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English: Thank you. I think engagement with our staff is extremely important through all of this work. Before the work carried out this year, during the previous year we held what we called ' taith yr iaith ' across the health board in order to ensure that we raised awareness among our staff of the standards and the Measure, and what that will mean to them. And, as Sue has just mentioned, the preparatory work has been extremely important to us. I think, in terms of what the confederation said, that the important thing is that we take the staff with us as we do this work. The staff are extremely important, and that's a challenge because our staff don't necessarily speak Welsh. Many of them are not confident in using the Welsh language, and they've not been used to using the Welsh language in certain areas. But it is very different for us across north Wales, as you can understand, but what we know is that people are interested in learning the language, and we now have a tutor in north Wales and that's been of great assistance to us. So, I do think it's important to engage with staff whilst we also carry out the regulation. We have to strike that balance between promotion and regulation of the language, as well as implementing these regulations, of course.
Welsh: Diolch i chi. Rydw i'n meddwl fod ymgysylltu efo'n staff ni yn hynod bwysig drwy'r gwaith yma i gyd. Cyn y mesurau a'r gwaith eleni, fe fuom ni wrthi yn ystod y flwyddyn ddiwethaf yn cynnal taith yr iaith ar draws y bwrdd iechyd er mwyn trio gwneud yn siŵr ein bod ni'n codi ymwybyddiaeth efo'n staff ynglŷn â'r safonau a'r Mesur, a beth mae hynny'n golygu iddyn nhw. Ac, fel roedd Sue yn sôn rŵan, mae'r gwaith paratoi yna wedi bod yn hynod bwysig i ni. Rydw i'n meddwl, o ran beth ddywedodd y conffederasiwn, fel petai, mai'r peth pwysig ydy bod ein staff ni yn symud gyda ni wrth i ni greu'r gwaith yma. Mae'r staff yn hynod bwysig, ac mae hynny'n her oherwydd nid yw'n staff ni o reidrwydd yn siarad Cymraeg. Nid yw llawer ohonyn nhw'n hyderus yn defnyddio'r Gymraeg, ac nid ydyn nhw wedi arfer defnyddio'r Gymraeg gymaint â hynny mewn rhai ardaloedd. Ond mae o'n wahanol iawn i ni yma ar draws gogledd Cymru, fel y gallwch chi ddeall, ond beth rydym ni'n gwybod yw bod pobl â diddordeb mewn dysgu, ac mae gennym ni erbyn hyn diwtor yma yng ngogledd Cymru, ac mae hynny wedi'n helpu ni. Felly, rydw i yn meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig ymgysylltu efo'n staff tra byddwn ni hefyd yn gwneud y rheoleiddio. Mae'n rhaid i ni gael y cydbwysedd o hybu a hyrwyddo'r iaith, yn ogystal â rhoi'r rheoliadau yma yn eu lle.
English: Okay. Thank you very much for that. We'll move on to questions on the standards, and Dai Lloyd will be leading on this.
Welsh: Ocê. Diolch yn fawr iawn am hynny. Rydym ni'n symud ymlaen at gwestiynau ar y safonau, ac mae Dai Lloyd yn arwain.
English: Do you have any view on key weaknesses of the Welsh language standards? Do you think - ? The language schemes weren't consistent between sectors. Do you think this provides more consistency? If we can have quite brief responses, because we started a little bit late. Teresa.
Welsh: A oes gyda chi unrhyw fath o farn ar wendidau allweddol safonau'r Gymraeg? A ydych chi'n credu - ? Nid oedd y cynlluniau iaith yn gyson rhwng sectorau. A ydych chi'n credu bod hyn yn rhoi mwy o gysondeb? Os ydw i'n gallu cael atebion weddol fras, achos wnaethom ni gychwyn yn hwyr, bydd hynny'n grêt. Teresa.
English: Yes. I think consistency is the greatest thing. We've been on a journey, as it were - every scheme, every framework, every piece of work that's come through, encourages us to make a difference to our offer, and has done that, but I think it's the consistency that's the important thing with standards. That will, of course, be challenging, but we have prepared and we will continue to carry on with that work after May.
