English: Diolch yn fawr, Llywydd. Well, it's been an interesting debate and I'm grateful to everybody who took part, especially the two Members who supported the motion - my colleague Gareth Bennett and Neil McEvoy on the other side of the Chamber. I think that Neil McEvoy did make an important point that we in this house are legislating for others, and there is a general attitude, I think, that we know best and we know what's best for the masses. That's true of all what we might call 'nanny state' innovations of this kind. We can apply the same logic, of course, to other unhealthy practices, like eating too much fatty food or fast food. We could apply the same argument to participation in dangerous sports and all sorts of other activities as well that could produce harm to individuals and a cost to society, but in a free society I think we should be very slow to use legislative powers in order to do that. I do have a great deal of sympathy with the Plaid amendments. Apart from 'delete all', we can support them. Of course it's sensible that we should have proper evaluation of the effects of this legislation and have the best possible data that is available before it is finally put on the statute book - a point that was made by Rhun ap Iorwerth and Simon Thomas, and very sensible points they are. Modelling will only take you so far, because it's a case of garbage in and garbage out. And in the case of studies mentioned by Dai Lloyd like the Saskatchewan study, the situation in Canada is very different because they have a state alcohol monopoly and the state has powers of control over the access to alcohol in a way that it doesn't have here. So, these international comparisons do have to be treated with a certain degree of circumspection. Rhun ap Iorwerth hinted in his contribution that, as far as Plaid Cymru is concerned, this 50p minimum unit price that has been suggested is too low and we need to think about having a much higher figure than that -
Welsh: Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. Wel, mae hi wedi bod yn ddadl ddiddorol ac rwy'n ddiolchgar i bawb a gymerodd ran, yn enwedig y ddau Aelod a gefnogodd y cynnig - fy nghyd-Aelod Gareth Bennett a Neil McEvoy ar yr ochr arall i'r Siambr. Rwy'n credu bod Neil McEvoy wedi gwneud pwynt pwysig ein bod yn y tŷ hwn yn deddfu ar ran pobl eraill, a cheir agwedd gyffredinol, rwy'n credu, mai ni sy'n gwybod orau a ni sy'n gwybod beth sydd orau i'r bobl. Mae hynny'n wir am bob dim y gallem ei alw'n gynlluniau 'gwladwriaeth faldodus' o'r fath. Gallwn gymhwyso'r un rhesymeg, wrth gwrs, i arferion afiach eraill, megis bwyta gormod o fwyd brasterog neu fwyd cyflym. Gellid cymhwyso'r un ddadl i gymryd rhan mewn chwaraeon peryglus a phob math o weithgareddau eraill yn ogystal a allai greu niwed i unigolion a chost i gymdeithas, ond mewn cymdeithas rydd rwy'n credu y dylem fod yn araf iawn i ddefnyddio pwerau deddfwriaethol er mwyn gwneud hynny. Mae gennyf lawer iawn o gydymdeimlad â gwelliannau Plaid Cymru. Ar wahân i'r cymal 'dileu popeth', gallwn eu cefnogi. Wrth gwrs, mae'n synhwyrol inni gael gwerthusiad priodol o effeithiau'r ddeddfwriaeth hon a'r data gorau posibl sydd ar gael cyn ei roi ar y llyfr statud yn y pen draw - pwynt a wnaed gan Rhun ap Iorwerth a Simon Thomas, ac maent yn bwyntiau synhwyrol iawn. Ni fydd modelu ond yn mynd â chi hyd at ryw bwynt, gan ei fod yn achos o sothach i mewn a sothach allan. Ac yn achos yr astudiaethau a grybwyllwyd gan Dai Lloyd megis astudiaeth Saskatchewan, mae'r sefyllfa yng Nghanada'n wahanol iawn oherwydd mae ganddynt fonopoli gwladwriaethol ar alcohol ac mae gan y wladwriaeth bwerau i reoli mynediad at alcohol mewn ffordd nad oes ganddi yma. Felly, rhaid arfer rhyw gymaint o bwyll wrth wneud y cymariaethau rhyngwladol hyn. Awgrymodd Rhun ap Iorwerth yn ei gyfraniad, o ran Plaid Cymru, fod yr isafbris o 50c fesul uned a awgrymwyd yn rhy isel ac mae angen inni feddwl am gael pris llawer uwch na hynny -