English: I'm very pleased to take part in this debate and I commend the work of the committee under John's leadership. To me, reading this, and I have to say, Caroline's just sat down and warned us that if we don't act, in 20 years' time we'll be going around the same racecourse, well, I kind of feel that 20 years ago we were discussing a lot of these issues, perhaps not focused on homelessness and rough-sleeping particularly, but the whole issue, really, of what this report goes to, and that's a plea for leadership and more integrated, imaginative services, particularly for the most vulnerable in society. So, I do hope that we can move forward very, very quickly. As you see in the report, presently, key stakeholders feel that there are barriers against achieving integration, and when you're tackling rough-sleeping, one thing you do need is a very integrated approach because of the complexity of the issue. One witness even went so far as to claim that innovation was not welcomed in many of the public services in Wales, and I do find that disturbing. Another witness from Public Health Wales told the committee that, and I now quote: 'there's a different culture within substance misuse and within formal mental health servicesthere is a paucityof joined-up leadership at the very senior level'. That is exactly what we must see an end of and we must move to opening up our services to the ideas that will lead to the very highest outcomes. I think at the heart of these frustrations is what is sometimes a rather weak commissioning process, and poor practices, lack of training, and I particularly welcome the committee's call for an urgent review of commissioning by the Welsh Government. I do think that that has much merit. I suppose one way to progress at the moment is to ask ourselves, 'What would effective commissioning for services to tackle rough-sleeping look like?' Well, as I hinted earlier, it would look like effective commissioning in some other areas, but perhaps it's not as common as we expect; pooled budgets between various services; long-term commissioning so that we know that there is that service we need with the security that it's going to be there for the long term and that people can then be referred into; integrated services; and the encouragement of innovation. These things need to be at the heart of an effective commissioning process. This is, of course, challenging. It's easier to do this piecemeal and just look after your particular patch, but to tackle homelessness, a wide-ranging approach is absolutely vital. It does require courage and bold approaches, for instance - and I welcome the report meeting some of these subjects, which are very sensitive, and meeting them head on and talking about them - co-ordinated detox services, covering alcohol and drug misuse, and connected to mental health services; considering safe rooms for the use of drugs; assertive outreach, and that means, you know, when our outreach workers are there making contact with rough-sleepers that there is a real grip and sense of purpose about where they need to move these vulnerable people on into a more structured lifestyle and how to get that going. Housing First models: again, this concept that you need to be in a home first before you can have greater stability, and that we basically will not evict highly vulnerable people ever. We may move them on or put more support in, but we won't evict. Integrated homelessness action plans: we talked a bit about this in yesterday's statement on the housing support grant, and I welcome this. I think this is the Welsh Government recognising what needs to be co-ordinated at the local and regional level, but we've really got to see implementation, and see it very, very quickly. Then suitable housing options into which these most vulnerable people can be referred, and there'll be a range of models that are necessary there, some of them perhaps catering to very specific needs, such as former veterans or people who have more recently left the armed services and found it very difficult to connect back into civil life. So, I'm pleased that we're discussing this this afternoon. I think it's a really good piece of work, and I do hope the Welsh Government will be taking it forward and responding to the excellent recommendations with real force and commitment. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.
