English: Well, I'm sure, Llywydd, that this Chamber will be rather concerned that after eight reports over six years, the Minister and his officials had not picked up on the seriousness of this situation. We heard individual testimonies in this Chamber suggesting that those concerns actually go back a lot further than the first report that I'm referring to in 2012. I'm just really concerned, Llywydd, that this is suggesting that we have a Minister who doesn't have a grip on the system. Eight reports over six years, and nothing was done until you called for the report years ago. I try to avoid being sensationalist in the Chamber, but during those years children died, mothers were traumatised and families were traumatised. I have to ask the Minister why he thinks that we should now be reassured that he and his officials will be able to pick up on these issues effectively when they didn't for that period of years. I wonder if the Minister agrees with Owen Smith MP when he says in the Western Mail today that the Welsh Government cannot be absolved of blame for the failings in Cwm Taf. I wonder if the Minister understands that many people are concerned about what appears to be a complacent response from him. I was astonished, for example, to hear him yesterday dismiss the implications of the inverse care law - the fact that these communities that were so badly served were so poor. I was shocked to hear him dismiss that. It suggests to me that he doesn't understand those communities very well. I was also shocked - and I am not easily shocked - to hear the Minister say, when asked by ITV yesterday whether the buck stops with him, the Minister's response was that the buck stops with everyone. Well, I'm afraid I must put it to this Chamber, Llywydd, that the buck does not stop with everyone - the buck stops with the Minister. And I am going to ask him again to consider his position, and if he is unable to consider his position, to explain what further, what more serious situation would occur in the health service in Wales, what more has to go wrong before he is prepared to take personal responsibility?
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n siŵr, Lywydd, y bydd y Siambr hon braidd yn bryderus nad oedd y Gweinidog a'i swyddogion, ar ôl wyth adroddiad dros chwe blynedd, wedi sylwi ar ddifrifoldeb y sefyllfa hon. Clywsom dystiolaethau unigol yn y Siambr hon a awgrymai fod y pryderon hynny, mewn gwirionedd, yn dyddio'n ôl ymhellach o lawer na'r adroddiad cyntaf y cyfeiriaf ato yn 2012. Rwy'n bryderus dros ben, Lywydd, fod hyn yn awgrymu bod gennym Weinidog nad oes ganddo afael ar y system. Wyth adroddiad dros chwe blynedd, ac ni wnaed unrhyw beth nes i chi alw am yr adroddiad flynyddoedd yn ôl. Rwy'n ceisio osgoi cyffrogarwch yn y Siambr, ond yn ystod y blynyddoedd hynny, bu farw plant, cafodd mamau eu trawmateiddio a chafodd teuluoedd eu trawmateiddio. Mae'n rhaid i mi ofyn i'r Gweinidog pam y credwch y dylem fod yn dawel ein meddyliau bellach y bydd ef a'i swyddogion yn gallu bwrw iddi'n effeithiol ar y materion hyn ar ôl methu gwneud hynny dros y cyfnod hwnnw o flynyddoedd. Tybed a yw'r Gweinidog yn cytuno ag Owen Smith AS sy'n dweud yn y Western Mail heddiw nad yw Llywodraeth Cymru yn rhydd o fai am y methiannau yng Nghwm Taf. Tybed a yw'r Gweinidog yn deall bod llawer o bobl yn pryderu ynglŷn â'r hyn sy'n ymddangos yn ymateb hunanfodlon ganddo. Cefais fy syfrdanu, er enghraifft, wrth ei glywed ddoe yn gwrthod goblygiadau'r ddeddf gofal gwrthgyfartal - y ffaith bod y cymunedau a wasanaethwyd mor wael yn rhai mor dlawd. Cefais fy syfrdanu wrth ei glywed yn gwrthod hynny. Awgryma hynny i mi nad yw'n deall y cymunedau hynny'n dda iawn. Cefais fy syfrdanu hefyd - ac nid wyf yn cael fy syfrdanu'n hawdd - wrth glywed y Gweinidog yn dweud, pan ofynnodd ITV iddo ddoe ai ei gyfrifoldeb ef oedd hyn yn y pen draw, ymateb y Gweinidog oedd ei fod yn gyfrifoldeb i bawb yn y pen draw. Wel, mae arnaf ofn fod yn rhaid imi ddweud wrth y Siambr hon, Lywydd, nad yw'n gyfrifoldeb i bawb - cyfrifoldeb y Gweinidog ydyw. Ac rwy'n mynd i ofyn iddo, unwaith eto, i ystyried ei sefyllfa, ac os na all ystyried ei sefyllfa, gofynnaf iddo egluro beth arall, pa sefyllfa fwy difrifol a fyddai'n digwydd yn y gwasanaeth iechyd yng Nghymru, beth arall sy'n mynd i orfod mynd o'i le cyn iddo fod yn barod i dderbyn cyfrifoldeb personol?