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English: Thank you, Llywydd. I would like to make a request for a debate in Government time, as we await the statement from the First Minister on the decision on the M4 corridor around Newport. I have no doubt that strong views will be expressed during the next three quarters of an hour or a little longer that will be allocated for that statement today, and there will be strong arguments on both sides, I'm sure. But dare I suggest that there is more to be said than can be covered in response to a statement from Government today? So, I would like to request a debate, and a substantial debate, in Government time, possibly over two days even, on what exactly the implications of this decision are and what steps need to be taken as an institution, as a Government and as a nation, as we move forward from this particular point in time. I think this has been one of the most important political issues that we have discussed in recent years, but I do believe in light of that that we do need to ensure that there is adequate time allocated here in our national Parliament to have this important debate as we face the next steps.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Cais sydd gen i am ddadl yn amser y Llywodraeth, a hynny wrth inni aros yn fan hyn am ddatganiad gan y Prif Weinidog ar y penderfyniad ynglŷn â'r M4 yn ardal Casnewydd. Does yna ddim amheuaeth gen i y bydd safbwyntiau cryf yn cael eu gwyntyllu yn ystod y tri chwarter awr neu'r ychydig mwy a fydd yn cael ei neilltuo ar gyfer hynny heddiw a'r dadleuon ar y ddwy ochr, dwi'n siwr. Ond feiddiwn i awgrymu bod yna ragor i'w ddweud nag all gael ei ddweud mewn ymateb i ddatganiad gan y Llywodraeth heddiw? Felly, mi hoffwn i wneud cais am ddadl, a dadl sylweddol, yn amser y Llywodraeth, o bosib hyd yn oed dros ddau ddiwrnod, ynglŷn â beth yn union ydy goblygiadau'r penderfyniad yma, a beth ydy'r camau sydd angen i ni eu cymryd fel sefydliad, y Llywodraeth yma a ni fel cenedl, wrth inni symud ymlaen o'r pwynt hwn mewn amser. Dwi'n meddwl bod hwn wedi bod yn un o'r testunau gwleidyddol pwysicaf i ni ei drafod mewn blynyddoedd diweddar, ond dwi'n credu yn wyneb hynny fod angen sicrhau bod digon o amser yn cael ei neilltuo yma yn ein Senedd genedlaethol ni i gael y drafodaeth bwysig yma wrth inni wynebu'r camau nesaf.
English: Well, the inspector's report is very long and very detailed, as is the decision letter, and it is really important that Members do have the opportunity to read both of those documents and to consider them fully before we schedule a debate in Government time. But we will bring forward a debate in Government time during the forthcoming weeks, once Members have had the opportunity to consider fully the information that's been set out today.
Welsh: Wel, mae adroddiad yr arolygydd yn hir iawn ac yn fanwl iawn, fel y llythyr penderfyniad, ac mae'n bwysig iawn i'r Aelodau gael cyfle i ddarllen y ddwy ddogfen a'u hystyried yn llawn cyn trefnu dadl yn amser y Llywodraeth. Ond fe fyddwn ni'n cyflwyno dadl yn amser y Llywodraeth yn ystod yr wythnosau nesaf, wedi i'r Aelodau gael cyfle i ystyried yn llawn yr wybodaeth sydd wedi ei chyflwyno heddiw.
English: And that brings us to the statement by the First Minister on the M4 corridor around Newport, and I call on the First Minister to make the statement.
Welsh: Ac felly dyma ni yn cyrraedd y datganiad gan y Prif Weinidog ar goridor yr M4 o amgylch Casnewydd, ac rwy'n galw ar y Prif Weinidog i wneud ei ddatganiad.
English: When a Government gets it wrong, admits its mistake and endeavours to put matters right, maybe it's my Sunday school upbringing, but I think the proper response in the first instance is to praise the repentant for seeing the error of their ways. And there will be many, many hallelujahs uttered across Wales in response to this u-turn, as there was to the u-turn last week. And I'm pleased to add our amen on this side to the decision made today. We repeatedly said in response to this question that the black route as proposed was both environmentally destructive and financially unjustifiable. I think both points have been borne out, really, in the statement that we've heard from the First Minister. Financially destructive for the reasons set out very, very clearly by the future generations commissioner in her evidence to the public inquiry itself; financially unjustifiable because, as the First Minister said, it would have siphoned such a large proportion of the limited borrowing powers that we have and of the overstretched capital investment funds available to the Welsh Government.
