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English: Welcome back everyone after that break, following the first evidence session this morning. We now move on to item 3 on the agenda, with a continuation of our inquiry into suicide prevention. This evidence session is with the Royal British Legion and Combat Stress. And I'm very glad, therefore, to welcome and introduce Antony Metcalfe of the Royal British Legion, and also Paula Berry from Combat Stress. We have received and are extremely grateful for your written evidence beforehand, and, as is our custom, we will go straight into questions. We do have a series of questions and not that much time, but there is plenty to discuss, I am sure, and Lynne Neagle will start for us.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i bawb felly wedi'r egwyl yna, wedi'r sesiwn dystiolaeth gyntaf o'r bore. Rydym ni'n symud ymlaen rŵan i eitem 3 ar yr agenda, gyda pharhad efo'n hymchwiliad i atal hunanladdiad. Mae'r sesiwn dystiolaeth yma gyda'r Lleng Brydeinig Frenhinol a Combat Stress. Rydw i'n falch iawn, felly, o gyflwyno ac o groesawu, yn wir, Antony Metcalfe, y Lleng Brydeinig Frenhinol, a hefyd, Paula Berry o Combat Stress. Rydym ni wedi derbyn ac yn hynod ddiolchgar am eich tystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw, ac, yn ôl ein harfer, awn ni'n syth i fewn i gwestiynau. Mae yna res o gwestiynau gyda ni, a ddim gymaint â hynny o amser, ond mae yna ddigon i'w drafod, rydw i'n siŵr, ac mi wnaiff Lynne Neagle agor y cwestiynau.
English: Thank you very much. Could I ask you what steps are in place to identify mental health problems whilst people are serving in the military? Are there specific steps in place to identify and intervene when that's necessary, when people are serving?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. A allaf i ofyn i chi pa gamau sydd yna i adnabod problemau iechyd meddwl tra bod pobl yn gwasanaethu yn y lluoedd arfog? A oes yna gamau pendant iawn i adnabod ac i ymyrryd pan fod angen gyda phroblemau iechyd meddwl, tra'u bod nhw'n gwasanaethu?
English: Thank you, Rhun. We'll move on therefore to post-discharge support. Caroline, you have a question.
Welsh: Diolch, Rhun. Symudwn ymlaen felly i'r cymorth ar ôl rhyddhau. Caroline, roedd gyda ti gwestiwn.
English: Dawn has the next questions.
Welsh: Dawn sydd â'r cwestiynau nesaf.
English: Welcome back to this latest session of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here at the National Assembly for Wales in Cardiff. We have reached item 4 now, and the continuation of our inquiry into suicide prevention. This evidence session will be with colleagues from two universities who are not actually with us; we are using alternative technology for our connection, and this evidence session is via Skype. So, if I may ask the University of Strathclyde representative to introduce themselves. We do seem to have lost the connection with Dr Sallyanne Duncan from the University of Strathclyde. So, may I ask Bournemouth University to introduce herself?
Welsh: Croeso nôl i sesiwn ddiweddaraf y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yng Nghynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru yng Nghaerdydd. Rydym ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 4 rŵan, a pharad efo'r ymchwiliad i atal hunanladdiad. Mae'r sesiwn dystiolaeth yma gyda ffrindiau o ddwy brifysgol sydd ddim gyda ni; rydym ni yn nwylo technoleg amgen, fel petai, ac rydym ni'n cael y sesiwn dystiolaeth yma drwy Skype. Felly, os gallaf i ofyn i Brifysgol Strathclyde gyflwyno'i hunan. Rydym ni wedi colli'r cysylltiad efo Dr Sallyanne Duncan o Brifysgol Strathclyde. A hefyd, os gallaf ofyn i Brifysgol Bournemouth gyflwyno'i hunan.
English: Thank you very much. I can see that we have the image from the University of Strathclyde. Can we hear from Dr Sallyanne Duncan? Hello. No. I have made the point previously that we need more powers here at the National Assembly for Wales, but I think we will continue with Bournemouth University, and hope that our representative from the University of Strathclyde can rejoin us once the signal comes through again. The first questions in this session are from Lynne Neagle. Lynne.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr. Rydw i'n gweld bod y llun yn ôl o Brifysgol Strathclyde. A ydym ni'n gallu clywed oddi wrth Dr Sallyanne Duncan? Helo. Na. Rydw i wedi gwneud y pwynt o'r blaen ynglŷn â'r angen am rhagor o bwerau yng Nghynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru, felly rydw i'n credu fe wnawn ni barhau ymlaen, ar hyn o bryd, efo Prifysgol Bournemouth, a mwy na thebyg bydd Prifysgol Strathclyde yn gallu ymuno fel mae'r signal yn dod trwodd. Mae'r cwestiynau cyntaf yn y sesiwn yma o dan ofal Lynne Neagle. Lynne.
