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English: Deputy Presiding Officer, I'm going to agree with Steffan Lewis this afternoon. Steffan Lewis has said that a tourism tax would be an additional burden and not something that Plaid Cymru can support at this time. So, I agree with Steffan Lewis's comments. Now, the Cabinet Secretary has commented this afternoon on our debate. What I would say is that one thing I am pleased the Cabinet Secretary has said is that he will make a decision in the new year: that I very much welcome, because I really believe that even the suggestion of a tourism tax is causing great damage to the industry. In fact, it's already causing damage. It's already causing damage. So, the sooner we can have a clear statement that this will be taken off the table the better. And I should say as well that when the Cabinet Secretary does make his decision, I very much hope that he will also say - [Interruption.] He will also say -
Welsh: Dirprwy Lywydd, rwy'n mynd i gytuno â Steffan Lewis y prynhawn yma. Mae Steffan Lewis wedi dweud y buasai treth dwristiaeth yn faich ychwanegol ac nid yn rhywbeth y gall Plaid Cymru ei gefnogi ar hyn o bryd. Felly, rwy'n cytuno â sylwadau Steffan Lewis. Nawr, mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wedi rhoi sylwadau y prynhawn yma ar ein dadl. Hoffwn ddweud mai un peth rwy'n falch fod Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wedi ei ddweud yw y bydd yn gwneud penderfyniad yn y flwyddyn newydd: rwy'n croesawu hynny'n fawr iawn, oherwydd rwy'n credu o ddifrif fod hyd yn oed awgrym o dreth dwristiaeth yn achosi niwed mawr i'r diwydiant. Yn wir, mae eisoes yn achosi niwed. Mae eisoes yn achosi niwed. Felly, gorau po gyntaf y cawn ddatganiad clir y bydd hyn yn cael ei dynnu'n ôl. A dylwn ddweud hefyd, pan fydd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn gwneud ei benderfyniad, rwy'n gobeithio'n fawr y bydd yn dweud hefyd - [Torri ar draws.] Bydd yn dweud hefyd -
English: Can we listen?
Welsh: A gawn ni wrando?
English: [Continues.] - that this will be taken off the table for the rest of this Assembly term.
Welsh: [Yn parhau.] - y bydd hyn yn cael ei dynnu'n ôl am weddill y tymor Cynulliad hwn.
English: Thank you, Presiding Officer. I've tried my best over the last minute to contribute to this debate, but I've been shouted down, but thank you, Presiding Officer.
Welsh: Diolch i chi, Llywydd. Rwyf wedi ceisio fy ngorau dros y funud olaf i gyfrannu at y ddadl hon, ond ceisiwyd rhoi taw arnaf, ond diolch i chi, Llywydd.
English: Well, just carry on with it if you've got anything else to say. Or sit down.
Welsh: Wel, parhewch os oes gennych unrhyw beth arall i'w ddweud. Neu eisteddwch.
English: When the Cabinet Secretary announces in the new year, I hope that this proposal will be dropped. What I would call on him to do is to ask him to ensure that this proposal is dropped for the rest of this Assembly term, because that's the assurance that is needed by the tourism sector and businesses across Wales. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.
Welsh: Pan fydd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn cyhoeddi yn y flwyddyn newydd, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y cynnig hwn yn cael ei dynnu'n ôl. Yr hyn y buaswn yn galw arno i wneud yw gofyn iddo sicrhau bod y cynnig hwn yn cael ei dynnu'n ôl dros weddill y tymor Cynulliad hwn, oherwydd dyna yw'r sicrwydd sydd ei angen ar y sector twristiaeth a busnesau ledled Cymru. Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd.
English: Thank you very much. The proposal is to agree - [Interruption.] Can Members calm down and stop making sedentary comments when we're actually moving on? The proposal is to agree the motion - [Assembly Members: Hear, hear.] The proposal is to agree the motion without amendment. Does any Member object? [Objection.] Thank you. Therefore, we will defer voting on this item until voting time.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Y cynnig yw derbyn - [Torri ar draws.] A wnaiff yr Aelodau ymdawelu a rhoi'r gorau i wneud sylwadau ar eich eistedd a ninnau'n symud ymlaen mewn gwirionedd? Y cynnig yw derbyn y cynnig - [Aelodau o'r Cynulliad: Clywch, clywch.] Y cynnig yw derbyn y cynnig heb ei ddiwygio. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [Gwrthwynebiad.] Diolch yn fawr. Felly, gohiriwn y pleidleisio ar yr eitem hon tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: We will now move on to the Plaid Cymru debate on universal credit, and I call on Bethan Jenkins to move the motion.
