English: I think there's some disagreement between ourselves and Emyr, which is very healthy, because there are different views on what's appropriate. But to go back to the way you framed the question, we can't blame the Measure for the current arrangement. It wasn't the role of the Measure to increase the number of speakers. So, back to the original point made by Siân Gwenllian - what is the direction of travel established? Yes, we have the Measure, but we also have a language strategy that is ambitious and long term. So, for this period of language planning in Wales, there are two powerful tools in place if they are implemented to their full potential. Now, I accept some of the arguments about the potential of an external agency to be more fleet of foot and more willing to take decisions that would be different to those that would be taken within Government, but I think there are two key points - or three key points - that I should make here. First of all, I don't accept that it's inevitable that Government can't do that promotion work. The Government does promotion work in areas such as the environment, health and so on, and makes use of external agencies to carry out specific campaigns in those areas. Secondly, in this period of austerity, which is having a huge impact on the fact that we're having this discussion in the first place, I think it's very difficult to make a case for having a separate, external agency. The budgets for the Welsh language aren't going to increase substantially, and I think there is a risk in placing promotion or responsibilities in a body that is outwith Government, because I think we'll see the same sort of tension in terms of where the funding goes, in terms of regulation and promotion. And, I think, finally, what we have in the current language strategy is a very strong emphasis on enabling other departments within Government to operate in a way that is supportive of the strategy and supportive of the efforts to increase the number of Welsh speakers and increase the use of the Welsh language. So, what we have is a demand for the ability to influence within Government. And at the moment, I think, informally, we can see that having officials within Government is extremely important in doing that, so that those informal meetings can take place, and committees can be attended. And the risk is that an external body wouldn't have that level of access, or that level of influence, and therefore these opportunities would be missed to make those important points in having an influence on other departments. In our paper, we've recommended we need to enhance the status of the unit within Government responsible for the Welsh language and enhance the status of the officials too. We've weighed up the different models and, for us, we come down far more strongly that we should be strengthening the current arrangements within Government. That's the most appropriate approach.
Welsh: Rwy'n meddwl bod yna anghytuno rhyngom ni ac Emyr, sy'n hollol iach, wrth gwrs, achos rwy'n meddwl bod yna farn wahanol ynglŷn â beth sy'n briodol. Ond i fynd yn ôl i'r ffordd rŷch chi wedi fframio'r cwestiwn, fedrwn ni ddim beio'r Mesur ynghylch y trefniadau presennol. Nid rôl y Mesur ydy cynyddu nifer siaradwyr. Felly, yn ôl i'r pwynt gwreiddiol gan Siân Gwenllian - beth ydy'r cyfeiriad sydd wedi cael ei sefydlu? Oes, mae gennym ni'r Mesur ond mae gennym ni hefyd strategaeth iaith uchelgeisiol, hirdymor. Felly, ar gyfer y cyfnod yma o gynllunio ieithyddol yng Nghymru, mae yna ddau arf eithaf pwerus gennym ni mewn lle os ydyn nhw'n cael eu gweithredu i'w llawn botensial. Rwy'n derbyn rhai o'r dadleuon ynghylch potensial asiantaeth allanol i fod yn fwy hylaw, yn fwy parod i gymryd penderfyniadau mewn modd gwahanol efallai i'r hyn sy'n digwydd o fewn Llywodraeth, ond rwy'n meddwl bod yna ddau bwynt allweddol - tri phwynt allweddol - y byddwn i'n eu gwneud. Yn gyntaf, nid ydw i'n derbyn ei bod hi'n anochel nad yw Llywodraeth yn gallu gwneud gwaith hyrwyddo. Mae'r Llywodraeth yn gwneud gwaith hyrwyddo mewn meysydd fel yr amgylchedd, iechyd ac yn y blaen, gan weithiau ddefnyddio asiantaethau allanol i wneud yr ymgyrchoedd penodol ac yn y blaen. Yn ail, yn y cyfnod yma o lymdra sy'n effeithio'n ddirfawr ar y ffaith ein bod ni'n cael y drafodaeth yma yn y lle cyntaf, rwy'n ei gweld hi'n anodd iawn gwneud dadl dros gael asiantaeth ar wahân, allanol. Nid yw'r cyllidebau dros y Gymraeg yn mynd i gynyddu'n sylweddol, ac felly, rydw i'n meddwl bod yna risg rhoi dyletswyddau hybu mewn corff y tu allan i'r Llywodraeth, achos byddem ni'n gweld yr un math o dyndra rhwng ble mae'r gwariant yn mynd, o ran rheoleiddio a hybu. Ac yn olaf, rydw i'n meddwl beth sydd gennym ni yn y strategaeth iaith bresennol ydy pwyslais cryf ar alluogi adrannau eraill o fewn y Llywodraeth i weithredu mewn ffyrdd sy'n cefnogi'r strategaeth a chefnogi'r ymdrechion i gynyddu nifer y siaradwyr, ac i gynyddu'r defnydd o'r iaith. Ac felly, beth sydd gennym ni ydy galw am y gallu i ddylanwadu o fewn y Llywodraeth. Ac ar hyn o bryd, rydw i'n meddwl, yn anffurfiol, rydym ni'n gallu gweld bod cael swyddogion o fewn y Llywodraeth yn hynod bwysig i allu gwneud hynny, i wneud y cwrdd anffurfiol, i fynychu pwyllgorau. A'r risg ydy, ni fyddai gan gorff allanol y lefel yna o fynediad, y lefel yna o ddylanwad, ac felly'n colli'r cyfleon yma i wneud y pwyntiau pwysig yna o ddylanwadu ar adrannau eraill. Yn ein papur ni, rydym ni wedi argymell bod angen cynyddu statws yr uned o fewn y Llywodraeth sy'n gyfrifol am y Gymraeg a chynyddu statws y swyddogion hefyd. Ond i ni, rydw i'n meddwl, rydym ni wedi pwyso a mesur, meddwl beth ydy'r gwahanol fodelau, ac i ni, rydym i'n llawer cryfach mai cryfhau'r trefniadau sy'n bodoli o fewn y Llywodraeth sydd fwyaf priodol.