English: Diolch. I have to be brief, as time is short, but thanks very much to all contributors. Mike Hedges, as you said, this investigation was timely. Although it primarily involves older people, it is not exclusively about older people; everything should be equitable, and we need to move from doing things to or for people to doing things with them. Natasha emphasised the need for financial stability where the funding landscape is complex and confusing and staff are being lost to the retail and hospitality sectors. Peredur Griffiths talked about the need to simplify the process for care home commissioning, and about the lack of community hospital capacity. That takes me back to the campaign initially won and then lost, in the third Senedd term, Community Hospitals Acting Nationally Together Cymru, CHANT Cymru. We held the line briefly but then they closed them. But that's not the Chair speaking - momentarily, I became an independent Member. Right. [ Laughter. ] Gareth Davies referred to the importance of the role of nurses, and also the importance of staff recruitment and retention. I thank the Deputy Minister for her response. She referred to the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014, and talked about evaluation studies being undertaken, and service users and carers helping the Welsh Government to shape this via task and finish groups. We do need to know how those groups comply with co-productive principles, which is about making time to save time, and turning the power thing upside down. How is that building community resilience and capacity, so that people can be genuine equal partners and co-creators? As the written response that we have from the Welsh Government stated, once the expert group report is considered by Ministers and the designated Member, there will be an extensive period of consultation, including service users and their families, as part of the process to develop an implementation plan. That is the absolute antithesis of the social services and well-being Act, and its codes of practice. Where are the genuine prudential care principles - co-production, early intervention and prevention principles - running to that? And in terms of both accepted and rejected recommendations, I'm pleased to hear some of the Deputy Minister's response, but I still feel that perhaps there's a deficit, which is reflecting itself in public services elsewhere in Wales, in terms of really understanding what the voice of lived experience, the cost savings that can be generated through that and information sharing actually mean. And if we embrace that properly, how we can genuinely improve lives, build stronger communities and, ultimately, not add costs but save costs, too. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch. Mae'n rhaid i mi fod yn fyr, gan fod amser yn brin, ond diolch yn fawr i'r holl gyfranwyr. Mike Hedges, fel y dywedoch chi, roedd yr ymchwiliad hwn yn amserol. Er ei fod yn cynnwys pobl hŷn yn bennaf, nid yw'n ymwneud â phobl hŷn yn unig; dylai popeth fod yn deg, ac mae angen inni symud o wneud pethau i, neu ar gyfer pobl, i wneud pethau gyda hwy. Pwysleisiodd Natasha yr angen am sefydlogrwydd ariannol lle mae'r dirwedd ariannu yn gymhleth ac yn ddryslyd ac mae staff yn cael eu colli i'r sectorau manwerthu a lletygarwch. Soniodd Peredur Griffiths am yr angen i symleiddio'r broses ar gyfer comisiynu cartrefi gofal, ac am ddiffyg capasiti ysbytai cymunedol. Mae hynny'n mynd a fi'n ôl at yr ymgyrch a gafodd ei hennill i ddechrau ac yna'i cholli, yn nhrydydd tymor y Senedd, Ysbytai Cymunedol yn Gweithredu'n Genedlaethol Gyda'i Gilydd, CHANT Cymru. Fe wnaethom ddal y lein am gyfnod byr ond yna fe wnaethant eu cau. Ond nid y Gadair sy'n siarad nawr - am eiliad, roeddwn i'n Aelod annibynnol. Iawn. [ Chwerthin. ] Cyfeiriodd Gareth Davies at bwysigrwydd rôl nyrsys, a phwysigrwydd recriwtio a chadw staff hefyd. Diolch i'r Dirprwy Weinidog am ei hymateb. Cyfeiriodd at Ddeddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) 2014, a soniodd am astudiaethau gwerthuso'n cael eu cynnal, a defnyddwyr gwasanaethau a gofalwyr yn helpu Llywodraeth Cymru i lywio hyn drwy grwpiau gorchwyl a gorffen. Mae angen inni wybod sut y mae'r grwpiau hynny'n cydymffurfio ag egwyddorion cydgynhyrchu, sy'n ymwneud â gwneud amser i arbed amser, a throi'r peth pŵer wyneb i waered. Sut y mae hynny'n adeiladu gwytnwch a chapasiti cymunedol, fel y gall pobl fod yn bartneriaid a chyd-grewyr gwirioneddol gyfartal? Fel y dywedodd yr ymateb ysgrifenedig sydd gennym gan Lywodraeth Cymru, pan fydd adroddiad y grŵp arbenigol yn cael ei ystyried gan Weinidogion a'r Aelod dynodedig, bydd cyfnod helaeth o ymgynghori, gan gynnwys defnyddwyr gwasanaethau a'u teuluoedd, fel rhan o'r broses i ddatblygu cynllun gweithredu. Mae hwnnw'n gwbl wahanol i Ddeddf gwasanaethau cymdeithasol a llesiant, a'i godau ymarfer. Ble mae'r egwyddorion gofal darbodus go iawn - egwyddorion cydgynhyrchu, ymyrraeth gynnar ac atal? Ac ar yr argymhellion a dderbyniwyd ac a wrthodwyd fel ei gilydd, rwy'n falch o glywed peth o ymateb y Dirprwy Weinidog, ond rwy'n dal i deimlo efallai fod yna ddiffyg, sydd i'w weld mewn gwasanaethau cyhoeddus mewn mannau eraill yng Nghymru, o ran deall yn iawn beth y mae llais profiad bywyd, yr arbedion costau y gellir eu cynhyrchu drwy hynny a rhannu gwybodaeth yn ei olygu mewn gwirionedd. Ac os ydym yn gwneud hynny'n iawn, sut y gallwn wella bywydau go iawn, adeiladu cymunedau cryfach ac yn y pen draw, nid ychwanegu costau ond arbed costau hefyd. Diolch.