techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Well, I think the important point here is that you've combined the franchise investment with the investment that is allocated for infrastructure. The figures that we have, which are very robust figures, are also supported by the data that I've highlighted from the Institute for Public Policy Research, which shows a huge, huge gap between per capita spending in London and per capita spending outside of London. I'd stress again: we are not alone in feeling very, very angry at the historic underfunding of rail infrastructure outside of the most urbanised area of the UK. I think this is something that politicians certainly on the left have recognised, and that's why we've had such support from metro mayors, for example, in Manchester and in Liverpool. I think it's about time that UK Government Ministers also accept the historic underfunding and the huge gap between the rest of the UK and the capital of the UK, and then got down to work to actually invest more in Wales and other parts of Britain.
Welsh: Wel, rwy'n credu mai'r pwynt pwysig yma yw eich bod wedi cyfuno buddsoddiad masnachfraint â buddsoddiad sydd wedi'i ddyrannu ar gyfer seilwaith. Hefyd mae'r ffigurau sydd gennym, sydd yn ffigurau cadarn iawn, wedi'u cefnogi gan y data yr ydych wedi tynnu sylw ati gan y Sefydliad Ymchwil Polisi Cyhoeddus, sy'n dangos bod bwlch enfawr, enfawr rhwng gwariant y pen yn Llundain a gwariant y pen y tu allan i Lundain. Byddwn yn pwysleisio eto: nid ydym ar ein pennau ein hunain yn teimlo'n ddig iawn, iawn am y tanariannu hanesyddol ar seilwaith rheilffyrdd y tu allan i ardal drefol fwyaf y DU. Credaf fod hyn yn rhywbeth y mae gwleidyddion yn sicr ar y chwith wedi'i gydnabod, a dyna pam yr ydym ni wedi cael y fath gymorth gan feiri metro, er enghraifft, ym Manceinion ac yn Lerpwl. Credaf ei bod yn hen bryd i Weinidogion Llywodraeth y DU hefyd dderbyn y tanariannu hanesyddol a'r bwlch enfawr rhwng gweddill y DU a phrifddinas y DU, ac yna bwrw ati i weithio i fuddsoddi go iawn yng Nghymru a rhannau eraill o Brydain.
English: Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Last Thursday, the Betsi Cadwaladr University Local Health Board received the Donna Ockenden review of governance in mental health services in north Wales. This is another difficult report for the board, but the findings should not be a surprise to them. Donna Ockenden has drawn heavily on other reports, reviews and inspections of the board since 2009. The message is clear: the board must increase the pace of improvement and change. And I'm sure that no-one in this Chamber or outside will disagree with that. The board will also know how clearly I have set out my own expectations for the coming period.
Welsh: Diolch ichi, Dirprwy Lywydd. Ddydd Iau diwethaf, derbyniodd Bwrdd Iechyd Lleol Prifysgol Betsi Cadwaladr adolygiad Donna Ockenden o lywodraethu mewn gwasanaethau iechyd meddwl yn y gogledd. Dyma adroddiad anodd arall ar gyfer y Bwrdd, ond ni ddylai'r canfyddiadau fod yn syndod iddynt. Mae Donna Ockenden wedi dibynnu'n fawr ar adroddiadau, adolygiadau ac arolygiadau eraill o'r bwrdd ers 2009. Mae'r neges yn glir: mae'n rhaid i'r bwrdd gynyddu cyflymder y gwelliannau a'r newid. Ac rwy'n siŵr na fydd neb yn y Siambr hon neu'r tu allan yn anghytuno â hynny. Bydd y Bwrdd hefyd yn gwybod pa mor glir yr wyf wedi nodi fy nisgwyliadau fy hun ar gyfer y cyfnod sydd i ddod.
English: Are you winding up now, please?
Welsh: A ydych chi'n dirwyn i ben yn awr, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: - to deal with that.
Welsh: - i ymdrin â hynny.
