techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Okay, yes. Well, businesses, I'm sure, could work that out. Businesses and organisations - . Everything's possible. I'm sure we could work out exactly who should be responsible for this. But we look at this from the patient perspective. You mentioned the challenges facing them. The challenge facing patients - . When I was a child - and it's still happening to my own children - . You don't have an 'x' or a 'z' in Welsh, but when you go to the optician, you have to look at a chart - . It's heartbreaking to see children not recognising the letters that they see. They see the letters of another language and you have to translate for them. Older people - many older people have to see opticians. It's clinically important. They may need glasses but there may not be - . Or the other way around, of course. So, older people - . I am coming to the question. You mentioned the challenges, but we can overcome challenges in terms of the language of a leaflet or in what language you fill in a form. This is far graver than that. There are older people now who have cataracts, who don't speak much English or whose hearing isn't particularly good, and who can understand and communicate more easily through the medium of Welsh, and they have to deal with an optometrist through the medium of English. That's the challenge. It's not a challenge for professional people to understand a leaflet. The problem is in the question. I'm sorry, but -
Welsh: Ocê, ie. Wel, mae busnesau - . Fi'n siŵr gellir gweithio hwnna mas. Mae busnesau a chyrff - . Mae popeth yn bosib. Mae hyn, dwi'n siŵr, yn bosib - i weithio mas pwy fyddai'n gyfrifol. Ond, dŷn ni'n dod o gyfeiriad y claf. Rŷch chi'n sôn am yr heriau sy'n wynebu nhw. Yr heriau sy'n wynebu'r claf yw - . Amser o'n i'n blentyn - ac mae dal yn digwydd i'm mhlant i - . Does dim llythyren x na z i gael yn y Gymraeg, ond amser chi'n mynd at yr optegydd, chi'n gorfod edrych ar yr - . Mae'n dorcalonnus i weld plant ddim â llythrennau'r iaith maen nhw'n ei deall ond llythrennau iaith arall, a'ch bod chi'n gorfod cyfieithu i bobl. Pobl hŷn - mae lot o bobl hŷn yn mynd at optegwyr. Mae'n glinigol bwysig ofnadwy. Gallai rhywun fod angen sbectol arnyn hwy nhw, ond bod ddim - . Neu'r ffordd arall rownd, wrth gwrs. Pobl hŷn yn mynd - . Rwy'n dod at y cwestiwn. Rŷch chi'n dweud amboutu'r heriau, ond gallwn ni ddod dros heriau o ran beth yw iaith taflen neu beth yw iaith llenwi taflen. Mae e'n rhywbeth llawer mwy dwys na hynny, rwy'n credu. Mae pobl hŷn ar hyn o bryd â cataracts, sydd â ddim llawer o Saesneg neu ddim clyw yn dda, neu'n deall yn well ac yn gallu cyfathrebu'n well yn Gymraeg, yn gorfod ymdrin yn Saesneg gydag optometryddion. Dyna'r her. Nid yr her yw i bobl broffesiynol i allu deall taflen. Mae'r broblem yn y cwestiwn yna. Sori, ond -
English: Before answering that question - and I will answer it - I just want to go back to the previous question. I think you were asking where the responsibilities - the legal responsibilities - lie for ensuring that pamphlets and public materials should be available in Welsh and the answer to that is either the health board or the body that provides it. There are a number of examples where the legal duty lies in that. So, I don't think that that is a difficult question to answer. But in terms of optometrists, I would just challenge the basis of the question. You said that we've moved on because the regulations move on, but not in terms of clinical consultations. They don't relate to clinical consultations, these regulations that have been brought forward by the Government, so we haven't moved forward -
Welsh: Cyn ateb y cwestiwn yna - ac mi wnaf i ei ateb e - dwi jest eisiau mynd yn ôl at y cwestiwn blaenorol. Rwy'n meddwl yr oeddech chi'n gofyn ble dylai'r cyfrifoldeb cyfreithiol fod am sicrhau bod taflenni a deunyddiau cyhoeddus ar gael yn y Gymraeg, a'r ateb i hynny ydy naill ai'r bwrdd iechyd neu'r corff sy'n darparu. Mae yna lwyth o enghreifftiau o le mae'r ddyletswydd gyfreithiol yn gorwedd o ran y pethau hynny. So, dwi ddim yn meddwl bod hwnna'n gwestiwn anodd i'w ateb. Ond o ran optometryddion, buaswn i'n herio'r sail i'r cwestiwn mewn ffordd. Roeddech chi'n dweud ein bod ni wedi symud ymlaen achos mae'r rheoliadau'n symud ymlaen, ond nid ynghylch ymgynghoriadau clinigol. Dŷn nhw ddim yn ymwneud ag ymgynghoriadau clinigol, y rheoliadau y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi dod â nhw gerbron, so dŷn ni ddim wedi symud ymlaen -
English: Yes, I'm just asking it rhetorically - how somebody can say that when, in other countries, optometrists provide services through the medium of another language. Do they say that, worldwide, they should not be providing the service in any language except for English?
