English: I absolutely agree, and that's absolutely the case at it currently is, but I don't think either we should give up on having good, affordable, accessible, reliable, frequent public transportation in rural areas as well. It's a measure of how far we've got to shift this paradigm to say we should be tipping the investment into that. One of the greatest fears of god that would go through Westminster parliamentarians when we used to have the now infamous petrol-price escalator - which was designed exactly to have a discouraging effect towards filling up your tank regularly and so on - was that we had mass opposition to that, not least led by Top Gear and other presenters, who would march on Parliament and say, 'This is a disgrace.' You're absolutely right, in terms of where we currently are, there's got to be an acceptance that for some people, it's unavoidable. But, actually, for some of the discussion we've had today about some of the main transport networks, particularly on the south Wales corridor, all the way from Newport, all the way from Bristol, frankly, all the way to Pont Abraham services - that has now become, in effect, a de facto local transport network as well, with people nipping in and nipping off there. Now, surely, we have to do, in a sense, what Cardiff have - I'm glad Cardiff have launched the debate around, not only congestion charging, which has caused a lot of angst and debate and so on, but I'm glad they've launched that debate, I have to say. But it's also around car sharing, because my brother-in-law, who has worked in Cardiff for 30 years, shares a car with four other people, and they pick up along the way and they travel to Lloyd's Bank, and they've done that for year upon year upon year. If they can do it, why can't others? I know of a care home in my constituency that also has catering workers with it who have done exactly the same. This is in my constituency. And they travel along the M4 and they've decided they can't put up with what's going on there, so they've come together - partly for cost, to keep the costs down, because they're all in lowest, minimum-wage jobs, but they've come together to carpool. Now it's those options that are missing from this debate sometimes. However, we do have to accept that there needs to be some investment in roads. There are some that are not fit for purpose; there are some that need upgrading and maintenance. I'm delighted that Welsh Government has given - I think it is - around £2 million to Bridgend County Borough Council. I hope that they will use that to fix places like Tonna Road. It needs major resurfacing, not just potholes done. So, that sort of money will continue to be needed. We must accept that some people will have no option but to have access to private transport, but let's not pretend we need to do anything other than turn the whole paradigm on its head and start investing in mass transport and then the car as an add-on, not the other way around, as we've done for 50 years.
Welsh: Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr, ac mae hynny'n gwbl wir ar hyn o bryd, ond ni chredaf y dylem roi'r gorau i geisio cael trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus dda, fforddiadwy, hygyrch, dibynadwy ac aml mewn ardaloedd gwledig hefyd. Mae'n fesur o ba mor bell y mae'n rhaid inni newid y patrwm hwn i ddweud y dylem fod yn buddsoddi yn hynny. Un o'r ofnau mwyaf i seneddwyr San Steffan pan oedd gennym y cymal bondigrybwyll ar brisiau petrol - a gynlluniwyd i'ch annog i beidio â llenwi eich tanc yn rheolaidd ac ati - oedd bod gennym wrthwynebiad torfol i hynny, dan arweiniad Top Gear a chyflwynwyr eraill, a fyddai'n gorymdeithio i'r Senedd gan ddweud, 'Mae hyn yn warthus.' Rydych yn llygad eich lle, o ran ein sefyllfa ar hyn o bryd, fod yn rhaid derbyn nad oes modd i rai pobl osgoi hynny. Ond o ran peth o'r drafodaeth rydym wedi'i chael heddiw am rai o'r prif rwydweithiau trafnidiaeth, yn enwedig ar goridor de Cymru, yr holl ffordd o Gasnewydd, yr holl ffordd o Fryste, a dweud y gwir, yr holl ffordd i wasanaethau Pont Abraham - mae rheini bellach wedi dod, i bob pwrpas, yn rhwydwaith trafnidiaeth leol mewn ffaith hefyd, gyda phobl yn dod i mewn ac allan yno. Nawr, does bosibl, mae'n rhaid inni wneud, ar un ystyr, yr hyn y mae Caerdydd - rwy'n falch fod Caerdydd wedi lansio'r ddadl hon, nid yn unig ynghylch codi tâl am dagfeydd, sydd wedi achosi llawer o ddicter a dadlau ac yn y blaen, ond rwy'n falch eu bod wedi lansio'r ddadl honno, mae'n rhaid imi ddweud. Ond mae hefyd yn ymwneud â rhannu ceir, gan fod fy mrawd yng nghyfraith, sydd wedi gweithio yng Nghaerdydd ers 30 mlynedd, yn rhannu car gyda phedwar o bobl eraill, ac maent yn casglu pobl ar y ffordd ac yn teithio i fanc Lloyd's, ac maent wedi gwneud hynny flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn. Os gallant hwy wneud hynny, pam na all eraill? Gwn am gartref gofal yn fy etholaeth lle mae gweithwyr arlwyo'n gwneud yr un peth yn union. Mae hyn yn fy etholaeth i. Ac maent yn teithio ar hyd yr M4 ac maent wedi penderfynu na allant ddioddef yr hyn sy'n digwydd yno, felly maent wedi dod at ei gilydd - yn rhannol o ran y gost, i gadw'r costau i lawr, gan fod pob un ohonynt mewn swyddi sy'n talu'r isafswm cyflog, ond maent wedi dod at ei gilydd i rannu car. Nawr, mae'r opsiynau hynny ar goll yn y ddadl hon weithiau. Fodd bynnag, mae'n rhaid inni dderbyn bod angen rhywfaint o fuddsoddi mewn ffyrdd. Ceir rhai ffyrdd nad ydynt yn addas at y diben; ceir rhai y mae angen eu gwella a'u cynnal. Rwyf wrth fy modd fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi rhoi - rwy'n credu - oddeutu £2 filiwn i Gyngor Bwrdeistref Sirol Pen-y-bont ar Ogwr. Rwy'n gobeithio y byddant yn ei ddefnyddio i atgyweirio lleoedd fel Ffordd Tonna. Mae angen gwneud gwaith sylweddol i roi wyneb newydd arni, nid llenwi tyllau yn unig. Felly, bydd angen y math hwnnw o arian o hyd. Mae'n rhaid inni dderbyn na fydd gan rai pobl unrhyw ddewis ond defnyddio trafnidiaeth breifat, ond gadewch inni beidio ag esgus bod angen inni wneud unrhyw beth ond troi'r patrwm ar ei ben a dechrau buddsoddi mewn trafnidiaeth dorfol ac yna'r car fel ychwanegiad, nid y ffordd arall, fel rydym wedi'i wneud ers 50 mlynedd.