English: I can tell you this because I'm in very regular contact with the local councillor there, Jon Preston, who has done everything he can to build bridges in communities and to calm people's fears. So, I want to thank all of those local representatives who have done the same. I particularly want to thank the police service. The police and crime commissioner has been to the site himself twice, and he's very proud of the excellent work that the police have done to try and keep things calm to protect the local community. The motion makes reference to issues in the camp, in terms of behaviour. Well, the Minister has addressed that. When you have a large number of young men far from home, who don't understand each other, who don't speak their own language, there will be issues, and there will be conflict. The police and crime commissioner - I've communicated with him about this today - says that that conduct is no different to what he would expect with any large group of young men who were not being properly supported in their own language and culture. So, let's put that to bed once and for all. I think that Joyce Watson made a very powerful case about the unsuitability of the site. I don't quite understand how Angela Burns can assert that it is suitable. It isn't properly heated. The Deputy Minister made reference to the fact it's very difficult to socially distance. This isn't the right place for people to be. The excellent work that the local health service and the local council are trying to do to respond to their needs doesn't mitigate the fact that it's not the right place for them to be. Now, normally, Deputy Presiding Officer, in these situations, I ignore the Member from Wiltshire. But, on this occasion, I'm afraid I have to respond to some of the points that he made and failed to make. Do the people take the same view as Neil Hamilton? Well, it's not what their county councillor, who I speak to on a regular basis, tells me. They're appalled by the way that he and his kind are playing with vulnerable people, and playing - as Leanne Wood mentioned - with people's legitimate concerns. Is our being a nation of sanctuary a problem? Does he really think that people in Syria - . I'd be rather glad if I thought that people in Syria knew that Wales was a nation of sanctuary and would welcome them. They come - and Angela Burns touched on this, and I thought that was a very powerful point - because of a whole range of geopolitical situations that mean that people are not safe. It is not the case that anyone and everyone can come and stay in the UK, and nobody's proposing that it should be the case. How does he think that he knows how the people who are in the camp got there? He doesn't know. He hasn't got the faintest clue. Many of them, as Angela Burns has said, have actually been in the UK for a long time. These are not people pouring over our borders, as he would have us think. He has no way of knowing whether their claims are likely to be upheld. But, certainly, local voluntary organisations who are working with them tell me that many of these people have come from places like Syria, where it's actually very likely that their applications will be upheld. I think that Leanne Wood was right to draw our attention to the humanity of our asylum seekers, and I was very touched by Mick Antoniw doing exactly the same thing. And, she was right to point out how the far right try to feed on people's legitimate sense of unfairness and distress. Angela Burns's contribution: much to agree with there. This is a political issue, though. I would say to Angela Burns that this is a political issue, and it is right for it to be debated by politicians. So, this is not about point-scoring. This is about trying to open up an honest and clear debate based on the facts. She's very right, as I've already said, about the geopolitical situations that lead people to flee, but she is wrong to say that the accommodation is suitable. And when she asked the question about where they should go, well, what they should do, what the Home Office needs to do, is to expand the accommodation that's available in the existing dispersal centres in