Welsh: Ie, ond dwi jest yn gofyn yn rhethregol - sut y mae rhywun yn gallu dweud hynna pan, mewn gwledydd eraill, fydd optometryddion yn darparu gwasanaethau trwy gyfrwng iaith arall. Ydyn nhw'n dweud, trwy'r byd, ddylai ddim bod darpariaeth mewn unrhyw iaith ond y Saesneg?
English: That shows - . The Welsh language is the language of Wales, and it has legal status. Law is made through the medium of Welsh, so it's factually incorrect to say that. As Colin has said, it's stupid to suggest -
Welsh: Mae hwnna'n dangos - . Hynny yw, mae'r Gymraeg yn briod iaith Cymru, ac mae hi'n iaith gyfreithiol. Mae'r gyfraith yn cael ei wneud trwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg, felly mae'n ffeithiol anghywir. Fel mae Colin yn ei ddweud, mae'n dwp awgrymu -
English: But what we're saying is that what they have said is factually incorrect. It's not a matter of whether they're here to answer for themselves. Is it factually correct? No it's not. And also, we could ask perhaps, whether it is unlawful not to make provision through the medium of Welsh. That's what we're talking about here - the regulations. Is it a legal right for someone to have a service through the medium of their own language? There is no basis for what they say. Are they really saying that legally, throughout the world, one can deal with this only through the medium of English?
Welsh: Ond beth rwy'n ei ddweud yw bod beth maen nhw wedi'i ddweud yn ffeithiol anghywir. Dyw e ddim yn fater o, ydyn nhw yma i ateb hynny? Ydy e'n ffeithiol gywir? Nac ydy - i ddweud hynny. A hefyd, gallem ni efallai ddweud, a dweud y gwir, ydy e'n anghyfreithlon i beidio â darparu yn y Gymraeg. Dyna beth ŷn ni'n siarad amdano - y rheoliadau. Ydy e'n hawl cyfreithiol i rywun gael gwasanaeth trwy gyfrwng eu hiaith nhw? O ran beth maen nhw'n ei ddweud, does dim unrhyw sail. Felly, dim ond yn Saesneg gellir yn gyfreithiol, drwy'r byd, ymgymryd â hyn?
English: Just to add to that -
Welsh: Jest i ategu yn bellach i hynny -
English: Well, to be fair, this is important -
Welsh: Wel, i fod yn deg, mae hwn yn bwysig -
English: They say that they recommend that their practitioners should not conduct tests or consultations through another language. I had an opportunity to ask a few members of the society this morning about this and they said that they do have these tests and are consulted through the medium of Welsh by optometrists. So, I don't understand how the body can say that they shouldn't be doing so, when actually it is happening on the ground. As I say -
Welsh: Maen nhw'n dweud eu bod yn argymell eu hymarferwyr i beidio â gwneud profion ac ymgynghoriadau drwy iaith arall. Fe wnes i gael cyfle i holi cwpl o aelodau'r gymdeithas y bore yma am hyn ac ro'n nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw yn cael y profion a'u bod nhw yn cael ymgynghoriad trwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg gan optometryddion. Felly, dwi ddim yn deall sut mae'r corff yn gallu dweud dylen nhw ddim bod yn ei wneud e, ond mae e actually yn digwydd ar lawr gwlad. Fel dwi'n ei ddweud -
English: We can go back to them with that -
Welsh: Gallwn ni fynd yn ôl atyn nhw gyda hynny -
English: It's insulting.
Welsh: Mae'n hollol sarhaus.
English: - and say that it is happening in practice and to ask what they think.
Welsh: - gan ddweud ei fod e'n ymarferol yn digwydd a beth yw eu barn nhw ar hynny.
