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English: That's totally correct, and that's what we must get here. That's why the Welsh Government exemptions are going to be very key, and I want to hear more from the Minister on that. The Welsh Government have opted here to press on with their tax plans despite receiving evidence about the damaging impact to the sector. The organisations that were with us today surveyed more than 1,500 self-catering businesses across Wales, and it seems the Welsh Government has chosen to ignore those. I note the Welsh Government are looking at - [ Interruption. ] I will take an intervention, yes.
Welsh: Mae hynny'n gwbl gywir, a dyna y mae'n rhaid inni ei gael yma. Dyna pam y bydd eithriadau Llywodraeth Cymru yn allweddol iawn, ac rwyf eisiau clywed mwy gan y Gweinidog am hynny. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi dewis bwrw ymlaen â'u cynlluniau treth er eu bod wedi cael tystiolaeth am yr effaith niweidiol ar y sector. Mae'r sefydliadau a oedd gyda ni heddiw wedi arolygu mwy na 1,500 o fusnesau hunanddarpar ledled Cymru, ac mae'n ymddangos bod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi dewis anwybyddu'r rheini. Sylwaf fod Llywodraeth Cymru yn edrych ar - [ Torri ar draws. ] Rwy'n fodlon derbyn ymyriad, iawn.
English: Do you not accept that the licensing scheme will actually help the sector, the indigenous sector that's been working for decades in our communities, and also that the biggest problem facing that sector is the huge mushrooming in Airbnbs, and those are the people that are impacting on the number of nights that people are staying in the accommodation in Wales at the moment?
Welsh: Onid ydych yn derbyn y bydd y cynllun trwyddedu yn helpu'r sector mewn gwirionedd, y sector cynhenid sydd wedi bod yn gweithio ers degawdau yn ein cymunedau, a hefyd mai'r broblem fwyaf sy'n wynebu'r sector hwnnw yw'r cynnydd enfawr mewn Airbnbs, a dyna'r bobl sy'n effeithio ar nifer y nosweithiau y bydd pobl yn aros yn y llety yng Nghymru ar hyn o bryd?
English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I welcome the opportunity to respond to the motion today. On 2 March, more than 12 months before the changes take practical effect, I announced the outcome of our consultation on local taxes for second homes and self-catering accommodation. Since then, I've answered questions from Members in the Chamber and elsewhere, I've responded to an opposition debate on the subject of today's motion, and I've also had discussions with stakeholders. Throughout this period I've been clear about the Welsh Government's decisions, and about the timing of changes. I've explained the reasons behind our decision to increase the letting thresholds for self-catering accommodation to be classified as non-domestic for local taxation purposes. Our approach will ensure that the properties concerned are classed as non-domestic only if they're occupied for business purposes for the majority of the year, and if they're let on a less frequent basis, they will be liable for council tax. This is about property owners making a fair contribution to the communities where they have homes or run businesses. Self-catering operators - [ Interruption. ] Yes, I will.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Rwy'n croesawu'r cyfle i ymateb i'r cynnig heddiw. Ar 2 Mawrth, dros 12 mis cyn i'r newidiadau ddod i rym yn ymarferol, cyhoeddais ganlyniad ein hymgynghoriad ar drethi lleol ar gyfer ail gartrefi a llety hunanddarpar. Ers hynny, rwyf wedi ateb cwestiynau gan Aelodau yn y Siambr ac mewn mannau eraill, rwyf wedi ymateb i ddadl gan yr wrthblaid ar bwnc y cynnig heddiw, ac rwyf hefyd wedi cael trafodaethau gyda rhanddeiliaid. Drwy gydol y cyfnod hwn rwyf wedi bod yn glir am benderfyniadau Llywodraeth Cymru, ac am amseriad y newidiadau. Rwyf wedi esbonio'r rhesymau y tu ôl i'n penderfyniad i gynyddu'r trothwyon gosod ar gyfer llety hunanddarpar i'w dosbarthu fel llety annomestig at ddibenion trethiant lleol. Bydd ein dull o weithredu yn sicrhau na fydd yr eiddo dan sylw ond yn cael ei ystyried yn eiddo annomestig os yw'n cael ei ddefnyddio at ddibenion busnes am y rhan fwyaf o'r flwyddyn, ac os caiff ei osod yn llai aml, bydd yn rhaid iddynt dalu'r dreth gyngor. Mae hyn yn ymwneud â pherchnogion eiddo yn gwneud cyfraniad teg i'r cymunedau lle mae ganddynt gartrefi neu lle maent yn rhedeg busnesau. Mae gweithredwyr hunanddarpar - [ Torri ar draws. ] Gwnaf.
