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English: Diolch, Llywydd. Firstly, I wish to very much welcome the Minister for children's statement celebrating Adoption Week, and the active cutting-edge work now taking place across Wales, both in homes and across our agencies. The Minister, along with the Cabinet Secretary, has long championed a collaborative approach between our partner agencies, as emphasised in 'A Healthier Wales'. So, will the Minister recognise formally in this Chamber the groundbreaking and innovative practice in this field now taking place, particularly across south-east Wales? The south-east Wales regional collaboration, consisting of the National Adoption Service and the Aneurin Bevan Local Health Board, have worked strategically together to secure improved access to needed clinical psychology inputs. So, will he then recognise such examples of excellence within the new national framework, and ensure that such cutting-edge work is celebrated, enhanced and replicated across Wales, not just for current adopted children, but for future adoptees and their much-needed forever families?
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Yn gyntaf, rwy'n croesawu yn fawr iawn ddatganiad y Gweinidog dros blant yn dathlu wythnos mabwysiadu, a'r bwrlwm o waith arloesol sy'n digwydd nawr ledled Cymru, mewn cartrefi ac yn ein hasiantaethau. Mae'r Gweinidog, ynghyd ag Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, wedi hyrwyddo ers peth amser yr egwyddor o gydweithio rhwng asiantaethau sy'n bartneriaid inni, fel y pwysleisiwyd yn 'Cymru Iachach'. Felly, a fyddai'r Gweinidog yn cydnabod yn ffurfiol yn y Siambr hon yr arferion arloesol sy'n torri tir newydd yn y maes hwn sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd, ar draws de-ddwyrain Cymru yn arbennig? Mae cydweithrediad rhanbarthol de-ddwyrain Cymru, sy'n cynnwys y Gwasanaeth Mabwysiadu Cenedlaethol a Bwrdd Iechyd Lleol Aneurin Bevan, wedi gweithio'n strategol gyda'i gilydd i sicrhau bod y gwasanaethau seicoleg glinigol sydd eu hangen ar gael yn rhwyddach. Felly, a fyddai'n cydnabod felly enghreifftiau o ragoriaeth o'r fath o fewn y Fframwaith Cenedlaethol newydd, a sicrhau bod gwaith arloesol o'r fath yn cael ei gydnabod, ei wella a'i atgynhyrchu ar draws Cymru, nid yn unig i blant sydd wedi eu mabwysiadu ar hyn o bryd, ond hefyd ar gyfer plant a gaiff eu mabwysiadu yn y dyfodol a'u teuluoedd gydol oes y mae angen mawr amdanyn nhw?
English: Rhianon, yes, thank you very much. And, again, thank you for your support for this area and for championing adoption as well. And certainly the south-east is driving forward. There are other examples, I have to say, in other parts of Wales as well, but what we've done in the south-east area, particularly with access to clinical psychology, has been groundbreaking and one of the things that the NAS will be looking to do is to see how we can then replicate this more widely across Wales. Because that's the way, in that sort of partnership, collaborative, strategic approach, but driving through best practice and making it common, that we'll see real improvements. Because very often for adoptive families they need to know - and the studies will show us, the Cardiff University study will show us - they need the right support at that timely moment, when they need it, to avoid things worsening or getting to a crisis point. So, the sort of work going on in south-east Wales is something that we should shout about and then try and make sure that it's happening across the piste as well. We have many of these examples of good practice now and I think a lot of it is being driven through the national framework and through the national service as well. So, yes, and when she leaves here today I'm sure she will - I hope very much that she will - go and make sure that within her local media and so on she is again driving that need for more families to come forward.
