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English: Thank you, diolch, acting Presiding Officer. And thank you very much for the opportunity to update the Assembly on the progress in delivering our childcare offer for Wales. Members will be aware that, when this Government was elected, one of the key commitments we made was to provide 30 hours of early education and childcare to the working parents of three and four-year-olds across Wales for 48 weeks per year. And, in developing this offer, many of the families we've talked to have told us about the pressures that they face over meeting ever-increasing household costs, particularly during this period of austerity. For these families, the costs of childcare directly affect whether or not the parents, and particularly the mothers, can work and, if they can, where they work and what sorts of jobs they can take; it depends on them being able to get childcare.
Welsh: Diolch i chi, diolch Llywydd dros dro. A diolch yn fawr iawn am y cyfle i roi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf i'r Cynulliad am y cynnydd o ran cyflwyno ein cynnig gofal plant i Gymru. Bydd Aelodau'n ymwybodol, pan gafodd y Llywodraeth hon ei hethol, mai un o'r ymrwymiadau allweddol a wnaethom ni oedd darparu 30 awr o addysg gynnar a gofal plant i rieni plant tair a phedair oed sy'n gweithio, a hynny am 48 wythnos y flwyddyn ledled Cymru. Ac, wrth ddatblygu'r cynnig hwn, mae llawer o'r teuluoedd yr ydym ni wedi siarad â nhw wedi dweud wrthym ni am y pwysau sy'n eu hwynebu wrth geisio talu costau cynyddol y cartref, yn enwedig yn ystod y cyfnod hwn o gyni. I'r teuluoedd hyn, mae costau gofal plant yn effeithio'n uniongyrchol ar ba un a all y rhieni, ac yn enwedig y mamau, weithio neu beidio ac, os gallan nhw, ble maen nhw'n gweithio a pha fathau o swyddi y gallan nhw eu derbyn; mae'n dibynnu ar eu gallu i gael gofal plant.
English: I thank Mark Reckless for those points, and I'm pleased he's recognised that we have followed our manifesto here in Wales and that we are working with the public and private sectors. One of the issues that have arisen is the difficulty, sometimes, when the care setting is a long way from the school setting, and so we have encouraged co-location where possible. We've also given grants to develop usually private sector nurseries in a way that makes them more open and more able to take more children. So, we have tried to help with the capital money as well in terms of helping nurseries to develop. In terms of the £60,000, I think he may be making a valid point in relation to young parents, but it's interesting that, according to the Office for National Statistics figures, only 3.1 per cent of all people in Wales earn over £60,000.
Welsh: Diolch i Mark Reckless am y pwyntiau hynny, ac rwy'n falch ei fod yn cydnabod ein bod wedi dilyn ein maniffesto yma yng Nghymru a'n bod yn gweithio gyda'r sectorau cyhoeddus a phreifat. Un o'r materion sydd wedi codi yw'r anhawster, weithiau, pan fo'r lleoliad gofal ymhell o'r ysgol, ac felly rydym wedi annog cydleoli lle bo hynny'n bosibl. Rydym ni hefyd wedi rhoi grantiau i ddatblygu meithrinfeydd y sector preifat mewn ffordd sy'n eu gwneud yn fwy agored ac mewn gwell sefyllfa i gymryd mwy o blant. Felly, rydym ni wedi ceisio helpu gyda'r arian cyfalaf hefyd o ran helpu meithrinfeydd i ddatblygu. O ran y £60,000, rwy'n credu ei fod efallai'n gwneud pwynt dilys ynglŷn â rhieni ifanc, ond mae'n ddiddorol, yn ôl ffigurau'r Swyddfa Ystadegau Gwladol, mai dim ond 3.1 y cant o holl bobl Cymru sy'n ennill dros £60,000.
English: Sixty per cent.
Welsh: Chwe deg y cant.
English: Yes. And the numbers earning over £80,000 or over £100,000 are even smaller, so there are actually not very many wealthy people in Wales in terms of those numbers. So, we did spend a lot of time on the committee looking at the HMRC issue - a very long time - and I'd like to thank those members of the committee who did take part in it, and I was part of it as well, but it was a learning process. What we found was that not only were there some costs that we didn't anticipate, but also the period of looking at how it would work out with HMRC did show us that there could be a degree of inflexibility if, for example, we wanted to change our offer and our offer wasn't so much in line, as it is at the moment, with the English offer. And, of course, extending to education and training means that that has to be dealt with at a local level in any case. Also, we've already committed to paying foster parents and other groups, which would have to be dealt with at a local level in any case. So the decision was made, really, that it would be better to stay with the local authorities, especially as the local authorities were pleased to carry on with it. So, the decision was made, and the money that was spent in doing that wasn't wasted because it has been used in order to make a longer term decision, and the work we did with HMRC will be of great benefit longer term. Tax-free childcare: yes, we must do all we can to advertise it, because the take-up is pitifully low.
Welsh: Ie. Ac mae'r niferoedd sy'n ennill dros £80,000 neu dros £100,000 yn llai fyth, felly mewn gwirionedd nid oes llawer o bobl gyfoethog yng Nghymru o ran y niferoedd hynny. Felly, fe wnaethom ni dreulio llawer o amser ar y pwyllgor yn edrych ar fater Cyllid a Thollau ei Mawrhydi - amser maith - a hoffwn ddiolch i'r Aelodau hynny o'r pwyllgor a fu'n rhan o hynny, ac roeddwn yn rhan ohono hefyd, ond roedd yn broses o ddysgu. Yr hyn a welsom ni oedd, nid yn unig fod rhai costau nad oeddem yn eu rhagweld, ond hefyd bod y cyfnod o edrych ar sut y byddai'n gweithio gyda Chyllid a Thollau ei Mawrhydi yn dangos inni y gallai fod rhywfaint o anhyblygrwydd, er enghraifft, pe baem ni eisiau newid ein cynnig ac nad oedd ein cynnig yn cyd-fynd ryw lawer, fel sy'n wir ar hyn o bryd, â'r arlwy yn Lloegr. Ac, wrth gwrs, mae ymestyn i addysg a hyfforddiant yn golygu bod yn rhaid ymdrin â hynny yn lleol beth bynnag. Hefyd, rydym ni eisoes wedi ymrwymo i dalu rhieni maeth a grwpiau eraill, y byddai'n rhaid ymdrin â nhw yn lleol beth bynnag. Felly, gwnaed y penderfyniad, mewn gwirionedd, y byddai'n well aros gyda'r awdurdodau lleol, yn enwedig gan fod yr awdurdodau lleol yn falch o fwrw ymlaen â'r gwaith. Felly, gwnaed y penderfyniad, ac nid oedd yr arian a wariwyd wrth wneud hynny yn wastraff oherwydd iddo gael ei ddefnyddio er mwyn gwneud penderfyniad mwy hirdymor, a bydd y gwaith a wnaethom ni gyda Chyllid a Thollau ei Mawrhydi o fudd mawr yn y tymor hir. Gofal plant di-dreth: oes, mae'n rhaid inni wneud popeth a allwn ni i'w hysbysebu, oherwydd mae'r nifer sy'n elwa o hynny yn druenus o isel.
English: Thank you, Deputy Minister, for your statement. It's good to know that we are making solid progress on delivering the offer that was in the manifesto. Co-location is incredibly important because otherwise there's a danger that people have to keep their child in a nursery that doesn't offer the early education that all three and four-year-olds are entitled to as well. So I'm particularly interested to pursue with you, as you refine the offer and you're in discussions with local authorities, how closely you're looking at community-focused schools and that all schools should be community-focused schools, because they are public buildings funded by the taxpayer for the service of the community, and it's a pity if schools aren't used more than just from 9 a.m. to 3.30 p.m. It won't apply to all schools, because some schools simply don't have the capacity to take on more activities, but some of the primary schools in my constituency do have a generous supply of land attached to the school, and that's absolutely fantastic, but it would be perfectly possible to put in an early years centre on those sites, which is land that the public already owns, and that would support the integration of the childcare with the nursery education that I'm sure, in the long term, we all want to see being the entitlement for all our children. So I just wondered what discussions are being had as you conduct this review as to whether we're going to be able to take forward that agenda.
