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English: Well, in my evidence, I think I do refer to the fact that people don't often consider themselves to be in fuel poverty, but the news of certainly higher living costs will highlight this issue and hopefully will encourage people to come forward. I think any successor scheme needs to take account of financial inclusion too, and also provide advice on how to make the best use of your home. Certainly, in housing services, we do provide financial inclusion support, and support for applying for benefits, both practically and working with Citizens Advice. We also have a suite of tools to help people to access benefits, because I think fuel poverty is just one aspect of this - there are many other factors too that we could help with. So, I think any scheme needs to include a lot more than simple assessments of homes - you have to take the person with you too.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl fy mod i yn cyfeirio yn fy ymateb efallai nad ydy pobl yn aml iawn yn cysidro eu hunain i fod mewn tlodi tanwydd, ond yn sicr mae'r holl newyddion ar gostau byw uwch yn mynd i dynnu sylw pobl at hyn, a gobeithio ei fod yn mynd i annog pobl i ddod ymlaen. Dwi'n meddwl bod angen i'r cynllun i'r dyfodol fod yn ystyried financial inclusion hefyd, a hefyd gyngor ar sut i wneud y defnydd gorau o'ch cartref. Yn sicr, o fewn gwasanaethau tai, rydym ni'n cynnig financial inclusion, cymorth i bobl gael at fudd-daliadau, cymorth ymarferol, a hefyd rydym ni'n gweithio efo Citizens Advice. Mae gennym ni hefyd swyddfa o dwls i helpu bobl i gael mynediad at fudd-dal, achos dwi'n meddwl mai jest un agwedd ydy tlodi tanwydd - mae yna nifer o bethau eraill yn mynd ymlaen hefyd y gallem ni fod yn helpu efo. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod angen i gynllun fod yn cynnwys lot mwy na jest mesurau oer, os liciwch chi, o newid yn y tŷ - mae'n rhaid mynd â'r person efo chi hefyd.
English: And, clearly, in terms of income, we do know that Nest and Arbed were targeted or only available to those on means-tested benefits, and we know that many people, particularly in more rural areas, aren't eligible, although they are living in fuel poverty. So, in terms of the eligibility criteria, what would you like to see included in any future scheme? What criteria do you think would be most useful?
Welsh: Ac, yn amlwg, o ran incwm, rŷn ni'n gwybod bod Nest ac Arbed wedi'u targedu, neu roeddech chi ond yn gymwys ar gyfer y cynlluniau hynny os oeddech chi ar fuddion prawf modd, ac rŷn ni'n gwybod bod llawer o bobl, yn enwedig mewn ardaloedd mwy gwledig, ddim yn gymwys, er eu bod nhw mewn tlodi tanwydd. Felly, o ran y mesuriadau rŷn ni'n eu defnyddio i wybod bod rhywun yn gymwys, beth hoffech chi ei weld o ran hynny mewn unrhyw gynllun yn y dyfodol? Pa fesur ŷch chi'n meddwl fyddai'n fwyaf defnyddiol?
English: Well, income has to be a consideration, and low income - not simply being on benefits. We must also encourage landlords to work with us. I think, as I mentioned in my evidence, that private sector housing might be in a poorer state than social housing these days, and it is difficult to work with landlords because we do need to encourage them to make improvements, but there is no financial incentive at the moment for them to do that because a tenant may be paying rent and paying costs, but not buying other things. So, we have to work with landlords and identify what will work for them too.
Welsh: Mae incwm, dwi'n meddwl, yn gorfod bod yn ystyriaeth, ac incwm isel - dim jest bod ar fudd-daliadau. Hefyd, mae'n rhaid i ni annog landlordiaid i weithio efo ni. Dwi'n meddwl, fel roeddwn i'n sôn yn fy mhapur, fod tai sector breifat, efallai, mewn cyflwr gwaeth nag ydy tai cymdeithasol erbyn hyn, ac mae'n anodd gweithio efo landlordiaid achos rydym ni angen eu hannog nhw i wella eu tai a does yna ddim byd ariannol ar hyn o bryd i'w helpu nhw neu yn eu hannog nhw i wneud achos mae tenant yn byw ac, efallai, yn talu rhent ac, efallai, ddim yn prynu pethau eraill. Felly, mae'n rhaid inni weithio efo landlordiaid ac adnabod beth sy'n mynd i weithio iddyn nhw hefyd.
