techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Thank you very much, Chair. Good afternoon to all three of you. Before I ask a few questions on digital platforms and so on, can I ask you this in Ceredigion, and can I also congratulate you for the work that you have been doing - ? I was very pleased that Anglesey council, whom I've been in very close contact with, have been in touch with you over many weeks. But did you look at the rest of Wales and think, 'Well, why isn't everyone else doing what we're doing?'
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Gadeirydd. Prynhawn da i'r tri ohonoch chi. Cyn imi ofyn cwpl o gwestiynau ynglŷn â phlatfformau digidol ac yn y blaen, a allai ofyn hyn i chi yng Ngheredigion yn gyntaf, a'ch llongyfarch chi hefyd am y gwaith dŷch chi wedi bod yn ei wneud - ? Roeddwn yn falch iawn bod cyngor Ynys Môn - dwi wedi bod mewn cyswllt agos iawn efo nhw - yn cysylltu efo chi ers wythnosau lawer, felly mae hynny'n dda. Ond oeddech chi yn edrych ar weddill Cymru ac yn meddwl, 'Pam fod pawb arall ddim yn gwneud beth dŷn ni'n ei wneud?'
English: Well, as I said at the very outset, I think that what we looked at was - . As a team, we work very closely, and it did cause us great concern when we saw the initial statistics. We, as a team, also kept a close eye on the patterns emerging across the continent, and we saw the impact that it was having on care homes in Spain and Italy. We discussed that at a very early point in the process. In fairness, I wouldn't want to suggest for one moment that Ceredigion had acted very differently to any other authority, but just that these were the things that were concerning to us at the time, and frightening to us, and we felt that we did have to respond quickly to them. The advantages we had along the journey, when we were having these conversations on a daily basis with the team - we did have different expertise around the table, and that was a strength for us. Barry has a scientific background, and when Barry suggested a contact-tracing system, then that was enhanced by the fact that we had people from other services with different skill sets who could support that suggestion. So, it wasn't a matter of comparing with the rest of Wales. I think that we considered the impact of the virus across Europe. That was our approach.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu, fel y dywedais i reit ar y cychwyn cyntaf, beth edrychon ni arno oedd - . Fel tîm, rŷn ni'n gweithio'n agos iawn at ein gilydd, ac fe gododd e bach o fraw arnon ni, pan welon ni'r ystadegau cychwynnol. Fe fuon ni hefyd, fel tîm, yn cadw golwg ar beth oedd yn digwydd, a'r patrwm oedd yn digwydd, ar draws y cyfandir. Pan welon ni'r effaith yr oedd hwn yn ei gael ar gartrefi gofal, er enghraifft, yn Sbaen a'r Eidal, fe drafodon ni hynny yn gynnar iawn yn y broses. Mewn tegwch, bydden i ddim eisiau awgrymu am eiliad fod Ceredigion wedi gwneud gymaint yn wahanol nag unrhyw awdurdod arall, jest dyma'r pethau a oedd yn codi braw arnon ni ar y pryd, yn codi ofn arnon ni ar y pryd, ac roedden ni'n teimlo bod yn rhaid inni ymateb yn gyflym. Y manteision oedd gyda ni ar hyd y daith, pan oedden ni'n cael y sgyrsiau yma yn ddyddiol gyda'r tîm - roedd gyda ni arbenigeddau gwahanol rownd y ford. Mae cefndir gwyddonol gyda Barry, ac, wrth gwrs, pan ddywedodd Barry, 'Beth obeutu gwneud system olrhain?', lle cafodd hwnna ei gyfoethogi wedyn oedd bod gyda ni bobl o wasanaethau eraill â skill sets gwahanol a oedd yn gallu cefnogi'r awgrym yna. Felly, doedd e ddim yn fater o gymharu â gweddill Cymru. Dwi'n credu mai olrhain effaith y feirws ar draws Ewrop oedd y ffordd yr oedden ni'n edrych arni.
English: Every council could do that, of course, but the outcomes do speak for themselves. If I could return now to the questions on the technological side, it was very much paper-based, in terms of the tracing system in Ceredigion - there wasn't some huge digital innovation. But how important was that side of things in terms of ensuring that you did have a system that you could work with effectively digitally and so on?
