English: It's very clear to me that the ability to control immigration was something that was on many people's minds when they voted to leave the European Union in June 2016. And even amongst those who voted to remain, there were still many people who had concerns about what they perceive to be unsustainable levels of immigration coming into the UK, and, of course, the people of Wales also held some of those concerns. In fact, the British social attitudes survey suggests that 86 per cent of respondents in Wales thought that immigration should be reduced, and that is a higher level than across the UK as a whole. I think that has to be at the forefront of all of our minds when we consider this issue of immigration. Like you, my party's made it very, very clear that, whilst wanting to make sure that we've got the ability to control our own borders and have our own immigration policy, we've got to do so recognising the enormous contribution that immigration has played here in Wales and the wider UK over the years, enriching our communities and, indeed, bringing many new, different perspectives to life and helping to fuel the growth that we've seen in our economy in recent years as well. So, that's certainly not lost on us. And I was a little bit disappointed that you didn't refer to the fact that the UK Government's actually coming from the same place as the Welsh Government in terms of reflecting on the value of immigration more widely. Now, when the people of Wales voted to leave, one thing that they didn't vote for was to continue with the status quo and, of course, I appreciate that your party's position is one where you want to see us remain in the EU now, but, of course, when the people of Wales have been asked, they don't want that, what they actually want to see is some change. And they also want a fair immigration system, I believe. Now, your Government document, the 'Brexit and Fair Movement of People' document, makes it very clear that your ambition, should the UK leave the EU, is to have a very similar system to the one that existed before. In other words, no change from the previous system in that migrants from the European Economic Area and from Switzerland who are already coming to work in the UK should still be able to access the same work opportunities and same benefit opportunities. Now, I don't think that that's what people in Wales want to see. That's why I think it weighed very heavily in people's minds in that referendum. And I don't think, actually, that that's a fair attitude to immigration, either, because what it does is it favours those immigrants who want to come to the UK from the EEA and Switzerland and, actually, causes problems for those who want to come from outside, in the wider world. So there's no level playing field there and I don't think that that is right. So, do you accept that it's not right to treat people differently depending on where they come from? Can you also tell us whether you welcome the promises that have been made in the White Paper? I heard what you said about the need to protect people's rights, for those who are already here, and of course the White Paper makes it very clear that we want to cause no disruption to those people who have already settled here and set up a home, whether they're from the EU or elsewhere and that, on that basis, they should be allowed to continue to remain here. And, of course, that's one of the other things that the White Paper proposes: that there should be guarantees about that. You made reference to the £30,000 limit, and I would agree with you that there are some concerns that we