Welsh: Pan fydd Llywodraeth yn gwneud camgymeriad, yn cwympo ar ei bai ac yn ymdrechu i unioni'r cam, efallai mai fy magwraeth i yn yr ysgol Sul yw hyn, ond yr ymateb priodol yn y lle cyntaf, yn fy marn i, yw llawenydd am y pechadur sy'n edifarhau am ei bechodau. A bydd llawer o bobl ledled Cymru yn dweud 'haleliwia' mewn ymateb i'r tro pedol hwn, fel yr oedd i'r tro pedol yr wythnos diwethaf. Ac mae'n bleser gennyf ychwanegu Amen ar yr ochr hon oherwydd y penderfyniad a wnaed heddiw. Rydym wedi dweud dro ar ôl tro mewn ymateb i'r cwestiwn hwn fod y llwybr du fel y'i cynigiwyd yn ddinistriol o safbwynt amgylcheddol ac na ellir ei gyfiawnhau yn ariannol. Credaf fod y ddau bwynt wedi cael eu cadarnhau, mewn gwirionedd, yn y datganiad yr ydym wedi ei glywed gan y Prif Weinidog. Mae'n ddinistriol yn ariannol am y rhesymau a nodwyd yn glir iawn gan gomisiynydd cenedlaethau'r dyfodol yn ei thystiolaeth hi i'r ymchwiliad cyhoeddus ei hun; ni ellir ei gyfiawnhau yn ariannol oherwydd, fel y dywedodd y Prif Weinidog, byddai wedi tynnu cyfran mor fawr o'r pwerau benthyca cyfyngedig sydd gennym ni a'r arian buddsoddi cyfalaf prin sydd ar gael i Lywodraeth Cymru.
English: I think we need to pay tribute to the campaigners, both locally and nationally, who urged the Government to safeguard one of Wales's greatest treasures, the Gwent levels. Now, I would appreciate it if the First Minister could tell us about the role of the important and significant declaration - more significant than ever now - in terms of the climate emergency, given the role of young people particularly, both globally and in Wales, in calling on the Government to make this declaration. And is it true to say that not only, therefore, were we the first nation to make that declaration, but the first nation where that declaration has clearly had a substantial impact on a policy decision of some import, which will have an impact, more than anything else, of course, on those very young people who are campaigning for the decision that we've seen today?
Welsh: Mae eisiau, rwy'n credu, talu teyrnged i'r ymgyrchwyr, onid oes e, yn lleol ac yn genedlaethol, a oedd yn ymbil ar y Llywodraeth i amddiffyn un o drysorau mwyaf Cymru, sef gwastadeddau Gwent? Buaswn i'n hoffi petasai'r Prif Weinidog yn gallu dweud ychydig bach mwy am rôl y datganiad pwysig arwyddocaol - mwy arwyddocaol fyth nawr - o ran yr argyfwng hinsawdd, o gofio am rôl pobl ifanc yn arbennig, yn fyd-eang ac yng Nghymru, yn galw ar i'r Llywodraeth wneud y datganiad yma. Ac a ydyw e'n wir i ddweud, nid yn unig, felly, taw ni oedd y wlad gyntaf i wneud y datganiad hynny, ond y wlad gyntaf lle mae'r datganiad yn amlwg wedi cael effaith sylweddol ar benderfyniad polisi o bwys a fydd yn effeithio yn arbennig, yn fwy nag unrhyw un arall, wrth gwrs, ar yr union bobl ifanc a oedd yn ymgyrchu dros y penderfyniad rŷn ni wedi gweld heddiw?
English: Llywydd, I thank Adam Price for those remarks. Let me begin by saying that I want to pay tribute to all those who gave their time and their expertise to the public inquiry on very different sides of the argument. Of course there will be groups who will feel that their views have come through in the final decision, and there were, as Adam Price said, many young people who contributed to the public inquiry making those environmental points, but there were, equally, just as committed people making other arguments, who took a lot of time and trouble to put those views to the inquiry. I pay tribute to all of those who are so motivated to participate in these very important public decisions in Wales that they take the trouble to turn up and to produce documents that argue their case, on all sides of the argument.
