techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Llywydd, I'm going to resist the temptation to talk in my response about the benefits or disbenefits that I see of either voting system, because I genuinely think that this is a matter for local authorities to decide themselves, but, of course, the issues that Sam Rowlands has described will be amongst the thinking of those local authorities, as will the other issues that have been raised this afternoon. The motion does make a comment on the electoral system for Scottish local elections, and, of course, the Scottish Parliament made their choice, and, of course, we would respect that, but we have legislated here in Wales to allow every local authority to weigh up those arguments for themselves and to choose whether they prefer the single transferrable vote or the first-past-the-post system, and I do think that that local choice is paramount here. So, in conclusion, through the Local Government and Elections (Wales) Act 2021, the Welsh Government has provided for greater diversity and choice in local democracy, and this includes extending the franchise for local elections, introducing a duty for local government to encourage participation in decision making, and giving each principal council the choice of which voting system best suits the needs of their communities. Our colleagues in local government and the communities they serve would want to keep that choice, and I think it would be completely out of step with our principles of electoral reform to try and promote or to impose one single system across the whole of Wales. Thank you to colleagues for a really excellent debate.
Welsh: Lywydd, rwy'n mynd i wrthsefyll y demtasiwn i siarad yn fy ymateb am y manteision neu'r anfanteision a welaf gyda'r naill system bleidleisio neu'r llall, oherwydd credaf yn wirioneddol mai mater i awdurdodau lleol yw penderfynu drostynt eu hunain, ond wrth gwrs, bydd y materion y mae Sam Rowlands wedi'u disgrifio ym meddwl yr awdurdodau lleol hynny, fel y bydd y materion eraill a godwyd y prynhawn yma. Mae'r cynnig yn gwneud sylw ar y system etholiadol ar gyfer etholiadau lleol yr Alban, ac wrth gwrs, gwnaeth Senedd yr Alban eu dewis, a byddem yn parchu hynny wrth reswm, ond rydym wedi deddfu yma yng Nghymru i ganiatáu i bob awdurdod lleol bwyso a mesur y dadleuon hynny drostynt eu hunain a dewis a yw'n well ganddynt y bleidlais sengl drosglwyddadwy neu system y cyntaf i'r felin, a chredaf fod y dewis lleol hwnnw'n hollbwysig yma. Felly, i gloi, drwy Ddeddf Llywodraeth Leol ac Etholiadau (Cymru) 2021, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi darparu ar gyfer mwy o amrywiaeth a dewis mewn democratiaeth leol, ac mae hyn yn cynnwys ymestyn yr etholfraint ar gyfer etholiadau lleol, cyflwyno dyletswydd ar lywodraeth leol i annog pobl i gymryd rhan yn y broses o wneud penderfyniadau, a rhoi'r dewis i bob prif gyngor pa system bleidleisio sy'n gweddu orau i anghenion eu cymunedau. Byddai ein cydweithwyr mewn llywodraeth leol a'r cymunedau y maent yn eu gwasanaethu am gadw'r dewis hwnnw, a chredaf y byddai'n gwbl groes i'n hegwyddorion diwygio etholiadol i geisio hyrwyddo neu osod un system sengl ledled Cymru gyfan. Diolch i fy nghyd-Aelodau am ddadl ragorol iawn.
