English: I agree with the point that Adam Price made with such passion a moment ago, that it is right for parties in this house to work together for the benefit of Wales. So I was a bit surprised, actually, when the Cabinet Secretary did ring me this morning, because on the radio on Sunday morning, he said he has little limited contact with the Conservatives and can't ever imagine having conversations with UKIP. Anyway, I'm very pleased to see that he's recanted within a couple of days from that rather extreme opinion. This debate, to an extent, is one of shadow-boxing, because although I appreciate that the deal that Plaid Cymru have done with Labour has enabled them to make a real contribution to this budget in detail - £500-odd million is not an insignificant sum - but the Welsh Government's budget, of course, is £15 billion to £16 billion and they are constrained, in any event, in what they can do with it by the obvious things that have to be funded by any Government. The element of discretion in the Welsh budget is inevitably very limited, although that will certainly become greater when we do actually get tax devolution in two years' time. Then, there will be more options that the elected politicians of Wales will be able to choose from amongst in (a) the levels of taxation and (b) what we do with it. But the background to this budget is, of course, set out in what the Cabinet Secretary says about the policy of the UK Government. He says: 'If the UK Government continues on its present path, we face a further extension in a period of austerity already unprecedented in length and depth.' He also says, in the same paragraph in this statement, that a report from the chief economist for Wales about future public finances and our economic prospects shows some stark messages. The one message that I get from the pack that came with the document with all the details about the budget in it today, and the chief economist's report - it has at the end of it, on page 27, this from the Office for Budget Responsibility: 'new unfunded "giveaways" would take the Government further away from its medium-term fiscal objective and would only add to the longer-term challenges. In many recent fiscal events, giveaways today have been financed by the promise of takeaways tomorrow. The risk there, of course, is that tomorrow never comes.' From the way in which the Welsh Government speaks about the economy, anybody would think that spending bills never come home to roost. We've been down that dolorous path many, many times in the course of my lifetime. Eventually, the chickens do come home to roost and you have to be able to pay back the money that you borrow. Very often, of course, the payback time comes when it's extremely inconvenient, and indeed sometimes impossible, to do so. Once a Government loses its credit rating and its ability to borrow at reasonable rates, then those who suffer most in those circumstances - all historical precedent shows this - are those, actually, who are the most vulnerable in society. I give way to Mike Hedges.
Welsh: Rwy'n cytuno â'r pwynt a wnaeth Adam Price gyda chymaint o angerdd eiliad yn ôl, sef ei bod yn iawn i'r pleidiau yn y tŷ hwn gydweithio er budd Cymru. Felly, cefais fy synnu ychydig, a dweud y gwir, pan ffoniodd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet fi heddiw, oherwydd ar y radio fore Sul, dywedodd nad oes ganddo lawer o gyswllt â'r Ceidwadwyr ac na allai byth ddychmygu cael sgyrsiau gydag UKIP. Beth bynnag, rwy'n falch iawn o weld ei fod wedi diarddel o fewn ychydig ddyddiau y farn eithaf eithafol honno. Mae'r ddadl hon, i raddau, yn un o esgus paffio, oherwydd er fy mod yn deall bod y fargen y mae Plaid Cymru wedi'i tharo â Llafur wedi eu galluogi i wneud cyfraniad go iawn i'r gyllideb hon yn fanwl - nid yw tua £500 miliwn yn swm ansylweddol - ond mae cyllideb Llywodraeth Cymru, wrth gwrs, yn £15 biliwn i £16 biliwn ac maent wedi'u cyfyngu, beth bynnag, o ran yr hyn y gallant ei wneud ag ef oherwydd y pethau amlwg y mae'n rhaid i unrhyw Lywodraeth eu hariannu. Mae'n anochel bod yr elfen o ddisgresiwn yng nghyllideb Cymru yn gyfyngedig iawn, er y bydd hynny'n sicr yn cynyddu pan gawn ni ddatganoli treth ymhen dwy flynedd. Yna, bydd mwy o opsiynau i wleidyddion etholedig Cymru allu dewis o'u plith o ran (a) lefelau trethi a (b) yr hyn a wnawn â hwy. Ond, wrth gwrs, mae cefndir y gyllideb hon wedi'i nodi yn yr hyn y mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn ei ddweud am bolisi Llywodraeth y DU. Mae'n dweud: 'Os yw Llywodraeth y DU yn parhau ar eu llwybr presennol, rydym yn wynebu estyniad pellach mewn cyfnod o gyni sydd eisoes heb ei debyg o ran hyd a dyfnder.' Mae hefyd yn dweud, yn yr un paragraff yn y datganiad hwn, bod adroddiad gan brif economegydd Cymru am gyllid cyhoeddus yn y dyfodol a'n rhagolygon economaidd yn dangos rhai negeseuon llwm. Yr un neges yr wyf i'n ei chael o'r pecyn a ddaeth gyda'r ddogfen gyda'r holl fanylion am y gyllideb ynddi heddiw, ac o adroddiad y prif economegydd - mae ar y diwedd, ar dudalen 27, gan y Swyddfa Cyfrifoldeb Cyllidebol: 'byddai "rhoddion" newydd heb eu hariannu yn symud y Llywodraeth ymhellach i ffwrdd o'i hamcan cyllidol tymor canolig ac ni fyddent ond yn ychwanegu at heriau tymor hwy. Mewn llawer o ddigwyddiadau ariannol diweddar, mae rhoddion heddiw wedi cael eu hariannu gan addewid o gymryd yn ôl yfory. Y risg yno, wrth gwrs, yw na fydd yfory byth yn dod.' O ystyried y ffordd y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn sôn am yr economi, byddai unrhyw un yn meddwl nad oes rhaid talu biliau gwariant byth. Rydym wedi bod i lawr y llwybr difrifol hwnnw lawer, lawer gwaith yn ystod fy mywyd i. Yn y pen draw, mae'n dod yn fater o reidrwydd ac mae'n rhaid ichi allu ad-dalu'r arian yr ydych chi'n ei fenthyca. Yn aml iawn, wrth gwrs, daw'r amser talu'n ôl pan mae hi'n hynod o anghyfleus, ac weithiau'n amhosibl, i wneud hynny. Unwaith y bydd Llywodraeth yn colli ei statws credyd a'i gallu i fenthyca ar gyfraddau rhesymol, y bobl sy'n dioddef fwyaf o dan yr amgylchiadau hynny - mae pob cynsail hanesyddol yn dangos hyn - yw, mewn gwirionedd, y bobl fwyaf agored i niwed mewn cymdeithas. Rwy'n ildio i Mike Hedges.