English: Llywydd, I simply don't agree with some of the points that are made in some of those reports. There are other parts that are very useful and constructive, and that we will wish to discuss further and to take forward. But the truth of the matter is that in every single part of Wales, there are community groups because of the actions of this Government who today are able to take on the running and management of facilities that otherwise would not have been available to them, who are able to be involved in the provision of those services, and where a partnership approach - . See, this is where he and I differ. His view of community empowerment is simply to hand things over to somebody else. Our view of it is that a partnership arrangement with the help of a public body can continue to be available to groups who, in taking on the running or the management of community assets, need to have - this is one of the conclusions of the report that we instigated into community asset transfer - the continued interest and engagement of a public authority able to help them with what are sometimes onerous things that are taken on. And where this is done well, as, for example, in Labour-controlled Flintshire County Council in the Member's own area, you have a council that publishes a register of all potential asset transfers, gives information about the current level of expenditure, the usage and the occupancy rates, has an app that provides a potential community group with an up-to-date condition survey - all of this commended by those groups with which it works, and that has resulted in up to 30 transfer of assets from the council to groups that are not then abandoned to get on with it, but continue to be helped and supported. That is the sort of community empowerment that I think we talk about and mean here in Wales.
Welsh: Llywydd, nid wyf i'n cytuno â rhai o'r pwyntiau sy'n cael eu gwneud yn rhai o'r adroddiadau yna. Mae rhannau eraill sy'n ddefnyddiol ac yn adeiladol iawn, ac y byddwn ni'n dymuno eu trafod ymhellach a bwrw ymlaen â nhw. Ond y gwir amdani yw bod grwpiau cymunedol ym mhob rhan o Gymru oherwydd gweithredoedd y Llywodraeth hon sydd heddiw yn gallu ymgymryd â rhedeg a rheoli cyfleusterau na fydden nhw wedi bod ar gael iddyn nhw fel arall, sy'n gallu cymryd rhan yn narpariaeth y gwasanaethau hynny, a lle mae dull partneriaeth - . Dyma lle mae ef a minnau yn wahanol. Ei safbwynt ef o rymuso cymunedau yw trosglwyddo pethau i rywun arall. Ein safbwynt ni yw y gall trefniant partneriaeth gyda chymorth corff cyhoeddus barhau i fod ar gael i grwpiau sydd, wrth ymgymryd â rhedeg neu reoli asedau cymunedol, angen cael - dyma un o gasgliadau'r adroddiad a sefydlwyd gennym ni ar drosglwyddo asedau cymunedol - diddordeb ac ymgysylltiad parhaus awdurdod cyhoeddus sy'n gallu eu helpu nhw gyda'r hyn sydd weithiau yn bethau beichus sy'n cael eu hysgwyddo. A lle mae hyn yn cael ei wneud yn dda, oherwydd, er enghraifft, yng Nghyngor Sir y Fflint a reolir gan Lafur yn ardal yr Aelod ei hun, mae gennych chi gyngor sy'n cyhoeddi cofrestr o'r holl drosglwyddiadau asedau posibl, sy'n rhoi gwybodaeth am y lefel bresennol o wariant, y defnydd a'r cyfraddau meddiannaeth, sydd ag ap sy'n rhoi arolwg cyflwr cyfredol i ddarpar grŵp cymunedol - mae hyn i gyd yn cael ei gymeradwyo gan y grwpiau hynny y mae'n gweithio â nhw, ac mae hynny wedi arwain at drosglwyddo hyd at 30 o asedau o'r cyngor i grwpiau nad ydyn nhw'n cael eu gadael wedyn i fwrw ymlaen â phethau, ond sy'n parhau i gael cymorth a chefnogaeth. Dyna'r math o rymuso cymunedol yr wyf i'n credu yr ydym ni'n sôn amdano ac yn ei olygu yma yng Nghymru.