English: This is the second time that Members have tabled amendments to extend the scope of the offence. They did the same at Stage 2, when they were rejected by the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee. I'd really like to begin by making it very clear that the purpose of this Bill is to address ethical concerns by banning the use of wild animals in travelling circuses in Wales. There is other legislation in place to protect the welfare of animals. This Bill has a very narrow purpose and it seeks to make it an offence for an operator of a travelling circus to use or cause or permit another person to use a wild animal in a travelling circus. A wild animal is used if the animal performs or if it's exhibited. If circuses choose to keep and train their wild animals and use them in a different way, that's their prerogative, provided they do so within the law. The circuses, in giving evidence to the committee, have already said that they intend to keep using their wild animals, albeit not as part of the travelling circus. And, in order to do this, they would, presumably, need to train them. Any decision on the future of their wild animals is likely to have already been made, given the ban in England, which came into force in January. One would assume that it would be uneconomic for circuses to continue to take their wild animals with them when they tour if they cannot use them, although that would be a decision for them. The proposed amendments amount to de facto bans, either on travelling circuses keeping wild animals - which would constitute the complete deprivation of property - or the training of wild animals, and this would risk infringing the right to the peaceful enjoyment of possessions, which is protected by article 1 of protocol 1 to the European Convention on Human Rights. Restricting how an animal is used in a circus environment, as we're trying to do here, is less of an interference than depriving an owner of it entirely, or restricting how they use wild animals outside of the circus environment. I do understand the Member's desire to see a ban implemented as soon as is practicable and using wild animals in travelling circuses purely for our entertainment can no longer be justified, and that's why I brought forward this legislation. The Bill, should it be successful, is scheduled to receive Royal Assent in mid August at the earliest, and come into force on 1 December. The coming into force date was raised by the Member during the debate on the general principles of the Bill, and I said I would consider an earlier coming into force date, as I did when I gave evidence to the committee last year. However, the committee, in its Stage 1 report, in acknowledging the concerns around the timing of the ban and the calls to introduce the ban earlier, reported, and I quote: 'Time allowed for legislative scrutiny of the Bill would provide limited scope to bring forward the coming into force date. Given this, and the practical implications of introducing the ban during touring season, we are satisfied that the coming into force date is reasonable and appropriate.' The reason for the December coming into force date, I'm sure Members will remember, is both the travelling circuses that have used wild animals will be expected to have completed touring and returned to their winter quarters by this time. But as Llyr referred to, due to the COVID-19 restrictions, these circuses have not toured at all this year, and it's too early to say when this type of activity will be permitted. But, as you referred to, the circuses may be able to tour later this year, and if they are, it's possible they may decide not to tour again in Wales with their wild animals, given the activity is now prohibited in England, where both circuses are based. Implementing a ban during the touring season, which could be any time up until the end of November, would put the circuses in a difficult and unreasonable position of having to comply with the provisions of the Bill whilst they were on tour with their wild animals. We've looked into the coming into force date very carefully, and there is little to be gained from bringing it forward by what would likely be a few weeks. So, Llywydd, I don't believe any of these amendments are necessary. The purpose of the Bill is to address ethical concerns - [ Interruption.] Yes.
