English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Can I thank all the Members who have contributed this afternoon? I think it's been an excellent debate. Darren Millar, thank you for your contribution and for your work on the inquiry. You quite rightly highlighted the quite alarming patchwork nature, really, of the provision and the fact that we were, as a committee, unable to actually identify what was happening on the ground, which was, in itself, very worrying. I, too, am grateful for the tribute that you paid to the Gwent ethnic minority support service, who I think made a big impression on the whole committee and who are doing an absolutely excellent job. But the problem that we have got is that, as far as we know, those cases of good practice are not being spread. And as you say, the evidence from the consortia was disappointing. I do share your concerns about the session that we had with Estyn. It was worrying that they came to us and said that they had done this review back in 2011 and hadn't actually followed up on the recommendations. I think if the Welsh Government was doing that, we would have something very strong to say about it. I think, with the inspectorates, we have to expect that there will be that rigour in following up where they have invested the time in actually inspecting something. Can I thank Julie Morgan for her contribution? Julie is a very passionate advocate of the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller community, and especially of the children, and I was really pleased that Julie, as a member of the committee, played such a key role in the inquiry. I share the concern that the equality impact assessment that was undertaken was not sufficient, and I know that the stakeholders felt that, and I hope that, although mindful of what the Welsh Government have just said, going forward, the Welsh Government will learn lessons from this in taking similar decisions in the future. Julie made very important points about role models, and that was something that came out in the inquiry - that we're trying to encourage these young people to be in school, but yet they haven't actually got many role models, and that goes for Gypsy, Roma and Traveller children, but also for minority ethnic children. That was also an issue that came out in the inquiry. And thank you for highlighting the peer-review project. I think it's vitally important that we all keep the views of children at the centre of what we are trying to achieve. Can I thank Bethan Jenkins for her contribution, for stepping up to the plate for Llyr today? It's much appreciated. Thank you for your comments. I don't think the committee was saying that these are a homogenous group. Particularly with minority ethnic learners, that is certainly not the case, but we have to make sure that where we have minority ethnic groups that are not performing, we ensure that the right interventions are in place, and that certainly wasn't clear from the evidence that we took. Similarly, we weren't in a position to recommend specifically what local authorities or consortia should be doing, because we just didn't have sufficient information on what was happening on the ground, which is why the key focus, really, of our recommendations has been on the need for there to be proper, rigorous monitoring and evaluation. Can I thank David Melding for his contribution today, for highlighting the very important tensions between mainstream provision and ring-fenced targeting provision? I certainly agree with you that while we would all hope that everything can be achieved through a mainstream setting, there are clearly circumstances where that is not going to happen, and that's why we need this targeted approach. And I thank you, too, for your emphasis on the need for proper monitoring and evaluation, and also for your kind words about the committee's work in this area. Can I thank the Cabinet Secretary for her contribution as well today, and for her very constructive engagement with the committee on this topic? I particularly welcome what you've said today about the need to strengthen the performance management framework; that is most welcome, and we will look forward to following up with you on that. And to thank Members generally for their participation today and just repeat what I've said in the previous committee debates that we've had: this isn't just a one-off that we're going to put aside and leave; we are intending to follow this up very rigorously going forward and to continue to shine a spotlight on this very important area of work. So, thank you very much, everyone.
