English: I'm grateful for that clarification, David, but I was expressing my sense of shock when we had the statement from the Cabinet Secretary that day back in March. Granted, the decision - more of that later on - was not the Cabinet Secretary's; he was merely the conduit of it here, but it didn't lessen the shock that some of us felt. But I'm grateful for your intervention anyway. Up to that point, obviously, I hadn't detected a popular groundswell of public opinion wanting a prison in Port Talbot, I've got to say. No public clamour at all. There was, and is, public clamour for a tidal lagoon in Swansea bay, there is public clamour for electrification of the main railway line from London to Swansea, but a superprison in Baglan - public clamour came there none. Now, of course, this unexpected announcement - via the Cabinet Secretary - came about because obviously policing, crime and justice are not devolved to this National Assembly for Wales. Westminster can announce things and that's it. Yet, policing is devolved everywhere else, obviously: Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, Manchester even, but not Wales. And this isn't just an argument about powers for its own sake, but, in terms of criminal justice, the need to tackle the revolving door of reoffending, as alluded to elsewhere, is paramount. This deficiency cuts across that. To try and prevent offenders from reoffending, a concerted, co-ordinated response is required across all public services and local voluntary and charitable institutions. Because, for offenders leaving prison, we need housing, housing for people on their release; we need education and training possibilities; we need general health services; we need mental health services; we need drug and alcohol treatments; we need social services support. All of these already overstretched services are devolved to Wales. We manage them from here. Co-ordination with policing, probation, criminal justice and prisons, which are not devolved, is very difficult therefore, which is why we can just have this sudden announcement, whoever announced it, wherever - and I'm grateful to the Cabinet Secretary for that announcement back in March. But because criminal justice and prisons are not devolved, this is how we can have this sort of announcement, and are we expected to pick up the pieces with our devolved services already overstretched here in Wales? Because preventing reoffending is already a very difficult task. Persistent reoffending rates are a testimony to all of that. But in the end, this superprison is not needed. There is no popular public clamour out there for it. It's not welcome. Vote for the Plaid Cymru motion. Diolch yn fawr.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar am yr eglurhad hwnnw, David, ond roeddwn yn mynegi fy syndod pan gawsom y datganiad gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet y diwrnod hwnnw yn ôl ym mis Mawrth. Rwy'n derbyn nad penderfyniad - mwy am hynny yn nes ymlaen - Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet ydoedd; negesydd yn unig ydoedd yn y lle hwn, ond nid oedd hynny'n lleihau'r syndod a deimlodd rhai ohonom. Ond diolch am eich ymyriad beth bynnag. Hyd at y pwynt hwnnw, yn amlwg, nid oeddwn wedi canfod ymchwydd poblogaidd o farn gyhoeddus a oedd yn awyddus i gael carchar ym Mhort Talbot, rhaid i mi ddweud. Dim galwad gyhoeddus o gwbl. Roedd yna, ac mae yna, alwad gyhoeddus am forlyn llanw ym mae Abertawe, mae yna alwad gyhoeddus am drydaneiddio'r brif reilffordd o Lundain i Abertawe, ond uwch garchar ym Maglan - ni chafwyd galwad gyhoeddus o gwbl. Nawr, wrth gwrs, digwyddodd y cyhoeddiad annisgwyl hwn - drwy gyfrwng Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet - oherwydd nad yw plismona, trosedd a chyfiawnder wedi eu datganoli i Gynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru wrth gwrs. Gall San Steffan gyhoeddi pethau a dyna ni. Eto i gyd, mae plismona wedi'i ddatganoli ym mhob man arall, yn amlwg: yr Alban, Gogledd Iwerddon, Llundain, Manceinion hyd yn oed, ond nid i Gymru. Ac nid dadl yw hon am bwerau er eu mwyn eu hunain yn unig, ond o ran cyfiawnder troseddol, mae'r angen i fynd i'r afael â drws tro aildroseddu, fel y soniwyd mewn man arall, yn hollbwysig. Mae'r diffyg yn torri ar draws hynny. Er mwyn ceisio atal troseddwyr rhag aildroseddu, mae angen ymateb gydgysylltiedig ac unedig ar draws yr holl wasanaethau cyhoeddus a sefydliadau gwirfoddol ac elusennol lleol. Oherwydd, ar gyfer troseddwyr sy'n gadael y carchar, mae angen tai, tai i bobl wedi iddynt gael eu rhyddhau; mae angen posibiliadau addysg a hyfforddiant; mae angen gwasanaethau iechyd cyffredinol; mae angen gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl; mae angen triniaethau cyffuriau ac alcohol; mae angen cymorth gwasanaethau cymdeithasol. Mae pob un o'r gwasanaethau hyn sydd eisoes dan ormod o bwysau wedi'u datganoli i Gymru. Rydym yn eu rheoli oddi yma. Mae cydlynu â phlismona, y gwasanaeth prawf, cyfiawnder troseddol a charchardai, materion nad ydynt wedi'u datganoli, yn anodd iawn felly, a dyna pam y cawn y cyhoeddiad sydyn hwn, pwy bynnag a'i cyhoeddodd, lle bynnag - ac rwy'n ddiolchgar i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am y cyhoeddiad hwnnw yn ôl ym mis Mawrth. Ond gan nad yw cyfiawnder troseddol a charchardai wedi eu datganoli, sut y gallwn gael y math hwn o gyhoeddiad, a bod disgwyl i ni godi'r darnau gyda'n gwasanaethau datganoledig eisoes dan ormod o bwysau yma yng Nghymru? Oherwydd mae atal aildroseddu eisoes yn dasg anodd iawn. Mae cyfraddau aildroseddu parhaus yn dyst i hynny i gyd. Ond yn y pen draw, nid oes angen yr uwch garchar hwn. Nid oes unrhyw alw cyhoeddus poblogaidd amdano. Nid oes croeso iddo. Pleidleisiwch dros gynnig Plaid Cymru. Diolch yn fawr.