English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and can I thank everybody who has contributed to this debate? It's been an excellent and very useful debate, much of which has reflected some of the tensions that are apparent in the report, really. Mark Reckless began by talking about the trade-off between universal and targeted provision, and that is something that is very much at the heart of this report. Mark, along with a number of other Members, expressed concern at the rejection of recommendation 6, as did Michelle Brown and Hefin David. I think the Minister will have heard today that there is clearly a view that, although we don't want to increase the burden on local authorities, we do need to get more information on how this money is being spent. Llyr Gruffydd highlighted that friction, again, but also the committee wanting to know more, really, about how the 5 per cent has come about, and that is one of the issues that is the heart of this really - around how we're actually evaluating what the need is and what we're doing with the very significant spend that is involved here. John Griffiths referred to an example that he used during the inquiry around the fact that Moorland Park families do benefit from Flying Start while Broadmead families, just across the road, can't. Jenny was frustrated about why they couldn't just walk across the road to use them, but the fact is that they're not funded to have that provision, so that's why they can't. But it's a very graphic example of where the system is falling down and what we need to try to address. Michelle Brown spoke about the geographical tensions again, but also the issue of evaluation, which has been really key to our consideration of this report. It is undoubtedly the case that there have been lots of evaluations, but we still don't really know as much information as we need to know, and that's why the initiatives that the Minister has announced, which will, hopefully, refine some of that information, will be really valuable. Jenny Rathbone talked about the importance of the outreach element of Flying Start within the Flying Start designated areas. Well, the committee inquiry wasn't intended to look at that. It was a very focused inquiry on what we are doing outside the geographical areas, but what I would say is what you've highlighted about midwives and health visitors is very important, because because the programme only measures the number of people who have contact with health visitors, and everybody already has a health visitor if you've got a child, we are not getting to the heart of the data, so we don't know how many other families have taken up the speech and language assistance, how many have taken up parenting, and that is the kind of information that we need to get to find out how many families are benefiting from this programme in the round. Thank you, Hefin, for adding to the concerns about recommendation 6, which the committee has been clear we'd like to see the Minister look at again. Rhianon Passmore spoke very positively about her experience of Flying Start in her area, and I have also seen that in my own patch, and I feel as conflicted as many other people, really, because you know that so little of our money is targeted geographically in Wales, and that's important, but you also recognise that we need to make sure that those families who really need it can benefit as well. Can I thank the Minister for his response and for his engagement with the committee and his ongoing commitment to do that? We will be returning to this, and we are optimistic that some of the measures that he's announced will, hopefully, get us the information that we are looking for, bearing in mind that these aren't easy things to actually evaluate. How can you also evaluate what it would be like if Flying Start wasn't there? So, we've got families that are doing as well as families in more affluent areas and that is, undoubtedly, in some part down to Flying Start. Can I just close, then, by thanking all the Members of the committee for their continued support and engagement on this and also by thanking our excellent clerking and research team, who, as always, have been absolutely brilliant? It's been an excellent debate, and I'm sure the whole committee is looking forward to returning to this and to ensuring that that very significant spend is delivering for all our children in Wales. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch ichi, Ddirprwy Lywydd, a hoffwn ddiolch i bawb sydd wedi cyfrannu at y ddadl hon. Mae wedi bod yn ddadl ardderchog a defnyddiol iawn, a llawer ohoni wedi adlewyrchu rhai o'r tensiynau sy'n amlwg yn yr adroddiad, mewn gwirionedd. Dechreuodd Mark Reckless drwy sôn am y cyfaddawd rhwng darpariaeth gyffredinol a darpariaeth wedi'i thargedu, ac mae hynny'n rhywbeth sy'n ganolog iawn i'r adroddiad hwn. Mynegodd Mark, ynghyd â nifer o'r Aelodau eraill, bryder ynglŷn â gwrthod argymhelliad 6, fel y gwnaeth Michelle Brown a Hefin David. Credaf y bydd y Gweinidog wedi clywed heddiw fod yna farn eglur, er nad ydym eisiau cynyddu'r baich ar awdurdodau lleol, fod angen inni gael mwy o wybodaeth ynglŷn â sut y gwerir yr arian hwn. Tynnodd Llyr Gruffydd sylw at y gwrthdaro hwnnw, unwaith eto, ond hefyd at y ffaith bod y pwyllgor yn awyddus i wybod mwy, mewn gwirionedd, ynglŷn â sut y digwyddodd y 5 y cant, a dyna un o'r materion sydd wrth wraidd hyn mewn gwirionedd - ynglŷn â sut rydym yn gwerthuso beth yw'r angen mewn gwirionedd a beth a wnawn gyda'r gwariant sylweddol iawn sydd ynghlwm wrth hyn. Cyfeiriodd John Griffiths at enghraifft a ddefnyddiodd yn ystod yr ymchwiliad ynglŷn â'r ffaith bod teuluoedd Parc Moorland yn elwa o Dechrau'n Deg ond na all teuluoedd Parc Broadmead, ar draws y ffordd, wneud hynny. Roedd Jenny'n teimlo'n rhwystredig ynglŷn â pham na allent gerdded ar draws y ffordd i'w defnyddio, ond y ffaith amdani yw nad ydynt wedi'u cyllido i gael y ddarpariaeth honno, felly dyna pam na allant. Ond mae'n enghraifft graffig iawn o ble mae'r system yn methu a beth y mae angen inni geisio mynd i'r afael ag ef. Siaradodd Michelle Brown am y tensiynau daearyddol eto, ond hefyd am werthuso, sydd wedi bod yn wirioneddol allweddol i'n hystyriaeth o'r adroddiad hwn. Yn ddi-os cafwyd llawer o werthusiadau, ond nid ydym yn gwybod cymaint ag y mae angen inni ei wybod o hyd, a dyna pam y bydd y mentrau a gyhoeddwyd gan y Gweinidog a fydd, gobeithio, yn mireinio peth o'r wybodaeth honno, yn wirioneddol werthfawr. Soniodd Jenny Rathbone am bwysigrwydd elfen allgymorth Dechrau'n Deg yn ardaloedd dynodedig Dechrau'n Deg. Wel, ni fwriadwyd i ymchwiliad y pwyllgor edrych ar hynny. Roedd yn ymchwiliad a ganolbwyntiai'n fanwl ar yr hyn a wnawn y tu allan i'r ardaloedd daearyddol, ond hoffwn ddweud bod yr hyn rydych wedi tynnu sylw ato ynglŷn â bydwragedd ac ymwelwyr iechyd yn bwysig iawn oherwydd am nad yw'r rhaglen ond yn mesur nifer y bobl sy'n dod i gysylltiad ag ymwelwyr iechyd, ac mae gan bawb ymwelydd iechyd eisoes os oes gennych blentyn, nid ydym yn cyrraedd calon y data, felly nid ydym yn gwybod faint o deuluoedd eraill sydd wedi manteisio ar y cymorth iaith a lleferydd, faint sydd wedi cael cymorth rhianta, a dyna'r math o wybodaeth y mae angen inni ei chael i ddarganfod faint o deuluoedd i gyd sy'n elwa o'r rhaglen hon. Diolch i chi, Hefin, am ychwanegu at y pryderon ynghylch argymhelliad 6, ac mae'r pwyllgor wedi dweud yn glir y byddem yn hoffi gweld y Gweinidog yn edrych arno unwaith eto. Siaradodd Rhianon Passmore yn gadarnhaol iawn ynglŷn â'i phrofiad o Dechrau'n Deg yn ei hardal, ac rwyf wedi gweld hynny yn fy ardal i hefyd, ac rwy'n teimlo fy mod yn cael fy nhynnu i'r ddau gyfeiriad fel llawer o bobl eraill mewn gwirionedd, am eich bod yn gwybod bod cyn lleied o'n harian wedi'i dargedu'n ddaearyddol yng Nghymru, ac mae hynny'n bwysig, ond rydych hefyd yn cydnabod bod angen inni wneud yn siŵr fod y teuluoedd sydd ei angen o ddifrif yn gallu elwa hefyd. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r Gweinidog am ei ymateb ac am ei ymgysylltiad â'r pwyllgor a'i ymrwymiad parhaus i wneud hynny? Byddwn yn dychwelyd at hyn, ac rydym yn obeithiol y bydd rhai o'r mesurau y mae wedi'u cyhoeddi, gobeithio, yn rhoi'r wybodaeth rydym yn chwilio amdani, o gofio nad yw'r rhain yn bethau hawdd i'w gwerthuso mewn gwirionedd. Sut y gallwch werthuso hefyd sut fyddai pethau pe na bai Dechrau'n Deg yno? Felly, mae gennym deuluoedd yn gwneud cystal ag y mae teuluoedd mewn ardaloedd mwy cefnog ac mae'r diolch am hynny, yn rhannol yn sicr, i Dechrau'n Deg. A gaf fi orffen, felly, drwy ddiolch i holl aelodau'r pwyllgor am eu cymorth a'u hymgysylltiad parhaus ar hyn a hefyd drwy ddiolch i'n tîm clercio ac ymchwil rhagorol, sydd, fel bob amser, wedi bod yn hollol wych? Mae wedi bod yn ddadl ardderchog, ac rwy'n siŵr fod y pwyllgor cyfan yn edrych ymlaen at ddychwelyd at hyn a sicrhau bod y gwariant sylweddol hwn yn cyflawni ar gyfer ein holl blant yng Nghymru. Diolch.