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English: Welcome to you all to this latest meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here in the Senedd. Under item 1, I'm very pleased to welcome fellow Members, the Cabinet Secretary and his advisors, and the public, to this meeting. Can I explain that the meeting is bilingual? You can use the headsets to hear interpretation from Welsh to English on channel 1, or to hear amplified original sound on channel 2. This meeting will be broadcast, and a transcription of the proceedings will be published. May I remind all those present to switch off their mobile phones, and also remind Members and witnesses that you don't need to touch the buttons on the microphones? The system operates automatically. And, if an alarm should sound, may I ask people to follow the instructions of the ushers? We have received apologies from Angela Burns, and are very pleased to welcome Suzy Davies here, to substitute on her behalf. And, at the beginning of the meeting, Jenny Rathbone is here, substituting for Dawn Bowden.
Welsh: Croeso i chi i gyd i gyfarfod diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. O dan eitem 1, rwy'n falch iawn i groesawu cyd-Aelodau, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet a'i gynghorwyr, a'r cyhoedd, i'r cyfarfod yma. Gallaf ymhellach egluro bod y cyfarfod yma yn ddwyieithog. Gellir defnyddio clustffonau i glywed cyfieithu ar y pryd o'r Gymraeg i'r Saesneg ar sianel 1, neu i glywed cyfraniadau yn yr iaith wreiddiol yn well ar sianel 2. Bydd y cyfarfod yma yn cael ei ddarlledu, a bydd y trawsgrifiad o'r trafodion yn cael ei gyhoeddi. A allaf fi atgoffa pobl i ddiffodd eu ffonau symudol, a hefyd atgoffa Aelodau a'r tystion nad oes angen cyffwrdd â'r meicroffonau? Fel rydych chi'n ei wybod erbyn nawr, mae'r system yn gweithio yn awtomatig. Ac os bydd yna larwm tân yn canu, a allaf fi ofyn i bobl ddilyn cyfarwyddiadau'r tywyswyr? Rydym ni wedi derbyn ymddiheuriadau oddi wrth Angela Burns, ac rwy'n falch iawn o groesawu Suzy Davies yma fel dirprwy. A hefyd, i ddechrau'r cyfarfod, mae Jenny Rathbone yma, yn dirprwyo dros Dawn Bowden.
English: We're turning now to item 2 on the agenda: the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, Stage 2. The purpose of this morning's meeting is to discuss the amendments. With regards to this item, Members should have in front of them the marshalled list of amendments, and the groupings of amendments for debate. To explain, the marshalled list of amendments is the list of all amendments tabled, marshalled into the order in which the sections appear in the Bill. So, for this meeting, the order in which we consider amendments will be: first of all, sections 1 to 9, then schedule 1, then sections 10 to 29, and then the long title. And you'll see from the groupings list that amendments have been grouped to facilitate debate, but the order in which they're called and moved for a decision is dictated by the marshalled list. Members will need to follow the two papers, although I will advise Members when I call them whether they are being called to speak in the debate, or to move their amendments for a decision. There will be one debate on each group of amendments, and Members who wish to speak in a particular group should indicate this in the usual way. I will call the Cabinet Secretary to speak on each group of amendments. Before moving on to the first group of amendments, may I formally welcome, once again, the Cabinet Secretary, and ask him to introduce his officials for the record? Good morning.
Welsh: Symudwn ymlaen i eitem 2 ar yr agenda: Bil Iechyd y Cyhoedd (Isafbris am Alcohol) (Cymru), Cyfnod 2. Pwrpas y cyfarfod y bore yma ydy trafod y gwelliannau. Mewn perthynas â'r eitem yma, felly, dylai fod gan Aelodau o'u blaenau y rhestr o'r holl welliannau sydd wedi eu didoli, a'r gwelliannau wedi eu grwpio i'w trafod. Ac, i egluro, y rhestr o welliannau wedi eu didoli ydy'r rhestr o'r holl welliannau a gyflwynwyd, wedi eu didoli yn y drefn y mae'r adrannau yn ymddangos yn y Bil. Felly, ar gyfer y cyfarfod hwn, y drefn ar gyfer trafod y gwelliannau fydd: yn gyntaf, adrannau 1 i 9, wedyn atodlen 1, wedyn adrannau 10 i 29, ac wedyn y teitl hir. Byddwch chi'n gallu gweld o'r ddogfen grwpio gwelliannau bod y gwelliannau wedi eu grwpio i hwyluso'r drafodaeth, ond mae'r drefn y cânt eu galw a'u cynnig, er mwyn gwneud penderfyniad arnynt, yn dilyn y rhestr o welliannau wedi eu didoli. Bydd angen i'r Aelodau ddilyn y ddau bapur, felly, er y byddaf yn rhoi gwybod i'r Aelodau wrth alw arnynt a ydynt yn cael eu galw i siarad yn y ddadl, ynteu i gynnig eu gwelliannau er mwyn gwneud penderfyniadau arnynt. Bydd un ddadl ar bob grŵp o welliannau. Dylai unrhyw Aelod sy'n dymuno siarad am grŵp penodol, felly, gyfleu hynny i fi yn y modd arferol. Byddaf yn galw ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i siarad am bob grŵp o welliannau. Ac ar y pwynt yna, cyn i ni symud ymlaen i'r grŵp cyntaf o welliannau, a gaf fi yn ffurfiol groesawu unwaith eto Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, a gofyn iddo fe gyflwyno ei swyddogion ar gyfer y record? Bore da.