Welsh: Symudwn ymlaen yn awr at ddadl Plaid Cymru ar y credyd cynhwysol, a galwaf ar Bethan Jenkins i gynnig y cynnig.
English: Well, you can come in if you want to make an intervention. I'm happy for you to confirm your views in that e-mail.
Welsh: Wel, gallwch ddod i mewn os ydych am wneud ymyriad. Rwy'n hapus i chi gadarnhau eich safbwyntiau yn yr e-bost hwnnw.
English: If Members would just carry on speaking and I'll decide who's going to be able to get up and speak, and if you could keep quiet to listen, as well.
Welsh: Os gwnaiff yr Aelodau barhau i siarad, fe benderfynaf pwy sy'n mynd i gael codi i siarad, ac os gallech gadw'n ddistaw i wrando, yn ogystal.
English: Thank you very much. I have selected the two amendments to the motion. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 is deselected. I call on Mark Isherwood to move amendment 1, tabled in the name of Paul Davies.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rwyf wedi dethol y ddau welliant i'r cynnig. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, caiff gwelliant 2 ei ddad-ddethol. Galwaf ar Mark Isherwood i gynnig gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Paul Davies.
English: I heard what he just said about how the roll-out will allow these issues to be ironed out, going forward. Can he understand, therefore, why we have it trialled in Torfaen and Flintshire here in Wales, and today, in fact, in the last 10 minutes, the Welsh Local Government Association has said, on the basis of those trials, it should be paused in Wales for reflection?
Welsh: Clywais yr hyn y mae newydd ei ddweud am y modd y bydd y broses o gyflwyno'n galluogi'r materion hyn i gael eu datrys, wrth symud ymlaen. A all ddeall, felly, pam rydym wedi ei dreialu yn Nhorfaen a Sir y Fflint yma yng Nghymru, a heddiw, mewn gwirionedd, yn y 10 munud diwethaf, mae Cymdeithas Llywodraeth Leol Cymru wedi dweud, ar sail y treialon hynny, y dylid ei atal am y tro yng Nghymru ar gyfer ystyried?
English: Thank you very much. I call on the Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Children to formally move amendment 2, tabled in the name of Jane Hutt.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Galwaf ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Gymunedau a Phlant i gynnig gwelliant 2, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Jane Hutt yn ffurfiol.
English: [Continues.] - complaining from the sidelines without any ability to mitigate, to modify or to change policies. I give way to the Cabinet Secretary.
Welsh: [Yn parhau.] - yn cwyno ar y cyrion heb unrhyw allu i liniaru, i addasu neu newid polisïau. Ildiaf i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet.
English: Thank you. Just for clarity, are you aware how much it costs the Scottish Government to implement just the administration process of this; not the benefit end of it - just purely the administration, providing the ability to do this?
Welsh: Diolch. Er eglurder yn unig, a ydych yn ymwybodol faint y mae'n ei gostio i Lywodraeth yr Alban weithredu proses weinyddu hyn yn unig; nid y pen budd-daliadau ohono - y weinyddiaeth yn unig, sy'n darparu'r gallu i wneud hyn?
English: I don't have that figure to hand. Would you like to tell me?
Welsh: Nid oes gennyf ffigur wrth law. A hoffech chi ddweud wrthyf?
English: It's £200 million upfront that they pay and £66 million each year just for the administration costs paid to the DWP. That's the issue I have with the administration process here. We should be doing something very different. They should be doing this automatically, not charging Scotland or us to do that. That's the challenge we face.
Welsh: Maent yn talu £200 miliwn ymlaen llaw a £66 miliwn bob blwyddyn ar gyfer y costau gweinyddol yn unig a delir i'r Adran Gwaith a Phensiynau. Dyna'r broblem sydd gennyf gyda'r broses weinyddu yma. Dylem fod yn gwneud rhywbeth gwahanol iawn. Dylent fod yn gwneud hyn yn awtomatig, nid codi tâl ar yr Alban neu arnom ni i wneud hynny. Dyna'r her sy'n ein hwynebu.
