English: Diolch, Llywydd. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed by the Government's response. I notice that there were lots of references to the opinions of the president of the tribunal in relation to the Government's position in terms of welcoming what the Government had done so far, but this is the very same individual who gave evidence to our committee and who made it abundantly clear that she wanted direction-making powers given to that tribunal so that it had the teeth to get the job done on behalf of children and young people who need additional learning provision to be secured from the NHS. And at the moment, that is simply not happening frequently enough. We're having problems in people getting the support that they need and it's leading to significant disadvantage for those children and young people. As Llyr Gruffydd quite rightly said, we've got to do away with unnecessary complexity. That was one of the stated aims of this Bill and, unfortunately, I'm afraid it's leaving one huge volume of complexity there in terms of having two separate redress systems to try to navigate through. I mean, I've got cases in my own constituency going through the NHS redress system that have been going on for two years. Is that acceptable for children and young people who might be requiring an opportunity to get the support that they need in their place of education? I think not, and I know that you don't think that that's acceptable either. As I say, it would be helpful to know what an earth has happened to the improvements that were suggested by Keith Evans in his report, 'Using the Gift of Complaints' in relation to the national health service so that we can sort the problems out that it has in dealing with concerns that are expressed to it and complaints that are made to it. Effectively, we've got eight individual NHS bodies all with their own redress systems working slightly differently, whereas we could have one body, the tribunal, making decisions that are consistent across the whole of Wales, which my amendments in this section seek to do. You said quite rightly that the tribunal is an independent judicial body and, when it comes to its reports, they are a matter for the tribunal, but I do welcome the correspondence that you've committed to have with the tribunal to make sure that it is aware of some of the things - and you were able to make suggestions about some of the things - it might be useful to include in their reports going forward. I think a far better way to make sure that it's going to be a more useful report is by allowing the National Assembly to require things to be reported in a format that the National Assembly thinks is appropriate and then for that report to be laid before the National Assembly so that there can be an appropriate opportunity to scrutinise it. At the moment, that report is very often posted onto the website. I'd be surprised if it gets a couple of hundred downloads over a 12-month period, frankly. I've been on there, I've had a look at it: it ain't much cop, if I'm honest with you. And it's certainly not much use to those children and young people and their parents who might want to glean useful information from it. So, I'm very disappointed that you're rejecting amendments 11, 19 and 20. I do think that people want to see this power to direct. As I say, there was one single witness that appeared before the committee at Stage 1 who did not feel that it was appropriate to give this power to direct, and that was the former Minister. Every single other person was in agreement - . And that was the previous portfolio holder. Every single other person who appeared before that committee and every single other person who gave evidence to the committee in writing was unanimous in their opinion that the tribunal should have its powers strengthened with the opportunity to direct the national health service. So I do urge all Members in this Chamber to be conscious of that when they come to vote.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. Mae'n rhaid imi ddweud fy mod braidd yn siomedig gydag ymateb y Llywodraeth. Rwy'n sylwi fod yna lawer o gyfeirio at farn llywydd y tribiwnlys mewn cysylltiad â safbwynt y Llywodraeth o ran croesawu'r hyn y mae'r Llywodraeth wedi ei wneud hyd yn hyn. Ond dyma'r unigolyn a roddodd dystiolaeth i'n pwyllgor ni ac fe wnaeth yn gwbl glir ei bod yn awyddus i gael y pwerau cyfarwyddo i'r tribiwnlys hwnnw fel bod ganddo allu i wneud y gwaith ar ran plant a phobl ifanc sydd ag angen ychwanegol am ddarpariaeth addysg wedi ei sicrhau gan y GIG. Ac ar hyn o bryd, nid yw hynny'n digwydd yn ddigon aml. Rydyn ni'n cael problemau wrth ddarparu cymorth i'r bobl sydd ei angen ac mae hynny'n arwain at anfantais sylweddol i'r plant a'r bobl ifanc. Fel y dywedodd Llŷr Gruffydd yn gwbl briodol, mae'n rhaid inni gael gwared ar gymhlethdod diangen. Dyna oedd un o nodau allweddol y Bil hwn ac, yn anffodus, mae arnaf ofn ei fod yn gadael llawer iawn o gymhlethdod o ran cael dwy system unioni i geisio llywio trwyddyn nhw. Hynny yw, mae gennyf i achosion yn fy etholaeth sydd yn mynd drwy system unioni camweddau'r GIG sydd wedi para dwy flynedd. A yw hynny'n dderbyniol i blant a phobl ifanc sydd angen y cyfle i gael y cymorth sydd ei eisiau arnynt yn y lle y cânt eu haddysg? Nid wyf yn credu hynny, a gwn nad ydych chwithau'n credu bod hynny'n dderbyniol chwaith. Fel y dywedaf, byddai'n ddefnyddiol cael gwybod beth ar y ddaear sydd wedi digwydd i'r gwelliannau a awgrymwyd gan Keith Evans yn ei adroddiad, 'Defnyddio'r Rhodd o Gwynion', o ran y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol fel y gallwn ddatrys y problemau sydd ganddo wrth ymdrin â gofidiau sy'n cael eu mynegi a chwynion a wneir iddo. I bob pwrpas, mae gennym wyth o gyrff unigol yn y GIG a phob un ohonyn nhw gyda'i systemau unioni sy'n gweithio ychydig yn wahanol, ond gallem gael un corff, y tribiwnlys, yn gwneud penderfyniadau a fyddai'n gyson ledled Cymru gyfan, a dyna mae fy ngwelliannau i yn yr adran hon yn ceisio ei gyflawni. Roeddech chi'n dweud yn gwbl briodol fod y tribiwnlys yn gorff barnwrol annibynnol. A mater i'r tribiwnlys yw ei adroddiadau. Ond rwyf i'n croesawu'r ohebiaeth yr ydych wedi ymrwymo i'w chael gyda'r tribiwnlys i wneud yn siŵr ei fod yn ymwybodol o rai o'r pethau - ac roeddech chi'n gallu gwneud awgrymiadau am rai o'r pethau - efallai y byddai'n ddefnyddiol eu cynnwys yn eu hadroddiadau yn y dyfodol. Rwyf i'n credu mai ffordd well o wneud yn siŵr bod yr adroddiadau'n mynd i fod yn fwy defnyddiol yw trwy ganiatáu i'r Cynulliad Cenedlaethol ei gwneud yn ofynnol y dylai pethau sy'n cael eu hadrodd fod mewn fformat a ystyrir yn briodol gan y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol, ac yna dylid dwyn yr adroddiad hwnnw gerbron y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol fel bod cyfle priodol i graffu arno. Ar hyn o bryd, rhoddir yr adroddiad hwnnw yn aml iawn ar y wefan. Buaswn i'n cael fy synnu, a dweud y gwir, pe byddai'n cael ei lawrlwytho cwpwl o gannoedd o weithiau dros gyfnod o 12 mis. Rydw i wedi bod ar y wefan ac wedi cael golwg arno: 'does 'na fawr o werth ynddo, a bod yn onest gyda chi. Ac yn sicr nid yw o unrhyw ddefnydd i'r plant a'r bobl ifanc a'u rhieni a fyddai am ddod o hyd i wybodaeth ddefnyddiol ohono. Felly, rwy'n siomedig iawn eich bod chi'n gwrthod gwelliannau 11, 19 a 20. Rwyf i o'r farn fod pobl yn dymuno gweld y pŵer hwn i gyfarwyddo. Fel y dywedais, roedd un tyst yn neilltuol a ymddangosodd gerbron y pwyllgor yng Nghyfnod 1 nad oedd yn teimlo ei bod yn briodol i roi'r pŵer hwn i gyfarwyddo, a'r cyn-Weinidog oedd hwnnw. Roedd pob unigolyn arall yn cytuno - . A hwnnw oedd deiliad blaenorol y portffolio. Roedd pob unigolyn arall a wnaeth ymddangos gerbron y pwyllgor hwnnw a phob unigolyn a roddodd dystiolaeth ysgrifenedig i'r pwyllgor yn unfryd eu barn y dylai'r tribiwnlys gael mwy o bwerau gyda chyfle i gyfarwyddo'r gwasanaeth iechyd genedlaethol. Felly, rwyf yn annog pob aelod yn y Siambr hon i fod yn ymwybodol o hynny pan fyddan nhw'n dod i bleidleisio.