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English: I assume that the action plans in the language strategy will include a number of elements. One element will be legislation. Another will be a co-ordinated promotion and marketing campaign. One of the challenges, I think, is that the responsibility for the promotion of the Welsh language historically has been held in various different places. It's good to note that discussions are starting now in terms of drawing this together, to ensure that there is a national campaign related to the national language strategy. Education, clearly, and increasing the numbers educated through the medium of Welsh will be part of that. So, I would agree with you: the legacy from the past, perhaps, the number of different strands - legislation, external campaigns, pressure groups and so on - have all played their part in bringing us to this point today. What is notable now is that the current Government has adopted a language strategy, which will be revolutionary if delivered. What is required next, I would have thought, to respond to your very reasonable question, is an integrated plan to ensure action and monitoring of the targets of the investment made in that strategy.
Welsh: Rwy'n tybio y bydd cynlluniau gweithredu'r strategaeth iaith yn cynnwys nifer o elfennau. Un elfen ydy deddfwriaeth. Elfen arall ydy ymgyrch hybu a hyrwyddo gydlynus. Un o'r heriau, rydw i'n credu, ydy bod y cyfrifoldeb dros hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg yn hanesyddol efallai wedi bod yn gorwedd mewn nifer o wahanol leoedd. Mae'n dda adrodd bod trafodaethau'n cychwyn nawr ar dynnu hyn i gyd at ei gilydd, i sicrhau bod yna ymgyrch genedlaethol sydd yn gysylltiedig â'r strategaeth iaith genedlaethol. Mae addysg, yn amlwg, a chynyddu'r niferoedd sy'n cael eu haddysgu trwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg yn mynd i fod yn rhan o hynny. Felly, fe fyddwn i'n cytuno â chi: mae'r etifeddiaeth, os mynnwch chi, o'r gorffennol, y nifer o wahanol linynnau gwahanol - deddfwriaeth, ymgyrchoedd o'r tu allan, mudiadau pwyso ac yn y blaen - i gyd wedi gwneud eu rhan i ddod â ni i le'r ydym ni heddiw. Yr hyn sydd yn nodedig nawr yw bod y Llywodraeth bresennol wedi mabwysiadau strategaeth iaith bur chwyldroadol, os ydyw hi'n cael ei gwireddu. Yr hyn sydd ei angen nesaf, byddwn i'n tybio, i ateb eich cwestiwn hollol resymol chi, ydy cynllun integredig i sicrhau gweithrediad a hefyd monitro targedau'r buddsoddiad sy'n cael ei roi i mewn i'r strategaeth honno.
English: I'm not convinced that - that is, as I say, I think there is scope to look at the legislation, but there are also other elements that need to be taken into account, and that includes promotion.
Welsh: Nid wyf i'n argyhoeddedig mai - hynny yw, fel rydw i'n dweud, rydw i'n credu bod yna le i edrych ar y ddeddfwriaeth, ond mae yna hefyd elfennau eraill sydd angen eu hystyried, ac mae hynny'n cynnwys hybu a hyrwyddo.
English: I was just going to help the situation and maybe overcome some of Mick's confusion in this area. As Welsh speakers, traditionally - I'm old enough now to remember when we had no statutory rights, and no language Act at all, because, unfortunately perhaps, I was born before 1967. We had a language Act at that time that abolished the 1536 Act of Union, when Welsh speakers had no rights, and whatever rights we did have depended on the goodwill of the majority. Since we've had a language Act, at least on a statutory basis we've had a right to use the language - not fully, and not every right that I would demand, but at least my ability to speak Welsh isn't dependent on the goodwill of the majority now. That's why we have to have legislation. In terms of whether there's a need for new legislation - I'll cover my questions, Chair, to keep you happy - in the absence of a backbone by the Welsh Government here, perhaps there is a need for new legislation to strengthen things. But if we had a Welsh Government here that felt strongly about the Welsh language and about rights and about driving the agenda forward, perhaps it would be easy to say that there is no need for new legislation. But in the absence of a backbone by the Welsh Government, perhaps there is a need. I just wanted to set that out there.