English: But the point is the principle, isn't it? While Westminster - [Interruption.] While Westminster are making - . While Westminster are making decisions that are increasing homelessness and pushing the people that you are responsible for into hardship, this is something that you should be prepared to consider. Instead of the Westminster way - [Interruption.]
Welsh: Ond y pwynt yw'r egwyddor, onid e? Tra bo San Steffan - [Torri ar draws.]. Tra bo San Steffan yn gwneud - . Tra bo San Steffan yn gwneud penderfyniadau sy'n cynyddu digartrefedd ac yn gwthio'r bobl rydych yn gyfrifol amdanynt i galedi, mae hyn yn rhywbeth y dylech fod yn barod i'w ystyried. Yn lle ffordd San Steffan - [Torri ar draws.]
English: Can you settle down, please?
Welsh: A wnewch chi ymdawelu, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: Instead of the Westminster way, which is failing so many of our citizens, we should be prepared to take responsibility ourselves, and the Assembly should support a Welsh way on welfare. A Welsh way would be based on evidence, on humanity and on justice. That would build a safety net that supports those in need: dignity instead of debt, hope instead of hunger - why not?
Welsh: Yn lle ffordd San Steffan, sy'n gwneud cam â chymaint o'n dinasyddion, dylem fod yn barod i ysgwyddo'r cyfrifoldeb ein hunain, a dylai'r Cynulliad gefnogi ffordd Gymreig ar fater lles. Byddai ffordd Gymreig yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth, ar ddyngarwch ac ar gyfiawnder. Byddai hynny'n creu rhwyd ddiogelwch sy'n cefnogi'r rhai sydd mewn angen: urddas yn hytrach na dyled, gobaith yn hytrach na newyn - pam ddim?
English: No, I don't think you can give way because you are out of time yourself. So, if you could wind up, please.
Welsh: Na, nid wyf yn meddwl y gallwch ildio oherwydd mae eich amser eich hun wedi dod i ben. Felly, os gallwch ddirwyn i ben, os gwelwch yn dda.
English: Well, I think it is worth just underlining the massive amount of money that comes into Wales additionally over the block grant as a result of welfare benefits. I think that we would be going down a very, very dangerous avenue if we opened up that can of worms.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n meddwl ei bod yn werth tanlinellu'r swm enfawr o arian sy'n dod i Gymru yn ychwanegol at y grant bloc o ganlyniad i fudd-daliadau lles. Rwy'n meddwl y buasem yn mynd ar drywydd peryglus iawn pe baem yn dilyn y llwybr cynhennus hwnnw.
English: I'm grateful to the Member for giving way, and that is an important point, because, of course, the devolution of budget for the whole of the welfare system would be an enormous challenge to us, given the fiscal constraints of the country. But the administration of welfare is another matter, and, of course, the Cabinet Secretary pointed to the administrative costs earlier. The block grant in Scotland was adjusted the year prior to the devolution of the administration of justice, so that there was a top-up to the block grant in Scotland for the administration costs, the initial costs. So, it isn't just a matter of starting from a complete baseline. However, that does pose, of course, serious questions.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelod am ildio, ac mae hwnnw'n bwynt pwysig, oherwydd, wrth gwrs, buasai datganoli cyllideb ar gyfer yr holl system les yn her enfawr i ni, o ystyried cyfyngiadau cyllidol y wlad. Ond mae gweinyddu lles yn fater arall, ac wrth gwrs, nododd Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet y costau gweinyddol yn gynharach. Addaswyd y grant bloc yn yr Alban yn y flwyddyn cyn datganoli gweinyddu cyfiawnder fel bod swm ychwanegol i'r grant bloc yn yr Alban ar gyfer costau gweinyddu, y costau cychwynnol. Felly, nid mater o ddechrau o linell sylfaen ydyw'n llwyr. Fodd bynnag, mae hynny'n arwain at gwestiynau difrifol wrth gwrs.
English: But Welsh local authorities will be paying the price anyway for Tory welfare reform, so we'd be picking up the tab one way or another anyway.
Welsh: Ond bydd awdurdodau lleol Cymru'n talu'r pris beth bynnag am ddiwygio lles Torïaidd, felly buasem yn talu'r gost un ffordd neu'r llall beth bynnag.
