English: The amendment places a duty on Welsh Ministers to make regulations to require the citizen voice body to hold indemnity cover for the benefit of staff and volunteers. I agree that the citizen voice body should decide and plan how to organise its indemnity cover, as should any public body. However, a provision of the type that is suggested is not, in my view, appropriate, and I cannot therefore support it. I reported to the Stage 2 committee proceedings that it will be for the citizen voice body to decide how best to indemnify staff and volunteers. And I made reference to the 'Managing Welsh Public Money' guidance, which is clear that public sector organisations do not, as a general rule, purchase commercial insurance, except where there is a legal obligation to do so. However, it does also allow accounting officers, as part of a risk management strategy, to choose to purchase commercial insurance in certain circumstances. And it is true that the citizen voice body, just as the current community health councils do, will rely on volunteers in a very different way to other public bodies. Such decisions on a risk management strategy should always be made after a cost-benefit analysis, in order to secure value for money. It will therefore be for the chief executive of the new body to decide whether to provide indemnity by bearing the risk or through the purchase of commercial cover. And I have tabled a revised regulatory impact assessment setting that out. I have given the committee the written assurance that the appropriate mechanism for providing indemnity will be determined during the implementation phase of the citizen voice body, including carrying out a cost-benefit analysis. Requiring the body in regulations to obtain indemnity cover would therefore not be appropriate, and would not reflect the principles of 'Managing Welsh Public Money'.
Welsh: Mae'r gwelliant yn gosod dyletswydd ar Weinidogion Cymru i wneud rheoliadau i'w gwneud yn ofynnol i gorff llais y dinesydd feddu ar yswiriant indemniad er budd staff a gwirfoddolwyr. Rwy'n cytuno mai corff llais y dinesydd ddylai benderfynu a chynllunio sut i drefnu ei yswiriant, fel y dylai unrhyw gorff cyhoeddus. Fodd bynnag, nid yw darpariaeth o'r math a awgrymir yn briodol, yn fy marn i, ac felly ni allaf ei chefnogi. Dywedais yn ystod trafodion Cyfnod 2 y pwyllgor mai'r corff llais y dinesydd fydd yn penderfynu ar y ffordd orau o indemnio staff a gwirfoddolwyr. Ac fe gyfeiriais at ganllawiau 'Rheoli Arian Cyhoeddus Cymru', sy'n glir nad yw sefydliadau'r sector cyhoeddus, fel rheol, yn prynu yswiriant masnachol, oni bai bod rhwymedigaeth gyfreithiol i wneud hynny. Fodd bynnag, mae hefyd yn galluogi swyddogion cyfrifo, yn rhan o strategaeth rheoli risg, i ddewis prynu yswiriant masnachol mewn rhai amgylchiadau. Ac mae'n wir y bydd y corff llais y dinesydd, yn union fel yn achos cynghorau iechyd cymuned presennol, yn dibynnu ar wirfoddolwyr mewn ffordd wahanol iawn i gyrff cyhoeddus eraill. Dylai penderfyniadau o'r fath ar strategaeth rheoli risg gael eu gwneud ar ôl dadansoddiad cost a budd bob amser, er mwyn sicrhau gwerth am arian. Felly, prif weithredwr y corff newydd fydd yn penderfynu a ddylid darparu indemniad drwy ysgwyddo'r risg neu drwy brynu yswiriant masnachol. Ac rwyf wedi cyflwyno asesiad effaith rheoleiddiol diwygiedig sy'n nodi hynny. Rwyf wedi rhoi sicrwydd ysgrifenedig i'r pwyllgor y pennir y dull priodol o ddarparu indemniad yn ystod cam gweithredu corff llais y dinesydd, gan gynnwys cynnal dadansoddiad cost a budd. Felly, ni fyddai ei gwneud yn ofynnol mewn rheoliadau i'r corff sicrhau yswiriant indemniad yn briodol, ac ni fyddai'n adlewyrchu egwyddorion 'Rheoli Arian Cyhoeddus Cymru.'