English: Can I thank everybody who's contributed to the debate this afternoon for the largely supportive comments that have been made? Siân, Huw, Dai, the Llywydd and the Minister have all identified some of the key aspects of the report around equality and diversity, political consensus, new ways of working, scrutiny, better legislation, and the need for a stronger Parliament. That is all what this report sets out to do. In terms of the contributions from Neil Hamilton and Gareth Bennett, they were utterly predictable. Neil Hamilton talks about evidence not being taken on the other alternatives, but of course evidence was taken from a very wide range of stakeholders. Everybody had the opportunity to submit their evidence and to submit their views, and whether they chose to do so was a matter for them. In terms of referenda, again, we've already heard that there is no requirement in law for a referendum. We've had two referenda on the establishment of this place and powers, and a third referendum would not be necessary unless the Member in charge of taking the legislation through the sixth Senedd indicated that that was what they wanted to be a part of the legislative process. I do think it's important, Llywydd, just to point out that whilst it suits the populist political agenda of some people here to make all this about more Members and try to make that the headlines, and deflect from anything else, we have to acknowledge that is a central plank of the proposed reforms, of course. I truly believe that if we had a representative and deliberative consultation process with the public as we had planned to do - and Neil Hamilton's comments about a citizens' assembly just demonstrated to me that he clearly doesn't understand what a citizens' assembly is and how it works, because it is a very deliberative consultative process. It can join a wide range of people. We had planned to do that until the pandemic hit us, but we still need to convince people of the need for what we have set out to do. So, there is still very much more to do in relation to the recommendations of this report. It is about how this Senedd truly represents the people of Wales through inclusivity and diversity, and how the people of Wales can deliver representatives who are truly reflective of their views with an electoral system that ensures that everyone in this place is directly accountable to a constituency that elects them. And again, I have to say to Neil Hamilton, I don't know what he does during his time as a Member of the Senedd, but for most of us, this is a 24/7 job, and it's not about three days a week sitting in Tŷ Hywel or in the Senedd. This is about the work we do in our constituencies, with our communities as well as the work that we do in this place. Llywydd, as far back as 2004, we had a commission set up to look at the many issues of powers and electoral arrangements for this Senedd. That commission recommended more powers and more Members. We got the first, but the second has not yet followed. Despite the commission and the McAllister review, votes in this Senedd and this committee report, we're still debating these fundamental issues. But how many more commissions, reviews and reports do we need to tell us what we already know? It is now about having the courage to take this forward, because this whole package of measures would deliver a more accountable legislature, more responsive to the needs of people of Wales, and more able to ensure good governance and good government. I hope this Senedd approves this report, and that we can build a political and public consensus that will finally deliver the changes proposed.
