English: If the Member wouldn't mind, I'll probably get to our approach as we get through the - . I'm trying to actually get through my contribution in the time allocated. But I thank you for the contribution to give us pause for thought as to actually where those opportunities could be to potentially look at things like this in the future. This shouldn't actually be about shifting towards a post-work world, but to realising a world of work that is dignified, decent and has well-being at its core - the well-being of the worker, the economy, and our environment. And it absolutely will mean that the worker voice is heard and represented and will require social partnership between both trade unions and employers. And I agree on the importance of looking at that international evidence, such as the four-day working week pilot in Iceland, and I will also be taking very close interest in development elsewhere, much closer to home, including in Scotland, where we've heard work is under way to develop a four-day working week pilot, and Welsh Government officials are already in touch with their counterparts in the Scottish Government who are working on that pilot, so we'll be following that very closely and speaking to them on that. Where we have amended the original Plaid motion, it's just because we think it's great to take a more evidence-based approach, and that means actively considering the progress that's made through the pilots in other countries, and in examining the lessons that Wales can learn, but also placing it within the wider context of improving work in Wales. The Icelandic pilot, which saw the public sector move from a 40-hour to a 35- or 36-hour week has provided some encouraging evidence. For example, productivity and service provision remained the same or improved across the majority of trial workplaces. However, it did cover a relatively small group of workers, most of whom were employed full time, so we need to consider that in the whole carefully, as we draw conclusions from it. In that context, it's also important to recognise the work on the Scottish pilot is still in its early stages. They're working through a number of issues to shape a pilot that has a robust design, and we look forward to looking at the further detail that will emerge from Scotland and to considering the evidence that emerges from the pilots in Ireland and in Spain. My colleague Jack Sargeant - my constituency neighbour Jack Sargeant - I know is hosting an event on this very subject tomorrow evening, and I'm really keen, as well as this debate today, to hear from those experiences, not just the possibilities, but actually addressing some of the challenges we've heard today to make sure - . You know, we can't legislate for maximum hours, but how can we use other levers, and also how can we do it in a way that has that equity of opportunity for workers across sectors? We oppose amendment 3, tabled by Darren Millar and spoken to by Joel James. There is no question of a four-day week being imposed on employers and workers in Wales. We believe in social partnership and an equal voice for employers and workers. Equally, we won't be supporting amendment 4, also in the name of Darren Millar, which reminds us that employment matters are reserved to the UK Parliament. This debate is not about legislating on employment matters; it's about how we may use our levers to promote and encourage more progressive working practices. And I have to say, from the contributions on the Conservative benches, it seems like the rhetoric and the slogan of levelling up doesn't apply to workers and workplaces. We will continue to take a close interest in the evidence around a four-day working week, in particular evidence that a four-day working week can improve people's work-life balance, help us cut carbon emissions and air pollution and support gender equality, without resulting in a loss of pay or a lowering of terms and conditions, whilst maintaining, and hopefully improving, productivity. This Welsh Government is working in social partnership to advance fair work, and I'm committed to undertaking a piece of broader work to look at the future of fair work in Wales, and as such, we look forward to following the developments of pilots in other countries and to drawing lessons from them as part of this work over the coming months, and I look forward to being able to work with colleagues in partnership to take that forward. Diolch.
