English: I don't accept, Llywydd, Adam Price's opening premise. When the proposal was re-placed on the table back in 2014, the context was very different, and I tried to set that out in my opening statement. Back in 2014, we had never heard of Brexit. Back in 2014, the Welsh Government had a budget that lasted not just for the rest of that Assembly term, but into the next Assembly term, and we had a Chancellor of the Exchequer who assured us that austerity would be over in 2015. In that financial context, the decision to explore the M4 relief road was the right decision. It is the context that has changed and means that I have arrived at a different decision today. And the Welsh Government has not sat idly by, not investing in all those other things that we know are needed in our transport infrastructure: the metro proposal for south Wales has been developed right through the period that we are talking about, since 2014; the ideas on buses that we talked about earlier this afternoon developed during that period as well. So, we have not stood by doing nothing on that wider agenda of public transport infrastructure while the inquiry proceeded, and we're in a much better position today than we would have been without all that work going on. I listened carefully to what the Member said about better ways of decision making, and I think he makes an important point there. The conundrum, which I know he will recognise, is that, in a really difficult decision with so many strong views and so many opposing views, making sure that the process is genuinely open enough for people to feel that they've had their chance and their opportunity to have their point of view heard has an impact on the speed at which decisions can be made. Now, I think he's right that we ought to think together about whether there are better ways of doing these things in future, but the way not to do it, I think, is to cut out the public from the way in which their voices are heard in it - and I know you didn't suggest that at all, but I'm simply pointing to the fact that, if you want to involve the public, that takes time and time is one of the things that slows down decisions and gets in the way of making these things in as timely a way as we would like. Finally, to the point that Adam Price made about the national infrastructure commission - of course, we thought carefully about whether that was the right group to go to to get the advice that we needed, but, actually, it's a different job. The infrastructure commission is there to think long term, to think over a 30-year horizon, to advise us on the long-term needs of the Welsh economy and on public services. What this group will do, this expert group, is to focus immediately on those 28 different ideas that the inspector reports on that were alternatives to the M4 relief road, and to a further set of ideas that have emerged since the inspector concluded his hearings, which are practical ways in which the problems at the M4 can be addressed in the here and now. It is a much narrower, it is a much shorter, it is a much more specific piece of advice that we need. It's why the infrastructure commission wouldn't have been the best way of securing that advice, because, quite unlike the suggestion made by the leader of the opposition, I don't want this to take a moment longer than it needs to to start making a difference for the people of Newport in the problems that they face around the M4 today.
