English: I thank the Minister for his answer although, of course, I wouldn't particularly agree with his conclusions. Yesterday evening, Minister, I had a very interesting conversation with an Italian bartender. [ Interruption.] I shall say at this moment that I was quite sober when I had this conversation - well, at least I wasn't inebriated. But having holidayed many times and being a lover of the Italian way of life, I expressed my surprise at the fact that, for a country that always seemed in economic turmoil, no more so than now, the way of life seemed far superior to that enjoyed in the UK. I was extremely surprised by his answer, Minister. He told me that far from being a contented and happy population, there was a huge underbelly of discontent, based mainly on a lack of well-paid jobs and commercial opportunity. This contrasted with the UK where, when he arrived some five years earlier, he said he could not believe the job opportunities and pay levels enjoyed by most of the population. He was talking here of Wales, actually, Minister. By the way, having looked at the continued residency regulations, he had no fears about deportation. He went on to say that a growing number of Italians were completely disillusioned with the EU, and applauded the UK's Brexit vote. They now saw the EU as a stifling influence on the Italian economy and resented the EU's political interventions in the country's affairs. Whilst I acknowledge that this is just one individual's opinion and experience, does the Minister not think it is time we cut the shackles of the Brussels political ambitions and looked out to a world of high economic growth, where some countries' growth levels are five times that of the EU, and where we already enjoy £300 billion-worth of exports?
Welsh: Diolch i'r Gweinidog am ei ateb er na fuaswn, wrth gwrs, yn cytuno â'i gasgliadau fel y cyfryw. Neithiwr, Weinidog, cefais sgwrs ddiddorol iawn gyda barman o'r Eidal. [ Torri ar draws. ] Dylwn ddweud fy mod yn eithaf sobr pan gefais y sgwrs hon - wel, nid oeddwn wedi meddwi, o leiaf. Ond a minnau wedi bod ar wyliau yno sawl gwaith a'n hoff o ffordd o fyw yr Eidal, mynegais syndod at y ffaith, am wlad sydd i'w gweld bob amser mewn helynt economaidd, yn enwedig ar hyn o bryd, fod eu ffordd o fyw'n edrych yn llawer gwell na'r hyn sydd gennym yn y DU. Cefais fy synnu'n fawr gan ei ateb, Weinidog. Dywedodd wrthyf, ymhell o fod yn boblogaeth hapus a bodlon, fod yno gryn dipyn o anfodlonrwydd, yn bennaf oherwydd diffyg swyddi â chyflog da a chyfleoedd masnachol. Roedd hyn yn cyferbynnu â'r DU lle y dywedodd na allai gredu, pan gyrhaeddodd yma tua phum mlynedd yn ôl, y cyfleoedd gwaith a'r lefelau cyflog roedd mwyafrif y boblogaeth yn eu mwynhau. Roedd yn siarad yma am Gymru, mewn gwirionedd, Weinidog. Gyda llaw, ar ôl edrych ar y rheoliadau preswylio parhaus, nid oedd ganddo unrhyw ofnau ynghylch allgludo. Aeth yn ei flaen i ddweud bod nifer cynyddol o Eidalwyr yn siomedig iawn gyda'r UE, ac yn cymeradwyo pleidlais Brexit y DU. Maent bellach yn ystyried yr UE yn ddylanwad cyfyngol ar economi'r Eidal ac yn casáu ymyriadau gwleidyddol yr UE ym materion y wlad. Er fy mod yn cydnabod mai barn a phrofiad un unigolyn yn unig yw hyn, onid yw'r Gweinidog yn credu ei bod yn bryd inni dorri'n rhydd o hualau uchelgeisiau gwleidyddol Brwsel ac edrych allan tuag at fyd o dwf economaidd uchel, lle mae lefelau twf rhai gwledydd bum gwaith yn uwch na'r UE, a lle rydym eisoes yn mwynhau gwerth £300 biliwn o allforion?