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English: Thank you very much. I was going to confirm what Andrew said earlier about the independent sector and how it's going to look in the future as we move forward. That's a very obvious challenge and Andrew outlined that. But what I wanted to add was the way in which we look at the sector now, and look at the career paths in that sector, because I think now, side by side with the way they have responded to that challenge, and responded very well to that, it's evident that - I don't think 'sell' is the right word - but we need to sell this as a very positive career path for people, where we recognise it as a profession - the care profession - where we put within the profession the ability to move forward and develop a career in terms of attainment and in terms of the possibility of having academic recognition in that context. And, as Andrew said very clearly, we need very clear parity between health and social care in terms of the workforce, in terms of their remuneration and the recognition of the value of the profession. We need to develop that, obviously, in the face of the superb way in which they have responded during this pandemic.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Roeddwn i'n mynd i gadarnhau beth mae Andrew wedi'i ddweud eisoes ynglŷn â sut mae'r sector annibynnol yn mynd i edrych yn y dyfodol wrth ein bod ni'n symud ymlaen, ac mae hwnna'n her gwbl amlwg ac mae Andrew wedi amlinellu hynny'n berffaith. Ond beth oeddwn i'n mynd i ychwanegu - beth wnaeth Andrew ychwanegu ar y diwedd - oedd y ffordd rŷm ni'n edrych ar y sector nawr, edrych ar y career paths yna oddi fewn y sector. Achos nawr rwy'n meddwl, wyneb yn wyneb â'r ffordd maen nhw wedi ymateb i'r her, ac ymateb yn rhagorol, mae'n amlwg bod yna fodd nawr i ni - nid 'gwerthu' yw'r gair cywir - ond gwerthu hwn fel career path positif iawn i bobl, lle rŷm ni'n ei gydnabod e yn broffesiwn - gofal - lle rŷm ni'n rhoi o fewn y proffesiwn y gallu i symud ymlaen ac i ddatblygu o ran cyraeddiadau ac o ran y posibilrwydd o gael cydnabyddiaeth academaidd yn ogystal yn y cyd-destun yna. Ac, fel y mae Andrew wedi'i ddweud yn glir iawn, mae angen y cydraddoldeb clir yna nawr rhwng health a social care o ran y gweithlu, o ran eu tâl, ac o ran cydnabyddiaeth o werth y proffesiwn. Mae yna le amlwg i ddatblygu hynny nawr yn wyneb y ffordd rhagorol maen nhw wedi gweithredu yn ystod y pandemig.
English: Thank you. I have one more question, but I just wanted to check whether anyone else wants to come in on that before I move on.
Welsh: Diolch. Mae gen i un cwestiwn arall. Roeddwn i jest eisiau siecio os oedd rhywun arall eisiau dod i mewn ar hynny cyn i fi symud ymlaen.
English: Thank you very much. Looking at another angle of the same sector, what do you think of the impact of the legislation, the Coronavirus Act 2020, which was implemented urgently? Temporarily, that took away some of local authorities' responsibility in terms of the care and support of vulnerable people. So, evidently, this had to be introduced urgently because of the pandemic, but what do you think the impact of that was and do you have any concerns about the impact that that did have? Again, anyone -
Welsh: Diolch. O ystyried - . So, gan edrych ar ongl arall o'r un sector, beth ydych chi'n meddwl bydd ac sydd wedi bod effaith y ddeddfwriaeth, y Coronavirus Act 2020, a oedd wedi gorfod dod i mewn ar frys? Dros dro, roedd hwnna wedi cymryd i ffwrdd rhai o gyfrifoldebau llywodraeth leol dros ofal a chefnogaeth pobl fregus, felly beth ydych chi - ? Eto, yn amlwg roedd hyn wedi gorfod dod mewn ar frys oherwydd y pandemig, ond beth ydych chi'n meddwl oedd effaith hwnna, ac oes yna bryderon gyda chi ynglŷn â'r effaith roedd hwnna wedi ei chael? Eto, unrhyw un -
English: Welcome, everyone, to this latest meeting of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here via video-conferencing on the Zoom application. May I welcome my fellow Members? Thank you very much for attending. Everyone is here, so there are no apologies. So, welcome to all of you from all corners of Wales. This meeting is a virtual meeting, for obvious reasons, with regard to the pandemic, which is the subject of our discussion this morning. This meeting is also bilingual. For those who are using the interpretation facility, there will be a short delay with the equipment after a contribution in Welsh. So, please be a little bit patient before the full sound returns. The microphones are all being controlled centrally, behind the scenes, as it were, and you may see a message on your screen asking you to unmute your microphone so that everyone can hear what you have to say. We're all aware of how fragile the broadband system can be here in Swansea because I've already had some problems this morning. So, if my system should fail once again this morning, then we have already decided that Rhun ap Iorwerth will step into the breach as interim Chair, in the hope that the internet connection in Anglesey will be slightly more robust. So, with those few words of introduction, may I ask if there are any declarations of interest this morning? I see that there are none.
