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English: And I will attempt to lead on from that previous question. You say that 7 per cent of the population is drinking at levels that would be considered as truly harmful or problematic. One criticism of introducing a minimum unit price is that it targets those people who drink moderately. Do you therefore believe that this Bill and what is proposed are proportionate? If you do believe that, then what convinces you of that fact?
Welsh: Ac mi wnaf i, os y gallaf i, arwain ymlaen o'r cwestiwn diwethaf. Rydych chi'n dweud mai 7 y cant o'r boblogaeth sydd yn yfed ar lefelau a fyddai'n cael eu hystyried yn wirioneddol niweidiol neu'n broblemus. Un feirniadaeth am gyflwyno isafbrif alcohol ydy ei fod o'n targedu pobl sy'n yfed yn gymedrol. A ydych chi felly yn credu bod y Bil a'r hyn sy'n cael ei gynnig yn gymesur, yn proportionate? Os ydych chi, beth sy'n gwneud ichi gredu bod hwn yn gymesur?
English: Yes, yes. [ Laughter. ]
Welsh: Ie, ie. [ Chwerthin. ]
English: Thank you very much. The questions have come to an end in a timely manner. Thank you very much for your answers this morning and for the written evidence you submitted in advance. Can I also let you know that you will receive a transcript of this morning's discussions for you to check for accuracy? Thank you very much. Can I tell my fellow Members that we're going to have a five-minute break now before the second item? Five minutes. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Ar amser, mae'r cwestiynau wedi dod i ben. Felly, a allaf i ddiolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd am eich atebion y bore yma ac am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig a gyflwynwyd ymlaen llaw? Gallaf i hefyd gyhoeddi y byddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau y bore yma er mwyn i chi allu cadarnhau eu bod nhw'n ffeithiol gywir. Felly, gyda hynny o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi i gyd. A allaf i ddweud wrth fy nghyd-Aelodau hefyd y byddwn ni'n torri am egwyl o bum munud rŵan cyn yr ail eitem? Pum munud. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Welcome back to members of the Health, Social Care and Sports Committee to the third item this morning, following that short break. We have taken evidence in the previous item, and now we're moving to item 3 and a continuation of evidence on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill. This is evidence session 2. Before us, we have witnesses from BMA Cymru Wales, the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College of Psychiatrists. Can I specifically, therefore, welcome Dr David Bailey, chair of the BMA Welsh council? Also, Dr Ruth Alcolado, from the Royal College of Physicians - good morning. And Dr Ranjini Rao, consultant addiction psychiatrist, Aneurin Bevan university health board, the Royal College of Psychiatrists. Good morning to you all. We have received your written evidence in advance and we have looked at it very carefully. So, if it's okay with you, we're going to go straight into specific questions, and Caroline Jones is going to begin - Caroline.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i aelodau o'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon i'r drydedd eitem y bore yma, wedi'r egwyl fer yna. Rydym wedi cael tystiolaeth yn yr eitem flaenorol, ac rydym yn troi, rŵan, at eitem 3 a pharhad o'n tystiolaeth ar Fil Iechyd y Cyhoedd (Isafbris am Alcohol) (Cymru), sesiwn dystiolaeth 2. O'n blaenau, mae tystion o BMA Cymru, Coleg Brenhinol y Meddygon a Choleg Brenhinol y Seiciatryddion. Felly, yn benodol, a allaf groesawu Dr David Bailey, cadeirydd cyngor BMA Cymru? Croeso. Hefyd, Dr Ruth Alcolado, Coleg Brenhinol y Meddygon - bore da. A hefyd, Dr Ranjini Rao, seiciatrydd dibyniaethau ymgynghorol, bwrdd iechyd prifysgol Aneurin Bevan, Coleg Brenhinol y Seiciatryddion. Bore da i chi gyd. Rydym wedi derbyn y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw ac y mae hi wedi'i darllen mewn cryn fanylder gan Aelodau. Felly, gyda'ch caniatâd, awn ni'n syth i mewn i gwestiynau penodol, ac mae Caroline Jones yn mynd i ddechrau - Caroline.