Welsh: Roeddwn i jest yn mynd i helpu'r sefyllfa ac efallai dod dros ychydig bach o ddrysni Mick yn y peth yma. Fel siaradwyr Cymraeg, yn draddodiadol - rydw i'n ddigon hen rŵan i gofio pan nad oedd dim hawliau statudol gyda ni, ac nid oedd dim Deddf iaith o gwbl, achos, yn anhapus efallai, rwyf wedi cael fy ngeni cyn 1967. Fe gawsom ni Ddeddf iaith bryd hynny a oedd yn diddymu Deddf Uno 1536, pan oedd cythraul o ddim hawliau gan siaradwyr Cymraeg, ac roedd pa bynnag hawliau oedd gyda ni yn dibynnu ar ewyllys da y mwyafrif. Ers inni gael Deddf iaith, o leiaf yn statudol mae gyda ni hawl i ddefnyddio'n hiaith - nid yn ei llawn le, a ddim pob hawl y buaswn i'n mynnu, ond o leiaf nid yw fy ngallu i siarad Cymraeg yn dibynnu ar ewyllys da y mwyafrif ddim rhagor. Dyna pam mae'n rhaid inni gael deddfu. Yn nhermau a oes angen deddfwriaeth newydd - fe wnaf gyfro fy nghwestiynau i, Cadeirydd, i'ch cadw chi'n hapus - yn niffyg asgwrn cefn y Llywodraeth yn fan hyn, efallai bod angen deddfwriaeth newydd i gryfhau pethau. Ond petai gyda ni Lywodraeth Cymru yn fan hyn sy'n teimlo i'r byw am yr iaith Gymraeg ac am hawliau ac am yrru'r agenda ymlaen, efallai yn ddigon hawdd ni fuasai ishe deddfwriaeth newydd. Ond yn absenoldeb asgwrn cefn y Llywodraeth yn fan hyn, efallai bod eisiau. Jest gosod y tir.
English: I think that that is the greatest challenge because, if there is a need for legislation, it's likely that it is in terms of giving more power to the county education schemes - that's where the priority would be. What I understand is that there's not likely to be space to do so any time soon, and there is no time to lose, really, in terms of putting schemes in place. Because, from what I understand, the previous schemes, even if you did bring them together, are not going to reach the sorts of targets that are in the current strategy at the moment. So, my understanding is that the suggestion now is to ensure, 'Right, this is the national target, and, in every local authority, it has been allocated.' Now, if there's a way of doing that without legislation, that's the best thing. Perhaps there is a need, but, as you say, the time challenge raises its head.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu mai honno yw'r her fwyaf oherwydd, onid ydy, oherwydd, os oes angen deddfwriaeth, mae'n debyg mai mewn perthynas â rhoi mwy o rym i'r cynlluniau addysg sirol - fanna fyddai'r flaenoriaeth. O'r hyn rydw i'n ei ddeall, nid oes dim gofod yn debygol o fod i allu gwneud hynny yn gymharol fuan, ac mae yna - nid oes amser i'w golli, mewn gwirionedd, o ran gosod yn eu lle gynlluniau. Achos, o beth rydw i'n ei ddeall, nad yw'r cynlluniau blaenorol, hyd yn oed pe byddech chi yn eu gosod nhw at ei gilydd, yn mynd i gyrraedd y math o dargedau sydd yn y strategaeth bresennol ar hyn o bryd. Felly, fy nealltwriaeth i yw mai'r awgrym nawr yw sicrhau, 'Reit, dyma'r targed cenedlaethol, ac, ym mhob awdurdod lleol, mae wedi cael ei ddosrannu.' Nawr, os oes modd gwneud hynny heb ddeddfwriaeth, gorau oll. Mae'n debyg efallai bod angen, ond, fel rydych chi'n ei ddweud, mae'r her amser yma sydd yn codi.
