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English: Thank you. The question is that amendment 152 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Therefore, we will proceed to an electronic vote. And open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 41, no abstentions, 14 against. Therefore, the amendment is agreed.
Welsh: Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 152. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Felly, awn ymlaen i bleidleisio'n electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 41, neb yn ymatal, 14 yn erbyn. Felly, derbynnir y gwelliant.
English: Thank you. As there are amendments to amendment 153, these will be disposed of first. I propose that amendments 153A, 153B and 153C, which again appear consecutively on the marshalled list, are disposed of en bloc. Does any Member object to the votes being grouped? No. That's good. Darren Millar, amendments 153A to 153C.
Welsh: Diolch. Gan fod gwelliannau i welliant 153, cawn wared ar y rhain yn gyntaf. Rwy'n argymell bod gwelliannau 153A, 153B a 153C, sydd eto yn ymddangos yn y drefn honno ar y rhestr o welliannau wedi'u didoli, yn cael eu gwaredu en bloc. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu i'r pleidleisiau gael eu grwpio? Na. Da iawn. Darren Millar, gwelliannau 153A i 153C.
English: Thank you. The question is that amendments 153A to 153C be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Object. Therefore, we proceed to an electronic vote. And open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendments 18, no abstentions, 37 against. Therefore, the amendments are lost.
Welsh: Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliannau 153A i 153C. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Gwrthwynebiad. Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliannau 18, neb yn ymatal, 37 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodir y gwelliannau.
English: So, now we go to a vote on amendment 153. Does any Member object to amendment 153? [ Objection. ] Thank you. We go to an electronic vote. And open the vote. Close the vote. For the motion 42, no abstentions, 13 against.
Welsh: Felly, pleidleisiwn yn awr ar welliant 153. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu gwelliant 153? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Diolch. Symudwn at bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y cynnig 42, neb yn ymatal, 13 yn erbyn.
English: Sorry, I should have mentioned amendment 48, David Melding.
Welsh: Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, dylwn fod wedi crybwyll gwelliant 48, David Melding.
English: Not moved. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Welsh: Heb ei gynnig. Diolch yn fawr. Diolch.
English: Thank you. Again, there are amendments to amendment 154, so we'll dispose of those first. I propose again that amendments 154A, 154B and 154C, which appear consecutively on the marshalled list, be disposed of en bloc. Does any Member object? No. Therefore, Darren Millar, amendments 154A to 154C.
Welsh: Diolch. Unwaith eto, ceir gwelliannau i welliant 154, felly cawn wared ar y rheini yn gyntaf. Rwy'n argymell eto y dylid gwaredu gwelliannau 154A, 154B a 154C en bloc, sy'n ymddangos yn y drefn honno ar y rhestr o welliannau wedi'u didoli. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Na. Felly, Darren Millar, gwelliannau 154A i 154C.
English: The question is that amendments 154A to 154C be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Object. Therefore, we proceed to an electronic vote. And open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendments 18, no abstentions, 36 against. Therefore, the amendments are not agreed.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliannau 154A i 154C. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Gwrthwynebiad. Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliannau 18, neb yn ymatal, 36 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd y gwelliannau.
English: We now move to a vote on amendment 154. If amendment 154 is agreed to, amendments 49, 50 and 51 fall. So, the question is that amendment 154 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Okay. We move to an electronic vote. And open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 40, no abstentions, 14 against. Therefore, the amendment is agreed.
Welsh: Symudwn yn awr at bleidlais ar welliant 154. Os derbynnir gwelliant 154, bydd gwelliannau 49, 50 a 51 yn methu. Felly, y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 154. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] O'r gorau. Symudwn at bleidlais electronig. Agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 40, neb yn ymatal, 14 yn erbyn. Felly, derbyniwyd y gwelliant.
English: Thank you. The question is that amendment 155 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] Therefore, we move to an electronic vote, and open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 41, no abstentions, 14 against. Therefore, the amendment is agreed.
Welsh: Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 155. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig, ac agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 41, neb yn ymatal, 14 yn erbyn. Felly, derbyniwyd y gwelliant.
