English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I would like to reply to the debate and thank everyone who's participated in it. It's true to say that this is a debate that literally effects every constituency, because everyone has pylons crossing their constituency, and everyone has pylons where perhaps they wouldn't want to see those pylons. May I start with the Minister's response to the debate? I am pleased to hear that the Welsh Government is far more involved with Ofgem now on these plans, and with National Grid, on the need to make preparations, because the motion and Plaid Cymru accept that we can't move to an improved situation overnight. This is something that we have to prepare for now as we renew and develop anew and to ensure that, where appropriate, as the motion says, we underground and, as Rhun ap Iorwerth reminded us, that we also need to undersea the cables, where necessary, for our future. Therefore I am pleased that the Government is now far more involved than they were in the past with National Grid and Ofgem. Having said that, I do think that the Government amendments are a little weak. We will certainly be rejecting those, at first sight, but we do want to work with Government where possible in order to be able to promote the interests of Wales, particularly with the National Grid and Ofgem. The debate itself has acknowledged certain successes, and Sian Gwenllian mentioned the campaign to ensure that the cables are included in a tunnel under the Menai or on the third bridge - perhaps the timing isn't quite right there, but we certainly want to ensure that the beauty of the Menai strait is treasured, maintained and respected. Nathan Gill referred to that point, and I recognise his contribution in supporting this motion. Unusually for a backbench debate, we had three members of UKIP - not three members of the UKIP group, but three members of UKIP - expressing different views. It's good to see freedom of expression within a party, but I would suggest that, perhaps, we need some more concept of where you want to take energy in Wales and economic policy in Wales, rather than having three different opinions on something that is so important. Whilst we're discussing that, I don't think I heard a sadder argument made at all than Michelle Brown's case made for moving forward here - the cheapest option possible. Well, that would allow the Aberthaw power station to overproduce gasses that are responsible for the deaths of 67 people every year in Wales. That's the sort of attitude that led to smog in London in the 1950s, and 2,000 miles of smog now across the cities of China. I don't accept that sort of future for Wales and I am seeking a far more prosperous and healthy future for all the residents of Wales. So, the 'cheapest possible' debate isn't going to hold water here. We need energy that is reliable -
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Ddirprwy Lywydd. Hoffwn ymateb i'r ddadl, a diolch i bawb sydd wedi cymryd rhan yn y ddadl hon. Mae'n wir i ddweud bod hon yn ddadl sy'n effeithio, yn llythrennol, ar bob etholaeth, gan fod gan bawb beilonau dros eu hetholaethau nhw, ac mae gan bawb beilonau mewn mannau y byddent yn dymuno peidio â chael y peilonau hynny. A gaf i ddechrau gydag ymateb y Gweinidog i'r ddadl? Mae'n dda gen i weld a chlywed bod Llywodraeth Cymru yn ymwneud llawer mwy ag Ofgem nawr ynglŷn â'r cynllunio yma, a National Grid hefyd, ynglŷn â'r angen i baratoi, achos mae'r cynnig a Phlaid Cymru'n derbyn na fedrwn ni ddim symud i sefyllfa well dros nos. Mae hynny'n rhywbeth mae'n rhaid inni baratoi ar ei gyfer nawr wrth inni adnewyddu ac wrth inni ddatblygu o'r newydd, a gwneud yn siŵr, lle mae hynny'n briodol, fel mae'r cynnig yn ei ddweud, ein bod ni'n tanddaearu ac, fel roedd Rhun ap Iorwerth yn ein hatgoffa ni, yn tanforio o bryd i'w gilydd y ceblau angenrheidiol ar gyfer ein dyfodol ni. Felly, rwy'n falch bod y Llywodraeth yn ymwneud llawer mwy nag oedden nhw yn y gorffennol gyda'r Grid Cenedlaethol ac Ofgem. Wedi dweud hynny, rydw i'n meddwl bod gwelliannau'r Llywodraeth braidd yn wan. Byddwn ni yn sicr yn gwrthod y gwelliannau ar yr olwg gyntaf, ond rydym am weithio gyda'r Llywodraeth lle mae modd hyrwyddo buddiannau Cymru, yn enwedig gyda'r Grid Cenedlaethol ac Ofgem. Mae'r ddadl ei hunan wedi cydnabod rhai llwyddiannau amlwg iawn, fel Sian Gwenllian a'r ymgyrch i wneud yn siŵr bod twnnel o dan y Fenai, neu ran o'r drydedd bont - efallai nad yw'r amseru cweit yr un peth yn fanna, ond, yn sicr, rydym ni eisiau sicrhau bod harddwch y Fenai yn cael ei drysori ac yn cael ei barchu. Roedd Nathan Gill wedi cyfeirio at hynny, ac rydw i'n cydnabod ei gyfraniad yntau yn cefnogi'r ddadl hon. Fe gawsom ni, yn anarferol iawn ar gyfer dadl meinciau cefn, dri Aelod o UKIP - nid tri aelod o'r grŵp, ond tri Aelod o UKIP - yn gwneud tri gwahanol safiad. Mae'n braf iawn gweld rhyddid barn mewn plaid, ond rydw i'n lled-awgrymu bod angen bach mwy o gysyniad o ble rydych chi eisiau mynd ag ynni yng Nghymru a darpariaeth economaidd yng Nghymru na jest cael tair gwahanol farn ar rywbeth sydd mor bwysig. Tra rydym ni yma, nid wyf i'n meddwl fy mod i wedi clywed mwy dadl mwy trist erioed na dadl Michelle Brown ynglŷn â gwrthod rhyw syniad o symud ymlaen ar y mater yma - 'cheap as possible'. Wel, dyna ddadl sy'n arwain at ganiatáu, er enghraifft, i orsaf bŵer Aberddawan orgynhyrchu llygredd sy'n lladd 67 o bobl yn gynnar bob blwyddyn yng Nghymru. Dyna'r math o agwedd sy'n arwain at smog yn ninas Llundain yn y 1950au a smog nawr, dros 2,000 milltir o hyd, dros ddinasoedd Tsieina. Nid wyf i'n derbyn y dyfodol yna ar gyfer Cymru o gwbl, ac rydw i'n chwilio am ddyfodol llawer mwy llewyrchus ac iach i bob un ohonom ni. Nid yw'r ddadl 'cheap as possible' yn mynd i ennill yn fan hyn. Rydym ni angen ynni sydd yn ddibynadwy -