English: Thank you, Janet Finch-Saunders, for your contribution to the debate. You raised a lot of points in what you said; I'll just make a few comments in response. First of all, I think it's important to remember that we are not the first country to be doing this, that, I think, 54 countries have now introduced the legislation to remove the defence of reasonable punishment. We have actually got Ireland very close to us, who have removed it; Scotland are in the process of removing it. So it's not something we're doing that is unique, or odd, or strange. It is a natural progression from the legislation that has already taken place to stop hitting in schools - physical punishment in schools - to stop foster parents, and this is a gradual progression. So, I don't think it is such an unusual thing as you suggest that we're doing. You talked about the issues that we'll be facing - health visitors and social workers, and people at the grass roots who are dealing with all these issues. This legislation is strongly supported by health visitors, overwhelmingly supported by social workers, and they want to see it enacted. Because they know that there is a clear message then, when they are working with parents, to help them with the very difficult job of parenting. Because I think we all have to acknowledge that it is very hard to be a parent. I've been a parent, I'm a grandparent now, and I know how difficult it is to bring up children. And it is important for the health visitors and social workers, and everyone who's working with children, that they're quite clear in where they stand. And having this defence, it makes it difficult for them, because they want to encourage positive parenting - as I know we all do - but it is difficult when you have that defence there, which does give the implication that physical punishment is acceptable. And so all those people who are working at the grass roots are very, very supportive of this legislation, and, in fact, have lobbied us to do this legislation. So I think it's very important that we remember that. What we are actually doing is bringing the law of physical punishment, that is the definition - a physical punishment, which is more than smacking or hitting. It is a lot of other things as well. It's the physical punishment. But I accept what she says that there are other things that are damaging to children. I look forward to working with her on the committee, when I'm sure we can discuss all these other issues, because to me it's very important in this Committee Stage that we do discuss the issues that are concerning people and the issues that will be brought up, I've no doubt, in the Committee Stage from the public and which have already started as a result of the publicity of the Bill. But I have been very pleased at the amount of support there is for the Bill so far.
Welsh: Diolch i chi, Janet Finch-Saunders, am eich cyfraniad i'r ddadl. Rydych chi wedi codi llawer o bwyntiau yn yr hyn yr oeddech chi'n ei ddweud; hoffwn innau wneud ychydig o sylwadau wrth ymateb. Yn gyntaf oll, rwyf i o'r farn ei bod yn bwysig cofio nad ni yw'r wlad gyntaf i wneud hyn, bod 54 o wledydd, rwy'n credu, wedi cyflwyno deddfwriaeth erbyn hyn i gael gwared ar yr amddiffyniad o gosb resymol. Mae Iwerddon yn agos iawn atom, sydd wedi ei ddiddymu; mae'r Alban yn y broses o'i ddiddymu. Felly nid rhywbeth unigryw neu ryfedd yw hyn. Dilyniant naturiol ydyw o'r ddeddfwriaeth sydd eisoes wedi digwydd i ddileu taro mewn ysgolion - cosb gorfforol mewn ysgolion - i atal rhieni maeth, a dilyniant graddol yw hwn. Felly, nid wyf i'n credu ei fod yn beth mor anarferol ag yr awgrymwch chi. Roeddech chi'n sôn am y problemau y byddwn yn eu hwynebu - ymwelwyr iechyd a gweithwyr cymdeithasol, a phobl ar lawr gwlad sy'n ymdrin â'r materion hyn i gyd. Mae cefnogaeth gref i'r ddeddfwriaeth hon gan ymwelwyr iechyd, a chefnogaeth gan y mwyafrif llethol o weithwyr cymdeithasol, ac maen nhw'n awyddus i'w gweld yn dod i rym. Oherwydd maen nhw'n gwybod bod yna neges glir wedyn, pan fyddan nhw'n gweithio gyda rhieni i'w helpu gyda gwaith anodd iawn rhianta. Credaf fod yn rhaid inni gydnabod mai peth anodd iawn yw bod yn rhiant. Rwyf i wedi bod yn rhiant, ar rwyf i'n fam-gu erbyn hyn, ac rwy'n gwybod pa mor anodd yw magu plant. Ac mae'n bwysig i ymwelwyr iechyd a gweithwyr cymdeithasol, a phawb sy'n gweithio gyda phlant, eu bod nhw'n gwbl glir o ran lle maen nhw'n sefyll. Ac wrth gael yr amddiffyniad hwn, mae'n ei gwneud yn anodd iddyn nhw, oherwydd maen nhw eisiau annog rhianta cadarnhaol - fel y gwn y mae pawb - ond mae'n anodd pan fydd gennych chi'r amddiffyniad hwn yno, sydd yn rhoi awgrym fod cosb gorfforol yn dderbyniol. Ac felly mae'r bobl hynny sy'n gweithio ar lawr gwlad i gyd yn gefnogol iawn, iawn i'r ddeddfwriaeth hon, ac, yn wir, wedi bod yn ein lobïo ni am y ddeddfwriaeth hon. Felly, rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig iawn inni gofio hynny. Yr hyn yr ydym ni'n ei wneud mewn gwirionedd yw cyflwyno cyfraith ar gosb gorfforol, dyna'r diffiniad - cosb gorfforol, sy'n fwy na tharo neu bwnio. Mae'n golygu llawer o bethau eraill hefyd. Mae'n gosb gorfforol. Ond rwy'n derbyn yr hyn y mae hi'n ei ddweud fod yna bethau eraill sy'n niweidiol i blant. Rwy'n edrych ymlaen at weithio gyda hi ar y pwyllgor, pan fyddwn ni'n siŵr o drafod yr holl faterion eraill hyn. Oherwydd i mi, mae'n bwysig iawn ein bod ni'n trafod y materion, yn y Cyfnod Pwyllgor hwn, sy'n peri gofid i bobl, a'r materion a gaiff eu codi, yn ddiamau, yn y Cyfnod Pwyllgor gan y cyhoedd ac sydd eisoes wedi dechrau o ganlyniad i gyhoeddusrwydd i'r Bil. Ond rwyf i wedi fy mhlesio'n fawr iawn gan y gefnogaeth sydd i'r Bil hyd yn hyn.