English: Thank you very much for colleagues' contributions to the debate today. Just to reiterate, really, what Llyr Gruffydd was saying there in terms of we are very much debating about how we make CJCs work today, and we're debating about putting in place the appropriate regulation, oversight and governance that you would expect of local government bodies and public bodies in Wales, rather than debating the principle of CJCs. I'm familiar with colleagues' wider concerns about CJCs, both in Plaid Cymru and on the Conservative benches, and those have been explored in quite some detail, most recently in oral questions where I was able to respond to those concerns raised by Sam Rowlands, in particular, about some of the public accountability concerns that he raised and also the democratic accountability concerns. So, I won't reiterate those points today, because they're not relevant to the specific issues that we are debating. But, I will say on the matter of cost, the cost of a CJC will depend significantly on the choices of the constituent council members of the CJC and how they want to operate the CJC and how they'll use the flexibilities within the CJC model. For example, the flexibility for CJCs to employ or second staff and for local authorities to put staff at the disposal of CJCs. Having certain key statutory officers is an integral part of applying local government governance arrangements to CJCs and ensuring that CJCs operate effectively and appropriately. And this approach was very much tested and confirmed in the consultation that has been undertaken in regard to this work. But appointing statutory officers or any staff to support the CJC doesn't mean directly employing them. Of course, how the roles are provided will be a matter for the CJC and they might, for example, share or second staff for these purposes. I appreciate everything that Llyr Gruffydd has said about the pressures on local government; they're well understood and we'll have further discussions on that as we move towards setting our draft budget in terms of the overall settlement for local government for future years, in advance of the publication on 20 December. But, just to reiterate, what we are talking about here today is very much about ensuring that the regulations that are in place ensure the appropriate regulation, oversight and governance of members of our local government family here in Wales. And I would ask Members, on that basis, to support the regulations.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn am gyfraniadau fy nghyd-Aelodau i'r ddadl heddiw. I ailadrodd, mewn gwirionedd, yr hyn yr oedd Llŷr Gruffydd yn ei ddweud yn y fan yna o ran ein bod yn trafod sut yr ydym yn gwneud i CBCau weithio heddiw, ac rydym yn trafod rhoi'r rheoleiddio, yr oruchwyliaeth a'r llywodraethu priodol ar waith y byddech chi yn eu disgwyl gan gyrff llywodraeth leol a chyrff cyhoeddus yng Nghymru, yn hytrach na thrafod egwyddor CBCau. Rwy'n gyfarwydd â phryderon ehangach fy nghyd-Aelodau am CBCau, ym Mhlaid Cymru ac ar feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr, ac mae'r rheini wedi cael eu harchwilio'n eithaf manwl, yn fwyaf diweddar mewn cwestiynau llafar pryd yr oeddwn yn gallu ymateb i'r pryderon hynny a godwyd gan Sam Rowlands, yn arbennig, am rai o'r pryderon ynghylch atebolrwydd cyhoeddus a gododd a hefyd y pryderon ynghylch atebolrwydd democrataidd. Felly, ni wnaf ailadrodd y pwyntiau hynny heddiw, oherwydd nid ydyn nhw'n berthnasol i'r materion penodol yr ydym ni'n eu trafod. Ond, fe ddywedaf i ar fater y gost, bydd cost CBC yn dibynnu'n sylweddol ar ddewisiadau aelodau cyngor cyfansoddol y CBC a sut y maen nhw am weithredu'r CBC a sut y byddan nhw'n defnyddio'r hyblygrwydd o fewn y model CBC. Er enghraifft, yr hyblygrwydd i CBCau gyflogi neu secondio staff ac i awdurdodau lleol drefnu bod staff ar gael i'r CBCau. Mae bod â rhai swyddogion statudol allweddol yn rhan annatod o gymhwyso trefniadau llywodraethu llywodraeth leol i CBCau a sicrhau bod CBCau yn gweithredu'n effeithiol ac yn briodol. A chafodd y dull hwn ei brofi a'i gadarnhau'n sylweddol yn yr ymgynghoriad a gynhaliwyd mewn cysylltiad â'r gwaith hwn. Ond nid yw penodi swyddogion statudol nac unrhyw staff i gefnogi'r CBC yn golygu eu cyflogi'n uniongyrchol. Wrth gwrs, mater i'r CBC fydd sut y darperir y swyddogaethau a gallen nhw, er enghraifft, rannu neu secondio staff at y dibenion hyn. Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi popeth y mae Llyr Gruffydd wedi'i ddweud am y pwysau ar lywodraeth leol; deellir y rhain yn iawn a byddwn yn cael mwy o drafodaethau ar hynny wrth i ni symud tuag at bennu ein cyllideb ddrafft o ran y setliad cyffredinol ar gyfer llywodraeth leol ar gyfer y blynyddoedd i ddod, cyn cyhoeddi ar 20 Rhagfyr. Ond, i ailadrodd, mae'r hyn yr ydym yn sôn amdano yma heddiw yn ymwneud â sicrhau bod y rheoliadau sydd ar waith, sicrhau bod aelodau o'n teulu llywodraeth leol yma yng Nghymru yn cael eu rheoleiddio, eu goruchwylio a'u llywodraethu'n briodol. A byddwn yn gofyn i'r Aelodau, ar y sail honno, gefnogi'r rheoliadau.