English: The Member for Aberconwy says she's speaking on behalf of local government employees and workers. I don't know which trade union you're a member of. [ Interruption.] I'm a member of Unison, which isn't just the biggest union in Wales but also the biggest union in the public sector in Wales. Let me tell you, when I talk to colleagues in Unison - [ Interruption.] When I talk to colleagues in Unison, what they don't do - what they don't do - is say to me, 'Do you know, Alun? What you should be doing is following the same approach as is taken by the Conservatives in England.' Do you know what else I hear - [ Interruption.] What else I hear - [ Interruption.] And what else I hear from Conservative council leaders across Wales is that they don't want us to follow Conservative policies either. The only people who want us to follow Conservative policies are the people sitting behind me. Their council leaders don't want to see the same cuts in Wales as we're seeing across the border in England. They don't want to see Conservative policies implemented here. The only people who do are the Conservative group. It's time that the Conservatives were honest, were absolutely honest, with people about the impact of what austerity is doing to people. I can understand that they don't want us to keep coming back to it. I can understand that they don't want us to talk about austerity, but, if she understood the UK budget, if she read the UK budget, she would know this as well - that spending on most public services will be reducing and not increasing, and, as time goes by, this time next year, there'll be more money spent in supporting local government in Wales than there will be across the whole of England. That's what Conservative policy leads to.
Welsh: Mae'r Aelod dros Aberconwy yn dweud ei bod hi'n siarad ar ran cyflogeion a gweithwyr llywodraeth leol. Nid wyf yn gwybod pa undeb llafur rydych chi'n aelod ohono. [ Torri ar draws.] Rwy'n aelod o Unsain, yr undeb mwyaf yng Nghymru, a'r undeb mwyaf yn y sector cyhoeddus yng Nghymru. Gadewch imi ddweud wrthych, wrth siarad â chydweithwyr yn Unsain - [ T orri ar draws.] Wrth siarad â chydweithwyr yn Unsain, yr hyn nad ydynt yn ei wneud - yr hyn nad ydynt yn ei wneud - yw dweud wrthyf, 'Wyddoch chi beth, Alun? Yr hyn y dylech ei wneud yw dilyn yr un dull o weithredu â'r Ceidwadwyr yn Lloegr.' Wyddoch chi beth arall rwy'n ei glywed - [ T orri ar draws.] Rhywbeth arall rwy'n ei glywed - [ Torri ar draws.] A rhywbeth arall rwy'n ei glywed gan arweinwyr cynghorau Ceidwadol ledled Cymru yw nad ydynt hwy eisiau inni ddilyn polisïau Ceidwadol ychwaith. Yr unig bobl sydd am inni ddilyn polisïau Ceidwadol yw'r bobl sy'n eistedd y tu ôl i mi. Nid yw eu harweinwyr cynghorau am weld yr un toriadau yng Nghymru ag y gwelwn ar draws y ffin yn Lloegr. Nid ydynt am weld polisïau Ceidwadol ar waith yma. Yr unig bobl sydd eisiau hynny yw'r grŵp Ceidwadol. Mae'n bryd i'r Ceidwadwyr fod yn onest, yn gwbl onest, gyda phobl am effaith yr hyn y mae cyni yn ei wneud i bobl. Gallaf ddeall nad ydynt eisiau inni ddychwelyd ato o hyd. Gallaf ddeall nad ydynt am inni sôn am gyni, ond pe bai hi'n deall cyllideb y DU, pe bai'n darllen cyllideb y DU, byddai'n gwybod hyn hefyd - y bydd gwariant ar y rhan fwyaf o wasanaethau cyhoeddus yn lleihau ac nid yn cynyddu, ac wrth i amser fynd heibio, yr adeg hon y flwyddyn nesaf, bydd mwy o arian yn cael ei wario'n cefnogi llywodraeth leol yng Nghymru nag a fydd ar draws Lloegr gyfan. At hynny y mae polisi Ceidwadol yn arwain.