English: We also need to remember that, for example, Social Care Wales recommended the Welsh Government revisit their decision, explaining that the power of access fills the gaps of provider capture and situational capture, i.e., it's tilted in favour of the provider. And this is what is encountered during inspection powers. The older people's commissioner said that this function could be flexible, responsive, and act as an early warning system where concerns may be identified before an inspection by Healthcare Inspectorate Wales. Leonard Cheshire highlighted the importance of a power due to its proactive nature and allowing standards to be measured before the duty of candour is triggered. Gelligaer Community Council, who were very helpful in their responses, and they spoke for a lot of community councils, strongly felt the new body should have the right of access to health and social care establishments. And they cited the Aneurin Bevan CHC as having a very good record of responding rapidly to reports, and through their relationship with the health board, through their positive relationship with health board, affecting changes. And I do find it disappointing, Minister, that you seek to deny such an important role its full weight. You claimed, in you responses to committee, that inspectorate bodies already undertake this function against regulatory standards. But despite all of the evidence, that actually contradicts that assertion. It was also very disappointing at Stage 2 that you believed that both of the opposition amendments were drafted in such a way they could be interpreted as inspection functions because that is most certainly not what we were trying to do. And I did listen to you when we met to discuss this prior to Stage 3, and I did listen very clearly to your concerns about the human rights considerations, and that's why I've submitted a redrafted amendment to try to encapsulate some of those concerns. And I heard you, at Stage 2, saying that you'd had constructive conversations with the CHCs about this right of entry, but they're adamant that it should be retained on the face of the Bill. The advice I received in connection with the human rights elements highlights that any provision of a Bill must not contravene the ECHR to fall within legislative competence. In this instance, article 8 on the right to a private life. I've further been informed that the fact that a code of practice will set out qualifications that should ensure that article 8 is not breached is not enough to ensure a provision does not infringe article 8 and therefore be within competence. So, as such, the more qualifications given to the right of access on the face of the Bill, the less likely article 8 will be infringed. My amendment, therefore, I believe, achieves this requirement. And I'd like to remind you that we are particularly mindful that, in evidence, the board CHCs reassured us that the powers wouldn't extend to health and social care services that were not directly provided from settings that are owned, managed or leased by health and care bodies. Furthermore, the board's legal advice notes that the human rights Act's considerations would not be triggered in these instances as they are seeking a right of access to communal areas, not private rooms. Therefore, the amendment, as drafted, seeks to take into account that the Bill must not contravene the European convention on human rights. So, we've ensured that that article 8 on the right to private life is not breached. So, in other words, if you want to go in and do an inspection on a care home because either it's part of your routine or because you've heard that somebody's got some concerns, you can request to go in, you can go in, you can go to the private areas, but if a resident or two residents at that care home also say to you, 'Please come into my private room, I want to talk about this, I'm raising concerns', then they would go in by invitation. So, it isn't about marching into a private room, a private home; it's about going in with invitation but going into the communal areas. And we believe that this amendment would absolutely encapsulate that and preserve it. And I would be grateful if you'd consider your position on the right of access and support this amendment, because this goes to the heart of the citizen voice body, the fact that they have that right to go out and to look at situations that are developing on behalf of the citizen.