Welsh: A gaf fi ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl y prynhawn yma am y sylwadau cefnogol at ei gilydd a gafodd eu gwneud? Mae Siân, Huw, Dai, y Llywydd a'r Gweinidog i gyd wedi nodi rhai o elfennau allweddol yr adroddiad ar gydraddoldeb ac amrywiaeth, consensws gwleidyddol, ffyrdd newydd o weithio, craffu, gwell deddfwriaeth, a'r angen am Senedd gryfach. Dyna y mae'r adroddiad hwn yn anelu at ei wneud. O ran cyfraniadau Neil Hamilton a Gareth Bennett, roeddent yn gwbl rhagweladwy. Mae Neil Hamilton yn sôn na chymerwyd tystiolaeth ar y dewisiadau eraill, ond wrth gwrs cymerwyd tystiolaeth gan ystod eang iawn o randdeiliaid. Cafodd pawb gyfle i gyflwyno eu tystiolaeth a chyflwyno eu safbwyntiau, a mater iddynt hwy oedd a oeddent yn dewis gwneud hynny. O ran refferenda, unwaith eto, rydym eisoes wedi clywed nad oes gofyniad yn y gyfraith am refferendwm. Rydym wedi cael dau refferendwm ar sefydlu'r lle hwn ac ar bwerau, ac ni fyddai angen trydydd refferendwm oni bai bod yr Aelod a fyddai'n gyfrifol am fynd â'r ddeddfwriaeth drwy'r chweched Senedd yn nodi mai dyna fyddai'n ei ddymuno i fod yn rhan o'r broses ddeddfwriaethol. Lywydd, er bod gwneud hyn oll yn fater o fwy o Aelodau, ceisio denu'r penawdau yn y ffordd honno a gwyro oddi wrth unrhyw beth arall yn gweddu i agenda wleidyddol boblyddol rhai o'r bobl yma, rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid inni gydnabod bod honno'n elfen ganolog o'r diwygiadau arfaethedig wrth gwrs. Pe baem wedi cael proses ymgynghori gynrychioliadol ac ystyriol gyda'r cyhoedd fel roeddem wedi bwriadu ei wneud - ac roedd sylwadau Neil Hamilton am gynulliad dinasyddion yn dangos i mi ei bod hi'n amlwg nad yw'n deall beth yw cynulliad dinasyddion a sut y mae'n gweithio, oherwydd mae'n broses ymgynghori gydgynghorol iawn. Gall uno ystod eang o bobl. Roeddem wedi bwriadu gwneud hynny nes i'r pandemig ein taro, ond mae angen o hyd i ni argyhoeddi pobl o'r angen am yr hyn y bwriadwn ei wneud. Felly, mae llawer mwy i'w wneud o hyd mewn perthynas ag argymhellion yr adroddiad hwn. Mae'n ymwneud â sut y mae'r Senedd hon yn cynrychioli pobl Cymru drwy gynwysoldeb ac amrywiaeth, a sut y gall pobl Cymru ddarparu cynrychiolwyr sydd o ddifrif yn adlewyrchu eu barn gyda system etholiadol sy'n sicrhau bod pawb yn y lle hwn yn uniongyrchol atebol i etholaeth sy'n eu hethol. Ac unwaith eto, mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud wrth Neil Hamilton, nid wyf yn gwybod beth mae'n ei wneud yn ystod ei amser fel Aelod o'r Senedd, ond i'r rhan fwyaf ohonom, mae hon yn swydd 24/7, ac nid tri diwrnod yr wythnos yn eistedd yn Nhŷ Hywel neu yn y Senedd. Mae'n ymwneud â'r gwaith a wnawn yn ein hetholaethau, gyda'n cymunedau yn ogystal â'r gwaith a wnawn yn y lle hwn. Lywydd, cyn belled yn ôl â 2004, sefydlwyd comisiwn gennym i edrych ar y materion niferus yn ymwneud â phwerau a threfniadau etholiadol ar gyfer y Senedd hon. Argymhellodd y comisiwn hwnnw y dylid cael mwy o bwerau a mwy o Aelodau. Cawsom y cyntaf, ond nid yw'r ail wedi dilyn eto. Er gwaethaf y comisiwn ac adolygiad McAllister, pleidleisiau yn y Senedd ac adroddiad y pwyllgor hwn, rydym yn dal i drafod y materion sylfaenol hyn. Ond faint yn rhagor o gomisiynau, adolygiadau ac adroddiadau sydd eu hangen arnom i ddweud wrthym beth rydym eisoes yn ei wybod? Mae'n ymwneud yn awr â bod yn ddigon dewr i fwrw ymlaen â hyn, oherwydd byddai'r pecyn cyfan o fesurau'n sicrhau deddfwrfa fwy atebol, mwy ymatebol i anghenion pobl Cymru, a mwy abl i sicrhau llywodraethiant da a llywodraeth dda. Rwy'n gobeithio y bydd y Senedd hon yn cymeradwyo'r adroddiad hwn, ac y gallwn greu consensws gwleidyddol a chyhoeddus a fydd o'r diwedd yn cyflawni'r newidiadau arfaethedig.