English: Thank you. If amendment 156 is agreed to, amendments 53 and 54 will fall. The question is that amendment 156 be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection. ] Therefore, we proceed to an electronic vote, and open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 41, no abstentions, 14 against. Therefore, amendment 156 is agreed to and amendments 53 and 54 will fall.
Welsh: Diolch. Os derbynnir gwelliant 156, bydd gwelliannau 53 a 54 yn methu. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 156. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig, ac agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 41, neb yn ymatal, 14 yn erbyn. Felly, derbynnir gwelliant 156 a bydd gwelliannau 53 a 54 yn methu.
English: Counsel General, amendment 81.
Welsh: Y Cwnsler Cyffredinol, gwelliant 81.
English: Thank you, and as there are amendments to amendments 81, those amendments will be disposed of first. David Melding, amendment 81A.
Welsh: Diolch, a chan fod gwelliannau i welliant 81, fe wnawn ymdrin â'r gwelliannau hynny yn gyntaf. David Melding, gwelliant 81A.
English: Moved. Thank you. The question is that amendment 81A be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] Object. Therefore, we proceed to an electronic vote, and open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 18, no abstentions, 37 against. Therefore, the amendment is not agreed.
Welsh: Cynigiwyd. Diolch. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 81A. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Gwrthwynebiad. Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig, ac agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 18, neb yn ymatal, 37 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd y gwelliant.
English: Moved. The question is that amendment 81B be agreed to. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] Object. Therefore, we proceed to an electronic vote, and open the vote. Close the vote. For the amendment 18, no abstentions, 37 against. Therefore, amendment 81B is not agreed.
Welsh: Cynigiwyd. Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 81B. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Gwrthwynebiad. Felly, symudwn at bleidlais electronig, ac agor y bleidlais. Cau'r bleidlais. O blaid y gwelliant 18, neb yn ymatal, 37 yn erbyn. Felly, gwrthodwyd gwelliant 81B.
English: The question is that amendment 81 be agreed to. Does any Member object? No. Therefore, amendment 81 is agreed in accordance with Standing Orders.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw a ddylid derbyn gwelliant 81. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Na. Felly, derbynnir gwelliant 81 yn unol â'r Rheolau Sefydlog.
English: We now move to group 2. This group of amendments relates to the extension of the right to vote to persons aged 16 and 17, and the associated electoral registration. The lead amendment in this group is amendment 102, and I call on Darren Millar to move and speak to the lead amendment and other amendments in the group. Darren.
Welsh: Symudwn ymlaen yn awr at grŵp 2. Mae'r grŵp hwn o welliannau yn ymwneud ag estyn yr hawl i bersonau 16 a 17 oed bleidleisio, a threfniadau cofrestru etholiadol cysylltiedig. Y gwelliant arweiniol yn y grŵp hwn yw gwelliant 102, a galwaf ar Darren Millar i gynnig a siarad am y gwelliant arweiniol a gwelliannau eraill yn y grŵp. Darren.
English: I think the percentage might be off, but the absolute number voting will increase.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu y gallai'r ganran fod yn llai, ond bydd y nifer absoliwt sy'n pleidleisio yn codi.
English: The number participating may well increase, but in terms of the percentage of overall voters entitled to vote, I would expect the addition of 16 and 17-year-olds in terms of extending the franchise to actually result in a lower turnout overall, which I think is something that is bad for democracy, actually. And I have to say, I haven't seen any evidence of 16 and 17-year-olds clamouring to ask me, as the elected politician in my own constituency, to change the law to entitle them to have an opportunity to vote.
