English: Well, I would give two examples of how there could be reasonable regulation, so that there wouldn't be a threat of that kind. I think this committee has discussed national Welsh news on commercial radio, and I know that the Ofcom advisory committee in Wales had told Ofcom, 'Well, you should do this', and the committee had also endorsed that message, but they didn't listen to that. It was a very small requirement to ask commercial radio to include national Welsh news. There is no such requirement as I understand it. I think it's a combination of the things that you mentioned in some contexts, I think. But there are some examples of reasonable regulation, as the witness from Cardiff University mentioned, where, as Heledd said, it wouldn't require additional resources to do some of those things. As this committee has said before that we need national news on commercial radio, it isn't asking much, if you broadcast in Wales, to do that. And, by the same token, I would argue, with regard to the Welsh language, that that should be a consideration as well. To be entirely clear, the Welsh language isn't part of Ofcom's remit. They don't take responsibility for ensuring that that 50 per cent, or whatever the percentage is, is broadcast. In terms of resources, I think it's important to look at what happened with the UTV licence in Northern Ireland in terms of when they threatened to withdraw. Truth be told, it was worth much more to them than they disclosed. It's worth looking at that as an example, because there are ITV Wales regulations in terms of how much they have to provide. There's always debate about, 'Well, we will withdraw if you put too onerous an expectation on us.' But, of course, that's always part of any kind of regime; it's not an argument against devolving broadcasting to Wales, I would argue.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n rhoi dwy enghraifft o ran sut y gellid rheoleiddio yn rhesymol, lle fyddai yna ddim bygythiad o'r fath. Dwi'n meddwl bod y pwyllgor yma wedi trafod newyddion cenedlaethol Cymreig ar radio masnachol, a dwi'n gwybod bod pwyllgor ymgynghorol Ofcom yng Nghymru wedi dweud wrth Ofcom, 'Dylech chi wneud hyn', ac roedd y pwyllgor hefyd wedi ategu, ond doedden nhw ddim wedi gwrando ar hynny. Gofyniad bach iawn yw gofyn i radios masnachol i gynnwys newyddion cenedlaethol Cymreig. Does dim gofyniad o'r fath o beth dwi'n ei ddeall. Dwi yn meddwl ei fod yn gyfuniad o'r pethau yr oeddech chi'n cyfeirio atyn nhw mewn rhai cyd-destunau, dwi'n meddwl. Ond dwi'n meddwl bod yna enghreifftiau o reoleiddio hollol rhesymol, fel y soniodd y tyst o Brifysgol Caerdydd, lle na fyddai angen, fel yr oedd Heledd yn ei ddweud, adnoddau ychwanegol i wneud rhai o'r pethau hynny. Fel y mae'r pwyllgor yma wedi'i ddweud o'r blaen o ran bod angen newyddion cenedlaethol Cymreig ar radio masnachol, dyw e ddim yn gofyn lot, os ydych chi'n mynd i ddarlledu yng Nghymru, i wneud hynny. Ac, yn yr un ffordd, buaswn i'n dadlau, o ran y Gymraeg, bod hwnna'r un peth, onid yw e? I fod yn hollol glir, dyw'r Gymraeg ddim yn rhan o remit Ofcom. Dŷn nhw ddim yn cymryd cyfrifoldeb. Does neb yn cymryd cyfrifoldeb dros sicrhau bod y 50 y cant, neu beth bynnag yw'r canran, yn y Gymraeg. O ran yr adnoddau, dwi hefyd yn meddwl ei fod yn werth edrych ar beth ddigwyddodd gyda trwydded UTV yng Ngogledd Iwerddon, o ran pan wnaethon nhw fygwth tynnu mas. Mewn gwirionedd, roedd yn werth lot, lot mwy iddyn nhw nag oedden nhw yn ei ddatgelu. Mae'n werth edrych ar hynny fel enghraifft, achos, wrth gwrs, mae yna reoliadau ITV Cymru o ran faint y maen nhw i fod i ddarparu. Mae yna wastad dadl ynglŷn â, 'Wel, fe wnawn ni dynnu mas os ydych yn gosod gormod arnom ni.' Ond, wrth gwrs, mae hwnnw'n rhan naturiol o unrhyw gyfundrefn; dyw e ddim yn ddadl yn erbyn datganoli rheoleiddio i Gymru, buaswn i'n dadlau.