Welsh: Llywydd, fe hoffwn i ddiolch i Adam Price am y sylwadau yna. Gadewch i mi ddechrau drwy ddweud fy mod am roi teyrnged i bawb a roddodd o'u hamser a'u harbenigedd i'r ymchwiliad cyhoeddus o safbwyntiau gwahanol iawn ynglŷn â'r ddadl. Wrth gwrs, fe fydd yna grwpiau sydd yn teimlo bod eu barn nhw wedi dod i'r amlwg yn y penderfyniad terfynol, ac fel y dywedodd Adam Price, mae llawer o bobl ifanc a gyfrannodd at yr ymchwiliad cyhoeddus yn gwneud y pwyntiau amgylcheddol hynny, ond yn yr un modd roedd yna bobl ymroddedig yn dadlau fel arall, a roddodd o'u hamser a mynd i drafferth fawr i gyflwyno'r safbwyntiau hynny i'r ymchwiliad. Rhoddaf deyrnged i bawb sydd wedi teimlo cymaint o ysgogiad i gymryd rhan yn y penderfyniadau cyhoeddus tra phwysig hyn yng Nghymru fel eu bod yn mynd i'r drafferth i ddod a chynhyrchu dogfennau sy'n dadlau eu hachos, o bob ochr i'r ddadl.
English: We're now quite considerably over the time allocated by the Government for this statement, and I have many speakers yet to ask a question. And as the Government has said, there will be a debate again on this issue, but I'm going to allow short questions from the remainder of Members who wish to contribute. I'll challenge you first on that, Mike Hedges.
Welsh: Bellach, rydym dros yr amser a neilltuwyd gan y Llywodraeth ar gyfer y datganiad hwn yn eithaf sylweddol, ac mae gennyf lawer o siaradwyr sydd heb ofyn eu cwestiwn eto. Ac fel y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi dweud, bydd dadl eto ar y mater hwn, ond rwy'n mynd i ganiatáu cwestiynau byr gan weddill yr Aelodau sy'n dymuno cyfrannu. Fe'ch heriaf yn gyntaf ar hynny, Mike Hedges.
English: I'm normally pretty good, Presiding Officer -
Welsh: Rwy'n eithaf da fel arfer, Llywydd -
English: You are, you are; that's why I went for you first.
Welsh: Yr ydych, yr ydych; dyna pam y dewisais i chi'n gyntaf.
English: Can I welcome the decision? The traffic problems around Newport at peak times need addressing, but the M25 gives us an example of what happens with new roads: first of all it gets built, then it gets made wider, then it gets turned into what people have described as the biggest car park in western Europe. I want to put forward some suggestions of what can be done. The Heads of the Valleys could be signposted for those of us coming from the north and midlands who want to go west to Port Talbot. I've said this since Edwina Hart was the Minister here. The outside lane on the M4 could be used for through traffic only, so the local traffic stays in the inside lane, the through traffic goes in the outside lane, unless there's an accident. Why can't we stagger public sector start times, so everybody isn't on that road between 8 and 9 every morning, which is when the problems are, and between 5 and 6? I checked this morning at 11:30 and there were no traffic problems there. Finally, can we look at closing some M4 junctions, because that is really - ? If you want to know why you've got a problem, you have too many junctions close together on two-lane motorways. That gives you a problem.