Welsh: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r holl Aelodau sydd wedi cyfrannu y prynhawn yma? Rwy'n credu ei bod wedi bod yn ddadl ardderchog. Darren Millar, diolch i chi am eich cyfraniad ac am eich gwaith ar yr ymchwiliad. Roeddech yn gwbl gywir i dynnu sylw at natur dameidiog y ddarpariaeth, sy'n eithaf brawychus mewn gwirionedd, a'r ffaith nad oeddem ni, fel pwyllgor, yn gallu nodi'r hyn a oedd yn digwydd ar lawr gwlad, a oedd, ynddo'i hun, yn destun pryder mawr. Rwyf innau hefyd yn ddiolchgar i chi am dalu teyrnged i wasanaeth cymorth lleiafrifoedd ethnig Gwent, a gafodd argraff fawr, rwy'n credu, ar y pwyllgor cyfan ac sy'n gwneud gwaith hollol ragorol. Ond y broblem sydd gennym yw nad yw'r enghreifftiau hynny o arfer da yn cael eu lledaenu hyd y gwyddom. Ac fel y dywedwch, roedd y dystiolaeth gan y consortia'n siomedig. Rwy'n rhannu eich pryderon am y sesiwn a gawsom gydag Estyn. Roedd yn destun pryder eu bod wedi dod atom a dweud eu bod wedi gwneud yr adolygiad hwn yn ôl yn 2011 ac nad oeddent wedi gwneud gwaith dilynol ar yr argymhellion. Pe bai Llywodraeth Cymru yn gwneud hynny, rwy'n credu y byddai gennym rywbeth cryf iawn i'w ddweud am y peth. Gyda'r arolygiaethau, rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i ni ddisgwyl y ceir y trylwyredd hwnnw wrth wneud gwaith dilynol lle y maent wedi buddsoddi amser, mewn gwirionedd, yn arolygu rhywbeth. A gaf fi ddiolch i Julie Morgan am ei chyfraniad? Mae Julie yn eiriolwr brwd iawn dros y gymuned Sipsiwn, Roma a Theithwyr, ac yn enwedig y plant, ac roeddwn yn falch iawn fod Julie, fel aelod o'r pwyllgor, wedi chwarae rhan mor allweddol yn yr ymchwiliad. Rwy'n rhannu'r pryder nad oedd yr asesiad o'r effaith ar gydraddoldeb a gynhaliwyd yn ddigonol, a gwn fod y rhanddeiliaid yn teimlo hynny, ac er fy mod yn ymwybodol o'r hyn y mae Llywodraeth Cymru newydd ei ddweud, rwy'n gobeithio wrth symud ymlaen y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru'n dysgu gwersi o hyn wrth wneud penderfyniadau tebyg yn y dyfodol. Gwnaeth Julie bwyntiau pwysig iawn am fodelau rôl, ac roedd hynny'n rhywbeth a ddaeth yn amlwg yn yr ymchwiliad - rydym yn ceisio annog y bobl ifanc hyn i fod yn yr ysgol, eto i gyd nid oes ganddynt lawer o fodelau rôl mewn gwirionedd, ac mae hynny'n wir am blant Sipsiwn, Roma a Theithwyr, ond hefyd am blant o leiafrifoedd ethnig. Roedd hwnnw hefyd yn fater a ddaeth yn amlwg yn yr ymchwiliad. A diolch i chi am dynnu sylw at y prosiect adolygu gan gymheiriaid. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn hanfodol bwysig fod pawb ohonom yn cadw safbwyntiau plant yn ganolog i'r hyn rydym yn ceisio ei gyflawni. Hoffwn ddiolch i Bethan Jenkins am ei chyfraniad, am gamu i'r adwy dros Llyr heddiw. Mae'n cael ei werthfawrogi'n fawr. Diolch i chi am eich sylwadau. Nid wyf yn credu bod y pwyllgor yn dweud bod y rhain yn grŵp unffurf. Yn enwedig gyda dysgwyr o leiafrifoedd ethnig, nid yw hynny'n wir o gwbl, ond mae'n rhaid inni wneud yn siŵr, lle y mae gennym grwpiau lleiafrifoedd ethnig nad ydynt yn perfformio, ein bod yn sicrhau bod yr ymyriadau cywir ar waith, ac yn sicr nid oedd hynny'n glir yn y dystiolaeth a gawsom. Yn yr un modd, nid oeddem mewn sefyllfa i argymell yn benodol yr hyn y dylai awdurdodau lleol neu gonsortia fod yn ei wneud, oherwydd nid oedd gennym ddigon o wybodaeth am yr hyn a oedd yn digwydd ar lawr gwlad, a dyna pam y mae ffocws allweddol ein hargymhellion, mewn gwirionedd, wedi bod ar yr angen am fonitro a gwerthuso trylwyr a phriodol. A gaf fi ddiolch i David Melding am ei gyfraniad heddiw, am dynnu sylw at y tensiynau pwysig iawn rhwng darpariaeth prif ffrwd a darpariaeth wedi'i thargedu a'i chlustnodi? Rwy'n sicr yn cytuno â chi, er y byddai pawb ohonom yn gobeithio y gellir cyflawni popeth drwy drefniant prif ffrwd, yn amlwg ceir amgylchiadau lle nad yw hynny'n mynd i ddigwydd, a dyna pam ein bod angen dull wedi'i dargedu fel hyn. A diolch i chi, hefyd, am eich pwyslais ar yr angen am fonitro a gwerthuso priodol, a hefyd am eich geiriau caredig am waith y pwyllgor yn y maes hwn. A gaf fi ddiolch hefyd i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am ei chyfraniad heddiw, ac am ei hymwneud adeiladol iawn â'r pwyllgor ar y pwnc hwn? Croesawaf yn arbennig yr hyn a ddywedoch heddiw am yr angen i gryfhau'r fframwaith rheoli perfformiad; mae hynny i'w groesawu'n fawr, a byddwn yn edrych ymlaen at wneud gwaith dilynol gyda chi ar hynny. A diolch i'r Aelodau'n gyffredinol am eu cyfranogiad heddiw ac i ailadrodd yr hyn rwyf wedi'i ddweud yn ystod y dadleuon a gawsom yn flaenorol yn y pwyllgor: nid gwaith untro y byddwn yn ei roi o'r neilltu a'i adael yw hwn; rydym yn bwriadu gwneud gwaith dilynol trylwyr iawn arno wrth symud ymlaen a pharhau i dynnu sylw at y maes gwaith pwysig hwn. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn, bawb.