English: Would you accept and concede that a fair contribution to the community looks often like a thriving businesses supporting people's livelihoods and putting bread on their tables? If those businesses don't exist in our communities, then that fair contribution to our communities doesn't exist.
Welsh: A fyddech yn derbyn ac yn cyfaddef bod cyfraniad teg i'r gymuned yn aml yn edrych fel busnesau ffyniannus sy'n cefnogi bywoliaeth pobl ac yn rhoi bwyd ar eu byrddau? Os nad yw'r busnesau hynny'n bodoli yn ein cymunedau, nid yw'r cyfraniad teg hwnnw i'n cymunedau yn bodoli.
English: I think that the fair contribution to communities has to be made within the context of sustainable communities, where we have a balance of businesses and a balance of residents there. We know there are communities in Wales where 40 per cent of properties are second homes, sometimes being let out as holiday lets. And we know that for large parts of the year, in some areas, the lights will be out. So, we need to be supporting these businesses to become - [ Interruption.]
Welsh: Credaf fod yn rhaid gwneud y cyfraniad teg i gymunedau yng nghyd-destun cymunedau cynaliadwy, lle mae gennym gydbwysedd o fusnesau a chydbwysedd o drigolion yno. Gwyddom fod yna gymunedau yng Nghymru lle mae 40 y cant o'r eiddo'n ail gartrefi sydd weithiau'n cael eu gosod fel tai gwyliau. A gwyddom, am rannau helaeth o'r flwyddyn, mewn rhai ardaloedd, y bydd y goleuadau wedi'u diffodd. Felly, mae angen inni gefnogi'r busnesau hyn i ddod - [ Torri ar draws.]
English: I ask Members to allow the Minister to answer the question and to finish her contribution.
Welsh: Gofynnaf i'r Aelodau ganiatáu i'r Gweinidog ateb y cwestiwn a gorffen ei chyfraniad.
English: You've got time to take an intervention if you wish.
Welsh: Mae gennych amser i dderbyn ymyriad os dymunwch.
English: I'll happily make an intervention. Most operators would absolutely love for their properties to be occupied for more than 50 per cent of the year, but that is simply not the reality in many parts of Wales. And I don't think that you imposing this arbitrary 50 per cent occupancy rule throughout the year is very fair, Minister. I'd love you to come to meet with some of the very small businesses in my constituency who rely on this income to put that food on the table who will now face potential financial ruin as a result of your decision.
Welsh: Rwy'n hapus i wneud ymyriad. Byddai'r rhan fwyaf o weithredwyr wrth eu bodd i'w heiddo gael ei ddefnyddio am fwy na 50 y cant o'r flwyddyn, ond nid dyna'r realiti mewn sawl rhan o Gymru. Ac nid wyf yn credu bod gosod rheol defnydd mympwyol o 50 y cant drwy'r flwyddyn yn deg iawn, Weinidog. Byddwn wrth fy modd pe baech yn dod i gyfarfod â rhai o'r busnesau bach iawn yn fy etholaeth sy'n dibynnu ar yr incwm hwn i roi bwyd ar y bwrdd ac a fydd bellach yn wynebu distryw ariannol posibl o ganlyniad i'ch penderfyniad.