English: You will be aware, Cabinet Secretary - . I will, Deputy Presiding Officer, in a second. You will be aware, Cabinet Secretary, that, as a result of the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, organisations can be found guilty of corporate manslaughter as a result of 'serious management failures resulting in a gross breach of duty of care'. Many people in north Wales - people in this Assembly too - are concerned that the Betsi Cadwaladr health board is guilty of just that. So, can I ask you: will you be referring the contents of this report to the police and to the Crown Prosecution Service for them to be able to consider whether there is a case to answer in terms of corporate manslaughter and corporate homicide, because I think that there may be justice in doing just that? Can I ask also about estate -
Welsh: Byddwch chi'n ymwybodol, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet - . Byddaf, Dirprwy Lywydd, mewn eiliad. Byddwch yn ymwybodol, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, o ganlyniad i Ddeddf Dynladdiad Corfforaethol 2007, y gall sefydliadau eu cael yn euog o ddynladdiad corfforaethol o ganlyniad i fethiannau rheoli difrifol sy'n arwain at dorri dyletswydd gofal yn ddifrifol. Mae llawer o bobl yn y gogledd - pobl yn y Cynulliad hwn hefyd - yn pryderu bod bwrdd iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr yn euog o'r union beth hwnnw. Felly, a gaf i ofyn ichi: a fyddwch chi'n cyfeirio cynnwys yr adroddiad hwn i'r heddlu a Gwasanaeth Erlyn y Goron er mwyn iddynt allu ystyried a oes achos i'w ateb o ran dynladdiad corfforaethol, oherwydd rwy'n credu bod cyfiawnhad dros wneud yr union beth hwnnw? A gaf i ofyn hefyd am ystâd -
English: Please - [ Interruption.] Excuse me, from a sedentary position, I don't need any help, thank you, and I'm asking the Conservative spokesperson to wind up. He's had longer than the Minister took.
Welsh: Os gwelwch yn dda - [ Torri ar draws.] Esgusodwch fi, o fod ar fy eistedd, does dim angen unrhyw gymorth arnaf i, ac rwy'n gofyn i lefarydd y Ceidwadwyr ddirwyn i ben. Mae wedi cael mwy o amser nag y cymerodd y Gweinidog.
English: I will wind up. And I think it's regrettable that we don't have more time, frankly, in a Government debate to be able to consider some of these issues this week, but no doubt we will return to it - we'll probably have to return to it in opposition time. Just one final question from me, given that my time has run out, and that is about the estate issues that are referred to in this report. I know that one of the issues that was reported to us in the letter - the open letter - from the Betsi Cadwaladr health board was the need for some capital improvements to be made in north Wales. I know for a fact that bids have gone in to the Welsh Government - some of them 18 months ago - to make some of the improvements that are necessary, and yet you have failed to be able to respond to those bids. You've not even said 'no' - at least if they had a 'no', they would be able to look at other ways of trying to make some of these improvements. Why on earth can't you pull your finger out and make some decisions on these matters so that we can make the progress in north Wales that is absolutely required so that we can get the improvements in place that patients deserve?
Welsh: Fe wnaf ddirwyn i ben. Ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn drueni nad oes gennym ni fwy o amser, a dweud y gwir, mewn dadl Llywodraeth i allu ystyried rhai o'r materion hyn yr wythnos hon, ond byddwn ni'n dychwelyd ato heb amheuaeth - mae'n debyg y bydd yn rhaid inni ddychwelyd ato yn amser y gwrthbleidiau. Dim ond un cwestiwn olaf gennyf i, o ystyried bod fy amser wedi dod i ben, a hwnnw am faterion yr ystâd y cyfeirir atyn nhw yn yr adroddiad hwn. Gwn mai un o'r materion a adroddwyd wrthym ni yn y llythyr - y llythyr agored - gan fwrdd iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr oedd yr angen i wneud rhai gwelliannau cyfalaf yn y gogledd. Rwy'n gwybod am ffaith fod cynigion wedi eu cyflwyno i Lywodraeth Cymru - rhai ohonyn nhw 18 mis yn ôl - i wneud rhai o'r gwelliannau sydd eu hangen, ac eto rydych chi wedi methu ag ymateb i'r ceisiadau hynny. Dydych chi ddim hyd yn oed wedi dweud 'na' - o leiaf pe byddai ganddyn nhw 'na', bydden nhw'n gallu ystyried ffyrdd eraill o geisio gwneud rhai o'r gwelliannau hyn. Pam ar y ddaear na allwch chi weithredu a gwneud rhai penderfyniadau ar y materion hyn fel y gallwn ni wneud y cynnydd yn y gogledd sy'n gwbl ofynnol fel y gallwn ni roi'r gwelliannau ar waith y mae'r cleifion yn eu haeddu?
English: Cabinet Secretary - [ Interruption.] Sorry, if I hear any more comments like that, I will suspend the proceedings until people are listening quietly. I will not have sedentary comments from people who are not taking part in this debate. Cabinet Secretary.
Welsh: Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet - [ Torri ar draws.] Mae'n ddrwg gen i, os clywaf i fwy o sylwadau fel hynny, byddaf yn atal y trafodion hyd nes y bydd pobl yn gwrando'n dawel. Ni fyddaf yn derbyn sylwadau gan bobl ar eu heistedd nad ydynt yn cymryd rhan yn y ddadl. Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet.
English: Sorry. Sorry, Cabinet Secretary. Darren Millar, if you can't keep quiet from a sedentary position - . You have now had several interventions from a sedentary position, and sighing from your backbenches does not help you either. Sorry.
Welsh: Mae'n ddrwg gen i. Mae'n ddrwg gen i, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet. Darren Millar, os na allwch chi gadw'n dawel ar eich eistedd - . Rydych chi wedi cael sawl ymyriad ar eich eistedd, a dydy ochneidio o'ch meinciau cefn ddim yn eich helpu chi ychwaith. Mae'n ddrwg gen i.
English: There are several areas of excellence and high quality being provided within north Wales, and I do think that there is room for temperance and responsibility in the way that we address healthcare services in every part of the country, and that includes the scrutiny that could and should be provided to an area of continuing concern that I do not seek to hide from at any point whatsoever.
Welsh: Mae sawl maes o ragoriaeth ac ansawdd uchel a ddarperir yn y gogledd, ac rwy'n credu bod lle i gymedroldeb a chyfrifoldeb yn y modd yr ydym ni'n ymdrin â gwasanaethau gofal iechyd ym mhob rhan o'r wlad, ac mae hynny'n cynnwys y craffu y gellid ac y dylid ei ddarparu i faes sy'n parhau i beri pryder, ac nid wyf yn ceisio cuddio oddi wrth hynny ar unrhyw adeg o gwbl.
English: We are out of time, but I will call Angela Burns. You are the third speaker in your group - I'll just give that gentle reminder. Thank you.
Welsh: Mae ein hamser ni ar ben, ond fe wnaf alw ar Angela Burns. Chi yw'r trydydd siaradwr yn eich grŵp - rwy'n mynd i'ch atgoffa'n dyner o hynny. Diolch.
English: Thank you very much indeed. I do only have one question, but a very small preamble, which is that this report is the culmination of two and a half years of detailed work. Several thousand documents, some previously unpublished, have been reviewed by the team, 200 interviews with current and former staff and current and recent service users, across the six counties of north Wales, and it's four and a half years, as you yourself say in your statement, since the concerns were first raised. In that time, there have been three joint reviews of governance, in 2013, 2014 and 2017. Healthcare Inspectorate Wales have reported on the Betsi Cadwaladr health board, as well as the Wales Audit Office, the NHS delivery unit and various royal colleges. There has been targeted intervention since 2014-15, and special measures from 2015. I think it's an absolute disgrace that it has taken so long for this to turn around, and so my one question to you is: how much longer will you give them to make real, sustained improvement? Before you answer, I will tell you, as somebody who has run businesses that have been in awful trouble and tried to rescue them - some successfully, some not so - you can't just answer with, 'As long as it takes', because there comes a point when the critical mass spills over. You have to have an end game, and I'm not confident, Cabinet Secretary, that there is an end game of when you expect to see - your words, not mine - real sustained improvement. Because as Llyr Huws Gruffydd said, we shouldn't be having this discussion again.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Dim ond un cwestiwn sydd gen i, ond rhagymadrodd bach iawn, sef bod yr adroddiad hwn yn benllanw dwy flynedd a hanner o waith manwl. Mae'r tîm wedi adolygu miloedd o ddogfennau, rhai ohonyn nhw heb eu cyhoeddi o'r blaen, 200 o gyfweliadau â staff presennol a chyn-staff a defnyddwyr gwasanaeth presennol a diweddar, ar draws chwe sir y gogledd, ac mae'n bedair mlynedd a hanner, fel rydych chi eich hun yn ei ddweud yn eich datganiad ers i'r pryderon cyntaf gael eu mynegi. Yn yr amser hwnnw, bu tri adolygiad llywodraethu ar y cyd, yn 2013, 2014 a 2017. Mae Arolygiaeth Gofal Iechyd Cymru wedi adrodd ar fwrdd iechyd Betsi Cadwaladr, yn ogystal â Swyddfa Archwilio Cymru, uned cyflenwi'r GIG a cholegau brenhinol amrywiol. Bu ymyrraeth wedi'i thargedu ers 2014-15, a mesurau arbennig ers 2015. Rwy'n meddwl ei bod yn gwbl warthus ei bod wedi cymryd cyhyd i droi hyn o amgylch, ac felly fy un cwestiwn ichi yw: faint yn fwy o amser ydych chi'n mynd i'w roi iddyn nhw i wneud gwelliant go iawn, wedi'i gynnal? Cyn ichi ateb, gwnaf fi ddweud wrthych, fel rhywun sydd wedi cynnal busnesau sydd wedi bod mewn helynt ofnadwy ac wedi ceisio eu hachub nhw - rhai yn llwyddiannus, rhai'n aflwyddiannus - allwch chi ddim rhoi'r ateb 'Cyhyd ag mae'n ei gymryd', oherwydd ar ryw adeg bydd y màs critigol yn gorlifo. Mae'n rhaid i'r gêm orffen, a dydw i ddim yn hyderus, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, bod diwedd i'r gêm hon pan ydych chi'n disgwyl gweld - eich geiriau chi, nid fy ngeiriau i - gwelliant gwirioneddol a pharhaus. Oherwydd fel y dywedodd Llyr Huws Gruffydd, ddylem ni ddim cael y drafodaeth hon eto.
English: As I have said, there is an 18-month improvement framework with a range of measures that we will test the health board against, and that won't just be my assessment; it will be the advice that is given by the chief exec of NHS Wales, the Wales Audit Office and Healthcare Inspectorate Wales. That assurance is not just the Government marking its own work or coming up with a convenient excuse or reason. So, every time they have that discussion, they provide advice, we provide a statement and we're open about what is said - both the good and the indifferent and the stuff where, actually, we're thinking we're not moving in the right direction at all. So, there will be openness and transparency, and if I think there are more measures that we should take, then I will do so, and I will be accountable for those measures. I will come to this place and I will announce them and I will answer questions upon them. There is no hiding, and I expect there to be - . Within the 18-month framework, there are measures there that are timed and specific, and I expect the health board to make real progress on doing so, as opposed to simply explaining why it hasn't managed to do so. If we cannot deliver that improvement, then it is understandable that people will not just have more questions, but expect further intervention within that health board to ensure that people really do receive the healthcare they are entitled to expect in north Wales and every other part of the country.
Welsh: Fel yr wyf wedi dweud, ceir fframwaith gwella 18 mis gydag amrywiaeth o fesurau a fydd yn rhoi'r Bwrdd Iechyd ar brawf, ac nid fy asesiad i yn unig fydd hwn; ond y cyngor a roddir gan Brif Weithredwr GIG Cymru, Swyddfa Archwilio Cymru ac Arolygiaeth Gofal Iechyd Cymru. Nid y Llywodraeth yn marcio ei gwaith ei hun neu'n rhoi esgus neu reswm cyfleus yw'r sicrwydd hwn. Felly bob tro y maen nhw'n cael y drafodaeth honno, maen nhw'n rhoi cyngor, rydym ni'n rhoi datganiad ac rydym yn agored ynghylch yr hyn a ddywedwyd - y da a'r difater a phethau sy'n gwneud inni feddwl nad ydym yn symud i'r cyfeiriad iawn o gwbl. Felly, byddwn yn agored ac yn dryloyw, ac os credaf fod angen cymryd mwy o fesurau, yna byddaf yn gwneud hynny, a byddaf yn atebol am ganlyniadau'r mesurau hynny. Byddaf yn dod i'r lle hwn, yn eu cyhoeddi ac yn ateb cwestiynau amdanynt. Does dim lle i guddio, ac rwy'n disgwyl y bydd - . O fewn y fframwaith 18 mis, ceir mesurau sy'n amserol ac yn benodol, ac rwy'n disgwyl i'r Bwrdd Iechyd wneud cynnydd gwirioneddol wrth wneud hynny, yn hytrach na dim ond esbonio pam na lwyddodd i wneud hynny. Os na allwn gyflawni'r gwelliant hwnnw, yna mae'n ddealladwy y bydd pobl nid yn unig yn holi mwy o gwestiynau ond byddant hefyd yn disgwyl ymyrryd pellach o fewn y Bwrdd Iechyd i sicrhau bod pobl yn cael y gofal iechyd y mae ganddynt yr hawl i'w ddisgwyl yn y Gogledd ac ym mhob rhan arall o'r wlad.
English: Item 8 on the agenda this afternoon is the Regulation of Registered Social Landlords (Wales) Act 2018 (Consequential Amendments) Regulations 2018. I call on the Minister for Housing and Regeneration to move those - Rebecca Evans.
Welsh: Eitem 8 ar yr agenda y prynhawn yma yw Rheoliadau Deddf Rheoleiddio Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig (Cymru) 2018 (Diwygiadau Canlyniadol) 2018. Galwaf ar y Gweinidog Tai ac Adfywio i gynnig y rheini - Rebecca Evans.
English: Thank you. I am very pleased to move the motion. Following the passing of the Regulation of Registered Social Landlords (Wales) Act 2018, I am sure that Members will have noted the decision by the Office for National Statistics to classify registered social landlords in Wales as private sector organisations. This is good news, as the reclassification allows the current funding arrangements for RSLs to continue, enabling RSLs to continue to build new social housing, as well as to continue to invest in existing homes and local communities. Before us this afternoon are the Regulation of Registered Social Landlords (Wales) Act 2018 (Consequential Amendments) Regulations 2018. These regulations make amendments to other legislation, as a result of changes made by the Act repealing the requirement to obtain the Welsh Ministers' consent to disposals of land by RSLs. The regulations will ensure that other associated primary legislation accurately reflects these changes. Regulations 2 and 3 amend cross-references to exempt disposals in the Local Government and Housing Act 1989 and the Housing Act 1996 respectively. Regulation 4 amends the Land Registration Rules 2003 as a result of the repeal of requirements to obtain the Welsh Ministers' consent to disposal of land by RSLs. The regulations are necessary to provide consistency and clarity of the law, and I therefore commend them to Members.
Welsh: Diolch. Rwyf yn falch iawn o gynnig y cynnig. Yn dilyn pasio Deddf Rheoleiddio Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig (Cymru) 2018, rwyf yn sicr y bydd yr Aelodau wedi nodi penderfyniad y Swyddfa Ystadegau Gwladol i ddosbarthu Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig yng Nghymru yn sefydliadau sector preifat. Mae hyn yn newyddion da, gan fod yr ailddosbarthu yn caniatáu i'r trefniadau ariannu presennol ar gyfer Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig barhau, gan alluogi Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig i barhau i adeiladu tai cymdeithasol newydd, yn ogystal â pharhau i fuddsoddi mewn cartrefi sy'n bodoli eisoes a chymunedau lleol. Ger ein bron y prynhawn yma mae Rheoliadau Deddf Rheoleiddio Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig (Cymru) 2018 (Diwygiadau Canlyniadol) 2018. Mae'r rheoliadau hyn yn gwneud diwygiadau i ddeddfwriaeth arall, o ganlyniad i newidiadau a wneir gan y Ddeddf yn diddymu'r gofyniad i Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig gael cydsyniad Gweinidogion Cymru i waredu tir. Bydd y rheoliadau'n sicrhau y bydd deddfwriaeth sylfaenol gysylltiedig arall yn adlewyrchu'r newidiadau hyn yn gywir. Mae Rheoliadau 2 a 3 yn diwygio croesgyfeiriadau i eithrio gwarediadau yn Neddf Llywodraeth Leol a Thai 1989 a Deddf Tai 1996. Mae rheoliad 4 yn diwygio Rheolau Cofrestru Tir 2003 o ganlyniad i ddiddymu gofynion i gael caniatâd Gweinidogion Cymru i waredu tir gan Landlordiaid Cymdeithasol Cofrestredig. Mae'r Rheoliadau yn angenrheidiol i ddarparu cysondeb ac eglurder o ran y gyfraith, ac felly fe'u cymeradwyaf i'r Aelodau.
English: Thank you. I have no speakers, therefore the proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? No. Therefore, the motion is agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Welsh: Diolch. Nid oes gennyf siaradwyr, felly y cynnig yw cytuno ar y cynnig. A oes unrhyw Aelod yn gwrthwynebu? Na. Felly, derbynnir y cynnig yn unol â Rheol Sefydlog 12.36.
English: Item 9 on our agenda this afternoon is a motion to approve the financial resolution in respect of the Public Services Ombudsman (Wales) Bill. I call on the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Mark Drakeford.
Welsh: Eitem 9 ar ein hagenda y prynhawn yma yw cynnig i gymeradwyo'r penderfyniad ariannol ynghylch Bil Ombwdsmon Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus (Cymru). Rwy'n galw ar yr Ysgrifennydd Cabinet dros gyllid, Mark Drakeford.
English: Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd. Members will recall that when we debated Stage 1 of the Public Services Ombudsman (Wales) Bill, it was supported by all parties in terms of its general principles, but that I was unable, in the conventional way, to move a financial resolution because there were a number of recommendations made by the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee about changes that were needed to the explanatory memorandum and regulatory impact assessment, including a more robust analysis of costs in some areas. Could I put on record my thanks, Dirprwy Lywydd, to the Member in charge, particularly for the way in which he has worked with the Government over the weeks that have passed since that Stage 1 debate and the very careful attention that he has paid to making the changes that allow me to say today that the Government is able to recommend that the National Assembly agrees the financial resolution to allow the Bill to proceed to the next stage of scrutiny? Thank you.
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Dirprwy Lywydd. Bydd yr Aelodau yn cofio, yn ystod dadl Cyfnod 1 Bil Ombwdsmon Gwasanaethau Cyhoeddus (Cymru), a gafodd ei gefnogi gan bob plaid o ran ei egwyddorion cyffredinol, nad oeddwn i'n gallu cynnig penderfyniad ariannol yn y modd confensiynol oherwydd cafwyd nifer o argymhellion gan y Pwyllgor Cymunedau, Cydraddoldeb a Llywodraeth Leol ynghylch newidiadau yr oedd eu hangen yn y memorandwm esboniadol a'r asesiad effaith rheoleiddiol, gan gynnwys dadansoddiad mwy cadarn o'r costau mewn rhai ardaloedd. Hoffwn ddatgan yn gyhoeddus fy niolch, Dirprwy Lywydd, i'r Aelod â gofal, yn enwedig am y ffordd y mae wedi gweithio gyda'r Llywodraeth dros yr wythnosau a aeth heibio ers y ddadl Cyfnod 1 honno, a'r sylw manwl iawn a roddodd i wneud y newidiadau sy'n caniatáu imi ddweud heddiw bod y Llywodraeth yn gallu argymell bod y Cynulliad Cenedlaethol yn cytuno i'r penderfyniad ariannol a fydd yn caniatáu i'r Bil symud ymlaen i'r cam nesaf o waith craffu? Diolch.
English: I now call on the Chair of the Finance Committee, Simon Thomas.
Welsh: Rwy'n galw yn awr ar Gadeirydd y Pwyllgor Cyllid, Simon Thomas.
English: I can't support this motion before the Senedd today. I declare an interest as operating in local government, so I'm fully aware of how the office of the ombudsman is being misused. [ Interruption. ] If you would give me a few seconds, then I'll explain. What colleagues in local government are finding is that when they try - [ Interruption. ] Thank you. What colleagues in local government are finding is that when they try to scrutinise officers, when they ask tough questions, then the referral to the ombudsman is actually being used as a threat, now. That's a very serious matter - [ Interruption. ] Here we have a Minister who was in business, formerly, with the ombudsman, so please, Minister, turn yourself around and listen to what I've got to say. What - [ Interruption. ]
Welsh: Ni allaf gefnogi'r cynnig hwn sydd gerbron y Senedd heddiw. Rwy'n datgan buddiant fel un sy'n gweithredu mewn Llywodraeth Leol, felly rwyf yn gwbl ymwybodol o sut mae Swyddfa'r Ombwdsmon yn cael ei chamddefnyddio. [ Torri ar draws. ] Os wnewch chi roi ychydig o eiliadau imi, gallaf egluro. Yr hyn y mae fy nghydweithwyr mewn Llywodraeth Leol yn ei ganfod yw, pan fyddant yn ceisio - [ Torri ar draws. ] Diolch. Yr hyn y mae fy nghydweithwyr mewn Llywodraeth Leol yn ei ganfod yw pan fyddant yn ceisio craffu ar swyddogion, pan fyddant yn gofyn cwestiynau anodd, yna mae cyfeirio at yr Ombwdsmon mewn gwirionedd yn cael ei ddefnyddio fel bygythiad. Mae hynny'n fater difrifol iawn - [ Torri ar draws. ] Yma mae gennym ni Weinidog a oedd cyn hyn mewn busnes gyda'r ombwdsmon, felly os gwelwch yn dda, Gweinidog, trowch a gwrandewch ar yr hyn sydd gennyf i i'w ddweud. Beth - [ Torri ar draws. ]