techiaith/cofnodycynulliad_en-cy huggingface dataset:
English: Which is a big problem.
Welsh: Sydd yn broblem fawr.
English: Yes, it's a huge problem, but not only to employers, but also to parents and young people, of course.
Welsh: Mae'n broblem anferth, ydy, ond nid yn unig i gyflogwyr, ond i rieni hefyd, a phobl ifanc, wrth gwrs.
English: Do you mind if I carry on in English -
Welsh: Ydych chi'n meindio os gwnaf i gario ymlaen yn Saesneg -
English: What are we going to do, then, to improve employers' understanding of the Welsh bac, and whose work is it to try to persuade employers that it is worth while, if you feel that it is worth while, of course?
Welsh: Beth ydym ni'n mynd i'w wneud, felly, i wella'r syniad gan gyflogwyr yn arbennig am y fagloriaeth, a gwaith pwy ydy ceisio darbwyllo cyflogwyr ei fod o'n werth chweil, os ydych chi'n teimlo ei fod o'n werth chweil?
English: I think we need to review the qualification, and I think the voice of employers should be a key part of that review, so that employability skills and entrepreneurial skills have more of a role within that qualification. And I think that rather than it being done by the colleges or by a qualifications board, I think the employers - . And the only way we'll get employer buy-in is that if they feel ownership of what's being done. Because I think that's what the vision was for the Welsh baccalaureate - that it was going to improve skills for employment. But, somehow or other we've lost our way. The aim is an excellent one, but I think we've lost our way in terms of what we do present at the end of the day, and I think having more input from employers would be a great help.
Welsh: Rwy'n meddwl bod angen adolygu'r cymhwyster, ac rwy'n meddwl y dylai llais cyflogwyr fod yn rhan allweddol o'r adolygiad yna, fel bod sgiliau cyflogaeth, sgiliau entrepreneuriaeth yn cael mwy o le o fewn y cymhwyster. Ac rwy'n credu, yn hytrach na'i fod o'n cael ei wneud gan y colegau neu gan fwrdd cymhwyso, rwy'n meddwl dylai'r cyflogwyr - . A'r unig ffordd rydym ni'n mynd i brynu'r cyflogwyr i fewn yw os ydyn nhw yn teimlo perchnogaeth o beth sy'n cael ei wneud. Achos dyna, rwy'n meddwl, oedd y weledigaeth ar gyfer y fagloriaeth - ei fod o'n mynd i wella a chodi sgiliau ar gyfer cyflogaeth. Ond rywsut neu'i gilydd rydym ni wedi colli'n ffordd. Hynny yw, mae'r nod yn glodwiw iawn, ond rydw i'n meddwl ein bod ni wedi rhyw golli'n ffordd ychydig yn nhermau beth rydym ni'n ei gyflwyno ar ddiwedd y dydd, ac rydw i'n meddwl y buasai cael mwy o fewnbwn gan gyflogwyr yn help mawr.
English: I will carry on in English, if that's okay.
Welsh: Fe wnaf i gario ymlaen yn Saesneg, os yw hynny'n iawn gyda chi.
English: Yes, it's no problem.
Welsh: Iawn, dim problem.
English: I think that one of the problems is that there are a number of priorities. And one of the problems that we have is that we have a number of children coming in to the colleges, and they need to resit their GCSEs - in maths, English and Welsh. It's a valid priority for the Welsh Government for everyone to get a C grade in the core subjects. But that eats into the time that we have to teach young people. And so there's no room for everything in the curriculum somehow - no room in the funding or also in terms of the time and the capacity of the learner to be able to do that number of qualifications. So, the priorities, I think, across the sector - . We've given priority to GCSE resits rather than doing the Welsh bac at present. So, at levels 1 and 2, there are fewer and fewer doing 1 and 2 in the baccalaureate because they're resitting their GCSEs, and there is much more use of the Welsh bac at level 3, and A-level, and vocational level 3.
