English: Over four years and five months have passed since the catastrophe at Grenfell Tower, where 72 people sadly and devastatingly died. Now, there are residents across Wales living in fear in flats to this day. So, how can it be the case that, four years on from the tragedy, whilst announcing that the Welsh Government will fund fire-safety surveys for multi-occupied buildings over 11m, the Minister for Climate Change could state that 'What we do not yet know is exactly how many buildings are affected and to what extent'? I think that is a scandal. On the twenty-ninth, the Minister reiterated, and I quote, 'we do not yet know exactly how many buildings are affected by fire safety defects and to what extent.' You just keep pushing it into the long grass. In my view, it's exactly what you have said, Jane, and others have articulately mentioned here today. This situation isn't going to go away with rhetoric from the Welsh Government Minister, and I am really quite upset to think that this could even be used politically by saying, 'We're waiting for the UK Government.' Such information that is required now to put an effective strategy in place is required. So, I would be pleased if the Minister would actually take this matter very, very seriously indeed and update us on what progress is being made in securing the figures and detail as to the extent of defects. This, to me, is almost like another rehearsal of conversations we've held in this Senedd during the last term when I spoke up on issues such as this. You know, for all the new Members that are here, it is actually quite sad to be reiterating the need for us to be doing this. For one block, the total cost of repair work, including the replacement of cladding, has been estimated at £60,000 per flat. I've spoken to people living in these properties, and they say they go to bed fearful for their own lives and they cannot sleep, which again endorses what you've said, Jane, about mental health issues. We know there is cross-party consensus on the need to ensure that the financial burden does not fall on the residents. Avoiding such an outcome is a complex matter, but I am aware the Minister has had a round-table meeting with developers just last month, so details on this outcome would be helpful, Minister. This legislative proposal would be a key opportunity through which we could legislate to ensure that this burden, to make sure safe cladding is available on buildings, falls with the developer rather than the leaseholder. It could also be a means through which to further explore the proposal of a buy-out scheme to support leaseholders who are impacted by building safety and would prefer to sell their property. However, I do hope that Rhys, Mike, Peter and Jane will also agree that legislation needs to go even further and address safety issues such as maintaining compartmentation. The building safety White Paper started this process, but, despite the consultation closing on 12 April of this year, the Welsh Government website is reporting just today that 'The responses are currently being reviewed and we aim to publish a summary and Government response in Autumn 2021.'
Welsh: Mae dros bedair blynedd a phum mis wedi mynd heibio ers y trychineb anffodus a dinistriol yn Nhŵr Grenfell, lle bu farw 72 o bobl. Nawr, mae trigolion ledled Cymru yn byw mewn ofn mewn fflatiau hyd heddiw. Felly, bedair blynedd ers y drasiedi, tra'n cyhoeddi y bydd Llywodraeth Cymru yn ariannu arolygon diogelwch tân ar gyfer adeiladau aml-feddiannaeth dros 11 metr, sut y gallai'r Gweinidog Newid Hinsawdd ddatgan 'ni wyddom eto faint yn union o adeiladau yr effeithiwyd arnynt ac i ba raddau'? Credaf fod hynny'n sgandal. Ar y nawfed ar hugain, ailadroddodd y Gweinidog, a dyfynnaf, 'ni wyddom eto faint yn union o adeiladau y mae diffygion diogelwch tân yn effeithio arnynt ac i ba raddau.' Rydych chi'n dal i'w wthio i'r naill ochr. Yn fy marn i, dyma'n union a ddywedoch chi, Jane, ac mae eraill wedi'i fynegi'n huawdl yma heddiw. Nid yw'r sefyllfa hon yn mynd i ddiflannu yn sgil rhethreg gan Weinidog Llywodraeth Cymru, ac mae'n ofid mawr imi feddwl y gallai hyn gael ei ddefnyddio'n wleidyddol hyd yn oed drwy ddweud, 'Rydym yn aros am Lywodraeth y DU.' Mae angen gwybodaeth o'r fath yn awr i roi strategaeth effeithiol ar waith. Felly, byddwn yn falch pe bai'r Gweinidog yn rhoi ystyriaeth ddifrifol iawn i'r mater hwn ac yn rhoi'r wybodaeth ddiweddaraf inni am y cynnydd sy'n cael ei wneud ar gael y ffigurau a'r manylion ynglŷn â graddau'r diffygion. Mae hyn, i mi, bron fel ailadrodd sgyrsiau a gawsom yn y Senedd hon yn ystod y tymor diwethaf pan siaradais am faterion o'r fath. I'r holl Aelodau newydd sydd yma, mae'n eithaf trist ein bod yn ailadrodd yr angen inni wneud hyn. Ar gyfer un bloc, amcangyfrifwyd mai cyfanswm cost y gwaith atgyweirio, gan gynnwys ailosod cladin, yw £60,000 y fflat. Rwyf wedi siarad â phobl sy'n byw yn yr adeiladau hyn, ac maent yn dweud eu bod yn mynd i'r gwely'n ofni am eu bywydau ac ni allant gysgu, sydd eto'n cadarnhau'r hyn rydych chi wedi'i ddweud, Jane, am broblemau iechyd meddwl. Gwyddom fod consensws trawsbleidiol ynglŷn â'r angen i sicrhau nad yw'r baich ariannol yn disgyn ar y preswylwyr. Mae osgoi canlyniad o'r fath yn fater cymhleth, ond rwy'n ymwybodol fod y Gweinidog wedi cael cyfarfod bord gron gyda datblygwyr y mis diwethaf, felly byddai manylion am y canlyniad hwn yn ddefnyddiol, Weinidog. Byddai'r cynnig deddfwriaethol hwn yn gyfle allweddol inni allu deddfu i sicrhau bod y baich hwn, i sicrhau bod cladin diogel ar gael ar adeiladau, yn gyfrifoldeb ar y datblygwr yn hytrach na'r lesddeiliad. Gallai hefyd fod yn fodd o archwilio ymhellach y cynnig o gynllun prynu allan i gefnogi lesddeiliaid yr effeithir arnynt gan ddiogelwch adeiladau ac y byddai'n well ganddynt werthu eu heiddo. Fodd bynnag, rwy'n gobeithio y bydd Rhys, Mike, Peter a Jane hefyd yn cytuno bod angen i ddeddfwriaeth fynd ymhellach eto a rhoi sylw i faterion diogelwch megis rhannu'n unedau ar wahân. Dechreuodd y Papur Gwyn ar ddiogelwch adeiladau y broses hon, ond er bod yr ymgynghoriad wedi dod i ben ar 12 Ebrill eleni, mae gwefan Llywodraeth Cymru yn adrodd heddiw ddiwethaf 'Mae'r ymatebion yn cael eu hadolygu ar hyn o bryd, ac rydym yn bwriadu cyhoeddi crynodeb ohonynt ac ymateb y Llywodraeth yn ystod hydref 2021.'