English: I absolutely concede that I haven't been to Berwyn, but it's far too soon for us to know how it's going to perform, as it only opened at the beginning of this year. I certainly don't think we should be jumping into another superprison. We have an appalling record in terms of recidivism and at the moment we lock people up to make them into more successful criminals, particularly those on short sentence, despite the best efforts of individual prison offers and other agencies who endeavour to change that. But this isn't about attacking people in the system, nor is it about denying that victims need justice and that people have to serve their time. But we cannot be moving towards the US system, where they spend more money on locking people up than they spend on education, so this is not the solution, it seems to me. And I don't understand, therefore, why Wales should be part of the broken, ineffective criminal justice system that we have at the moment. The particulars of this site is that I understand it's due to go over a piece of land that Mark Barry has designated as part of the Swansea regional metro, and that seems absolutely crazy, if that is a strategic part of that. The fact is that half of the adults released from prison reoffend, and 65 per cent of those - two thirds - reoffend if they've had a sentence of less than one year. So, it's completely pointless sending people to prison for sentences of less than a year, because we need to have other ways of ensuring that they serve their time. The recidivism is much less for people who've been given cautions. I just find the way in which criminal justice is completely dominated by the prejudices peddled by the Daily Mail, which for decades have been putting out their vitriol for anybody who tries to describe a different system - . Their vitriol doesn't just extend to offenders - it extends to children. I fully recall the deeply disagreeable campaign to stop a children's Christmas party at Holloway prison, all because it had been released that the prison officers had organised this for these children, who obviously are the most disadvantaged people, who lose their parents when they go to prison. I just think that the cost per bed of £40,000 a year could be better spent. We need to look at better systems within Europe. For example, in Norway, the penal system - yes, people go to prison, but they are given trust and responsibility as soon as they are able to demonstrate that they are determined to live a crime-free life on release. They get weekly conjugal visits, which is a very important thing, because it enables families to stay together, which is a key part of preventing people going back to being criminals. If you treat people like animals, they're likely to behave like animals. Instead, in Norway, they live in pods - bungalows of four to six adults. They get to buy their own food for breakfast and supper; they only have one meal prepared for them. And they work in order to earn their keep. I agree that Swansea and Cardiff are reaching the end of their life, but realising this asset would give us the resources to build a different sort of prison that retains the links to the local community. I can tell you that the people whose loved ones are currently in Cardiff prison don't have the money to go to Port Talbot. We need somewhere to hold people close to Cardiff - somewhere within metro distance of Cardiff. I hope that we don't have this new superprison in south Wales. I don't feel the need for it, and I think we should do something completely different in Wales.