Welsh: Diolch, Dirprwy Weinidog, am eich datganiad. Mae'n dda gwybod ein bod yn gwneud cynnydd cadarn o ran cyflwyno'r cynnig a oedd yn y maniffesto. Mae cydleoli yn hynod bwysig oherwydd fel arall mae perygl bod pobl yn gorfod cadw eu plentyn mewn meithrinfa nad yw'n cynnig yr addysg gynnar y mae gan bob plentyn tair a phedair oed yr hawl iddi hefyd. Felly mae gen i ddiddordeb arbennig mewn gweld, wrth i chi fireinio'r cynnig a phan rydych chi'n cynnal trafodaethau gydag awdurdodau lleol, pa mor fanwl ydych chi'n edrych ar ysgolion bro ac y dylai pob ysgol fod yn ysgol fro, oherwydd eu bod yn adeiladau cyhoeddus a ariennir gan y trethdalwr ar gyfer gwasanaethu'r gymuned, ac mae'n drueni os nad yw ysgolion yn cael eu defnyddio mwy na dim ond rhwng 9 y bore a 3.30 y pnawn. Ni fydd yn berthnasol i bob ysgol, oherwydd nid oes gan rai ysgolion y gallu i ymgymryd â mwy o weithgareddau, ond mae gan rai o'r ysgolion cynradd yn fy etholaeth i dir sylweddol ynghlwm wrth yr ysgol, ac mae hynny'n hollol wych, ond byddai'n berffaith bosib cyflwyno canolfan blynyddoedd cynnar ar y safleoedd hynny, sef tir y mae'r cyhoedd eisoes yn berchen arno, a byddai hynny'n cefnogi integreiddio'r gofal plant ag addysg feithrin sef yr hyn rwy'n sicr, yn y tymor hir, yr ydym ni i gyd eisiau ei weld yn rhywbeth y mae gan ein plant yr hawl iddo. Felly dim ond meddwl oeddwn i tybed pa drafodaethau sy'n mynd rhagddyn nhw wrth i chi gynnal yr adolygiad hwn i weld a allwn ni fwrw ymlaen â'r agenda honno.
English: I thank Jenny Rathbone for that comment. Yes, I agree with her about community schools, and I certainly agree about co-location. This is a discussion we have been having. As she says, there are many schools where you would be able to develop childcare provision on site, or you can help add to something that's already on site, and we have done quite a bit of that already with the capital grants that I mentioned. We have been giving a large number of capital grants, and the education Minister is well aware of this. I think that one of the bigger advantages of actually having co-location on the site, which can be a voluntary or independent nursery, is that it does decrease the amount of travelling between the care setting and the school, and I think that is really important, because we've talked about our carbon footprint, and also, for the children, if you have to travel too far I think it is disruptive. So, I think we are well advanced in those discussions and I think she makes a very valid point.
Welsh: Diolch i Jenny Rathbone am y sylw yna. Ydw, rwy'n cytuno â hi ynglŷn ag ysgolion bro, ac rwy'n sicr yn cytuno ynglŷn â chyd-leoli. Dyma drafodaeth yr ydym ni wedi bod yn ei chael. Fel y mae hi'n dweud, ceir llawer o ysgolion lle gallech chi ddatblygu darpariaeth gofal plant ar y safle, neu lle gallwch chi helpu i ychwanegu at rywbeth sydd eisoes ar y safle, ac rydym ni wedi gwneud cryn dipyn o hynny'n barod gyda'r grantiau cyfalaf y soniais amdanyn nhw. Rydym ni wedi bod yn rhoi nifer fawr o grantiau cyfalaf, ac mae'r Gweinidog addysg yn ymwybodol iawn o hyn. Credaf mai un o'r manteision o gydleoli ar y safle, a allai fod yn feithrinfa wirfoddol neu annibynnol, yw bod hynny'n lleihau'r teithio rhwng y lleoliad gofal a'r ysgol, a chredaf fod hynny'n bwysig iawn, gan ein bod wedi siarad am ein hôl troed carbon, a hefyd, i'r plant, os oes rhaid i chi deithio'n rhy bell, rwy'n credu ei fod yn aflonyddu arnyn nhw. Felly, rwy'n credu ein bod ni wedi gwyntyllu hynny'n fanwl ac rwy'n credu ei bod yn gwneud sylw dilys iawn.
English: The next item is a statement by the Minister for Housing and Local Government on the independent review on decarbonising Welsh homes. I call on the Minister to make her statement - Julie James.
Welsh: Yr eitem nesaf, felly, yw'r datganiad gan y Gweinidog Tai a Llywodraeth Leol ar yr adolygiad annibynnol ar ddatgarboneiddio cartrefi Cymru. Dwi'n galw ar y Gweinidog i wneud ei datganiad - Julie James.
English: Thank you, Minister, and thank you to Members, and that brings today's proceedings to a close.
Welsh: Diolch i'r Gweinidog, a diolch i'r Aelodau, gan fod hynny'n dod â'n trafodion ni am y dydd i ben.