English: One clear criticism of introducing a minimum unit price is that it impacts everyone across the board, including moderate drinkers, not just those who are drinking at problematic levels. Given that that is the case, is what's being proposed - in your opinion - proportionate?
Welsh: Un feirniadaeth amlwg iawn o gyflwyno isafbris ydy ei fod yn effeithio ar bawb, yn cynnwys yfwyr cymedrol, nid dim ond yr yfwyr problematig. O ystyried bod hynny'n wir, a ydy'r hyn sydd yn cael ei gynnig - a ydych chi'n meddwl - yn gymesur - yn proportionate?
English: Great, and that brings us to the end of our questions. Thank you very much for all coming in today, and thank you for the written evidence that you submitted in advance. We will be sending you a transcript of today's discussions to check for factual accuracy. With those few words, I thank you again for your attendance. Thank you very much. I also announce to my fellow Members that we will take a 10-minute break now before coming back for the fourth item. Thank you.
Welsh: Grêt, a dyna ni, dyna ddiwedd y cwestiynau. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich presenoldeb. Diolch yn fawr hefyd am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw. Mi fyddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma i gadarnhau ei fod e'n ffeithiol gywir. Felly, gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr i chi'ch tri am eich presenoldeb. Diolch yn fawr. A gallaf i gyhoeddi i fy nghyd-Aelodau y cawn ni doriad nawr am 10 munud cyn dod yn ôl at y bedwaredd eitem. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Welcome back, everybody, to this, the latest session of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here at the National Assembly for Wales. We have reached item 4, which is a continuation of our discussions on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill. In front of us now we have witnesses for evidence session 3, who are the directors of public protection Wales and the Welsh Local Government Association. Welcome to the three of you. May I welcome, please, David Riley, chair of the Wales Heads of Trading Standards, and head of public protection services at the Isle of Anglesey County Council, David Jones, national co-ordinator, Trading Standards Wales, and Simon Wilkinson, policy officer, WLGA? Thank you very much for coming here today. We have received a lot of written evidence in advance on the subject. So, if you're happy, we'll go straight into questions. Caroline Jones to start then, please.
Welsh: Croeso nôl, bawb, i sesiwn diweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yng Nhynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru. Rydym ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 4 rŵan, sef parhad efo'n trafodaethau wrth edrych i mewn i Fil Iechyd y Cyhoedd (Isafbrif am Alcohol) (Cymru). Dyma, o'n blaenau ni rŵan, ydy sesiwn dystiolaeth rhif 3. O'n blaenau mae cyfarwyddwyr diogelu'r cyhoedd Cymru a Chymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru. Croeso i chi'ch tri yn benodol, felly, ac a gaf i groesawu David Riley, cadeirydd Penaethiaid Safonau Masnach Cymru, a phennaeth gwasanaethau diogelu'r cyhoedd yng Nghyngor Sir Ynys Môn, David Jones, cydlynydd cenedlaethol Safonau Masnach Cymru, a Simon Wilkinson, swyddog polisi Cymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru? Diolch yn fawr iawn i'r tri ohonoch chi am eich presenoldeb. Rydym ni wedi derbyn peth wmbredd o dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw ar y pwnc yma. Felly, gyda'ch caniatâd, awn ni yn syth i mewn i gwestiynau. Felly, mae gan Caroline Jones y ddau gwestiwn cyntaf. Caroline.
English: If I may, I'd like to go into a little more depth on that. The explanatory memorandum also states that they expect a high level of compliance, and you've said the same. On what basis do you come to that conclusion?
Welsh: Os caf i barhau a holi ychydig bach mwy ynglŷn â hynny: mae'r memorandwm esboniadol hefyd yn dweud eu bod nhw'n disgwyl lefel uchel o gydymffurfiaeth. Rydych chi hefyd yn dweud eich bod yn disgwyl lefel uchel. Ar ba sail a ydych chi'n dod i'r casgliad yna?
English: Did you want to say anything?
Welsh: A oeddech chi eisiau dweud rhywbeth?
English: And there may be a need for additional skills from officers because every new legislation leads to a need to enhance the skills of officers to deal with that legislation. Are you confident on the capacity to train officers to deal with this? Does the explanatory memorandum deal with that sufficiently? Are there issues around training and preparedness for officials that we need to consider? David or - ?
Welsh: Ac o bosib, hefyd, mae yna sgiliau gwahanol sydd eu hangen ar swyddogion, wrth gwrs, achos mae pob deddfwriaeth newydd yn golygu'r angen i ehangu gallu'r swyddogion i ddelio â deddfwriaeth newydd. A ydych chi'n hyderus ynglŷn â'r gallu i hyfforddi swyddogion i ddelio â hwn? A ydy'r memorandwm esboniadol yn delio â hynny'n ddigon da? A oes yna issues o gwmpas hyfforddi a pharodrwydd swyddogion yr ydym ni angen meddwl amdanyn nhw? David neu - ?
English: Thank you very much. That's the end of our questions. Thank you very much to the three of you for coming today, and also for the written evidence you submitted in advance. Thank you very much. Can I let you know that you will receive a transcript of these discussions for you to check them for factual accuracy? With those few words, thank you very much to the three of you. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Grêt. Diolch yn fawr. Dyna ddiwedd y cwestiynau. A allaf i ddiolch yn fawr iawn i chi'ch tri am eich presenoldeb y bore yma, a hefyd am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw? Felly, diolch yn fawr i chi. A gaf i bellach gyhoeddi y byddwch chi yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma er mwyn i chi gallu gwirio ei fod yn ffeithiol gywir? Gyda chymaint â hynny o eiriau, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi'ch tri. Diolch yn fawr.
English: We'll move on now to item 5, papers to note. Members will have read, of course, the letter from this committee to the Cabinet Secretary, and also the letter in response to that letter from the Cabinet Secretary on this Bill regarding the minimum price for alcohol.
Welsh: Symud ymlaen i eitem 5 nawr, papurau i'w nodi. Mi fydd Aelodau wedi darllen yn drylwyr, yn naturiol, y llythyr oddi wrth y pwyllgor hwn at Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, a hefyd llythyr mewn ymateb i'r llythyr yna oddi wrth Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet ar y Mesur yma ynglŷn ag isafbris am alcohol.
English: So, following those papers to note, can we move on to item 6, please, and the motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting? Is everyone content? I see that you are. We will go into private session to discuss the evidence.
Welsh: Felly, yn dilyn y papurau i'w nodi, rydym ni'n symud ymlaen i eitem 6, a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Pawb yn cytuno? Mae pawb yn cytuno, felly fe awn ni i mewn i sesiwn breifat rŵan i drafod y dystiolaeth.
English: Thank you, Chair. Following on, first of all, from your point about an overview and also the previous conversation about the minimum unit price of alcohol, this legislation, this is a minimum price of alcohol and it doesn't just rely therefore on the lowest price per unit - there is a formula, of course, isn't there? It's worth emphasising that: the formula comes from multiplying the strength of the alcohol by its volume and it is also multiplied by the lowest price per unit. So, it's not just a matter of minimum pricing of alcohol per unit. Maybe it's worth emphasising that in any sort of overview, if you're going to avoid this sort of discussion in the future, because it's not just about the price of a unit of alcohol - there's a formula that is a mixture of three elements: the volume, the strength and the lowest price per unit. I was going to concentrate, therefore, on detailed technical issues regarding clarity and the accessibility of the law. Could I ask you first of all why do sections 1, 3, 5, 6 and 6 (3) include worked examples on the face of the Bill and also in the explanatory notes, while section 7 does not? Is there a specific reason for that?