Welsh: Croeso i bawb, felly, i'r cyfarfod diweddaraf o'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma drwy gyfrwng fideogynadledda cyfrwng Zoom. Gaf i groesawu fy nghyd-Aelodau? Diolch yn fawr am eich presenoldeb. Mae pawb yma, felly nid oes unrhyw ymddiheuriadau. Mae pawb yma. Felly, croeso i chi i gyd o bedwar ban Cymru. Yn naturiol, mae'r cyfarfod yma'n gyfarfod rhithwir, am resymau amlwg y pandemig, sef testun y drafodaeth y bore yma. Yn amlwg hefyd, mae'r cyfarfod yma'n ddwyieithog. I'r sawl sydd yn defnyddio'r cyfleuster cyfieithu ar y pryd, mi fydd yna rywfaint o oedi efo'r cyfieithu ar ôl i rywun fod yn siarad Cymraeg, felly ychydig bach o amynedd cyn i'r sain ddod yn ôl yn llawn. Mae'r meicroffonau'n cael eu rheoli'n ganolog, tu ôl y llenni, ac, wrth gwrs, bydd yna neges yn dod i fyny ar y sgrin i chi allu siarad, fel bod pawb yn gallu eich clywed chi. Dŷn ni i gyd yn ymwybodol pa mor fregus mae'r system band-eang yn gallu bod yma yn Abertawe achos dŷn ni wedi cael problemau eisoes bore yma, felly os bydd fy system i'n ffaelu unwaith eto bore yma, dŷn ni wedi penderfynu cyn rŵan y bydd Rhun ap Iorwerth yn camu i fewn i'r bwlch fel Cadeirydd os bydd hynny'n digwydd, gan obeithio y bydd y rhyngrwyd yn Ynys Môn yn llawer cadarnach. Felly, gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, a allaf i ofyn os oes yna unrhyw ddatgan buddiannau ar gyfer bore yma? Nac oes.
English: So, moving on to item 2 and our continuation of our scrutiny of the COVID-19 pandemic and the response to it. This is an evidence session with the Minister and Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, the director general for health and social services and the NHS Wales chief executive. So, to that end, I'm very pleased to welcome to the screen Vaughan Gething, Minister for Health and Social Services; Julie Morgan, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Dr Andrew Goodall, director general of health and social services and chief executive of NHS Wales; and also Albert Heaney, deputy director general of the health and social services group at the Welsh Government. So, a very warm welcome to all of you. As is customary, on the basis of the wide-ranging evidence that we have received over the past few months, we have a whole host of questions as this is a scrutiny session. The first part will last for about an hour and a quarter, before we have a short break, and then we'll have another hour and a quarter or so. So, that is how things will go this morning, and full of excitement, I'm sure. In the context of COVID-19, I'll ask David Rees to start the questioning with regard to personal protective equipment. So, over to David Rees.
Welsh: Felly, eitem 2, yr ymchwiliad, a dŷn ni'n parhau i graffu ar y pandemig COVID-19. Dyma sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda'r Gweinidog a'r Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a chyfarwyddwr cyffredinol iechyd a gwasanaethau cymdeithasol a phrif weithredwr y gwasanaeth iechyd yng Nghymru. Felly, i'r perwyl yna, dwi'n falch iawn i groesawu i'r sgrin Vaughan Gething, y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol; Julie Morgan, y Dirprwy Weinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol; Dr Andrew Goodall, y cyfarwyddwr cyffredinol ar gyfer iechyd a gwasanaethau cymdeithasol a phrif weithredwr y gwasanaeth iechyd yma yng Nghymru; a hefyd Albert Heaney, dirprwy gyfarwyddwr cyffredinol grŵp iechyd a gwasanaethau cymdeithasol Llywodraeth Cymru. Croeso i chi i gyd. Yn ôl ein harfer, ar sail y dystiolaeth eang dŷn ni wedi'i derbyn dros y misoedd diwethaf, mae yna nifer helaeth o gwestiynau, gan taw sesiwn graffu ydy hon. Mi fydd y rhan gyntaf yn para am ryw awr a chwarter, gawn ni egwyl fach wedyn, ac wedyn fydd yna ryw awr a chwarter i ddilyn. Dyna fel aiff y bore, yn llawn cyffro, gobeithio. Yng nghyd-destun COVID-19, fe wnaf i ofyn i David Rees ddechrau'r cwestiynu ynglŷn â chyfarpar diogelu personol. Felly, David Rees.
