English: Well, thank you to Dawn Bowden for pointing to those two developments of this week. The absolutely astonishing suggestions by a candidate for the leadership of the Conservative Party that, eight years into austerity, those who need the help the most are those who have the most to begin with. It's absolutely disgraceful, when you think of the impacts that there have been on the poorest families here in Wales, that the Secretary of State for Wales should announce that he is prepared to support somebody who not only in relation to his policies on Brexit, which the Secretary of State knows perfectly well, will be devastating here in Wales, but who is also, apparently, there to speak up for Wales at the UK level, with everything that we know in relation to the impact of those cuts here in Wales - that he is prepared to support a candidate who would shovel money out of the pockets of those people who have the least into the pockets of those who have the most. And when it comes to universal benefits, I absolutely want to agree with what the Member said about the television licence. The television licence has been a universal benefit. It goes to every older person aged over 75. Nobody has to apply. Nobody has to be threatened with imprisonment because they don't pay it. Nobody later on in life has to wonder about whether this bill has to be added to everything else they have to pay out of a fixed income. Those families have enjoyed that benefit since the last Labour Government was in charge of these matters at the UK level, and it's a pretty bad day for those families to find themselves in a position where, in future, not only will many of them get no help at all, but even those who are entitled to help will not get that help automatically. They will be forced to deal with a system that is deeply off-putting for many of them. Many of them will lose out. We know that that's what happens with means-tested benefits, and that's why Dawn Bowden is so right to point to the absolute advantages that providing benefits, wherever that's possible, on a universal basis, provide to claimants.
Welsh: Wel, diolch yn fawr i Dawn Bowden am dynnu sylw at y ddau ddatblygiad hynny o'r wythnos hon. Yr awgrymiadau cwbl ryfeddol gan ymgeisydd ar gyfer arweinyddiaeth y Blaid Geidwadol, sef, wyth mlynedd ers dechrau cyni cyllidol, mai'r rhai sydd angen y cymorth fwyaf yw'r rhai sydd â'r mwyaf yn y lle cyntaf. Mae'n gwbl warthus, pan feddyliwch chi am yr effeithiau a gafwyd ar y teuluoedd tlotaf yma yng Nghymru, y dylai Ysgrifennydd Gwladol Cymru gyhoeddi ei fod yn barod i gefnogi rhywun a fydd, nid yn unig o ran ei bolisïau ar Brexit, y mae'r Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn gwybod yn iawn, fydd yn drychinebus yma yng Nghymru, ond sydd hefyd, mae'n debyg, yno i siarad dros Gymru ar lefel y DU, gyda phopeth yr ydym ni'n ei wybod am effaith y toriadau hynny yma yng Nghymru - ei fod yn barod i gefnogi ymgeisydd a fyddai'n rhofio arian allan o bocedi'r bobl hynny sydd â'r lleiaf a'i roi ym mhocedi'r rhai sydd â'r mwyaf. A phan ddaw i fudd-daliadau cynhwysol, rwy'n bendant eisiau cytuno â'r hyn a ddywedodd yr Aelod am y drwydded deledu. Mae'r drwydded deledu wedi bod o fudd i bawb. Mae'n mynd i bob person hŷn sydd dros 75 oed. Nid oes rhaid i neb ymgeisio. Nid oes rhaid i neb gael ei fygwth â charchar gan nad yw'n ei thalu. Nid oes yn rhaid i neb yn ddiweddarach mewn bywyd feddwl tybed a oes rhaid ychwanegu'r bil hwn at bopeth arall y mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw ei dalu allan o incwm sefydlog. Mae'r teuluoedd hynny wedi mwynhau'r budd hwnnw ers yr adeg pan oedd y Llywodraeth Lafur ddiwethaf yn gyfrifol am y materion hyn ar lefel y DU, ac mae'n ddiwrnod gwael iawn i'r teuluoedd hynny ganfod eu hunain mewn sefyllfa lle, yn y dyfodol, nid yn unig y bydd llawer ohonyn nhw yn cael dim cymorth o gwbl, ond ni fydd hyd yn oed y rhai sydd â hawl i gymorth yn cael y cymorth hwnnw'n awtomatig. Byddan nhw hefyd yn cael eu gorfodi i ymdrin â system sy'n eithriadol o annymunol i lawer ohonynt. Bydd llawer ohonyn nhw ar eu colled. Rydym ni'n gwybod mai dyna sy'n digwydd gyda budd-daliadau ar sail prawf modd, a dyna pam mae Dawn Bowden mor gywir i dynnu sylw at y manteision absoliwt y mae darparu budd-daliadau, pryd bynnag y bo hynny'n bosibl, ar sail gynhwysol, yn eu cynnig i hawlwyr.