English: Diolch yn fawr. Can I thank everybody who has contributed? And at the risk of becoming embroiled in this debate as to who's responsible for what, I think it's pretty clear; the first substantive section of our report as a committee, on page 2, starts with the words 'Telecommunications is a reserved matter', so it is clear. But that doesn't absolve the Welsh Government from some responsibility, because there are other areas of policies, such as planning, for example, that have a key role to play, leveraging private investment through various initiatives as well. There's plenty that everybody could be doing to try and further the agenda that we're all supportive of here, regardless of who we think is primarily at fault for this, that and the other. But, of course, as a committee, we can't make recommendations to the UK Government, because they're not beholden to our committee in any way, therefore our very first recommendation is to the Welsh Government to engage with the UK Government, because that's the only way we can do it, to ensure that they do develop new initiatives to meet the particular needs of Wales. And I have to say, the reality is - and there's no getting away from this, regardless of who you think is to blame - the money being provided by the UK Government does not reflect the particular issues we have in Wales, and I mentioned the mountainous topography, et cetera; it's more expensive to roll out broadband in Wales than it is in other parts of the UK. The UK Government doesn't recognise that in its funding, and that is why the Welsh Government has stepped up and plugged that gap. But, in the current economic climate, the Welsh Government cannot justify continuing to do that. So, you can't have it both ways. We have to focus on devolved matters here primarily. Yes, we can do other things, but the reality is that the UK Government have to step up now and reflect the true cost of rolling out broadband in Wales, which is something they haven't done for many, many years. Luke referred to this as a necessary and enabling service, and referenced older people, those with disabilities, younger people, and unemployed people looking for work. And that reminded me, actually, that there is another element in our report about some possible disconnect between Government policies here, because one of the policies is for 30 per cent of the workforce to be working from home in future, based on climate considerations, et cetera. Well, many of these people will not be able to work from home because of a failure of policy in this particular area. The digital first policy, in terms of if you are applying for a basic payment, then as a farmer you have to primarily use the digital means of applying for that, but, of course, they are the very people who have probably the least access, as a profession, to being able to do that. So, I think we do need to join up some of the thinking around this as well. Carolyn, I'm glad you mentioned the Bangor University DSP initiative. I'm visiting tomorrow morning, so I can't wait, really, to learn about some of the innovative solutions that they're bringing forward there, especially for some of the rural communities. Mabon ap Gwynfor mentioned the vouchers system, and the Minister mentioned the Welsh Government top-up. Of course, what's unfortunate is that I now have constituents of mine who were preparing themselves and waiting for vouchers to come through, dependent on the Welsh Government funding as part of that, who are now left without that funding, meaning that the whole proposal collapses. It's unfortunate that maybe some of those who were at a certain point should have still been able to access some funds, and maybe the Minister could consider whether some particular support is available for those. Although, some of those that were part of those initiatives have now peeled away and done their own thing, and the whole thing is maybe not as viable as it would have been, and that is very unfortunate. And, of course, it's the Welsh Government that gets it then for pulling the plug, whereas, of course, we've spoken about who maybe should have been funding that in the first place. Thank you, Alun, for reminding us about the remit of Ofcom. I think you're right; there was a strategic mistake there in terms of focusing on consumers, although, of course, that's the nature of the beast. But, we are looking here about access for everyone in terms of broadband and the wider needs of citizens rather than a particular focus on consumers. Minister, I am grateful that you've accepted all of our recommendations. Consensus has broken out, on that front at least, but, of course, it remains to be seen whether action and change will follow, whoever is responsible for achieving that, but certainly, we as a committee will be revisiting this area regularly over coming months and years to ensure that no stone is left unturned in terms of connectivity, and that no business and no household is left behind. Diolch.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. A gaf fi ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu? A chan fentro cael fy sugno i mewn i'r ddadl ynglŷn â phwy sy'n gyfrifol am beth, rwy'n credu ei fod yn eithaf clir; mae prif ran gyntaf ein hadroddiad fel pwyllgor, ar dudalen 2, yn dechrau gyda'r geiriau 'Mae telathrebu yn fater a gedwir yn ôl', felly mae'n eglur. Ond nid yw hynny'n golygu nad oes gan Llywodraeth Cymru rywfaint o gyfrifoldeb, oherwydd mae yna feysydd polisi eraill, fel cynllunio er enghraifft, sydd â rôl allweddol i'w chwarae, a denu buddsoddiad preifat drwy fentrau amrywiol hefyd. Mae digon y gallai pawb fod yn ei wneud i geisio hyrwyddo'r agenda rydym i gyd yn ei chefnogi yma, ni waeth pwy y credwn sydd fwyaf ar fai am hyn, llall ac arall. Ond wrth gwrs, fel pwyllgor, ni allwn wneud argymhellion i Lywodraeth y DU, oherwydd nid ydynt yn atebol i'n pwyllgor ni mewn unrhyw ffordd, felly ein hargymhelliad cyntaf un yw i Lywodraeth Cymru ymgysylltu â Llywodraeth y DU, oherwydd dyna'r unig ffordd y gallwn ei wneud, er mwyn sicrhau eu bod yn datblygu cynlluniau newydd i ddiwallu anghenion penodol Cymru. A rhaid i mi ddweud, y realiti yw - ac nid oes dianc rhag hyn, ni waeth pwy y credwch sydd ar fai - nid yw'r arian sy'n cael ei ddarparu gan Lywodraeth y DU yn adlewyrchu'r problemau penodol sydd gennym yng Nghymru, a soniais am y topograffi mynyddig ac yn y blaen; mae cyflwyno band eang yng Nghymru'n ddrutach nag y mae mewn rhannau eraill o'r DU. Nid yw Llywodraeth y DU yn cydnabod hynny yn ei chyllid, a dyna pam fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi camu i'r adwy a llenwi'r bwlch hwnnw. Ond yn yr hinsawdd economaidd sydd ohoni, ni all Llywodraeth Cymru gyfiawnhau parhau i wneud hynny. Felly, ni allwch ei chael y ddwy ffordd. Rhaid i ni ganolbwyntio ar faterion sydd wedi'u datganoli yma yn bennaf. Gallwn, fe allwn ni wneud pethau eraill, ond y gwir amdani yw bod Llywodraeth y DU yn gorfod camu i'r adwy nawr ac adlewyrchu gwir gost cyflwyno band eang yng Nghymru, sy'n rhywbeth nad ydynt wedi'i wneud ers blynyddoedd lawer. Cyfeiriodd Luke at hwn fel gwasanaeth angenrheidiol sy'n galluogi, a chyfeiriodd at bobl hŷn, pobl ag anableddau, pobl iau, a phobl ddi-waith sy'n chwilio am waith. Ac fe wnaeth hynny fy atgoffa, mewn gwirionedd, fod yna elfen arall yn ein hadroddiad am ddatgysylltiad posibl rhwng polisïau'r Llywodraeth yma, oherwydd un o'r polisïau yw sicrhau bod 30 y cant o'r gweithlu yn gweithio gartref yn y dyfodol, yn seiliedig ar ystyriaethau hinsawdd ac yn y blaen. Wel, ni fydd llawer o'r bobl hyn yn gallu gweithio gartref oherwydd methiant polisi yn y maes penodol hwn. O ran y polisi digidol yn gyntaf, os ydych yn gwneud cais am daliad sylfaenol, yna fel ffermwr rhaid ichi yn y lle cyntaf ddefnyddio'r dull digidol o wneud cais am hwnnw, ond wrth gwrs, hwy yw'r union bobl sy'n lleiaf tebygol fel proffesiwn o allu gwneud hynny, mae'n debyg. Felly, rwy'n credu bod angen inni gydgysylltu ffyrdd o feddwl mewn perthynas â hyn hefyd. Carolyn, rwy'n falch eich bod wedi sôn am fenter prosesu signalau digidol Prifysgol Bangor. Rwy'n ymweld â hwy bore fory, felly ni allaf aros i ddysgu am rai o'r atebion arloesol y maent yn eu cyflwyno yno, yn enwedig i rai o'r cymunedau gwledig. Soniodd Mabon ap Gwynfor am y system dalebau, a soniodd y Gweinidog am symiau ychwanegol Llywodraeth Cymru. Wrth gwrs, yr hyn sy'n anffodus yw bod gennyf etholwyr bellach a oedd yn ymbaratoi ac yn aros i dalebau ddod drwodd, yn ddibynnol ar gyllid Llywodraeth Cymru yn rhan o hynny, sydd bellach heb y cyllid hwnnw, sy'n golygu bod yr holl gynnig yn chwalu. Mae'n anffodus y dylai rhai o'r bobl a oedd ar bwynt penodol fod wedi dal i allu cael peth o'r arian, ac efallai y gallai'r Gweinidog ystyried a oes rhyw gymorth penodol ar gael i'r rheini. Er, mae rhai o'r rheini a oedd yn rhan o'r mentrau hynny bellach wedi gadael a dilyn eu trywydd eu hunain, ac efallai nad yw'r holl beth mor hyfyw ag y byddai wedi bod, ac mae hynny'n anffodus iawn. Ac wrth gwrs, Llywodraeth Cymru sy'n cael y bai am ddod â'r cyfan i ben, ond wrth gwrs, rydym wedi siarad am bwy ddylai fod wedi bod yn ariannu hynny yn y lle cyntaf. Diolch, Alun, am ein hatgoffa am gylch gwaith Ofcom. Rwy'n credu eich bod yn gywir; roedd yna gamgymeriad strategol yno o ran canolbwyntio ar ddefnyddwyr, er, wrth gwrs, dyna natur y bwystfil. Ond rydym yn edrych yma am fynediad i bawb at fand eang ac anghenion ehangach dinasyddion yn hytrach na ffocws penodol ar ddefnyddwyr. Weinidog, rwy'n ddiolchgar eich bod wedi derbyn ein holl argymhellion. Mae gennym gonsensws, yn hynny o beth o leiaf, ond wrth gwrs, rydym yn dal i aros i weld a fydd camau gweithredu a newid yn dilyn, pwy bynnag sy'n gyfrifol am gyflawni hynny, ond yn sicr, byddwn ni fel pwyllgor yn ailedrych ar y maes hwn yn rheolaidd dros y misoedd a'r blynyddoedd nesaf i sicrhau ein bod yn gwneud popeth a allwn mewn perthynas â chysylltedd, ac nad oes unrhyw fusnes nac aelwyd yn cael eu gadael ar ôl. Diolch.