English: Nobody raises the issue of the UK not leaving the EU except those people who are Brexiters. There's no question of the UK not leaving the EU. It's going to happen. We know that. That argument has passed. That ship has sailed. It's a question now of working out how this happens. All we know is that the people of Wales voted to leave the EU. We know no detail beyond that. We don't really know what their position would be, for example, if there was a deal on the table that included some kind of partial free movement of people, as long as it involved access to the single market. We just don't know. So, we are in a position of having to craft possibilities that are in the best interests of the people of Wales. The reality, for me, is that tariff-free access to the single market is the single most important issue. That is the single most important issue. It is also right to say that that involves accepting, at least in part, the free movement of people. Well, if that is the case, then that has to be looked at, I'm afraid, because access to the single market is the most important issue. There are examples in other countries where there is a modification of the system of free movement. What we do know, what we can read into the result, I believe, in June, is that people weren't happy with the current system of freedom of movement. Beyond that, we don't know what their acceptance would be of any modification of that system. I put forward a six-point plan in June. I still don't have a plan from the UK Government. I still don't know what their plan is, I still don't know what their priorities are, and I still don't know what the negotiating strategy is. Now, he met with David Davis. He may have said something different to him than he said to me, but every single question I put to David Davis was met with the answer, 'It'll be fine.' I said, 'What about the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic?' 'It'll be fine.' Well, it's not fine, and Arlene Foster has the great problem now of having a situation where she will have a border with a country with a different immigration policy and that potentially is outside of the customs union as well. It is impossible not to have a hard border in those circumstances, and these are issues that, so far, have just been buried in the sand at UK level and will need to be resolved. I think the Prime Minister wants to have a sensible approach to this. I think she does. I think this is the reason why she took the view she did before the referendum. But there are others around her who don't. Liam Fox, Peter Lilley - these are people who have said, 'What we need is a situation where service industries have access to other countries in order to allow their manufactured goods to come into the UK.' That is a recipe to destroy UK manufacturing, and that is not what people voted for. For me, it's hugely important that we're in a position where we can access the European single market - that much is true - but I will not accept anything that would lead to manufacturing being undermined in Wales. He's talked of free trade agreements - we must tread carefully there. Does he want a free trade agreement with New Zealand? Because what that would mean is the end of the quotas and the tariffs on lamb, with the free flow of lamb into the UK. So, we have to be very, very careful of what a free trade agreement actually means, and examine very carefully what the details are. That is why it will take many, many years for free trade agreements to be negotiated. There's no way that free trade agreements will be negotiated within two years - it's impossible. The deal with Canada took seven years just to negotiate. Then there's the question of agreement from the UK Parliament, from two regional parliaments in Belgium, member states - one of which has already said it would agree to nothing without co-sovereignty over Gibraltar. All these issues have to be resolved. None of this is easy. They have to be resolved, I know that, but to think that this is an easy option, that is far from the case. In terms of devolved areas, well, let me