Welsh: Mae pob cyngor yn gallu gwneud hynny, wrth gwrs, ond mae'r canlyniadau yn siarad drostyn nhw eu hunain. At y cwestiynau technegol, felly. Gwaith papur a phensel, i raddau helaeth, oedd y gwaith olrhain yr oeddech chi'n ei wneud yng Ngheredigion - doedd yna ddim arloesedd digidol mawr. Ond pa mor bwysig oedd yr ochr honno, i wneud yn siŵr bod gennych chi system yr oeddech yn gallu gweithio efo hi yn effeithiol yn ddigidol ac yn gyfrifiadurol ac ati?
English: Was the transfer to the national system, from your experience in Ceredigion, easy for you? We've heard Anglesey saying that they're still, because of problems, running the local and national side-by-side at the moment - belt and braces, therefore. What about you?
Welsh: A oedd trosi i'r un genedlaethol, o'ch profiad chi yng Ngheredigion, yn gyffredinol rwydd? Dŷn ni wedi clywed Ynys Môn yn dweud eu bod nhw'n dal, oherwydd problemau, yn rhedeg yr un lleol a'r un genedlaethol ochr yn ochr ar hyn o bryd - belt and braces, felly. Beth amdanoch chi?
English: I'm not very aware that we've reported the same kinds of problems that Anglesey talked about. So, moving from one process to the other was something - well, it is still live, it's still in its infancy at the moment. I haven't heard about any gremlins in the system as of yet, but I'm sure that will work its way through the system. I've not heard about the same concerns locally in Ceredigion that Annwen's mentioned about moving to the national system, but maybe I haven't had those conversations yet.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn ymwybodol iawn ein bod ni wedi adrodd ar yr un math o broblemau yr oedd Ynys Môn yn sôn amdanyn nhw. Felly, roedd y merger i symud draw o un broses i'r llall yn rhywbeth - wel, mae'n dal yn rhywbeth byw, rhywbeth yn ei fabandod yw e, a dweud y gwir. Dwi ddim wedi clywed am gremlins yn y system eto, ond, wrth gwrs, bydd hynny siŵr o fod yn dod lawr dwy'r system. Dwi ddim wedi clywed am yr un gofidiau yn lleol yng Ngheredigion o symud i'r system genedlaethol a beth mae Annwen wedi, ond efallai nad ydw i wedi cael y sgyrsiau yna eto.
English: Thank you very much. Yes, the system was to be operational on 8 June. It has not entirely been rolled out. I'll give you an example: the super-users, such as our project managers, can't have access to the system at the moment, and it's these people, of course, who provide that overview of everything that's happening. It's fine for the tracker and tracer to have access, but it's the project manager that needs also to have access. That isn't entirely operational as of yet. I don't doubt that we'll get over these problems, but it wasn't ready to go as a Rolls-Royce system on the eighth. It wasn't entirely operational at that point, and perhaps I should make that clear, Rhun.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Roedd y system yna i fod yn weithredol ar 8 Mehefin. Dydy hi ddim yn gwbl, gwbl weithredol. Fe rof i esiampl i chi: dydy'n uwch-ddefnyddwyr ni, fel ein project manager ni, ddim yn gallu cael mynediad i'r system, a'r bobl yma, wrth gwrs, sy'n rhoi'r trosolwg o bopeth sy'n digwydd. Mae'n iawn i'r tracker a'r tracer s gael mynediad, ond y project manager uwch eu pen nhw - pethau felly dwi'n sôn amdanynt nad ydynt yn gwbl, gwbl weithredol. Dwi ddim yn amau y down ni dros hyn, ond os oedd hi i fod yn barod i fynd fel Rolls-Royce ar yr wythfed, doedd hi ddim. Doedd hi ddim yn gwbl, gwbl weithredol, ac efallai bod eisiau gwneud hynny'n hollol, hollol glir, Rhun.
English: In terms of the data that's been produced through your systems, you mentioned - I think, Barry, it was you who mentioned - earlier that you had had to work with the information commissioner in order to ensure that you were complying with data legislation. Have there been any major data issues that have arisen in terms of storage, confidentiality, and in terms of sharing data with national systems?
