English: Well, it was the people who've elected us here. I stood on the manifesto in my constituency including policies on income tax-varying powers and got elected as did - [Interruption.] I got elected, at the end of the day, in my constituency. [Laughter.] And, all Members, indeed, were elected here. But, the point is this: the people of Wales were asked their view on this last month and they expressed their view. Your party had seven seats - yes, that's true - but there are 60 Members here and so there was not a groundswell of massive support for your party, even though I recognise that you did, of course, increase your support and it is evident in the fact that there are seven of you here. I have to say, of course, that your party does not have a sound history of supporting devolution. You and I were together in Blackwood in the 2011 referendum and you opposed the primary law-making powers at that time. Your party, for the first three Assembly elections, at least, opposed the existence of the Assembly. Now, there's been a change. Okay, I will grant that. But, I know that for many of your members the very existence of the Assembly is not something that they're comfortable with. Lord knows, we saw many of the letters that some of them sent over the years into some of the newspapers: they weren't particularly happy with the Assembly, Wales or the Welsh language. That's changed. I accept the point that you make today that you are looking to develop a devolution settlement that is more robust, but the point I make is this: in Scotland, there has not been a referendum and nor has UKIP called for a referendum on the extensive tax-varying powers that Scotland will get. In Northern Ireland, where corporation tax is being devolved, again, UKIP have not called for a referendum in Northern Ireland. So, what makes Wales different, especially given the fact that all parties in their manifestos dealt with this issue, and the people of Wales decided that they wished to support parties - overwhelmingly support the parties - that would look to see tax-varying powers devolved, and particularly look to make sure that those powers, when they arrive, are used prudently? But, I say to him again: no tax-varying powers, no M4 relief road; there is no way of having one without the other.
Welsh: Wel, y bobl sydd wedi ein hethol ni yma. Sefais ar y maniffesto yn fy etholaeth gan gynnwys polisïau ar bwerau amrywio treth incwm a chefais fy ethol fel y cafodd - [Torri ar draws.] Cefais fy ethol, yn y pen draw, yn fy etholaeth. [Chwerthin.] Ac etholwyd pob Aelod yma, yn wir. Ond y pwynt yw hwn: gofynnwyd i bobl Cymru am eu barn ar hyn y mis diwethaf ac maent wedi mynegi eu barn. Cafodd eich plaid saith sedd - do, mae hynny'n wir - ond mae 60 o Aelodau yma felly ni chafwyd ymchwydd o gefnogaeth enfawr i'ch plaid, er fy mod yn cydnabod eich bod, wrth gwrs, wedi cynyddu eich cefnogaeth ac mae'n amlwg yn y ffaith fod yna saith ohonoch yma. Rhaid i mi ddweud, wrth gwrs, nad oes gan eich plaid hanes cadarn o gefnogi datganoli. Roeddech chi a minnau gyda'n gilydd yn y Coed Duon yn ystod refferendwm 2011 ac roeddech yn gwrthwynebu pwerau deddfu sylfaenol ar y pryd. Roedd eich plaid, dros dri etholiad cyntaf y Cynulliad, o leiaf, yn gwrthwynebu bodolaeth y Cynulliad. Nawr, mae newid wedi bod. Iawn, rwy'n derbyn hynny. Ond i lawer o'ch aelodau, gwn nad yw bodolaeth y Cynulliad ynddo'i hun yn rhywbeth y maent yn gyfforddus ag ef. Duw a ŵyr, gwelsom lawer o'r llythyrau a anfonodd rhai ohonynt dros y blynyddoedd i rai o'r papurau newydd: nid oeddent yn arbennig o hapus gyda'r Cynulliad, Cymru na'r iaith Gymraeg. Mae hynny wedi newid. Rwy'n derbyn y pwynt a wnewch heddiw eich bod yn ceisio datblygu setliad datganoli sy'n fwy cadarn, ond y pwynt rwy'n ei wneud yw hyn: yn yr Alban, ni fu refferendwm ac nid yw UKIP wedi galw am refferendwm ychwaith ar y pwerau eang y bydd yr Alban yn eu cael i amrywio trethi. Yng Ngogledd Iwerddon, lle mae'r dreth gorfforaeth yn cael ei datganoli, unwaith eto, nid yw UKIP wedi galw am refferendwm yng Ngogledd Iwerddon. Felly, beth sy'n gwneud Cymru yn wahanol, yn enwedig o ystyried y ffaith fod pob plaid yn eu maniffestos wedi ymdrin â'r mater hwn, a bod pobl Cymru wedi penderfynu eu bod yn dymuno cefnogi pleidiau - a hynny gyda mwyafrif llethol - a fyddai'n dymuno gweld pwerau amrywio trethi wedi'u datganoli, ac a fyddai'n mynd ati'n benodol i wneud yn siŵr fod y pwerau hynny, pan fyddant yn cyrraedd, yn cael eu defnyddio'n ddoeth? Ond rwy'n dweud wrtho eto: heb bwerau amrywio trethi, ni chawn ffordd liniaru'r M4; nid oes unrhyw ffordd o gael un heb y llall.