English: I honestly don't think I could disagree with you more, actually, Minister. Many years ago, I worked for a very wise business leader who said that he would never sack me for making a mistake, but he would sack me for failing to own it; and this is what we have here. Just let me remind you where we're at, because these are the last amendments to this Bill that are about the duty of quality and the duty of candour. Now, the whole premise of this entire Bill is about driving up the quality standards and about making our NHS more open and transparent. We have more amendments to come, but they're all about the citizen voice body and some technical stuff, basically. So, these are the two main strands: we want an honest and open culture, a culture where, when a staff nurse or midwife does a report that says that there are serious failings in maternity services, she or he would feel empowered to be able to flag that up because that's a duty of candour, and it's representing a duty of quality. So, what is about to be passed - because I'm sure you'll end up, because you've been whipped, voting this amendment down - is a Bill that is going to actually say something along the lines of, 'Please be candid, but if you're not, if you deliberately decide not to be, then never mind.' And that's what we're trying to do here. We may not have done it in the best way. You used the word 'punitive', and you've used it a couple of times tonight. This isn't about punishment, but it is about saying, 'Please be honest. If you're honest: absolutely fine. If you own it: absolutely fine.' That's what the patient wants, the odd 'Sorry' every now and again. That's what we want to hear, 'We screwed up on this, we need to do it differently', not hiding it. We've got too many instances where it's deliberately being hidden or there's deliberate vagueness, and it's just not being changed. So, well done, great Bill, great bit of legislation, but it's going to do very little to actually drive that culture change. We've all talked about it, time and time again, about being the best, about Wales having the leading NHS, the best social care, the best of everything, being the first with new and groundbreaking legislation. With this, all we're saying is, give it some teeth, so that if you are a senior manager and you see something and you choose to stick it in your bottom drawer and say nothing about it you will know that, eventually, when you are found out there will be consequences. Please vote for these amendments.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn credu y gallwn anghytuno â chi'n fwy, mewn gwirionedd, Gweinidog. Flynyddoedd lawer yn ôl, gweithiais i arweinydd busnes doeth iawn a ddywedodd na fyddai byth yn fy niswyddo am wneud camgymeriad, ond byddai'n fy niswyddo am fethu â chymryd cyfrifoldeb am y camgymeriad; a dyma sydd gennym yma. Gadewch imi eich atgoffa am y sefyllfa ar hyn o bryd, oherwydd dyma'r gwelliannau olaf i'r Bil hwn sy'n ymwneud â'r ddyletswydd ansawdd a'r ddyletswydd gonestrwydd. Nawr, mae holl gynsail y Bil cyfan hwn yn ymwneud â gwella'r safonau ansawdd a gwneud ein GIG yn fwy agored a thryloyw. Mae gennym fwy o welliannau i ddod, ond maen nhw i gyd yn ymwneud â chorff llais y dinesydd a rhai pethau technegol, yn y bôn. Felly, dyma'r ddau brif faes: rydym am gael diwylliant gonest ac agored, diwylliant a fyddai, pan fydd nyrs staff neu fydwraig yn gwneud adroddiad sy'n dweud bod diffygion difrifol mewn gwasanaethau mamolaeth, yn gwneud iddyn nhw deimlo bod ganddyn nhw'r grym i allu tynnu sylw at hynny gan ei fod yn ddyletswydd gonestrwydd, ac mae'n cynrychioli dyletswydd ansawdd. Felly, yr hyn sydd ar fin cael ei basio - oherwydd rwy'n siŵr y byddwch chi'n pleidleision yn erbyn y gwelliant hwn gan eich bod wedi cael eich chwipio - yw Bil sy'n mynd i ddweud rhywbeth tebyg i, 'Byddwch yn ddidwyll, ond os nad ydych chi'n ddidwyll, os byddwch yn fwriadol yn penderfynu peidio â bod, yna does dim ots.' A dyna beth rydym ni'n ceisio ei wneud yma. Efallai nad ydym wedi gwneud hynny yn y ffordd orau. Fe wnaethoch chi ddefnyddio'r gair 'cosb', ac rydych wedi ei ddefnyddio cwpl o weithiau heno. Nid yw hyn yn ymwneud â chosbi, ond mae'n dweud, 'Byddwch yn onest. Os ydych chi'n onest: iawn. Os ydych yn cymryd cyfrifoldeb: iawn.' Dyna beth mae'r claf ei eisiau, 'Sori' bob nawr ac yn y man. Dyna'r hyn yr ydym am ei glywed, 'Gwnaethom gamgymeriad, mae angen inni ei wneud yn wahanol', nid ei guddio. Mae gennym ormod o achosion lle mae'n fwriadol yn cael ei guddio neu fod aneglurder bwriadol, ac nid yw'n cael ei newid. Felly, da iawn, Bil gwych, darn da o ddeddfwriaeth, ond nid yw'n mynd i wneud fawr ddim i yrru'r newid diwylliant hwnnw mewn gwirionedd. Rydym i gyd wedi siarad am y peth, dro ar ôl tro, am fod y gorau, am Gymru yn cael y GIG gorau, y gofal cymdeithasol gorau, y gorau o bopeth, bod y cyntaf i gael deddfwriaeth newydd ac arloesol. Gyda hyn, y cyfan rydyn ni'n ei ddweud yw, rhowch ddannedd iddo. Felly os ydych chi'n uwch reolwr ac yn gweld rhywbeth ac yn dewis ei gadw yn eich drôr gwaelod a dweud dim amdano, fe fyddwch chi'n gwybod, yn y pendraw, y bydd goblygiadau pan fyddwch chi'n cael eich dal. Pleidleisiwch dros y gwelliannau hyn os gwelwch yn dda.