English: Well, as I said, average occupancy has exceeded 50 per cent over the three years prior to the pandemic, so many of those businesses are reaching that threshold, and I've already mentioned the point about the regulation system, which will help push tourists and visitors towards those established businesses and away from the more casual end of the market, which is having an impact, I think, on businesses. Of course, there will be a number of possible behavioural changes that will occur amongst owners of second homes and self-catering accommodation in response to the changes, and of course it's for individual owners to consider the approach that they take. But, and a number of colleagues have referred to this, I do recognise that some self-catering properties are restricted by planning conditions that prevent the permanent occupation as somebody's main residence. An exception from a council tax premium already is provided for one type of planning condition and, as I've said many times now in this Chamber, I'm exploring whether an exception should apply to other planning conditions. My intention is that any necessary changes are brought in with effect from 1 April 2023, alongside the increased thresholds.
Welsh: Wel, fel y dywedais, mae'r defnydd cyfartalog yn uwch na 50 y cant dros y tair blynedd cyn y pandemig, felly mae nifer o'r busnesau hynny'n cyrraedd y trothwy hwnnw, ac rwyf eisoes wedi sôn am y pwynt am y system reoleiddio, a fydd yn helpu i wthio twristiaid ac ymwelwyr tuag at y busnesau sefydledig hynny ac i ffwrdd o ben mwy achlysurol y farchnad, sy'n cael effaith, rwy'n credu, ar fusnesau. Wrth gwrs, bydd nifer o newidiadau ymddygiadol posibl yn digwydd ymhlith perchnogion ail gartrefi a llety hunanddarpar mewn ymateb i'r newidiadau, ac wrth gwrs mater i berchnogion unigol yw ystyried y dull y maent yn ei fabwysiadu. Ond rwy'n cydnabod, ac mae nifer o gyd-Aelodau wedi cyfeirio at hyn, fod peth eiddo hunanddarpar wedi'i gyfyngu gan amodau cynllunio sy'n atal meddiannaeth barhaol fel prif breswylfa. Mae eithriad o bremiwm treth gyngor eisoes yn cael ei ddarparu ar gyfer un math o amod cynllunio ac fel y dywedais droeon bellach yn y Siambr hon, rwy'n ystyried a ddylai eithriad fod yn berthnasol i amodau cynllunio eraill. Fy mwriad yw y bydd unrhyw newidiadau angenrheidiol yn dod i rym o 1 Ebrill 2023, ochr yn ochr â'r trothwyon uwch.
English: The Minister is almost out of time.
Welsh: Mae amser y Gweinidog yn dirwyn i ben.
English: A very quick one.
Welsh: Un cyflym iawn.
English: No, the Minister is out of time. She is now going into an area that I'm allowing because of previous interventions.
Welsh: Na, mae amser y Gweinidog wedi dod i ben. Bydd yn cael amser rwy'n ei ganiatáu oherwydd ymyriadau blaenorol yn awr.
English: Okay, I'll try to conclude. I'll also be issuing that revised guidance that we've heard of in relation to the additional options that are available if self-catering properties restricted by planning permission conditions don't meet those thresholds. These options do include discretion to reduce or even remove the standard rate of council tax liability for certain properties where considered appropriate by the local authority - and it is for local authorities to decide whether to apply a premium and at what level to apply it. But we shouldn't assume that all local authorities will adopt the increased maximum council tax premium of 300 per cent that will be allowed from 1 April of next year. The powers have been available to increase it by 100 per cent since 2016, and only three local authorities are currently applying that maximum. So, to conclude, as part of the co-operation agreement with Plaid Cymru, we're taking immediate action to address the impact of second homes and unaffordable housing in communities across Wales, using the planning, property and taxation systems. We do recognise that these are complex issues that require a multifaceted and integrated response, and changes to the local taxes alone won't provide the solution, which is why we're developing that package of interventions. As such, Dirprwy Lywydd, I would urge Members to vote against the motion today.