English: Thank you very much. And, after that short preamble, we'll move on to discuss the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, and the amendments in group 1.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Wedi'r rhagymadrodd yna, felly, fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen i drafod Bil Iechyd y Cyhoedd (Isafbris am Alcohol) (Cymru) a gwelliannau yng ngrŵp 1.
English: The amendments in this group relate to minimum unit price. Amendments 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 are contained in this group. Group 1, as I said before, relates to a minimum unit price. The lead amendment in the group is amendment 1 in the name of Angela Burns. So, I therefore call on Suzy Davies, in Angela's absence, to move amendment 1, and to speak to the amendments in this group. Suzy.
Welsh: Mae'r gwelliannau yn y grŵp yma yn ymwneud ag isafbris uned. Grŵp 1: mae gwelliannau 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 a 7 yn fan hyn. Fel rwyf wedi ei ddweud eisoes, mae grŵp 1 yn ymwneud ag isafbris uned. Y prif welliant yn y grŵp yma ydy gwelliant 1, yn enw Angela Burns. Galwaf, felly, ar Suzy Davies, yn ei habsenoldeb hi, fel rwyf fi wedi ei ddweud eisoes, i gynnig gwelliant 1 ac i siarad am y gwelliannau yn y grŵp yma. Suzy.
English: Thank you very much, Suzy. Now there's an opportunity for other Members to speak. First of all, Rhun ap Iorwerth.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Suzy. Nawr yw'r cyfle i Aelodau eraill siarad. Yn gyntaf, Rhun ap Iorwerth.
English: Thank you very much, Chair. I will also outline how I will be dealing with this particular group, and maybe give a little background in relation to that also, regarding the attitude towards this Bill in general. I do agree with the principle of using financial incentives to try and lead to a change in behaviour and I am persuaded to support the legislation on that basis. There are many elements of the Bill that I'm uncomfortable with, including the potential for it to have a disproportionate effect in relation to people who drink moderately and are on low incomes, for example, and getting the price right is a very important part of how we respond to that danger. There are political arguments in relation to putting the price on the face of the Bill and giving the power over that price to the Assembly, not the Government, from the very beginning. But personally, I am not persuaded yet that 50p is the correct price. As Suzy said, I don't have the correct evidence to set the price, but some factors come to mind that tell me that we do need additional work in this area. For example, I'm tabling amendments, later on, that refer to the need, I believe, to have far more assurance in relation to the work and the statistics being collected in setting this minimum price. So, I don't think it's the time now to put the price on the face of the Bill, and that that should happen through regulations. In having that order of events correct, that's where we should be setting the minimum price. So, I will be voting against.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd. Mi wnaf fi hefyd amlinellu sut rwy'n mynd i fod yn delio efo'r grŵp yma a rhoi ychydig o eiriau o gefndir mewn perthynas â hynny hefyd, ynglŷn â'r agwedd tuag at y Bil yma yn gyffredinol. Rwyf yn cytuno efo'r egwyddor o ddefnyddio cymhellion ariannol i drio arwain at newid ymddygiad, ac rwy'n cael fy mherswadio i gefnogi'r ddeddfwriaeth ar y sail honno. Mae yna sawl agwedd ar y Bil rydw i'n anghyfforddus â nhw, yn cynnwys y potensial iddo fo gael effaith anghymesur a ddim yn hafal ar bobl sydd yn yfed yn gymedrol ac ar incwm isel ac yn y blaen, ac mae cael y pris yn iawn yn rhan bwysig iawn o sut rydym yn ymateb i'r peryg hwnnw. Mae yna