Welsh: A gaf i groesawu'r penderfyniad? Mae angen mynd i'r afael â'r problemau traffig o amgylch Casnewydd ar adegau brig, ond mae'r M25 yn enghraifft inni o'r hyn sy'n digwydd gyda ffyrdd newydd: yn gyntaf oll mae'n cael ei adeiladu, yna ei ledu, yna ei droi i'r hyn a ddisgrifiwyd gan bobl fel y maes parcio mwyaf yng Ngorllewin Ewrop. Hoffwn gyflwyno rhai awgrymiadau ynghylch yr hyn y gellir ei wneud. Gellid rhoi arwyddion ar gyfer Blaenau'r Cymoedd i'r rhai ohonom sy'n dod o'r Gogledd a'r Canolbarth ac sy'n dymuno mynd i'r gorllewin i Bort Talbot. Rwyf i wedi dweud hyn ers i Edwina Hart fod yn Weinidog yma. Gellid defnyddio'r lôn allanol ar y M4 ar gyfer traffig trwodd yn unig, felly byddai'r traffig lleol yn aros yn y lôn fewnol, y traffig trwodd yn mynd i'r lôn allanol, oni bai bod yna ddamwain. Pam na allwn ni wahanu amseroedd dechrau'r sector cyhoeddus, fel na fyddai pawb ar y ffordd honno rhwng 8 a 9 bob bore, sef adeg y problemau, a rhwng 5 a 6? Y bore yma, am 11:30, nid oedd problemau traffig yno. Yn olaf, a allwn ni ystyried cau rhai o gyffyrdd yr M4, oherwydd mae hynny mewn gwirionedd - ? Os ydych eisiau gwybod pam mae gennych broblem, mae gennych ormod o gyffyrdd yn agos at ei gilydd ar draffyrdd dwy lôn. Mae hynny'n rhoi problem ichi.
English: I thank the Member for those suggestions. They are of different levels of acceptability, I've no doubt, but what they demonstrate is that there is no shortage of practical ideas that the commission will be able to consider, and I'm grateful to the Member for putting his ideas in front of the Assembly today.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelod am yr awgrymiadau hynny. Nid oes amheuaeth gennyf fod rhai o'i awgrymiadau'n fwy derbyniol nag eraill. Ond yr hyn y maent yn ei ddangos yw nad oes prinder syniadau ymarferol y bydd y comisiwn yn gallu eu hystyried, ac rwy'n ddiolchgar i'r Aelod am roi ei syniadau gerbron y Cynulliad heddiw.
English: I thank the Member for those two questions. The land that is now in the ownership of the Welsh Government forms part of the public assets here in Wales and, when those assets are realised, then, of course, that money will return to the public purse. Llywydd, I did a short calculation myself of all the different new possibilities for public capital expenditure that have been put to me by Members around the Chamber in the time that I have been First Minister. It came to over £2.2 billion. The Member for Newport appears many times on this list. I am not suggesting for a minute that the ideas that he and other Members have put forward are not good ideas, but I think the point he makes is an important one - that there are choices that you face in Government between using the resources you've got for one purpose or another. I've said again that the first call on this money will be for Newport and for dealing with the traffic issues there, but this lengthy list of other possibilities is always on my desk, and the Member for Monmouth's advocacy of improvements around Chepstow, Monmouth, Raglan and others are all firmly on this list, I can assure him.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelod am y ddau gwestiwn hynny. Mae'r tir sydd bellach yn eiddo i Lywodraeth Cymru yn ffurfio rhan o'r asedau cyhoeddus yma yng Nghymru a phan fydd yr asedau hynny'n cael eu gwireddu, yna, wrth gwrs, bydd yr arian hwnnw'n mynd yn ôl i'r pwrs cyhoeddus. Llywydd, gwneuthum gyfrifiad byr fy hun o'r holl bosibiliadau newydd gwahanol ar gyfer gwariant cyfalaf cyhoeddus a roddwyd imi gan Aelodau o amgylch y Siambr yn ystod yr amser y bûm yn Brif Weinidog. Daeth i dros £2.2 biliwn. Mae'r Aelod dros Gasnewydd yn ymddangos lawer gwaith ar y rhestr hon. Nid wyf yn awgrymu am funud nad yw'r syniadau y mae ef ac aelodau eraill wedi eu cyflwyno yn syniadau da, ond credaf fod y pwynt a wna yn un pwysig - fod yna ddewisiadau a wynebir mewn Llywodraeth rhwng defnyddio'r adnoddau sydd gennych at un pwrpas neu'i gilydd. Rwyf wedi dweud eto mai ar gyfer Casnewydd y bydd yr alwad gyntaf ar yr arian hwn ac ar gyfer ymdrin â'r materion traffig yno. Ond mae'r rhestr faith hon o bosibiliadau eraill ar fy nesg bob amser, ac mae eiriolaeth yr Aelod dros Drefynwy o welliannau o gwmpas Cas-gwent, Trefynwy, Rhaglan ac eraill i gyd yn gadarn ar y rhestr hon, gallaf ei sicrhau.
