English: Thank you. Corporate parenting is all our responsibility, so I completely share David Melding and Helen Mary's comments on this matter. Last night, I attended a dinner organised by the faculty of sexual and reproductive healthcare, along with my colleagues Julie Morgan and Angela Burns. It was done on the Chatham House rule where everything remained in the room, but I was really shocked to hear that in one local authority in Wales nearly all of the care-experienced children come from 10 families, and that's because we've failed to provide the service that we need to to ensure that people don't go on simply having more children. So, I was very pleased to see that you're now going to have regional Reflect services, because that's what these services are about; it's not supporting families to get their child that's been removed back, but enabling them to reflect on the reasons why that child was taken into care in the first place. I'm less impressed by your description of it as a 'popular' service. I want to know whether it's an effective service. I think that it very much depends on the quality of the outreach to ensure that those who most need such a service are actually getting it, rather than abandoning them to just going on having more and more children, with a vicious cycle. I was interested to see the research that's been done on placements and the positive outcomes, but of 42 pupils in the school where I'm a governor, which I'm afraid is the highest in Wales, already three have had a change of placement, but, I'm glad to say, not a change of school. So, at least there is some continuity and stability in their lives that can be provided at the school. I think that another thing that's been very important in terms of preventative and joined-up social work is that having a social worker located at the school has enabled them to access important information about the background of the young person in a timely fashion, without in any way breaching data protection rules. So, I think that we need to do a lot more of that sort of thing. I appreciate that you're going to allocate £15 million more to reduce the need for children to be in care, but we have to recognise that we are an outlier at the moment - 95 per 10,000 pupils/children versus 62 to 10,000 in England - so, there's no room for complacency in this. I think that we simply have to - . The importance of the school, it seems to me, was reflected in Kirsty Williams's statement about the importance of well-being, just as much as academic achievement, and celebrating the work that's done by schools. So, I think that the national outcomes framework, as part of the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Act 2014, has only got one indicator in relation to care-experienced children, relating to the external qualifications they get when they're 16. I think there needs to be further indicators of the type of really specialist work that schools can do to really contribute to that. Being in care is an adverse childhood experience; it couldn't possibly be otherwise. So, the numerically small numbers we have surely means we should be ensuring that all those young people are getting proper access to mental health services and counselling services to enable them to process the trauma that they have suffered. I absolutely think that we need to be ensuring in all local authorities that all these young people are getting those services they need, or they are going to end up being parents of care-experienced children themselves, and that is the vicious circle we've got to breach. Otherwise, it's going to cost local authorities money we simply don't have, because the investigation that was done by a national newspaper about the level of cost for very specialist care - £7,000 a week - and the real concerns about auctioning of vulnerable children - . Obviously, we have to put a stop to that and we need to get to the bottom of ensuring that we are reducing the numbers and that those who are care experienced are not themselves going to lose their own children.
