English: I would like just to emphasise at the start, though we are co-submitting, I think we are coming at this from different perspectives, and, for me, I do support what Rhun ap Iorwerth said about an independent inquiry in Wales. I think Scotland does show the way in terms of what we need to be able to scrutinise, because the impact of COVID is still felt in all of our lives now. Yes, it is about justice for those that lost loved ones, but it's also about the challenges for the workforce, the fact that we now see the NHS on its knees, that we see the mental health impact on young people continued now, all because of COVID. What Scotland is doing is looking at every element and learning lessons - learning lessons so that, when we will be in this situation again, because we know that pandemics are going to be more frequent with the impact of climate change, we are in a position to be able to deal as best we can. None of us envied the First Minister's role. Certainly, I was not in this Chamber when COVID struck, and I remember watching the news and thinking how difficult it must be for Welsh Government. This isn't about apportioning blame. Inquiries are also about learning about what we got right and ensuring that those lessons are also part of this, because some decisions were the correct ones and made a difference and meant that some people are still alive today, and they wouldn't have been if those decisions had not been taken. But how do we learn the lessons without an inquiry? I would ask: if we are not willing to have an independent inquiry relating to COVID-19 and the biggest challenges any Government in this Senedd has faced since our establishment, then in what circumstances will we ever see an independent inquiry by this Welsh Government? Certainly, for me, it is the fact that South Wales Central saw the highest proportion of deaths, and we know that that continued impact of ill health is still very much felt. It is from the words - . The Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru are not coming from a party political viewpoint; these are their lived experiences. They have shared harrowing stories with each of us, and none of them - none of them - are trying to embarrass the Government. They just want to know: could anything have changed things for my relative? Could anything have been different? For Catherine, who shared with me on Twitter: 'My father died in a care homesaying goodbye to him thru a window with him stretching his arms to me to help him will haunt me forever', for the sake of my loved one who died as a result of catching COVID in hospital and all others who've similarly lost loved ones, the learning must be taken by a Wales-only COVID inquiry to try and ensure that learning is taken and similar situations don't arise again. We need scrutiny here in Wales for decisions taken in Wales. We need an independent inquiry. This is a compromise, but it's very much needed.
Welsh: Hoffwn bwysleisio ar y dechrau, er ein bod yn cyd-gyflwyno, rwy'n credu ein bod yn dod at hyn o safbwyntiau gwahanol, ac i mi, rwy'n cefnogi'r hyn a ddywedodd Rhun ap Iorwerth am ymchwiliad annibynnol yng Nghymru. Rwy'n credu bod yr Alban yn dangos y ffordd o ran yr hyn sydd angen inni allu ei graffu, oherwydd mae effaith COVID yn dal i'w theimlo ym mywydau pawb ohonom nawr. Ydy, mae'n ymwneud â chyfiawnder i'r rhai a gollodd anwyliaid, ond mae hefyd yn ymwneud â'r heriau i'r gweithlu, y ffaith ein bod bellach yn gweld y GIG ar ei liniau, ein bod yn gweld yr effaith iechyd meddwl ar bobl ifanc yn parhau nawr, a hyn oll oherwydd COVID. Mae'r Alban yn edrych ar bob elfen ac yn dysgu gwersi - dysgu gwersi fel ein bod mewn sefyllfa i allu ymdopi gystal ag y gallwn pan fyddwn yn y sefyllfa hon eto, oherwydd fe wyddom fod pandemigau'n mynd i ddigwydd yn amlach gydag effaith newid hinsawdd. Nid oedd yr un ohonom yn genfigennus o rôl y Prif Weinidog. Yn sicr, nid oeddwn yn y Siambr pan darodd COVID, ac rwy'n cofio gwylio'r newyddion a meddwl pa mor anodd oedd hi i Lywodraeth Cymru. Nid mater o daflu bai yw hyn. Mae ymchwiliadau hefyd yn ymwneud â dysgu am yr hyn a wnaethom yn iawn a sicrhau bod y gwersi hynny hefyd yn rhan o hyn, oherwydd roedd rhai penderfyniadau yn rhai cywir ac fe wnaethant wahaniaeth a olygodd fod rhai pobl yn dal yn fyw heddiw, ac ni fyddent wedi bod yn fyw pe na bai'r penderfyniadau hynny wedi'u gwneud. Ond sut mae dysgu'r gwersi heb ymchwiliad? Hoffwn ofyn: os nad ydym yn fodlon cael ymchwiliad annibynnol mewn perthynas â COVID-19 a'r heriau mwyaf y mae unrhyw Lywodraeth yn y Senedd hon wedi'u hwynebu ers ein sefydlu, ym mha amgylchiadau y gwelwn ni fyth ymchwiliad annibynnol gan Lywodraeth Cymru? Yn sicr, i mi, mae'n ymwneud â'r ffaith mai Canol De Cymru a welodd y gyfran uchaf o farwolaethau, ac fe wyddom fod effaith barhaus afiechyd yn dal i'w theimlo'n fawr. O'r geiriau - . Nid yw Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice Cymru yn arddel safbwynt plaid wleidyddol; dyma eu profiadau bywyd. Maent wedi rhannu straeon dirdynnol gyda phob un ohonom, ac nid oes neb ohonynt - neb ohonynt - yn ceisio codi cywilydd ar y Llywodraeth. Maent ond eisiau gwybod: a allai unrhyw beth fod wedi newid pethau i fy mherthynas? A allai unrhyw beth fod wedi bod yn wahanol? I Catherine, a rannodd gyda mi ar Twitter: 'Bu farw fy nhad mewn cartref gofalbydd ffarwelio gydag ef drwy ffenest ac yntau'n estyn ei freichiau ataf i'w helpu yn aros gyda fi am byth', er mwyn rhywun annwyl i mi a fu farw o ganlyniad i ddal COVID yn yr ysbyty a phawb arall sydd wedi colli anwyliaid yn yr un modd, rhaid dysgu gwersi drwy gael ymchwiliad COVID i Gymru'n unig er mwyn ceisio sicrhau bod y gwersi hynny'n cael eu dysgu ac na fydd sefyllfaoedd tebyg yn digwydd eto. Rydym angen craffu yma yng Nghymru ar benderfyniadau a wnaed yng Nghymru. Mae angen ymchwiliad annibynnol. Cyfaddawd yw hwn, ond mae ei angen yn fawr iawn.