Welsh: Mae'n bosibl iawn y bydd y nifer sy'n cymryd rhan yn codi, ond o ran canran gyffredinol y pleidleiswyr sydd â hawl i bleidleisio, buaswn yn disgwyl y byddai estyn yr etholfraint i unigolion 16 ac 17 oed yn arwain at lai yn pleidleisio yn gyffredinol, a chredaf fod hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n ddrwg i ddemocratiaeth mewn gwirionedd. Ac mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, nid wyf wedi gweld unrhyw dystiolaeth fod pobl ifanc 16 a 17 oed yn crochlefain arnaf, fel y gwleidydd etholedig yn fy etholaeth, i newid y gyfraith er mwyn rhoi'r hawl iddynt gael cyfle i bleidleisio.
English: I'm very grateful to Darren Millar for giving way. Of course, we have a real-life experiment where 16 and 17-year-old voters were able to vote in the Scottish referendum. I think if you look at the turnout figures for that age group, you'll find that they were substantially higher than the turnout figures for 18 to 21-year-olds. So, I don't think that we can extrapolate as you're suggesting.
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i Darren Millar am ildio. Wrth gwrs, mae gennym arbrawf byw go iawn lle roedd pleidleiswyr 16 ac 17 oed yn cael pleidleisio yn refferendwm yr Alban. Os edrychwch ar y ffigurau a bleidleisiodd yn y grŵp oedran hwnnw, rwy'n credu y gwelwch eu bod yn sylweddol uwch na'r ffigurau ar gyfer y rhai rhwng 18 ac 21 oed a bleidleisiodd. Felly, nid wyf yn meddwl y gallwn allosod fel rydych chi'n ei awgrymu.
English: Thank you very much. I heard earlier that you said that 16 and 17-year-olds weren't clamouring to vote. Well, my experience, I have to say, is different to yours. Because I find that those who are visiting the Senedd who are under 18 are very engaged and ask very pertinent questions and are often better informed than much older peers. I can share your concern about a reduction in the franchise actually taking part in elections, I agree that that is really serious, but I think that lowering the age to 16 is going to increase the numbers taking part, because 16-year-olds are still in compulsory education and therefore there will be a huge opportunity to explain to everybody just what is at stake here and why they should be taking part in these important elections.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Clywais yn gynharach eich bod yn dweud nad oedd pobl ifanc 16 a 17 oed yn crochlefain am gael pleidleisio. Wel, mae fy mhrofiad i, mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, yn wahanol i'ch un chi. Oherwydd rwy'n gweld bod y rhai sy'n ymweld â'r Senedd ac sydd o dan 18 oed yn llawn diddordeb ac yn gofyn cwestiynau perthnasol iawn ac yn aml yn meddu ar fwy o wybodaeth na chymheiriaid sy'n llawer hŷn. Gallaf rannu eich pryder ynghylch y lleihad yn y nifer yn yr etholfraint sy'n cymryd rhan mewn etholiadau, ac rwy'n cytuno bod hynny'n wirioneddol ddifrifol, ond credaf y bydd gostwng yr oedran i 16 yn cynyddu'r niferoedd sy'n cymryd rhan, gan fod pobl ifanc 16 oed yn dal i fod mewn addysg orfodol ac felly bydd cyfle enfawr i egluro i bawb yn union beth sydd yn y fantol yma a pham y dylent gymryd rhan yn yr etholiadau pwysig hyn.
English: There are many young people, you're quite right, who are very engaged in politics, and those of course who come here to visit this institution are those who are likely to have a propensity to engage more than those who do not visit here. And of course, the overwhelming majority of young people in Wales have never visited any Parliament in the United Kingdom, let alone the National Assembly for Wales. So, I don't think that your argument actually holds water. I know that there are some who are perfectly mature, perfectly well informed, but the majority aren't, and that's why I think this element of education first is absolutely essential in terms of equipping people ready to be responsible citizens who take part in the democratic opportunities that they have when elections come, rather than not. And the reality is, as you quite rightly have said - because you've engaged with young people, and we all engage with young people in this Chamber - that those young people have the opportunity to influence their politicians, regardless of whether they have a vote, or not. Many of us in this Chamber joined the political parties that we represent before we were entitled to vote. I can see many interventions there. I'll take one first from your colleague.
