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English: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the latest meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here in the Senedd. The first item is the introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest. Can I welcome my fellow members of the committee this morning and can I further explain that this meeting will be bilingual, of course? You can use the headphones to hear the interpretation from Welsh to English on channel 1 or to hear contributions amplified on channel 2. We don't expect a fire alarm today as a drill, so, if one does sound, you should follow the ushers' instructions. As I've referred to previously, the microphones work automatically, so you don't need to touch them at all. We have received apologies from Angela Burns for the meeting this morning, and Darren Millar will be substituting on her behalf this morning. Angela Burns is present in this committee meeting this afternoon.
Welsh: Bore da i chi i gyd a chroeso i gyfarfod diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. Dan yr eitem gyntaf, y cyflwyniadau, ymddiheuriadau, dirprwyon a datgan buddiannau, allaf i estyn croeso i'm cyd-aelodau o'r pwyllgor y bore yma a bellach egluro bod y cyfarfod yma, yn naturiol, yn ddwyieithog? Gellir defnyddio clustffonau i glywed cyfieithu ar y pryd o'r Gymraeg i'r Saesneg ar sianel 1, neu i glywed cyfraniadau yn yr iaith wreiddiol yn well ar sianel 2. Dŷn ni ddim yn disgwyl larwm tân i ganu fel ymarfer y bore yma, felly dylid dilyn cyfarwyddiadau'r tywyswyr os bydd larwm tân yn canu. Fel dwi wedi cyfeirio eisoes, mae'r meicroffonau'n gweithio'n awtomatig; nid oes angen eu cyffwrdd o gwbl. Rŷn ni wedi derbyn ymddiheuriad gan Angela Burns am sesiwn y bore yma a bydd Darren Millar yn dirprwyo ar ei rhan y bore yma. Mae Angela Burns yn bresennol yn sesiwn o'r pwyllgor yma'r prynhawn yma.
English: So, with that much of an introduction, we move on to item 3, which is the general scrutiny, and an evidence session with Aneurin Bevan University Health Board. This is the sixth in our series of general scrutiny sessions with every local health board here in Wales. This time, it's Aneurin Bevan's turn. So, to that effect, I'm very pleased to welcome Ann Lloyd, who is the chair, Judith Paget, who is chief executive, Glyn Jones, director of finance and performance, and Martine Price, who is interim director of nursing. As usual, we will confirm that we've read your written evidence. We'll go straight into questions, as usual, and the first questions are from Lynne Neagle.
Welsh: Felly, gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, dŷn ni'n symud ymlaen at eitem 3 a chraffu cyffredinol, sef sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Aneurin Bevan. Dyma'r chweched yn ein cyfres o sesiynau craffu cyffredinol gyda phob bwrdd iechyd lleol yma yng Nghymru. Tro Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Aneurin Bevan yw hi'r bore yma, felly, i'r perwyl yna, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu Ann Lloyd, cadeirydd, Judith Paget, prif weithredwr, Glyn Jones, cyfarwyddwr cyllid a pherfformiad, a Martine Price, cyfarwyddwr nyrsio dros dro. Yn ôl ein harfer, dŷn ni wedi darllen y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig. Awn ni'n syth mewn i gwestiynau yn ein modd traddodiadol, ac mae'r cwestiynau cyntaf gan Lynne Neagle.
English: Okay. Moving on to issues regarding primary care - Helen Mary Jones.
Welsh: Ocê. Symud ymlaen i faterion yn ymwneud efo gofal sylfaenol - Helen Mary Jones.
English: Time to move on to consider nursing staff levels - David Rees.
Welsh: Mae'n amser i symud ymlaen i gysidro lefelau staff nyrsio - David Rees.
English: Happy? I think we've come to the end of the questions because we're at the end of the session, unless there's an important question that somebody wants to ask now. There are a couple of questions left, but it would take too long for you to answer them wholly, so we'll write to you with those. So, may I announce to everyone our thanks to you for being here this morning and also for your written evidence, and for responding to the questions so well? Thank you very much. I can confirm as well that you will receive a transcript of the proceedings so that you can check them for factual accuracy at the end of the day. But also, to confirm, we will write to you, because there are a couple of questions left that we need answers to. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Hapus? Dwi'n credu ein bod ni wedi dod i ddiwedd y cwestiynau achos rŷm ni ar ddiwedd y sesiwn, os nad oes yna unrhyw gwestiwn pwysig y mae rhywun eisiau ei ofyn nawr. Mae yna gwpl o gwestiynau ar ôl, ond byddai'n cymryd gormod o amser i chi eu hateb nhw'n gyflawn, felly fe wnawn ni ysgrifennu atoch chi ymlaen llaw. Felly, allaf i gyhoeddi ein diolchiadau ichi am fod yma y bore yma ac am eich tystiolaeth ysgrifenedig, a hefyd am ateb y cwestiynau mewn ffordd mor raenus ac aeddfed y bore yma? Diolch yn fawr iawn. Gallaf i gadarnhau, hefyd, y byddwch chi yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma er mwyn ichi gallu gwirio eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir ar ddiwedd y dydd. Ond hefyd, i gadarnhau, mi fyddwn ni'n ysgrifennu atoch chi, achos mae yna gwpl o gwestiynau ar ôl hefyd. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn ichi.
