English: I'm glad that you selected your - not quite top 10, but you were almost there, I think, of heroes. And I'm also glad to see the word 'heroes' used not in the context of some individualistic achievement, as sometimes does happen, even with sporting heroes and other heroes, but that we celebrate the fact that these heroes come from a community, from a train of thought, from a social experience, which they then take to achieve for themselves. But they're not just achieving for themselves, they're achieving for the culture that they come from. I have always had a strong personal interest in the civil war in the Spanish nations, and I was privileged in my own life to have known and had very interesting conversations with Tom Jones, who was universally known - in Welsh, certainly, and probably in English as well in Wales - as Twm Sbaen. His experience and his contribution, not only during the conflict in Spain but to the politics of the trade union movement and of the left and of internationalism in Wales, is a very distinguished one. I was also pleased that you mentioned the events in Ukraine, with which obviously you have a strong personal and family connection, and I think we still have much to learn about the struggle of Ukraine throughout the nineteenth century and from the twentieth century to the twenty-first century. To select the figure of Gareth Jones reminds us again of the importance of independent journalism and the ability of people to speak out, along with, as you've described, Malcolm Muggeridge. I was not aware that there is in Kyiv a street named after him, and I was very pleased to hear that and I look forward to supporting your attempts and others' to ensure that he is recognised as well equally in Wales. John Hughes, again, a distinguished meteorologist and engineer. How many Welsh people or Welsh-born people have established a city? I can't think of one offhand. No doubt there is some significant nonconformist figure that should have come to my mind. Maybe, actually, it would be that the Mormons would be the equivalent, in Salt Lake City. But certainly, to have done that and to have established a manufacturing centre is a distinguished contribution. And then, coming closer to our time, through the history of the miners' union, we come to Bertrand Russell now. I'm pleased to say in this Chamber that I did actually have the honour of meeting Bertrand Russell in the context of the peace movement, in the context of the contribution that he made with his famous telegram sent from Penrhyndeudraeth to Washington and Moscow at the time of the Cuban missile crisis, which was a very frightening period for me as a relatively young man and for many other people. He was certainly a great philosopher and a great humanist. I don't think he was much of a Welsh nationalist, but I can't criticise him for that. Clearly, the other international figures that you mentioned: there is a strong urge, especially among my colleague the Minister for international relations, that we celebrate Robert Owen properly, and we will do that. But it's also important that in those celebrations we're able to recognise that internationalism as it was promoted by these sons and daughters of Wales is something that we need to recapture today. This place is not just about devolution for Wales, it's about what Wales can continue to contribute to the international scene.
Welsh: Rwy'n falch eich bod wedi dewis eich - nid eich 10 arwr uchaf yn hollol, ond roeddech chi bron yno, rwy'n meddwl. Ac rwy'n falch hefyd o weld y gair 'arwyr' yn cael ei ddefnyddio nid yng nghyd-destun rhyw gyflawniad unigolyddol, fel sy'n digwydd weithiau, hyd yn oed gydag arwyr chwaraeon ac arwyr eraill, ond ein bod yn dathlu'r ffaith bod yr arwyr hyn yn dod o gymuned, o gefndir, o brofiad cymdeithasol, y maent wedyn yn ei gymryd i gyflawni drostynt eu hunain. Ond nid drostynt eu hunain yn unig y maent yn cyflawni, maent yn cyflawni dros y diwylliant y daethant ohono. Rwyf bob amser wedi bod â diddordeb mawr yn bersonol yn y rhyfel cartref yng ngwledydd Sbaen, a chefais y fraint yn fy mywyd fy hun o gael adnabod a chael sgyrsiau diddorol iawn â Tom Jones, a adwaenid gan bawb - yn Gymraeg, yn sicr, ac yn Saesneg hefyd, mae'n debyg, yng Nghymru - fel Twm Sbaen. Mae ei brofiad a'i gyfraniad, nid yn unig yn ystod y gwrthdaro yn Sbaen ond i wleidyddiaeth mudiad yr undebau llafur a'r chwith a rhyngwladoliaeth yng Nghymru, yn un nodedig iawn. Roeddwn hefyd yn falch eich bod wedi crybwyll y digwyddiadau yn yr Wcráin, ac yn amlwg mae gennych gysylltiad personol a theuluol cryf â'r fan honno, ac rwy'n credu bod gennym lawer i'w ddysgu o hyd am frwydr Wcráin drwy gydol y bedwaredd ganrif ar bymtheg ac o'r ugeinfed ganrif i'r unfed ganrif ar hugain. Mae dewis Gareth Jones yn ein hatgoffa eto o bwysigrwydd newyddiaduraeth annibynnol a gallu pobl i godi llais, gyda Malcom Muggeridge, fel y disgrifioch chi. Nid oeddwn yn ymwybodol fod yna stryd yn Kyiv wedi'i henwi ar ei ôl, ac roeddwn yn falch iawn o glywed hynny ac edrychaf ymlaen at gefnogi eich ymdrechion chi ac eraill i sicrhau ei fod yn cael ei gydnabod i'r un graddau yng Nghymru. John Hughes, eto, meteorolegydd a pheiriannydd nodedig. Faint o Gymry neu bobl a aned yng Nghymru sydd wedi sefydlu dinas? Ni allaf feddwl am un yn uniongyrchol. Mae'n siŵr bod rhyw ffigwr anghydffurfiol arwyddocaol a ddylai fod wedi dod i fy meddwl. Efallai, mewn gwirionedd, mai'r Mormoniaid a fyddai'n cyfateb iddo, yn Salt Lake City. Ond yn sicr, mae bod wedi gwneud hynny a sefydlu canolfan weithgynhyrchu yn gyfraniad nodedig. Ac yna, gan nesu at ein hamser ni, drwy hanes undeb y glowyr, down at Bertrand Russell yn awr. Rwy'n falch o ddweud yn y Siambr hon i mi gael y fraint o gyfarfod â Bertrand Russell yng nghyd-destun y mudiad heddwch, yng nghyd-destun y cyfraniad a wnaeth gyda'i delegram enwog a anfonwyd o Benrhyndeudraeth i Washington a Moscow adeg argyfwng taflegrau Cuba, a oedd yn gyfnod brawychus iawn i mi fel dyn cymharol ifanc ac i lawer o bobl eraill. Roedd yn sicr yn athronydd mawr ac yn ddyneiddiwr o fri. Nid wyf yn meddwl ei fod yn fawr o genedlaetholwr Cymreig, ond ni allaf ei feirniadu am hynny. Yn amlwg, y ffigurau rhyngwladol eraill a grybwyllwyd gennych: mae yna ysfa gref, yn enwedig ar ran fy nghyd-Weinidog, y Gweinidog cysylltiadau rhyngwladol, i'n gweld yn dathlu Robert Owen yn iawn, a byddwn yn gwneud hynny. Ond mae hefyd yn bwysig yn y dathliadau hynny ein bod yn gallu cydnabod bod rhyngwladoliaeth fel y câi ei hyrwyddo gan y meibion a'r merched hyn o Gymru yn rhywbeth y mae angen inni ei adfer heddiw. Nid ymwneud â datganoli i Gymru yn unig y mae'r lle hwn, mae'n ymwneud â'r hyn y gall Cymru barhau i'w gyfrannu i'r byd rhyngwladol.