English: Happy, David? We'll move on to issues with regard to testing and the test, trace, protect system. Rhun ap Iorwerth has questions in this area.
Welsh: Hapus, David? Dyna ni. Symudwn ymlaen rŵan i'r materion yn ymwneud â phrofi a hefyd y system profi, olrhain, diogelu. Mae gan Rhun ap Iorwerth gwestiynau.
English: Before that, if I may, one or two questions with regard to PPE once again: what is the status of the mutual aid agreements between the nations of the United Kingdom now? Over the past few months, we've given attention to barriers put in front of companies providing PPE to dentists and care homes in Wales. So, where are we now? What are the expectations in Wales in terms of what we could derive from the agreements if we're unfortunate enough to be in a situation to need them?
Welsh: Cyn hynny, os caf i, un cwestiwn neu ddau ynglŷn â PPE eto: beth ydy statws y cytundebau mutual aid rhwng gwledydd y Deyrnas Unedig erbyn hyn? Rydyn ni'n gwybod dros y misoedd diwethaf ein bod ni wedi rhoi sylw i barriers yn cael eu gosod o flaen cwmnïau yn darparu PPE i ddeintyddion a chartrefi gofal yng Nghymru. Ble ydyn ni arni erbyn hyn? Beth ydy disgwyliadau Cymru o ran beth allwn ni fod yn ei gael allan o'r cytundebau yma os ydyn ni'n ddigon anffodus i fod eu hangen nhw?
English: Thank you. That's an important point with regard to those who are tracing being trained specifically, not just sitting in a call centre somewhere. So, thank you very much for that. We need to move on, because time is marching on. Angela has questions on the impact of coronavirus on service delivery in general. Angela to begin with, and then Lynne. Angela.
Welsh: Diolch. Ie, mae'n bwynt pwysig, yn enwedig bod y sawl sydd yn olrhain wedi cael eu hyfforddi yn benodol, nid jest yn eistedd mewn rhyw call centre yn rhywle. Diolch am hynna. Symud ymlaen rŵan, achos mae'r amser hefyd yn symud ymlaen. Mae gan Angela gwestiynau ar effaith y coronafeirws ar ddarparu gwasanaethau yn gyffredinol. Angela i ddechrau, ac wedyn Lynne. Angela.
English: Okay. We need to move on in terms of time pressures and so on, so we'll move to another section of questions with regard to service transformation. You've partly touched on this already, but Angela has a few questions, if we could have succinct questions, please, as is usual from Angela.
Welsh: Ocê. Mae'n rhaid i ni symud ymlaen rili yn nhermau amser ac ati, so awn ni'n syth ymlaen i adran arall o gwestiynu yn ymwneud efo trawsnewid gwasanaethau. Rydych chi'n rhannol wedi cyffwrdd efo hwn eisoes, ond mae gan Angela gwpwl o gwestiynau, os ydyn ni'n gallu cael rhai byr a chryno, fel arfer, oddi wrth Angela.
English: Thank you very much. That brings us to the end of the questions. We're out of time, I'm afraid. So, thank you very much to witnesses for your attendance. And, as is customary, you will receive a transcript of the discussions to check for factual accuracy. So, thank you very much to all of you. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Dyna ddiwedd y cwestiynu. Rydyn ni allan o amser. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i'n tystion ni i gyd. Diolch yn fawr am eich presenoldeb ar y sgrin. Ac wrth gwrs, yn ôl ein harfer, mi fyddwch chi yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma i wneud yn siŵr eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir o'ch ochr chi. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd. Diolch yn fawr.
English: To my fellow Members, we'll move on to item 4 on the agenda and the motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting. Is everyone agreed? I see that everyone is indeed agreed. So, that brings us to the end of the public session. Thank you.
Welsh: I'm cyd-Aelodau, fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen i eitem 4 a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 (ix) i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod hwn. Ydy pawb yn gytûn? Dwi'n gweld bod pawb yn gytûn. Felly, dyna ddiwedd y cyfarfod cyhoeddus. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Thank you very much, Chair, and a very good morning to you and thank you for joining us. The most obvious question is: why do we need to do this? Are you of the view that the current curriculum is no longer fit for purpose? And why do we need a complete overhaul of what's taught to our children and young people?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd, a bore da i chi a diolch am ymuno â ni heddiw yma. Y cwestiwn mwyaf amlwg ydy: pam fod angen gwneud hyn? Ydych chi o'r farn nad ydy'r cwricwlwm, fel mae o ar hyn o bryd, yn addas at y diben? A pam fod angen ailwampio yn llwyr, a dweud y gwir, yr hyn sy'n cael ei addysgu i blant a phobl ifanc?
