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English: One of the fundamental principles I think that we are very keen to follow up is the principle of payments for outcomes or outputs. I think, tied in with that way of working, there are many positive things following on from that. The local element comes to the fore, and the element of allowing individual landowners to play a more prominent part in the decisions about their land - that is vital. It provides opportunities for them to be able to monitor as well as implement schemes - that's an important element. There are a number of good examples of these output schemes or outcome schemes - the Burren in Ireland, for example, and there are schemes in Dartmoor and in the north of England as well. It's possible that a hybrid, perhaps, of a combination of basic payment - [ Inaudible.] Yes, a combination of basic payment, but in essence this partnership of discussion between landowners to see what the ideal outputs are and then empower and provide the resources for that landowner to achieve that aim with support. I think that's vital. We bring in, as I said, these local elements and that strengthens and empowers at a grass-roots level.
Welsh: Un o'r egwyddorion sylfaenol dwi'n credu dŷn ni'n awyddus iawn i'w dilyn yw'r egwyddor o daliadau am ganlyniadau neu allbynnau. Dwi'n credu, ynghlwm â'r modd yna o weithio, fod yna lot o bethau cadarnhaol yn dilyn. Mae'r elfen leol yn amlygu ei hunan, mae'r elfen o ganiatáu i berchnogion tir unigol chwarae rhan fwy blaenllaw yn y penderfyniadau ynglŷn â'u tir nhw - mae hwnnw'n holl bwysig. Mae'n darparu cyfleon iddyn nhw allu monitro yn ogystal â gweithredu cynlluniau - mae honno'n elfen bwysig. Mae yna nifer o enghreifftiau da o'r cynlluniau allbynnau yma neu'r cynlluniau canlyniadau yma i gael - y Burren yn Iwerddon, er enghraifft, ac mae yna gynlluniau yn Dartmoor ac yng ngogledd Lloegr yn ogystal. Mae'n bosibl mai rhyw hybrid, efallai, o gyfuniad o daliad sylfaenol - [ Anghlywadwy.] Ie, cyfuniad o daliad sylfaenol, ond yn sylfaenol y bartneriaeth yma o drafodaeth rhwng perchennog y tir i weld beth yw'r allbynnau delfrydol a wedyn grymuso a rhoi'r adnoddau i'r perchennog hwnnw i gyrchu'r nod hwnnw gyda chymorth a help. Dwi'n credu bod hwnnw'n allweddol. Rŷn ni'n dod mewn, fel dywedais i, â'r elfennau lleol ac mae hynny'n cryfhau ac yn grymuso ar lefel llawr gwlad.
English: Well, the combination -
Welsh: Hynny yw, mae'r cyfuniad -
English: Depends on the circumstances.
Welsh: Yn dibynnu ar yr amgylchiadau.
English: - depends on what the priorities are that come to the fore. It could be according to species, it could be according to habitat, it could be according to landscape. A good example perhaps would be a valley, where say, the protection of hares is an aim that everyone is agreed upon. That protection plan would operate on an individual farm, but it would also be implemented across the whole area, and would require landowners to co-operate, which is an aim in itself. They would monitor, co-operate and work together, and that whole area would unite in that aim. There would be different aims then and different outcomes.
Welsh: - yn dibynnu ar beth yw'r blaenoriaethau sy'n amlygu eu hunain. Gallai fe fod yn rywogaeth, gallai fe fod yn gynefin, gallai fe fod yn dirwedd. Enghraifft dda efallai fyddai mewn cwm lle, dywedwn ni, mae gwarchod sgwarnogod yn nod y mae pob un yn cytuno â fe. Hynny yw, byddai'r cynllun gwarchodaeth yna'n gweithredu ar y fferm unigol, ond hefyd yn gweithredu dros ardal gyfan, a byddai gofyn i berchnogion tir gydweithredu, sy'n nod yn ei hunan. Bydden nhw'n monitro, yn cydweithio, yn cydweithredu, a byddai'r ardal gron yna yn uno yn y nod hwnnw. Byddai yna nodau gwahanol wedyn a chanlyniadau gwahanol.
English: But is getting that balance - and I want to hear what the others have to say as well - is getting that balance between ensuring that the footprint is big enough to have a meaningful impact on a wide level, but also that you have schemes that work for those individual farms within that area - . I'm sure there are examples, but I'm sure it's difficult to get that balance right at times.
