English: In the run-up, Minister, to the general election your Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn stated in his election bid that Labour would develop a system of free social care in Wales. It is now clear, however, from this statement that you have u-turned already on this and that your solution is to introduce a tax here in Wales. I would like to thank the Minister for acknowledging the uncertainties in projecting future expenditure needs for social care. This is undeniable. The cost is predicted to grow between £35 million and £327 million a year by 2022-23, which is a huge variation, and makes it that much harder to identify the figure actually needed and to how to fund it going forward. I would like to share an important message that I hear from those delivering and receiving social care, and they say this: we need to invest more in prevention and early intervention. Too often, things are allowed to - . There's a lack of access to available services, and too often money from the health budget and the social care budget is going in at a very high level when things have reached almost crisis point. Actually, if there were better prevention models, if there were better intervention models, and if money was going in at that lower level, you could assist and support more people at a more reasonable cost, preventing this high-end cost that ultimately arises when people end up in crisis. According to 'The "Front Door" to Adult Social Care' report by the Wales Audit Office, local authorities are preventing social care demand, but information, advice and assistance - IAA - are not consistently effective. They say themselves they have found a postcode lottery on preventative community services. They also say that regional partnership boards don't always necessarily have the right commitment and buy-in from, on most occasions, our health service, despite our local authorities working really hard in social care departments on very fixed budgets that are not allowed to go into deficit. They find that the regional partnership boards, in some instances, are little more than a talking shop. This, to me, sounds like an ineffective system, so what consideration will you give to making the system we currently have more efficient by putting strong prevention and intervention measures first? Prevention, of course, is one of the underlying principles of the integrated care fund. Your statement notes that the group is keen to deepen the benefits of the ICF. So why then, tell me, of the 493 projects supported by the ICF in 2018-19, did around 60 per cent of those not continue to receive funding in 2019-20? As a businesswoman, that tells me that the project shouldn't have been started in the first place, or there were excellent projects that you have failed to continue funding. That is not a good way of actually moving forward. This is an important point because, whilst the draft budget provides £130 million into the ICF to help regional partnership boards, the auditor general himself has remarked that there is little evidence that successful projects were being mainstreamed into core budgets. So, question 2: how can we be sure that the £130 million would not be better spent through a fair distribution of that money between Wales's 22 local authorities, allowing them to lead on prevention and integration and cutting out this ridiculous, costly bureaucracy and financial incapability, because of the money being so ring-fenced and tied to these boards? Before considering a levy or a tax to our people in Wales, I believe that we need to acknowledge that an extra £1.9 billion will be coming to the Welsh Government following increased health spending in England by the UK Government. Also, as part of my spokesperson's role within the Welsh Conservatives, I have been proud to work with care home proprietors across north Wales, and I've challenged Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board in an effort to secure fairer CHC fees. So, with that, will the inter-ministerial group explore the potential benefits of the Welsh NHS making more finance available to support the social care sector? What has come through to me is that people are fed up. They're fed up with budgets in health boards being allowed to grow and grow in debt and deficit, yet local authorities are bound to deliver a balanced budget. Quite often, as a result of people stuck in beds in the health service, when they really should be in their own homes or in the respective care surroundings that they need, too often money that should be spent by the health board is actually being picked up by our already-cash-strapped local authorities.
