English: I'd just like to understand, first of all, that the response to the chief fire and rescue adviser's report, you've received it from north Wales, but you haven't had a comprehensive reply from mid or south Wales rescue authorities. That's disappointing to hear, because I know you called for it in your statement on 11 November, I think, in this Chamber, and you said you expected to receive that imminently. So, what I'm about to say is not their view that I've received, because nobody seems to have had it yet, but it is the view of the Fire Brigades Union members that I've spoken to. So, I just wanted to share with you, in the absence of the rescue authorities giving you a view, this is what I've had from the Fire Brigades Union members. They feel that there's currently an issue with fatigue on shifts and it's not something that - . Sorry, they do not feel there's currently an issue with fatigue on shifts and it's not something that they feel needs to be addressed. That's what was told to me by an FBU member, a fire worker, in south Wales. They said that they feel that the stand-down periods that firefighters have between shifts, removing those periods could actually be counterproductive, and they feel that they wouldn't want to see that happen. They feel that, if the changes go ahead, then fatigue will actually increase. They feel stand-down periods are vital to ensuring sufficient rest for firefighters between shifts, and adopting the proposed changes would have an adverse impact on work-life balance for a workforce who staff a service that is open 24/7/365, and childcare arrangements, for example, would be negatively affected, in the view of this fire worker that I spoke to. They find themselves, they told me, in agreement with their senior management, although I note, as I've said earlier, that senior management don't seem to have responded to you - [ Interruption.] Oh, they have. Okay, they have responded to you - okay. So, I think your social partnership approach is really useful. I think if these issues are to be ironed out, that's the best way to do it. Does the Minister think, therefore, that any interim meetings would be useful, to understand the view of the FBU as it was described to me?
Welsh: Hoffwn ddeall, yn gyntaf oll, mai'r ymateb i adroddiad y prif gynghorydd tân ac achub, yr ydych wedi ei gael, yw un o'r gogledd, ond nad ydych chi wedi cael ateb cynhwysfawr gan awdurdodau achub y canolbarth na'r de. Mae hynny'n siomedig i'w glywed, oherwydd rwy'n gwybod eich bod wedi galw amdano yn eich datganiad ar 11 Tachwedd, rwy'n credu, yn y Siambr hon, ac fe ddywedoch chi eich bod yn disgwyl ei gael unrhyw ddydd. Felly, nid eu barn nhw yw'r hyn yr ydw i ar fin ei ddatgan, oherwydd does neb wedi ei chael eto, dim ond barn aelodau Undeb y Brigadau Tân yr wyf i wedi siarad â nhw. Felly, roeddwn i eisiau rhannu gyda chi, yn absenoldeb barn yr awdurdodau achub, dyma'r hyn yr wyf wedi ei gael gan aelodau Undeb y Brigadau Tân. Maen nhw o'r farn bod problem ynghylch blinder ar shifftiau ar hyn o bryd ac nid yw'n rhywbeth sydd - . Mae'n ddrwg gen i, dydyn nhw ddim yn credu bod problem ynghylch blinder ar shifftiau ar hyn o bryd ac nid yw'n fater y maen nhw'n credu y mae angen mynd i'r afael ag ef. Dyna a ddywedwyd wrthyf i gan aelod o'r FBU, gweithiwr tân, yn y de. Dywedon nhw eu bod yn teimlo y byddai cael gwared ar y cyfnodau o seibiant i ddiffoddwyr tân rhwng shifftiau yn wrthgynhyrchiol mewn gwirionedd, ac maen nhw'n teimlo na fydden nhw eisiau gweld hynny'n digwydd. Maen nhw'n teimlo, pe bai'r newidiadau'n mynd yn eu blaenau, yna byddai blinder yn cynyddu mewn gwirionedd. Maen nhw'n teimlo bod cyfnodau o seibiant yn hanfodol er mwyn sicrhau digon o orffwys i ddiffoddwyr tân rhwng shifftiau, a byddai mabwysiadu'r newidiadau arfaethedig yn cael effaith andwyol ar gydbwysedd bywyd-gwaith gweithlu sy'n staffio gwasanaeth sydd ar agor 24/7/365, a byddai effeithiau negyddol ar drefniadau gofal plant, er enghraifft, a dyna farn y gweithiwr tân hwn y bûm yn siarad ag ef. Maen nhw'n cael eu hunain, medden nhw wrthyf i, yn cytuno â'u huwch reolwyr, er fy mod i'n nodi, fel yr wyf wedi dweud yn gynharach, nad yw'n ymddangos bod uwch reolwyr wedi ymateb i chi - [ Torri ar draws. ] O, maen nhw. Iawn, maen nhw wedi ymateb i chi - iawn. Felly, rwy'n credu bod eich dull gweithredu partneriaeth gymdeithasol yn ddefnyddiol iawn. Rwy'n credu os yw'r materion hyn i'w datrys, dyna'r ffordd orau i wneud hynny. A yw'r Gweinidog yn credu, felly, y byddai unrhyw gyfarfodydd dros dro yn ddefnyddiol, i ddeall barn Undeb y Brigadau Tân fel y'i disgrifiwyd i mi?