English: It's a real shame that it's been delayed for a variety of reasons. That really is a shame for the globe, never mind for Wales. One of the pieces of work that I want to see happening, and this is part of the deep dive process as well, to get advice on this, is how we can structure the targets so that they can be tightened but not loosened. It's easy to structure targets that can be changed, but I want to put a process in place where those targets can be accelerated but not relaxed easily. I mean, obviously, any Senedd could overturn the entire legislation and relax them, but we want a process whereby some methodology, statutory instruments, regulations - I don't know, something; it's what I have people working on - can accelerate those targets or add in new ones as appropriate as the evidence comes forward from COP and other processes, but not give us the discretion to be able to row back on them for any reason. That's really easy for me to say, but it's actually quite hard to do. So, part of what we're trying to work on is, with these experts, is that possible, and if so how can we do it. It's about the initial targets, what the 30x30 thing looks like. Thirty per cent by 2030 - that's great to say, but what does that actually mean? What is the 30 per cent? Thirty per cent of what? And is it 30 per cent of Wales or 30 per cent of every local authority area or 30 per cent of every community? What are we actually talking about? And then what are the 30 per cent of species that we're talking about? Or is it 30 per cent across all species or what? I don't know the answer to any of those questions yet. So, part of what we're doing is, 'What is the answer? Is there an answer? What's the consensus view?', and then how can we have an accelerating process to get more and more species and pieces of land protected, because we don't also want a system where we've got 30 per cent of land beautifully preserved and 70 per cent of land that's paved. That's clearly also not what we want. This is all about the balance, how we use the 30 per cent, perhaps, as exemplars, how do we use that as a showcase for what can be done elsewhere in Wales, how can we get as much of the land mass of Wales included, and as many of the species and so on. So, it's an easy thing to say, but it actually turns out to be really, really complicated to do it in a way that's meaningful and actually holds our feet to the fire in a way that I can't just stand up and say, 'Oh yes, 30 per cent of all the land of Wales is currently protected', because that's not where any of us want to be. So, it's not for want of wanting to do it; it's for want of wanting to get it right that we're carrying on with these processes.
Welsh: Mae'n drueni mawr ei bod wedi'i gohirio am amrywiaeth o resymau. Mae'n drueni mawr i'r byd, heb sôn am Gymru. Un agwedd yr hoffwn ei gweld ar y gwaith, ac mae hyn yn rhan o broses yr archwiliad dwfn hefyd, i gael cyngor ar hyn, yw sut y gallwn strwythuro'r targedau fel y gellir eu tynhau ond nid eu llacio. Mae'n hawdd strwythuro targedau y gellir eu newid, ond hoffwn roi proses ar waith lle y gellir cyflymu'r targedau hynny, ond lle na ellir eu llacio'n hawdd. Rwy'n sylweddoli, yn amlwg, y gallai unrhyw Senedd wrthdroi'r ddeddfwriaeth gyfan a'u llacio, ond hoffem gael proses lle y gall rhyw fath o fethodoleg, offerynnau statudol, rheoliadau - nid wyf yn gwybod, rhywbeth; dyma y mae gennyf bobl yn gweithio arno - gyflymu'r targedau hynny neu ychwanegu rhai newydd fel y bo'n briodol wrth i dystiolaeth ddod i'r amlwg yn sgil COP a phrosesau eraill, ond heb roi'r disgresiwn inni allu eu dadwneud am unrhyw reswm. Mae hynny'n hawdd iawn i mi ei ddweud, ond mae'n eithaf anodd ei wneud. Felly, mae rhan o'r hyn y ceisiwn weithio arno yn ymwneud â chanfod, gyda'r arbenigwyr hyn, a yw hynny'n bosibl, ac os felly, sut y gallwn ei wneud. Mae'n ymwneud â'r targedau cychwynnol, sut beth yw 30x30. Tri deg y cant erbyn 2030 - mae'n wych i'w ddweud, ond beth y mae hynny'n ei olygu mewn gwirionedd? Beth yw'r 30 y cant? Tri deg y cant o beth? Ac ai 30 y cant o Gymru neu 30 y cant o bob ardal awdurdod lleol neu 30 y cant o bob cymuned ydyw? Am beth y soniwn mewn gwirionedd? Ac yna beth yw'r 30 y cant o rywogaethau y soniwn amdanynt? Neu a yw'n 30 y cant ar draws pob rhywogaeth, neu beth? Nid wyf yn gwybod yr ateb i unrhyw un o'r cwestiynau hynny eto. Felly, rhan o'r hyn a wnawn yw, 'Beth yw'r ateb? A oes ateb? Beth yw'r consensws?', ac yna sut y gallwn gael proses gyflymu er mwyn gwarchod mwy a mwy o rywogaethau a darnau o dir, gan nad ydym am gael system ychwaith lle mae gennym 30 y cant o'r tir wedi'i gadw'n hyfryd a 70 y cant o'r tir wedi'i balmantu. Yn amlwg, nid dyna rydym am ei weld ychwaith. Mae hyn oll yn ymwneud â'r cydbwysedd, sut y defnyddiwn y 30 y cant, efallai, fel esiampl, sut y defnyddiwn hynny fel enghraifft o'r hyn y gellir ei wneud mewn mannau eraill yng Nghymru, sut y gallwn gynnwys cymaint â phosibl o dirfas Cymru, a chymaint â phosibl o'r rhywogaethau ac yn y blaen. Felly, mae'n beth hawdd i'w ddweud, ond mewn gwirionedd, mae'n wirioneddol gymhleth i'w wneud mewn ffordd sy'n ystyrlon ac sy'n ein dwyn i gyfrif mewn ffordd lle na allaf godi a dweud, 'O ie, mae 30 y cant o holl dir Cymru wedi'i warchod ar hyn o bryd', gan nad dyna ble mae unrhyw un ohonom yn dymuno bod. Felly, nid yw'n fater o fod eisiau ei wneud; rydym yn parhau â'r prosesau hyn am ein bod eisiau ei wneud yn iawn.