give you one example of where it would make sense to have one coherent policy across GB: animal health. There's no sense in having three different systems of animal health across Great Britain. And the reality is that, to me, it makes sense to have an agreement between the three Governments, with a common system - that clearly makes sense. There may be an argument of having a common framework for agriculture, so that there are no barriers erected within the UK to trade within the UK. That I can see as being something that would have merit. He talks about money - under no circumstances would it be good for Welsh farming to see the current flow of money from Europe disappear into the Treasury. We get £260 million a year for farmers in Wales. We have a far greater share of the spend than Barnett would give us - a far greater spend. So, actually, we will be much, much worse off if we were to lose that share of the money. The worry I have is that, in 2020, we'll be told, 'You can have the money, Barnettised'. If you do that, it's a massive cut in Welsh farming, and we would not be able to keep the current subsidy system going. For me, what we need is a guarantee that the current share of funding will continue into the future. If that's done, then that will resolve the situation. We have to make sure, of course, that we don't end up in a situation where we have the powers, but not the money. And it's hugely important, as we were told that there would be a Brexit bonus, that that is distributed fairly to the people of Wales. And in agriculture, that means not a Barnettised share - it actually means the kind of share that we get now. Talks with UKTI - he is wrong about UKTI. We value the work that we do with UKTI - we have a good relationship with them; there is no conflict between us - but the major investment decisions that have come to Wales over the last few years have come through the sheer hard graft of Ministers and, indeed, of officials - Aston Martin, where I was yesterday, being one example of that. That was done entirely by Welsh Government Ministers. But we do work with UKTI. They have provided us with assistance in the past, and the relationship is good, and that's going to continue in the future - that needn't change. But we have to understand that there are many, many issues that need to be resolved in a very, very short space of time. We're talking about two and a half years to put in place a deal for the UK that will be of benefit to the UK. That is a hugely difficult task. At the very least, it needs the UK Government to be able to be in a position to understand where it wants to go at this stage. If it's not at that stage yet, then how on earth will it be in a position to understand what the negotiations should look like over the two-year period of those negotiations? Now, from my perspective, I'm not starting from the perspective of looking to be publicly critical of the UK Government as it continues its negotiations. I would rather be in a position where we had an agreed way forward - I'd rather be in a position where we had an agreed way forward. But in March, I would like to see the UK Government having taken on board the views of the devolved Governments, and come to a position that can be agreed by the devolved Governments. On that basis, it makes perfect sense, then, to go into negotiations in March with a united front. But that is the challenge for the UK Government. It's no good the UK Government saying, 'This is what we're going to do', and not look for the views of the devolved Governments, or their agreement. If we're going to get this right for the UK, we need as much agreement as possible, in order to make sure that, over the next two years, we don't end up in the situation where we take a huge economic hit.
