English: Well, first of all, those who make those comments clearly take it for granted that there will be an inquiry, and as Adam Price said earlier, there is no question of the need for such an inquiry; indeed, we will need inquiries at a number of different levels, but I don't think that we can make that separation quite that easily between what's happened and the lessons that need to be learned and what needs to be in for the future. The earlier that we can learn some lessons, then the better it will be, because the pandemic goes on and it will be with us for quite some time. The risk is still significant, and it will remain so. There's talk of at least another peak of the pandemic, a second peak, and that's why Plaid Cymru proposed weeks ago that work on the establishment of an inquiry, a judge-led inquiry, should commence immediately and there was real value to that in addition, of course, to the scrutiny work that we as a Senedd are doing. The suggestion from Government and the suggestion made by the First Minister today was that a judge and his team would be in the way and would get in the way of the practical work of fighting the pandemic. Now, I am confident that a research team could work, or an inquiry team could work in a way that not only wouldn't interfere, but could help in the long term by providing real-time information on what's happening. No-one is suggesting that our scrutiny is getting in the way of dealing with the pandemic; scrutiny is important. An inquiry of the kind that we're talking about could provide guidance for any further pandemic, and also, not quite in real time as we are doing at the Senedd, but to a far tighter timetable than the Government seems to wish to be put in place, and that there would be feedback for later peaks of this pandemic. We of course would need inquiries into well-known failings by the UK Government running alongside this and hopefully, we will get support for amendment 4 in the name of Siân Gwenllian that makes that point, but we are talking here about looking at the response of the Welsh Government, specifically, as well as the co-ordination between Welsh Government and Whitehall. We in Plaid Cymru, as you've already heard, had commissioned research already that has identified many quite fundamental questions, and some of these are pertinent in order to learn lessons within the pandemic to deal with other peaks. If the Welsh Government has failed to learn lessons from operation Cygnus in 2016 before the beginning of this pandemic, can they at least show that they have learnt from those now? We will need to know what impact international travel into Wales at the beginning of the pandemic had in order to know what impact that could have on a second possible peak, where international travel will be happening more than it is at the moment. We need to learn from the slowness in raising the risk level. There is clear evidence that lockdown was called too late, and we may need to call lockdown again in the future and we would need to do that sooner. Those kinds of decisions may have to be made within months, so people do need to have confidence that lessons have been learnt. The Welsh Government decided not to follow some of the most fundamental guidance of WHO. We need to know why, and when do they think the WHO guidance is to be followed and when it isn't, not in order to be able to point the finger at some point in the future, but to learn lessons now. There are questions about the communication strategy of the Government and how we give people confidence in PPE processes, for example; even if the Government is confident, 'Yes, we've learnt lessons from those early days,' there is real benefit in giving the public that confidence too, and of course, our key workers. I could go on. Those are things we want to look at in the short term. When we look at the mid term and the longer term, then the list of questions will be far longer: what went wrong with testing? What went wrong with PPE in the preparations for a pandemic of this kind? We need an inquiry. It needs to be judge-led. We need it to commence as soon as possible. We need it to report back in an interim fashion soon so that we can learn lessons, although a full inquiry, of course, will take longer, and that's why we have tabled amendment 3 today. We do need an unquestioning commitment from Government to that, in order to give the public confidence.
