English: You said that this is the beginning of a long journey, and the truth is that it does note that this is the beginning of a journey, but this is the beginning of the journey seven years ago. It isn't responding to where we should have reached now. It takes us back quite a bit. But what is missing from these regulations, and from standards relating to the health sector more generally, is that face-to-face contact. Of course we welcome the fact that leaflets should be available bilingually. There is some confusion as to who provides those materials, and that's problematic for a service user, because you could go into your surgery and receive a leaflet from the surgery, from the health service, from various organisations and associations, and your rights can change five or six times within one visit to a surgery. And that's not acceptable from a patient perspective. It's hugely confusing for a patient. But, yes, it's that face-to-face contact; it's crucial. How many Welsh speakers go into a surgery or any other service and say, 'Oh, thank goodness, they speak Welsh'? And that speaks volumes, because it demonstrates that there is additional pressure in thinking of going somewhere and having to communicate how you feel, not just in your second language, but research also shows that if the second language oppresses your first language, then there is an additional barrier placed between you and that language because there are other psychological factors at play. So, the standards and these regulations aren't going to change our lives as they should. They don't provide added value for Welsh speakers and the people of Wales, and, therefore, it means that the health service isn't doing its work properly, because, in accepting that the Welsh language is not a bolt-on, but that it is a core part of the service - . There is a doctor on our health sub-group saying that doctors should be working more towards treating people holistically, and this is what this is about. Language - . We become who we are through language. That's how we understand ourselves, through our speech as children. And in not providing any rights to deal with your doctor or dentist face to face, then that really doesn't change things in Wales at all. I'm sure you will have read 'My Language, My Health', and the stories of children going to the dentist and not being able to communicate. My two-year-old child had a hearing test from someone who couldn't speak his language in his own country. And that's an important point. It's not like you're in another country; you'd accept it then, but in your own nation. What kind of far-reaching impacts can that have? So, that is the purpose of 7 and 8. We had to note that. We can't just - . Of course, communication along the whole journey is important, but what's really going to make a difference isn't mentioned at all in these regulations.
Welsh: Gwnaethoch chi ddweud hwnna - dechrau taith hir - a'r gwir amdani yw, mae yn nodi mai dyma ddechrau'r daith, ond dechrau'r daith saith mlynedd yn ôl yw hwn. Dyw e ddim yn ateb lle dylen ni fod wedi cyrraedd erbyn hyn o gwbl. Mae'n mynd â ni nôl eithaf llawer. Ond beth sydd, wrth gwrs, ar goll o'r rheoliadau hyn, ac o'r safonau yn ymwneud â'r sector iechyd yn gyffredinol, yw'r ymwneud wyneb yn wyneb yna. Wrth gwrs ein bod ni'n croesawu bod angen taflenni yn Gymraeg. Mae yna gymysgwch fan hyn ynglŷn â phwy sy'n darparu taflenni ac mae hwnna'n broblematig i ddefnyddwyr y gwasanaeth, achos gallech chi fynd mewn i'ch meddygfa, cael taflen gan y feddygfa, gan y gwasanaeth iechyd, gan gymdeithasau gwahanol, ac mae'ch hawliau chi'n newid - gallent newid tua phum, chwe gwaith o fewn un ymweliad â'r feddygfa. Dyw hwnna ddim yn dderbyniol o ochr y claf. Mae'n gymysglyd iawn i glaf. Ond, ie, yr ymwneud wyneb yn wyneb yna; mae'n hanfodol. Faint o Gymry Cymraeg sydd yn mynd mewn i feddygfa neu i unrhyw fath o wasanaeth ac yn mynd, 'O, maen nhw'n siarad Cymraeg'? Ac mae hwnna yn dweud cyfrolau, achos mae'n dangos bod straen ychwanegol wrth feddwl am fynd i rywle a gorfod cyfathrebu sut rŷch chi'n teimlo, nid dim ond yn eich ail iaith, ond mae ymchwil hefyd yn dangos os yw'r ail iaith yn gormesu'ch iaith gyntaf chi, yna mae yna waliau ychwanegol yn cael eu codi rhyngoch chi â'r iaith honno achos mae yna gysylltiadau seicolegol eraill. Felly, dyw'r safonau na'r rheoliadau hyn ddim yn mynd i newid ein bywydau ni fel y dylen nhw. Dŷn nhw ddim yn dod â gwerth ychwanegol i siaradwyr Cymraeg ac i bobl Cymru, ac felly mae'n golygu bod y gwasanaeth iechyd ddim yn gwneud ei waith yn iawn, achos o dderbyn nad atodiad yw'r iaith Gymraeg, ond bod e'n greiddiol i'r gwasanaeth - . Mae nifer o feddygon - . Mae meddyg ar ein his-grŵp iechyd ni yn dweud ei bod hi'n bwysig bod meddygon yn gweithio mwy tuag at drin person yn holistig, a dyma yw e. Mae iaith - . Rŷn ni'n dod yn pwy ŷn ni drwy iaith - dyna sut rŷn ni'n dod i wybod pwy ŷn ni wrth ein parabl ni yn blant. Ac o ddim rhoi unrhyw hawliau i ymdrin â'ch meddyg neu'ch deintydd wyneb yn wyneb, dyw hwnna ddim mewn gwirionedd yn newid pethau yng Nghymru. Rŷch chi siŵr o fod wedi darllen 'Fy Iaith, Fy Iechyd' a storïau eraill sydd wedi bod am blant yn mynd at y deintydd a ddim yn gallu cyfathrebu. Fy mhlentyn i, yn ddwy flwydd oed, yn cael prawf clyw gan rywun oedd ddim yn medru'r un iaith ag e yn ei wlad ei hun. Ac mae hwnna'n bwynt. Dyw e ddim fel tasech chi mewn gwlad arall a chi'n deall wedyn. Ond yn eich gwlad eich hun. Pa fath o effeithiau pellgyrhaeddol mae hynny yn ei gael? Felly, dyna bwrpas 7 ac 8. Roedd yn rhaid nodi hynny. Ni ffaelu jest mynd am - . Wrth gwrs bod y papur a'r cyfathrebu yr holl ffordd yn bwysig, ond mae beth sydd wir yn mynd i wneud gwahaniaeth ddim yn cael ei sôn amdano o gwbl yn y rheoliadau.