ddadleuon gwleidyddol dros gynnig pris ar wyneb y Bil, o ran rhoi'r grym dros y pris yna, o'r cychwyn, yn nwylo'r Cynulliad Cenedlaethol ac nid Llywodraeth Cymru. Ond nid wyf i yn bersonol ddim wedi fy argyhoeddi eto mai 50c ydy'r pris iawn. Nid oes gen i, fel Suzy, y dystiolaeth gywir i bennu beth ydy'r pris, ond mae yna ambell ffactor yn fy meddwl i sy'n gwneud i fi feddwl bod angen gwaith ychwanegol ar hyn, ac mae yna welliannau yn cael eu cynnig yn nes ymlaen gen i sydd yn cyfeirio at yr angen, yn fy nhyb i, i gael llawer mwy o sicrwydd ynglŷn â lefel y gwaith a'r ymchwil a'r ystadegau sy'n cael eu casglu wrth osod yr isafbris hwnnw. Felly, nid wyf yn meddwl mai ar wyneb y Bil, rŵan, ydy'r amser i roi'r pris, ac mai drwy regulations ydy'r amser i wneud hynny. Ac o gael y drefn honno'n iawn, dyna ydy'r lle i osod yr isafbris. Felly, pleidleisio yn erbyn y gwelliannau yma y byddaf i.
English: Thank you very much, Jenny. I now call on the Cabinet Secretary to speak.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Jenny. Galwaf ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i siarad nesaf.
English: Thank you very much, Cabinet Secretary. May I now call on Suzy Davies to reply to the debate? Suzy.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Ysgrifennydd Cabinet. A allaf alw nawr ar Suzy Davies i ymateb i'r ddadl? Suzy.
English: Well, that's the next point I was going to confirm with you, Suzy, whether you wanted to move to a vote on amendment 1.
Welsh: Ie, wel, dyna'r pwynt nesaf roeddwn i'n mynd i gadarnhau efo chi, Suzy, os hoffech symud i bleidlais ar welliant 1.
English: Yes, thank you.
Welsh: Hoffwn, diolch.
English: Thank you very much. May I note, as we are moving to a vote, if amendment 1 is not agreed, amendments 3, 5, 6 and 7 will also fall? So, the question is that amendment 1 be agreed. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Therefore, we'll go to a vote. The question therefore is: those in favour, please raise your hands. One. Those against, please raise your hands: five. And those abstaining: one. Therefore, may I declare that amendment 1 is not approved? And as amendment 1 was not agreed, amendments 3, 5, 6 and 7 also fall.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. A allaf gyhoeddi, gan ein bod ni yn symud i bleidleisiau, os gwrthodir gwelliant 1, bydd gwelliannau 3, 5, 6 a 7 hefyd yn methu? Felly, y cwestiwn ydy: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 1? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Felly, awn at bleidlais. Y cwestiwn felly: y rheini sydd o blaid gwelliant 1, a allwch chi bleidleisio drwy ddangos dwylo? Un. Y sawl sydd yn erbyn i godi eu dwylo: pump. Y sawl sydd yn ymatal: un. Felly, a gaf gyhoeddi bod gwelliant 1 wedi ei wrthod? A gan fod gwelliant 1 wedi ei wrthod, mae gwelliannau 3, 5, 6 a 7 hefyd yn methu.
English: Yes, I do.
Welsh: Ydw. Gwnaf.
English: Suzy agrees to move amendment 2. So, the question is that amendment 2 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] There is objection, so we'll move to a vote through a show of hands. So, once again, those in favour of amendment 2, please raise your hands. One. Those against amendment 2, please raise your hands. Five against. And those abstaining: one. Therefore, amendment 2 is not agreed.
Welsh: Suzy yn cytuno i gynnig gwelliant 2. Y cwestiwn ydy, felly: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 2? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Mae yna wrthwynebiad. Felly, rydym yn mynd i gael pleidlais drwy ddangos dwylo unwaith eto. Y rheini sydd o blaid derbyn gwelliant 2, a allwch chi godi'ch dwylo? Un. Y sawl sydd yn erbyn gwelliant 2, a allwch chi ddangos? Pump yn erbyn. A'r sawl sydd yn ymatal: un. Nawr, gwrthodwyd, felly, gwelliant 2.