English: May I first of all thank everyone who has contributed to this debate? I am aware that the clock is against me, but I will try and respond to some of the points that haven't been covered. It's good to see that Gareth Davies has returned to the Chamber, having left for most of the debate, having made his intervention. It would have been handy for you to be here to hear the fact, of course, that only three seats have been uncontested in Scotland since 2007. Fifteen years - that's just three seats. We almost had 100 in Wales just in the last election. So, you know, it does make a very real difference when it comes to that issue of uncontested seats, and it is disappointing that Sam Rowlands tried to misinterpret, shall we say, the fall in the vote, as was explained by Heledd Fychan. I can share an analysis by the LSE if he chooses -
Welsh: Gaf i yn y lle cyntaf ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu i'r ddadl yma? Dwi'n ymwybodol bod y cloc yn fy erbyn i, braidd, ond fe wnaf i drio ymateb i rai o'r pwyntiau sydd ddim wedi cael ymateb iddyn nhw. Mae'n dda gweld bod Gareth Davies wedi dod nôl i'r Siambr ar ôl gadael am y rhan fwyaf o'r drafodaeth ar ôl gwneud ei ymyriad. Mi fyddai wedi bod yn handi ichi fod yma i glywed y ffaith, wrth gwrs, taw dim ond tair sedd sydd wedi cael eu hymladd yn ddiwrthwynebiad - wel, dydych chi ddim yn ymladd seddi, ond rŷch chi'n gwybod beth dwi'n meddwl - yn yr Alban ers 2007. Pymtheg mlynedd - tair sedd ddiwrthwynebiad. Cawsom ni bron i 100 o seddi diwrthwynebiad yng Nghymru dim ond yn yr etholiad diwethaf. Felly, mae e yn gwneud gwahaniaeth gwirioneddol pan fo'n dod i hynny, ac mae hi yn siomedig bod Sam Rowlands wedi trio camddehongli, efallai, dywedwn ni, ie, y cwymp yn y bleidlais, fel esboniodd Heledd Fychan. Fe allaf i rannu dadansoddiad gan yr LSE os ydy e eisiau -
English: Yes, I will allow you some additional time for the intervention.
Welsh: Iawn, fe gewch chi amser ychwanegol i gymryd ymyriad.
English: I'm sorry for intervening again, but I just want to be clear: the numbers that I shared were a four-year period. I wasn't picking individual years. So, the difference between the two prior years, or the two prior elections and the two post elections were the numbers I quoted 8 per cent for.
Welsh: Mae'n ddrwg gennyf am ymyrryd eto, ond rwyf am fod yn glir: roedd y niferoedd a rannais ar gyfer cyfnod o bedair blynedd. Nid oeddwn yn dewis blynyddoedd unigol. Felly, y gwahaniaeth rhwng y ddwy flynedd flaenorol, neu'r ddau etholiad cynt a'r ddau etholiad wedyn oedd y niferoedd y dyfynnais 8 y cant ar eu cyfer.
English: The Act that -
Welsh: Mi basiwyd Deddf Llywodraeth -
English: No, sorry, Mike - I am up against time, I'm afraid.
Welsh: Na, mae'n ddrwg gennyf, Mike - rwy'n brin o amser, mae arnaf ofn.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object?[ Objection.] Yes. I will defer voting on the motion until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, rŷn ni'n gohirio'r bleidlais tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: Item 6 is the next item, the debate on the petition to save Cowbridge intermediate school for girls from demolition. I call on the Chair of the Petitions Committee to move the motion - Jack Sargeant.
Welsh: Eitem 6 yw'r eitem nesaf, y ddadl ar ddeiseb i arbed yr hen ysgol ganolradd i ferched y Bont-faen rhag ei dymchwel. Galw ar Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Deisebau i wneud y cynnig - Jack Sargeant.
English: Thank you very much, Llywydd. On behalf of the Petitions Committee, thank you very much for the opportunity to put forward this debate.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd. Ar ran y Pwyllgor Deisebau, diolch am y cyfle i gyflwyno'r ddadl hon.
English: We also know, from the work the Petitions Committee has done on the petition P-05-1112, 'Help Welsh Communities Buy Community Assets: Implement Part 5 Chapter 3 of the Localism Act 2011', that the Welsh Government is working with other partners to find ways of making it viable for communities to take over community buildings and facilities. Now, I recognise that that won't be a solution for the Cowbridge school campaigners, but I do hope, in the long term, this might create another route for communities to preserve and sustain the landmark buildings they so much value. Acting Llywydd in the Chair now, I do look forward to hearing Members' contributions from across the Chamber, and, of course, I look forward to the Minister's response regarding preserving buildings of significance in communities right across Wales. Diolch yn fawr.
Welsh: Gwyddom hefyd, o'r gwaith y mae'r Pwyllgor Deisebau wedi'i wneud ar y ddeiseb P-05-1112, 'Helpwch gymunedau yng Nghymru i brynu asedau cymunedol: Gweithredwch Ran 5, Pennod 3 o Ddeddf Lleoliaeth 2011' fod Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio gyda phartneriaid eraill i ddod o hyd i ffyrdd o'i gwneud yn bosibl i gymunedau gael meddiant ar adeiladau a chyfleusterau cymunedol. Nawr, rwy'n cydnabod na fydd hynny'n ateb i ymgyrchwyr ysgolion y Bont-faen, ond rwy'n gobeithio, yn hirdymor, y gallai hyn greu llwybr arall i gymunedau allu cadw a chynnal yr adeiladau nodedig sydd mor werthfawr iddynt. Lywydd dros dro yn y Gadair yn awr, edrychaf ymlaen at glywed cyfraniadau'r Aelodau o bob rhan o'r Siambr, ac wrth gwrs, edrychaf ymlaen at ymateb y Gweinidog ynghylch cadw adeiladau o bwys mewn cymunedau ledled Cymru. Diolch yn fawr.