Wales and across the UK - I don't like the term 'dispersal' but it's what we use - so that these young men can be properly and appropriately supported and, as the Deputy Minister rightly said, their claims quickly processed, so that decisions can be made one way or another. Mick Antoniw asks: what's the difference between these refugees and his family? He's right to say that there is none. I'm afraid, though, Deputy Presiding Officer, that for some people, the difference may be the colour of their skin. If that is the case, people need to be profoundly, profoundly ashamed. I'm grateful for the Deputy Minister's support for our motion, and we've worded it in a way that was as consensual as we could possibly make it. She is right to recommit to the notion of our nation as a nation of sanctuary, to draw again attention to the community response. This is not a situation in which we should find ourselves, and I will end - Deputy Presiding Officer, I know you've been very generous with my time - by saying this, and I speak, here, for myself and for some of the proposers of the motion but not for all of them. It is a matter of profound unhappiness to me that our Government actually lacks the right to control these matters, that a UK Government that the people of Wales did not vote for - we did not elect a majority of Conservative MPs - can impose this both on the communities, on the public services and on, most importantly, the asylum seekers. I look to the day, one day, Dirprwy Llywydd, when perhaps we can make these decisions here, where it won't be the Home Office making a request for planning permission to the Ministry of Defence. Be that as it may, until we can make those decisions for ourselves, it is right that the Welsh Government and others continue to negotiate with the Home Office to get these young men dispersed to communities that can properly support them and where their applications can be properly dealt with. That, Deputy Presiding Officer, is clearly the consensus in this place and we know the communities that we represent. I submit that it is the consensus of the people of Wales.
Welsh: Gallaf ddweud hyn wrthych oherwydd fy mod mewn cysylltiad rheolaidd iawn â'r cynghorydd lleol yno, Jon Preston, sydd wedi gwneud popeth yn ei allu i godi pontydd mewn cymunedau ac i dawelu ofnau pobl. Felly, hoffwn ddiolch i'r holl gynrychiolwyr lleol sydd wedi gwneud yr un peth. Hoffwn ddiolch yn arbennig i'r gwasanaeth heddlu. Mae comisiynydd yr heddlu a throseddu wedi bod ar y safle ei hun ddwywaith, ac mae'n falch iawn o'r gwaith rhagorol y mae'r heddlu wedi'i wneud i geisio cadw pethau'n dawel er mwyn amddiffyn y gymuned leol. Mae'r cynnig yn cyfeirio at broblemau yn y gwersyll, o ran ymddygiad. Wel, mae'r Gweinidog wedi mynd i'r afael â hynny. Pan fydd gennych nifer fawr o ddynion ifanc ymhell o'u cartref, dynion nad ydynt yn deall ei gilydd, pobl nad ydynt yn siarad eu hiaith, bydd yna broblemau, a bydd gwrthdaro. Mae comisiynydd yr heddlu a throseddu - rwyf wedi cyfathrebu ag ef am hyn heddiw - yn dweud nad yw'r ymddygiad hwnnw'n wahanol i'r hyn y byddai'n ei ddisgwyl gan unrhyw grŵp mawr o ddynion ifanc nad oeddent yn cael eu cefnogi'n briodol yn eu hiaith a'u diwylliant eu hunain. Felly, gadewch i ni ddeall hynny unwaith ac am byth. Credaf fod Joyce Watson wedi dadlau'n bwerus iawn ynglŷn â pha mor anaddas yw'r safle. Nid wyf yn deall yn iawn sut y gall Angela Burns fynnu ei fod yn addas. Nid yw wedi'i wresogi'n iawn. Cyfeiriodd y Dirprwy Weinidog at y ffaith ei bod yn anodd iawn cadw pellter cymdeithasol. Nid dyma'r lle iawn i bobl fod. Nid yw'r gwaith rhagorol y mae'r gwasanaeth iechyd lleol a'r cyngor lleol yn ceisio'i wneud i ymateb i'w hanghenion yn lliniaru'r ffaith nad dyma'r lle iawn iddynt fod. Nawr, fel arfer yn y sefyllfaoedd hyn, Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n anwybyddu'r Aelod o Wiltshire. Ond y tro hwn, mae arnaf ofn fod yn rhaid i mi ymateb i rai o'r pwyntiau a wnaeth a'r pwyntiau y methodd eu gwneud. A yw'r bobl o'r un farn â Neil Hamilton? Wel, nid dyna mae eu cynghorydd sir, y siaradaf ag ef yn rheolaidd, yn ei ddweud wrthyf. Maent wedi'u brawychu gan y ffordd y mae ef