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English: From what I gather, we're talking about the drug Sativex, which I fully endorse. I'll stand with you on this one. When you talk about - this is an unknown intervention from me; I'm new, okay. When you talk about smoking cannabis, it isn't just smoking cannabis as you would smoke a cigarette.
Welsh: O'r hyn rwy'n ei gasglu, rydym yn sôn am y cyffur Sativex, ac rwy'n ei gefnogi'n llwyr. Rwy'n cytuno â chi ar hyn. Pan ydych yn sôn am - mae hwn yn ymyriad dieithr i mi; rwy'n newydd, iawn. Pan ydych yn sôn am ysmygu canabis, nid yw'n fater o ysmygu canabis fel pe baech yn ysmygu sigarét.
English: You're taking an amount of time.
Welsh: Rydych chi'n cymryd tipyn o amser.
English: I'm really, really sorry. There are other drugs out there that are cannabis based, like cannabis oil and all those cannabinoids and - .
Welsh: Mae'n wirioneddol ddrwg gennyf. Ceir cyffuriau eraill sy'n seiliedig ar ganabis, fel olew canabis a'r holl ganabinoidau hynny ac - .
English: I do understand.
Welsh: Rwy'n deall.
English: Thank you so much. It's not just about smoking.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr i chi. Nid ag ysmygu'n unig y mae'n ymwneud.
English: I'm very pleased to be supporting this debate today. To me, it's a simple matter - a very, very simple matter. When people are suffering an illness that has symptoms that most of us don't have an idea of their seriousness, nor how they bring everyday life to a stop; where living with the condition is a real pain that paralyses someone, or makes them feel that life is not worth living; where sleep doesn't exist, night after night; I think that everything possible should be done to alleviate that suffering. What we're discussing this afternoon is the right to use cannabis as a tool to alleviate pain or suffering. Cannabis, of course, is a word that is controversial. Debates and arguments on decriminalising cannabis or legalising cannabis for recreational use have existed for many decades. There are strong viewpoints on both sides of that argument. But, today, may I appeal to people to leave their views on that debate to one side? We're not talking about that today. We're talking about a drug in the medical sense, and no other sense at all. The fact that that drug is used in a different context by some people should not be a barrier to looking at the values of cannabis as a medical drug. The Conservative Member for Clwyd West - I'm pleased to see him in the Chamber - has confused both issues in the past. I read an article where he was quoted as saying:
Welsh: Rydw i'n falch iawn o fod yn cefnogi'r ddadl yma heddiw. I mi, mae o'n fater syml iawn, iawn. Pan fydd pobl yn dioddef salwch sydd â symptomau nad sydd gan y rhan fwyaf ohonom ni ddim syniad am eu difrifoldeb nhw, na sut maen nhw'n dod â bywyd bob dydd i stop; lle mae byw efo afiechyd yn boen gwirioneddol sydd yn parlysu rhywun neu sy'n gwneud i fywyd deimlo fel bod o ddim werth ei fyw; lle nad ydy cwsg byth yn dod nos, ar ôl nos, ar ôl nos; rydw i'n meddwl y dylai popeth posib gael ei wneud i leddfu y dioddefaint hwnnw. Beth rydym ni'n ei drafod y prynhawn yma ydy'r hawl i ddefnyddio canabis fel arf i leddfu poen neu ddioddefaint. Mae canabis, wrth gwrs, yn air sydd yn ddadleuol. Mae'r ddadl am gyfreithloni neu ddad-griminaleiddio canabis ar gyfer defnydd hamdden yn un sydd wedi bodoli ers degawdau lawer. Mae yna safbwyntiau cryf iawn ar ddwy ochr y ddadl honno. Ond, heddiw, a gaf i apelio ar bobl i roi eu barn yn y ddadl honno i'r naill ochr? Nid ydym ni'n sôn am hynny heddiw. Sôn yr ydym ni am gyffur yn yr ystyr feddygol, a dim arall. Ni ddylai'r ffaith bod y cyffur hwnnw yn cael ei ddefnyddio mewn cyd-destun gwahanol gan rai pobl ddim fod yn rhwystr i edrych ar werthoedd canabis fel cyffur meddygol. Mae Aelod Ceidwadol Gorllewin Clwyd - rydw i'n falch o'i weld o yn y Siambr y prynhawn yma - yn un sydd, yn y gorffennol, wedi cymysgu rhwng y ddau beth. Darllenais i erthygl yn ddiweddar lle roedd o'n cael ei ddyfynnu yn dweud:
English: 'Cannabis, whether used for medicinal or recreational purposes, is a dangerous substance and would have catastrophic consequences to health and society if it was ever legalised.' You cannot, though, just slip out the phrase 'whether for medicinal or recreational purposes' as if the two are one and the same, because they're not, and that is the appeal I make today and, of course, I'll welcome an intervention.
