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English: On the issue of qualifications, I would like to raise that it's important that Welsh qualifications travel and that they are acknowledged and recognised across the border, but also internationally. So, we have the credit and qualifications framework for Wales and that's the framework for qualifications in Wales, but we'd like to ensure that we align and that those qualifications actually correspond to the European qualifications framework, so that our learners can travel and so that their qualifications are recognised when they look for work overseas, or as we attract workers to work to in Wales also. So, there's a further piece of work to be done in terms of ensuring that we're teaching our learners the right qualifications.
Welsh: Ar y mater cymwysterau, buaswn i'n licio codi ei fod yn bwysig bod cymwysterau Cymru yn teithio a'u bod nhw'n cael eu hadnabod a'u cydnabod dros y ffin, ond hefyd yn rhyngwladol. Mae gennym ni'r fframwaith credydau a chymwysterau Cymru a dyna yw fframwaith cymwysterau Cymru, ond rydym eisiau sicrhau ein bod ni'n cyd-fynd a bod y cymwysterau yna yn cyfateb â'r EQF - yr European qualifications framework - er mwyn i'n dysgwyr ni allu teithio a bod eu cymwysterau yn cael eu cydnabod wrth iddyn nhw chwilio am waith dramor, neu wrth inni ddenu gweithiwyr i ddod i weithio i Gymru hefyd. So, mae yna ddarn o waith efallai o ran sicrhau ein bod ni'n dysgu'r cymwysterau cywir i'n dysgwyr ni hefyd.
English: Thank you, and welcome to the Culture, Welsh Language and Communications Committee. Item 1 on the agenda: introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest. Does any Member have anything to declare this morning? Apologies: we have received apologies from Siân Gwenllian, but perhaps she will be here for the private session to discuss the forward work programme. Adam Price will attend the meeting for the session on Pinewood in his role as a member of the Public Accounts Committee in accordance with Standing Order 17.49, but we're not expecting any other substitutes.
Welsh: Diolch, a chroeso i'r Pwyllgor Diwylliant, y Gymraeg a Chyfathrebu. Eitem 1 ar yr agenda: cyflwyniad, ymddiheuriadau, dirprwyon a datgan buddiannau. A oes gan unrhyw Aelod rywbeth i'w ddatgan y bore yma? Ymddiheuriadau: cafwyd ymddiheuriadau gan Siân Gwenllian, ond efallai y bydd hi yma yn y sesiwn breifat i drafod y flaenraglen waith. Bydd Adam Price yn mynychu'r cyfarfod am y sesiwn ar Pinewood yn ei rôl fel aelod o'r Pwyllgor Cyfrifon Cyhoeddus o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.49, ond nid ydym yn disgwyl unrhyw ddirprwyon.
English: Moving on to item 2: short inquiry into 'Building an S4C for the future: An independent review' by Euryn Ogwen Williams. This is evidence session 1. Welcome to Euryn Ogwen Williams, chair of the S4C independent review. If it's all right, we'll ask questions on the basis of different themes relating to the report, so we'll go straight into questions. My first question is: just in terms of the proposed new remit, which is mentioned in the report, and what the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport has now agreed on, do you think this will transform the way that S4C can operate? That is, the digital restrictions that they had before.
Welsh: Symud ymlaen at eitem 2: ymchwiliad byr i 'Creu S4C ar gyfer y dyfodol: Adolygiad annibynnol' gan Euryn Ogwen Williams a sesiwn dystiolaeth 1. Croeso i Euryn Ogwen Williams, cadeirydd adolygiad annibynnol o S4C. Os yw'n iawn, byddwn ni'n gofyn cwestiynau ar sail themâu gwahanol yn ymwneud â'r adroddiad, ac felly byddwn yn mynd yn syth mewn i gwestiynau. Fy nghwestiwn cyntaf i yw: jest o ran y cylch gwaith newydd sydd yn cael ei grybwyll yn yr adroddiad, a'r hyn mae'r Adran dros Ddigidol, Diwylliant, y Cyfryngau a Chwaraeon wedi cytuno iddo nawr, a ydych yn credu y bydd hwnnw'n trawsnewid y ffordd y mae S4C yn gallu gweithredu? Hynny yw, y cyfyngiadau digidol oedd arnyn nhw o'r blaen.
English: I very much hope so, and I think that S4C's response to it demonstrates that it has released them from some shackles, because the old system that had been in place for so many years was not appropriate for the digital age. So, I am confident that this gives S4C a new opportunity to deal with an entirely new landscape - mainly the digital landscape.