Welsh: Ydym. Rydw i'n meddwl mai cysondeb ydy'r peth mwyaf. Rydym ni wedi bod ar y siwrnai, fel maen nhw'n ei ddweud - mae pob un cynllun, fframwaith, pob darn sydd wedi dod trwodd, mewn ffordd, yn ein hannog ni i wneud gwahaniaethau, wedi gwneud gwahaniaethau i'n cynnig ni. Ond y cysondeb, rydw i'n meddwl, fydd yn bwysig efo'r safonau. Wrth gwrs, fydd hynny'n heriol, ond rydym ni wedi paratoi ac yn dal i wneud y gwaith fyddwn ni ar ôl diwedd mis Mai.
English: Well, at the moment, of course, we're not dealing with the complaints system under the standards, because they haven't come into place, as it were. But certainly, as the executive director in this area of work, I can see those complaints, and we have a multidisciplinary forum here in the health board, and, of course, when we do receive any complaints, we discuss them there to ensure that we give them the right focus. In terms of numbers, I can't comment today, but, as I said, we're not yet under the standards regime, so it's very difficult to comment specifically here. But what we are doing as a forum is discussing those and looking at improvements all the time, so that we learn from this. We have a process of reflection and learning all the time when it comes to any complaints.
Welsh: Wel, ar hyn o bryd, wrth gwrs, nid ydym ni'n delio efo'r system gwyno o dan gyfundrefn y safonau, oherwydd nid ydyn nhw wedi dod i'w lle, fel petai. Ond yn bendant, fel y cyfarwyddwr gweithredol dros yr ardal yma o waith, rydw i'n cael gweld y cwynion yna, ac mae gennym ni'r fforwm amlddisgyblaethol yma yn y bwrdd iechyd, ac, wrth gwrs, pan rydym ni'n cael unrhyw gwynion, rydym ni'n eu trafod nhw'n fanna i wneud yn siŵr ein bod ni'n rhoi'r ffocws iawn arnyn nhw. O ran y niferoedd, fedraf i ddim rhoi sylw heddiw i chi, ac, wrth gwrs, fel rydw i'n ei ddweud, nid ydym ni eto o dan gyfundrefn y safonau, wedyn mae'n anodd rhoi sylw arbennig fan hyn. Ond beth rydym ni yn ei wneud fel fforwm ydy trafod y rheini ac edrych ar welliannau trwy gydol yr amser, fel ein bod ni'n dysgu. Mae gennym ni broses o adlewyrchu a dysgu drwy'r amser pan mae'n dod i unrhyw gwynion.
English: And we take them seriously. One of the other things that we've done is we have internal work, a secret shopper, or mystery shopper, and that is happening at the moment, naturally. We receive information every quarter into our language forum to discuss what we're learning from that, and once more, we're trying to prioritise those areas where we know that we need to prioritise because there are vulnerable patients, or if there are any comments that have been made. And then those do come to the fore and we discuss them all the time. That is part of our learning process and it strengthens the offer that we have available.
Welsh: Ac rydym ni'n eu cymryd nhw o ddifrif. Un o'r pethau eraill rydym ni wedi ei wneud ydy bod gennym ni waith mewnol yn digwydd, y secret shopper, y mystery shopper, ac mae hynny'n digwydd gennym ni yma ar hyn o bryd, yn naturiol. Rydym ni'n cael y wybodaeth bob chwarter i mewn i'n fforwm iaith ni i drafod beth rydym ni'n ei ddysgu, ac, wrth gwrs, unwaith eto, rydym ni'n trio blaenoriaethu'r ardaloedd hynny lle rydym ni'n gwybod ein bod ni angen blaenoriaethu oherwydd mae yna gleifion bregus, neu os oes yna unrhyw sylwadau wedi cael eu gwneud. Wedyn, mae'r rheini'n dod i'r fei ac rydym ni'n eu trafod nhw trwy gydol yr amser. Mae o'n rhan o'n broses ddysgu ac mae'n cryfhau'r cynnig sydd gennym ni.
English: Sue, if you could respond on complaints and then we will have to move forward, because we're very short of time, unfortunately. So, if you could respond on the complaints and then we will move forward.
Welsh: Sue, os medrwch chi ateb ynglŷn â'r cwynion, ac wedyn bydd rhaid inni symud ymlaen, achos rydym ni'n brin iawn o amser, yn anffodus. So, os ydych chi'n gallu ateb am y cwynion, ac wedyn fe wnawn ni symud ymlaen.
