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English: I think the commissioner should have a role, and we've said that there should be a clause in the regulations because this is a great question: what's the value of regulations if they cannot be enforced or monitored officially at all? So, from the perspective of the citizen, who do we go to if these things aren't being achieved? So, I think it's a very important question because there's no value to the regulations unless somebody has the means of getting to those rights. So, it's a very important question.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl y dylai'r comisiynydd fod gyda rôl, ac rŷn ni wedi dweud y dylai fod cymal yn y rheoliadau hynny, achos mae yna gwestiwn mawr: beth yw gwerth rheoliadau os nad ydyn nhw'n gallu cael eu gorfodi neu eu monitro'n swyddogol o gwbl? So, o bersbectif y dinesydd, pwy ydyn ni'n mynd atyn nhw os dyw'r pethau hyn ddim yn cael eu cyflawni? So, dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n gwestiwn pwysig iawn achos does dim gwerth i'r rheoliadau os nad yw rhywun gyda'r modd o gael at yr hawliau hynny. Felly, mae'n gwestiwn pwysig iawn.
English: Also, one of the things the commissioner does is to work as an advocate for people who are vulnerable. So, you're passing the back, in a way. You pass the message on and they deal with it. But what's good is that there is also a response. I have a letter here from a member to the health service, and the letter wasn't dealt with because the health service at that time wouldn't deal with the issue. They didn't see it as a problem and that was it - nothing was done. The commissioner empowers people and does that work on their behalf and finds solutions.
Welsh: Hefyd, un o'r pethau mae'r comisiynydd yn ei wneud yw maen nhw'n gweithio fel eiriolwyr ar ran pobl mewn sefyllfa o wendid. Felly, rŷch chi'n pasio'r b uck, mewn ffordd. Rŷch chi'n pasio'r neges ymlaen ac maen nhw'n delio ag e. Ond beth sy'n dda hefyd yw bod ateb yn dod nôl. Mae gyda fi lythyr fan hyn oddi wrth aelod i'r gwasanaeth iechyd, a chafodd e ddim ei ddelio ag e achos y gwasanaeth iechyd ar y pryd oedd yn delio â'r mater. Doedden nhw ddim yn gweld problem, a dyna ni - doedd dim byd wedi'i ganfod. Mae'r comisiynydd yn grymuso pobl ac yn gwneud y gwaith ar eu rhan nhw ac yn canfod canlyniad.
English: Well, yes, one of the main advantages of the standards and that Measure is that there is a specific body there to stand up and to look out for the rights of Welsh language users and people who want to use the language. It's true to say - and thank you for the question - that one of the weaknesses of going along this path is that there is no access to somebody or a body that can help you in such a situation.
Welsh: Wel, ie, un o brif fanteision y safonau a'r Mesur yna yw bod yna gorff penodol yna i sefyll lan ac edrych mas am hawliau defnyddwyr y Gymraeg a phobl sy'n dymuno ei defnyddio hi. Felly, mae'n wir i ddweud - a diolch am y cwestiwn - mai un o wendidau mynd ar hyd y trywydd yma yw bod dim mynediad at rywun neu gorff sydd yn gallu eich helpu chi mewn sefyllfa o'r fath.
English: Also, just to note that there are a number of standards, but the reason that there are that many standards is that they have been broken down, and I think the perception is that the standards should be looked at holistically, with a few being taken out here or there. For me, there's been a misunderstanding here in terms of these regulations. They've chosen something like five or six standards to use. But they don't stand without the rest.
Welsh: Hefyd, jest i nodi, efallai, bod llawer o safonau, ond y rheswm bod llawer o safonau yw eu bod nhw wedi cael eu torri i lawr yn fân, ac rwy'n credu mai'r canfyddiad yw bod y safonau fod cael eu trin fel un corff, gydag ambell, efallai, wedi eu tynnu mas, fan hyn a fan draw. I fi, mae camddealltwriaeth fan hyn wedi digwydd o ran y rheoliadau. Maen nhw wedi dewis rhywbeth tebyg i bump neu chwe rheoliad i'w defnyddio. Wel, dydyn nhw ddim yn sefyll heb y gweddill.
