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English: Llywydd, can I begin by agreeing with the opening point that the Member made? It is one of the genuine responsibilities of Government and, indeed, of the Assembly, to make sure that we remain alert to serious social needs whenever they take place. Inevitably, in the public domain, issues come and go, but I think I could say that, in the time that I've been a Member here, Members throughout this Assembly do make sure that they raise these issues right through the year, not just at the point when they happen to be under the public microscope, and that's a really important responsibility that the Assembly discharges. The money that we have provided - the additional £20 million in the budget this year and again into next year - is there all year round. It's there to support the rough-sleeping plan that my colleague the Minister with responsibility for housing and regeneration published earlier this year. In the round of budget bilaterals that I'm just concluding with all my Cabinet colleagues, housing has been discussed in every single one of those bilaterals because it is the foundation of a successful life, and everybody in Wales deserves to have a base from which they can plan for the future and create a future for themselves and their families.
Welsh: Lywydd, a gaf fi ddechrau drwy gytuno â phwynt agoriadol yr Aelod? Un o gyfrifoldebau diamheuol y Llywodraeth, ac yn wir, y Cynulliad, yw sicrhau ein bod yn parhau i fod yn effro i anghenion cymdeithasol difrifol pan fyddant yn codi. Yn anochel, yn y parth cyhoeddus, mae problemau'n mynd a dod, ond credaf y gallwn ddweud, ers i mi fod yn Aelod yn y lle hwn, fod Aelodau o bob rhan o'r Cynulliad yn sicrhau eu bod yn codi'r materion hyn drwy gydol y flwyddyn, nid yn unig pan fyddant yn digwydd bod o dan chwyddwydr y cyhoedd, a dyna un o'r cyfrifoldebau gwirioneddol bwysig y mae'r Cynulliad yn eu cyflawni. Mae'r arian a ddarparwyd gennym - yr £20 miliwn ychwanegol yn y gyllideb eleni ac eto'r flwyddyn nesaf - yno drwy gydol y flwyddyn. Mae yno i gefnogi'r cynllun cysgu allan a gyhoeddwyd yn gynharach eleni gan fy nghyd-Aelod, y Gweinidog sydd â chyfrifoldeb dros dai ac adfywio. Yn y rownd o gyfarfodydd dwyochrog ar y gyllideb rwyf ar fin ei chwblhau gyda fy holl gyd-Aelodau o'r Cabinet, mae tai yn faes a drafodwyd ym mhob un o'r cyfarfodydd dwyochrog hynny gan mai dyna yw'r sylfaen i fywyd llwyddiannus, ac mae pawb yng Nghymru'n haeddu sylfaen er mwyn gallu cynllunio ar gyfer y dyfodol a chreu dyfodol ar eu cyfer eu hunain a'u teuluoedd.
English: Cabinet Secretary, you will be aware of the recommendations by the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee that rough-sleepers be considered as a priority need for housing. However, before this can be implemented, enough resources and support will be needed in place to cope with this change. What discussion have you had with your Cabinet colleagues about increasing the amount of funding allocated to tackling the problem of homeless people rough-sleeping in Wales, please? Thank you.
Welsh: Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, fe fyddwch yn gwybod am argymhellion y Pwyllgor Cymunedau, Cydraddoldeb a Llywodraeth Leol y dylid ystyried pobl sy'n cysgu allan yn bobl ag angen blaenoriaethol am dai. Fodd bynnag, cyn y gellir gweithredu hyn, bydd angen digon o adnoddau a chymorth ar waith i ymdopi gyda'r newid hwn. Pa drafodaethau a gawsoch gyda'ch cyd-Aelodau o'r Cabinet ynglŷn â chynyddu'r swm o gyllid a ddyrannwyd i fynd i'r afael â phroblem pobl ddigartref yn cysgu allan yng Nghymru, os gwelwch yn dda? Diolch.