English: Diolch, Llywydd, and I appreciate your patience in allowing us to go a little bit into extra time. Unfortunately, I can't talk as quickly as my good friend Mr Ramsay over there. [ Laughter.] First Minister, I believe that your decision today, history will look back and our future generations will look back and judge that you have made the correct decision, so I applaud you on that. I did have three questions today. One has been pointed to by John Griffiths, my colleague, on the fact that this was a major test of the future generations Act, but I'll leave that there for the time being. Firstly, First Minister, with respect to the feeling of a north-south divide, would you agree with me that we need to use all the borrowing powers we have on a range of projects across the whole of Wales, all corners of Wales, to improve the well-being of all the people we represent in Wales? And, finally, First Minister, do you agree with me that declaring a climate emergency was the right thing to do, and, as a result, it wouldn't have been in our planet's interests to go ahead with this type of project?
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd, ac rwyf yn gwerthfawrogi eich amynedd yn caniatáu amser ychwanegol inni. Yn anffodus, alla i ddim siarad mor gyflym â'm cyfaill da Mr Ramsay draw acw. [ Chwerthin.] Prif Weinidog, credaf o ran eich penderfyniad heddiw, y bydd hanes yn edrych yn ôl ac y bydd cenedlaethau i ddod yn edrych yn ôl ac yn barnu eich bod wedi gwneud y penderfyniad cywir, felly rwy'n eich canmol am hynny. Roedd gennyf dri chwestiwn heddiw. Tynnwyd sylw at un gan John Griffiths, fy nghyd-Aelod, am y ffaith bod hwn yn brawf mawr ar ddeddf cenedlaethau'r dyfodol, ond gadawaf hynny am y tro. Yn gyntaf, Prif Weinidog, o ran y teimlad o raniad rhwng y Gogledd a'r De, a fyddech yn cytuno â mi bod angen inni ddefnyddio'r holl bwerau benthyca sydd gennym ar amrywiaeth o brosiectau ledled Cymru gyfan, ym mhob cwr o Gymru, er mwyn gwella lles yr holl bobl yr ydym yn eu cynrychioli yng Nghymru? Ac, yn olaf, Prif Weinidog, a ydych yn cytuno â mi mai datgan argyfwng hinsawdd oedd y peth cywir i'w wneud, ac o ganlyniad, ni fyddai wedi bod er budd ein planed i fwrw ymlaen â'r math hwn o brosiect?
English: Llywydd, Ken Skates will set out tomorrow the timescales for the convention. I set out in my statement the actions we will take immediately in relation to improving the rate of accidents and incidents on the M4. Let me say, Llywydd, because I probably haven't had a chance to do this so far this afternoon, how much the Welsh Government appreciates the relationship we have with the CBI and other business organisations here in Wales; the closeness with which we have worked with them over Brexit and other important matters; the fact that I will meet with them directly next week to make sure that I have that conversation with them. The Member asked that we should work together to find solutions to the problems of the M4, and that is exactly what we intend to do.
Welsh: Llywydd, bydd Ken Skates yn nodi'r amserlenni ar gyfer y confensiwn yfory. Yn fy natganiad, rwy'n nodi'r camau y byddwn yn eu cymryd ar unwaith mewn cysylltiad â gwella cyfradd y damweiniau a'r digwyddiadau ar yr M4. Gadewch imi ddweud, Llywydd, oherwydd mae'n debyg nad wyf wedi cael cyfle i wneud hyn hyd yn hyn y prynhawn yma, gymaint y mae Llywodraeth Cymru yn gwerthfawrogi'r berthynas sydd gennym â'r CBI a sefydliadau busnes eraill yma yng Nghymru; ein perthynas agos wrth gydweithio dros BREXIT a materion pwysig eraill; a'r ffaith y byddaf yn cyfarfod â nhw'n uniongyrchol yr wythnos nesaf i wneud yn siŵr fy mod yn cael y sgwrs honno gyda nhw. Gofynnodd yr Aelod inni weithio gyda'n gilydd i ddod o hyd i atebion i broblemau'r M4, a dyna'n union yr hyn yr ydym yn bwriadu ei wneud.