English: Well, and look as to whether it is factually unlawful.
Welsh: Wel, a edrych ar y ffeithiol - ydy ei'n ffeithiol anghyfreithlon?
English: Well, I would like to ask on what basis they could make such a claim.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n hoffi holi ar ba sail maen nhw'n dweud siẁd beth.
English: I actually don't think that question deserves an answer in the sense - . We live in Wales, where the Welsh language is an official language. I don't think we should be discussing that everything has to happen in English. That is a question that relates to another century.
Welsh: Dwi actually ddim yn meddwl bod y cwestiwn yna yn haeddu ateb yn yr ystyr - . Rŷn ni'n byw yng Nghymru ac mae'r Gymraeg yn iaith swyddogol. Dwi ddim yn meddwl y dylen ni fod yn trafod bod yn rhaid i bopeth ddigwydd yn Saesneg. Mae hwnna'n gwestiwn sy'n perthyn i ganrif arall.
English: That's exactly why the Welsh Language Measure 2011 was introduced.
Welsh: Dyna'r union reswm ddaeth Mesur y Gymraeg 2011.
English: One of the things that we found is that some people who aren't working on the front line are aware of the central importance of the language to the service that they provide, but that isn't found in the front line. One member has mentioned how they sought a service, and they said, 'Well, I speak Welsh but we'll do this in English', because the staff were used to doing that. But what we haven't found is that practitioners don't understand that they're not the important ones in all of this. The patients are the important people and we need a way of overcoming that, and that is a challenge without a doubt. But what we are finding throughout the front line is that they don't seem to have understood how centrally important the language is. Therefore, in putting things such as this in place, in selecting a language of choice and co-ordinating the recording of that properly and raising awareness, of course, it should shift the emphasis from, 'Oh, that poor nurse who's not confident'. That isn't where the emphasis should be; the emphasis should always be on the patient.
Welsh: Felly, un o'r pethau rŷn ni wedi darganfod yw, yn aml, fod rhai pobl, dywedwch, sydd ddim yn rheng flaen yn ymwybodol o bwysigrwydd pa mor ganolog yw'r iaith i'r gwasanaeth, ond dyw e ddim yn cael ei ddarganfod yn y rheng flaen. Mae un aelod wedi sôn am siẁd maen nhw wedi mynd i gael gwasanaeth ac maen nhw wedi dweud, 'O, dwi'n siarad Cymraeg but we'll do this in English ', achos maen nhw wedi arfer ei wneud e'n Saesneg. Ond beth sydd ddim yn cael ei ganfod yw bod yr ymarferwyr yn deall mai nid y nhw sy'n bwysig yn hyn i gyd, ond y claf. Felly, mae angen ffordd o oresgyn hynny, a'n sicr mae hwnna'n her. Ond beth rŷn ni'n ei ddarganfod yn y rheng flaen i gyd yw dyw e ddim yn digwydd eu bod nhw wedi deall pa mor ganolog yw'r iaith. Ac felly, wrth roi pethau fel hyn mewn lle - hynny yw, wrth ddewis iaith ac wrth gydlynu hynny ac annog a chodi ymwybyddiaeth, wrth gwrs - fe ddylai fod yn symud y pwyslais o, 'O, druan ar y person' - y nyrs neu beth bynnag - 'sydd ddim yn hyderus'. Nid dyna ble ddylai'r pwyslais fod; ar y claf y dylai'r pwyslais fod.
English: It's a huge missed opportunity and, of course, we have made suggestions as to how it could be amended so that it does make a difference. So, as they stand, it's a missed opportunity. But I also referred to this in terms of it being counter-productive, in terms of doing something in Welsh just in order to have said you have done it and it's clear to everyone that it's not for any purpose and it's not going to ultimately change the service - it's gone halfway but hasn't gone all the way. So, in that sense, it could be counter-productive because it would generate more work but wouldn't ultimately change the service. So, it's a huge shame, because, in moving forward - . They seem to fear taking the next step. Making those minor changes could really make a difference, deal with this face-to-face contact, and, in doing that, they could make a real difference. I would urge you to include that, because the regulations could make a difference in that regard, but, as they stand, they don't.