Welsh: Rwy'n gobeithio ei fod o, ac rwy'n credu bod ymateb S4C iddo fo yn dangos ei fod o wedi eu rhyddhau nhw gryn dipyn. Achos mi oedd yr hen drefn, sydd wedi bod yna am gymaint o flynyddoedd, dipyn yn anaddas ar gyfer yr oes ddigidol. Felly, rwy'n hyderus bod hwn yn rhoi cyfle newydd i ddelio â sefyllfa hollol newydd - sefyllfa ddigidol.
English: But just to ask on the back of that: when S4C produced a report, they asked for additional funding specifically for digital, and, clearly, this report didn't deal with any additional funding. Will they be able to do these additional digital things if their budget does not expand with the required aspects?
Welsh: Ond jest i ofyn yn ôl at hynny: pan wnaeth S4C adroddiad, fe wnaethon nhw ofyn am arian ychwanegol yn benodol ar gyfer digidol, ond, yn amlwg, nid oedd yr adroddiad yma'n ymdrin ag unrhyw arian ychwanegol. A fyddan nhw'n gallu gwneud y pethau ychwanegol digidol yma os na fydd eu cyllideb nhw'n ehangu i gyd-fynd â'u gofynion nhw?
English: Well, of course, the size of the budget wasn't part of the remit and it wasn't something, therefore, that I could consider. But it was very interesting that, last week at Westminster, the Welsh Affairs Select Committee were considering the report, and the third witness there was the Minister, Margot James. She spoke quite specifically about a fund that had been established by DCMS for projects related to minority languages, children and those things that aren't currently sufficiently funded, and she certainly suggested that S4C and the department were already having some negotiations, and that's a large fund of some £60 million. So, that's what I'd anticipated was that, once projects were brought forward, S4C would be in a strong position to claim from that fund. There are plenty of funds available now, which they can bid for.
Welsh: Wel, wrth gwrs, nid oedd maint yr arian yn rhan o'r cylch gorchwyl, felly nid oedd yn rhywbeth yr oeddwn i'n gallu'i ystyried. Ond yn ddiddorol iawn, yr wythnos diwethaf yn San Steffan, roedd y Pwyllgor Dethol ar Faterion Cymreig yn ystyried yr adroddiad, a'r trydydd tyst yno oedd y Gweinidog, Margot James. Mi soniodd hi'n weddol benodol am gronfa sydd yn bod, sydd wedi'i sefydlu gan DCMS, ar gyfer projectau sydd yn ymwneud â iaith leiafrifol, plant a'r pethau sydd ddim yn cael eu hariannu'n ddigon da, ac awgrymodd, yn sicr, fod S4C a nhw'n cael trafodaeth yn barod - ac mae honno'n gronfa fawr, mae'n gronfa o £60 miliwn. Felly, dyna beth roeddwn i'n ei ragweld - unwaith mae projectau'n dod, mae S4C mewn sefyllfa gref i hawlio'i rhan o'r arian yna. Mae yna ddigon o gronfeydd ar gael, erbyn hyn, lle maen nhw'n gallu mynd iddyn nhw.
English: We'll have more questions on that further on, if that's okay, but another question I had on digital was: there is a proposal to create an in-house digital hub - S4C has lived and worked with the independent sector - is that going to be something that's some sort of threat to the independent sector, because this digital hub is going to be an in-house one within S4C?
Welsh: Fe gawn ni fwy o gwestiynau ar hynny i lawr y lein, os yw hynny'n iawn, ond y cwestiwn arall ar ddigidol gen i yw: mae yna gynnig o greu hwb digidol mewnol - mae S4C wedi byw a gweithio gyda'r sector annibynnol - ydy hynny'n mynd i fod yn rhyw fath o fygythiad i'r sector annibynnol, gan fod yr hwb digidol yma'n mynd i fod yn un mewnol o fewn S4C?
English: It shouldn't be, because this was something that I had to give a great deal of consideration to, because I was there at the outset when we established S4C, in the face of great opposition from the established broadcasters, as a broadcaster that didn't produce their own content. But I think digital is different and I think Wales is different and the Welsh language is different. And in this case, I think you need that hub, that strong cluster that can deal with digital matters through the medium of Welsh, and S4C is the right place to lead on that.