English: I think Ioan is entirely right in saying that the laudable work that's been done by Aled Roberts and his panel in scrutinising the WESPs and all of the recommendations that have been made - the question is: do we need legislative changes in order to deliver those recommendations or not? Now, one is highly aware that one isn't a legal expert, but it would be interesting to see whether it is possible to implement those recommendations and to see those changes that are so necessary in order to reach the ambitious targets in the Cymraeg 2050 strategy without legislation. If it can be done, and if they can be delivered, then clearly there would be benefits to that in terms of time. The risk is that we would lose some of the momentum that was so clear to us all when the Cymraeg 2050 strategy was announced.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl bod Ioan yn hollol gywir i ddweud mai'r gwaith clodwiw sydd wedi cael ei wneud gan Aled Roberts a'i banel yn craffu ar gynlluniau strategol y Gymraeg mewn addysg, a'r holl argymhellion sydd wedi dod i law - y cwestiwn ydy: a oes angen newidiadau deddfwriaethol er mwyn gallu gwireddu'r argymhellion yna ai peidio? Rŵan, mae rhywun yn ymwybodol iawn nad ydyn nhw'n arbenigwr cyfreithiol, felly bydd hi'n ddiddorol gweld a oes modd gweithredu ar yr argymhellion yna ac felly gweld y newidiadau sydd yn angenrheidiol er mwyn cyrraedd y targedau uchelgeisiol yn strategaeth Cymraeg 2050 heb ddeddfwriaeth. Os oes modd ei wneud o, ac, os oes modd eu cyflawni nhw, yna, yn amlwg, mae yna fanteision i hynny o safbwynt amser. Y peryg ydy ein bod yn colli ychydig o'r momentwm a oedd mor amlwg inni gyd pan gyhoeddwyd strategaeth Cymraeg 2050.
English: One of the challenges as well that arises in relation to that is that, even if you have the WESPs - strong and robust ones - in every authority, are there sufficient numbers of teachers to provide the education? Therefore, the reorganisation that's happening at the moment in initial teacher training provides a golden opportunity to ensure that there is stronger planning happening in terms of attracting more people to the profession and ensuring that there is a sufficient supply, and that those people who aren't as confident with the Welsh language, or who want to learn the language while training, have every support. The Coleg Cymraeg is working with other partners in the Government to try and move that agenda forward at the moment.
Welsh: Mae yna un her arall hefyd - os caf i jest yn gyflym - yn codi mewn perthynas â hynny, sef hyd yn oed os oes gyda chi gynlluniau addysg sirol cryf ym mhob awdurdod, a oes yna ddigon o athrawon i allu darparu'r addysg? Felly, mae'r ad-drefnu sydd yn digwydd ar hyn o bryd ym maes hyfforddiant cychwynnol athrawon yn cynnig cyfle euraidd i sicrhau bod yna gynllunio cryfach yn digwydd o ran denu mwy o bobl i'r proffesiwn a sicrhau bod yna gyflenwad digonol, a bod rhai o'r bobl yna sy'n llai hyderus o ran eu Cymraeg, neu sydd â'r cyfle i ddysgu'r iaith wrth hyfforddi, yn cael pob cefnogaeth. Mae'r Coleg Cymraeg yn gweithio gyda phartneriaid eraill yn y Llywodraeth i geisio symud yr agenda yna yn ei blaen ar hyn o bryd.
English: David, do you have an additional question, or have you finished? Great, thank you. Caroline on promoting the language.
Welsh: David, a oes cwestiwn ychwanegol gyda chi, neu a ydych chi wedi gorffen? Grêt, diolch. Caroline Jones ar hybu'r iaith.
English: I think, in terms of promoting and marketing, there's important work to be done on different aspects and points of the educational journey, isn't there - in moving from primary to secondary and as learners make their choices for GCSEs. And the Coleg Cymraeg, at the moment, is broadening our activity in the post-16 area, learning in the workplace and further education. There is significant work to be done there, and it is being undertaken, to start strategies to increase the opportunities in those areas. But to promote all of that there is a need for a national plan that everybody - all the partners - can contribute to in a way that doesn't duplicate and is coordinated, and which ensures that the work is being done in different ways across the different sectors, and the Government is the body that should be driving that collaboration.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu, o ran hybu a hyrwyddo, mae yna waith pwysig i'w wneud ar wahanol bwyntiau yn y daith addysgol, onid oes - wrth symud o'r cynradd i'r uwchradd ac wrth i ddysgwyr wneud eu dewisiadau ar gyfer TGAU. Ac mae'r Coleg Cymraeg, ar hyn o bryd, yn ehangu ein gweithgaredd nawr ym maes ôl-16, dysgu yn y gweithle ac addysg bellach. Mae yna waith sylweddol i'w wneud yn fanna ac ar y gweill i ddechrau strategaethau i gynyddu'r cyfleoedd yn y meysydd yna. Ond i hyrwyddo hynny i gyd mae angen cynllun cenedlaethol mae pawb - y partneriaid i gyd - yn cyfrannu tuag ati mewn ffordd sydd ddim yn dyblygu a sydd yn gydlynus, a sydd yn sicrhau bod y gwaith yn cael ei wneud mewn gwahanol ffyrdd ar draws y gwahanol sectorau, a'r Llywodraeth ydy'r corff sydd angen ysgogi, beth bynnag, y cydweithio yna.