English: I thank the Member for the question. As I said just a moment ago, housing issues have featured in every single one of the budget bilaterals that I have had with Cabinet colleagues. Every Cabinet colleague has an interest in housing and homelessness matters, whether it be the mental health and physical health issues that homeless people face or the pressure on local government services that homelessness creates. So, I can give the Member an assurance that it is a matter that interests all members of the Cabinet. I know that the extra investment we were able to find for homelessness services was supported right across the Chamber. I have to say to the Member that any time someone here asks me to find extra money for any service at a time when the resources available to the Welsh Government as a whole are going down, the only way more money for one thing can be found is by taking it away from something else. He'll understand, I know, that that is a very challenging calculation to carry out.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelod am ei gwestiwn. Fel y dywedais eiliad yn ôl, mae materion tai wedi bod yn rhan o'r holl gyfarfodydd dwyochrog ar y gyllideb a gefais gyda chyd-Aelodau o'r Cabinet. Mae gan bob cyd-Aelod o'r Cabinet ddiddordeb mewn materion tai a digartrefedd, boed yn broblemau iechyd meddwl ac iechyd corfforol y mae pobl ddigartref yn eu hwynebu neu'r pwysau ar wasanaethau llywodraeth leol sy'n deillio o ddigartrefedd. Felly, gallaf roi sicrwydd i'r Aelod ei fod yn fater sydd o ddiddordeb i bob Aelod o'r Cabinet. Gwn fod y buddsoddiad ychwanegol a ddarparwyd gennym ar gyfer gwasanaethau digartrefedd wedi'i gefnogi ar draws y Siambr. Mae'n rhaid imi ddweud wrth yr Aelod, unrhyw dro y bydd rhywun yma yn gofyn imi ddod o hyd i ragor o arian ar gyfer unrhyw wasanaeth ar adeg pan fo'r adnoddau sydd ar gael i Lywodraeth Cymru yn gyffredinol yn prinhau fwyfwy, yr unig ffordd o ddod o hyd i arian ar gyfer un peth yw mynd ag ef oddi wrth rhywbeth arall. Gwn y bydd yn deall bod hwnnw'n gyfrifiad anodd iawn i'w wneud.
English: I understand that there are Housing First pilots that have been and are going to be developed in parts of Wales, which I welcome, as part of the commitment to tackle homelessness, but the involvement of other services, including justice and healthcare are key in relation to this. So, what are you doing to look at pooling budgets? I've spoken to the sector on many occasions and they've said to me that there's not enough conversation between housing and healthcare. Crisis, the charity, funded in the Liverpool city region - . They looked at the analysis of how Housing First worked there, and they found that access, for example, to second-tier mental health support and that learning and coaching were needed to make Housing First work. So, if we're going to make Housing First work here in Wales, which is something I support, how can we ensure that the budgets reflect that ambition?
Welsh: Deallaf fod cynlluniau peilot Tai yn Gyntaf wedi cael eu datblygu ac yn mynd i gael eu datblygu mewn rhannau o Gymru, ac rwy'n croesawu hynny, fel rhan o'r ymrwymiad i fynd i'r afael â digartrefedd, ond mae ymwneud gwasanaethau eraill, gan gynnwys cyfiawnder a gofal iechyd, yn allweddol mewn perthynas â hyn. Felly, beth rydych yn ei wneud i ystyried cyfuno'r cyllidebau? Rwyf wedi siarad gyda'r sector ar sawl achlysur ac maent wedi dweud wrthyf nad oes digon o sgwrs rhwng y maes tai a maes gofal iechyd. Mae Crisis, yr elusen, a ariennir yn ninas-ranbarth Lerpwl - . Maent wedi edrych ar y dadansoddiad o sut roedd Tai yn Gyntaf yn gweithio yno, a daethant i'r casgliad fod mynediad, er enghraifft, at gymorth iechyd meddwl ail haen a bod dysgu a hyfforddi yn angenrheidiol er mwyn sicrhau bod Tai yn Gyntaf yn gweithio. Felly, os ydym am sicrhau bod Tai yn Gyntaf yn gweithio yma yng Nghymru, sy'n rhywbeth rwy'n ei gefnogi, sut y gallwn sicrhau bod y cyllidebau'n adlewyrchu'r uchelgais hwnnw?
