English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I was in Newtown during the lunch break today buying a light bulb, and I was in a shop with my jeans on and my trainers and a constituent recognised me, even though I had my mask on, and thought I was having a leisurely stroll and not doing my job. I said, 'No, no, I'm out buying a light bulb; I need the light bulb to go back to my office to plug in, otherwise I will be delivering my debate in the Senedd this afternoon in the dark.' It just made me think how bizarre that conversation would have been just 12 months ago. But, look, I thank the Members for their contribution this afternoon. I was struck by something Mike Hedges said in terms of the working experiment, in the context of children being in the home as well at the moment. That won't, hopefully, be the norm, so it's difficult to know and properly capture this experience whilst we're currently in this pandemic, of course. Other things that Mike talked about: growth determined by individual decisions - absolutely. And Mike also pointing out that the change will not be painless - I think we recognise that as a committee as well. Thank you, Suzy, for your contribution. Quite right, homeworking isn't for everyone, and I think it's quite right as well to question what kind of demand there will be for the hubs. We just don't know yet how that is going to pan out and how that's going to fit into remote working more widely. And Suzy also was pointing out that working longer hours, especially, can affect some groups of people as well, such as women, so is something as well to take into account. I thank David Rowlands for his contribution today. I think the scope for Welsh Government to set up co-working hubs was also discussed as well, and I think there are obviously the traffic issues as well that David Rowlands rightly mentioned. The Minister - . I thank the Deputy Minister as well. I think that you're right, Deputy Minister, there's a point that we don't go back to the bad old days. I think you're also right that the barriers that were there in the past to homeworking have perhaps been proven wrong. I agree with that. I was interested in your announcement earlier today in regard to co-working pilots - so, interesting to see the progress in that - and of course I'm pleased that you're considering the implications for town centres, which you talked about as well. So, apart from that, Deputy Llywydd, I would like to say that this is the last committee debate that I shall lead, so, like Kirsty Williams said earlier it was her dream job, I've felt like it's my dream job. I've really enjoyed chairing this committee and we've hit on reports on issues that I've really been passionate about and taken an interest in previously, so I've really enjoyed my time as the Chair of this committee. But, finally, to thank the clerking team and the wider integrated team for their support - huge support from them - and we're indebted to them as Members, so thank you to them; I'd like to put that on the record. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Roeddwn yn y Drenewydd yn ystod amser cinio heddiw yn prynu bwlb golau, ac roeddwn mewn siop yn gwisgo jîns a fy esgidiau ymarfer a dyma etholwr yn fy adnabod er fy mod yn gwisgo masg, a meddwl fy mod yn mynd am dro hamddenol yn hytrach na gwneud fy ngwaith. Dywedais, 'Na, na, rwyf allan yn prynu bwlb golau; rwyf angen y bwlb golau ar gyfer fy swyddfa, neu fel arall byddaf yn cyflwyno fy nadl yn y Senedd y prynhawn yma yn y tywyllwch.' Fe wnaeth imi feddwl pa mor rhyfedd y byddai'r sgwrs honno wedi bod cwta 12 mis yn ôl. Ond edrychwch, diolch i'r Aelodau am eu cyfraniad y prynhawn yma. Fe'm trawyd gan rywbeth a ddywedodd Mike Hedges am yr arbrawf gweithio, yn y cyd-destun fod plant gartref hefyd ar hyn o bryd. Nid dyna fydd y norm, gobeithio, felly mae'n anodd gwybod ac asesu'r profiad yn briodol tra byddwn ynghanol y pandemig wrth gwrs. Pethau eraill y soniodd Mike amdanynt: fod cynnydd i'w bennu gan benderfyniadau unigol - yn hollol. A dywedodd Mike hefyd na fydd y newid yn ddi-boen - credaf ein bod ni'n cydnabod hynny fel pwyllgor hefyd. Diolch, Suzy, am eich cyfraniad. Rydych yn hollol gywir, nid yw gweithio gartref yn gweddu i bawb, ac rwyf hefyd yn credu ei bod yn hollol gywir inni gwestiynu pa fath o alw a fydd am yr hybiau. Nid ydym yn gwybod eto sut y bydd hynny'n gweithio na sut y bydd yn cyd-fynd â gweithio o bell yn ehangach. Ac roedd Suzy hefyd yn tynnu sylw at y ffaith y gall gweithio oriau hirach, yn enwedig, effeithio ar rai grwpiau o bobl hefyd, megis menywod, felly mae hynny'n rhywbeth i'w ystyried hefyd. Diolch i David Rowlands am ei gyfraniad heddiw. Rwy'n credu bod y cyfle i Lywodraeth Cymru sefydlu hybiau gweithio ar y cyd wedi cael ei drafod hefyd, ac yn amlwg, rwy'n credu bod yna broblemau o ran traffig y soniodd David Rowlands amdanynt yn briodol hefyd. Y Gweinidog - . Diolch i'r Dirprwy Weinidog hefyd. Rwy'n credu eich bod yn iawn, Ddirprwy Weinidog, mae yna bwynt na ddylem ddychwelyd at yr hen ddyddiau gwael. Rwy'n credu eich bod hefyd yn iawn fod y rhwystrau a oedd yno yn y gorffennol i weithio gartref wedi'u profi'n anghywir o bosibl. Rwy'n cytuno â hynny. Roedd gennyf ddiddordeb yn eich cyhoeddiad yn gynharach heddiw ar gynlluniau peilot ar gyfer gweithio ar y cyd - felly, mae'n ddiddorol gweld y cynnydd yn hynny o beth - ac wrth gwrs rwy'n falch eich bod yn ystyried y goblygiadau ar gyfer canol trefi, y sonioch chi amdanynt hefyd. Felly, ar wahân i hynny, Ddirprwy Lywydd, hoffwn ddweud mai hon yw'r ddadl bwyllgor olaf y byddaf yn ei harwain, felly, fel y dywedodd Kirsty Williams yn gynharach am ei swydd ddelfrydol, rwyf wedi teimlo mai hon yw fy swydd ddelfrydol i. Rwyf wedi mwynhau cadeirio'r pwyllgor hwn yn fawr ac rydym wedi llunio adroddiadau ar faterion rwyf wedi teimlo'n angerddol yn eu cylch ac wedi bod â diddordeb ynddynt yn flaenorol, felly rwyf wedi mwynhau fy amser fel Cadeirydd y pwyllgor hwn yn fawr. Ond yn olaf, diolch i'r tîm clercio a'r tîm integredig ehangach am eu cymorth - cymorth enfawr ganddynt - ac rydym yn ddyledus iddynt fel Aelodau, felly diolch iddynt; hoffwn gofnodi hynny. Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd.