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English: Thank you, Chair. And I don't disagree with a great deal of what you've said about the issues. It is a problem that people in Wales don't receive the news that they deserve. We see that in terms of the press; we see it because of the fact that so many people, most people, read newspapers from England; and, of course, one can never say that the provision of news from the BBC is perfect either on the UK level. But, for me, I think the problem has been considered, but it needs to be considered in terms of how we can solve the problem. One of the problems with the commercial sector, of course, is that you can tell them, 'Well, you have to ensure that you produce such and such a number of your programmes in Welsh', and they can say, 'Well, there we are, we're going then, unless we have the resources as well.' And what I'm wrestling with at the moment, remembering that it's possible for people to broadcast online, and that's very difficult to regulate, is: are we really talking about regulation here? Would that be effective? How could it be effective in practical terms? That's the very open-ended question that I'm asking. Secondly, are we talking about the fact that more resources are needed? I'm sure that the answer to that is 'yes.' But are resources the answer? Telling people, 'Well, we want you to ensure that you broadcast 50 per cent' - for example - 'through the medium of Welsh, and these are the resources for that to ensure that you do it', or are we talking about a mixture of those things?
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. A dwi ddim yn anghytuno â llawer o beth rydych chi wedi dweud ynglŷn â'r problemau. Mae fe'n broblem bod pobl yng Nghymru ddim yn cael y newyddion maen nhw'n ei haeddu. Rŷn ni'n gweld hwnna, wrth gwrs, ynglŷn â'r wasg; rŷn ni'n gweld yna o achos y ffaith bod cymaint o bobl, y rhan fwyaf o bobl, yn darllen papurau newydd o Loegr; ac, wrth gwrs, gallwn ni byth ddweud bod y ddarpariaeth o newyddion o'r BBC yn berffaith ychwaith ar lefel Brydeinig. I fi, rwy'n credu bod y broblem wedi cael ei hystyried, ond y peth yw, ym mha ffordd ydyn ni'n gallu datrys y broblem. Un o'r problemau, wrth gwrs, gyda'r sector masnachol yw y gallwch chi ddweud wrthyn nhw, 'Mae'n rhaid i chi sicrhau bod gennych chi hyn a hyn o'ch rhaglenni yn Gymraeg', a gallan nhw ddweud 'Wel, dyna fe, ni'n mynd te, os nad oes adnoddau'n dod hefyd.' Ac, i fi, beth dwi'n reslo gyda ar hyn o bryd, wrth gofio ei bod hi'n hollol bosib i bobl ddarlledu ar-lein, ac mae hwnna'n anodd dros ben i'w reoleiddio, yw: ydyn ni'n siarad yn wir am reoleiddio? A fyddai hwnna'n rhywbeth effeithiol? Ym mha ffordd gallai fe fod yn effeithiol mewn ffordd ymarferol? Dyna'r cwestiwn agored rwy'n gofyn. Yn ail, a ydyn ni'n siarad ynglŷn â'r ffaith bod eisiau mwy o adnoddau? Dwi'n siŵr mai'r ateb i hwnna yw 'ydyn.' Ond ai adnoddau yw'r ateb? Dweud wrth bobl, 'Ni'n moyn i chi sicrhau eich bod chi'n darlledu 50 y cant' - i roi enghraifft - 'yn Gymraeg, a dyma'r adnoddau er mwyn sicrhau eich bod chi'n gallu ei wneud e', neu ydyn ni'n siarad am ryw fath o gymysgedd?
English: You don't need more resources.
Welsh: Does dim eisiau mwy o adnoddau.
English: The problem that I have at the moment - I'm going to finish in a minute, I promise - is that it's not clear in what way regulation would work. Even though it's a principle and I see the principle, how would it work, and especially how would it work without additional resources to ensure that what we want to see happens?