English: Well, Llywydd, the Member makes a series of important points. Of course, the difficulties faced by homeless people are complex, and they often involve other issues in their lives. It's why, of the £10 million directly found for homelessness services in this year's budget, £6 million of that has gone into providing extra places for people to stay, and £4 million has gone into the support services that need to be provided, if people are to be able to use the opportunity that the new start of a new place to live might provide to them. I'll think about the point that she has made about pooled budgets. They have pluses to them; they have downsides as well. Everybody who puts money into a pool needs to understand that that money can be used for purposes beyond those that they are responsible for themselves. Understandably, in tough times, organisations often look very jealously at the money they themselves have put in, and Members here often ask questions to make sure that the money is still being used for the purpose it was already provided for. So, shared budgets can be a solution, but they don't come without their downsides either. Certainly, it's a possibility we will keep in mind.
Welsh: Wel, Lywydd, mae'r Aelod yn gwneud nifer o bwyntiau pwysig. Wrth gwrs, mae'r anawsterau a wynebir gan bobl ddigartref yn gymhleth, ac yn aml maent yn ymwneud â phroblemau eraill yn eu bywydau. Dyna pam, o'r £10 miliwn a ddarparwyd yn uniongyrchol ar gyfer gwasanaethau digartrefedd yn y gyllideb eleni, fod £6 miliwn ohono wedi mynd i ddarparu lleoedd ychwanegol i bobl aros, ac mae £4 miliwn wedi mynd i'r gwasanaethau cymorth sydd angen eu darparu, er mwyn sicrhau y gall pobl fanteisio ar y cyfle y gallai dechrau newydd mewn lle newydd ei ddarparu iddynt. Byddaf yn ystyried y pwynt a wnaed ganddi ynglŷn â chyfuno cyllidebau. Mae ganddynt fanteision; mae ganddynt anfanteision hefyd. Mae angen i bawb sy'n rhoi arian mewn cronfa ddeall y gellir defnyddio'r arian hwnnw at ddibenion y tu hwnt i'r rhai y maent yn gyfrifol amdanynt eu hunain. Mae'n ddealladwy, mewn cyfnod anodd, fod sefydliadau yn aml yn edrych yn genfigennus iawn ar yr arian y maent hwy eu hunain wedi'i gyfrannu, ac mae Aelodau yma yn aml yn gofyn cwestiynau i sicrhau bod yr arian yn dal i gael ei ddefnyddio at y diben y cafodd ei ddarparu ar ei gyfer. Felly, gall rhannu cyllidebau fod yn ateb, ond nid ydynt yn dod heb eu hanfanteision chwaith. Yn sicr, mae'n bosibilrwydd y byddwn yn ei gadw mewn cof.
English: We now move to questions from the party spokespeople. The Conservative spokesperson, Nick Ramsay.
Welsh: Cwestiynau nawr gan lefarwyr y pleidiau. Llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr, Nick Ramsay.
English: Diolch, Llywydd. Cabinet Secretary, yesterday, in your statement on the vacant land tax, I described you as a jack of all trades when it came to developing new taxes; you've got a lot of different taxes on the go at the moment. In yesterday's statement, you spoke about testing the machinery in terms of the vacant land tax. If I can widen that question out into other potential new taxes that the Welsh Government might be considering in future, clearly one of those potential taxes would be one to deal with the social care time-bomb problem, and a potential social care levy, as other Members have discussed in this Chamber. Could you tell us: have you given any thought, as of yet, to a potential social care levy, and have you had any discussions with your colleagues about that?
Welsh: Diolch, Lywydd. Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, ddoe, yn eich datganiad ar y dreth ar dir gwag, fe'ch gelwais yn Siôn bob swydd mewn perthynas â datblygu trethi newydd; mae gennych lawer o drethi gwahanol ar y gweill ar hyn o bryd. Yn y datganiad ddoe, siaradoch am brofi'r mecanwaith mewn perthynas â'r dreth ar dir gwag. Os caf ehangu'r cwestiwn hwnnw i gynnwys trethi newydd posibl eraill y gallai Llywodraeth Cymru eu hystyried yn y dyfodol, mae'n amlwg mai un o'r trethi posibl hynny fyddai treth i fynd i'r afael â bom amser y broblem gofal cymdeithasol, ac ardoll gofal cymdeithasol bosibl, fel y trafodwyd gan Aelodau eraill yn y Siambr hon. A allwch ddweud wrthym: a ydych wedi rhoi unrhyw ystyriaeth, hyd yn hyn, i ardoll gofal cymdeithasol bosibl, ac a ydych wedi cael unrhyw drafodaethau gyda'ch cyd-Aelodau ynglŷn â hynny?
