English: I don't know what the former member of UKIP and the former member of the Conservative group, and much else besides, has been doing over the summer, but I've been doing a bit of thinking. I now realise that devolution by any measure has been a failure, and that is something with which a very large proportion of people in Wales agree with. There was an S4C poll that was done earlier this year, and people were asked whether they thought that the Assembly had changed how Wales is governed for the better, and only 34 per cent answered that question in the affirmative. When they were asked whether they thought it had been better for the health service, only 23 per cent said 'yes'. So, it certainly hasn't been the case that the Welsh people have been convinced that the efforts of this place and the Welsh Government have benefited them. Therefore, we think that, after 20 years, it's right that the people should be asked again to give their opinion on whether they want to continue this experiment or not. I know that the Labour Party now is very keen, in Wales at any rate, to have another referendum, to have a people's vote, and Plaid Cymru, of course, have always been keen to have a people's vote on independence, and so we could combine the two with a series of questions. I think the Welsh people should be able to decide whether this devolution experiment has been a success or not, and whether there isn't another way forward that would be better, and perhaps go on beyond devolution and devolve powers further. Why don't we democratise the health service in Wales, for example, considering that the health service has been so disastrously mismanaged from Cardiff, and continues to be disastrously mismanaged from Cardiff? We could take devolution even further down to the people than here in Cardiff. We could have further devolution in the education system as well, and put the education Minister out of a job. We could give more powers to local authority to take an independent view of the way they want to manage their own schools within their own areas. I think that could be very healthy for democracy as well. So, that could be another way of re-engaging with the people who actually still, to a very large extent, have no idea what are the powers of this place. It's still the case that a very large proportion of the Welsh people don't know that the health service has been devolved. Surely, that is a failure if ever there was one, considering that it takes half of the Welsh Government's budget. Now, when devolution was first mooted, a case was made for it on the basis that it would help to keep the union together - the union of the United Kingdom, that is. And now we see that the United Kingdom is being rent apart, actually, despite devolution, most particularly, obviously, in Scotland. Certainly, the existence of the Scottish Parliament has done nothing to assuage the demand for political independence in Scotland, something which Plaid Cymru would be very much in favour of, but I as a unionist, of course, am very alarmed by that. And the existence of the Scottish Government has made it more likely that we will see the United Kingdom break up, rather than less. There are other reasons for that, of course, not least, as was pointed out earlier on, the confusion that's been created by the way that Westminster has mismanaged Brexit, where we have a 'remain' Parliament and a 'leave' people, and the confusion that that has caused has enabled Scotland, of course, to make it more difficult for us to deliver on the referendum result. And we also see in the Labour Party that some of its members have been flirting with a move towards further independence as well, and the First Minister said in July that Wales's support for the union in the United Kingdom is not unconditional. So, I say that what we need after 20 years of experience of devolution is to put the case to the people yet again. Therefore, we need to go beyond devolution and we need to reconnect with the people of Wales, and get a better deal after 20 years of total failure.