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English: The next item is a statement by the Chair of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee on the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill, and the National Assembly's decision in relation to subordinate legislation procedures. I call on the Chair of the committee, Mick Antoniw, to make his statement.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf yw'r datganiad gan Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Materion Cyfansoddiadol a Deddfwriaethol ar Fil yr Undeb Ewropeaidd (Ymadael), a phenderfyniad y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol mewn perthynas â gweithdrefnau is-ddeddfwriaeth. Ac rwy'n galw ar Gadeirydd y pwyllgor i wneud ei ddatganiad, Mick Antoniw.
English: Thank you for those comments. This is a matter of constitutional principles with regard to the separation of powers. We know we have all had serious concerns about the very serious transfers of powers and the way in which powers will have to be exercised as a result of the withdrawal Bill and the developments around Brexit. We have all expressed the very serious concerns and recognised the real challenges and dangers that exist with regard to the exercise of Henry VIII powers. The reason for bringing this statement today is very simple: this is a significant matter and the danger is if it was not challenged at this stage there would be a precedent established. So, my hope is that that principle of separation of powers is recognised and also that what did happen should not be a precedent in respect of any future matters, particularly when we come to the issue of the exercise of Henry VIII powers.
Welsh: Diolch ichi am y sylwadau hynny. Mae hwn yn fater o egwyddor gyfansoddiadol mewn perthynas â gwahanu pwerau. Gwyddom fod pob un ohonom wedi pryderu'n ddifrifol ynghylch y trosglwyddo pwerau difrifol iawn a'r ffordd y bydd yn rhaid arfer pwerau o ganlyniad i'r Bil ymadael a'r datblygiadau'n ymwneud â Brexit. Mae pawb ohonom wedi mynegi'r pryderon difrifol ac wedi cydnabod yr heriau gwirioneddol a'r peryglon sy'n bodoli mewn perthynas ag arfer pwerau Harri VIII. Mae'r rheswm dros gyflwyno'r datganiad hwn heddiw yn syml iawn: mae'n fater o bwys a'r perygl, pe na bai'n cael ei herio yn y cyfnod hwn, yw y byddai cynsail yn cael ei sefydlu. Felly, fy ngobaith yw y cydnabyddir yr egwyddor hon o wahanu pwerau a hefyd na ddylai'r hyn a ddigwyddodd osod cynsail mewn perthynas ag unrhyw faterion yn y dyfodol, yn enwedig mewn perthynas ag arfer pwerau Harri'r VIII.
English: I thank the Chair of the committee.
Welsh: Diolch i Gadeirydd y pwyllgor.
English: The next item is a statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance on the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill and I call on the Cabinet Secretary to make his statement - Mark Drakeford.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf yw'r datganiad gan Ysgrifennydd yr Cabinet dros Gyllid ar y Fesur yr Undeb Ewropeaidd (Ymadael) ac rydw i'n galw ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet i wneud ei ddatganiad - Mark Drakeford.
English: Thank you very much, Llywydd, and thank you for agreeing to the making of this statement about developments in respect of the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. As Members will be aware, over recent weeks and months, intensive discussions have taken place aimed at resolving the disagreements between ourselves and the Scottish Government on the one hand and the UK Government on the other about clause 11 of the EU withdrawal Bill.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd, a diolch yn fawr am gytuno i'r datganiad yma am ddatblygiadau ynghylch Bil yr Undeb Ewropeaidd (Ymadael). Fel y bydd Aelodau yn ymwybodol, dros y misoedd ac wythnosau diweddar, mae trafodaethau dwys wedi cymryd lle gyda'r nod o ddatrys anghytundeb rhyngom ni a Llywodraeth yr Alban ar yr un llaw a Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig ar y llaw arall ynglŷn â chymal 11 Bil yr Undeb Ewropeaidd (Ymadael).
English: Unlike the perhaps predictably Pavlovian response from certain quarters, may I start by thanking and congratulating you and David Lidington, the Minister for the Cabinet Office, for the measured, mature and pragmatic way you've conducted negotiations to secure agreement on clause 11 -
Welsh: Yn wahanol i'r ymateb Paflofaidd y gellid bod wedi'i ragweld o bosibl o rai mannau, a gaf fi ddechrau drwy ddiolch i chi a David Lidington, Gweinidog Swyddfa'r Cabinet, a'ch llongyfarch am y ffordd bwyllog, aeddfed a phragmatig y cynhaliwyd y negodiadau gennych er mwyn sicrhau cytundeb ar gymal 11 -
English: Can I welcome the statement and commend the finance Secretary for the serious, reflective and unmelodramatic approach that he has brought to this negotiation, and, I think, has produced a conclusion that is acceptable to all those in this Assembly who believe in Wales being a part of the United Kingdom? I said at an early stage that the Welsh Government's approach to this by promoting a continuity Bill was not necessarily a position that would be expected for any member of UKIP to go along with, but I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't a delaying tactic to avoid the consequences of the referendum, and I'm pleased that today's announcement fully justifies the confidence that I had in the Welsh Government in that task. Of course, I realise that those to the left of me on these benches will not agree with what I have to say on this, but I appreciate that it doesn't give Plaid Cymru all that they would like to see, and that there is a certain element of confidence that the UK Government will not resile from the promises of good behaviour - if I can put it that way - which are included as part of this agreement.
Welsh: A gaf fi groesawu'r datganiad a chymeradwyo'r Ysgrifennydd cyllid am y dull difrifol, myfyriol a digyffro y mae wedi mynd ati i ymgymryd â'r negodiad hwn, a chredaf ei fod wedi sicrhau casgliad sy'n dderbyniol i bawb yn y Cynulliad hwn sy'n credu y dylai Cymru fod yn rhan o'r Deyrnas Unedig? Ar gam cynnar, dywedais nad oedd dull Llywodraeth Cymru o gyflawni hyn drwy hyrwyddo Bil parhad o reidrwydd yn safbwynt y byddai disgwyl i unrhyw aelod o UKIP ei gefnogi, ond roeddwn yn barod i roi mantais yr amheuaeth iddynt nad tacteg i osgoi canlyniadau'r refferendwm ydoedd, ac rwy'n falch fod y cyhoeddiad heddiw yn llwyr gyfiawnhau'r hyder a oedd gennyf yn Llywodraeth Cymru yn y dasg honno. Wrth gwrs, rwy'n sylweddoli na fydd rhai ar fy llaw chwith ar y meinciau hyn yn cytuno â'r hyn sydd gennyf i'w ddweud am hyn, ond rwy'n derbyn nad yw'n rhoi'r cyfan y byddent eisiau ei weld i Blaid Cymru, a bod yna elfen benodol o hyder na fydd Llywodraeth y DU cilio rhag yr addewidion o ymddygiad da - os caf ei roi felly - sydd wedi'i gynnwys yn rhan o'r cytundeb hwn.
English: Llywydd, can I thank the Member for what he has said and for the very careful attention that he has paid to all of this and for the opportunity along the way to discuss developments with him, as I have with other parties here? He is absolutely right to say that this agreement delivers a strengthened role for the Welsh Government and for the National Assembly for Wales across a whole swathe of very important responsibilities. The UK Government have said today that everything that we have agreed will be made available to the Scottish Government, and I believe that the Scottish Government has also indicated that, despite the fact that they wish that this agreement could go further and we continue to work with them on that, they too will operate fully within the frameworks that our agreement has laid down, and that means not simply that our powers have been strengthened, but that devolution across the whole of the United Kingdom will be in a different place than it would have been had we not been able to reach the agreements that we have. And the equal treatment principle that we have secured, in which English Ministers will be in exactly the same position as Welsh Ministers and Scottish Ministers is, indeed, a fundamentally important new piece of ground that we have gained, and I think it will put a new impetus into the whole of this agreement to get the processes that it sets out done, completed, and powers entirely returned to the institution in pretty short order.
