English: Can I start by saying how excited I am to be having this conversation and this debate in this place this afternoon? Deputy Presiding Officer, I think there are times, and I say this with the greatest of respect to everybody taking part in this debate, when the tyranny of parliamentary process can suck the whole life out of any ambition and the most compelling vision. This is about delivering, for many of us, on a century long campaign for home rule and the establishment of parliaments in the British isles. Keir Hardie, when he was first elected to represent Merthyr and Aberdare - Vikki isn't here, but she'll hear about it if I forget that - when he was first elected, he was elected on the platform of home rule, and I hope that we can all, or most of us at least, unite around that ambition. Devolution, I think, is a dreadfully ugly word; it's all about process and nothing about destination. For me, I hope that the people that I represent will share my vision about a home rule Parliament here in Wales. As Donald Dewar said, self-Government within the United Kingdom, delivering for the people of Wales, delivering for the people who elected us here, with a focus not simply on the institution but the focus on what we're here to do and here to achieve. I agree with everything that David Melding said on all of the other issues. I thought it was a speech that extended our visions here this afternoon. I would endorse the whole of the recommendations that he made. I won't pursue that argument for that reason. But, let me say this: we are suffering in many ways today because of a lack of preparation during the 1990s for the creation of devolved Government in Wales. That preparation of course did take place in Scotland and their journey has been far smoother, I think, as a consequence of that. But since then we have had an embarrassment of riches of commissions and committees looking at various aspects of the operation of devolved governance in Wales. And we have failed - failed completely - to take note of all of those people and all of that work. That failure must come to an end today and it must come to an end now. We need the political courage and the vision post 1999 to deliver on what we seek to achieve. For me, the term 'Parliament' is important, and I accept that I have moved my position on this. I was persuaded by the Deputy Minister for economy, who's persuaded me of many things in the past, I'm afraid - trouble is never far away - that the term 'Senedd' was identifiable, in a very similar way to the way that Dai Lloyd has described. However, I am persuaded. I have no objection, I should say, to the use of the term 'Senedd' in both Welsh and English. But it has become clear to me as this debate has evolved that people want us to use both languages equally, and those for whom Welsh is not their first language want us to use the term 'Parliament' and not simply the term 'Senedd'. This is not our institution. It is an institution that belongs to the people that we represent. We have an absolute responsibility to ensure that everybody feels equally represented by this institution and within this institution. And, for me, that makes it absolutely clear that this is a Parliament for Wales, for everyone in Wales; it is our Senedd, Senedd Cymru, but it is a Parliament and a Senedd, representing everybody equally, and we need to be able to do that and do that in the title of this institution. I listened to the comments made by my good friend from Pontypridd, and I read the report from the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee on how we will go about making this change, and I have to say, it summed up all the difficulties with constitutional change in Wales over the last 20 years. There seems to be a dispute over whether we're able to do everything