn from each other, pick up on good practice and so forth and share it?
Welsh: Roeddwn i jest eisiau holi faint o gymharu nodiadau sy'n digwydd ar draws y cyrff cyhoeddus, achos rŷn ni wedi clywed Alun yn sôn am ryw bethau ar lein, Diana yn sôn am ymwneud â'r gymuned, rŷch chi'n sôn am randdeiliaid eraill. Ydych chi'n glir yn eich meddyliau chi beth mae implementation da yn edrych fel ac oes yna - dim bod rhywun eisiau un system gyfan ar draws Cymru, ond bod yna ddysgu oddi wrth eich gilydd, pigo i fyny ar arferion da ac yn y blaen a'u rhannu nhw?
English: We are getting examples from the commissioner's office, but no, there's not enough time, and we need to do more, to answer your question very plainly. We do need time to do this, yes, and that's what we're short of, with insufficient resources and staff. But the commissioner shares good practice.
Welsh: Rydyn ni'n cael enghreifftiau gan swyddfa'r comisiynydd, ond na, does yna ddim digon o amser, ac mae angen gwneud mwy ohono fo, i ateb eich cwestiwn chi yn hollol, hollol blaen. Mae angen amser i'w wneud o, oes, a hwnna sy'n brin, efo llai o adnoddau a staff i'w wneud o. Ond mae'r comisiynydd yn rhannu arferion.
English: I think that's an important point to note, because stemming from our awareness as a body, we've been questioned by managers about how we do this in the future, given the situation that we're in, and we have been looking for and asking whether there are any good practices throughout Wales so that we can pick up on those changes or the good things that are happening in the sector as a whole.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl bod hwnna'n bwynt pwysig i'w nodi, achos rydyn ni wedi - ac eto yn deillio allan o'n hymwybyddiaeth ni fel corff, rydyn ni wedi cael ein cwestiynu gan reolwyr ynglŷn â sut ydyn ni'n gwneud hwn mewn i'r dyfodol, o gofio'r sefyllfa rydyn ni ynddi. Ac rydym ni wedi bod yn edrych ar, ac yn gofyn am - os oes yna - unrhyw fath o arferion da drwy Gymru gyfan, fel petai, fel ein bod ni'n medru pigo i fyny ar y newidiadau neu'r pethau da sy'n digwydd yn y sector drwyddi draw.
English: Yes, thank you. Just to echo that in terms of how we share good practice and how we work with other bodies, we have a project in the offing in the Hywel Dda region, where we work together as organisations to look at engagement, consultation and how we can do that as public bodies together, rather than everyone going out individually and asking very similar questions and in order to avoid consultation and engagement fatigue, as they say. So, that project was gaining ground and being embedded very well before the pandemic, but, of course, we've had to change course somewhat. But that was an example of how we work across public bodies to realise what's in the Act.
Welsh: Ie, diolch. Jest i ategu hwnna o ran sut rŷn ni'n rhannu arfer da a sut rŷn ni'n gweithio gyda chyrff eraill, mae gennym ni brosiect ar y gweill ar draws ranbarth Hywel Dda, le rydym ni'n gweithio gyda'n gilydd fel sefydliadau i edrych ar ymgysylltu ac ymgynghori, a sut rŷn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny fel cyrff cyhoeddus gyda'n gilydd, yn hytrach na bod pob un yn mynd mas yn unigol ac yn gofyn cwestiynau tebyg, ac er mwyn osgoi consultation and engagement fatigue, fel maen nhw'n dweud. Felly, roedd y prosiect hynny'n magu traed yn dda iawn cyn y pandemig, ac wedyn rŷn ni wedi gorfod newid cwrs tamaid bach. Ond mae hwnna'n esiampl o sut rŷn ni'n gweithio ar draws cyrff i wireddu'r hyn sydd yn y Ddeddf, a dweud y gwir.
English: I'm aware that time is running out. I have one further question. In the evidence that we've had from different directions, there is a perception that there is a disconnect between the auditor general, the Welsh Government and the future generations commissioner. That is, that there is a lack of a unified message and unified approach, and a lack of unified expectations across those three. Do you agree that there is a disconnect? And if you do agree with that, how should that be tackled?
