English: Yes, the point was made by Simon Thomas earlier, and I would agree that the biggest danger is caused by the cars. I think the point I'm making is that the three different things don't really mix at all. Cars, cycles, pedestrians, the difficulty is trying to find a viable way of cyclists and pedestrians becoming more active and using that mode of transport without everything interfering with the other thing. So, this, I do find, is a genuine difficulty as a pedestrian. I know you cycle a lot, Jenny, so I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of a pedestrian. So, I think there is a difficulty. I think the problem is: where is the space for all of these different modes of transport to be viably promoted? A major issue is that there are now too many cars on the road. Our current towns and cities were not designed for this amount of cars, so we do need to reduce the number of cars on the road, which takes us on to one of the Conservatives' ideas, which is about encouraging the use of buses, which, again, Oscar was describing in his contribution. There is a proposal to make transport free for 16 to 24-year-olds on the buses. This would be a bold move. I can see that this might lead to a culture change, and it's worth thinking about this. In the long term, there could be a massive theoretical gain. The problem is, in the short term, what would be the budgetary cost to the Welsh Government of providing this kind of facility. Such a move, if it was made, could encourage many young people not to use cars all the time. It won't encourage all of them, because some of them won't envisage using buses because buses are not cool. The ones that do use the proposed bus cards, these cards will also encourage them to walk from their homes to the bus stop, so it could also encourage the idea of walking, because at the moment a lot of youngsters are only interested in walking, unfortunately, from the couch to the car parked outside the house. Within a few short years, many of these same youngsters could be obese and will be a drain on the NHS, so we do have to look at the long-term potential cost savings. Surely, this is the kind of long-term thinking that tends to be encouraged by our future generations commissioner, so I wonder what she would think about your policy of free bus travel for the young. I wonder, of course, what the Government Minister has to say about it today. Of course, we also need to cost this and think about how on earth it would be funded. I think I've come to the end of my time. There was a lot of stuff to cover. We broadly agree with the Conservatives; on the Plaid amendments, the one about clean air we do support. We know you're doing a lot of Government initiatives, but we do wonder about the effectiveness of them, because the active travel Act, there are lots of doubts about how effective it is, so we are opposing your amendments today. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Welsh: Ie, gwnaed y pwynt gan Simon Thomas yn gynharach, a buaswn yn cytuno mai ceir sy'n achosi'r perygl mwyaf. Rwy'n credu mai'r pwynt rwy'n ei wneud yw nad yw'r tri pheth gwahanol yn cymysgu o gwbl. Ceir, beiciau, cerddwyr, yr anhawster yw ceisio dod o hyd i ffordd ymarferol o annog beicwyr a cherddwyr i wneud rhagor o ymarfer corff a defnyddio'r math hwnnw o drafnidiaeth heb i'r naill beth ymyrryd ar y llall. Felly, fel cerddwr, rwy'n credu bod hwn yn anhawster gwirioneddol. Gwn eich bod yn beicio llawer, Jenny, felly rwy'n ceisio edrych ar y mater o safbwynt cerddwr. Felly, credaf fod yna anhawster. Rwy'n credu mai'r broblem yw: lle mae'r gofod ar gyfer hyrwyddo'r gwahanol fathau hyn o drafnidiaeth mewn ffordd hyfyw? Problem fawr yw bod gormod o geir ar y ffordd erbyn hyn. Ni chafodd ein trefi a'n dinasoedd presennol eu cynllunio ar gyfer cynifer o geir, felly mae angen i ni leihau nifer y ceir ar y ffordd, sy'n ein harwain at un o syniadau'r Ceidwadwyr, sy'n ymwneud ag annog pobl i ddefnyddio bysiau, fel roedd Oscar, unwaith eto, yn ei ddisgrifio yn ei gyfraniad. Ceir argymhelliad i ddarparu trafnidiaeth am ddim i bobl ifanc rhwng 16 a 24 oed ar y bysiau. Byddai hwn yn gam beiddgar. Gallaf weld y gallai arwain at newid diwylliant, ac mae'n werth meddwl amdano. Yn y tymor hir, gallai esgor ar fanteision enfawr yn ddamcaniaethol. Y broblem yw, yn y tymor byr, beth fyddai'r gost gyllidebol i Lywodraeth Cymru o ddarparu'r math hwn o gyfleuster. Byddai cam o'r fath, pe baem yn ei gymryd, yn gallu annog llawer o bobl ifanc i beidio â defnyddio ceir drwy'r amser. Ni fydd yn annog pob un ohonynt, oherwydd ni fydd rhai ohonynt yn ystyried defnyddio bysiau oherwydd nad yw bysiau yn cŵl. O ran y rhai a fydd yn defnyddio'r cardiau bws arfaethedig, bydd y cardiau hyn hefyd yn eu hannog i gerdded o'u cartrefi i'r safle bws, felly gallai annog y syniad o gerdded hefyd, oherwydd ar hyn o bryd, nid oes gan lawer o bobl ifanc ddiddordeb mewn gwneud dim, yn anffodus, ond cerdded o'r soffa at y car sydd wedi'i barcio y tu allan i'r tŷ. O fewn ychydig flynyddoedd, gallai llawer o'r bobl ifanc hyn fod yn ordew a bod yn draul ar y GIG, felly mae'n rhaid inni edrych ar yr arbedion hirdymor posibl. Does bosib nad dyma'r math o feddwl hirdymor y mae ein comisiynydd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol yn dueddol o'i annog, felly tybed beth fyddai ei barn hi am eich polisi o gynnig teithiau bws am ddim i bobl ifanc. Tybed beth sydd gan Weinidog y Llywodraeth i'w ddweud am y peth heddiw. Wrth gwrs, rydym angen prisio hyn hefyd a meddwl sut ar y ddaear y byddem yn ei ariannu. Rwy'n credu bod fy amser yn dirwyn i ben. Roedd llawer o faterion i'w trafod. Rydym yn cytuno'n fras â'r Ceidwadwyr; o ran gwelliannau Plaid Cymru, rydym yn cefnogi'r un am aer glân. Gwyddom eich bod yn gwneud llawer o gynlluniau Llywodraeth, ond rydym yn meddwl tybed pa mor effeithiol ydynt, oherwydd mae yna lawer o amheuon ynglŷn â pha mor effeithiol yw'r Ddeddf teithio llesol, felly rydym yn gwrthwynebu eich gwelliannau heddiw. Diolch yn fawr iawn.