Welsh: Rydw i'n meddwl mai un o'r problemau ydy bod yna nifer o flaenoriaethau. Un o'r problemau sydd gennym ni ydy bod gennym ni nifer bellach o blant yn dod i'r colegau, ac mae angen iddyn nhw aileistedd eu TGAU - mewn mathemateg, Saesneg a Chymraeg. Mae hi'n flaenoriaeth deilwng gan Lywodraeth Cymru i bawb fod yn cael lefel C yn y pynciau craidd. Mae hynny'n bwyta i fewn i'r amser sydd gennym ni i ddysgu pobl ifanc. Ac felly, nid oes yna le i bob dim, rywsut, yn y cwricwlwm - dim lle yn y cyllid nac ychwaith lle yn amser a chapasiti y dysgwr i fedru gwneud cymaint â hynny o gymwysterau. Ac felly, mae'r blaenoriaethau, rwy'n meddwl, ar draws y sector - . Rydym ni'n rhoi blaenoriaeth iddyn nhw aileistedd eu TGAU, yn hytrach na gwneud y fagloriaeth ar hyn o bryd. Felly, ar lefelau 1 a 2, mae yna lai a llai yn gwneud lefel 1 a 2 yn y fagloriaeth oherwydd eu bod nhw'n aileistedd eu TGAU, ac mae yna fwy o lawer o ddefnydd o'r fagloriaeth ar lefel 3, a lefel A, a lefel 3 galwedigaethol.
English: Maybe Dafydd can give us the picture from north Wales.
Welsh: A fedrith Dafydd roi'r darlun i ni yn y gogledd?
English: I mentioned before coming in, in terms of the context - . Because of the nature of our catchment area, there is a greater percentage of our students staying in Welsh universities, and, as Kay said, Welsh universities are much more willing to recognise the bac. So, to a certain extent, it is less of a problem. But, naturally, we do have students who are looking to go out to universities in England in the Russell Group, and we're having the same experience there where there are differences between the policy that that university extols and what actually happens on the ground when students have interviews in those universities.
Welsh: Roeddwn i'n sôn cyn dod i mewn, yng nghyd-destun - . Oherwydd natur ein dalgylch ni, mae yna ganran lawer iawn yn fwy o'n myfyrwyr ni yn aros o fewn prifysgolion Cymru, ac, fel mae Kay yn dweud, mae prifysgolion Cymru yn llawer iawn mwy parod i gydnabod y bac. Felly, i ryw raddau, mae o'n llai o broblem. Ond, yn naturiol, mae gennym ni fyfyrwyr, yn yr un modd, sy'n archwilio i fynd allan i'n prifysgolion yn Lloegr yn y Russell Group, a'r un un profiadau yr ydym ni'n eu cael yn fanno ydy bod yna wahaniaethau weithiau rhwng y polisi y mae'r brifysgol honno hyd yn oed yn ei arddel a beth sy'n digwydd ar y ddaear pan fydd y tiwtoriaid yn cyfweld yn y prifysgolion hynny, felly.
English: But in terms of Bangor and Glyndŵr University, there's no problem there, though.
Welsh: Ond ym Mangor a Phrifysgol Glyndŵr, nid oes yna ddim problem.
English: No, there is no problem there.
Welsh: Nid oes yna ddim problem yn fanno, nac oes.
English: Thank you. I declare that this meeting of the Culture, Welsh Langugage and Communications Committee is open. The committee Chair is unwell and has sent her apologies for this meeting. Therefore, the first item of business is the appointment of a temporary Chair under Standing Order 17.22, and I invite nominations from committee members.
Welsh: Diolch. Rwyf yn datgan bod y cyfarfod hwn o'r Pwyllgor Diwylliant, y Gymraeg a Chyfathrebu ar agor. Mae Cadeirydd y pwyllgor yn sâl ac wedi anfon ei hymddiheuriadau ar gyfer y cyfarfod. Felly, yr eitem gyntaf o fusnes yw penodi Cadeirydd dros dro o dan Reol Sefydlog 17.22, ac rwyf yn gwahodd enwebiadau gan aelodau'r pwyllgor.
English: I see that there are no further nominations -
Welsh: Os nad oes unrhyw enwebiadau eraill -
English: - therefore, I declare that Dai Lloyd is elected Chair and I invite him to take the chair.