English: Llywydd, yes, we've been very actively engaged in this topic - particularly recently, following the ideas published by Professor Gerry Holtham. Professor Holtham has provided the Welsh Government with a near-final draft of an updated report, in which he looks in more detail at the way in which a dedicated social care fund, based on the model of the original national insurance fund, might be developed for Wales. The First Minister has set up a cross-ministerial group, chaired by my colleague Huw Irranca-Davies, and that will begin its work by looking at three dimensions. It will look in detail at Professor Holtham's work to make sure that there is a workable economic model there, but it will look, as well, at what the social care services of the future need to look like. If we ever were to be in a position of trying to persuade people in Wales to dig deeper into their pockets to make provision for the future, then they will quite rightly expect us to be able to describe what it is they are going to get for the investment that they are making. And the third strand in the work that that group will do will be to look at the interface with the UK, because a social care solution for Wales has to interface with the benefits system, with the wider tax system, with the work of the Department of Health and so on.
Welsh: Lywydd, do, rydym wedi bod yn ymwneud yn weithredol iawn â'r pwnc hwn - yn arbennig yn ddiweddar, yn dilyn syniadau a gyhoeddwyd gan yr Athro Gerry Holtham. Mae'r Athro Holtham wedi rhoi drafft sydd bron â bod yn ddrafft terfynol o adroddiad wedi'i ddiweddaru i Lywodraeth Cymru, ac ynddo mae'n edrych yn fanylach ar y ffordd y gellid datblygu cronfa gofal cymdeithasol bwrpasol ar gyfer Cymru, yn seiliedig ar fodel y gronfa yswiriant gwladol wreiddiol. Mae'r Prif Weinidog wedi sefydlu grŵp trawsweinidogaethol, a gadeirir gan fy nghyd-Aelod, Huw Irranca-Davies, a bydd y grŵp yn dechrau ei waith drwy edrych ar dair elfen. Bydd yn edrych yn fanwl ar waith yr Athro Holtham er mwyn sicrhau ei fod yn cynnwys model economaidd ymarferol, ond bydd yn edrych hefyd ar sut y dylai gwasanaethau gofal cymdeithasol y dyfodol weithredu. Pe baem byth mewn sefyllfa lle byddem yn ceisio darbwyllo pobl yng Nghymru i fynd yn ddyfnach i'w pocedi er mwyn darparu ar gyfer y dyfodol, byddai'n gwbl deg iddynt ddisgwyl inni allu disgrifio beth fyddant yn ei gael am eu buddsoddiad. A'r drydedd elfen o waith y grŵp fydd edrych ar y rhyngwynebu gyda'r DU, gan fod yn rhaid i ateb gofal cymdeithasol ar gyfer Cymru ryngwynebu gyda'r system fudd-daliadau, gyda'r system dreth ehangach, gyda gwaith yr Adran Iechyd ac ati.
English: Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. This is clearly a horrendously complicated area. It's an enormous problem that's gone on for a long time, and which will need to be dealt with in some form or other in the not-too-distant future. You mentioned Professor Holtham's research, and Professor Holtham suggested that an age-related, graduated tax might be best, at least in the short term. In her question to you earlier, Julie Morgan mentioned some of the problems that she identified that women could experience in the post-structural-funds world. The Commissioner for Older People in Wales has pointed out that there could be potential disadvantages in Professor Holtham's proposals for certain groups of people in the social care levy - particularly women and those on low pay, as well as those older people that you may be asking to pay more under this model. Specifically, the older people's commissioner notes - . She says, and I paraphrase, that you're essentially saying, 'Thanks for everything you've paid in. We told you that when your time came it would be free. Sorry, it's not.' Are you confident that the concerns of the older people's commissioner and others are being taken into account when working out potential proposals for a social care levy?
