English: I don't think there is an inconsistency. The planning process is not a science; it is a set of judgments based on a set of plans in a system that is plan-led. And so, you have to look at the system in the round, and each person who makes a decision, or each committee that makes a decision, will bring some human subjective judgment to how they see the plans. We put out guidance for that, but you can't take away the decision makers' individual weighting for that inside the plan-led process. The First Minister made it very apparent that it's perfectly possible to view that process in that way. We have regular conversations with all levels of the planning process about how those plans should be applied. But in the end, it's the individual decision maker's ability to bring that subjective judgment to bear inside the planning process. Now, I am not in a position - and I understand what you're trying to say - nor would any other decision maker, nor any other Minister anywhere in a plan-led process, be in a position to mandate the decision maker at any point in that system to give a specific sort of weight to a specific policy. Clearly, we have made it very clear that we want environmental considerations to be absolutely at the top of that tree in the consideration, in the round of that planning decision, that individual planning decision. The most important part of that process is in the plan itself, and this is the thing that we're always trying to get across - that people need to be engaged in the plan itself, so the plan itself sets out the parameters for that. So, when the local authority sets out its plan, or revises its plan, or puts its specific planning policies in place, that's the point in time that you want the greatest emphasis put on the kinds of environmental outcomes that you and I would both like to see in this process. And as we go forward with the national development framework, and then, subsequent to that, the strategic planning arrangements, and we have a full planning process in Wales, that plan will lead people through that process in that way. But you can't eliminate completely the decision maker's ability to bring their subjective judgment to a set of plans. It's not a science.
Welsh: Ni chredaf fod yma anghysondeb. Nid gwyddor yw'r broses gynllunio; mae'n set o farnau yn seiliedig ar set o gynlluniau mewn system sy'n dilyn y cynllun. Ac felly, mae'n rhaid i chi edrych ar y system yn ei chyfanrwydd, a bydd gan bob unigolyn sy'n gwneud penderfyniad, neu bob pwyllgor sy'n gwneud penderfyniad, ryw farn oddrychol ddynol ynglŷn â sut y maent yn gweld y cynlluniau. Cyhoeddasom ganllawiau ar gyfer hynny, ond ni allwch ddiddymu barn unigol y sawl sy'n gwneud penderfyniad mewn perthynas â hynny yn y broses sy'n dilyn y cynllun. Dywedodd y Prif Weinidog yn glir iawn ei bod yn gwbl bosibl ystyried y broses honno yn y modd hwnnw. Rydym yn cynnal sgyrsiau rheolaidd â phob lefel o'r broses gynllunio ynghylch sut y dylid rhoi'r cynlluniau hynny ar waith. Ond yn y pen draw, mae'n ymwneud â gallu'r penderfynwr unigol i roi'r farn oddrychol honno o fewn y broses gynllunio. Nawr, nid wyf mewn sefyllfa - ac rwy'n deall yr hyn rydych yn ceisio'i ddweud - ac ni fyddai unrhyw benderfynwr arall, nac unrhyw Weinidog arall mewn unrhyw broses sy'n dilyn y cynllun, mewn sefyllfa i orchymyn y penderfynwr ar unrhyw bwynt yn y system honno i roi pwyslais penodol ar bolisi penodol. Yn amlwg, rydym wedi dweud yn glir iawn ein bod am i ystyriaethau amgylcheddol fod ar frig y goeden honno yn yr ystyriaeth, yn y penderfyniad cynllunio hwnnw yn ei gyfanrwydd, y penderfyniad cynllunio unigol hwnnw. Rhan bwysicaf y broses yw'r cynllun ei hun, a dyma'r peth rydym yn ceisio'i gyfleu bob amser - fod angen i bobl ymwneud â'r cynllun ei hun, fel bod y cynllun ei hun yn nodi'r paramedrau ar gyfer hynny. Felly, pan fydd yr awdurdod lleol yn nodi ei gynllun, neu'n diwygio ei gynllun, neu'n rhoi ei bolisïau cynllunio penodol ar waith, dyna pryd y mae angen rhoi'r pwyslais mwyaf ar y mathau o ganlyniadau amgylcheddol yr hoffech chi a minnau eu gweld yn y broses hon. Ac wrth i ni fwrw ymlaen â'r fframwaith datblygu cenedlaethol, ac yna, ar ôl hynny, y trefniadau cynllunio strategol, a bod gennym broses gynllunio lawn yng Nghymru, bydd y cynllun hwnnw'n arwain pobl drwy'r broses yn y ffordd honno. Ond ni allwch gael gwared yn llwyr ar allu'r penderfynwr i roi eu barn oddrychol ar set o gynlluniau. Nid gwyddor mohoni.