English: Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Finance Committee this morning. Could I note that headsets are available for translation or for sound amplification? Could I also remind Members to ensure that any electronic devices are on silent? Could I ask whether Members have any interests to declare? No.
Welsh: Bore da a chroeso i chi i gyd i gyfarfod y Pwyllgor Cyllid y bore yma. A gaf i nodi bod clustffonau ar gael, wrth gwrs, ar gyfer cyfieithu ar y pryd neu i amrywio lefel y sain? A gaf i hefyd atgoffa Aelodau i ddiffodd y sain ar unrhyw ddyfeisiau electronig sydd gennych chi? A gaf i ofyn a oes gan Aelodau unrhyw fuddiannau i'w datgan? Nac oes. Iawn.
English: We move on, therefore, to the second item on the agenda, namely to have further evidence on the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill. It's my pleasure to welcome Jeremy Miles, the Counsel General. Would you like to introduce your officials?
Welsh: Ymlaen â ni, felly, at yr ail eitem ar ein hagenda ni, sef, wrth gwrs, i dderbyn tystiolaeth bellach ar y Bil Senedd ac Etholiadau (Cymru). Mae'n bleser gen i groesawu Jeremy Miles, y Cwnsler Cyffredinol. A fyddech chi'n hoffi cyflwyno'ch swyddogion?
English: Okay, thank you - welcome. We'll go straight to questions, if that's okay. Just one simple question at the outset, just to confirm: are you intending to bring forward any more amendments than those that you've shared with us for this Bill? If you are, have you done any costings work on them?
Welsh: Dyna fe, diolch yn fawr iawn i chi - croeso. Mi awn ni'n syth i gwestiynau, os ydy hynny'n iawn. Jest un cwestiwn bach syml ar y dechrau, efallai, jest i gadarnhau: a ydych chi'n bwriadu cyflwyno mwy o welliannau, efallai, nag ŷch chi wedi'u rhannu â ni i'r Bil yma? Os ŷch chi, a ydych chi'n mynd i wneud unrhyw waith costio arnyn nhw?
English: Not in the context of section 27. Of course, there are other amendments, but those will go through the system in the usual manner.
Welsh: Dim yng nghyd-destun adran 27. Wrth gwrs, mae gwelliannau eraill, ond bydd y rheini yn mynd drwy'r system yn y ffordd arferol.
English: Of course, yes. Okay, thank you. So, you don't foresee that we'll have to look at something else before next week. No. Okay, thank you. Another question, of course, is why haven't costings been provided alongside the draft amendments, as the committee asked for, rather than just the broad estimate of the Electoral Commission's administration costs.
Welsh: Wrth gwrs, ie. Ocê, iawn; diolch yn fawr iawn. Felly, dydyn ni ddim yn rhagweld y bydd angen edrych ar rywbeth pellach cyn wythnos nesaf. Na. Dyna fe, diolch yn fawr. Cwestiwn arall, wrth gwrs, yw pam na ddarparwyd costau ochr yn ochr â'r gwelliannau drafft, fel oedd y pwyllgor wedi gofyn amdanyn nhw, yn hytrach, wrth gwrs, na jest yr amcangyfrif eang sydd gennym ni o gostau gweinyddol y Comisiwn Etholiadol.
English: Well, the intention is to provide costings, as we agreed to do. The discussions are ongoing between ourselves and the Electoral Commission and the Assembly Commission, but the intention is to provide those costings to you. The forecasts, in terms of costings, are based on a belief that most of the expenditure will fall on the Assembly Commission, in terms of scrutiny and processing. In terms of a broad estimate, I'm looking at something [correction: scrutiny costing] in the region of £39,000 over five years - that's in the regulatory impact assessment. Those are the kinds of costs we were looking for. We had intended to provide those costs before introducing the resolution.
Welsh: Wel, y bwriad yw darparu costau fel y cytunwyd i'w wneud. Mae'r trafodaethau yn dal yn mynd rhagddyn nhw rhyngom ni a'r Comisiwn Etholiadol a Chomisiwn y Cynulliad, ond y bwriad yw cyflwyno'r costau i chi. Mae'r rhagolygon o ran costau yn seiliedig ar gredu bod y rhan fwyaf o'r gwariant yn mynd i fod yn syrthio ar Gomisiwn y Cynulliad, yng nghyd-destun craffu a phrosesu. O ran amcangyfrif bras, mae gyda ni - rwy'n edrych ar rywbeth tebyg i [cywiriad: ar graffu yn costio] ryw £39,000 dros bum mlynedd, sydd yn yr RIA hefyd. Dyna fraslun o'r mathau o gostau. Roeddwn i'n bwriadu darparu'r costau cyn cyflwyno'r resolution.