English: I'm not sure that we necessarily need new legislation to make that change. I think we could be making changes within the current legislation, and I agree with my colleagues that there is a role for Welsh Government. But I know that we, as UCAC, had some concerns about the proposals in the White Paper that there was too much centralisation of promotion activity within Welsh Government. So, there are responsibilities which are applicable to Government, and it's perhaps only the Government that has the information and the strategic capacity to deliver, but there are other partners who are also extremely important and there may be other organisations too. The civil service is not necessarily best placed for that promotion and marketing work.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn siŵr, o reidrwydd, bod angen deddfwriaeth newydd i newid hynny. Rydw i'n credu y gallem ni fod yn gwneud newidiadau o fewn y ddeddfwriaeth bresennol, ac rydw i'n cytuno â'r lleill bod yna rôl gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Ond rydw i'n gwybod roedd gyda ni - UCAC - bryder, yng nghynigion y Papur Gwyn, fod yna ormod o ganoli cyfrifoldebau hyrwyddo a hybu gyda Llywodraeth Cymru felly. Mae yna gyfrifoldebau sydd yn gymwys i'r Llywodraeth, a dim ond y Llywodraeth efallai sydd yn meddu ar y wybodaeth a'r gallu strategol, ond mae yna bartneriaid eraill sydd yn eithriadol o bwysig, rydw i'n credu, a gallai fod yna gyrff eraill hefyd. Nid y gwasanaeth sifil, o reidrwydd, yw'r corff gorau ar gyfer y gwaith o hybu a hyrwyddo.
English: Anyone?
Welsh: Unrhyw un?
English: It's important, to a certain extent, that there is clarity as to where responsibilities lie and where the boundaries are, and that there should be an element of independence from government. That's an important principle. I would kindly suggest that we shouldn't spend too much time thinking about the minutiae here. We have a language Act in place, and a great deal of time was spent in passing that legislation, as I think the former Minister noted recently, and, as has already been said, there is scope to consider what changes need to be done in order to make the system more effective and efficient, but that shouldn't be at the expense - because of the time constraints and the targets of the strategy, as we have said already - of practical implementation of the other steps that need to be taken. That would be my suggestion. I don't know what my colleagues think.
Welsh: Mae'n bwysig, i ryw raddau, bod yna eglurder ble mae cyfrifoldeb yn gorwedd a ble mae'r ffiniau hefyd, a bod yna elfen o annibyniaeth oddi wrth lywodraeth. Mae hynny'n egwyddor bwysig. Byddwn i yn awgrymu yn garedig na ddylid treulio gormod o amser yn poeni am fanylder hyn. Mae gennym ni Ddeddf iaith yn ei lle, y bu cryn amser yn cael ei dreulio yn ei phasio, fel rydw i'n meddwl bod y cyn-Weinidog wedi nodi yn ddiweddar, ac, fel sydd wedi cael ei ddweud, mae yna le i ystyried pa newidiadau sydd angen eu gwneud i wneud y system yn fwy effeithiol ac effeithlon, ond ni ddylai hynny fod ar draul - oherwydd y pwysau ar amser a thargedau'r strategaeth, fel rydym ni'n ei ddweud yn barod - gweithredu ymarferol hefyd ar y camu eraill sydd angen eu cymryd. Dyna byddwn i'n ei awgrymu. Nid wyf yn gwybod beth mae fy nghydweithwyr yn ei feddwl.