Welsh: Yn y cyfnod a oedd yn arwain at yr etholiad cyffredinol, Gweinidog, fe ddywedodd arweinydd eich Plaid Lafur chi, Jeremy Corbyn, yn ei gais etholiadol ef y byddai Llafur yn datblygu system o ofal cymdeithasol rhad ac am ddim yng Nghymru. Mae bellach yn amlwg, fodd bynnag, o'r datganiad hwn eich bod chi wedi gwneud tro pedol ynglŷn â hyn yn barod, a'ch ateb chi yw cyflwyno treth yma yng Nghymru. Fe hoffwn i ddiolch i'r Gweinidog am gydnabod bod ansicrwydd wrth ragamcanu anghenion gwariant y dyfodol ar gyfer gofal cymdeithasol. Ni ellir gwadu hyn. Rhagwelir y bydd y gost yn cynyddu rhwng £35 miliwn a £327 miliwn y flwyddyn erbyn 2022-23, sy'n amrywiad aruthrol, ac fe wna hynny hi'n anodd iawn nodi'r ffigur sydd wirioneddol ei angen sut i'w ariannu wrth symud ymlaen. Fe hoffwn i rannu neges bwysig yr wyf i'n ei chlywed gan y rhai sy'n darparu ac yn derbyn gofal cymdeithasol, ac maen nhw'n dweud hyn: mae angen inni fuddsoddi mwy mewn atal ac ymyrryd yn gynnar. Yn rhy aml, fe ganiateir i bethau - . Mae diffyg mynediad at y gwasanaethau sydd ar gael, ac yn rhy aml mae arian yn mynd i mewn o'r gyllideb iechyd a'r gyllideb gofal cymdeithasol ar lefel uchel iawn pan fydd pethau wedi datblygu i fod yn argyfwng. Mewn gwirionedd, pe ceid modelau atal gwell, pe ceid modelau ymyrryd gwell, a phe bai arian yn mynd i mewn ar y lefel is honno, fe allech chi gynorthwyo a chefnogi mwy o bobl am gost fwy rhesymol, gan atal y gost uchel hon sy'n codi yn y pen draw pan fo pobl mewn argyfwng. Yn ôl yr adroddiad 'Y "Drws Blaen" i ofal cymdeithasol i oedolion' gan Swyddfa Archwilio Cymru, mae awdurdodau lleol yn atal y galw am ofal cymdeithasol, ond nid yw gwybodaeth, cyngor a chymorth - IAA - yn gyson effeithiol. Maen nhw'n dweud eu bod nhw wedi darganfod loteri cod post o ran gwasanaethau cymunedol ataliol. Maen nhw'n dweud hefyd nad oes gan fyrddau partneriaeth rhanbarthol yr ymrwymiad na'r ymroddiad priodol gan ein gwasanaeth iechyd, yn y rhan fwyaf o achosion, er gwaethaf y ffaith bod ein hawdurdodau lleol yn gweithio'n galed iawn mewn adrannau gofal cymdeithasol ar gyllidebau cyfyng iawn na chaniateir iddynt fynd i ddyled ynddynt. Maen nhw'n canfod nad yw'r byrddau partneriaeth rhanbarthol, mewn rhai achosion, yn ddim byd ond siop siarad. Mae hyn, i mi, yn swnio'n debyg i system aneffeithiol, felly pa ystyriaeth a fyddwch chi'n ei rhoi i wneud y system sydd gennym ni ar hyn o bryd yn fwy effeithlon drwy roi'r flaenoriaeth i fesurau cryf i atal ac ymyrryd? Atal, wrth gwrs, yw un o egwyddorion sylfaenol y gronfa gofal integredig. Mae eich datganiad chi'n nodi bod y grŵp yn awyddus i ymestyn manteision y gronfa gofal integredig. Felly pam, dywedwch wrthyf i, o'r 493 o brosiectau a gefnogwyd gan y gronfa gofal integredig yn 2018-19, y peidiodd tua 60 y cant o'r rhain â pharhau i dderbyn cyllid yn 2019-20? Yn wraig fusnes, mae hynny'n gwneud i mi amau na ddylid bod wedi dechrau'r prosiect yn y lle cyntaf, neu fod yna brosiectau ardderchog na wnaethoch chi barhau i'w hariannu nhw. Nid yw honno'n ffordd dda o symud ymlaen. Mae hwn yn bwynt pwysig oherwydd, er bod y gyllideb ddrafft yn darparu £130 miliwn i'r gronfa gofal integredig i helpu byrddau partneriaeth rhanbarthol, mae'r Archwilydd Cyffredinol wedi dweud ei hunan mai prin yw'r dystiolaeth bod prosiectau llwyddiannus yn cael eu prif-ffrydio i'r cyllidebau craidd. Felly, cwestiwn 2: sut y gallwn ni fod yn siŵr na fyddai'n well gwario'r £130 miliwn drwy ddosbarthu'r arian hwnnw'n deg rhwng 22 awdurdod lleol Cymru, gan ganiatáu iddyn nhw arwain o ran atal ac integreiddio a thorri allan y fiwrocratiaeth chwerthinllyd, gostus hon a'r diffyg cyfrifoldeb ariannol, oherwydd bod yr arian hwn wedi'i glustnodi i'r fath raddau ac wedi ei glymu i'r byrddau hyn? Cyn ystyried ardoll neu drethiant ar ein pobl ni yng Nghymru, rwyf i o'r farn fod angen inni gydnabod y bydd £1.9 biliwn ychwanegol yn dod i Lywodraeth Cymru ar ôl i Lywodraeth y DU gynyddu gwariant ar iechyd yn Lloegr. Hefyd, yn rhan o'm swyddogaeth i yn llefarydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, rwyf wedi bod yn falch o weithio gyda pherchnogion cartrefi gofal ledled y gogledd, ac rwyf wedi herio Bwrdd Iechyd Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr mewn ymgais i sicrhau ffioedd cyngor iechyd cymuned sy'n fwy teg. Felly, gyda hynny, a fydd y grŵp rhyng-weinidogol yn ymchwilio i'r manteision posibl o GIG Cymru yn sicrhau bod mwy o arian i gefnogi'r sector gofal cymdeithasol? Rwy'n teimlo bod pobl wedi cael llond bol. Maen nhw wedi cael llond bol ar gyllidebau mewn byrddau iechyd yn cael eu caniatáu i dyfu a chynyddu yn eu dyledion a'u diffygion ariannol, ond eto mae awdurdodau lleol wedi eu rhwymo i ddarparu cyllideb sy'n gytbwys. Yn aml iawn, o ganlyniad i bobl yn gorwedd yng ngwelyau y gwasanaeth iechyd, pan ddylent mewn gwirionedd fod yn eu cartrefi eu hunain neu yn yr amgylchedd gofal priodol sydd ei angen arnyn nhw, yn rhy aml o lawer mae'r arian y dylai'r bwrdd iechyd fod yn ei wario yn cael ei wario gan ein hawdurdodau lleol sydd eisoes yn brin o arian.