Welsh: Mae'n colli cyfle aruthrol ac, wrth gwrs, rŷn ni wedi awgrymu siẁd allai fe newid ychydig i wneud gwahaniaeth. Felly, fel maen nhw, mae'n colli cyfle. Ond hefyd fe wnes i sôn o ran bod yn wrthgynhyrchiol, o ran yr agwedd yma o ran gwneud rhywbeth yn Gymraeg a chofnodi rhywbeth er mwyn ei wneud e, ac mae'n hollol amlwg i bawb nad yw e i bwrpas ac nad yw e'n mynd i newid y gwasanaeth yn y diwedd fel y mae - mae fel petasai fe wedi mynd hanner ffordd a ddim yr holl ffordd. Felly, yn hynny o beth, gallai fe fod yn wrthgynhyrchiol, achos byddai fe'n creu mwy o waith ond ddim yn newid y gwasanaeth ar y diwedd. Felly, mae'n drueni mawr, achos o fynd ychydig ymlaen - . Mae fel petasen nhw'n ofn mynd y cam nesaf. Jest o wneud y newidiadau hynny, gallen nhw wir wneud gwahaniaeth ac ychwanegu, ac ymdrin â'r wyneb yn wyneb yma. Wrth wneud hynny, gallen nhw wir wneud gwahaniaeth. Buaswn i'n eich holi chi i bwyso i wneud hynny, achos mi allen nhw wneud gwahaniaeth yn hynny o beth, ond, fel maen nhw, dŷn nhw ddim.
English: I think we have made two main points regarding workforce planning. Certainly, as you say, there's a lot to do in terms of improving workforce planning in this sector and a number of other sectors that has an impact on the Welsh language. But I think we've made two points to the Government, namely that there is a need for a training college for doctors in Bangor, and that there's a need to look at that, but also that there's a need to look at the quotas in terms of how places on those training courses are used. There are examples of people who are completely qualified to study to be doctors, but then are rejected, and then go to study in England, and are not trained through the medium of Welsh, and we lose the skills of that person. So, those are the two main points that we've been making in terms of workforce planning - that there's a need to look at quotas on these courses and also that there's a need to expand the provision, for example, in Bangor, in terms of the training college.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl ein bod ni wedi gwneud dau brif bwynt ynghylch cynllunio'r gweithlu. Yn sicr, fel rydych chi'n dweud, mae lot fawr i'w wneud ynglŷn â gwella cynllunio gweithlu yn y sector yma a nifer o sectorau eraill sy'n effeithio ar y Gymraeg. Dwi'n meddwl ein bod ni wedi gwneud dau bwynt wrth y Llywodraeth, sef bod angen coleg hyfforddi llawn i feddygon ym Mangor, ac mae angen edrych ar hynny, ond hefyd bod angen edrych ar gwotâu o ran sut mae llefydd ar y cyrsiau hyfforddiant yna yn cael eu defnyddio. Mae yna enghreifftiau o bobl sy'n hollol gymwys i, er enghraifft, fynd i mewn i astudio i fod yn feddyg, ond eto lle yn cael ei wrthod, ac wedyn yn astudio yn Lloegr, yn amlwg ddim yn cael eu hyfforddi drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg, a dŷn ni'n colli sgiliau'r person hynny. Felly, y ddau brif bwynt dwi wedi bod yn eu gwneud am gynllunio gweithlu yw bod angen edrych ar gwotâu ar y cyrsiau hyn a bod hefyd angen ehangu'r ddarpariaeth, er enghraifft, ym Mangor, o ran y coleg hyfforddi.
English: I very much appreciate the nature of that question in accepting that the Welsh language is a central part of training rather than being a bolt-on - it's part of the service that's required. I think that's important, and thank you for that. It's interesting that you say that you hadn't considered the problem of 'x', 'z' and 'v' or whatever. And that's the point, isn't it - you wouldn't consider it, you wouldn't be aware, but patients certainly would. And the representative bodies may not be aware of that either, and that's an important point. Because we all know - it's almost a joke. Also, in terms of quotas - yes, that's important. It is done elsewhere across the globe. And it does show that if people do go to study away from home, they're unlikely to return. So, if there were quotas of Welsh speakers in Cardiff, Swansea and Bangor universities, that would be positive. And, of course, everyone can learn a language - it is a skill that can be learnt, and that's an important point to be made. But one thing that perhaps isn't dealt with in the regulations is the language requirement of posts. I live in Llandysul where over 60 per cent of people are Welsh speakers. They have appointed someone at the desk who is a non-Welsh speaker. So, the whole ethos of the surgery has changed. Very vulnerable people go into that surgery. This doesn't deal with language choice at any level.