English: As an intervention there, on the point you make, Darren Millar, Samuel Kurtz and I met with the Baptist Union of Wales last week, and the issues that chapels are having with Cadw, of being unable to renovate the buildings at all and then the chapel closes and everything goes and the building is demolished. It's not fit for purpose at the moment.
Welsh: Fel ymyriad yno, ar y pwynt a wnewch, cyfarfu Darren Millar, Samuel Kurtz a minnau ag Undeb Bedyddwyr Cymru yr wythnos diwethaf, a'r problemau y mae capeli'n eu cael gyda Cadw, o ran methu adnewyddu'r adeiladau o gwbl ac yna mae'r capel yn cau ac mae popeth yn mynd a'r adeilad yn cael ei ddymchwel. Nid yw'r system yn addas i'r diben ar hyn o bryd.
English: It isn't fit for purpose, and I know that the Minister will probably refer to the fact that local listing can take place via local authorities, but many local authorities simply don't have the time, energy or capacity, unfortunately, to develop their local lists. So, I think what we could really do with is to have Cadw introduce another category of listing, perhaps a grade III-type list, which affords these buildings that little bit of extra protection that they deserve. And both of these particular properties that I've referred to in this debate, both of them are actually listed on the Coflein website, which, of course, is the online database of the national monuments records for Wales. If they're important enough to be on that list, then surely they ought to be afforded some protection. So, I would be grateful, Minister, if you, in your contribution to this debate, could give serious consideration to perhaps introducing that grade III listing, which does take place in Scotland, but doesn't here in Wales, and I think it would give us the protection that we need.
Welsh: Nid yw'n addas i'r diben, a gwn y bydd y Gweinidog, mae'n debyg, yn cyfeirio at y ffaith y gall rhestru lleol ddigwydd drwy awdurdodau lleol, ond nid oes gan lawer o awdurdodau lleol amser, egni na chapasiti, yn anffodus, i ddatblygu eu rhestrau lleol. Felly, credaf mai'r hyn y gallem wneud ag ef mewn gwirionedd yw cael Cadw i gyflwyno categori rhestru arall, rhestr gradd III efallai, sy'n rhoi'r ychydig bach o warchodaeth ychwanegol y maent yn ei haeddu i'r adeiladau hyn. Ac mae'r ddau eiddo penodol y cyfeiriais atynt yn y ddadl hon wedi'u rhestru ar wefan Coflein, sef cronfa ddata ar-lein cofnodion henebion cenedlaethol Cymru, wrth gwrs. Os ydynt yn ddigon pwysig i fod ar y rhestr honno, dylid rhoi rhywfaint o warchodaeth iddynt. Felly, byddwn yn ddiolchgar, Weinidog, pe gallech chi, yn eich cyfraniad i'r ddadl hon, roi ystyriaeth ddifrifol i gyflwyno rhestr gradd III efallai, fel sy'n digwydd yn yr Alban, ond nid yw'n digwydd yma yng Nghymru, a chredaf y byddai'n rhoi'r warchodaeth sydd ei hangen arnom.
English: I now call on the Deputy Minister for arts and sport, Dawn Bowden.
Welsh: Galwaf yn awr ar y Dirprwy Weinidog celfyddydau a chwaraeon, Dawn Bowden.
English: Thank you. Can I first of all thank all those Members who have spoken in this debate this afternoon, and for highlighting the strength of feeling towards this former school? And I do understand the strength of feeling that has been expressed, and I've had a similar issue myself, in my own constituency, with the Hoover building, which is hugely important to Merthyr Tydfil for all the reasons that anybody who knows about the history of Merthyr Tydfil will understand. But that's never been listed for all the reasons that I'll come on to now. So, I do fully acknowledge the historical interest of the school, and I agree it will be a huge shame to see it demolished. However, to be listed by the Welsh Government, a building must demonstrate architectural and historic qualities of national significance. So, it has to meet both those criteria, as set out in that national listing criteria. This building has effectively been assessed against the listing criteria three times: first, as part of the national community listing resurvey of Cowbridge in 1999, then by Cadw historic buildings specialists in response to a request in 2018, and again by an independent expert in 2020. The later assessments included the careful scrutiny of all the evidence provided by the campaigners. The conclusion was that, unfortunately, the criteria are not met in this instance. The assessment - [ Interruption ].