Welsh: - felly, rwyf yn datgan bod Dai Lloyd wedi ei ethol ac yr wyf yn ei wahodd i gymryd y gadair.
English: Thank you very much. Are we waiting for the witnesses?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. A ydym ni'n aros i'r tystion?
English: We'll carry on. May I thank my fellow Members for their confidence in my insufficient ability to run a meeting? Thank you very much anyway, and welcome, all, to the Culture, Welsh Language and Communications Committee. Now, Jane Hutt and Jenny Rathbone have sent apologies for this meeting and, as has been noted already, Bethan, our Chair, is ill and cannot be with us this morning, and that's how I'm in the chair. While we're on item 1, may I ask my fellow Members whether anybody has any declarations of interest according to the Standing Orders? No. Right, great. Thank you very much. We'll move on, therefore, from item 1 to item 2.
Welsh: Fe gariwn ni ymlaen. A allaf i ddiolch yn fawr iawn i fy nghyd-Aelodau am eu hyder yn fy ngallu annigonol i redeg cyfarfod? Diolch yn fawr iawn, ta beth, a chroeso i bawb i'r Pwyllgor Diwylliant, y Gymraeg a Chyfathrebu. Nawr, mae Jane Hutt a Jenny Rathbone wedi gyrru eu hymddiheuriadau nhw i'r cyfarfod ac, fel rydym ni wedi nodi eisoes, mae Bethan ein Cadeirydd yn sâl felly nid yw hi'n gallu bod yn bresennol, a dyna sut rydw i yn y gadair fel ydw i. Tra ein bod ni ar eitem 1, a allaf ofyn i fy nghyd-Aelodau a oes ganddyn nhw unrhyw ddatganiadau o fuddiannau yn ôl y Rheolau Sefydlog? Nac oes. Reit, grêt. Diolch yn fawr. Symudwn ni ymlaen, felly, o eitem 1 i eitem 2.
English: Shall I go first?
Welsh: A ydych chi eisiau i fi fynd yn gyntaf?
English: Chair, thank you very much for the welcome and thank you for the opportunity to provide evidence to you. May I start by saying that the Measure has been in force for some years now and it's very difficult to return to many of the debates and arguments that were had before the Measure was passed by the Assembly. The positive outcome, of course, is that it provides rights for ordinary people to use the Welsh language where they choose, particularly in the public sector. And that is perhaps its strength. On the way in this morning, I recalled - . I was brought up in Cardiff - I'm from Cardiff - and I recall that, in the 1950s and 1960s, you hardly ever saw the Welsh language publicly, but now it's very visible. And that's one positive impact of the Measure. The second thing I'd like to mention - and I'm sure you will come to this point - is the issue of the standards. Are the standards appropriate and operational? It was important to have some sort of regime to implement the rights, but the argument perhaps is whether that is the most effective way of implementing those rights.
Welsh: Gadeirydd, diolch yn fawr iawn am y croeso a diolch am y cyfle i roi tystiolaeth ichi. A gaf i ddechrau drwy ddweud, wrth gwrs, fod y Mesur mewn grym ers rhai blynyddoedd nawr, ac mae'n anodd iawn i fynd yn ôl at y dadleuon - a llawer o ddadleuon - a gafwyd cyn i'r Mesur gael ei basio gan y Cynulliad. Y mesur cadarnhaol, wrth gwrs, yw ei fod yn gosod hawliau i bobl gyffredin ddefnyddio'r iaith ble bynnag maen nhw am ei wneud, yn enwedig yn y sector cyhoeddus. Ac efallai dyna'r cryfder. Ar y ffordd i mewn y bore yma, roeddwn i'n cofio - . Cefais fy magu yng Nghaerdydd - person o Gaerdydd ydw i - ac rwy'n cofio yn y 1950au a 1960au, prin roeddwn i'n gweld Cymraeg yn gyhoeddus, ond nawr mae hi i'w gweld. A dyna un effaith gadarnhaol i'r Mesur. Yr ail beth y buaswn i'n hoffi'i godi - fe ddewch chi at hyn - yw cwestiwn y safonau. A ydy'r safonau yn gymwys ac yn weithredol? Roedd hi'n bwysig iawn cael rhyw gyfundrefn i weithredu'r hawliau, ond efallai mai'r ddadl yw ai dyna'r ffordd orau o weithredu'r hawliau.