English: To my fellow Members, I can tell you that we're now going to have a break until 13:15. In the meantime, some of us will be meeting with the health Minister of the Basque Country in the room across from here, and all Members are welcome to be present for that event. Thank you very much.
Welsh: I'm cyd-Aelodau, gallaf ddweud ein bod ni nawr yn mynd i dorri am egwyl tan 13:15. Yn y cyfamser, bydd rhai ohonom ni'n cyfarfod efo Gweinidog iechyd Gwlad y Basg yn yr ystafell ar draws y ffordd, ac mae croeso i bob Aelod o'r pwyllgor yma hefyd i fod yn bresennol am y digwyddiad hwnnw. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi.
English: Welcome back, everyone, to the afternoon session of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here in the Senedd. We have reached item 4, on the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill. This is the evidence session with the Minister for Health and Social Services. Before we start, I believe Jayne Bryant has an interest to declare. Jayne.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i bawb i sesiwn y prynhawn o'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yn y Senedd. Rydym ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 4 rŵan ar y Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Ansawdd ac Ymgysylltu) (Cymru). Dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol. Cyn inni ddechrau, dwi'n credu bod angen i Jayne Bryant ddatgan buddiant. Jayne.
English: Thank you very much, Jayne. I'm sure that will have been noted. So, this is the first evidence session for this committee on the Government's Bill, and we'll be hearing a lot more oral evidence on this at the start of the autumn term, but we start out this afternoon with scrutiny of the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill. This is an evidence session with the Minister, and to that end, I'm pleased to welcome Vaughan Gething, Minister for Health and Social Services, Sioned Rees, senior responsible officer for the Bill, Janet Davies, deputy director of the health and social services group, and also Sapna Lewis from legal services. Welcome to all. You know how the system works in this place by now. The microphones work automatically. They don't need to be touched at all. We will go straight to questioning as Members have already read the detail of this Bill in unbelievable detail. David Rees to begin.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Jayne. Dwi'n siŵr y bydd hwnna yn cael ei nodi. Felly, dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyntaf y pwyllgor yma ar Fil y Llywodraeth, a bydd y pwyllgor yn clywed rhagor o dystiolaeth lafar ar ddechrau tymor y hydref. Ond rydym ni'n dechrau bant brynhawn yma i graffu ar y Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Ansawdd ac Ymgysylltu) (Cymru). Dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog, ac i'r perwyl yna, dwi'n falch iawn o groesawu Vaughan Gething, y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol, ac yn ogystal Sioned Rees, uwch-swyddog cyfrifol am y Bil, Janet Davies, dirprwy gyfarwyddwr y grŵp iechyd a gwasanaethau cymdeithasol, a hefyd Sapna Lewis o'r gwasanaeth cyfreithiol. Croeso i bawb. Rydych chi'n gwybod fel mae'r system yn rhedeg yn y lle yma erbyn rŵan. Mae'r meicroffonau yn gweithio yn awtomatig. Nid oes angen eu cyffwrdd o gwbl. Awn ni yn syth i gwestiynu gan fod Aelodau wedi darllen manylion y Bil yma mewn manylder anghredadwy eisoes. David Rees i ddechrau.
English: Okay. We'll move on, therefore, to the next duty, which is the duty of candour. Helen Mary Jones.
Welsh: Ocê. Symudwn ni ymlaen, felly, i'r ddyletswydd nesaf - y ddyletswydd gonestrwydd. Helen Mary Jones.
English: Okay. We are out of time, so thank you very much for your questions. Thank you all for your presence this afternoon. I can confirm that you'll receive a transcript of the discussions today to ensure that they're factually accurate. But, with those few words, thank you very much. That's the end of that item.
