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English: And that investment has been safeguarded, therefore, in the draft budget.
Welsh: Ac mae'r buddsoddiad hwnnw wedi gallu cael ei ddiogelu, felly, yn y gyllideb ddrafft.
English: Thank you very much. May I move on to Alun Davies, please?
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr iawn. Gaf i symud ymlaen at Alun Davies, os gwelwch yn dda?
English: Thank you. I want to continue the conversation on education. I like the way you speak, Minister, and your tone, and I do like some of what you've said in terms of how you see the Welsh language prospering and developing for the future. One of the things that I want to see - and I think we all want to see this - is more opportunities for children to be educated through the medium of Welsh - not just to learn Welsh, but to have their education through the medium of Welsh. In the current financial context, what I hear from councils is that there is sufficient funding coming from Welsh Government to create new Welsh-medium schools, but there isn't enough in the budget to continue to fund some Welsh-medium schools where new schools are opened. How would you respond to that?
Welsh: Diolch. Dwi eisiau parhau gyda'r sgwrs ynglŷn ag addysg. Dwi'n licio'r ffordd dŷch chi'n siarad, Weinidog, a'r tôn dŷch chi'n defnyddio, a dwi'n hoff iawn o ambell i beth dŷch chi wedi'i ddweud o ran sut dŷch chi'n gweld y Gymraeg yn ffynnu ac yn datblygu yn y dyfodol. Un o'r pethau dwi eisiau gweld, a dwi'n credu ein bod ni i gyd eisiau gweld, yw mwy o gyfle i blant gael eu haddysg drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg - dim jest dysgu, ond addysg drwy gyfrwng y Gymraeg. Yn y cyd-destun ariannol presennol, beth dwi'n clywed gan gynghorau yw bod yna ddigon o arian ychwanegol yn dod o Lywodraeth Cymru i greu ysgol Gymraeg newydd, ond does dim digon yn y gyllideb i barhau i ariannu rhai o'r ysgolion Cymraeg lle mae ysgolion newydd yn cael eu hagor. Sut fyddech chi'n ymateb i hynny?
English: One of the challenges of opening a new Welsh language school is that, in some communities, you go faster than the demand. That's what we want to do; we want to help create the demand. There's a revenue risk as a result of that, isn't there? What you see, perhaps, are decisions to develop schools, but maybe you could develop larger ones if you could take more of a risk on the revenue. We have been able to come to an agreement on elements of that with authorities. Perhaps I'll ask Owain to say a little bit more about how we do that. But, in parts of Wales - this is happening in north Wales in some communities - we have been able to work with local authorities to solve some of those challenges. Do you want to talk about that?
Welsh: Un o'r heriau wrth agor ysgol Gymraeg newydd yw eich bod chi, mewn rhai cymunedau, yn mynd yn gyflymach na'r galw. Dyna beth rŷn ni eisiau'i wneud; rŷn ni eisiau helpu i greu'r galw. Mae risg refeniw yn dod yn sgil hynny, onid oes? Beth rŷch chi'n gweld, efallai, yw penderfyniadau i ddatblygu ysgolion, ond efallai y gallech chi ddatblygu rhai yn fwy petasech chi'n gallu cymryd fwy o risg ar y refeniw. Ryn ni wedi gallu dod i gytundeb ar elfennau o hynny gydag awdurdodau. Fe wnaf i ofyn, efallai, i Owain ddweud ychydig mwy am sut ryn ni'n gwneud hynny. Ond, mewn rhannau o Gymru - mae hyn yn digwydd yn y gogledd mewn rhai cymunedau - rŷn ni wedi gallu cydweithio gydag awdurdodau i geisio datrys rhai o'r heriau hynny. Wyt ti eisiau ychwanegu at hynny?
