English: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. When I opened this debate, I said the Welsh Government's aim for an 80 per cent carbon footprint reduction was a laudable objective. But I believe there are far better ways of achieving this objective. In a previous debate, Huw Irranca-Davies talked of cutting energy use as part of the strategy to reduce our carbon footprint. I believe this is a much more sustainable and cost-effective way to achieve the Government's goal. If every house in Wales were fitted with a modern, highly efficient gas boiler, and if triple glazing were installed in every house and instead of a huge arrays of solar panels blighting our countryside, they were placed on every dwelling, the effect on our energy consumption would be dramatic. All this should be funded by Government for every householder, not just those who qualify under the benefit schemes. The public sector could play a huge part in this reduction by installing solar panels on every public building, estimated, if we include schools, to be in their thousands. The far more efficient micro-hydro schemes should be encouraged. Every Welsh river and many of their contributories are capable of sustaining these installations with little or no damage to the environment. We should take inspiration from the past where, prior to the advent of electricity, water mills powered most of the industrial revolution. I'm sad to hear, earlier in another debate, that these developments are going to be subject to a huge hike in their costs. I want to return to Manmoel to end my contribution to this debate. The efficacy of the entire development at Manmoel is seriously put into question when we have evidence that a planning application has been submitted to Caerphilly council for the installation of 32 diesel generators to act as back-up to the wind turbines when they fail to produce the required amount of electricity to supply the grid, or, if you prefer, as they described in their application, for the provision of a flexible generation facility to provide energy balancing services via the capacity market for the National Grid. Each generator measures 15 m by 2.5 m and stands 6 m high. These are no small diesel units. These are significant diesel engines. It is estimated that if they run for just 200 hours, as estimated, they will consume 1 million litres of diesel each and every year they are in operation. The irony of the use of these diesel generators is that they are less than a mile from the acknowledged worst polluted town outside London - that of Crumlin. I urge the Welsh Government to radically change its policy, not to climate change objectives, but the strategies it employs to achieve them. I want to just take up the points made by Rhianon Passmore as to whether I am bandstanding here this afternoon. Well, the truth of the matter is that that is not what I'm doing - [Interruption.] That is not what I'm doing. The people of Manmoel approached me because they could get no other local representative to take any note of what they were saying. So, that's exactly why I'm here today. Simon Thomas seems to have missed the whole ethos of this debate - that there is no protection against the size or locality of such developments. And Huw Irranca's point about the local community being able to make some difference to this is obviously and patently not the case with regard to Manmoel. David Melding said something about a return to the disfigurement of the countryside. Well, that's exactly what I'm saying we should not do in this debate. So, again, I urge the Welsh Government to radically change its policy, not to climate change objectives, but the strategy it employs to achieve them.