English: Thank you for that explanation. In Scotland when some welfare powers were devolved, the UK Government did actually work out how much needed to be added to the block grant and a baseline was put in place. So, there are ways around these financial problems, and we are talking here about the administration - and that's what we must emphasise time after time. And that is the point: if we were able to get hold of the administrative levers, we could change some elements of the benefits system. It's too easy to cast the blame on the Tories in London. Yes, we should, of course, point out that this is part of an ideological crusade in terms of welfare reform, but we need to do more than that; we need to provide solutions, and this is one solution that we're proposing here today: give us administrative control here in Wales, so that we can create a fair system. And if you believe in the creation of a fair system in Wales, well, if you're not persuaded today then just look into it and come with us to look for alternative ways to move forward, to create a system that doesn't militate against the most vulnerable in our society. Everyone who wants a better system should work towards this end. You've heard about creating a shield to protect Wales from the extremes of the Conservatives and the UK state. Well, administrative control of part of the welfare system would be a shield against some of the extremes of universal credit and an utterly unfair system.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn am esbonio hynny. Hynny yw, yn yr Alban, pan ddatganolwyd rhai pwerau lles, fe ddaru Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig weithio allan faint i'w ychwanegu at y 'block grant' ac fe grëwyd gwaelodlin. Felly, mae yna ffordd o gwmpas y problemau ariannol, a sôn yr ydym ni am y gweinyddu - ac mae'n rhaid pwysleisio hynny dro ar ôl tro. A dyna ydy'r pwynt: petaem ni yn medru cael gafael ar y gweinyddu, mi fyddem ni'n gallu newid rhai elfennau o'r system fudd-daliadau. Mae'n rhy hawdd lluchio'r bai at y Torïaid yn Llundain. Oes, mae eisiau pwyntio allan bod hyn yn rhan o grwsâd ideolegol y diwygio lles, ond mae eisiau gwneud mwy na hynny, ac mae eisiau cynnig atebion, ac dyma un ateb yn cael ei gynnig yn fan hyn heddiw: rhowch y gweinyddu i ni yng Nghymru, fel ein bod ni'n gallu creu system deg. Ac, os ydych chi'n coelio mewn creu system deg yng Nghymru, wel, os nad ydych chi'n cael eich perswadio heddiw yma, edrychwch i mewn iddi a dewch efo ni i edrych am ffyrdd inni fedru symud ymlaen i greu system sydd ddim yn milwrio yn erbyn pobl fwyaf gwan ein cymdeithas ni. Mi ddylai pawb sy'n deisyfu gwell gyfundrefn weithio tuag at hyn. Rydych chi wedi clywed am greu tarian i warchod Cymru rhag eithafion y Ceidwadwyr a'r wladwriaeth Brydeinig. Wel, byddai gweinyddu rhannau o'r system fudd-daliadau ein hunain yn darian yn erbyn rhai o eithafion credyd cynhwysol a system hollol anhrugarog.
English: Yes. So, in general, we agree that this is a massive problem. The other issue that no-one's talked about, which I don't have time to go into, is that there is no meaningful way of retraining people through the system at the moment, and that is the crucial element. If you're going to get people into work, why is there no real emphasis on retraining them and getting them into meaningful employment? Thank you very much.
Welsh: Ydw. Felly, yn gyffredinol, rydym yn cytuno bod hon yn broblem enfawr. Y broblem arall nad oes neb wedi siarad amdani, ac nad oes gennyf amser i'w thrafod, yw nad oes unrhyw ffordd ystyrlon o ailhyfforddi pobl drwy'r system ar hyn o bryd, a dyna'r elfen hanfodol. Os ydych yn mynd i gael pobl i weithio, pam nad oes unrhyw bwyslais go iawn ar eu hailhyfforddi a'u cael i mewn i gyflogaeth ystyrlon? Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: I thank the Cabinet Secretary for giving way. He makes the absolutely appropriate point. The tragedy of this - . There are human tragedies and we're seeing them unfold now and it's going to get a lot worse, but the governmental tragedy of this is that it has been trialled. The evidence has been clear, not for the last six weeks or six months, but in the years that this has been trialled from the very instigation of this, that the design was wrong, and they can make it right. I think, actually, the reflection of Members - including some Conservative MPs and including some on the benches here as well, I have to say - is the compassion that says, 'Let's make this policy work. Fix it at that end so that it genuinely makes it worth going to work and work will pay.' It can be done and they should be doing it now, and they could do it.