English: Yes. Certainly, it's important as part of the conversations that the Minister has at a ministerial level, and as officials, we also have discussions with local authorities on their WESPs. That's not only an issue of discussing capital, but also an issue of revenue and how they plan not just for Welsh-medium schools but also English-medium schools in the area is an important part of that. We know that, in some parts of Wales over the next few years, there's going to be a fall in pupil numbers. So, it is crucial that local authorities are thinking about that and forward planning -
Welsh: Ie. Yn sicr, mae'n rhan bwysig o'r trafodaethau mae'r Gweinidog yn eu cael ar lefel gweinidogol, a hefyd dŷn ni'n eu cael fel swyddogion gydag awdurdodau lleol o ran eu cynlluniau CSCAau nhw. Dyw hwnna ddim jest yn bwysig o ran trafod y cyfalaf ond hefyd y refeniw ac edrych ar sut maen nhw'n cynllunio nid jest yr ysgolion Cymraeg ond hefyd o ran yr ysgolion Saesneg yn yr ardal yn rhan bwysig o hynny. So, dŷn ni'n gwybod, mewn rhai mannau o Gymru dros y blynyddoedd nesaf, fod yna gwymp yn mynd i fod o ran niferoedd disgyblion. Felly, mae'n hollol hanfodol bod awdurdodau lleol yn meddwl am hynny ac yn cynllunio ymlaen llaw -
English: But do you see a responsibility for Welsh Government to support authorities where there are problems, or where it's difficult financially - not just in terms of capital, funding the building of new schools, but then, as you say, Mr Lloyd, the revenue funding in the future?
Welsh: Ond ydych chi'n gweld cyfrifoldeb ar Lywodraeth Cymru i helpu awdurdodau lle mae yna broblemau, neu ble mae'n anodd yn ariannol - nid jest y cyfalaf i ariannu adeiladu ysgol newydd Gymraeg, ond wedyn, fel dŷch chi'n dweud, Mr Lloyd, yr arian refeniw yn y dyfodol?
English: Well, there's no specific revenue pot for that. As you know -
Welsh: Wel, does dim pot refeniw penodol ar gyfer hynny o beth. Fel rŷch chi'n gwybod, mae'n -
English: Yes, and that's the point I'm making.
Welsh: Ie, a dyna'r pwynt dwi'n ei wneud.
English: So, there's no additional element to develop Welsh-medium education, is there?
Welsh: So, does dim elfen ychwanegol i ddatblygu addysg Gymraeg, nac oes?
English: No, but it does have to be a key part of their plans -
Welsh: Nac oes, ond mae'n gorfod bod yn rhan hanfodol o'u cynlluniau -
English: And part of their planning for education in general.
Welsh: Ac yn rhan o'u cynllunio nhw ar gyfer addysg yn gyffredinol.
English: And my point is that the Government has no intention of offering any additional support to local authorities during the next few years.
Welsh: A fy mhwynt i yw does dim bwriad gan y Llywodraeth i gynnig unrhyw gymorth ychwanegol i awdurdodau yn ystod y blynyddoedd nesaf.
English: Well, in terms of revenue, that's settled through the RSG. But, in looking at the strategic plans, all of these discussions are related to the issue of how much provision you can make. We intend to open 23 new primary schools, for example. But one of the things that's important to bear in mind here too is that we're not going to be able to reach our target just through having new Welsh-medium schools; moving schools along the continuum is really important.
Welsh: Wel, o ran refeniw, mae hynny'n cael ei setlo trwy'r RSG; dyna'r cynllun. Ond wrth gwrs, wrth edrych ar y cynlluniau strategol, mae'r trafodaethau yma i gyd ynghlwm yn y cwestiwn o faint o ddarpariaeth gallwch chi ei gwneud dros y cyfnod nesaf. Rŷn ni'n bwriadu agor 23 ysgol gynradd newydd, er enghraifft. Ond un o'r pethau sydd yn bwysig ei gadw mewn cof, rwy'n credu, fan hyn hefyd yw dŷn ni ddim yn mynd i allu cyrraedd y nod jest trwy agor ysgolion cyfrwng Cymraeg newydd; mae symud ysgolion ar hyd y continwwm ieithyddol yn wir yn bwysig.
English: Yes, I agree. I was asking a specific question -
Welsh: Cytuno, cytuno. Roeddwn i'n gofyn cwestiwn penodol -
English: I know, but the answer - . What I'm saying is that that's part of the picture.
Welsh: Dwi'n gwybod, ond yr ateb - . Beth rwy'n dweud yw ei fod e'n rhan o'r darlun.
English: I know that Carolyn just wanted to come in quickly on that.
Welsh: Dwi'n gwybod bod Carolyn eisiau dod mewn yn sydyn ar hyn.
English: We have the Iaith Athrawon Yfory scheme, which provides a financial incentive for people to come into the sector, but the Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol is also piloting a bursary. Also, as you say, it's very important to find ways of attracting people in. An element of that is financial, but there are other elements related to that too. We have a 10-year plan, where we're working with partners across Wales to ensure that we can look at alternative ways of qualifying as teachers, and also looking at people we could attract into the profession. So, the Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol is also working on creating a network of students who've moved from Wales to study in England but who are Welsh speaking, and it's a matter of keeping in touch with them and attracting them back. So, we need to be very creative in how we tackle this, I think.
Welsh: Mae gyda ni'r cynllun Iaith Athrawn Yfory, sy'n darparu cymhellion ariannol i bobl i ddod mewn i'r sector, ond mae'r Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol yn peilota bursary hefyd. A hefyd, fel rŷch chi'n dweud, mae wir yn bwysig ffeindio ffyrdd o ddenu pobl mewn. Mae elfen o honno yn ariannol, ond mae elfennau eraill ynghlwm yn hynny. Mae gyda ni gynllun 10 mlynedd i gydweithio â phartneriaid ar draws Cymru i sicrhau ein bod ni'n gallu edrych ar ffyrdd amgen i gymhwyso fel athro, neu hefyd edrych ar le, efallai, byddai pobl y gallen ni eu denu mewn i'r proffesiwn. Felly, mae'r Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol hefyd yn gweithio ar greu rhwydwaith o fyfyrwyr sydd wedi symud o Gymru i ddysgu, i astudio, yn Lloegr ond sy'n medru'r Gymraeg, a chadw cysylltiad gyda nhw a'u denu nhw nôl, er enghraifft. Felly, mae angen bod yn greadigol iawn, rwy'n credu, yn sut rŷn ni'n mynd i'r afael â hyn.
English: Thank you. If I can go back to Alun Davies.
Welsh: Diolch. Os caf i fynd nôl at Alun Davies.
English: Okay. One of the - . I started my questions this morning by saying that I like your tone, Minister, and one of the things that I like is the emphasis on the use of the Welsh language. I think there is agreement that we need to see more use of the Welsh language. But, because of inflation, the budget has been reduced substantially during this year and next year. So, what impact do you foresee on the use of the Welsh language if the organisations and bodies that are trying to promote the use of the Welsh language see reductions in real terms to their budgets?
Welsh: Ocê. Un o'r - . Gwnes i ddechrau fy nghwestiynau y bore yma trwy ddweud fy mod i'n hoff iawn o'r tôn rydych chi'n ei defnyddio, Gweinidog, ac un o'r pethau dwi'n licio yw'r bwyslais ar ddefnydd o'r Gymraeg. Dwi'n credu bod cytundeb bod angen inni weld mwy o ddefnydd o'r Gymraeg. Ond trwy chwyddiant, mae'r gyllideb wedi'i thorri'n sylweddol yn ystod y flwyddyn yma, blwyddyn nesaf. Felly, pa impact ydych chi'n rhagweld ar ddefnydd o'r Gymraeg os yw'r sefydliadau, y mudiadau sy'n trio hybu defnydd o'r Gymraeg yn gweld toriadau mewn termau real yn eu cyllideb?
English: Well, that is an issue, of course. So, some of the partners we're funding have been given a flat settlement recently, and that's because of financial pressures, and that enables them to spend less on the initiatives that they're involved with, of course. What we've also done, for example, is we're reviewing the grant programme generally now to see if it's in line with the objectives of 'Cymraeg 2050'. That is partially about how much funding organisations receive, but also over what period, so that, within the context of financial pressures, as you mentioned, we can create more flexibility for them in how they use that funding, they would have the opportunity to see longer-term grants so that they can plan more effectively, and that would give them an opportunity to mitigate some of the financial pressures that they face. We've also, for example, with the mentrau iaith, been emphasising the priority of empowering communities - so, not just providing themselves, but working with other organisations. So, one of the things we have been able to do, although the budget has been flat for some of those bodies, is to create a new fund with Cwmpas, which develops co-operative initiatives, and we have worked with some of the mentrau iaith to develop co-operative enterprises within that framework - about four of them. So, co-operation and partnership are very important, given the context that you mentioned.
