English: Yes, I think the issue here is that there are going to be individual circumstances in each case, and what we've agreed on as a committee is that the procedures in place in the Welsh Government should be robust enough so that those individual circumstances can be taken into account, so that if there's any suggestion that a survey is needed, it should happen, and if a survey can be completely ruled out, then that can happen as well. But, clearly, something went wrong in this case. But, thanks, Mike. Bethan Sayed, I know your committee did a fair bit of work in this area. We were happy to take up the request to look further at it, as you know, from the public interest - in terms of the public value-for-money point of view. I'm glad that you referred it to us. You made an interesting point in your contribution that the model being relied on by the Welsh Government wasn't suited to Wales. I'm not sure whether we did make that point in our report - it was hinted at in our evidence - but I think it's an issue that is probably at the heart of this, actually, that, certainly, if we're going to try and undertake these ventures in the future in encouraging the film and tv industry in Wales, then it's important that the model that's being used is suited to Wales. We often talk about devolution bringing benefit from being suited to Wales, but it does seem to be, as we plough further into devolution, that sometimes we're not using models that are suitable, so that's an area that needs to be looked at, so I'm glad you raised it. Welsh Government perhaps shouldn't be expected to have all the necessary experience and expertise in these areas at the outset of this sort of venture, but they need to have the capacity to know where the gaps are and to try and fill that knowledge. Suzy Davies, again, you were concerned about the lack of transparency and the issue of commercial confidentiality, which crops up again and again in our debates in this building. I think you said it is not a cloak of invisibility, and you mentioned Harry Potter as well, continuing the film and media references. Well said, Suzy. Yes, we need to make sure that the cloak of invisibility, that commercial confidentiality isn't used in that way and that it's used in ways that are appropriate. Can I thank the Deputy Minister for his very encouraging response today, and for the way he responded to the recommendations - indeed, for the Welsh Government acceptance of most of our recommendations? As I said, I recognise there are logical reasons for the rejection of recommendation 8, but I would respectfully ask that the spirit of that recommendation is adhered to in the future and all the points I made earlier - that the Welsh Government knows if a survey is needed, if it isn't needed, and we're not in this position again in the future. Can I thank the Minister as well for his reference to Creative Wales? I won't go too much into this, because you made a statement on that yesterday, and that's an example of a strategy that's being pursued and being developed at the moment, so that's exactly the sort of area where we would hope that the lessons that are being learned here don't just go into a document on a dusty shelf somewhere, but they're actually incorporated into current, modern policy making, so that what we all want - improvement in the situation in the future - does actually happen. So, in summary, Deputy Presiding Officer, can I thank everyone who contributed to today's debate, to the Members of the Assembly, also members, specifically, of the culture committee, who have brought a valuable aspect to today's debate? Can I also thank the Deputy Minister for his response? There are wider issues at stake here, or, rather, lessons to be learned across the whole of the Welsh Government, not just in one department, and there is a balance to be struck. We certainly, as a committee, didn't want to see creativity stifled, we certainly didn't want to shut the door on future film and tv opportunities for Wales and productions being made here in Wales and, indeed, here in Cardiff. So, we were very careful in the way that we framed the report, and I hope that that has been appreciated. But that balance does have to be struck right. At the end of the day, the taxpayer's interests also have to be safeguarded and we need to make sure in the future that when these sorts of decisions are undertaken, there is the right experience, the right expertise - if not there at the start, brought in-house into the Welsh Government - so that the Welsh taxpayer can have confidence that public money is being effectively spent.
