English: We're having this debate today because we are coming out of the EU and we need to work out what kind of Brexit we actually want, in particular, what kind of immigration policy we want. Our motion talks about a firm but fair system of immigration, it notes the Bank of England's paper on the impact of immigration on wages and it looks at the issue of balancing immigration and emigration as a medium-term aim. There are many amendments to our motion that have come from the other parties and my colleague David Rowlands has just looked at the Conservative ones. Now, to some extent, the Labour and Plaid Cymru positions on this subject were laid out in their joint document, 'Securing Wales' Future', which they brought out earlier this year. So, we can look to that for some detail of the immigration policies that they propose, which are also reflected in their amendments today. Some of the points raised in their joint paper are quite interesting in themselves. For instance, the document states that an additional 100,000 construction workers are estimated to be needed in the UK by 2020. I note that there are lots of unemployed young people in the former industrial areas of Wales. I would say this skills shortage, combined with our latent labour force, could provide a perfect opportunity to reinvigorate apprenticeships and relieve the problem of NEETs - young people not in education, employment or training. It could, in other words, be an opportunity rather than a problem. Some of the skills shortages highlighted in their joint paper are decidedly odd. For instance, 50 per cent of vets are from outside the UK, yet we are traditionally a nation of animal lovers, so why aren't we able to train our own vets? The basic premise that Labour and Plaid are highlighting - [Interruption.] Well, why aren't we? Vets are one example - there are many others. Why aren't we able to do that? [Interruption.] Okay. The basic premise that Labour and Plaid are highlighting in their document is a skills shortage. The worry they are trying to perpetuate is that a so-called hard Brexit would harm businesses' access to skills, yet the vast majority of EU migrants who come to the UK come to fill low-skilled jobs. So, it is not actually businesses' access to skills that is likely to be affected so much as their access to cheap labour. It is sometimes curious to note that the Labour Party is worried about businesses being able to access cheap labour since they normally portray themselves as the party that wants to raise wages. Yet, in their position on migration, they actually position themselves in such a way as to become a party that effectively wants to keep wages down. Plaid, of course, have signed up to many of the same positions as Labour. There is an argument advanced by Labour and Plaid, in their document, that, post Brexit, we should not have the same freedom of movement of workers that we have now, but we should have a different system, and this will be related to jobs or offers of jobs, as the First Minister has explained to us in the Chamber. Well, when we look at the actual wording of the Labour/Plaid Cymru document, it is decidedly vague on this point of the job offer. I quote: 'This might involve the prior offer of a job or the ability to secure an offer within a short time of arrival in the country'. End of quote. [Interruption.] I haven't got time, Simon.
Welsh: Rydym yn cael y ddadl hon heddiw oherwydd ein bod yn dod allan o'r UE ac mae angen i ni ddarganfod pa fath o Brexit rydym ei eisiau mewn gwirionedd, yn arbennig, pa fath o bolisi mewnfudo rydym ei eisiau. Mae ein cynnig yn sôn am system fewnfudo gadarn ond teg, mae'n nodi papur Banc Lloegr ar effaith mewnfudo ar gyflogau ac mae'n edrych ar sicrhau cydbwysedd rhwng mewnfudo ac allfudo fel nod ar gyfer y tymor canolig. Mae yna nifer o welliannau wedi dod i'n cynnig gan y pleidiau eraill ac mae fy nghyd-Aelod David Rowlands wedi edrych ar rai'r Ceidwadwyr. Nawr, i ryw raddau, nodwyd safbwyntiau Llafur a Phlaid Cymru ar y pwnc hwn yn eu dogfen ar y cyd, 'Diogelu Dyfodol Cymru', a gyhoeddwyd ganddynt yn gynharach eleni. Felly, gallwn edrych ar hwnnw i weld rhai o'r manylion am y polisïau mewnfudo y maent yn eu cynnig, ac a adlewyrchwyd hefyd yn eu gwelliannau heddiw. Mae rhai o'r pwyntiau yn eu papur ar y cyd yn eithaf diddorol ynddynt eu hunain. Er enghraifft, mae'r ddogfen yn datgan y bydd angen oddeutu 100,000 o weithwyr adeiladu ychwanegol yn y DU erbyn 2020. Nodaf fod yna lawer o bobl ifanc ddi-waith yn hen ardaloedd diwydiannol Cymru. Byddwn yn dweud y gallai prinder sgiliau o'r fath, ynghyd â'n gweithlu cudd, roi cyfle perffaith i ailfywiogi prentisiaethau a lleddfu problem pobl NEET - pobl ifanc nad ydynt mewn addysg, cyflogaeth na hyfforddiant. Mewn geiriau eraill, gallai fod yn gyfle yn hytrach na phroblem. Mae rhai o'r sgiliau prin a amlygwyd yn eu papur ar y cyd yn ddiamheuol ryfedd. Er enghraifft, daw 50 y cant o filfeddygon o'r tu allan i'r DU, ac eto rydym yn draddodiadol yn genedl hoff o anifeiliaid, felly pam nad ydym yn gallu hyfforddi ein milfeddygon ein hunain? Mae'r cynsail sylfaenol y mae'r Blaid Lafur a Phlaid Cymru yn ei amlygu - [Torri ar draws.] Wel, pam nad ydym? Un enghraifft yw milfeddygon - mae sawl un arall. Pam na allwn wneud hynny? [Torri ar draws.] Iawn. Y cynsail sylfaenol y mae'r Blaid Lafur a Phlaid Cymru yn ei amlygu yn eu dogfen yw prinder sgiliau. Y pryder y maent yn ceisio ei barhau yw y byddai'r hyn a elwir yn Brexit caled yn niweidio mynediad busnesau at sgiliau, ac eto mae'r mwyafrif helaeth o ymfudwyr o'r UE sy'n dod i'r DU yn dod i lenwi swyddi heb lawer o sgiliau. Felly, nid mynediad busnesau at sgiliau sy'n debygol o gael eu heffeithio mewn gwirionedd yn gymaint â'u mynediad at lafur rhad. Weithiau mae'n rhyfedd nodi bod y Blaid Lafur yn poeni am fusnesau'n gallu cael mynediad at lafur rhad gan eu bod fel arfer yn portreadu eu hunain fel y blaid sydd am godi cyflogau. Eto i gyd, yn eu safbwynt ar fewnfudo, maent yn arddel safbwyntiau sy'n eu gwneud yn blaid sydd am gadw cyflogau i lawr i bob pwrpas. Mae Plaid Cymru, wrth gwrs, wedi cytuno â llawer o'r un safbwyntiau â Llafur. Ceir dadl a hyrwyddir gan Lafur a Phlaid Cymru, yn eu dogfen, na ddylem gael yr un rhyddid i symud ar ôl Brexit ag sydd gennym yn awr, ond dylem gael system wahanol, a bydd y system honno'n gysylltiedig â swyddi neu gynigion o swyddi, fel yr eglurodd y Prif Weinidog wrthym yn y Siambr. Wel, pan edrychwn ar union eiriad y ddogfen Lafur/Plaid Cymru, mae'n sicr yn amwys ar y pwynt sy'n ymwneud â chynnig swydd. Dyfynnaf: 'Gallai hynny olygu cynnig swydd o flaen llaw neu'r gallu i sicrhau cynnig o fewn cyfnod byr i gyrraedd i'r wlad.' Diwedd y dyfyniad. [Torri ar draws.] Nid oes gennyf amser, Simon.