Welsh: Wel, mae hynny'n issue, wrth gwrs. Felly, mae rhai o'r partneriaid rŷn ni'n eu hariannu wedi cael cyllideb fflat dros gyfnod yn ddiweddar, ac mae hynny wrth gwrs am wasgedd ariannol, ac wrth gwrs mae hynny'n eu galluogi nhw i wario llai ar yr initiatives maen nhw'n eu gwneud. Beth rŷn ni wedi'i wneud hefyd, er enghraifft - rŷn ni'n adolygu'r cynllun grant yn gyffredinol ar hyn o bryd i weld os yw e'n gyson gydag amcanion 'Cymraeg 2050'. Mae hynny'n rhannol yn ymwneud â faint o arian mae'r cyrff yn ei gael, ond hefyd dros ba gyfnod, fel ein bod ni'n gallu creu, o fewn y cyd-destun o wasgedd, fel oeddech chi'n sôn amdano fe, mwy o hyblygrwydd gyda nhw yn sut i ddefnyddio'r arian yna, fod gyda nhw gyfle i weld grantiau mwy hirdymor fel eu bod nhw'n gallu cynllunio yn well, fel bod hynny'n rhoi cyfle iddyn nhw i liniaru rhywfaint ar y pwysau ariannol. Rŷn ni hefyd, er enghraifft, gyda'r mentrau iaith, wedi bod yn pwysleisio'r flaenoriaeth o ymrymuso cymunedol - hynny yw, nid jest darparu eu hunain, ond cydweithio â mudiadau eraill. Felly, un o'r pethau rŷn ni wedi gallu ei wneud, er bod y gyllideb wedi bod yn fflat i rai o'r cyrff hynny, yw creu cronfa newydd gyda'r corff Cwmpas, sydd yn creu mentrau cydweithredol, ac rŷn ni wedi gweithio gyda rhai o'r mentrau iaith i greu mentrau cydweithredol tu fewn i'r fframwaith hwnnw - rhyw bedair o'r rheini. Felly, cydweithio, partneriaeth, yw lot ohono fe, o gofio'r cyd-destun rŷch chi'n sôn amdano fe.
English: Okay. But partnerships don't help to pay the electricity bills.
Welsh: Iawn. Dyw partneriaeth ddim yn helpu i dalu'r biliau trydan.
English: No, but there is the fund, and we have provided new funding streams too.
Welsh: Nac yw, ond mae'r gronfa arian, ac rŷn ni wedi darparu cronfeydd newydd hefyd.
English: That's what I don't quite understand. I welcome it, by the way. I have no problem with it, but I'm not quite sure that I understand how this fund is going to help the organisations that have seen a decline in their core funding.
Welsh: Dyna beth dwi ddim cweit yn ei ddeall. Rwy'n croesawu fe, gyda llaw. Does gen i ddim problem gyda fe, ond dwi ddim yn siŵr fy mod i'n deall sut mae'r gronfa yma yn mynd i helpu'r sefydliadau sydd wedi gweld cwymp yn eu harian rheolaidd nhw.
English: The Urdd has received £1.2 million in addition this term, and also we're funding the Eisteddfod Genedlaethol up to £1 million. We've also committed to looking at the budget of the mentrau iaith, as the Minister has said, following the grant review. But, as a starting point, because we know the financial costs are pressing, we've promised to look at this in the next few weeks before we have the recommendations from the report on the grant as a whole.
Welsh: Mae'r Urdd wedi derbyn £1.2 miliwn yn ychwanegol yn y tymor yma, ac hefyd rydyn ni'n ariannu'r Eisteddfod Genedlaethol hyd at £1 miliwn. Rydyn ni hefyd wedi ymrwymo i edrych ar gyllideb y mentrau iaith, fel mae'r Gweinidog wedi ei ddweud, yn sgil yr arolwg grant. Ond, fel man cychwyn, oherwydd ein bod ni'n gwybod bod y costau ariannol yn pwyso, rydyn ni wedi ymrwymo i edrych yn yr wythnosau nesaf ar hynny hefyd cyn inni gael argymhellion yr adroddiad ar y grant yn ei gyfanrwydd.
