English: Minister, I think your colleague Lord Hall, who is the chairman of the BBC - I would be grateful if you let him know what the people of Wales, especially the over-75s - . I know it's a totally different legal entity, the BBC, but the people in my region over the age of 75 - they're living singly, some with medical conditions, no relations living with them, and they're living in the areas that certainly need help, and this was a minor help - [ Interruption.] Can you listen, please? This is a little help to them while they're of the age after 75, which is an age when people need it. Some are war veterans; some of those served, worked and helped this nation tremendously, not within the United Kingdom - all over the world. So, we need to help them out. Some have a medical condition. So, Minister - [ Interruption.] No, no. Minister - I am talking to the Minister because he's got to speak to his colleague Lord Hall, who is the chairman of the BBC. Please let this gentleman know what the - [ Interruption.] Actually, this was given as an incentive by the Conservative Party. Why don't you understand? It was not given by Labour; this facility was given by the Tory Party. [ Interruption.] Listen. So, I would like, Minister, to speak - [ Interruption.] Let me speak, please. Presiding Officer, there is something very strange in this Chamber. I would like to give a message that we are all as one on this position, at this stage we are all together, and we're not talking - . I'm not saying a different thing to what the BBC has said. I am trying to work it out. We would like to help the people over the age of 75 to have the same facility carry on forever. Thank you.
Welsh: Weinidog, rwy'n meddwl bod eich cyd-Arglwydd, yr Arglwydd Hall, sy'n gadeirydd y BBC - buaswn yn ddiolchgar pe baech yn rhoi gwybod iddo beth y mae pobl Cymru, yn enwedig y rhai dros 75 oed - . Rwy'n gwybod ei fod yn endid cyfreithiol hollol wahanol, y BBC, ond mae'r bobl yn fy rhanbarth i sydd dros 75 oed - maent yn byw ar eu pen eu hunain, mae gan rai ohonynt gyflyrau meddygol, a heb berthnasau'n byw gyda hwy, ac maent yn byw yn yr ardaloedd sy'n sicr angen help, ac roedd hwn yn help bach - [ Torri ar draws.] A wnewch chi wrando, os gwelwch yn dda? Mae hwn yn help bach iddynt tra maent dros 75 oed, sy'n oed pan fydd pobl ei angen. Mae rhai yn gyn-filwyr rhyfel; mae rhai o'r bobl wedi gwasanaethu, wedi gweithio ac wedi helpu'r wlad hon yn aruthrol, nid yn unig yn y Deyrnas Unedig ond ym mhob cwr o'r byd. Felly, mae angen inni eu helpu. Mae gan rai gyflwr meddygol. Felly, Weinidog - [ T orri ar draws.] Na, na. Weinidog - rwy'n siarad â'r Gweinidog oherwydd mae'n rhaid iddo siarad â'i gyd-Arglwydd, yr Arglwydd Hall, sy'n gadeirydd y BBC. Rhowch wybod i'r gŵr bonheddig hwn beth yw'r - [ T orri ar draws.] Mewn gwirionedd, cafodd hyn ei roi fel cymhelliad gan y Blaid Geidwadol. Pam nad ydych chi'n deall? Ni chafodd ei roi gan Lafur; y blaid Dorïaidd a roddodd y cyfleuster hwn. [ Torri ar draws.] Gwrandewch. Felly, Weinidog, hoffwn siarad - [ T orri ar draws.] Gadewch imi siarad, os gwelwch yn dda. Lywydd, mae rhywbeth rhyfedd iawn yn y Siambr hon. Hoffwn roi neges ein bod i gyd yn unedig ar y safbwynt hwn, ar hyn o bryd rydym i gyd gyda'n gilydd, ac nid ydym yn siarad - . Nid wyf yn dweud rhywbeth gwahanol i'r hyn y mae'r BBC wedi'i ddweud. Rwy'n ceisio'i ddatrys. Hoffem helpu pobl dros 75 oed i gael yr un cyfleuster i barhau am byth. Diolch.