Welsh: Dwi'n ymwybodol bod amser yn mynd yn ei flaen, so un cwestiwn olaf gen i. Yn y dystiolaeth rydyn ni wedi ei derbyn o wahanol gyfeiriadau, fel y gallwch chi ddychmygu, mae yna ganfyddiad bod yna disconnect rhwng yr archwilydd cyffredinol, Llywodraeth Cymru a chomisiynydd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol. Hynny yw, bod yna ddiffyg neges unedig, bod yna ddiffyg approach unedig, a bod yna ddiffyg disgwyliadau unedig ar draws y tri yna. Ydych chi'n cytuno bod yna rhyw fath o disconnect, ac os ydych chi, sut ydych chi'n credu y dylai hwnna gael ei daclo?
English: I don't think I can answer in terms of the disconnect question specifically. The only thing I can say is that this Act - every public body should be held accountable to this Act, and that would make things much easier, that everyone would be accountable under this Act and that there was an awareness of the Act in England. That's what I would say, very briefly.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn meddwl medraf i ateb ynglŷn â'r union gwestiwn disconnect; yr unig beth y medraf i ei ddweud ydy bod gofyn i'r Ddeddf yma fod yn - mae'n rhaid i bob corff cyhoeddus fod yn atebol i'r Ddeddf yma, ac mi fyddai hynny'n gwneud pethau'n llawer, llawer iawn haws, bod pawb yn atebol i'r Ddeddf yma a bod yna ymwybyddiaeth hefyd o'r Ddeddf yn Lloegr. Dyna fuaswn i'n ei ddweud, yn gynnil iawn.
English: Alun wanted to come in there.
Welsh: Iawn. Roedd Alun eisiau dod i mewn, dwi'n credu.
English: Yes, just in terms of this question, I don't see the disconnect as some have seen it. They have had a memorandum of understanding, and they shared that with all of us at the time. It's quite clear to me that they are doing two different things. I understand that Audit Wales is looking at how, as authorities, we make decisions and the kind of culture we have, and whether we use the five ways of working, whereas the commissioner is much more clear in terms of looking at whether we have reached the objectives that we have set. So, they do collaborate, and they tell us all the time that they are collaborating, and we know that they do meet. But, so far, we've understood that that's the way in which they work. And, of course, they do have roles that are complex. The auditor general has to do an audit of our corporate activities, so I do understand that, to do that properly, he has to use the Act. So, you can't have one doing it and the other not; they have to collaborate. And understanding that is the first thing. Maybe it's difficult for everyone to understand that message in terms of the distinction, but that is my response for Ceredigion. I don't know whether Diana agrees or has something to add.
Welsh: Ie, jest o ran ateb y cwestiwn, dwi ddim yn gweld y disconnect fel y mae rhai wedi ymateb. Maen nhw wedi cael memorandum of understanding, a gwnaethon nhw rannu hwnna gyda ni i gyd ar y pryd. Mae'n ddigon clir i fi eu bod nhw'n gwneud dau wahanol beth. Dwi'n deall bod Archwilio Cymru yn edrych ar sut rydyn ni, fel awdurdodau, yn gwneud ein penderfyniadau, y math o culture sydd gennym ni, ac a ydyn ni'n defnyddio'r pum ffordd o weithio, le mae'r comisiynydd, dwi'n credu, llawer mwy clir mai edrych ar a ydyn ni wedi cyrraedd yr objectives rydyn ni wedi penderfynu arnyn nhw. Maen nhw yn cydweithio, maen nhw'n dweud wrthyn ni drwy'r amser eu bod nhw'n cydweithio, a dwi'n gwybod eu bod nhw yn cwrdd, ond hyd yn hyn, rydyn ni wedi deall mai fel yna maen nhw'n gweithio, ac wrth gwrs mae roles gyda nhw sydd yn gymhleth. Mae'n rhaid i'r auditor general gwneud awdit o sut ydyn ni'n gorfforaethol. So, dwi'n gweld bod yn rhaid - i wneud hwnna'n iawn, mae'n rhaid defnyddio'r Ddeddf. Felly, rydych chi'n ffaelu gadael i un ei wneud e a'r llall ddim; mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw gydweithio, a deall hwnna yw'r peth cyntaf. Efallai ei bod hi'n anodd i bawb i ddeall y neges yna am y distinction, ond dyna fy ateb i o ran Ceredigion. Dwi ddim yn gwybod os wyt ti, Diana, yn meddwl yr un peth.
English: I agree. In moving forward, I think there are opportunities to gather evidence and that the different bodies, whether that's the Welsh Government, the auditor general or the commissioner, that there is more synergy if one body has gathered evidence and they can share that more broadly, with a framework and something that's been established to facilitate that. That's all I would want to add. Thank you.