Welsh: Diolch. A gaf fi ddiolch yn gyntaf i'r holl Aelodau sydd wedi siarad yn y ddadl hon y prynhawn yma, ac am dynnu sylw at gryfder y teimlad ynghylch yr hen ysgol hon? Ac rwy'n deall cryfder y teimlad a fynegwyd, ac wedi cael achos tebyg fy hun, yn fy etholaeth, gydag adeilad Hoover, sy'n hynod bwysig i Ferthyr Tudful am yr holl resymau y bydd unrhyw un sy'n gwybod am hanes Merthyr Tudful yn eu deall. Ond nid yw hwnnw erioed wedi ei restru am yr holl resymau y dof atynt yn awr. Felly, rwy'n llwyr gydnabod diddordeb hanesyddol yr ysgol, ac rwy'n cytuno y bydd yn drueni mawr ei gweld yn cael ei dymchwel. Fodd bynnag, i'w restru gan Lywodraeth Cymru, rhaid i adeilad ddangos rhinweddau pensaernïol a hanesyddol o arwyddocâd cenedlaethol. Felly, rhaid iddo fodloni'r ddau faen prawf hynny, fel y nodir yn y meini prawf rhestru cenedlaethol. Mae'r adeilad hwn i bob pwrpas wedi'i asesu yn erbyn y meini prawf rhestru dair gwaith: yn gyntaf, fel rhan o ailarolwg cenedlaethol o restru cymunedol y Bont-faen ym 1999, yna gan arbenigwyr adeiladau hanesyddol Cadw mewn ymateb i gais yn 2018, ac eto gan arbenigwr annibynnol yn 2020. Roedd yr asesiadau diweddarach yn cynnwys craffu gofalus ar yr holl dystiolaeth a ddarparwyd gan yr ymgyrchwyr. Y casgliad oedd, yn anffodus, nad yw'r meini prawf wedi eu bodloni yn yr achos hwn. Yr asesiad - [ Torri ar draws ].
English: I wonder if I could challenge you, Minister, to say that this is missing the point. Because it does not meet the criteria for sustainability, which is reduce, re-use, recycle. So, the Cadw framework needs to change, or the planning system needs to change, to capture that.
Welsh: Tybed a gaf eich herio, Weinidog, drwy ddweud bod hyn yn methu'r pwynt. Oherwydd nid yw'n bodloni'r meini prawf ar gyfer cynaliadwyedd, sef arbed, ailddefnyddio ac ailgylchu. Felly, mae angen i fframwaith Cadw newid, neu mae angen i'r system gynllunio newid, er mwyn cynnwys hynny.
English: Okay. If I carry on, I may cover some of those points. But the conclusion was that, unfortunately, the criteria are not met in this instance. The assessment - contrary, Darren, to the point that you raised - did recognise the historical importance of the introduction of intermediate schools for girls, but architecturally, this building has undergone extensive change, both historically and in more recent times. The better preserved a building is architecturally, the better it is able to illustrate its history and to contribute to our national story. This building no longer survives as built, its form has been compromised by large-scale alterations in 1909 and more recently, as recently as a few years ago, with the insertion of UPVC windows. Now, while I note the call for a new category of listing, I don't share the view that reducing the threshold for listing to capture buildings such as Cowbridge school is appropriate. This would undermine the integrity of those buildings that have already been identified as being of national importance. There are already 30,000 listed buildings in Wales, more than any other UK nation in proportion to the size of its population.
