English: I think my amendment is clearer, because it makes it clearer in law that ' Senedd Cymru ' means 'Welsh Parliament'. I accept Rhun's comment, namely that there is some sort of informal convention where people would understand that a 'Parliament for Wales', as it's described in his amendment, is what the Senedd is, and that is true of the amendment. But for me, it's crucially important to have an amendment such as amendment 85 that makes it clear in law that ' Senedd Cymru ' is 'Welsh Parliament'. There can be no argument about the terminology then, but, of course, if we look through 87 to 94, those amendments, it's clear that the word 'Senedd' will be the main word used in describing this institution. And it does concern me that, in moving from one title that people didn't quite understand to another that many people wouldn't quite understand - that it's slightly early to go that far. Maybe, in years to come, 'Senedd' will be very common indeed, and I would be perfectly happy to see that, but, in the meantime, I think it is important that people understand that this is the 'Senedd' but it's also the 'Welsh Parliament'. Because, for many people, they understand the word 'parliament' better than they understand the word ' sene dd ' at the moment. Having said that, we're not very far apart at all. I have to say that. And, in a way, Members will have to make their own minds up, of course. May I say before concluding that these amendments reflect the views of the majority of Labour Members here - not the majority, perhaps, but the largest number, rather? And it is important that Members have an opportunity to consider these amendments and express their views. There is no whip applied, of course, and that's clear, because some of my colleagues have supported amendments tabled by other parties and have tabled amendments of their own. [ Interruption.] And here's one of them now to speak.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu bod fy ngwelliant i yn gliriach, achos y ffaith ei fod e'n gwneud yn glir yn y gyfraith fod 'Senedd Cymru' yn meddwl ' Welsh Parliament '. Nawr, rwy'n derbyn beth mae Rhun yn ddweud, sef bod yna ryw fath o gonfensiwn anffurfiol lle byddai pobl yn deall taw ' Parliament for Wales ', fel mae e'n ei ddweud e, yw'r Senedd, ac mae'n dweud bod hynny'n wir o'r gwelliant. Ond i fi, mae'n hollbwysig cael gwelliant fel gwelliant 85 sydd yn ei wneud e'n glir yn y gyfraith mai 'Senedd Cymru' yw 'Welsh Parliament'. Does dim coethan wedyn ynglŷn â'r term, ond, wrth gwrs, os edrychwn ni o 87 ymlaen i 94, y gwelliannau hynny, mae'n amlwg taw'r gair 'Senedd' fydd y prif air fydd yn cael ei ddefnyddio ynglŷn â disgrifio'r sefydliad hwn. Ac mae fe yn fy mhryderu i bod pobl, o fynd o un teitl doedd pobl ddim cweit yn deall i deitl arall fyddai llawer o bobl ddim cweit yn deall - ei fod e tipyn bach yn gynnar i fynd mor bell a hynna. Efallai, mewn blynyddoedd, bydd 'Senedd' yn rhywbeth sy'n hollol gyffredin, ac, wrth gwrs, byddwn i'n ddigon hapus i weld hynny, ond, yn y cyfamser, rwy'n credu ei fod e'n bwysig bod pobl yn deall taw hwn yw'r 'Senedd', wrth gwrs, ond hwn yw ' Welsh Parliament ', achos, i lot o bobl - maen nhw'n deall y gair 'parliament' yn well na 'senedd', yn enwedig ar hyn o bryd. Wrth ddweud hynny, dydyn ni ddim yn bell o'n gilydd. Mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud hynny. Ac, mewn ffordd, mae Aelodau'n gorfod gwneud eu meddyliau lan, wrth gwrs. Gaf i ddweud, cyn eistedd, fod y gwelliannau hyn yn adlewyrchu barn y nifer mwyaf o Aelodau Llafur y lle yma - nid y mwyafrif, ond y nifer mwyaf? So, mae fe'n bwysig bod yna gyfle i Aelodau ystyried y gwelliannau hyn er mwyn mynegi barn. Does yna ddim chwip, wrth gwrs, ac mae hwnna'n hollol amlwg achos mae rhai o fy nghymdogion i wedi cefnogi gwelliannau o bleidiau eraill ac, wrth gwrs, wedi dodi gwelliannau ymlaen - [ Torri ar draws.] A dyma un ohonyn nhw nawr yn moyn siarad.