English: I don't think any issue has caused as much controversy as this in a very long time, this alcohol ban in public houses and restaurants. I've been inundated with e-mails and phone calls about this over the last few days, and I know that many Members of the Senedd have been in a similar position. Can I start by making it clear that I fully appreciate the seriousness of the situation that Wales is facing, because I know that was raised by some Ministers yesterday, and the First Minister? And I also recognise that there are no easy decisions in this situation. There are no easy answers here. So, it's not simply about opposing all measures that are brought forward or, indeed, supporting all measures that are brought forward. The Welsh Government has to listen to the advice it receives from experts. That's clear. It has to look at the evidence and take balanced decisions that take into account transmission rates and the effects on the economy. That is the Welsh Government's job. Of course, our job as the opposition is to scrutinise and hold the Welsh Government to account for those decisions and to point out where we think things could be done better. But another key factor in all this, of course, is taking the public with us - and I say 'us', because it's not just the Welsh Government that people hold responsible for these regulations and rules, it is of course all of us as Senedd Members. That's how the public think. By and large, it happened with the first lockdown and even the firebreak, but that public faith does seem to have worn thin this time around, leaving aside the early closure issue, aside from the actual ban on the alcohol sales. So, what's gone wrong? I think the problem is that it doesn't tally with the public's perception of common sense. Why should having a glass of wine or a beer with lunch and following social distancing rules and other rules and hygiene guidelines for instance, be at more risk of transmitting the virus than if people are drinking soft drinks? Now, the Welsh Government clearly believes the evidence is there to back this, so I think we all need to see this. I know that Alun Davies has called for this, and other Senedd Members have as well. Restaurant owners and pub owners who have seen profits plummet over recent weeks and, in many cases, have to remain closed, need reassurances that these steps are not disproportionate and will help limit the spread of COVID-19, particularly in advance of Christmas, if the restrictions are going to be eased over the Christmas period. Now, the Minister has made some good arguments for the ban as a way to balance the needs of business with tackling the COVID-19 pandemic, but the fact is that many pubs and restaurants, certainly in my constituency and I know in other Members' constituencies as well, are actually seeing no option but to close because of the profit issue. Locally, the Angel in Abergavenny, the Black Bear in Bettws Newydd, the Raglan Arms in Llandenny, the Star of Llansoy; I could go on. These are pubs, hotels and restaurants that could legally remain open and serve food but not alcohol, but they've decided it's simply not viable. In the case of the Angel in Abergavenny, they're staying closed until mid January, because they have to place their orders long in advance. So, this is a heavy price to pay, and that's why we need reassurances that this is the right course of action. Will you undertake, or will the Welsh Government undertake, or the Minister undertake, to keep this under review? At the very least, I think we do need to see more evidence that is supporting it. I know that some Senedd Members have said that they have seen the evidence and they are reassured by it, but I think that, out there, people I speak to certainly aren't aware that that evidence exists or, indeed, gives the necessary weight for the action that's being taken. Even if the Welsh Government is actually right on this, and I have no reason to doubt that the Welsh Government does think it's taking the right course of action here, the danger is that the public are going to lose confidence, and I think this was mentioned by David Rowlands. If the public lose confidence in the measures and increasingly neglect the guidelines, that will allow the virus to get a foot in the door and it will lengthen the period that it takes to get the transmission rates down. We know that, in Swansea, the situation has been described as 'catastrophic', so there is clearly a massive public health issue here that does need to be addressed, and does need to be addressed by guidelines, but if we don't take the public with us on this, then we risk actually storing up more problems for the future. And let's not forget, we've got a vaccine now, hopefully just around the corner, in terms of dealing with the pandemic, so we don't want to make matters worse now. So, in conclusion, Dirprwy Lywydd, I think this does need to be sorted out. I think the decision needs to be reviewed. We need to see the evidence cited for these measures. We need to carry the public with us, particularly in the run-up to Christmas, if we're going to slacken those measures over the Christmas period, so that we can all pull together and focus on combating the pandemic and building back better.