English: Can I commend everybody who's taken part in this individual Member's debate on criminal justice? Some very powerful contributions, and, obviously, a wide variety of issues covered, so it's a bit difficult to - in the time I've got left - try and summarise everything. But can I commend Jenny Rathbone in opening very powerfully, setting the scene very well, and also David Melding similarly so? Bethan Sayed emphasised the 2,300 surplus places that we would have of building the superprison in Baglan and also her own experience of the requirements for restorative justice as a way, also, of making criminals face up to the effects they've had on people. Can I also commend David Rees for his contribution, as well as David Rowlands in a different way, but also coming together, I think, in the end in terms of that we do need to tackle reoffending? Julie Morgan - a very powerful contribution as regards women's centres; that was a very valid point also. Jenny covered that point and John Griffiths as well. Can I also commend the Cabinet Secretary, not just in supporting the motion, but also in emphasising the need for holistic policies? And can I wish him well on his development of a Welsh penal policy? We look forward to that coming to fruition. Back in the day, over 35 years ago now, I was a psychiatric doctor in Bridgend - a psychiatric senior house officer for six months - and Bridgend at the time had three psychiatric hospitals: Glanrhyd, that's where I was based, Penyfai and Parc hospital. They're all shut now, for very good reasons, and the Parc hospital site is the site of the Parc private prison now, but it's still housing many with huge mental health issues, much like the old Parc hospital on the same site. Sometimes we think, 'We haven't moved on much, actually', because tackling reoffending is the big challenge to properly rehabilitate offenders to prevent that revolving door of reoffending, as Jenny and others have said. Yes, as David Melding said, evil people require incarceration, but for many in prison, dealing with the underlying causes and enabling rehabilitation and rebuilding of life and relationships is pivotal. Tackling mental health issues is one of the most important - mentioned by several people, and, really, we have to get to grips with that - from my old psychiatric service back in the day. Similarly, housing, physical health, social services, education training and employment, drugs and alcohol services - all of these are devolved public services. They need co-ordination and we need offenders having ready access to them. But we suffer from a lack of co-ordination at the moment because, as we've heard, prisons, policing, courts and probation remain non-devolved. So, there's a fundamental disconnect, and thereby there's the huge challenge to tackle the revolving door of reoffending, and we need policing and criminal justice devolved to this National Assembly for Wales - as in now - for all of those reasons, and also we can avoid those out-of-the-blue announcements of a superprison in Baglan. Here in the Assembly, we've only been able to react since the announcement. This huge warehousing of prisoners is not wanted, and will pile huge pressures on our already overstretched devolved public services: mental health, housing, drugs and alcohol and all the rest. Health boards with a prison in them are already poorly compensated now for the additional pressures on local housing, health and education services. That's why the prospect of a superprison on a floodplain, on Welsh Government land designated for business and employment, is viewed with such alarm. So, I look forward to the Cabinet Secretary bringing forward and marching on with that proud vision for an independent Welsh penal system. That's what's required for all of the people of this land. More power to the Cabinet Secretary. Diolch yn fawr.