English: That's one of the main points of our inquiry. Would you like to contribute?
Welsh: Ie, dyna un o brif pwyntiau ein hymchwiliad ni. A ydych chi eisiau - ?
English: Thank you very much. Is there a view from the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn i chi. A oes yna farn o Gyngor Cyllido Addysg Uwch Cymru?
English: Great, thank you very much. As you have outlined already, we will be going into detail, and the first set of details is on the standards, and Mick will lead on this with his questions. Mick.
Welsh: Grêt, diolch yn fawr. Fel rydych chi wedi olrhain eisoes, fe fyddwn ni yn mynd i fewn i fanylion, a'r adran gyntaf o fanylu am fanylion ydy'r safonau, ac mae Mick Antoniw yn mynd i arwain ar gwestiynau ar y safonau. Mick.
English: There'll be more questions on that type of thing. Owen, would you like to add to that?
Welsh: Bydd yna ragor o gwestiynau ar y math yna o beth. Owen, a oeddet ti eisiau ychwanegu?
English: Thank you very much. That's valuable. Mick, have you finished your questions?
Welsh: Dyna ni. Diolch yn fawr. Mae hynny'n werthfawr. Mick, a wyt ti wedi gorffen dy gwestiynau di?
English: I would definitely agree with that. It has raised awareness of the Welsh language and has made it much more visible internally. Things such as, where we run training, that's offered through the medium of Welsh now to staff. We have a policy of, if we can, getting in trainers who are Welsh speaking. Facilitating workshops or events - we do that completely bilingually now, and I think it's a good thing to do, because it makes the language a living language, doesn't it? It's something that's used in the public life context rather than - . Even without translation equipment, just to use Welsh language words makes a difference. We do much more of that now. I think, if you walked into the arts council now, and see how we were five years ago, internally, the profile of the Welsh language is much, much higher. And also, as we reappoint people, as vacancies arise, we carry out language assessments. And, of course, as the standards are imposed, I'm sure it increases the need for more bilingual staff. So, over time - . Although, the figures don't show that either, because we've lost staff as a result of the restructuring. So, again, there's a story behind statistics sometimes. But we are planning the workforce like that, according to where we see there is a need for language skills increasingly.
Welsh: Buaswn i'n cytuno â hynny, yn bendant. Mae wedi codi ymwybyddiaeth o'r Gymraeg, a'i gwneud yn lot fwy gweladwy yn fewnol. Pethau'r un fath â, lle rydym ni'n rhedeg hyfforddiant, mae hwnnw'n cael ei gynnig yn Gymraeg rŵan i staff. Rydym ni'n gwneud polisi: os ydym ni'n medru cael hyfforddwyr Cymraeg eu hiaith, mi wnawn ni. ' Facilitate -io' gweithdai neu ddigwyddiadau - rydym ni'n gwneud hynny'n hollol ddwyieithog rŵan, ac rydw i'n meddwl ei bod yn beth da i'w wneud, achos mae'n gwneud y Gymraeg yn iaith fyw, onid ydy? Yn rhywbeth sydd yn cael ei ddefnyddio yng nghyd-destun bywyd cyhoeddus yn lle bod - . Mae hyd yn oed, heb offer cyfieithu, jest cael defnydd o eiriau Cymraeg yn gwneud gwahaniaeth. Rydym ni'n gwneud lot mwy o hynny rŵan. Rydw i'n meddwl, pe buasech chi'n cerdded i mewn i'r cyngor celfyddydau rŵan, a gweld sut oeddem ni bum mlynedd yn ôl, yn fewnol, mae proffil y Gymraeg llawer iawn uwch. A hefyd, wrth inni ailbenodi pobl, wrth i swyddi ddod yn wag, rydym ni'n gwneud asesiad iaith. Ac, wrth gwrs, wrth i'r safonau ddod i rym, mae'n siŵr ei fod o'n codi'r angen i gael mwy o staff dwyieithog. So, dros amser - . Er, nid yw'r ffigurau'n dangos hynny chwaith, oherwydd ein bod ni wedi colli staff oherwydd ailstrwythuro ydy hynny. So, eto, mae yna stori y tu ôl i'r ystadegau weithiau. Ond mi ydym ni'n cynllunio'r gweithlu fel hynny, yn unol â lle rydym ni'n gweld bod angen sgiliau iaith yn gynyddol.