Welsh: Yn gyntaf, mae'r rhai sydd yn gwneud sylw fel yna, dwi'n meddwl, yn amlwg yn cymryd yn ganiataol y bydd yna ymchwiliad, ac mi fydd yna, fel y dywedodd Adam Price yn gynharach, does yna ddim cwestiwn ynglŷn â'r angen am ymchwiliad. A dweud y gwir, mi fydd angen ymchwiliadau ar sawl lefel. Ond, dwi ddim yn meddwl bod modd gwahanu cweit mor hawdd â hynny yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd efo beth sydd ar ôl i'w ddysgu a beth sydd ar ôl i'w wneud. Y cynharaf dŷn ni'n gallu dysgu rhai gwersi, y gorau, achos mae'r pandemig yn parhau ac mi fydd efo ni am sbel; mae'r risg yn dal yn sylweddol ac mi fydd am sbel. Mae yna sôn, wrth gwrs, am o leiaf ail begwn o'r pandemig yn y misoedd i ddod, a dyna pam y gwnaeth Plaid Cymru gynnig wythnosau yn ôl erbyn hyn y dylai'r gwaith ar sefydlu ymchwiliad wedi'i arwain gan farnwr ddechrau ar unwaith, a bod gwerth gwirioneddol i hynny, yn ychwanegol wrth gwrs at y gwaith sgrwtini dŷn ni'n ei wneud fel Senedd. Yr awgrym gan y Llywodraeth, yr awgrym gafodd ei wneud gan y Prif Weinidog heddiw, oedd y buasai barnwr a'i dîm yn mynd o dan draed rywsut, yn cael yn y ffordd, yn amharu ar y gwaith ymarferol o frwydro pandemig. Dwi'n ddigon hyderus y byddai tîm ymchwil yn gallu gweithredu mewn ffordd sydd nid yn unig ddim yn ymyrryd efo'r gwaith, ond fyddai'n gallu helpu yn yr hir dymor drwy gael gwybodaeth real-time o beth sy'n digwydd. Does neb yn awgrymu bod sgrwtini ganddon ni yn cael yn ffordd y gwaith o ddelio efo'r pandemig; mae sgrwtini yn bwysig. Mi fyddai ymchwiliad o'r math yr ŷm ni'n sôn amdano yn gallu cynnig canllawiau ar gyfer unrhyw bandemig arall; hefyd, dim cweit mewn real time yn y ffordd dŷn ni'n ei wneud o fel Senedd, ond i amserlen llawer, llawer tynnach nag y mae'r Llywodraeth i weld yn dymuno'i weld yn digwydd, ac y byddai yna adborth yn dod yn ôl ar gyfer tonnau neu peaks hwyrach o'r pandemig yma. Mi fyddai angen, wrth gwrs, ymchwiliadau i fethiannau hysbys iawn Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig yn rhedeg ochr yn ochr efo heddiw. Dwi'n gobeithio cawn ni gefnogaeth i welliant 4 yn enw Siân Gwenllian heddiw, sy'n gwneud y pwynt hwnnw, ond sôn ydyn ni fan hyn am edrych ar ymateb Llywodraeth Cymru, yn benodol, yn ogystal â'r cydlynu sydd wedi bod rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru, wrth gwrs, a Whitehall. Dŷn ni ym Mhlaid Cymru, fel dŷn ni wedi clywed, wedi comisiynu a chyhoeddi gwaith ymchwil yn barod sy'n adnabod nifer fawr o gwestiynau eithaf sylfaenol, ac mae rhai o'r rheini yn berthnasol er mwyn dysgu gwersi o fewn y pandemig ar gyfer peaks eraill. Os oedd Llywodraeth Cymru wedi methu â dysgu gwersi o operation Cygnus yn 2016 cyn dechrau'r pandemig yma, ydyn nhw o leiaf yn gallu dangos eu bod nhw wedi dysgu ohonyn nhw erbyn rŵan? Mi fydd angen gwybod pa effaith a gafodd teithio rhyngwladol i mewn i Gymru ar ddechrau'r pandemig yma er mwyn gwybod pa effaith all hynny gael ar ail don bosib, pan fydd teithio rhyngwladol wedi dechrau mwy yn sicr nag y mae o ar hyn o bryd. Mae angen dysgu o'r arafwch oedd yna i godi'r lefel risg er mwyn gallu ymateb yn gynt y tro nesaf. Mae yna dystiolaeth glir bod lockdown wedi ei alw yn rhy hwyr; mi all fod angen galw lockdown eto yn y dyfodol, a'r tro yma, byddai angen gwneud yn gynt. Mi allai'r mathau yna o benderfyniadau fod angen eu gwneud o fewn misoedd, felly mae pobl angen hyder bod gwersi wedi cael eu dysgu'n barod. Mi benderfynodd Llywodraeth Cymru i beidio dilyn rhai o ganllawiau mwyaf sylfaenol y WHO. Dŷn ni angen gwybod pam, a phryd maen nhw'n meddwl mai canllawiau'r WHO ydy'r rhai i'w dilyn, a phryd dŷn nhw ddim. Nid er mwyn gallu pwyntio'r bys rywbryd yn y dyfodol pell, ond er mwyn gallu dysgu gwersi rŵan. Mae yna gwestiynau am strategaeth gyfathrebu'r Llywodraeth am sut i roi hyder i bobl mewn prosesau rhannu PPE, er enghraifft; hynny ydy, hyd yn oed os ydy'r Llywodraeth yn hyderus, 'Ydyn, dŷn ni wedi dysgu gwersi o'r dyddiau cynnar,' mae yna fudd go iawn mewn rhoi'r hyder yna i'r cyhoedd, ac wrth gwrs i weithwyr allweddol. Mi allwn i fynd ymlaen; y pethau byr dymor rydyn ni eisiau atebion iddyn nhw ydy'r rheina. Pan ddaw hi i'r tymor canolig a'r hir dymor, wrth gwrs, mae'r rhestr o gwestiynau yn llawer, llawer hirach: beth aeth o'i le efo profi? Beth aeth o'i le efo PPE a'r paratoi am bandemig o'r math yma ac ati? Dŷn ni angen ymchwiliad wedi'i arwain gan farnwr. Dŷn ni angen iddo fo ddechrau cyn gynted â phosibl. Dŷn ni angen iddo fo adrodd yn ôl mewn ffyrdd interim yn fuan er mwyn dysgu gwersi yn fuan, er y bydd ymchwiliad llawn, wrth gwrs, yn cymryd hirach, a dyna pam cyflwyno gwelliant 3 heddiw. Mae angen ymrwymiad digwestiwn y Llywodraeth, dwi'n meddwl, i hynny, er mwyn rhoi, fel dwi'n dweud, hyder i'r cyhoedd.