English: Unfortunately, I have only a minute to reply, so I can't - I'll be available afterwards to continue the discussion. But, I'm amazed at the other Members in this house who take a different view from me of the European Union. Their defeatism and their pessimism about the spirit and character of the Welsh people - that, somehow or other, they're incapable of making their way in the world. As for the so-called experts that we're supposed to rely on: are these the same experts who recommended that we joined the euro, the same experts who failed to predict the banking crisis and, in many cases, were responsible for it? Great people, aren't they? I'm sure we're all very happy to have their advice at this time. Fundamentally, what this debate is about - it's between democracy and bureaucracy. The people who are taking the decisions that affect our daily lives: are you going to elect them or not? If they take the wrong decisions, how do you get rid of them? That was the question that Tony Benn always used to ask when he met somebody with power: 'Where did you get it from? How are you going to exercise it and if you make a mistake, how are we going to get rid of you?' How do you get rid of the Commissioners in Brussels if they make a different set of decisions from the ones that they're taking now that you actually happen to like? If you don't like the decisions they're taking then what you do? Then you're stuck. With elected politicians, at least, you can, every so often, vote to get rid of them, and that's what we're going to do tomorrow: put the power back into the hands of the people.
Welsh: Yn anffodus, munud yn unig sydd gennyf i ymateb, felly ni allaf - byddaf ar gael wedyn i barhau â'r drafodaeth. Ond rwy'n rhyfeddu at yr Aelodau eraill yn y tŷ hwn sydd â safbwynt gwahanol i fy un i ar yr Undeb Ewropeaidd. Eu gwangalondid a'u pesimistiaeth ynglŷn ag ysbryd a chymeriad y Cymry - eu bod, rywsut neu'i gilydd, yn analluog i wneud eu ffordd yn y byd. Am yr arbenigwyr honedig rydym i fod i ddibynnu arnynt: ai dyma'r un arbenigwyr a argymhellodd ein bod yn ymuno â'r ewro, yr un arbenigwyr a fethodd ragweld yr argyfwng bancio ac a oedd, mewn llawer o achosion, yn gyfrifol amdano? Pobl wych, onid ydynt? Rwy'n siŵr ein bod i gyd yn hapus iawn i gael eu cyngor ar yr adeg hon. Yn y bôn, yr hyn y mae'r ddadl hon yn ymwneud ag ef yw - mae rhwng democratiaeth a biwrocratiaeth. Y bobl sy'n gwneud y penderfyniadau sy'n effeithio ar ein bywydau bob dydd: a ydych yn mynd i'w hethol ai peidio? Os ydynt yn gwneud y penderfyniadau anghywir, sut rydych chi'n cael gwared arnynt? Dyna oedd y cwestiwn roedd Tony Benn bob amser yn arfer ei ofyn pan fyddai'n cyfarfod â rhywun â phŵer: 'O ble y cawsoch y pŵer? Sut rydych chi'n mynd i'w ddefnyddio ac os gwnewch gamgymeriad, sut rydym yn mynd i gael gwared arnoch?' Sut rydych chi'n cael gwared ar y Comisiynwyr ym Mrwsel os ydynt yn gwneud set wahanol o benderfyniadau i'r rhai y maent yn eu gwneud yn awr, penderfyniadau rydych yn digwydd bod yn eu hoffi, mewn gwirionedd? Os nad ydych yn hoffi'r penderfyniadau a wnant, beth wnewch chi wedyn? Wedyn rydych chi'n gaeth. Gyda gwleidyddion etholedig, bob hyn a hyn o leiaf, gallwch bleidleisio i gael gwared arnynt, a dyna beth rydym yn mynd i'w wneud yfory: rhoi'r pŵer yn ôl yn nwylo'r bobl.