English: Can I echo the thanks that other committee members have extended to witnesses who came and gave evidence to the committee? It was an interesting inquiry. I hope and believe its conclusions were useful, and I welcome the approach that the Cabinet Secretary has taken to the recommendations made in it. It's always good to participate in a debate on buses to which the Cabinet Secretary's responding because I know he's a committed and enthusiastic supporter of the bus industry sector in Wales. The bus services summit that he convened I think was welcomed by all parts of the sector. He will recall the discussions we had about the Neath area economic forum report, which I presented to him and Cabinet colleagues earlier in the year, one of the asks in which, if you like, was for a new deal for bus users, and I think the question of the impact of traffic congestion on the bus service is a vital component in offering that new deal. It's vital that we recognise the adverse effects on our bus service of that level of congestion. As Jenny Rathbone and others have indicated, you can't really expect people to use buses if they're not moving fast enough. There's a vicious circle and cycle that is created by that, and yet our current model requires us to make sure that buses are as full of paying passengers as they can be. My constituency has a number of areas, as with other Members in this Chamber, that are very poorly served by bus services because, in a sense, they're caught in that no-man's-land between local bus services not being commercially viable on the one hand and there not being adequate levels of subsidy on the other hand to deliver a publicly subsidised service. So, that challenge between profitability and public subsidy is inherent in our current system, and indicates clearly to me and to other Members that it doesn't work on the current model, if you like - the current business model. But I have one plea, really, to the Cabinet Secretary, and I know I'm absolutely pushing at an open door here, which is to see the question of bus congestion as part of a much larger whole, really. What's required here is obviously a solution to bus congestion, but also a strategic view of a number of factors that are at play in delivering to my constituents and other constituents the kind of bus service that they need and deserve, quite honestly. This'll take us down the road of technology and bus priority and planning issues, which are well aired and well explored in the report. But we also need to look at whether the bus service support grant, the local transport fund, the local transport network fund, and the investment that local authorities themselves make in bus routes, are being best deployed at the moment in pursuit of the Government's objectives here - and, of course, the role of bus operators in choosing the right kind of fleet, and a green fleet. We recognise that bus transport is a more environmentally friendly option than car travel, but actually that continues to be the case only if the quality of fleet is maintained and is improved and it becomes the most environmentally friendly fleet that can be supported by the model. There are many perverse incentives in the current system that are very well understood, so really it's a plea to find a joined-up solution to a number of related challenges, and to look at it from a strategic perspective.
Welsh: A gaf fi adleisio diolch aelodau eraill o'r pwyllgor i dystion a ddaeth i roi tystiolaeth i'r pwyllgor? Roedd yn ymchwiliad diddorol. Rwy'n gobeithio ac yn credu bod ei gasgliadau wedi bod yn ddefnyddiol, ac rwy'n croesawu'r ffordd y mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet wedi mynd i'r afael â'r argymhellion a wnaed ynddo. Mae bob amser yn dda cael cymryd rhan mewn trafodaeth ar fysiau lle y mae Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet yn ymateb iddi oherwydd gwn ei fod yn gefnogwr ymroddedig a brwd i'r sector diwydiant bysiau yng Nghymru. Credaf fod yr uwchgynhadledd fysiau a gynhaliwyd ganddo wedi cael ei chroesawu gan bob rhan o'r sector. Bydd yn cofio'r trafodaethau a gawsom am adroddiad fforwm economaidd ardal Castell-nedd, a gyflwynais iddo ef a chyd-Aelodau o'r Cabinet yn gynharach yn y flwyddyn, ac un o'r pethau y gofynnai'r adroddiad amdanynt, os hoffech, oedd bargen newydd i ddefnyddwyr bysiau, ac rwy'n credu bod y cwestiwn ynglŷn ag effaith tagfeydd traffig ar wasanaethau bysiau yn elfen hanfodol wrth gynnig y fargen newydd honno. Mae'n hanfodol ein bod yn cydnabod effeithiau andwyol y lefel honno o dagfeydd ar ein gwasanaethau bysiau. Fel y mae Jenny Rathbone ac eraill wedi'i nodi, ni allwch ddisgwyl i bobl ddefnyddio bysiau os nad ydynt yn symud yn ddigon cyflym. Mae hynny'n creu cylch dieflig, ac eto mae ein model cyfredol yn gofyn i ni wneud yn siŵr fod bysiau mor llawn o deithwyr sy'n talu ag y gallant fod. Mae nifer o ardaloedd yn fy etholaeth, fel Aelodau eraill yn y Siambr hon, heb wasanaeth bws da o gwbl oherwydd, ar un ystyr, maent wedi'u dal yn nhir neb rhwng gwasanaethau bws lleol nad ydynt yn fasnachol hyfyw ar y naill law a'r ffaith nad oes lefelau digonol o gymhorthdal i ddarparu gwasanaeth cyhoeddus â chymhorthdal ar y llaw arall. Felly, mae'r her honno rhwng proffidioldeb a chymhorthdal cyhoeddus yn rhan annatod o'n system gyfredol, ac yn dangos yn glir i mi ac i Aelodau eraill nad yw'n gweithio ar y model cyfredol, os mynnwch - y model busnes cyfredol. Ond mae gennyf un apêl, a dweud y gwir, i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, a gwn fy mod yn gwthio wrth ddrws agored yma yn bendant, sef i edrych ar fater tagfeydd bws fel rhan o fater llawer mwy mewn gwirionedd. Mae'n amlwg mai'r hyn sydd ei angen yma yw ateb i dagfeydd bws, ond hefyd mae angen golwg strategol ar nifer o ffactorau sydd ar waith wrth gyflwyno'r math o wasanaeth bysiau y mae fy etholwyr ac etholwyr eraill ei angen ac yn ei haeddu, a bod yn gwbl onest. Bydd hyn yn ein tywys ar hyd llwybr technoleg a blaenoriaethu bysiau a materion cynllunio, sy'n cael eu trafod yn dda a'u harchwilio'n dda yn yr adroddiad. Ond mae angen i ni ystyried hefyd a yw'r grant cymorth gwasanaethau bws, y gronfa drafnidiaeth leol, y gronfa rhwydwaith trafnidiaeth leol, a'r buddsoddiad y mae awdurdodau lleol eu hunain yn ei wneud mewn llwybrau bysiau, yn cael eu defnyddio yn y ffordd orau ar hyn o bryd wrth fynd ar drywydd amcanion y Llywodraeth yn hyn o beth - ac wrth gwrs, rôl gweithredwyr bysiau'n dewis y math cywir o fflyd, a fflyd werdd. Rydym yn cydnabod bod trafnidiaeth fysiau'n ddewis mwy ecogyfeillgar na theithio mewn car, ond mewn gwirionedd nid yw hynny ond yn parhau'n wir os yw ansawdd y fflyd yn cael ei gynnal a'i wella, ac mai dyna'r fflyd fwyaf ecogyfeillgar y gall y model ei chynnal. Ceir llawer o gymhellion croes i'r graen yn y system gyfredol sydd wedi eu deall yn dda iawn, felly mewn gwirionedd apêl yw hon i ddod o hyd i ateb cydgysylltiedig i nifer o heriau cysylltiedig, ac i edrych ar y peth o safbwynt strategol.