Welsh: Ydy, dwi'n cytuno. Dwi'n credu, wrth symud ymlaen, fod yna gyfleoedd efallai i gasglu tystiolaeth unwaith a bod y cyrff gwahanol, p'un ai Llywodraeth Cymru, yr archwilydd cyffredinol neu'r comisiynydd, bod yna fwy, efallai, o synergedd os oes un corff wedi datblygu a chasglu tystiolaeth, a'u bod nhw'n gallu rhannu hwnna yn eang a bod yna rhyw fath o fframwaith a rhywbeth sydd wedi ei sefydlu sy'n galluogi hwnna i ddigwydd yn rhwydd. Dyna'r unig beth y byddwn i eisiau ei ychwanegu. Diolch.
English: Thank you very much, Chair.
Welsh: Iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn, Gadeirydd. Diolch.
English: Good morning. I would say that we're on that journey. I can give you an example: we established jointly with the health board a special unit for people suffering from very bad dementia in the Holyhead area, and that did save money ultimately. But we're on the journey, that's where we are. We're very aware of the five ways of working, and of course, we're all members of the board around the table, but in terms of additional resources, no.
Welsh: Bore da. Buaswn i'n dweud mai ar y daith ydyn ni. Mi fedraf i roi enghraifft i chi: mi wnaethon ni sefydlu, ar y cyd efo'r bwrdd iechyd, uned arbennig ar gyfer pobl yn dioddef o ddementia drwg iawn yn ardal Caergybi, ac roedd hwnnw yn y pen draw yn arbed arian. Ond ar y daith, mi fuaswn i'n dweud, ydyn ni. Mae'r bwrdd yn llawn ymwybodol o'r pum ffordd o weithio, ac wrth gwrs, dŷn ni i gyd yn aelodau rownd y bwrdd, ond o ran yr adnoddau ychwanegol i weithredu, nac oes.
English: I think what it's meant is that we can - we have examples of good projects. Maybe it hasn't been embedded in everything we do and all of the priorities of the well-being plan, but there are examples of good work - for example, the work that we've done with relocating refugees, particularly from Syria. We've put a group together of agencies, the public services boards, and that group has been able to deliver a lot, and in looking at that through a multi-agency approach, we've been able to be very successful in that scheme. So, I think it does vary with us per theme. We are working with regional agencies as well, and we've been able to identify opportunities to take some pieces of work that were similar forward across the region and they can move towards being realised on a regional basis with lots of things then continuing on a local level. So, we have been able to implement a mixed approach.
Welsh: Dwi'n credu beth mae e wedi golygu yw ein bod ni wedi gallu - mae gyda ni esiamplau o brosiectau da. Efallai nad yw e wedi treiddio ar draws popeth rŷn ni'n ei wneud a holl flaenoriaethau y cynllun llesiant, ond mae yna esiamplau o waith da - er enghraifft, y gwaith rŷn ni wedi ei wneud gydag adleoli ffoaduriaid, yn enwedig o Syria. Rŷn ni wedi rhoi grŵp at ei gilydd o asiantaethau y bwrdd gwasanaethau cyhoeddus, ac mae'r grŵp yna wedi medru cyflawni tipyn, a thrwy edrych arno fe fel multi-agency approach math o beth, rŷn ni wedi gallu bod yn llwyddiannus iawn yn y cynllun hynny. Felly, dwi'n credu bod e'n amrywio gyda ni fesul thema. Rŷn ni yn gweithio gyda asiantaethau rhanbarthol hefyd, ac rŷn ni wedi medru adnabod ble mae yna gyfleoedd i gymryd rhai adrannau, neu rai darnau o waith oedd yn debyg ar draws y rhanbarth, a bod y rheini'n gallu symud i gael eu gwireddu yn rhanbarthol, gyda lot o bethau wedyn yn parhau yn lleol. Felly rŷn ni wedi gallu gwneud fel math o mixed approach iddo fe, ta beth.
English: Do you want me to go first? I think what we see is that to embed this Act we need the five ways of working and the national well-being goals to be in the vanguard of any policy or funding that's allocated, and so forth. At present, it feels like an add-on rather than the thing that's leading the grant. Also, in terms of the background of why we included that statement in our evidence, there are several pots of funding, which we welcome, of course, but they do come very late in the day. It's difficult then - how can I say this? - to balance that with planning for the long term, which also takes away from the aim of the Act in the long term. There are some grants that come with quite severe guidance, that perhaps doesn't give us the flexibility to be able to look across issues and to do more innovative things. So, that was the background, and the reason for including that in our response. I don't know whether Alun wants to add anything.
