English: I'm very grateful to you for your answer, Minister. Can you give us some indications of the timescale under which that group is expected to report? Because I'm certainly being told that we are, in some parts of Wales, facing a crisis in social care, one of the major issues being recruitment of staff. Of course, there's a Brexit element to that, but, in the context of this question today, one of the other major issues is the lack of parity of pay as well as parity of esteem between those who do identical jobs in the health service and those who do exactly the same roles in the care sector, where the work is less secure, where the terms and conditions are less favourable. And I'm constantly being told by care providers that they are training staff and then losing them to the NHS because the conditions are so much better there. Is the working group that you've just mentioned addressing those parity of pay issues? If it isn't doing so at the moment, can I ask you to commit to doing so? Because, in the end, the quality of our care services, as of our health services, is entirely dependent on the people that provide them. Everything else you can do, but, unless you get the people right, you really can't provide the service that people need, particularly in terms of caring for the elderly. If you've got a constant turnover of staff, the effect that has on quality of care and the well-being, the emotional well-being, of individuals is devastating. So, can I ask both for a timescale and that the working group does address those issues? We hear a lot about parity of esteem between health and care, but we say in Welsh ' diwedd y gân yw'r geiniog' - at the end of the song is the penny, and I don't think that people working in care care quite so much as about esteem as they do about what's in their pay packet.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i chi am eich ateb, Weinidog. A allwch roi unrhyw syniad o'r amserlen y disgwylir i'r grŵp hwnnw gyflwyno'i adroddiadau? Oherwydd yn sicr, dywedir wrthyf ein bod, mewn rhai rhannau o Gymru, yn wynebu argyfwng gofal cymdeithasol, ac un o'r materion mawr yw recriwtio staff. Wrth gwrs, ceir elfen Brexit i hynny o beth, ond yng nghyd-destun y cwestiwn hwn heddiw, un o'r prif faterion eraill yw diffyg cydraddoldeb cyflog yn ogystal â pharch cydradd rhwng y rheini sy'n gwneud swyddi yr un fath yn y gwasanaeth iechyd a'r rhai sy'n gwneud yr un swyddi yn union yn y sector gofal, lle mae'r gwaith yn llai sicr, lle mae'r telerau ac amodau yn llai ffafriol. A dywed darparwyr gofal wrthyf yn gyson eu bod yn hyfforddi staff ac yna'n eu colli i'r GIG gan fod yr amodau gymaint yn well yno. A yw'r gweithgor rydych newydd ei grybwyll yn mynd i'r afael â'r materion sy'n ymwneud â chydraddoldeb cyflog? Os nad yw'n gwneud hynny ar hyn o bryd, a gaf fi ofyn ichi ymrwymo i wneud hynny? Oherwydd, yn y pen draw, mae ansawdd ein gwasanaethau gofal, fel ein gwasanaethau iechyd, yn gwbl ddibynnol ar y bobl sy'n eu darparu. Gallwch wneud popeth arall, ond oni bai fod gennych y bobl gywir, mewn gwirionedd, ni allwch ddarparu'r gwasanaeth sydd ei angen ar bobl, yn enwedig mewn perthynas â gofalu am yr henoed. Os oes gennych drosiant staff cyson, mae effaith hynny ar ansawdd gofal ac ar les unigolion, eu lles emosiynol, yn ddinistriol. Felly, a gaf fi ofyn am amserlen a gofyn i'r gweithgor fynd i'r afael â'r materion hynny? Rydym yn clywed llawer am barch cydradd rhwng iechyd a gofal, ond diwedd y gân yw'r geiniog, ac ni chredaf fod pobl sy'n gweithio mewn gofal yn poeni gymaint am barch ag y maent am yr hyn sydd yn eu pecynnau cyflog.