Welsh: Mae canabis, pa un a yw'n cael ei ddefnyddio at ddibenion meddyginiaethol neu ddibenion hamdden, yn sylwedd peryglus a fyddai'n arwain at ganlyniadau trychinebus i iechyd ac i gymdeithas pe bai'n cael ei gyfreithloni. Fodd bynnag, ni allwch hepgor yr ymadrodd at ddibenion meddyginiaethol neu ddibenion hamdden fel pe bai'r ddau yr un fath, oherwydd nid ydynt, a dyna yw fy apêl heddiw ac wrth gwrs, rwy'n croesawu ymyriad.
English: I'm grateful to you for taking the intervention. I wrote that article because I was concerned that there was a growing number of people who were taking an interest in the use of raw cannabis for medicinal purposes. I object to the use of raw cannabis for medicinal purposes. I do not, however, object to the use of cannabis-derived drugs that are effective clinically and can reduce the sorts of symptoms that you and others in the Chamber this afternoon have been describing. We have a drug that is available in Wales, which I campaigned to be made available in Wales, and if other drugs pass through the regulatory hoops because they are found to be effective in relieving suffering, and they are derived from cannabis, then I'd have no problem with those either. But what I object to is an increased availability of raw cannabis, which I do believe could and would be abused, and be dangerous in our society in Wales.
Welsh: Diolch i chi am dderbyn yr ymyriad. Ysgrifennais yr erthygl honno am fy mod yn pryderu bod gan nifer cynyddol o bobl ddiddordeb yn y defnydd o ganabis amrwd at ddibenion meddyginiaethol. Gwrthwynebaf y defnydd o ganabis amrwd at ddibenion meddyginiaethol. Nid wyf, fodd bynnag, yn gwrthwynebu'r defnydd o gyffuriau sy'n deillio o ganabis sy'n effeithiol yn glinigol ac sy'n gallu lleihau'r mathau o symptomau rydych chi ac eraill yn y Siambr wedi bod yn eu disgrifio y prynhawn yma. Mae gennym gyffur ar gael yng Nghymru y bûm yn ymgyrchu dros ei ganiatáu, a phe bai cyffuriau eraill yn pasio drwy'r felin reoleiddiol oherwydd y gwelir eu bod yn lleddfu dioddefaint yn effeithiol, a'u bod yn deillio o ganabis, ni fyddai gennyf unrhyw broblem gyda'r rheini chwaith. Ond yr hyn rwy'n ei wrthwynebu yw argaeledd cynyddol o ganabis amrwd, a chredaf y gallai ac y byddai camddefnydd ar hynny, ac y byddai'n beryglus yn ein cymdeithas yng Nghymru.
English: I welcome that intervention, but I would point out that what we would be talking about here is possibly regulated raw cannabis, which would be much safer, of course, and would be prescribable. That is the whole point of what we're talking about. I will also address a point that was made in an intervention and also from the UKIP Member for South Wales West, who talked about smoking cannabis. Who's talking about smoking cannabis here? I think it's very important that we are able to draw that distinction. But it is irrelevant to today's debate whether Darren Millar or anybody else is right or wrong on the risks of cannabis as a recreational drug, because we're not talking about that; I hope I've made that clear. And, in fact, there are plenty, of course, of examples of the abuse of prescription drugs. You don't, as a result of the abuse of prescription drugs, ban those prescription drugs that have proven beneficial effects when used in a correct way. What you try to do is tighten control of those drugs - absolutely. Cannabis, it seems to me, is treated in the opposite way. Used widely recreationally, with beneficial effects medicinally, but not allowed to be used.
Welsh: Rwy'n croesawu'r ymyriad, ond hoffwn nodi mai'r hyn y byddem yn siarad amdano yma yw canabis amrwd wedi ei reoleiddio o bosibl, a fyddai'n fwy diogel o lawer, wrth gwrs, a byddai modd ei roi ar bresgripsiwn. Dyna holl bwynt yr hyn rydym yn sôn amdano. Rwyf am ymdrin â phwynt a wnaed mewn ymyriad hefyd gan yr Aelod UKIP dros Orllewin De Cymru, a siaradodd am ysmygu canabis. Pwy sy'n sôn am ysmygu canabis yma? Rwy'n meddwl ei bod hi'n bwysig iawn ein bod yn gallu gweld y gwahaniaeth hwnnw. Ond mae'n amherthnasol i'r ddadl heddiw a yw Darren Millar neu unrhyw un arall yn gywir neu'n anghywir ynghylch peryglon canabis fel cyffur hamdden, gan nad ydym yn sôn am hynny; gobeithio fy mod wedi gwneud hynny'n glir. Ac yn wir, ceir digon o enghreifftiau, wrth gwrs, o gamddefnyddio cyffuriau presgripsiwn. Nid ydych, o ganlyniad i gamddefnyddio cyffuriau presgripsiwn, yn gwahardd y cyffuriau presgripsiwn hynny sydd ag effeithiau buddiol profedig pan gânt eu defnyddio yn y ffordd gywir. Yr hyn rydych yn ceisio ei wneud yw tynhau'r rheolaeth ar y cyffuriau hynny - yn hollol. Mae'n ymddangos i mi fod canabis yn cael ei drin yn y ffordd gwbl groes i hynny. Caiff ei ddefnyddio at ddibenion hamdden ar raddfa eang, ac er bod iddo effeithiau buddiol yn feddyginiaethol, ni chaniateir ei ddefnyddio i'r perwyl hwnnw.
English: The evidence is clear, I think, or certainly I have been convinced. In 2016, as we heard, the results of seven months of research by a cross-party group in Westminster were published. That inquiry, in turn, was based on a world-wide review of evidence, and the very clear recommendation was that cannabis should be legalised for medical use. It is important, of course, that we draw up legislation or come to a view, as we wish to do today, based on evidence, and here we have the evidence, I think. The MS Society looked at the evidence very carefully before deciding to change its policy on this, and now they are enthusiastic supporters and enthusiastic campaigners on this issue. Why? Because they know about the advantages. They deal on a daily basis with people who are looking for ways to alleviate the effects of a cruel disease. Let us as an Assembly look objectively at the evidence and give our support to those individuals who would benefit from this sensible change.
Welsh: Mae'r dystiolaeth yn glir, rydw i'n credu, neu yn sicr mi ydw i wedi cael fy argyhoeddi. Yn 2016, fel rydym ni wedi clywed, mi gyhoeddwyd canlyniadau saith mis o ymchwil gan bwyllgor trawsbleidiol yn San Steffan. Mae'r ymchwiliad hwnnw, yn ei dro, wedi ei seilio ar adolygiad byd-eang o dystiolaeth, a'r argymhelliad clir iawn oedd y dylid cyfreithloni canabis at ddibenion meddygol. Mae hi yn bwysig iawn, wrth gwrs, ein bod ni'n llunio deddfwriaeth neu ddod i farn, fel rydym ni eisiau ei wneud heddiw, yn seiliedig ar dystiolaeth, ac yma mae'r dystiolaeth gennym ni, rydw i'n credu. Mi wnaeth Cymdeithas MS edrych ar y dystiolaeth yn ofalus iawn, iawn cyn penderfynu newid eu polisi ar hyn, a bellach maen nhw yn gefnogwyr brwd ac yn ymgyrchwyr brwd dros ddad-gyfreithloni at ddibenion meddygol. Pam? Oherwydd eu bod nhw'n gwybod am y manteision. Maen nhw'n delio yn ddyddiol â phobl sy'n chwilio am ffyrdd i liniaru effeithiau afiechyd creulon. Gadewch i ni, fel Cynulliad, hefyd edrych yn wrthrychol ar y dystiolaeth a rhoi ein cefnogaeth ni i'r unigolion hynny a fyddai'n elwa o'r newid synhwyrol hwn.
English: Thanks for giving way. I also welcome the fact that the Welsh Government did make Sativex available for the treatment of medical conditions. Isn't key to this motion, though, the problem that it is not available to all those people who need it, perhaps because there are supply issues, cost issues - whatever that might be - and people are currently being criminalised because they are having to use cannabis in the raw form, as it's been referred to, because it's not available? Those people should not be criminalised, because they have an illness and they are seeking treatment that is not available to them through the NHS currently.
Welsh: Diolch am ildio. Rwyf innau hefyd yn croesawu'r ffaith fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi sicrhau bod Sativex ar gael ar gyfer trin cyflyrau meddygol. Onid yr hyn sy'n allweddol i'r cynnig hwn, fodd bynnag, yw'r broblem nad yw ar gael i'r holl bobl sydd ei angen, efallai oherwydd bod problemau cyflenwi, costau - beth bynnag y gallai fod - ac ar hyn o bryd mae pobl yn dod yn droseddwyr am eu bod yn gorfod defnyddio canabis ar ei ffurf amrwd, fel y nodwyd, oherwydd nad yw ar gael? Ni ddylai'r bobl hynny gael eu gwneud yn droseddwyr am fod ganddynt salwch a'u bod yn chwilio am driniaeth nad yw ar gael iddynt drwy'r GIG ar hyn o bryd.
English: I don't think that's a fair characterisation of the way in which medicines are made available in the national health service. There's a challenge here about saying, 'There's an unmet need', and 'How do we get an effective, licensed, safe product available on the national health service to do that?', and simply saying, 'The answer is to make cannabis available medicinally'. I'll come on to some of the challenges about that, but Sativex became available because it fulfilled all of those criteria: the safety and efficacy tests of licensing, and then, secondly, the medicine passed the rigorous appraisal process -
Welsh: Nid wyf yn meddwl bod hwnnw'n ddisgrifiad teg o'r ffordd y mae meddyginiaethau yn dod ar gael yn y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol. Mae yma her o ran dweud, 'Ceir angen nas diwallwyd', a 'Sut rydym yn sicrhau bod cynnyrch trwyddedig, diogel, effeithiol ar gael yn y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol ar gyfer gwneud hynny?', a dweud yn syml, 'Yr ateb yw sicrhau bod canabis ar gael yn feddyginiaethol'. Fe ddof at rai o'r heriau hynny, ond daeth Sativex i fod ar gael am ei fod wedi cyflawni pob un o'r meini prawf hynny: y profion diogelwch ac effeithiolrwydd ar gyfer trwyddedu, ac yna, yn ail, fe basiodd y feddyginiaeth y broses arfarnu drwyadl -
English: - and that is the most scientific and impartial method to ensure that patients receive safe and effective medicines.
Welsh: - a dyna yw'r dull mwyaf gwyddonol a diduedd o sicrhau bod cleifion yn cael meddyginiaethau sy'n ddiogel ac yn effeithiol.
English: Just very briefly - and thank you for taking the intervention - wouldn't removing the barrier of legality help ease the way towards seeking methods of using cannabis in a medicinal way?
Welsh: Yn fyr iawn - a diolch am dderbyn yr ymyriad - oni fyddai dileu rhwystr cyfreithlondeb yn helpu i hwyluso'r ffordd tuag at ddod o hyd i ddulliau o ddefnyddio canabis mewn ffordd feddyginiaethol?
English: Yes. Please do.
Welsh: Ydw. Gwnewch hynny.
English: Thank you. I'm very grateful to you for taking the intervention. I have to say, I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with almost every word that you've said. One thing I think that would be very, very important would be further research into the benefits of cannabis and some of the medicinal purposes for which it can be used. I wonder, Minister, whether there's any work that you could do, perhaps with the AWMSG and with pharmaceutical companies, to help to isolate some of these key chemicals in the cannabis plant that might be beneficial to people's health in alleviating symptoms. Is that something that you might be able to do as a Welsh Government?
