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English: Can I answer this question very quickly also? In one way, but a slightly different way, in terms of the future, I think it's very important that we do look at the future. There are changes that are happening so quickly now. Who knows, really, where we'll be in a couple of years? But, in looking at the future, I think it's important now that the most important thing is that we look at where we are now - where is the deficiency in the service now. Sometimes it frightens me when people say, 'Oh, we'll all be watching everything on the internet soon, and there'll be no need for us to produce content in the way that we're doing now, for people to watch on one screen.' That isn't true. I think people will still want content in a traditional manner, as well as being able to access the content in a number of different ways, and I think it's important for us in Wales that we are part of the great traditional spectrum that needs to be funded, and recognise that people at the moment are watching content in a very traditional manner, as well as in new ways, and there is a need to address that as well as keeping an eye also on what are the great changes that are happening.
Welsh: Allaf i ateb y cwestiwn yma yn gyflym iawn hefyd? Mewn un ffordd, rhywfaint yn wahanol, o safbwynt ein dyfodol, dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig iawn ein bod ni'n edrych ar y dyfodol. Mae newidiadau yn digwydd mor gyflym nawr. Pwy a ŵyr, mewn gwirionedd, ble fyddwn ni mewn cwpwl o flynyddoedd? Ond, wrth edrych ar y dyfodol hefyd, dwi'n meddwl nawr ei bod hi'n hollbwysig mai'r peth pwysicaf yw ein bod ni'n edrych ar ble rŷn ni nawr - ble mae'r diffyg yn y gwasanaeth nawr. Ambell waith, mae'n codi ofn arnaf i pan wy'n clywed rhywbeth fel, 'O, wel, byddwn ni i gyd yn gwylio popeth ar y we cyn bo hir, a bydd dim angen i ni greu cynnwys yn yr un modd ag rŷn ni'n ei wneud nawr ar gyfer pawb i wylio ar un sgrin.' Wel, dyw hynny ddim yn wir. Dwi'n meddwl bydd pobl yn dal i fod eisiau cynnwys mewn ffordd draddodiadol, yn ogystal â gallu cael y cynnwys mewn nifer o ffyrdd gwahanol, a dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig i ni yng Nghymru ein bod ni'n rhan o'r sbectrwm mawr traddodiadol sydd angen ei ariannu, a sylweddoli bod pobl ar hyn o bryd yn gwylio cynnwys mewn ffordd draddodiadol iawn, yn ogystal â mewn ffyrdd newydd, ac mae angen mynd i'r afael â hwnnw, yn ogystal â chadw llygad hefyd ar beth yw'r newidiadau mawr sy'n digwydd.
English: Thank you. Just before I bring David Melding in, I just want to tell everybody that we've got another 15 minutes on this important subject with you. And there are a few more questions, so if I can ask my fellow Members and witnesses to be brief in your answers and questions, and I'm not looking at Carwyn Jones in that regard. [ Laughter.]
Welsh: Diolch. Jest cyn i fi dynnu David Melding i mewn, jest i ddweud wrth bawb bod gyda ni rhyw chwarter awr arall ar y pwnc pwysig gyda chi. Ac mae ambell i gwestiwn, so os dwi'n gallu gofyn i'm cyd-Aelodau ac i'n tystion i fod ychydig bach yn gryno yn eich atebion a chwestiynau - ac nid ydw i'n edrych ar Carwyn Jones yn hynny o beth. [ Chwerthin.]
English: But there are issues that we want to discuss with you further as well. It's not a criticism at all, but we always have a framework in terms of time that isn't sufficient, I have to say. [ Inaudible.] Thank you very much. David.
Welsh: Wel, mae e, ond mae yna faterion dŷn ni eisiau eu trafod gyda chi bellach hefyd. So, dim beirniadaeth o gwbl, ond mae wastad gyda ni fframwaith o ran amser sydd ddim yn ddigonol, mae'n rhaid i mi ei ddweud. [ Anghlywadwy.] Diolch yn fawr. David.
English: Clearly, I can't speak on behalf of S4C, but, in looking at the issue as an individual, the most important thing for S4C at that point - and it remains the case - is that sufficient funding is available. And there was a feeling - not specifically within S4C, but there was a general feeling that, whilst the funding was held within the Treasury and DCMS in London, and that was safe - because it was in statute at one point - that was almost easier to deal with than the funding being transferred to this place, and then political arguments could have arisen around it: 'We need more money for hospitals, we need more money for education, and so on and so forth.' Now, I've always thought that that was a very childish argument: what country doesn't have its own broadcasting system? But I do think that feeling existed. Well, now the funding has been transferred to the licence fee more or less entirely. I do think it's important that we safeguard what remains with DCMS, but now that most of it has moved to the licence fee, I think we're in a totally different landscape, and now, particularly as that is under threat, we do have to look at this issue of devolving broadcasting.
Welsh: Yn amlwg, allaf i ddim siarad ar ran S4C, ond, wrth edrych ar y mater fel unigolyn, y peth pwysicaf i S4C y pryd hynny - ac sy'n dal i fod - yw bod ariannu digonol. A dwi'n meddwl mi oedd yna ymdeimlad - nid oddi mewn i S4C yn benodol, ond mi oedd yna ymdeimlad cyffredinol, dwi'n meddwl, tra bod yna arian gyda'r Trysorlys a'r DCMS yn Llundain, a bod hwnna yn saff - achos mi oedd e mewn statud ar un adeg - fod hynny bron yn haws i ddelio ag e na bod yr arian yn dod fan hyn, ag o bosib wedyn bod dadleuon gwleidyddol yn codi, fel: 'O wel; hynny yw, mae angen mwy o arian ar ysbytai, mae angen mwy o arian ar addysg, ac yn y blaen.' Dwi wastad wedi meddwl bod honna'n ddadl blentynnaidd iawn, a dweud y gwir: pa wlad sydd heb ei darlledu? Ond dwi yn meddwl bod yr ymdeimlad hwnnw. Wel, nawr mae'r arian wedi ei drosglwyddo i'r ffi drwydded mwy neu lai yn gyfan gwbl. Dwi yn meddwl bod hi'n bwysig cadw, neu warchod, yr hyn sydd yn parhau gyda DCMS, ond nawr bod yr arian wedi symud i'r ffi drwydded, dwi'n meddwl bod ni mewn tirwedd hollol wahanol, a nawr, yn enwedig bod hwnnw mewn perig, rŷn ni nawr, dwi'n meddwl, yn gorfod edrych ar y safbwynt yma o ddatganoli darlledu.
English: I think also there is a different awareness developing. We're looking at - there is a very public target of a million Welsh speakers. To reach that million speakers, they'll need to not only look at language policies and language - it relates to everything. It's everything. And in that regard, I think that S4C is responding to that position and to that potential, and I think that is central, really, once more, to the ambition of having this ability to set targets, to change this process of looking at broadcasting from that position where it is a provision, and it relates to regulation, to a place where we encourage and we get that creativity and set high aims for ourselves, and look outwards to the world with confidence.
Welsh: Dwi'n credu hefyd fod ymwybyddiaeth wahanol yn datblygu. Rŷn ni'n edrych ar - mae yna darged cyhoeddus iawn o filiwn o siaradwyr. Wel, i gyrraedd y filiwn o siaradwyr yna, bydd eisiau gwneud rhywbeth heblaw canolbwyntio ar iaith a pholisïau iaith - mae e'n ymwneud â phob peth; mae e'n bopeth. Ac yn hynny o beth, dwi'n credu bod S4C yn ymateb i'r sefyllfa yna ac i'r potensial yna, a bod hynny'n ganolog, mewn gwirionedd, unwaith eto, i'r uchelgais o gael y gallu i osod targedau, i newid y broses yma o edrych ar ddarlledu o'r lle yna lle mae e'n ddarpariaeth, ac mae'n ymwneud gyda rheolaeth, i le rŷn ni'n ennyn ac yn codi dychymyg ac yn gosod nodau uchel i ni ein hunain, ac yn edrych mas yn hyderus ar y byd.
