English: We're not quite in the same place with this Bill yet. There are doubts, and we shouldn't ignore those, in terms of why we are doing this, how effective this will be, and we don't have the full evidence yet. But the evidence is strong that using financial incentives - that is, changing the price of drinks - does affect how much people drink, and I support that as a matter of principle, and it has been part of the Plaid Cymru manifesto for some years. Taxation is what we'd choose to use, as I've said before, but we don't have the powers. I hope that we will have the powers someday, but, in the absence of that, setting a minimum unit price is an option that is available to us. So, after succeeding in strengthening the original Bill in several ways in its passage through the Assembly, we will vote in favour of this Bill today becoming an Act. We have strengthened it in many ways by influencing the scrutiny that there will be of this Act by the Assembly to evaluate its effectiveness. It is vital now that the Government brings very clear evidence to us about the appropriate level of the minimum price, and I do regret that the rushed passage of this Bill has failed to allow the kind of scrutiny that I would like to have seen on that price, but there will be another opportunity, through regulations, for us to be able to look again at that evidence, and measuring and evaluation will be vital in order for us to take the people of Wales with us on this journey. We've also insisted that, on the face of the Bill, there is a commitment to teach people about why this legislation can be a part of the suite of tools that we have to help public health. There is a weakness here in the legislation, and I do regret again that the Government has failed to support that, in terms of looking at how we prevent profiting from this Act, as retailers have to sell alcohol for higher prices. We would have liked to have seen something in legislation that would have ensured that money came in the wake of this legislation to be spent on tackling misuse of alcohol and providing treatment for those who do misuse alcohol and those who drink to excess. We will have to look now at a voluntary levy, but I do think that an opportunity has been missed here. Certainly, I, in future, as we scrutinise and look for ways to strengthen this, will be looking for ways to ensure that there isn't any profiteering from this. We've heard several times concerns that people on lower incomes will be disproportionately affected, and I've thought a lot about this. Of course, it is a scandal that people on lower incomes are more likely to suffer disease or illness because of alcohol misuse: it is an example of social injustice and inequality of opportunity, and we have to tackle these issues through a broad range of policy measures. But what about the impact on people who drink to excess now, and the concerns that moderate drinkers on low incomes will suffer unfairly because of the financial cost? I hope that through the programme of education alongside this legislation more and more people over time will see that it will be possible to adapt their drinking habits in a way that will mean that there won't be a financial penalty. I hope that industry will respond by reducing alcohol content, for example. People can drink drinks with a lower alcohol content or drink less. Because there is a message now, through this piece of legislation, that we can't consider alcohol as something benign. Above all, let's see this as a measure for our children. I hope that this legislation will be a tool that can lead to fewer young people in Wales starting to drink to excess, in the way that tougher regulations in the area of smoking has led to a reduction in the number of young smokers. The health of the people of Wales hangs in the balance here.
