English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I have to be honest, I was actually quite cynical in the early days when you were bringing the free bus passes in. I thought, 'They'll never afford it.' And do you know what? I have to take my hat off to the Welsh Government because I think it's one of the best policies you've brought forward. [ Interruption.] But it's actually been a victim of its own success. But I have to look at my own constituency, and we do have an older demographic there. Now, last Wednesday, Dr Dai Lloyd AM, myself, and Julie, our Deputy Minister, and Helena Herklots were present for a hustings on the state of the nation report, the Older People's Commissioner for Wales report, which included an awful lot of data that her and her team had collected from across Wales, and she herself has actually put out quite robust opposition to you moving the age from 60 to 65. And just some of the reasons - . I think Mike Hedges had actually read this before he read it out, but, basically, that it will have significant impact on our older people, it does run the risk of increasing loneliness and isolation, and also every pound spent on concessionary fares returns at least £2.87 in benefits for older people, their communities and local economies. So, it says here over 150,000 - [ Interruption.] - older people in Wales either will not travel or will choose other travel modes. I suppose, for me, what concerns me is that you've worked out the figures of what it's going to save the Government, but I've - [ Interruption.] Right, okay, well, you've worked out the figures, then, as to why you're going to extend the age limit higher -
Welsh: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Rhaid imi fod yn onest, roeddwn mewn gwirionedd yn eithaf sinigaidd yn y dyddiau cynnar pan roeddech yn cyflwyno pasys bws am ddim. Meddyliais, 'ni fyddan nhw byth yn gallu fforddio hyn.' A wyddoch chi? Mae'n rhaid i mi ganmol Llywodraeth Cymru oherwydd fy mod yn credu ei fod yn un o'r polisïau gorau yr ydych chi wedi'u cyflwyno. [ Torri ar draws.] Ond mae wedi dioddef yn sgil ei lwyddiant ei hun mewn gwirionedd. Ond mae'n rhaid i mi edrych ar fy etholaeth i, ac mae gennym ni ddemograffeg hŷn yno. Nawr, ddydd Mercher diwethaf, roedd Dr Dai Lloyd AC, minnau, a Julie, ein Dirprwy Weinidog, a Helena Herklots yn bresennol ar gyfer hystingau ar yr adroddiad ar gyflwr y genedl, adroddiad Comisiynydd Pobl Hŷn Cymru, a oedd yn cynnwys llawer iawn o ddata yr oedd hi a'i thîm wedi ei gasglu o bob rhan o Gymru, ac mae hi ei hun wedi mynegi gwrthwynebiad eithaf cryf i'r bwriad o newid yr oedran o 60 i 65. A dim ond rhai o'r rhesymau - . Rwy'n credu bod Mike Hedges wedi darllen hwn mewn gwirionedd cyn iddo ei gyhoeddi, ond, yn y bôn, bydd yn cael effaith sylweddol ar ein pobl hŷn, mae'n creu risg o gynyddu unigrwydd ac ynysigrwydd, a hefyd mae pob punt a werir ar docynnau teithio rhatach yn dychwelyd o leiaf £2.87 mewn buddion i bobl hŷn, eu cymunedau a'u heconomïau lleol. Felly, mae'n dweud yma dros 150,000 - [ Torri ar draws.] - bydd pobl hŷn yng Nghymru naill ai'n dewis peidio teithio neu'n dewis moddau eraill o deithio. Mae'n debyg i mi, yr hyn sy'n fy mhoeni i yw eich bod wedi cyfrifo faint y bydd yn arbed i'r Llywodraeth, ond rwyf wedi - [ Torri ar draws.] Iawn, iawn, wel, rydych chi wedi cyfrifo'r ffigurau, felly, o ran pam eich bod chi'n mynd i godi'r terfyn oedran -