Welsh: Nid oes neb yn codi mater y DU yn peidio â gadael yr UE ac eithrio'r bobl hynny sy'n cefnogi Brexit. Does dim amheuaeth na fydd y DU yn gadael yr UE. Mae'n mynd i ddigwydd. Rydym yn gwybod hynny. Mae'r ddadl honno wedi mynd heibio. Mae'r cyfle hwnnw wedi mynd heibio. Mae'n gwestiwn yn awr o ddeall sut y mae hyn yn digwydd. Yr unig beth yr ydym yn ei wybod yw bod pobl Cymru wedi pleidleisio i adael yr UE. Dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod dim manylion y tu hwnt i hynny. Dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth fyddai eu safbwynt, er enghraifft, pe byddai cytundeb ar y bwrdd a oedd yn cynnwys rhyw fath o symudiad rhydd rhannol o bobl, cyn belled â'i fod yn cynnwys mynediad at y farchnad sengl. Dydym ni ddim yn gwybod. Felly, rydym mewn sefyllfa o orfod saernïo posibiliadau sydd er budd gorau pobl Cymru. Y gwir amdani, i mi, yw mai mynediad di-dariff i'r farchnad sengl yw'r mater unigol pwysicaf. Dyna'r mater unigol pwysicaf. Mae hefyd yn wir i ddweud bod hynny'n golygu derbyn, yn rhannol o leiaf, symudiad rhydd o bobl. Wel, os yw hynny'n wir, yna mae'n rhaid ystyried hynny, yn anffodus, oherwydd mai mynediad i'r farchnad sengl yw'r mater pwysicaf. Ceir enghreifftiau mewn gwledydd eraill lle ceir addasiad o'r system o symudiad rhydd. Yr hyn yr ydym ni yn ei wybod, yr hyn y gallwn ei ddeall o'r canlyniad, rwy'n credu, ym mis Mehefin, yw nad oedd pobl yn hapus â'r system bresennol o symudiad rhydd. Y tu hwnt i hynny, nid ydym yn gwybod a fyddent yn derbyn unrhyw addasiad o'r system honno. Cyflwynais gynllun chwe phwynt ym mis Mehefin. Nid wyf wedi cael cynllun gan Lywodraeth y DU o hyd. Nid wyf yn gwybod beth yw eu cynllun nhw o hyd, nid wyf yn gwybod beth yw eu blaenoriaethau nhw o hyd, ac nid wyf yn gwybod beth yw eu strategaeth drafod nhw o hyd. Nawr, mae ef wedi cyfarfod â David Davis. Efallai ei fod wedi dweud rhywbeth gwahanol wrtho ef nag a ddywedodd wrthyf i, ond yr ateb i bob cwestiwn y gofynnais i David Davis oedd, 'Bydd yn iawn.' Dywedais, 'Beth am y ffin rhwng Gogledd Iwerddon a'r Weriniaeth?' 'Bydd yn iawn.' Wel, nid yw'n iawn, ac mae gan Arlene Foster y broblem fawr yn awr o fod mewn sefyllfa o gael ffin â gwlad sydd â pholisi mewnfudo gwahanol ac sydd o bosibl y tu allan i'r undeb tollau hefyd. Mae'n amhosibl peidio â chael ffin galed yn yr amgylchiadau hynny, ac mae'r rhain yn faterion sydd wedi eu claddu yn y tywod ar lefel y DU, hyd yn hyn, a bydd angen eu datrys. Rwy'n meddwl bod y Prif Weinidog yn awyddus i gael ymagwedd synhwyrol tuag at hyn. Rwy'n credu ei bod hi. Rwy'n credu mai dyna'r rheswm pam yr oedd ei safbwynt fel ag yr oedd cyn y refferendwm. Ond mae yna bobl eraill o'i chwmpas nad ydynt. Liam Fox, Peter Lilley - mae'r rhain yn bobl sydd wedi dweud, 'Yr hyn yr ydym ei angen yw sefyllfa lle mae diwydiannau gwasanaeth yn cael mynediad i wledydd eraill er mwyn caniatáu i'r nwyddau a weithgynhyrchir ganddynt i ddod i'r DU.' Mae gan hynny'r potensial i ddinistrio gweithgynhyrchu yn y DU, ac nid dyna beth y pleidleisiodd y bobl amdano. I mi, mae'n hynod o bwysig ein bod ni mewn sefyllfa lle gallwn gael mynediad i'r farchnad sengl Ewropeaidd mae hynny'n wir - ond ni fyddaf yn derbyn unrhyw beth a fyddai'n arwain at danseilio gweithgynhyrchu yng Nghymru. Mae ef wedi sôn am gytundebau masnach rydd - mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn ofalus ynglŷn â hynny. A yw eisiau cytundeb masnach rydd â Seland Newydd? Oherwydd byddai hynny'n golygu diwedd y cwotâu a'r tariffau ar gig oen, a chig oen yn llifo'n rhydd i'r DU. Felly, mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn ofalus iawn, iawn o'r hyn y mae cytundeb masnach rydd yn ei olygu mewn gwirionedd, ac edrych yn ofalus iawn ar y manylion. Dyna pam y bydd yn cymryd llawer iawn o flynyddoedd i gytundebau masnach rydd gael eu trafod. Nid oes ffordd yn y byd i gytundebau masnach rydd gael eu trafod o fewn dwy flynedd - mae hynny'n amhosibl. Cymerodd y cytundeb gyda Chanada saith mlynedd dim ond i'w drafod. Yna mae'r mater o gael cytundeb gan Senedd y DU, o ddwy senedd ranbarthol yng Ngwlad Belg, aelod-wladwriaethau - ac mae un ohonynt eisoes wedi dweud na fyddai'n cytuno i unrhyw beth heb gydsofraniaeth dros Gibraltar. Mae'n rhaid datrys yr holl faterion hyn. Nid yw dim o hyn yn hawdd. Mae'n rhaid eu datrys, rwy'n gwybod hynny, ond mae meddwl bod hwn yn ddewis hawdd, ymhell o fod yn wir. O ran y meysydd sydd wedi'u datganoli, wel, gadewch i mi roi un enghraifft i chi o ble y byddai'n gwneud synnwyr i ni gael un polisi cydlynol ledled Prydain Fawr: iechyd anifeiliaid. Does dim synnwyr mewn cael tair system wahanol o ran iechyd anifeiliaid ledled Prydain Fawr. Ac i mi, y gwir amdani yw ei bod yn gwneud synnwyr i gael cytundeb rhwng y tair Llywodraeth, gydag un system gyffredin - mae hynny'n amlwg yn gwneud synnwyr. Efallai bod dadl i gael fframwaith cyffredin ar gyfer amaethyddiaeth, fel nad oes unrhyw rwystrau yn y DU i fasnachu o fewn y DU. Gallaf weld bod hynny'n rhywbeth a fyddai'n fanteisiol. Mae'n siarad am arian - ni fyddai'n beth da o dan unrhyw amgylchiadau i ffermio yng Nghymru weld y llif presennol o arian o Ewrop yn diflannu i mewn i'r Trysorlys. Rydym yn cael £260 miliwn y flwyddyn i ffermwyr yng Nghymru. Mae gennym lawer mwy o gyfran o'r gwariant nag y byddai fformiwla Barnett yn ei roi i ni - gwariant mwy o lawer. Felly, mewn gwirionedd, byddwn mewn sefyllfa lawer, lawer gwaeth pe byddem yn colli'r gyfran honno o'r arian. Y pryder sydd gen i yw y byddwn, yn 2020, yn cael gwybod 'Cewch, fe gewch chi'r arian, yn unol â fformiwla Barnett'. Os gwneir hynny, mae'n doriad enfawr i ffermio yng Nghymru, ac ni fyddem yn gallu cadw'r system gymhorthdal bresennol i fynd. I mi, yr hyn sydd ei angen arnom yw gwarant y bydd cyfran bresennol y cyllid yn parhau i'r dyfodol. Os gwneir hynny, bydd yn datrys y sefyllfa. Mae'n rhaid i ni wneud yn siŵr, wrth gwrs, nad ydym yn y pen draw mewn sefyllfa lle mae gennym y pwerau, ond nid yr arian. Ac mae'n hynod o bwysig, oherwydd y dywedwyd wrthym y byddai bonws Brexit, bod hynny'n cael ei ddosbarthu'n deg i bobl Cymru. Ac mewn amaethyddiaeth, nid yw hynny'n golygu cyfran yn ôl fformiwla Barnett - mae'n golygu mewn gwirionedd y math o gyfran yr ydym yn ei gael yn awr. Y sgyrsiau gyda Masnach a Buddsoddi'r DU - mae'n anghywir ynglŷn â Masnach a Buddsoddi y DU. Rydym yn gwerthfawrogi'r gwaith a wnawn gyda Masnach a Buddsoddi'r DU - mae gennym berthynas dda gyda nhw; nid oes unrhyw wrthdaro rhyngom ni - ond mae'r penderfyniadau buddsoddi mawr sydd wedi dod i Gymru dros yr ychydig flynyddoedd diwethaf wedi dod trwy waith caled y Gweinidogion ac, yn wir, swyddogion - mae Aston Martin, lle'r oeddwn i ddoe, yn un enghraifft o hynny. Gwnaethpwyd hynny yn gyfan gwbl gan Weinidogion Llywodraeth Cymru. Ond rydym ni yn gweithio gyda Masnach a Buddsoddi'r DU. Maent wedi rhoi cymorth i ni yn y gorffennol, ac mae'r berthynas yn dda, ac mae hynny'n mynd i barhau yn y dyfodol - nid oes angen i hynny newid. Ond mae'n rhaid i ni ddeall bod llawer, llawer o faterion y mae angen eu datrys mewn cyfnod byr iawn o amser. Rydym yn sôn am ddwy flynedd a hanner i sefydlu cytundeb ar gyfer y DU a fydd o fudd i'r DU. Mae hynny'n dasg anodd dros ben. Ar y lleiaf, mae angen i Lywodraeth y DU fod yn gallu bod mewn sefyllfa i ddeall ble y mae eisiau mynd ar y cam hwn. Os nad yw wedi cyrraedd y cam hwnnw eto, yna sut ar y ddaear y bydd mewn sefyllfa i ddeall sut ddylai'r trafodaethau hyn edrych dros gyfnod dwy flynedd y trafodaethau hynny? Nawr, o'm rhan i, nid wyf yn dechrau o'r safbwynt o gael fy ngweld yn feirniadol yn gyhoeddus o Lywodraeth y DU wrth iddi barhau â'i thrafodaethau. Byddai'n well gennyf fod mewn sefyllfa lle y byddai gennym ffordd ymlaen yr ydym wedi cytuno arni - byddai'n well gen i fod mewn sefyllfa lle y byddai gennym ffordd ymlaen yr ydym wedi cytuno arni. Ond ym mis Mawrth, hoffwn weld bod Llywodraeth y DU wedi ystyried barn y Llywodraethau datganoledig, ac wedi dod i safbwynt y gall y Llywodraethau datganoledig gytuno arni. Ar y sail honno, mae'n gwneud synnwyr perffaith, wedyn, i fynd i'r trafodaethau ym mis Mawrth gan sefyll ynghyd. Ond dyna yw'r her i Lywodraeth y DU. Does dim pwynt i Lywodraeth y DU ddweud, 'Dyma beth yr ydym yn mynd i'w wneud', a pheidio â gofyn am farn y Llywodraethau datganoledig, neu eu cytundeb. Os ydym yn mynd i wneud hyn yn iawn ar gyfer y DU, mae angen cymaint o gytundeb ag y bo modd, er mwyn gwneud yn siŵr, dros y ddwy flynedd nesaf, nad ydym yn canfod ein hunain mewn sefyllfa lle rydym yn cymryd ergyd economaidd enfawr.