Welsh: Ni ddylai e fod, achos roedd hwn yn rhywbeth roedd yn rhaid i fi, yn arbennig, ei ystyried lot, achos roeddwn i yna ar y cychwyn pan oeddem ni'n sefydlu S4C, yn erbyn gwrthwynebiad mawr gan yr hen ddarlledwyr, fel darlledwr nad oedd yn cynhyrchu pethau eu hunain. Ond rwy'n credu bod digidol yn wahanol a bod Cymru'n wahanol a bod y Gymraeg yn wahanol. Ac yn yr achos yma, mae eisiau'r hwb, mae eisiau clwstwr cryf sydd yn delio efo pethau digidol yn y Gymraeg, ac S4C ydy'r lle iawn i arwain ar hynny.
English: Not at all, no. There is a huge amount of work to do. I don't foresee - . Some won't recall that, at the outset, there were elements in the provision of resources, particularly, that S4C faced back in 1981, where there weren't sufficient resources available. S4C, at that point, invested in central resources in order to ensure that things could happen, and once those things started to happen, it was allowed to go out. It's quite possible that, with this in-house hub, that's the kind of model that they will follow, but that is something for the future. At least we know now that it'll be established and that S4C is driving it forward.
Welsh: Na, dim o gwbl. Mae yna waith aruthrol i'w wneud. Nid wyf yn rhagweld - . Ni fyddai rhai'n cofio, ar y cychwyn, roedd yna elfennau yn ddarpariaeth adnoddau, yn arbennig, ddaru S4C ei wynebu yn 1981, lle nad oedd yna ddigon o adnoddau. Fe fuddsoddodd S4C, yr adeg honno, mewn adnoddau canolog er mwyn sicrhau bod pethau'n digwydd, ac unwaith roedd pethau'n digwydd, gadawyd iddynt fynd allan. Mae'n ddigon posib, efo'r hwb yma, mai dyna fydd yn digwydd, ond rhywbeth i'r dyfodol ydy hynny. O leiaf rydym yn gwybod ei fod o'n mynd i gychwyn a bod S4C yn rhoi egni y tu ôl iddo fo.
English: Just on the proposed Welsh language partnership, in the past we've heard people who are with S4C saying that S4C is a Welsh-language channel, but that it's not there to be part of some sort of educational arm of the Government. Certainly, according to this report, that needs to change, perhaps, as a result of the target of 1 million Welsh speakers. What is the work that is ongoing now to work with the sector in that regard?
Welsh: Jest ynglŷn â gwaith y bartneriaeth yr iaith Gymraeg, yn y gorffennol rydym ni wedi clywed pobl sydd yn ymwneud ag S4C yn dweud, 'Wel, mae S4C yn sianel Gymraeg, ond nid yw hi yna i fod yn rhan o ryw fath o waith addysgiadol ar gyfer y Llywodraeth.' Yn sicr, yn ôl yr adroddiad yma, mae hynny angen ei newid, efallai, yn sgil y targed o 1 filiwn o siaradwyr. Beth yw'r gwaith sydd wrth law nawr i weithio gyda'r sector yn hynny o beth?
English: I was one of the people who would have said, years ago, that it's the job of S4C to be a television channel. I don't think that's possible any longer, because the Welsh language and S4C are so closely interrelated, and there is a great deal of synergy between the success of one and the other. So, what we need to realise is that S4C is part of the mission to promote the Welsh language - a very important part, a part that would take the language to places that it wouldn't usually go. So, that's the challenge for S4C and for other Welsh-language partners - it's to come together and to create partnerships, not just to get together and say, 'Well, you're doing a good job, and we're doing a good job', but creating robust legal partnerships that will be in place over a period of, let's say, 10 years - that there are particular goals in place, with funding allocated for them and such things.
Welsh: Roeddwn i'n un o'r bobl a fyddai wedi dweud, flynyddoedd yn ôl, mai job S4C ydy i fod yn sianel deledu. Nid wyf i'n credu bod hynny'n bosib bellach, achos mae'r iaith ac S4C mor ynghlwm efo'i gilydd - mae llwyddiant y ddau'n ynghlwm wrth ei gilydd. Felly, beth sydd angen ydy sylweddoli mai rhan o'r genhadaeth ydy S4C i hyrwyddo'r iaith Gymraeg - rhan bwysig ofnadwy, y rhan sydd yn mynd â'r iaith i lefydd na fyddai hi'n mynd fel arfer. Felly, dyna ydy'r her i S4C a'r pethau eraill sydd ynghlwm â'r iaith - dod at ei gilydd a phartneru, ac nid jest partneru megis, 'Rydych chi'n gwneud job dda ac rydym ni'n gwneud job dda', ond partneriaeth gyfreithiol, gadarn a chryf a fydd yn dal dros gyfnod, efallai, o 10 mlynedd - ei fod o'n gytundeb i nodau arbennig, cyllid wedi'i glustnodi ar ei chyfer a phethau felly.