Welsh: Ond ydy cael y cydbwysedd yna - ac dwi eisiau clywed beth sydd gyda'r lleill i ddweud hefyd - ydy cael y cydbwysedd yna rhwng sicrhau bod yr ôl troed yn ddigon mawr i gael effaith ystyrlon ar lefel eang, ond hefyd wrth gwrs bod gyda chi gynlluniau sy'n gweithio i'r ffermydd unigol o fewn hynny - . Mae'n siŵr bod yna enghreifftiau, ond mae'n anodd, rwy'n siŵr, i gael y cydbwysedd yna'n iawn ar adegau, byddwn i'n tybio.
English: I think, just to echo what Geraint says, one thing we've learned from the current scheme is that it's so large and impersonal that it wasn't working. So, the way I would try to describe it is it's achieved in a way where people can get their heads around it, so that farmers can take ownership of it, and conservationists can see on what scale we're working, and, the more local you go, the more sensitive you can make it. Then, you can have several things happening together. That is our experience in Snowdonia of working with farmers. Once you come to an understanding, and have that ownership and pride - I've seen farmers very proud of the species that they have - you can then be successful.
Welsh: Dwi'n meddwl, jest i ategu beth mae Geraint yn ei ddweud, un peth dŷn ni wedi dysgu allan o'r cynllun presennol ydy bod y cynllun mor fawr ac mor amhersonol doedd e ddim yn gweithio. Felly, y ffordd busawn i'n trio i'w ddisgrifio fo fuasai ei fod o'n cael ei gyflawni mewn ffordd lle mae pobl yn gallu cael eu pennau rownd o, fel bod y ffermwyr yn gallu cymryd perchnogaeth ohono, bod y cadwraethwyr yn deall ar ba raddfa dŷn ni'n gweithio, a'r mwyaf lleol dŷch chi'n mynd, y mwyaf sensitif dŷch chi'n gallu ei wneud o. Wedyn, medrwch chi gael sawl peth yn digwydd efo'i gilydd. Hwnna ydy'n profiad ni yn Eryri o gydweithio efo ffermwyr. Unwaith dŷch chi'n cael y dealltwriaeth yna, y perchnogaeth a'r balchder - dwi wedi gweld ffermwyr yn falch iawn o'r rhywogaethau sydd gyda nhw - mi fedrwch chi lwyddo wedyn, felly.
English: Just one final question from me on this. There is no clear definition of a land manager in 'Brexit and our land'. There is an argument, of course, about whether anybody who can deliver the public goods that we want is eligible, or whether it should be specifically targeting those active farmers that we've heard about. Do you have a view on that?
Welsh: Jest un cestiwn olaf gen i ar hwn. Does yna ddim diffiniad clir o reolwr tir yn 'Brexit a'n tir'. Mae yna ddadl, wrth gwrs, ynglŷn ag a ydy unrhyw un sy'n gallu delifro y nwyddau cyhoeddus rŷn ni eisiau eu gweld yn gymwys, neu a ddylai fe fod yn targedu'n benodol y ffermwyr gweithredol - yr active farmers - rŷn ni wedi clywed amdanyn nhw. Oes gyda chi farn ar hynny?
English: Well, national park members have definitely picked up on this, because you must remember that the context of national parks in Britain and Wales is this co-relationship between man and his activity and environment. So, they are concerned about - I don't know what the Welsh word is for it - perverse outcomes. If we do open the door to bodies that aren't active on the land to come in and buy and manage land we'll lose a social element. So, we need to be careful that we don't, in 20 years' time, see that the public purse has driven something that wasn't beneficial to the big picture.
Welsh: Wel, mae aelodau'r parc cenedlaethol wedi picio i fyny yn bendant ar hwn, achos rhaid i chi gofio mai cyd-destun i barciau cenedlaethol ym Mhrydain ac yng Nghymru ydy'r gyd-berthynas yma rhwng dyn a'i weithgaredd a'r amgylchedd. Felly, maen nhw'n ofidus o - dwi ddim yn gwybod beth ydy'r gair Cymraeg - perverse outcomes. Os dŷn ni'n agor y drws i gyrff sydd ddim yn ymarferol ar y tir i ddod i mewn a phrynu a rheoli tir byddwn ni'n colli rhywbeth cymdeithasol. Felly, mae angen bod yn ofalus nad ydyn ni, mewn 20 mlynedd, yn gweld bod y pwrs cyhoeddus wedi dreifio rhywbeth oedd ddim yn fendithiol i'r pictiwr mawr, felly.
English: I would agree with what Emyr has to say on this, certainly.
Welsh: Byddwn i'n cytuno gyda'r hyn sydd gan Emyr i'w ddweud ar hynny, yn bendant.
English: Do you want to go first?
Welsh: Wyt ti eisiau mynd gyntaf?
English: We don't have any additional powers above that. The main power, perhaps, that we have is a voluntary one, which is to bring people together to discuss this. But what does concern me about the discussion in terms of the regulatory floor is that we're looking here from an environmental perspective, but my concern is that it will be decided in accordance with trading conditions and how that trading will happen between Britain and other countries, and what that regulatory floor will be set as at a Westminster level. So, perhaps I would like to have that higher regulatory floor, but the truth is that perhaps it won't be as high as we would like because of trading requirements - the need to trade. To go back to the point that Geraint touched upon, I think that the Welsh Government has set the ambition for Welsh agricultural and rural produce and goods at a high level in terms of husbandry or the environment and food quality, but, in practice, will it follow the image that we're trying to set for this produce? So, it's where the regulatory floor and the environmental factor is in the hands of the people who consider trading, in my opinion.
Welsh: Does gennym ni ddim pwerau ychwanegol uwchben hynny. Y prif bŵer, hwyrach, sydd gennym ni ydy un gwirfoddol, sef y gallu i ymgynnull pobl at ei gilydd i drafod hyn. Ond beth sy'n poeni fi am y drafodaeth ar y llawr rheoleiddiol ydy ein bod ni'n sbïo yn fan yma o safbwynt amgylcheddol, ond fy mhryder i ydy fydd o'n cael ei benderfynu'n unol ag amodau masnachu, a sut bydd y masnachu'n digwydd rhwng Prydain a gwledydd eraill, a beth fydd y llawr rheoleiddiol yn cael ei benderfynu yn San Steffan. Felly, hwyrach y buaswn i'n dymuno cael y llawr rheoleiddiol uwch yma, ond y gwirionedd ydy hwyrach fydd o ddim mor uchel ag y byddem ni'n leicio oherwydd anghenion masnachu - er mwyn gallu masnachu. I fynd yn ôl i'r pwynt y gwnaeth Geraint dwtsh arno fo, dwi'n meddwl bod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi rhoi'r uchelgais i nwyddau amaethyddol a chefn gwlad o Gymru fod o safon uchel yn nhermau plismonaeth anifeiliaid, neu'r amgylchedd ac ansawdd bwyta, ond a ydy'r ymarferiad yn mynd i ddilyn y ddelwedd rydym ni'n trio ei greu am y cynnyrch? So, mae o lle mae'r llawr rheoleiddiol a'r ffactor amgylcheddol yn nwylo'r bobl sydd yn ystyried y safbwynt masnacha, yn fy marn i.
English: You would hope that that's true, but there's been enough discussion about chlorinated chicken and things like that, and the environmental standards in which beef is produced in America, and South America specifically. So, I don't know if it'll be environmentally -
Welsh: Buasai rhywun yn gobeithio bod hynny'n wir, ond mae digon o drafod wedi bod am bethau fel chlorinated chicken a'r safonau amgylcheddol y mae eidion yn cael ei gynhyrchu ynddo fo yn yr Amerig ac yn Ne'r Amerig yn benodol. So, dwi ddim yn gwybod os bydd yn amgylcheddol -
English: We'll see.
Welsh: Gawn ni weld.
English: Could I just add to that? There are a number of stories about the grants that have come out recently. I've seen one about an investment of £400,000 in a shed in which to keep animals, which is a shed that would have happened anyway, exactly as Geraint said, through the market. So, the question for me here is: where does intervention need to happen? Why is there a need to put public money into that structure? And the category of investment, perhaps, that's at risk is those small to medium-sized farms - those that have a social value, but also, perhaps, those that have a higher environmental value. If we can make those units viable through using labour more effectively, we're releasing the potential of those people to do something else in rural areas or to undertake agri-environmental work as well. So, there is a need to have a better definition of what sustainable agriculture is - is it an economic one or an environmental one as well?
Welsh: Gaf fi jest ychwanegu at hynny? Mae yna sawl stori am y grantiau sydd wedi dod allan yn ddiweddar. Dwi wedi nodi un buddsoddiad gwerth £400,000 mewn sied i gadw anifeiliaid, sef sied a fuasai wedi digwydd beth bynnag, yn union fel y mae Geraint wedi'i ddweud, drwy'r farchnad. Felly, y cwestiwn i mi yn fan yma ydy: ble mae ymyrraeth angen digwydd? Pam fod angen rhoi pres cyhoeddus i mewn i'r strwythur yna? A'r categori o fuddsoddiad, hwyrach, sydd o dan risg ydy'r ffermydd canolig a bach - rheini sydd efo gwerth cymdeithasol, ond hefyd hwyrach rheini sydd â gwerth amgylcheddol uwch iddyn nhw. Ac os dŷn ni'n gallu gwneud yr unedau yna'n hyfyw trwy ddefnyddio llafur yn fwy effeithiol, rydyn ni'n rhyddhau potensial y bobl yna i wneud rhywbeth arall yng nghefn gwlad neu i wneud gwaith amaeth-amgylcheddol hefyd, felly. So, mae eisiau cael gwell diffiniad ar beth yw amaethyddiaeth gynaliadwy - ydy o'n un economaidd ynteu amgylcheddol hefyd?
English: In addition to that, Llyr mentioned earlier how the private sector's helping with this. There is a movement, and there are some farms or clusters of farms in the Wye valley that have milk contracts where the supermarkets set environmental conditions on the milk in the contract. So, you need to look at that end as well, not just the regulations and the public sector to improve water standards.
Welsh: Yn ychwanegol at hynny, clywsom ni gan Llyr yn gynnau am sut mae'r sector breifat yn helpu hyn. Mae yna symudiad, ac mae yna rai ffermydd neu glystyrau o ffermydd yn ardal y Gwy sydd efo contractiau llefrith lle mae'r archfarchnad yn rhoi gofynion amgylcheddol ar y llaeth yn y contract. So, mae'n rhaid sbïo ar y pen yna hefyd, dim jest ar y rheoleiddio a'r sector gyhoeddus i wella ansawdd dŵr.
English: To answer your question, I think - because if we go back in time to NAS and ADAS, there was great investment from the Government centrally to give land managers and farmers technical advice on how to improve productivity. When I started my career at the national park, there were 10 ADAS officers who advised farmers in the Meirionydd area on how to drain, cultivate, take out hedges and take out walls. So, farmers, with support, can do whatever the policy asks - well, within reason. So, I don't think this is any different. We need to give consistent support and advice to them. We have a bit of an advantage in the national parks, because we have that relationship already and we have those links with the agricultural sector, so, if you take the vision of the Welsh Government for the parks and areas of natural beauty, they ask us to do that work, and sometimes outside of our boundaries as well. So, we can offer some kind of structure to provide advice, but it's important that it's advice that's pitched correctly and that farmers are comfortable with it because they are going to make the difference at the end of the day.
Welsh: I ateb eich cwestiwn chi, dwi'n meddwl - achos os ydyn ni'n mynd yn ôl mewn amser, NAS, ADAS ac felly, roedd yna fuddsoddiad mawr gan y Llywodraeth yn ganolog i roi'r cyngor technegol i reolwyr tir a ffermwyr ar sut i wella cynhyrchiant. Pan wnes i ddechrau fy ngyrfa yn y parc cenedlaethol, roedd yna 10 swyddog ADAS yn cynghori ffermwyr yn ardal Meirionydd ar sut i ddraenio, aredig, tynnu gwrychoedd allan, tynnu waliau allan. Felly, mae ffermwyr, gyda chefnogaeth, yn gallu gwneud rhywbeth mae polisi - wel, o fewn rheswm, mai polisi'n ei ofyn. Felly, dwi'n meddwl dydy hwn yn ddim gwahanol: bod eisiau rhoi cefnogaeth a rhoi cyngor cyson iddyn nhw. Mae gennym ni bach o fantais yn y parciau cenedlaethol achos mae'r berthynas yna gennym ni'n barod ac mae'r cysylltiadau gennym ni efo'r sector amaeth. So, os ydych chi'n cymryd gweledigaeth Llywodraeth Cymru i'r parciau a'r ardaloedd o harddwch naturiol, maen nhw'n gofyn inni wneud y gwaith yna, ac weithiau y tu allan i'n ffiniau hefyd. So, mi fedrwn ni gynnig rhyw fath o strwythur i roi cyngor, ond mae'n bwysig ei fod o'n gyngor sy'n cael ei bitsio'n iawn a bod ffermwyr yn gyfforddus efo fo achos nhw sydd yn gwneud y gwahaniaeth ar ddiwedd y dydd, felly.
English: I completely echo what Emyr has said. There is a need for that investment upfront, if you like, from Welsh Government to ensure that that investment is going to be effective and efficient. And I think that we've been through a period where there was pressure on the administrative costs of agri-environment schemes, and that was having a detrimental impact on delivery of those schemes. If the resources are going to be used correctly, there is a need for advice, and there has to be a structure and infrastructure that are sufficient and effective enough to ensure that that investment is at its most effective. A good example would be grazing in semi-natural habitats. We have in Pembrokeshire a local grazing scheme that ensures that some of our most fragile habitats are grazed, and the grazing is key in this. As far as I know, we're the only local grazing scheme in Wales. There is a need for assistance across the country to ensure that there are local schemes like these that are prosperous throughout the whole of Wales. And there is a need for strategic aid to do that. There is a body called Pori Natur a Threftadaeth that you've been funding for about three years to do that work. PONT should be funded into the future, into the medium-term future and longer term future. There are a number of examples where the Welsh Government can create infrastructure for the medium and longer term that will ensure that the public investment is an effective one.
Welsh: Dwi'n ategu'n llwyr yr hyn mae Emyr wedi'i ddweud. Hynny yw, mae angen y buddsoddiad yna upfront, os mynnwch chi, oddi wrth Lywodraeth Cymru i sicrhau bod y buddsoddiad yna yn mynd i fod yn effeithiol ac yn effeithlon. Dwi'n credu ein bod ni wedi bod trwy gyfnod lle'r oedd yna wasgfa ar gostau gweinyddu cynlluniau amaeth-amgylcheddol, ac roedd honno'n cael effaith andwyol ar delivery y cynlluniau yna. Os ydy'r adnoddau'n mynd i gael eu defnyddio'n iawn, mae'n rhaid cael cyngor ac mae'n rhaid cael strwythur ac isadeiledd digonol ac effeithiol i sicrhau bod y buddsoddiad yna ar ei fwyaf effeithiol. Enghraifft dda fyddai pori cynefinoedd lled-naturiol. Mae gyda ni ym Mhenfro gynllun pori lleol i sicrhau bod rhai o'n cynefinoedd mwyaf bregus ni yn cael eu pori, ac mae'r pori'n gwbl allweddol. Ni, gymaint â dwi'n gwybod, yw'r unig gynllun pori lleol yng Nghymru. Mae angen cynhorthwy ledled y wlad i sicrhau bod yna gynlluniau pori lleol yn ffyniannus trwy Gymru benbaladr. Ac mae eisiau cynhorthwy strategol i wneud hynny. Mae yna gorff o'r enw Pori Natur a Threftadaeth rŷch chi wedi bod yn ei ariannu ers rhyw dair blynedd i wneud y gwaith hwnnw. Dylai PONT gael ei ariannu i'r dyfodol, y tymor canolig ac i'r tymor hir. Ac mae yna nifer o enghreifftiau lle y gall Lywodraeth Cymru greu isadeiledd i'r tymor canolig a'r tymor hir fydd yn sicrhau bod y buddsoddiad cyhoeddus yn un effeithiol.
English: I would echo what Brendan and Steve have said. I do think that monitoring is a long-term issue. I think we need to tie in monitoring to that wider monitoring that's happening so that the monitoring of the agri-environment scheme is one measure of a number of measures of the health of our environment in Wales. Another point that I would make regarding monitoring is that if we go for the agri-environment model of outputs or results, then landowners would have a role in monitoring their land and that, then, would tie in, or those data could feed in to the regional and national data sets. Being part of monitoring the health of what they're doing on their farms would empower and be beneficial to farmers that are part of a scheme.
Welsh: Byddwn i'n ategu'r hyn mae Brendan a Steve wedi'i ddweud. Dwi'n credu bod monitro'n rhywbeth hirdymor. Dwi'n credu bod eisiau clymu monitro i mewn i'r monitro ehangach sy'n digwydd, felly bod monitro'r cynllun amaeth-amgylcheddol yn un mesur o nifer o fesurau o iechyd ein hamgylchedd ni yng Nghymru. Pwynt arall byddwn i'n ei wneud ynglŷn â monitro yw, o fynd am y model amaeth-amgylcheddol allbynnau neu ganlyniadau, byddai gan berchnogion tir rôl i fonitro'u tir nhw a hwnnw, wedyn, yn clymu i mewn, neu'r data hynny'n gallu bwydo i mewn i data sets rhanbarthol a chenedlaethol. Dwi'n credu byddai bod yn rhan o fonitro iechyd yr hyn maen nhw'n ei wneud ar eu ffermydd yn grymuso ac yn fanteisiol i amaethwyr sy'n rhan o gynllun.
English: The only thing I would add is how important it is to have farmers or land managers self-evaluate whether they're successful. Because confidence and ownership are important.
Welsh: Yr unig beth y buaswn i'n ategu ydy pa mor bwysig ydy hi i gael amaethwyr neu reolwyr tir i hunain-arfarnu os ydyn nhw'n llwyddiannus. Achos, mae hyder a pherchnogaeth yn bwysig.
English: I have received notification under Standing Order 12.58 that the Minister for Environment, Energy and Rural Affairs, Lesley Griffiths, will answer questions on behalf of the First Minister. The first question, therefore, is from Siân Gwenllian.
Welsh: Yr wyf wedi cael gwybod o dan Reol Sefydlog 12.58 y bydd Gweinidog yr Amglychedd, Ynni a Materion Gwledig, Lesley Griffiths, yn ateb cwestiynau heddiw ar ran y Prif Weinidog. Mae'r cwestiwn cyntaf, felly, gan Siân Gwenllian.
English: Diolch. Betsi Cadwaladr University Local Health Board is currently implementing changes to vascular services that were publicly consulted on and agreed in January 2013 as part of its service change programme. There have been no changes made to this decision. We anticipate the service will be operational from 8 April 2019.
Welsh: Diolch. Mae Bwrdd Iechyd Lleol Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr wrthi'n gweithredu newidiadau i wasanaethau fasgwlaidd yr ymgynghorwyd arnynt yn gyhoeddus ac a gytunwyd ym mis Ionawr 2013 yn rhan o'i raglen newid gwasanaeth. Ni wnaed unrhyw newidiadau i'r penderfyniad hwn. Rydym ni'n rhagweld y bydd y gwasanaeth yn weithredol o 8 Ebrill 2019 ymlaen.
English: I, today, am discussing the process, not the principle, of removing emergency services from Bangor - but the process itself - and how the decision was reached. In the spring of last year, the health board gave its stamp of approval to retaining emergency services in Bangor, and all the GPs in the area received a letter stating this. The board hasn't reversed this decision, and in numerous statements, unfortunately, it has become apparent that the emergency vascular services are to be removed from Bangor. I'll ask again, therefore: when was the decision changed? You talk about 2013, but in 2018 there was a change of mind. When was that original decision of 2013 returned to, and can you show me where the record of that is in the board papers?
Welsh: Dwi heddiw yn sôn am y broses, nid yr egwyddor, o symud gwasanaethau brys o Fangor - ond am y broses ei hun - a sut y cyrhaeddwyd at y penderfyniad. Yn y gwanwyn y llynedd, fe roddodd y bwrdd iechyd ei sêl bendith i gadw gwasanaethau brys ym Mangor, ac fel gafodd holl feddygon teulu yr ardal lythyr yn dweud hyn. Dydy'r bwrdd ddim wedi newid y penderfyniad yma, ac mewn datganiadau di-ri, mae hi, ysywaeth, yn amlwg fod y gwasanaethau fascwlaidd brys yn cael eu symud o Fangor. Dwi'n gofyn eto felly, os gwelwch yn dda: pryd y cafwyd y newid meddwl yma? Dŷch chi'n sôn am 2013; yn 2018 fe newidiwyd meddwl. Pryd aed yn ôl felly at y penderfyniad gwreiddiol yn 2013, ac a fedrwch chi ddangos i mi lle mae'r cofnod ar gyfer hwnnw ym mhapurau'r bwrdd?