Welsh: Diolch, Gadeirydd. Yn dilyn ymlaen, yn gyntaf, o'ch pwynt chi am drosolwg a hefyd y sgwrs flaenorol ynglŷn â'r pris isaf am uned o alcohol, wrth gwrs, y ddeddfwriaeth yma, isafbris am alcohol ydy hwn, nid yw jest yn ddibynnol felly ar y pris isaf am uned - mae yna fformiwla, wrth gwrs, onid oes? Mae gwerth pwysleisio hynny: fformiwla sydd yn dod yna trwy luosi cryfder canran yr alcohol gan ei gyfaint a hefyd yn cael ei luosi gan y pris isaf am uned. Felly, nid jest mater o isafbris uned alcohol yw hwn. Efallai y buasai'n well pwysleisio hynny mewn unrhyw arolwg, os ydym yn mynd i osgoi'r fath drafodaeth o hyn ymlaen, achos nid jest am bris uned o alcohol yw e - mae yna fformiwla sydd yn gymysgedd o dair elfen: cryfder canran alcohol, ei gyfaint o, yn ogystal â phris isaf uned. Roeddwn i'n mynd i ganolbwyntio felly ynglŷn â materion technegol manwl ynglŷn ag eglurder a darllenadwyedd y gyfraith. A allaf ofyn yn y lle cyntaf pam mae adrannau 1, 3, 5, 6 a 6 (3) yn cynnwys enghreifftiau fesul cam ar wyneb y Bil ac yn y nodiadau esboniadol, ond nid yn adran 7? A oes yna reswm penodol dros hynny?
English: Further, on the same sort of point, what is the legislative status and legislative effect of the text in sections 1 (3), 5 (6) and 6 (3) of the Bill?
Welsh: Bellach, ar yr un math o bwynt, beth ydy statws deddfwriaethol ac effaith ddeddfwriaethol y testun yn adrannau 1 (3), 5 (6) a 6 (3) yn y Bil?
English: Okay. Moving on to wording that could possibly be clearer in section 2, would it be possible to use simple wording, for example, for 'adduced' in subsection 3 and 'immaterial' in subsection 4? I think 'adduced' and 'immaterial' are the words used in English. I take it that there is a clear definition of those words - or is it possible to use simpler words?
Welsh: Ocê. Symud ymlaen, ynglŷn â geiriad a allai o bosibl fod yn fwy clir yn adran 2, a fyddai'n bosibl defnyddio geiriad symlach ar gyfer 'dygir' yn is-adran 3 ac 'amherthnasol' yn is-adran 4? Rwy'n credu taw 'adduced' ac 'immaterial' ydyn nhw yn y Saesneg. Rwy'n cymryd bod yna ddiffiniad clir o'r geiriau yna - neu a ydy'n bosibl defnyddio geiriau symlach?
English: I understand the point, but, of course, we are moving to a new area with regard to legislation in Wales, and the Chair, in his previous role, has led the way in this regard in making Welsh legislation more understandable and accessible to the person in the street, and not just for those who are employed full-time in courts, but for the regular person in the street. That's the importance of clarity and accessibility of law. In section 3, following on from that, I just wondered what is meant in section 3 (1) by 'related expressions are to be construed accordingly.' There are two of them there with regards to related expressions being construed accordingly. Could they be interpreted differently?
Welsh: Rwy'n deall y pwynt, ond, wrth gwrs, rydym ni'n symud i ardal newydd efo deddfwriaeth yng Nghymru, ac roedd y Cadeirydd, o dan ei rôl flaenorol, yn arwain y gad yn fan hyn ynglŷn â gwneud deddfwriaeth Gymreig o hyn ymlaen yn fwy dealladwy i'r person ar y stryd, ac wedyn, yn dilyn - nid jest i'r rheini sydd yn cael eu cyflogi yn llawn amser mewn llys barn, felly, ond i'r person arferol ar y stryd. Dyna ydy pwysigrwydd eglurder a darllenadwyedd y gyfraith. Yn adran 3, yn dilyn o hynny, a gaf i jest gofyn hefyd beth a olygir o dan adran 3 (1) wrth 'ymadraddion cysylltiedig i gael eu dehongli yn unol â hynny'? Mae yna ddau ohonyn nhw yn fanna ynglŷn ag ymadrodd a allai gael ei ddehongli mewn mwy nag un ffordd.