English: So, do you think that S4C should have targets from the Welsh Government in terms of how they expand or promote the Welsh language? How would this look in everyday work?
Welsh: Felly, a ydych chi'n credu y dylai S4C gael targedau gan Lywodraeth Cymru ynglŷn â sut maen nhw'n ehangu a hybu'r Gymraeg? Sut fydd hyn yn edrych mewn gweithrediad bob dydd?
English: I think it should work not directly through the Welsh Government, but the Welsh Government does have its agencies that are provided with targets. It's S4C's role to create these robust partnerships with those organisations and to share that mission and to work towards the same mission, not work for the Welsh Government - that would be something very difficult for a broadcasting organisation, and it would be a negative, fundamentally. Any broadcaster should be independent of politics.
Welsh: Rydw i'n credu nad ydy o'n gweithio yn uniongyrchol trwy Lywodraeth Cymru, ond mae gan Lywodraeth Cymru eu hasiantaethau y maen nhw yn rhoi targedau iddyn nhw. Rôl S4C yw creu'r partneriaethau cadarn yma hefo'r cyrff yna a rhannu'r genhadaeth, nid gweithio i Lywodraeth Cymru - mae hynny'n rhywbeth anodd ofnadwy i gorff darlledu, ac yn beth drwg. Rydw i'n credu yn sylfaenol y dylai unrhyw gorff sy'n darlledu fod yn annibynnol ar wleidyddiaeth.
English: But I would have thought that S4C would have been working with some of these organisations before. So, what's different about this concept that's different to what they've been doing for the last 30 years?
Welsh: Ond byddwn i wedi meddwl bod S4C wedi bod yn gweithio gyda rhai o'r mudiadau yma o'r blaen. Beth sydd yn newydd am y cysyniad yma sydd yn wahanol i beth maen nhw wedi bod yn gwneud am y 30 blynedd diwethaf?
English: Well, yes, there's some truth in that. [ Laughter. ] But what's different, I suppose, is that if this recommendation is driven through, and I'm quite confident that S4C has started on that work, the partnerships shouldn't be loose partnerships where they concentrate on the easy wins, but that they are very, very focused. Perhaps they would share data, they would have joint events, but they should be working not in an ad hoc manner, but they should be working to share targets as agencies. That hasn't been the case in the past. For example, if you take the Urdd Eisteddfod and the National Eisteddfod - of course, both of those are broadcast on S4C, but one is a client of the other. Now, that's not what a partnership is. A partnership means that they should be sharing the same objectives and sharing the same aims.
Welsh: Gwir. [ Chwerthin. ] Yr hyn sy'n wahanol, mae'n debyg, yw bod disgwyliad iddyn nhw yn hyn, os ydy hyn yn cael ei ddilyn, ac rydw i'n eithaf hyderus bod S4C wedi dechrau ar y gwaith yma'n barod - bod y partneriaethau nid yn rhywbeth llac lle maen nhw'n gwneud y pethau neis, ond yn rhywbeth gwirioneddol galed. Efallai rhannu data, rhannu digwyddiadau, ond gwneud pethau nid ar hap a damwain a mympwy, ond bod yna dargedau - eu bod nhw'n rhannu targedau gyda'r gwahanol asiantaethau. Nid ydy hynny wedi bod yn digwydd. Er enghraifft, cymerwch Eisteddfod yr Urdd a'r Eisteddfod Genedlaethol - wrth gwrs, mae'r ddwy Eisteddfod ar S4C, ond mae un yn gleient i'r llall. Nid dyna ydy partneriaeth. Mae partneriaeth yn golygu bod yn rhaid iddyn nhw fynd ar ôl rhannu'r un nod, rhannu'r un bwriad.
English: Just before I bring Suzy in, I wanted to ask an additional question on this concept of money going through the licence fee. You came up with this before Margot James said that the budget was going to be consistent, if the funding goes through the licence fee. So, why did you feel so strongly that the licence fee was going to be sufficient for this process? It could be that they don't provide sufficient funding through the licence fee. There must be some sort of logic beyond - . I understand the structure and why you've said that, but it was a risk, wasn't it, that the funding from the DCMS that's there as a different stream would not go through the licence fee.