Welsh: Diolch. Rwy'n ddiolchgar iawn i chi am gymryd yr ymyriad. Rhaid imi ddweud, caf fy hun mewn sefyllfa anarferol o gytuno â bron bob gair rydych wedi eu dweud. Un peth y credaf y byddai'n eithriadol o bwysig yw rhagor o ymchwil i fanteision canabis a rhai o'r dibenion meddyginiaethol y gellir ei ddefnyddio ar eu cyfer. Tybed, Weinidog, a oes unrhyw waith y gallech ei wneud, efallai gydag AWMSG a chwmnïau fferyllol, i helpu i ynysu rhai o'r cemegau allweddol hyn yn y planhigyn canabis a allai fod yn fuddiol i iechyd pobl o ran lleddfu symptomau. A yw hynny'n rhywbeth y gallech ei wneud fel Llywodraeth Cymru?
English: The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [ Objection.] I will defer voting until voting time.
Welsh: Y cwestiwn yw: a ddylid derbyn y cynnig? A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? [ Gwrthwynebiad.] Gohiriaf y bleidlais, felly, tan y cyfnod pleidleisio.
English: The next item is a debate on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee's report on primary care clusters, and I call on the committee Chair to move the motion - Dai Lloyd.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf yw'r ddadl ar adroddiad y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon ar glystyrau gofal sylfaenol, ac rwy'n galw ar Gadeirydd y pwyllgor i wneud y cynnig - Dai Lloyd.
English: Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I'm very pleased to open this debate on our committee's report on primary care clusters. Now, for patients, primary healthcare is their first point of contact with the healthcare system in the NHS. The main source of primary healthcare is in general practice. Primary care clusters are groups of general practitioners working with other health and social care professionals, and they do so in order to plan and provide services locally. The committee decided to undertake a review into primary care clusters as we wanted to take a close look at whether this model of working is delivering improved services to patients and whether it is on track to make the systemic changes we know are needed within primary care. From December 2016 to February 2017 we ran a public consultation. We received 47 written responses, representing a range of healthcare organisations, professional groups and individual clinical staff. We heard oral evidence from a number of witnesses and at events held in Carmarthen, Caernarfon and Wrexham we met with GPs, practice managers and other representatives from clusters and LHBs. The group discussions focused on the maturity of clusters, cluster development, workforce, funding, patient satisfaction, and accountability. The evidence we heard helped us come to some very clear conclusions and enabled us to make robust recommendations to the Cabinet Secretary.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd. Rwy'n falch iawn o gael agor y ddadl yma heddiw ar adroddiad ein pwyllgor ni, y Pwyllgor Iechyd, Gofal Cymdeithasol a Chwaraeon, ar glystyrau gofal sylfaenol. I gleifion, gofal iechyd sylfaenol yw eu cyswllt cyntaf â'r system gofal iechyd. Yn y gwasanaeth iechyd gwladol, meddygon teulu sy'n darparu gofal iechyd sylfaenol yn bennaf. Grwpiau o feddygon teulu sy'n gweithio gyda gweithwyr iechyd a gofal cymdeithasol eraill yw clystyrau gofal sylfaenol, gyda'r nod o gynllunio a darparu gwasanaethau yn lleol. Penderfynodd y Pwyllgor gynnal adolygiad o glystyrau gofal sylfaenol am ein bod ni am gadarnhau a yw'r model ar gyfer y gwaith hwn yn sicrhau gwasanaethau gwell i gleifion ac a yw ar y trywydd iawn i wneud y newidiadau systemig sydd eu hangen ym maes gofal sylfaenol. Rhwng mis Rhagfyr 2016 a mis Chwefror 2017, cynhaliwyd ymgynghoriad cyhoeddus gennym. Cafwyd 47 o ymatebion ysgrifenedig, a'r rheini gan ystod o sefydliadau gofal iechyd, grwpiau proffesiynol a staff clinigol unigol. Cawsom dystiolaeth lafar gan sawl tyst ac, mewn digwyddiadau a gynhaliwyd yng Nghaerfyrddin, Caernarfon a Wrecsam, cyfarfu aelodau'r Pwyllgor â meddygon teulu, rheolwyr practisau a chynrychiolwyr eraill o glystyrau a byrddau iechyd lleol. Roedd y trafodaethau grŵp yn canolbwyntio ar aeddfedrwydd clystyrau, datblygu clystyrau, y gweithlu, cyllid, boddhad cleifion, ac atebolrwydd. Gwnaeth y dystiolaeth a glywsom ein helpu i lunio casgliadau clir iawn a'n galluogi i lunio argymhellion cadarn i Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet a'r Gweinidog.
English: Certainly, I learnt a great deal during this inquiry. I have experience in my constituency as an Assembly Member for Ynys Môn of seeing a cluster at work - a very effective cluster as I understand it. I've sat in on cluster meetings and have seen the multidisciplinary work coming together in a way that I believe was very effective on behalf of my constituents in Ynys Môn. But I've also learnt in this inquiry that a cluster can mean something very, very different in different parts of Wales, depending on everything from geography to the size of individual GP surgeries, to the kind of correlation between different elements of the multidisciplinary teams - depending on personalities even, and depending on people's attitudes towards clusters and what their purpose was. We've heard from people who were seeing the cluster as something that was genuinely there to bring a team together. We've seen federalisation happening as a further step. We've heard of others seeing clusters as a mechanism just to draw in additional funding for a particular project. So, if we look at the first recommendation, I think that that summarises, possibly, the major intention of what we discussed, which is the need for clarity with regard to what exactly a cluster is: 'The Welsh Government should publish a refreshed model for primary care clusters' and that the model needs to be clear. I'm looking forward to seeing how that will be implemented by the Government.
Welsh: Yn sicr, fe wnes i ddysgu llawer iawn yn ystod yr ymchwiliad yma. Mae gen i brofiad yn fy etholaeth, fel Aelod Cynulliad Ynys Môn, o weld clwstwr ar waith - clwstwr effeithiol iawn fel rydw i'n ei ddeall. Rwyf wedi eistedd i mewn ar gyfarfod clwstwr a gweld y gwaith amlddisgyblaethol yn tynnu at ei gilydd mewn ffordd rydw i'n credu oedd yn effeithiol iawn ar ran fy etholwyr i yn Ynys Môn. Ond rydw i hefyd wedi dysgu, rydw i'n meddwl, yn yr ymchwiliad yma, fod clwstwr yn gallu golygu rhywbeth gwahanol iawn, iawn mewn gwahanol rannau o Gymru, yn ddibynnol ar bopeth, o ddaearyddiaeth i faint meddygfeydd teulu unigol, i'r math o gydberthynas oedd yna rhwng gwahanol elfennau o'r timau amlddisgyblaethol - yn dibynnu ar bersonoliaethau, hyd yn oed, ac yn dibynnu ar agweddau pobl tuag at y clystyrau, a beth oedd eu pwrpas nhw. Rydym ni wedi clywed gan bobl a oedd yn gweld clwstwr fel rhywbeth i wirioneddol ddod â thîm at ei gilydd. Rydym ni wedi gweld ffederaleiddio'n digwydd fel cam hyd yn oed ymhellach. Rydym wedi clywed am eraill yn gweld clwstwr fel dim ond mecanwaith i ddod ag ychydig o arian ychwanegol i mewn ar gyfer rhyw brosiect neu'i gilydd. Felly, os ydym ni'n edrych ar yr argymhelliad cyntaf un, rydw i'n meddwl bod hwnnw'n crynhoi, o bosib, prif ddiben yr hyn fuom ni yn ei drafod, sef yr angen am eglurder ynglŷn â beth yn union ydy clwstwr: 'Dylai Llywodraeth Cymru gyhoeddi model newydd ar gyfer clystyrau gofal sylfaenol' a bod angen i'r model hwnnw fod yn glir. Rydw i'n edrych ymlaen at weld sut y bydd hwnnw yn cael ei weithredu arno fo gan y Llywodraeth.