Welsh: Lywydd, a gaf fi ddiolch i'r Aelod am yr hyn a ddywedodd ac am y sylw gofalus iawn y mae wedi'i roi i hyn i gyd ac am y cyfle ar hyd y ffordd i drafod datblygiadau gydag ef, fel y gwneuthum gyda phleidiau eraill yma? Mae'n hollol gywir i ddweud bod y cytundeb hwn yn sicrhau rôl gryfach i Lywodraeth Cymru ac i Gynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru ar draws ystod gyfan o gyfrifoldebau pwysig iawn. Mae Llywodraeth y DU wedi dweud heddiw y bydd popeth a gytunwyd gennym ar gael i Lywodraeth yr Alban, a chredaf fod Llywodraeth yr Alban hefyd wedi dynodi, er eu bod yn dymuno pe bai modd i'r cytundeb hwn fynd ymhellach, ac rydym yn parhau i weithio gyda hwy ar hynny, y byddant hwy hefyd yn gweithredu'n llwyr o fewn y fframweithiau a nodwyd gan ein cytundeb, ac mae hynny'n golygu nid yn unig fod ein pwerau wedi'u cryfhau, ond y bydd datganoli ledled y Deyrnas Unedig mewn man gwahanol i ble y byddai wedi bod pe na baem wedi gallu cyrraedd y cytundebau sydd gennym. A bydd yr egwyddor triniaeth gyfartal a sicrhawyd gennym, lle mae Gweinidogion Lloegr yn yr un sefyllfa'n union â Gweinidogion Cymru a Gweinidogion yr Alban, yn dir newydd sylfaenol bwysig a enillwyd gennym, a chredaf y bydd yn rhoi hwb newydd i'r cytundeb hwn yn ei gyfanrwydd allu sicrhau bod y prosesau y mae'n eu nodi yn cael eu gwneud, a'u cwblhau, a bod y pwerau'n dychwelyd yn llwyr i'r sefydliad cyn pen dim o dro.
English: We are way over time on this statement, but it is an important statement. I've got four more speakers wishing to speak. I'll call them, but you all need to be very succinct in your questions. Simon Thomas. [ Laughter. ]
Welsh: Rydym ymhell dros yr amser ar y datganiad hwn, ond mae'n ddatganiad pwysig. Mae gennyf bedwar siaradwr arall sydd am siarad. Fe'u galwaf, ond mae angen i bob un ohonoch fod yn gryno iawn yn eich cwestiynau. Simon Thomas. [ Chwerthin. ]
English: I'd like to thank the Cabinet Secretary for his statement. I know that this represents many months of hard detailed work by the Cabinet Secretary and by his officials. I think he has listed significant achievements today, and I'd like to congratulate him for those results. I think it's absolutely right that the Government feels able to recommend that we do give legislative consent when this comes before us. Most of the questions I wanted to ask have already been asked, thankfully, I'm sure, Presiding Officer, but one thing I did want to ask: during these months of negotiation, was there, at any point, a tipping point when you felt that, now we've achieved that, there is, really, the hope of getting to an agreement?
Welsh: Hoffwn ddiolch i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet am ei ddatganiad. Gwn ei fod yn cynrychioli misoedd lawer o waith manwl a chaled gan Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet a chan ei swyddogion. Credaf ei fod wedi rhestru cyflawniadau sylweddol heddiw, a hoffwn ei longyfarch ar y canlyniadau hynny. Credaf ei bod yn gwbl briodol fod y Llywodraeth yn teimlo y gallant argymell ein bod yn rhoi cydsyniad deddfwriaethol pan ddaw hyn ger ein bron. Mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r cwestiynau yr oeddwn am eu gofyn eisoes wedi'u gofyn, diolch byth, rwy'n siŵr, Lywydd, ond un peth yr oeddwn am ei ofyn oedd hyn: yn ystod y misoedd o negodi, a oedd yna, ar unrhyw adeg, bwynt tipio pan oeddech yn teimlo, nawr ein bod wedi cyflawni hynny, fod gobaith go iawn o ddod i gytundeb?