English: Thank you, and apologies that we had to rush through that at the end, but it's just the lack of time in us doing everything within the time restrictions facing us. So, if there is more information that you would like to send to us, although we do have a great deal of information already, then please don't feel that you can't do that, because a report will be drawn up. So, thank you very much for providing evidence today. We're going to have to move on immediately to item 7 - the NHS regulations. We will take evidence from the Welsh Language Commissioner's office, and we will await the arrival of their representative.
Welsh: Diolch, ac ymddiheuriadau ein bod wedi rhuthro erbyn y diwedd, ond jest diffyg amser i ni allu gwneud popeth o fewn y cyfyngiadau amser sydd gyda ni. Felly, os oes yna mwy o wybodaeth hoffech chi ddanfon atom ni, er bod gennym ni lot ohono fe'n barod, plis peidiwch â meddwl eich bod chi ddim yn gallu cysylltu gyda ni, achos bydd adroddiad yn mynd ger bron. Felly, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi am roi tystiolaeth i ni heddiw. Dŷn ni'n mynd i orfod symud ymlaen, felly, yn syth at eitem 7 - rheoliadau'r gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol. Dŷn ni'n derbyn tystiolaeth gan swyddfa Comisiynydd y Gymraeg. Byddwn ni'n aros i'r cynrychiolydd ddod atom nawr.
English: Whilst we're waiting, I have been advised to move to the items to note, under item 8. Item 8.1 - correspondence with the Welsh Government regarding undertaking a thematic review of the teaching of Welsh history and culture. The Minister has stated that she will approach Estyn to ask if that is something that they would wish to do. Item 8.2 - correspondence with the Minister for Health and Social Services regarding the national health service regulations. Then 8.3 - correspondence with the Welsh Government regarding the community radio fund. And then there is also correspondence from the Chair of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee to the Minister for Health and Social Services. Any comments on those, or is everyone content to note? Thank you very much. We will await our next witness.
Welsh: Tra ein bod ni'n aros, felly, dwi wedi cael cyngor i fynd at yr eitemau i nodi, o dan eitem 8. Eitem 8.1 - mae yna ohebiaeth â Llywodraeth Cymru ynghylch cynnal adolygiad thematig o'r modd yr addysgir hanes a diwylliant Cymru. Mae'r Gweinidog wedi dweud y bydd hi yn mynd at yr arolygwyr Estyn i ofyn a yw hynny'n rhywbeth hoffan nhw ei wneud. Eitem 8.2 - gohebiaeth gan y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol ynghylch rheoliadau'r gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol. Ac wedyn eitem 8.3 - gohebiaeth â Llywodraeth Cymru ynghylch y gronfa radio cymunedol. Ac wedyn gohebiaeth gan Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a Deddfwriaethol at y Gweinidog Iechyd a Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol. Oes unrhyw sylwadau ar hynny neu ydy pawb yn hapus i'w nodi e? Diolch yn fawr. Fe wnawn ni aros i'r cynrychiolydd, felly, i ddod.
English: Thank you very much and apologies that we're late seeing you; we are delayed with our questions. As I've already said, we have reached item 7. We welcome Dyfan Sion, director in the Welsh Language Commissioner's office, to this meeting today. There is a series of questions, and certainly if we can't ask all of them we will ask you if we could write to you in that regard. Could you, just as an initial question, tell us what assessment you've made of the importance of providing patients with Welsh language services, in particular in the primary care sector?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn ac ymddiheuriadau ein bod ni'n hwyr yn eich gweld chi; dŷn ni'n hwyr yn holi. Fel dwi eisoes wedi dweud, dŷn ni wedi cyrraedd eitem 7. Dŷn ni'n croesawu Dyfan Sion, sef cyfarwyddwr swyddfa Comisiynydd y Gymraeg, atom heddiw. Mae yna gyfres o gwestiynau, ac yn sicr, os nad ydyn ni'n gallu eu gofyn nhw i gyd, byddwn ni'n gofyn i chi os fedrwn ni ysgrifennu atoch chi yn hynny o beth. A allwch chi jest, fel cwestiwn cychwynnol, ddweud pa asesiad dŷch chi wedi ei wneud o bwysigrwydd darparu gwasanaethau Cymraeg i gleifion, yn enwedig yn y sector gofal sylfaenol?