Welsh: Diolch, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Yn amlwg, mae hwn yn faes dychrynllyd o gymhleth. Mae'n broblem enfawr sydd wedi bod ar y gweill ers amser maith, a bydd angen mynd i'r afael â hi ar ryw ffurf neu'i gilydd yn y dyfodol agos. Fe sonioch am ymchwil yr Athro Holtham, ac awgrymodd yr Athro Holtham efallai mai treth raddedig sy'n gysylltiedig ag oedran fyddai orau, o leiaf yn y tymor byr. Yn ei chwestiwn i chi yn gynharach, soniodd Julie Morgan am rai o'r problemau a nodwyd ganddi y gallai menywod eu hwynebu ar ôl i'r cronfeydd strwythurol ddod i ben. Mae Comisiynydd Pobl Hŷn Cymru wedi nodi y gall fod anfanteision posibl yng nghynigion yr Athro Holtham ar gyfer rhai grwpiau o bobl yn yr ardoll gofal cymdeithasol - yn enwedig menywod a phobl ar gyflogau isel, yn ogystal â'r bobl hŷn y gallech fod yn gofyn iddynt dalu mwy o dan y model hwn. Yn benodol, noda'r comisiynydd pobl hŷn - . Mae'n dweud, ac rwy'n aralleirio, eich bod yn dweud i bob pwrpas, 'Diolch am bopeth rydych wedi'i dalu i mewn. Fe ddywedasom wrthych y byddai'n rhad ac am ddim pan ddôi eich amser. Mae'n ddrwg gennym, ond nid yw hynny'n wir.' A ydych yn hyderus fod pryderon y comisiynydd pobl hŷn ac eraill yn cael eu hystyried wrth nodi'r cynigion posibl ar gyfer ardoll gofal cymdeithasol?
English: Well, Llywydd, even in a paraphrase we would not have said to anybody, 'We told you it would be free', because it's one of the defining characteristics of the social care system that it is means-tested. We have many debates here, in this Chamber, about trying to join up the health and social care system and the barriers that exist to that. Personally, I've always believed that one of the real fault lines that makes it difficult to do that is that healthcare is free at the point of use and social care is means-tested. That always makes it difficult to bring those two systems close together. Now, Professor Holtham, in his paper, talks about inter-generational fairness, and he deals with some other things that Members here will be very familiar with - the arguments that people born after 1980 have, at comparable points in their lives, a less-advantageous financial outlook than people who were born 30 or 40 years earlier than them. He draws on work in Japan, where there is indeed a graduated tax, where the older you are you pay a bit more towards social care. In your twenties, you never believe you'll need social care. By the time you're 50, you begin to realise that this could be you. Therefore, social acceptability, in terms of paying towards things, is calibrated in that way, but it is only one of the factors that Professor Holtham proposes, and he models a series of different ways in which payments could be made into a fund, and a graduated tax rising by age is only one of the models that he investigates.
Welsh: Wel, Lywydd, hyd yn oed mewn aralleiriad, ni fyddem wedi dweud wrth unrhyw un, 'Fe ddywedasom wrthych y byddai'n rhad ac am ddim', gan mai un o nodweddion diffiniol y system gofal cymdeithasol yw ei bod yn dibynnu ar brawf modd. Rydym yn cael llawer o ddadleuon yma, yn y Siambr hon, ynglŷn â cheisio cysylltu'r system iechyd a'r system gofal cymdeithasol a'r rhwystrau yn hynny o beth. Yn bersonol, rwyf wedi credu erioed mai un o'r gwir anawsterau sy'n gwneud hynny'n anodd yw bod gofal iechyd yn rhad ac am ddim pan gaiff ei ddefnyddio ac mae gofal cymdeithasol yn dibynnu ar brawf modd. Mae hynny bob amser yn ei gwneud hi'n anodd dod â'r ddwy system honno'n agos at ei gilydd. Nawr, yn ei bapur, mae'r Athro Holtham yn sôn am degwch rhwng y cenedlaethau, ac mae'n trafod rhai pethau eraill y bydd yr Aelodau yma'n gyfarwydd iawn â hwy - y dadleuon fod gan bobl a aned ar ôl 1980, ar bwyntiau cymharol yn eu bywydau, ragolygon ariannol llai ffafriol na phobl a aned 30 neu 40 mlynedd ynghynt. Mae'n cyfeirio at waith yn Japan, lle mae treth raddedig ar waith, lle rydych yn talu ychydig yn fwy tuag at ofal cymdeithasol wrth fynd yn hŷn. Yn eich ugeiniau, nid ydych byth yn credu y bydd angen gofal cymdeithasol arnoch. Erbyn eich bod yn 50, rydych yn dechrau sylweddoli y gallai ddigwydd i chi. Felly, caiff derbynioldeb cymdeithasol, o ran talu am bethau, ei raddnodi yn y ffordd honno, ond nid yw ond yn un o'r ffactorau a gynigir gan yr Athro Holtham, ac mae'n modelu cyfres o wahanol ffyrdd y gellid gwneud taliadau i mewn i gronfa, ac nid yw treth raddedig sy'n codi gydag oedran ond yn un o'r modelau a archwilir ganddo.
