English: Thanks to the Minister for bringing the debate today. It's an interesting subject, or a combination of subjects - a sporting one and an artistic one. I agree with much of what Llyr Gruffydd just said on the subject of the football museum. Llyr referred to Wrexham as the spiritual home of Welsh football. Of course, I'm a Cardiff City FC fan, but I totally acknowledge that the north-east corner of Wales was where organised football really began in Wales. Of course, for many years, the Racecourse staged many or most of the Welsh internationals. There was some disquiet in the 1990s among north Walians - I was aware of it at the time - when we started to have more of the internationals coming down to Cardiff, at that time at the national stadium. And I think this would be a good move to re-emphasise the importance of the north-east to include it in a strategy for the celebration of culture in Wales, going along with what Llyr just said. He quoted a couple of important facts about Wrexham, so I won't rehash them, but a couple of other things. There were other important clubs early on in that north-east corner. In the Wrexham area, there was Druids from Ruabon, and there was Chirk FC as well. They were also early winners of the Welsh Football Association Cup, apart from Wrexham. Chirk produced Billy Meredith, who was probably the most famous player of the Edwardian era in the entire British isles, so I think Chirk played a big part as well. So, that would also fit in with the strategy of having this museum in Wrexham. And tying it in with the redevelopment of the stadium, that would be a good idea if we could look at that seriously. I think that does warrant a lot of consideration. And the importance of having a good museum - I mean, we have museums. They're not always of a great status. I remember when we had the national sports museum, it was in St Fagans. There were some items there that were of interest, but it wasn't a particularly well-curated exhibition, and I think that the status of the museum, as Llyr mentioned, is also important; it needs to be a good collection. I agree with David Melding that we need to have a discussion about the contemporary art gallery, because the proposals are a little vaguer on that subject. David intriguingly mentioned Port Talbot, which has cropped up as a possibly innovative site for such an art gallery. Of course, Port Talbot has traditionally been known for its industry rather than for its culture. Of course, now we know that a cultural life is beginning to flourish in Port Talbot, so it would be - [ Interruption.] Okay, well, I'm not being condescending. Port Talbot has a lot of artistic life. This would add to it, so I think that's a radical idea and I think we should consider it. And thanks very much for the report.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Gweinidog am gyflwyno'r ddadl heddiw. Mae'n bwnc diddorol, neu'n gyfuniad o bynciau - pwnc chwaraeon a phwnc celf. Cytunaf â llawer o'r hyn y mae Llŷr Gruffydd newydd ei ddweud ar bwnc yr amgueddfa bêl-droed. Cyfeiriodd Llŷr at Wrecsam fel cartref ysbrydol pêl-droed Cymru. Wrth gwrs, Clwb Pêl-droed Dinas Caerdydd yw fy nghlwb i, ond rwy'n cydnabod yn llwyr mai yng nghornel y gogledd-ddwyrain y dechreuodd pêl-droed cyfundrefnol yng Nghymru mewn gwirionedd. Wrth gwrs, ers blynyddoedd lawer, bu'r Cae Ras yn llwyfan i lawer neu i ran fwyaf o gemau pêl-droed rhyngwladol Cymru. Cafwyd cryn anfodlonrwydd yn y 1990au ymhlith pobl y gogledd - roeddwn yn ymwybodol ohono ar y pryd - pan gafwyd mwy o gemau rhyngwladol yn dod lawr i Gaerdydd, bryd hynny yn y stadiwm genedlaethol. Ac yn fy marn i, byddai hyn yn gam da er mwyn cadarnhau pwysigrwydd y gogledd-ddwyrain drwy ei gynnwys mewn strategaeth ar gyfer dathlu diwylliant yng Nghymru, gan gyd-fynd â'r hyn y mae Llŷr newydd ei ddweud. Dyfynnodd ychydig o ffeithiau pwysig am Wrecsam, felly nid wyf am eu hailadrodd nhw, ond soniaf am un neu ddau o bethau eraill. Roedd clybiau cynnar eraill o bwys ar yr adeg honno yng nghornel y gogledd-ddwyrain. Yn ardal Wrecsam, roedd y Derwyddon o Riwabon, ac roedd Clwb Pêl-droed y Waun hefyd. Roedden nhw'n enillwyr cynnar Cwpan Cymdeithas Bêl-droed Cymru, ar wahân i Wrecsam. Cynhyrchodd clwb y Waun Billy Meredith, a oedd fwy na thebyg yn chwaraewr enwocaf yr oes Edwardaidd drwy Ynysoedd Prydain, felly rwy'n credu bod y Waun wedi chwarae rhan fawr hefyd. Byddai hynny hefyd yn cyd-fynd â'r strategaeth o gael yr amgueddfa hon yn Wrecsam. A byddai cyplysu hynny ag ailddatblygu'r stadiwm yn syniad da pe gallem edrych o ddifrif ar hynny. Credaf fod hynny'n deilwng iawn o ystyriaeth drwyadl. A phwysigrwydd cael amgueddfa dda - hynny yw, mae gennym ni amgueddfeydd. Nid ydyn nhw bob amser o statws aruchel. Rwy'n cofio pan oedd gennym yr amgueddfa chwaraeon genedlaethol, yn Sain Ffagan. Roedd yno rai eitemau a oedd o ddiddordeb, ond nid oedd yr arddangosfa wedi cael ei harddangos yn arbennig o dda, a chredaf fod statws yr amgueddfa, fel y crybwyllodd Llŷr, yn bwysig hefyd; mae angen iddo fod yn gasgliad da. Rwy'n cytuno â David Melding bod angen inni gael trafodaeth ar yr oriel gelf gyfoes, oherwydd mae'r cynigion ar y pwnc hwnnw ychydig yn fwy amwys. Yn rhyfedd ddigon, soniodd David am Bort Talbot, sydd wedi codi ei ben fel safle arloesol o bosib ar gyfer oriel gelf o'r fath. Wrth gwrs, mae Port Talbot yn enwog yn draddodiadol am ei ddiwydiant yn hytrach nag am ei ddiwylliant. Wrth gwrs, gwyddom bellach fod bywyd diwylliannol yn dechrau ffynnu ym Mhort Talbot, felly byddai'n - [ Torri ar draws.] Iawn, wel, nid wyf yn bwriadu bod yn nawddoglyd. Mae gan Bort Talbot ddiwylliant artistig bywiog iawn. Byddai hyn yn ychwanegu at hynny, ac felly credaf fod hynny'n syniad radical a dylem ei ystyried. A diolch yn fawr am yr adroddiad.