Welsh: O ran y data sydd wedi cael ei gynhyrchu gan eich systemau chi, fe wnaethoch chi grybwyll - dwi'n meddwl mai chi wnaeth, Barry - yn gynharach eich bod chi wedi gorfod gweithio efo'r comisiynydd gwybodaeth ac ati i wneud yn siŵr eich bod chi'n cydymffurfio â deddfwriaeth data. Oes yna issues mawr data wedi codi wedyn o ran sut i'w gadw fo, cyfrinachedd, a rhannu hefyd, wrth gwrs, efo systemau cenedlaethol?
English: Getting the narrative clear at the beginning is very important. Talking about our process, first of all, we were using people's data in a way that was different to the way that we'd used data in the past. So, essentially, what we needed from colleagues in Hywel Dda was that we were using the data that they were essentially producing, by sending the information through the tarian system to us, and it was entirely clear that we were then doing work on their behalf - it was proxy medical work. So, it was a change in our role, to all intents and purposes, to a more medical, clinical role than it had been previously. So, we did have to have direction from our colleagues in Hywel Dda in adopting that approach. But what that did was to prompt a conversation, and the legislative background and the data protection issue was part of the conversation that was happening nationally too, so it was taken into account from the very outset. So, we were resolving this locally, but in so doing the national solution emerged, and then that was pushed down through Public Health Wales and the Welsh Government. That means for us that there is presumed consent within the process - we are doing something nationally on their behalf and with them. So, we are less concerned now that we are part of that national process in terms of data usage than we were at the outset and working alone.
Welsh: Rhaid cael y naratif yn glir ar y cychwyn. Oherwydd, i sôn am ein proses ni i ddechrau, mi oedd ein proses ni - mi oedden ni'n defnyddio data pobl mewn ffordd wahanol i'r hyn roedden ni wedi gwneud cyn hynny; mae hynny'n glir. Felly, yn y bôn, beth roedden ni ei angen wrth gyfeillion yn Hywel Dda oedd ein bod ni yn defnyddio data roedden nhw'n ei gynhyrchu, yn y bôn, trwy anfon y wybodaeth drwy'r system tarian aton ni, a'n bod ni'n hollol glir wedyn ein bod ni'n gwneud gwaith ar eu rhan nhw - gwaith proxy meddygol, a dweud y gwir, ar eu rhan nhw. So, newid ein rôl ni, i bob pwrpas, i rôl fwy meddygol, clinigol ac ati, nag oedd hi o'r blaen. Felly, roedd rhaid inni gael cyfarwyddyd gan ein cyfeillion ni yn Hywel Dda i wneud hynny. Ond beth wnaeth hynny ei wneud oedd ' prompt -io' sgwrs, a dweud y gwir, a bod y cefndir deddfwriaethol a diogelu gwybodaeth yn rhan o'r sgwrs oedd yn digwydd yn genedlaethol hefyd, fel bod hynny'n cael ei ystyried o'r cychwyn cyntaf. Felly, mi oedden ni'n datrys yn lleol, ond wedyn wrth inni wneud hynny fe ddaeth y datrysiad cenedlaethol, a thrwy hynny ei fod e'n cael ei wthio lawr o Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru a Llywodraeth Cymru. Mae hwnna'n golygu i ni fod rhyw fath o presumed consent yn y broses - ein bod ni'n gwneud rhywbeth yn genedlaethol ar eu rhan nhw a gyda nhw. Felly, dŷn ni'n poeni tipyn yn llai nawr ein bod ni'n rhan o'r broses genedlaethol, o ran ein hochr ddefnyddio gwybodaeth, nag oedden ni ar y cychwyn yn ei wneud o ran gwneud hwnna ar ein pen ein hunain.
English: From our perspective, before the system went live on the eighth, there were lengthy discussions, and we found a solution for a week through our monitoring officials in north Wales. It involves terminology: whether they are data users or data - there's another term, but I can't quite remember what it is off the top of my head. But those discussions are still ongoing. That issue hasn't been 100 per cent resolved in terms of data sharing, but I do very much hope that it will be very soon.
Welsh: O'n safbwynt ni, cyn i'r system fynd yn fyw ar yr wythfed, mi oedd yna drafodaethau helaeth yn digwydd, ac mi gawson ni ddatrysiad am wythnos trwy ein swyddogion monitro ni yn y gogledd. Mae'n ymwneud â therminoleg: a ydyn nhw'n data users ynteu'n data - mae yna derm arall, ond dwi ddim yn cofio beth ydy o rŵan. Ond mae'r trafodaethau yna yn dal i fynd rhagddynt. Dydy hynny ddim wedi ei ddatrys 100 y cant o ran yr ochr rhannu data, ond dwi'n gobeithio y bydd yn fuan iawn wedi cael ei ddatrys.