we need to do because of the 2006 legislation and the rest of it. We need to be able to move more quickly, more clearly and more simply to make this change, and we need to do so along the lines and in the time frame that is being introduced by the Presiding Officer. And when we do create this Parliament, we call ourselves Members of it. I've heard all sorts of different arguments, and I think we've really got to move away from playground banter in this debate. This is a serious, mature debate about who we are and what we are as a nation. I want to be a Member of the Welsh Parliament, an MWP, which fits well into people's understanding and expectations of what people like us are described as. People are used to MSPs, MEPs and MPs, and people will become used to MWPs. They may not be at the moment, but it's clear that we need to do that. My time is up, Deputy Presiding Officer, but I do wish to seek your indulgence as well. A Parliament is more than a gathering and more than a letterhead, it's more than a title. We need to have the Members and the legitimacy of an electoral system that elects those Members to make this place work effectively and to be the Parliament that the people want it to be. I regret that Plaid Cymru have put forward their debate and their motion this afternoon, which seeks to divide rather than to unify. I hope that my party will play its part in ensuring that we do have the numbers here to do the job, elected in such a way as to provide for equality and accountability. We have neither of those things at the moment, but if we are to create a Parliament that will be rooted not just in the legislation of this country but in the hearts and the minds of the people of this country, then we need the political courage to take that argument out, to make the changes, to pass the law, to create that Parliament. Thank you very much.
Welsh: A gaf fi ddechrau drwy ddweud pa mor gyffrous ydw i i gael y sgwrs hon a'r ddadl hon yn y lle hwn y prynhawn yma? Ddirprwy Lywydd, credaf fod yna adegau, a dywedaf hyn gyda'r parch mwyaf at bawb sy'n cymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon, pan all gormes y broses seneddol sugno'r bywyd allan o unrhyw uchelgais a'r weledigaeth fwyaf argyhoeddiadol. I lawer ohonom, mae a wnelo hyn â chyflawni ymgyrch canrif o hyd am ymreolaeth a sefydlu seneddau ar ynysoedd Prydain. Keir Hardie, pan etholwyd ef gyntaf i gynrychioli Merthyr Tudful ac Aberdâr - nid yw Vikki yma, ond fe gaiff glywed os anghofiaf hynny - pan etholwyd ef gyntaf, cafodd ei ethol ar lwyfan ymreolaeth, ac rwy'n gobeithio y gallwn oll, neu'r rhan fwyaf ohonom o leiaf, uno o amgylch yr uchelgais hwnnw. Credaf fod datganoli yn air hyll ofnadwy; mae'n ymwneud â phroses a dim byd am gyrchfan. I mi, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y bobl rwy'n eu cynrychioli'n rhannu fy ngweledigaeth ynghylch Senedd ymreolaethol yma yng Nghymru. Fel y dywedodd Donald Dewar, mae hunanlywodraeth o fewn y Deyrnas Unedig, yn cyflawni dros bobl Cymru, yn cyflawni dros y bobl a'n hetholodd ni yma, gan ganolbwyntio nid yn unig ar y sefydliad ond ar yr hyn yr ydym yma i'w wneud ac yma i'w gyflawni. Cytunaf â phopeth a ddywedodd David Melding ar yr holl faterion eraill. Roeddwn yn meddwl ei bod hi'n araith a estynnodd ein gweledigaethau yma y prynhawn yma. Buaswn yn cymeradwyo'r holl argymhellion a wnaeth. Nid af ar ôl y ddadl honno am y rheswm hwnnw. Ond gadewch i mi ddweud hyn: rydym yn dioddef mewn sawl ffordd heddiw oherwydd diffyg paratoi yn ystod y 1990au ar gyfer creu Llywodraeth ddatganoledig yng Nghymru. Digwyddodd y paratoadau hynny yn yr Alban wrth gwrs ac mae eu taith wedi bod yn fwy esmwyth o lawer o ganlyniad i hynny rwy'n credu. Ond ers hynny rydym wedi cael llu o gomisiynau a phwyllgorau'n edrych ar amrywiol agweddau ar weithrediad llywodraethu