Welsh: Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. Pan agorais y ddadl hon, dywedais fod nod Llywodraeth Cymru o leihau'r ôl troed carbon 80 y cant yn amcan canmoladwy. Ond rwy'n credu bod ffyrdd llawer gwell o gyflawni'r amcan hwn. Mewn dadl flaenorol, siaradodd Huw Irranca-Davies am leihau'r defnydd o ynni fel rhan o'r strategaeth i leihau ein hôl troed carbon. Rwy'n credu bod hon yn ffordd lawer mwy cynaliadwy a chosteffeithiol o gyrraedd nod y Llywodraeth. Pe bai gan bob tŷ yng Nghymru foeler nwy modern effeithlon iawn, a phe bai gwydr triphlyg yn cael ei osod ym mhob tŷ ac yn lle araeau enfawr o baneli solar yn difetha ein cefn gwlad, eu bod yn cael eu gosod ar bob annedd, byddai'r effaith ar ein defnydd o ynni'n ddramatig. Dylai hyn i gyd gael ei ariannu gan y Llywodraeth ar gyfer pob deiliad tŷ, nid yn unig y rhai sy'n gymwys o dan y cynlluniau budd-daliadau. Gallai'r sector cyhoeddus chwarae rhan enfawr yn y gostyngiad hwn drwy osod paneli solar ar bob adeilad cyhoeddus, yr amcangyfrifir eu bod yn eu miloedd, os ydym yn cynnwys ysgolion. Dylid annog y cynlluniau micro-hydro llawer mwy effeithlon. Mae pob afon yng Nghymru a llawer o'u his-afonydd yn gallu cynnal y gosodiadau hyn gydag ond ychydig o niwed i'r amgylchedd os o gwbl. Dylem gael ysbrydoliaeth o'r gorffennol pan oedd melinau dŵr yn pweru'r rhan fwyaf o'r chwyldro diwydiannol cyn dyfodiad trydan. Trist oedd clywed yn gynharach mewn dadl arall fod cost y datblygiadau hyn yn mynd i godi'n sylweddol iawn. Rwyf am ddychwelyd at Fan-moel i orffen fy nghyfraniad i'r ddadl hon. Mae cwestiwn mawr yn codi ynglŷn ag effeithiolrwydd y datblygiad cyfan ym Man-moel pan fo gennym dystiolaeth fod cais cynllunio wedi'i gyflwyno i gyngor Caerffili ar gyfer gosod 32 o generaduron diesel i weithredu wrth gefn yn lle'r tyrbinau gwynt pan fyddant yn methu cynhyrchu'r capasiti trydan sy'n ofynnol i gyflenwi'r grid, neu os yw'n well gennych, fel y disgrifiant yn eu cais, ar gyfer darparu cyfleuster cynhyrchu hyblyg i ddarparu gwasanaethau cydbwyso ynni drwy'r farchnad gapasiti ar gyfer y Grid Cenedlaethol. Mae pob generadur yn 15 metr wrth 2.5 metr ac yn 6 metr o uchder. Nid unedau diesel bach yw'r rhain. Maent yn beiriannau diesel sylweddol. Os ydynt yn rhedeg am 200 awr yn unig, yn ôl yr amcangyfrif, byddant yn defnyddio 1 filiwn litr o ddiesel bob blwyddyn y byddant yn weithredol. Eironi defnyddio'r generaduron diesel hyn yw eu bod yn llai na milltir o'r dref sy'n cael ei chydnabod fel y dref fwyaf llygredig y tu allan i Lundain - Crymlyn. Rwy'n annog Llywodraeth Cymru i newid ei pholisi'n radical, nid o ran amcanion newid yn yr hinsawdd, ond o ran y strategaethau y mae'n eu defnyddio i'w cyflawni. Rwyf am fynd ar ôl y pwyntiau a wnaeth Rhianon Passmore ynglŷn ag ai siarad gorchest yw'r hyn rwy'n ei wneud yma y prynhawn yma. Wel, y gwir amdani yw nad dyna rwy'n ei wneud - [Torri ar draws.] Nid dyna rwy'n ei wneud. Daeth pobl Man-moel ataf oherwydd na allent gael unrhyw gynrychiolydd lleol arall i roi sylw i'r hyn roeddent yn ei ddweud. Felly, dyna'n union pam rwyf fi yma heddiw. Mae'n ymddangos bod Simon Thomas wedi methu holl ethos y ddadl hon - nad oes unrhyw amddiffyniad yn erbyn maint neu leoliad datblygiadau o'r fath. Ac mae'n amlwg ac yn eglur nad yw pwynt Huw Irranca am y gymuned leol yn gallu gwneud peth gwahaniaeth i hyn yn wir mewn perthynas â Man-moel. Dywedodd David Melding rywbeth am ddychwelyd at anffurfio cefn gwlad. Wel, dyna'n union yr hyn rwy'n ei ddweud na ddylem ei wneud yn y ddadl hon. Felly, unwaith eto, rwy'n annog Llywodraeth Cymru i newid ei pholisi'n radical, nid o ran amcanion newid yn yr hinsawdd, ond o ran y strategaeth y mae'n eu defnyddio i'w cyflawni.