English: Thank you. One final question from me. I remember when there was some enthusiasm as to the approach in Ceredigion. There were some people thinking that they were developing their own app, as they were doing on the Isle of Wight. But that, of course, wasn't the case - it was a very different digital platform. But do you believe that there is scope for the use of a proximity-testing app, of the kind that's being experimented with in England, or the international approach by Apple and Google, to run alongside the spadework that we are doing through our local authorities here Wales?
Welsh: Diolch. Un cwestiwn olaf gennyf i. Dwi'n cofio pan oedd yna dipyn o chwilfrydedd ynglŷn â beth oedd yn mynd ymlaen yng Ngheredigion. Roedd yna rai yn meddwl, o bosib, 'Maen nhw'n datblygu ap eu hunain, fel maen nhw'n gwneud â'r ap Ynys Wyth yma.' Wrth gwrs, nid dyna oedd yn digwydd - platfform digidol gwahanol i hynny oedd yna. Ydych chi, serch hynny, yn gweld bod yna le i ddefnydd o ap o'r fath sy'n cael ei arbrofi ar bobl yn Lloegr, neu'r un rhyngwladol gan Apple a Google, i redeg ochr yn ochr â'r gwaith caib a rhaw, os liciwch chi, rydyn ni'n ei wneud drwy'r awdurdodau lleol yma yng Nghymru?
English: Certainly, yes. I think that would be useful to marry the processes - the grass-roots approach that we have, but also using the technology available, because the kind of information that could be gathered would essentially provide the support and guidance to people off their own bat. That is, if there is an app that can feed in to national policy and can anticipate where hotspots may arise across the country, in a way that our data, perhaps, doesn't quite do in such a sophisticated manner, then I do think there is benefit to such an app-based approach. So, I think it's a combination of both things. We are entirely supportive of people downloading any app and sharing their data about how they're feeling, if they're symptomatic, and they should be using that technology to trace their contacts - even those people who they perhaps weren't aware of being in contact with. But through technological approaches - they may have come into close contact with an individual that they weren't aware of. So, the app is clearly very sophisticated, and if it can feed information into us so that we can work more strategically, then excellent; if it gives peace of mind to people and assistance to people without them going into the contact-tracing system such as the one we have - I think that both things can marry well together.
Welsh: Ydw, yn sicr. Dwi'n credu bod hynny'n ddefnyddiol i briodi'r prosesau - y broses ar lawr gwlad, fel sydd gyda ni, ond defnyddio'r dechnoleg sydd ar gael, oherwydd mae'r math o wybodaeth honno, yn y bôn, yn mynd i allu rhoi'r cymorth a'r arweiniad i bobl bron ar ei liwt eu hunain. Hynny yw, os oes yna ap technegol yn gallu bwydo i mewn i bolisi yn genedlaethol, efallai'n gallu rhagweld lle mae hotspots gyda ni ar draws y wlad, efallai mewn modd dyw'r data rŷn ni'n eu cyflwyno ddim cweit yn ei wneud e, mewn ffordd mor soffistigedig - dwi'n credu bod yna fudd i hynny. So, dwi'n credu mai cyfuniad o'r ddau beth. Rŷn ni'n hollol gefnogol bod pobl yn lawrlwytho'r ap ac yn rhannu eu data nhw am sut maen nhw'n teimlo, os ydyn nhw'n symptomatic ac yn y blaen, a'n defnyddio'r dechnoleg hynny i olrhain eu cysylltiadau - hyd yn oed y bobl nad ydyn nhw'n ymwybodol y bydden nhw'n cael eu hadnabod trwy'r dull olrhain cyswllt. Ond trwy ddulliau technolegol - efallai eu bod nhw wedi dod i gyswllt agos â pherson nad oedden nhw'n ymwybodol ohono fe o gwbl. Ac felly, mae'r ap yn amlwg yn rhywbeth soffistigedig. Os gall e fwydo gwybodaeth inni weithio yn fwy strategol, gwych; os yw e'n rhoi rhyw fath o dawelwch meddwl i bobl a chymorth i bobl heb fynd mewn i'r system olrhain cyswllt mwy sefydlog sydd gyda ni - dwi'n credu bod y ddau beth yn gallu priodi'n dda gyda'i gilydd.