Welsh: Rhianon, ie, diolch yn fawr iawn. Ac, unwaith eto, diolch ichi am eich cefnogaeth i'r maes hwn ac am hyrwyddo mabwysiadu hefyd. Ac yn sicr mae'r de-ddwyrain yn bwrw ymlaen. Ceir enghreifftiau eraill, rhaid imi ddweud, mewn rhannau eraill o Gymru hefyd, ond mae'r hyn yr ydym ni wedi'i wneud yn ardal y de-ddwyrain, yn enwedig gyda mynediad i seicoleg glinigol, wedi bod yn torri tir newydd, ac un o'r pethau y bydd y Gwasanaeth Mabwysiadu Cenedlaethol yn edrych i'w gwneud yw gweld sut y gallwn ni wedyn atgynhyrchu hyn yn ehangach ledled Cymru. Oherwydd dyna'r ffordd, yn y math hwnnw o bartneriaeth, dull cydweithredol, strategol, ond drwy gyflwyno arferion gorau a gwneud yr arferion hynny yn gyffredin, y byddwn ni'n gweld gwelliannau gwirioneddol. Oherwydd, yn aml iawn, o ran teuluoedd sy'n mabwysiadu, mae angen iddyn nhw wybod - a bydd yr astudiaethau yn dangos inni, bydd astudiaeth Prifysgol Caerdydd yn dangos inni - bod angen y gefnogaeth gywir ar yr adeg briodol, pan fyddan nhw ei hangen, er mwyn osgoi i bethau waethygu neu gyrraedd pwynt o argyfwng. Felly, mae'r math o waith sy'n digwydd yn ne-ddwyrain Cymru yn rhywbeth y dylem ni ei hyrwyddo ac yna ceisio gwneud yn siŵr ei fod yn digwydd ar draws y sector hefyd. Mae gennym ni nawr lawer o'r enghreifftiau hyn o arferion da a chredaf fod llawer o hynny yn cael ei ddatblygu drwy'r Fframwaith Cenedlaethol a thrwy'r gwasanaeth cenedlaethol hefyd. Felly, ie, a phan fydd hi'n gadael y fan yma heddiw rwy'n siŵr y bydd hi - rwy'n gobeithio'n fawr y bydd hi - yn mynd a gwneud yn siŵr yn ei chyfryngau lleol ac ati ei bod hi'n hyrwyddo'r angen hwnnw am ragor o deuluoedd i gynnig eu hunain.
English: Thank you, Minister, and that brings today's proceedings to a close.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Gweinidog a dyna ni, dyna ddiwedd ar ein trafodion am heddiw.
English: Just something short as a result of that. I think when the initial discussion was ongoing about the establishment of these boards, the discussion on local government reorganisation was much more alive, wasn't it?
Welsh: Jest rhywbeth byr, yn sgil hynny, felly. Rydw i'n credu pan oedd y drafodaeth gychwynnol ynglŷn â sefydlu'r byrddau yma, mi oedd y drafodaeth ar ad-drefnu llywdoraeth leol yn llawer mwy byw, onid oedd?
English: It's still alive.
Welsh: Mae dal yn fyw.
English: Well, it's not quite as lively as it was in that period. But there are 19 boards; you hadn't foreseen at the time, when this legislation was going on, that there would be 19 boards in existence. I'm sure that that duplicates work - it's bound to do.
Welsh: Wel, nid ydy hi cweit mor fyw ag oedd hi, efallai, yn y cyfnod yna. Ond mae yna 19 bwrdd; nid oeddech chi wedi rhagweld, mae'n debyg, ar y pryd, pan oedd y ddeddfwriaeth yma yn mynd yn ei blaen, y byddai yna 19 bwrdd. Mae'n siwr bod hynny yn dyblygu gwaith - mae'n bownd o wneud, onid ydy?
English: Well, I had, of course, because, when the legislation was going through, I did understand the implications of the legislation. The legislation established 22 boards. I have been clear in my opinion, I hope, that I don't see the purpose of 22 boards. And I don't see the purpose of 22 councils. I think, in a country of 3 million people, with very severe problems in terms of finance - I'm sure the committee will discuss that over the coming weeks - that we need to ensure that we have a simpler way of governing. For me, there is much too much complexity. I think north Wales is a very interesting region in terms of how we govern. I don't have any comments to make about the health board, as you would expect, but for me, as the Minister for local government - I look at some of the frameworks that we have in north Wales and I question whether we have the right shape. I think that the work that Anglesey and Gwynedd have been doing, and Denbigh and Conwy also, is moving us in the right direction.