Welsh: A gaf fi gymeradwyo pawb sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl Aelodau hon ar gyfiawnder troseddol? Cafwyd rhai cyfraniadau grymus iawn, ac yn amlwg, ymdriniwyd ag amrywiaeth eang o faterion, felly mae hi braidd yn anodd ceisio crynhoi popeth yn yr amser sydd gennyf ar ôl. Ond a gaf fi gymeradwyo Jenny Rathbone am agor yn rymus iawn, a gosod y cefndir yn dda iawn, a hefyd David Melding yn yr un modd? Pwysleisiodd Bethan Sayed y 2,300 o lefydd dros ben a fyddai gennym yn sgil adeiladu'r carchar mawr ym Maglan a hefyd ei phrofiad ei hun o'r gofynion ar gyfer cyfiawnder adferol fel ffordd, hefyd, o wneud i droseddwyr wynebu'r effeithiau a gânt ar bobl. A gaf fi hefyd ganmol David Rees am ei gyfraniad, yn ogystal â David Rowlands mewn ffordd wahanol, ond gan gytuno, rwy'n credu, yn y diwedd ynghylch y ffaith bod angen inni fynd i'r afael ag aildroseddu? Julie Morgan - cyfraniad pwerus iawn ar ganolfannau menywod; roedd hwnnw'n bwynt dilys iawn hefyd. Nododd Jenny y pwynt hwnnw a John Griffiths yn ogystal. Hoffwn ganmol Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, nid yn unig am gefnogi'r cynnig, ond hefyd am bwysleisio'r angen am bolisïau cyfannol? Ac a gaf fi ddymuno'n dda iddo ar y gwaith o ddatblygu polisi cosbi Cymreig? Edrychwn ymlaen at weld hwnnw'n dwyn ffrwyth. Ers talwm, dros 35 mlynedd yn ôl erbyn hyn, roeddwn yn feddyg seiciatrig ym Mhen-y-bont ar Ogwr - uwch swyddog tŷ seiciatrig am chwe mis - ac roedd gan Ben-y-bont ar Ogwr dri ysbyty seiciatrig ar y pryd: Glanrhyd, lle roeddwn i wedi fy lleoli, ysbyty Pen-y-fai ac ysbyty Parc. Maent oll wedi cau bellach, am resymau da iawn, a safle ysbyty Parc yw safle carchar preifat y Parc yn awr, ond mae'n dal i gadw llawer o bobl gyda phroblemau iechyd meddwl mawr, fel hen ysbyty Parc ar yr un safle. Weithiau rydym yn meddwl, 'Nid ydym wedi symud ymlaen llawer, mewn gwirionedd', gan mai mynd i'r afael ag aildroseddu yw'r her fawr i adsefydlu troseddwyr yn iawn er mwyn osgoi'r drws troi hwnnw o aildroseddu, fel y dywedodd Jenny ac eraill. Mae'n wir, fel y dywedodd David Melding, fod angen carcharu pobl ddrwg, ond i lawer yn y carchar, mae ymdrin â'r achosion sylfaenol a galluogi adfer ac ailadeiladu bywyd a pherthynas ag eraill yn ganolog. Mynd i'r afael â materion iechyd meddwl yw un o'r pethau pwysicaf - soniodd nifer o bobl am hynny, ac mewn gwirionedd, rhaid inni fynd i'r afael â hynny - o fy hen wasanaeth seiciatrig ers talwm. Yn yr un modd, mae iechyd corfforol, tai, gwasanaethau cymdeithasol, addysg, hyfforddiant a chyflogaeth, gwasanaethau cyffuriau ac alcohol - mae pob un o'r rhain yn wasanaethau cyhoeddus datganoledig. Mae angen eu cydlynu ac mae angen inni sicrhau bod troseddwyr yn cael mynediad parod atynt. Ond rydym yn dioddef o ddiffyg cydlynu ar hyn o bryd oherwydd, fel rydym wedi clywed, mae carchardai, plismona, y llysoedd a'r gwasanaeth prawf yn parhau i fod heb eu datganoli. Felly, ceir diffyg cysylltiad sylfaenol, a thrwy hynny ceir her enfawr i fynd i'r afael â drws troi aildroseddu, ac mae angen datganoli plismona a chyfiawnder troseddol i'r Cynulliad Cenedlaethol hwn yng Nghymru - a hynny yn awr - am bob un o'r rhesymau hyn, a hefyd gallwn osgoi cyhoeddiadau annisgwyl am garchar mawr ym Maglan. Yma yn y Cynulliad, ni fu modd inni ymateb nes ar ôl i'r cyhoeddiad gael ei wneud. Nid oes angen y warws enfawr hon o garcharorion, a bydd yn pentyrru pwysau aruthrol ar ein gwasanaethau cyhoeddus datganoledig sydd eisoes dan straen: iechyd meddwl, tai, cyffuriau ac alcohol ac yn y blaen. Ychydig o gymorth ychwanegol a gaiff byrddau iechyd sydd â charchar ynddynt eisoes tuag at y pwysau ychwanegol ar wasanaethau tai, iechyd ac addysg lleol. Dyna pam yr ystyrir y posibilrwydd o carchar mawr ar orlifdir, ar dir Llywodraeth Cymru a ddynodwyd ar gyfer busnes a chyflogaeth, gyda'r fath ofid. Felly, edrychaf ymlaen at weld Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn cyflwyno ac yn bwrw ati gyda'r weledigaeth falch honno o system gosbi Gymreig annibynnol. Dyna sy'n ofynnol ar gyfer holl bobl y wlad hon. Mwy o bŵer i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Diolch yn fawr.