hold on these benches around that limit and whether that's an appropriate limit for Wales, given the fact that, unfortunately, we are the lowest wage economy in Britain. So, do you welcome the recent announcements by the Home Secretary that they are reviewing that limit, and I expect very much that limit to come down? It may be regional - I think that's one of the other things that has been proposed as well. You made reference to the £20,000 suggestion that the Wales Centre for Public Policy has put forward; I'm not sure whether that is the right level for Wales. It may, indeed, need to be lower than that in some places, but it would be good to see some of the rationale behind that £20,000 figure that they came up with. You made no reference to students in your statement at all, but, obviously, one of the things that the White Paper does say - the UK Government's White Paper - is it gives a clear commitment that there'll be no limits on the number of international students who can come to study here, and I would hope very much that you would welcome that commitment too. You made no reference, either, to the exploitation that many are suffering due to modern-day slavery. And I know that both the Welsh and UK Governments have been determined to stamp out modern-day slavery here in Wales. Unfortunately, we do see evidence of it in our communities. Can you assure us that the Welsh Government is still as committed to stamping out modern-day slavery and its impacts? I want to pay tribute to the chair of the cross-party group, Joyce Watson, for her work on this. It obviously is important that we don't drop our guard on that by simply allowing the completely free movement of people. And one final - [ Interruption.] One final -
Welsh: Mae'n amlwg iawn i mi fod y gallu i reoli mewnfudo yn rhywbeth oedd ar feddyliau llawer o bobl wrth bleidleisio i adael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd ym Mehefin 2016. A hyd yn oed ymhlith y rhai a bleidleisiodd dros aros, roedd llawer o bobl o hyd a oedd yn pryderu am yr hyn a ystyriant yn fewnfudo anghynaladwy i'r DU, ac, wrth gwrs, roedd rhai o'r pryderon hynny i'w gweld ymysg pobl Cymru hefyd. Yn wir, mae arolwg agweddau cymdeithasol Prydain yn awgrymu bod 86 y cant o'r ymatebwyr yng Nghymru yn credu y dylid lleihau mewnfudo, ac mae hynny'n fwy nag ar draws y DU yn gyffredinol. Credaf fod yn rhaid i hynny fod yn flaenllaw ym mhob un o'n meddyliau wrth inni ystyried y mater hwn o fewnfudo. Fel chithau, mae fy mhlaid wedi'i gwneud hi'n glir iawn, er ei bod yn awyddus i sicrhau bod gennym ni'r gallu i reoli ein ffiniau ein hunain a bod gennym ni ein polisi mewnfudo ein hunain, fod yn rhaid inni wneud hynny gan gydnabod cyfraniad aruthrol mewnfudo yma yng Nghymru a'r DU yn ehangach dros y blynyddoedd, sydd wedi cyfoethogi ein cymunedau ac, yn wir, dod â sawl persbectif newydd, gwahanol i fywyd a helpu i gynyddu'r twf yr ydym ni wedi'i weld yn ein heconomi yn ystod y blynyddoedd diwethaf hefyd. Felly, yn sicr, rydym ni'n gwerthfawrogi hynny. Ac roeddwn ychydig yn siomedig na wnaethoch chi gyfeirio at y ffaith bod Llywodraeth y DU mewn gwirionedd yn gwneud yr un peth â Llywodraeth Cymru o ran myfyrio ar werth mewnfudo'n ehangach. Nawr, pan bleidleisiodd pobl Cymru i adael, un peth na wnaethon nhw bleidleisio drosto oedd parhau â'r un hen drefn ac, wrth gwrs, sylweddolaf fod safbwynt eich plaid yn un lle'r ydych chi eisiau ein gweld yn parhau yn yr UE nawr, ond, wrth gwrs, pan ofynnwyd i bobl Cymru, dydyn nhw ddim eisiau hynny, yr hyn y maen nhw eisiau ei weld mewn gwirionedd yw rhywfaint o newid. Ac maen nhw hefyd eisiau