Welsh: Y broblem sydd gyda fi ar hyn o bryd yw - a fi'n mynd i gwpla mewn munud - dwi ddim yn glir ynglŷn ag ym mha ffordd byddai rheoleiddio yn gweithio. Er taw egwyddor yw e, a dwi'n gweld yr egwyddor, ym mha ffordd byddai'n gweithio, ac yn enwedig sut byddai'n gweithio heb adnoddau ychwanegol er mwyn sicrhau bod beth rŷn ni eisiau ei weld yn digwydd?
English: I don't see that any additional resources are required to provide, for example, 50 per cent more programmes. One thing I don't understand is this fear that these commercial companies will pick up and leave. It just creates a gap for what we actually need. That's the point of regulation: to say what's important to a nation and its people. In terms of regulation, that's how it is in all areas.
Welsh: Ie, dwi ddim yn gweld bod angen unrhyw adnoddau ychwanegol er mwyn, er enghraifft, creu 50 y cant mwy o raglenni. Ac un peth dwi ddim yn deall yw'r ofn yma y bydd y cwmnïau masnachol yn dweud, 'Ni'n mynd te.' Mae jest yn creu bwlch i beth ni angen. Hynny yw, dyna beth yw pwynt rheoleiddio: dweud beth sy'n bwysig i genedl a'i phobl. A rheoleiddio, dyna fel mae ym mhob maes.
English: It's also crucial that the resources are in place. If you look at S4C, for example, then the question of resources is hugely important because the resources of S4C are quite substantial. If that funding weren't available, it would be up to the Welsh Government to provide. Without a transfer from the UK Government, the funding wouldn't be there to run S4C at the moment, so it would be crucial - . We wouldn't want to be in a situation where, for example, they were to retain the funding in London and we were to run S4C and had to find the money. That would be more or less a transfer of funds out of Wales in a way. So, the question of resource is very important indeed. In principle, one would argue that we have a channel that only broadcasts in Wales, in the geographical sense - but there is the digital, of course - so it makes sense for that channel, for example - . For me, we do need to consider broadcasting in both languages, but it would make sense for S4C to be a responsibility of the Welsh Government, but the resources are something that we would have to take into account. There are ways, perhaps, of being more commercial. We see other nations where they do that, and S4C has been successful in doing that in the past. But that's what I'm wrestling with at the moment. I know that there would be a problem of resource with S4C, so how would we resolve that? Or, as an earlier witness said, is there a way of taking regulatory powers without having to pay for it?
Welsh: Mae'n hollbwysig hefyd on'd yw e, bod yr adnoddau yn dod - . Os edrychwch chi, er enghraifft, ar S4C, mae'r cwestiwn o adnoddau yn un bwysig dros ben, achos mae adnoddau S4C yn eithaf sylweddol. Pe bai'r arian ddim yna, byddai i fyny i Lywodraeth Cymru. Heb drosglwyddiad o arian o Lundain, byddai'r arian ddim yna i redeg S4C ar hyn o bryd, felly, byddai'n hollbwysig - . Byddem ni ddim yn moyn bod mewn sefyllfa, er enghraifft, lle buasen nhw'n cadw'r arian yn Llundain a ni i fod i redeg S4C ac yn gorfod ffeindio'r arian. Mae hwnna jest yn trosglwyddo arian, mwy neu lai, mas o Gymru mewn ffordd. So, mae'r cwestiwn o adnoddau yn un bwysig dros ben. Mewn egwyddor, byddai rhywun yn dadlau, 'Wel, mae gyda ni sianel sydd ddim ond yn darlledu yng Nghymru o ran tiriogaeth - mae'n ddigidol, wrth gwrs - so, felly, mae'n gwneud synnwyr i'r sianel honno, er enghraifft - .' I fi, mae'n rhaid ystyried darlledu yn y ddwy iaith, ond mae'n gwneud synnwyr efallai i sianel S4C i fod yn rhan o Lywodraeth Cymru, hynny yw, i gael ei rheoli gan Lywodraeth Cymru, ond mae'r adnoddau'n rhywbeth y mae'n rhaid i ni eu hystyried. Mae yna ffyrdd, efallai, i fod yn fwy masnachol - ni'n gweld gwledydd eraill lle maen nhw'n gwneud hynny a gwerthu, ac mae S4C wedi bod yn llwyddiannus yn gwneud hynny. Ond dyna beth dwi'n reslo gyda ar hyn o bryd. Rwy'n gwybod y byddai problem adnoddau gyda S4C, so, ym mha ffordd ŷn ni'n datrys hwnna? Neu, oes yna ffordd i gymryd, fel y dywedodd y tyst cyn chi, y grym o reoleiddio heb orfod talu amdano fe?