English: Okay, and thank you for the invitation to provide evidence today. We have done some research over the years, but perhaps before I mention a few specific examples, it's important to note in terms of providing Welsh language services in health, very often for patients it's a matter of clinical need, not a matter of language choice alone. So, that's an important principle. The other thing to note in terms of primary care is that this is the first contact the majority of patients will have with the health service. So, we need to bear those two things in mind. One piece of work that we did a few years ago was an investigation into primary care services in the Welsh language. In gathering evidence as part of that work, we received information about the experiences of over 1,000 individuals. We also gathered information about institutions, stakeholders and providers. So, it was quite a substantial piece of work that enabled us to get quite a comprehensive picture of the situation in primary care. That report is available on our website - I'm happy to share that with you after this session if you so wish. I won't go through all of the findings -
Welsh: Iawn, a diolch am y gwahoddiad i roi tystiolaeth heddiw. Rydym ni wedi cynnal darnau o waith ymchwil dros y blynyddoedd, ond efallai cyn sôn am gwpl o enghreifftiau penodol, mae'n bwysig nodi, dwi'n meddwl, o ran cael gwasanaethau Cymraeg yn y maes iechyd, yn aml iawn ac i nifer o gleifion mae o'n fater o angen clinigol, nid jest yn fater o ddewis iaith yn unig. Felly, mae hynny'n egwyddor bwysig. Y peth arall i nodi hefyd, yn amlwg, o ran gofal sylfaenol ydy dyma ydy cyswllt cyntaf mwyafrif helaeth y cyhoedd efo'r gwasanaeth iechyd. Felly, mae'r ddau beth yna mewn cof. Un darn o waith wnaethom ni, ychydig o flynyddoedd yn ôl erbyn hyn, oedd ymholiad iechyd i mewn i wasanaethau gofal sylfaenol a'r Gymraeg. Wrth gasglu tystiolaeth fel rhan o'r gwaith hynny, mi gawsom ni wybodaeth am brofiadau dros 1,000 o unigolion. Aethon ni ati hefyd i gasglu gwybodaeth am sefydliadau, rhanddeiliaid a darparwyr. Felly, mi oedd o'n ddarn eithaf sylweddol o waith a wnaeth ein galluogi ni i gael darlun eithaf cynhwysfawr o'r sefyllfa yn y maes gofal sylfaenol. Mae'r adroddiad yna ar ein gwefan ni - hapus i rannu'r adroddiad ar ôl y sesiwn yma heddiw os ydych chi'n dymuno. Fe wnaf i ddim mynd trwy'r canfyddiadau i gyd, ond jest i roi blas i chi -
English: We don't have time for that in any case, sorry.
Welsh: Does dim amser gyda ni ta beth, sori.
English: No. If I could just give you a quick flavour of what we've found, I think one of the main messages was that Welsh speakers receive the vast majority of services through the medium of English. Related to that, the investigation noted that language awareness was important and, even if a doctor or a nurse isn't able to communicate through the medium of Welsh, then there should at least be an awareness of the needs of Welsh speakers, and that is crucially important in terms of the provision of service and to the dignity and respect shown to the individual. Now, as part of that investigation, we also carried out a survey that gave us a picture of the kinds of experiences that Welsh speakers had. So, just to give you a very quick example, on average, 28 per cent of Welsh speakers received a Welsh language service in their latest involvement with primary care, and that varied from 41 per cent with a nurse in a surgery to 15 per cent with an out-of-hours GP. So, there was some variety in terms of the service, but it gives you an idea of the pattern of services available. Now, beyond that too we've also carried out more specific pieces of work, and a recent example of that was the work that we did jointly with the Alzheimer's Society to look at the availability of dementia services through the medium of Welsh. So, that just gives you a flavour, perhaps, of the needs assessments that we've carried out.
