English: Clearly, this is more devastating news for the steel industry in Wales and the individuals involved, who are now concerned that there will be more impacts on jobs here in Wales, though, of course, it is very uncertain at this point where the axe is going to fall. I think it's clear also that we have a case here of workers, wherever those jobs go, paying the price for the way that joint venture with ThyssenKrupp collapsed, and the lack of plan B in the event of the collapse of that joint venture. And it's come to my attention, certainly, that unions had warned Tata on multiple occasions that they shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket; they should have their eyes on other options too. And I'd be interested in hearing from the Minister what similar warnings Welsh Government would have voiced. It's been, certainly in my six years as an Assembly Member, a time of relentless uncertainty. Somehow, announcement after announcement of job losses, the odd reprieve every now and then, and I'm grateful for when finances have been made available for various projects that have given a lifeline at various points. I certainly agree with the Minister when he says that UK Government needs to pull its finger out. To me, it's not showing that it is doing what it can to support this vitally important industry to Wales. Also, I question what influence you in Welsh Government believe you have, because, yes, Welsh Government has engaged positively, it has made money available through training schemes for various power schemes, and research and development as well, but what influence do you genuinely believe you have? And with jobs at risk, at best now, is there even an element of influencing your engagement with Tata now to protect those jobs that the millions of pounds of Welsh Government money has been able to do in terms of training? Are those jobs that have been trained up using Welsh Government money safe? Are those jobs that have benefited directly from assistance packages over the past few years going to be protected because you believe you have some sort of influence? The issue of Orb steel in Newport is one that is concerning, too, of course. We have Tata here saying that they want to diversify into new products - products that future markets will need. We know that's what was being produced in Newport. And when you said a minute ago that you had asked Tata's chief executive for sufficient time to consider proposals that had been put on the table, could you give us an idea of what 'sufficient time' means? What is the timescale here? And, you know, when I and my party have been talking about convening a major manufacturing summit for Wales to really start mapping out the shape of manufacturing in Wales for years to come, the kind of thing I have in mind is a manufacturing sector, an industrial base, that needs Orb to be in Newport, that has ambitions, be it in electric vehicle manufacture or associated elements of the EV sector, that needs Orb to be in Newport. And that in itself could help make the case. So, I'll leave it there for now. It's a relief, in a way, that job losses, where they happen, aren't due to happen until, I believe, March 2021, which at least buys a little time. But we need to know now that Welsh Government, of course, is trying to use its influence, as much as it believes it has, whilst at the same time looking to UK Government to show that it's serious about the steel industry.