English: Well, I don't quite understand the question, really, because if we're looking at getting a place around the table and that the voice of Wales is strong, I think this question of you giving people a choice of Eastenders or something from Wales, is complete nonsense. I think it's a childish argument, because that's not how the broadcasting world works currently. If we had at the moment a situation where we were much stronger within the BBC, for example that Wales had its own channel, that BBC Cymru Wales was something that was broadcasting with more hours and with more funding, that wouldn't be to say that I couldn't watch Eastenders as well. So I think there is a risk in asking questions that can be very binary, which is quite childish, really, when that isn't the way that the broadcasting world works.
Welsh: Wel, dwi ddim cweit yn deall y cwestiwn, a dweud y gwir, achos os ŷm ni'n edrych ar gael lle wrth y bwrdd a bod llais Cymru yn gryf, dwi'n meddwl bod y cwestiwn yma o roi dewis i bobl o Eastenders neu rywbeth o Gymru yn nonsens llwyr. A bod yn onest, dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n ddadl blentynnaidd iawn, iawn, achos nid fel yna mae'r byd darlledu'n gweithio ar hyn o bryd. Os buasai gennym ni ar hyn o bryd sefyllfa le roeddem ni lawer cryfach o fewn y BBC, er enghraifft, bod Cymru â'i sianel ei hun, bod BBC Cymru yn rhywbeth sy'n darlledu gyda llawer mwy o oriau ac arian, buasai hynny ddim i ddweud fy mod i ddim yn gallu gweld Eastenders hefyd. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod yna berygl mewn codi cwestiynau sy'n gallu bod yn rhai binary iawn, sy'n eithaf plentynnaidd mewn gwirionedd pan nid fel yna mae'r byd darlledu yn gweithredu ar hyn o bryd.
English: Of course there would be.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs y buasai.
English: That's why I started at my starting point. Because I would say that, if you had BBC Cymru Wales like BBC Scotland, which has been given £30 million in order to improve the service, now if we had that - . The people of Scotland can access Eastenders. They can view those programmes, but their service is so much better, and that's why I return constantly to this point. Rather than saying, 'This is where we are today, that's where I want to be tomorrow', which is not going to happen, we have to take these steps, and the most important thing at the moment is to secure improved services for Wales in order to narrow this deficit and ultimately to have the democracy that we deserve here in Wales.
Welsh: Wel dyna pam rwyf wedi dechrau gyda'r cam y gwnes i ddechrau gyda fe. Achos os buaswn i'n dweud bod BBC Cymru gyda chi, fel BBC yr Alban nawr, sydd wedi cael £30 miliwn er mwyn cael gwasanaeth gwell, os buasai hwnna gyda ni - . Dyw pobl yr Alban ddim ddim yn gweld Eastenders; maen nhw yn gallu gweld popeth arall, ond mae eu gwasanaeth nhw'n well yn fynna. Dyna pam dwi'n dod yn ôl at y pwynt drwy'r amser, yn hytrach na dweud, 'Fan hyn rŷn ni heddiw; fanna dwi eisiau bod yfory' - dyw hwnna ddim yn mynd i ddigwydd, mae'n rhaid inni gymryd y camau yma, a'r peth pwysicaf ar hyn o bryd yw sicrhau gwell gwasanaeth i Gymru er mwyn lleihau'r deficit ac er mwyn, yn y pen draw, cael y ddemocratiaeth rŷn ni'n ei haeddu yma yng Nghymru.
English: And in that democracy, I'd move right away from the provision. The provision has to be there, but once more, I come back to the creativity. I've been working with young people in schools in west Wales, and we conduct broadcasting workshops. We don't have any technical equipment, all we do is say, 'Right, in your area is there anything that's empty at the moment? How are you going to use those to broadcast in any way that you want?' The question is an open question. The responses are very interesting and full of potential. They cross every border. Some of them are technical responses, others are things to do, messages, issues to be discussed, but the most important thing is that they accept the challenge of thinking in terms of communicating and that they have the right to broadcast to each other and to the world.
Welsh: Ac yn y ddemocratiaeth yna, byddwn i'n mynd i'r pegwn arall a symud reit bant o'r ddarpariaeth. Mae'r ddarpariaeth yn gorfod bod yna ond, unwaith eto, byddwn i'n dod yn ôl at greadigrwydd. Dwi wedi bod yn gweithio gyda phobl ifanc mewn ysgolion yng ngorllewin Cymru ac rŷn ni'n gwneud gweithdai darlledu. Does gennym ni ddim offer technegol o gwbl, y cyfan rŷn ni'n ei wneud gyda nhw yw dweud, 'Reit, os oes stondinau llaeth yn eich ardal chi sy'n sefyll yn segur ar hyn o bryd, sut ŷch chi'n mynd i ddefnyddio'r rheini i ddarlledu, mewn unrhyw ffordd rŷch chi'n moyn?' Mae'r cwestiwn yn gwestiwn agored, mae'r atebion yn ddiddorol iawn, iawn ac yn llawn potensial. Maen nhw'n croesi pob ffin. Mae rhai ohonynt yn atebion technegol ac mae rhai eraill yn bethau i'w gwneud, negeseuon, pethau i'w trafod - mae'r holl bethau yna - ond y peth mwyaf pwysig yw eu bod nhw'n derbyn yr her o feddwl yn nhermau cyfathrebu a bod ganddyn nhw'r hawl i ddarlledu i'w gilydd ac i'r byd.
English: We're almost out of time and we do have a series of questions on resources, and it's important that we touch upon these. Are you okay to stay for another five or seven minutes? Fellow Members, just to inform you that one of our next witnesses is running late, so we do have a little leeway. Is that okay with you? Can you stay with us a little longer?
Welsh: Rydym ni bron allan o amser. Mae yna gyfres o gwestiynau ar adnoddau ac mae'n bwysig ein bod ni'n trio cyffwrdd ar y rhain. Ydych chi'n iawn i aros am ryw bump neu saith munud arall? I fy nghyd-Aelodau, mae un o'n tystion nesaf ni'n rhedeg yn hwyr beth bynnag, felly mae gennym ni bach o amser. A ydy hynny'n iawn gyda chi, i aros ymlaen am dipyn bach?
English: Excellent. Sometimes people do have to leave, so I just wanted to ask. So, resources questions.
Welsh: Gwych. Weithiau mae pobl yn gorfod mynd, felly roeddwn i jest eisiau gofyn. So, cwestiynau ar adnoddau.
English: The first step for me would be to strengthen the voice of Wales - . There are two things: strengthening Wales's voice within Wales, and then there is having a better portrayal of Wales on a UK level. So, there are those two things. For me personally, I think that strengthening the voice of Wales within Wales is the most important issue. I don't think that there is a sufficient service for people in Wales - news, current affairs, political discussion programmes, as well as lighter issues as to what we do as the people of Wales, sharing information, being part of this nation. And then, there is another deficit in terms of Wales's portrayal on a UK level. I think sometimes - . That portrayal is totally insufficient, but it's also insufficient here in Wales as to what we have here in Wales.
Welsh: Y cam cyntaf i fi fuasai cryfhau llais Cymru - . Wel, mae dau beth: mae cryfhau llais Cymru oddi mewn i Gymru, wedyn mae cael gwell portread o Gymru yn Brydeinig. Felly, mae'r ddau beth. I fi yn bersonol, dwi'n meddwl mai cryfhau llais Cymru oddi mewn i Gymru yw'r peth pwysicaf. Dwi ddim yn meddwl bod yna wasanaeth digonol i bobl Cymru - newyddion, materion cyfoes, rhaglenni trafod gwleidyddiaeth, yn ogystal â materion ysgafnach o ran beth rŷm ni'n wneud fel Cymry, rhannu gwybodaeth, bod yn rhan o'r wlad yma. Ac wedyn, mae yna ddiffyg arall o ran y portread o Gymru yn Brydeinig hefyd. Dwi'n meddwl ambell waith - . Wel, mae'r portread hwnnw yn hollol annigonol, ond mae'n annigonol hefyd o ran beth sydd yma yng Nghymru.
