English: I'm sure a simpler regime could have been created, but the reason for it was to ensure that bodies could appeal against standards before they were imposed. But, you can ask the commissioner about the regime. It's the commissioner who has had that experience of working with bodies, so you can ask her about that particular issue. There was also opposition, of course, to the scope and reach of the legislation. You will be aware that there are 107 bodies included and standards have been imposed on them. But, there are others, of course, that haven't seen standards imposed and the most important by a long chalk is health. I think it's unforgivable that there are no standards imposed on health. And then there are the utilities, of course, and telecommunications. There was opposition to the inclusion of those within the scope of the Measure - that was said at the time. But, to be fair, the First Minister of the day, Rhodri Morgan, stood firm and he said to those bodies, 'There will be legislation and you will be included within the scope of the legislation.' So, I'm disappointed that there has been some dragging of feet there. The other side of the coin, of course, is the promotion and facilitation of the Welsh language, which was carried out by the Welsh Language Board previously. We decided - . There was some long discussion and debate, I can assure you, on giving that promotional responsibility to the Government of the day. The argument that persuaded me at the time was that, in every example where there has been an increase in the use of a minority language, or a lesser used language, be that in the Basque Country or in Catalonia, then it's the Government of the day that has driven that process. If the Government of the day aren't committed to that over a lengthy period of time, then nothing tends to happen. So, we were of the view that, in order to secure appropriate funds and to drive the process forward, it was the Government that was the appropriate body to do that. Evidence suggests that that hasn't happened to the extent that I would have hoped. For me to emphasise one other thing, I never said that the legislation was the most important thing in terms of the survival and an increase in the use of the Welsh language. I thought the Welsh language strategy was just as important - promotion was just as important as the Measure. But they are two sides of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other.
Welsh: Rydw i'n siŵr y gellid bod wedi creu trefn ychydig yn symlach, ond y rheswm oedd er mwyn sicrhau bod cyrff yn gallu apelio yn erbyn y safonau cyn iddyn nhw gael eu gosod. Ond, fe allwch chi ofyn i'r comisiynydd ynglŷn â'r drefn. Y comisiynydd sydd wedi cael y profiad yna o weithio efo cyrff, felly, fe allwch chi ofyn iddi hi am hynny. Roedd yna wrthwynebiad hefyd, wrth gwrs, i led a chyrhaeddiad y ddeddfwriaeth. Rydych chi'n gwybod bod yna 107 o gyrff â safonau wedi cael eu gosod arnyn nhw. Wel, mae yna rai eraill, onid oes, sydd heb gael eu gosod eto - y pwysicaf o ddigon ydy'r maes iechyd. Rydw i'n credu ei fod yn anfaddeuol nad oes safonau ar y maes iechyd. Wedyn, mae'r cyfleustodau, wrth gwrs, a thelegyfathrebu. Roedd yna wrthwynebiad i gynnwys y rheini o fewn sgôp y Ddeddf - fe ddywedwyd hynny ar y pryd. Ond, a bod yn deg, mi ddaru Prif Weinidog y dydd, Rhodri Morgan, sefyll yn gadarn ac mi ddywedodd o wrth y cyrff hynny, 'Mi fydd yna ddeddfu ac mi fyddwch chi mewn o fewn sgôp y Ddeddf.' Felly, rydw i'n siomedig bod yna dynnu nôl o hynny. Ochr arall y geiniog, mewn ffordd, ydy hyrwyddo, wrth gwrs - hybu a hyrwyddo'r Gymraeg - a oedd yn cael ei wneud gan Fwrdd yr Iaith Gymraeg cyn hynny. Mi benderfynom ni - . Mi fuodd yna drafodaeth a dadlau hir, gallaf eich sicrhau chi, ynglŷn â rhoi'r gwaith hyrwyddo i Lywodraeth y dydd. Y ddadl a'm mherswadiodd i ar y pryd oedd: ym mhob enghraifft lle mae cynnydd wedi bod yn y defnydd o iaith leiafrifol, neu iaith lai ei defnydd, boed hynny yng Ngwlad y Basg neu yng Nghatalonia, Llywodraeth y dydd sydd wedi gyrru'r broses. Os nad ydy Llywodraeth y dydd wedi 'commit-io' ei hun, a hynny dros gyfnod maith o flynyddoedd, yna nid oes dim byd yn digwydd. Ac felly, roeddem ni o'r farn, er mwyn sicrhau cyllideb addas a gyrru'r broses yn ei blaen, mai'r Llywodraeth oedd y corff priodol i wneud hynny. Mae tystiolaeth yn awgrymu nad ydy hynny ddim wedi digwydd i'r graddau y buaswn i wedi gobeithio. Imi gael pwysleisio un peth arall hefyd, ni wnes i erioed ddweud mai'r ddeddfwriaeth oedd y peth pwysicaf o safbwynt parhad a chynyddu defnydd y Gymraeg. Roeddwn i'n meddwl bod strategaeth y Gymraeg yr un mor bwysig, hynny ydy, hyrwyddo a hybu - yr un mor bwysig â'r ddeddfwriaeth. Ond dwy ochr yr un un geiniog ydyn nhw. Nid ydy'r naill yn gallu bodoli heb y llall.