a'i debyg yn chwarae gyda phobl sy'n agored i niwed, ac yn chwarae - fel y soniodd Leanne Wood - â phryderon dilys pobl. A yw'r ffaith ein bod yn genedl noddfa yn broblem? A yw'n credu mewn gwirionedd fod pobl yn Syria - . Byddwn yn eithaf balch pe bawn yn meddwl bod pobl yn Syria yn gwybod bod Cymru'n genedl noddfa ac y byddem yn eu croesawu. Maent yn dod - a soniodd Angela Burns am hyn, ac roeddwn yn meddwl bod hwnnw'n bwynt pwerus iawn - yn sgil amrywiaeth eang o sefyllfaoedd geowleidyddol sy'n golygu nad yw pobl yn ddiogel. Nid yw'n wir y gall unrhyw un a phawb ddod i aros yn y DU, ac nid oes neb yn cynnig y dylai hynny ddigwydd. Sut y mae'n credu ei fod yn gwybod sut y mae'r bobl sydd yn y gwersyll wedi cyrraedd yno? Nid yw'n gwybod. Nid oes ganddo'r syniad lleiaf. Mae llawer ohonynt, fel y dywedodd Angela Burns, wedi bod yn y DU ers amser maith. Nid pobl sy'n arllwys dros ein ffiniau yw'r rhain, fel y byddai'n dweud wrthym. Nid oes ganddo unrhyw ffordd o wybod a yw eu ceisiadau'n debygol o gael eu derbyn. Ond yn sicr, mae mudiadau gwirfoddol lleol sy'n gweithio gyda hwy yn dweud wrthyf fod llawer o'r bobl hyn wedi dod o leoedd fel Syria, lle mae'n debygol iawn y bydd eu ceisiadau'n cael eu derbyn. Credaf fod Leanne Wood yn iawn i dynnu ein sylw at ddynoldeb ein ceiswyr lloches, fel y gwnaeth Mick Antoniw yn drawiadol iawn. Ac roedd hi'n iawn i dynnu sylw at sut y mae'r dde eithafol yn ceisio bwydo ar ymdeimlad cyfiawn pobl o annhegwch a gofid. Cyfraniad Angela Burns: llawer i gytuno ag ef yno. Mae hwn yn fater gwleidyddol, serch hynny. Byddwn yn dweud wrth Angela Burns fod hwn yn fater gwleidyddol, ac mae'n iawn iddo gael ei drafod gan wleidyddion. Felly, nid yw'n ymwneud â sgorio pwyntiau. Mae'n ymwneud â cheisio agor dadl onest a chlir yn seiliedig ar y ffeithiau. Mae hi'n iawn, fel rwyf eisoes wedi dweud, am y sefyllfaoedd geowleidyddol sy'n gwneud i bobl ffoi, ond mae hi'n anghywir i ddweud bod y llety'n addas. A phan ofynnodd y cwestiwn ynglŷn â ble y dylent fynd, wel, beth y dylent ei wneud, yr hyn y mae angen i'r Swyddfa Gartref ei wneud yw ehangu'r llety sydd ar gael yn y canolfannau gwasgaru presennol yng Nghymru a ledled y DU - nid wyf yn hoffi'r term 'gwasgaru' ond dyna a ddefnyddiwn - fel y gellir cefnogi'r dynion ifanc hyn yn briodol ac yn addas a phrosesu eu ceisiadau'n gyflym, fel y dywedodd y Dirprwy Weinidog yn gywir, er mwyn gallu gwneud penderfyniadau y naill ffordd neu'r llall. Mae Mick Antoniw yn gofyn: beth yw'r gwahaniaeth rhwng y ffoaduriaid hyn a'i deulu? Mae'n iawn i ddweud nad oes unrhyw wahaniaeth. Mae arnaf ofn, serch hynny, Ddirprwy Lywydd, mai lliw eu croen fydd y gwahaniaeth i rai pobl. Os felly, mae angen i bobl fod â chywilydd dwfn. Rwy'n ddiolchgar am gefnogaeth y Dirprwy Weinidog i'n cynnig, ac rydym wedi'i eirio mewn ffordd a oedd mor gydsyniol ag y gallem ei wneud. Mae'n iawn i ailymrwymo i'r syniad o'n cenedl fel cenedl noddfa, i dynnu sylw eto at yr ymateb cymunedol. Nid yw hon yn sefyllfa y dylem fod ynddi, ac fe ddof i ben - Ddirprwy Lywydd, gwn eich bod wedi bod yn hael iawn gyda'r amser - drwy ddweud hyn, a siaradaf yma drosof fy hun a thros rai o gynigwyr y cynnig ond nid pob un ohonynt. Mae'n fater o anhapusrwydd mawr i mi nad oes hawl gan ein Llywodraeth i reoli'r materion hyn, y gall Llywodraeth y DU na phleidleisiodd pobl Cymru drosti - ni wnaethom ethol mwyafrif o ASau Ceidwadol - orfodi hyn ar y cymunedau, ar y gwasanaethau cyhoeddus ac ar y ceiswyr lloches, yn bwysicaf oll. Rwy'n edrych ymlaen at y diwrnod, un diwrnod, Ddirprwy Lywydd, pan allwn wneud y penderfyniadau hyn yma, pan na fydd y Swyddfa Gartref yn gwneud cais am ganiatâd cynllunio i'r Weinyddiaeth Amddiffyn. Boed hynny fel y bo, hyd nes y gallwn wneud y penderfyniadau hynny drosom ein hunain, mae'n iawn fod Llywodraeth Cymru ac eraill yn parhau i negodi gyda'r Swyddfa Gartref i gael y dynion ifanc hyn wedi'u gwasgaru i gymunedau a all eu cefnogi'n briodol a lle gellir ymdrin â'u ceisiadau'n briodol. Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae'n amlwg mai dyna yw'r consensws yn y lle hwn ac rydym yn adnabod y cymunedau a gynrychiolwn. Rwy'n cynnig mai dyna yw consensws pobl Cymru.