English: Thanks to the committee Chairman for bringing today's debate and also to the people who took part in the inquiry, including the homeless people who took the time to recount their personal experiences to us, which, as Bethan Sayed mentioned, was very illuminating - probably the most illuminating part of the inquiry. One factor that became clear to me during this interaction was this intimate relationship for many homeless people - of course, not all homeless people - between their homelessness, alcohol and substance misuse, and mental health issues. Although, of course, we can't characterise these issues as being interrelated for all homeless people, there is a high incidence of these common themes, and that did emerge during the visits - in my case, to the Salvation Army hostel in Bute Street, just down the road from here. Somebody, during the inquiry, characterised the relationship between these issues as a bit like peeling away layers of an onion, where you peel away the homelessness and you discover, oh yes, there's substance and alcohol misuse. But then you can peel that away and you discover that what's behind that, in many cases, is mental health issues, often caused by adverse childhood experiences. So, these are complex issues that we're dealing with, and it's sometimes difficult to find viable solutions to such complex problems. Looking at the practicalities that arose from the inquiry, there are certain barriers to rough-sleepers in finding temporary or even emergency accommodation. For instance, the Huggard centre told us that some individuals will find themselves excluded from emergency provision for anti-social behaviour, because this includes substance misuse. So, clearly, if people are misusing substances, it's an addiction, it's going to be something that they're not going to be able to stop instantly, so it's rather difficult when they can't be housed, even under emergency provisions, because that behaviour will be defined as being anti-social behaviour. So, this is one of the practical difficulties that we face. These sorts of things create a barrier to those who are seeking refuge from homelessness. Given the complex nature of these issues, there's a very clear concern that access to mental health or substance misuse services is of paramount importance. Left untreated, and with long waiting times for some specialist support services, there is a very real danger that some rough-sleepers will find it impossible to break the cycle that leads to life on the streets. So, we do have to look very closely at provision of mental health services. The committee report did call on the Welsh Government to ensure that the responsibility for implementing the actions was shared, as the committee Chair mentioned in his contribution, between the housing Minister and the health Secretary. We're awaiting what the Government Minister has to say about that today, because the issues of rough-sleeping, together with substance and alcohol misuse and mental health issues, are so interlinked that we do need to have cross-governmental working as the only way in which we can realistically tackle the problem. We also did call on the Government to publish quarterly reports on the rough-sleeping action plan. We felt that this would ensure transparency and enhance accountability. Unfortunately, the Government didn't agree with us on this specific point and felt that quarterly reports would be overly bureaucratic. Of course, there is a question of resources also. I know that the Welsh Government have committed funding towards their aim of eradicating rough-sleeping, but there's a need for human resources in addition to financial support. For instance, when we visited the Salvation Army hostel, concerns were raised by the staff that there simply weren't enough trained people able to deal with the complex substance misuse and mental health issues faced by the people coming to them who sleep rough. So, we do have to address this shortage if we are serious about dealing with this issue. Diolch yn fawr.