cael system fewnfudo deg, rwy'n credu. Nawr, mae eich dogfen Llywodraeth, y ddogfen 'Brexit a Thegwch o ran Symudiad Pobl', yn ei gwneud hi'n glir iawn mai eich uchelgais, pe bai'r DU yn gadael yr UE, yw bod â system debyg i'r un a fodolai o'r blaen. Mewn geiriau eraill, dim newid o'r system flaenorol fel bod yr ymfudwyr hynny o'r Ardal Economaidd Ewropeaidd ac o'r Swistir sydd eisoes yn dod i weithio yn y DU yn gallu cael yr un cyfleoedd gwaith a'r un cyfleoedd o ran budd-daliadau o hyd. Nawr, nid wyf yn credu mai dyna y mae pobl yng Nghymru eisiau ei weld. Dyna pam fy mod i'n credu i hynny ddylanwadu'n fawr ar feddyliau pobl yn y refferendwm hwnnw. Ac nid wyf yn credu, mewn gwirionedd, fod hynny'n agwedd deg at fewnfudo, ychwaith, oherwydd yr hyn y mae'n ei wneud yw ei fod yn ffafrio'r mewnfudwyr hynny sydd eisiau dod i'r DU o'r Ardal Economaidd Ewropeaidd a'r Swistir ac sydd, mewn gwirionedd, yn achosi problemau i'r rhai sydd eisiau dod o'r tu allan, o'r byd ehangach. Felly nid yw hynny'n deg ac nid wyf yn credu bod hynny'n briodol. Felly, a ydych chi'n derbyn nad yw'n hi'n iawn trin pobl yn wahanol yn dibynnu ar o ble maen nhw'n dod? A allwch chi ddweud wrthym ni hefyd a ydych chi'n croesawu'r addewidion a wnaed yn y Papur Gwyn? Clywais yr hyn y gwnaethoch chi ei ddweud am yr angen i amddiffyn hawliau pobl, o ran y rhai sydd yma eisoes, ac wrth gwrs mae'r Papur Gwyn yn ei gwneud hi'n glir iawn nad ydym ni eisiau amharu ar y bobl hynny sydd eisoes wedi ymgartrefu a sefydlu cartref, pa un ai ydyn nhw'n dod o'r UE neu o fannau eraill, ac ar y sail honno, dylid caniatáu iddyn nhw barhau i aros yma. Ac, wrth gwrs, dyna un o'r pethau eraill y mae'r Papur Gwyn yn ei gynnig: y dylid cael gwarantau ynglŷn â hynny. Fe wnaethoch chi gyfeirio at y terfyn o £30,000, ac rwy'n cytuno â chi bod rhai pryderon ar y meinciau hyn ynghylch y terfyn hwnnw ac a yw hynny'n derfyn priodol i Gymru, o gofio'r ffaith mai ni, yn anffodus, yw'r economi sydd â'r cyflogau isaf ym Mhrydain. Felly, a ydych chi'n croesawu'r cyhoeddiadau diweddar gan yr Ysgrifennydd Cartref eu bod yn adolygu'r terfyn hwnnw, a disgwyliaf yn fawr iawn i'r terfyn hwnnw ostwng? Efallai y bydd yn rhanbarthol - credaf fod hynny'n un o'r pethau eraill sydd wedi cael ei gynnig hefyd. Fe wnaethoch chi gyfeirio at yr awgrym o £20,000 y mae Canolfan Polisi Cyhoeddus Cymru wedi'i gyflwyno; nid wyf yn siŵr ai dyna'r lefel gywir i Gymru. Yn wir, efallai fod angen iddo fod yn is na hynny mewn rhai mannau, ond byddai'n dda deall rhywfaint o'r rhesymeg dros gyflwyno'r ffigur hwnnw o £20,000. Ni wnaethoch chi gyfeirio at fyfyrwyr yn eich datganiad o gwbl, ond, yn amlwg, un o'r pethau y mae'r Papur Gwyn yn ei ddweud - Papur Gwyn Llywodraeth y DU - yw ei fod yn rhoi ymrwymiad clir na fydd dim cyfyngiadau ar nifer y myfyrwyr rhyngwladol a all ddod i astudio yma, a byddwn yn gobeithio'n fawr y byddech yn croesawu'r ymrwymiad hwnnw hefyd. Ni wnaethoch chi gyfeirio, ychwaith, at y cam-fanteisio y mae llawer yn ei ddioddef oherwydd caethwasiaeth fodern. Ac rwy'n gwybod y bu Llywodraethau Cymru a'r DU yn benderfynol o gael gwared ar gaethwasiaeth fodern yma yng Nghymru. Yn anffodus, rydym ni'n gweld tystiolaeth ohono yn ein cymunedau. A allwch chi ein sicrhau bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn parhau i fod yr un mor ymrwymedig i ddileu caethwasiaeth fodern a'i heffeithiau? Hoffwn dalu teyrnged i gadeirydd y grŵp trawsbleidiol, Joyce Watson, am ei gwaith ar hyn. Mae'n amlwg yn bwysig inni beidio â diystyru hynny drwy ganiatáu i bobl symud yn gwbl rydd. Ac un cwestiwn terfynol - [ Torri ar draws.] Un cwestiwn terfynol -