English: Okay. Well, I appreciate that, Mrs Webb, but I'm not quite sure that it answers the question that I asked. But, for you, Minister, do you intend to intervene in any way? Because, at the moment, from what I see, grants are provided and organisations such as the mentrau iaith do whatever they choose to do within their own communities. But do you intend to intervene in any way to tell certain bodies, 'This is my priority, and this is how I want you to use taxpayers' money'?
Welsh: Ocê. Wel, dwi'n gwerthfawrogi hynny, Mrs Webb, ond dwi ddim cweit yn siŵr ei fod e'n ateb y cwestiwn gofynnais i. I chi, Weinidog, ydych chi'n bwriadu ymyrryd mewn unrhyw ffordd? Achos, ar hyn o bryd, o beth dwi'n ei weld, mae grantiau yn cael eu cynnig a'r stwff yma i fentrau iaith i wneud beth bynnag maen nhw'n dewis ei gwneud yn eu cymuned. Ydych chi'n bwriadu ymyrryd mewn unrhyw ffordd i ddweud wrth rhai sefydliadau, 'Dyma lle mae fy mlaenoriaeth i, dyma beth dwi eisiau chi ddefnyddio arian trethdalwyr i'w wneud'?
English: I already do that. As a result of the work that was undertaken during COVID to see what the impact of COVID was financially on some of the promoting bodies, I asked those organisations to refocus on not just provide activities themselves, but also this idea of creating capacity and social empowerment. And that is a great shift in the way that a number of bodies - not all of them; there is already good practice in that sector - . If you look on Anglesey, for example, there's a lot of community work ongoing there and in the local economy. So, that is an element, and they're all refocusing on that now. That's why the fund with Cwmpas is important, because that allows them all to work together on those initiatives, and that's what the purpose of the grant review is - to see whether it's consistent with what we're requesting and asking of these organisations for 'Cymraeg 2050'.
Welsh: Rwy'n gwneud hynny eisoes. Yn sgil y gwaith a wnaethpwyd yn ystod COVID i weld beth oedd impact ariannol COVID ar rai o'r cyrff hyrwyddo, gwnes i ofyn i'r cyrff hynny ailffocysu ar nid jest darparu gweithgareddau eu hunain, ond y syniad yma o greu capasiti a grymuso cymdeithasol. Ac mae hynny'n sifft mawr yn y ffordd mae nifer o'r cyrff - dim i gyd; mae arfer da eisoes yn y rhan honno o'r sector - . Os edrychwch chi ym Môn, er enghraifft, mae lot o waith cymunedol yn yr economi leol hefyd. Felly, mae hynny'n elfen, ac maen nhw i gyd nawr yn ailffocysu ar hynny. Dyna pam mae'r gronfa gyda Cwmpas yn bwysig, achos mae hynny yn caniatau iddyn nhw i gydweithio ar yr initiatives hynny, a dyna beth yw pwrpas yr adolygiad grant - i weld os ydyw e'n gyson â'r hyn rŷn ni'n ofyn o'r cyrff yma ar gyfer 2050.
English: I appreciate that, and I welcome that too. Tom Giffard asked a question as to how the whole concept of the target of 1 million Welsh speakers would change the operation of Government. It wasn't a target for the Welsh language division; it's a target for the whole of the Welsh Government.
Welsh: Dwi'n gwerthfawrogi hynny, a dwi'n croesawu hynny hefyd. Roedd Tom Giffard wedi gofyn cwestiwn i chi amboutu sut roedd yr holl gysyniad tu ôl i'r darged o filiwn i newid y ffordd mae'r Llywodraeth yn gweithredu. Doedd e ddim yn darged i is-adran y Gymraeg; roedd e'n darged i Lywodraeth Cymru.
English: You said in response to Tom that the budget for the Welsh language cuts across the whole Welsh Government, because there are many elements to it. Have you - ? Is there any baseline for Welsh Government expenditure on the Welsh language across Government?
Welsh: Rydych chi wedi dweud, wrth ateb Tom, fod cyllideb, fel petai, y Gymraeg yn gyllideb Llywodraeth Cymru mewn ffordd, achos mae yna sawl elfen. Ydych chi wedi - ? Neu oes yna unrhyw baseline, os ydych chi'n lecio, ar gyfer gwariant Llywodraeth Cymru ar y Gymraeg ar draws y Llywodraeth?