English: Oh, right, because that's what I was going to ask: do you think it's fair that we get to that point before we've seen them? So, can you confirm that we will see those before next week?
Welsh: O, reit, dyna fe, achos dyna beth oeddwn i'n mynd i ofyn: a oeddech chi'n meddwl ei fod e'n deg ein bod ni'n mynd i'r pwynt yna heb fod wedi eu gweld? Felly, a allwch chi gadarnhau - cyn wythnos nesaf, felly, byddwn ni'n gweld rheini?
English: That's the intention, yes.
Welsh: Dyna'r bwriad, ie.
English: I have been reading your letter to the Chair of the committee. I agree, and I think that everyone agrees, with the Government's objectives in terms of policy. The discussion, therefore, will be how we can arrive at that point, rather than discussing the point itself. In reading it, when I consider this and approach these issues, instinctively I think that the Electoral Commission should be funded from the consolidated fund, and you've discussed, in your letter to the committee, several reasons why that isn't possible. The reasons are all technical, legal - I accept that. Have you considered making the necessary changes to ensure that the Electoral Commission can be funded from the consolidated fund, rather than being funded from the Assembly Commission?
Welsh: Dwi wedi bod yn darllen y llythyr at Gadeirydd y pwyllgor. Dwi'n cytuno, ac yn credu bod pob un yn cytuno, ag amcanion y Llywodraeth mewn termau polisi. Felly, y drafodaeth fydd sut ydyn ni'n actually cyrraedd y pwynt, yn lle trafod y pwynt ei hun. Wrth ddarllen e, pan fyddwn i'n ystyried hyn ac yn dod at y materion yma, dwi yn reddfol yn meddwl y dylai'r Comisiwn Etholiadol gael ei ariannu mas o'r consolidated fund, a dŷch chi wedi trafod yn eich llythyr at y pwyllgor sawl rheswm pam dyw hynny ddim yn bosibl. Mae'r rhesymau i gyd yn dechnegol, yn gyfreithiol - rwy'n derbyn hynny. Ydych chi wedi ystyried gwneud y newidiadau angenrheidiol i sicrhau bod y Comisiwn Etholiadol yn gallu cael ei ariannu o'r gronfa, felly, yn lle ei ariannu gan y Comisiwn?
English: Well, yes, we've looked at all of the options - some four options in total. We don't think it's appropriate for the Electoral Commission -
Welsh: Ydyn, rŷn ni wedi edrych ar yr opsiynau i gyd - rhyw bedwar opsiwn. Dŷn ni ddim yn credu ei fod yn addas i'r Comisiwn Etholiadol -
English: 'Appropriate' is a different word, isn't it? That means that you've made a policy choice and also a technical, legal choice.
Welsh: Mae 'addas' yn air gwahanol, onid ydy? Mae hynny'n meddwl eich bod chi wedi gwneud dewis polisi a hefyd dewis technegol, cyfreithiol.
English: Well, it's a combination of both, if truth be told. There is a legal analysis, in terms of competence and in terms of constitutional precedent and accountability - that's certainly part of the mix. But I think there is also a constitutional argument supporting our proposed route through this challenge. The letter is an attempt to explain, in too technical a manner, perhaps, what our analysis has been of each of the possible options. We accept, of course, that there would be challenges posed by our preferred option, but, generally speaking, having looked at the challenges posed by the other routes proposed, we think this is the simplest and most appropriate way of doing that.
Welsh: Mae'n gymysgedd o'r ddau, a dweud y gwir. Mae dadansoddiad cyfreithiol, o ran cymhwysedd, o ran cynsail cyfansoddiadol, ac o ran atebolrwydd, yn rhan o'r mix, fel petai, ond mae fe hefyd - . Rwy'n credu bod dadl gyfansoddiadol yn cefnogi'r safbwynt rŷn ni yn ei gynnig fel ffordd drwy'r sialens, fel petai. Mae'r llythyr yn ymgais i esbonio, efallai yn rhy dechnegol, beth yw'r dadansoddiad rŷm ni wedi'i wneud o bob un o'r camau sydd yn bosibl. Rŷm ni'n cydnabod, wrth gwrs, fod sialensiau neu gamau yn codi yn sgil yr hyn yr ŷm ni yn ei awgrymu, ond, ar y cyfan, o gymryd y sialensiau gyda'r llwybrau eraill, rŷm ni'n credu mai dyma'r ffordd symlaf a'r ffordd fwyaf addas a phriodol o wneud hynny.
