English: I'm very grateful to my good friend from across the Chamber, James Evans, for tabling today's debate, and I genuinely believe bus services are and public transport is part of the wider key pillar of the wider initiative to create the green new deal that we need to see and deliver and act upon here in Wales, and the motion itself is a good motion, but I think anyone with a cursory knowledge of the bus industry would actually recognise that the amendment from my colleague Alun Davies does make the motion so much stronger. And I do find myself, Deputy Presiding Officer, having to vote against a motion I co-tabled and support to actually vote for the amendment, to make the motion stronger and get to the heart of the problem here in Wales. And let's be clear: the amendment is about scrapping the 1985 Transport Act, and it's a piece of deregulation dogma, and it's a piece of deregulation dogma that does belong in the history bin, and it's time we take that action now. Llywydd, the 1985 Transport Act was the single worst moment for bus services across the United Kingdom, not just in Wales, but across the United Kingdom. And it does still regulate our industry in our country here today, and that's what we're setting out to talk about. And if we look at what the Act sets out to achieve, it sets out to achieve making profit the only reason - the only reason - a bus route should exist. And this means that we plan our bus network almost entirely around profitable routes. Members have suggested that councils do and they can subsidise routes, but this does come from dwindling council budgets and after years, and many years, of austerity, which perhaps we won't go into today. You can very much guess what happened there, and I do look back to that 1985 Act and the time then, and the concept of public good was so offensive to that Government, in my eyes, that they passed this law to outlaw such attempts to deliver public good. It was delivered on complicated mechanisms that we still see today. And I just want to bring up, Deputy Presiding Officer, the Member who tabled the motion rightly mentioned at the start we should seek to answer some of his questions, and I just wanted to go back: I do blame Margaret Thatcher and he will know I blame Margaret Thatcher for a lot of things, which I can't and don't have the time to go into today. But I tell the Member and I tell Members across the Chamber: I stand by my beliefs and so do many of my constituents. But if we look at the results of so many of her dreadful decisions, but certainly this dreadful decision, the nonsense behind it brought fewer services, poorer pay and conditions for our wonderful drivers, and less money to invest in new buses, buses that we've talked about, zero-emission buses, electric buses, that we all want to see in our communities from Blaenau Gwent to Alyn and Deeside. So, I do urge Members across the Chamber today who have a genuine interest in bus travel to vote for the amendment. Again, I commend the Member for Brecon and Radnorshire for tabling this motion today. But we cannot simply tolerate the situation we find ourselves in, so I do commend the motion, but I do call on Members from across political parties to recognise the importance of the motion, recognise the importance of the amended motion and vote for that amended motion when it comes to voting time later today. Diolch yn fawr.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i fy nghyfaill ar yr ochr arall i'r Siambr, James Evans, am gyflwyno'r ddadl heddiw, a chredaf yn wirioneddol fod gwasanaethau bws a thrafnidiaeth gyhoeddus yn rhan o biler allweddol ehangach y fenter ehangach i greu'r fargen newydd werdd y mae angen inni ei gweld a'i chyflawni a'i gweithredu yma yng Nghymru, ac mae'r cynnig ei hun yn gynnig da, ond credaf y byddai unrhyw un sydd â rhywfaint o wybodaeth am y diwydiant bysiau yn cydnabod bod y gwelliant gan fy nghyd-Aelod, Alun Davies, yn gwneud y cynnig gymaint yn gryfach. Ac rwyf mewn sefyllfa, Ddirprwy Lywydd, lle rwy'n gorfod pleidleisio yn erbyn cynnig a gyd-gyflwynwyd gennyf, ac un rwy'n ei gefnogi, a phleidleisio dros y gwelliant mewn gwirionedd, i wneud y cynnig yn gryfach a chyrraedd calon y broblem yma yng Nghymru. A gadewch inni fod yn glir: mae'r gwelliant yn ymwneud â dileu Deddf Trafnidiaeth 1985, sy'n rhan o ddogma dadreoleiddio, ac mae'n rhan o ddogma dadreoleiddio sy'n perthyn i fin hanes, ac mae'n bryd inni gymryd y camau hynny'n awr. Lywydd, Deddf Trafnidiaeth 1985 oedd y foment waethaf un i wasanaethau bysiau ledled y Deyrnas Unedig, nid yn unig yng Nghymru, ond ar draws y Deyrnas Unedig. Ac mae'n dal i reoleiddio ein diwydiant yn ein gwlad yma heddiw, a dyna rydym yn sôn amdano. Ac os edrychwn ar yr hyn y mae'r Ddeddf wedi ei chynllunio i'w gyflawni, mae'n ceisio sicrhau mai gwneud elw yw'r unig reswm - yr unig reswm - y dylai llwybr bws fodoli. A golyga hyn ein bod yn cynllunio ein rhwydwaith bysiau bron yn gyfan gwbl o amgylch llwybrau proffidiol. Mae Aelodau wedi awgrymu bod cynghorau'n gallu rhoi cymhorthdal i lwybrau, ac maent yn gwneud hynny, ond daw hyn o gyllidebau sy'n crebachu ac ar ôl blynyddoedd lawer o gyni, nad awn i'w drafod heddiw. Gallwch ddyfalu beth a ddigwyddodd, ac edrychaf yn ôl at Ddeddf 1985 a'r amser hwnnw, ac roedd y cysyniad o les cyhoeddus mor sarhaus i'r Llywodraeth honno yn fy marn i fel eu bod wedi pasio'r ddeddf hon i wahardd ymdrechion o'r fath i sicrhau lles y cyhoedd. Fe'i cyflwynwyd ar fecanweithiau cymhleth rydym yn dal i'w gweld heddiw. Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwyf am grybwyll bod yr Aelod a gyflwynodd y cynnig wedi dweud yn gywir ar y dechrau y dylem geisio ateb rhai o'i gwestiynau, ac roeddwn am fynd yn ôl: rwy'n beio Margaret Thatcher a bydd yn gwybod fy mod yn beio Margaret Thatcher am lawer o bethau, na allaf ac nad oes gennyf amser i fynd i'w trafod heddiw. Ond dywedaf wrth yr Aelod a dywedaf wrth yr Aelodau ar draws y Siambr: rwy'n sefyll wrth fy nghredoau fel y mae llawer o fy etholwyr yn ei wneud. Ond os edrychwn ar ganlyniadau cynifer o'i phenderfyniadau ofnadwy, ond yn sicr y penderfyniad ofnadwy hwn, arweiniodd y nonsens a oedd yn sail iddo at lai o wasanaethau, tâl ac amodau gwaeth i'n gyrwyr gwych, a llai o arian i fuddsoddi mewn bysiau newydd, bysiau rydym wedi sôn amdanynt, bysiau dim allyriadau, bysiau trydan, fel rydym i gyd am eu gweld yn ein cymunedau o Flaenau Gwent i Alun a Glannau Dyfrdwy. Felly, rwy'n annog yr Aelodau ar draws y Siambr heddiw sydd â diddordeb go iawn mewn trafnidiaeth bysiau i bleidleisio dros y gwelliant. Unwaith eto, cymeradwyaf yr Aelod dros Frycheiniog a Sir Faesyfed am gyflwyno'r cynnig hwn heddiw. Ond rhaid inni wneud mwy na dioddef y sefyllfa rydym ynddi, felly cymeradwyaf y cynnig, ond galwaf ar Aelodau o bob plaid wleidyddol i gydnabod pwysigrwydd y cynnig, cydnabod pwysigrwydd y cynnig diwygiedig a phleidleisio dros y cynnig diwygiedig pan ddaw'n amser i bleidleisio yn ddiweddarach heddiw. Diolch yn fawr.