English: From my perspective, I would say that we need both. You need the regulatory support, and one does see the value and benefits of the commissioner being responsible for that, where we are now, and the fact that there will be consistency moving forward. But we must also promote, and we must be clear as to who does what for the future. We have done some work here on ' defnyddiwch eich Cymraeg ' - 'use your Welsh' - which is something quite simple that's been implemented across north Wales, but it's important that there's national support available too. So, I think that both aspects are important: regulation and promotion. I don't see them as being separate. I see them as being interlinked, but we need to emphasise both. You can't do one without the other.
Welsh: O'm hochr i, buaswn i'n dweud bod angen y ddau. Mae angen y cymorth rheoleiddio fel petai, ac mae rhywun yn gweld gwerth a manteision y comisiynydd yn gyfrifol am hynny, a lle'r ydym ni rŵan, a'r ffaith y bydd yna gysondeb yn symud ymlaen. Ond mae'n rhaid inni hefyd fod yn hyrwyddo ac yn hybu, a rhaid inni fod yn glir pwy sy'n gwneud beth i'r dyfodol. Rydym ni fan hyn wedi gwneud gwaith ar 'defnyddiwch eich Cymraeg' - rhywbeth syml ar draws gogledd Cymru, ond mae'n bwysig bod yna gymorth cenedlaethol hefyd wedyn. Rydw i'n meddwl bod y ddau ran yn bwysig: rheoleiddio, a hefyd hybu a hyrwyddo. Nid wyf yn eu gweld nhw ar wahân. Rydw i'n gweld y ddau ynghlwm, ond mae angen pwyslais ar y ddau. Allwch chi ddim gwneud un heb y llall.
English: Well, as Sue has already said, this is a jigsaw and a journey. It is early days for us in terms of the standards, but we have done the preparatory work. We have a strong strategy. We've been moving in this direction throughout the work already. We provide feedback and updates to one of the committees of the health board, and then they're clear as well that we are on this journey moving forward. Then, in terms of our strategy, it is a strategic process to ensure that we are successful in offering the right services in the future. We have seen a difference already. We don't see this as any problem in terms of the strategy. The strategy comes to an end, as you said, in 2019. There'll be an opportunity for us then to revisit it. We have an officer who is looking at complying with this standard already, and then everything has been done to try and bring these processes together. So, I don't see there's too much of a risk currently, but there is a challenge facing us, certainly.
Welsh: Wel, fel mae Sue wedi dweud yn barod, jig-so a siwrnai ydy hyn. Mae'n ddyddiau cynnar i ni o ran y safonau, ond rydym ni wedi gwneud y gwaith paratoi. Mae gennym ni strategaeth gref. Rydym ni wedi bod yn symud i'r cyfeiriad yma trwy gydol y gwaith yn barod. Rydym ni'n rhoi adborth a diweddariadau i un o bwyllgorau'r bwrdd iechyd, ac wedyn maen nhw'n glir hefyd ein bod ni ar y siwrnai yma yn symud ymlaen. Wedyn, o ran ein strategaeth ni, proses strategol ydy hynny i wneud yn siŵr ein bod ni yn llwyddiannus yn cynnig y gwasanaethau iawn yn y dyfodol. Rydym ni wedi gweld gwahaniaeth yn barod. Nid ydym ni'n gweld hyn fel unrhyw broblem o ran y strategaeth. Mae'r strategaeth yn gorffen beth bynnag, fel rydych chi'n dweud, yn 2019. Mi fydd cyfle inni rŵan ailedrych. Mae gennym ni swyddog sydd yn edrych ar gydymffurfio efo'r safonau yn barod. Wedyn, mae popeth wedi cael ei wneud i drio asio'r prosesau efo'i gilydd. Wedyn, nid ydw i'n gweld gormod o risg ar hyn o bryd, ond mae yna her o'm blaenau ni, yn bendant.
