English: I can understand your annoyance at the posturing of Plaid Cymru over this matter, but you probably take some satisfaction from the recognition that what Plaid Cymru say is true, to the extent that we desperately need a Labour Government in Westminster because it's the only way that we will actually be able to abolish section 25 of the Railways Act 1993, which prohibits public ownership - and, of course, the hypocrisy of the Tories, who have nationalised the east coast railway. It's the third time they've re-nationalised it because every time it goes into the private sector, after the private sector fails it goes into the public sector, makes a profit, they privatise it, it loses money, it goes back into the public sector. So, there's total hypocrisy there. But we desperately need that Labour Government in Westminster to do that. What I was going to ask you, though, Cabinet Secretary: of fundamental importance is the workers in the industry. To what extent have you been able to engage with the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, with the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen and with the Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - the people who will actually be required to work in and to deliver that - that their position will be protected with guards and so on, and on the extent to which they actually welcome this initiative so far? Also, within Transport for Wales, which I very much welcome, coming into Pontypridd to help regenerate the town, to what extent is there the flexibility within the system, when Jeremy Corbyn is Prime Minister, when we have a Labour Government in Westminster and we've abolished section 25, to bring this and the rest of the railway network into public ownership, with the Labour Party as the only party that is actually able, capable, of delivering that?
Welsh: Gallaf ddeall eich dicter tuag at agwedd Plaid Cymru mewn perthynas â'r mater hwn, ond mae'n debyg eich bod yn cael rhyw foddhad o gydnabod bod yr hyn a ddywed Plaid Cymru yn wir, i'r graddau bod taer angen Llywodraeth Lafur yn San Steffan oherwydd dyna'r unig ffordd y byddwn yn gallu diddymu adran 25 o Ddeddf Rheilffyrdd 1993, sy'n gwahardd perchnogaeth gyhoeddus - ac wrth gwrs, rhagrith y Torïaid, sydd wedi gwladoli rheilffordd arfordir y dwyrain. Dyma'r trydydd tro iddynt ei ail-wladoli oherwydd bob tro y mae'n mynd i'r sector preifat, ar ôl i'r sector preifat fethu mae'n mynd i'r sector cyhoeddus, mae'n gwneud elw, maent yn ei phreifateiddio, mae'n colli arian, mae'n mynd yn ôl i'r sector cyhoeddus. Felly, mae rhagrith llwyr yno. Ond mae taer angen i Lywodraeth Lafur yn San Steffan wneud hynny. Fodd bynnag, yr hyn roeddwn am ei ofyn i chi, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet: mae'r gweithwyr yn y diwydiant yn hanfodol bwysig. I ba raddau y galloch chi ymgysylltu ag Undeb Cenedlaethol y Gweithwyr Rheilffordd, Morwrol a Thrafnidiaeth, gyda Chymdeithas Gysylltiedig y Peirianwyr Locomotifau a Diffoddwyr Tân a Chymdeithas Staff Cyflogedig Trafnidiaeth - y bobl a fydd yn gorfod gweithio i gyflawni hynny mewn gwirionedd - a sicrhau y cânt eu diogelu gan gardiaid ac ati, a chanfod i ba raddau y maent yn croesawu'r fenter hon hyd yma? Hefyd, o fewn Trafnidiaeth Cymru, yr wyf yn ei groesawu'n fawr iawn, sy'n dod i Bontypridd er mwyn helpu i adfywio'r dref, i ba raddau y ceir hyblygrwydd o fewn y system, pan fydd Jeremy Corbyn yn Brif Weinidog, pan fydd gennym Lywodraeth Lafur yn San Steffan a phan fyddwn wedi diddymu adran 25, i sicrhau bod hyn a gweddill y rhwydwaith rheilffyrdd yn cael eu trosglwyddo i berchnogaeth gyhoeddus, gan mai'r Blaid Lafur yw'r unig blaid sydd â'r gallu i gyflawni hynny mewn gwirionedd?