English: Thank you, Llywydd. The purpose of group 4's amendments is to ensure that any appointments made under section 6, the removal or appointment of an officer of a registered social landlord, and section 8, the appointment of a manager of a registered social landlord, end when the relevant requirement is complied with, or the relevant failure is remedied. Under these sections, an officer can be appointed to ensure compliance with a requirement imposed by or under an enactment, and a manager can be appointed when the Welsh Ministers are satisfied that the RSL has failed to comply with the requirement imposed by or under an enactment. During the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee's scrutiny - and I should have mentioned earlier that I'm a member of that committee, though I think that fact is fairly well known - we asked the Minister whether consideration had been given to including provisions in sections 6 and 8 of the Bill regarding limiting the time for which an officer or a manager of an RSL are appointed by the Welsh Ministers where there's been a failure to comply with an enactment. We also queried whether it would be clearer to state that any appointments made under sections 6 or 8 of the Bill will end when the relevant requirement is complied with or the relevant failure has been remedied to the satisfaction of Welsh Ministers. In a letter of response to the CLAC report, the Minister argued that this recommendation, and I quote, 'would not allow for a transition period in which the officer would remain in post whilethe Welsh Ministers satisfied themselves that the RSL was now capable of operating without the officer's assistance.' Additionally, in Stage 2, the Minister argued that this amendment would remove the flexibility to have a transition period in which the officer or the manager would remain in post after the breach had been remedied. The Minister specifically said that, and I quote, 'It's often the case that there is further input required, for example, while Welsh Ministers monitor whether an RSL can sustain its improvement.' Now, I've got some sympathy with what the Government's trying to do, but I think in terms of clarity, it would be better to have a different approach. Directives would only be issued in rare and challenging circumstances, and so one would presume that Welsh Ministers would want an appointment to stay in place until they were beyond reasonable doubt that the issue has been rectified. So, I don't see why you quite have this need to talk about transition periods. Under this amendment, the appointment would still be at the discretion of the Welsh Ministers, who'd be obliged to end it when the failure was remedied or the requirement was complied with to their satisfaction, and, basically, this is just drafting the law more tightly, in a clearer definition, and it achieves the same intent. It would require the Welsh Minister to monitor the RSL for a period to ensure that they are satisfied. I agree that things have to be sustained. You can't just say 'Right, you've reached the required standard,' but the bell rings and, therefore, the requirement drops away. It's obviously got to be sustained, and I think that all that can be catered for in our clearer amendment. I so move.
Welsh: Diolch ichi, Llywydd. Diben gwelliannau grŵp 4 yw sicrhau bod unrhyw benodiadau a wneir o dan adran 6, diswyddo neu benodi swyddog landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig, ac adran 8, penodi rheolwr landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig, yn dod i ben pan gydymffurfir â gofyniad perthnasol, neu pan fo'r methiant perthnasol wedi ei ddatrys. O dan yr adrannau hyn, gellir penodi swyddog i sicrhau y cydymffurfir â gofyniad a osodir gan neu o dan ddeddfiad, a gellir penodi rheolwr pan fo Gweinidogion Cymru yn fodlon bod landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig wedi methu â chydymffurfio â gofyniad a osodir gan neu o dan ddeddfiad. Yn ystod gwaith craffu'r Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a deddfwriaethol - a dylwn fod wedi crybwyll yn gynharach fy mod yn aelod o'r pwyllgor hwnnw, er fy mod i'n tybio bod y ffaith honno'n un weddol hysbys - fe wnaethom ni ofyn i'r Gweinidog p'un a roddwyd ystyriaeth i gynnwys darpariaethau yn adrannau 6 ac 8 o'r Bil ynghylch cyfyngu ar yr amser y penodir swyddog neu reolwr landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig gan Weinidogion Cymru lle bu methiant i gydymffurfio â deddfiad. Fe wnaethom ni hefyd gwestiynu a fyddai hi'n gliriach dweud y bydd unrhyw benodiadau a wneir o dan adrannau 6 neu 8 o'r Bil yn dod i ben pan fo Gweinidogion Cymru yn fodlon y cydymffurfir â'r gofyniad perthnasol. Mewn llythyr o ymateb i adroddiad y Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a Deddfwriaethol, dadleuodd y Gweinidog na fyddai'r argymhelliad hwn yn caniatáu ar gyfer cyfnod pontio ble gallai'r swyddog barhau yn ei swydd wrth i Weinidogion Cymru sicrhau eu hunain eu bod yn fodlon bod y landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig bellach yn gallu gweithredu heb gymorth y swyddog. Yn ogystal â hyn, yng Nghyfnod 2, dadleuodd y Gweinidog y byddai'r gwelliant hwn yn dileu yr hyblygrwydd i gael cyfnod pontio ble byddai'r swyddog neu'r rheolwr yn parhau yn y swydd ar ôl datrys y toramod. Yn benodol, dywedodd y Gweinidog ei bod hi'n aml yn wir bod mewnbwn pellach yn ofynnol, er enghraifft, wrth i Weinidogion Cymru fonitro p'un a all landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig gynnal y gwelliant a wnaeth. Nawr, mae gen i rywfaint o gydymdeimlad â'r hyn y mae'r Llywodraeth yn ceisio ei wneud, ond credaf o ran eglurder, y byddai'n well cael dull gwahanol. Byddai cyfarwyddebau yn cael eu cyhoeddi dim ond mewn amgylchiadau prin a heriol, a byddai rhywun yn tybio felly y byddai Gweinidogion Cymru yn dymuno i'r swyddog aros yn ei swydd nes eu bod yn credu y tu hwnt i amheuaeth resymol bod y mater wedi'i gywiro. Felly, nid wyf yn gweld pam rydych chi'n teimlo bod angen siarad am gyfnodau pontio. O dan y gwelliant hwn, byddai'r penodiad yn dal i fod yn unol â doethineb Gweinidogion Cymru, a byddai'n ofynnol iddynt hwythau derfynnu hynny ar ôl datrys y methiant neu pan font yn fodlon y cydymffurfir â'r gofyniad, ac, yn y bôn, yr oll y mae hyn yn ei wneud yw drafftio'r gyfraith yn fwy tyn, gyda diffiniad cliriach, ac mae'n cyflawni yr un bwriad. Byddai'n ofynnol i Weinidogion Cymru fonitro'r landlord cymdeithasol cofrestredig am gyfnod i sicrhau eu bod yn fodlon. Rwy'n cytuno bod angen cynnal pethau. Allwch chi ddim dweud 'Iawn, rydych chi wedi cyrraedd y safon ofynnol,' ond mae'r gloch yn canu ac, felly, mae'r gofyniad yn amherthnasol. Yn amlwg mae'n rhaid cynnal hynny, ac rwy'n credu bod modd rhoi sylw i hynny i gyd yn ein gwelliant cliriach. Felly rwy'n cynnig.