English: Thank you. Matthew, do you have anything to add on that, in terms of how any successor programme should address the direct need that we're currently facing?
Welsh: Diolch. Matthew, oes gennych chi rywbeth i'w ychwanegu ar hynny, o ran sut dylai unrhyw gynllun olynol nawr fynd i'r afael â'r angen uniongyrchol rŷn ni'n ei wynebu ar hyn o bryd?
English: Thank you. You mentioned advice and so on, and I think you, Elliw, also referred to the way people are introduced to these services and this support. So, what changes would you want to see in terms of the advice and signposting provided by any successor programme, particularly, perhaps, in supporting those with complex needs? We heard in an earlier evidence session about people throwing in the towel or not taking up the support that they need because the expectations placed on them, and the lack of support, were too much for them. So, I'd like to know on a practical level what your view is on that. What needs to improve there?
Welsh: Diolch. Rŷch chi'n sôn yn fanna am gyngor ac yn y blaen, ac mi wnaethoch chi, Elliw, hefyd gyfeirio at sut mae pobl yn dod at y gwasanaethau neu'r cymorth yma. Pa newidiadau fyddech chi eisiau eu gweld o ran y cyngor a'r math o gyfeirio sy'n cael ei ddarparu gan gynllun neu raglen olynol, yn enwedig, efallai, i gefnogi pobl sydd ag anghenion cymhleth? Fe glywon ni, mewn sesiwn dystiolaeth yn gynharach, ynglŷn â phobl yn rhoi'r gorau neu ddim yn cymryd y gefnogaeth neu'r cymorth sydd ei angen oherwydd bod y gofynion arnyn nhw, a'r diffyg cefnogaeth, yn ormodol. Hoffwn i wybod yn ymarferol beth yw'ch barn chi ar hynny. Beth sydd angen ei wella o ran hynny?
English: Yes, my response will be quite limited here, because, as I said, we refer people on to Nest. Certainly, people have heard of it, so it has been a success in terms of the promotion of the programme. Unfortunately, I don't know, as I said, what the process is once people actually contact Nest. I would hope that it could be made more streamlined. But again, as Nest was seen as a national programme, it has been promoted by the Welsh Government, and that was successful. I don't think there's been too much questioning of Nest, because they know what it is, and they can refer to it. We need to build on that. So, I can only give those comments from a certain perspective.
Welsh: Ie, dwi'n meddwl bod fy ymateb i am fod ychydig bach yn gyfyng ar hwn, achos, fel roeddwn i'n sôn, rydyn ni'n cyfeirio pobl ymlaen at Nyth. Yn sicr, mae pobl wedi clywed am Nyth, felly mae wedi bod llwyddiant yn hyrwyddo'r cynllun. Yn anffodus, dwi ddim yn gwybod, fel roeddwn i'n sôn, beth ydy'r broses unwaith y mae pobl yn ffonio i fyny neu gysylltu efo Nyth. Buaswn i'n gobeithio bod yna fodd i'w wneud o'n fwy streamlined. Ond eto, gan fod Nyth yn cael ei weld fel cynllun cenedlaethol, mae wedi cael ei hyrwyddo gan Lywodraeth Cymru, ac mae hynna wedi bod yn llwyddiant. Dwi ddim yn meddwl bod neb dwi wedi'i weld yn cwestiynu Nyth, achos maen nhw'n gwybod beth ydy o, ac maen nhw'n gallu cyfeirio ato fo. Mae'n rhaid adeiladu ar hynny. Felly, fedraf i ddim ond rhoi sylwadau o'r safbwynt hwnnw, mae gen i ofn.
English: Thank you. Matthew, anything you wanted to add?
Welsh: Diolch. Matthew, oes gennych chi rywbeth rydych chi eisiau ei ychwanegu?
English: Okay, thank you. Thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Iawn. Diolch yn fawr. Diolch, Cadeirydd.