Welsh: Ocê. Rŷn ni mas o amser, wedyn diolch yn fawr iawn am eich cwestiynau. Diolch yn fawr i chi i gyd am eich presenoldeb y prynhawn yma. Gallaf i bellach gadarnhau y byddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau i gadarnhau eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir. Ond gyda chymaint â hynna o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd. Dyna ddiwedd yr eitem yna.
English: And to my fellow Members, we will move on to item 5, which is papers to note. You will have seen the letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services regarding the judicial review in Scotland on early medical abortion at home, and you'll also have read the letter by the chair of the Cardiff and Vale University Health Board regarding the meeting last week. Is everyone happy to note? Everyone's happy.
Welsh: Ac i'm cyd Aelodau, fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen i eitem 5, papurau i'w nodi. Mi fyddwch chi wedi gweld y llythyr gan y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol ynghylch adolygiad barnwrol yr Alban ar erthyliad meddygol cynnar yn y cartref. Mi fyddwch hefyd wedi darllen y llythyr gan gadeirydd Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Caerdydd a'r Fro ynghylch cyfarfod wythnos ddiwethaf. Pawb yn hapus i nodi? Pawb yn hapus i nodi.
English: Therefore, we'll move on to item 6, which is a motion under Standing Order 17.42 (vi) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting. Is everyone content? Thank you very much.
Welsh: Symud ymlaen, felly, i eitem 6, a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 (vi) i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod hwn. Pawb yn gytûn? Diolch yn fawr.
English: Thank you, Chair. Could I just ask you, generally in the first place, and then we'll drill down into some of the detail, what is the usual approach for Team Wales when there is a sudden announcement that there are to be major manufacturing job losses? For example, like Ford - we have referred to Ford already. Ford is in my region and I'm one of the Assembly Members that are trying to protect the interests of Ford workers. So, could I ask the general question first: what is the usual approach for Team Wales when a catastrophe like that happens?
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Allaf i jest ofyn, yn gyffredinol yn y lle cyntaf, ac wedyn fe wnawn ni hoelio lawr ar rai manylion, beth ydy dull arferol ymateb Tîm Cymru pan fydd yna gyhoeddiad o nifer fawr o swyddi gweithgynhyrchu yn cael eu colli yn ddisymwth? Er enghraifft, fel Ford - dŷn ni wedi cyfeirio at Ford eisoes. Mae Ford yn fy rhanbarth i a dwi'n un o'r Aelodau Cynulliad sydd yn ceisio gwarchod buddiannau gweithwyr Ford. Felly, allaf i ofyn y cwestiwn cyffredinol yn y lle cyntaf: beth ydy dull arferol ymateb Tîm Cymru pan fydd yna ryw drychineb fel yna yn digwydd?
English: Well, Chair, the usual approach is to bring people together very rapidly, to get everyone who is part of our attempt around the same table - the Government, of course; local authorities; people who work in the field of skills; sometimes the field of health as well; and of course the company themselves. It's essential that we have the company at that table because many things are in their hands: they have the information, they have access to the workforce. So, without that company at the table, there are many things that we would not be able to do in the way that we would like to. And we want to do it quickly. And one of the things that we have learned over the years is the importance of focusing on the supply chain at the same time. So, not just to focus on the company and think of the supply chain after that, but rather to deal with the impact on the supply chain at the same point in time. Now, Gwenllian has worked in many areas in north Wales here, and it might be helpful, perhaps, if she could give you some examples of what I'm saying.
Welsh: Wel, Cadeirydd, y dull arferol yw i dynnu pobl at ei gilydd yn gyflym, i gael pob un sy'n rhan o'r ymdrech dŷn ni yn ei wneud wrth y bwrdd gyda'i gilydd - y Llywodraeth, wrth gwrs; awdurdodau lleol; pobl sy'n gweithio yn y maes sgiliau; y maes iechyd ambell waith hefyd; ac wrth gwrs y cwmni ei hun. Mae'n hollbwysig i gael y cwmni wrth y bwrdd achos mae lot o bethau yn eu dwylo nhw: gwybodaeth, access at bobl sy'n gweithio yn y gweithlu. So, heb gael y cwmni wrth y bwrdd, mae lot o bethau dŷn ni ddim yn gallu eu gwneud yn y ffordd rŷm ni eisiau eu gwneud. Ac i'w wneud e'n gyflym. Ac un o'r pethau rŷm ni wedi'i ddysgu dros y blynyddoedd yw pwysigrwydd canolbwyntio ar y supply chain ar yr un pryd. Nid jest i ffocysu ar y cwmni a meddwl am y supply chain wedyn, ond i ddelio â'r effaith ar y supply chain ar yr un amser. Nawr, mae Gwenllian wedi gweithio nifer o weithiau yn y gogledd yma, ac os yw'n ddefnyddiol, dwi'n siŵr y bydd hi'n gallu rhoi enghraifft o beth rydw i'n ei ddweud ar hyn o bryd.