datganoledig yng Nghymru. Ac rydym wedi methu - wedi methu'n llwyr - â nodi'r holl bobl hynny a'r holl waith hwnnw. Rhaid i'r methiant hwnnw ddod i ben heddiw a rhaid iddo ddod i ben yn awr. Mae arnom angen y dewrder gwleidyddol a'r weledigaeth ar ôl 1999 i gyflawni'r hyn y ceisiwn ei gyflawni. I mi, mae'r term 'Parliament' yn bwysig, ac rwy'n derbyn fy mod wedi newid fy safbwynt ar hyn. Fe'm perswadiwyd gan Ddirprwy Weinidog yr economi, sydd wedi fy mherswadio ynghylch llawer o bethau yn y gorffennol, mae arnaf ofn - nid yw helynt byth yn bell i ffwrdd - fod modd adnabod y term 'Senedd', mewn ffordd debyg iawn i'r ffordd y mae Dai Lloyd wedi'i disgrifio. Fodd bynnag, rwyf wedi fy narbwyllo. Nid oes gennyf wrthwynebiad, dylwn ddweud, i ddefnyddio'r term 'Senedd' yn y Gymraeg a'r Saesneg. Ond daeth yn amlwg i mi wrth i'r ddadl hon esblygu fod pobl am inni ddefnyddio'r ddwy iaith yn gyfartal, ac mae'r rhai nad yw'r Gymraeg yn iaith gyntaf iddynt am inni ddefnyddio'r term 'Parliament' ac nid y term 'Senedd' yn unig. Nid ein sefydliad ni yw hwn. Mae'n sefydliad sy'n perthyn i'r bobl a gynrychiolwn. Mae gennym gyfrifoldeb llwyr i sicrhau bod pawb yn teimlo eu bod yn cael eu cynrychioli'n gyfartal gan y sefydliad hwn ac o fewn y sefydliad hwn. Ac i mi, mae hynny'n ei gwneud hi'n gwbl glir mai Senedd i Gymru yw hon, i bawb yng Nghymru; ein Senedd ni, Senedd Cymru, ond mae'n Parliament ac yn Senedd, sy'n cynrychioli pawb yn gyfartal, ac mae angen inni allu gwneud hynny a gwneud hynny yn nheitl y sefydliad hwn. Gwrandewais ar y sylwadau a wnaethpwyd gan fy nghyfaill o Bontypridd, a darllenais yr adroddiad gan y Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a Deddfwriaethol ar sut yr awn ati i sicrhau'r newid hwn, ac mae'n rhaid imi ddweud ei fod wedi crynhoi'r holl anawsterau gyda newid cyfansoddiadol yng Nghymru dros yr 20 mlynedd diwethaf. Mae'n ymddangos bod dadl o ran ein gallu i wneud popeth sydd angen i ni ei wneud oherwydd deddfwriaeth 2006 ac yn y blaen. Mae angen inni allu symud yn gyflymach, yn gliriach ac yn fwy syml i wneud y newid hwn, ac mae angen inni wneud hynny ar hyd y llinellau ac o fewn yr amserlen sy'n cael ei chyflwyno gan y Llywydd. A phan fyddwn yn creu'r Senedd hon, rydym yn galw ein hunain yn Aelodau ohoni. Rwyf wedi clywed pob math o ddadleuon gwahanol, ac rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i ni symud i ffwrdd o bryfocio cae chwarae yn y ddadl hon. Mae hon yn ddadl ddifrifol, aeddfed ynglŷn â phwy ydym ni a beth ydym ni fel cenedl. Rwyf am fod yn Aelod o Senedd Cymru, sef ASC, sy'n gweddu'n dda i ddealltwriaeth a disgwyliadau pobl o'r modd y caiff pobl fel ni ein disgrifio. Mae pobl wedi arfer ag ASA, ASE ac AS, a bydd pobl yn dod i arfer ag ASC. Efallai nad ydynt ar hyn o bryd, ond mae'n amlwg bod angen inni wneud hynny. Mae fy amser wedi dod i ben, Ddirprwy Lywydd, ond hoffwn innau ofyn i chi fod yn oddefgar hefyd. Mae Senedd yn fwy na chasgliad o bobl ac yn fwy na phennawd llythyr, mae'n fwy na theitl. Mae angen inni gael yr Aelodau a chyfreithlondeb system etholiadol sy'n ethol yr Aelodau hynny i wneud i'r lle hwn weithio'n effeithiol ac i fod yn Senedd y mae'r bobl am ei chael. Mae'n ofid i mi fod Plaid Cymru wedi cyflwyno'u dadl a'u cynnig y prynhawn yma, sy'n ceisio rhannu yn hytrach nag uno. Gobeithio y bydd fy mhlaid yn chwarae ei rhan i sicrhau bod gennym y niferoedd yma i wneud y gwaith, wedi'u hethol yn y fath fodd fel eu bod yn darparu ar gyfer cydraddoldeb ac atebolrwydd. Nid oes gennym yr un o'r pethau hynny ar hyn o bryd, ond os ydym am greu Senedd a fydd wedi ei gwreiddio nid yn unig yn neddfwriaeth y wlad hon ond yng nghalonnau a meddyliau pobl y wlad hon, mae arnom angen dewrder gwleidyddol i fynd â'r ddadl honno allan, i wneud y newidiadau, i basio'r ddeddf, i greu'r Senedd honno. Diolch yn fawr.