English: If I was a Conservative spokesperson in this debate, I would probably do what Laura Jones actually did do, which is to choose a year - I think she chose 2017 - when funding was at its lowest, and then demonstrate that the Conservative UK Government had been generous by replacing some of the funding that they themselves had already cut from the budget. Had she been completely honest in her approach, she would have gone back to 2013, because that's the furthest back we can go under current comparisons, and she would have looked at the funding that was available to police forces from the Home Office in 2013 and 2014. I've done that; it was £240 million, which is a curious figure, because it's the same figure that's in today's budget from the Home Office. We've had eight years of funding that's been cut by the Home Office and replaced in the last two or three years, so the Home Office funding to Welsh police forces today is exactly the same in cash terms as it was back in 2013 and 2014, and trying to pretend that that is in some way generous or that the Home Office and the UK Government are in some ways increasing funding to the police is exceptionally disingenuous and, frankly, dishonest; it doesn't tell the truth about police funding over the last few years. But there's another truism there as well, and that is that the Home Office has changed through its own cuts and through a wider strategy. In terms of the balance of funding for the police back in 2013 or 2014, the council tax precept as part of overall police funding formed around 37 per cent of the total budget available to police forces. Today, that figure is 47 per cent. Nearly half of police funding today in Wales is raised in Wales. It's not provided by the Home Office. And of course, the average precept has increased from £198 in 2013-14 to £274 today. And that is to replace the cuts that have been made by the Home Office in police funding. So, let's be honest about this debate, and let's be honest about what's happened in recent years. That's a tragedy for individual police officers, it's a tragedy for the police service, and it's a tragedy for the communities that need the police to keep us safe. We need to do something about that. I agree with much of what Leanne Wood had to say in this debate, because the issue around the support and structure of policing isn't simply around the distribution of criminality; if that were the case, then the UK Government would never have taken the UK out of the EU justice system, which is probably the single most destructive thing that's been done in the last few decades in terms of addressing issues of criminality and catching crooks, quite frankly. There'll be more people evading justice today because of that single decision than we've had in any time in recent years. But we need to go further and to do more than that. If we had a justice system that was fit for purpose in Wales, then we would have a justice system that addressed the issues of women in it. We do not. For centuries, we've had criminal justice controlled by Westminster without giving a damn about the interests of the people in Wales. There has not been a single centre for women established throughout all those decades and centuries of central control, and that is a tragedy. We also know that up until a few years ago, there was no secure facility in north Wales, and then a superprison was created in Wrexham that doesn't meet the needs of north Wales, but meets the needs of the justice system largely in England. So, we don't have a criminal justice system that's fit for purpose. We don't have a criminal justice system that is funded properly. The debate we had in the budget debate demonstrated very clearly that we'll have a Ministry of Justice that will see further cuts in the next five or six years and that will lead to even more pressures on the police force and even more pressures on the criminal justice system. I think what the police force want from this Parliament isn't warm words and sympathy, and a level of, frankly, dishonesty; what they want is funding and resources and the ability to be structured, governed properly amongst other public services in Wales, accountable to the communities they police, and the ability to do the job.