English: I thank the Member for what she said. I don't think I would describe the negotiations as having a tipping point. Right up to Monday of last week, when the three Governments last met together, there were further points that both Scotland and Wales wished to include in the agreement, further ground that we wanted to gain. It has been an incremental process in which, step by step and bit by bit, we have inched our way to the point where I feel able to come to the Assembly today and to say that we will put a legislative consent motion and recommend its agreement to you. Scotland are committed, and we are with them, to inching that process even further forward. If we can achieve that, we'll be very glad to play our part in it. But that's the way I think these negotiations have worked - not a sudden point at which things tip from being unacceptable to being acceptable, but a long slog, week in, week out, with officials particularly putting long, long hours into things to reach the point that we have finally reached today.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Aelod am yr hyn a ddywedodd. Ni chredaf y buaswn yn dweud bod yna bwynt tipio yn y negodiadau. Hyd at ddydd Llun yr wythnos diwethaf, pan gyfarfu'r tair Llywodraeth ddiwethaf, roedd yna bwyntiau pellach yr oedd yr Alban a Chymru yn dymuno eu cynnwys yn y cytundeb, rhagor o dir yr oeddem am ei ennill. Mae wedi bod yn broses raddol lle rydym, gam wrth gam a bob yn dipyn, wedi nesu'n araf at y pwynt lle y teimlaf y gallaf ddod i'r Cynulliad heddiw a dweud y byddwn yn rhoi cynnig cydsyniad deddfwriaethol ac argymell y dylech ei gytuno. Mae'r Alban wedi ymrwymo, ac rydym ni gyda hwy, i wthio'r broses honno ymlaen hyd yn oed ymhellach. Os gallwn gyflawni hynny, byddwn yn falch iawn o chwarae ein rhan yn hynny. Ond dyna'r ffordd y credaf fod y negodiadau hyn wedi gweithio - nid pwynt sydyn pan fydd pethau'n tipio o fod yn annerbyniol i fod yn dderbyniol, ond gwaith hir, wythnos ar ôl wythnos, gyda swyddogion yn arbennig yn treulio oriau hir ar bethau i gyrraedd y pwynt rydym wedi'i gyrraedd heddiw o'r diwedd.
English: I do understand, of course, that a great deal of hard work has gone into it, but that's our job - to work hard on behalf of the people of Wales. As a Welsh person and a democrat, I've been shocked at how easily you've given in to the Tories and have transferred these powers to them in London - the powers that the people of Wales have stated in two referenda that the Welsh Parliament should hold. I will restrict myself to one question. You do say in your statement that the outcome of the negotiations with the Tories aren't perfect, and that this agreement is a compromise. Now, we need to compromise, of course; we need to compromise occasionally in politics and I'm enough of a pragmatist and a realist to compromise, quite regularly if truth be told. But compromising on the democratic future of Wales is unacceptable. A power grab is a power grab, and we cannot compromise on such a fundamentally important issue as that. A little over a month ago, this Parliament voted in favour of a continuity Bill that would have ensured that the UK Government couldn't have undertaken that power grab. All of the cards were in your Government's hands. So, why on earth did you need to compromise on this?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydw i'n dallt, wrth gwrs, bod yna lot o waith caled wedi mynd i mewn i hyn, ond dyna ydy ein gwaith ni - gweithio'n galed dros Gymru. Fel Cymraes, fel democrat, rydw i wedi dychryn ar ba mor hawdd rydych chi wedi ildio i'r Torïaid, a pha mor hawdd rydych chi wedi cytuno i drosglwyddo pwerau iddyn nhw yn Llundain - pwerau y mae pobl Cymru wedi dweud, mewn dau refferendwm, y dylai Senedd Cymru eu rheoli nhw. Mi wnaf i gyfyngu fy hun i un cwestiwn. Rydych chi yn dweud yn eich datganiad nad ydy canlyniad y trafodaethau efo'r Torïaid yn berffaith, ac mai cyfaddawd ydy'r cytundeb yma. Wel, mae eisiau cyfaddawdu, wrth gwrs; mae eisiau cyfaddawdu o dro i dro mewn gwleidyddiaeth, ac rydw i'n ddigon o bragmatydd ac yn ddigon realistig i gyfaddawdu yn reit aml, a dweud y gwir. Ond mae cyfaddawdu ar ddyfodol democratiaeth Cymru yn annerbyniol. Dwyn pwerau ydy dwyn pwerau, ac ni fedrwn ni ddim cyfaddawdu ar fater mor sylfaenol a hanfodol â hynny. Ychydig dros fis yn ôl, mi wnaeth y Senedd yma bleidleisio dros Fil parhad a fuasai wedi sicrhau na fyddai modd i Lywodraeth Prydain ddwyn ein pwerau ni. Roedd y cardiau i gyd yn nwylo eich Llywodraeth chi. Felly, pam yn y byd oedd angen cyfaddawdu o gwbl?
