English: Of course, the power to raise tax and to levy taxes is one of the great powers of a state, along with law-making and the role of a legislator in doing so, and it really is a coming of age, if you like, of this Parliament that we have powers now to levy taxes as well as to legislate. It's about shaping the country that we want to see, about shaping the sort of society and community we want to see in this country in the future, and it's also about the maturity of this place, not only as a place for discussion and debate but also our wider political discourse as a country. I was very taken by the remarks that we've just heard from Nick Ramsay because, in many ways, the election that we will fight next year is the first mature election and the first mature political debate that Wales will have as a country, because we will not simply be debating expenditure as we have done for the last 20 years - we've had enormous debates over how the money will be spent, but we've never been able to debate how the money will be raised, and that's a fundamentally different debate. It's a fundamentally different politics and it's a great maturing of our politics and it's something that I very much welcome. I hope that we will be able to have the conversations that Nick Ramsay has just started about the nature of the tax base in Wales, but I think we need to go further than that. I think we need to have a debate about the nature of taxation in Wales, and this report, I think, is a landmark report, quite honestly, and I'm very grateful to Llyr, as Chair, for leading it, and to the secretariat for the support that they were able to provide to the committee over the last period that we did this work. And I say it's a landmark report because it demonstrates very clearly that the barriers that some people may have argued exist to a Welsh taxation policy are simply not there. They aren't there. Where the barrier exists, possibly, is not that determined by the Treaty of Montgomeryshire many a century ago in the border, but in our own minds, and in our own creativity and our own imagination. And I believe that as politicians and leaders in different parts of the country, we need to have a very different debate, and this report I think sets the basis for that. I don't think it's good enough for anybody on any side of the Chamber, wherever they sit in the Chamber, to simply say, 'We're going to build back better as a consequence, post COVID', without saying where the money comes from, and this report demonstrates that we can have that debate. It isn't good enough simply to say that we need to be able to spend more on the national health service, as every party does, without saying where the money comes from. And we've got a debate later on this afternoon on second homes - a fundamentally important debate about the nature of communities across Wales. What is the role of taxation in tackling that issue? What is the role of taxation in shaping that debate? What is the role of taxation in shaping our response to climate change? I believe that we need to go much, much further in defining taxation as a part of the policy arms of Government, as the armoury of Government is, to enable us to shape different parts of our lives, and climate change is an obvious example of that. But I also think we need to learn more lessons - [ Inaudible.]
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, mae'r pŵer i godi trethi yn un o bwerau mawr gwladwriaeth, ynghyd â deddfu a rôl deddfwr wrth wneud hynny, ac mae'r ffaith bod gennym bwerau yn awr i godi trethi yn ogystal â deddfu yn golygu ein bod yn dod yn Senedd aeddfed. Mae'n ymwneud â siapio'r wlad rydym am ei gweld, siapio'r math o gymdeithas a chymuned rydym am eu gweld yn y wlad hon yn y dyfodol, ac mae hefyd yn ymwneud ag aeddfedrwydd y lle hwn, nid yn unig fel lle ar gyfer trafod a dadlau ond hefyd ein disgwrs wleidyddol ehangach fel gwlad. Gwnaeth y sylwadau rydym newydd eu clywed gan Nick Ramsay argraff fawr arnaf oherwydd, mewn sawl ffordd, yr etholiad y byddwn yn ei ymladd y flwyddyn nesaf yw'r etholiad aeddfed cyntaf a'r ddadl wleidyddol aeddfed gyntaf a gaiff Cymru fel gwlad, oherwydd byddwn yn trafod mwy na gwariant fel y gwnaethom dros yr 20 mlynedd diwethaf - rydym wedi cael dadleuon enfawr ynglŷn â sut y caiff yr arian ei wario, ond nid ydym erioed wedi gallu dadlau sut y caiff yr arian ei godi, ac mae honno'n ddadl sylfaenol wahanol. Mae'n wleidyddiaeth sylfaenol wahanol ac mae'n dangos bod ein gwleidyddiaeth yn aeddfedu'n helaeth ac mae'n rhywbeth rwy'n ei groesawu'n fawr. Gobeithio y byddwn yn gallu cael y sgyrsiau y mae Nick Ramsay newydd eu dechrau am natur y sylfaen drethi yng Nghymru, ond credaf fod angen inni fynd ymhellach na hynny. Credaf fod angen inni gael dadl am natur trethiant yng Nghymru, ac rwy'n credu bod yr adroddiad hwn yn un pwysig, a bod yn onest, ac rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i Llyr, fel Cadeirydd, am ei arwain, ac i'r ysgrifenyddiaeth am y gefnogaeth y gallent ei rhoi i'r pwyllgor dros y cyfnod diwethaf y buom yn gwneud y gwaith hwn. Ac rwy'n dweud ei fod yn adroddiad pwysig am ei fod yn dangos yn glir iawn nad yw'r rhwystrau y gallai rhai pobl fod wedi dadlau eu bod yn her i bolisi trethiant Cymru yn bodoli mewn gwirionedd. Nid ydynt yno. Nid rhwystr a bennwyd gan Gytundeb Sir Drefaldwyn sawl canrif yn ôl ar y ffin sy'n bodoli mewn gwirionedd, ond rhwystr yn ein meddyliau ein hunain, ac yn ein creadigrwydd ein hunain a'n dychymyg ein hunain. A chredaf, fel gwleidyddion ac arweinwyr mewn gwahanol rannau o'r wlad, fod angen inni gael dadl wahanol iawn, ac rwy'n credu bod yr adroddiad hwn yn gosod sylfaen ar gyfer hynny. Nid wyf yn credu ei bod yn ddigon da i neb ar unrhyw ochr i'r Siambr, ble bynnag y maent yn eistedd yn y Siambr, ddweud, 'Rydym yn mynd i adeiladu'n ôl yn well ar ôl COVID', heb ddweud o ble y daw'r arian, ac mae'r adroddiad hwn yn dangos y gallwn gael y ddadl honno. Nid yw'n ddigon da dweud yn syml fod angen inni allu gwario mwy ar y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol, fel y mae pob plaid yn ei wneud, heb ddweud o ble y daw'r arian. A byddwn yn cael dadl yn ddiweddarach y prynhawn yma ar ail gartrefi - dadl sylfaenol bwysig am natur cymunedau ledled Cymru. Beth yw rôl trethiant wrth fynd i'r afael â'r mater hwnnw? Beth yw rôl trethiant wrth siapio'r ddadl honno? Beth yw rôl trethiant wrth siapio ein hymateb i newid yn yr hinsawdd? Credaf fod angen inni fynd ymhellach o lawer a diffinio trethiant fel rhan o ganghennau polisi'r Llywodraeth, fel arfogaeth y Llywodraeth, i'n galluogi i siapio gwahanol rannau o'n bywydau, ac mae newid yn yr hinsawdd yn enghraifft amlwg o hynny. Ond rwyf hefyd yn meddwl bod angen inni ddysgu rhagor o wersi - [Anghlywadwy.]