English: Well, reference was made to the Children, Young People and Education Committee and, of course, their 2017 report 'Perinatal mental health in Wales' noted that 'north Wales alone does not have the necessary birth rates to sustain a specialist MBU, we call on the Welsh Government to engage proactively with providers in England to discuss options for the creation of an MBU in north east Wales that could serve the populations of both sides of the border.' The Minister accepted their recommendation that the Welsh Government engaged, as a matter of urgency, with NHS England to discuss options for the creation of a centre in north-east Wales that could serve the populations on both sides of the border, saying 'I have asked the Welsh Health Specialised Services Committee to work with Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board to consider options in north Wales, including this recommendation.' Well, by my reckoning, that was 28-29 months ago, when the recommendation was urgent and the Minister said that he had asked then for that work to go forward. The Betsi Cadwaladr website's only reference to perinatal mental health talks about their mental health service as close to their homes as practicable for mother and baby, but it doesn't refer to that key mental health provision. Only last month - and I'll conclude here - BBC Wales reported that mothers in Wales are suffering due to the lack of a specialist in-patient mental health support unit two years after Welsh Government promised to develop one. Why are we still waiting to hear, and if, as you indicate - I'm sure you do indicate - that, currently, discussions with England are on hold, why can't the developing model in England continue to develop on a cross-border basis, as proposed, rather than on a singular basis, recognising a border that could negate the recommendations in this committee report?
Welsh: Wel, cyfeiriwyd at y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg ac wrth gwrs, nododd eu hadroddiad 'Iechyd Meddwl Amenedigol yng Nghymru' yn 2017 nad oes gan ogledd Cymru y niferoedd o enedigaethau sydd eu hangen i gynnal uned mamau a babanod arbenigol, ac roeddent yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i ymgysylltu'n rhagweithiol â darparwyr yn Lloegr i drafod opsiynau ar gyfer creu uned mamau a babanod yng ngogledd-ddwyrain Cymru a allai wasanaethu poblogaethau o boptu'r ffin. Derbyniodd y Gweinidog eu hargymhelliad y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ymgysylltu, fel mater o frys, â GIG Lloegr i drafod opsiynau ar gyfer creu canolfan yng ngogledd-ddwyrain Cymru a allai wasanaethu'r poblogaethau ar y ddwy ochr i'r ffin, gan ddweud 'Rwyf wedi gofyn i Bwyllgor Gwasanaethau Iechyd Arbenigol Cymru weithio gyda Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr i ystyried opsiynau yng ngogledd Cymru, gan gynnwys yr argymhelliad hwn.' Wel, yn ôl fy nghyfrif i, roedd hynny 28-29 mis yn ôl, pan oedd yr argymhelliad yn un brys a dywedodd y Gweinidog ei fod wedi gofyn bryd hynny am i'r gwaith hwnnw fynd rhagddo. Mae unig gyfeiriad gwefan Betsi Cadwaladr at iechyd meddwl amenedigol yn siarad yn unig am gael eu gwasanaeth iechyd meddwl mor agos at eu cartrefi ag sy'n ymarferol i'r fam a'r baban, ond nid yw'n cyfeirio at y ddarpariaeth iechyd meddwl allweddol honno. Y mis diwethaf yn unig - ac rwyf am orffen yn y fan hon - adroddodd BBC Cymru fod mamau yng Nghymru yn dioddef oherwydd diffyg uned cymorth iechyd meddwl arbenigol i gleifion mewnol ddwy flynedd ar ôl i Lywodraeth Cymru addo datblygu un. Pam rydym yn dal i aros i glywed, ac os yw trafodaethau â Lloegr wedi'u gohirio ar hyn o bryd fel rydych yn nodi - ac rwy'n siŵr eich bod yn nodi hynny - pam na all y model sy'n datblygu yn Lloegr barhau i ddatblygu ar sail drawsffiniol, fel yr argymhellwyd, yn hytrach nag ar sail unigol, gan gydnabod ffin a allai negyddu'r argymhellion yn yr adroddiad pwyllgor hwn?