English: Yes, it's interesting to hear Sarah talk about the lack of interest in statues once they've been unveiled, because, certainly, in trying to raise awareness about statues of women over a period of a decade, I found that it's very difficult to engender people's interests. What's concerned me about this most recent discussion is that we are using statues as a proxy to discuss political issues of the day - the shift that there's been now in public expectation in terms of participation and representation, and this is one way where this has arisen. So, one thing I wanted to say is that we are perhaps asking local authorities to take some moral stance here, but these stances have been made already. Go to any local authority website and there will be a statement against slavery. They will have dignity and respect policies. They will have equality policies, anti-bullying policies. The moral 'virtues' are already in place across local authorities, and statues, perhaps, shouldn't be an exception in that, but there is also a very strong precedent to undo historic decisions. If you take as a comparison mature trees - historical trees in Cardiff - we know that they're good for us. They have never been involved in slavery at all. We oppose their felling, and people make a lot of noise about that, but councils continue to do it. So, if you look at something like that that's certainly a community asset, there is a precedent to undo these historical decisions across Wales as a whole. So, I would be guarded in treating statues as an exception just because they are so symbolic.
Welsh: Ie, mae'n ddiddorol clywed Sarah yn dweud am y diffyg diddordeb sydd mewn cerfluniau unwaith iddyn nhw gael eu dadorchuddio, achos, yn sicr, yn trio codi ymwybyddiaeth am gerfluniau o fenywod am dros bron i ddegawd, dwi wedi ffeindio bod e'n anodd iawn i annog diddordeb pobl. Beth sydd wedi fy mhoeni i am, efallai, tôn y drafodaeth fwyaf diweddar yma yw ein bod ni'n defnyddio cerfluniau, efallai, fel proxy i drafod materion gwleidyddol cyfredol - y sifft, efallai, sydd wedi bod nawr mewn disgwyliadau cyhoeddus o gyfranogaeth, o gynrychiolaeth, a bod hwn yn un ffordd lle mae hwn wedi codi ei ben. Felly, un peth roeddwn i eisiau dweud yw rydyn ni'n gofyn, efallai, fan hyn, i awdurdodau lleol wneud rhyw safiad moesol. Mae'r safiadau yma wedi eu gwneud yn barod. Ewch i droed unrhyw wefan awdurdod lleol a bydd datganiad yn erbyn caethwasiaeth ddynol, er enghraifft. Mi fydd ganddyn nhw bolisïau urddas. Mi fydd ganddyn nhw bolisïau cydraddoldeb, gwrth-fwlio. Mae'r 'rhinweddau', os leiciwch chi, moesol yma wedi eu rhoi i mewn i gyfundrefnau ar hyd a lled awdurdodau lleol, ac felly dylai efallai cerfluniau ddim bod yn eithriad o hynny, ond hefyd mae yna gynsail gryf iawn i ddadwneud penderfyniadau hanesyddol. Os gymerwch chi fel cymhariaeth goed hanesyddol - coed aeddfed yn rhywle fel Caerdydd - dŷn ni'n gwybod eu bod nhw'n dda i ni, does yna ddim un ohonyn nhw wedi gwerthu caethwas yn eu bywyd. Mae pobl yn gwrthwynebu eu tynnu nhw i lawr ac yn gwneud lot o sŵn am hynny, ond mae cynghorau yn dal i wneud hynny. Felly, os dŷch chi'n edrych ar rywbeth fel yna, sydd yn sicr yn ased cymunedol, mae yna gynsail i ddadwneud y penderfyniadau hanesyddol yma ar hyd a lled Cymru. Felly, byddwn i'n gochel rhag trin cerfluniau fel eithriad jest achos eu bod nhw mor symbolaidd.