English: Well, I started my remarks this afternoon, Llywydd, by saying I hoped that this would be a constructive debate, and we shouldn't seek to make petty political points of that kind, and I will continue in that spirit - [Interruption.] Well, we can have a yah-boo debate if you like, but I don't think that the public at large are going to be terribly impressed by the attitude of Plaid Cymru on that. I'd like to make a little progress, please. And so, all I'm suggesting is that, in this particular instance, the views of the parents and those most closely affected by the county council's decision have been comprehensively ignored by the county council. The strategic plan that Carmarthenshire County Council has produced has been accepted, broadly speaking, by everybody, as far as I'm aware, except in this one instance. I think that it is a mistake to make the best the enemy of the good, from the point of view of those who want to see more Welsh-medium-only schools. Clearly, if there is massive local opposition to this particular proposal, that should cause us to stay our hand. Let's try persuasion. Let's move a little more slowly in this one particular instance. It's 2017; we don't have to have every single school that was in the strategic plan as a Welsh-medium school by 2017 if it is going to cause massive disruption in the locality. All I'm suggesting is that if we, as we all do, apparently, want to see the Government succeed in its objective, then we must carry the people with us. It doesn't help, therefore, to refer to the genuine worries of parents, whether they be justified or not, as contributing to a toxic atmosphere in Llangennech, as the leader of Plaid Cymru has done. [Interruption.] As the First Minister said in questions the other day, that was not a positive and constructive contribution to the debate. It's not helpful, of course, if a co-ordinator for parents of Welsh-medium education says, 'If those parents don't like the Welsh language, can I suggest that the border is over there, and they can cross the border?' Nor is it helpful for an S4C presenter on Twitter to say, I hate England in my soul yesterday, today, and forever. So, if Plaid Cymru want to condemn bigotry, perhaps they'll condemn Morgan Jones, the person concerned in that tweet. [Interruption.] Jonathan Edwards, the Member of Parliament for Carmarthen East - [Interruption.]
Welsh: Wel, dechreuais fy sylwadau y prynhawn yma, Llywydd, drwy ddweud fy mod yn gobeithio y byddai hon yn ddadl adeiladol, ac ni ddylem geisio gwneud pwyntiau gwleidyddol pitw o'r math hwnnw, a byddaf yn parhau yn yr ysbryd hwnnw - [Torri ar draws.] Wel, gallwn gael dadl wrthwynebus os mynnwch, ond nid wyf yn credu y bydd agwedd Plaid Cymru ar hynny'n creu argraff fawr ar y cyhoedd yn gyffredinol. Hoffwn wneud ychydig o gynnydd, os gwelwch yn dda. Ac felly, y cyfan rwy'n ei awgrymu yw bod safbwyntiau rhieni a'r rhai yr effeithir arnynt fwyaf gan benderfyniad y cyngor sir yn yr achos penodol hwn, wedi cael eu hanwybyddu'n helaeth gan y cyngor sir. Mae'r cynllun strategol y mae Cyngor Sir Caerfyrddin wedi ei gynhyrchu wedi cael ei dderbyn, yn fras, gan bawb, cyn belled ag y gwn i, ac eithrio yn yr un achos hwn. Rwy'n credu mai camgymeriad yw gwneud y gorau'n elyn i'r da, o safbwynt y rhai sydd am weld mwy o ysgolion cyfrwng Cymraeg yn unig. Yn amlwg, os oes gwrthwynebiad lleol enfawr i'r cynnig penodol hwn, dylai hynny achosi i ni ymatal. Gadewch i ni geisio dwyn perswâd. Gadewch i ni symud ychydig yn arafach yn yr un achos penodol hwn. Mae'n 2017; nid oes rhaid i ni gael pob ysgol unigol a oedd yn y cynllun strategol yn ysgol cyfrwng Cymraeg erbyn 2017 os yw'n mynd i achosi aflonyddwch enfawr yn yr ardal. Y cyfan rwy'n ei awgrymu os ydym, fel y mae pawb ohonom, mae'n debyg, am weld y Llywodraeth yn llwyddo yn ei nod, yw bod yn rhaid i ni gario'r bobl gyda ni. Nid yw'n helpu, felly, i gyfeirio at bryderon gwirioneddol rhieni, pa un a oes modd eu cyfiawnhau ai peidio, fel rhai sy'n cyfrannu at yr awyrgylch gwenwynig yn Llangennech, fel y mae arweinydd Plaid Cymru wedi ei wneud. [Torri a draws.] Fel y dywedodd y Prif Weinidog mewn cwestiynau y diwrnod o'r blaen, nid oedd hwnnw'n gyfraniad cadarnhaol ac adeiladol i'r ddadl. Nid yw'n ddefnyddiol, wrth gwrs, os yw cydlynydd rhieni dros addysg Gymraeg yn dweud, 'Os nad yw'r rhieni hynny'n hoffi'r iaith Gymraeg, a gaf fi awgrymu bod y ffin draw yno, a gallant groesi'r ffin?' Nid yw ychwaith yn ddefnyddiol fod cyflwynydd S4C ar Twitter wedi dweud, 'Dwi'n casau Lloegr â fy holl enaid, ddoe, heddiw, ac am byth.' Felly, os yw Plaid Cymru eisiau condemnio rhagfarn, efallai y byddant am gondemnio Morgan Jones, y person dan sylw yn y trydariad hwnnw. [Torri ar draws.] Cyfraniad Jonathan Edwards, yr Aelod Seneddol dros ddwyrain Caerfyrddin - [Torri ar draws.]