English: Okay, thank you very much. We've run out of time for our evidence session. May I thank Dr Sallyanne Duncan from the University of Strathclyde and Dr Ann Luce from Bournemouth University? Thank you very much for your ability to respond to our questions in such a mature and insightful manner, and thank you for your patience as the technology worked in less than ideal ways this morning. You will receive a transcript of the proceedings so that you can check it for factual accuracy. With those few words, thank you very much for your attendance via Skype this morning. Thank you.
Welsh: Ocê, diolch yn fawr. Rydym wedi rhedeg allan o amser am y sesiwn dystiolaeth yma. A allaf ddiolch yn fawr iawn i Dr Sallyanne Duncan o Brifysgol Strathclyde a Dr Ann Luce, Prifysgol Bournemouth? Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich gallu i ymateb i'r cwestiynau mewn ffordd mor aeddfed a threiddgar, a hefyd diolch am eich amynedd a dyfalbarhad, wrth gwrs, wrth i'r dechnoleg weithio yn llai na delfrydol y bore yma. Mi fyddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r drafodaeth er mwyn i chi allu gwirio ei fod e'n ffeithiol gywir. Ond, gyda chymaint â hynny o ragymadrodd, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am eich presenoldeb ar Skype y bore yma. Diolch yn fawr.
English: Thank you very much, and, for the rest of the committee, we will move on immediately to item 5 and continue with our inquiry into suicide prevention. This evidence session is with Dr Rhiannon Evans from Cardiff University. We have received your written evidence beforehand, and therefore, with your forbearance, we will move straight into questions from the Members for the next half hour. So, we'll begin with Lynne Neagle.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, ac, i weddill y pwyllgor, rydym yn mynd i fynd ymlaen yn syth, yn nhermau amser, i eitem 5, gyda pharhad efo'r ymchwiliad i atal hunanladdiad. Mae'r sesiwn dystiolaeth yma gyda Dr Rhiannon Evans o Brifysgol Caerdydd. Rydym ni wedi derbyn tystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw, yn naturiol, ac felly, gyda'ch caniatâd, awn ni'n syth i mewn i gwestiynau sydd gan yr Aelodau dros yr hanner awr nesaf. Felly, fe wnawn ni ddechrau efo Lynne Neagle.
English: Finished? Okay. We'll move on to the next set of questions, which are about self-harm presentation in healthcare settings. Rhun ap Iorwerth will ask these questions.
Welsh: Wedi gorffen? Rydym ni'n symud ymlaen at y gyfres nesaf o gwestiynau, sydd ynglŷn â chyflwyniadau hunan-niwed mewn lleoliadau gofal iechyd, ac mae Rhun ap Iorwerth yn mynd i ofyn y rhain.
English: Just following on from what you said in your paper, you believe that implementing the NICE guidance in Wales is something that hasn't been studied enough. Can you tell us more about that?
Welsh: Jest yn dilyn o'r hyn yr ydych chi wedi'i ddweud yn eich papur, rydych chi'n credu bod gweithredu canllawiau NICE yng Nghymru yn rhywbeth sydd ddim wedi cael ei astudio ddigon. Eglurwch mwy wrthym ni am hynny.
English: Content, Dawn? Fine. The final section is issues in relation to the internet and social media, and Julie Morgan has a question.
Welsh: Hapus, Dawn? Dyna ni. Yr adran olaf yw materion yn ymwneud â'r rhyngrwyd a chyfryngau cymdeithasol, ac mae gan Julie Morgan gwestiwn.