English: To summarise what I was trying to communicate at the outset - I think there is a weakness in the Welsh language Measure from the point of view of what would be a main priority for us as an organisation, namely the provision of Welsh-medium care and education, and the relationship between that legislation and the WESPs. I am no legal expert, so I don't know to what extent the laudable recommendations proposed by Aled Roberts and others are ones that can be implemented without legislative change.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl, i grynhoi'r hyn yr oeddwn i'n ceisio ei gyfathrebu ar y cychwyn - rydw i'n meddwl bod gwendid yn perthyn i Fesur y Gymraeg o safbwynt yr hyn sydd yn brif flaenoriaeth i ni fel mudiad, sef darparu gofal ac addysg cyfrwng Cymraeg, a'r cydberthynas rhwng y ddeddfwriaeth yna a chynllunio strategol y Gymraeg mewn addysg. Nid wyf yn arbenigwr cyfreithiol, felly nid wyf yn gwybod i ba raddau y mae'r argymhellion clodwiw sydd wedi cael eu cynnig gan Aled Roberts ac eraill yn rhai y mae modd eu gweithredu a rhoi ateb newydd iddyn nhw neb newid deddfwriaethol.
English: I think, perhaps, to supplement that, if there is a need for legislation, it's possible that that would take some time, and there is a need to take action immediately, to the greatest extent possible, within the current legislation in order to provide as much force -
Welsh: Rydw i'n credu, efallai, i ategu hynny, os oes angen deddfwriaeth, mae'n bosibl y bydd honno yn cymryd rhywfaint o amser, ac mae angen gweithredu yn syth, i'r graddau mwyaf posibl, oddi mewn i'r ddeddfwriaeth bresennol, er mwyn rhoi mwy o rym, cymaint o rym -
English: Oh no, I don't think we do. No, we agree. I've said the same thing as Gwenllian.
Welsh: O na, nid wyf yn meddwl ein bod ni. Na, rydym ni'n cytuno. Rydw i wedi dweud yr un peth â Gwenllian.
English: Yes. Yes, we do need to look at that - . That is, if legislation is required - . If legislation is required - . What we need to do is to ensure that the WESPs and the recommendations made by Aled Roberts's working group can be implemented. Now, if they can be implemented within the current system, then all the better. If not, then we need legislation. What I understand from what I've heard from Assembly Members and so on is that, if legislation is required in that area, which would be separate from other issues, then it won't be able to happen for quite some time. So, I don't think there's any difference of opinion. What we're saying is that we need action. And we're not the experts that could say whether that is legislation or not. What we want is to see is action. If legislation is required, then legislation is required as soon as possible.
Welsh: Oes. Oes, mae angen edrych ar - . Hynny yw, os oes angen deddfwriaeth - . Os oes angen deddfwriaeth - . Yr hyn sydd angen ei wneud yw sicrhau bod y cynlluniau addysg sirol a'r argymhellion y mae gweithgor Aled Roberts wedi'u eu gwneud yn gallu cael eu gweithredu. Os ydyn nhw'n gallu cael eu gweithredu oddi fewn i'r drefn bresennol, gorau oll. Os nad ydyn nhw, mae angen deddfwriaeth. Yr hyn rydw i'n ei ddeall o beth rydw i wedi'i glywed gan Aelodau Cynulliad ac yn y blaen yw, os oes angen deddfwriaeth ar hynny, ar wahân i faterion eraill, nid yw e'n mynd i allu digwydd am beth amser. Felly, nid oes yna wahaniaeth rhyngom ni. Rydym ni'n dweud bod angen gweithredu. Nid ni ydy'r arbenigwyr. Yr hyn rydym ni eisiau ei weld ydy gweithredu. Os oes angen deddfwriaeth, mae angen deddfwriaeth cyn gynted â phosibl.