Welsh: Wel, mi oeddwn i, wrth gwrs, achos, pan oedd y ddeddfwriaeth yn mynd drwyddo, roeddwn i'n deall goblygiadau'r ddeddfwriaeth. Felly, roedd y ddeddfwriaeth yn sefydlu 22 o fyrddau yma. Rydw i wedi bod yn glir yn fy marn, rydw i'n gobeithio, nad ydw i'n gweld pwrpas 22 o fyrddau. Ac nid wyf yn gweld pwrpas 22 o gynghorau. Rydw i'n meddwl, mewn gwlad 3 miliwn o bobl, gyda phroblemau mawr ariannol, cyllidebol - rydw i'n siŵr y bydd y pwyllgor yn trafod hynny dros yr wythnosau nesaf - fod angen i ni sicrhau bod llai o gymhlethdod yn y ffordd rydym ni'n llywodraethu ein hunain. I fi, mae gormod o gymhlethdod. Rydw i'n credu bod y gogledd yn rhanbarth diddorol iawn o ran sut yr ydym ni'n llywodraethu ein hunain. Nid oes gen i sylwadau i'w gwneud amboutu'r bwrdd iechyd, fel y buasech chi'n disgwyl, ond i fi, fel Gweinidog llywodraeth leol - rydw i'n edrych ar rai o'r fframweithiau sydd gyda ni yn y gogledd ac rydw i yn edrych arnynt ac yn cwestiynu a oes gyda ni'r siâp iawn. Rydw i'n credu bod y gwaith y mae sir Fôn a Gwynedd wedi bod yn ei wneud, a Dinbych a Conwy yn ei wneud, yn ein symud ni i'r cyfeiriad iawn.
English: Are you still expecting the local authorities to provide secretariat services to the PSBs?
Welsh: A ydych chi'n dal i ddisgwyl i'r awdurdodau lleol ddarparu gwasanaethau ysgrifenyddol i'r byrddau gwasanaethau cyhoeddus?
English: Fine. You will know, of course, that they tell us - some of them, anyway - that the continued pressures on their budgets make it difficult for that to be sustained. The Vale of Glamorgan, for example, told us in written evidence that they saw it was perhaps going to be difficult to sustain the level of provision that they're doing at the moment. Is this an excuse or is it a real concern, and what can we do about it?
Welsh: Iawn. Byddwch chi'n gwybod, wrth gwrs, eu bod nhw'n dweud wrthym ni - rhai ohonyn nhw, beth bynnag - fod y pwysau parhaus ar eu cyllidebau nhw yn ei gwneud hi'n anodd i hynny gael ei gynnal. Dywedodd Bro Morgannwg, er enghraifft, mewn tystiolaeth ysgrifenedig, eu bod nhw yn gweld efallai ei bod hi'n mynd i fod yn anodd cynnal y lefel maen nhw'n ei darparu ar hyn o bryd. Ai esgus ydy hyn ganddyn nhw, neu a ydy o'n gonsýrn real, a beth fedrwn ni ei wneud am y peth?
English: Well, I wouldn't use the word 'excuse', but, if the work of supporting the boards is so onerous, I do think that we would have heard more about it by now and I haven't. I don't think I have had any correspondence on this.
Welsh: Wel, fuaswn i ddim yn defnyddio'r gair 'esgus', ond, os yw y gwaith o gefnogi y byrddau yn gymaint o faich, rwy'n credu y buaswn i wedi clywed mwy amdano fe erbyn hyn ac nid ydw i wedi. Nid ydw i'n credu ein bod ni wedi cael gohebiaeth ar hyn.
English: Okay. So, there has been some kickback on that. For me, what's important is that the services themselves are run properly and that's where the budget should go, not to the secretariat work of supporting these committees and these boards. And so my opinion would be that local authorities have to continue to support the boards, and I do think that the authorities have enough resources to do that.
Welsh: Ocê. So, mae wedi bod rhywfaint o kickback ar hynny. I mi, beth sy'n bwysig yw y gwasanaethau eu hunain, sut maen nhw'n cael eu gweithredu, a dyna ble y dylai'r gyllideb fynd, ddim at y gwaith ysgrifenyddol o gefnogi'r pwyllgorau yma a'r byrddau yma. So, fy marn i buasai fod yn rhaid i awdurdodau lleol barhau i gefnogi'r byrddau, ac rydw i'n credu bod gan awdurdodau ddigon o adnoddau i wneud hynny.
