English: Well, as I say, the money we've announced, for example the £10 million through the Valleys taskforce for bringing empty homes back into use and, as we wanted to expand that to look at empty shops as well, has huge potential within the grounded firms foundational economy space, because it's mostly going to be local firms who are going to be doing that work. I went with Vikki Howells to see in Ynysybwl one of the first projects funded under that and, clearly, from that example it was local tradespeople who had done the work. So, I think, from the work that we're doing under this project and from the allied work through the Valleys taskforce, which, as I say through this cross-Government group we're trying to look at as one thing, there's big potential. You mention the work of the Bevan Foundation and the funding they've had for the Wales TUC. There are two projects that have been funded. What I expect from that is challenge to this agenda. This isn't an easy or a flabby agenda. There's some real difficult policy dilemmas in this agenda and some thorny issues. The traditional view has been that the foundational economy is characterised by low pay, low productivity, low-value industries and activities and we shouldn't be trying to prop them up, we should be trying to go for the opposite, which would be fast-growing firms and high productivity. And my response to that is to say, 'We don't want to grow the foundational economy as it is, we want to change the foundational economy.' I see no contradiction. I don't see why there shouldn't be high productivity innovation within the foundational economy. I don't see why there shouldn't be artificial intelligence and robotics in the foundational economy. But there is an issue around fair work and low pay and lack of employee organisation and recognition that does characterise many parts of these economies, and that's something, through this work, we need to challenge. The work that Preston did, for example, in identifying the local anchor institutions - five of the six local anchor institutions they identified through that work ended up as living wage employers. So, I see this as really improving the way that that part of the economy works. But we absolutely have to acknowledge that, as of today, there are many parts of the foundational economy that are not the way we'd wish them to be. So, I want this to be a disruptive force within the foundational economy, not a comfortable one.
Welsh: Wel, fel y dywedais, mae gan yr arian yr ydym wedi ei gyhoeddi eisoes, er enghraifft y £10 miliwn drwy dasglu'r Cymoedd ar gyfer dechrau defnyddio tai gwag eto, ac oherwydd ein bod wedi bwriadu ehangu hynny i ystyried siopau gwag hefyd, botensial enfawr o fewn yr economi sylfaenol ar gyfer busnesau sefydledig, oherwydd cwmnïau lleol fydd yn gwneud y gwaith hwnnw yn bennaf. Es i gyda Vikki Howells i Ynysybwl i weld un o'r prosiectau cyntaf a ariannwyd o dan y prosiect hwnnw, ac roedd yn amlwg o'r enghraifft honno taw crefftwyr lleol oedd wedi gwneud y gwaith. Felly, rwy'n meddwl bod potensial mawr yn y gwaith yr ydym yn ei wneud o dan y prosiect hwn, ac yn y gwaith cysylltiedig drwy dasglu'r Cymoedd, yr ydym, fel rwy'n ei ddweud drwy'r grŵp traws-lywodraethol hwn, yn ceisio edrych arno yn un peth. Rydych yn sôn am waith Sefydliad Bevan a'r cyllid y mae wedi ei gael ar gyfer TUC Cymru. Mae dau brosiect wedi'u hariannu. Yr hyn rwy'n ei ddisgwyl o hynny yw her i'r agenda hon. Nid yw hon yn agenda hawdd na llipa. Mae rhai problemau gwirioneddol anodd o ran polisi yn yr agenda hon a rhai materion dyrys. Y farn draddodiadol yw bod yr economi sylfaenol yn cael ei nodweddu gan gyflogau isel, cynhyrchiant isel, a diwydiannau a gweithgareddau â gwerth isel, ac yn hytrach na cheisio eu cynnal, dylem ni fod yn ceisio mynd i'r gwrthwyneb, a fyddai'n golygu y bydd cwmnïau'n tyfu'n gyflym a chynhyrchiant yn uchel. A fy ymateb i hynny yw, 'Nid ydym yn dymuno tyfu'r economi sylfaenol fel y mae, rydym yn dymuno newid yr economi sylfaenol.' Nid oes unrhyw wrthddweud yn fy marn i. Nid wyf yn gweld pam na ellir bod arloesedd cynhyrchiant uchel o fewn yr economi sylfaenol. Nid wyf yn gweld pam na ellir bod deallusrwydd artiffisial a roboteg yn yr economi sylfaenol. Ond mae yna fater yn ymwneud â gwaith teg a chyflogau isel a diffyg trefniadaeth a chydnabyddiaeth gan weithwyr sy'n nodweddu sawl rhan o'r economïau hyn, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth, drwy'r gwaith hwn, mae angen i ni ei herio. Y gwaith a wnaeth Preston, er enghraifft, wrth nodi'r sefydliadau angori lleol - roedd pump o'r chwe sefydliad angori lleol a nodwyd drwy'r gwaith hwnnw yn gyflogwyr cyflog byw yn y pen draw. Felly, rwy'n ystyried bod hyn yn gwella'n wirioneddol y ffordd y mae'r rhan honno o'r economi'n gweithio. Ond yn sicr, mae'n rhaid i ni gydnabod, ar hyn o bryd, nad yw sawl rhan o'r economi sylfaenol fel y byddwn yn dymuno iddyn nhw fod. Felly, rwyf am i hyn fod yn rym aflonyddgar o fewn yr economi sylfaenol, nid un cyfforddus.