Welsh: Nid wyf i'n derbyn, Llywydd, yr hyn a ddywedodd Adam Price yn ei ragymadrodd. Pan ystyriwyd y cynnig unwaith eto yn ôl yn 2014, roedd y cyd-destun yn wahanol iawn, a cheisiais nodi hynny yn fy natganiad agoriadol. Yn 2014, nid oeddem erioed wedi clywed am Brexit. Yn 2014, roedd gan Lywodraeth Cymru gyllideb a oedd yn para nid yn unig am weddill tymor y Cynulliad hwnnw, ond hyd at dymor y Cynulliad wedyn, ac roedd gennym Ganghellor y Trysorlys a roddodd sicrwydd inni y byddai'r cyni'n dod i ben yn 2015. Yn y cyd-destun ariannol hwnnw, y penderfyniad cywir oedd ymchwilio i ffordd liniaru'r M4. Y cyd-destun sydd wedi newid ac sy'n golygu fy mod i wedi dod i benderfyniad gwahanol heddiw. Nid yw Llywodraeth Cymru wedi llaesu dwylo, heb fuddsoddi yn yr holl bethau eraill hynny yr ydym ni'n gwybod am yr angen amdanyn nhw yn ein seilwaith trafnidiaeth: mae cynnig y metro ar gyfer y de wedi cael ei ddatblygu yn ystod y cyfnod yr ydym ni'n sôn amdano, ers 2014; datblygwyd y syniadau o ran bysiau y gwnaethom ni sôn amdanyn nhw'n gynharach y prynhawn yma yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw hefyd. Felly, nid ydym wedi llaesu dwylo a gwneud dim o ran yr agenda ehangach honno ar gyfer seilwaith trafnidiaeth gyhoeddus tra'r oedd yr ymchwiliad yn mynd rhagddo. Ac rydym mewn sefyllfa well o lawer heddiw nag y buasem ni heb yr holl waith hwnnw sy'n digwydd. Gwrandewais yn astud ar yr hyn a ddywedodd yr Aelod am ffyrdd gwell o wneud penderfyniadau, a chredaf ei fod ef yn gwneud pwynt pwysig yn hynny o beth. Y benbleth, y gwn y bydd ef yn ei chydnabod, gyda phenderfyniad anodd iawn, yw bod cymaint o safbwyntiau cryf a chymaint o safbwyntiau gwrthgyferbyniol, a bod rhaid sicrhau bod y broses yn wirioneddol agored fel bod pobl yn teimlo eu bod wedi cael eu cyfle a'u tro i leisio eu barn. Mae hynny wrth gwrs wedi effeithio ar ba mor gyflym y gellir gwneud penderfyniadau. Nawr, rwy'n credu ei fod ef yn iawn y dylem ni feddwl gyda'n gilydd a oes ffyrdd amgen o wneud y pethau hyn yn y dyfodol. Ond y ffordd i beidio â gwneud hynny, yn fy marn i, yw peidio rhoi cyfle i'r cyhoedd gael mynegi eu barn nhw - ac rwy'n gwybod nad oeddech chi'n awgrymu hynny o gwbl. Dim ond tynnu sylw ydw i at y ffaith honno, sef os ydych chi'n dymuno cynnwys y cyhoedd, fod hynny'n cymryd amser, ac mae bod yn bwyllog yn un o'r pethau sy'n arafu penderfyniadau ac yn rhwystro gwneud y pethau hyn mewn ffordd sydd mor amserol ag yr hoffem ni. Yn olaf, ynglŷn â'r pwynt a wnaeth Adam Price am y comisiwn seilwaith cenedlaethol - wrth gwrs, fe wnaethom ni ystyried yn ofalus ai hwnnw oedd y grŵp priodol i droi ato i gael y cyngor yr oedd ei angen arnom, ond, mewn gwirionedd, swydd wahanol yw honno. Mae'r comisiwn seilwaith yno i feddwl yn y tymor hir, i feddwl dros orwel o 30 mlynedd, i'n cynghori ar anghenion hirdymor economi Cymru ac ar wasanaethau cyhoeddus. Yr hyn y bydd y grŵp arbenigol hwn yn ei wneud yw canolbwyntio ar unwaith ar y 28 o syniadau amrywiol eraill y mae'r arolygydd yn adrodd amdanynt a oedd un ddulliau amgen i ffordd liniaru'r M4, ac ar gyfres bellach o syniadau a ddaeth i'r amlwg ers i'r arolygydd gwblhau ei wrandawiadau, sy'n ffyrdd ymarferol y gellir mynd i'r afael â'r problemau gyda'r M4 yn y presennol. Mae hwn yn llawer mwy cyfyngedig, mae'n fyrrach o lawer, ac yn gyngor llawer mwy penodol sydd ei angen arnom ni. Nid trwy'r comisiwn seilwaith y byddai'r ffordd orau o gael y cyngor hwnnw oherwydd, yn wahanol i'r awgrym a wnaeth arweinydd yr wrthblaid, nid wyf eisiau gweld hyn yn cymryd eiliad yn hirach na'r hyn sydd raid i ddechrau gwneud gwahaniaeth i bobl Casnewydd o ran y problemau y maen nhw'n eu hwynebu o amgylch yr M4 heddiw.