Welsh: Na. Jest i roi blas cyflym iawn, dwi'n meddwl un o'r prif negeseuon oedd bod siaradwyr Cymraeg yn derbyn y mwyafrif helaeth o'u gwasanaethau drwy gyfrwng y Saesneg. Yn gysylltiedig â hynny wedyn, mi oedd yr ymholiad yn nodi bod ymwybyddiaeth iaith yn bwysig. Felly, hyd yn oed os nad ydy meddyg neu nyrs yn gallu cyfathrebu drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg, mae o leiaf ymwybyddiaeth o anghenion siaradwyr Cymraeg yn allweddol i'r gwasanaeth ac i barch ac urddas y gwasanaeth wedyn o safbwynt yr unigolyn. Fel rhan o'r ymholiad hefyd, gwnaethon ni gynnal arolwg a oedd yn rhoi darlun i ni o'r math o brofiadau roedd siaradwyr Cymraeg yn eu cael. Felly, jest fel enghraifft gyflym iawn i chi, ar gyfartaledd, 28 y cant o siaradwyr Cymraeg gafodd wasanaeth Cymraeg yn eu cyswllt diwethaf efo'r gwasanaeth gofal sylfaenol. Mi oedd hynny'n amrywio o 41 y cant efo nyrs mewn meddygfa i 15 y cant wedyn efo meddyg tu allan i oriau. Felly, mi oedd yna amrywiaeth. Ac mae'n rhoi syniad i chi o'r patrwm gwasanaeth oedd ar gael. Tu hwnt i hynny hefyd, dŷn ni wedi cynnal darnau o waith mwy penodol. Felly, enghraifft ddiweddar o hynny oedd gwaith a wnaethon ni ar y cyd â'r Gymdeithas Alzheimer's i edrych ar argaeledd gwasanaethau dementia drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg. Felly, mae hynny'n rhoi blas i chi, efallai, o'r asesu anghenion gwasanaeth dŷn ni wedi ei wneud.
English: And, in terms of what's possible to deliver in the independent sector, does research show how many are qualified to do that?
Welsh: A beth o ran beth sy'n bosib o ran delifro ar hyn o bryd yn y sector annibynnol - oes ymchwil yn dangos faint sydd yn gymwys i wneud hynny?
English: Our research mainly demonstrates what's required from the patient or service user's perspective, so we don't hold that information, but we are aware of work currently being planned by the Government in order to establish a baseline of services available now. Now, I think the intention there is that it will provide a baseline considering the services that are going to be provided under the regulations we're discussing today.
Welsh: Mae'r ymchwil sydd gennym ni yn bennaf yn dangos beth sydd ei angen o ran safbwynt y claf, y defnyddiwr. Felly, dydy'r wybodaeth yna ddim gennym ni, ond dŷn ni'n ymwybodol o waith mae'r Llywodraeth yn cynllunio ar hyn o bryd i gynnal gwaelodlin o'r gwasanaethau sydd ar gael rŵan. Dwi'n meddwl y bwriad efo hynny ydy mi fydd o'n rhoi gwaelodlin o ystyried y dyletswyddau sydd yn mynd i gael eu cynnig o dan y rheoliadau dŷn ni'n trafod heddiw.
English: But do you think it would have been possible for them to have provided this baseline before putting the regulations in place so that they would know what areas of Wales would be able to cope with fewer or more services through the medium of Welsh?
Welsh: Ond ydych chi'n credu y byddai wedi bod yn bosib iddyn nhw allu gwneud y waelodlin yma cyn rhoi rheoliadau yn eu lle fel gallan nhw wybod pa ardal o Gymru byddai'n gallu ymdopi gyda mwy neu lai o wasanaethau drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg?
English: Well, yes, as part of that too, of course, there has been some negotiation and discussion with the profession as they develop the duties to be included in their services. I certainly would assume that the profession has had an opportunity to discuss that and to have an input into that. So, I do think that there has been an opportunity from the point of view of the profession. As I say, our evidence focuses more on the patient's experience and the patient's need.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, fel rhan o hynny hefyd, wrth gwrs, mae yna negodi a thrafod wedi bod efo'r proffesiwn wrth iddyn nhw ddatblygu'r dyletswyddau i roi'n rhan o'r gwasanaethau. Felly, yn sicr, buaswn i'n tybio bod y proffesiwn wedi cael cyfle i drafod a rhoi mewnbwn i hynny. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod yna gyfle wedi bod o safbwynt y proffesiwn, ac fel dwi'n ei ddweud, o ran ni, mae'r dystiolaeth sydd gennym ni'n canolbwyntio'n fwy ar y defnyddwyr, y cleifion, a'u hanghenion nhw.