Welsh: Pe bawn i'n llefarydd ar ran y Ceidwadwyr yn y ddadl hon, mae'n debyg y byddwn i'n gwneud yr hyn a wnaeth Laura Jones, mewn gwirionedd, sef dewis blwyddyn - rwy'n credu iddi ddewis 2017 - pan oedd cyllid ar ei isaf, ac yna dangos bod Llywodraeth Geidwadol y DU wedi bod yn hael drwy roi rhywfaint o'r cyllid yr oedden nhw eu hunain eisoes wedi ei dorri o'r gyllideb yn ôl. Pe bai hi wedi bod yn gwbl onest yn ei hymagwedd, byddai hi wedi mynd yn ôl i 2013, oherwydd dyna'r pellaf yn ôl y gallwn ni fynd o dan y cymariaethau presennol, a byddai hi wedi edrych ar y cyllid a oedd ar gael i heddluoedd gan y Swyddfa Gartref yn 2013 a 2014. Rwyf i wedi gwneud hynny; yr oedd yn £240 miliwn, sy'n ffigur rhyfedd, oherwydd yr un ffigur hwnnw sydd yn y gyllideb gan y Swyddfa Gartref heddiw. Rydym ni wedi cael wyth mlynedd o gyllid sydd wedi ei dorri gan y Swyddfa Gartref a'i roi yn ôl yn ystod y ddwy neu dair blynedd diwethaf, felly mae cyllid y Swyddfa Gartref i heddluoedd Cymru heddiw yn union yr un fath mewn termau arian parod ag yr oedd yn ôl yn 2013 a 2014, ac mae ceisio esgus bod hynny mewn rhyw ffordd yn hael neu fod y Swyddfa Gartref a Llywodraeth y DU mewn rhyw ffyrdd yn cynyddu cyllid i'r heddlu yn hynod o ffuantus ac, mewn gwirionedd, yn anonest; nid yw'n dweud y gwir ynghylch cyllid yr heddlu yn ystod y blynyddoedd diwethaf. Ond mae gwireb arall yno hefyd, a hynny yw bod y Swyddfa Gartref wedi newid trwy ei thoriadau ei hun a thrwy strategaeth ehangach. O ran cydbwysedd y cyllid ar gyfer yr heddlu yn ôl yn 2013 neu 2014, roedd praesept y dreth gyngor fel rhan o gyllid cyffredinol yr heddlu yn ffurfio tua 37 y cant o gyfanswm y gyllideb a oedd ar gael i heddluoedd. Heddiw, 47 y cant yw'r ffigur hwnnw. Mae bron i hanner cyllid yr heddlu yng Nghymru heddiw yn cael ei godi yng Nghymru. Nid yw'n cael ei ddarparu gan y Swyddfa Gartref. Ac wrth gwrs, mae'r praesept cyfartalog wedi cynyddu o £198 yn 2013-14 i £274 heddiw. Ac mae hynny i ddisodli'r toriadau sydd wedi eu gwneud gan y Swyddfa Gartref i gyllid yr heddlu. Felly, gadewch i ni fod yn onest ynghylch y ddadl hon, a gadewch i ni fod yn onest ynghylch yr hyn sydd wedi digwydd yn ystod y blynyddoedd diwethaf. Mae hynny'n drasiedi i swyddogion heddlu unigol, mae'n drasiedi i'r gwasanaeth heddlu, ac mae'n drasiedi i'r cymunedau y mae angen yr heddlu arnyn nhw i'n cadw ni'n ddiogel. Mae angen i ni wneud rhywbeth ynglŷn â hynny. Rwy'n cytuno â llawer o'r hyn yr oedd gan Leanne Wood i'w ddweud yn y ddadl hon, oherwydd nid yw'r mater ynghylch cymorth a strwythur plismona yn ymwneud â dosbarthiad troseddu yn unig; pe bai hynny'n wir, ni fyddai Llywodraeth y DU erioed wedi tynnu'r DU allan o system gyfiawnder yr UE, sef y peth mwyaf dinistriol sydd wedi ei wneud yn ystod y degawdau diwethaf, mae'n debyg, o ran mynd i'r afael â throseddu a dal troseddwyr, a dweud y gwir. Bydd mwy o bobl yn osgoi cyfiawnder heddiw oherwydd yr un penderfyniad hwnnw nag yr ydym ni wedi eu cael ar unrhyw adeg yn ystod y blynyddoedd diwethaf. Ond mae angen i ni fynd ymhellach a gwneud mwy na hynny. Pe bai gennym ni system gyfiawnder a oedd yn addas i'w diben yng Nghymru, byddai gennym ni system gyfiawnder a fyddai'n ymdrin â materion y menywod ynddi. Nid ydym ni'n gwneud hynny. Ers canrifoedd, mae ein cyfiawnder troseddol wedi ei reoli gan San Steffan heb hidio dim am fuddiannau pobl Cymru. Nid oes un ganolfan ar gyfer menywod wedi'i sefydlu drwy gydol yr holl ddegawdau a chanrifoedd hynny o reolaeth ganolog, ac mae hynny'n drasiedi. Rydym ni'n gwybod hefyd, hyd at ychydig flynyddoedd yn ôl, nad oedd unrhyw gyfleuster diogel yn y gogledd, ac yna crëwyd uwchgarchar yn Wrecsam nad yw'n diwallu anghenion y gogledd, ond sydd yn diwallu anghenion y system gyfiawnder yn Lloegr i raddau helaeth. Felly, nid oes gennym ni system cyfiawnder troseddol sy'n addas i'w diben. Nid oes gennym ni system cyfiawnder troseddol sy'n cael ei hariannu'n briodol. Dangosodd y ddadl a gawsom yn y ddadl ar y gyllideb yn glir iawn y bydd gennym ni Weinyddiaeth Gyfiawnder a fydd yn gweld toriadau pellach yn y pump neu chwe blynedd nesaf a bydd hynny'n arwain at fwy byth o bwysau ar yr heddlu a hyd yn oed mwy o bwysau ar y system cyfiawnder troseddol. Rwy'n credu nad geiriau cynnes a chydymdeimlad ac, a dweud y gwir, lefel o anonestrwydd, y mae'r heddlu yn ei ddymuno gan y Senedd hon; yr hyn y mae'n ei ddymuno yw cyllid ac adnoddau a'r gallu i gael ei strwythuro, ei lywodraethu'n briodol ymysg gwasanaethau cyhoeddus eraill yng Nghymru, a bod yn atebol i'r cymunedau y maen nhw'n eu plismona, a'r gallu i wneud y gwaith.