English: I won't repeat points that have been made by other Members, but I just want to thank the Chair and colleagues on the committee for the session that they held with the interim assessor, and also to thank the interim assessor as well for coming in front of us and for the evidence that she gave. There's only one significant point of difference that I take with Janet on this, because we did hear in evidence that this isn't a useless role, that there is actually value in it. In fact, Annie Smith of RSPB Cymru said: 'It's not an invalid or invaluable role - it's just completely different, and it is not anything equivalent to having access to environmental justice.' That goes to the heart of Llyr's comment and also Janet's as well. It may be an interim measure, but it's not unvaluable - it genuinely isn't. And in fact, our report pointed at that and some of the achievements in the period of the interim assessor's role. But I do want to turn to that issue of the governance gap and how we're going to fill it, without repeating in detail some of the points that have been made already. The governance gap was a key issue for many of the people who gave evidence to the committee. In welcoming the fact that the Government has actually accepted all of the recommendations, our recommendations were based very much on the interim assessor's current role, et cetera, et cetera, and we kept looking, as did all our stakeholders who gave evidence to us, 'Yes, but what comes next and when does it actually arrive?' That's really what I want to focus my attention on. There is an assumption that we've made on the committee, which is pulled out actually in our conclusions. It doesn't turn to the recommendations, because the recommendations are very much focused on the current interim assessor role. But in our conclusions, we point very clearly to an assumption that you will have to reappoint the interim assessor, because it's running out of time, and we don't have a new body to come forward to actually give us that environmental justice, citizens' justice role there. So, it would be good to get that clarity today, but then to also get that clarity that during that period, if you are going to reappoint for an extension, we will see the proposals brought forward. Minister, I don't share the scepticism - that perhaps has been a little bit expressed by other colleagues - that you don't want to do this. I know you do want to do this; I know that there is legislative pressure - we get that as well - but the fact is, in our observation as a committee, we've got an assessor that was set up for two years on an interim basis; we're going to have to extend it. Are we going to see the proposal for the new governance structure on environmental law brought forward in that timescale? If not, are we going to reappoint again? I think the impatience that's reflected in the report is around just getting that clarity. And it's not just clarity that we're asking for, Minister; I know all the environmental groups out there are asking for the same. They have confidence you want to deliver this; they just want certainty of when it is going to happen. Diolch.
Welsh: Nid wyf am ailadrodd pwyntiau a wnaed gan Aelodau eraill, ond rwyf am ddiolch i'r Cadeirydd a'r cyd-aelodau o'r pwyllgor am y sesiwn a gynhaliwyd ganddynt gyda'r asesydd interim, a diolch hefyd i'r asesydd interim am ddod ger ein bron ac am y dystiolaeth a roddodd. Rwy'n anghytuno â Janet ynglŷn ag un pwynt o bwys yn unig, oherwydd fe glywsom mewn tystiolaeth nad yw hon yn swyddogaeth ddiwerth, fod gwerth iddi mewn gwirionedd. Yn wir, dywedodd Annie Smith o RSPB Cymru: 'nad yw rôl yr Asesydd Interim yn annilys nac yn amhrisiadwy - mae'n hollol wahanol, ac nid yw'n gyfwerth â mynediad at gyfiawnder amgylcheddol.' Mae hynny'n mynd at wraidd sylw Llyr, a Janet hefyd. Efallai mai mesur interim ydyw, ond nid yw'n ddiwerth - ddim o gwbl. Ac mewn gwirionedd, tynnodd ein hadroddiad sylw at hynny a rhai o'r cyflawniadau dros gyfnod swydd yr asesydd interim. Ond rwyf am droi at fater y bwlch llywodraethu a sut rydym yn mynd i'w lenwi, heb ailadrodd yn fanwl rai o'r pwyntiau sydd wedi'u gwneud yn barod. Roedd y bwlch llywodraethu yn fater allweddol i nifer o'r bobl a roddodd dystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor. Wrth groesawu'r ffaith bod y Llywodraeth wedi derbyn yr holl argymhellion mewn gwirionedd, roedd ein hargymhellion yn seiliedig yn amlwg iawn ar swyddogaeth bresennol yr asesydd interim, ac ati, ac ati, ac fe wnaethom barhau i edrych, fel y gwnaeth ein holl randdeiliaid a roddodd dystiolaeth i ni, 'Ie, ond beth sy'n dod nesaf a phryd mae'n cyrraedd?' Dyna rwyf eisiau canolbwyntio fy sylw arno mewn gwirionedd. Mae yna dybiaeth gennym ar y pwyllgor, sy'n cael sylw pellach yn ein casgliadau. Nid yw'n troi at yr argymhellion, oherwydd mae'r argymhellion yn canolbwyntio'n fawr ar swyddogaeth yr asesydd interim presennol. Ond yn ein casgliadau, rydym yn pwyntio'n glir iawn at dybiaeth y bydd yn rhaid ichi ailbenodi'r asesydd interim, oherwydd mae'n mynd yn brin o amser, ac nid oes gennym gorff newydd i ddod ymlaen i roi'r cyfiawnder amgylcheddol hwnnw i ni, y swyddogaeth cyfiawnder dinasyddion yno. Felly, byddai'n dda cael yr eglurder hwnnw heddiw, ond wedyn i gael yr eglurder hwnnw hefyd yn ystod y cyfnod hwnnw, os ydych chi'n mynd i ailbenodi ar gyfer estyniad, y gwelwn y cynigion yn cael eu cyflwyno. Weinidog, nid wyf yn rhannu'r amheuaeth - efallai fod hynny wedi cael ei fynegi ychydig gan gyd-aelodau eraill - nad ydych chi eisiau gwneud hyn. Rwy'n gwybod eich bod chi eisiau gwneud hyn; gwn fod pwysau deddfwriaethol - rydym yn deall hynny hefyd - ond y ffaith yw, yn ein gwaith arsylwi fel pwyllgor, mae gennym asesydd a gafodd ei sefydlu am ddwy flynedd ar sail interim; bydd yn rhaid inni ei ymestyn. A ydym yn mynd i weld y cynnig ar gyfer y strwythur llywodraethu newydd ar gyfraith amgylcheddol yn cael ei gyflwyno o fewn yr amserlen honno? Os nad ydym, a ydym yn mynd i ailbenodi eto? Rwy'n credu bod y diffyg amynedd sy'n cael ei adlewyrchu yn yr adroddiad yn ymwneud â chael yr eglurder hwnnw. Ac nid eglurder yn unig y gofynnwn amdano, Weinidog; gwn fod yr holl grwpiau amgylcheddol allan yno'n gofyn am yr un peth. Mae ganddynt hyder eich bod chi eisiau cyflawni hyn; maent eisiau sicrwydd ynglŷn â phryd mae'n mynd i ddigwydd, dyna i gyd. Diolch.