English: Llywydd, well, I think the contribution that Nick Ramsay has made does point exactly to both the potential of this idea, but also the pitfalls that get in the way of it, and demonstrates why it has been so difficult for Governments of all political persuasions to make a real inroad into this policy problem. I was due to give evidence to the Finance Committee in your inquiry into this earlier this month, and will do - I hope, now - next year. For that reason, I re-read the Dilnot review that, in 2012, said that this matter was absolutely urgent and couldn't be left any longer, and I re-read Gwenda Thomas's Green Paper of a decade ago, which reflects many of the debates that are still here today. That just shows what a difficult problem it is to address. However, Professor Holtham does very directly address the final point that Nick Ramsay made. The national insurance fund, Llywydd, began as a funded system. It remained so until 1957, when the Macmillan Government decided that it would dip into it in order to meet current expenditure, and as a result, we now have a pay-as-you-go system. Holtham says clearly if you're going to persuade people to pay into a fund, it has to be organised in a way that people can have confidence that Governments cannot dip their hands in it in tough times, and the money that you pay in really is there for this purpose.
Welsh: Lywydd, wel, credaf fod y cyfraniad a wnaeth Nick Ramsay yn tynnu sylw'n bendant at botensial y syniad hwn, ond hefyd y peryglon sy'n peri rhwystrau iddo, ac yn dangos pam ei bod wedi bod mor anodd i Lywodraethau o bob lliw gwleidyddol wneud cynnydd go iawn mewn perthynas â'r broblem bolisi hon. Roeddwn i fod i roi tystiolaeth i'r Pwyllgor Cyllid yn eich ymchwiliad i hyn yn gynharach y mis hwn, a byddaf yn gwneud hynny - gobeithio, bellach - y flwyddyn nesaf. Am y rheswm hwnnw, ailddarllenais adolygiad Dilnot a ddywedodd, yn 2012, fod y mater hwn yn fater brys ac na ellid ei anwybyddu mwyach, ac ailddarllenais bapur gwyrdd Gwenda Thomas ddegawd yn ôl, sy'n adlewyrchu llawer o'r dadleuon sy'n dal i fod yma heddiw. Mae hynny'n dangos pa mor anodd yw mynd i'r afael â'r broblem hon. Fodd bynnag, mae'r Athro Holtham yn cyfeirio'n uniongyrchol at y pwynt olaf a wnaeth Nick Ramsay. Dechreuodd y gronfa yswiriant gwladol, Lywydd, fel system a ariennir. Bu felly tan 1957, pan benderfynodd Llywodraeth Macmillan y byddai'n defnyddio arian ohoni i dalu am wariant cyfredol, ac o ganlyniad, mae gennym system talu wrth ddefnyddio bellach. Dywed Holtham yn glir, os ydych am berswadio pobl i dalu i mewn i gronfa, fod yn rhaid trefnu hynny mewn ffordd sy'n sicrhau y gall pobl fod yn hyderus na all Llywodraethau ddefnyddio arian ohoni mewn cyfnodau anodd, a bod yr arian rydych yn ei dalu i mewn yn cael ei ddefnyddio at y diben hwn mewn gwirionedd.