Welsh: Rydych yn llygad eich lle, mae llawer o bobl ifanc yn ymwneud yn helaeth â gwleidyddiaeth, a'r rhai sy'n dod yma i ymweld â'r sefydliad hwn yw'r rhai sy'n debygol o fod â thueddiad i ymgysylltu mwy na'r rhai nad ydynt yn ymweld â'r lle hwn. Ac wrth gwrs, nid yw'r mwyafrif llethol o bobl ifanc yng Nghymru erioed wedi ymweld ag unrhyw Senedd yn y Deyrnas Unedig, heb sôn am Gynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru. Felly, nid wyf yn credu bod eich dadl yn dal dŵr mewn gwirionedd. Rwy'n gwybod bod yna rai sy'n gwbl aeddfed, yn gwbl wybodus, ond nid yw'r mwyafrif ohonynt, a dyna pam rwy'n credu bod yr elfen hon o addysg yn gyntaf yn gwbl hanfodol i arfogi pobl i'w paratoi i fod yn ddinasyddion cyfrifol sy'n cymryd rhan yn y cyfleoedd democrataidd sydd ganddynt pan ddaw etholiadau, yn hytrach na pheidio â chymryd rhan. A'r realiti yw, fel y dywedoch chi'n gwbl gywir - oherwydd eich bod wedi ymgysylltu â phobl ifanc, ac mae pawb ohonom yn ymgysylltu â phobl ifanc yn y Siambr hon - yw fod gan y bobl ifanc hynny gyfle i ddylanwadu ar eu gwleidyddion p'un a oes ganddynt bleidlais ai peidio. Ymunodd llawer ohonom yn y Siambr hon â'r pleidiau gwleidyddol rydym yn eu cynrychioli cyn inni gael yr hawl i bleidleisio. Gallaf weld llawer o ymyriadau yno. Cymeraf un yn gyntaf gan eich cyd-Aelod.
English: Thank you. Whilst I have listened carefully to what you've said, I've heard this mantra somewhere else before. And it was exactly the same mantra that was used against giving women the vote, and it was: 'They're not educated' - well, they couldn't be educated, because they weren't allowed to enter education, in any case - and they weren't able to make up their own minds, because they were immature of mind and thought. And it just has such similarities that you might as well have taken it from those statements at that time. So, I'm sorry to have to tell you that we've heard this all before, particularly the women here who have been engaged in political dialogue, and I can't accept it on behalf of 16 and 17-year-olds either.
Welsh: Diolch. Er fy mod wedi gwrando'n ofalus ar yr hyn rydych wedi'i ddweud, rwyf wedi clywed y mantra hwn yn rhywle arall o'r blaen. Ac yn union yr un mantra a ddefnyddiwyd yn erbyn rhoi'r bleidlais i fenywod, sef: 'Nid ydynt wedi cael addysg' - wel, ni ellid eu haddysgu am na chaent eu caniatáu i gael addysg - ac nid oeddent yn gallu ffurfio'u barn eu hunain, am eu bod yn anaeddfed eu meddwl. Ac mae mor debyg, gallech fod wedi'i gymryd o'r datganiadau a wnaed yr adeg honno. Felly, mae'n ddrwg gennyf orfod dweud wrthych ein bod wedi clywed hyn i gyd o'r blaen, yn enwedig y menywod yma sydd wedi cymryd rhan mewn trafodaethau gwleidyddol, ac ni allaf ei dderbyn ar ran pobl ifanc 16 a 17 oed chwaith.
English: Well, I wasn't around when those arguments were taking place. I appreciate that there were many wrong arguments used, and I'm very pleased that the Conservatives led the charge in extending the franchise for women's votes. [ Interruption.] But I will say this, and I'll make the point again: there are opportunities for young people who are below the voting age, even now, to influence the outcomes of elections by getting engaged in their local politics, on campaigning issues, in the same way that young people do, as is currently the case, and join political parties and persuade people through their arguments to vote in a certain direction. I was 15 when I joined the Conservative Party, and I like to think that I influenced the election results in my own area. And I think, frankly, if you're making this argument about giving young people the vote at the age of 16, you could make very similar arguments to reduce it to 14 because there are some people who are perfectly mature enough to be able to vote at that age. I'll take the intervention.