Welsh: Jest cyn imi ddod â Suzy i mewn, roeddwn i jest eisiau gofyn un cwestiwn ychwanegol ynglŷn â'r cysyniad yma o'r arian yn mynd drwy'r ffi drwydded. Gwnaethoch chi ddod lan â'r cysyniad yma cyn i Margot James ddweud bod y gyllideb yn mynd i fod yn gyson, os bydd yr arian yn mynd drwy'r ffi drwydded. Felly, pam oeddech chi'n credu mor gryf fod y ffi drwydded yn mynd i fod yn ddigonol ar gyfer y broses yma? Gallai fod nad ydyn nhw'n rhoi arian digonol i mewn i'r ffi drwydded. Mae'n rhaid bod yna rhyw fath o resymeg mwy na - . Rwy'n deall y strwythur a pham yr ydych chi wedi dweud hynny, ond roedd yn risg, onid oedd e, efallai na fyddai'r arian o DCMS sydd yno fel ffrwd wahanol ddim yn mynd drwy'r ffi drwydded.
English: There was an element of risk to it, but it wasn't a huge risk because the amount of money was small in comparison with the funds that were already provided. So, when I raised this, I had already - . Clearly, I was having discussions with the Secretary of State at that time - some three Secretaries of State back by now.
Welsh: Mi oedd yna elfen o risg ynddo fo, ond nid oedd yn risg fawr achos roedd y swm yn fychan mewn cymhariaeth â'r arian a oedd yn dod yn barod. Felly, pan godais i hwn, roeddwn i wedi - . Yn amlwg, roeddwn i'n cael trafodaeth â'r Ysgrifennydd Gwladol ar y pryd - rhyw dri Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn ôl erbyn hyn.
English: There will be a new one.
Welsh: Bydd un newydd nawr.
English: There will be a new one again, now, yes. But, I had discussed with her what her response would be, and it was clear that there would be no major opposition from her on behalf of the Government to move in this direction. It was she who gave me the encouragement to proceed with this concept, because she was constantly emphasising that this wasn't the BBC's licence fee, but that it was a licence fee where the Secretary of State still made the decisions. So, if we established those principles in terms of what sufficient funding for S4C would look like, once those principles were in place, it made it easier for S4C to be funded from one place and to use their commercial funds to develop other projects.
Welsh: Un newydd eto. Ond, roeddwn i wedi trafod gyda hi sut y byddai hi'n ymateb, ac roedd hi'n amlwg na fyddai yna ddim gwrthwynebiad mawr ganddi hi ar ran y Llywodraeth i fynd i'r cyfeiriad yma. A hi a roddodd y calondid imi fynd ymlaen gyda'r syniad, rwy'n credu - ei bod hi'n pwysleisio trwy'r amser nad ffi drwydded y BBC oedd hon, ond ffi drwydded lle mae'r Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn dal i benderfynu. Felly, os oeddwn i'n sefydlu'r egwyddorion i benderfynu beth oedd yr arian digonol i S4C, unwaith yr oedd yr egwyddorion yna, roedd o'n ei gwneud yn haws wedyn bod S4C yn cael ei harian o un lle, ac yn defnyddio'r arian masnachol ar gyfer datblygu projectau eraill.
English: But I would say that there's still a need to do this work, because if you haven't done it, there is still a need for us to have that discussion on what is sufficient.
Welsh: Ond byddwn i'n dweud bod yn dal angen gwneud y gwaith hynny, achos os nad ydych chi wedi ei wneud e, mae'n dal angen inni gael y drafodaeth ynglŷn â beth sydd yn ddigonol.
English: Yes, exactly. I wasn't in a position to lay down what that figure should be, because it wasn't in the remit, but that discussion is very important for you, I would say, as a committee. It appears that the Minister has said that, despite the CSR, what is currently there will remain in place until 2022. But I would have thought that it's something that needs to be watched all the way through. And S4C, I think, is quite clear about their responsibility in that area too.