Welsh: Os nad oes ots gan yr Aelod, fe ddeuaf at ein dull o weithredu wrth inni fynd drwy'r - . Rwy'n ceisio mynd drwy fy nghyfraniad yn yr amser a neilltuwyd. Ond diolch ichi am y cyfraniad i roi cyfle inni feddwl ble y gallai'r cyfleoedd hynny fod er mwyn edrych ar bethau fel hyn yn y dyfodol. Ni ddylai hyn ymwneud â symud tuag at fyd ôl-waith, ond yn hytrach â gwireddu byd gwaith sy'n llawn urddas, yn weddus ac sydd â lles wrth ei wraidd - lles y gweithiwr, yr economi a'n hamgylchedd. A bydd yn golygu bod llais y gweithiwr yn cael ei glywed a'i gynrychioli a bydd angen partneriaeth gymdeithasol rhwng undebau llafur a chyflogwyr. Ac rwy'n cytuno ynglŷn â phwysigrwydd edrych ar y dystiolaeth ryngwladol honno, megis y cynllun peilot wythnos waith pedwar diwrnod yng Ngwlad yr Iâ, a byddaf hefyd yn rhoi sylw manwl i ddatblygiadau mewn mannau eraill, yn llawer agosach at adref, gan gynnwys yn yr Alban, lle clywsom fod gwaith ar y gweill i ddatblygu cynllun peilot wythnos waith pedwar diwrnod, ac mae swyddogion Llywodraeth Cymru eisoes mewn cysylltiad â'u cymheiriaid yn Llywodraeth yr Alban sy'n gweithio ar y cynllun peilot hwnnw, felly byddwn yn dilyn hynny'n agos iawn ac yn siarad â hwy am hynny. Lle'r ydym wedi diwygio cynnig gwreiddiol Plaid Cymru, gwnaethom hynny'n unig am ein bod yn credu bod mabwysiadu ymagwedd sy'n seiliedig ar dystiolaeth yn dda, ac mae hynny'n golygu mynd ati i ystyried y cynnydd a wnaed drwy'r cynlluniau peilot mewn gwledydd eraill, ac archwilio'r gwersi y gall Cymru eu dysgu, ond hefyd ei osod o fewn cyd-destun ehangach gwella gwaith yng Nghymru. Mae cynllun peilot Gwlad yr Iâ, a welodd y sector cyhoeddus yn symud o wythnos 40 awr i wythnos 35 neu 36 awr, wedi darparu tystiolaeth galonogol. Er enghraifft, roedd cynhyrchiant a darparu gwasanaethau wedi aros yr un fath neu wedi gwella ar draws y rhan fwyaf o weithleoedd y treial. Fodd bynnag, grŵp cymharol fach o weithwyr oedd ynghlwm wrth y cynllun, gyda'r rhan fwyaf ohonynt wedi'u cyflogi'n llawn amser, felly mae angen inni ystyried hynny'n ofalus yn rhan o'r darlun cyfan, wrth inni ddod i gasgliadau. Yn y cyd-destun hwnnw, mae hefyd yn bwysig cydnabod bod y gwaith ar gynllun peilot yr Alban yn dal i fod yn ei gamau cynnar. Maent yn gweithio drwy nifer o faterion i lunio cynllun peilot trwyadl, ac edrychwn ymlaen at weld y manylion pellach a ddaw o'r Alban ac at ystyried y dystiolaeth sy'n deillio o'r cynlluniau peilot yn Iwerddon ac yn Sbaen. Gwn fod fy nghyd-Aelod Jack Sargeant - fy nghymydog etholaethol Jack Sargeant - yn cynnal digwyddiad ar yr union bwnc hwn nos yfory, ac rwy'n awyddus iawn, ochr yn ochr â'r ddadl hon heddiw, i glywed am y profiadau hynny, nid y posibiliadau'n unig, ond ynglŷn â mynd i'r afael â rhai o'r heriau y clywsom amdanynt heddiw i wneud yn siŵr - . Wyddoch chi, ni allwn ddeddfu ar gyfer uchafswm oriau, ond sut y gallwn ddefnyddio ysgogiadau eraill, a hefyd sut y gallwn ei wneud mewn ffordd sy'n sicrhau cyfle cyfartal i weithwyr ar draws y sectorau? Rydym yn gwrthwynebu gwelliant 3 a gyflwynwyd gan Darren Millar ac y siaradodd Joel James amdano. Nid oes unrhyw gwestiwn o orfodi wythnos pedwar diwrnod ar gyflogwyr a gweithwyr yng Nghymru. Credwn mewn partneriaeth gymdeithasol a llais cyfartal i gyflogwyr a gweithwyr. Yn yr un modd, ni fyddwn yn cefnogi gwelliant 4, hefyd yn enw Darren Millar, sy'n ein hatgoffa bod materion cyflogaeth wedi'u cadw'n ôl i Senedd y DU. Nid oes a wnelo'r ddadl hon â deddfu ar faterion cyflogaeth; mae'n ymwneud â sut y gallwn ddefnyddio ein dulliau ni i ysgogi a hyrwyddo arferion gwaith mwy blaengar. Ac mae'n rhaid i mi ddweud, o'r cyfraniadau ar feinciau'r Ceidwadwyr, mae'n edrych yn debyg nad yw'r rhethreg a'r sloganau ynghylch codi'r gwastad yn berthnasol i weithwyr a gweithleoedd. Byddwn yn parhau i roi sylw manwl i'r dystiolaeth ynglŷn ag wythnos waith pedwar diwrnod, yn enwedig tystiolaeth y gall wythnos waith pedwar diwrnod wella cydbwysedd bywyd a gwaith pobl, ein helpu i leihau allyriadau carbon a llygredd aer a chefnogi cydraddoldeb rhywiol, heb arwain at golli cyflog neu leihau telerau ac amodau, gan gynnal cynhyrchiant, a'i wella, gobeithio. Mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio mewn partneriaeth gymdeithasol i ddatblygu gwaith teg, ac rwyf wedi ymrwymo i wneud gwaith ehangach i edrych ar ddyfodol gwaith teg yng Nghymru, ac o'r herwydd, edrychwn ymlaen at ddilyn datblygiadau cynlluniau peilot mewn gwledydd eraill ac at ddysgu gwersi ganddynt fel rhan o'r gwaith hwn dros y misoedd nesaf, ac rwy'n edrych ymlaen at allu cydweithio mewn partneriaeth i fwrw ymlaen â hynny. Diolch.