English: I don't dismiss the views of businesses, but I do dismiss the propaganda efforts of the Welsh Conservative Party, and we've just had another effort at it again. I certainly will not - [ Interruption.] I certainly will not give you an undertaking that we will match what happens elsewhere in the United Kingdom, because that would mean that thousands and thousands of pounds would no longer be available to Welsh businesses. In Wales, a 10-employee hospitality business with a rateable value of £25,000 will have been eligible for more than £52,000 since December; the equivalent business in England would have received £26,000. So, if I were to match the offer in England, as the Member asks me to, I would be taking £26,000 back from that business. He says to me that gyms will get £18,000; what percentage of businesses in England does he think get £18,000? I don't suppose he knows. It's 2 per cent. Two per cent of businesses get £18,000, and 98 per cent of businesses get nothing like it. When we are making comparisons, there is no point in the Member cherry-picking figures and then applying them in a way that simply would not operate in the real world. I certainly don't agree with him about criteria. We are giving out major sums of public money - major. Millions and millions of pounds of public money going to businesses, as we wanted to do. But his party would be the first to complain if we were not doing that in a way that could demonstrate that those were real business, that they were entitled to that help and that the public money was being spent in a way that was defensible. That's what the criteria are there for. They're not to make it difficult for businesses to get the help they want; they are there to make sure that, here in Wales, when businesses get money from the taxpayer, that money goes to the right place and goes in a way that is defensible.
Welsh: Nid wyf i'n diystyru barn busnesau, ond rwyf i yn diystyru ymdrechion propaganda Plaid Geidwadol Cymru, a dyma ymdrech arall arni unwaith eto yn awr. Yn sicr, ni fyddaf i - [ Torri ar draws.] Yn sicr, ni fyddaf i'n rhoi addewid i chi y byddwn yn cyd-weddu â'r hyn sy'n digwydd mewn mannau eraill yn y Deyrnas Unedig, oherwydd byddai hynny'n golygu y byddai miloedd ar filoedd o bunnoedd na fyddai ar gael i fusnesau Cymru mwyach. Yng Nghymru, bydd busnes lletygarwch sydd â 10 o weithwyr ac sydd â gwerth ardrethol o £25,000 wedi bod yn gymwys i gael mwy na £52,000 ers mis Rhagfyr; byddai busnes cyfatebol yn Lloegr wedi cael £26,000. Felly, pe byddwn yn cyd-weddu â'r cynnig yn Lloegr, fel y mae'r Aelod yn gofyn i mi ei wneud, byddwn yn rhoi £26,000 i'r busnes hwnnw. Mae e'n dweud wrthyf i y bydd campfeydd yn cael £18,000; pa ganran o fusnesau yn Lloegr y mae e'n ei gredu sy'n cael £18,000? Nid wyf yn credu ei fod yn gwybod. Dau y cant ydyw. Dau y cant o fusnesau sy'n cael £18,000, ac mae 98 y cant o fusnesau nad ydyn nhw'n cael dim byd tebyg i hynny. Wrth wneud cymariaethau, nid oes pwynt i'r Aelod ddewis a dethol y ffigurau ac yna eu cymhwyso mewn ffordd na fyddai'n gweithredu yn y byd go iawn. Yn sicr, nid wyf i'n cytuno ag ef ynglŷn â'r meini prawf. Rydym ni'n dyrannu symiau anferth o arian cyhoeddus - anferth. Mae miliynau ar filiynau o bunnoedd o arian cyhoeddus yn mynd i fusnesau, fel yr oeddem ni'n awyddus i'w wneud. Ond ei blaid ef fyddai'r gyntaf i gwyno pe na byddem ni'n gwneud hynny mewn modd a allai ddangos bod y busnesau hynny yn rhai go iawn, bod ganddyn nhw hawl i'r cymorth hwnnw a bod yr arian cyhoeddus yn cael ei wario mewn ffordd yr oedd modd ei gyfiawnhau. Dyna ddiben y meini prawf. Nid yw'n fwriad iddynt ei gwneud yn anodd i fusnesau gael y cymorth y maen nhw'n dymuno ei gael; maen nhw yno i sicrhau, yma yng Nghymru, pan fydd busnesau'n cael arian gan y trethdalwr, bod yr arian hwnnw yn mynd i'r lle iawn ac yn mynd mewn modd y gellir ei gyfiawnhau.