English: Well, Llywydd, I try to provide an honest answer every time I speak at this dispatch box. That doesn't mean to say that I'll give an answer that the Member would like me to give. That's not a test of honesty. He shouldn't imply that it is. He said a moment ago that the High Court found that, at the point when decisions were being made, there wasn't scientific certainty that asymptomatic transmission was taking place. I think it's important for people just to recognise for a moment that, at this point in the history of understanding this disease, we were learning, everybody was learning new things about it every single day. I agree with the point that the leader of Plaid Cymru makes that you cannot divorce the understanding in Wales from the understanding across the whole of the United Kingdom, because the advice that we were relying upon was advice that came, very often, from that UK level. It's why the constant belief that a Wales-only inquiry could give you answers is so mistaken, because it wouldn't be able to explore exactly that issue, because none of those people would be around the table able to give evidence to an exclusively Welsh inquiry. I don't think it will be in anybody's interests for the Chamber to act as though it were the commission of inquiry. We're not. The commission of inquiry is independent of this Senedd, as it is independent of the Government here. These issues, which are absolutely proper issues, deserve to be heard in the detail that they would require, with the forensic examination that the inquiry will provide. Then we will see whether the decisions that were made here in Wales, in the state of knowledge at the time, with the evidence and advice that we had available to us, were defensible or not.
Welsh: Wel, Llywydd, rwy'n ceisio rhoi ateb gonest bob tro y byddaf i'n siarad wrth y blwch traddodi hwn. Nid yw hynny'n golygu y byddaf i'n rhoi ateb yr hoffai'r Aelod i mi ei roi. Nid yw hynny'n brawf o onestrwydd. Ni ddylai awgrymu ei fod. Dywedodd eiliad yn ôl fod yr Uchel Lys wedi canfod, ar yr adeg pan oedd penderfyniadau yn cael eu gwneud, nad oedd sicrwydd gwyddonol bod trosglwyddiad asymptomatig yn digwydd. Rwy'n credu ei bod hi'n bwysig i bobl gydnabod am eiliad yr oeddem ni, ar yr adeg hon yn hanes deall y clefyd hwn, yn dysgu, roedd pawb yn dysgu pethau newydd amdano bob un dydd. Rwy'n cytuno â'r pwynt y mae arweinydd Plaid Cymru yn ei wneud na allwch chi wahanu'r ddealltwriaeth yng Nghymru oddi wrth y ddealltwriaeth ledled y Deyrnas Unedig gyfan, gan fod y cyngor yr oeddem ni'n dibynnu arno yn gyngor a ddaeth, yn aml iawn, o lefel y DU honno. Dyna pam mae'r gred gyson y gallai ymchwiliad i Gymru yn unig roi atebion i chi mor anghywir, gan na fyddai'n gallu archwilio'r union fater hwnnw, gan na fyddai'r un o'r bobl hynny o gwmpas y bwrdd yn gallu rhoi tystiolaeth i ymchwiliad Cymru yn unig. Nid wyf i'n credu y bydd o fudd i unrhyw un i'r Siambr weithredu fel pe bai'n gomisiwn ymchwiliad. Nid ydym. Mae'r comisiwn ymchwiliad yn annibynnol ar y Senedd hon, ac mae hefyd yn annibynnol ar y Llywodraeth yma. Mae'r materion hyn, sy'n faterion cwbl briodol, yn haeddu cael eu clywed yn y manylder y byddai eu hangen arnyn nhw, gyda'r archwiliad fforensig y bydd yr ymchwiliad yn ei ddarparu. Yna cawn weld a oedd modd amddiffyn y penderfyniadau a wnaed yma yng Nghymru, yn y sefyllfa o ran gwybodaeth ar y pryd, gyda'r dystiolaeth a'r cyngor a oedd ar gael i ni, ai peidio.