English: If I may, just to add to that, I would look, once more, I'd come back to this democratic deficit, and the word 'deficit' in Welsh, there are two elements to it. But it is a deficit whatever way you look at it, but the potential, really, to respond directly, to create a discussion and enable, as those young people think about the milk stand and what we need to discuss in this area from the top of that milk stand. We go straight into responding to the democratic deficit, and in creating, then, media that is not media in itself, but communicating to make a difference, and that difference is empowering. When we have a society that is empowering, we have the potential for 1 million Welsh speakers. When society is empowered, we have a foundational economy that grows and flourishes; we have an education system that responds to the needs and requirements on a local level. So, it moves from the monolith; that broadcasting monolith is coming apart. The time is right for us to think - not just to think, but to act - in that place where those boundaries don't exist.
Welsh: Os caf i jest ychwanegu at hwnna, unwaith eto, fe fyddwn i'n dod yn ôl at y diffyg democratiaeth, ac mae'r gair 'diffyg' yn Gymraeg yn ddiddorol achos mae yna ddwy elfen iddo fe. Ond mae e'n ddiffyg pa bynnag ffordd rŷch chi'n edrych arno fe, a'r potensial, mewn gwirionedd, i ateb yn uniongyrchol, i greu trafodaethau a galluogi fel mae'r pobl ifanc yna yn meddwl amboutu'r stondin laeth a beth sydd angen i ni ei drafod yn yr ardal yma o ben y stondin laeth yna. Rŷn ni'n mynd reit at ganol ateb y diffyg democratiaeth, ac o greu, wedyn, cyfrwng sydd ddim yn gyfrwng ynddo'i hunain, ond sydd yn gyfrwng i wneud gwahaniaeth, a'r gwahaniaeth yna yn wahaniaeth o ymbweru. Pan mae gennym ni gymdeithas yn ymbweru, mae gennym ni botensial o filiwn o siaradwyr. Pan mae'r gymdeithas yn ymbweru, mae gennym ni economi sylfaenol sydd yn tyfu; mae gennym ni wasanaeth addysg sydd yn ymateb i'r anghenion a'r potensial yn lleol. Ac felly, mae e'n symud o'r monolith; mae'r monolith darlledu yna yn datgymalu. Mae'r amser yn iawn i ni ddechrau meddwl - mwy na dechrau meddwl; dechrau gweithredu - o fewn y lle lle nad yw'r ffiniau yna yn bodoli.
English: The BBC is a public service and that's why everyone pays the licence fee, and I think that one of the problems within the BBC at the moment is perhaps that it forgets its public service broadcasting remit, and tries to be all things to all people at all times. That is one of reasons now that the Government is looking at it, particularly when competitors feel that they are disadvantaged because the BBC gets all of this money and they can do all things for all people. But if you look at public service and what public service is supposed to be, namely something that fills a gap left by the market, then I would argue that the Welsh language comes very close to the top of the list in terms of what should be done. I would also argue that the Welsh language belongs to the whole of the UK; it is one of the oldest languages of these isles and I think safeguarding that is crucially important. I would also go on to say that public service would mean that you need to adequately fund the different elements within the UK, and that means Wales, Scotland and the English regions too. So, that isn't happening at the moment. I know that the BBC might argue, 'So much funding is provided for Wales and so on', but there are specific reasons why we have this additional need for public service broadcasting, and I think we do need to make that point very strongly indeed.
Welsh: Gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yw'r BBC a dyna pam mae pawb yn talu'r ffi drwydded, a dwi'n meddwl mai un o'r problemau oddi mewn i'r BBC ar hyn o bryd yw, o bosib, ei fod e'n anghofio'i remit gwasanaeth cyhoeddus, ac yn trio bod yn bopeth i bawb trwy'r amser. Dyna un o'r rhesymau nawr mae'r Llywodraeth yn edrych arno fe ac yn dweud, yn enwedig pan efallai fod cystadleuwyr yn teimlo eu bod nhw o dan anfantais achos bod y BBC yn cael yr holl arian yma a'u bod nhw'n gallu gwneud popeth - . Ond os oeddech chi'n edrych ar wasanaeth cyhoeddus a beth yw gwasanaeth cyhoeddus i fod, sef rhywbeth sydd yn talu am bethau achos bod y farchnad ddim yn gallu gwneud, wel, buaswn i'n dadlau wedyn fod yr iaith Gymraeg yn dod yn agos iawn i dop y list o beth ddylai gael ei wneud. Buaswn i hefyd yn dadlau bod yr iaith Gymraeg yn perthyn i Brydain gyfan; mae'n un o'r ieithoedd hynaf felly dwi'n meddwl bod gwarchod hynny yn rhywbeth sy'n hollbwysig. Buaswn i hefyd yn dweud wedyn fod gwasanaeth cyhoeddus yn golygu bod yn rhaid ariannu'n iawn wahanol elfennau o fewn Prydain hefyd, ac mae hynny'n golygu Cymru, yr Alban a rhanbarthau eraill yn Lloegr hefyd. Felly, dyw hynny ddim yn digwydd ar hyn o bryd. Dwi'n gwybod efallai y buasai'r BBC yn dadlau, 'Wel, mae hyn a hyn o arian yn dod i Gymru ac ati.' Mae yna resymau penodol pam fod gennym ni'r angen am y gwasanaeth cyhoeddus hwnnw, a dwi'n meddwl bod angen inni weiddi'n groch amdano fe.
English: Well, ultimately, then, Wales as a nation would have to look at what sort of broadcasting it wants. I do feel on occasion that because we are part of the UK, we are neighbours to England - because the BBC has been part of our psyche since it was established and was that world leader, we sometimes feel that that's the only solution. But when you look at other European nations, then every one of them has public service broadcasting and every one of them pays for public service broadcasting in ways that are entirely different. It's very difficult to look at any nation and say, 'Well, that's the best approach, that's the best approach or that's not the way to do it.' But there are different approaches and every other country adopts those approaches. It is at the heart of the democracy of the nation. And I'm talking about now, but in looking to the future, then of course we need additional sufficient funding, and it's then a matter of doing the research and looking at what different models of public service broadcasting exist throughout Europe and throughout the rest of the world, to see how we in Wales would ensure that there is adequate public service for our people.
Welsh: Wel, yn y pen draw, wedyn, buasai'n rhaid i Gymru fel gwlad edrych ar ba fath o ddarlledu maen nhw'n moyn. Dwi yn teimlo ambell waith, achos ein bod ni'n rhan o Brydain, rŷn ni'n gymdogion i Loegr - achos bod y BBC wedi bod yn rhan o'n seici ni ers i'r BBC gael ei greu ac arwain y byd mewn gwirionedd, bod ni'n rhyw fath o deimlo mai dyna'r unig ateb sydd. Ond pan rŷch chi'n edrych ar wledydd Ewrop, mae pob un ohonyn nhw â darlledu cyhoeddus ac mae pob un ohonyn nhw'n talu am ddarlledu cyhoeddus mewn ffyrdd sy'n hollol wahanol. Mae'n anodd iawn edrych ar unrhyw wlad a dweud, 'Wel, dyna'r ffordd neu dyna'r ffordd neu ddim fel yna.' Ond mae yna ffyrdd gwahanol ac mae pob gwlad arall yn gwneud hynny. Mae e'n greiddiol i ddemocratiaeth gwlad. Felly, dwi'n siarad am nawr, ond wrth siarad am y dyfodol, wrth gwrs bod angen ariannu digonol, ac mae'n fater wedyn o edrych a gwneud gwaith ymchwil ar ba fath o wahanol esiamplau o ddarlledu cyhoeddus sydd yna trwy Ewrop, trwy weddill y byd, i weld sut buasem ni yng Nghymru wedyn yn sicrhau bod gwasanaeth cyhoeddus, digonol ymhob ffurf ar gyfer ein pobl ni.
English: And within that, within the democratic argument of strengthening democracy, then, of course, funding is central to that question, isn't it - to all of it? But that that funding on devolved broadcasting is based on the ability of the power of broadcasting to operate across the whole active silos that strengthen the economy, health, education and so forth.
Welsh: Ac o fewn hynny, o fewn y ddadl ddemocrataidd yma o gryfhau democratiaeth, wel, wrth gwrs, mae ariannu yn ganolog i'r cwestiwn yna, onid yw e - i'r holl beth? Ond bod yr ariannu ar ddarlledu datganoledig yn seiliedig ar allu y grym o ddarlledu, y pŵer o ddarlledu, i weithredu ar draws yr holl seilos gweithredol sydd yn cryfhau economi, iechyd, addysg ac yn y blaen.