English: I'd like to thank Paul Davies for introducing this Bill. I'm in complete support of this Bill and agree with everything that's been said so far in support of it, so I'll try not to repeat the points already made. But, turning to one of the representations that we've had against the Bill, I'm sure that everyone here has received the e-mail about the Bill, authored by a number of clinicians concerned that, if this Bill goes through, focus will be taken off conditions that, while every bit as impactive for the sufferers of ASD, have not secured a diagnosis of ASD and therefore aren't subject to this Bill and the targets or accountability that the Bill will introduce. To those clinicians, I would reply that if the Welsh Labour NHS fails to meet the needs of children who aren't diagnosed with ASD, it won't be the fault of the Bill. The blame will lie with the Government, whose successive failures so far have necessitated this Bill. I understand the concerns the clinicians have raised regarding possible unintended consequences of the Bill. It's something that you always have to watch, obviously, but the well-intentioned contribution to this debate may, in fact, act to let the Government off the hook for the mismanagement of the Welsh NHS. It will be in the hands of the Labour Government whether children with other needs will be ignored. This Bill won't cause anyone to be ignored; it's just Labour's running of the Welsh NHS that will cause that. We can't vote against this Bill because we fear that the Government aren't competent enough to deal with it. The people of Wales need Government incompetence to be highlighted and challenged, not accommodated and appeased. So, with all due respect to the clinicians who've highlighted the concerns, I fear that following their advice will only make the Welsh Government feel better, not those people with ASD whose needs have been neglected for far too long. We all wish this Bill wasn't necessary. We all wish the NHS was meeting the needs of those with ASD, but we also know that this isn't the case. Saying, 'Let's not do anything about it because there are other shortcomings that also need dealing with' - this diagnosis-versus-need argument - is not good enough. Should we feel the need to bring in additional Bills to tackle the shortcomings of the Labour-run NHS, we should do so. To refuse to tackle a problem solely on the grounds that it's not dealing with all of the NHS's ills is like a doctor refusing to treat a patient's long-standing symptoms until a cure for the underlying disease is found. We can't let those with ASD suffer any longer while a cure for Labour's incompetent running of the NHS is found, so I urge all Members to vote for this Bill. Turning to the second point that those clinicians made, nowhere is it more evident that the NHS is failing families in need than in the second point that they raise, when they say that there is a risk that individuals or families will feel that their best opportunity to access what support they need is by securing that particular diagnosis i.e ASD. Were the NHS and support service running as they should, this wouldn't be an issue, but the fact that it is an issue doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything. As the Betsi Cadwaladr fiasco shows, not only can the Government not run the NHS at a strategic level, but they can't do it at a direct level either. That view is backed up by the e-mail that we've had from the clinicians. So, really, the one and only reason this Bill is needed is because the Labour Government has failed to convince the Welsh NHS and other organisations to deliver the support and services needed by those with ASD. We know there are other individuals, groups of people and communities that are currently being let down by the Welsh Labour Government but, today, we're dealing with ASD, and in order to get those living with ASD the support they need, I urge everyone to back this Bill today. Thank you.