English: I think also there's not necessarily a need for us to be re-legislating in the same areas as where we have legislation already. So, I think there is still some potential within the current Measure in terms of regulation, promoting and marketing, standards. Perhaps there is still enough potential there that there's no need to re-legislate in exactly the same area. I'm going to risk it here, but I think what joins the three organisations here - and disagree with me if I have said this incorrectly - is that there's a strong possibility that legislation would be advantageous in terms of the WESPs, but perhaps broader aspects -
Welsh: Rwy'n credu hefyd nid oes o reidrwydd angen inni fod yn ail-ddeddfu yn yr un meysydd â lle mae deddfwriaeth gyda ni'n barod. Felly, rydw i'n credu bod yn dal i fod tipyn o botensial o fewn y Mesur presennol o ran rheoleiddio, hybu a hyrwyddo, safonau. Efallai bod yn dal i fod digon o botensial fanna fel nad oes angen ail-ddeddfu yn yr un un maes. Ond rydw i'n credu - . Rwy'n mynd i fentro, ond rydw i'n credu beth sy'n uno'r tri ohonom ni, ein tri mudiad ni - ac anghytunwch os ydw i wedi camlywio - yw bod yna bosibilrwydd cryf y byddai deddfwriaeth yn fanteisiol o safbwynt y cynlluniau strategol Cymraeg mewn addysg, ond efallai agweddau ehangach -
English: Yes, but perhaps broader aspects of the education system as well that would be able to make better use of our energy and efforts and legislative time, in terms of moving forward to create more bilingual speakers in Wales.
Welsh: Ie, ond efallai agweddau ehangach hefyd o'r system addysg a fyddai'n gallu gwneud gwell defnydd o'n hegni a'n hymdrechion a'r amser deddfwriaethol, o ran symud ymlaen i greu mwy o siaradwyr dwyieithog yng Nghymru.
English: I had an opportunity recently to join a trip arranged by the Welsh Government to the Basque Country. The main focus of this was to look at vocational education, and that in itself was extremely interesting. And the Basque Government is driving ideology and methodology that are quite dynamic in terms of vocational education, where there is a very clear link between the learner and employers, with employers supporting the learners as they go through the training. That was interesting in itself, but also there is a linguistic dimension, as Gwenllian mentioned, and the other thing that the Basque Government is doing is to place linguistic requirements in the public sector. That driver from the Government in the area of language is also seen in other areas in terms of the economy. That is interesting, and I understand that Government officials have been looking at both those issues. So, there are examples of good practice, but also, as has been said, there are things that we're doing in Wales that I would suggest compare very favourably with what is happening in other countries, including, I would like to think, what's been happening in terms of Welsh-medium education in our universities.
Welsh: Ces i gyfle yn ddiweddar i ymuno ar daith wedi'i threfnu gan Lywodraeth Cymru i Wlad y Basg. Prif ffocws y daith oedd edrych ar addysg alwedigaethol, ac roedd hynny ynddo'i hunan yn hynod o ddiddorol. Ac mae Llywodraeth Gwlad y Basg yn gyrru syniadaeth a methodoleg pur ddeinamig o ran addysg alwedigaethol, lle mae yna gyswllt amlwg iawn rhwng y dysgwr a chyflogwyr, gyda chyflogwyr yn cefnogi'r dysgwyr wrth iddyn nhw fynd drwy'r hyfforddiant. Roedd hynny'n ddiddorol ynddo'i hun, ond wrth gwrs mae yna hefyd ddimensiwn ieithyddol, fel dywedodd Gwenllian, a beth arall mae Llywodraeth Gwlad y Basg yn ei wneud ydy gosod gofynion ieithyddol yn y sector cyhoeddus. Ac felly, mae'r gyriant yna oddi wrth y Llywodraeth yn y maes ieithyddol, ond mae hefyd i'w weld mewn meysydd eraill o ran yr economi. Mae hynny yn ddiddorol, ac rwy'n deall bod swyddogion y Llywodraeth wedi bod yn edrych ar y ddeubeth yna. Felly, mae yna enghreifftiau o arfer da, ond hefyd, fel y dywedwyd, mae yna bethau rydym ni'n eu gwneud yng Nghymru a fyddem ni'n awgrymu sydd yn cymharu'n ffafriol iawn gyda'r hyn sy'n digwydd mewn gwledydd eraill, gan gynnwys, byddwn i'n hoffi meddwl, yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd o ran addysg cyfrwng Cymraeg yn ein prifysgolion.