Welsh: Dwi'n gwerthfawrogi'n fawr bod natur y cwestiwn yna yn derbyn bod y Gymraeg yn rhan ganolog o'r hyfforddiant a ddim yn atodiad - bod e'n rhan o'r gwasanaeth sydd ei angen ar feddyg. Dwi'n meddwl bod hynny'n bwysig, a diolch am wneud hynny. Mae'n ddifyr eich bod chi'n dweud ei fod e ddim wedi dod ar eich traws chi - y broblem amboutu 'x', 'z' a 'v' neu beth bynnag. A dyna'r pwynt, yntefe - byddech chi ddim yn gwybod, ond byddai cleifion yn gwybod. A byddai'r cyrff ddim yn gwybod am hynny, ac mae hynny'n bwynt pwysig. Achos, rŷm ni i gyd yn gwybod - mae e bron yn jôc, yntefe. Ond hefyd, o ran cwotâu - ie, mae hynny'n hollbwysig. Mae'n cael ei wneud mewn gwledydd eraill ar draws y byd. Mae'n dangos os yw pobl yn mynd bant i astudio, dŷn nhw ddim yn debygol o ddod yn ôl. Felly mae angen cwotâu o siaradwyr Cymraeg ym Mhrifysgol Caerdydd, Abertawe a Bangor. Ac, wrth gwrs, mae pawb yn gallu dysgu iaith hefyd, yntefe - mae'n sgil sy'n gallu cael ei ddysgu hefyd, ac mae hynny'n bwynt pwysig i'w wneud. Ond efallai rhywbeth sydd ddim yn cael ei ymdrin ag ef yn y rheoliadau yw gofyniad iaith mewn swydd. Dwi'n byw yn Llandysul. Mae dros 60 y cant o bobl Llandysul yn siaradwyr Cymraeg. Maen nhw wedi apwyntio rhywun wrth y ddesg sydd ddim yn medru'r Gymraeg. So, mae'n ateb y ffôn, mae'n croesawu pobl. Mae holl naws y feddygfa wedi newid. Mae pobl fregus iawn yn dod i mewn i'r feddygfa yna. Er enghraifft, dyw hyn ddim yn ymdrin chwaith â dewisiad iaith ar unrhyw lefel.
English: And that has been missed because primary care has been exempted from the health standards more generally, because one of the main advantages of that system is that it forces bodies to assess the language skills, and we've lost that in exempting primary care from this.
Welsh: Ac mae hynny wedi cael ei golli oherwydd bod gofal sylfaenol wedi cael ei eithrio o safonau iechyd yn fwy cyffredinol, achos un o brif fanteision y system yna yw ei fod e'n gorfodi cyrff i asesu anghenion sgiliau iaith swydd. Felly, rŷm ni wedi colli hynny o eithrio gofal sylfaenol o'r dyletswyddau.
English: Okay, we have to move on because time has passed. Just a final question, quickly, from Rhianon, hopefully, on monitoring and enforcement.
Welsh: Ocê, mae'n rhaid i ni symud ymlaen, sori - mae amser wedi mynd heibio. Jest cwestiwn olaf clou gan Rhianon, gobeithio, ar fonitro a gorfodi.
English: Could I just throw that question back and ask what is the cost of the English language to the health service?
Welsh: Alla i jest ofyn - falle i dawlu'r cwestiwn yn ôl - beth yw cost yr iaith Saesneg i'r gwasanaeth iechyd?
English: But there is a point to my question; it's almost a rhetorical question.
Welsh: Ie, ond mae yna bwynt yn fy nghwestiwn i; mae e bron yn gwestiwn rhethregol.
English: Just one way of responding to it is by saying we believe that it's the basic right of workers to have education through the workplace. In other sectors, I don't think members would accept that it isn't a right for workers. I think it's the right of a worker to learn Welsh, and that is a basic and important right. And I don't think in other areas that somebody would then start going around questioning workers' rights to other things.