Welsh: Diolch i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am ildio. Mae'n gwneud y pwynt hollol briodol. Trasiedi hyn - . Ceir trychinebau dynol ac rydym yn eu gweld yn datblygu yn awr ac mae'n mynd i fynd yn llawer gwaeth, ond trasiedi lywodraethol hyn yw ei fod wedi cael ei dreialu. Mae'r dystiolaeth wedi bod yn glir, nid ers y chwe wythnos neu'r chwe mis diwethaf, ond yn y blynyddoedd y cafodd hyn ei dreialu o'r dechrau un, fod y cynllun yn anghywir, a gallant ei wneud yn iawn. Rwy'n meddwl, mewn gwirionedd, mai'r hyn y mae'r Aelodau'n ei feddwl - gan gynnwys rhai Aelodau Seneddol Ceidwadol ac yn cynnwys rhai ar y meinciau yma hefyd, rhaid i mi ddweud - yw'r trugaredd sy'n dweud, 'Gadewch inni wneud i'r polisi weithio. Ei gyweirio ar y pen hwnnw fel ei fod yn ei gwneud hi'n werth mynd i'r gwaith go iawn ac y bydd gwaith yn talu.' Gellir ei wneud a dylent ei wneud yn awr, a gallent ei wneud.
English: The Member is right in what he says. We are pressing the UK Government in that space. What we do know is that a failure to - [Interruption.]
Welsh: Mae'r Aelod yn iawn yn yr hyn y mae'n ei ddweud. Rydym yn pwyso ar Lywodraeth y DU yn y gofod hwnnw. Yr hyn a wyddom yw bod methiant i - [Torri ar draws.]
English: Excuse me, can we stop having discussions amongst the benches, please? We will listen to the Cabinet Secretary. I don't want to tell anyone to be quiet, but you're pushing me today and it's because it's the end of term, I'm sure. So, we'll listen to the Cabinet Secretary, please.
Welsh: Esgusodwch fi, a gawn ni ymatal rhag cael trafodaethau rhwng y meinciau, os gwelwch yn dda? Rydym am wrando ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Nid wyf am ddweud wrth unrhyw un am fod yn dawel, ond rydych yn fy ngwthio heddiw ac am ei bod ddiwedd tymor, rwy'n siwr. Felly, fe wrandawn ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, os gwelwch yn dda.
English: I'm grateful, Llywydd. What we don't recognise here is that, actually, a claimant who fails to turn up to one of the meetings, for whatever reason - illness or, as the Member said earlier on, going to work - actually is sanctioned. Well, maybe we should start those sanctions with the MPs who didn't turn up in Parliament, the Tory MPs who didn't vote in the universal credit debate. That's where we perhaps should start. I'm grateful for Members' contributions here, but I was slightly surprised at the contribution made by the leader of Plaid Cymru in terms of the process for introducing the benefit to Wales. When I asked her about the cost of this, the Member was completely unsighted. Actually, this principle of what she's trying to achieve is - . I don't disagree with her, but, actually, you haven't done the homework about the Scottish Government paying £200 million upfront and then £66 million annually just to administer this - nothing to do with the benefit system at all - when actually the UK Government, if it's the right thing to do, should be doing it in the first place.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Yr hyn nad ydym yn ei gydnabod yma, mewn gwirionedd, yw bod hawlydd sy'n methu mynd i un o'r cyfarfodydd, am ba reswm bynnag - salwch, neu fynd i weithio, fel y dywedodd yr Aelod yn gynharach - yn cael ei sancsiynu mewn gwirionedd. Wel, efallai y dylem ddechrau'r sancsiynau hynny gyda'r ASau na fynychodd y Senedd, yr ASau Torïaidd na bleidleisiodd yn y ddadl ar y credyd cynhwysol. Dyna ble y dylem ddechrau efallai. Rwy'n ddiolchgar am gyfraniadau'r Aelodau yma, ond roeddwn yn synnu braidd at gyfraniad arweinydd Plaid Cymru o ran y broses o gyflwyno'r budd-dal i Gymru. Pan ofynnais iddi am gost hyn, nid oedd gan yr Aelod syniad o gwbl. A dweud y gwir, egwyddor yr hyn y mae'n ceisio ei gyflawni yw - . Nid wyf yn anghytuno â hi, ond mewn gwirionedd, nid ydych wedi gwneud y gwaith cartref am Lywodraeth yr Alban yn talu £200 miliwn ymlaen llaw ac yna £66 miliwn y flwyddyn i weinyddu hyn yn unig - dim i'w wneud â'r system fudd-daliadau o gwbl - pan ddylai Llywodraeth y DU, os mai dyna'r peth iawn i'w wneud, fod yn ei wneud yn y lle cyntaf.
