English: Diolch. I'm very pleased to hear from Angela again. I remember her being very persuasive in the Chamber before on this and I know the particular case she's had and the extraordinary work she's done as an AM to support that family. I was also quite struck by a recent tv documentary in the same area. Just looking at that facility, it was so much more prison-like than I had imagined. She says we should have a medium-secure unit in Wales - yes we should. I hope it will be better than what we've seen, at least of some of those units in England. But I don't think it will necessarily mean that it would treat every patient in Wales where we need this mental health in-patient treatment. I think there is a danger in going from specific concerns about cases we're aware of to general but highly prescriptive requirements that we see in this motion. I just have some concern about saying, too, that no patient should be a long distance from their family. There may be some mental health conditions that are so specialised that there can only be one or two places in the UK where you can give treatment at sufficient scale with sufficient specialists to do it. It may be, in some cases, the right thing for a particular patient in Wales to attend there. I also think there's a potential contradiction between no patient being a large distance from their family and then repatriating all Welsh patients - not clear how defined - who are currently in units in England. Perhaps some of those may have family or support in England, and we have many people who live near the border, and have mobility to move from England to Wales. And there may be special cases for individual patients, and we have to consider those, too. I think 3 (c) is too strong in terms of a ban on Welsh units using ones in England that have had a poor inspection. Perhaps they're dealing with that poor inspection, or perhaps that poor inspection was particular to one aspect of that facility. In 3 (c), the Plaid motion puts a lot of emphasis on the Care Quality Commission in England, yet then in (d) says that we should ignore that entirely and they must abide by Welsh inspection requirements. I think that's unrealistic in another context. We can't really have extra-territorial regulation. [ Interruption.] Yes, I will.
Welsh: Diolch. Rwy'n falch iawn o glywed gan Angela eto. Cofiaf iddi gyflwyno dadl argyhoeddiadol iawn yn y Siambr o'r blaen ar hyn a gwn am yr achos penodol a gafodd a'r gwaith anhygoel y mae wedi'i wneud fel AC i gefnogi'r teulu hwnnw. Fe'm trawyd hefyd gan raglen ddogfen ar y teledu yn ddiweddar yn yr un maes. Wrth edrych ar y cyfleuster hwnnw, roedd yn llawer tebycach i garchar nag y dychmygais. Mae hi'n dweud y dylai fod gennym uned diogelwch canolig yng Nghymru - dylem yn wir. Gobeithio y bydd yn well na'r hyn a welsom, o leiaf rai o'r unedau hynny yn Lloegr. Ond nid wyf yn meddwl y bydd o reidrwydd yn golygu y byddai'n trin pob claf yng Nghymru lle mae angen y driniaeth iechyd meddwl hon ar gyfer cleifion mewnol. Rwy'n credu bod perygl mewn symud o bryderon penodol am achosion rydym yn ymwybodol ohonynt i'r gofynion cyffredinol ond rhagnodol iawn a welwn yn y cynnig hwn. Rwy'n poeni braidd ynglŷn â dweud hefyd na ddylai'r un claf fod yn bell oddi wrth ei deulu. Efallai fod rhai cyflyrau iechyd meddwl mor arbenigol fel mai dim ond un neu ddau o leoedd sydd ar gael yn y DU lle gallwch roi triniaeth ar raddfa ddigon mawr gyda digon o arbenigwyr i wneud hynny. Mewn rhai achosion, efallai mai dyna'r lle iawn i glaf penodol yng Nghymru fod. Rwyf hefyd o'r farn fod gwrthddweud posibl rhwng dweud na ddylai'r un claf fod yn bell oddi wrth ei deulu a dod â'r holl gleifion o Gymru - nid yw hynny wedi'i ddiffinio'n glir - sydd mewn unedau yn Lloegr ar hyn o bryd yn ôl i Gymru. Efallai fod gan rai o'r rheini deulu neu gefnogaeth yn Lloegr, ac mae gennym lawer o bobl sy'n byw ger y ffin, ac sy'n gallu symud o Loegr i Gymru. A gall fod achosion arbennig i gleifion unigol, a rhaid inni ystyried y rheini hefyd. Rwy'n credu bod 3 (c) yn rhy gryf o ran gwahardd unedau yng Nghymru rhag defnyddio rhai yn Lloegr sydd wedi cael arolwg gwael. Efallai eu bod yn ymdrin â'r arolwg gwael, neu efallai fod yr arolwg gwael yn ymwneud yn benodol ag un agwedd ar y cyfleuster hwnnw. Yn 3 (c), mae cynnig Plaid Cymru yn rhoi llawer o bwyslais ar y Comisiwn Ansawdd Gofal yn Lloegr, ac eto, yn (d) mae'n dweud y dylem anwybyddu hwnnw'n llwyr ac y dylent orfod glynu at ofynion arolygu Cymru. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n afrealistig mewn cyd-destun arall. Ni allwn gael trefn reoleiddio sy'n croesi tiriogaethau. [ Torri ar draws.] Iawn, fe wnaf.