Welsh: Jest un ffordd o ymateb iddo fe yw dweud ein bod ni'n credu mai un o hawliau sylfaenol gweithwyr yw i gael addysg trwy'r gweithle. Dwi ddim yn meddwl mewn meysydd eraill byddai lot o aelodau'n derbyn y dylai ddim bod hawl i rywbeth i'r gweithwyr. Rŷn ni'n ei weld fel hawl y gweithwyr i ddysgu'r Gymraeg, ac mae hwnna'n hawl sylfaenol a phwysig. Dwi ddim yn meddwl mewn meysydd eraill byddai rhywun wedyn yn dechrau mynd rownd yn cwestiynu hawliau gweithwyr i bethau eraill.
English: I think it's a basic right for the worker to learn Welsh in the workplace. I think it is a basic right and there should be no question regarding cost. But just to go back, you say we don't think -
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n hawl sylfaenol i'r gweithiwr ddysgu Cymraeg yn y gweithle. Dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n hawl sylfaenol na ddylid ddim ei gwestiynu ar sail cost. Ond jest i fynd nôl, rŷch chi'n dweud dŷn ni ddim yn meddwl -
English: Okay. The Welsh language is a skill, so they would be given training. If a nurse couldn't give you an injection - well, she would be able to - but she would be trained to do that because it would be a core part of the service. Now, what's not been understood in the question is that the Welsh language is a core part of the service - it's not a bolt-on, it's not, 'Well, this is the Welsh language budget'. So, all of the rest of the budget is an English budget and then you have that bolt-on that's the Welsh language budget, is it? So, English is the norm, yes? What if things are drafted in Welsh? Because they can be, of course. So, then, to translate them to English, that would be a cost for the English language, would it?
Welsh: Ocê. Iawn. So, sgil yw'r Gymraeg, yntefe? Felly, byddan nhw'n mynd i gael hyfforddiant. Dywedwch fod nyrs ddim yn gallu rhoi chwistrelliad yn eich braich chi - byddai hi yn - ond byddai hi'n mynd i gael hyfforddiant i wneud hwnna achos bod e'n rhan greiddiol o'r gwasanaeth. Beth yn y cwestiwn sydd ddim wedi cael ei ddeall yw bod y Gymraeg yn rhan greiddiol o'r gwasanaeth - ddim yn atodiad, ddim fel, 'Dyma budget y Gymraeg'. Felly, mae'r holl budget arall yn budget Saesneg - holl budget yr NHS yn budget Saesneg a'r atodiad yw'r Gymraeg, ie? Hynny yw, Saesneg yw'r norm felly, ie? Beth os yw pethau'n cael eu creu'n Gymraeg, taflenni a phethau, achos maen nhw yn, maen nhw'n gallu cael eu - . Wedyn, i'w cyfieithu nhw i'r Saesneg, byddai hwnna'n gost i'r Saesneg byddai fe?
English: I'm asking her to move on.
Welsh: Rwy'n gofyn iddi symud ymlaen.
English: But the other point that we have made is that much of this is about planning and processes.
Welsh: Ond hefyd, y pwynt arall rŷn ni wedi'i wneud yw bod lot ohono fe i wneud â chynllunio a phrosesu.
English: Much of this relates to planning and processes that wouldn't involve costs. If the cost you're talking about is the training and translation costs, then some surgeries do draft in Welsh originally. That's where we want to get to - to work internally through the medium of Welsh and to translate to English. But it's not a matter of cost -
Welsh: Mae lot ohono fe i wneud â phrosesu a chynllunio, sydd ddim yn ymwneud â chostau. Os taw'r gost rŷch chi'n siarad amdano yw hyfforddi a chyfieithu - . Hynny yw, mae rhai meddygfeydd yn paratoi pethau'n Gymraeg, efallai. Dyna lle rŷn ni eisiau ei gyrraedd - gweithio'n fewnol yn Gymraeg a chyfieithu i'r Saesneg. Ond dyw e ddim yn fater o gost bod -
English: Could I just add to that? I've thought of an answer -
Welsh: Gaf i jest ategu hynny? Sori, dwi wedi meddwl am ateb -
English: Of course, in other sectors where standards have been introduced, workers have the right to have Welsh lessons in the workplace. So, not to provide that right in the care sector means that these workers don't have the same rights as other workers in those sectors.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs. Yn sectorau eraill lle mae safonau wedi cael eu pasio, mae hawl gan weithwyr i gael gwersi Cymraeg yn y gweithle. Felly, mae peidio â rhoi'r hawl yn y sector gofal yn golygu bod y gweithwyr yma ddim yn cael yr un hawliau â phobl eraill yn y sectorau hynny.