English: No, we're more than happy to pay for that, of course, as do all other civilised nations in Europe and worldwide that have control over their own broadcasting. But the evidence that we've put forward is that we take the licence fee. If it's devolved and if England decides that the licence fee should come to an end, well, Wales could decide that it doesn't here, and we would have public broadcasters - not the BBC, but public broadcasters for Wales. So, there would be that tv licence and the tax from Wales that goes to running DCMS and Ofcom - the millions spent on that - so, we've got that as well, and then what is discussed in our paper, and also discussed in nations across Europe, is a levy on technology companies, if you want to consider those more commercial issues. You could use that resource to fund these other things that are needed in Wales. So, in terms of resources, that's why this is eminently possible and that's why other countries, worldwide, have been able to run their own affairs. There has been a national communications council established last year. It was a civil movement, because nothing is being done by the Government and because there is that need. Experts from different areas have come together to look at regulation in Wales. So, it's important to look at their work, I think, as well.
Welsh: Na, rŷm ni'n fwy na hapus i dalu amdano fe, wrth gwrs, fel pob cenedl arall gwareiddiedig yn Ewrop ac yn y byd, hynny yw, cenhedloedd sydd yn amlwg â rheolaeth dros eu darlledu eu hunain. Ond y dystiolaeth rydyn ni wedi'i rhoi yw ein bod ni'n cymryd y ffi drwydded. Os yw e wedi'i ddatganoli ac os yw Lloegr yn penderfynu bod y ffi drwydded yn dod i ben, wel, gallai Cymru, wrth gwrs, benderfynu ein bod ni ddim, a bod gyda ni ddarlledwyr cyhoeddus - dim y BBC, ond darlledwyr cyhoeddus i Gymru. Felly, mae yna ffi drwydded ac mae'r dreth sy'n mynd, ar hyn o bryd, o bobl Cymru i redeg y DCMS ac Ofcom - y miliynau sy'n mynd at hynny - ac wedyn wrth gwrs, beth sy'n cael ei drafod yn ein papur ni, a hefyd sy'n cael ei drafod gan wledydd ar draws Ewrop, yw'r ardoll ar gwmnïau technegol, os ydych chi'n moyn ystyried pethau mwy masnachol wrth gwrs. Gellid defnyddio'r arian yna i wneud pethau eraill sydd ei hangen ar Gymru. Felly, o ran adnoddau, dyna pam mae'n hollol bosibl a dyna pam mae'n bosib i bob cenedl ar draws y byd i redeg eu lle eu hunain. Mae yna Gyngor Cyfathrebu Cenedlaethol wedi'i sefydlu'r llynedd - symudiad sifil o achos bod dim byd yn cael ei wneud gan y Llywodraeth, achos bod yr angen yn ddybryd. Chwarae teg, mae yna arbenigwyr o wahanol feysydd wedi dod at ei gilydd i ddechrau edrych ar reoleiddio yng Nghymru. Felly, mae'n bwysig i gadw llygaid ar eu gwaith nhw, dwi'n credu, hefyd.
English: In terms of public broadcasters, we've proposed in our discussion paper, various different models and means that could be considered. There are other options, in terms of funding public broadcasting, from nations across the world. You could combine contributions from the public purse or the licence fee whilst allowing a certain amount of advertising. So, there is a whole range of options. In terms of resources within the private sector, where people subscribe to Sky and Netflix and so on, well, they receive tens of billions of pounds from us in Wales through subscriptions already - that is their incentive to create some content for us that represents us. So, I don't think we would need to provide or offer greater resources to them than what they already receive from us.