English: Well, we have regular discussions and constructive discussions with officials within the Government's health department. That's to discuss primary care, but we also discuss a whole range of other issues too - so, the standards imposed on the health boards, the 'More than just words' strategy of the Government and so on and so forth. Now, in terms of these regulations specifically, we were not invited directly to give our comments. So, there was no formal consultation. We saw the regulations at the same time as everyone else, when they were laid in the Assembly. Now, having said that, we were aware of the duties encapsulated in the regulations. So, we had seen those a while ago and had had an opportunity to discuss those duties. But I would say, in terms of the negotiations generally, they happen regularly and are constructive.
Welsh: Wel, mae gennym ni drafodaethau rheolaidd ac eithaf adeiladol efo swyddogion adran iechyd y Llywodraeth. Mae hynny i drafod gofal sylfaenol, ond dŷn ni'n trafod ystod eang o issues eraill hefyd - felly, ein rheoliadau safonau ar y byrddau iechyd, strategaeth 'Mwy na geiriau' y Llywodraeth ac yn y blaen. O ran y rheoliadau yma'n benodol, chawson ni ddim gwahoddiad penodol i gynnig sylwadau. Felly, doedd yna ddim ymgynghoriad ffurfiol. Fe welson ni'r rheoliadau'r un pryd â phawb arall, pan gawson nhw eu gosod yn y Cynulliad. Wedi dweud hynny, mi oedden ni'n ymwybodol o'r dyletswyddau sy'n rhan o'r rheoliadau. Felly, mi oedden ni wedi gweld rheini dipyn yn ôl ac wedi cael cyfle i drafod y dyletswyddau hynny. Ond buaswn i'n dweud, o ran y trafodaethau'n gyffredinol, maen nhw'n digwydd yn eithaf rheolaidd ac yn adeiladol.
English: I think, in terms of the duties, they are duties that are quite elementary, on the whole. I don't think they're perfect. Having said that, I think they are a very important first step in terms of developing the service with primary care providers. This is the first time, after all, that we've had any sort of language duties on these providers. Therefore, that is an important step. We're also considering the duties as a process rather than one event, so they are things that we're keen to see being developed further in the future. The Government already has suggested that there might be an opportunity to develop and build on them, so that is an important point. But, from our view as the commissioner's office, we see the duties as a first important step.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, o ran y dyletswyddau, maen nhw'n ddyletswyddau eithaf elfennol, ar y cyfan. Dwi ddim yn meddwl eu bod nhw'n berffaith. Wedi dweud hynny, dwi'n meddwl maen nhw'n gam cyntaf pwysig o safbwynt datblygu'r gwasanaeth efo darparwyr gofal sylfaenol. Dyma'r tro cyntaf, wedi'r cyfan, i ni gael unrhyw fath o ddyletswyddau iaith ar y darparwyr yma. Felly, mae hynny'n gam pwysig. Dŷn ni hefyd yn ystyried y dyletswyddau fel proses yn hytrach nag un digwyddiad, felly maen nhw'n bethau dŷn ni'n awyddus i weld yn cael eu datblygu ymhellach yn y dyfodol. Mae'r Llywodraeth eisoes wedi awgrymu hefyd efallai fydd yna gyfle i ddatblygu ac adeiladu arnyn nhw. Felly, mae hynny yn bwynt pwysig ond o'n safbwynt ni fel comisiynydd, dŷn ni'n gweld y dyletswyddau fel cam cyntaf pwysig.
English: The regulations introduce six duties, and there is a link between those duties and the standards that have already been laid on the health boards. I think if there was a means of developing the duties further, two of the duties, if I remember correctly, talk about encouragement, therefore encouraging providers of primary care, for example, to record the language of choice of patients. Certainly, there is room to strengthen that further than encouragement to ensure that it is happening. That possibly would be one way of strengthening the regulations. But, beyond that, we can see the link between the standards that have already been laid on health boards. I think that is constructive; just perhaps moving from the encouragement to ensuring that this happens is the important step.
Welsh: Mae'r rheoliadau yn cyflwyno chwe dyletswydd, ac mae yna gyswllt rhwng y dyletswyddau yna a'r safonau sydd eisoes wedi cael eu gosod yn y byrddau iechyd. Dwi'n meddwl pe bai yna fodd i ddatblygu'r dyletswyddau ymhellach, mae dau o'r dyletswyddau, os dwi'n cofio'n iawn, yn sôn am anogaeth, felly annog darparwyr gofal sylfaenol, er enghraifft, i gofnodi dewis iaith cleifion. Yn sicr, mae yna le i gryfhau hynny tu hwnt i anogaeth i sicrhau ei fod o yn digwydd. Mi fyddai hynny, o bosibl, yn un ffordd o gryfhau'r rheoliadau. Ond tu hwnt i hynny, dŷn ni yn gallu gweld y cyswllt efo'r safonau sydd eisoes wedi cael eu gosod ar y byrddau iechyd. Dwi'n meddwl bod hynny'n adeiladol; jest efallai symud o'r anogaeth i'r sicrhau fyddai'r cam pwysig.
English: Sorry to return to this point. Could you just confirm for the record that you think that they are reasonable and appropriate? I think those comments were made by the previous commissioner, so I just wanted to confirm that.
Welsh: Sori i fynd nôl i'r pwynt yma. Allwch chi gadarnhau am y record bod chi dal yn credu eu bod yn rhesymol ac yn briodol ar hyn o bryd? Dwi'n credu bod y sylwadau hynny wedi cael eu gwneud gan y comisiynydd blaenorol, felly dwi jest eisiau cadarnhau.
English: Yes, we are still of the view that these duties are appropriate as a first step. Of course, as we move forward, we will need to monitor this to ensure that the duties as they stand do work, and we also believe that there is an opportunity to build further on these. But, as they currently stand, as a first step, we do think that they're appropriate.
Welsh: Ydyn, dŷn ni'n dal o'r farn bod y dyletswyddau yma yn briodol fel cam cyntaf. Wrth gwrs, fel dŷn ni'n symud ymlaen, mi fydd angen monitro i sicrhau bod y dyletswyddau fel maen nhw yn llwyddiannus, ac dŷn ni hefyd yn gweld bod yna gyfle i adeiladu ymhellach arnyn nhw. Ond, fel maen nhw ar hyn o bryd - cam cyntaf - dŷn ni'n meddwl eu bod nhw'n briodol.
English: And just a quick second question on that. We've just heard from cymdeithas yr iaith saying that consultation happened with the bodies, but hadn't happened with the patients. I'm not hearing from your evidence that that has been something that was of concern to you.
Welsh: A jest ail gwestiwn clou ar hynny. Dŷn ni newydd glywed gan gymdeithas yr iaith, yn dweud bod ymgynghoriad wedi digwydd gyda'r cyrff, ond ddim wedi digwydd gyda'r cleifion. Dwi ddim yn clywed o'ch tystiolaeth bod hynny wedi bod yn rhywbeth oedd yn gonsern i chi.
English: From the point of view of the consultation arrangements - and we are aware, of course, that there has been a very brief period of time for you as a committee to consider these regulations - I do think that, given the topic that we're discussing and also the comments that were made in considering the standards regulations for health boards, certainly it would have been wiser to have provided more time for consultation. So, from the point of view of consultation, we believe that more time would have been useful.
Welsh: O safbwynt y trefniadau ymgynghori - a dŷn ni'n ymwybodol, wrth gwrs, mai cyfnod byr iawn sydd wedi bod i chi fel pwyllgor i ystyried y rheoliadau hefyd - dwi'n meddwl o safbwynt y pwnc dan sylw a hefyd y sylwadau a gafodd eu gwneud wrth ystyried y rheoliadau safonau byrddau iechyd, yn sicr mi fyddai o wedi bod yn ddoethach caniatáu mwy o amser i ymgynghori. Felly, o safbwynt ymghynghori, dŷn ni yn credu byddai mwy o amser wedi bod yn ddefnyddiol.