Welsh: Rwy'n cyfaddef yn llwyr nad wyf wedi bod yng ngharchar Berwyn, ond mae'n llawer rhy fuan i ni wybod sut y mae mynd i berfformio, gan nad agorodd tan ddechrau'r flwyddyn hon. Yn sicr nid wyf yn meddwl y dylem lamu tuag at archgarchar arall. Mae gennym record warthus o ran troseddu parhaus ac ar hyn o bryd rydym yn rhoi pobl dan glo er mwyn eu gwneud yn droseddwyr mwy llwyddiannus, yn enwedig y rhai ar ddedfryd fer, er gwaethaf ymdrechion gorau carchardai unigol ac asiantaethau eraill sy'n ymdrechu i newid hynny. Ond nid yw hyn yn ymwneud ag ymosod ar bobl yn y system, ac nid yw'n ymwneud â gwadu'r ffaith fod angen cyfiawnder ar ddioddefwyr a bod angen i bobl dreulio amser yng ngharchar. Ond ni allwn symud tuag at system yr Unol Daleithiau, lle maent yn gwario mwy o arian ar gadw pobl dan glo nag y maent yn ei wario ar addysg, felly nid dyma'r ateb, mae'n ymddangos i mi. Ac nid wyf yn deall, felly, pam y dylai Cymru fod yn rhan o'r system cyfiawnder troseddol doredig, aneffeithiol sydd gennym ar hyn o bryd. Rwy'n deall fod manylion y safle hwn yn dangos ei fod i fynd dros ddarn o dir a ddynodwyd gan Mark Barry yn rhan o fetro rhanbarthol Abertawe, ac mae hynny i'w weld yn gwbl hurt, os yw hwnnw'n rhan strategol ohono. Y ffaith amdani yw bod hanner yr oedolion sy'n cael eu rhyddhau o'r carchar yn aildroseddu, ac mae 65 y cant o'r rheini - dwy ran o dair - yn aildroseddu os ydynt wedi cael dedfryd o lai na blwyddyn. Felly, mae'n hollol ddibwrpas anfon pobl i'r carchar am ddedfryd o lai na blwyddyn, oherwydd mae angen i ni gael ffyrdd eraill o sicrhau eu bod yn cyflawni eu dedfryd. Mae troseddu parhaus yn llawer llai ymhlith pobl sydd wedi cael rhybuddiadau. Mae'r ffordd y mae cyfiawnder troseddol wedi ei ddominyddu'n llwyr gan y rhagfarnau a bedlerir gan y Daily Mail, sydd ers degawdau wedi bod yn lledaenu eu bustl yn erbyn unrhyw un sy'n ceisio disgrifio system wahanol - . Nid yw eu bustl wedi'i gyfyngu'n unig i droseddwyr - mae'n cynnwys plant. Cofiaf yn iawn un ymgyrch hynod o annymunol i atal parti Nadolig i blant yng ngharchar Holloway, a'r cyfan oherwydd i'r ffaith gael ei rhyddhau fod y swyddogion carchar wedi trefnu'r parti ar gyfer y plant hyn, sef y bobl fwyaf ddifreintiedig mae'n amlwg, sy'n colli eu rhieni pan fyddant yn mynd i'r carchar. Rwy'n meddwl y gellid gwario cost gwely o £40,000 y flwyddyn yn well. Mae angen inni edrych ar systemau gwell o fewn Ewrop. Er enghraifft, yn Norwy, mae'r system gosbi - oes, mae pobl yn mynd i'r carchar, ond rhoddir ymddiriedaeth a chyfrifoldeb iddynt cyn gynted ag y gallant ddangos eu bod yn benderfynol o fyw bywyd heb droseddu ar ôl eu rhyddhau. Maent yn cael ymweliadau priodasol wythnosol, sy'n bwysig iawn, oherwydd mae'n galluogi teuluoedd i aros gyda'i gilydd, sy'n rhan allweddol o atal pobl rhag mynd yn ôl i fod yn droseddwyr. Os ydych yn trin pobl fel anifeiliaid, maent yn debygol o ymddwyn fel anifeiliaid. Yn hytrach, yn Norwy, maent yn byw mewn podiau - byngalos ar gyfer pedwar i chwech oedolyn. Cânt brynu eu bwyd eu hunain ar gyfer brecwast a swper; un pryd yn unig sy'n cael ei baratoi ar eu cyfer. Ac maent yn gweithio er mwyn ennill digon i fyw arno. Cytunaf fod carchardai Abertawe a Chaerdydd yn cyrraedd diwedd eu hoes, ond byddai realeiddio'r ased hwn yn rhoi'r adnoddau inni adeiladu math gwahanol o garchar sy'n cadw'r cysylltiadau â'r gymuned leol. Gallaf ddweud wrthych nad oes arian gan y bobl sydd ag anwyliaid yng ngharchar Caerdydd ar hyn o bryd i fynd i Bort Talbot. Rydym angen rhywle i ddal pobl sy'n agos at Gaerdydd - rhywle o fewn pellter metro i Gaerdydd. Rwy'n gobeithio na chawn yr archgarchar newydd hwn yn ne Cymru. Nid wyf yn teimlo bod ei angen, a chredaf y dylem wneud rhywbeth hollol wahanol yng Nghymru.