English: One of the main things, just reinforcing what the First Minister said, that we are learning in doing this every time, and I think that it's praiseworthy in terms of the partners that we work with. When things like this happen, it's terrible, and people do move very quickly. The regional way of working allows us to be much closer to our partners on the outside - working more closely with councils and so forth. So, yes, we've learned a lot from Murco - one of the first big ones that we dealt with. And there we learned very quickly. The focus at the outset was on the individuals who were losing their jobs, but very quickly we realised that, in terms of the local economic multiplier, that it was very important to work with the supply chain, and we did that. Picking up from that, we were able to transfer those lessons to Tata, where we did extend the people around the table to look at provision in terms of health and mental health, because it's a very difficult period for people, and then we were able to transfer that in terms of the Magnox taskforce in Trawsfynydd several years ago, and now what we're doing in the north of Anglesey to respond to redundancies in Horizon, Rehau and Magnox in due course. But I think the main thing is knowing your patch, having a very robust relationship with councils, having a robust relationship with the company and providers such as Business Wales, the Department for Work and Pensions, and Careers Wales.
Welsh: Un o'r prif bethau, jest i atgyfnerthu beth roedd y Prif Weinidog yn ei ddweud, ydy ein bod ni'n dysgu wrth wneud hyn bob amser, a dwi'n meddwl bod o'n glod, i ddweud y gwir, i'r partneriaid dŷn ni'n gweithio efo nhw. Pan mae yna rywbeth fel hyn yn digwydd, mae o'n ofnadwy, ac mae pawb wirioneddol yn symud yn sydyn. Mae'r dull rhanbarthol o weithio yn caniatáu i ni fod yn lot agosach at ein partneriaid ar y tu allan - yn gweithio lot agosaoch efo cynghorau sir ac yn y blaen. Felly, dŷn ni wedi dysgu lot o Murco - un o'r rhai mawr cyntaf gwnaethom ni ddelio â fo. Ac yn fanno gwnaethom ni ddysgu yn sydyn iawn. Roedd y canolbwynt i ddechrau ar yr unigolion oedd yn colli eu swyddi, ond yn fuan iawn gwnaethom ni sylweddoli, o ran y multiplier yn yr economi leol, roedd o'n hanfodol bwysig gweithio efo'r gadwyn gyflenwi, a dyna wnaethom ni. Ac yn pigo i fyny o hwnnw, gwnaethon ni fedru trosi'r gwersi yna ymlaen i Tata, lle gwnaethom ni ymestyn, o ran y criw oedd rownd y bwrdd, i edrych ar y ddarpariaeth o ran iechyd ac iechyd meddwl, achos mae hwn yn gyfnod anodd iawn i bobl, a dŷn ni wedi trosi hwnnw wedyn o ran tasglu Magnox yn Nhrawsfynydd nifer o flynyddoedd yn ôl, a rŵan beth dŷn ni'n ei wneud yng ngogledd Ynys Môn i ymateb i ddiswyddiadau Horizon, Rehau a Magnox maes o law. Ond dwi'n meddwl mai'r prif beth ydy nabod eich patsh, bod efo perthynas gadarn iawn efo cynghorau, perthynas gadarn iawn efo'r cwmni a darparwyr fel Business Wales, y Department for Work and Pensions, a Careers Wales.
English: Okay. Thank you very much for that response. So, just specifically, because I want to drill down to what's happening with the taskforce in Bridgend currently. It appears to those of us who are on the outside as if the mood music surrounding the taskforce accepts the fact, without question, that Ford is not going to play any role in the future of this site in Bridgend, and that any new jobs will come from a new employer, or that the site will close. Do you agree with that kind of assessment? And could you, therefore, expand on the alternatives available on the table if you disagree with that assessment?
Welsh: Ocê. Diolch yn fawr am yr ymateb yna. Yn benodol, felly, jest i ddrilio i lawr ar beth sy'n digwydd efo'r tasglu ym Mhen-y-bont ar Ogwr rŵan. Mae'n ymddangos i ni sydd yn dal y tu allan i hyn fod y cefndir cerddorol - y mood music, os buasech chi'n licio - o gwmpas y tasglu yma'n derbyn y ffaith yn ddiamod fod Ford ddim yn mynd i chwarae unrhyw rôl yn y dyfodol yn y safle yma ym Mhen-y-bont, a bydd unrhyw swyddi newydd yn dod o gyflogwr newydd neu fe fydd y safle yna'n cau. Ydych chi'n cytuno efo'r fath o ddadansoddiad yna? Ac allwch chi ehangu, efallai, ar y dewisiadau amgen sydd ar y bwrdd, os nad ydych chi'n cytuno efo'r dadansoddiad yna?