Welsh: Yn amlwg, mae hyn yn rhagor o newyddion ofnadwy i'r diwydiant dur yng Nghymru a'r unigolion cysylltiedig, sydd bellach yn pryderu y bydd rhagor o effaith ar swyddi yma yng Nghymru, er, wrth gwrs, mae'n ansicr iawn ar hyn o bryd lle y bydd y toriadau'n digwydd. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn glir hefyd fod gennym ni achos yma o weithwyr, ble bynnag mae'r swyddi hynny'n mynd, yn talu'r pris am y ffordd yr aeth y fenter ar y cyd â ThyssenKrupp i'r wal, a'r diffyg cynllun B pe bai'r cyd-fenter yn chwalu. Mae wedi dod i fy sylw i, yn sicr, fod undebau wedi rhybuddio Tata ar sawl achlysur na ddylen nhw ddibynnu'n llwyr ar un opsiwn; fe ddylen nhw edrych ar opsiynau eraill hefyd. A byddai gennyf ddiddordeb mewn clywed gan y Gweinidog pa rybuddion tebyg y byddai Llywodraeth Cymru wedi'u rhoi. Yn sicr, yn ystod fy chwe blynedd fel Aelod Cynulliad, mae wedi bod yn gyfnod o ansicrwydd di-baid. Rywsut, cyhoeddiad ar ôl cyhoeddiad am golli swyddi, gohirio bob hyn a hyn, ac rwy'n ddiolchgar am yr adegau y mae cyllid wedi'i ddarparu ar gyfer prosiectau amrywiol sydd wedi rhoi achubiaeth ar wahanol adegau. Rwy'n sicr yn cytuno â'r Gweinidog pan ddywed fod angen i Lywodraeth y DU dynnu ei bys allan. I mi, nid yw'n dangos ei bod yn gwneud popeth o fewn ei gallu i gefnogi'r diwydiant hynod bwysig hwn i Gymru. Hefyd, rwy'n cwestiynu pa ddylanwad yr ydych chi yn Llywodraeth Cymru yn ei gredu sydd gennych chi. Ydy, mae Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymgysylltu'n gadarnhaol, mae wedi darparu arian drwy gynlluniau hyfforddi ar gyfer gwahanol gynlluniau pŵer, ac ymchwil a datblygu hefyd. Ond pa ddylanwad sydd gennych chi mewn gwirionedd? Gyda swyddi mewn perygl, ar yr ochr orau nawr, a oes elfen hyd yn oed o ddylanwadu ar eich cysylltiad â Tata er mwyn diogelu'r swyddi hynny a gafodd miliynau o bunnoedd o arian Llywodraeth Cymru ar gyfer hyfforddiant? A yw'r swyddi hynny a gafodd eu hyfforddi gan ddefnyddio arian Llywodraeth Cymru yn ddiogel? A yw'r swyddi hynny sydd wedi elwa'n uniongyrchol o becynnau cymorth yn ystod yr ychydig flynyddoedd diwethaf yn mynd i gael eu gwarchod oherwydd eich bod yn credu bod gennych chi ryw fath o ddylanwad? Mae'r mater o ddur Orb yng Nghasnewydd yn un sy'n peri pryder hefyd, wrth gwrs. Mae gennym ni Tata yma yn dweud eu bod am arallgyfeirio i gynhyrchion newydd - cynhyrchion y bydd eu hangen ar farchnadoedd yn y dyfodol. Gwyddom mai dyna oedd yn cael ei gynhyrchu yng Nghasnewydd. A phan ddywedasoch funud yn ôl eich bod wedi gofyn i brif weithredwr Tata am ddigon o amser i ystyried cynigion a oedd wedi'u rhoi ar y bwrdd, a allech chi roi syniad inni o'r hyn a olygir gan 'ddigon o amser '? Beth yw'r amserlen? Ac yna, wyddoch chi, pan wyf i a'm plaid wedi bod yn siarad am gynnal uwch-gynhadledd weithgynhyrchu sylweddol i Gymru er mwyn dechrau mapio siâp gweithgynhyrchu yng Nghymru am flynyddoedd i ddod, y math o beth sydd gennyf i mewn golwg yw sector gweithgynhyrchu, sylfaen ddiwydiannol, lle mae angen i Orb fod yng Nghasnewydd, un sydd ag uchelgeisiau, boed hynny'n weithgynhyrchu cerbydau trydan neu'n elfennau cysylltiedig o'r sector cerbydau trydan, lle mae angen i Orb fod yng Nghasnewydd. A byddai hynny ynddo'i hun yn gallu helpu i ddadlau'r achos. Felly, byddaf yn ei adael yno am nawr. Mae'n rhyddhad, mewn ffordd, nad yw colli swyddi, lle mae hynny'n digwydd, yn mynd i ddigwydd tan, rwy'n credu, fis Mawrth 2021, sydd o leiaf yn rhoi ychydig o amser. Ond mae angen inni wybod nawr bod Llywodraeth Cymru, wrth gwrs, yn ceisio defnyddio ei dylanwad, cyn gymaint ag y mae'n credu sydd ganddi, gan edrych ar yr un pryd tuag at Lywodraeth y DU i ddangos ei bod o ddifrif am y diwydiant dur.