English: That's it. I think we've come to the end of our questions. Thank you very much for your excellent answers, and also for your presence this morning and the written evidence we received beforehand. Further to that, you will receive a transcript of this meeting to check for factual accuracy, and that we have recorded it in full detail. With that, thank you very much. Fellow Members, I'd like you to know that we'll take a break now, and the first thing that will take place during that break is that we will present our report on antipsychotic medication. So, there is a strong commitment from all committee Members to go immediately next door, and nowhere else. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Dyna ni. Mae'r cwestiynau wedi dod i ben. Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am ateb y cwestiynau mor raenus, ac hefyd am eich presenoldeb y bore yma, ac am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw. Ymhellach, byddwch chi hefyd yn derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r cyfarfod yma i allu gwirio bod beth ddywedoch chi yn ffeithiol gywir, a'n bod ni wedi cofnodi'r peth yn fanwl gywir. Felly, gyda hynny, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. Ac i'm cyd-Aelodau, byddwn yn torri nawr am egwyl, a'r peth cyntaf fydd yn digwydd yn yr egwyl yna yw y byddwn yn cyflwyno ein hadroddiad ni ar gyffuriau gwrthseicotig. Felly, mae yna ymrwymiad cadarn i bob Aelod o'r pwyllgor yma fynd yn syth drws nesaf heb fynd i unrhyw le arall yn y cyfamser. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Welcome back to this latest session of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee here at the National Assembly for Wales. We've now reached item 6 on the agenda and the continuation of the inquiry into suicide prevention. This evidence session is with the Royal College of General Practitioners here in Wales. So, it's a great pleasure to welcome old friends and colleagues, Dr Rebecca Payne and also Dr Jane Fenton-May, both from the Royal College of General Practitioners. We have read evidence beforehand. So, with your permission, as is customary, we'll go straight to questions, and the first question comes from Jayne Bryant.
Welsh: Croeso nôl i'r sesiwn ddiweddaraf o'r Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon yma yng Nghynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru. Erbyn nawr, rydym ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 6 ar yr agenda a pharhad o'n hymchwiliad i atal hunanladdiad. Mae'r sesiwn dystiolaeth yma gyda choleg brenhinol y meddygon teulu yma yng Nghymru. Felly, mae'n bleser gennyf groesawu hen ffrindiau, Dr Rebecca Payne a Dr Jane Fenton-May, ill dwy o goleg brenhinol y meddygon teulu. Rydym ni wedi darllen pob math o dystiolaeth ymlaen llaw. Wedyn, gyda'ch caniatâd, fel sy'n arferol, fe awn ni'n syth i fewn i gwestiynau, ac mae'r cwestiynau cyntaf gan Jayne Bryant.
English: Okay, that brings us to the end of our questions, so thank you very much. Thank you for the written evidence beforehand as well and thank you for your attendance this afternoon and for answering these questions in such an excellent manner. As you know, you'll receive a transcript of these discussions to confirm their factual accuracy. With those few words, I will thank you once again. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Ocê, dyna ddiwedd y cwestiynau, felly, diolch yn fawr iawn. Diolch am y dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig ymlaen llaw hefyd a diolch am eich presenoldeb y prynhawn yma ac am ateb y cwestiynau mewn modd mor arbennig. Fel rŷch chi'n gwybod nawr, byddwch chi'n derbyn trawsgrifiad o'r trafodaethau yma i gadarnhau bod pethau yn ffeithiol gywir. Gyda hynny, gwnaf i ddiolch i chi unwaith eto. Diolch yn fawr.
English: We'll move on now to item 8, papers to note. You will all have read the letter from the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee regarding that committee's report. Somebody called Lynne Neagle has written to us with regard to their inquiry into the emotional and mental health of children and young people in Wales. Everyone will, of course, have read every word of that in detail.
Welsh: Symud ymlaen ac eitem 8, papurau i'w nodi. Byddwch chi i gyd wedi darllen y llythyr oddi wrth Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg ynghylch adroddiad y pwyllgor hwnnw. Mae rhywun o'r enw Lynne Neagle wedi ysgrifennu atom ni ynglŷn â'u hymchwiliad i iechyd emosiynol ac iechyd meddwl plant a phobl ifanc yng Nghymru. Mae pob un wedi'i ddarllen, yn naturiol, ac yn drylwyr - pob gair.
English: Moving on to item 9 and a motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting. All agreed? Everyone is agreed.
Welsh: Symudwn ymlaen i eitem 9 a chynnig o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.42 i benderfynu gwahardd y cyhoedd o weddill y cyfarfod. Pawb yn cytuno? Pawb yn cytuno.
English: The first item on our agenda this afternoon is questions to the First Minister, and the first question is from Leanne Wood.
