English: I do think that, as we look at this policy area - it does make you feel particularly depressed, because this was the technology that had the potential for us to undo the disbenefits of being geographically peripheral, or being located in a rural location. It was this technology that was supposed to provide the solution for rural business, but, because of the lack of progress that's taken place, we are still in a disadvantaged situation compared to the main centres of urban population in England, and so on and so forth. Therefore, we must have better leadership from the Welsh Government. The system that we have, or the policy approach that we have, clearly isn't delivering. So, never think that - . Of course, the technology is moving forward constantly, and we will soon be talking about terabits. If the Welsh Government truly wants Wales to be a test bed for driverless car technologies, for example, then we must move further ahead. So, it's not through having an agreement on a contract with BT - that's not the best way of doing that, I would suggest. If we look at the figures, we heard the Cabinet Secretary saying that Wales is forging ahead. What planet is he on? We can't have a reasonable policy discussion if we don't accept the reality of the situation. As the House of Commons Library has demonstrated, seven out of 10 of the council wards that have the slowest connections in Britain are in Wales, six of them in the Mid and West Wales region, and one of them, Llanfihangel Aberbythych, in my constituency. I saw that an FOI request was published last week by the Welsh Government - that is, the information was published by the Welsh Government - that demonstrates where we are in terms of the areas that have been connected under superfast. Ceredigion is only 68.9 per cent - these are your own figures, which were published last week. We know that the average across the UK is around 93 or 94 per cent - that's for England - and it's set to be 95 per cent by the end of this year and 98 per cent, according to the UK Government, by the end of this decade. But 68 per cent in Ceredigion - what impact does the Welsh Government think that has on the viability of the economy in those areas? We must look at an alternative model. It's interesting to see the alternative models that have succeeded, for example, in the United States, where hundreds of cities own their own telecommunications companies. Because many of them, in areas such as Colorado and Kentucky, facing the same problems as our rural areas, have decided, 'Enough is enough. We are not going to rely on major, monopolistic companies. We're going to take the reins ourselves.' Some of them partner with smaller, local or regional companies. Some of them own their own companies, very similar to the old Kingston Communications in Hull, of course, which was very successful, and very similar to what the Basque Government did back in the 1990s, having faced the same difficulties. Again, the Basque Country Government decided, 'Well, rather than just handing out this money to a large, private sector monopoly, why don't we invest our funds into our own company?' Of course, Euskaltel has proved that that investment was a wise move, and it's paid off, because they have been able to make progress. And one of the committee's recommendations, of course, is that the Welsh Government should look at these alternative models at all levels. There was a suggestion in the Western Mail last month that there was an opportunity in terms of this terabit infrastructure to generate investment that would mean that Wales, for once, would be in the vanguard.