English: And I assume that Sharon and Karen agree that we do need a new curriculum. Can I open out the discussion a little to ask whether, Karen, you believe that the new curriculum will lead to school improvements and raising standards?
Welsh: A dwi'n cymryd bod Sharon a Karen yn cytuno bod angen cwricwlwm newydd. Gaf i ehangu'r drafodaeth ychydig bach, felly, i ofyn: ydych chi'n credu, Karen, y bydd y cwricwlwm newydd yn arwain at wella ysgolion a chodi safonau?
English: Do you have any evidence that the change of curriculum does lead to an improvement in standards and, specifically, narrows the attainment gap? Who'd like to go first?
Welsh: Oes gennych chi dystiolaeth bod newid cwricwlwm yn arwain at godi safonau ac, yn benodol, yn cau'r bwlch cyrhaeddiad? Pwy sydd am ateb?
English: If I could start, then. That's the intention, of course, but we must be cautious how we define attainment here, because the requirements of the twenty-first century are very different to what we were aiming for previously. What's important for me is that children are prepared for the modern world: literacy, numeracy and digital skills. As we have really understood recently, we must all be prepared to work far more digitally than we were in the past, and in a paperless manner too. Therefore, those new fundamental skills have to be addressed, but also we need to open pupils' minds. For me, education is about opening minds; it's not just learning facts - it's opening pupils' minds to the world around them, and I do believe that the ideas underpinning this new curriculum will provide those opportunities to extend horizons, as well as giving the necessary skills for children.
Welsh: Os caf i ddechrau, felly. Dyna'r bwriad ond mae'n rhaid inni fod yn ofalus sut ydyn ni'n diffinio cyrhaeddiad fan hyn, achos mae gofynion mwy modern yr unfed ganrif ar hugain, dwi'n meddwl, yn wahanol iawn i beth roedden ni'n edrych ac yn anelu ato fo cynt. Beth sy'n bwysig i fi ydy bod plant yn cael eu paratoi ar gyfer y byd modern: llythrennedd, rhifedd a'r sgiliau digidol. Fel rydyn ni wedi sylwi'n llawer iawn fwy yn ddiweddar, mae'n rhaid inni gyd fod yn barod i weithio yn llawer mwy digidol nag oedden ni, ac efallai heb bapur hyd yn oed. Wedyn, mae'r sgiliau sylfaenol newydd - mae'n rhaid inni roi sylw iddyn nhw, ond hefyd agor eu meddyliau nhw. I fi, addysg yw agor meddyliau, nid hyfforddiant pur i ddysgu, dysgu, dysgu ffeithiau, ond ein bod ni'n agor eu meddyliau nhw yn fwy i'r byd sydd o'u hamgylch nhw, a dwi'n credu bod y syniadau sydd tu ôl i'r cwricwlwm newydd yma yn mynd i roi'r cyfleoedd yna i ymestyn gorwelion, yn ogystal â rhoi sgiliau angenrheidiol i blant.
English: Well, I agree with that analysis - . Sorry -
Welsh: Iawn. Cytuno efo'r dadansoddiad yna, ond - . Sori -
English: I just wanted to agree with Ellen's point, and we must think back to the Donaldson review. That's where the evidence is. There was a great deal of work done on that, and then the curriculum has emerged from that review, and is based on that.
Welsh: Dim ond i gytuno gyda beth oedd Ellen yn ddweud, a hefyd mae'n rhaid inni gofio nôl i'r Donaldson review. Dyna le mae'r dystiolaeth. Mae gwaith mawr wedi mynd tu ôl i hwnna, ac mae'r cwricwlwm wedyn wedi dod o'r review hynny, yn seiliedig ar y review.
English: But it must lead to raising standards, surely, and closing that attainment gap. That does have to be at the core of why the curriculum is being introduced. Is there sufficient evidence that that will actually happen, and that we will see Wales climbing the Programme for International Student Assessment league tables, for example?
Welsh: Ond mae o'n gorfod arwain at godi safonau, onid ydy, a chau yr attainment gap? Mae hwnna'n gorfod bod yn greiddiol i pam fod angen dod â'r cwricwlwm ymlaen. A oes yna ddigon o dystiolaeth y bydd hynna yn digwydd ac, er enghraifft, y gwelwn ni Gymru yn dringo i fyny'r tablau PISA?
