English: One of the big employers that we have in Wales is, of course, the Royal Mail, and we have all sung, and quite rightly so, the praises of our postmen during the COVID pandemic. And, of course, many speakers have also talked about the importance of the safety and well-being of those people who work within businesses. Can I say, then, how surprised I am that the Royal Mail, an organisation that, certainly in Cardiff, has had an outbreak of COVID, at this moment in time is looking at the introduction of multi-occupancy vehicles? All the more surprising, because in their guidelines, when they're looking at the safety provisions, they say, 'Do we need to take any different approaches to the Public Health England advice in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?', and they say, 'No, we will continue to be led by the Government and Public Health England.' I've raised this with the Royal Mail. They have now actually changed that guidance, but isn't it quite incredible that, when we have laws in Wales to protect workers, we have the Royal Mail basically saying, 'No, we're going to disregard Welsh law and we're going to apply the English criteria'? Because in Wales we quite rightly have laws to protect workers by regulating social distancing. I hope this is a matter, Minister, that Welsh Government will take up, because there is obviously a concern about the way in which the Royal Mail is operating and the introduction, at this particular moment in time, of multi-occupancy vehicles. Can I also say, then, in terms of other businesses, we have some great businesses in Wales who have worked with their trade unions constructively, collectively, to deliver for those businesses and for safety for workers? And that's why we have within Wales a social partnership, because we recognise that that partnership and that role of trade unions in terms of safety, in terms of in-work poverty, in terms of ethical employment and giving a voice for workers, is something that actually works, in a way that the UK Government in England has approached trade unions very, very differently. So, it is of absolutely no surprise that we see this clause within this motion that just really reveals what the Tories really are about: anti-union, anti a voice for working people at a particular time when it is their safety, it is their livelihood, it is their risk as a result of COVID that is so, so important. And it is, I think, absolutely shameful that you put that in, because it is misleading. You know absolutely that there is no requirement in receipt of Welsh funding to recognise a trade union, but it is absolutely proper and right that Welsh Government should say, 'If you want public money, you can be expected to apply ethical standards of employment', and ethical standards of employment - we know that those who are in trade unions have higher standards, higher safety and less in-work poverty. Can I also say how disgraceful it is that the Tories, when they talk about business - there's not been a single Welsh Tory I've heard that's come up that has spoken up in terms of the British Airways workers in south Wales, those that have been fired and then re-hired on lower terms and conditions by an organisation that has received public money and now seeks to use COVID to its own advantage? Where were the Tories then, when there was an opportunity to speak up in terms of those particular Welsh workers? Llywydd, what was not acceptable during this COVID pandemic, and all the difficulties that exist for businesses and workers and their common interest, was that austerity is reintroduced and our public sector workers are made to pay the price of this COVID pandemic. Already, we see Tory discussions taking place about how to restrict pay in the public sector, how to cut the public purse burden, and this is not acceptable. I think one thing that comes out of this COVID crisis is that, yes, we support our businesses, we support ethical employment, we support those who work in those businesses, we support social partnership, but there must be no going back to how things were before when we come out of COVID. And it is a great pity that the Tory party in Wales has shown itself yet again just to be anti-trade union and anti-working class. Thank you.
