English: The concessionary pass, of course, is something that everyone appreciates and treasures. People look forward, I think, to reaching 60 years of age - [ Interruption. ] There's a problem. No, it's okay. Is it working? It should be working. We're okay. So, I was just saying that the concessionary pass on the bus is something that people treasure, and people very much look forward to reaching 60 years of age and receiving that pass. I'm still young, but I'm already looking forward to the way that I see many people benefitting from using these passes. So, it's not something to be taken lightly, of course, with regards to increasing the age of eligibility. I recognise that this isn't something that will happen in one go - it will happen over a period of time. But, despite that, there are questions that are important to ask with regard to the effect of this. We've heard reference to some of these already, and I'd like to have an assurance from the Minister with regard to the kinds of measurements that will be taken to try to forecast the costs that could arise as a result of raising the age of eligibility. The costs could be environmental if people choose not to use the bus and use their own cars. That's something that has been of great benefit in having these concessionary passes, that more people have chosen to use mass transport systems. I'd like to also hear about the kinds of measures that are going to be taken of the social costs as well of people choosing not to go out from their homes. I was speaking last night, as it happens, with one person who was vulnerable - very vulnerable - who was returning to their home after a day on the bus around Anglesey, and they'd had great pleasure in doing that. So, I'd like an assurance on those particular points as well. On the issue of providing the new passes, the difficulties with the online system did cause a great deal of concern to many of my constituents. It's important to look forward and not back, but what kind of stress test was made with the system, considering how many people were being asked to renew their passes? We heard one Minister - the finance Minister, I believe - saying a few weeks back, 'Oh, they have plenty of time; they have until the end of December'. That's not how people work. I've come across I don't know how many people in my office who want to sort this out today, because they're concerned that they're going to lose their passes, and I've seen the pain in their eyes. That's why I've been in my office with my staff providing a service to people, making the application on their behalf, and there are scores of people who've been coming into my office, and it's been great to be able to assist them. So, I would want certainty that everything is being done to engage with people as soon as possible to ensure that they can renew their passes, and also certainty that when the final day of December nears, the work increases to ensure that people have received the new passes. Because I know about the concern in local authorities. Your figures from the statement say that 47 per cent of every bus journey is now made by people with a concessionary pass. In losing those journeys, that's a loss of income to local government at a time when they can't afford to lose that income. So, I would like certainty that things will intensify in terms of the efforts to ensure that everyone receives their new pass as the final day of December approaches.
Welsh: Mae'r cerdyn teithio am ddim, wrth gwrs, yn rhywbeth y mae pawb yn ei werthfawrogi ac yn ei drysori. Mae pobl yn edrych ymlaen, dwi'n meddwl, at gyrraedd 60 oed - [ Torri ar draws. ] Mae yna broblem. Na, mae'n iawn. Ydy hynny'n gweithio? Ydy o'n gweithio bellach? Rydyn ni'n iawn. Dweud oeddwn i fod y cerdyn teithio ar y bysys am ddim yn rhywbeth y mae pobl yn ei drysori, ac yn iawn felly, hefyd. Mae pobl yn edrych ymlaen at gyrraedd 60 a chael y cerdyn am ddim. A dweud y gwir, a finnau ond yn ifanc, dwi'n edrych ymlaen yn barod at allu manteisio yn y ffordd dwi'n gweld llawer o bobl yn manteisio arno fo wrth ddefnyddio'r cerdyn yma. Ac felly nid rhywbeth i'w gymryd yn ysgafn, wrth gwrs, ydy cynyddu'r oedran. Dwi yn cydnabod nad rhywbeth fyddai'n digwydd mewn un cam ydy hyn - y byddai o'n digwydd dros gyfnod o amser. Ond, er hynny, mae yna gwestiynau dwi'n meddwl y mae'n bwysig eu gofyn ynglŷn â beth fydd effaith hyn. Rydyn ni wedi clywed cyfeiriadau at ambell un ohonyn nhw'n barod. Mi hoffwn i sicrwydd gan y Gweinidog ynglŷn â'r math o fesur fydd yn cael ei wneud i geisio rhagweld y costau allai godi yn sgil codi'r oedran - y costau'n amgylcheddol, o bosib, os ydy pobl yn dewis peidio â defnyddio'r bws ac yn defnyddio'u car eu hunain. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth sydd wedi bod o fantais fawr o gael y cerdyn teithio am ddim, sef bod mwy o bobl wedi dewis defnyddio dulliau teithio torfol. Ond hefyd, mi fyddwn i'n licio clywed am y math o fesur sydd yn neu sy'n mynd i gael ei wneud o'r costau cymdeithasol o bobl yn dewis peidio â mynd allan o'u cartrefi. Bues i'n siarad neithiwr, yn digwydd bod, ag un person a oedd yn fregus - yn fregus iawn - a oedd yn dychwelyd yn ôl i'w gartref ar ôl diwrnod ar y bws o gwmpas Ynys Môn, ac yn amlwg wedi cael pleser mawr o wneud hynny. Felly, mi hoffwn i sicrwydd ar y meysydd hynny. Ar y mater o ddarparu'r pasys newydd, mi oedd yr anawsterau efo'r system ar-lein yn rhywbeth wnaeth achosi pryder mawr i lawer iawn o'm hetholwyr i. Edrych ymlaen sy'n bwysig, nid edrych yn ôl, ond tybed pa fath o 'stress test-io' gafodd ei wneud ar y system, o ystyried gymaint o bobl oedd yn cael eu gofyn i adnewyddu eu pasys nhw? Ac mi glywsom ni un Gweinidog - y Gweinidog cyllid, dwi'n meddwl - yn dweud ychydig wythnosau'n ôl, 'O, mae ganddyn nhw ddigon o amser; mae ganddyn nhw tan ddiwedd mis Rhagfyr'. Nid fel hynny mae pobl yn gweithio. Dwi wedi dod ar draws wn i ddim faint o bobl yn fy swyddfa i sydd eisiau sortio hyn heddiw, oherwydd eu bod nhw'n poeni eu bod nhw'n mynd i golli eu pasys, a dwi wedi gweld y loes yn llygaid pobl. Dyna pam dwi yn fy swyddfa i efo fy staff i wedi bod yn cynnig gwasanaeth i bobl, yn gwneud y cais ar eu rhan nhw, ac mae yna ugeiniau o bobl wedi bod yn dod i mewn i'm swyddfa i, ac mae wedi bod yn braf iawn gallu eu helpu nhw. Felly, mi fuaswn i'n dymuno sicrwydd bod popeth yn cael ei wneud i ymgysylltu â phobl yn fuan i sicrhau eu bod nhw yn gallu cael adnewyddu eu pasys, a hefyd y sicrwydd, pan fydd diwrnod olaf mis Rhagfyr yn agosáu, fod y gwaith yn cynyddu o sicrhau bod pawb wedi cael y pasys newydd. Achos dwi'n gwybod am y pryder sydd yna mewn llywodraeth leol. Mae'ch ffigurau chi o'r datganiad heddiw yn dweud bod 47 y cant o bob siwrnai bws erbyn hyn yn cael eu cymryd gan bobl efo pàs. O golli'r siwrneiau hynny, mae hynny'n golled o incwm i lywodraeth leol ar adeg pan na allan nhw fforddio colli yr incwm yna. Felly, mi hoffwn i sicrwydd y bydd pethau'n dwysáu o ran yr ymdrechion i gael pawb i gael pàs newydd wrth i ddiwrnod olaf Rhagfyr agosáu.