English: If I deal with the point about the figures first, and then deal with your point about health inequalities, on the figures, the figures are accurate in terms of the number of appointments that are outstanding, but there isn't one fifth of people who have an outstanding appointment because some of those will be individuals on more than one list, and that's the point that I'm making. In terms of the number of people that are really waiting, it isn't actually one in five of the population. The figure you quote is an accurate figure for the number of individual appointments. I myself know that I could potentially be on two waiting lists, for the sake of argument, if I were a new patient with the two individual issues where the NHS regularly cares for me. So, that's the point that I'm making in having an accurate conversation about the scale of the challenge we face. On your point about healthcare inequalities, we recognise the pandemic has exacerbated healthcare inequalities and made them even more stark than they were before. The level of harm, the different harm that has been meted out by coronavirus - . It is not a great leveller. It is the reality that harm is done in those communities, those families, those individuals who started this pandemic with the greatest number of health inequalities at the outset. We have to make sure that the recovery does properly take account of that in how we prioritise people in the greatest clinical need, how we get to those people first, and how we make sure that our recovery doesn't exacerbate, yet again, the healthcare inequalities that there are. That means that it can't be about the sharpest elbows finding their way through a system. It's actually about how we deliberately design a recovery that does take account of all of those healthcare inequalities, and that will be difficult because of the scale of the challenge that we have. But I actually think that our prudent healthcare and value-based healthcare approach will help us to do that, to drive that into our system. This is all entirely consistent with the 'A Healthier Wales' approach that we have, where, of course, you'll recall from the outset of this term, from the parliamentary review to having 'A Healthier Wales', healthcare inequalities were very much at the heart of that plan, and they'll need to be at the heart of our recovery approach, too.
Welsh: Os caf ymdrin â'r pwynt am y ffigurau yn gyntaf, ac ymdrin wedyn â'ch pwynt am anghydraddoldebau iechyd, ar y ffigurau, mae'r ffigurau'n gywir o ran nifer yr apwyntiadau sydd eto i'w cynnal, ond nid oes un rhan o bump o'r bobl yn aros am apwyntiad oherwydd bydd rhai o'r rheini'n unigolion ar fwy nag un rhestr, a dyna'r pwynt rwy'n ei wneud. O ran nifer y bobl sy'n aros mewn gwirionedd, nid yw'n un o bob pump o'r boblogaeth mewn gwirionedd. Mae'r ffigur a ddyfynnwch yn ffigur cywir ar gyfer nifer yr apwyntiadau unigol. Gwn fy hun y gallwn fod ar ddwy restr aros o bosibl, at ddibenion y ddadl, pe bawn yn glaf newydd gyda'r ddwy broblem unigol y mae'r GIG yn rhoi gofal rheolaidd i mi gyda hwy. Felly, dyna'r pwynt rwy'n ei wneud o ran cael trafodaeth gywir am faint yr her sy'n ein hwynebu. Ar eich pwynt am anghydraddoldebau gofal iechyd, rydym yn cydnabod bod y pandemig wedi gwaethygu anghydraddoldebau gofal iechyd ac wedi eu gwneud hyd yn oed yn fwy amlwg nag yr oeddent o'r blaen. Mae lefel y niwed, y niwed gwahanol sydd wedi'i greu gan y coronafeirws - . Nid yw'n taro pawb i'r un graddau. Y realiti yw bod niwed yn digwydd i'r cymunedau, i'r teuluoedd, i'r unigolion gyda'r nifer fwyaf o anghydraddoldebau iechyd ar ddechrau'r pandemig hwn. Rhaid inni sicrhau bod yr adferiad yn rhoi ystyriaeth briodol i hynny yn y ffordd rydym yn blaenoriaethu pobl sydd â'r angen clinigol mwyaf, y ffordd rydym yn cyrraedd y bobl hynny'n gyntaf, a'r ffordd rydym yn sicrhau nad yw ein hadferiad yn gwaethygu, unwaith eto, yr anghydraddoldebau gofal iechyd sy'n bodoli. Mae hynny'n golygu na all fod mai'r lleisiau mwyaf croch sy'n gwthio drwy'r system gyflymaf. Mae'n ymwneud mewn gwirionedd â sut rydym yn mynd ati'n fwriadol i gynllunio adferiad sy'n ystyried yr holl anghydraddoldebau gofal iechyd, a bydd hynny'n anodd oherwydd maint yr her sydd gennym. Ond rwy'n credu y bydd ein dull gofal iechyd darbodus a gofal iechyd sy'n seiliedig ar werthoedd yn ein helpu i wneud hynny, i'w gynnwys yn ein system. Mae hyn i gyd yn gwbl gyson â'r dull 'Cymru Iachach' sydd gennym, lle byddwch, wrth gwrs, yn cofio o ddechrau'r tymor hwn, o'r adolygiad seneddol i gael 'Cymru Iachach', fod anghydraddoldebau gofal iechyd wrth wraidd y cynllun hwnnw yn bendant iawn, a bydd angen iddynt fod wrth wraidd ein dull adfer hefyd.