English: I'm grateful to the Minister for his response and I'm glad that he mentions the health board himself. I don't know if the Minister has had an opportunity to review the proceedings of last week's health committee, but I can't be the only person who was shocked by some of what David Jenkins, the independent adviser, had to say about the state of the local health board. He was very clear that the scrutiny was profoundly inadequate and when pressed on that, he said that the independent members were only human and could be expected to be told what they believed. These people are employed to scrutinise the executives. The chair gets paid a minimum of £55,000 a year; the vice-chair a minimum of £45,000; and there are seven independent members paid £10,000 a year each. And yet, David Jenkins was very clear that they were not fit - they are not able to effectively scrutinise. They now, as I understand it - and just as an example of their inability to effectively scrutinise - this summer, let the failed chief executive walk away scot free with no stain on her character whatsoever. I understand that the board is now being given a 12-month development programme, provided by Deloitte UK. I can't imagine that's coming cheap and I understand that that comes out of the Minister's budget. I have to say that I am at a loss to understand how this number of people who were not capable of scrutinising their executive were allowed to be appointed in the first place. Again, in response to questions from the committee, David Jenkins said that he felt that there were real issues with the appointments process. But, Presiding Officer, I have to say that the Minister has to take responsibility for this. He appointed all those people. He sets the process and yet, they were only human and could be expected to believe what they were told. Now, we have a situation where we have five out of the seven local health boards in some kind of special measures -
Welsh: Rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Gweinidog am ei ymateb ac rwy'n falch iddo sôn am y bwrdd iechyd. Nid wyf yn gwybod a yw'r Gweinidog wedi cael cyfle i adolygu trafodion y pwyllgor iechyd yr wythnos diwethaf, ond does bosibl mai fi oedd yr unig un a gafodd sioc wrth glywed yr hyn oedd gan David Jenkins, y cynghorydd annibynnol, i'w ddweud am gyflwr y bwrdd iechyd lleol. Dywedodd yn glir iawn fod y gwaith craffu yn dra annigonol, a phan gafodd ei holi ynglŷn â hynny, dywedodd mai pobl yw'r aelodau annibynnol wedi'r cyfan ac y gellid disgwyl dweud wrthynt beth roeddent yn ei gredu. Cyflogir y bobl hyn i graffu ar y swyddogion gweithredol. Mae'r cadeirydd yn cael o leiaf £55,000 y flwyddyn; mae'r is-gadeirydd yn cael o leiaf £45,000; ac mae saith aelod annibynnol yn cael £10,000 y flwyddyn yr un. Ac eto, dywedodd David Jenkins yn glir iawn nad oeddent yn gymwys - nid ydynt yn gallu craffu'n effeithiol. Bellach, yn ôl yr hyn a ddeallaf - ac fel enghraifft o'u hanallu i graffu'n effeithiol - yr haf hwn, gwnaethant adael i'r prif weithredwr aflwyddiannus ddianc yn ddi-gosb heb unrhyw frycheuyn o gwbl ar ei chymeriad. Deallaf bellach fod y bwrdd yn cael rhaglen ddatblygu 12 mis, a ddarperir gan Deloitte UK. Ni allaf ddychmygu bod hynny'n rhad a deallaf fod hynny'n dod allan o gyllideb y Gweinidog. Mae'n rhaid imi ddweud na allaf ddeall sut y caniatawyd i'r bobl hyn nad oeddent yn gallu craffu ar eu gweithrediaeth gael eu penodi yn y lle cyntaf. Unwaith eto, mewn ymateb i gwestiynau gan y pwyllgor, dywedodd David Jenkins ei fod yn teimlo bod problemau gwirioneddol gyda'r broses benodi. Ond Lywydd, mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud bod yn rhaid i'r Gweinidog dderbyn cyfrifoldeb am hyn. Ef a benododd yr holl bobl hynny. Ef sy'n pennu'r broses, ac eto, pobl ydynt wedi'r cyfan a gellid disgwyl iddynt gredu'r hyn a ddywedir wrthynt. Nawr, mae gennym sefyllfa lle mae gennym bump o'r saith bwrdd iechyd lleol mewn rhyw fath o fesurau arbennig -