Welsh: Yn hollol, yn hollol. Nid oeddwn i mewn sefyllfa i'w roi i lawr, oherwydd nad oedd o yn y cylch gorchwyl, ond yn sicr mae'r drafodaeth yna'n hynod o bwysig i chi fel pwyllgor, byddwn i'n tybio. Mae'n ymddangos bod y Gweinidog wedi dweud mai ar waetha'r CSR y bydd beth sydd yno'n bresennol yn parhau tan 2022. Ond byddwn i'n ystyried ei fod o'n rhywbeth y mae'n rhaid bod yn ofalus ohono fo reit drwodd. Mae S4C, rwy'n credu, yn glir am y cyfrifoldeb sydd ganddyn nhw hefyd.
English: Oh, yes.
Welsh: O, ie.
English: I have a question to bring this session to an end. Clearly, you were undertaking this work as part of the Westminster Government, but you are here as yourself as well. I wanted to ask a question. What are your views on the devolution of broadcasting? Clearly, this wasn't part of the remit, but do you have a view on this? Do you think that this power should sit in Westminster?
Welsh: Mae gen i gwestiwn clou i ddod â'r sesiwn yma i ben. Yn amlwg, roeddech chi'n gwneud y gwaith yma fel rhan o Lywodraeth San Steffan, ond rydych chi yma yn eich enw eich hun hefyd. Roeddwn i eisiau gofyn y cwestiwn, efallai, i ofyn beth yw'ch barn chi ynglŷn â datganoli darlledu, yn bersonol. Yn amlwg, nid oedd hwn yn rhan o'r remit, ond a oes gennych chi farn? A ydych chi'n credu mai yn San Steffan y dylai'r pŵer yma eistedd?
English: Oh, this is -
Welsh: O, mae hwn -
English: I had to take that opportunity. [ Laughter.]
Welsh: Roedd rhaid i fi gymryd y cyfle. [ Chwerthin.]
English: Yes, and I understand entirely why you did so. But there's a matter for the head and the heart here. I do believe that if broadcasting is devolved, there is so much hard work that would need to be done. The statements I hear - although my heart says, 'Of course, yes, a nation needs to control its own broadcasting', they are vacant statements in a way, because the proximity of politicians and broadcasting is a huge problem, and one wouldn't want to see S4C in a different position, because the people of Wales will be watching broadcasters from all parts of the world. They will watch as much Netflix as they watch S4C. So, you don't want to create a situation where S4C is disadvantaged because it is kept on a tight rein. On the other hand, the contribution that S4C could make to Wales is huge, because it's made a huge contribution to broadcasting throughout the UK, and is it is part of that ecosystem. And, so, if it can do that for the UK, then it can do the same in Wales too. But any devolution has to take into account that it loses that UK-wide influence.
Welsh: Yn hollol, ac rwy'n deall yn llwyr. Mae yna ben a chalon yn hwn. Rwyf yn credu, os ydy darlledu yn cael ei ddatganoli, bod yna gymaint o waith caled sydd angen ei wneud. Mae'r datganiadau rwy'n eu clywed - er bod fy nghalon i'n dweud, 'O, ie, mae cenedl angen ei darlledu ei hun', maen nhw mor wag mewn ffordd, achos mae agosatrwydd gwleidyddion a darlledu yn broblem enfawr, ac ni fyddai rhywun eisiau gweld S4C mewn sefyllfa wahanol, achos darlledwyr o bob rhan o'r byd y mae pobl Cymru yn mynd i fod yn eu gwylio. Maen nhw'n mynd i wylio gymaint o Netflix ag y maen nhw o S4C. Felly, nid yw rhywun eisiau creu sefyllfa lle mae S4C dan anfantais oherwydd ei fod e'n cael ei gadw yn dynn. Ar y llaw arall, mae'r cyfraniad y gall S4C ei wneud i Gymru yn enfawr, oherwydd mae e wedi gwneud cyfraniad mawr i ddarlledu yn y Deyrnas Unedig, ac mae e'n rhan o'r ecosystem yna. Ac felly, os ydy e'n gallu gwneud hynny i'r Deyrnas Unedig, gall wneud hynny yng Nghymru hefyd. Ond mae'n rhaid i unrhyw gytundeb datganoli gymryd i ystyriaeth bod hynny'n colli'r dylanwad Prydeinig yna yn y Deyrnas Unedig.
English: Why? Because there are European countries who are still influential, as has been mentioned. Why would they have to lose that influence?
Welsh: Pam? Achos mae yna wledydd Ewropeaidd sy'n ddylanwadol iawn, fel sydd wedi cael ei grybwyll. Pam fyddan nhw'n gorfod colli'r dylanwad hwnnw?