Welsh: O'r gorau. Os caf barhau, efallai y byddaf yn ymdrin â rhai o'r pwyntiau hynny. Ond yn anffodus, y casgliad oedd nad yw'r meini prawf yn cael eu bodloni yn yr achos hwn. Roedd yr asesiad - yn groes i'r pwynt a godwyd gennych chi, Darren - yn cydnabod pwysigrwydd hanesyddol cyflwyno ysgolion canolradd i ferched, ond yn bensaernïol, mae'r adeilad wedi newid yn helaeth, yn hanesyddol ac yn fwy diweddar. Y gorau y bydd adeilad wedi'i gadw yn bensaernïol, gorau oll y gall ddangos ei hanes a chyfrannu at ein stori genedlaethol. Nid yw'r adeilad hwn bellach yn goroesi yn y ffordd y'i hadeiladwyd, mae ei ffurf wedi ei newid gan newidiadau ar raddfa fawr yn 1909 ac yn fwy diweddar, mor ddiweddar ag ychydig flynyddoedd yn ôl, pan gafodd ffenestri UPVC eu gosod. Nawr, er fy mod yn nodi'r alwad am gategori rhestru newydd, nid wyf yn rhannu'r farn fod gostwng y trothwy ar gyfer rhestru i gynnwys adeiladau fel ysgol y Bont-faen yn briodol. Byddai hyn yn tanseilio uniondeb yr adeiladau y nodwyd eu bod eisoes o bwysigrwydd cenedlaethol. Ceir 30,000 o adeiladau rhestredig yng Nghymru eisoes, mwy nag unrhyw wlad arall yn y DU yn ôl maint ei phoblogaeth.
English: I'm very grateful to you for taking the intervention. Doesn't the fact that many of these buildings are being listed on Coflein, the national database of historic monuments, tell us that there is a special place for these buildings in our nation and there does deserve to be a level of protection for them that makes us think twice, three times, four times before we decide to demolish them? That is why attaching another grade - . We've got grade I listed, which are the absolute belters, if you like, the ones that we really do have to do everything to protect and never let go to rack and ruin; grade II, a slightly different standard, but things in place to protect them. Grade III could be a different level of protection. Do you accept that that is something you could look at?
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i chi am gymryd yr ymyriad. Onid yw'r ffaith bod llawer o'r adeiladau hyn yn cael eu rhestru ar Coflein, y gronfa ddata genedlaethol o henebion hanesyddol, yn dweud wrthym fod lle arbennig i'r adeiladau hyn yn ein gwlad a'u bod yn haeddu lefel o warchodaeth sy'n gwneud inni feddwl ddwywaith, dair gwaith, bedair gwaith cyn inni benderfynu eu dymchwel? Dyna pam y mae gosod gradd arall - . Mae gennym adeilad rhestredig gradd I, sef y goreuon os mynnwch, y rhai y mae'n rhaid inni wneud popeth i'w gwarchod a pheidio byth â gadael iddynt fynd â'u pen iddynt; gradd II, safon ychydig yn wahanol, ond bod pethau yn eu lle i'w gwarchod. Gallai Gradd III fod yn lefel wahanol o warchodaeth. A ydych yn derbyn bod hynny'n rhywbeth y gallech edrych arno?
English: I now call on Jack Sargeant as Chair of the Petitions Committee to respond.
Welsh: Galwaf yn awr ar Jack Sargeant fel Cadeirydd y Pwyllgor Deisebau i ymateb.
English: The motion is therefore to agree to note the petition. Does anybody object? No. Okay.
Welsh: Y cynnig felly yw cytuno i nodi'r ddeiseb. A oes unrhyw un yn gwrthwynebu? Nac oes. Iawn.
English: We shall move on now to item 7, the Welsh Conservatives debate on local government funding. I call on Sam Rowlands to move the motion.
Welsh: Symudwn ymlaen yn awr at eitem 7, dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig ar ariannu llywodraeth leol. Galwaf ar Sam Rowlands i wneud y cynnig.
English: I have selected the amendment to the motion. I call on the Minister for Finance and Local Government to formally move amendment 1, tabled in the name of Lesley Griffiths.
Welsh: Rwyf wedi dethol y gwelliant i'r cynnig. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Cyllid a Llywodraeth Leol i gynnig gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Lesley Griffiths, yn ffurfiol.
English: You're out of time now. Can I ask you now to bring it to a close?
Welsh: Mae eich amser ar ben yn awr. A gaf fi ofyn i chi ddirwyn i ben yn awr?