English: Llywydd, I thank the Member for recognising the complexity of the decision. I agree with her that there's more work that we can do in relation to data and use of data, and that would allow us to do some of the detailed work that would be necessary to underpin some of the alternative proposals. And I thank Jenny Rathbone, as I have other Members around the Chamber, for being willing to put forward those alternative ideas, so that the work of the commission can begin immediately, by drawing on the range of possibilities that have been identified here, as well as the ones that were rehearsed in front of the public inquiry.
Welsh: Llywydd, hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelod am gydnabod cymhlethdod y penderfyniad. Rwy'n cytuno â hi fod mwy o waith y gallwn ei wneud o ran data a defnyddio data, a byddai hynny'n caniatáu inni wneud rhywfaint o'r gwaith manwl a fyddai'n angenrheidiol i ategu rhai o'r cynigion amgen. Ac rwy'n diolch i Jenny Rathbone, fel y gwnes i Aelodau eraill o gwmpas y Siambr, am fod yn barod i gyflwyno'r syniadau amgen hynny, fel y gall gwaith y comisiwn ddechrau ar unwaith, drwy dynnu ar yr ystod o bosibiliadau sydd wedi'u nodi yma, yn ogystal â'r rhai a drafodwyd o flaen yr ymchwiliad cyhoeddus.
English: Llywydd, can I thank the Member, because he's made a point that hasn't been raised otherwise in the discussion and it's an important one? I agree with him - I think the investment that will be made around Newport will still be, with these alternative mitigating measures, one of the largest investments in solving a problem that has faced any part of Wales, and it is absolutely right that there must be the widest possible economic benefit from that very significant investment that will be made. And the commission will certainly look at the wider impacts of the different investment propositions that it will put to Government. It will do so now within a regional economic development approach that we have developed here in Wales that I think will help answer the question that the Member has raised as to how the money that will be spent at that point around Newport will have that wider economic benefit further up the Gwent area. And it's why, around the table of the commission, we will have voices that will help to make sure that exactly that wider benefit is driven out from the very significant investment that will now be made.
Welsh: Llywydd, a gaf i ddiolch i'r Aelod, oherwydd mae wedi gwneud sylw nad yw wedi ei wneud fel arall yn y drafodaeth ac mae'n un pwysig? Rwy'n cytuno ag ef - credaf y bydd y buddsoddiad a wneir o amgylch Casnewydd yn dal i fod, gyda'r mesurau lliniaru eraill hyn, yn un o'r buddsoddiadau mwyaf i ddatrys problem sydd wedi wynebu unrhyw ran o Gymru, ac mae'n gwbl briodol bod yn rhaid cael y budd economaidd ehangaf posib o'r buddsoddiad sylweddol hwnnw a wneir. A bydd y Comisiwn yn sicr yn edrych ar effeithiau ehangach y gwahanol gynigion buddsoddi y bydd yn eu cyflwyno i'r Llywodraeth. Bydd yn gwneud hynny nawr o fewn dull datblygu economaidd rhanbarthol a ddatblygwyd gennym ni yma yng Nghymru a fydd, fe gredaf, yn helpu i ateb y cwestiwn a holodd yr Aelod ynghylch sut y bydd yr arian a werir ar y pwynt hwnnw o amgylch Casnewydd yn cael y budd economi ehangach yna ymhellach i fyny ardal Gwent. A dyna pam, o amgylch bwrdd y Comisiwn, y bydd gennym ni leisiau a fydd yn helpu i sicrhau y ceir yr union fudd ehangach hwnnw o'r buddsoddiad sylweddol iawn a gaiff ei wneud nawr.
English: The next item is a statement by the Counsel General and Brexit Minister - an update on Brexit. I call on the Minister and Counsel General, Jeremy Miles.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf, felly, yw'r datganiad gan y Cwnsler Cyffredinol a'r Gweinidog Brexit ar y wybodaeth ddiweddaraf am Brexit. Dwi'n galw ar y Gweinidog a'r Cwnsler Cyffredinol, Jeremy Miles.