Welsh: O ran darlledwyr cyhoeddus, dŷn ni wedi cynnig yn ein papur trafod ni gwahanol fodelau a dulliau i'w hystyried. Mae yna syniadau a dulliau eraill o ariannu darlledu cyhoeddus gan wledydd ar draws y byd, gan gyfuno cyfraniadau o'r pwrs cyhoeddus neu gyfraniadau ffi drwydded gydag ychydig o ganiatáu hyn a hyn o oriau o hysbysebu hefyd. So, mae yna lwyth o wahanol bethau. O ran adnoddau, wedyn, gyda'r sector breifat, lle mae pobl yn tanysgrifio i bethau fel Sky, Netflix a phethau, wel, mae degau o filiynau y maen nhw'n cael gennym ni yng Nghymru trwy ein tanysgrifiadau ni yn barod - dyna ydy'u hannogaeth i greu rhywfaint o gynnwys sydd ar ein cyfer ni ac yn ein cynrychioli ni. So, does dim angen ychwanegu at na chynnig mwy o adnoddau iddyn nhw na beth maen nhw'n ei gael gennym ni'n barod.
English: Colin, did you want to come in?
Welsh: Colin, oeddech chi'n moyn dod i mewn ar y cwestiwn yna?
English: I was just going to say, we've met with Welsh Government and we've put forward our figures. We've done the work as best we can, and we are very confident that it could be funded. We've asked the Welsh Government to research any information that would challenge our findings, and if you don't believe our figures, then you should undertake your own research if you have questions to ask, or this committee could do that. But we are confident that we have come up with a system that could fund not just what we already have, but expand the platforms and expand the content not just from Wales but about Wales, that is provided through those funding streams. So, I would challenge the Welsh Government and the committee: if you do have those financial questions, well, you have the resources to be able to come up with the solutions. We've done very detailed work on our figures. I think it would be reasonable to expect the Welsh Government, or you as a committee, to look at and to ensure that you have that financial assurance on our figures.
Welsh: Roeddwn i jest yn mynd i ddweud, dŷn ni wedi cwrdd â Llywodraeth Cymru, a dŷn ni wedi cyflwyno ein ffigyrau. Dŷn ni wedi gwneud y gwaith y gorau y gallem ni, ac yn ffyddiog iawn bod yna fodd ariannu'r peth. Dŷn ni wedi gofyn i'r Llywodraeth gwneud ymchwil i herio ein ffigyrau ni, neu i greu ffigyrau eu hunain. Dwi'n meddwl, os dŷch chi ddim yn credu ein ffigyrau ni, ewch i wneud eich gwaith ymchwil eich hunain os oes gyda chi cwestiynau ariannol, neu gallai'r pwyllgor yma wneud hynny. Ond dŷn ni'n ffyddiog ein bod ni wedi dod lan â system sydd yn gallu ariannu, nid yn unig yr hyn sydd gyda ni, ond ehangu'r llwyfannau ac ehangu'r cynnwys nid jest o Gymru ond am Gymru, sy'n cael ei darparu trwy'r dulliau ariannol hynny. Felly, buaswn i'n herio, mewn ffordd, Llywodraeth Cymru a'r pwyllgor: os oes gyda chi cwestiynau ariannol, mae gyda chi adnoddau i allu dod lan ag atebion. Dŷn ni wedi gwneud gwaith manwl iawn ynglŷn â ffigyrau. Dwi'n meddwl y byddai fe'n rhesymol i ddisgwyl i Lywodraeth Cymru neu chithau fel pwyllgor edrych ar sut y gellid cael y sicrwydd ariannol rydych chi'n chwilio amdano fe.
English: Also, in doing so, we should look at the value for money that we receive. So, in looking at the funding that's currently provided, the BBC says, 'You have so much' - what's the real value of that? If our people don't know where decisions are made, what's the value-for-money aspect there? So, whilst you're carrying out that financial research, it may be worth looking at that, too.