Welsh: Nid ydym ni cweit yn yr un lle efo'r Bil yma eto. Mae yna amheuon, a waeth i ni beidio ag anwybyddu rheini, ynglŷn â pham ein bod ni yn gwneud hyn, pa mor effeithiol fydd hyn, ac nid ydy'r dystiolaeth gennym ni yn llawn. Ond mae'r dystiolaeth yn gryf bod defnyddio cymhellion ariannol - hynny ydy, newid prisiau diodydd - yn effeithio ar faint mae pobl yn ei yfed, ac rydw i'n cefnogi hynny fel mater o egwyddor, ac mae o wedi bod yn rhan o faniffesto Plaid Cymru ers rhai blynyddoedd. Trethi y byddwn ni'n dewis eu defnyddio, fel rydw i wedi'i ddweud o'r blaen, ond nid ydy'r pwerau gennym ni. Rydw i'n gobeithio y byddan nhw ryw ddydd, ond, yn absenoldeb hynny, mae gosod isafbris yr uned yn opsiwn sydd ar gael i ni. Felly, ar ôl llwyddo i gryfhau'r Bil gwreiddiol mewn sawl ffordd yn ei daith drwy'r Cynulliad, mi bleidleisiwn ni o blaid y Bil yma heddiw iddo ddod yn Ddeddf. Rydym ni wedi'i gryfhau o mewn sawl ffordd drwy ddylanwadu ar y sgrwtini fydd yna o'r Ddeddf yma gan y Cynulliad i werthuso ei effeithlonrwydd. Mae'n hanfodol rŵan bod y Llywodraeth yn dod â thystiolaeth gwbl glir i ni ynglŷn â lefel briodol yr isafbris, ac rydw i'n gresynu bod rhuthr taith y Mesur hwn wedi methu â chaniatáu'r math o sgrwtini y byddwn i wedi dymuno ei gael ar y pris hwnnw, ond mi fydd yna gyfle eto drwy'r rheoliadau i ni allu edrych ar y dystiolaeth honno, ac mi fydd mesur a gwerthuso yn hanfodol er mwyn i ni ddod â phobl Cymru efo ni ar y daith. Rydym ni hefyd wedi mynnu bod yna, ar wyneb y Bil, ymrwymiad i ddysgu ac addysgu pobl ynglŷn â pham bod y ddeddfwriaeth yma yn gallu bod yn rhan o'r swît o arfau sydd gennym ni i helpu ag iechyd y cyhoedd. Mae yna wendid yma yn y Ddeddf, ac rydw i'n gresynu eto bod y Llywodraeth wedi methu â chefnogi hynny, i edrych ar sut i atal elwa ar y Ddeddf yma wrth i fân-werthwyr orfod gwerthu diodydd am brisiau uwch. Mi fyddwn ni wedi dymuno gweld rhywbeth mewn deddfwriaeth a fyddai'n sicrhau bod yna arian yn dod yn sgil y ddeddfwriaeth yma er mwyn gallu cael ei wario ar daclo camddefnydd alcohol a rhoi triniaeth i'r rheini sydd yn camddefnyddio ac yn goryfed. Mi fyddwn ni'n gorfod edrych rŵan ar lefi wirfoddol, ond rydw i yn credu bod yna gyfle wedi cael ei golli yma, ac, yn sicr, mi fyddaf i yn y dyfodol, wrth i ni sgrwtineiddio a chwilio am ffyrdd i gryfhau hyn, yn chwilio am ffyrdd i sicrhau nad oes yna elwa yn digwydd. Rydym ni wedi clywed droeon bryderon y byddai pobl ar incwm is yn cael eu taro'n annheg, ac rydw i wedi meddwl llawer iawn am hyn. Wrth gwrs, mae'n sgandal mai pobl incwm is sydd fwyaf tebyg o ddioddef salwch yn deillio o gamddefnydd alcohol: mae'n enghraifft o'r annhegwch cymdeithasol, yr anghysondeb mewn cyfleon y mae'n rhaid i ni fynd i'r afael â nhw drwy ystod eang o fentrau polisi. Ond beth am yr effaith ar bobl sy'n goryfed rŵan, yr ofnau y bydd yfwyr cymedrol ar incwm is yn dioddef, a hynny'n annheg o ran y gost ariannol? Rydw i'n gobeithio, drwy'r rhaglen o addysgu a ddaw law yn llaw efo'r Ddeddf yma, y bydd pobl - mwy a mwy o bobl, dros amser - yn gweld bod modd iddyn nhw addasu eu harferion yfed mewn ffordd sydd yn golygu na fydd cosb ariannol. Rydw i'n gobeithio y bydd diwydiant yn ymateb drwy ostwng cynnwys alcohol, er enghraifft. Mi all bobl yfed diod efo cynnwys is o alcohol neu yfed rhywfaint yn llai. Oherwydd mae yna neges rŵan drwy'r darn yma o ddeddfwriaeth na allwn ni ystyried alcohol fel rhywbeth benign. Ond, yn bennaf oll, gadewch i ni weld hwn fel mesur ar gyfer ein plant ni. Rydw i'n gobeithio y bydd y Ddeddf yma yn arf a all arwain at lai o bobl ifanc Cymru yn dechrau goryfed, yn y modd mae rheolau llym ym maes ysmygu wedi arwain, heb os, at ostyngiad yn nifer ysmygwyr ifanc. Iechyd Cymry'r dyfodol sydd wirioneddol yn y fantol yn fan hyn.