Welsh: Rwy'n falch iawn o gymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon ac rwy'n cymeradwyo gwaith y pwyllgor o dan arweinyddiaeth John. I mi, o ddarllen hyn, ac mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, mae Caroline newydd eistedd a'n rhybuddio, os na fyddwn yn gweithredu, ymhen 20 mlynedd byddwn yn mynd o gwmpas yr un cae ras, wel, teimlaf ein bod yn trafod llawer o'r problemau hyn 20 mlynedd yn ôl, efallai heb ganolbwyntio ar ddigartrefedd a chysgu allan yn benodol, ond holl fater yr hyn y mae'r adroddiad hwn yn ymdrin ag ef, sef apêl am arweinyddiaeth a gwasanaethau mwy integredig, dychmygus, yn enwedig ar gyfer y rhai mwyaf agored i niwed mewn cymdeithas. Felly, rwy'n gobeithio y gallwn symud ymlaen yn gyflym iawn. Fel y gwelwch yn yr adroddiad ar hyn o bryd, mae rhanddeiliaid allweddol yn teimlo bod rhwystrau rhag gallu integreiddio, a phan fyddwch yn mynd i'r afael â chysgu ar y stryd, un peth sydd ei angen arnoch yw dull integredig iawn oherwydd cymhlethdod y broblem. Roedd un tyst wedi mynd mor bell â honni nad oedd croeso i arloesi mewn llawer o'r gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yng Nghymru, ac rwy'n ystyried hynny'n ofidus. Dywedodd tyst arall o Iechyd Cyhoeddus Cymru wrth y pwyllgor, ac rwy'n dyfynnu: mae diwylliant gwahanol o fewn gwasanaethau camddefnyddio sylweddau ac o fewn gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl ffurfiol ceir prinder arweinyddiaeth gydgysylltiedig ar y lefel uchaf. Dyna'n union y mae'n rhaid inni ei weld yn dod i ben a rhaid inni symud tuag at agor ein gwasanaethau i'r syniadau a fydd yn arwain at y canlyniadau gorau un. Yn fy marn i, yr hyn sydd wrth wraidd y rhwystredigaeth yw'r broses gomisiynu sy'n eithaf gwan weithiau, ac arferion gwael, diffyg hyfforddiant, ac yn arbennig, rwy'n croesawu galwad y pwyllgor am adolygiad ar frys o gomisiynu gan Lywodraeth Cymru. Credaf fod llawer o rinweddau i hynny. Mae'n debyg mai un ffordd o symud ymlaen ar hyn o bryd yw drwy ofyn i ni ein hunain, 'Sut beth fyddai comisiynu effeithiol ar gyfer gwasanaethau i fynd i'r afael â chysgu ar y stryd?' Wel, fel yr awgrymais yn gynharach, byddai'n debyg i gomisiynu effeithiol mewn meysydd eraill, ond efallai nad yw mor gyffredin ag y disgwyliwn; cyllidebau cyfun rhwng gwahanol wasanaethau; comisiynu hirdymor fel ein bod yn gwybod bod gennym y gwasanaeth sydd ei angen arnom gyda'r sicrwydd y bydd yno'n hirdymor ac y gellir cyfeirio pobl ato wedyn; gwasanaethau integredig; ac annog arloesedd. Mae angen i'r pethau hyn fod yn ganolog i broses gomisiynu effeithiol. Mae hyn yn her wrth gwrs. Mae'n haws ei wneud fesul tipyn ac edrych ar ôl eich maes penodol chi'n unig, ond i fynd i'r afael â digartrefedd, mae ymagwedd eang yn gwbl hanfodol. Mae'n gofyn am ddulliau dewr a beiddgar, er enghraifft - ac rwy'n croesawu'r ffaith bod yr adroddiad yn trafod rhai o'r pynciau hyn, sy'n sensitif iawn, ac yn mynd benben â hwy ac yn siarad amdanynt - gwasanaethau dadwenwyno cydgysylltiedig, sy'n ymdrin â chamddefnyddio alcohol a chyffuriau, ac yn gysylltiedig â gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl; ystyried ystafelloedd diogel ar gyfer defnyddio cyffuriau; allgymorth grymusol, ac mae hynny'n golygu, wyddoch chi, pan fydd ein gweithwyr allgymorth yno'n cysylltu â phobl sy'n cysgu allan, fod yna wir ddealltwriaeth ac ymdeimlad o bwrpas ynglŷn â lle mae angen iddynt symud y bobl hyn sy'n agored i niwed i sicrhau ffordd o fyw fwy strwythuredig a sut i gael hynny i ddigwydd. Modelau Tai yn Gyntaf: unwaith eto, y cysyniad hwn fod angen ichi fod mewn cartref yn gyntaf cyn y gallwch gael mwy o sefydlogrwydd, ac yn sylfaenol, na fyddwn byth yn troi pobl agored i niwed allan. Efallai y byddwn yn eu symud yn eu blaenau neu'n rhoi mwy o gymorth iddynt, ond ni fyddwn yn eu troi allan. Cynlluniau gweithredu digartrefedd integredig: buom yn siarad ychydig am hyn yn y datganiad ddoe ar y grant cymorth tai, ac rwy'n croesawu hyn. Rwy'n credu mai Llywodraeth Cymru yn cydnabod yr hyn y mae angen ei gydgysylltu ar lefel leol a rhanbarthol yw hyn, ond mae'n rhaid inni ei weld yn cael ei weithredu, a'i weld yn gyflym iawn. Yna opsiynau tai addas y gellir cyfeirio'r bobl hyn sydd fwyaf agored i niwed atynt, a bydd amrywiaeth o fodelau angenrheidiol yno, gyda rhai ohonynt efallai'n darparu ar gyfer anghenion penodol iawn, megis cyn-filwyr neu bobl sydd wedi gadael y gwasanaethau arfog yn ddiweddar ac wedi'i chael hi'n anodd iawn addasu'n ôl i fywyd sifil. Felly, rwy'n falch ein bod ni'n trafod hyn y prynhawn yma. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn waith da iawn, ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn bwrw ymlaen ag ef ac yn ymateb i'r argymhellion rhagorol gyda grym ac ymrwymiad gwirioneddol. Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd.