English: I would like to put on record that I believe that the Chair of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee has articulated in a very clear and passionate way the necessary regard we must pay to our fundamental liberties and rights despite the difficult time we're currently in, and, therefore, he very clearly enunciated my concerns about these ongoing regulations and the way that they're being handled and brought forward. These principal regulations are subject to constant amendment in a number of areas, because the Welsh Government put them on the face of the legislation rather than in the guidance, and that, I think, is acceptable. But it does mean that we, the Welsh Parliament, are always discussing the amendments after the event, and that is not in my view a wholly satisfactory situation. Properly scrutinising these regulations is vital, and although there is a need for Parliament to approve them in order for the regulations to be enforced for more than 28 days, it cannot be acceptable, for example, that these regulations were only brought before the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee on 18 May. In my view, this denies a clear scrutiny process, and whilst we're living in difficult times I would urge the Welsh Government to submit and allow themselves to submit to due scrutiny, and they must ensure that they do not allow the circumstances we're in to subvert that scrutiny. We need more clarity on both regulations and the guidance that accompanies them, because the current regulations are confusing and in many cases apparently contradictory. People don't know what they mean. I know that my inbox has a multitude of e-mails from constituents who are unclear as to the meaning behind the regulations. And I noted in today's answer by the First Minister to Carwyn Jones, who was trying to bring further clarity to the regulations, and he had to give that further clarity. Alun Davies also said that his constituents were seeking clarity, so I am not alone. I am pleased that the regulations place a requirement for a proportionality of restrictions, but I want to draw the Senedd's attention just to a couple of areas, so, for example to regulation 8, which is amended to allow reasonable exercise more than once a day. Now, here's an example of how unclear these regulations are: what is local? I note Welsh Government state there is no desire to define 'local', as there will be different meanings whether you're in Cardiff or in mid Wales. So, we have a situation where you can drive to your nearest golf course, which may be 30 minutes away, but you can only go fishing if you can walk or cycle there. And if you drive 10 minutes to a beach to surf on your own, socially distancing, you're reprimanded and possibly fined by the police. You can exercise from your own house in a crowded street with difficulty to get social distancing, but you can't drive for a couple of minutes to go to a common just up the mountain from where you live. You can now eat during a walk, but local authorities have blocked picnic spots, so again, a contradiction. All this is based on the science, we are told. 'It's the science' is Welsh Government's mantra, and rightly so, but how come, then, it is so vague and contradictory, and, as the police tell me, very hard to enforce? There are many other anomalies, other examples within these regulations of a lack of clarity, other areas that appear contradictory, and I don't have the time to go through them all. But suffice to say that the Welsh Conservatives will support amendment 2 to the health protection coronavirus restrictions regulations. We will, however, be abstaining on amendment 3 of the aforementioned regulations. And, Minister, I want to give you and the Welsh Government notice that we will not hesitate to vote against future amendments if the Welsh Government is unable, unwilling or incapable of improving the clarity of further amendments, and explaining the science and the social rationale behind these further changes to us and to our constituents, because we are indeed in difficult times, but we must always, always pay real heedance to people's rights to life, to liberty, to freedom of movement, and you've got to explain to us very clearly, because people are confused; they are worried; they are fearful they're breaking the law.