English: In my view, there's a need to promote and regulate. As a health board, we will do whatever's necessary to provide the best service for our population, and of course we are trying to do that bilingually in moving forward. We will work in whatever way that's required. There's an opportunity to have one contact point - I can see that that is something that is beneficial in the future - but, again, I see an opportunity to have a discussion about regulation in one place and promotion in another, and that's another dimension. I think there are opportunities for us to work positively, whatever, really, is the future. The important thing is that we are moving forward consistently across Wales, so that patients can have the same service right across the patch. And that is a challenge for us, because of the staff and their language skills, and also to ensure that everybody is aware of the importance.
Welsh: I fi, mae angen hybu a rheoleiddio. Fel bwrdd iechyd, mi fyddwn ni'n gwneud beth bynnag sydd ei angen er mwyn cynnig y gwasanaeth gorau i'n poblogaeth ni, ac wrth gwrs rydym ni yn trio gwneud hynny'n hollol ddwyieithog wrth symud ymlaen. Mi wnawn ni weithio pa bynnag ffordd sydd ei hangen. Mae yna gyfle i gael un pwynt cyswllt - medraf i weld bod hynny'n rhywbeth o fudd i'r dyfodol - ond, eto, rydw i'n gweld cyfle i gael sgwrs am reoleiddio mewn un lle a sgwrs am hybu a hyrwyddo mewn dimensiwn arall. Wedyn, rydw i'n gweld bod yna gyfleoedd i ni weithio'n bositif, beth bynnag, mewn ffordd, ydy'r dyfodol. Y peth pwysig ydy ein bod ni'n symud ymlaen yn gyson ar draws Cymru, fel bod y cleifion yn gallu cael y gwasanaeth yr un fath reit ar draws y patsh gennym ni. Ac mae yna her yn fanna i ni, oherwydd y staff a'u gallu ieithyddol nhw, ond hefyd o ran gwneud yn siŵr bod pawb yn ymwybodol o'r pwysigrwydd.
English: I think there is a good relationship. I know that my Welsh language team meet on a regular basis with the commissioner's group, and I think the dialogue is good, and there's an opportunity to discuss issues. Certainly, I've been in a meeting before Christmas because of the standards, and just talking them through. I think there is a good relationship. Perhaps promotion hasn't been such a big part of the commissioner's role in the past, but certainly we have a good relationship, I would say, as a health board, and we appreciate that.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl bod yna berthynas dda. Rydw i'n gwybod bod fy nhîm iaith Gymraeg i yn cwrdd yn aml efo grŵp y comisiynydd, ac rydw i'n meddwl bod y deialog yn dda a bod yna gyfle i drafod materion. Rydw i'n bendant wedi bod mewn un cyfarfod cyn y Nadolig oherwydd y safonau, a jest eu trafod nhw drwodd. Rydw i'n meddwl bod yna berthynas dda. Hwyrach, nid ydy hybu a hyrwyddo wedi bod yn rhan mor fawr o rôl y comisiynydd yn y gorffennol, ond, yn bendant, mae gennym ni berthynas dda, buaswn i'n dweud, fel bwrdd iechyd, ac rydym ni'n gwerthfawrogi hynny.
English: Would a commission be different, Teresa? A commission instead of a commissioner - what about that argument?
Welsh: A fyddai comisiwn yn wahanol, Teresa? Comisiwn yn lle comisiynydd - beth am y ddadl hynny?
English: Well, I can see that there would be a single point of contact for everything for the future, but, as I say, I believe promotion is as important as regulation. As I've said, as a health board we will do whatever is necessary. So, in a way, that's an issue for others. What we wouldn't want to lose is the good relationship that we have and the opportunities to discuss the work at a local level and to learn from a national system. There are strengths in every sector, and what's important is that we share good practice and that we learn from each other and help each other to strengthen the situation across Wales.
Welsh: Wel, medraf i weld y byddai un pwynt cyswllt ar gyfer pob peth i'r dyfodol, ond fel rydw i'n dweud, rydw i'n gweld bod hybu a hyrwyddo mor bwysig ag ydy rheoliadau. Fel rydw i'n dweud, fel bwrdd iechyd mi fyddwn ni'n gwneud beth bynnag sydd angen i ni ei wneud. Wedyn, mewn ffordd, mater i eraill, hwyrach, ydy hynny. Beth fuasem ni ddim eisiau ei golli ydy'r berthynas dda sydd gennym ni a'r cyfleoedd i drafod y gwaith lleol a dysgu gan system genedlaethol. Mae yna gryfderau ymhob un o'r sectorau, a beth sy'n bwysig ydy ein bod ni'n rhannu gwaith da, practis da, a'n bod ni'n dysgu o'n gilydd ac yn helpu ein gilydd i gryfhau ar draws Cymru.