English: Well, it is important, I think, not to accept now that Ford is going to leave Bridgend, and not to accept that Ford is going to move everything that they're doing out of Bridgend. So, we're still telling the company that this is a period of - . What is 'consultation' in Welsh?
Welsh: Wel, mae'n bwysig, dwi'n meddwl, i beidio â derbyn nawr y ffaith bod Ford yn mynd i symud mas o Ben-y-bont, ac i beidio â derbyn bod Ford yn mynd i symud popeth maen nhw'n ei wneud mas o Ben-y-bont. So, dŷn ni'n dal i ddweud wrth y cwmni mai cyfnod o - . Beth yw ' consultation '?
English: It's a period of consultation that we're undertaking at present, and it's important for that to be open and for Ford to hear what local people are saying about the possibility to retain work in Bridgend. So, we haven't given up on that. But, of course, we know that that's what Ford has said - that's the intention that they have. So, it is important to prepare just in case that does happen. Ford is beyond our usual practice because of the major impact on the local area. I had a phone call with the Prime Minister, Mrs May, immediately after the statement by Ford, and Ken Skates has met more than once with Ministers in Westminster. And, of course, the group that we've pulled together, the chair of that group on the political side is Ken Skates on the Welsh Government side, but also the Secretary of State chairing things on the side of the UK as well. So, we have pulled those things together. There was a meeting on 1 July, the first meeting, and Richard Parry-Jones has agreed to chair that committee, and around the table are people from Ford as well. I emphasised that in the phone meeting that I had with the people from Ford in America, Ford Europe and Ford UK. I was just drawing out a commitment from them to be around the table and for them to do everything that they can do to help us to plan for the future. So, we haven't given up in terms of keeping Ford in Bridgend, but we're preparing just in case things don't turn out that way.
Welsh: Cyfnod o ymgynghoriad sydd gyda ni ar hyn o bryd, a'i bod hi'n bwysig i hwnnw fod yn agored a bod Ford yn clywed beth mae pobl leol yn ei ddweud am y posibiliadau o gadw gwaith ym Mhen-y-bont. So, dŷn ni ddim wedi rhoi'r gorau ar hynny o gwbl. Ond, wrth gwrs, dŷn ni'n gwybod mai dyna beth mae Ford wedi'i ddweud - dyna'r bwriad sydd gyda nhw. So, mae'n bwysig i baratoi rhag ofn bydd hynny yn digwydd. Mae Ford yn rhywbeth y tu hwnt i beth ni'n ei wneud bob tro achos yr effaith fawr yn yr ardal leol. So, ces i alwad ffôn gyda'r Prif Weinidog, Mrs May, yn syth ar ôl y datganiad gan Ford, ac mae Ken Skates wedi cwrdd mwy nag unwaith â'r Gweinidogion yn San Steffan. Ac, wrth gwrs, y grŵp rŷm ni wedi tynnu at ei gilydd, cadeirydd y grŵp i gyd ar yr ochr wleidyddol yw Ken Skates ar ochr Llywodraeth Cymru, ond yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn cadeirio pethau ar ochr y Deyrnas Unedig hefyd. So, rŷm ni wedi tynnu'r ddau beth at ei gilydd. Roedd cyfarfod ar 1 Gorffennaf, y cyfarfod cyntaf, ac mae Richard Parry-Jones wedi cytuno i gadeirio y pwyllgor yna, ac wrth y bwrdd mae pobl o Ford hefyd. Roeddwn i'n rhoi pwysau ar hynny yn yr alwad ffôn - cyfarfod dros y ffôn ges i gyda'r bobl o Ford yn America, Ford Europe, Ford UK. Roeddwn i'n jest tynnu mas commitment ganddyn nhw i fod wrth y bwrdd a gwneud popeth maen nhw'n gallu ei wneud i'n helpu ni i gynllunio am y dyfodol. So, dydyn ni ddim wedi rhoi'r gorau ar gadw Ford ym Mhen-y-bont, ond rŷm ni'n paratoi, wrth gwrs, rhag ofn bydd pethau ddim yn troi mas fel yna.