Welsh: Iawn, fe geisiaf ddirwyn i ben. Byddaf hefyd yn cyhoeddi'r canllawiau diwygiedig y clywsom amdanynt mewn perthynas â'r opsiynau ychwanegol sydd ar gael os nad yw eiddo hunanddarpar sydd wedi ei gyfyngu gan amodau caniatâd cynllunio yn bodloni'r trothwyon hynny. Mae'r opsiynau hyn yn cynnwys disgresiwn i ostwng neu hyd yn oed i ddileu cyfradd safonol y dreth gyngor ar gyfer eiddo penodol lle y bernir ei bod yn briodol gan yr awdurdod lleol - a mater i awdurdodau lleol yw penderfynu a ddylid codi premiwm ac ar ba lefel i'w godi. Ond ni ddylem dybio y bydd pob awdurdod lleol yn mabwysiadu uchafswm premiwm uwch y dreth gyngor o 300 y cant a fydd yn cael ei ganiatáu o 1 Ebrill y flwyddyn nesaf. Mae'r pwerau wedi bod ar gael i'w gynyddu 100 y cant ers 2016, a dim ond tri awdurdod lleol sy'n codi'r uchafswm hwnnw ar hyn o bryd. Felly, i gloi, fel rhan o'r cytundeb cydweithio â Phlaid Cymru, rydym yn cymryd camau uniongyrchol i fynd i'r afael ag effaith ail gartrefi a thai anfforddiadwy mewn cymunedau ledled Cymru, gan ddefnyddio'r systemau cynllunio, eiddo a threthiant. Rydym yn cydnabod bod y rhain yn faterion cymhleth sy'n galw am ymateb amlweddog ac integredig, ac ni fydd newidiadau i'r trethi lleol ar eu pen eu hunain yn rhoi'r ateb i ni, a dyna pam ein bod yn datblygu'r pecyn hwnnw o ymyriadau. Felly, Ddirprwy Lywydd, hoffwn annog yr Aelodau i bleidleisio yn erbyn y cynnig heddiw.
English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Can I thank Members for their valuable contributions to my annulment motion today? We've heard from a range of Members across the Chamber, and I'll just cap off very quickly some of their remarks. Sam Rowlands kicked off by talking about the economic impact - that £6,000 additional tax bill that some of these businesses now are going to be forced to pay. Peter Fox talked about this is the wrong time for it. We're just coming out of a pandemic, we're facing a cost-of-living crisis - this is absolutely not the right time, if ever there was one, to enact these changes in the first place. And James Evans also spoke a lot about that blanket approach across the country to these measures. If we want to encourage tourism across Wales and in different parts of Wales, we can't have one uniform rule of 182 days across the country. It simply doesn't work. Sam Kurtz also mentioned that it just totally misses the mark, this policy. Properties that were never available for residential use are going to be caught up in these changes as well. Can I just talk about Mabon ap Gwynfor's very important - [ Interruption.]
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r Aelodau am eu cyfraniadau gwerthfawr i fy nghynnig i ddirymu heddiw? Clywsom gan amrywiaeth o Aelodau ar draws y Siambr, ac rwyf am gyfeirio at rai o'u sylwadau'n gyflym iawn. Dechreuodd Sam Rowlands drwy sôn am yr effaith economaidd - y bil treth ychwanegol o £6,000 y bydd rhai o'r busnesau hyn yn gorfod ei dalu yn awr. Dywedodd Peter Fox nad dyma'r amser cywir ar ei gyfer. Rydym newydd gefnu ar bandemig, rydym yn wynebu argyfwng costau byw - nid dyma'r adeg iawn, os bu un erioed, i weithredu'r newidiadau hyn yn y lle cyntaf. A siaradodd James Evans lawer hefyd am y dull unffurf o weithredu'r mesurau ar draws y wlad. Os ydym eisiau annog twristiaeth ledled Cymru ac mewn gwahanol rannau o Gymru, ni allwn gael un rheol unffurf o 182 diwrnod ledled y wlad. Nid yw'n gweithio. Soniodd Sam Kurtz hefyd fod y polisi hwn yn methu'r nod yn llwyr. Bydd eiddo nad yw erioed wedi bod ar gael at ddefnydd preswyl yn cael ei ddal yn y newidiadau hyn hefyd. A gaf fi sôn am gyfraniad pwysig Mabon ap Gwynfor - [ Torri ar draws.]