English: I accept that that's the Government position, but my point is, when I consider how the consolidated fund works and funds directly the ombudsman, the auditor and so forth, it feels to me as though the Electoral Commission falls into the same space. Now, I do understand the arguments that you've made - you've said that the Electoral Commission at the UK level is funded from their consolidated fund, so it's difficult to do the same thing here. I see that and I do see the arguments that you've put in place to support that analysis. But could I just press you further on that? I think you say in your letter that it's 'novel'. That's the word that you use. For me, when I read that, I think, 'So what? So what?' What you're saying is it hasn't happened before. To me, that's a case of, 'So what?' It hasn't happened before - that doesn't prevent us from doing anything.
Welsh: Dwi'n derbyn mai dyna safbwynt y Llywodraeth, ond fy mhwynt i yw, pan fyddwn i'n ystyried sut mae'r consolidated fund yn gweithio ac yn ariannu yn uniongyrchol yr ombwdsmon, yr auditor a mannau eraill, mae'n teimlo i fi bod y Comisiwn Etholiadol yn cwympo yn yr un lle. Nawr, dwi'n deall y dadleuon - dŷch chi wedi dweud bod y Comisiwn Etholiadol ar lefel y Deyrnas Unedig yn cael ei ariannu mas o'r gronfa gyfunol fanna, ac felly mae'n anodd gwneud yr un peth fan hyn. Dwi'n gweld hynny, a dwi'n gweld y dadleuon dŷch chi wedi eu gosod yn eu lle i gefnogi dadansoddiad felly. Ond gaf i jest wasgu tipyn bach yn bellach ar hynny? Dwi'n credu eich bod chi'n dweud yn eich llythyr ei fod e'n novel. Dyna un o'r geiriau dŷch chi'n eu defnyddio. I fi, pan wyf i'n darllen hynny, rwy'n dweud, ' So what? So what?' Beth ŷch chi'n dweud yw dyw e ddim wedi digwydd o'r blaen. I fi, mae'n dweud, ' So what? ' Dyw e ddim wedi digwydd o'r blaen - dyw hynny ddim yn ein rhwystro ni rhag gwneud unrhyw beth.
English: I don't think I used that argument as the only argument for any of the other options. I was just describing the fact that the fact that it's novel means that the other challenges haven't been resolved in other contexts. I don't think that the fact that it's novel in and of itself - I agree with you - is any barrier, but it is evidence of the fact that there are number of other challenges facing us on that particular route.
Welsh: Dwi ddim yn credu fy mod i wedi defnyddio'r ddadl yna fel yr unig ddadl ar gyfer un o'r opsiynau eraill. Roeddwn i jest yn disgrifio'r ffaith; efallai mai'r ffaith ei fod e'n novel yn golygu dyw'r sialensiau eraill ddim wedi gallu cael eu hateb mewn cyd-destunau eraill. Dwi ddim yn credu bod y ffaith ei fod e'n novel yn ei hunan - rwy'n cytuno â chi - yn rhwystredigaeth, ond mae'n dystiolaeth efallai o'r ffaith bod amryw o sialensiau eraill ar y llwybr i'r pen hwnnw.
English: Yes, I accept that. Every time I hear a Minister say, 'Well, this is the first time anyone in the world has done this, no-one has followed the Welsh line before,' I'm concerned. [ Laughter. ] They see it as something to be proud of, and I think, 'Well, there may be a reason for that, perhaps'. I do accept that, but it feels to me from reading the letter that you want to shift the responsibility to the Commission, and I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with that.
Welsh: A dwi'n derbyn hynny. Bob tro rwyf fi'n clywed Gweinidog yn dweud, 'Dyma'r tro cyntaf yn y byd mae unrhyw un wedi gwneud hyn, does neb wedi dilyn lein Cymru o'r blaen,' dwi'n becso. [ Chwerthin. ] Maen nhw'n ei weld e fel rhywbeth i fod yn falch ohono fe a dwi'n gweld, 'Wel, mae yna reswm, efallai'. A dwi'n derbyn hynny, ond mae'n teimlo i fi, wrth ddarllen y llythyr, eich bod chi eisiau symud y cyfrifoldeb at y Comisiwn, a dwi ddim yn siŵr mod i'n teimlo'n gyfforddus gyda hynny.