English: Group 2, now, relates to procedures for regulations under section 1. Amendments 15, 4, 16, 13 and 21 appear in this group. And as I said, group 2 relates to a procedure for regulations under section 1. The lead amendment in the group is amendment 15, in the name of Rhun ap Iorwerth. Therefore, I call on Rhun ap Iorwerth to speak to this amendment and the other amendments in this group. Rhun.
Welsh: Gwelliannau grŵp 2, rŵan - hynny ydy, y weithdrefn ar gyfer rheoliadau o dan adran 1. Mae gwelliannau 15, 4, 16, 13 a 21 yn fan hyn. Ac fel rydw i'n dweud, grŵp 2 o welliannau sydd yn fan hyn. Maen nhw'n ymwneud â gweithdrefn ar gyfer rheoliadau o dan adran 1. Y prif welliant yn y grŵp yma ydy gwelliant 15, yn enw Rhun ap Iorwerth. Felly, galwaf ar Rhun ap Iorwerth i siarad am ei welliant a gwelliannau eraill y grŵp yma. Rhun.
English: Thank you very much, Rhun. I'll call on Suzy Davies next.
Welsh: Diolch, yn fawr, Rhun. Fe wnaf i alw ar Suzy Davies nesaf.
English: Thank you very much, Rhun. Turning to the time to vote on the amendments in group 2, I take it from what you've said with regard to amendment 15 that you are withdrawing that amendment.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Rhun. Gan droi rŵan at yr amser i bleidleisio ar y gwelliannau yng ngrŵp 2, rydw i'n cymryd o beth rwyt ti wedi ei ddweud ynglŷn â gwelliant 15 dy fod yn tynnu hwnnw yn ôl.
English: Yes, I'm withdrawing that on the basis of the wording and so forth.
Welsh: Fe wnaf i dynnu hwnnw yn ôl ar sail y geiriad ac ati.
English: There we are. Is there any opposition from any Member to the withdrawal of amendment 15? No, there is no opposition. Therefore, amendment 15 is withdrawn.
Welsh: Dyna ni. A oes yna unrhyw wrthwynebiad gan unrhyw Aelod i dynnu gwelliant 15 yn ôl? Na, nid oes gwrthwynhebiad. Felly, mae gwelliant 15 yn cael ei dynnu yn ôl.
English: We move on now to the next amendment in this group, and I can say that if amendment 4 is not agreed, then amendment 13 will also fall. So, may I ask Suzy Davies if she wishes to move amendment 4?
Welsh: Wrth symud ymlaen at y gwelliant nesaf yn y grŵp yma, gallaf ddweud, os gwrthodir gwelliant 4, bydd gwelliant 13 hefyd yn methu. Felly, a allaf ofyn i Suzy Davies, a ydych yn dymuno cynnig gwelliant 4?
English: Yes, you do wish to move amendment 4. The question is that amendment 4 be agreed to. Is there any objection? [ Objection. ] Right, there is more than one objection, therefore, to amendment 4. So, we'll move to a vote, and the Chair will remember to vote this time as well, which will be a novelty. [ Laughter.] So, the question is whether you approve amendment 4. All those in favour, please raise your hands. One in favour. Those against, please raise your hands. Six against. And those abstaining? One. Therefore, amendment 4 is not agreed. And as amendment 4 was not agreed, amendment 13 also falls.
Welsh: Ydych, rydych chi'n fodlon cynnig gwelliant 4. Y cwestiwn ydy: a oes yna unrhyw wrthwynebiad i welliant 4? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Reit, mae yna fwy nag un gwrthwynebiad, felly, i welliant 4. Felly, rydym yn symud i bleidlais, ac mi wnaiff y Cadeirydd gofio pleidleisio y tro yma hefyd, sydd yn rhywbeth newydd. [ Chwerthin.] Felly, y cwestiwn ydy: a ydych chi'n derbyn gwelliant 4? Pawb sydd o blaid i ddangos eu dwylo. Un o blaid. Y rheini sydd yn erbyn i ddangos drwy godi eu dwylo. Chwech yn erbyn. Y sawl sydd yn ymatal? Un. Felly, mae gwelliant 4 wedi ei wrthod. A gan fod gwelliant 4 wedi ei wrthod, mae gwelliant 13 hefyd yn methu.
English: Moving on now, if amendment 16 is not agreed, amendment 21 will also fall. So, with regard to amendment 16 - Rhun, do you wish to move amendment 16?