English: Thank you, Chair. Good afternoon, Elliw and Matthew. I wanted to follow on from Sioned's questions and look at the effectiveness of the area-based scheme. I'm a little nervous in asking Elliw about this, but I wanted to focus on what would be effective for a successor programme as we look to the future in terms of a replacement for Arbed. Now, do you think that focusing on and working with local authorities would be an effective way forward? Also, are there other partners that could be included in this work for the future? If I could ask Elliw first.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd. Prynhawn da, Elliw, a Matthew hefyd. Dwi eisiau dilyn ymlaen o beth mae Sioned wedi bod yn gofyn, ynglŷn â'r dull ar sail ardal. Dwi'n teimlo tipyn bach yn nerfus yn gofyn i Elliw am hyn, a dweud y gwir, ond, ie, jest i ganolbwyntio ar beth fydd yn effeithiol i'r rhaglen nesaf wrth i ni edrych ymlaen at y dyfodol a rhaglen a fydd yn lle Arbed. Ydych chi'n meddwl bod canolbwyntio ar a gweithio efo awdurdodau lleol yn effeithiol? Hefyd, oes yna bartneriaid eraill y gallem ni eu cynnwys yn y gwaith yn edrych ymlaen? Gaf i ofyn i Elliw yn gyntaf, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: Thank you. Yes, some Arbed schemes have been working closely with councils and housing associations, and I think it's true to say that economies of scale have been brought about as a result of that. What I mean is that, in an area where there was a cluster of homes identified, it was then possible to work with the housing association or a council that holds stock to take advantage of a programme where the council and the housing association could improve the quality of those homes. Obviously, they had their planned programmes anyway, and it didn't detract from those; it was seen as more of a scheme and a better fit within the community, in that it didn't simply target one home or one specific area. So, I do think that that has worked well in the past. That's one of the challenges, in a way: the housing associations are available, we as a local authority are available to provide support, you have Citizens Advice, you have the third sector, we have Medrwn Môn, who all need to be part of this, because when the letter arrives and says, well, there's potentially a scheme available, as I said, it's the council that people phone. You need the other partners to be promoting this, too, because we need to reach everyone, of course, and to give everyone the best possible opportunity to be part of these programmes.
Welsh: Diolch. Ie, mae rhai cynlluniau Arbed wedi bod yn gweithio'n agos iawn efo cynghorau a chymdeithasau tai, a dwi'n meddwl ei fod e'n wir i ddweud bod yna economies of scale wedi dwyn ffrwyth efo hynny. Beth dwi'n ei feddwl ydy, mewn ardal lle roedd yna glwstwr o dai wedi cael eu hadnabod, mi oedd yna wedyn fodd o weithio efo cymdeithas dai neu gyngor sydd efo'i stoc i gymryd mantais o gynllun lle roedd y cyngor a'r gymdeithas dai yn gallu gwella ansawdd y tai. Yn amlwg, roedd ganddyn nhw eu rhaglen cynllunedig beth bynnag, a doedd o ddim yn tynnu oddi ar hynny; roedd o jest yn cael ei weld fel mwy o gynllun ac yn ffit well o fewn y gymdeithas fod o ddim yn targedu un tŷ neu un ardal benodol, fel petai. Felly, dwi'n meddwl bod hynny wedi gweithio yn dda yn y gorffennol. Dyna un o'r heriau, mewn ffordd: mae'r cymdeithasau tai ar gael, rydyn ni fel awdurdod lleol ar gael i fod yn cynorthwyo, mae gennych chi Citizens Advice, mae gennych chi'r trydydd sector, mae gennym ni Medrwn Môn, eto i gyd, sydd angen bod yn rhan o hwn, achos pan fydd y llythyr yn cyrraedd ac yn dweud potentially fod yna gynllun ar gael, fel roeddwn i'n sôn, y cyngor mae pobl yn ffonio. Rydych chi angen hefyd partneriaid eraill i fod yn ei annog o hefyd, achos mae angen cyrraedd pawb a gwneud y cyfle gorau i bawb fod yn rhan o'r cynllun, a dweud y gwir.
English: Thank you very much. And Matthew too.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. A Matthew hefyd.
English: Thank you very much. Could I ask one further question focused on skills within councils? And it's wonderful to have you here from Anglesey today, Elliw. What kinds of skills are important within local authorities for us to ensure that we do have an effective programme for the future? Just a brief response, if you would. Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. A gaf i jest ofyn un cwestiwn arall? Jest canolbwyntio ar sgiliau a beth sydd gan gynghorau, ac Elliw, mae'n grêt bod chi yma heddiw o Ynys Môn. Pa fath o sgiliau a phethau sy'n bwysig i'w cael mewn cynghorau ac awdurdodau lleol i ni wneud yn siŵr bod yna raglen sy'n effeithiol yn y dyfodol? Jest ateb byr, os yw hynny'n iawn. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
English: I'm afraid you need a range of skills. You need engagement skills, you need to promote the programme, you need access to data, you need project management skills, you need reporting. You need a little bit of everything as part of this, and that's what I was saying earlier: because of a lack of resource and a lack of revenue, then it is seen as, 'Well, the council's there, they'll do this', but there are so many different elements to this, and it does need to be project managed, to all intents and purposes.
Welsh: Mae gen i ofn bod angen amrediad o sgiliau. Rydych chi eisiau ymgysylltu, rydych chi eisiau hyrwyddo'r cynllun, rydych chi angen cael mynediad at ddata, rydych chi eisiau project manejio fo, rydych chi eisiau riportio. Rydych chi eisiau ychydig bach o bob dim yn rhan o hyn, a dyna oeddwn i'n ddweud: oherwydd diffyg adnodd, diffyg refeniw, mae o'n cael ei weld fel, 'O ia, mae'r cyngor ar gael, mi wnawn nhw wneud hyn', ond mae yna gymaint yn rhan o hyn a chymaint o elfennau gwahanol sydd angen eu project 'manage-io', i bob pwrpas.
English: Thank you very much, Elliw, and Matthew, I don't know if you would have any comment on this. Is there anything you'd like to add?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Elliw, a Matthew, dwi ddim yn siŵr os ydych chi eisiau ychwanegu at hynny os oes yna rywbeth arall.
English: Thank you, Chair.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn, Cadeirydd.
English: We're fortunate to have Rent Smart Wales and I would encourage any future plan to work closely with Rent Smart Wales. Very often, we as a local authority can have relations with landlords. We do hold fora, and so on, but you can imagine that the landlords are those who want to be part of that and are interested in improving the situation of their tenants. What we don't have access to is those landlords who rent homes and increase rents, and aren't particularly concerned about how tenants are able to pay their bills, and so on. Again, I think there is scope for us to be promoting the programme, and there must be a benefit to the landlord. Unless the landlord sees the benefits of making improvements to a property, then I don't see why they would choose to participate. And from my experience, we are targeting the tenant rather than also targeting the owner of the property.
Welsh: Rydyn ni'n ffodus o gael Rent Smart Wales a buaswn i'n annog bod unrhyw gynllun i'r dyfodol yn cydweithio'n agos iawn efo Rent Smart Wales. Yn aml, rydyn ni'n gallu gwneud cysylltiad fel awdurdod lleol efo landlordiaid. Rydyn ni'n cynnal fforymau, ond fel y gallwch chi ddychmygu, y landlordiaid sydd eisiau bod yn rhan, ac efallai sydd efo diddordeb mewn gwella'r sefyllfa i denantiaid, sy'n rhan o'r rheini. Beth dydyn ni ddim yn gallu ei gael ydy'r landlordiaid yna sydd yn rhentu tai ac yn codi rhent yn uwch, ac efallai ddim yn poeni wedyn sut y bydd tenantiaid yn talu eu biliau, ac ati. Eto, dwi'n meddwl bod yna le i ni fod yn hyrwyddo'r cynllun, ac mae'n rhaid cael budd i'r landlord. Os nad ydy'r landlord yn gweld budd o wella eiddo, yna dydw i ddim yn gweld pam fuasen nhw eisiau cymryd rhan mewn cynllun. Ac o fy mhrofiad i, beth dwi wedi ei weld ydy ein bod ni'n targedu'r person sy'n byw yn y tŷ, yn hytrach nag efallai weithiau hefyd targedu'r person sydd biau'r tŷ.
English: I think that we would need to introduce it through Rent Smart Wales or something, because we do have a system now where landlords must be registered. We would have to look to expand how we undertake enforcement, and then how we collaborate with environmental health too, because, very often, they would be acting on that. But, for me, as there is already the Rent Smart Wales system in place, and there is a registration process, then that is going to assist with enforcement.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl buasai'n rhaid inni ddod â fo i mewn drwy Rent Smart Wales neu rywbeth, gan fod gennym ni drefn ar hyn o bryd lle mae'n rhaid i landlord gofrestru. Buasai'n rhaid inni edrych i ehangu sut rydym ni'n gwneud gorfodaeth, a wedyn sut rydym ni wedyn yn cydweithio efo iechyd yr amgylchedd gan, yn aml iawn, nhw fuasai efallai'n gweithredu wedyn ar hynny. Ond, i mi, gan fod yna system Rent Smart Wales yn barod, ac mae yna ddull o gofrestru, mae honno'n ffordd o orfodi.
English: I think working in a rural area is a challenge in and of itself. The houses may be individual properties, they may be older and very different to what you would find in a town or even in a village. So, it's very difficult to target this, and it's difficult to have an area-based approach. So, that's where we need further work to see, if one is targeting fuel poverty, what that would mean in a rural area. Because there are so many things that will impact an individual living in a rural area. Transport, access to public services - all of this is relevant here. So, as a county that is part rural in Ynys Môn, and having had Arbed in place in a rural area, I think it's fair to say that it has been a challenge. Because you don't know the age of the property until you arrive and carry out full assessments, and you don't necessarily know what the habits of the individual living there might be. Because people's practices in rural areas might be very different to those living in urban areas and what use they make of their property. So, I think there are huge challenges facing rural areas, but there is a means to work with these areas and with other organisations to encourage people to participate.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl bod gweithio o fewn ardal wledig yn her yn ei hun. Mae'r tai yn dai unigol, efallai yn hŷn ac yn dipyn gwahanol i beth fuasech chi'n ei gael mewn tref neu hyd yn oed pentref. Felly, mae o'n anodd iawn targedu, ac efallai ei fod yn anodd cael cynllun sydd yn area based. So, felly, dyna lle mae angen gwaith pellach i'w weld, os ydy rhywun yn targedu fuel poverty, beth mae hynny'n ei olygu mewn ardal wledig. Achos mae yna gymaint o bethau wedyn yn effeithio ar berson sy'n byw mewn ardal wledig. Mae trafnidiaeth, mae mynediad i wasanaethau cyhoeddus i gyd yn dod i fewn iddo fo. Felly, fel sir sydd yn gallu bod yn wledig yn Ynys Môn, ac wedi cael Arbed mewn ardal wledig, dwi'n meddwl y buasai fo'n deg i ddweud ei fod wedi bod yn her. Achos dydych chi ddim yn gwybod beth ydy oed yr adeilad tan eich bod chi'n mynd yno i'w weld o a gwneud asesiadau llawn ohono fo, nac ychwaith yn gwybod beth ydy arferion y person sy'n byw yna. Achos efallai fod arferion pobl mewn ardaloedd gwledig yn wahanol iawn i rywun sy'n byw mewn tref a sut maen nhw'n defnyddio eu cartref. Felly, mae yna heriau mawr, dwi'n meddwl, yn wynebu ardal wledig, ond eto mae yna fodd i weithio efo ardaloedd ac i weithio efo mudiadau wedyn i annog pobl i gymryd rhan.
English: I would imagine that it would be an issue. To be honest, I hadn't realised that that was a condition of Nest. As I mentioned, we promote the programme; we inform people of its availability, and, once they're in the system, then we don't know if they were unsuccessful because they didn't meet the criteria. So, certainly, it would have an impact.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n dychmygu ei fod o, ac mae'n rhaid i mi gyfaddef, doeddwn i ddim wedi sylwi bod hynny'n amod o Nyth. Fel roeddwn i'n sôn, rydym ni'n hyrwyddo'r cynllun; rydym ni'n dweud ei fod o ar gael i bobl, ac unwaith maen nhw mewn wedyn yn y system, doedden ni ddim yn gwybod os oeddwn nhw'n cael eu taflu allan achos doedden nhw ddim yn cyrraedd y meini prawf. Felly, ydy, yn sicr, mae'n mynd i effeithio.
English: Yes, I'm sure it could have been quite challenging for some people, and if it is - . I saw one response that a room had to be cleared before works could happen, and then, clearly, there are impacts once that work is done. That should perhaps be considered because it would encourage more people to participate, but, if one is living in a private household, whose responsibility would it be to decorate? Would you expect a landlord to do that? And is there then an incentive for the landlord to do that painting, or do you give the tenant a voucher, and then they can decorate as they would like? There are many different permutations to that kind of approach. And you would have to take that individual through the process and explain what's available and what isn't available. So, informing people of what they can't do is just as important as telling them what they can do.
Welsh: Ie, dwi'n siŵr ei fod o wedi bod yn reit heriol i rai pobl gael mesurau, ac os ydy o - . Roeddwn i'n gweld ymateb un bod yn rhaid clirio ystafell neu rywbeth cyn i waith ddigwydd, ac, yn amlwg, mae yna effaith wedyn ar ôl i waith gymryd lle. Mi fuasai angen efallai ystyried hynny achos mae hynny wedyn yn annog y person i gymryd rhan, ond wedyn, os ydy rhywun yn byw mewn tŷ preifat, cyfrifoldeb pwy fydd o wedyn i beintio? Fuasech chi'n disgwyl i landlord fod yn gwneud hynny? Ac, felly, ydy'r anogaeth yn eistedd hefo'r landlord wedyn i fod yn peintio, neu ydych chi'n rhoi voucher i'r tenant, a'u bod nhw'n cael peintio fo wedyn fel maen nhw eisiau? Dwi'n meddwl bod yna lot o permutations mewn rhywbeth felly. Ac mae'n rhaid mynd â'r person drwy'r broses hefyd, a dweud beth sydd ar gael a beth sydd ddim ar gael. Mae hefyd dweud beth dydych chi ddim yn gallu ei wneud yr un mor bwysig â dweud beth rydych chi'n gallu ei wneud.
English: Yes, just a few points in terms of the practicalities. As I mentioned, if someone is referred to Nest by the council, we don't know what the outcome of that is, and therefore we don't know what happens, in a way. And likewise with Arbed, sometimes we were only informed if somebody wasn't part of a scheme, and they would approach us and ask us why. But we didn't know why they weren't included. And if you look at it from a social justice perspective, as I mentioned earlier, private rented accommodation is sometimes worst affected, and people might have no choice but to rent. And therefore, by default, they will be in lower quality housing, which will be colder, and they won't have that income. And as Matt mentioned, perhaps asylum seekers, refugees, those on lower incomes tend to go into the private sector because social housing or purchasing a home isn't an option for them at that time.
Welsh: Ie, jest ychydig o bwyntiau o ran yr ochr ymarferol. Fel roeddwn i'n sôn, os ydy rhywun yn cael ei gyfeirio mewn i Nyth gan y cyngor, dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth ydy allbwn hynny wedyn. Felly, dydyn ni ddim yn gwybod beth sy'n digwydd, mewn ffordd. Ac Arbed yr un fath - weithiau roeddem ni ddim ond yn cael gwybod os oedd rhywun ddim yn rhan o gynllun, ac roedden nhw'n dod atom ni, eisiau gwybod pam nad oedden nhw'n rhan o gynllun. Wel, eto, doedden ni ddim yn gwybod pam nad oedden nhw'n gallu bod. Ac os ydych chi'n edrych arno fo o social justice perspective, fel roeddem ni'n sôn gynnau, mae tai preifat yn cael eu heffeithio fwyaf, ac weithiau does gan berson ddim dewis ond rhentu, oherwydd eu sefyllfa nhw, ac felly, by default, maen nhw am fod efallai mewn tai israddol, sydd am fod yn oerach, heb yr incwm yna i allu eu cefnogi nhw. Ac fel roedd Matt yn sôn, efallai fod asylum seekers, refugees, pobl ar incwm is yn tueddu i fynd wedyn i'r sector breifat achos nad ydy tai cymdeithasol neu brynu tŷ yn opsiwn ar y pryd.
English: Yes, I think that certainly could work, but what we'll have to recognise is that the costs will be higher, and therefore the amount of support provided may be less. We mentioned earlier the cost of working in rural areas, based on current measures; we're not talking there of air-source heat pumps and other future measures. So, the costs will be a lot higher.
Welsh: Ie, dwi'n credu y buasai hynny'n gallu gweithio, ond beth fydd yn rhaid cydnabod ydy y bydd y costau'n uwch, ac felly efallai fydd nifer y mesurau sy'n cael eu rhoi i mewn yn llai, felly. Roedden ni'n sôn gynnau am beth ydy'r gost o wneud gwaith mewn ardal wledig, a hynny, efallai, ar fesurau rŵan; dŷn ni ddim yn sôn am air-source heat pumps a phob math o fesurau i'r dyfodol. Felly, mi fydd y gost yn llawer iawn uwch.
English: Good afternoon. I am Catrin Edwards, head of external affairs with Carers Trust Wales.
Welsh: Prynhawn da. Catrin Edwards ydw i, pennaeth materion allanol gydag Ymddiriedolaeth Gofalwyr Cymru.