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn credu bod unrhyw fater wedi achosi cymaint o ddadlau â hyn ers amser maith, y gwaharddiad hwn ar alcohol mewn tafarndai a bwytai. Cefais lu o negeseuon e-bost a galwadau ffôn am hyn dros y dyddiau diwethaf, a gwn fod llawer o'r Aelodau o'r Senedd wedi bod mewn sefyllfa debyg. A gaf fi ddechrau drwy ei gwneud yn glir fy mod yn llwyr ddeall difrifoldeb y sefyllfa y mae Cymru'n ei hwynebu, oherwydd gwn fod rhai Gweinidogion wedi codi hynny ddoe, a'r Prif Weinidog. Ac rwy'n cydnabod hefyd nad oes unrhyw benderfyniadau hawdd yn y sefyllfa hon. Nid oes atebion hawdd yma. Felly, nid yw'n ymwneud â gwrthwynebu'r holl fesurau sy'n cael eu cyflwyno, neu gefnogi'r holl fesurau a gyflwynir yn wir. Mae'n rhaid i Lywodraeth Cymru wrando ar y cyngor y mae'n ei gael gan arbenigwyr. Mae hynny'n glir. Rhaid iddi edrych ar y dystiolaeth a gwneud penderfyniadau cytbwys sy'n ystyried cyfraddau trosglwyddo a'r effeithiau ar yr economi. Dyna waith Llywodraeth Cymru. Wrth gwrs, ein gwaith ni fel yr wrthblaid yw craffu ar Lywodraeth Cymru a'i dwyn i gyfrif am y penderfyniadau hynny a nodi ble y credwn y gellid gwneud pethau'n well. Ond ffactor allweddol arall yn hyn oll, wrth gwrs, yw mynd â'r cyhoedd gyda ni - a dywedaf 'ni', oherwydd nid Llywodraeth Cymru yn unig y mae pobl yn eu dwyn i gyfrif am y rheoliadau a'r rheolau hyn wrth gwrs, ond pob un ohonom fel Aelodau o'r Senedd. Dyna sut y mae'r cyhoedd yn meddwl. At ei gilydd, digwyddodd gyda'r cyfyngiadau symud cyntaf a hyd yn oed y cyfnod atal byr, ond mae'n ymddangos bod y cyhoedd wedi colli ffydd y tro hwn, heb sôn am y mater cau'n gynnar, heb sôn am y gwaharddiad ar werthu alcohol. Felly, beth aeth o'i le? Rwy'n credu mai'r broblem yw nad yw'n cyd-fynd â chanfyddiad y cyhoedd o synnwyr cyffredin. Pam y dylai cael gwydraid o win neu gwrw gyda chinio a dilyn rheolau cadw pellter cymdeithasol a rheolau a chanllawiau hylendid eraill er enghraifft, fod mewn mwy o berygl o drosglwyddo'r feirws na phe bai pobl yn yfed diodydd meddal? Nawr, mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn amlwg yn credu bod y dystiolaeth yno i gefnogi hyn, felly rwy'n credu bod angen i bob un ohonom ei gweld. Gwn fod Alun Davies wedi galw am hyn, ac mae Aelodau eraill o'r Senedd wedi gwneud hynny hefyd. Mae angen sicrwydd ar berchnogion bwytai a thafarndai sydd wedi gweld elw'n disgyn yn enbyd dros yr wythnosau diwethaf ac mewn llawer o achosion yn gorfod aros ar gau nad yw'r camau hyn yn anghymesur, ac y byddant yn helpu i gyfyngu ar ledaeniad COVID-19, yn enwedig cyn y Nadolig, os yw'r cyfyngiadau'n mynd i gael eu llacio dros gyfnod y Nadolig. Nawr, mae'r Gweinidog wedi gwneud rhai dadleuon da dros y gwaharddiad fel ffordd o gydbwyso anghenion busnesau â mynd i'r afael â phandemig COVID-19, ond y ffaith amdani yw nad yw llawer o dafarndai a bwytai, yn sicr yn fy etholaeth i ac yn etholaethau Aelodau eraill hefyd, rwy'n gwybod, yn gweld unrhyw ddewis ond cau oherwydd y broblem elw. Yn lleol, yr Angel yn y Fenni, y Black Bear ym Metws Newydd, y Raglan Arms yn Llandenni, y Star yn Llan-soe; gallwn fynd ymlaen. Dyma dafarndai, gwestai a bwytai a allai aros ar agor yn gyfreithiol a gweini bwyd ond nid alcohol, ond maent wedi penderfynu nad yw'n hyfyw. Yn achos yr Angel yn y Fenni, maent yn aros ar gau tan ganol mis Ionawr, oherwydd mae'n rhaid iddynt wneud eu harchebion ymhell ymlaen llaw. Felly, mae hwn yn bris trwm i'w dalu, a dyna pam y mae angen sicrwydd arnom mai dyma'r ffordd gywir o weithredu. A wnewch chi, neu a wnaiff Llywodraeth Cymru neu'r Gweinidog ymrwymo i ddal ati i adolygu hyn? O leiaf, credaf fod angen inni weld mwy o dystiolaeth sy'n ei gefnogi. Gwn fod rhai o'r Aelodau o'r Senedd wedi dweud eu bod wedi gweld y dystiolaeth a'u bod wedi cael sicrwydd ganddi, ond allan yno, credaf nad yw pobl y byddaf yn siarad â hwy'n ymwybodol fod y dystiolaeth honno'n bodoli neu'n cynnig cyfiawnhad angenrheidiol dros y camau sy'n cael eu cymryd. Hyd yn oed os yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn iawn ar hyn, ac nid oes gennyf reswm i amau nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn credu ei bod yn cymryd y camau cywir yma, y perygl yw y bydd y cyhoedd yn colli hyder, a chredaf fod David Rowlands wedi sôn am hyn. Os bydd y cyhoedd yn colli hyder yn y mesurau ac yn esgeuluso'r canllawiau fwyfwy, bydd hynny'n caniatáu i'r feirws gael troed yn y drws a bydd yn ymestyn y cyfnod y mae'n ei gymryd i ostwng y cyfraddau trosglwyddo. Gwyddom fod y sefyllfa, yn Abertawe, wedi'i disgrifio fel un 'drychinebus', felly mae'n amlwg fod problem iechyd cyhoeddus enfawr yma y mae angen mynd i'r afael â hi, ac mae angen mynd i'r afael â hi drwy ganllawiau, ond os nad ydym yn mynd â'r cyhoedd gyda ni ar hyn, mae perygl y byddwn yn cronni mwy o broblemau ar gyfer y dyfodol. A gadewch i ni beidio ag anghofio, mae gennym frechlyn nawr, rownd y gornel gobeithio, i ymdrin â'r pandemig, felly nid ydym am wneud pethau'n waeth nawr. Felly, i gloi, Ddirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n credu bod angen datrys hyn. Rwy'n credu bod angen adolygu'r penderfyniad. Mae angen inni weld y dystiolaeth a nodwyd ar gyfer y mesurau hyn. Mae angen inni fynd â'r cyhoedd gyda ni, yn enwedig yn y cyfnod cyn y Nadolig, os ydym am lacio'r mesurau hynny dros gyfnod y Nadolig, fel y gallwn i gyd ddod at ein gilydd a chanolbwyntio ar ymladd y pandemig ac adeiladu nôl yn well.