English: Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. Can I thank everyone for taking part in this debate? A lot of contributions - I won't be able to get through them all. Mark started with his usual gusto and just the sheer grasp of the subject that he's had because this has meant so much to him throughout his career as an Assembly Member, in which he's championed the whole concept of co-delivery, co-production and that being at the heart of community regeneration. In a slightly odd contribution, I have to say, later from Mark Reckless, we were told that 'co-productive' is not a word. The computer had said 'no' when Mark looked it up. [ Laughter.] Well, I don't know where you've been, Mark, for the last four years but you couldn't have listened to any of Mr Isherwood's wonderful contributions. And he's been with co-production a lot longer than four years as well, so let me tell you, it's there, it's been established as a great idiom and one we should live up to. Leanne, with her typical generosity and constant search for consensus, flatly condemned the barefaced cheek of the Welsh Conservative Party for even introducing this debate and then reminded us that it was all Mrs Thatcher's fault and then offered some rather vague prescriptions about how she would deal with structural change, forgetting that independence would start us all off with a 25 per cent deficit year in, year out on our spending. But anyway, I'll leave the party opposite to deal with these contradictions. Mike said that poverty is down to economics - well, fundamentally, I don't think many would disagree with that - and that he was sceptical about single anti-poverty programmes in trying to turn back that economic tide. And then in his speech, he went on to show how specific approaches could bring great benefits - back-to-work training schemes, educational attainment and many others. So, I wasn't quite sure where you were at the end of your contribution, Mike, but I did think it did display what coherent and focused community regeneration schemes could do in terms of upskilling our citizens. Oscar talked about the need for bustling high streets and the current high vacancy rates that we have in far too many of our towns, and this is something that other speakers also picked up. Mark, in the other part of his contribution, praised the concept of redundancy and that we should be dramatically closing down Government programmes that don't work. Well, you know, that's true, but we were calling for an effective community regeneration programme. We were well aware of the problems with the Welsh Government's scheme. So, that was the focus of our debate. Angela then rebutted Mark's epistemological attack on seaside towns and market towns. This was rather a theme of Mr Reckless this afternoon, in his search for definitions. But I thought Angela dealt with the practicalities of these matters, and pointed to that excellent report from the House of Lords select committee, and then the need for destination marketing. The success stories are incredible, and the towns that have not yet achieved that - they have great potential to do the same. We had a hint of this, I thought, from Huw, when his was talking about Maesteg town hall redevelopment, and its status as a hub. It reminds me of my own home town, Neath - it wasn't the town hall, but the Gwyn Hall, where there's been a great example, I think, of just that. Janet said 40 per cent of the Welsh population live in small towns. I've no idea if that's true, but I was very impressed with the assertion, anyway, and it's a reminder of how important this is to our community life. The Federation of Small Businesses has said how important towns are to our economic future, and we all agree with that. Jenny Rathbone, further on this theme, perhaps, was just saying how important good planning is and how it's needed in terms of town regeneration and development, and I certainly agree with that. Then the Minister ended with a calm defence of Government policy, and I thank her for her approach. It was a fairly constructive one, and no doubt you've listened to the debate this afternoon, and I do hope that we can see more effective community regeneration, which clearly would have support on all sides of this Assembly.