English: Thank you very much, Rhys, if I may thank him, Deputy Presiding Officer, for bringing this debate forward today. And thank you also to Mike Hedges and Peter Fox for supporting this debate. Here, we have quite simply an issue of fundamental justice. Who should pay for the work of assessing and remedying these large buildings that are a threat to the health and safety of the people living there? Is it the residents, the tenants of owners, who should pay through an increase in their rents? Is it the leaseholders who bought the flats without knowing of the problems because those problems weren't yet known? Is it the owners of the buildings? What about us, the taxpayers, through the Government? Or is it those who initially constructed these buildings that should pay for this? Four years after the Grenfell tragedy, we are still grappling with this question. Now, unfortunately, the greed and selfishness of some means that they aren't willing to accept blame or responsibility for the significant problems that are a threat to people's health and lives. Today, hundreds if not thousands of people are suffering serious anxiety as they're concerned about the safety of their homes, or concerned as to how they can pay for the remedial actions when they have no blame in this situation. In addition to this, the Government has no clear data as to how many buildings exactly need work, never mind how many people are affected by this. But in terms of the details of any legislation to tackle the issue of the safety of cladding, it's worth noting that there are no statutory measures to assess external walls and cladding or a document to confirm the fire safety of a building as far as cladding is concerned. That doesn't exist at the moment. These are fundamental failings that the Government could tackle without having to rely on Westminster. It's regrettable that four years have passed since the Grenfell tragedy and that the Government hasn't brought a Bill before the Senedd as of yet, and that the Government is now reliant on Conservatives in Westminster to push it into action. Wales has the right to see its own legislation with the voice of Welsh stakeholders at the heart of the formulation of that legislation. That's why I support this proposal put forward by Rhys ab Owen today. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i ti, Rhys, os caf i, Ddirprwy Lywydd, ddiolch iddo fo am ddod â'r ddadl yma ger ein bron ni heddiw. Diolch hefyd, wrth gwrs, i Mike Hedges a Peter Fox am gefnogi'r ddadl. Mae gennym ni yma, yn syml, fater o gyfiawnder sylfaenol, onid oes? Pwy ddylai dalu am y gwaith o arbrofi ac ail-wneud yr adeiladau mawr yma sydd yn bygwth iechyd a diogelwch y bobl sy'n byw ynddyn nhw? Ai'r preswylwyr, y tenantiaid i berchnogion, ddylai dalu drwy gynnydd yn eu rhent? Ai'r deilwyr les, pobl a brynodd y fflatiau yn ddiarwybod o'r problemau cyn bod y problemau hynny'n dod yn hysbys? Ai perchnogion yr adeiladau? Beth amdanom ni drethdalwyr, drwy'r Llywodraeth? Ynteu ai'r rheini a adeiladodd yr adeiladau yn y lle cyntaf ddylai dalu am hyn? Bedair blynedd ar ôl trychineb Grenfell, rydyn ni'n dal i ymrafael â'r cwestiwn yma. Rŵan, yn anffodus, mae trachwant a hunanoldeb rhai yn golygu nad ydyn nhw'n fodlon cydnabod bai a chymryd cyfrifoldeb am y gwendidau sylweddol yma sydd yn bygwth iechyd a bywyd pobl. Heddiw, mae yna gannoedd os nad miloedd o bobl yn dioddef poen meddwl aruthrol wrth iddyn nhw feddwl am ddiogelwch eu cartrefi, neu wrth boeni am sut maen nhw am dalu'r gost o addasu eu cartrefi a hwythau heb fai o fath yn y byd am ganfod eu hunain yn y sefyllfa yma. Ar ben hyn, does gan y Llywodraeth ddim data clir am faint o adeiladau yn union sydd angen gweithio arnyn nhw, heb sôn am faint o bobl sy'n cael eu heffeithio. Ond o ran manylion unrhyw ddeddfwriaeth i fynd i'r afael â diogelwch cladin, mae'n werth nodi nad oes yna fesurau statudol i asesu system waliau allanol nac ychwaith ddogfen er mwyn cadarnhau diogelwch tân adeilad cyn belled ag y mae cladin yn y cwestiwn. Dydy hynny ddim yn bodoli ar hyn o bryd. Dyma fethiannau sylfaenol y gall y Llywodraeth fynd i'r afael â nhw heb orfod dibynnu ar San Steffan i'w hysgogi. Mae'n resyn bod yna bedair blynedd wedi mynd heibio ers trychineb Grenfell ac nad ydy'r Llywodraeth wedi dod â Bil gerbron y Senedd eto, a bod y Llywodraeth bellach yn dibynnu ar Geidwadwyr San Steffan i'w gwthio i weithredu. Mae gan Gymru'r hawl i weld ei deddfwriaeth ei hun efo llais rhanddeiliaid Cymreig yn ganolog i lunio'r ddeddfwriaeth honno. Dyna pam fy mod i'n cefnogi'r cynnig yma gan Rhys ab Owen heddiw. Diolch.