English: First of all, can I say that in my letter to the Foreign Secretary on this matter earlier in the year, and more recently to the Prime Minister, I was at pains to say how strongly the Welsh Government supports the actions that the UK Government has led in relation to the COVAX programme and the efforts that the UK Government has made to lead action across the world in that regard? So, I want to acknowledge that and to repeat it this afternoon. What are the downsides of a temporary waiver on intellectual property rights? Well, I think the main one is that while I think it is a necessary thing to do, by itself it is not a sufficient thing to do, because there will be countries that simply lack the infrastructure to use the intellectual property that will then be available to them. Sometimes the intellectual property side is described as having the recipe. Well, if you don't have a cooker, you don't have the pots and pans and you don't have everything else you need, you can't turn the recipe into a usable product. That is why, in the very modest way that the Welsh Government has been able to offer assistance, our assistance in places like Namibia and Uganda, for example, has focused on making sure that we assist those places to put into place those infrastructure things that allow countries to make use of vaccines as vaccines become available, because if you don't have trained nurses, or you don't have vaccine centres, or you don't have personal protective equipment, then even if you have the vaccine, you can't make those vaccines work for your local population. If there is an argument about a downside to a patent waiver, I think that is the only one that I would place much credence on. It's that, by itself, if you don't have everything else you need to make a vaccine programme effective, having intellectual property rights on vaccines waived doesn't guarantee that you've got everything you need on the ground to deliver such a programme.
Welsh: Yn gyntaf oll, a gaf i ddweud, yn fy llythyr at yr Ysgrifennydd Tramor ar y mater hwn yn gynharach yn y flwyddyn, ac yn fwy diweddar at Brif Weinidog y DU, fy mod i wedi bod yn awyddus iawn i ddweud pa mor gryf y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn cefnogi'r camau y mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi eu harwain o ran rhaglen COVAX a'r ymdrechion y mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi eu gwneud i arwain camau gweithredu ledled y byd yn hynny o beth? Felly, hoffwn gydnabod hynny a'i ailadrodd y prynhawn yma. Beth yw anfanteision hepgoriad dros dro o hawliau eiddo deallusol? Wel, rwy'n credu mai'r prif un, er fy mod i'n credu ei fod yn beth angenrheidiol i'w wneud, nid yw'n beth digonol i'w wneud ar ei ben ei hun, oherwydd bydd gwledydd nad yw'r seilwaith ganddyn nhw i ddefnyddio'r eiddo deallusol a fydd ar gael iddyn nhw wedyn. Disgrifir yr ochr eiddo deallusol weithiau fel meddu ar y rysáit. Wel, os nad oes gennych chi ffwrn, os nad oes gennych chi'r sosbenni a'r padellau ac nad oes gennych chi bopeth arall sydd ei angen arnoch chi, allwch chi ddim troi'r rysáit yn gynnyrch defnyddiadwy. Dyna pam, yn y ffordd fach iawn y mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi gallu cynnig cymorth, y mae ein cymorth mewn lleoedd fel Namibia ac Uganda, er enghraifft, wedi canolbwyntio ar wneud yn siŵr ein bod ni'n cynorthwyo'r lleoedd hynny i sefydlu'r pethau seilwaith hynny sy'n caniatáu i wledydd ddefnyddio brechlynnau wrth i frechlynnau ddod ar gael, oherwydd os nad oes gennych chi nyrsys hyfforddedig, neu os nad oes gennych chi ganolfannau brechu, neu os nad oes gennych chi gyfarpar diogelu personol, yna hyd yn oed os yw'r brechlyn gennych chi, allwch chi ddim gwneud i'r brechlynnau hynny weithio i'ch poblogaeth leol. Os oes dadl am anfantais i hepgoriad patent, rwy'n credu mai dyna'r unig un y byddwn ni'n neilltuo llawer o hygrededd iddo. Mae'n golygu, os nad oes gennych chi bopeth arall sydd ei angen arnoch chi i wneud rhaglen frechu yn effeithiol, nid yw cael hepgor hawliau eiddo deallusol ar frechlynnau yn sicrhau bod gennych chi bopeth sydd ei angen arnoch ar lawr gwlad i ddarparu rhaglen o'r fath.