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Ddirprwy Lywydd. A gaf fi ddiolch i bawb am gymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon? Llawer o gyfraniadau - ni lwyddaf i fynd trwyddynt i gyd. Dechreuodd Mark gyda'i frwdfrydedd arferol a'r gafael llwyr sydd ganddo ar y pwnc am ei fod wedi golygu cymaint iddo drwy gydol ei yrfa fel Aelod o'r Cynulliad, lle mae wedi hyrwyddo'r holl gysyniad o gydgyflwyno, cydgynhyrchu a bod hynny'n ganolog i adfywio cymunedol. Yn ddiweddarach, mewn cyfraniad braidd yn rhyfedd, rhaid i mi ddweud, gan Mark Reckless, dywedwyd wrthym nad yw 'cydgynhyrchiol' yn air. Roedd y cyfrifiadur yn dweud 'na' pan edrychodd Mark arno. [ Chwerthin.] Wel, nid wyf yn gwybod ble rydych chi wedi bod dros y pedair blynedd diwethaf, Mark, ond ni allech fod wedi gwrando ar unrhyw un o gyfraniadau bendigedig Mr Isherwood. Ac mae wedi bod yn siarad am gydgynhyrchu'n llawer hwy na phedair blynedd hefyd, felly gadewch i mi ddweud wrthych, mae yno, mae wedi'i sefydlu fel idiom wych ac un y dylem ei chyflawni. Gyda'i haelioni nodweddiadol a'i chwilio cyson am gonsensws, condemniodd Leanne haerllugrwydd Plaid Geidwadol Cymru am hyd yn oed gyflwyno'r ddadl hon a chawsom ein hatgoffa ganddi mai bai Mrs Thatcher oedd y cwbl ac yna cynigiodd rai awgrymiadau braidd yn amwys ynglŷn â sut y byddai'n ymdrin â newid strwythurol, gan anghofio y byddai annibyniaeth yn ein gosod ar ddiffyg o 25 y cant ar ein gwariant flwyddyn ar ôl blwyddyn o'r cychwyn. Ond beth bynnag, fe adawaf i'r blaid gyferbyn ymdrin â'r anghysonderau hyn. Dywedodd Mike mai mater o economeg yw tlodi - wel, yn y bôn, nid wyf yn credu y byddai llawer yn anghytuno â hynny - ac roedd yn amheus ynglŷn â rhaglenni gwrth-dlodi unigol i geisio troi'r llanw economaidd hwnnw. Ac yna yn ei araith, aeth ymlaen i ddangos sut y gallai dulliau penodol o weithredu sicrhau manteision mawr - cynlluniau hyfforddiant dychwelyd i'r gwaith, cyrhaeddiad addysgol a llawer o rai eraill. Felly, nid oeddwn yn siŵr iawn ble roeddech ar ddiwedd eich cyfraniad, Mike, ond roeddwn yn meddwl ei fod yn dangos beth y gallai cynlluniau adfywio cymunedol cydlynol a phenodol ei wneud i uwchsgilio ein dinasyddion. Soniodd Oscar am yr angen am strydoedd mawr prysur a'r cyfraddau uchel presennol o siopau gwag sydd gennym mewn llawer gormod o'n trefi, ac mae hyn yn rhywbeth a nodwyd gan siaradwyr eraill hefyd. Mewn rhan arall o'i gyfraniad, canmolodd Mark y cysyniad o ddiswyddiadau, ac y dylem fod yn cyfyngu'n ddramatig ar raglenni'r Llywodraeth nad ydynt yn gweithio. Wel, wyddoch chi, mae hynny'n wir, ond roeddem yn galw am raglen adfywio cymunedol effeithiol. Roeddem yn ymwybodol iawn o'r problemau gyda chynllun Llywodraeth Cymru. Felly, dyna oedd ffocws ein dadl. Yna, gwrthododd Angela ymosodiad epistemolegol Mark ar drefi glan môr a threfi marchnad. Roedd hon yn dipyn o thema gan Mr Reckless y prynhawn yma, wrth iddo chwilio am ddiffiniadau. Ond roeddwn o'r farn fod Angela wedi ymdrin ag ymarferoldeb y materion hyn, ac wedi cyfeirio at yr adroddiad ardderchog hwnnw gan bwyllgor dethol Tŷ'r Arglwyddi, ac yna'r angen i farchnata cyrchfannau. Mae'r straeon llwyddiant yn anhygoel, a'r trefi sydd heb gyflawni hynny eto - mae ganddynt botensial mawr i wneud yr un peth. Cawsom awgrym o hyn gan Huw, rwy'n credu, pan oedd yn sôn am ailddatblygu neuadd y dref Maesteg, a'i statws fel canolbwynt. Mae'n fy atgoffa o fy nhref enedigol, Castell-nedd - nid neuadd y dref, ond Neuadd Gwyn, lle gwelwyd enghraifft wych o hynny yn fy marn i. Dywedodd Janet fod 40 y cant o boblogaeth Cymru'n byw mewn trefi bach. Nid oes gennyf syniad a yw hynny'n wir, ond fe wnaeth yr honiad argraff fawr arnaf beth bynnag, ac mae'n ein hatgoffa pa mor bwysig yw hyn i'n bywyd cymunedol. Mae'r Ffederasiwn Busnesau Bach wedi dweud pa mor bwysig yw trefi i'n dyfodol economaidd, ac rydym i gyd yn cytuno. Ymhellach ar y thema hon, efallai, soniodd Jenny Rathbone pa mor bwysig yw cynllunio da a sut y mae ei angen wrth fynd ati i adfywio a datblygu trefi, ac rwy'n sicr yn cytuno â hynny. Yna gorffennodd y Gweinidog gydag amddiffyniad digyffro o bolisi'r Llywodraeth, ac rwy'n diolch iddi am ei hymagwedd. Roedd yn un eithaf adeiladol, ac rwy'n siŵr eich bod wedi gwrando ar y ddadl y prynhawn yma, ac rwy'n gobeithio y gallwn weld adfywio cymunedol mwy effeithiol, a fyddai'n ennyn cefnogaeth ar bob ochr i'r Cynulliad wrth gwrs.