Welsh: Ie, rwy'n credu mai'r hyn sydd dan sylw yma yw y bydd amgylchiadau unigol ym mhob achos, ac rydym wedi cytuno fel pwyllgor y dylai'r gweithdrefnau sydd ar waith yn Llywodraeth Cymru fod yn ddigon cadarn fel y gellir ystyried yr amgylchiadau unigol hynny, ac os oes unrhyw awgrym fod angen arolwg, dylai ddigwydd, ac os gellir diystyru arolwg yn gyfan gwbl, gall hynny ddigwydd hefyd. Ond yn amlwg, aeth rhywbeth o'i le yn yr achos hwn. Ond diolch, Mike. Bethan Sayed, gwn i'ch pwyllgor wneud cryn dipyn o waith yn y maes hwn. Roeddem yn hapus i dderbyn y cais i edrych yn fanylach arno, fel y gwyddoch, o safbwynt budd y cyhoedd - o safbwynt gwerth am arian cyhoeddus. Rwy'n falch i chi ei gyfeirio atom. Gwnaethoch bwynt diddorol yn eich cyfraniad nad oedd y model y mae Llywodraeth Cymru'n dibynnu arno yn addas i Gymru. Nid wyf yn siŵr a wnaethom y pwynt hwnnw yn ein hadroddiad - awgrymwyd hynny yn ein tystiolaeth - ond credaf ei fod yn fater sy'n ganolog i hyn yn ôl pob tebyg, sef yn sicr, os ydym yn mynd i geisio cyflawni'r mentrau hyn yn y dyfodol i annog y diwydiant teledu a ffilm yng Nghymru, mae'n bwysig fod y model sy'n cael ei ddefnyddio yn addas i Gymru. Byddwn yn aml yn sôn am ddatganoli'n creu budd o fod yn addas i Gymru, ond mae'n ymddangos weithiau, wrth inni fwrw ati i ddatganoli ymhellach, nad ydym yn defnyddio modelau sy'n addas, felly mae hwnnw'n faes y dylid edrych arno, felly rwy'n falch ichi ei godi. Efallai na ddylai fod disgwyl i Lywodraeth Cymru gael yr holl brofiad ac arbenigedd angenrheidiol yn y meysydd hyn ar ddechrau menter o'r fath, ond mae angen iddynt allu cael y gallu i wybod ble mae'r bylchau a cheisio llenwi'r wybodaeth honno. Suzy Davies, unwaith eto, roeddech yn pryderu am y diffyg tryloywder a mater cyfrinachedd masnachol, sy'n codi dro ar ôl tro yn ein dadleuon yn yr adeilad hwn. Credaf i chi ddweud nad yw'n glogyn anweledigrwydd, a soniasoch am Harry Potter hefyd, gan barhau â'r cyfeiriadau ffilm a chyfryngau. Da iawn, Suzy. Oes, mae angen i ni sicrhau nad yw'r clogyn anweledigrwydd, cyfrinachedd masnachol, yn cael ei ddefnyddio yn y ffordd honno a'i fod yn cael ei ddefnyddio mewn ffyrdd sy'n briodol. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r Dirprwy Weinidog am ei ymateb calonogol iawn heddiw, ac am y ffordd y mae wedi ymateb i'r argymhellion - yn wir, i Lywodraeth Cymru am dderbyn y rhan fwyaf o'n hargymhellion? Fel y dywedais, rwy'n cydnabod bod rhesymau rhesymegol dros wrthod argymhelliad 8, ond gofynnaf yn barchus ichi lynu wrth ysbryd yr argymhelliad hwnnw yn y dyfodol a'r holl bwyntiau a wneuthum yn gynharach - sef bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn gwybod p'un a oes angen arolwg ai peidio, ac nad ydym yn y sefyllfa hon eto yn y dyfodol. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r Gweinidog hefyd am ei gyfeiriad at Cymru Greadigol? Nid wyf am roi gormod o sylw i hyn, oherwydd fe wnaethoch ddatganiad ar hynny ddoe, ac mae'n enghraifft o strategaeth sy'n cael ei dilyn a'i datblygu ar hyn o bryd, felly dyna'r union fath o faes lle byddem yn gobeithio nad yw'r gwersi a ddysgir yma yn mynd i mewn i ddogfen i'w gadael ar silff lychlyd yn rhywle, ond eu bod yn cael eu hymgorffori yn y broses o lunio polisïau cyfoes a modern, fel bod yr hyn y mae pawb ohonom am ei weld - sef gwelliant yn y sefyllfa yn y dyfodol - yn digwydd mewn gwirionedd. Felly, yn gryno, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a gaf fi ddiolch i bawb a gyfrannodd at y ddadl heddiw, i Aelodau'r Cynulliad, aelodau'r pwyllgor diwylliant yn benodol, sydd wedi cyfrannu agwedd werthfawr at y ddadl heddiw? A gaf fi hefyd ddiolch i'r Dirprwy Weinidog am ei ymateb? Mae materion ehangach yn y fantol yma, neu yn hytrach, mae yma wersi i'w dysgu ar draws Llywodraeth Cymru i gyd, nid un adran yn unig, ac mae angen taro cydbwysedd. Yn sicr, fel pwyllgor, nid oeddem am weld creadigrwydd yn cael ei fygu, yn sicr nid oeddem am gau'r drws ar gyfleoedd ffilm a theledu i Gymru yn y dyfodol a chynyrchiadau a wneir yma yng Nghymru ac yn wir, yma yng Nghaerdydd. Felly, roeddem yn ofalus iawn o ran y modd y lluniasom yr adroddiad, a gobeithio bod hynny wedi'i werthfawrogi. Ond mae'n rhaid taro'r cydbwysedd cywir. Yn y pen draw, rhaid diogelu buddiannau'r trethdalwr hefyd ac mae angen inni sicrhau yn y dyfodol, pan wneir y mathau hyn o benderfyniadau, fod y profiad cywir, yr arbenigedd cywir - os nad yw yno ar y dechrau, yn cael ei ddwyn i mewn i Lywodraeth Cymru - fel y gall trethdalwyr Cymru fod yn hyderus fod arian cyhoeddus yn cael ei wario'n effeithiol.