Welsh: A hefyd, wrth wneud hynny, edrych ar y gwerth am arian rŷn ni'n ei gael. Felly, wrth edrych ar yr arian sydd ar hyn o bryd, mae'r BBC yn dweud, 'O, ni'n cael llwyth' - beth yw'r gwir werth? Os nad yw ein pobl ni'n gwybod ble mae'r penderfyniadau yn cael eu gwneud, beth yw'r gwerth am yr arian yna hefyd? Tra eich bod chi'n gwneud yr ymchwil ariannol, efallai y buasai'n werth edrych ar hynny, hefyd.
English: One short question. Aled, I just wanted to look at something that was just said. What I heard was that companies such as Amazon Prime and Netflix, because people subscribe to them, there is some kind of pressure that we could bring to bear there, is there?
Welsh: Un cwestiwn bach. Aled, roeddwn i'n jest moyn edrych ar rywbeth a gafodd ei ddweud nawr. Beth glywais i oedd, gyda chwmnïau fel Netflix ac Amazon Prime, o achos y ffaith bod pobl Cymru yn talu atyn nhw, mae yna ryw fath o bwysau y byddem ni'n gallu rhoi arnyn nhw.
English: If they were to say, 'Sorry, we're not going to do that', what happens then? Say that they can't broadcast in Wales? That wouldn't be very popular, would it?
Welsh: Ond, petasen nhw'n dweud, 'Sori, dŷn ni ddim yn mynd i wneud hynny', beth sy'n digwydd wedyn? Dweud eu bod nhw'n ffaelu darlledu yng Nghymru? Dyw hwnna ddim yn mynd i fod yn boblogaidd iawn, ydy e?
English: As Colin said: how much money do they make? How much money does Sky make from subscribers in Wales? It's more than you think. If they had to do such and such - . They're business people, everything's possible to them. It's attitudes such as this, this fear that they'll pick up and leave, that hold us back -
Welsh: Fel dywedodd Colin: faint o arian maen nhw'n ei wneud? Faint o arian mae Sky yn ei wneud o danysgrifwyr yng Nghymru? Maen nhw'n gwneud mwy na beth ŷch chi'n meddwl. Os oes rhaid iddyn nhw wneud hyn a hyn - . Pobl busnes ydyn nhw, maen nhw'n gallu gwneud popeth, mae popeth yn bosibl iddyn nhw. Agweddau fel hyn, ofn eu bod nhw'n mynd i fynd sydd yn ein hatal ni -
English: For the broadcast feed, one person at a time, please.
Welsh: Er mwyn y darlledu, un person ar y tro, os gwelwch yn dda.
English: [ Inaudible.] - sorry. What would be the sanction on them?
Welsh: [ Anhyglyw.] - sori. Beth fyddai'r gosb?
English: The question is: who has responsibility now for ensuring that the Welsh language is on digital platforms such as Netflix and YouTube? The answer is nobody. Nobody takes the role of ensuring that there is greater content through the medium of Welsh on these platforms, and that is a huge problem in terms of the visibility of the Welsh language in people's everyday lives. We've talked about a levy on some of these companies or a tax, and that is a possible penalty. I wouldn't see it as a penalty myself, but the reason for levying that tax is because there are companies that do make huge profits on the back of content that is publicly funded. So, we would tax them in order to intervene in the market. That isn't a penalty, it's a means of ensuring that there is more content available. So, the starting point, in my view, is to look at what body in the current UK broadcast system stands up for the Welsh language in order to ensure that the Welsh language is visible on these platforms. It's nobody's responsibility at the moment, so the starting point is to establish a body - and we did mention the national communications council - that would have that remit, and that is one of the most important things that is currently missing.