Welsh: Yr eitem gyntaf ar ein hagenda ni y prynhawn yma yw'r cwestiynau i'r Prif Weinidog, a'r cwestiwn cyntaf, Leanne Wood.
English: We were accredited as a living wage employer in 2015. The Welsh NHS has paid the living wage since January 2015, and strong progress is being made across other employers both in the public and private sectors.
Welsh: Cawsom ein hachredu fel cyflogwr cyflog byw yn 2015. Mae GIG Cymru wedi talu'r cyflog byw ers mis Ionawr 2015, ac mae cynnydd cryf yn cael ei wneud ar draws cyflogwyr eraill yn y sector cyhoeddus ac yn y sector preifat.
English: That sounds great, First Minister, but workers at Cardiff Airport would appreciate deeds rather than warm words. You bought this airport in 2013, yet we still have workers, some of whom live in the Rhondda, who are being paid less than this living wage. An agreement with the General Municipal Boilermakers will see the airport, and I quote, 'working towards being in a position to implement the Foundation Living Wage by the end of 2020.' If that does happen, then it will have been a full seven years on what has been called 'publicly funded poverty pay.' Many of these employees are security staff, performing vital functions that keep airport security in place and keep passengers safe. What pressure can you now exert to ensure that this asset becomes a living wage foundation accredited employer by the next Living Wage Week in November?
Welsh: Mae hynny'n swnio'n wych, Prif Weinidog, ond byddai gweithwyr ym Maes Awyr Caerdydd yn gwerthfawrogi gweithredoedd yn hytrach na geiriau gwresog. Prynwyd y maes awyr hwn gennych chi yn 2013, ac eto mae gennym ni weithwyr o hyd, rhai ohonynt yn byw yn y Rhondda, sy'n cael eu talu llai na'r cyflog byw hwn. Bydd cytundeb gyda'r Gwneuthurwyr Bwyleri Bwrdeistrefol Cyffredinol yn golygu y bydd y maes awyr, a dyfynnaf, yn gweithio tuag at fod mewn sefyllfa i gyflwyno'r Cyflog Byw Sylfaenol erbyn diwedd 2020. Os bydd hynny yn digwydd, yna bydd hynny wedi bod yn saith mlynedd lawn ar yr hyn a alwyd yn gyflog tlodi wedi ei ariannu gan y cyhoedd. Mae llawer o'r gweithwyr hyn yn staff diogelwch, sy'n cyflawni swyddogaethau hanfodol gan gadw mesurau diogelu'r maes awyr ar waith a chadw teithwyr yn ddiogel. Pa bwysau allwch chi ei roi nawr i sicrhau bod yr ased hwn yn dod yn gyflogwr cyflog byw sylfaenol achrededig erbyn yr Wythnos Cyflog Byw nesaf ym mis Tachwedd?
English: The airport has made a firm commitment to working towards achievement of the real living wage. A proposal has now been submitted to both recognised unions - the GMB and Unite - that the real living wage will be paid as a minimum to all directly employed airport staff by April 2020. Now, the unions will be taking this proposal to ballot and we understand the unions will be making a positive recommendation to members. That uplift is proposed to take place in two increments - the first in April 2019 and the second in April 2020 - and that builds on the progress already made at the airport, which includes the eradication of zero-hours contracts and the introduction of enhanced rates of pay for both overtime and bank holiday working.
Welsh: Mae'r maes awyr wedi gwneud ymrwymiad pendant i weithio tuag at sicrhau'r cyflog byw gwirioneddol. Cyflwynwyd cynnig i'r ddau undeb cydnabyddedig - y GMB ac Unite - erbyn hyn, y bydd y cyflog byw gwirioneddol yn cael ei dalu fel isafswm i holl staff y maes awyr a gyflogir yn uniongyrchol erbyn mis Ebrill 2020. Nawr, bydd yr undebau yn cynnal pleidlais ar y cynnig hwn ac rydym yn deall y bydd yr undebau yn gwneud argymhelliad cadarnhaol i aelodau. Bwriedir i'r codiad hwnnw gael ei wneud mewn dwy gynyddran - y gyntaf ym mis Ebrill 2019 a'r ail ym mis Ebrill 2020 - ac mae hynny'n adeiladu ar y cynnydd a wnaed eisoes yn y maes awyr, sy'n cynnwys cael gwared ar gontractau dim oriau a chyflwyno gwell cyfraddau cyflog am oramser a gweithio ar wyliau banc.
