English: Well, I'm going to satisfy Andrew R.T. Davies by saying that we will support the motion and the amendments. And I agree with everything that's been said by Llyr Gruffydd and also by Andrew R.T. Davies. I've always seen Brexit as an opportunity for Welsh agriculture. There is a challenge, obviously - any major change of this kind is bound to be a challenge, but looking at the medium to the long term, I think that Welsh farming can benefit very significantly from Brexit, because it does enable us to put together our own tailor-made policy for Wales. And Wales is very different from other parts of the United Kingdom, particularly from England, in the farming sector, and I've pointed out previously in questions to the agriculture Secretary - whatever she's now called - that the common agricultural policy means more to farmers in Wales than it does in England, because it can make up to 80 per cent of farm incomes in Wales, whereas the average in England is only 55 per cent. And 85 per cent of farm subsidies that are currently paid in Wales are under pillar 1 rather than pillar 2, so that proves the importance of the question of stability to which Llyr Gruffydd referred in his opening speech. Given that the basic payment scheme is so overwhelmingly important to Welsh farmers, moving from reliance upon that to some other policy should take us, I think, a considerable period of time. If you've got 85 per cent of your money being spent at the moment in the form of a basic payment, I wonder about some of the schemes that the Cabinet Secretary has in mind - what they might contain to replace it. There is no doubt that there's a great deal of uncertainty in the farming sector that's created by the Government's announcement on top of the Brexit shambles, which has been created by Theresa May. Given that - [ Interruption. ] I had no hand in Theresa May's decisions whatsoever, unfortunately, otherwise we wouldn't, perhaps, now be having so many debates. I've been perfectly consistent in my view since I joined the Anti-Common Market League in 1967. So, this is something that has been a thread that has gone throughout my entire life. But to return to the motion, this is particularly important - the stability for those who farm in less favoured areas, and 80 per cent of the uplands of Wales are less favoured areas, and 84 per cent of those holdings depend upon cattle and sheep, and that is essential to preserve the landscape and to promote biodiversity. So, I can see that the resilience schemes and the public goods schemes can march together in this area, but the sums of money that are involved for each individual farmer are significant and the schemes need to be well designed. So, I think the Cabinet Secretary is moving in the right direction, but I'm concerned about the speed with which this is going to be implemented. Generally speaking, basic payment schemes feed through into land values rather than into farm incomes. That is a major flaw in them, so I think it is right to move away from basic payments. But where you've got upland farms and others that are marginal and can never be made properly commercial without some kind of public support, I do believe we need to have some specific scheme designed to meet their needs. Otherwise, we do risk not just businesses going out of production but also the environmental consequences that would flow from that, which would be disastrous. Wilding on the hills I think is a major problem that we need to reverse. Anything that might inadvertently contribute to greater wilding on the hills I think is to be opposed. Farmers work very hard for very little return in terms of income. I think the average farm income is about £23,000 a year. So, the basic payment is an absolutely vital element in keeping people on the land producing food and all the other consequences that flow from that. So, I would just plead with the Cabinet Secretary not to move too fast in the direction of basic payment support and moving to more environmentally based schemes, although I do think that she's moving in the right direction. What we have to do also, of course, is to take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit brings. If there is no deal, or, more correctly, if we leave the EU on World Trade Organization terms, there are going to be massive tariffs on trade between Britain and the EU. And given that we're only about two thirds self-sufficient in food production in the United Kingdom, this is a massive opportunity for import substitution, and that's good news I think for British farmers and for Welsh farmers in particular.