English: Well, I was going to come on to some concerns I have with governance, and I do agree that greater transparency is required in governance and greater participation by staff and by students. They should never ever be blocked out from taking part in meetings of whichever governing body it is, because I remember being a trade union member on a governing body and I wasn't allowed in certain meetings because it was felt it was inappropriate. Now, that's got to stop; the governance has to be open, has to be transparent, and those voices must be heard clearer and louder. So, I totally agree with that aspect. We all remember, on financial aspects, universities get their money from various sources. The Brexit Party Member talked about HEFCW. HEFCW's no longer the main funder. Many years ago, it stopped being the main funder. It used to be. All the teaching moneys used to come from HEFW, but it doesn't any more; it comes through student fees. So it's been changed; it's student fees, R&D grants and projects, commercial activities - let's not forget the commercial activities they undertake - and a smaller proportion now of public funding through the funds from HEFCW. Much, much smaller than they used to be. They do depend upon student numbers. Student universities actually do depend upon that, home and abroad, and it is very deeply concerning that we are seeing the overseas students declining, particularly from the EU, because that has always been a supporter. Because even though they paid home fees - [ Interruption.] Hang on a minute. Even though they paid home fees from the EU, they were numbers, they were coming in and they were adding to the experience of the individual students in their programmes.
Welsh: Wel, roeddwn yn mynd i ddod at rai o'r pryderon sydd gennyf ynghylch llywodraethu, ac rwy'n cytuno bod angen mwy o dryloywder yn y trefniadau llywodraethu a mwy o gyfranogiad gan staff a myfyrwyr. Ac ni ddylid byth eu rhwystro rhag cymryd rhan yng nghyfarfodydd pa gorff llywodraethu bynnag ydyw, gan fy mod yn cofio bod yn aelod o undeb llafur ar gorff llywodraethu ac ni chawn fynd i rai cyfarfodydd gan y teimlid nad oedd hynny'n briodol. Nawr, mae'n rhaid rhoi'r gorau i hynny; rhaid i'r trefniadau llywodraethu fod yn agored, rhaid iddynt fod yn dryloyw, a rhaid i'r lleisiau hynny gael eu clywed yn gliriach ac yn uwch. Felly, rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr â'r agwedd honno. Rydym i gyd yn cofio, o ran yr agweddau ariannol, fod prifysgolion yn cael eu harian o wahanol ffynonellau. Siaradodd yr Aelod o Blaid Brexit am CCAUC. Nid CCAUC yw'r prif gyllidwr mwyach. Flynyddoedd lawer yn ôl, fe stopiodd fod yn brif gyllidwr. Dyna fel oedd hi'n arfer bod. Roedd yr holl arian addysgu'n arfer dod gan CCAUC, ond nid yw'n gwneud hynny mwyach; daw drwy ffioedd myfyrwyr. Felly mae wedi cael ei newid; ffioedd myfyrwyr, grantiau a phrosiectau ymchwil a datblygu, gweithgareddau masnachol - na foed inni anghofio'r gweithgareddau masnachol y maent yn eu cyflawni - dyna ydyw bellach, a daw cyfran lai o arian cyhoeddus drwy gronfeydd CCAUC bellach. Maent yn llawer iawn llai nag yr arferent fod. Maent yn dibynnu ar niferoedd myfyrwyr. Mae prifysgolion yn dibynnu ar hynny mewn gwirionedd, gartref a thramor, ac mae'n destun pryder mawr ein bod yn gweld niferoedd myfyrwyr tramor yn gostwng, yn enwedig o'r UE, gan fod hynny bob amser wedi bod yn gymorth. Oherwydd er eu bod yn talu ffioedd cartref - [ Torri ar draws. ] Am funud bach. Er eu bod yn talu ffioedd cartref o'r UE, roeddent yn niferoedd, roeddent yn dod i mewn ac roeddent yn ychwanegu at brofiad y myfyrwyr unigol yn eu rhaglenni.