English: As a member of the real living wage leadership group, I was pleased to hear from the accreditation body Cynnal Cymru that 143 employers have been accredited in Wales, including private as well as public and third sector employers. Would you agree, First Minister, that we need to embed commitment and progress towards the real living wage in the economic action plan and, indeed, the gender review, as it's clear this will help address low pay and inequality in the workplace in Wales?
Welsh: Fel aelod o'r grŵp arweinyddiaeth cyflog byw gwirioneddol, roeddwn i'n falch o glywed gan y corff achredu Cynnal Cymru bod 143 o gyflogwyr wedi cael eu hachredu yng Nghymru, gan gynnwys cyflogwyr preifat yn ogystal â chyflogwyr sector cyhoeddus a'r trydydd sector. A ydych chi'n cytuno, Prif Weinidog, bod angen i ni ymsefydlu ymrwymiad a chynnydd tuag at y cyflog byw gwirioneddol yn y cynllun gweithredu economaidd ac, yn wir, yr adolygiad rhywedd, gan ei bod hi'n eglur y bydd hyn yn helpu i fynd i'r afael â chyflogau isel ac anghydraddoldeb yn y gweithle yng Nghymru?
English: Well, we are firmly committed to addressing low pay and inequality in the workplace in Wales. You're right, of course, to say that low pay impacts disproportionately on women, and our gender review will pick this up. In terms of the economic action plan, it will introduce a new economic contract that will require firms seeking Welsh Government business support to commit to investing in their workforce through high-quality employment, skills development and fair work.
Welsh: Wel, rydym ni wedi ymrwymo'n gadarn i fynd i'r afael â chyflogau isel ac anghydraddoldeb yn y gweithle yng Nghymru. Rydych chi'n iawn, wrth gwrs, i ddweud bod cyflogau isel yn effeithio'n anghymesur ar fenywod, a bydd ein hadolygiad rhywedd yn rhoi sylw i hyn. O ran y cynllun gweithredu economaidd, bydd yn cyflwyno contract economaidd newydd a fydd yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i gwmnïau sy'n ceisio cymorth busnes gan Lywodraeth Cymru ymrwymo i fuddsoddi yn eu gweithlu trwy gyflogaeth o ansawdd uchel, datblygu sgiliau a gwaith teg.
English: First Minister, 20 years ago, Welsh and Scottish workers had identical pay packets of about £301 per week. Twenty years later, the Welsh pay packet contains £498 a week, whereas the Scottish pay packet contains £49 more at £547. Despite the important contribution of the living wage and the benefits system, I'm sure you'd agree that we do need to ensure fairness, particularly for those on lower incomes. What's your Government doing to close this gap and ensure that there are higher paid, better quality jobs for people living in Wales, and what discussions have you had with the UK Government with regard to the Taylor review on modern working practices?
Welsh: Prif Weinidog, 20 mlynedd yn ôl roedd gan weithwyr yng Nghymru a'r Alban yr un pecynnau cyflog o oddeutu £301 yr wythnos. Ugain mlynedd yn ddiweddarach, mae pecyn cyflog Cymru yn cynnwys £498 yr wythnos, tra bod pecyn cyflog yr Alban yn cynnwys £49 yn fwy, sef £547. Er gwaethaf cyfraniad pwysig y cyflog byw a'r system budd-daliadau, rwy'n siŵr y byddech chi'n cytuno bod angen i ni sicrhau tegwch, yn enwedig i'r rhai hynny ar incwm is. Beth mae eich Llywodraeth yn ei wneud i gau'r bwlch hwn ac i sicrhau bod swyddi â chyflogau uwch, ac o ansawdd gwell i bobl sy'n byw yng Nghymru, a pha drafodaethau ydych chi wedi eu cael gyda Llywodraeth y DU o ran adolygiad Taylor ar arferion gweithio modern?
English: [ Inaudible.] - the UK Government is the mess they're making of the benefit system, particularly with regard to universal credit, which will affect disproportionately and very negatively so many people in Wales. We've seen the removal of in-work tax credits as well. That hasn't helped people in terms of their incomes. We've seen, for example, the refusal of the UK Government to fund Wales properly, and, indeed, the UK Government have given Northern Ireland £1 billion, whereas Wales has had absolutely nothing. There's a great deal of work I think the Member can do with his own party in terms of making sure that Wales gets fairness, because we don't get it from the Tories.
