English: Well, I make no apology for saying the NHS is not broken. I make no apology for being offended by the way you have approached this issue. I've met - [ Interruption. ] I've met - [ Interruption.] I have met paramedics through the worst of times. When I was appointed as a Deputy Minister for Health at that time and meeting paramedics at that time, they were angry and they were despondent. They wanted the system to change. They recognised they were in a mad rush to meet a target they did not believe in, they did not believe served the patient well or them as members of staff well. They were directly engaged in helping to change that system. We listened to what paramedics were saying to us at the time, and we continue to listen. I have spent a large amount of my time in this office going out and directly listening to staff in their workplaces. I was with paramedics last week within north Wales. I was listening to them about the work they're doing to improve our healthcare system, the work on a trial being run in north Wales that I think is likely to be rolled out across the rest of the country, using advanced paramedics to improve out-of-hospital care to avoid unnecessary admissions. And we will continue to listen to our staff. We will continue to see them engage, as they already are, as individuals in their workplaces, within their trade unions and their representatives, because this is a system that is looking to improve and to learn. And I think that if you spent more time with representatives in our system to look at the improvements that have taken place within these last few years, and to look at the further improvements we are planning and trialing, I think you might take a slightly different perspective.
Welsh: Wel, nid wyf yn ymddiheuro am ddweud nad yw'r GIG wedi torri. Nid wyf yn ymddiheuro am waredu at y ffordd rydych wedi ymdrin â'r mater hwn. Rwyf wedi cyfarfod - [ Torri ar draws. ] Rwyf wedi cyfarfod - [ Torri ar draws.] Rwyf wedi cyfarfod â pharafeddygon ar yr adegau gwaethaf. Pan gefais fy mhenodi'n Ddirprwy Weinidog Iechyd ar y pryd, a chyfarfod â pharafeddygon ar y pryd, roeddent yn ddig ac yn ddigalon. Roeddent am i'r system newid. Roeddent yn cydnabod eu bod ar garlam gwyllt i gyflawni targed nad oeddent yn credu ynddo, nad oeddent o'r farn ei fod er budd y claf neu eu budd hwythau fel aelodau o staff ychwaith. Roeddent yn rhan uniongyrchol o'r broses o helpu i newid y system honno. Gwrandawsom ar yr hyn roedd parafeddygon yn ei ddweud wrthym ar y pryd, ac rydym yn parhau i wrando. Rwyf wedi treulio llawer iawn o fy amser yn y swydd hon allan yn gwrando'n uniongyrchol ar staff yn eu gweithleoedd. Roeddwn gyda pharafeddygon yr wythnos diwethaf yng ngogledd Cymru. Bûm yn gwrando arnynt yn sôn am y gwaith y maent yn ei wneud i wella ein system gofal iechyd, y gwaith ar dreial sy'n mynd rhagddo yng ngogledd Cymru, a chredaf ei fod yn debygol o gael ei gyflwyno ledled gweddill y wlad, sef defnyddio uwch barafeddygon i wella gofal y tu allan i'r ysbyty er mwyn osgoi derbyniadau diangen. A byddwn yn parhau i wrando ar ein staff. Byddwn yn parhau i sicrhau eu bod yn ymgysylltu, fel y gwnânt eisoes, fel unigolion yn eu gweithleoedd, o fewn eu hundebau llafur a'u cynrychiolwyr, gan fod hon yn system sy'n awyddus i wella ac i ddysgu. A phe baech yn treulio mwy o amser gyda chynrychiolwyr yn ein system er mwyn edrych ar y gwelliannau a fu dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf, ac edrych ar y gwelliannau pellach rydym yn eu cynllunio a'u treialu, credaf y byddai eich safbwynt ychydig yn wahanol.