English: Of course I will, yes.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs y gwnaf.
English: The point I made in an earlier intervention was that the Scottish Government managed to negotiate a fiscal framework that allowed an adjustment to the Barnett block in order to administer welfare in Scotland. Is he saying that he doesn't have the confidence to go up to London and negotiate a settlement for Wales so that he can administer welfare here and end the injustice now?
Welsh: Y pwynt a wneuthum wrth ymyrryd yn gynharach oedd bod Llywodraeth yr Alban wedi llwyddo i negodi fframwaith cyllidol a oedd yn caniatáu addasiad i'r bloc Barnett er mwyn gweinyddu lles yn yr Alban. A yw'n dweud nad oes ganddo hyder i fynd i Lundain i negodi setliad ar gyfer Cymru er mwyn iddo allu gweinyddu lles yma a dod â'r anghyfiawnder i ben yn awr?
English: Let me tell you that I've been to London and I've talked with Lord Freud about the very issues that your colleague mentioned, particularly about women's issues and the way that claims are made. But what the Member should really consider - [Interruption.] What the leader of the opposition - . What the leader of Plaid Cymru, I should say, should consider is that, actually, her contribution was a weak one when she didn't even know the numbers. So, we may park that there. Let me point out to the Member's intervention that, actually, if he thinks it is right to pay £266 million in the first year for administration costs when the UK Government can do this at the stroke of a pen or by just telling the computer, 'This is how we want the system to operate', and when we could use that money more carefully for supported intervention, the Member has a long way to consider the intervention on this.
Welsh: Gadewch i mi ddweud wrthych fy mod wedi bod yn Llundain ac rwyf wedi siarad â'r Arglwydd Freud am yr union faterion a grybwyllodd eich cyd-Aelod, yn enwedig ynglŷn â materion menywod a'r ffordd y caiff ceisiadau eu gwneud. Ond yr hyn y dylai'r Aelod ei ystyried go iawn - [Torri ar draws.] Yr hyn y dylai arweinydd yr wrthblaid - . Yr hyn y dylai arweinydd Plaid Cymru, dylwn ddweud, ei ystyried yw bod ei chyfraniad, mewn gwirionedd, yn un gwan pan nad oedd hi hyd yn oed yn gwybod y ffigurau. Felly, gallwn ei adael yn y fan honno. Gadewch i mi nodi ymyriad yr Aelod sydd, mewn gwirionedd, os yw'n credu ei bod yn iawn talu £266 miliwn yn y flwyddyn gyntaf ar gyfer costau gweinyddu pan all Llywodraeth y DU wneud hyn drwy godi beiro neu drwy ddweud wrth y cyfrifiadur, 'Dyma sut rydym am i'r system weithredu', a phan allem ddefnyddio'r arian hwnnw'n fwy gofalus ar gyfer ymyrraeth gyda chefnogaeth, mae ffordd hir gan yr Aelod i ystyried yr ymyriad ar hyn.
English: I'm not going to take any more interventions from Members because - [Interruption.] Well -
Welsh: Nid wyf yn mynd i dderbyn rhagor o ymyriadau gan Aelodau oherwydd - [Torri ar draws.] Wel -
English: The issue here, Llywydd, is making sure that what we do here is fit for purpose, protecting our most vulnerable in our communities. Plaid Cymru have obviously brought to the table a thoughtful consideration for the Chamber -
Welsh: Y mater yn y fan hon, Llywydd, yw gwneud yn siŵr fod yr hyn a wnawn yma'n addas i'r diben, gan ddiogelu ein pobl fwyaf agored i niwed yn ein cymunedau. Mae Plaid Cymru yn amlwg wedi cyflwyno ystyriaeth feddylgar i'r Siambr -
English: No, he's not giving way.
Welsh: Na, nid yw'n ildio.
English: [Continues.] - but they haven't fully thought that process through, particularly on the costs around this.
Welsh: [Yn parhau.] - ond nid ydynt wedi ystyried y broses honno'n llawn, yn enwedig costau gwneud hyn.