English: May I just say that we're a very small organisation as compared to the other organisations? One of the difficulties that we face is employing bilingual staff. Because they're on the same terms and conditions as civil servants, we have to advertise first on the civil service website, and there are few Welsh speakers attracted in that way. So, in terms of appointing staff, we find difficulty in appointing Welsh-speaking staff. Although, we have been successful recently in appointing a Welsh speaker to the commission. Another aspect of this is the way in which the commission operates publicly - everything we do is bilingual. Meetings with county councils and community councils are bilingual, or through the medium of Welsh if they so choose. For example, we've had meetings with Gwynedd, Ceredigion, and community councils in Gwynedd and Ceredigion, and in Denbigh and Conwy, and if they so choose, then those meetings are held in Welsh. And if there's no Welsh speaker on the staff who's able to attend, I attend in order to speak Welsh with them. So, as a small organisation, we have to be flexible and use the scarce resources we have to meet the demands. It would be excellent, as Sian has said, in terms of the children coming through the education system, if they could find a career where they could use the Welsh language and find jobs where the Welsh language is an important aspect. That's the ideal. It would be wonderful if that were to happen. But at the moment, until we reach that point, we do have to use the resources available to us.
Welsh: A gaf i jest ategu, rydym ni'n gorff bach iawn o'i gymharu â sefydliadau eraill? Un o'r anawsterau rydym ni'n ei wynebu yw cyflogi staff dwyieithog. Rydym ni'n gorfod ei wneud e drwy'r broses - achos eu bod nhw ar yr un telerau â gweision sifil, rydym ni'n gorfod hysbysebu'n gyntaf ar wefan y gwasanaeth sifil, a phrin yw'r Cymry Cymraeg sy'n dod trwy hynny. Felly, o ran penodi, rydym i'n ei chael hi'n anodd ffeindio Cymry Cymraeg. Er, rydym ni wedi cael llwyddiant yn ddiweddar - rydym ni wedi penodi Cymro Cymraeg i'r comisiwn. Gwedd arall o hyn yw'r ffordd mae'r comisiwn yn gweithredu'n gyhoeddus - mae popeth rydym ni'n ei wneud yn ddwyieithog. Mae cyfarfodydd â chynghorau sir a chynghorau bro yn ddwyieithog, neu drwy'r Gymraeg os ydyn nhw'n dymuno hynny. Er enghraifft, rydym ni wedi cael cyfarfodydd â Gwynedd a Cheredigion, a chynghorau bro yng Ngwynedd a Cheredigion, ac yn Ninbych a Chonwy, ac os oes dymuniad, Cymraeg yw'r cyfrwng. Ac os nad oes siaradwr Cymraeg ar y staff, rydw i'n mynd i siarad Cymraeg gyda nhw. Felly, mae'n rhaid inni, mewn corff bach, fod yn hyblyg a defnyddio'r adnoddau prin sydd gyda ni er mwyn ateb y galw. Byddai'n wych, fel mae Sian wedi dweud, o ran y plant sy'n dod drwy'r ysgol, iddyn nhw ffeindio gyrfa lle gallan nhw ddefnyddio'r Gymraeg a chael swyddi lle mae'r Gymraeg yn bwysig. Dyna'r ddelfryd. Byddai'n wych petai hynny'n digwydd. Ond ar hyn o bryd, nes ein bod ni'n cyrraedd y pwynt hynny, mae'n rhaid inni ddefnyddio'r adnoddau sydd ar gael.
English: That would be the ambition - I think we're working towards that point - and also not to alienate anyone. What is important is bringing people together and have that dialogue between the various different cultures. And I think, if anything, that's more important.