English: There we are. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Dyna ni. Diolch yn fawr i chi.
English: Thank you. Okay, we do need to pick up the pace now as time is against us. We'll turn to Jayne Bryant because there are other challenges in terms of this agenda. Jayne Bryant.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Yn naturiol, mae angen carlamu ychydig bach rŵan fel mae amser yn cerdded ymlaen. Gwnawn ni droi at Jayne Bryant nawr achos mae yna heriau eraill ar yr agenda yma hefyd. Jayne Bryant.
English: I think we have an opportunity to do this. We are expecting an announcement from the First Minister next Thursday on easing lockdown and the move to the new normal. The message on contact tracing is going to be crucial during that phase, as Eifion has said. We need to educate all levels of society as to why we're doing this, and if we don't do it, what the upshot of that will be. That message has to be conveyed very clearly and succinctly. We don't need to be brutal, but we do need to be honest about the upshot of not doing this. That message has to be conveyed from central Government and us as local authorities.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl bod gennym ni gyfle i wneud hyn. Mae'n siŵr ein bod ni'n disgwyl cyhoeddiad gan Brif Weinidog Cymru ddydd Iau nesaf ar ddatgloi a symud i'r normal newydd. Mae'r neges ynglŷn â'r contact tracing am fod yn allweddol yn y cyfnod yna, fel mae Eifion wedi ei ddweud, o addysgu pob haen o gymdeithas pam rydym ni'n gwneud hwn ac os nad ydym ni'n ei wneud o, beth ydy'r canlyniad. Mae'n rhaid i'r neges fod yn glir a chryno. Dim brutal ydy'r gair Saesneg, felly, ond gonest am beth ydy canlyniad peidio â gwneud hyn. Mae'r neges yna'n gorfod dod gan y Llywodraeth a ninnau fel awdurdodau.
English: Yes, I'll start.
Welsh: Gwnaf i ddechrau gyda hwnna.
English: Okay. We move to Angela now and our final section of questioning - the last, but not the least important. On testing and other things, Angela.
Welsh: Reit, i Angela nawr, yr adran ddiwethaf - yr olaf, ond nid y gwaethaf, yn naturiol. Angela, profi a phethau eraill. Angela.
English: I think it's the first time in the history of this committee that any witness has ever managed to do that. But it's also right that we should congratulate you as local authorities for the excellent work that has been undertaken. It's been excellent, and Ceredigion especially so, leading the whole nation on this in terms of test, trace and protect. We do take our hats off to you, and we look for further inspiration for the nation from you, because on occasion our small nation does need that inspiration. It's true to say that you have provided it in this case, so thank you very much. You will receive a transcript of these proceedings.
Welsh: Y tro cyntaf, rwyf i'n credu, yn hanes y pwyllgor yma mae unrhyw un wedi llwyddo i wneud hynny. Ond mae'n wir i ni hefyd ddweud - i'ch llongyfarch chi fel cynghorau lleol am y gwaith clodwiw sydd wedi mynd ymlaen. Mae wedi bod yn arbennig, ac yn enwedig Ceredigion yn arbennig felly, yn arwain cenedl gyfan fel hyn nawr ynglŷn â phrofi, olrhain a diogelu, ac ati. Rydym ni yn tynnu ein hetiau i ffwrdd i chi, ac yn edrych i chi am ragor o ysbrydoliaeth i'r genedl yma, achos weithiau mae'r genedl fach yma angen ysbrydoliaeth, ond mae'n wir i ddweud yr ydych chi wedi'i darparu hi yn yr enghraifft yma. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. Mi fyddwch chi yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau.
English: I think Angela's thought of a question now that I've said that.
Welsh: Mae Angela wedi meddwl am gwestiwn rŵan ar ôl i fi ddweud hynna.