English: Can I just talk very quickly about Mabon ap Gwynfor's contribution as well, when he talked about over-tourism? I think the tourism industry wants to help solve the problems of over-tourism - it has said that it does - in those areas where the numbers of second homes are higher. But as Mark Isherwood said, that is a conflation of two different issues here, and, as a result, these businesses have been stifled with a huge increased tax burden to pay instead. And finally from the Minister, I noted you talked a lot about a fair contribution, and as Sam Rowlands said, there was no recognition, I think, from the Minister that a fair contribution to a local area is a thriving economy in that area - those local businesses being open. And that's what tourists expect when they visit an area - they want a thriving local community as well, and without these businesses in that area, that simply may not happen. And finally, I want to talk about the exemptions as well. We're doing this entirely the wrong way, Minister. We're being asked to vote to support this Bill today without knowing the exemptions that are going to follow. It's totally the wrong way round. [ Interruption.] Absolutely.
Welsh: A gaf fi siarad yn gyflym iawn am gyfraniad Mabon ap Gwynfor hefyd, pan soniodd am or-dwristiaeth? Credaf fod y diwydiant twristiaeth eisiau helpu i ddatrys problemau gor-dwristiaeth - mae wedi dweud ei fod eisiau gwneud hynny - yn yr ardaloedd lle mae nifer yr ail gartrefi'n uwch. Ond fel y dywedodd Mark Isherwood, mae hynny'n cyfuno dau fater gwahanol yma, ac o ganlyniad, mae'r busnesau hyn wedi cael eu llesteirio gan faich treth uwch i'w dalu yn lle hynny. Ac yn olaf gan y Gweinidog, nodais eich bod wedi sôn llawer am gyfraniad teg, ac fel y dywedodd Sam Rowlands, nid oedd cydnabyddiaeth gan y Gweinidog, rwy'n credu, mai cyfraniad teg i ardal leol yw economi ffyniannus yn yr ardal honno - fod y busnesau lleol hynny ar agor. A dyna y mae twristiaid yn ei ddisgwyl pan fyddant yn ymweld ag ardal - maent eisiau cymuned leol ffyniannus hefyd, a heb y busnesau hyn yn yr ardal honno, efallai na fydd hynny'n digwydd. Ac yn olaf, rwyf eisiau siarad am yr eithriadau hefyd. Rydym yn gwneud hyn yn y ffordd hollol anghywir, Weinidog. Gofynnir inni bleidleisio i gefnogi'r Bil hwn heddiw heb wybod am yr eithriadau a fydd yn dilyn. Mae'n ffordd gwbl anghywir o'i wneud. [ Torri ar draws.] Yn sicr.
English: Thank you. The Minister talks about exemptions being in place, but doesn't this just confirm that this whole policy in the first place is back to front, and this is the wrong policy, an unfair policy, because the exemptions should have been considered at a much earlier stage, not now?
Welsh: Diolch. Mae'r Gweinidog yn dweud bod eithriadau ar waith, ond onid yw hyn yn cadarnhau bod y polisi hwn y tu ôl ymlaen yn y lle cyntaf, a bod y polisi hwn yn anghywir ac yn annheg, oherwydd dylai'r eithriadau fod wedi cael eu hystyried yn gynharach o lawer, nid yn awr?
English: Yes. I think this policy has been rushed, quite frankly, to satisfy the demands and the needs of Plaid Cymru and the co-operation agreement. So, to conclude - . Well, the one thing I will say in addition to that to Russell, it was notable -
Welsh: Ydy. Rwy'n credu bod y polisi hwn wedi'i ruthro, a dweud y gwir, i fodloni gofynion ac anghenion Plaid Cymru a'r cytundeb cydweithio. Felly, i gloi - . Wel, rwyf am ddweud un peth arall wrth Russell, roedd yn werth nodi -
English: Oh, happily from the deputy First Minister.
Welsh: O, rwy'n hapus i dderbyn ymyriad gan y dirprwy Brif Weinidog.
English: Do you realise that the reason that we are introducing this package of measures urgently is because we are facing a housing crisis in these communities? And we make no apology for recognising the urgency of the crisis that young people, in particular, in our communities are facing.
Welsh: A ydych chi'n sylweddoli mai'r rheswm pam ein bod yn cyflwyno'r pecyn hwn o fesurau ar frys yw oherwydd ein bod yn wynebu argyfwng tai yn y cymunedau hyn? Ac nid ydym am ymddiheuro am gydnabod brys yr argyfwng y mae pobl ifanc, yn enwedig, yn ei wynebu yn ein cymunedau.
English: I think what you fail to recognise is that these people are based in these communities. They run and operate businesses in places like Carmarthenshire. They absolutely are part of those communities and help them run. To penalise them in this way by your party and the Labour Party is totally unfair - [ Interruption.] - and I think it is notable that not one single Labour backbencher got up to support these -
Welsh: Nid wyf yn credu eich bod yn cydnabod bod y bobl hyn wedi'u lleoli yn y cymunedau hyn. Maent yn cynnal ac yn gweithredu busnesau mewn lleoedd fel sir Gaerfyrddin. Maent yn rhan annatod o'r cymunedau hynny ac yn helpu i'w cynnal. Mae'r ffaith bod eich plaid chi a'r Blaid Lafur yn eu cosbi yn y ffordd hon yn gwbl annheg - [ Torri ar draws.] - a chredaf ei bod yn werth nodi na wnaeth yr un aelod o'r meinciau cefn Llafur godi i gefnogi'r rhain -
English: Can I ask all Members please to keep quiet, because I want to actually hear the contribution from the Member?
Welsh: A gaf fi ofyn i bob Aelod gadw'n dawel, oherwydd rwyf eisiau clywed cyfraniad yr Aelod?
English: Not one single Labour backbencher got up to defend your plans today, Minister. I think that is a notable point to make as well. And so I would urge Members to vote to annul this Bill today - vote to save Welsh tourism before this triple whammy of announcements and policies from Welsh Government leave us with no sector left to save.
Welsh: Nid oes unrhyw aelod o'r meinciau cefn Llafur wedi codi i amddiffyn eich cynlluniau heddiw, Weinidog. Credaf fod hwnnw'n bwynt sy'n werth ei wneud hefyd. Ac felly, byddwn yn annog yr Aelodau i bleidleisio i ddirymu'r Bil hwn heddiw - pleidleisiwch i achub twristiaeth Cymru cyn i'r ergyd driphlyg hon o gyhoeddiadau a pholisïau gan Lywodraeth Cymru ein gadael heb unrhyw sector ar ôl i'w arbed.
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] There are objections. I will therefore defer voting on the motion until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad. ] Gallaf weld gwrthwynebiad. Felly, gohiriaf y bleidlais ar y cynnig tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: Item 7, a debate on a Member's legislative proposal: a ban on 'no pet' clauses in rented accommodation. I call on Luke Fletcher to move the motion.
Welsh: Eitem 7, dadl ar gynnig deddfwriaethol gan Aelod: gwaharddiad ar gymalau 'dim anifeiliaid anwes' mewn llety rhent. Galwaf ar Luke Fletcher i wneud y cynnig.
English: The proposal is to note the proposal. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] Yes. I will, therefore, defer voting on the motion until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid nodi'r cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Oes. Felly, gohiriaf y bleidlais ar y cynnig tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: Item 8 today is a statement by the Chair of the Standards of Conduct Committee on the procedure for dealing with complaints against Members of the Senedd. I call on the Chair of the committee, Vikki Howells.
Welsh: Eitem 8 heddiw yw datganiad gan Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Safonau Ymddygiad ar y weithdrefn ar gyfer ymdrin â chwynion yn erbyn Aelodau o'r Senedd. Galwaf ar Gadeirydd y pwyllgor, Vikki Howells.