Welsh: Wel, nid oeddwn o gwmpas pan oedd y dadleuon hynny'n digwydd. Rwy'n derbyn bod llawer o ddadleuon anghywir wedi'u defnyddio, ac rwy'n falch iawn fod y Ceidwadwyr wedi arwain y frwydr i ymestyn yr etholfraint i gynnwys pleidleisiau i fenywod. [ Torri ar draws. ] Ond rwyf am ddweud hyn, a gwnaf y pwynt eto: mae cyfleoedd i bobl ifanc sydd o dan yr oedran pleidleisio, hyd yn oed yn awr, i ddylanwadu ar ganlyniadau etholiadau drwy gymryd rhan mewn gwleidyddiaeth leol, ar faterion ymgyrchu, yn yr un ffordd ag y mae pobl ifanc yn ei wneud, fel sy'n digwydd ar hyn o bryd, ac ymuno â phleidiau gwleidyddol a pherswadio pobl drwy eu dadleuon i bleidleisio mewn modd penodol. Roeddwn yn 15 oed pan ymunais â'r Blaid Geidwadol, a hoffwn feddwl fy mod wedi dylanwadu ar ganlyniadau etholiadau yn fy ardal fy hun. Ac yn fy marn i, os ydych chi'n dadlau ynglŷn â rhoi pleidlais i bobl ifanc yn 16 oed, fe allech wneud dadleuon tebyg iawn i'w ostwng i 14 oherwydd mae yna rai pobl yr oedran hwnnw sy'n hen ddigon aeddfed i allu pleidleisio. Fe gymeraf yr ymyriad.
English: Contrary to the popular belief that there's always a good reception on the doorstep, very often we knock on a door and somebody says, 'I'm not interested. I don't care about politics.' Do you think they should be denied the vote as well?
Welsh: Yn wahanol i'r gred boblogaidd fod yna dderbyniad da bob amser ar stepen y drws, yn aml iawn rydym yn curo ar ddrws ac mae rhywun yn dweud, 'Nid oes gennyf ddiddordeb. Nid wyf yn poeni am wleidyddiaeth.' A ydych chi'n meddwl y dylid eu hamddifadu hwy o'r bleidlais hefyd?
English: Well, they choose to exercise their right not to vote. We see that a lot in our constituencies, don't we? But the reality is that I don't see people clamouring at my door or, indeed, I expect, at your door, asking for the opportunity to vote when they're aged 16 and 17. I'll take the intervention from - .
Welsh: Wel, maent yn dewis arfer eu hawl i beidio â phleidleisio. Rydym yn gweld llawer o hynny yn ein hetholaethau, onid ydym? Ond y gwir amdani yw nad wyf yn gweld pobl yn crochlefain wrth fy nrws nac yn wir, wrth eich drws chi, rwy'n tybio, yn gofyn am y cyfle i bleidleisio pan fyddant yn 16 a 17 oed. Fe dderbyniaf yr ymyriad - .
English: They're clamouring at my door to vote for me, I can tell you. [ Laughter.] It's what you're doing that's the problem. That's a matter for you. [ Laughter.] You're one of the great revolutionaries, Darren, and the fundamental issue here, at 16, is that people pay tax. And you will remember the American revolutionary cry, 'No taxation without representation.' You're a revolutionary, you accept that principle.
Welsh: Maent yn crochlefain wrth fy nrws i gael pleidleisio drosof fi, gallaf ddweud wrthych. [ Chwerthin. ] Yr hyn rydych chi'n ei wneud yw'r broblem. Mater i chi yw hynny. [ Chwerthin. ] Rydych chi'n un o'r chwyldroadwyr mawr, Darren, a'r mater sylfaenol yma, yn 16 oed, yw fod pobl yn talu treth. Ac fe fyddwch yn cofio'r gri chwyldroadol Americanaidd, 'Dim trethi heb gynrychiolaeth.' Rydych chi'n chwyldroadwr, rydych chi'n derbyn yr egwyddor honno.