English: Have you considered providing a small fund for local authorities for the purpose of providing administrative support? Because I'm sure you'd accept that you have to have the secretariat, the administration, or these boards are just not going to meet, are they? And even though you say that you haven't had many responses, this committee has heard that this can be a problem and perhaps it will be more of a problem as the local government budgets are restricted, as we've heard in the settlement last week. So, what some have suggested is perhaps a small fund from the Welsh Government in order for local authorities to have access to specific money.
Welsh: A ydych chi wedi ystyried darparu rhyw fath o gronfa fechan i awdurdodau lleol er mwyn iddyn nhw fedru darparu'r gefnogaeth weinyddol? Achos rydw i'n siŵr eich bod chi'n derbyn bod yn rhaid cael y weinyddiaeth, yr ysgrifenyddiaeth, neu nid yw'r byrddau yma jest ddim yn mynd i gyfarfod, onid ydynt? Ac er eich bod chi'n dweud efallai nad ydych chi wedi cael llawer o ymateb, mae'r pwyllgor yma wedi clywed bod hyn yn gallu bod yn broblem ac efallai y bydd o'n fwy o broblem wrth i gyllidebau llywodraeth leol grebachu, fel rydym ni wedi ei glywed yn y setliad wythnos diwethaf. Felly, beth mae rhai wedi'i awgrymu ydy cronfa fechan gan Lywodraeth Cymru fel bod yr awdurdodau lleol yn gallu cael access i arian penodol.
English: I don't accept the point about the settlement, by the way. But -
Welsh: Nid wyf i'n derbyn y pwynt am y setliad, gyda llaw. Ond -
English: What, you don't accept that -
Welsh: Beth nid ydych chi'n derbyn y pwynt bod -
English: Put that to one side - I'm sure we'll come to that at some point, some other time. If you look at the administration, I would like to hear what the administration is that's causing the onus on local authorities. What is it? What are all these resources that are necessary in order to hold a meeting? Because I haven't seen that. What I wouldn't want to see is that we are creating new bureaucracy in order to support these boards. What I want is to ensure that the boards meet and that they undertake the work and then that the boards bring services together. This is an interesting question, actually. And what's more interesting than the administration is what the boards actually do. If we look at the work of the boards, and talk about preventative services, like the Welsh Local Government Association has been doing over the past few weeks, well, the boards should be doing that. So, there is a case to say, if the boards were administered properly, that that wouldn't cost authorities but it could help efficiencies within local government. So, I'd like to see that in a more rounded way, if I may say so. And also, of course, it is possible for each one of the boards to came to the Welsh Government and use public money as it currently stands, for their different projects. So, I don't accept that there is a case at present to increase the resources to administer the boards or to fund the boards directly.
Welsh: Rhowch hynny wrth yr ochr - rydw i'n siŵr mi fyddwn ni'n trafod hynny rhywbryd, rhyw ben arall. Os ydych chi'n edrych ar y weinyddiaeth, liciwn i glywed beth ydy'r weinyddiaeth sy'n achosi'r baich ar lywodraeth leol. Beth yw e? Beth ydy'r holl adnoddau yma sydd eu hangen arnyn nhw er mwyn cynnal cyfarfod? Nid wyf i wedi gweld hynny. Beth fuaswn i ddim eisiau gweld yw ein bod ni'n creu biwrocratiaeth newydd i gefnogi'r byrddau yma. Beth rydw i eisiau ydy sicrhau bod y byrddau yn cyfarfod ac yn gwneud y gwaith ac wedyn bod y byrddau yn dod â gwasanaethau at ei gilydd. Mae hwn yn gwestiwn diddorol, actually. A beth sy'n fwy diddorol na'r weinyddiaeth y tu hwnt iddo fe yw beth mae byrddau actually yn ei wneud. Os ydym ni'n edrych ar waith y byrddau, a sôn amboutu preventative services, fel y mae'r WLGA wedi bod yn ei wneud dros y wythnosau diwethaf, wel, dylai'r byrddau fod yn gwneud hynny. Felly, mae yna achos i ddweud, petai'r byrddau'n cael eu gweithredu'n iawn, nid yw hynny'n costio dim i'r awdurdodau lleol, ond gall helpu efficiencies tu mewn i lywodraeth leol. So, liciwn i weld hynny mewn ffordd tipyn bach mwy rounded, os caf i ei ddweud. A hefyd, wrth gwrs, mae'n bosibl i bob un o'r byrddau ddod at Lywodraeth Cymru i ddefnyddio arian cyhoeddus fel y mae anyway am eu prosiectau a'u rhaglenni gwahanol. Felly, nid wyf i'n derbyn, ar hyn o bryd, bod yna achos i gynyddu'r adnoddau i weinyddu'r byrddau neu i ariannu'r byrddau'n uniongyrchol.
