English: Diolch, Llywydd. May I thank all Members for their contributions? I regret slightly the tone of the later two contributions from the Labour benches, because I thought many of the contributions before were very thoughtful and we were having a good debate. And may I remind, in particular, the Minister, when he speaks about subverting democracy, that Wales voted to leave the European Union. Now Mick Antoniw may like to say that view, or our standing, and what we say, that that must have been respected, was somehow going against democracy or being to an extreme - [ Interruption.] I haven't got time for an intervention. I am sorry. But, actually, you said that you would respect that referendum, but you then spent three and a half years seeking to subvert it. Thankfully, you lost, but there are consequences of that three and a half years for how many people in Wales feel about this institution and your Government. Now Dai Lloyd speaks about the - and others spoke about the - difference between Welsh Government and this institution, but, of course, to start with, for several years, they were the same entity, and that language still continues. But we see, when we talk about what Plaid say, that there has been no alternation in power in this place. And the Conservatives say how great devolution could be if only there was a Conservative Government, but how will that ever happen when Plaid say that they will never work with you? If you will not work to present an alternative Government, there is no alteration of power, and the natural upset with politics and disappointment comes at the institution, added to that three and a half years of seeking to block Brexit. And we keep on hearing about the 2011 referendum, but what it said was: full law-making power in 20 devolved areas. And the system that predated it was pretty preposterous and didn't make any sense to anyone. Yes, Wales voted for that, but you then changed it to a reserved-powers model, with all powers devolved except in areas reserved to Westminster, and, specifically, you had on the ballot paper a statement that said the Assembly cannot make laws on tax whatever the result of this vote. In 2014, I was an MP who voted again in Westminster to legislate for that. But, in 2017, having stood in 2015 and 2016 on a manifesto of respecting that, you reversed it, didn't have the referendum, and forced tax-raising powers on Wales. I think there's a price to pay for that.
Welsh: Diolch, Lywydd. A gaf fi ddiolch i'r holl Aelodau am eu cyfraniadau? Rwy'n gresynu braidd at gywair y ddau gyfraniad diweddaraf oddi ar feinciau Llafur, oherwydd roeddwn yn meddwl bod llawer o'r cyfraniadau cyn hynny yn feddylgar iawn ac roeddem yn cael dadl dda. Ac a gaf fi atgoffa'r Gweinidog, yn arbennig, pan fydd yn siarad am danseilio democratiaeth, fod Cymru wedi pleidleisio i adael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd. Nawr, efallai fod Mick Antoniw'n hoff o ddweud bod y farn honno, neu ein statws, a'r hyn a ddywedwn, fod yn rhaid bod hynny wedi'i barchu, yn mynd yn groes i ddemocratiaeth rywsut neu'n un eithafol - [ T orri ar draws.] Nid oes gennyf amser i dderbyn ymyriad. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf. Ond fe ddywedoch chi y byddech yn parchu'r refferendwm hwnnw, ond wedyn fe dreulioch chi dair blynedd a hanner yn ceisio ei danseilio. Diolch byth, fe golloch chi, ond ceir canlyniadau i'r tair blynedd a hanner honno o ran sut y mae pobl yng Nghymru'n teimlo am y sefydliad hwn a'ch Llywodraeth. Nawr, mae Dai Lloyd yn siarad am y gwahaniaeth rhwng Llywodraeth Cymru a'r sefydliad hwn - a siaradodd eraill am hynny hefyd - ond wrth gwrs, i ddechrau, am nifer o flynyddoedd, yr un endid oeddent, ac mae'r iaith honno'n dal i barhau. Ond fe welwn, pan soniwn am yr hyn a ddywed Plaid Cymru, na fu unrhyw newid grym yn y lle hwn. Ac mae'r Ceidwadwyr yn dweud pa mor wych y gallai datganoli fod pe bai gennym Lywodraeth Geidwadol, ond sut y bydd hynny byth yn digwydd pan ddywed Plaid Cymru na fyddant byth yn gweithio gyda chi? Os na fyddwch yn gweithio i gyflwyno Llywodraeth amgen, ni cheir newid grym, a chyfeirir anhapusrwydd a siom pobl ynglŷn â gwleidyddiaeth yn naturiol at y sefydliad, wedi'i ychwanegu at y tair blynedd a hanner o geisio atal Brexit. Ac rydym yn clywed o hyd am refferendwm 2011, ond yr hyn a ddywedodd oedd: pŵer deddfu llawn mewn 20 maes datganoledig. Ac roedd y system a'i rhagflaenai'n eithaf hurt ac nid oedd yn gwneud unrhyw synnwyr i neb. Do, fe bleidleisiodd Cymru o blaid hynny, ond wedyn fe newidioch chi hynny i fod yn fodel pwerau a gadwyd yn ôl, gan ddatganoli'r holl bwerau ac eithrio mewn meysydd a gadwyd yn ôl i San Steffan, ac yn benodol, roedd gennych ddatganiad ar y papur pleidleisio a ddywedai na all y Cynulliad ddeddfu ar drethi beth bynnag fyddai canlyniad y bleidlais hon. Yn 2014, roeddwn yn AS a bleidleisiodd eto yn San Steffan i ddeddfu ar gyfer hynny. Ond yn 2017, ar ôl sefyll yn 2015 a 2016 ar faniffesto o barchu hynny, fe wnaethoch ei wrthdroi, ni chawsoch y refferendwm, a gorfodwyd pwerau codi trethi ar Gymru. Rwy'n credu bod pris i'w dalu am hynny.