English: The Minister says that there are pockets of excellence within Betsi Cadwaladr. Well, yes, there are. I wrote to the chief executive and chair recently following the publication of cancer figures showing that there was good work happening in north Wales. We do understand that. The Minister, I know, is eager for us to bear in mind the need to support staff through all of this. I couldn't agree with her more. Without staff, there is no NHS. In those departments facing the greatest challenges, there are staff that we need to retain, and we do remember them today and thank them for their work. But staff are many of those people raising concerns with us about health services in north Wales. Staff raised concerns about the loss of vascular services from Bangor. Today, despite the damning report, the Minister still insists that that decision to centralise services had been the right one. Well, if it was, why not centralise at Ysbyty Gwynedd where there was a centre of excellence already? In terms of mental health services, it is staff who have been describing to me, and to other Members, time and time again, why mental health services weren't ready to come out of special measures when the Government decided to do that prematurely just before the last election. So, we do listen to staff, we do respect the staff, and we are mindful of the support that staff need. But does the Minister accept that many of those staff members will see that there has been far too much delay in taking these steps today, and that the steps taken are inadequate? And in the absence of any suggestion in this statement of how we will be able to gauge success or otherwise, does she accept that we still don't have a vision as to how a successful, sustainable Betsi Cadwaladr would work for the future? And that's why we on these benches, in tomorrow's debate, will be arguing that we need to take an honest look at the possibility of reorganising healthcare in north Wales. These plans are weak, I fear. I hope, for the sake of staff and patients, that they will make a difference, and that these plans can make a difference. But it's a very serious situation that needs a plan B ready to go.
Welsh: Mae'r Gweinidog yn dweud bod yna bocedi o ragoriaeth o fewn Betsi Cadwaladr. Oes, mae yna. Mi ysgrifennais i at y prif weithredwr a'r cadeirydd yn ddiweddar yn dilyn cyhoeddi ffigurau ar ganser yn dangos bod yna waith da yn digwydd yn y gogledd. Rydyn ni yn deall hynny. Mae'r Gweinidog, dwi'n gwybod, yn eiddgar inni gadw mewn golwg yr angen i gefnogi staff drwy hyn oll. Allaf i ddim cytuno mwy. Heb staff, does yna ddim NHS. Yn yr adrannau yna sy'n wynebu yr heriau mawr, mae yna staff dŷn ni angen eu cadw, a dŷn ni yn cofio amdanyn nhw heddiw, ac yn diolch am eu gwaith nhw. Ond staff ydy llawer o'r rheini sy'n codi pryderon efo ni am wasanaethau iechyd yn y gogledd. Staff oedd yn codi pryderon am golli gwasanaethau fasgiwlar o Fangor. Heddiw, er gwaethaf yr adroddiad damniol hwnnw, mae'r Gweinidog yn dal i fynnu bod y penderfyniad i ganoli gwasanaethau wedi bod yr un cywir. Wel, os oedd o, pam ddim canoli yn Ysbyty Gwynedd lle'r oedd yna ganolfan o ragoriaeth? Ar wasanaethau iechyd meddwl, staff sydd wedi bod yn disgrifio wrthyf i ac Aelodau eraill, dro ar ôl tro, pam fod gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl ddim yn barod i ddod allan o fesurau arbennig go iawn pan benderfynodd y Llywodraeth wneud hynny yn gynamserol cyn yr etholiad diwethaf. Felly, dŷn ni yn gwrando ar staff, dŷn ni yn parchu staff, dŷn ni yn ystyried y gefnogaeth sydd ei angen i staff. Ond ydy'r Gweinidog yn derbyn y bydd llawer o'r staff hynny yn gweld bod yna lawer gormod o oedi wedi bod cyn cymryd y camau yma heddiw, a bod y camau yn annigonol? Ac yn absenoldeb, mewn difri, unrhyw awgrym yn y datganiad yma o sut fydd mesur a ydy pethau'n gwella ai peidio, ydy hi'n derbyn ein bod ni'n dal heb weledigaeth o sut fyddai Betsi Cadwaladr llwyddiannus, gynaliadwy yn gweithio? A dyna pam y byddwn ni ar y meinciau yma, yn y ddadl yfory, yn dadlau bod eisiau edrych yn onest ar y posibilrwydd o aildrefnu gofal iechyd yn y gogledd. Mae'r cynlluniau yma yn wan, dwi'n ofni. Dwi'n gobeithio, er mwyn staff a chleifion, y gwnan nhw wahaniaeth, y gall y cynlluniau yma wneud gwahaniaeth. Ond mae hi'n sefyllfa ddifrifol sydd angen plan B yn barod i fynd.