English: I add my thanks to Bethan's thanks to Hefin for bringing the debate today. When we did look at different Members' debates on the Business Committee I was quite keen that we had this debate, so I'm pleased we're having it. I think it is scandalous that these fairly arbitrary charges can be imposed without much in the way of consultation, transparency or the right of legal challenge. As a couple of the contributors have mentioned, it seems to be part of a patchwork quilt of charges that are involved in running households. We had the recent debates, as mentioned, on freeholds and leaseholds and unadopted roads. So, it is part of this whole tapestry of arbitrary charges that people sometimes have to pay, and it's a pity in some ways that we can't just tie them up together in one big Bill. But, of course, that would be constitutionally too difficult. A couple of the points that are very pertinent are the fact that we may need to be mindful of what the UK Government legislates on these points, otherwise you could have disparities in the housing market, and you've referred to that in point 2 (c) of your motion. And the other major issue is the legal challenge and the fact that the freeholders don't have the appeal process, which you've tackled in point 1 of your motion. So, it's a good motion. If these points can all be taken on board, with some kind of legislation in Wales, we could have a good outcome. It could strengthen the rights of freeholders and make the rights of freeholders in this area uniform between England and Wales, which I think would probably be the best solution, if we can achieve it. So, we in the UKIP group agree with today's motion, and hopefully today's debate can be the beginning of some meaningful action to resolve this problem. Thank you.
Welsh: Rwy'n ychwanegu fy niolch at ddiolch Bethan i Hefin am gyflwyno'r ddadl heddiw. Pan oeddem yn edrych ar ddadleuon gwahanol Aelodau ar y Pwyllgor Busnes, roeddwn yn eithaf awyddus i ni gael y ddadl hon, felly rwy'n falch ein bod yn ei chael. Credaf ei bod yn warthus fod modd gosod y taliadau gweddol fympwyol hyn heb ymgynghoriad, tryloywder na'r hawl i her gyfreithiol. Fel y soniodd un neu ddau o'r cyfranwyr, mae'n ymddangos ei fod yn rhan o glytwaith o ffioedd sy'n gysylltiedig â chynnal aelwydydd. Cawsom y dadleuon diweddar, fel y crybwyllwyd, ar rydd-daliadau a lesddaliadau a ffyrdd heb eu mabwysiadu. Felly, mae'n rhan o'r clytwaith hwn o ffioedd mympwyol y mae'n rhaid i bobl eu talu weithiau, ac mae'n drueni mewn rhai ffyrdd na allwn eu clymu wrth ei gilydd mewn un Bil mawr. Ond wrth gwrs, byddai hynny'n rhy anodd yn gyfansoddiadol. Un neu ddau o bwyntiau sy'n berthnasol iawn yw'r ffaith y gallai fod angen inni ystyried sut y mae Llywodraeth y DU yn deddfu ar y pwyntiau hyn, fel arall gallech gael gwahaniaethau yn y farchnad dai, ac rydych wedi cyfeirio at hynny ym mhwynt 2 (c) eich cynnig. A'r broblem fawr arall yw'r her gyfreithiol a'r ffaith nad oes proses apelio gan rydd-ddeiliaid, ac rydych wedi mynd i'r afael â hynny ym mhwynt 1 eich cynnig. Felly, mae'n gynnig da. Pe bai modd cynnwys y pwyntiau hyn i gyd, gyda rhyw fath o ddeddfwriaeth yng Nghymru, gallem gael canlyniad da. Gallai gryfhau hawliau rhydd-ddeiliaid a sicrhau bod hawliau rhydd-ddeiliaid yn y maes hwn yr un peth yng Nghymru ac yn Lloegr, ac rwy'n credu mai dyna fyddai'r ateb gorau yn ôl pob tebyg, os gallwn ei gyflawni. Felly, rydym ni yn y grŵp UKIP yn cytuno gyda'r cynnig heddiw, a gobeithio y gall y ddadl heddiw sbarduno rhai camau ystyrlon i ddatrys y broblem hon. Diolch i chi.