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n mynd i fodloni Andrew R.T. Davies drwy ddweud y byddwn yn cefnogi'r cynnig a'r gwelliannau. A chytunaf â phopeth a ddywedodd Llyr Gruffydd ac Andrew R.T. Davies hefyd. Rwyf bob amser wedi ystyried bod Brexit yn gyfle i amaethyddiaeth yng Nghymru. Mae yna her, wrth gwrs - mae unrhyw newid mawr o'r math hwn yn sicr o fod yn her, ond wrth edrych ar y tymor canolig i'r tymor hir, credaf y gall ffermio yng Nghymru elwa'n sylweddol iawn o Brexit, oherwydd mae'n ein galluogi i lunio ein polisi ein hunain wedi'i deilwra'n arbennig ar gyfer Cymru. Ac mae Cymru'n wahanol iawn i rannau eraill o'r Deyrnas Unedig, yn enwedig Lloegr, yn y sector ffermio, ac rwyf wedi nodi o'r blaen mewn cwestiynau i'r Ysgrifennydd amaethyddiaeth - beth bynnag y caiff ei galw bellach - fod y polisi amaethyddol cyffredin yn golygu mwy i ffermwyr yng Nghymru nag y mae'n ei wneud yn Lloegr, oherwydd gall ffurfio hyd at 80 y cant o incwm ffermydd yng Nghymru, tra mai 55 y cant yn unig yw'r cyfartaledd yn Lloegr. Ac mae 85 y cant o'r cymorthdaliadau fferm a delir ar hyn o bryd yng Nghymru o dan golofn 1 yn hytrach na cholofn 2, felly mae hynny'n profi pwysigrwydd mater sefydlogrwydd y cyfeiriodd Llyr Gruffydd ato yn ei araith agoriadol. Gan fod cynllun y taliad sylfaenol mor hynod o bwysig i ffermwyr Cymru, rwy'n credu y bydd symud o ddibyniaeth arno i bolisi arall yn cymryd cryn dipyn o amser i ni. Os oes gennych 85 y cant o'ch arian yn cael ei wario ar hyn o bryd ar ffurf taliad sylfaenol, rwy'n meddwl am rai o'r cynlluniau sydd gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet mewn golwg - beth y gallent ei gynnwys i gymryd eu lle. Nid oes amheuaeth fod llawer iawn o ansicrwydd yn y sector ffermio wedi'i greu gan gyhoeddiad y Llywodraeth ar ben llanastr Brexit, a grëwyd gan Theresa May. O gofio bod - [ T orri ar draws. ] Nid oedd gennyf unrhyw ran o gwbl ym mhenderfyniadau Theresa May, yn anffodus, fel arall ni fyddem yn cael cymaint o ddadleuon yn awr o bosibl. Rwyf wedi bod yn berffaith gyson fy marn i ers i mi ymuno â'r Gynghrair Gwrth-Farchnad Gyffredin ym 1967. Felly, mae'n edefyn sydd wedi rhedeg drwy gydol fy mywyd ar ei hyd. Ond i ddychwelyd at y cynnig, mae hyn yn arbennig o bwysig - sefydlogrwydd i'r rheini sy'n ffermio mewn ardaloedd llai ffafriol, ac mae 80 y cant o ucheldiroedd Cymru yn ardaloedd llai ffafriol, ac mae 84 y cant o'r daliadau hynny'n dibynnu ar wartheg a defaid, ac mae hynny'n hanfodol ar gyfer gwarchod y dirwedd a hybu bioamrywiaeth. Felly, gallaf weld y gall y cynlluniau cadernid a'r cynlluniau nwyddau cyhoeddus gydredeg yn y maes hwn, ond mae'r symiau o arian sydd dan sylw ar gyfer pob ffermwr unigol yn sylweddol ac mae angen dylunio'r cynlluniau'n dda. Felly, credaf fod Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn symud i'r cyfeiriad iawn, ond rwy'n bryderus ynglŷn â pha mor gyflym y gweithredir hyn. A siarad yn gyffredinol, mae cynlluniau'r taliad sylfaenol yn bwydo drwodd i werthoedd tir yn hytrach nag i incwm ffermydd. Mae hynny'n wendid mawr ynddynt, felly credaf ei bod yn iawn symud oddi wrth daliadau sylfaenol. Ond lle mae gennych ffermydd yr ucheldir ac eraill sy'n ymylol ac nad oes modd eu gwneud yn fasnachol go iawn heb ryw fath o gymorth cyhoeddus, rwy'n credu bod angen inni gael rhyw gynllun penodol a luniwyd er mwyn diwallu eu hanghenion. Fel arall, rydym mewn perygl o weld nid yn unig busnesau'n rhoi'r gorau i gynhyrchu ond hefyd y canlyniadau amgylcheddol a fyddai'n deillio o hynny, a byddai'r rheini'n drychinebus. Rwy'n credu bod dad-ddofi tir ar y bryniau'n broblem fawr y mae angen inni ei gwrthdroi. Credaf fod unrhyw beth a allai gyfrannu'n anfwriadol at ddad-ddofi mwy o dir ar y bryniau i'w wrthwynebu. Mae ffermwyr yn gweithio'n galed iawn am ychydig iawn o enillion o ran incwm. Credaf fod incwm cyfartalog ffermydd oddeutu £23,000 y flwyddyn. Felly, mae'r taliad sylfaenol yn elfen gwbl hanfodol i gadw pobl ar y tir i gynhyrchu bwyd a'r holl ganlyniadau eraill sy'n deillio o hynny. Felly, buaswn yn erfyn ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i beidio â symud yn rhy gyflym i gyfeiriad cymorth taliadau sylfaenol a symud at gynlluniau mwy amgylcheddol, er fy mod yn credu ei bod hi'n symud i'r cyfeiriad cywir. Yr hyn sy'n rhaid inni ei wneud hefyd, wrth gwrs, yw manteisio ar y cyfleoedd a ddaw yn sgil Brexit. Os na cheir cytundeb, neu'n fwy cywir, os byddwn yn gadael yr UE ar delerau Sefydliad Masnach y Byd, bydd tariffau enfawr ar fasnach rhwng Prydain a'r UE. Ac o ystyried nad ydym ond oddeutu dwy ran o dair o fod yn hunangynhaliol o ran cynhyrchiant bwyd yn y Deyrnas Unedig, mae hwn yn gyfle enfawr i gynhyrchu yn lle mewnforio, ac mae hynny'n newyddion da i ffermwyr Prydain ac i ffermwyr Cymru yn benodol yn fy marn i.