English: Moving on to the final question now, on the international perspective.
Welsh: Rŷm ni'n symud ymlaen at y cwestiwn olaf nawr, ar y system ryngwladol.
English: From our perspective here in north Wales and across Wales, I know that there are links with Canada, as has already been discussed, and certainly the concept of the active offer, as I understand it, came from Canada. That's where it emerged initially. I think there's an opportunity for us to look at the workforce as a result of work that's been done in Canada because in the health human resources strategy that they have, they have a bilingual skills strategy, and I think there's an opportunity for us to learn from that. I know that, across north Wales, we have a number of staff who have come from far afield, and they have learnt Welsh and they can speak Welsh quite naturally now with our patients. We are constantly learning from them, but recently there has been some discussion with a doctor from the Basque Country. So, we are willing to learn from wherever possible in order to improve our services. It doesn't matter to us. and I think there are excellent opportunities for us to learn from other nations in order to see what we can do, and we will continue to do that in moving to the future.
Welsh: O'n rhan ni yma yng ngogledd Cymru ac ar draws Cymru, rydw i'n gwybod bod yna gyswllt yna gyda Chanada fel cafodd ei drafod cynt, ac yn bendant mi ddaeth y cysyniad o'r cynnig rhagweithiol, fel rydw i'n ei ddeall, o Ganada. O'r fanna y daru o ddeillio, fel petai. Rydw i'n meddwl bod yna gyfle inni edrych ar y gweithlu oherwydd gwaith sydd wedi cael ei wneud yng Nghanada, oherwydd bod strategaeth ganddyn nhw, yr health human resources, fel rydw i'n ei ddeall, ac mae ganddyn nhw strategaeth sgiliau dwyieithog, ac rydw i'n meddwl bod yna gyfle inni ddysgu o fanna. Rydw i'n gwybod, o fan hyn, ar draws gogledd Cymru, mae gennym ni nifer o staff sydd wedi dod o lefydd pell iawn, ac maen nhw wedi dysgu ac maen nhw'n gallu siarad Cymraeg yn hollol naturiol erbyn hyn gyda'n cleifion ni. Rydym ni'n dysgu o hyd gyda nhw, ond yn ddiweddar mae yna sgwrs wedi bod efo meddyg o Wlad y Basg eto. Wedyn, rydym ni'n fodlon dysgu o le bynnag sy'n bosibl i wella ein gwasanaethau ni. Nid ydyw o o bwys gennym ni, ac rydw i'n meddwl bod yna gyfleoedd arbennig gennym ni i ddysgu gan wledydd eraill i weld beth fedrwn ni ei wneud, a byddwn ni'n dal i wneud hynny wrth symud ymlaen.
English: I will learn from wherever I can. I just want the best for everybody. So, if there is an opportunity, that's excellent. I would appreciate that.
Welsh: Mi ddysgaf i o ble bynnag fedraf i. Y gorau rydw i eisiau i bawb. Wedyn, os oes yna gyfle, gwych. Mi fuaswn i'n gwerthfawrogi hynny.
English: Thank you very much, and apologies again for the problems with the sound and the interpretation. If there are any additional questions we need to ask, as a result of the lack of time, we will write to you, but thank you again for your contributions here today.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn ichi, ac ymddiheuriadau unwaith eto am y problemau gyda'r sain a'r cyfieithiadau. Os oes yna gwestiynau ychwanegol gennym i'w gofyn, oherwydd y diffyg amser, byddwn ni'n ysgrifennu atoch chi, ond diolch eto am eich cyfraniadau yma heddiw.
English: We now need to take a break of five minutes, just to ensure that the next session, which is using the same kind of technology, will work. Thank you very much.
