English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am grateful to my party colleague, Gareth Bennett, for his contribution. I am grateful to Lee Waters and Jenny Rathbone for coming to the Chamber to focus on the environmental perspective. I am grateful to Russell George for his balanced contribution, and I think colleagues look forward to seeing the source of this 25 per cent, and, certainly, we would support further study of the issues he raises. I'd like to credit John Griffiths for his campaigning on this issue, which I accept will have been long running. I would, however, observe that even in quarter 3 of 2015, which is when we launched our campaign as UKIP to abolish these tolls, his party colleague, Jessica Morden, was at that point having a debate in Westminster, arguing to reduce the tolls. I read out the quote from Edwina Hart not supporting abolishing tolls, and the position of the First Minister, at least floated, was to continue the tolls in order to fund the black route. I think it's absolutely fantastic that this has changed, but I believe my party has led the push on that, at least as far as abolition is concerned. In response to Dai Lloyd and Ken Skates, I just, again, want to be very, very clear on this issue of powers. People keep on talking about, 'Oh, this isn't devolved', and Lee Waters said, 'Oh, this is theoretical'. The Severn bridge tolls allow the concessionaire to reclaim the £1.029 billion at 1989 prices. Once it has done that, the Secretary of State has the power to levy further tolls up until he has raised, according to his own figures, a further £88 million. On a half-toll basis, that is likely to occur by summer 2019. So, at that point, the powers in the Severn Bridges Act 1992 are no longer there. The Transport Act 2000 provides, in section 167 and section 168, powers for new road-charging schemes, but, for an effective tolling system for the Severn bridges, I would submit that the agreement of the Welsh Government and this Assembly is needed. I do not see on what basis the UK Government can use the southern toll plaza, or apply a toll to a bridge that is half in Wales, without the agreement of the Welsh Assembly and the Welsh Government. So, when Ken Skates says that, if the UK Government decides to continue tolling, we would ask them to introduce free-flow, why? The UK Minister has said that would take three or four years. So, by the time it comes in, they wouldn't have the power under the Severn Bridges Act, and to do that tolling would need our agreement. And, if your position is that we should abolish the tolls as soon as possible, please make that case to the UK Government that we don't want to invest in free-flow that will take three or four years to come in, because we want to abolish the tolls. It looks now like this Chamber is united on that issue. I'm proud to have put this motion today and, even with amendment, I think, if it passes, it will send out a very, very strong signal as to where this Assembly and where Wales stand.
Welsh: Diolch, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Diolch i fy nghyd-Aelod yn fy mhlaid, Gareth Bennett, am ei gyfraniad. Diolch i Lee Waters a Jenny Rathbone am ddod i'r Siambr i ganolbwyntio ar y safbwynt amgylcheddol. Diolch i Russell George am ei gyfraniad cytbwys, ac rwy'n meddwl bod y cyd-Aelodau'n edrych ymlaen at weld ffynhonnell y 25 y cant hwn, ac yn sicr, byddem yn cefnogi astudiaeth bellach o'r materion y mae'n eu crybwyll. Hoffwn ganmol John Griffiths am ei ymgyrchu ar y mater hwn, ac rwy'n derbyn y bydd wedi bod yn ymgyrch faith. Fodd bynnag, hoffwn nodi bod ei gyd-aelod o'i blaid, Jessica Morden, hyd yn oed yn nhrydydd chwarter 2015, sef pan lansiwyd ein hymgyrch fel UKIP i ddileu'r tollau hyn, ar y pwynt hwnnw yn San Steffan, yn dadlau dros leihau'r tollau. Darllenais y dyfyniad gan Edwina Hart yn peidio â chefnogi diddymu'r tollau, a safbwynt y Prif Weinidog, a wyntyllwyd o leiaf, oedd parhau'r tollau er mwyn ariannu'r llwybr du. Rwy'n credu ei bod yn hollol wych fod hyn wedi newid, ond rwy'n credu mai fy mhlaid a arweiniodd yr ymgyrch ar hynny, o leiaf o ran eu diddymu. Mewn ymateb i Dai Lloyd a Ken Skates, unwaith eto, rwyf am fod yn hollol glir ar fater pwerau. Mae pobl yn dweud o hyd, 'O, nid yw hyn wedi'i ddatganoli', a dywedodd Lee Waters, 'O, damcaniaethol yw hyn'. Mae tollau pont Hafren yn caniatáu i'r consesiynydd hawlio'r £1.029 biliwn ar brisiau 1989. Pan fydd wedi gwneud hynny, mae gan yr Ysgrifennydd Gwladol bŵer i godi tollau pellach hyd nes y bydd wedi codi £88 miliwn pellach, yn ôl ei ffigurau ei hun. Ar sail hanner toll, mae hynny'n debygol o ddigwydd erbyn haf 2019. Felly, ar y pwynt hwnnw, nid yw pwerau Pontydd Hafren 1992 yno bellach. Mae Deddf Trafnidiaeth 2000 yn darparu pwerau, yn adran 167 ac adran 168, ar gyfer cynlluniau newydd i godi taliadau ffordd, ond i gael system godi tollau effeithiol ar gyfer pontydd Hafren, byddwn yn derbyn bod angen cytundeb Llywodraeth Cymru a'r Cynulliad hwn. Nid wyf yn gweld ar ba sail y gall Llywodraeth y DU ddefnyddio'r man casglu tollau deheuol, neu osod toll ar bont sydd â'i hanner yng Nghymru heb gytundeb y Cynulliad a Llywodraeth Cymru. Felly, pan fydd Ken Skates yn dweud, os yw Llywodraeth y DU yn penderfynu parhau i godi tollau, y byddem yn gofyn iddynt gyflwyno technoleg tollau agored, pam? Mae Gweinidog y DU wedi dweud y byddai hynny'n cymryd tair neu bedair blynedd. Felly, erbyn y dôi i rym, ni fyddai ganddynt bŵer o dan Ddeddf Pontydd Hafren, ac i wneud hynny byddai angen ein cytundeb ni i godi tollau. Ac os mai eich safbwynt yw y dylem ddiddymu'r tollau cyn gynted ag y bo modd, cyflwynwch yr achos i Lywodraeth y DU nad ydym am fuddsoddi mewn technoleg tollau agored a fydd yn cymryd tair neu bedair blynedd i ddod yn weithredol, am ein bod eisiau diddymu'r tollau. Mae'n edrych yn debyg yn awr fod y Siambr hon yn unedig ar y mater hwnnw. Rwy'n falch o fod wedi cyflwyno'r cynnig hwn heddiw ac os caiff ei dderbyn, hyd yn oed gyda gwelliant, rwy'n credu y bydd yn anfon neges gref iawn ynglŷn â safbwynt y Cynulliad hwn a safbwynt Cymru ar hyn.