English: I think one of the exciting things about the agenda, which also is one of the most difficult things about the agenda, is the richness of its diversity. There are so many different elements to it, but at its heart it is about iteration, experimentation. So it's in that co-operative, guild spirit of local enterprise and adaptation to local circumstances. And so that's why community ownership and social enterprise is very much within the grain of the movement. When we identified the £4.5 million challenge fund, which originally was a joint agreement with Plaid Cymru that we then built upon, the schemes that we agreed to fund came almost equally from the private sector, the public sector and from the third sector. This is not a monolithic, public sector-led project; it's about a cross-fertilisation of these different areas working together. And I think Huw Irranca-Davies mentioned the high street as quite a useful dashboard, really, of this approach, and Mike Hedges was contributing just earlier. It's interesting that one of the first pieces of work done by the University of Manchester group that has been pioneering this approach intellectually was in Morriston high street, where what they found through understanding what people wanted from their high street was that they valued the social infrastructure: they valued the toilets and the park more than they did free parking, actually. And we've lost a focus on that through austerity. And they also identified a key insight, which was the role of the public sector in placing themselves on the high street. They made the point that, in Morriston, for example, you're within spitting distance of the DVLA and Morriston Hospital, but those two institutions have turned their back on the high street. So, how can we get large institutions like that placing themselves in our shopping areas? And also, not far from Huw Irranca-Davies's patch, in Bridgend, we've seen another of the challenge fund projects taking work that began in Merthyr on what are called 'meanwhile spaces'. So, in town centres, creating a space, a pop-up shop, possibly, where traders - sole traders, online traders, market traders - can grow and expand and trial having a shop space to see if they can make a success of that before moving on. So, creating a space where they are in the meanwhile between the two parts of their journey. And that's been a really interesting experiment, which has got huge potential to roll out across our town centres. So, I think one of the challenges of this is how you manage it, because the more you dig into this, the more potential there is to go off in all sorts of different directions, and bringing a degree of discipline and priority to it, I think, has been one of the challenges. And this is definitely an agenda, I think, for the next Welsh Government and the Senedd. We've just begun to scratch the surface, I think, and started to generate an enthusiasm and awareness amongst the groups that we're working with of the potential of this agenda, and I hope that it will grow and grow.
Welsh: Rwy'n credu mai un o'r pethau cyffrous am yr agenda, sydd hefyd yn un o'r pethau anoddaf am yr agenda, yw cyfoeth ei hamrywiaeth. Mae cymaint o wahanol elfennau iddi, ond wrth ei gwraidd mae'n ymwneud ag iteru, arbrofi. Felly mae yn yr ysbryd cydweithredol, urdd hwnnw o fenter leol ac addasu i amgylchiadau lleol. Ac felly dyna pam mae perchnogaeth gymunedol a menter gymdeithasol yn greiddiol iawn i'r mudiad. Pan wnaethom nodi'r gronfa her £4.5 miliwn, a oedd yn gytundeb ar y cyd â Plaid Cymru yn wreiddiol ac y gwnaethom ni adeiladu arno wedyn, daeth y cynlluniau y gwnaethom gytuno i'w hariannu bron yn hafal o'r sector preifat, y sector cyhoeddus a'r trydydd sector. Nid prosiect monolithig sy'n cael ei arwain gan y sector cyhoeddus yw hwn; mae'n ymwneud â chyfnewid rhwng y gwahanol feysydd hyn i weithio gyda'i gilydd. Ac rwy'n credu bod Huw Irranca-Davies wedi sôn bod y stryd fawr yn ddangosfwrdd eithaf defnyddiol, mewn gwirionedd, o'r dull hwn, ac roedd Mike Hedges yn cyfrannu ychydig yn gynharach. Mae'n ddiddorol mai un o'r darnau cyntaf o waith a wnaed gan grŵp Prifysgol Manceinion sydd wedi bod yn arloesi'r dull hwn yn ddeallusol oedd yn stryd fawr Treforys, lle yr hyn y gwnaethon nhw ei ddarganfod trwy ddeall yr hyn yr oedd pobl ei eisiau o'u stryd fawr oedd eu bod yn gwerthfawrogi'r seilwaith cymdeithasol: roedden nhw'n gwerthfawrogi'r toiledau a'r parc yn fwy nag yr oedden nhw'n gwerthfawrogi parcio am ddim mewn gwirionedd. Ac rydym ni wedi colli pwyslais ar hynny drwy gyni. Ac fe wnaethon nhw hefyd nodi dirnadaeth allweddol, sef swyddogaeth y sector gyhoeddus o ran rhoi eu hunain ar y stryd fawr. Fe wnaethon nhw'r pwynt eich bod, yn Nhreforys, er enghraifft, o fewn pellter poeri i'r DVLA ac Ysbyty Treforys, ond mae'r ddau sefydliad hynny wedi troi eu cefn ar y stryd fawr. Felly, sut gallwn ni gael sefydliadau mawr fel y rhai hynny i leoli eu hunain yn ein hardaloedd siopa? A hefyd, nepell o ardal Huw Irranca-Davies, ym Mhen-y-bont ar Ogwr, rydym ni wedi gweld un arall o brosiectau'r gronfa her yn ailafael mewn gwaith a ddechreuodd ym Merthyr ar yr hyn a elwir yn 'fannau cyfamserol'. Felly, mewn canol trefi, gall creu lle, siop dros dro, o bosibl, lle gall masnachwyr - unig fasnachwyr, masnachwyr ar-lein, masnachwyr marchnad - dyfu ac ehangu a threialu bod â lle mewn siop i weld a allan nhw wneud llwyddiant o hynny cyn symud ymlaen. Felly, creu lle iddyn nhw fod yn y cyfamser rhwng dwy ran o'u taith. Ac mae hynny wedi bod yn arbrawf diddorol iawn, sydd â photensial enfawr i'w gyflwyno i'n holl ganol trefi. Felly, rwyf i'n credu mai un o heriau yn hyn yw sut yr ydych yn ei reoli, oherwydd po fwyaf y byddwch yn ymchwilio i hyn, y mwyaf o botensial sydd i fynd i bob math o gyfeiriadau gwahanol, a dod â rhywfaint o ddisgyblaeth a blaenoriaeth iddo, rwy'n credu, fu un o'r heriau. Ac mae hon yn bendant yn agenda, yn fy marn i, i Lywodraeth a Senedd nesaf Cymru. Rydym ni ond wedi dechrau crafu'r wyneb, rwy'n meddwl, ac wedi dechrau creu brwdfrydedd ac ymwybyddiaeth ymysg y grwpiau yr ydym yn gweithio gyda nhw o botensial yr agenda hon, ac rwy'n gobeithio y bydd yn tyfu ac yn tyfu.