Welsh: Mae angen inni gymryd seibiant o bum munud, jest i sicrhau bod y sesiwn nesaf sydd yn defnyddio'r un fath o dechnoleg yn gallu gweithio. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: Thank you, and welcome to item 4 on the agenda here today, supporting and promoting the Welsh language: an inquiry into the legislative, policy and wider context, we now have witnesses here today who are going to give an international perspective on what is happening in terms of the language. So, if it's okay with you - as a result of the fact that I don't want to have any political and diplomatic problems in terms of how I pronounce your names - could you please introduce yourselves for the record for us here today, starting with Rónán ?
Welsh: Diolch, a chroeso i eitem 4 ar yr agenda yma heddiw, cefnogi a hybu'r Gymraeg: ymchwiliad i'r cyd-destun deddfwriaethol, ac mae gennym dystion yma heddiw sydd yn mynd i roi persbectif rhyngwladol inni ar yr hyn sydd yn digwydd o ran yr iaith. Felly, os yw'n iawn gyda chi - yn sgil y ffaith nad wyf i eisiau problemau diplomyddol a gwleidyddol ar sut rydw i'n dweud eich henwau - a fedrwch chi gyflwyno eich hunain ar gyfer y record inni yma heddiw, gan ddechrau gyda Rónán?
English: Good morning and thank you very much for the invitation to participate in today's meeting.
Welsh: Bore da a diolch yn fawr iawn am y gwahoddiad i gyfranogi heddiw.
English: I am a learner of Welsh and a slow learner at that.
Welsh: Dysgwr Cymraeg ydw i, dysgwr araf.
English: Thank you very much. It's great to see that you are learning. Thank you very much. We are going to have a series of questions now on the basis of different themes. So, if it's okay with you, we'll go straight into questions from Assembly Members, and we'll start with Dai Lloyd, Assembly Member. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Mae'n dda iawn gweld eich bod chi'n dysgu. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydym ni'n mynd i gael cyfres o gwestiynau ar sail themâu gwahanol. Felly, os yw'n iawn gyda chi, awn ni'n syth i mewn i gwestiynau gan Aelodau Cynulliad gwahanol, yn cychwyn gyda Dai Lloyd, Aelod Cynulliad. Diolch.
English: Thank you, Chair. Naturally, we're talking about the 2011 Welsh language Measure, not just in the context of Wales and the rights of minority language speakers here, but, just as the Chair has mentioned already, within the international context of experiences that are similar. So, the first question is, perhaps first to Professor Robert Dunbar, on the general impact of the Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011 on Welsh speakers' rights. Can you talk about the aspects that have been positive in your view and perhaps other aspects that have been less positive? And I'll then go on to talk about the international experience. But, if you can just talk first of all about Wales's 2011 Measure. Robert.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Cadeirydd. Yn naturiol, rydym ni'n sôn am Fesur Cymraeg 2011, nid jest yng nghyd-destun Cymru a hawliau siaradwyr iaith leiafrifol yn y fan hyn, ond, wrth gwrs, fel mae'r Cadeirydd wedi crybwyll eisoes, o fewn y cyd-destun rhyngwladol o brofiadau tebyg. Felly, y cwestiwn cyntaf, efallai i'r Athro Robert Dunbar, ydy effaith gyffredinol Mesur y Gymraeg (Cymru) 2011 ar yr hawliau i siaradwyr Cymraeg ydy eu bod nhw yn - . A allwch chi sôn am yr agweddau sydd wedi bod yn gadarnhaol yn eich tyb chi ac efallai agweddau eraill sydd wedi bod yn llai cadarnhaol? Ac mi wnaf i sôn wedyn ynglŷn â'r profiad rhyngwladol. Ond, os medrir sôn yn gyntaf jest am Fesur Cymru 2011. Robert.
English: Thank you. Could we ensure, as there are three people providing evidence, that we're not taking too long in terms of questions and responses? If you'd like to respond as well, that would be of assistance.
Welsh: Diolch. Os ydym ni'n gallu sicrhau - mae yna dri pherson yn rhoi tystiolaeth - nad ydyn ni'n rhy hir, os yw hynny'n iawn, o ran cwestiynau ac atebion, ond os ydych chi eisiau ateb hefyd, byddai hynny'n helpu.
English: Thank you. Diarmait, just to finish on this point, before we move on.
Welsh: Diolch. Diarmait, jest i orffen ar y cwestiwn yma, cyn inni symud ymlaen.