English: Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. I believe the case for devolving policing is overwhelming. I am very pleased to open the debate. I thank my co-sponsors, one of whom, Rhys ab Owen, will be replying to the debate. This type of debate gives the Senedd an opportunity to show the direction of travel it wants devolution to take. Many of the levers that affect levels of crime have already been devolved to Wales, such as community safety, education, training, jobs, mental health services, alcohol and drug treatment, housing, healthy communities, as well as many other services relating to social factors. Tackling crime, reducing offending and reoffending necessitates working with other public services, which already operate at different levels across Wales. For example, support for those with mental health conditions both before they reach crisis point and need police intervention, and once they have entered the criminal system, means working with the Welsh NHS and local health boards. I believe if policing power was devolved, it would allow for much greater liaison between both services locally and by Ministers and civil servants at a strategic level within Wales, rather than between Wales and Westminster. I think there's real potential for a successful Welsh model, which can build on the strength of devolution without cutting adrift of being part of the United Kingdom. That's why I believe this should not include the UK National Crime Agency, national security and counter-terrorism. It is important that police services continue to be able to provide mutual support for large events, which we saw with the successful NATO summit in south Wales. Co-operation in policing clearly needs to extend not just to the British Isles, but into Europe and beyond. We know that crime and terrorism cross borders, more so now than ever before, and we need to co-ordinate measures to make sure that criminals cannot avoid charges by fleeing to Spain or other countries, which at one time seemed to be the case. It's why the Costa del Sol got called the 'Costa del Crime'. The Welsh Government has shown the capacity for leadership and common sense, implementing policies developed by Welsh Labour, such as the investment in additional community support officers. How many people would like to stop those community support officers now? In Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire, the powers of the police and crime commissioner have been merged in the mayoral role. I wait with interest to discover why people believe that Manchester and West Yorkshire should have policing devolved and Wales should not. Policing has been devolved in Scotland and Northern Ireland; Wales is the outlier, very much the outlier. I want to look at two exceptions, the UK National Crime Agency and national security. I believe they do need to be dealt with centrally, because national security knows no borders either, so I think it's important that we deal with things where they are dealt with best, and I believe that most policing is dealt with best in Wales. The National Crime Agency is a crime-fighting agency with national and international reach, and the mandate of power to work in partnership with other law enforcement organisations, bringing the full weight of the law to bear in cutting serious and organised crime. The border policing command is a vital part of the approach to increasing border security. The economic crime command places the National Crime Agency at the forefront of the fight against economic crime affecting the UK. We've provided a joined-up national response to cyber and cyber enabled crime. Not only does that know no borders within Britain, it knows no borders within the world, and those people who have been the recipients of e-mails telling them how somebody out in Africa wants to give them £10 million, or $10 million, will be well aware that these things come from all over the world. I'm not sure if anybody has actually had that $10 million, but my guess is that this cyber crime is working. People are being targeted now by cyber crime throughout Britain, telling them that they need to pay to have a test for COVID. And that, again, is the type of crime - . They don't think which side of the Welsh border it is; it's in the whole of Britain that is happening. So, it's important that these things are dealt with centrally.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Credaf fod yr achos dros ddatganoli plismona yn hynod o gryf. Rwy'n falch iawn o agor y ddadl. Diolch i fy nghyd-gyflwynwyr, a bydd un ohonynt, Rhys ab Owen, yn ymateb i'r ddadl. Mae dadl fel hon yn rhoi cyfle i'r Senedd ddangos i ba gyfeiriad y mae am i ddatganoli fynd. Mae llawer o'r ysgogiadau sy'n effeithio ar lefelau troseddu eisoes wedi'u datganoli i Gymru, megis diogelwch cymunedol, addysg, hyfforddiant, swyddi, gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl, triniaeth alcohol a chyffuriau, tai, cymunedau iach, yn ogystal â llawer o wasanaethau eraill sy'n ymwneud â ffactorau cymdeithasol. Er mwyn mynd i'r afael â throseddu, lleihau troseddu ac aildroseddu, mae angen gweithio gyda gwasanaethau cyhoeddus eraill, sydd eisoes yn gweithredu ar wahanol lefelau ledled Cymru. Er enghraifft, mae cymorth i bobl â chyflyrau iechyd meddwl cyn iddynt gyrraedd sefyllfa o argyfwng lle mae angen i'r heddlu ymyrryd, ac ar ôl iddynt ddod i mewn i'r system droseddol, yn golygu gweithio gyda GIG Cymru a byrddau iechyd lleol. Pe bai pŵer plismona'n cael ei ddatganoli, credaf y byddai hynny'n caniatáu ar gyfer llawer mwy o gysylltiad rhwng gwasanaethau ar lefel leol a chan Weinidogion a gweision sifil ar lefel strategol yng Nghymru, yn hytrach na rhwng Cymru a San Steffan. Credaf fod potensial gwirioneddol ar gyfer model llwyddiannus yng Nghymru, a all adeiladu ar gryfder datganoli heb dorri'n rhydd o'r Deyrnas Unedig. Dyna pam y credaf na ddylai hyn gynnwys Asiantaeth Troseddu Cenedlaethol y DU, diogelwch gwladol a gwrthderfysgaeth. Mae'n bwysig fod gwasanaethau'r heddlu'n parhau i allu darparu cymorth ar y cyd ar gyfer digwyddiadau mawr, fel yr hyn a welsom gydag uwchgynhadledd lwyddiannus NATO yn ne Cymru. Mae'n amlwg fod angen i gydweithredu ym maes plismona ymestyn nid yn unig i Ynysoedd Prydain, ond i Ewrop a thu hwnt. Gwyddom fod troseddu a therfysgaeth yn croesi ffiniau, yn fwy felly yn awr nag erioed o'r blaen, ac mae angen inni gydgysylltu mesurau i sicrhau na all troseddwyr osgoi cyhuddiadau drwy ffoi i Sbaen neu wledydd eraill, fel oedd i'w weld yn arfer digwydd ar un adeg. Dyna pam y galwyd y Costa del Sol yn 'Costa del Crime'. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi dangos y gallu i arwain a defnyddio synnwyr cyffredin, gan weithredu polisïau a ddatblygwyd gan Lafur Cymru, megis buddsoddi mewn swyddogion cymorth cymunedol ychwanegol. Faint o bobl a hoffai roi diwedd ar y swyddogion cymorth cymunedol hynny erbyn hyn? Ym Manceinion Fwyaf a Gorllewin Swydd Efrog, mae pwerau'r comisiynydd heddlu a throseddu wedi'u huno yn rôl y maer. Rwy'n aros i weld gyda diddordeb pam fod pobl yn credu y dylid datganoli plismona i Fanceinion a Gorllewin Swydd Efrog ond nid i Gymru. Mae plismona wedi'i ddatganoli yn yr Alban a Gogledd Iwerddon; Cymru yw'r eithriad, yn sicr. Hoffwn edrych ar ddau eithriad, sef Asiantaeth Troseddu Cenedlaethol y DU a diogelwch gwladol. Credaf fod angen ymdrin â hwy'n ganolog, gan nad yw diogelwch gwladol yn cydnabod unrhyw ffiniau ychwaith, felly credaf ei bod yn bwysig inni ymdrin â phethau yn y lle y gellir ymdrin â hwy yn y ffordd orau, ac yn fy marn i, y lle gorau i ymdrin â'r rhan fwyaf o blismona yw Cymru. Asiantaeth ymladd troseddau a chanddi gyrhaeddiad cenedlaethol a rhyngwladol yw'r Asiantaeth Troseddu Cenedlaethol, ac mae ganddi fandad pŵer i weithio mewn partneriaeth â sefydliadau eraill sy'n gorfodi'r gyfraith, gan ddefnyddio grym llawn y gyfraith i leihau troseddu difrifol a chyfundrefnol. Mae'r rheolaeth plismona ffiniau'n rhan hanfodol o'r gwaith o wella diogelwch y ffin. Mae'r rheolaeth troseddau economaidd yn rhoi'r Asiantaeth Troseddu Cenedlaethol ar flaen y gad yn y frwydr yn erbyn troseddu economaidd sy'n effeithio ar y DU. Rydym wedi darparu ymateb cenedlaethol cydgysylltiedig i seiberdroseddu a throseddu a gaiff ei alluogi gan seiber. Nid yn unig nad yw'n cydnabod ffiniau ym Mhrydain, nid yw'n cydnabod ffiniau ledled y byd ychwaith, ac fe fydd pobl sydd wedi cael e-byst yn dweud wrthynt fod rhywun yn Affrica eisiau rhoi £10 miliwn, neu $10 miliwn iddynt, yn ymwybodol iawn fod y pethau hyn yn dod o bob rhan o'r byd. Nid wyf yn siŵr a oes unrhyw un wedi cael y $10 miliwn hwnnw, ond rwy'n tybio bod y seiberdroseddau hyn yn gweithio. Mae pobl yn cael eu targedu gan seibrdroseddu ledled Prydain yn awr, gyda negeseuon yn dweud wrthynt fod angen iddynt dalu i gael prawf COVID. Ac unwaith eto, dyna'r math o drosedd - . Nid ydynt yn meddwl ar ba ochr i ffin Cymru y mae'n digwydd; mae'n digwydd ledled Prydain. Felly, mae'n bwysig mynd i'r afael â'r pethau hyn yn ganolog.