English: I will explain where I'm at with costings in a second, if you'll sit down please, because I think it's really important that the one significant objection that some Members seem to have is around the funding. So, let me go into a little bit of detail on our funding and how we've costed these proposals. First of all, can I just say that your suggestion, Rhianon Passmore, about the fact that if we scrap EMA it's going to push up the number of people who are not in education, employment or training is wrong, because, actually, Wales has a higher rate of NEETs than England, which does not have EMA at all? You mentioned, Jeremy Miles, about the fact that 26,000 people currently benefit from EMA, and you're absolutely right, but our proposals would benefit 360,000, not just 26,000, and as you will know from speaking to individuals in your own constituency, EMA awards can be extremely divisive amongst young people in educational establishments, and there's a divide between those who get it and those who don't. So, let me just explain why I think this is an affordable policy. Your costings, Cabinet Secretary, have been based on the mytravelpass scheme that currently operates, which, frankly, is an extraordinarily expensive scheme. I cannot see how it is costing the Welsh taxpayer quite so much money. For the figures for the financial year to 2017, there were 15,000 - . There were 9,000 - just let me get the figures here - there were 9,250 beneficiaries of that scheme at a cost of £9.743 million. That means that the cost of mytravelpass per beneficiary is £1,053 a year. Now, in anybody's mind, that's extraordinarily expensive: £1,053 per year to get a third off your bus passes, when you can actually buy a bus pass for a whole year in my area for £490 a year at a commercial price. I think that's an extraordinarily expensive scheme and I'm yet to see any explanation as to why it's costing the Welsh taxpayer quite that much. [Interruption.] I'm very happy to take an intervention.
Welsh: Fe egluraf ble rwyf fi gyda chostio mewn eiliad, os gwnewch chi eistedd os gwelwch yn dda, gan fy mod yn credu ei bod yn bwysig iawn mai'r un gwrthwynebiad arwyddocaol a oedd gan rai o'r Aelodau, mae'n ymddangos, oedd ynglŷn â'r cyllid. Felly, gadewch i mi fanylu ychydig ar ein cyllid a sut yr ydym wedi costio'r cynigion hyn. Yn gyntaf oll, a gaf fi ddweud bod eich awgrym chi, Rhianon Passmore, am y ffaith y byddai inni gael gwared ar y lwfans cynhaliaeth addysg yn cynyddu nifer y bobl nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth a hyfforddiant yn anghywir, oherwydd, mewn gwirionedd, mae gan Gymru gyfradd uwch o bobl ifanc NEET na Lloegr, nad oes ganddi lwfans cynhaliaeth addysg o gwbl? Fe sonioch chi, Jeremy Miles, am y ffaith bod 26,000 o bobl yn elwa o'r lwfans cynhaliaeth addysg ar hyn o bryd, ac rydych yn hollol gywir, ond byddai ein cynigion o fudd i 360,000, nid i 26,000 yn unig, ac fel y gwyddoch o siarad ag unigolion yn eich etholaeth eich hun, gall dyfarniadau'r lwfans cynhaliaeth addysg fod yn hynod o gynhennus ymhlith pobl ifanc mewn sefydliadau addysgol, ac mae yna raniad rhwng y rhai sy'n ei gael a'r rhai nad ydynt yn ei gael. Felly, gadewch i mi egluro pam y credaf fod hwn yn bolisi fforddiadwy. Mae eich costau, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, wedi eu seilio ar y cynllun fyngherdynteithio sy'n gweithredu ar hyn o bryd, ac sydd, a dweud y gwir, yn gynllun hynod o ddrud. Ni allaf weld sut y mae'n costio cymaint o arian i drethdalwyr Cymru. O ran y ffigurau ar gyfer y flwyddyn ariannol hyd at 2017, roedd 15,000 - . Roedd 9,000 - gadewch i mi gael y ffigyrau fan hyn - roedd 9,250 yn elwa ar y cynllun hwnnw ar gost o £9.743 miliwn. Golyga hynny fod cost fyngherdynteithio fesul buddiolwr yn £1,053 y flwyddyn. Nawr, ym meddwl unrhyw un, mae hynny'n hynod o ddrud. £1,053 y flwyddyn i gael traean oddi ar eich tocynnau bws pan allwch brynu tocyn bws am flwyddyn gyfan yn fy ardal i mewn gwirionedd am £490 y flwyddyn am bris masnachol. Rwy'n credu bod hwnnw'n gynllun hynod o ddrud ac rwyf eto i weld unrhyw esboniad ynglŷn â pham y mae'n costio cymaint â hynny i drethdalwyr Cymru. [Torri ar draws.] Rwy'n hapus iawn i dderbyn ymyriad.