Welsh: Diolch. Mae rhianta corfforaethol yn gyfrifoldeb ar bob un ohonom ni, felly rwyf i'n cytuno'n llwyr â sylwadau David Melding a Helen Mary ar y mater hwn. Neithiwr, bûm mewn cinio a drefnwyd gan y gyfadran gofal iechyd rhywiol ac atgenhedlu, ynghyd â'm cyd-Aelodau Julie Morgan ac Angela Burns. Gwnaed hynny o dan reol Chatham House pryd yr oedd popeth yn aros yn yr ystafell, ond cefais fy syfrdanu'n wirioneddol o glywed, mewn un awdurdod lleol yng Nghymru, bod bron bob un o'r plant a oedd â phrofiad o ofal yn dod o 10 teulu, ac mae hynny oherwydd ein bod ni wedi methu â darparu'r gwasanaeth sydd ei angen i sicrhau nad yw pobl yn mynd ymlaen i gael mwy o blant. Felly, roeddwn i'n falch iawn o weld eich bod nawr yn mynd i gael gwasanaethau Reflect rhanbarthol, oherwydd dyna beth yw'r gwasanaethau hyn; nid yw'n ymwneud â chefnogi teuluoedd i gael eu plentyn a symudwyd o'i gartref, yn ôl, ond eu galluogi i ystyried y rhesymau pam y rhoddwyd y plentyn hwnnw mewn gofal yn y lle cyntaf. Nid wyf i'n meddwl llawer o'ch disgrifiad ohono fel gwasanaeth 'poblogaidd'. Yr hyn yr wyf i eisiau ei wybod yw a yw'r gwasanaeth yn effeithiol. Rwy'n credu ei fod yn dibynnu llawer iawn ar ansawdd yr allgymorth i sicrhau bod y rhai sydd angen y gwasanaeth fwyaf, mewn gwirionedd, yn ei gael, yn hytrach na throi cefn arnyn nhw a gadael iddyn nhw gael mwy a mwy o blant, mewn cylch dieflig. Roedd yn ddiddorol gweld yr ymchwil a wnaed ar leoliadau a'r canlyniadau cadarnhaol, ond allan o 42 o ddisgyblion yn yr ysgol lle'r wyf i'n llywodraethwr, sydd, rwy'n ofni yr uchaf yng Nghymru, mae tri wedi newid lleoliad eisoes, ond, rwy'n falch o ddweud, nid newid ysgol. Felly, o leiaf ceir rhywfaint o gysondeb a sefydlogrwydd yn eu bywydau y gellir eu darparu yn yr ysgol. Rwy'n credu mai'r peth arall sydd wedi bod yn bwysig iawn o ran gwaith cymdeithasol cydgysylltiedig ac ataliol yw bod cael gweithiwr cymdeithasol wedi ei leoli yn yr ysgol wedi ei alluogi i gael gafael ar wybodaeth bwysig am gefndir y person ifanc mewn modd amserol, heb mewn unrhyw ffordd dorri rheolau diogelu data. Felly, rwy'n credu bod angen inni wneud llawer mwy o'r math hwn o beth. Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi'r ffaith eich bod yn mynd i ddyrannu £15 miliwn mwy i leihau'r angen i blant fod mewn gofal, ond mae'n rhaid inni gydnabod ein bod ar wahân ar hyn o bryd - 95 ymhob 10,000 o ddisgyblion/plant o'i gymharu â 62 ymhob 10,000 yn Lloegr - felly, nid oes lle i laesu dwylo yn hyn o beth. Rwy'n credu bod yn rhaid i ni - . Cafodd pwysigrwydd yr ysgol, mae'n ymddangos i mi, ei adlewyrchu yn natganiad Kirsty Williams am bwysigrwydd llesiant, sydd yr un mor bwysig â chyflawni'n academaidd, a dathlu gwaith a wneir gan ysgolion. Felly, rwy'n credu bod gan y fframwaith canlyniadau cenedlaethol fel rhan o Ddeddf Gwasanaethau Cymdeithasol a Llesiant (Cymru) 2014 ddim ond un dangosydd o ran plant â phrofiad o ofal, sy'n ymwneud â'r cymwysterau allanol y maen nhw'n eu cael pan fyddan nhw yn 16 oed. Rwy'n credu bod angen mwy o ddangosyddion o'r math o waith arbenigol y gall ysgolion ei wneud i gyfrannu at hynny mewn gwirionedd. Mae bod mewn gofal yn brofiad andwyol mewn plentyndod; ni allai ar unrhyw sail fod fel arall. Felly, mae'r niferoedd bach sydd gennym ni yn golygu yn sicr y dylem ni fod yn sicrhau bod yr holl bobl ifanc hynny yn cael mynediad priodol i wasanaethau iechyd meddwl a gwasanaethau cwnsela er mwyn iddyn nhw allu prosesu'r trawma y maen nhw wedi ei ddioddef. Rwy'n credu'n gryf bod angen inni sicrhau yn yr holl awdurdodau lleol bod y bobl ifanc hyn i gyd yn cael y gwasanaethau hynny y maen nhw eu hangen, neu fe fyddan nhw'n dod yn rhieni i blant â phrofiad o ofal eu hunain, a dyna'r cylch dieflig y mae'n rhaid inni ei dorri. Fel arall, fe fydd cost ariannol i'r awdurdodau lleol na allwn ei dalu, oherwydd dangosodd yr ymchwiliad a wnaed gan bapur newydd cenedlaethol ynghylch lefel y costau ar gyfer gofal arbenigol iawn - £7,000 yr wythnos - a'r gwir bryderon ynghylch arwerthu plant sy'n agored i niwed - . Yn amlwg, mae'n rhaid inni roi terfyn ar hynny ac mae angen inni edrych yn fanwl i weld sut y gallwn ni sicrhau ein bod yn lleihau'r niferoedd a sicrhau na fydd y rhai sydd â phrofiad o ofal yn colli eu plant eu hunain.