English: People below the age of 16 pay tax if they earn enough income. That's the reality in our society. So, are we arguing that a one-year-old who happens to have an income that is in excess of the tax threshold ought to have the vote? It's a preposterous argument, frankly. The point I'm making is that we are being inconsistent as politicians if we legislate to prevent young people from being able to access sunbeds, ingest alcohol and a whole host of other things, and nobody in this Chamber appears to be proposing that we ought to lower the age for those things to 16, then I think that we have taken sensible decisions in order to protect them because they're insufficiently mature. And I think it's the right thing in order to have this age of consistency at 18. That's my own personal view, and that's why I'm moving these amendments today.
Welsh: Mae pobl o dan 16 oed yn talu treth os ydynt yn ennill digon o incwm. Dyna'r realiti yn ein cymdeithas. Felly, a ydym yn dadlau y dylai plentyn blwydd oed sy'n digwydd bod ag incwm sy'n fwy na'r trothwy treth gael y bleidlais? Mae'n ddadl hurt, a bod yn onest. Y pwynt rwy'n ei wneud yw ein bod yn anghyson fel gwleidyddion os ydym yn deddfu i atal pobl ifanc rhag gallu defnyddio gwelyau haul, yfed alcohol a llu o bethau eraill, ac ymddengys nad oes neb yn y Siambr hon yn cynnig y dylem ostwng yr oedran ar gyfer y pethau hynny i 16, felly credaf ein bod wedi gwneud penderfyniadau synhwyrol er mwyn eu diogelu am nad ydynt yn ddigon aeddfed. Ac rwy'n credu mai dyna'r peth iawn i'w wneud er mwyn cael y cysondeb oedran hwn yn 18 oed. Dyna fy marn bersonol i, a dyna pam rwy'n cynnig y gwelliannau hyn heddiw.
English: Before I talk about the amendments I want to move, I think 16-year-olds should get the vote, but I have to say - [ Interruption.] Oh no, you really should have waited. You really should have waited, because there's a sting in this tail, because I think the age at which people accede to universal political rights is a very important principle to set, and it could be set quite reasonably at 18.
Welsh: Cyn imi siarad am y gwelliannau rwyf am eu cynnig, credaf y dylai pobl ifanc 16 oed gael y bleidlais, ond rhaid imi ddweud - [ Torri ar draws. ] O na, dylech fod wedi aros. Fe ddylech fod wedi aros, oherwydd mae yna golyn yng nghynffon hon, oherwydd rwy'n credu bod yr oedran y mae pobl yn cael hawliau gwleidyddol cyffredinol yn egwyddor bwysig iawn i'w gosod, a gellid ei gosod yn eithaf rhesymol ar 18 oed.
English: Thank you. Can I now call the Counsel General?
Welsh: Diolch. A gaf fi alw yn awr ar y Cwnsler Cyffredinol?
English: Deputy Presiding Officer, amendments 100 to 126 from Darren Millar all seek to remove from the Bill the provisions which enfranchise of 16 and 17-year-olds and the administrative provisions necessary to give effect to the enfranchisement. They strike at the heart of the Bill in trying to do so, and I invite Members to reject these amendments because they remove one of the key aims of this Bill, which Welsh Government shares with the Commission.
Welsh: Dirprwy Lywydd, mae gwelliannau 100 i 126 oddi wrth Darren Millar yn ceisio diwygio'r Bil i ddileu'r darpariaethau sy'n ymestyn yr etholfraint i bobl 16 ac 17 oed a'r mesurau gweinyddol angenrheidiol i roi effaith i hynny. Maen nhw, wrth gwrs, yn bwrw i wraidd y Bil wrth geisio gwneud hynny ac rydw i'n gwahodd Aelodau i wrthod y rhain gan eu bod nhw'n dileu un o brif amcanion y Bil, lle mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn cytuno'n llwyr gyda'r Comisiwn.