English: No, we absolutely did and my point, David, was that it's up to us to decide that and if your colleagues want to seek further time, they've got other opportunities to do that, but it's up to us how we use that time. So I'm not taking any lessons on it. But that's not the main substantive point. I need to make a correction to my colleague Leanne Wood, because she said that I wrote the legislation to which she referred. That's not true. I supported the then Minister, Edwina Hart, in writing that legislation, but I do know what it contains. The Government either knows or it should know that the legislation that they referred to, the National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006, has been, and was during the time of the One Wales Government, amended. I want to remind Members of the tone of that debate at the time when we made those decisions. There was a legitimate debate about whether the health service should be managed by arm's-length bodies, like the old trusts, or whether it should be directly accountable to the democratic process. It was a legitimate debate, and I will quote what the Minister said at the time. During the course of that debate, Edwina Hart said that she fully understood the case for arm's length, which is what the Government amendment is suggesting, but this is what she said: the decisions about health need to be made by the people that people can sack, and those are the politicians. I am not disputing the point that, now this process has begun, the point at which the Minister might be able to intervene is after a decision is made one way or the other, but the context of this is that the Welsh Government appoints all the non-executive directors of the health boards. The Welsh Government sets its budget, the Welsh Government sets the policy context within which it operates, and it is simply disingenuous to say that this is a matter for the health board in isolation. It is not. The Government needs to take responsibility. Leanne Wood said that there is a tendency to centralise these emergency services. If that needs to be done, then let it be done, but let it be done openly and honestly and let the people who are responsible take the responsibility for those decisions. People have made comments here and outside about playing politics with the NHS. Well, Dirprwy Lywydd, the NHS exists because of politics. The NHS is a political decision and, at the time of the One Wales Government, we made a very clear commitment to the people of Wales that the Government, whatever Government it was, would stop hiding behind the semi-independent trusts, that we took out the market mechanism and we created the larger health boards, and those health boards are directly answerable to the Government. Now, you can dress it up whichever way you like, you can quote outdated legislation if that's what you want to do -
Welsh: Na, fe wnaethom hynny a fy mhwynt i, David, oedd mai mater i ni yw penderfynu hynny ac os yw eich cyd-Aelodau am gael mwy o amser, mae ganddynt gyfleoedd eraill i wneud hynny, ond mater i ni yw sut rydym yn defnyddio'r amser hwnnw. Felly nid wyf am dderbyn unrhyw wersi ar hynny. Ond nid dyna'r prif bwynt. Mae angen imi gywiro fy nghyd-Aelod, Leanne Wood, oherwydd dywedodd mai fi a ysgrifennodd y ddeddfwriaeth y cyfeiriodd ati. Nid yw hynny'n wir. Cynorthwyais y Gweinidog ar y pryd, Edwina Hart, i ysgrifennu'r ddeddfwriaeth honno, ond gwn beth y mae'n ei gynnwys. Mae'r Llywodraeth naill ai'n gwybod neu dylai wybod bod y ddeddfwriaeth y cyfeirioch chi ati, sef Deddf y Gwasanaeth Iechyd Gwladol (Cymru) 2006, wedi'i diwygio, a digwyddodd hynny yn ystod cyfnod Llywodraeth Cymru'n Un. Rwyf am atgoffa'r Aelodau am gywair y ddadl ar yr adeg y gwnaethom y penderfyniadau hynny. Cafwyd dadl ddilys ynglŷn ag a ddylai'r gwasanaeth iechyd gael ei reoli gan gyrff hyd braich, fel yr hen ymddiriedolaethau, neu a ddylai fod yn uniongyrchol atebol i'r broses ddemocrataidd. Roedd yn ddadl ddilys, a dyfynnaf yr hyn a ddywedodd y Gweinidog ar y pryd. Yn ystod y ddadl honno, dywedodd Edwina Hart ei bod yn deall yn iawn yr achos o blaid cyrff hyd braich, sef yr hyn y mae gwelliant y Llywodraeth yn ei awgrymu, ond dyma a ddywedodd: mae angen i'r penderfyniadau am iechyd gael eu gwneud gan y bobl y gall pobl eu diswyddo, sef y gwleidyddion. Gan fod y broses hon wedi dechrau bellach, nid wyf yn gwadu'r pwynt mai'r adeg y gallai'r Gweinidog ymyrryd o bosibl yw ar ôl gwneud penderfyniad y naill ffordd neu'r llall, ond cyd-destun hyn yw bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn penodi holl gyfarwyddwyr anweithredol y byrddau iechyd. Llywodraeth Cymru sy'n pennu'r gyllideb, Llywodraeth Cymru sy'n gosod y cyd-destun polisi y mae'n gweithredu o'i fewn, ac mae'n gwbl ffuantus i ddweud bod hwn yn fater i'r bwrdd iechyd ar ei ben ei hun. Nid yw hynny'n wir. Mae angen i'r Llywodraeth gymryd cyfrifoldeb. Dywedodd Leanne Wood fod tuedd i ganoli'r gwasanaethau brys hyn. Os oes angen gwneud hynny, gadewch iddo gael ei wneud, ond gadewch iddo gael ei wneud mewn modd agored a gonest a gadael i'r bobl sy'n gyfrifol ysgwyddo'r cyfrifoldeb am y penderfyniadau hynny. Mae pobl wedi gwneud sylwadau yma a thu allan am chwarae gwleidyddiaeth gyda'r GIG. Wel, Ddirprwy Lywydd, mae'r GIG yn bodoli oherwydd gwleidyddiaeth. Mae'r GIG yn benderfyniad gwleidyddol ac ar adeg Llywodraeth Cymru'n Un, gwnaethom ymrwymiad clir iawn i bobl Cymru y byddai'r Llywodraeth, o ba liw bynnag, yn rhoi'r gorau i guddio y tu ôl i'r ymddiriedolaethau lled-annibynnol, ein bod wedi tynnu mecanwaith y farchnad allan ac wedi creu'r byrddau iechyd mwy o faint, ac mae'r byrddau iechyd hynny'n uniongyrchol atebol i'r Llywodraeth. Nawr, gallwch ei wisgo i fyny pa ffordd bynnag y dymunwch, gallwch ddyfynnu deddfwriaeth sydd wedi dyddio os mai dyna rydych chi am ei wneud -