English: Okay. I acknowledge that that is a flaw in the system, but the alternative is to ban those who cannot have a vaccination from attending any of these events where a COVID pass will be required. And I don't think that's right, because there are people who simply cannot have a COVID vaccination for one health reason or another. So, we have to just acknowledge that that is a small, tiny minority of the population, but, nevertheless, one we need to consider. So, I understand completely what you're saying, but it's always possible, if a hostelry is concerned about that, or an organisation is concerned, to lay on lateral flow testing outside the venue that they want to control people going into. So, that is an option open to people. But I think - . We heard earlier from the First Minister just how difficult the situation is in the health service, with ambulance crews not being able to turn up to work because they've got COVID, and that will also apply to other health professionals, who are therefore making life much more difficult for their colleagues. And it seems to me that we have to do everything possible to ensure that we have a suite of things. As Frank Atherton pointed out in his recent media interview, this is about a series of initiatives that help remind people that the pandemic is not over. So, of course, top of the list comes vaccination - and the Government seems to be doing absolutely everything possible to ensure that the maximum number of people are taking it up, certainly in Cardiff and the Vale health board - but also things like this, masks, which were not worn on the train that I went on to England last week, and there was no reminder on it as well. I know, on other trains, there are reminders and people are wearing them. The social distancing is, obviously, the second thing. Every time we meet in close quarters, we are risking transmitting COVID. That's just a fact. So, it is a balance between the liberty of being and the need to meet other people with suppressing the disease. And it seems to me that it is a pretty minor thing to ask people to present a COVID pass or to do a lateral flow test. In fact, businesses -
Welsh: Iawn. Rwy'n cydnabod bod hynny'n ddiffyg yn y system, ond y dewis arall yw gwahardd y rhai hynny nad ydyn nhw'n gallu cael brechiad rhag mynychu unrhyw un o'r digwyddiadau hyn lle bydd angen pàs COVID. Ac nid wyf i'n credu bod hynny'n iawn, oherwydd bod yna bobl nad ydyn nhw'n gallu cael brechiad COVID am un rheswm iechyd neu'r llall. Felly, mae'n rhaid i ni gydnabod mai lleiafrif bach, bach iawn o'r boblogaeth yw hynny, ond, serch hynny, un y mae angen i ni ei ystyried. Felly, rwy'n deall yn llwyr yr hyn yr ydych chi'n ei ddweud, ond mae bob amser yn bosibl, os yw tafarn yn pryderu ynglŷn â hynny, neu os yw sefydliad yn pryderu, i osod profion llif unffordd y tu allan i'r lleoliad y maen nhw'n dymuno rheoli pobl yn mynd iddo. Felly, mae hynny'n opsiwn sydd ar gael i bobl. Ond rwy'n meddwl - . Fe wnaethom ni glywed yn gynharach gan y Prif Weinidog pa mor anodd yw'r sefyllfa yn y gwasanaeth iechyd, gyda chriwiau ambiwlans yn methu â dod i'r gwaith oherwydd bod ganddyn nhw COVID, a bydd hynny hefyd yn berthnasol i weithwyr iechyd proffesiynol eraill, sydd felly'n gwneud bywyd yn llawer anoddach i'w cydweithwyr. Ac mae'n ymddangos i mi fod yn rhaid i ni wneud popeth posibl i sicrhau bod gennym ni gyfres o bethau. Fel y nododd Frank Atherton yn ei gyfweliad diweddar yn y cyfryngau, mae hyn yn ymwneud â chyfres o fentrau sy'n helpu i atgoffa pobl nad yw'r pandemig ar ben. Felly, wrth gwrs, ar frig y rhestr yw brechu - ac mae'n ymddangos bod y Llywodraeth yn gwneud popeth posibl i sicrhau bod y nifer mwyaf o bobl yn ei dderbyn, yn sicr ym mwrdd iechyd Caerdydd a'r Fro - ond hefyd pethau fel hyn, masgiau, nad oedden nhw'n cael eu gwisgo ar y trên yr es i arno i Loegr yr wythnos diwethaf, ac nid oedd negeseuon atgoffa arno ychwaith. Rwy'n gwybod, ar drenau eraill, bod negeseuon atgoffa ac mae pobl yn eu gwisgo. Cadw pellter cymdeithasol yw'r ail beth yn amlwg. Bob tro y byddwn yn cyfarfod mewn mannau agos, rydym mewn perygl o drosglwyddo COVID. Mae hynny'n ffaith. Felly, mae'n gydbwysedd rhwng y rhyddid i gael cwrdd â phobl eraill a'r angen i wneud hynny ac atal y clefyd. Ac mae'n ymddangos i mi ei bod yn beth eithaf bach gofyn i bobl gyflwyno pàs COVID neu i wneud prawf llif unffordd. Yn wir, mae busnesau -