English: I suspected that that was what you were going to say.
Welsh: Roeddwn i'n amau mai dyna oeddech chi'n mynd i'w ddweud.
English: Thanks. Not that I want to defend Mark Isherwood, but I don't think that he's saying that you need to be interfering in what's happening. I think it's important that we, as Assembly Members, do raise with you, as Minister, the fact that we think that there are a number of local examples of when they have engaged with some groups, but that some local groups - for example, there's an environmental group in Port Talbot that has just started - . These boards just don't know that they exist. Therefore, if they don't know that they exist, they don't carry out their functions as they engage with the ecosystem of groups who carry out positive work at a grass-roots level. That's my concern with the boards: how they can engage on a real and deep level with every group that wants to engage in the well-being of local people. In that respect, I'd want to know from you, therefore, what you think of the scrutiny by local councils. Do you think it's robust enough? Do you think it's resilient so that you can understand properly if the systems within the Act are working? If they're not, do we need to change that in order to make it a more robust system, not to take away powers from local people but to ensure that it is happening and happening efficiently?
Welsh: Diolch. Nid fy mod i eisiau amddiffyn Mark Isherwood, ond nid ydw i'n credu ei fod e'n dweud bod angen i chi fod yn ymyrryd ar yr hyn sydd yn digwydd. Rydw i'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig i ni, fel Aelodau Cynulliad, godi gyda chi, fel Gweinidog, y ffaith ein bod ni'n credu, mewn lot o'r enghreifftiau lleol, eu bod nhw'n ymgysylltu â rhai grwpiau, ond bod rhai grwpiau lleol - er enghraifft, mae yna grŵp amgylcheddol ym Mhort Talbot sydd newydd gychwyn - . Mae'r byrddau yma jest ddim yn gwybod eu bod nhw'n bodoli. Felly, os nad ydyn nhw'n gwybod eu bod nhw'n bodoli, nid ydyn nhw'n gwneud eu swyddogaeth wrth geisio ymwneud ag ecosystem o grwpiau sydd yn gwneud gwaith positif ar lawr gwlad. Dyna fy nghonsérn i gyda'r byrddau: sut maen nhw'n gallu ymwneud ar lefel real a dwfn â phob grŵp sydd eisiau ymwneud â llesiant pobl leol. Yn hynny o beth, byddwn i eisiau gwybod gennych chi, felly, beth ydych chi'n meddwl o'r sgrwtini gan gynghorau lleol. A ydych chi'n credu ei fod e'n digwydd yn ddigon robust? A ydych chi'n credu ei fod yn ddigon cadarn er mwyn ichi ddeall yn iawn a yw'r systemau o fewn y Ddeddf yn gweithio? Os nad ydyn nhw, a oes angen newid hynny er mwyn creu system fwy cadarn, nid i gymryd pwerau oddi wrth bobl leol ond i sicrhau ei fod e'n digwydd ac yn digwydd yn effeithlon?
English: I don't have a reason to think that the sort of accountability you discuss isn't happening - I don't have a reason to believe so. If the committee has conclusions about that, I'd be interested to read them, and I'd be interested to listen to what the committee has to say on that. But I don't have any evidence myself to say that that isn't happening across the country.
