English: Can I thank the committee for bringing this report forward, and once again say it shows the power of the Petitions Committee in bringing really important matters in front of the Senedd, and the facility that we have within this Welsh Parliament, Senedd Cymru, to actually articulate the views of people outside of this Chamber itself? It's a great opportunity to debate this. And, in opening my remarks, I also join others in commending the work of families who have campaigned on these issues. We can't understand the tragedy that they've been through, but we can empathise with it, and it's the fear that many of us have as parents and others, if something like this went wrong. But, the points that I want to raise, in agreeing with much of what is in the report, some of which I'll pick up from Sam in a moment, who does a commendable job in chairing the cross-party group that focuses on outdoor activities and outdoor education - . Of course, we always look at Wales as a country that is full of outdoor adventure and adrenaline, but we have to do it safely, of course, and there is a body of expertise there, Minister, I think. In fact, Minister, you've appeared with that group before and I'm sure you'll want to draw on the expertise within it in taking forward some of these recommendations, because they do specialise in safety in the outdoors, including water safety, and they'd want to contribute. I know they've made it clear that they'd want to contribute to this work going forward, and, I think, to engage with the Petitions Committee and with the families as well. There were two specific things that I wanted to pick out of the report that haven't been mentioned extensively in the debate today. One is, in some of the evidence that you gathered, the issue of risk assessment was picked up on. I think that's appropriate. Way back in a previous life, when I was a lecturer, we used to talk about how you manage activity in the outdoors, and we looked at American models like the recreation opportunity spectrum: where you know that you have a high risk, where you have intensive use, where you know that there are going to be youngsters, teenagers, going and canoeing, jumping in, whatever, then you focus your intensive signage and you focus your throw lines and you focus them into those areas, and you make sure they're there. But, there's a difference between that and the top hills of Plynlimon, where there might indeed be an open-water source, and there might indeed be people who go free swimming, but it would seem incongruous to put signage and so on there. So, that idea of risk assessment, site-specific assessment, I think, is very important. The other thing is to actually pull partners together in taking forward these proposals. We want Wales to be celebrated as a place where you can safely enjoy the outdoors, but I think that aspiration of Water Safety Wales and others to rule out fatalities in these situations is the right aspiration, but we need to think carefully how we do this and we bring partners with real knowledge together to do it. But, just finally in closing, I commend the work the family has done and the Petitions Committee in bringing this forward. It's a good debate; it's the right debate to have.
Welsh: A gaf fi ddiolch i'r pwyllgor am gyflwyno'r adroddiad hwn, a dweud unwaith eto ei fod yn dangos grym y Pwyllgor Deisebau yn cyflwyno materion pwysig iawn i'r Senedd, a'r gallu sydd gennym yn Senedd Cymru i fynegi barn pobl y tu allan i'r Siambr hon ei hun? Mae'n gyfle gwych i drafod hyn. Ac wrth agor fy sylwadau, ymunaf ag eraill i ganmol gwaith teuluoedd sydd wedi ymgyrchu ar y materion hyn. Ni allwn ddeall y drasiedi y maent wedi bod drwyddi, ond gallwn gydymdeimlo â hwy, a'r ofn sydd gan lawer ohonom fel rhieni ac eraill, pe bai rhywbeth fel hyn yn mynd o'i le. Ond y pwyntiau rwyf am eu codi, wrth gytuno â llawer o'r hyn sydd yn yr adroddiad, y byddaf yn dilyn Sam arno mewn eiliad, ac mae Sam yn gwneud gwaith clodwiw wrth gadeirio'r grŵp trawsbleidiol sy'n canolbwyntio ar weithgareddau awyr agored ac addysg awyr agored - . Wrth gwrs, rydym bob amser yn edrych ar Gymru fel gwlad sy'n llawn antur awyr agored ac adrenalin, ond mae'n rhaid inni wneud hynny'n ddiogel, wrth gwrs, a chredaf fod corff o arbenigedd yno, Weinidog. A dweud y gwir, Weinidog, rydych wedi cyfarfod gyda'r grŵp hwnnw o'r blaen, ac rwy'n siŵr y byddwch yn awyddus i ddefnyddio'r arbenigedd sydd ynddo i fwrw ymlaen â rhai o'r argymhellion hyn, gan eu bod yn arbenigo mewn diogelwch yn yr awyr agored, gan gynnwys diogelwch dŵr, a byddent yn awyddus i gyfrannu. Gwn eu bod wedi dweud yn glir y byddent yn awyddus i gyfrannu at y gwaith hwn wrth symud ymlaen ac i ymgysylltu â'r Pwyllgor Deisebau a chyda'r teuluoedd hefyd. Roedd dau beth penodol roeddwn am eu nodi o'r adroddiad nad ydynt wedi'u crybwyll yn helaeth yn y ddadl heddiw. Un yw, mewn rhywfaint o'r dystiolaeth a gasglwyd gennych, nodwyd mater asesu risg. Credaf fod hynny'n briodol. Ymhell yn ôl, mewn bywyd blaenorol, pan oeddwn yn ddarlithydd, roeddem yn arfer siarad ynglŷn â sut rydych chi'n rheoli gweithgarwch yn yr awyr agored, a buom yn edrych ar fodelau Americanaidd fel y sbectrwm o gyfleoedd hamdden: lle gwyddoch fod gennych risg uchel, lle mae gennych ddefnydd dwys, lle gwyddoch y bydd pobl ifanc, pobl ifanc yn eu harddegau, yn mynd i ganŵio, yn neidio i mewn, beth bynnag, yna rydych yn canolbwyntio'ch arwyddion dwys ac rydych yn canolbwyntio'ch cortynnau taflu ac rydych yn eu canolbwyntio ar y mannau hynny, ac rydych yn sicrhau eu bod yno. Ond mae gwahaniaeth rhwng hynny a bryniau uchaf Pumlumon, lle gallai fod ffynhonnell o ddŵr agored, ac efallai'n wir fod yno bobl sy'n mynd i nofio mewn dŵr agored, ond byddai'n od iawn rhoi arwyddion ac ati yno. Felly, credaf fod y syniad hwnnw o asesu risg, asesiadau safle-benodol, yn bwysig iawn. Y peth arall yw dod â phartneriaid ynghyd i fwrw ymlaen â'r cynigion hyn. Rydym am i Gymru gael ei dathlu fel man lle gallwch fwynhau'r awyr agored yn ddiogel, ond credaf mai dyhead Diogelwch Dŵr Cymru ac eraill i atal marwolaethau yn y sefyllfaoedd hyn yw'r dyhead cywir, ond mae angen inni feddwl yn ofalus ynglŷn â sut rydym yn gwneud hyn, a dod â phartneriaid a chanddynt arbenigedd ynghyd er mwyn gwneud hynny. Ond i gloi, rwy'n canmol y gwaith y mae'r teulu wedi'i wneud, a'r Pwyllgor Deisebau am gyflwyno hyn. Mae'n ddadl dda; dyma'r ddadl iawn i'w chael.