English: Well, it is a previous assessment that has been undertaken, and I'm happy to speak to you outside the Chamber about that. But that assessment is done, where 25 per cent of tolls were removed immediately - sorry, the 25 per cent - . The traffic would increase by 25 per cent if tolls were removed immediately. It's certainly my view that a traffic assessment - a wider traffic assessment - would need to be undertaken to assess the ability of the surrounding transport system to deal with a significant increase in traffic volumes. The M4, of course, is regularly faced with congestion and tailbacks, as we are all aware, particularly at times of sporting events. This, of course, is not only frustrating to motorists, but of course there is an issue here of trunk roads being less safe as well at those particular times. The M4 around Newport is some way off, and congestion is still likely to increase in the coming years, so I think there are wider issues that we need to keep in mind here as well. In assessing the merits of the removal of the Severn bridge tolls, it is also essential that the bridges are not allowed to fall into disrepair. Provision, I think, needs to be made for ongoing operation and maintenance costs. We also need to address the approximately £63 million from the public purse for the latest defects as well on the crossing, which will need to be addressed. I heard Mark Reckless's comments and calculations, and I take those on board as well. I'm happy to study those myself. I have heard the word often being used that the tolls are a 'cash cow', but I would say that what we do have to remember is that these tolls - the funding from the tolls - have been used for repair works, rather than from the wider public purse as well, but the removal of the tolls has the real potential, I think, to support motorists, provide significant investment in Wales, improve our infrastructure, and encourage economic growth as well, and I support the aim to remove the burden of tolls, but we do need, I think, to find the right balance between bridge maintenance, infrastructure investment and support for motorists. It's crucial that all those factors are taken into account.
Welsh: Wel, mae'n asesiad blaenorol a wnaed, ac rwy'n hapus i i siarad â chi y tu allan i'r Siambr ynglŷn â hynny. Ond mae'r asesiad hwnnw wedi ei wneud, lle y cafodd 25 y cant o'r tollau eu diddymu ar unwaith - mae'n ddrwg gennyf, y 25 y cant - . Byddai'r traffig yn cynyddu 25 y cant pe bai'r tollau'n cael eu diddymu ar unwaith. Yn sicr, yn fy marn i, byddai angen cynnal asesiad traffig - asesiad o'r traffig ehangach - i asesu gallu'r system drafnidiaeth o amgylch i ymdopi â chynnydd sylweddol ym maint y traffig. Mae'r M4, wrth gwrs, yn wynebu tagfeydd a chiwiau rheolaidd, fel rydym i gyd yn ymwybodol, yn enwedig pan gynhelir digwyddiadau chwaraeon. Mae hyn, wrth gwrs, nid yn unig yn rhwystredig i fodurwyr, ond wrth gwrs mae problem yma hefyd gyda chefnffyrdd yn llai diogel ar yr adegau hynny. Mae'r M4 o amgylch Casnewydd beth amser i ffwrdd, ac mae'r tagfeydd yn dal i fod yn debygol o gynyddu yn y blynyddoedd i ddod, felly rwy'n meddwl bod yna faterion ehangach y mae angen i ni eu cadw mewn cof yma hefyd. Wrth asesu rhinweddau cael gwared ar dollau pont Hafren, mae hefyd yn hanfodol na chaniateir i'r pontydd ddadfeilio. Rwy'n meddwl bod angen darparu ar gyfer costau gweithredu a chynnal a chadw parhaus. Mae angen i ni hefyd fynd i'r afael â'r oddeutu £63 miliwn o'r pwrs cyhoeddus ar gyfer y diffygion diweddaraf hefyd ar y groesfan y bydd angen rhoi sylw iddynt. Clywais sylwadau a chyfrifiadau Mark Reckless, ac rwy'n ystyried y rheini'n ogystal. Rwy'n hapus i astudio'r rheini fy hun. Rwyf wedi clywed y disgrifiad yn cael ei ddefnyddio'n aml fod y tollau'n beiriant pres, ond byddwn yn dweud mai'r hyn sy'n rhaid i ni ei gofio yw bod y tollau hyn - yr arian o'r tollau - wedi cael eu defnyddio ar gyfer gwaith atgyweirio, yn hytrach nag o'r pwrs cyhoeddus ehangach yn ogystal, ond byddai potensial go iawn, rwy'n meddwl, o gael gwared ar y tollau i gefnogi modurwyr, darparu buddsoddiad sylweddol yng Nghymru, gwella ein seilwaith, ac annog twf economaidd hefyd, ac rwy'n cefnogi'r nod o gael gwared ar y baich tollau, ond rwy'n meddwl bod angen i ni ddod o hyd i'r cydbwysedd cywir rhwng cynnal a chadw pontydd, buddsoddi mewn seilwaith a chymorth i fodurwyr. Mae'n hanfodol fod yr holl ffactorau hynny'n cael eu hystyried.