Welsh: Wyt ti eisiau i mi fynd, Alun? Diolch. Dwi'n credu beth rydyn ni'n gweld yw, i dreiddio'r Ddeddf hon, dwi'n credu bod eisiau i'r pum ffordd o weithio a'r nodau llesiant cenedlaethol fod ar flaen y gad mewn unrhyw bolisi, arian sy'n cael ei ddyrannu, ac yn y blaen. Ar hyn o bryd, mae'n teimlo fel ei fod e'n add-on math o beth yn hytrach na'r peth sy'n arwain y grant. Hefyd, beth sydd, dwi'n credu, yn y cefndir o ran pam rŷm ni wedi rhoi'r datganiad yma yn ein hymateb ni oedd bod lot fawr o pots o arian rŷn ni'n eu croesawu, wrth gwrs, ond maen nhw'n dod yn hwyr yn y dydd, ac mae'n anodd wedyn i falansio rheini gyda chynllunio yn y hirdymor, sydd eto yn tynnu, efallai, bant o beth yw nod y Ddeddf yn y hirdymor. Hefyd, mae yna rai grantiau yn dod gyda chanllawiau eithaf llym, sydd ddim, efallai, yn rhoi'r hyblygrwydd yna i allu edrych ar draws i wneud pethau mwy innovative. So, dwi'n credu mai dyna beth oedd y cefndir, a'r rheswm i roi hwnna yn yr ymateb. Dwi ddim yn gwybod os yw Alun eisiau ategu o gwbl.
English: Thank you, Annwen. I think I would agree with what Annwen identifies. The one thing that I think we need to look at - and this goes back to the point that Diana made - is that the Act needs to be embedded across all of the policies of the Welsh Government. That means that it needs to be the basis for how every policy is implemented, as it were. In terms of resources, I think that we need that flexibility for local authorities to be able to use those for their local communities, because there is a way of thinking that what's important to communities in Anglesey or in Holyhead isn't so important to communities in Cardiff bay. But, at present, it has the same definition, as it were. I think the example that Annwen gave, in terms of the fact that there is a Welsh Government pot of money for the twenty-first century schools programme, is a good example of how we as a nation can be operating or acting for the benefit of our future generations, and can use this Act to realise those expectations.
Welsh: Diolch, Annwen. Dwi'n meddwl y buaswn i'n cytuno efo beth mae Annwen yn ei nodi. Yr un peth dwi'n credu rydyn ni angen edrych arno fo - ac mae'n mynd yn ôl at y pwynt roedd Diana yn ei nodi - ydy bod angen i'r Ddeddf gael ei gwreiddio ar draws holl bolisïau Llywodraeth Cymru. Hynny yw, mae angen iddi hi fod, fwy neu lai, y sylfaen i sut mae pob un polisi yn cael ei weithredu, fel petai. Dwi'n meddwl, o safbwynt yr adnoddau hefyd, fod angen yr hyblygrwydd yna ar lywodraethau lleol i fedru eu defnyddio nhw er budd y cymunedau yn lleol, achos mae yna fodd o feddwl, efallai, fod yr hyn sydd yn bwysig i gymunedau ym Môn ac yng Nghaergybi ddim mor bwysig i gymunedau bae Caerdydd. Ond, ar hyn o bryd, mae o'r un diffiniad, fel petai. Dwi'n meddwl bod yr enghraifft mae Annwen yn ei nodi, ynglŷn â'r ffaith bod yna bot o arian gan Lywodraeth Cymru o ran ysgolion yr unfed ganrif ar hugain, yn enghraifft dda o sut allwn ni fel cenedl fod yn gweithredu er budd ein cenedlaethau ni i'r dyfodol, a hefyd yn medru defnyddio'r Ddeddf yma i wireddu'r math yna o ddisgwyliadau.
English: I think, when you're talking about the tools - . In doing that, it has to come from somewhere else. We can't do everything. We adapt and we move people around, and that's the only thing that we can do, and decide what our priorities are. We can't do everything. It's less. There are fewer resources.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, pan fyddwch chi'n sôn am y tŵls - . O wneud hynna, mae'n rhaid iddo fo fynd o rywle arall. Fedrwn ni ddim gwneud pob peth. Rydym ni'n addasu a symud pobl o gwmpas, a dyna'r unig beth fedrwn ni wneud, a phenderfynu beth ydy ein blaenoriaethau ni. Fedrwn ni ddim gwneud pob peth. Mae o'n llai. Mae'r adnoddau yn llai.