English: Well, thank you for those comments. And, of course, it's not through my work, it's going to be through our and many other people's work that success will be achieved. Just commenting on Elystan Morgan, I had the great honour of actually working with Elystan Morgan for quite a number of months during the build-up to the 1979 devolution referendum, along with others. And he was one of a great generation of Welsh politicians: Cledwyn Hughes, Jim Griffiths, John Morris - Elystan Morgan is within that grouping, and there are many others as well. But Elystan, certainly during that campaign, showed not only his incredible oratorical skills, but his ability to win people's hearts and minds to an idea. Unfortunately, as we know, with the referendum, the 1979 referendum was not really about devolution for Wales, it was really about the tail-end of the Labour Government at that particular moment in time. It was probably the worst time to ever have a referendum. But I think it's important that we recognise and remember that legacy. And I had the opportunity to talk with him when he came to the Labour Party conference a few years back, and his mind was still as acute and sharp and as focused on these issues and about the future of Wales. He was certainly a great Welsh patriot, certainly a very committed socialist, and just a wonderful person in whose company you could actually be. So, rest in peace, Elystan. In terms of the other comments you made, a Wales for everyone, that is really what this is ultimately about. It's a Wales for everyone, but it's one where we build the consensus for everyone. And I say 'consensus' because, when we take certain terminology out of our conversations, we actually have such an enormous area of common agreement, and it's turning that common agreement into a process of change. And that is going to be part of the real challenge of what this task is about. I don't underestimate the difficulties and the pitfalls that exist, because I think we are doing something that is radically very different, and of course the challenges are there. There is no guide book to how you do this sort of engagement process. We look to other countries, other examples, but at the end of the day, it's in our hands to make it work. You made - . The final point, really, where you said devolution is dead, I think what has happened is that devolution originally was a process of decentralisation of administered powers and responsibilities from Westminster. The moment Scotland and Wales became legislatures and the moment this place became a legislative parliament, sovereignty shifted to the people. Unfortunately, the problem at the moment is our constitution as it exists in practice has not yet caught up with the reality of what sovereignty is really about, and that is the power of people being exercised through their elected representatives.
Welsh: Wel, diolch am y sylwadau yna. Ac, wrth gwrs, nid drwy fy ngwaith i ond trwy ein gwaith ni a gwaith llawer o bobl eraill y daw llwyddiant i'n rhan. Os caf i grybwyll Elystan Morgan, fe gefais i'r fraint fawr o weithio gydag Elystan Morgan am sawl mis yn ystod y cyfnod cyn refferendwm datganoli 1979, ynghyd ag eraill. Ac roedd ef yn un o blith cenhedlaeth ddisglair o wleidyddion yng Nghymru: Cledwyn Hughes, Jim Griffiths, John Morris - mae Elystan Morgan yn y grŵp hwnnw, ac mae llawer o rai eraill hefyd. Ond fe ddangosodd Elystan, yn sicr yn ystod yr ymgyrch honno, nid yn unig ei sgiliau areithio anhygoel, ond ei ddawn i ennill calonnau a meddyliau pobl i dderbyn syniad. Yn anffodus, fel y gwyddom, gyda'r refferendwm, nid oedd refferendwm 1979 yn ymwneud â datganoli i Gymru mewn gwirionedd, ond yn hytrach roedd yn ymwneud â diwedd y Llywodraeth Lafur yn y cyfnod arbennig hwnnw. Dyna'r adeg waethaf a fu erioed o bosibl i gynnal refferendwm. Ond rwy'n credu ei bod yn bwysig inni gydnabod a chofio'r etifeddiaeth honno. Ac fe gefais gyfle i siarad gydag ef pan ddaeth i gynhadledd y Blaid Lafur ychydig flynyddoedd yn ôl, ac roedd ei feddwl yn dal i fod mor chwim a threiddgar ag erioed wrth ganolbwyntio ar y materion hyn ac am ddyfodol Cymru. Roedd yn bendant yn wladgarwr Cymreig mawr, yn sicr yn sosialydd ymroddedig iawn, ac yn ddyn nobl iawn i fod yn ei gwmni. Felly, gorffwys mewn hedd, Elystan. O ran y sylwadau eraill a wnaethoch, Cymru i bawb, dyna yw diben hyn yn y pen draw. Cymru i bawb, Cymru lle'r ydym yn meithrin cytundeb ar gyfer bawb. Ac rwy'n dweud 'cytundeb' oherwydd, pan fyddwn ni'n codi terminoleg benodol allan o'n sgyrsiau, mae gennym faes mor enfawr o gydsyniad cyffredin, ac mae'n troi'r farn gyffredin honno'n broses o newid. Ac fe fydd hynny'n rhan o'r her wirioneddol wrth hanfod y gwaith hwn. Nid wyf i'n bychanu'r anawsterau a'r peryglon sy'n bodoli, oherwydd rwy'n credu ein bod ni'n gwneud rhywbeth gwahanol iawn, ac wrth gwrs mae'r heriau yno. Nid oes canllawiau ar gael ar gyfer proses ymgysylltu fel hon. Rydym yn edrych ar wledydd eraill, enghreifftiau eraill, ond ar ddiwedd y dydd mae cyflawni hyn yn ein dwylo ni. Fe wnaethoch chi - . Y pwynt olaf, mewn gwirionedd, pan wnaethoch ddweud bod datganoli wedi marw, credaf mai'r hyn sydd wedi digwydd yw mai proses o ddatganoli pwerau a chyfrifoldebau gweinyddol o San Steffan oedd datganoli yn wreiddiol. Yr eiliad y daeth yr Alban a Chymru yn ddeddfwrfeydd a'r eiliad y daeth hon yn senedd ddeddfwriaethol, fe symudodd sofraniaeth i'r bobl. Yn anffodus, y broblem ar hyn o bryd yw nad yw ein cyfansoddiad ni fel y mae'n bodoli yn ymarferol wedi dal i fyny eto â'r hyn a olygir gan sofraniaeth mewn gwirionedd, a hynny yw pŵer y bobl yn cael ei ymarfer drwy gyfrwng eu cynrychiolwyr etholedig.