Welsh: Dyna fuasai'r uchelgais gennym ni, rydw i'n meddwl - rydw i'n meddwl ein bod ni'n gweithio tuag at hynny - a hefyd i beidio â gelyniaethu neb, a thynnu pobl ar wahân. Mynd â phobl at ei gilydd sy'n bwysig a chael y ddeialog rhwng y gwahanol ddiwylliannau. Os rhywbeth, rydw i'n meddwl bod hynny'n bwysicach.
English: Yes, I would agree with that. I think reasonable dialogue has occurred. When you see 61 standards wanting to come in, it's - . But working through it was easier than thinking about it, and there was a very positive dialogue with the commissioner to ensure that they made sense for us. That was an important part of the dialogue in creating them and implementing them, I think.
Welsh: Ie, buaswn i'n cytuno efo hynny. Rydw i'n meddwl bod deialog resymol wedi digwydd. Pan mae rhywun yn gweld 61 o safonau eisiau dod i mewn, mae o'n - . Ond roedd actually gweithio trwyddo fo yn haws na meddwl amdano fo, ac roedd yna ddeialog bositif iawn gyda'r comisiynydd i'w gwneud nhw i wneud sens i ni. Roedd yn rhan bwysig o'r deialog o'u creu nhw, rydw i'n credu, a'u gweithredu nhw.
English: If I may just add that the commissioner was flexible in not requiring the commission to promote the language, because we are so small - our function is to do nothing more than to review electoral arrangements. So, it was positive that we weren't in that promotion category, although we did that in hidden, natural means by publishing through the medium of Welsh and using the Welsh language.
Welsh: A gaf i jest ychwanegu - ? Buodd y comisiynydd yn hyblyg wrth beidio â gorfodi'r comisiwn i hybu'r iaith, achos rydym ni mor fach - nid ein swyddogaeth ni yw gwneud unrhyw beth ond adolygu trefniadau etholiadol. Felly, roedd yn beth da nad oeddem ni yn y categori o hybu, er ein bod ni'n gwneud hynny mewn ffordd naturiol, gudd, drwy gyhoeddi a siarad Cymraeg.
English: Okay, thank you very much. David, have you finished? Thank you, David. Moving on to another section now, which Rhianon will lead on, on promoting the language internally. Now, I do realise, from your comprehensive answers, that you may have covered some of the questions in this section, but Rhianon, the floor is yours.
Welsh: Ocê, diolch yn fawr. David, wyt ti wedi gorffen? Reit, diolch, David. Symudwn ymlaen i adran arall rŵan, o dan ofal Rhianon, ynglŷn â hyrwyddo'r iaith yn fewnol. Nawr, rydw i'n sylweddoli o rai o'ch atebion cynhwysfawr chi mor belled y byddwch chi wedi ateb ambell gwestiwn yn fan hyn, ond Rhianon, mae'r llawr gyda ti.
English: Yes, definitely. I've raised the point already. I think, for those companies, bilingualism, multilingualism, isn't a problem. Every other country, except for England, is bilingual or multilingual. So, the technology can handle different languages, can't it, and it's very important that we invest in ensuring that the Welsh language is at the same level as every other language, or, in the future, as we move more towards Alexa and Siri being able to do everything, the Welsh language will not be able to keep up.
Welsh: Yn bendant, lle rydw i yn y cwestiwn; rydw i wedi codi'r pwynt eisoes. Rydw i'n meddwl, i'r cwmnïau yna, nid yw dwyieithrwydd, amlieithrwydd, yn broblem. Mae pob gwlad arall heblaw Lloegr yn ddwyieithog, amlieithog. So, mae'r dechnoleg yn gallu handlo ieithoedd gwahanol, onid ydy, ac mae'n bwysig, bwysig, bwysig ein bod ni'n buddsoddi mewn cael y Gymraeg i'r un lefel â phob iaith arall, neu, yn y dyfodol, wrth i ni symud yn fwy at Alexa a Siri yn gwneud bob dim, ni fydd y Gymraeg yn gallu cadw i fyny.