Welsh: Rydw i yn meddwl, wrth i ni edrych, rwy'n credu, ar y maes yma o bolisi - mae yn gwneud i chi deimlo'n arbennig o isel oherwydd dyma oedd y dechnoleg a oedd â'r potensial, a dweud y gwir, i ni wrthwneud anfanteision, yntefe, bod yn ddaearyddol ymylol neu gael eich safleoli mewn sefyllfa wledig. Hynny yw, y dechnoleg yma sy'n cynnig yr ateb, a dweud y gwir, i fusnesau yng nghefn gwlad. Ond, oherwydd y diffyg llwyddiant a'r diffyg cynnydd sydd wedi bod, wrth gwrs, rŷm ni'n dal mewn sefyllfa anfanteisiol o'i gymharu â phrif ganolfannau poblogaeth ddinesig yn Lloegr, ac yn y blaen. Felly, mae'n rhaid i ni gael gwell arweiniad gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Nid yw'r system sydd gyda ni, neu'r ymagwedd neu'r dynesiad polisi sydd gyda ni, yn amlwg yn delifro. Felly, peidiwch byth â meddwl - . Wrth gwrs, mae'r dechnoleg yn symud ymlaen o hyd ac o hyd. Byddwn ni'n sôn cyn bo hir am terabit, yntefe. Os ydy Llywodraeth Cymru wir eisiau i Gymru fod yn gyrchfan - yn test bed - ar gyfer technoleg ceir di-yrrwr, er enghraifft, mae'n rhaid i ni fynd ymhellach ymlaen. Felly, nid drwy gael cytundeb gyda chwmni fel BT, y buaswn yn awgrymu, yw'r ffordd inni wneud hynny. Os ŷm ni'n edrych ar y ffigurau, rydym ni'n clywed yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet yn dweud, 'Wel, mae Cymru ymhell ar y blaen.' Pa blaned y mae ef arno? Allwn ni ddim gael sgwrs polisi call os nad ŷm ni'n derbyn y gwir sefyllfa. Mae llyfrgell Tŷ'r Cyffredin wedi dangos bod saith mas o'r 10 ward cyngor sydd â'r cysylltiad arafaf ym Mhrydain yng Nghymru - chwech ohonynt, wrth gwrs, yn rhanbarth y gorllewin a'r canolbarth, ac un ohonyn nhw, Llanfihangel Aberbythych, yn fy etholaeth i. Roeddwn i'n gweld bod yna gais rhyddid gwybodaeth wedi cael ei gyhoeddi wythnos diwethaf gan Lywodraeth Cymru - hynny yw, mae'r wybodaeth wedi cael ei chyhoeddi ganddyn nhw - sy'n dangos ble'r ŷm ni o ran y siroedd, o ran yr ardaloedd sydd wedi cael eu cysylltu o dan Superfast. Ceredigion: 68 y cant yn unig, 68.9 y cant yn unig - eich ffigurau chi, a dweud y gwir, yr wythnos diwethaf. Rŷm ni'n gwybod bod y gyfartaledd ar draws Prydain yn rhywbeth fel 93, 94 y cant - ar gyfer Lloegr, hynny yw - a 95 y cant ar ddiwedd eleni, a 98 y cant, meddai Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Gyfunol, erbyn diwedd y degawd yma. Chwe deg wyth y cant yng Ngheredigion - pa effaith y mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n meddwl y mae hwnnw'n ei chael ar hyfywedd yr economi yn yr ardaloedd hynny? Mae'n rhaid inni edrych ar fodel gwahanol. Mae'n ddiddorol gweld y modelau amgen sydd yn llwyddo, er enghraifft, yn yr Unol Daleithiau, lle mae cannoedd o ddinasoedd, wrth gwrs, yn berchen ar eu cwmnïau telegyfathrebu eu hunain. Oherwydd mae sawl un ohonyn nhw, mewn ardaloedd fel Colorado a Kentucky ac yn y blaen, yn wynebu'r un broblem â'n hardaloedd gwledig ni ac wedi penderfynu, 'Digon yw digon. Nid ydym ni yn mynd i ddibynnu ar gwmnïau mawr monopoli. Rydym ni mynd i gymryd yr awenau ein hunain.' Mae rhai ohonyn nhw yn partneru gyda chwmnïau bychain yn lleol ac yn rhanbarthol. Mae rhai ohonyn nhw yn berchen ar eu cwmnïau eu hunain, yn debyg iawn, wrth gwrs, i hen fodel Kingston Communications a Hull, wrth gwrs, a oedd yn llwyddiannus iawn. Mae'n debyg iawn i beth oedd Llywodraeth Gwlad y Basg wedi gwneud yn ôl yn y 1990au, wedi wynebu'r un drafferth. Unwaith eto, roedd Llywodraeth Gwlad y Basg yn penderfynu, 'Wel, yn lle rhoi'r arian yma i ryw gwmni mawr monopoli sector preifat, beth am inni fuddsoddi ein harian mewn cwmni ein hunain?' Wrth gwrs, mae Euskaltel wedi profi bod y buddsoddiad hwnnw'n un call ar ei ganfed oherwydd eu bod nhw wedi medru symud ymlaen. Un o argymhellion y pwyllgor, wrth gwrs, yw i Lywodraeth Cymru edrych ar y modelau amgen ar bob lefel. Roedd yna awgrym yn y Western Mail y mis diwethaf bod yna gyfle o ran yr is-strwythur terabit yma i greu buddsoddiad a fyddai'n golygu bod Cymru, am unwaith - am unwaith - ar flaen y gad.