Welsh: Hoffwn gofnodi fy mod yn credu bod Cadeirydd y Pwyllgor Deddfwriaeth, Cyfiawnder a'r Cyfansoddiad wedi mynegi'n glir ac angerddol iawn y sylw angenrheidiol sy'n rhaid i ni ei roi i'n rhyddid a'n hawliau sylfaenol er gwaethaf y cyfnod anodd rydym ynddo ar hyn o bryd, ac felly, mae wedi datgan fy mhryderon ynghylch y rheoliadau parhaus hyn a'r ffordd y cânt eu trin a'u cyflwyno. Mae'r prif reoliadau hyn yn destun gwelliant cyson mewn nifer o feysydd am fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi eu rhoi ar wyneb y ddeddfwriaeth yn hytrach nag yn y canllawiau, a chredaf fod hynny'n dderbyniol. Ond mae'n golygu ein bod ni, Senedd Cymru, bob amser yn trafod y gwelliannau ar ôl iddynt ddigwydd, ac nid yw honno'n sefyllfa gwbl foddhaol yn fy marn i. Mae craffu'n iawn ar y rheoliadau hyn yn hollbwysig, ac er bod angen i'r Senedd eu cymeradwyo er mwyn i'r rheoliadau gael eu rhoi mewn grym am fwy na 28 diwrnod, ni all fod yn dderbyniol, er enghraifft, mai gerbron y Pwyllgor Deddfwriaeth, Cyfiawnder a'r Cyfansoddiad yn unig y cyflwynwyd y rheoliadau hyn ar 18 Mai. Yn fy marn i, mae hyn yn gwadu cyfle i gael proses graffu glir, ac er ein bod yn byw mewn cyfnod anodd byddwn yn annog Llywodraeth Cymru i adael i'w hunain fod yn ddarostyngedig i graffu priodol, a rhaid iddynt sicrhau nad ydynt yn caniatáu i'r amgylchiadau rydym ynddynt danseilio'r gwaith craffu hwnnw. Mae arnom angen mwy o eglurder ynglŷn â'r rheoliadau a'r canllawiau sy'n cyd-fynd â hwy, oherwydd mae'r rheoliadau presennol yn ddryslyd ac mewn llawer o achosion i'w gweld yn gwrthddweud eu hunain. Nid yw pobl yn gwybod beth y maent yn ei olygu. Rwy'n gwybod bod fy mlwch post yn cynnwys llu o negeseuon e-bost gan etholwyr nad ydynt yn glir ynglŷn â'r ystyr sy'n sail i'r rheoliadau. A sylwais heddiw yn yr ateb gan y Prif Weinidog i Carwyn Jones, a oedd yn ceisio sicrhau eglurder pellach ynglŷn â'r rheoliadau, a bu'n rhaid iddo roi'r eglurder ychwanegol hwnnw. Dywedodd Alun Davies hefyd fod ei etholwyr yn gofyn am eglurder, felly nid wyf ar fy mhen fy hun. Rwy'n falch fod y rheoliadau'n gosod gofyniad am gymesuredd i'r cyfyngiadau, ond rwyf am dynnu sylw'r Senedd at rai meysydd, felly, er enghraifft, rheoliad 8, sy'n cael ei ddiwygio i ganiatáu ymarfer corff rhesymol fwy nag unwaith y dydd. Nawr, dyma enghraifft o ba mor aneglur yw'r rheoliadau hyn: beth yw lleol? Nodaf fod Llywodraeth Cymru yn datgan nad oes unrhyw ddymuniad i ddiffinio 'lleol', gan y bydd gwahanol ystyron, yn dibynnu a ydych yng Nghaerdydd neu yng nghanolbarth Cymru. Felly, mae gennym sefyllfa lle gallwch yrru i'ch cwrs golff agosaf, a allai fod 30 munud i ffwrdd, ond ni chewch fynd i bysgota os na allwch gerdded neu feicio yno. Ac os ydych chi'n gyrru 10 munud i draeth i syrffio ar eich pen eich hun, gan gadw pellter cymdeithasol, fe gewch eich ceryddu a chael dirwy gan yr heddlu o bosibl. Gallwch ymarfer corff o'ch tŷ eich hun mewn stryd orlawn sy'n ei gwneud hi'n anodd cadw pellter cymdeithasol, ond ni chewch yrru am funud neu ddwy i fynd i dir comin i fyny'r mynydd o ble rydych chi'n byw. Gallwch fwyta tra'n cerdded erbyn hyn, ond mae awdurdodau lleol wedi atal mannau picnic rhag cael eu defnyddio, felly dyna anghysondeb arall. Mae hyn i gyd yn seiliedig ar y wyddoniaeth, dywedir wrthym. 'Dyna yw'r wyddoniaeth' yw mantra Llywodraeth Cymru, ac mae hynny'n iawn, ond sut felly ei fod mor amwys ac anghyson, ac fel y mae'r heddlu'n dweud wrthyf, yn anodd iawn ei orfodi? Ceir llawer o anghysonderau eraill, enghreifftiau eraill yn y rheoliadau o ddiffyg eglurder, meysydd eraill sy'n ymddangos yn anghyson, ac nid oes gennyf ddigon o amser i fynd drwyddynt i gyd. Ond digon yw dweud y bydd y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig yn cefnogi gwelliant 2 i gyfyngiadau coronafeirws y rheoliadau diogelu iechyd. Fodd bynnag, byddwn yn ymatal ar welliant 3 y rheoliadau y cyfeirir atynt uchod. Ac rwyf am eich rhybuddio chi a Llywodraeth Cymru, Weinidog, na fyddwn yn petruso rhag pleidleisio yn erbyn gwelliannau yn y dyfodol os nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn gallu neu'n barod i wella eglurder gwelliannau pellach, ac egluro'r rhesymeg wyddonol a chymdeithasol sy'n sail i'r newidiadau pellach hyn i ni ac i'n hetholwyr, oherwydd rydym mewn cyfnod anodd yn wir, ond mae'n rhaid i ni bob amser, bob amser, roi sylw iawn i hawliau pobl i fywyd, i ryddid, i ryddid i symud, ac mae angen i chi egluro i ni yn glir iawn, oherwydd mae pobl mewn penbleth; maent yn poeni; maent yn ofni eu bod yn torri'r gyfraith.