Welsh: Hoffwn ddiolch i Paul Davies am gyflwyno'r Bil hwn. Rwy'n cefnogi'r Bil yn llwyr ac yn cytuno â phopeth a ddywedwyd hyd yma o'i blaid, felly fe geisiaf beidio ag ailadrodd y pwyntiau a wnaed eisoes. Ond i droi at un o'r cyflwyniadau a gawsom yn erbyn y Bil, rwy'n siŵr fod pawb yma wedi cael yr e-bost ynglŷn â'r Bil, wedi'i ysgrifennu gan nifer o glinigwyr sy'n pryderu, os caiff y Bil ei basio, y collir ffocws ar gyflyrau y mae eu heffaith yr un mor fawr ag i'r rhai sy'n dioddef o anhwylder sbectrwm awtistig ond nad ydynt wedi cael diagnosis o anhwylder sbectrwm awtistig, ac felly nid ydynt yn cael eu cynnwys yn y Bil hwn a'r targedau a'r atebolrwydd a gyflwynir gan y Bil hwn. I'r clinigwyr hynny, buaswn yn ateb nad bai'r Bil fydd unrhyw fethiant ar ran GIG Llafur Cymru i ddiwallu anghenion plant nad ydynt wedi cael diagnosis o anhwylder sbectrwm awtistig. Bai'r Llywodraeth fydd hynny, a'i methiannau olynol hyd yma sydd wedi golygu bod angen y Bil hwn. Deallaf y pryderon sydd gan glinigwyr ynglŷn â chanlyniadau anfwriadol posibl y Bil. Mae'n rhywbeth y mae'n rhaid i chi ei wylio bob amser, yn amlwg, ond gallai'r cyfraniad llawn bwriad da i'r ddadl hon weithredu i osgoi rhoi'r bai ar y Llywodraeth am gamreoli GIG Cymru mewn gwirionedd. Mater i'r Llywodraeth Lafur fydd i ba raddau y caiff plant sydd ag anghenion eraill eu hanwybyddu. Ni fydd y Bil hwn yn peri i unrhyw un gael ei anwybyddu; dim ond y ffordd y mae Llafur yn rhedeg GIG Cymru fydd yn peri hynny. Ni allwn bleidleisio yn erbyn y Bil hwn am ein bod yn ofni nad yw'r Llywodraeth yn ddigon cymwys i allu ymdrin ag ef. Mae pobl Cymru angen i anallu'r Llywodraeth gael ei amlygu a'i herio, nid ei oddef a'i dderbyn. Felly, gyda phob dyledus barch i'r clinigwyr a nododd y pryderon, mae arnaf ofn na fydd dilyn eu cyngor ond yn gwneud i Lywodraeth Cymru deimlo'n well, yn hytrach na'r bobl sydd ag anhwylderau sbectrwm awtistig y mae eu hanghenion wedi eu hesgeuluso ers cyhyd. Byddai'n well gan bawb ohonom pe na bai angen y Bil hwn. Byddai pawb ohonom yn dymuno gweld y GIG yn diwallu anghenion unigolion ag anhwylderau sbectrwm awtistig, ond gwyddom hefyd nad yw hynny'n digwydd. Nid yw'n ddigon da inni ddweud, 'Gadewch i ni beidio â gwneud dim yn ei gylch am fod angen ymdrin â diffygion eraill hefyd' - y ddadl diagnosis yn erbyn angen. Pe baem yn teimlo'r angen i gyflwyno Biliau ychwanegol i fynd i'r afael â dffygion y GIG dan arweiniad Llafur, dylem wneud hynny. Mae gwrthod mynd i'r afael â phroblem ar y sail nad yw'n ymdrin â holl ddiffygion y GIG ychydig fel meddyg yn gwrthod trin symptomau hirsefydlog claf hyd nes y doir o hyd i wellhad i'r clefyd gwaelodol. Ni allwn adael i'r rhai sydd ag anhwylderau sbectrwm awtistig ddioddef yn hwy tra doir o hyd i wellhad i'r ffordd ddi-glem y mae Llafur yn rhedeg y GIG, felly rwy'n annog yr holl Aelodau i bleidleisio o blaid y Bil hwn. I droi at yr ail bwynt a wnaeth y clinigwyr, gwelir yn fwyaf amlwg fod y GIG yn gwneud cam â theuluoedd mewn angen yn yr ail bwynt a godir ganddynt, pan ddywedant fod yna berygl y bydd unigolion neu deuluoedd yn teimlo mai eu gobaith gorau o gael y cymorth sydd ei angen arnynt yw drwy gael y diagnosis penodol hwnnw, h.y. anhwylder sbectrwm awtistig. Pe bai'r GIG a gwasanaethau cymorth yn gweithredu fel y dylent, ni fyddai hyn yn broblem, ond nid yw'r ffaith ei bod yn broblem yn golygu na ddylem wneud unrhyw beth. Fel y dengys ffiasgo Betsi Cadwaladr, nid yn unig nad yw'r Llywodraeth yn gallu rhedeg y GIG ar lefel strategol, ni allant wneud hynny ar lefel uniongyrchol chwaith. Ategir y farn honno gan yr e-bost a gawsom gan y clinigwyr. Felly, mewn gwirionedd, yr unig reswm pam fod angen y Bil hwn yw oherwydd bod y Llywodraeth Lafur wedi methu argyhoeddi GIG Cymru a sefydliadau eraill i ddarparu'r cymorth a'r gwasanaethau sydd eu hangen ar unigolion ag anhwylder sbectrwm awtistig. Rydym yn gwybod bod yna unigolion eraill, grwpiau o bobl a chymunedau yn cael eu siomi ar hyn o bryd gan y Llywodraeth Lafur ond, heddiw, anhwylderau sbectrwm awtistig sydd o dan sylw, ac er mwyn cael y cymorth sydd ei angen arnynt i rai sy'n byw ag anhwylderau sbectrwm awtistig, rwy'n annog pawb i gefnogi'r Bil hwn heddiw. Diolch.