English: Oh, sorry. I've only got a couple of sentences left. They are fundamentally, intrinsically, linked. So, local government - it is fundamentally important that it has to have a sustainable future. The Welsh Government urgently needs to commission an independent review of the formula. If it can't or won't agree to this, they should at least open a consultation on the funding formula, in the same way they're reviewing council tax. Thank you.
Welsh: O, mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Dim ond brawddeg neu ddwy sydd gennyf ar ôl. Maent wedi'u cysylltu'n sylfaenol, yn gynhenid. Felly, llywodraeth leol - mae'n hanfodol bwysig iddo gael dyfodol cynaliadwy. Mae angen i Lywodraeth Cymru gomisiynu adolygiad annibynnol o'r fformiwla ar frys. Os nad yw'n gallu, neu os nad yw'n cytuno i wneud hynny, dylent o leiaf agor ymgynghoriad ar y fformiwla ariannu, yn yr un modd ag y maent yn adolygu'r dreth gyngor. Diolch.
English: Just to remember that those people that go over are taking time from the others who want to come in. I want to now call Carolyn Thomas.
Welsh: Cofiwch fod y bobl sy'n mynd dros yr amser yn mynd ag amser oddi wrth y lleill sydd am gyfrannu. Galwaf ar Carolyn Thomas yn awr.
English: Yes, indeed.
Welsh: Gwnaf yn wir.
English: They've got to provide care; it's a statutory requirement. If they don't do that, they're breaking the law - the Gloucester judgment, as Sam will tell you.
Welsh: Mae'n rhaid iddynt ddarparu gofal; mae'n ofyniad statudol. Os na wnânt hynny, maent yn torri'r gyfraith - dyfarniad Gloucester, fel y bydd Sam yn dweud wrthych.
English: Thanks for the intervention there, Mike. So, how many people are now experiencing loneliness and isolation because the day centre is closed, or because the local library has just shut up shop? What will happen to those communities whose community centres have closed and how will digital inclusion suffer as more and more services are forced online because of the cost-saving measures? Our councils provide the majority of services that the public rely on, yet they are faced with the tough choices to cut back or pass the funding burden on to a public already paying too much. We need fairer funding for local government, funding that is fair to taxpayers but at the same time allows for high-quality public services, and I urge you to support our motion tonight. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch am yr ymyriad, Mike. Felly, faint o bobl sydd bellach yn teimlo'n unig ac wedi eu hynysu oherwydd bod y ganolfan ddydd ar gau, neu am fod y llyfrgell leol newydd gau ei drws? Beth fydd yn digwydd i'r cymunedau y mae eu canolfannau cymunedol wedi cau a sut y bydd cynhwysiant digidol yn dioddef wrth i fwy a mwy o wasanaethau gael eu gorfodi ar-lein oherwydd mesurau arbed costau? Ein cynghorau sy'n darparu'r rhan fwyaf o'r gwasanaethau y mae'r cyhoedd yn dibynnu arnynt, ac eto hwy sy'n wynebu'r dewisiadau anodd i dorri'n ôl neu drosglwyddo'r baich ariannu i'r cyhoedd sydd eisoes yn talu gormod. Mae arnom angen cyllid tecach i lywodraeth leol, cyllid sy'n deg i drethdalwyr ond ar yr un pryd yn caniatáu ar gyfer gwasanaethau cyhoeddus o ansawdd uchel, ac rwy'n eich annog i gefnogi ein cynnig heno. Diolch.
English: It's very noisy over there. I now call on the final speaker, Janet Finch-Saunders.
Welsh: Mae'n swnllyd iawn acw. Galwaf yn awr ar y siaradwr olaf, Janet Finch-Saunders.
English: Can you bring it to a conclusion?
Welsh: A wnewch chi dynnu tua'r terfyn?
English: Gosh, I will indeed [ Laughter.] I will. Diolch, acting Llywydd. All I would say: come on, we've got a third of new Members in this Senedd now, we've got new talent, who've had experience on local authorities. If you wouldn't listen to me, listen to them. Thank you.
Welsh: Ewcs, gwnaf yn wir [ Chwerthin.] Fe wnaf. Diolch, Lywydd dros dro. Y cyfan y byddwn yn ei ddweud yw: dewch, mae gennym draean o Aelodau newydd yn y Senedd yn awr, mae gennym dalent newydd, sydd wedi cael profiad mewn awdurdodau lleol. Os nad ydych am wrando arnaf i, gwrandewch arnynt hwy. Diolch.