Welsh: Dyma'r ail dro i'r Aelodau gyflwyno gwelliannau i ymestyn cwmpas y drosedd. Gwnaethant yr un peth yng Nghyfnod 2, pan gawsant eu gwrthod gan y Pwyllgor Newid Hinsawdd, Amgylchedd a Materion Gwledig. Hoffwn ddechrau drwy ddweud yn glir iawn mai diben y Bil hwn yw mynd i'r afael â phryderon moesegol drwy wahardd y defnydd o anifeiliaid gwyllt mewn syrcasau teithiol yng Nghymru. Mae deddfwriaeth arall ar waith i ddiogelu lles anifeiliaid. Diben cul iawn sydd i'r Bil hwn ac mae'n ceisio ei gwneud yn drosedd i weithredydd syrcas deithiol ddefnyddio neu beri neu ganiatáu i berson arall ddefnyddio anifail gwyllt mewn syrcas deithiol. Caiff anifail gwyllt ei ddefnyddio os yw'r anifail yn perfformio neu os caiff ei arddangos. Os yw syrcasau'n dewis cadw a hyfforddi eu hanifeiliaid gwyllt a'u defnyddio mewn ffordd wahanol, bydd ganddynt hawl i wneud hynny, cyn belled â'u bod yn gwneud hynny'n gyfreithlon. Wrth roi tystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor, mae'r syrcasau eisoes wedi dweud eu bod yn bwriadu parhau i ddefnyddio eu hanifeiliaid gwyllt, er nad fel rhan o'r syrcas deithiol. Ac er mwyn gwneud hyn, mae'n debyg y byddai angen iddynt eu hyfforddi. Mae'n debygol fod unrhyw benderfyniad ar ddyfodol eu hanifeiliaid gwyllt wedi'i wneud eisoes, o gofio'r gwaharddiad yn Lloegr a ddaeth i rym ym mis Ionawr. Byddai rhywun yn tybio y byddai'n aneconomaidd i syrcasau barhau i fynd â'u hanifeiliaid gwyllt gyda hwy pan fyddant yn mynd ar daith os na allant eu defnyddio, er mai penderfyniad iddynt hwy fyddai hynny. Mae'r gwelliannau a gynigir yn gyfystyr â gwaharddiadau de facto, naill ai ar gadw anifeiliaid gwyllt mewn syrcasau teithiol - a fyddai'n gyfystyr ag amddifadu o eiddo'n gyfan gwbl - neu ar hyfforddi anifeiliaid gwyllt, a byddai hyn yn creu risg o dramgwyddo'r hawl i fwynhau eiddo'n heddychlon, a ddiogelir gan erthygl 1 o brotocol 1 y Confensiwn Ewropeaidd ar Hawliau Dynol. Mae cyfyngu ar y modd y caiff anifail ei ddefnyddio mewn amgylchedd syrcas, fel rydym yn ceisio ei wneud yma, yn llai o ymyrraeth nag amddifadu perchennog ohono'n llwyr, neu gyfyngu ar y modd y maent yn defnyddio anifeiliaid gwyllt y tu allan i amgylchedd y syrcas. Rwy'n deall awydd yr Aelod i weld gwaharddiad yn cael ei weithredu cyn gynted ag sy'n ymarferol, ac nid oes modd cyfiawnhau defnyddio anifeiliaid gwyllt mewn syrcasau teithiol mwyach ar gyfer adloniant yn unig, a dyna pam y cyflwynais y ddeddfwriaeth hon. Dylai'r Bil, os yw'n llwyddiannus, gael Cydsyniad Brenhinol ganol mis Awst ar y cynharaf, a dod i rym ar 1 Rhagfyr. Cafodd y dyddiad dod i rym ei godi gan yr Aelod yn ystod y ddadl ar egwyddorion cyffredinol y Bil, a dywedais y byddwn yn ystyried dyddiad dod i rym cynharach, fel y gwneuthum pan roddais dystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor y llynedd. Fodd bynnag, yn ei adroddiad Cyfnod 1, wrth gydnabod y pryderon ynghylch amseriad y gwaharddiad a'r galwadau i gyflwyno'r gwaharddiad yn gynharach, nododd y pwyllgor, ac rwy'n dyfynnu: 'Byddai amser a ganiateir ar gyfer craffu deddfwriaethol ar y Bil yn darparu cwmpas cyfyngedig i'r dyddiad dod i rym gael ei gyflwyno'n gynharach. O ystyried hyn, a goblygiadau ymarferol cyflwyno'r gwaharddiad yn ystod y tymor teithio, rydym yn fodlon bod y dyddiad dod i rym yn rhesymol ac yn briodol.' Rwy'n siŵr y bydd yr Aelodau'n cofio mai'r rheswm dros osod y dyddiad dod i rym ym mis Rhagfyr yw y bydd disgwyl i syrcasau teithiol sydd wedi defnyddio anifeiliaid gwyllt fod wedi cwblhau eu teithiau ac wedi dychwelyd i'w man aros dros y gaeaf erbyn hynny. Ond fel y nododd Llyr, oherwydd cyfyngiadau COVID-19, nid yw'r syrcasau hyn wedi teithio o gwbl eleni, ac mae'n rhy gynnar i ddweud pa bryd y caniateir y math hwn o weithgaredd. Ond fel y nodwyd gennych, mae'n bosibl y gallai'r syrcasau fynd ar daith yn hwyrach eleni, ac os byddant yn gwneud hynny, mae'n bosibl y byddant yn penderfynu peidio â theithio eto yng Nghymru gyda'u hanifeiliaid gwyllt, o gofio bod y gweithgaredd wedi'i wahardd bellach yn Lloegr, lle mae'r ddwy syrcas wedi'u lleoli. Byddai gweithredu gwaharddiad yn ystod y tymor teithio, a allai fod unrhyw adeg tan ddiwedd mis Tachwedd, yn rhoi'r syrcasau mewn sefyllfa anodd ac afresymol o orfod cydymffurfio â darpariaethau'r Bil tra byddent ar daith gyda'u hanifeiliaid gwyllt. Rydym wedi edrych ar y dyddiad dod i rym yn ofalus iawn, ac nid oes fawr ddim i'w ennill o'i gyflwyno ychydig wythnosau'n gynharach fel y byddai'n debygol o fod. Felly, Lywydd, nid wyf yn credu bod angen yr un o'r gwelliannau hyn. Diben y Bil yw mynd i'r afael â phryderon moesegol - [ T orri ar draws.] Ie.