English: I thank Siân Gwenllian for what she said at the outset in recognising the hard work that's gone into the agreement that's before the Assembly today. No-one is making any power grab from the National Assembly, because we've agreed on things and the National Assembly will also have to agree when the powers come onto the floor here. On the continuity Bill, we said from the outset that that wasn't our first choice. I said and the First Minister said and the Counsel General said, on every occasion, that if we can come to an agreement with the UK Government on the Bill, that was the best way to deal with the problems in the original Bill. That's what we've succeeded in doing and that's why I had thought that I could come to the Assembly floor today and tell Members that this is an agreement on which we can all agree.
Welsh: Diolch i Siân Gwenllian am beth ddywedodd hi ar y dechrau am y gwaith caled, i gydnabod y gwaith caled sydd wedi mynd i mewn i'r cytundeb sydd o flaen y Cynulliad heddiw. Nid oes neb yn dwyn pwerau nawr o'r Cynulliad Cenedlaethol, achos rŷm ni wedi cytuno ar bethau, ac mae'n rhaid i'r Cynulliad Cenedlaethol hefyd gytuno pan mae pwerau yn dod ymlaen i'r llawr yma. Ar y Bil parhad, roeddwn i wedi dweud o'r dechrau nad hynny oedd ein dewis cyntaf ni. Dywedais i a'r Prif Weinidog a'r Cwnsler Cyffredinol bob tro, os allwn ni ddod at gytundeb gyda Llywodraeth y Deyrnas Unedig ar y Bil, hynny oedd y ffordd gorau i ddelio â'r problemau yn y Bil gwreiddiol. Dyna beth rŷm ni wedi llwyddo i'w wneud, a dyna pam rydw i wedi meddwl fy mod yn gallu dod ar lawr y Cynulliad heddiw a dweud wrth Aelodau yma bod hwn yn gytundeb yr ydym ni i gyd yn gallu cytuno ag ef.
English: The next item, therefore, is the Welsh Conservatives' debate on local government reform. I call on Janet Finch-Saunders to move the motion. Janet Finch-Saunders.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf, felly, yw dadl y Ceidwadwyr Cymreig ar ddiwygio llywodraeth leol. Rwy'n galw ar Janet Finch-Saunders i wneud y cynnig. Janet Finch-Saunders.
English: All I was going to say is that exactly the same has been done in the Swansea city region.
Welsh: Y cyfan yr oeddwn am ei ddweud yw bod yn union yr un peth wedi'i wneud yn ninas-ranbarth Abertawe.
English: I have selected the four amendments to the motion. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendments 2 and 3 will be deselected. And I call on the Cabinet Secretary for Local Government and Public Services to move formally amendment 1, tabled in the name of Julie James.
Welsh: Rwyf wedi dethol y pedwar gwelliant i'r cynnig. Os derbynnir gwelliant 1, bydd gwelliannau 2 a 3 yn cael eu dad-ddethol. A galwaf ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol a Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus i gynnig gwelliant 1, a gyflwynwyd yn enw Julie James, yn ffurfiol.
English: Thanks for giving way, Mike Hedges. I don't disagree with a word you've said so far. Will you undertake to abandon these plans when you become Cabinet Secretary for local government? [ Laughter. ]
Welsh: Diolch am ildio, Mike Hedges. Nid wyf yn anghytuno â gair rydych wedi'i ddweud hyd yma. A wnewch chi ymrwymo i roi'r gorau i'r cynlluniau hyn pan ddowch yn Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol? [ Chwerthin. ]
English: I'm interested in this answer. [ Laughter. ]
Welsh: Mae gennyf ddiddordeb yn yr ateb hwn. [ Chwerthin. ]
English: Can I thank Nick Ramsay for his comments? I don't think these proposals are the right way forward. That's all I will say. [ Interruption. ] Because, ICT, people are under contract, they need to be updated or closed down on merger and sometimes you pay - [ Interruption. ] Sometimes you pay -
Welsh: A gaf fi ddiolch i Nick Ramsay am ei sylwadau? Nid wyf yn meddwl mai'r cynigion hyn yw'r ffordd gywir ymlaen. Dyna'r cyfan a ddywedaf. [ Torri ar draws. ] Oherwydd, TGCh, mae pobl dan gontract, mae angen eu diweddaru neu eu dirwyn i ben wrth uno ac weithiau fe fyddwch yn talu - [ Torri ar draws. ] Weithiau fe fyddwch yn talu -
English: Calm down.