English: Thank you. My message in conclusion - and I've made this point already during our conversation - at the moment this is running at risk. Despite the good work that is happening, we are redeploying our own staff, but we must now move towards a system that is adequately funded, whatever that funding system is, so that this can succeed in Wales. Because we can't afford, nobody in Wales can afford for this to fail. As long as we hear relatively swiftly what the funding approach is going to be, and the regional approach is going to be, then we would appreciate that decision happening at a very early stage indeed, so that we can make progress in appointing permanent staff to these roles.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Fy neges i gloi - eto, rhywbeth dwi wedi'i ddweud eisoes yn ystod y sgwrs yma - ar hyn o bryd mae hwn yn rhedeg ar risg. Er gymaint y gwaith da sy'n digwydd, rydym ni yn adleoli ein staff ein hunain, ond mae'n rhaid i ni rŵan symud i system sydd yn cael ei chyllido yn ddigonol, beth bynnag ydy'r drefn gyllido honno, er mwyn iddi allu llwyddo yng Nghymru. Achos fedrwn ni ddim fforddio, fedrith neb yng Nghymru fforddio i hon fethu. Cyn belled â'n bod ni'n cael clywed yn eithaf cyflym beth ydy'r dull cyllido a'r drefn ranbarthol, mi fyddwn ni'n gwerthfawrogi'r penderfyniad yna yn gynnar, gynnar iawn er mwyn i ni allu symud ymlaen i benodi staff parhaol ar gyfer y swyddi yma.
English: Thank you very much. Very valuable. Happy, Angela? Oh, Barry.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, gwerthfawr iawn. Hapus efo hynna, Angela? O, Barry.
English: Just one further point, in order to ensure that I get the final word.
Welsh: Un pwynt olaf, jest er mwyn cael y gair olaf, ontefe?
English: Thank you very much. As I've already said, that brings our session to a close. Thank you very much for your heroic work once again. We won't go after the same sort of thing, but we are extremely grateful to you. Naturally, the Minister will have listened to every second of this evidence, so I'm sure you will have inspired the health Minister and the First Minister too. So, with those few words, thank you all three for your attendance at this virtual meeting, for all your excellent work and, as I've already mentioned, you will receive a transcript of this morning's proceedings so that you can check it for accuracy, or you can frame it and put it on the wall of the chief executive's office, if you like. With those few words, thank you all three once again. That brings that item to a close.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Fel dwi wedi dweud eisoes, dyna ddiwedd y sesiwn o gwestiynau yma. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi am eich gwaith arwrol unwaith eto. Awn ni ddim ar ôl yr un un math o beth, ond rydym ni yn hynod o ddiolchgar. Yn naturiol, mi fydd y Gweinidog wedi bod yn gwrando ar bob munud o'r dystiolaeth yma, felly, byddwch chi wedi bod yn ysbrydoli'r Gweinidog iechyd a'r Prif Weinidog hefyd. Ond gyda chymaint â hynna o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi'ch tri am eich presenoldeb yn y cyfarfod rhithwir yma, am eich holl waith bendigedig, a hefyd, fel dwi wedi crybwyll eisoes, mi fyddwch chi yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma er mwyn ichi allu gwirio ei fod yn ffeithiol gywir, neu ei fframio a'i roi ar wal swyddfa'r prif weithredwr os ydych chi eisiau. Ond gyda hynna o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi'ch tri. Diolch yn fawr. Dyna ddiwedd yr eitem yna.
English: Turning now to item 6, papers to note. Members will have seen the letter from the Chair of the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee regarding the forthcoming evidence session with the Older People's Commissioner for Wales and Age Cymru next Tuesday. Happy to note that letter for the time being? Thank you very much.
Welsh: I'm cyd-Aelodau, rŵan, rydym ni'n symud ymlaen i eitem 6, a phapurau i'w nodi. Mi fydd Aelodau wedi gweld y llythyr gan Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Cydraddoldeb, Llywodraeth Leol a Chymunedau ynghylch y sesiwn dystiolaeth arfaethedig gyda Chomisiynydd Pobl Hŷn Cymru ac Age Cymru ddydd Mawrth nesaf. Hapus i nodi hwnna am y tro? Diolch yn fawr.
English: That brings us to item 7 and a motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting to discuss our next item. Is everyone happy with that? I see that you are agreed. We will therefore move into private session, and that concludes our public meeting. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Rydym felly yn cyrraedd eitem 7 a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 (ix) i benderfynnu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod yma heddiw i drafod yr eitem nesaf. A ydy pawb yn hapus efo'r penderfyniad yna? Dwi'n gallu gweld eich bod chi, felly mi awn i mewn i sesiwn breifat, a dyna ddiwedd y cyfarfod cyhoeddus. Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi.