English: I thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for your statement and I am optimistic that these new enhanced measures will continue the significant progress that has been made towards eradicating bovine TB in Wales, which has already seen a 40 per cent drop in cases since 2009. I share your resolve to clear up the long-standing TB breakdowns, the cost to the public purse and the personal misery that they perpetuate. But, Members know my views on culling wildlife: I believe that we should do all that we can to avoid it. So, I would urge the Government to continue to seek new science-led, innovative and humane ways to take out the disease. There is a big difference between Wales and the heedless cull in England. I know, Cabinet Secretary, that you don't support an all-out cull and I welcome that approach, but I do wonder how frequently cages will be examined and how sure you can be that once a badger is caught, it would escape unnecessary death and suffering. You mentioned roadside kills being reported. I wonder if any of those have been assessed as being already dead before arriving at the roadside, and how many of them are actually TB free. I have lots of anecdotal evidence that suggest that that is a way of disposing of badgers that have been killed illegally long before they arrive at the kerbside. So, the only way that we can determine that is by actually looking more closely at those carcasses. The other thing that I want to ask about are the slurry leaks from the mega dairy farms and the potential spread of bTB as a consequence of those. I ask, because it's not mentioned here at all in this statement, whether before we license any more mega dairy farms, we could look very seriously within that planning application about the containment of slurry within the farm, rather than finding it in the river within a few days and also quite frequently. I would also be interested to hear your views, Cabinet Secretary, on a new testing technique currently being used on a farm in Devon that could help identify and isolate infected cows more accurately and quickly, eliminating TB from the herd without having to interfere with the surrounding wildlife. We know that although badgers can catch TB from cattle, they don't keep it alive for nearly as long. The Devon test appears to show that even where badgers around the farm had tested positively for TB, because the disease had been completely eradicated from the herd, it then doesn't return. The Save Me Trust is assisting in the study and hopes that, with better testing, killing badgers will become an irrelevance, and so do I. The other thing that has disturbed me, and I'm sure it will have disturbed other people listening to this debate today, is now the inclusion, not only of badgers, but of otters and beavers. I find that completely distressing and I'd like to see any evidence that anyone can present in that regard.
Welsh: Diolch i chi, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, am eich datganiad ac rwy'n ffyddiog y bydd y mesurau gwell a newydd hyn yn parhau â'r cynnydd sylweddol a wnaed tuag at ddileu TB buchol yng Nghymru, sydd eisoes wedi arwain at ostyngiad o 40 y cant mewn achosion ers 2009. Rwy'n rhannu eich penderfyniad i glirio'r achosion hirsefydlog o TB, y gost i'r cyhoedd a'r gofid personol y mae'r rhain yn ei beri. Ond, mae'r Aelodau yn gwybod fy marn ar ddifa bywyd gwyllt: credaf y dylem wneud popeth yn ein gallu i'w osgoi. Felly, byddwn i'n annog y Llywodraeth i barhau i chwilio am ffyrdd newydd, arloesol a gwaraidd wedi'i seilio ar wyddoniaeth o ddileu'r clefyd. Mae yna wahaniaeth mawr rhwng Cymru a'r difa diofal yn Lloegr. Rwy'n gwybod, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, nad ydych chi'n cefnogi difa llwyr ac rwy'n croesawu'r dull hwnnw, ond rwyf yn meddwl tybed pa mor aml y bydd cewyll yn cael eu harchwilio a pha mor siŵr y gallwch chi fod, pan fydd mochyn daear wedi ei ddal, y byddai'n dianc rhag marwolaeth a dioddefaint diangen. Fe wnaethoch chi sôn am gael gwybod am laddiadau ar ochr y ffordd. Tybed a ydyn nhw wedi'u hasesu i ganfod a oedden nhw'n farw eisoes cyn cyrraedd ochr y ffordd, a faint ohonyn nhw mewn gwirionedd sy'n rhydd rhag TB. Mae gen i lawer o dystiolaeth anecdotaidd sy'n awgrymu bod hynny'n ffordd o gael gwared ar foch daear sydd wedi eu lladd yn anghyfreithlon ymhell cyn iddyn nhw gyrraedd ochr y ffordd. Felly, yr unig ffordd y gallwn ni bennu hynny yw trwy edrych yn agosach ar y cyrff hynny. Mae'r peth arall yr hoffwn i ei ofyn yn ymwneud â'r gollyngiadau slyri o'r ffermydd llaeth mawr a lledaeniad posibl TB buchol o ganlyniad i hynny. Rwy'n gofyn, oherwydd nid oes sôn o gwbl yn y datganiad hwn, pa un ai a fyddai modd cyn i ni drwyddedu rhagor o ffermydd llaeth mawr, ystyried o ddifrif y cais cynllunio hwnnw o ran cyfyngu'r slyri i'r fferm, yn hytrach na'i bod i'w weld yn yr afon o fewn ychydig o ddyddiau ac yn eithaf aml hefyd. Byddai gennyf i ddiddordeb hefyd mewn clywed eich barn, Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet, ar dechneg profi newydd sy'n cael ei defnyddio ar fferm yn Nyfnaint a allai helpu i adnabod ac ynysu gwartheg heintiedig yn fwy cywir a chyflym, gan ddileu TB o'r fuches heb orfod ymyrryd â'r bywyd gwyllt cyfagos. Rydym ni'n gwybod, er bod moch daear yn gallu dal TB oddi wrth wartheg, nad ydyn nhw'n ei gadw'n fyw am agos gyn hired. Ymddengys bod y prawf yn Nyfnaint yn dangos hyd yn oed pan fo moch daear o amgylch y fferm wedi eu profi'n bositif am TB, oherwydd bod y clefyd wedi ei ddileu o'r fuches yn gyfan gwbl, nid yw'n dychwelyd. Mae'r Save Me Trust yn cynorthwyo'r astudiaeth ac yn gobeithio, drwy wella'r profi, y bydd lladd moch daear yn amherthnasol, ac rwyf innau yn gobeithio hynny hefyd. Y peth arall sydd wedi fy ngofidio, ac rwy'n siŵr y bydd wedi gofidio pobl eraill sy'n gwrando ar y ddadl hon heddiw, yw cynnwys erbyn hyn, nid moch daear yn unig, ond dyfrgwn ac afancod hefyd. Mae hynny'n peri gofid mawr i mi, ac fe hoffwn i weld unrhyw dystiolaeth y gall unrhyw un ei gyflwyno ynglŷn â hynny.