Welsh: Diolch i Gadeirydd y pwyllgor am gyflwyno'r ddadl heddiw a hefyd i'r bobl a gymerodd ran yn yr ymchwiliad, gan gynnwys y bobl ddigartref a roddodd amser i sôn wrthym am eu profiadau personol, ac fel y crybwyllodd Bethan Sayed roedd hynny'n ddadlennol iawn - y rhan fwyaf dadlennol o'r ymchwiliad mae'n debyg. Un ffactor a ddaeth yn amlwg i mi yn ystod y rhyngweithio hwn oedd y berthynas agos i lawer o bobl ddigartref - nid yr holl bobl ddigartref wrth gwrs - rhwng eu digartrefedd, camddefnyddio alcohol a sylweddau, a phroblemau iechyd meddwl. Er na allwn ddisgrifio'r problemau hyn fel rhai sy'n cydberthyn yn achos pob unigolyn digartref wrth gwrs, mae'r themâu cyffredin hyn i'w gweld yn aml, a daeth hynny'n amlwg yn ystod yr ymweliadau - yn fy achos i, â hostel Byddin yr Iachawdwriaeth yn Stryd Bute, i lawr y ffordd oddi yma. Nododd rhywun, yn ystod yr ymchwiliad, fod y berthynas rhwng y problemau hyn ychydig bach fel plicio haenau nionyn, lle byddwch yn plicio'r digartrefedd ac yn darganfod, o oes, mae yna gamddefnyddio alcohol a sylweddau. Ond wedyn gallwch blicio hwnnw a byddwch yn darganfod mai'r hyn sydd y tu ôl i hynny, mewn llawer o achosion, yw problemau iechyd meddwl, a achosir yn aml gan brofiadau niweidiol yn ystod plentyndod. Felly, mae'r rhain yn faterion cymhleth, ac mae'n anodd dod o hyd i atebion ymarferol weithiau i broblemau mor gymhleth. Wrth edrych ar yr agweddau ymarferol a godai o'r ymchwiliad, ceir rhai rhwystrau i bobl sy'n cysgu ar y stryd rhag dod o hyd i lety dros dro neu lety mewn argyfwng hyd yn oed. Er enghraifft, dywedodd canolfan Huggard wrthym y bydd rhai unigolion yn cael eu heithrio o'r ddarpariaeth frys o ganlyniad i ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol, gan fod hynny'n cynnwys camddefnyddio sylweddau. Felly, yn amlwg, os yw pobl yn camddefnyddio sylweddau, mae'n ddibyniaeth, mae'n rhywbeth nad ydynt yn mynd i allu rhoi'r gorau iddo ar unwaith, felly mae'n anodd braidd pan na ellir eu cartrefu, hyd yn oed o dan y darpariaethau brys, gan y bydd yr ymddygiad hwnnw'n cael ei ddiffinio fel ymddygiad gwrthgymdeithasol. Felly, dyma un o'r anawsterau ymarferol sy'n ein hwynebu. Mae'r mathau hyn o bethau yn creu rhwystr i'r rhai sy'n ceisio lloches rhag digartrefedd. O ystyried natur gymhleth y materion hyn, mae yna bryder clir iawn fod mynediad at wasanaethau camddefnyddio sylweddau neu iechyd meddwl yn hollbwysig. O'u gadael heb eu trin, a chydag amseroedd aros hir am rai gwasanaethau cymorth arbenigol, ceir perygl go iawn y bydd rhai pobl sy'n cysgu ar y stryd yn ei chael hi'n amhosibl torri'r cylch sy'n arwain at fywyd ar y strydoedd. Felly, rhaid inni edrych yn ofalus iawn ar y ddarpariaeth o wasanaethau iechyd meddwl. Roedd adroddiad y pwyllgor yn galw ar Lywodraeth Cymru i sicrhau bod y cyfrifoldeb dros weithredu'r camau wedi ei rannu, fel y soniodd Cadeirydd y pwyllgor yn ei gyfraniad, rhwng y Gweinidog tai a'r Ysgrifennydd iechyd. Rydym yn aros i weld beth sydd gan Weinidog y Llywodraeth i'w ddweud am hynny heddiw, oherwydd mae problemau cysgu ar y stryd, ynghyd â materion iechyd meddwl a chamddefnyddio alcohol a sylweddau, mor gydgysylltiedig fel bod angen gweithio'n drawslywodraethol fel yr unig ffordd o ddatrys y broblem yn realistig. Hefyd galwasom ar y Llywodraeth i gyhoeddi adroddiadau chwarterol ar y cynllun gweithredu ar gysgu ar y stryd. Teimlem y byddai hyn yn sicrhau tryloywder ac yn gwella atebolrwydd. Yn anffodus, nid oedd y Llywodraeth yn cytuno â ni ar y pwynt penodol hwn a theimlai y byddai adroddiadau chwarterol yn rhy fiwrocrataidd. Wrth gwrs, mae yna gwestiwn yn codi ynglŷn ag adnoddau hefyd. Gwn fod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi ymrwymo cyllid tuag at eu nod o ddileu cysgu ar y stryd, ond mae angen adnoddau dynol yn ogystal â chymorth ariannol. Er enghraifft, pan ymwelsom â hostel Byddin yr Iachawdwriaeth, mynegwyd pryderon gan y staff nad oedd digon o bobl hyfforddedig ar gael i allu ymdrin â'r problemau camddefnyddio sylweddau ac iechyd meddwl cymhleth sy'n wynebu'r bobl sy'n cysgu ar y stryd a ddaw atynt. Felly, rhaid inni fynd i'r afael â'r prinder hwn os ydym o ddifrif ynglŷn ag ymdrin â'r mater hwn. Diolch yn fawr.