English: As I say to the leader of the Welsh Conservatives, he cannot say on the one hand that the PISA tests are robust - and I agree with him on that - but on the other hand say that the OECD advice that we've had should be ignored, which is what he's saying. [Interruption.] He is saying exactly that. The OECD have said that we are on the right track and we should continue on the track that we're on. He cannot ignore that and pretend that hasn't been said, because it has. I've listened carefully to him and his party over the years in terms of their policies. I know nothing about what their education policy is, beyond cutting schools' funding and having a dalliance with grammar schools, which is exactly what the OECD have said shouldn't happen. So, yes, it is uncomfortable reading. I don't deny it. It is a sign that we can never be complacent. I agree it is a sign that there is still work to be done. Although there are some signs of improvement, it's not good enough. There's still more to do. What we will not do, however, is panic and throw everything up in the air when we know that the advice that we have had says that we should stay on the track that we are on. That is what the OECD have said. Now, if he's prepared to disagree with the OECD and chuck their advice in the bin, when they're the very people who set these tests up, then that is a matter for him. But it's not something that we will do as a Government. We will continue to see improvements in GCSEs, improvements in A-levels and a move towards better figures for PISA next time around.
Welsh: Fel y dywedais wrth arweinydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, ni all ddweud ar y naill law bod y profion PISA yn gadarn - ac rwy'n cytuno ag ef am hynny - ond ar y llaw arall dweud y dylid anwybyddu'r cyngor yr ydym ni wedi ei gael gan yr OECD, sef yr hyn y mae'n ei ddweud. [Torri ar draws.] Mae'n dweud yn union hynny. Mae'r OECD wedi dweud ein bod ni ar y trywydd iawn ac y dylem ni barhau ar y trywydd yr ydym ni arno. Ni all anwybyddu hynny ac esgus nad yw hynny wedi cael ei ddweud, oherwydd mae hynny wedi ei ddweud. Rwyf wedi gwrando'n ofalus arno fe a'i blaid dros y blynyddoedd o ran eu polisïau. Nid wyf yn gwybod dim o ran beth yw eu polisi addysg, y tu hwnt i dorri cyllid ysgolion a lled-glosio at ysgolion gramadeg, sef yr union beth y mae'r OECD wedi dweud na ddylai ddigwydd. Felly, ydy, mae'n ddarllen anghyfforddus. Nid wyf yn ei wadu. Mae'n arwydd na allwn ni fyth fod yn hunanfodlon. Rwy'n cytuno ei fod yn arwydd bod gwaith i'w wneud o hyd. Er bod rhai arwyddion o welliant, nid yw'n ddigon da. Mae mwy i'w wneud o hyd. Yr hyn na fyddwn ni'n ei wneud, fodd bynnag, yw cynhyrfu a thaflu popeth i fyny yn yr awyr pan ein bod yn gwybod bod y cyngor yr ydym ni wedi ei gael yn dweud y dylem ni gadw ar y trywydd yr ydym ni'n di ddilyn. Dyna'r hyn y mae'r OECD wedi ei ddweud. Nawr, os yw'n barod i anghytuno â'r OECD a thaflu eu cyngor yn y bin, pan mai nhw yw'r union bobl sy'n trefnu'r profion hyn, yna mater iddo ef yw hynny. Ond nid yw'n rhywbeth y byddwn ni'n ei wneud fel Llywodraeth. Byddwn yn parhau i weld gwelliannau o ran TGAU, gwelliannau o ran Safon Uwch a symudiad tuag at well ffigurau ar gyfer PISA y tro nesaf.