English: The first item on our agenda this afternoon is questions to the First Minister, and the first question is from David Melding.
Welsh: Yr eitem gyntaf ar ein hagenda ni y prynhawn yma yw cwestiynau i'r Prif Weinidog, a'r cwestiwn cyntaf, David Melding.
English: Yes. Rent Smart Wales is self-financing through fees. We do, however, support local authorities to promote and enforce registration with Rent Smart Wales.
Welsh: Gwnaf. Mae Rhentu Doeth Cymru yn ariannu ei hun drwy ffioedd. Rydym ni, fodd bynnag, yn cynorthwyo awdurdodau lleol i hyrwyddo a gorfodi cofrestriad gyda Rhentu Doeth Cymru.
English: First Minister, according to the freedom of information request put forward by the Residential Landlords Association, Rent Smart Wales is currently operating at over double its projected cost. At the end of February 2017, it had hired 50 full-time equivalents to administer the scheme, which is five times the projection of your regulatory impact assessment. Was the Welsh Government naive in its estimates of the administrative costs of Rent Smart Wales, or is inefficiency at Rent Smart Wales to blame?
Welsh: Prif Weinidog, yn ôl y cais rhyddid gwybodaeth a wnaed gan y Gymdeithas Landlordiaid Preswyl, mae Rhentu Doeth Cymru yn gweithredu ar dros ddwbl ei gost rhagamcanol ar hyn o bryd. Erbyn diwedd mis Chwefror 2017, roedd wedi cyflogi 50 o weithwyr cyfwerth ag amser llawn i weinyddu'r cynllun, sydd bum gwaith yr amcanestyniad o'ch asesiad effaith rheoleiddiol. A oedd Llywodraeth Cymru yn naïf yn ei hamcangyfrifon o gostau gweinyddol Rhentu Doeth Cymru, neu ai aneffeithlonrwydd yn Rhentu Doeth Cymru sydd ar fai?
English: As I said, Rent Smart Wales is entirely self-financing. It's paid for through the fees for registration and licensing of landlords and agents, and it's a matter for Rent Smart Wales, of course, which is run by Cardiff council, to explain its operating costs and what it does with the personnel that it has.
Welsh: Fel y dywedais, mae Rhentu Doeth Cymru yn ariannu ei hun yn llwyr. Telir amdano drwy ffioedd ar gyfer cofrestru a thrwyddedu landlordiaid ac asiantau, a mater i Rhentu Doeth Cymru, wrth gwrs, sy'n cael ei redeg gan gyngor Caerdydd, yw esbonio ei gostau gweithredu a'r hyn y mae'n ei wneud gyda'r personél sydd ganddo.
English: First Minister, how does the work of Rent Smart Wales help towards supporting the most vulnerable members of our society who live in private rented accommodation?
Welsh: Prif Weinidog, sut mae gwaith Rhentu Doeth Cymru yn helpu tuag at gynorthwyo aelodau mwyaf agored i niwed ein cymdeithas sy'n byw mewn llety rhent preifat?
English: Rent Smart Wales ensures that anyone involved in the letting and management of properties is both fit and proper and trained. The fit-and-proper-person test makes sure that nobody with unspent criminal convictions can have any involvement with a tenant, particularly important, of course, when dealing with vulnerable tenants. And training ensures that a landlord or agent is aware of their legal responsibilities, especially in terms of the safety of the property they let.