Welsh: Byddwch yn dawel.
English: Thank you. Can I now call the Cabinet Secretary for Local Government and Public Services, Alun Davies?
Welsh: Diolch. A gaf fi alw yn awr ar Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Lywodraeth Leol a Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus, Alun Davies?
English: For the second time in a few months I'm left speechless, Deputy Presiding Officer. I seem to have left my floral tributes in another place, and I'm left only with my wit and wisdom. So, this could be a very short contribution. [ Laughter.] But I will answer the point because I thought it was a very interesting and thoughtful speech that we've just heard from Suzy Davies, who did challenge me, I felt, in a very fair and reasonable way. We do not wish, of course, to impose. We wish to reach agreement. And there is agreement, actually, and there is agreement across local government and, I believe - . We heard from the UKIP spokesperson this afternoon, and we've heard in other places politicians on all sides of the Chamber, recognising that the current structures we have are not sustainable. And, in the first meeting I had with the WLGA in Cardiff city hall back in November, the WLGA themselves were very, very clear then that the current structures are not sustainable: 22 local authorities in a country of 3 million people is simply not a sustainable structure, and that is -
Welsh: Am yr ail dro mewn ychydig fisoedd cefais fy ngadael yn fud gan syndod, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Ymddengys fy mod wedi gadael fy mlodeugedau yn rhywle arall, ac nid oes gennyf ddim heblaw fy ffraethineb a fy noethineb. Felly, gallai hwn fod yn gyfraniad byr iawn. [ Chwerthin.] Ond fe atebaf y pwynt oherwydd roeddwn yn meddwl ei bod hi'n araith feddylgar a diddorol iawn gan Suzy Davies yn awr, a oedd yn fy herio, rwy'n teimlo, mewn ffordd deg a rhesymol iawn. Wrth gwrs, nid ydym am orfodi. Rydym yn dymuno dod i gytundeb. Ac mae yna gytundeb, mewn gwirionedd, ac mae yna gytundeb ar draws llywodraeth leol ac rwy'n credu - . Clywsom gan lefarydd UKIP y prynhawn yma, ac rydym wedi clywed gwleidyddion ar bob ochr i'r Siambr mewn mannau eraill yn cydnabod nad yw'r strwythurau presennol sydd gennym yn gynaliadwy. Ac yn y cyfarfod cyntaf a gefais gyda CLlLC yn neuadd y ddinas Caerdydd ym mis Tachwedd, roedd CLlLC eu hunain yn glir iawn bryd hynny nad yw'r strwythurau presennol yn gynaliadwy: nid yw 22 o awdurdodau lleol mewn gwlad o 3 miliwn o bobl yn strwythur cynaliadwy, ac mae hynny -
English: I will allow you to intervene. And that was coming from the WLGA, and not from Welsh Government.
Welsh: Fe ganiatâf ichi ymyrryd. A dôi hynny gan CLlLC, nid gan Lywodraeth Cymru.
English: How does that compare against the rest of western Europe?
Welsh: Sut y mae hynny'n cymharu â gweddill gorllewin Ewrop?
English: Can we all calm down?
Welsh: A gawn ni i gyd dawelu?
English: Thank you. I'll decide who goes on too long in this Chamber, thank you very much, and some of you may want to speak in other debates later today. Can I now call on Nick Ramsay to reply to the debate, please?
Welsh: Diolch. Fe benderfynaf fi pwy sy'n siarad yn rhy hir yn y Siambr hon, diolch yn fawr iawn, ac efallai y bydd rhai ohonoch eisiau siarad mewn dadleuon eraill yn nes ymlaen heddiw. A gaf fi alw yn awr ar Nick Ramsay i ymateb i'r ddadl, os gwelwch yn dda?