English: If you're asking me what the ultimate step will be - and my view is publicly known - it's independence for Wales, so we would be in control of everything. What I've been trying to do in looking at this issue is to focus on where we are now and what we need to do now in order to have improved provision of service for Wales. The fear that I have at the moment - particularly with the current Government on a UK level - is that the licence fee is at risk. What does that mean? If we were to move to a system where we pay a subscription for our services, well that isn't going to be something that would support anything through the medium of Welsh, and I fear that it wouldn't adequately support the need we have here in Wales for English language services too. So, I do think we need to look at all kinds of models, and that each step would lead to the next. But the most important thing at the moment - and we've been discussing this for so many years now, and the world is moving so quickly ahead of us, and I fear if we continue to discuss it for years to come, we will almost have lost everything - is that we now have to look at what the situation in Wales is, how we can change that, and how we can improve the situation, because the service currently available is inadequate. If I can give you one minor example of a fortnight ago when there were serious floods in Wales, in Pontypridd and Taff-Ely, in terms of the BBC's News at Six, which is a service for the whole of Britain, they showed a map of England and Wales showing where the floods were, and there was nothing there on Wales; it was blank. They didn't mention Wales once. These kinds of things seem to be getting worse, rather than improving. So, with the regulation and that deficit that we have, unless we tackle it in a practical way first of all and push the boundaries to see where we get to, then we won't get anywhere. That's what concerns me most.
Welsh: Wel, os ŷch chi'n gofyn i fi beth fuasai'r cam pellaf - ac mae fy marn i'n ddigon cyhoeddus - buasai'n annibyniaeth i Gymru, felly buasem ni'n rheoli popeth. Beth dwi wedi bod yn trio ei wneud wrth edrych ar y cwestiwn yma yw gweld ble rŷn ni nawr a beth sydd ei angen nawr er mwyn i ni gael darpariaeth a gwasanaeth gwell i Gymru. Yr ofn sydd gyda fi ar hyn o bryd - yn enwedig gyda'r Llywodraeth bresennol ym Mhrydain - yw bod y ffi drwydded mewn perygl. Beth mae hynny'n ei olygu? Os buasem ni'n gorfod mynd i ryw fath o system lle rŷn ni'n talu am ein gwasanaethau ni, wel dyw hynna ddim yn mynd i fod yn rhywbeth sy'n mynd i gynnal unrhyw beth yn yr iaith Gymraeg, a dwi hefyd yn ofni efallai buasai fe ddim yn rhywbeth fuasai'n cynnal yn ddigonol chwaith yr angen sydd arnom ni fan hyn yng Nghymru gyda gwasanaethau darlledu yn Saesneg hefyd. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod angen i ni edrych ar bob math o fodelu, a bod pob cam yn arwain at y llall. Ond y peth pwysicaf oll ar hyn o bryd - dŷn ni wedi bod yn ei drafod e am gymaint o flynyddoedd nawr, ac mae'r byd yn symud mor gyflym o'n blaenau ni, a dwi'n ofni os byddwn ni'n parhau i drafod am flynyddoedd eto, byddwn ni bron, mwy neu lai, wedi colli popeth - yw bod yn rhaid i ni edrych nawr ar beth yw sefyllfa Cymru, sut allwn ni newid honno, a sut allwn ni wella pethau fel maen nhw, achos dyw'r gwasanaeth sydd ar hyn o bryd gyda ni ddim yn ddigon da. Os gallaf i roi un enghraifft fach i chi o bythefnos yn ôl pan oedd llifogydd difrifol yng Nghymru, ym Mhontypridd a Thaf-Elai ac ati, ar wasanaeth newyddion y BBC, y News at Six, sef y gwasanaeth sydd i fod i Brydain gyfan, wnaethon nhw ddangos map o Gymru a Lloegr yn dangos y llifogydd, ond doedd dim byd ar Gymru; roedd e'n blanc. Gwnaethon nhw ddim sôn am Gymru o gwbl. Mae'r math yma o bethau fel petasen nhw'n gwaethygu yn hytrach na gwella. Felly, dwi'n meddwl, gyda rheoleiddio a gyda'r diffyg mawr sydd yna, os nad ŷm ni'n mynd i'r afael mewn rhyw ffordd neu'i gilydd, mewn ffordd hollol practical ar hyn o bryd a gwthio'r ffiniau i weld ble allwn ni gyrraedd, fyddwn ni ddim yn cyrraedd i unman. Dyna beth sy'n poeni fi fwyaf.