English: It just begs the question: how much consideration had you given to previous iterations of these proposals, or whether you had been involved at all? Because you sound as if you're disowning what we've had so far, because you haven't had a chance to look at the file that you've now been provided with. So, I think that there are big questions there about who's making decisions or bringing forward suggestions around this. Now, I've hinted earlier that there could well be unforeseen - or maybe foreseen - negative consequences from what seemed to be your previous approach. Now, we not only know that there are huge spikes in nitrate levels in those areas where we've seen, in the past, closed periods - you know, nitrates spiking immediately before the closed period and immediately after, for obvious reasons - but also, there is concern that there could well be a loss of cattle from Welsh farms and a subsequent reduction in mixed grazing on Welsh uplands. Now, farms with 20 or 30 suckler cows are not going to invest tens of thousands of pounds in new infrastructure to meet the requirements of these new regulations, because that is wholly disproportionate to the low levels of stock that they keep. They're telling me that the choice for them, therefore, is to go out of cattle farming, and that will bring with it, of course, the subsequent consequences to upland habitats and biodiversity, but also to the wider beef sector here in Wales. Environmental organisations are concerned about that potential outcome. Hybu Cig Cymru is also concerned at the potential outcome to the wider beef sector. Nobody here is saying, 'Don't do anything' - that needs to be understood and heard by everyone - but as far as I'm concerned, so far, the Government has clearly failed to make the case for your proposals, or to provide evidence that justifies the approach that you seem to wish to pursue. So, I would ask you to revisit again these proposals and, please, to look at the 45 recommendations that came from the agricultural pollution sub-group, which should have been properly considered as part of the regulatory impact assessment that has been available in draft form.
Welsh: Mae'n gofyn y cwestiwn: faint o ystyriaeth roeddech wedi'i rhoi i iteriadau blaenorol o'r cynigion hyn, neu a fuoch yn rhan ohonynt o gwbl? Oherwydd rydych yn swnio fel pe baech yn diystyru'r hyn rydym wedi'i gael hyd yn hyn, gan nad ydych wedi cael cyfle i edrych ar y ffeil a ddarparwyd i chi. Felly, credaf fod cwestiynau mawr i'w gofyn ynglŷn â phwy sy'n gwneud penderfyniadau neu'n cyflwyno awgrymiadau ynglŷn â hyn. Nawr, rwyf wedi awgrymu eisoes y gallai fod canlyniadau negyddol annisgwyl - neu ddisgwyliedig, efallai - yn sgil eich dull blaenorol o fynd ati. Nawr, nid yn unig y gwyddom fod cynnydd enfawr mewn lefelau nitradau yn yr ardaloedd hynny lle rydym wedi gweld, yn y gorffennol, cyfnodau gwaharddedig - cynnydd mewn nitradau yn union cyn y cyfnod gwaharddedig ac yn syth ar ei ôl, am resymau amlwg - ond hefyd, ceir pryder y gallai ffermydd Cymru golli gwartheg, a gostyngiad dilynol o ran pori cymysg ar ucheldir Cymru. Nawr, nid yw ffermydd ag 20 neu 30 o fuchod sugno yn mynd i fuddsoddi degau o filoedd o bunnoedd mewn seilwaith newydd i fodloni gofynion y rheoliadau newydd hyn, gan fod hynny'n gwbl anghymesur â'r lefelau isel o stoc y maent yn eu cadw. Dywedant wrthyf mai'r dewis iddynt hwy, felly, yw rhoi'r gorau i ffermio gwartheg, a bydd hynny, wrth gwrs, yn arwain at ganlyniadau dilynol i fioamrywiaeth a chynefinoedd yr ucheldir, ond hefyd i'r sector cig eidion ehangach yma yng Nghymru. Mae sefydliadau amgylcheddol yn poeni am y canlyniad posibl hwnnw. Mae Hybu Cig Cymru hefyd yn pryderu am y canlyniad posibl i'r sector cig eidion ehangach. Nid oes unrhyw un yma yn dweud, 'Peidiwch â gwneud unrhyw beth' - mae angen i bawb ddeall a chlywed hynny - ond o'm rhan i, hyd yn hyn, mae'r Llywodraeth yn amlwg wedi methu dadlau'r achos dros eich cynigion, neu ddarparu tystiolaeth sy'n cyfiawnhau'r dull rydych yn awyddus i'w fabwysiadu yn ôl pob golwg. Felly, hoffwn ofyn i chi ailedrych ar y cynigion hyn, ac os gwelwch yn dda, i edrych ar y 45 o argymhellion a gafwyd gan yr is-grŵp llygredd amaethyddol, a ddylai fod wedi cael eu hystyried yn briodol fel rhan o'r asesiad effaith rheoleiddiol sydd wedi bod ar gael ar ffurf drafft.