English: I thank Vikki for her contribution and also for her mention of Christine Chapman and all the work that she did. I would agree with her that many parents do actually think that you're not legally able to use physical punishment against your child now, because lots of people have said to me, 'Oh, I didn't think we could do that' - they have already thought - . So, there is this mood, a change of mood. I think things are changing in relation to children and what may have been something that did seem very unique or strange that we were proposing some years ago I think is now coming much more into the mainstream. The Welsh Youth Parliament - I haven't had a discussion with them yet, but I hope to do so, and I'm sure that the committee, the Children, Young People and Education Committee, when it does look at this, will be thinking of speaking to the Welsh Youth Parliament, and also Children in Wales - I think they would be a good group to speak to as well. As part of the consultation, Unicef talked to over 1,000 children, and 72 per cent of the children who attended primary schools were in support of our legislation, and 56 per cent of children in secondary schools were in support of the legislation. So, children I think generally are in support of the legislation, and there have been some studies done with children to ask how they felt about physical punishment, and it's been very interesting, I think, to hear what young people do feel about how they feel humiliated and how they feel powerless, and the effect that it has had on them. I think it's very important for us, when we bring in this legislation, that we must remember what young people do actually feel. So, I think during the course of this period of time we will use every opportunity. I know that the officials working on the Bill are planning focus groups with young people during the passage of the Bill so that they can talk about what this means to them, and any help that they can give us. So, I think the issue about that is very important. It is a very simple Bill. It's just one sheet, removing the defence, and I would really prefer to keep it as simple as possible, just to remove the defence. But our intention is to promote public awareness, and, then, reaching groups that may be marginalised is obviously a crucial part of the exercise, and we are planning to make particular efforts to reach different groups of people who have, maybe, issues, who feel marginalised and who don't readily come to meetings. But I think that, as I've said before, we do have a universal service that reaches everybody - the health visitors and the midwives. I've worked a lot with the Gypsy and Traveller community, and I know you have to make a specific effort to reach different communities so that you can explain what you're doing. So, I think you're absolutely right - we will need to make particular efforts. Then, on the timescale, we would hope, if all goes well going through the Assembly, that we would get Royal Assent early next year, and then, as I say, we are thinking of up to two years before we actually finally implement the legislation.
Welsh: Diolch i Vikki am ei chyfraniad ac am iddi sôn am Christine Chapman a'r holl waith a wnaeth hi. Byddwn i'n cytuno â hi mewn gwirionedd bod llawer o rieni yn credu nad ydych chi'n gallu defnyddio cosb gorfforol yn erbyn eich plentyn yn gyfreithiol bellach, oherwydd bod llawer o bobl wedi dweud wrthyf, 'O, doeddwn i ddim yn credu y gallem ni wneud hynny' - maen nhw wedi credu eisoes - . Felly, mae rhyw awyrgylch yn bodoli, mae'r awyrgylch wedi newid. Rwy'n credu bod pethau'n newid o ran plant a bod yr hyn yr oeddem ni'n ei gynnig rai blynyddoedd yn ôl ac a oedd yn ymddangos yn rhyfedd ac unigryw, yn rhan o'r brif ffrwd erbyn hyn. Senedd Ieuenctid Cymru - nid wyf wedi cael trafodaeth â nhw eto, ond gobeithiaf wneud hynny, ac rwy'n siŵr y bydd y pwyllgor, y Pwyllgor Plant, Pobl Ifanc ac Addysg, pan fydd yn edrych ar hyn, yn ystyried siarad â Senedd Ieuenctid Cymru, a hefyd Plant yng Nghymru - rwy'n credu y bydd hwn yn grŵp da i siarad ag ef hefyd. Yn rhan o'r ymgynghoriad, siaradodd Unicef â dros 1,000 o blant, ac roedd 72 y cant o blant ysgolion cynradd o blaid ein deddfwriaeth, ac roedd 56 y cant o blant ysgolion uwchradd o blaid y ddeddfwriaeth. Felly, rwy'n credu'n gyffredinol bod plant yn cefnogi'r ddeddfwriaeth, a chafwyd rhai astudiaethau gyda phlant yn gofyn sut roedden nhw'n teimlo ynghylch cosb gorfforol, a bu'n ddiddorol iawn clywed am yr hyn y mae pobl ifanc yn ei deimlo ynghylch cael eu bychanu a theimlo'n ddi-rym, a'r effaith a gafodd hyn arnyn nhw. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig iawn i ni, wrth gyflwyno'r ddeddfwriaeth hon, i gofio sut mae pobl ifanc mewn gwirionedd yn teimlo. Felly, rwy'n credu yn ystod y cyfnod hwn byddwn yn defnyddio pob cyfle. Rwy'n gwybod bod y swyddogion sy'n gweithio ar y Bil yn cynllunio grwpiau ffocws gyda phobl ifanc yn ystod hynt y Bil fel y gallan nhw siarad am yr hyn y mae'n ei olygu iddyn nhw, ac unrhyw help y gallant ei roi inni. Felly, rwy'n credu bod y mater hwnnw'n bwysig iawn. Mae'n Fil syml iawn. Dim ond un ddalen, yn cael gwared ar yr amddiffyniad, a byddai'n well gennyf mewn gwirionedd ei gadw mor syml â phosib, dim ond dileu'r amddiffyniad. Ond ein bwriad yw hybu ymwybyddiaeth y cyhoedd, ac, wedyn, mae cyrraedd grwpiau a all fod ar y cyrion yn amlwg yn rhan hanfodol o'r gwaith, a bwriadwn wneud ymdrechion arbennig i gyrraedd gwahanol grwpiau o bobl sydd, efallai, â phroblemau ac sy'n teimlo ar y cyrion ac nad ydyn nhw'n dod i gyfarfodydd. Ond rwy'n credu, fel dywedais o'r blaen, bod gennym ni wasanaeth cyffredinol sydd yn cyrraedd pawb - ymwelwyr iechyd a bydwragedd. Rwyf wedi gweithio llawer gyda'r gymuned Sipsiwn a Theithwyr, ac rwy'n gwybod bod yn rhaid gwneud ymdrech benodol i gyrraedd gwahanol gymunedau er mwyn egluro'r hyn yr ydych chi'n ei wneud. Felly, rwy'n credu eich bod yn llygad eich lle - bydd angen i ni wneud ymdrech arbennig. Yna, o ran yr amserlen, byddem yn gobeithio, os aiff popeth yn dda o safbwynt y daith drwy'r Cynulliad, y byddem yn cael Cydsyniad Brenhinol yn gynnar y flwyddyn nesaf, ac yna, fel y dywedaf, rydym ni'n credu y bydd hi hyd at ddwy flynedd cyn y byddwn ni mewn gwirionedd yn gweithredu'r ddeddfwriaeth o'r diwedd.