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn gwybod beth y mae'r cyn-Aelod UKIP a'r cyn-aelod o'r grŵp Ceidwadol, a llawer arall yn ogystal, wedi bod yn ei wneud dros yr haf, ond rwyf i wedi bod yn gwneud ychydig o feddwl. Sylweddolaf yn awr fod unrhyw fesur o ddatganoli wedi bod yn fethiant, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth y mae cyfran fawr iawn o bobl Cymru yn cytuno ag ef. Cafwyd arolwg ar S4C yn gynharach eleni, a gofynnwyd i bobl a oeddent yn credu bod y Cynulliad wedi newid y ffordd y llywodraethir Cymru er gwell, a dim ond 34 y cant a atebodd y cwestiwn hwnnw yn gadarnhaol. Pan ofynnwyd iddynt a oeddent yn credu ei fod wedi bod yn well i'r gwasanaeth iechyd, dim ond 23 y cant a ddywedodd 'ydy'. Felly, yn sicr nid yw wedi bod yn wir fod y Cymry wedi cael eu hargyhoeddi bod ymdrechion y lle hwn a Llywodraeth Cymru wedi bod o fudd iddynt. Felly, ar ôl 20 mlynedd, credwn ei bod yn iawn i'r bobl gael eu holi eto i roi eu barn ynglŷn ag a ydynt am barhau â'r arbrawf hwn ai peidio. Gwn fod y Blaid Lafur yn awr yn awyddus iawn, yng Nghymru beth bynnag, i gael refferendwm arall, i gael pleidlais y bobl, ac mae Plaid Cymru, wrth gwrs, wedi bod yn awyddus erioed i gael pleidlais y bobl ar annibyniaeth, ac felly gallem gyfuno'r ddau â chyfres o gwestiynau. Rwy'n credu y dylai pobl Cymru allu penderfynu a fu'r arbrawf datganoli hwn yn llwyddiant ai peidio, ac a oes ffordd arall ymlaen a fyddai'n well, ac efallai'n mynd y tu hwnt i ddatganoli a datganoli pwerau ymhellach. Pam na wnawn ni ddemocrateiddio'r gwasanaeth iechyd yng Nghymru, er enghraifft, o ystyried bod y gwasanaeth iechyd wedi'i gamreoli mor drychinebus o Gaerdydd, ac yn parhau i gael ei gamreoli'n drychinebus o Gaerdydd? Gallem fynd â datganoli ymhellach i lawr i'r bobl nag yma yng Nghaerdydd. Gallem gael datganoli pellach yn y system addysg hefyd, fel na fydd angen swydd y Gweinidog Addysg. Gallem roi mwy o bwerau i awdurdodau lleol arddel safbwynt annibynnol ar y ffordd y maent am reoli eu hysgolion eu hunain yn eu hardaloedd eu hunain. Rwy'n credu y gallai hynny fod yn iach iawn i ddemocratiaeth hefyd. Felly, gallai honno fod yn ffordd arall o ailgysylltu â'r bobl nad oes ganddynt syniad, i raddau helaeth iawn, beth yw pwerau'r lle hwn. Mae'n dal yn wir nad yw cyfran fawr iawn o'r Cymry yn gwybod bod y gwasanaeth iechyd wedi cael ei ddatganoli. Does bosibl nad yw hynny'n fethiant os bu un erioed, o ystyried ei fod yn mynd â hanner cyllideb Llywodraeth Cymru. Nawr, pan grybwyllwyd datganoli yn gyntaf, gwnaethpwyd achos drosto ar y sail y byddai'n helpu i gadw'r undeb gyda'i gilydd - undeb y Deyrnas Unedig, hynny yw. Ac yn awr gwelwn fod y Deyrnas Unedig yn cael ei rhwygo'n ddarnau, mewn gwirionedd, er gwaethaf datganoli, yn fwyaf arbennig, yn amlwg, yn yr Alban. Yn sicr, nid yw bodolaeth Senedd yr Alban wedi gwneud dim i leddfu'r galw am annibyniaeth wleidyddol yn yr Alban, rhywbeth y byddai Plaid Cymru'n ei gefnogi'n fawr, ond mae hynny'n fy mrawychu i'n fawr, fel unoliaethwr. Ac mae bodolaeth Llywodraeth yr Alban wedi'i gwneud yn fwy tebygol y gwelwn y Deyrnas Unedig yn chwalu, yn hytrach nag yn llai tebygol. Mae rhesymau eraill dros hynny, wrth gwrs, nid yn lleiaf, fel y nodwyd yn gynharach, y dryswch a grëwyd yn sgil y ffordd y mae San Steffan wedi camreoli Brexit, lle mae gennym Senedd sydd am 'aros' a phobl sydd am 'adael', ac mae'r dryswch a achosodd hynny wedi galluogi'r Alban, wrth gwrs, i'w gwneud yn anos inni gyflawni canlyniad y refferendwm. A gwelwn hefyd yn y Blaid Lafur fod rhai o'i haelodau hi wedi bod yn chwarae gyda'r syniad o symud tuag at fwy o annibyniaeth hefyd, a dywedodd Prif Weinidog Cymru ym mis Gorffennaf nad yw cefnogaeth Cymru i'r undeb yn y Deyrnas Unedig yn ddiamod. Felly, rwy'n dweud mai'r hyn sydd angen i ni ei wneud ar ôl 20 mlynedd o brofiad o ddatganoli yw cyflwyno'r achos i'r bobl unwaith eto. Felly, mae angen inni fynd y tu hwnt i ddatganoli ac mae angen inni ailgysylltu â phobl Cymru, a chael bargen well ar ôl 20 mlynedd o fethiant llwyr.