English: Can I assure you that it causes no pleasure to this side of the Assembly to have to highlight these controversies and note the issues that have restricted NRW since its creation? Because the body's role is critical and its purpose is crucial for the effective management and sustainability of our natural environment here in Wales. Back in 2011, when details of the planned merger of the Countryside Council for Wales, the Environment Agency and the Forestry Commission were first announced, the environment Minister said that the move would ensure more sustainable and effective management of our natural resources, and that really has to be held as the guiding principle when we scrutinise the actual performance. As I've said before - I'm not quite sure if I said it at the time, but I certainly said it when I was on the climate change committee - three into one was never going to be easy. It was always a challenging situation for the management team at NRW, and, as we have heard, there was also change in leadership. I did try to give praise where it was due. The staff survey that we've referred to was actually an excellent device and a really rigorous survey. And to have done that at a time when you were merging organisations, and there were inevitably people that felt slightly bruised in that process, I thought did show leadership. But I think it's been some of the other more general issues that have, perhaps, undermined our faith that they were really moving on, and the issues relating to forestry in particular have been grave because they've been repeated. Let's not forget that this wasn't a one-off; it happened again. And I do think the Welsh Government has to take more responsibility. It's an arm's-length organisation and, I have to concede, the Government would be unduly criticised if it was interfering too much, but you do need to show leadership, and you are prepared to do that on certain occasions, like issues that are of public concern, as the shooting ban perhaps indicates. So, I do think that the organisation needs clear direction of travel from the Welsh Government. We've also heard that, from the very start, the Welsh Government was warned about these challenges of creating a new organisation. And so the change management, one has to say, has not been exemplary, to put it at its mildest. And I do think that if more care had been paid at the time when these things were mooted, then I think that some of these issues, certainly the need for a real robust commercial management capacity in the new organisation, would have probably been factored in from the very start, had you reflected on the criticisms that people were making of the original business plan. I will give way.
Welsh: A gaf fi eich sicrhau nad yw'n rhoi unrhyw bleser i'r ochr hon i'r Cynulliad orfod tynnu sylw at y materion dadleuol hyn a nodi'r materion sydd wedi cyfyngu ar Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru ers ei greu? Oherwydd mae rôl y corff yn hollbwysig ac mae ei ddiben yn hanfodol ar gyfer rheoli ein hamgylchedd naturiol yn effeithiol ac yn gynaliadwy yma yng Nghymru. Yn ôl yn 2011, pan gyhoeddwyd y manylion ynglŷn â'r bwriad i uno Cyngor Cefn Gwlad Cymru, Asiantaeth yr Amgylchedd a'r Comisiwn Coedwigaeth am y tro cyntaf, dywedodd Gweinidog yr amgylchedd y byddai'r newid yn sicrhau rheolaeth fwy cynaliadwy ac effeithiol ar ein hadnoddau naturiol, ac mae'n rhaid gwneud honno'n egwyddor arweiniol pan fyddwn yn craffu ar y perfformiad go iawn. Fel y dywedais o'r blaen - nid wyf yn hollol siŵr a ddywedais hynny ar y pryd, ond yn sicr fe'i dywedais pan oeddwn yn aelod o'r pwyllgor newid hinsawdd - nid oedd gwneud tri yn un byth yn mynd i fod yn hawdd. Roedd hi'n mynd i fod yn sefyllfa heriol i'r tîm rheoli yn Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru, ac fel y clywsom, cafwyd newid yn yr arweinyddiaeth hefyd. Ceisiais roi canmoliaeth lle roedd yn ddyledus. Roedd yr arolwg staff y cyfeiriwyd ato yn ddyfais ragorol mewn gwirionedd ac yn arolwg gwirioneddol drwyadl. A chredwn fod gwneud hynny ar adeg pan oeddech yn uno sefydliadau, a phan oedd hi'n anochel fod pobl yn teimlo eu bod wedi'u cleisio rywfaint yn y broses honno, yn dangos arweiniad. Ond rwy'n credu mai rhai o'r problemau mwy cyffredinol eraill efallai sydd wedi tanseilio ein hyder eu bod yn symud ymlaen mewn gwirionedd, ac mae'r problemau sy'n ymwneud â choedwigaeth yn benodol wedi bod yn ddifrifol oherwydd eu bod wedi'u hailadrodd. Gadewch inni beidio ag anghofio nad un digwyddiad ydoedd; fe ddigwyddodd eto. Ac rwy'n credu bod rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru ysgwyddo mwy o gyfrifoldeb. Mae'n sefydliad hyd braich ac mae'n rhaid imi gyfaddef, byddai'r Llywodraeth yn cael ei beirniadu'n annheg pe bai'n ymyrryd gormod, ond mae angen i chi ddangos arweiniad, ac rydych yn barod i wneud hynny ar rai adegau, fel gyda materion sy'n peri pryder i'r cyhoedd, fel y dengys y gwaharddiad ar saethu o bosibl. Felly, rwy'n credu bod y sefydliad angen cyfeiriad teithio clir gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Hefyd clywsom o'r cychwyn cyntaf fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi cael rhybudd ynglŷn â'r heriau a oedd ynghlwm wrth greu sefydliad newydd. Ac felly rhaid dweud nad yw'r broses o newid rheolwyr wedi bod yn rhagorol, i'w roi yn y termau mwyaf caredig. A phe bai mwy o ofal wedi'i roi ar yr adeg pan gafodd y pethau hyn eu crybwyll, credaf y byddai rhai o'r problemau, yn sicr yr angen am gapasiti rheoli masnachol gwirioneddol gadarn yn y sefydliad newydd, wedi cael eu hystyried o'r cychwyn cyntaf yn ôl pob tebyg, pe baech wedi ystyried y ffordd roedd pobl yn beirniadu'r cynllun busnes gwreiddiol. Fe ildiaf.