English: No. That's what I was, more or less, trying to say earlier - it's not as clear as that. And that's the tension that we have, if I could just expand a little on that: what is expenditure on the Welsh language? So, if you look at the budget of the work that we're doing with Arfor - and you had the Minister for Economy with you earlier - is Arfor the element of expenditure on the Welsh language in the budget there, or is it Business Wales? But, actually, what we should be trying to show is the impact of all the economic programmes on the Welsh language. So, it's much more complex than saying, and I wouldn't want to create a formula that says, 'We're only going to evaluate' - for example - 'Arfor', because that's going to create the wrong behaviour in the Government, I think.
Welsh: Nac oes. Dyna beth rôn i, mwy neu lai, yn trio ei ddweud yn gynharach - dyw e ddim mor glir â hynny. A dyna'r tensiwn sydd gyda ni, os caf i jest dweud ychydig yn helaethach: beth yw gwariant ar y Gymraeg? Felly, os edrychwch chi ar gyllideb y gwaith dŷn ni wedi ei wneud gydag Arfor - roedd Gweinidog yr Economi gyda chi'n gynharach - ai Arfor yw'r elfen o wariant yn y gyllideb honno ar y Gymraeg, ai Busnes Cymru? Ond, actually, beth ddylem ni fod yn ceisio ei ddangos yw impact yr holl raglenni economaidd ar y Gymraeg. Felly, mae e'n llawer mwy cymhleth na jest dweud, a fyddwn i ddim moyn creu fformiwla sy'n dweud, 'Dŷn ni jest yn mynd i werthuso' - er enghraifft - 'Arfor', achos mae hynny'n mynd i greu'r ymddygiad anghywir yn y Llywodraeth, rwy'n credu.
English: Chair, I do think that this is an issue for discussion with Government. Because I tend to agree with the Minister that it is very difficult to measure expenditure, but it's very important to try and measure impact. And I welcome the appointments that you've made recently; Dr Brooks has started work, as have others, in looking at Welsh-speaking communities. So, I do think that it would be useful, perhaps through the budget process, if we could look at the impact of Welsh Government policies on the Welsh language. And perhaps it might be fitting if the Minister could write to us to begin that conversation.
Welsh: Cadeirydd, dwi yn meddwl bod hyn yn fater i'w drafod â'r Llywodraeth. Achos dwi'n tueddu i gytuno â'r Gweinidog ei bod hi'n anodd iawn mesur gwariant, ond mae'n bwysig iawn trio mesur impact. A dwi'n croesawu'r penodiadau dŷch chi wedi eu gwneud yn ddiweddar; mae Dr Brooks wedi dechrau'r gwaith, ac eraill, wrth edrych ar gymunedau Cymraeg. Ac felly, dwi yn meddwl y byddai hi'n hwylus pe baem ni'n gallu, trwy efallai broses y gyllideb, drio edrych ar impact polisïau Llywodraeth Cymru ar y Gymraeg. Ac efallai y byddai hi'n hwylus pe bai'r Gweinidog yn gallu ysgrifennu atom ni i ddechrau'r sgwrs honno.
English: Certainly, very happy to do that. As I said, we're on this path now of moving - . We've got an integrated impact for the budget, but so that we can have the clear picture that you want, and I want, we need to improve the understanding of the impact of individual policies, so that we can look at the aggregate then in the budget, and that's the work that's ongoing. So, I'd be very happy, Chair, to write about that.
Welsh: Yn sicr, hapus iawn i wneud hynny. Fel rôn i'n ei ddweud, dŷn ni ar y llwybr nawr o symud - . Mae gyda ni impact integredig ar gyfer y gyllideb, ond fel ein bod ni'n gallu cael y darlun clir i chi, ac dwi'n moyn, mae angen inni wella'r ddealltwriaeth o impact polisïau unigol, fel ein bod ni'n gallu edrych ar yr aggregate wedyn yn y gyllideb, a dyna'r gwaith sydd ar waith. Felly, byddwn i'n hapus iawn, Gadeirydd, i ysgrifennu am hynny.
English: I'm happy with that.
Welsh: Dwi'n hapus â hynny.