Welsh: Mae angen i ni gofio hefyd, er enghraifft, fod Gofal Cymdeithasol Cymru wedi argymell y dylai Llywodraeth Cymru ailedrych ar ei phenderfyniad, gan esbonio bod y pŵer mynediad yn llenwi'r bylchau yn y broses o gofnodi darparwr a chofnodi sefyllfa, h.y. ei fod o blaid y darparwr. A dyma'r hyn a geir yn ystod pwerau arolygu. Dywedodd y comisiynydd pobl hŷn y gallai'r swyddogaeth hon fod yn hyblyg, yn ymatebol a gweithredu fel system rhybudd cynnar lle gall pryderon gael eu nodi cyn arolygiad gan Arolygiaeth Gofal Iechyd Cymru. Tynnodd Leonard Cheshire sylw at bwysigrwydd pŵer oherwydd ei natur ragweithiol a chaniatáu i safonau gael eu mesur cyn i ddyletswydd didwylledd gael ei sbarduno. Roedd Cyngor Cymuned Gelligaer, a oedd o gymorth mawr yn eu hymatebion, ac a oedd yn siarad ar ran llawer o gynghorau cymuned, yn teimlo'n gryf y dylai fod gan y corff newydd yr hawl i fynediad at sefydliadau iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol. Ac fe wnaethon nhw nodi bod gan gyngor iechyd cymuned Aneurin Bevan hanes da iawn o ymateb yn gyflym i adroddiadau, a thrwy eu perthynas â'r bwrdd iechyd, trwy eu perthynas gadarnhaol â'r bwrdd iechyd, eu bod yn sicrhau newidiadau. Ac mae yn destun siom i mi, Gweinidog, eich bod yn ceisio gwadu swyddogaeth mor bwysig ei phwys llawn. Yn eich ymatebion i'r pwyllgor, fe wnaethoch chi honni bod cyrff arolygiaeth eisoes yn cyflawni'r swyddogaeth hon ar sail safonau rheoleiddio. Ond er gwaethaf yr holl dystiolaeth, mae hynny mewn gwirionedd yn gwrthddweud yr honiad hwnnw. Roedd hefyd yn destun siom mawr yng Nghyfnod 2 eich bod yn credu bod dau welliant yr wrthblaid wedi eu drafftio mewn ffordd y byddai modd eu dehongli fel swyddogaethau arolygu oherwydd yn sicr nid dyna'r hyn yr oeddem ni yn ceisio ei wneud. Ac fe wnes i wrando arnoch chi pan wnaethom ni gyfarfod i drafod hyn cyn Cyfnod 3, ac fe wnes i wrando'n glir iawn ar eich pryderon ynghylch yr ystyriaethau hawliau dynol, a dyna pam yr wyf wedi cyflwyno gwelliant wedi ei ailddrafftio i geisio rhoi sylw i rai o'r pryderon hynny. Ac fe wnes i'ch clywed, yng Nghyfnod 2, yn dweud eich bod wedi cael sgyrsiau adeiladol â'r cynghorau iechyd cymuned ynghylch yr hawl mynediad hwn, ond maen nhw'n benderfynol y dylid ei gadw ar wyneb y Bil. Mae'r cyngor a gefais i mewn cysylltiad â'r elfennau hawliau dynol yn tynnu sylw at y ffaith bod yn rhaid i unrhyw ddarpariaeth mewn Bil beidio â mynd yn groes i Siarter Hawliau Dynol Ewrop er mwyn bod o fewn cymhwysedd deddfwriaethol. Yn yr achos hwn, erthygl 8 ar yr hawl i fywyd preifat. Rwyf i wedi cael gwybod hefyd nad yw'r ffaith y bydd cod ymarfer yn pennu amodau a ddylai sicrhau nad yw erthygl 8 yn cael ei dorri yn ddigon i sicrhau nad yw darpariaeth yn torri Erthygl 8 ac felly o fewn cymhwysedd. Felly, yn hyn o beth, po fwyaf o amodau a roddir ar yr hawl mynediad ar wyneb y Bil, y lleiaf tebygol yw hi y bydd erthygl 8 yn cael ei thorri. Mae fy ngwelliant i, felly, yn fy marn i, yn cyflawni'r gofyniad hwn. A hoffwn eich atgoffa ein bod yn arbennig o ymwybodol bod bwrdd y cynghorau iechyd cymuned, yn ei dystiolaeth, wedi ein sicrhau na fyddai'r pwerau yn ymestyn i wasanaethau iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol nad oedden nhw'n cael eu darparu yn uniongyrchol o leoliadau sy'n eiddo i gyrff iechyd a gofal, ac yn cael eu rheoli neu eu prydlesu ganddynt. Ar ben hynny, mae cyngor cyfreithiol y bwrdd yn nodi na fyddai ystyriaethau'r Ddeddf hawliau dynol yn cael eu hysgogi yn yr achosion hyn gan eu bod yn ceisio hawl mynediad i ardaloedd cyffredin, nid ystafelloedd preifat. Felly, mae'r gwelliant, fel y'i drafftiwyd, yn ceisio ystyried y ffaith na ddylai'r Bil fynd yn groes i'r Confensiwn Ewropeaidd ar hawliau dynol. Felly, rydym ni wedi sicrhau nad yw erthygl 8 ar yr hawl i fywyd preifat yn cael ei thorri. Felly, mewn geiriau eraill, os ydych yn dymuno mynd i mewn a chynnal arolygiad ar gartref gofal naill ai oherwydd ei bod yn rhan o'ch trefn arferol neu oherwydd eich bod wedi clywed bod gan rywun bryderon, gallwch ofyn am gael mynd i mewn, gallwch fynd i mewn, gallwch fynd i'r ardaloedd preifat, ond os bydd preswylydd neu ddau breswylydd yn y cartref gofal hwnnw hefyd yn dweud wrthych, 'Dewch i mewn i fy ystafell breifat, rwyf i eisiau siarad am hyn, rwy'n codi pryderon', yna bydden nhw'n mynd i mewn drwy wahoddiad. Felly, nid yw'n ymwneud â brasgamu i ystafell breifat, cartref preifat; mae'n ymwneud â mynd i mewn gyda gwahoddiad ond mynd i mewn i'r mannau cymunedol. Ac rydym ni'n credu y byddai'r gwelliant hwn yn rhoi sylw i hynny yn llwyr ac yn ei gadw. A byddwn i'n ddiolchgar pe baech yn ystyried eich safbwynt ynghylch yr hawl i fynediad ac yn cefnogi'r gwelliant hwn, oherwydd bod hyn yn mynd at wraidd corff llais y dinesydd, y ffaith bod ganddyn nhw'r hawl i fynd allan ac edrych ar sefyllfaoedd sy'n datblygu ar ran y dinesydd.