Welsh: Un o'r cyflogwyr mawr sydd gennym yng Nghymru, wrth gwrs, yw'r Post Brenhinol, ac rydym i gyd wedi canu clodydd ein postmyn yn ystod y pandemig COVID, a hynny'n gwbl briodol. Ac wrth gwrs, mae llawer o siaradwyr hefyd wedi sôn am bwysigrwydd diogelwch a lles y bobl sy'n gweithio mewn busnesau. A gaf fi ddweud, felly, cymaint o syndod yw gweld bod y Post Brenhinol, sefydliad sydd, yn sicr yng Nghaerdydd, wedi cael achosion o COVID, ar hyn o bryd yn edrych ar gyflwyno cerbydau amlfeddiannaeth? Mae'n fwy o syndod byth, oherwydd yn eu canllawiau, wrth edrych ar y darpariaethau diogelwch, dywedant, 'A oes angen inni fynd ati mewn ffyrdd gwahanol i gyngor Public Health England yn yr Alban, Cymru, a Gogledd Iwerddon?', a dywedant, 'Na, byddwn yn parhau i gael ein harwain gan y Llywodraeth a Public Health England.' Rwyf wedi codi hyn gyda'r Post Brenhinol. Maent bellach wedi newid y canllawiau hynny, ond onid yw'n gwbl anhygoel, pan fydd gennym gyfreithiau yng Nghymru i ddiogelu gweithwyr, fod gennym y Post Brenhinol yn dweud yn y bôn, 'Na, rydym yn mynd i ddiystyru cyfraith Cymru a dilyn meini prawf Lloegr'? Oherwydd yng Nghymru, mae gennym gyfreithiau i ddiogelu gweithwyr drwy reoleiddio cadw pellter cymdeithasol, a hynny'n gwbl briodol. Weinidog, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn codi'r mater hwn, oherwydd mae'n amlwg fod pryder ynglŷn â'r ffordd y mae'r Post Brenhinol yn gweithredu a chyflwyno cerbydau amlfeddiannaeth ar yr adeg hon. A gaf fi ddweud hefyd, felly, mewn perthynas â busnesau eraill, fod gennym rai busnesau gwych yng Nghymru sydd wedi gweithio gyda'u hundebau llafur yn adeiladol, gyda'i gilydd, i gyflawni dros y busnesau hynny a thros ddiogelwch gweithwyr? A dyna pam y mae gennym bartneriaeth gymdeithasol yng Nghymru, oherwydd rydym yn cydnabod bod y bartneriaeth honno a rôl undebau llafur ym maes diogelwch, tlodi mewn gwaith, cyflogaeth foesegol a rhoi llais i weithwyr, yn rhywbeth sy'n gweithio mewn gwirionedd, mewn ffordd wahanol iawn i'r modd y mae Llywodraeth y DU yn Lloegr wedi ymgysylltu ag undebau llafur. Felly, nid yw'n syndod o gwbl ein bod yn gweld y cymal hwn yn y cynnig sy'n datgelu beth yw diben go iawn y Torïaid: gwrthwynebu undebau, gwrthwynebu llais i bobl sy'n gweithio ar adeg arbennig pan fo'u diogelwch, eu bywoliaeth, eu risg o ganlyniad i COVID mor bwysig. Ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn gwbl gywilyddus eich bod yn rhoi hynny i mewn, oherwydd mae'n gamarweiniol. Fe wyddoch yn iawn nad oes gofyniad i gydnabod undeb llafur er mwyn cael arian yng Nghymru, ond mae'n gwbl briodol a chywir i Lywodraeth Cymru ddweud, 'Os ydych am gael arian cyhoeddus, gellir disgwyl i chi gymhwyso safonau cyflogaeth foesegol' - a gwyddom fod gan y rhieni sydd mewn undebau llafur safonau uwch, mwy o ddiogelwch a llai o dlodi mewn gwaith. A gaf fi ddweud hefyd pa mor warthus yw hi fod y Torïaid, pan fyddant yn siarad am fusnes - ni chlywais yr un Tori Cymreig yn siarad o blaid gweithwyr British Airways yn ne Cymru, y rhai a gafodd eu diswyddo a'u hail-gyflogi ar delerau ac amodau gwaeth gan sefydliad sydd wedi cael arian cyhoeddus ac sydd bellach yn ceisio defnyddio COVID i'w fantais ei hun? Ble roedd y Torïaid bryd hynny, pan gafwyd cyfle i siarad ar ran y gweithwyr hynny yng Nghymru? Lywydd, nid oedd yn dderbyniol yn ystod y pandemig COVID hwn, a'r holl anawsterau sy'n bodoli i fusnesau a gweithwyr a'u lles cyffredin, fod cyni'n cael ei ailgyflwyno a bod ein gweithwyr sector cyhoeddus yn cael eu gorfodi i dalu pris y pandemig COVID hwn. Eisoes, gwelwn drafodaethau'n cael eu cynnal gan y Torïaid ynglŷn â sut i gyfyngu ar gyflogau yn y sector cyhoeddus, sut i dorri baich y pwrs cyhoeddus, ac nid yw hyn yn dderbyniol. Credaf mai un peth sy'n deillio o'r argyfwng COVID hwn yw ein bod yn cefnogi ein busnesau, ein bod yn cefnogi cyflogaeth foesegol, yn cefnogi'r rheini sy'n gweithio yn y busnesau hynny, rydym yn cefnogi partneriaeth gymdeithasol, ond rhaid inni beidio â mynd yn ôl at y ffordd roedd pethau o'r blaen pan ddown allan o COVID. Ac mae'n drueni mawr fod y blaid Dorïaidd yng Nghymru wedi dangos unwaith eto ei bod yn wrth-undeb llafur ac yn wrth-ddosbarth gweithiol. Diolch.