Welsh: Mae Rhentu Doeth Cymru yn sicrhau bod unrhyw un sy'n ymwneud â gosod a rheoli adeiladau yn addas a phriodol ac wedi ei hyfforddi. Mae'r prawf person addas a phriodol yn gwneud yn siŵr na all neb ag euogfarnau troseddol heb eu disbyddu gael unrhyw gyswllt â thenant, sy'n arbennig o bwysig, wrth gwrs, wrth ymdrin â thenantiaid agored i niwed. Ac mae hyfforddiant yn sicrhau bod landlord neu asiant yn ymwybodol o'i gyfrifoldebau cyfreithiol, yn enwedig o ran diogelwch yr adeilad y mae'n ei osod.
English: First Minister, figures released last week showed that 86,238 landlords are now registered, meaning an estimated 3,762 are letting properties illegally. Registering as landlords costs £33.50 if completed online, and £80.50 on paper, irrespective of the number of properties they have. The scheme was launched on 23 November 2015, giving landlords 12 months to register, before it became law last year. First Minister, isn't it time that all landlords followed the example of the vast majority and live up to their social obligations to their tenants, comply with the law and deliver decent housing conditions in Wales? And what can the Welsh Government do to aid bringing those who, for whatever reason, continue to flout the law - ?
Welsh: Prif Weinidog, dangosodd ffigurau a gyhoeddwyd yr wythnos diwethaf bod 86,238 o landlordiaid wedi eu cofrestru erbyn hyn, sy'n golygu bod amcangyfrif o 3,762 yn gosod adeiladau yn anghyfreithlon. Mae cofrestru fel landlordiaid yn costio £33.50 os caiff ei wneud ar-lein, ac £80.50 ar bapur, waeth faint o adeiladau sydd ganddyn nhw. Lansiwyd y cynllun ar 23 Tachwedd 2015, gan roi 12 mis i landlordiaid gofrestru, cyn iddo ddod yn gyfraith y llynedd. Prif Weinidog, onid yw'n bryd i bob landlord ddilyn esiampl y mwyafrif llethol a chyflawni eu rhwymedigaethau cymdeithasol i'w tenantiaid, cydymffurfio â'r gyfraith a darparu amodau tai addas yng Nghymru? A beth all Llywodraeth Cymru ei wneud i helpu i ddod â'r rheini sydd, am ba reswm bynnag, yn parhau dorri'r gyfraith - ?
English: Well, I absolutely agree that those landlords who have, as yet, failed to come forward need to do that now. They are breaking the law. If landlords come forward now, they may escape any financial penalties for non-compliance. If they don't come forward now and are subsequently found out, then, of course, Rent Smart Wales could issue fines, take them to court for prosecution, and they even have the power to remove their ability to let or manage properties. So, the sanctions are there. It's hugely important that landlords avoid those sanctions by complying with the law.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr bod angen i'r landlordiaid hynny sydd wedi methu, hyd yma, â dod ymlaen, wneud hynny nawr. Maen nhw'n torri'r gyfraith. Os daw landlordiaid ymlaen nawr, efallai y byddan nhw'n osgoi unrhyw gosbau ariannol am beidio â chydymffurfio. Os na fyddan nhw'n dod ymlaen nawr ac yn cael eu darganfod yn ddiweddarach, yna, wrth gwrs, gallai Rhentu Doeth Cymru gyflwyno dirwyon, mynd â nhw i'r llys i'w herlyn, ac mae'r grym ganddyn nhw hyd yn oed i ddiddymu eu gallu i osod neu reoli adeiladau. Felly, mae'r cosbau yno. Mae'n hynod bwysig bod landlordiaid yn osgoi'r cosbau hynny trwy gydymffurfio â'r gyfraith.
English: Improving mental health services continues to be a priority for the Welsh Government and we have committed a further £40 million for mental health services over the next two years.
Welsh: Mae gwella gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl yn parhau i fod yn flaenoriaeth i Lywodraeth Cymru ac rydym ni wedi ymrwymo £40 miliwn ychwanegol ar gyfer gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl dros y ddwy flynedd nesaf.