Welsh: Gan symud ymlaen, os gwrthodir gwelliant 16, bydd gwelliant 21 hefyd yn methu. Felly, i'r perwyl yma, ynglŷn â gwelliant 16 - Rhun, a ydych chi'n dymuno cynnig gwelliant 16?
English: Yes, I formally propose.
Welsh: Yn cynnig yn ffurfiol.
English: Rhun moves amendment 16. The question is that amendment 16 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] There is objection, therefore we will move to a vote by show of hands. Those in favour of amendment 16, please raise your hands. Two. Those against amendment 16, five. And those abstaining, one. Therefore, amendment 16 is not agreed.
Welsh: Mae Rhun yn cynnig gwelliant 16. Y cwestiwn ydy: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 16: A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Mae yna wrthwynebiad, felly symudwn ni i bleidlais. Y rhai sydd o blaid derbyn gwelliant 16, a allwch chi ddangos? Dau. Y sawl sydd yn erbyn gwelliant 16, pump. A'r sawl sy'n ymatal, un. Felly gwrthodwyd gwelliant 16.
English: As amendment 16 was not agreed, amendment 21 falls as well.
Welsh: Gan fod gwelliant 16 wedi ei wrthod, mae gwelliant 21 yn methu hefyd.
English: And as amendment 1 was not agreed previously, amendments 5, 6 and 7 also fall.
Welsh: A gan fod gwelliant 1, o'r blaen, wedi ei wrthod, mae gwelliannau 5, 6 a 7 hefyd yn methu.
English: This means that we move on now to group 3 of the amendments, and the amendments in group 3 are related to charitable contribution from alcohol sales. These are amendments 17 and 20 in this group, group 3. The lead amendment in the group is amendment 17 in the name of Rhun ap Iorwerth, therefore, I call on Rhun ap Iorwerth to move amendment 17 and to speak to the amendments in this group - Rhun.
Welsh: Mae hynny'n golygu ein bod ni'n mynd ymlaen i grŵp 3 o'r gwelliannau rŵan, ac mae'r gwelliannau yn grŵp 3 yn ymwneud â chyfraniad elusennol o werthiannau alcohol. Gwelliannau 17 a 20 sydd yma yn y grŵp yma, grŵp 3. Y prif welliant yn y grŵp ydy gwelliant 17 yn enw Rhun ap Iorwerth, ac felly galwaf ar Rhun ap Iorwerth i gynnig gwelliant 17 ac i siarad am ei welliannau yn y grŵp yma - Rhun.
English: Just very quickly, thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Rhywbeth clou, diolch, Cadeirydd.
English: Thank you very much, Dawn. May I now call on the Cabinet Secretary to speak?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Dawn. A allaf i alw ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i siarad?
English: Thank you very much, Cabinet Secretary.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Ysgrifennydd Cabinet.
English: Thank you very much, Chair, and thanks to everyone for their comments and for noting your support for what I'm trying to achieve here, even if it's not exactly in the way we're trying to look at it. We're at an early enough stage in this Bill to look at this again. I don't disagree with the comments by the Members and the Cabinet Secretary. I will make the point again that the difficulty we are facing here, of course, stems substantially from the lack of powers in this place. Of course, you would expect me to emphasise that and the fact that we could be doing different things if circumstances were different in relation to devolution. However, I note the support for the principle and I'd like to keep that support alive, and therefore I'd like the discussion to continue on this area, and therefore, I am happy to withdraw this amendment, and I look forward to continuing to discuss with the Government, I hope, how we can achieve this, whether through a voluntary scheme or maybe something stronger than that.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd, a diolch i bawb am eu sylwadau ac am nodi eich cefnogaeth i'r hyn rydw i'n treio ei gyflawni yn fan hyn, os nad yr union ffordd yr ydym ni'n mynd o'i chwmpas hi. Rydym ni'n ddigon cynnar yn nhaith y Bil yma i allu edrych eto ar hynny. Nid ydw i'n anghytuno â sylwadau sydd wedi cael eu gwneud mewn difrif, pa un ai gan aelodau'r pwyllgor neu gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Mi wnaf i'r pwynt eto bod yr anhawster yr ydym yn ei wynebu yn fan hyn yn deillio yn sylweddol oherwydd diffyg pwerau y lle hwn. Yn amlwg, mi fyddwch yn disgwyl imi bwysleisio hynny a'r ffaith y gallem ni fod yn gwneud pethau gwahanol pe bai'r amgylchiadau yn wahanol o ran datganoli. Ond rydw i yn nodi'r gefnogaeth i'r egwyddor, am gadw'r gefnogaeth i'r egwyddor yn fyw, ac felly yn dymuno i'r drafodaeth barhau, ac, yn hynny o beth, rydw i'n barod i dynnu'r cynnig yma yn ei ôl, gan edrych ymlaen at barhau i drafod efo'r Llywodraeth, gobeithio, ynglŷn â sut i wthio'r maen i'r wal ar gynllun, p'un ai'n wirfoddol neu, o bosib, rhywbeth cryfach na hynny.
