English: I fully agree with the reform of council tax, but, on a band B property, the proposed rise in Caerphilly - the lowest council tax in the whole of Gwent, if not the whole of Wales - is £1.91 a week. The proposal that he's putting forward for basic rate of income tax from the same workers is around £2.50 a week. So, actually, the consequences of his tax rise will be higher for those people who Lindsay Whittle says are faced with 'higher food, energy and mortgage costs and many are now having to turn to foodbanks'. [ Interruption.] As he said to me, I'm not taking another intervention. [ Laughter. ] If he'd taken an intervention from me a second time, he could have come in, we could had a lovely debate, but let's play by the rules that he set. Plaid Cymru are making it very clear in Caerphilly that they are not accepting any council tax rise at all. In fact, what they've said - . You might want to speak to speak to your Plaid Cymru group. We know that they're mad as a box of frogs in Caerphilly. But they've said: 'We propose a zero council tax increase' in Caerphilly, and that a council tax rise 'cannot be justified and bills should be frozen for residents.' [ Interruption.] Two seconds. I think what they are doing there is playing politics, and I think what is happening with Plaid Cymru here in the Senedd - [ Interruption.] Heledd, I will come to you in a second. What they are doing here in the Senedd is proposing this council tax rise so that they can make as many uncosted proposals for the current budget as they want to, outside of the co-operation agreement, and then say, 'Yes, but we wanted to raise council tax to pay for it, so you should raise council tax.' This is where the co-operation agreement is falling down. It's power without responsibility. I think it should either be a coalition Government or it should be confidence and supply. What we've got from this deal is Plaid Cymru having the worst of both worlds and being able to make these points. Heledd, you can defend it if you want.
Welsh: Rwy'n cytuno'n llwyr â diwygio'r dreth gyngor, ond, ar eiddo band B, y cynnydd arfaethedig yng Nghaerffili - y dreth gyngor isaf yng Ngwent gyfan, os nad Cymru gyfan - yw £1.91 yr wythnos. Mae'r cynnig mae'n ei gyflwyno ar gyfer cyfradd sylfaenol o dreth incwm gan yr un gweithwyr tua £2.50 yr wythnos. Felly, mewn gwirionedd, bydd canlyniadau ei gynnydd yn y dreth yn uwch i'r bobl hynny y mae Lindsay Whittle yn dweud sy'n wynebu 'costau bwyd, ynni a morgeisi uwch ac mae nifer bellach yn gorfod troi at fanciau bwyd'. [ Torri ar draws.] Fel y dywedodd wrthyf i, dydw i ddim yn cymryd ymyrraeth arall. [ Chwerthin. ] Pe byddai wedi cymryd ymyrraeth gen i eilwaith, gallai fod wedi dod i mewn, gallem fod wedi cael dadl hyfryd, ond gadewch i ni chwarae yn ôl rheolau a osodwyd ganddo. Mae Plaid Cymru yn ei gwneud yn glir iawn yng Nghaerffili nad ydyn nhw'n derbyn unrhyw gynnydd yn y dreth gyngor o gwbl. Yn wir, beth maen nhw wedi ei ddweud - . Efallai byddech chi eisiau siarad gyda'ch grŵp Plaid Cymru. Rydyn ni'n gwybod nad ydyn nhw yn eu iawn bwyll yng Nghaerffili. Ond maen nhw wedi dweud: 'Rydyn ni'n cynnig cynnydd sero yn y dreth gyngor' yng Nghaerffili, ac o ran cynnydd yn y dreth gyngor 'ni ellir ei gyfiawnhau a dylid rhewi biliau ar gyfer trigolion.' [ Torri ar draws.] Dwy eiliad. Rwy'n credu mai'r hyn maen nhw'n ei wneud yw chwarae gwleidyddiaeth, ac rwy'n credu mai'r hyn sy'n digwydd gyda Phlaid Cymru yma yn y Senedd - [ Torri ar draws.] Heledd, mi ddof i atat chi mewn eiliad. Yr hyn y maen nhw'n ei wneud yma yn y Senedd yw cynnig y cynnydd hwn yn y dreth gyngor er mwyn iddyn nhw wneud cymaint o gynigion nad ydynt wedi'u costio ar gyfer y gyllideb bresennol ag y mynnant, y tu allan i'r cytundeb cydweithio, ac yna dweud, 'Ie, ond roeddem ni am godi'r dreth gyngor i dalu amdano, felly dylech chi godi'r dreth gyngor.' Dyma lle mae'r cytundeb cydweithio yn methu. Mae'n bŵer heb gyfrifoldeb. Rwy'n credu y dylai naill ai fod yn Lywodraeth glymblaid neu dylai fod yn hyder a chyflenwi. Beth sydd gennym ni o'r fargen hon yw Plaid Cymru'n cael y gwaethaf o'r ddau fyd a gallu gwneud y pwyntiau hyn. Heledd, gallwch chi ei amddiffyn os ydych chi eisiau.