Welsh: Nid oes gen i reswm i feddwl bod y math o atebolrwydd yr ydych chi'n ei drafod ddim yn digwydd - nid oes gen i reswm i feddwl hynny. Os oes gan y pwyllgor gasgliadau ar hynny, buasai gen i ddiddordeb mawr mewn darllen a deall beth mae'r pwyllgor yn ei ddweud ar hynny. Ond nid oes gen i dystiolaeth fy hun i ddweud bod hynny ddim yn digwydd ar draws y wlad.
English: So, you have assessed every council that scrutinises and looked to see how they scrutinise the boards, what they're doing, how they're doing it and how they've monitored.
Welsh: Felly, rydych chi wedi asesu pob cyngor sydd yn craffu ac wedi edrych i weld sut maen nhw wedi craffu ar y byrddau, beth maen nhw'n ei wneud, sut maen nhw'n ei wneud e a sut maen nhw wedi monitro.
English: Look, we have a system of local government - government. We don't have a system of councils that are agents of Welsh Government. Therefore, it's a matter for local people to decide whether councils are doing their job properly, and then the ballot box is the way of intervening. So, I have a much more expansive role in terms of the rights of local councils than you do, perhaps. But can I just say this: I acknowledge that there is room to ensure that the voluntary sector can intervene and take part in the boards themselves, and we have been collaborating with the Wales Council for Voluntary Action to ensure that local groups and social and community groups can do so? So, therefore, we are trying to strengthen the opportunity for the voluntary sector to take part in the PSBs' work in the way that Mark Isherwood has suggested. However, I would come back to the main purpose of the local boards, and that is to ensure that they decide what their priorities are on the basis of what the priorities are of those people who live in the different areas of our country.
Welsh: Edrychwch, mae gyda ni system o lywodraeth leol - llywodraeth. Nid oes gennym ni system o gynghorau sydd yn agents o Lywodraeth Cymru. Felly, mae'n fater i bobl leol benderfynu a yw cynghorau yn gwneud eu job yn iawn, ac wedyn y blwch balot ydy'r ffordd o ymyrryd fanna. Felly, rydw i'n cymryd rôl lot mwy expansive o hawliau llywodraeth leol nag, efallai, rydych chi. Ond a gaf i ddweud hyn: rydw i'n cydnabod bod yna le i sicrhau bod y sector gwirfoddol yn gallu ymyrryd a chymryd rhan yn y byrddau ei hun, ac rydym ni wedi bod yn cydweithio gyda'r WCVA i sicrhau bod grwpiau lleol, grwpiau cymdeithasol neu gymunedol yn gallu gwneud hynny? Felly, rydym ni yn trio cryfhau'r cyfle i'r sector gwirfoddol gymryd rhan yng ngwaith y PSBs yn y ffordd y mae Mark Isherwood wedi awgrymu. Ond, mi fuaswn i'n dod nôl at brif bwrpas y byrddau lleol, sef sicrhau eu bod nhw'n penderfynu beth ydy eu blaenoriaethau nhw ar sail beth ydy blaenoriaethau'r bobl sy'n byw yn yr ardaloedd gwahanol o'n gwlad.
English: Okay. You talk about the charity groups and the local groups. Is there room to change the legislation in order to allow more multi-agency scrutiny, now that they're talking about how they can't be on a council to scrutinise? Would there be room to change things so that they could scrutinise in a more creative way. I don't know if that would work, because they haven't been elected in the same way as local councils, but it's just something that we've heard in terms of an idea.
Welsh: Ocê. Rydych chi'n sôn am y grwpiau elusennol a'r grwpiau lleol. A oes yna le i newid y ddeddfwriaeth i ganiatáu craffu aml-asiantaeth, nawr na fyddan nhw'n gallu bod ar gyngor i graffu? Felly, a fyddai yna le i wneud pethau'n wahanol, fel eu bod nhw'n gallu craffu mewn ffordd fwy creadigol? Nid wyf i'n siŵr a fyddai hynny'n gweithio, oherwydd nid ydyn nhw wedi cael eu hethol mewn ffordd fel cynghorau lleol, ond jest rhywbeth yw e rydym ni wedi'i glywed o ran syniad.