English: That's already started; we have seen from the most recent results that that process has started, and therefore the new curriculum will build on that foundation. And we must bear in mind too that the new curriculum allows every school to plan and develop their own curriculum, and they know their children better than anyone else. Therefore, it should certainly raise standards.
Welsh: Mae hwnna wedi dechrau'n barod; rŷn ni wedi gweld o'r canlyniadau diweddaraf ddaeth mas bod hwnna wedi dechrau, ac felly bydd y cwricwlwm nawr yn adeiladu ar sail hwnna. A hefyd, mae'n rhaid inni gofio gyda'r cwricwlwm newydd, mae fyny i bob ysgol nawr i gynllunio ac i ddatblygu cwricwlwm eu hunain, a nhw sy'n adnabod eu plant nhw yn fwy na neb arall. Felly, fe ddylai, wedyn, godi safonau.
English: That's a fair point, but the consortia will be responsible for that now, not the individual authorities. So, we are working, particularly in ERW; it's a partnership between local authorities and the consortia. But generally speaking, in terms of improvement and professional support, it is provided through the consortia rather than the local authorities, and that's more and more the case now in the way that things are set out. I sit on the consortium board, so we as elected members can have an oversight of how things are going and can ask to see the outcomes and the way in which the attainment gap is being closed, which is so fundamental. This is a new period; it won't start for another two years, of course, but I have heard children at Ysgol Gymraeg Aberystwyth, for example, which is one of the schools that's been piloting this - the children seemed delighted, as were the teachers, in terms of this new way of working. And I do think that teachers can tailor the curriculum according to the needs of individual children within the classroom. In a way, it provides that flexibility to them and it ensures that those children can develop according to their own abilities in getting the best possible attainment for that individual pupil. So, for me, I think it opens doors to working differently and to support children in a more effective manner.
Welsh: Mae hwnna'n bwynt teg, ond y consortia sydd yn gyfrifol am y gwaith yna bellach, nid yr awdurdodau unigol. Felly, rydyn ni'n cydweithio, yn enwedig gyda ni fan hyn yma o dan ERW; mae o'n bartneriaeth rhwng awdurdodau lleol a'r consortia. Ond ar y cyfan, o ran y gwella a'r gefnogaeth broffesiynol yma, mae o'n dod trwy'r consortia yn hytrach na'r awdurdodau yn fwyfwy y dyddiau yma, y ffordd mae pethau wedi'u gosod allan. Ond rydyn ni i gyd - wel, dwi'n eistedd ar fwrdd y consortiwm, felly rydyn ni yn gallu, fel aelodau etholedig, gadw llygad ar y ffordd mae pethau'n mynd a gofyn am weld y canlyniadau a chyrhaeddiad a chau'r bylchau cyrhaeddiad yma, fel sy'n rhaid inni wneud. Mae hwn yn gyfnod newydd. Dydy o ddim yn mynd i ddechrau am ddwy flynedd arall, ond rydw i wedi clywed plant Ysgol Gymraeg Aberystwyth, er enghraifft, sy'n un o'r ysgolion sydd wedi bod yn treialu - roedd y plant i'w gweld wrth eu boddau, a'r athrawon hefyd, â'r ffordd newydd yma o weithio. Ac rydw i'n credu bod athrawon yn gallu teilwra yn ôl yr angen yn fwy manwl, felly - yn ôl angen y plant unigol o fewn y dosbarth. Mewn ffordd, mae o'n rhoi mwy o hyblygrwydd iddyn nhw a'n sicrhau bod y plant yna'n gallu datblygu'n ôl eu galluoedd eu hunain i gael y cyrhaeddiad gorau y gallan nhw ar gyfer y plentyn unigol. So, i fi, rydw i'n credu ei fod e'n agor drysau i weithio'n wahanol ac i gefnogi plant yn well.
English: Can I just ask one question, Ellen? You're an advocate for local government, of course. Are you comfortable with the fact that individual schools now will be far more powerful in terms of drawing up their own curriculum? Doesn't that take the authority away from you in local government?
Welsh: Gaf i ofyn un cwestiwn, Ellen? Rydych chi'n lladmerydd dros lywodraeth leol, onid ydych? Ydych chi'n gyfforddus efo'r ffaith rŵan y bydd ysgolion unigol yn llawer mwy grymus o ran dyfeisio'r cwricwlwm unigol eu hunain? Onid ydy hwnna'n tynnu'r awdurdod oddi wrthoch chi mewn llywodraeth leol?