English: Thank you very much, Rhun. So, just to confirm, Rhun, you wish to withdraw this amendment. Is there any opposition to the withdrawal of amendment 17? No opposition. So, I can confirm that amendment 17 has been withdrawn, and that means that amendment 20 is also withdrawn and falls in this particular context.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Rhun. Felly, i gadarnhau, Rhun, rwyt ti'n dymuno tynnu'r gwelliant yma yn ôl. A oes yna unrhyw wrthwynebiad i dynnu gwelliant 17 yn ôl? Dim gwrthwynebiad. Felly, gallaf gadarnhau bod gwelliant 17 wedi'i dynnu yn ôl. Mae hynny'n golygu bod gwelliant 20 hefyd wedi'i dynnu nôl ac yn methu yn y cyd-destun yma.
English: So, we can move on now to group 4 of the amendments, which deals with guidance. This is amendment 8. It's the lead and, indeed, only amendment in the group, which has been tabled in the name of Angela Burns. So, I call on Suzy Davies to move amendment 8 and speak to amendment 8. Suzy.
Welsh: Felly, rydym ni'n gallu symud ymlaen i grŵp 4 yn y gwelliannau yma, ac o dan grŵp 4 rŷm ni'n trin canllawiau. Gwelliant 8 sydd yn y fan hyn. Y prif welliant, a'r unig welliant yn wir, yn y grŵp ydy gwelliant 8, sydd wedi'i gyflwyno yn enw Angela Burns. Felly, galwaf ar Suzy Davies i gynnig gwelliant 8 ac i siarad am welliant 8. Suzy.
English: Thank you very much, Suzy. Do any other Members wish to speak? Rhun.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Suzy. Unrhyw Aelod arall yn dymuno siarad? Rhun.
English: Just to note very briefly that I will support this amendment. I put it in the category I referred to earlier, namely as a way of bringing people with us on this journey, and, certainly, giving guidelines to retailers is part of that, and setting the expectations and what they need to do to conform.
Welsh: Dim ond i nodi'n fyr iawn y byddaf i'n cefnogi'r gwelliant yma. Rydw i'n ei roi o yn y categori y gwnes i gyfeirio ato fo yn gynharach - o fod yn fodd i ddod â phobl efo ni ar y daith yma - ac yn sicr, mae rhoi canllawiau i fanwerthwyr yn rhan o hynny a gosod y disgwyliadau a'r hyn sydd angen iddyn nhw ei wneud i gydymffurfio.
English: Thank you very much, Rhun. Do any other Members wish to speak? No. Therefore, I call on the Cabinet Secretary to speak.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Rhun. Unrhyw Aelod arall eisiau siarad? Nac oes. Felly, gwnaf i alw ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i siarad.
English: Thank you very much, Cabinet Secretary. I call on Suzy Davies, therefore, to reply to the debate. Suzy.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Galwaf ar Suzy Davies, felly, i ymateb i'r ddadl. Suzy.
English: Thank you very much, Suzy. To confirm, therefore, do you wish to move to a vote on this?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Suzy. Felly, i gadarnhau, a wyt ti'n dymuno gweld pleidlais yn fan hyn?
English: So we do move to a vote by show of hands. The question is that amendment 8 be agreed. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] There is an objection, so we move straight to a vote by show of hands. Those in favour of amendment 8, please raise your hands - three. Those against, please raise your hands - four. Those who are abstaining - one. Therefore, amendment 8 is not agreed.
Welsh: Felly rydym ni'n symud i bleidlais. Y cwestiwn ydy: a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 8? A oes unrhyw wrthwynebiad? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Mae yna wrthwynebiad, felly awn ni yn syth i bleidleisio. Felly, a all y sawl sydd o blaid gwelliant 8 godi eu dwylo nhw, os gwelwch yn dda? Tri. Y sawl sydd yn erbyn i godi eu dwylo - pedwar. Y sawl sy'n ymatal - un. Felly, gwrthodwyd gwelliant 8.