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl y man cychwyn yw: pwy sydd gyda chyfrifoldeb nawr dros sicrhau bod y Gymraeg ar blatfformau digidol fel Netflix a YouTube? Yr ateb yw: neb. Does neb yn cymryd y rôl a'r cyfrifoldeb o sicrhau bod yna fwy o bresenoldeb i'r Gymraeg a Chymru ar blatfform fel YouTube. Mae hwnna'n ddiffyg. Mae'n ddiffyg enbyd o safbwynt presenoldeb y Gymraeg ym mywydau pobl. Nawr, dŷn ni wedi sôn am dreth ar rai o'r cwmnïau hyn. Felly, mae hwn yn gosb bosibl, onid ydy e? Hynny yw, fuaswn i ddim yn ei weld e fel cosb, achos y rheswm dros y dreth yw bod yna gwmnïau, os gaf i orffen, sy'n gwneud elw enfawr ar gefn cynnwys sy'n cael ei ariannu yn gyhoeddus, ac felly rŷn ni'n eu trethi nhw er mwyn ymyrryd yn y farchnad. Nid cosb ydy hynny, ond dull o sicrhau bod yna fwy o gynnwys. Felly, y man cychwyn, buaswn i'n ei ddweud yw, pa gorff yn y system darlledu Brydeinig sydd yn sefyll lan dros y Gymraeg a Chymru o ran sicrhau bod yna bresenoldeb ar lein ar y platfform hwn? Does yna neb. A dweud y gwir, mae Ofcom yn dweud, 'Dyw e ddim yn rhan o'n cyfrifoldeb ni'. Felly, y man cychwyn yw sefydlu corff sydd gyda - fel rŷn ni'n sôn am Gyngor Cyfathrebu Cenedlaethol - y remit yna. Dyna un o'r pethau pwysicaf sydd ar goll.
English: Yes. We have looked at how a levy on some of these private sector companies could contribute to that cost. In terms of evidence, we've looked at the annual reports of Ofcom, the BBC and S4C, and we've looked at the precedent in Ireland in that regard. We've also discussed with many experts and other organisations so that they could challenge our figures. The reason I put that burden on the Government and on the committee to research these figures is that I think it's fair to say to them: 'We are a voluntary organisation that's done this work to the best of our ability. You have more resources to look at these questions.' I think it's a fair question. To be fair, we don't have Welsh figures for some of the things that we're looking at, so it wouldn't be possible to come up with those figures. So we do have to provide some estimates on that level, but I think it is a sincere, honest attempt to place in the public sphere the figures to the best of our ability. We have met Mark Drakeford and asked the Welsh Government to undertake this research, and I think they're open to doing that, but I think they would be in a better situation to do that further work.
Welsh: Oes. Dŷn ni wedi edrych ar sut y gallai ardoll ar rai cwmniau sector preifat a rhyngwladol gyfrannu at y costau hynny. O ran sail y dystiolaeth, rydym ni wedi edrych ar adroddiadau blynyddol y BBC, Ofcom ac S4C, a dŷn ni wedi edrych ar gynseiliau yn Iwerddon o ran hynny o beth, a dŷn ni wedi trafod gyda nifer o arbenigwyr a mudiadau eraill o ran gofyn iddyn nhw herio ein ffigurau ni. Y rheswm dwi'n rhoi rhyw faint o faich ar y pwyllgor a Llywodraeth Cymru yw achos dwi'n meddwl ei fod yn gwestiwn teg i ofyn iddyn nhw: 'Ocê, dyn ni'n fudiad gwirfoddol sydd wedi gwneud y gwaith y gorau y gallwn ni ei wneud. Mae gyda chi mwy o adnoddau i edrych ar y cwestiwn yma.' Dwi'n meddwl ei fod yn gwestiwn teg. A bod yn deg inni hefyd, does yna ddim ffigurau Cymreig ar gyfer rhai o'r pethau rŷn ni'n sôn amdanyn nhw, felly byddai ddim yn bosib i ddod lan â ffigurau, so mae angen gwneud rhyw amcangyfrif ar ryw lefel. Felly, mae'n ymdrech diffuant, gonest i roi yn y sffêr cyhoeddus y ffigurau gorau roedden ni'n gallu dod lan â nhw. Dŷn ni wedi cwrdd â Mark Drakeford ac wedi gofyn i Lywodraeth Cymru gwneud ymchwil pellach. Dwi'n meddwl eu bod nhw'n agored i hynny. Dwi'n meddwl eu bod nhw mewn sefyllfa dda i wneud gwaith pellach ar hynny.