English: I don't hide - [ Interruption.] I don't hide from the challenges for our staff or citizens. To use such deliberately inflammatory language about our healthcare system I think really does not reflect well on you, Rhun ap Iorwerth. I don't hide from the individual challenges. On either of the points you make, I obviously can't comment on what happened in individual cases, but I will remind you again about the reason and the rationale for introducing the clinical response model - not simply clinical opinion, but the evidence about how we run our ambulance system and whether or not we're getting the help to people in the most urgent and life-threatening emergency cases. And the previous system - there's a lot of evidence, accepted by people across this Chamber and outside - did not serve the interests of the patient well. We had a number of categories for an eight-minute response that simply did not make sense. We reviewed the evidence and it showed that - no surprise - a 40-year-old system was out of date. We then had clinical evidence and advice on an improved system to prioritise people in the greatest need. That was supported by front-line paramedic staff. It was supported by leadership within the ambulance service and the wider health service. That's the model we've implemented. We have also, though, had an independent review of the new system and that review was looking at the categorisation of calls. So, rather than politicians arguing with each other about which particular condition should be in which particular category, we're again looking at a proper evaluation and a proper basis upon which to make that choice. That must be the right way to proceed, not to have a campaign-led approach to which condition should be in which category, but to have proper evidence and clinical advice on what to do and then to do the right thing - [ Interruption. ] And then to do the right thing by staff within the whole system and by the people of Wales we are supposed to be here to serve.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn cuddio - [ Torri ar draws.] Nid wyf yn cuddio rhag yr heriau sy'n wynebu ein staff neu ein dinasyddion. Nid yw defnyddio'r fath iaith fwriadol ymfflamychol am ein system gofal iechyd yn adlewyrchu'n dda arnoch, Rhun ap Iorwerth. Nid wyf yn cuddio rhag yr heriau unigol. Ar y naill neu'r llall o'r pwyntiau a wnaethoch, yn amlwg, ni allaf wneud sylwadau ar yr hyn a ddigwyddodd mewn achosion unigol, ond fe'ch atgoffaf unwaith eto am y rheswm a'r rhesymeg dros roi'r model ymateb clinigol ar waith - nid barn glinigol yn unig, ond y dystiolaeth ynglŷn â sut rydym yn rhedeg ein system ambiwlans ac a ydym yn darparu cymorth i bobl mewn argyfwng a lle mae bywyd yn y fantol. Ac nid oedd y system flaenorol - mae llawer o dystiolaeth, a dderbynnir gan bobl ar draws y Siambr a thu hwnt - yn gweithio'n dda er lles y cleifion. Roedd gennym nifer o gategorïau ar gyfer ymateb wyth munud nad oeddent yn gwneud unrhyw synnwyr. Adolygwyd y dystiolaeth a dangosodd - nid yw'n syndod - fod system 40 mlwydd oed wedi dyddio. Yna, cawsom dystiolaeth glinigol a chyngor ar system well i roi blaenoriaeth i bobl â'r angen mwyaf. Cefnogwyd hynny gan staff parafeddygol ar y rheng flaen. Fe'i cefnogwyd gan arweinyddiaeth o fewn y gwasanaeth ambiwlans a'r gwasanaeth iechyd ehangach. Dyna'r model rydym wedi'i roi ar waith. Rydym hefyd, fodd bynnag, wedi cael adolygiad annibynnol o'r system newydd, ac roedd yr adolygiad hwnnw'n edrych ar gategoreiddio galwadau. Felly, yn hytrach na gwleidyddion yn dadlau â'i gilydd ynglŷn â pha gyflwr penodol a ddylai fod ym mha gategori penodol, rydym unwaith eto yn edrych ar werthusiad priodol a sail briodol ar gyfer gwneud y dewis hwnnw. Rhaid mai dyna'r ffordd iawn i fwrw ymlaen, nid drwy ddull a arweinir gan ymgyrchu ynglŷn â pha gyflwr a ddylai fod ym mha gategori, ond sicrhau'r dystiolaeth briodol a chyngor clinigol ar beth i'w wneud ac yna gwneud y peth iawn - [ Torri ar draws. ] Ac yna gwneud y peth iawn o ran staff y system gyfan ac o ran pobl Cymru rydym i fod yma i'w gwasanaethu.