Welsh: [ Anghlywadwy.] - Llywodraeth y DU yw'r llanastr y maen nhw'n ei wneud o'r system budd-daliadau, yn enwedig o ran y credyd cynhwysol, a fydd yn effeithio yn anghymesur ac yn negyddol iawn ar gynifer o bobl yng Nghymru. Rydym ni wedi gweld credydau treth mewn gwaith yn cael eu diddymu hefyd. Nid yw hynny wedi helpu pobl o ran eu hincwm. Rydym ni wedi gweld, er enghraifft, Llywodraeth y DU yn gwrthod ariannu Cymru yn briodol, ac, yn wir, mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi rhoi £1 biliwn i Ogledd Iwerddon, tra bod Cymru wedi cael dim byd o gwbl. Mae llawer iawn o waith yr wyf i'n credu y gall yr Aelod ei wneud gyda'i blaid ei hun o ran gwneud yn siŵr bod Cymru yn cael tegwch, oherwydd nid ydym ni'n ei gael gan y Torïaid.
English: First Minister, one of the fundamentals of economics is the law of supply and demand. If supply exceeds demand, the price of a commodity falls. This applies as much to the supply of labour as any other commodity. Would the First Minister not agree with me that it is the over-supply of cheap labour, especially in the semi-skilled and unskilled marketplace, caused by uncontrolled mass immigration, which has allowed big business to exploit workers with low wages?
Welsh: Prif Weinidog, un o hanfodion economeg yw'r ddeddf cyflenwad a galw. Os bydd y cyflenwad yn fwy na'r galw, bydd pris nwydd yn gostwng. Mae hyn yr un mor berthnasol i'r cyflenwad o lafur ag unrhyw nwydd arall. A yw'r Prif Weinidog yn cytuno â mi mai gorgyflenwad llafur rhad, yn enwedig yn y farchnad lled-grefftus a di-grefft, wedi ei achosi gan fewnfudo heb reolaeth ar raddfa fawr, sydd wedi caniatáu i fusnesau mawr gamfanteisio ar weithwyr gyda chyflogau isel?
English: There are many, many sectors of the Welsh economy that depend very much on labour from outside the UK. If we look at the food and drink sector, there are many firms who'd simply not be able to survive, because there are other options available for local workers that are seen as more attractive. Our abattoirs, for example, would struggle hugely if they weren't able to recruit from other countries. So, no, I don't agree that it's a question of over-supply. If you look at unemployment in Wales, it's historically very, very low - 4.5 per cent. That's, effectively, full employment in terms of economics, which is why, of course, there's a need to be able to recruit skilled workers, and workers who are semi-skilled, from other countries. Where would our NHS be, for example, without the doctors who we recruit from outside Wales? I prefer to have a situation where people have the treatment they need, rather than obsessing with where they're from.
Welsh: Mae llawer iawn o sectorau yn economi Cymru sy'n dibynnu'n fawr iawn ar lafur o'r tu allan i'r DU. Os edrychwn ni ar y sector bwyd a diod, ceir llawer o gwmnïau na fydden nhw'n gallu goroesi, gan fod dewisiadau eraill ar gael i weithwyr lleol sy'n cael eu hystyried yn rhai mwy deniadol. Byddai ein lladd-dai, er enghraifft, yn cael trafferthion mawr pe na fyddent yn gallu recriwtio o wledydd eraill. Felly, nac ydw, nid wyf i'n cytuno ei fod yn gwestiwn o or-gyflenwi. Os edrychwch chi ar ddiweithdra yng Nghymru, mae'n isel dros ben yn hanesyddol - 4.5 y cant. Mae hynny, i bob pwrpas, yn gyflogaeth lawn o ran economeg, a dyna pam, wrth gwrs, mae angen gallu recriwtio gweithwyr medrus, a gweithwyr sy'n lled-fedrus, o wledydd eraill. Ble fyddai ein GIG, er enghraifft, heb y meddygon yr ydym ni'n eu recriwtio o'r tu allan i Gymru? Mae'n well gen i fod mewn sefyllfa lle mae pobl yn cael y driniaeth sydd ei hangen arnynt, yn hytrach nag obsesu ynghylch o ble maen nhw'n dod.