English: Diolch, Llywydd. Can I thank Llyr Gruffydd for his support and just say how disappointed I am with the Government's response? I do appreciate that you can use contractual levers to secure changes in the way that services are delivered, but you have the representative body of work-based learning providers - many of them private sector providers, some third sector providers, others public sector providers - saying, 'We want these duties imposed upon us.' They're actually asking for these things because they want to provide the services that our children and young people need, and in addition to that, many of them already have expertise in delivering support in ways that might be useful for the private sector to learn. So, many of them said: 'We're already supporting people with additional learning needs; we want to see these duties extended to us.' As Llyr Gruffydd has quite rightly pointed out, you've already extended these requirements into the private sector when it comes to early years providers, and I cannot for the life of me see why there should be a different approach when it comes to work-based learning providers. At the end of the day, the taxpayer is paying for these things and there ought to be consistency when it comes to that provision. Now, we all know that where contractual agreements are put in place, it's really important to make sure that contracts are enforced and that contracts are written in such a way that people can't pick holes in them and escape the opportunity to be held to account for the delivery against those contracts. The public sector doesn't always have a good record on being able to do that, and we're going to be in a potential position where FEI colleges, if they've got work-based learning, could potentially subcontract that work out to a private sector provider, to a third sector provider, who has no responsibilities under these new arrangements and completely escape the policing system - completely escape the policing system - that you are seeking to introduce. I'm not asking you to work out all of the ways in which we need to make sure that that system works at the moment. I'm simply giving you an opportunity as Welsh Ministers to have Order-making powers so that you can extend the provisions of the Bill in the future. I don't know why you don't take this opportunity to seize them with both hands, and that's why I still want to push these amendments to the vote.
Welsh: Diolch, Llywydd. A gaf i ddiolch i Llyr Gruffydd am ei gefnogaeth a dweud pa mor siomedig yr wyf i gydag ymateb y Llywodraeth? Rwy'n gwerthfawrogi y gallwch chi ddefnyddio ysgogiadau cytundebol i sicrhau newidiadau yn y ffordd y caiff gwasanaethau eu darparu, ond mae gennych y corff sy'n cynrychioli darparwyr dysgu seiliedig ar waith - llawer ohonynt yn ddarparwyr sector preifat, rhai yn ddarparwyr trydydd sector, eraill yn ddarparwyr sector cyhoeddus - yn dweud, 'Rydym ni eisiau'r dyletswyddau hyn wedi'u gosod arnom ni.' Maen nhw'n gofyn am y pethau hyn mewn gwirionedd oherwydd eu bod eisiau darparu'r gwasanaethau y mae ein plant a'n pobl ifanc eu hangen, ac yn ogystal â hynny, mae llawer ohonyn nhw eisoes yn arbenigo mewn darparu cymorth mewn ffyrdd a allai fod yn ddefnyddiol i'r sector preifat eu dysgu. Felly, dywedodd llawer ohonyn nhw: 'Rydym ni eisoes yn helpu pobl ag anghenion dysgu ychwanegol; rydym ni eisiau gweld y dyletswyddau hyn yn cael eu hymestyn i ni.' Fel y mae Llyr Gruffydd wedi dweud yn gwbl briodol, rydych chi wedi ymestyn y gofynion hyn i'r sector preifat eisoes ym maes darparwyr y blynyddoedd cynnar, ac ni allaf yn fy myw weld pam y dylai fod dull gwahanol ym maes darparwyr seiliedig ar waith. Yn y pen draw, y trethdalwr sy'n talu am y pethau hyn a dylai fod cysondeb o ran y ddarpariaeth honno. Erbyn hyn, rydym ni i gyd yn gwybod, pan fo cytundebau contract yn cael eu rhoi ar waith, ei bod yn bwysig iawn i wneud yn siŵr bod contractau yn cael eu gorfodi, a bod contractau yn cael eu hysgrifennu yn y fath fodd fel na all pobl weld bai arnynt a dianc rhag y cyfle i gael eu dwyn i gyfrif am y ddarpariaeth o'i gymharu â'r contractau hynny. Nid oes gan y sector cyhoeddus hanes da o ran gallu gwneud hynny bob amser, ac rydym ni'n mynd i fod mewn sefyllfa bosibl lle gallai colegau a sefydliadau addysg bellach, os ydyn nhw'n darparu dysgu seiliedig ar waith, o bosibl is-gontractio'r gwaith hwnnw i ddarparwr sector preifat, i ddarparwr trydydd sector, nad oes ganddynt unrhyw gyfrifoldebau o dan y trefniadau newydd hyn a llwyr ddianc rhag y system reoli - llwyr ddianc rhag y system reoli - yr ydych chi'n ceisio ei chyflwyno. Nid wyf yn gofyn i chi weithio allan yr holl ffyrdd y mae angen i ni wneud yn siŵr bod y system honno yn gweithio ar hyn o bryd. Y cyfan yr wyf yn ei wneud yw rhoi cyfle i chi fel Gweinidogion Cymru fod â phwerau i wneud Gorchmynion er mwyn i chi allu ymestyn darpariaethau'r Bil yn y dyfodol. Nid wyf yn gwybod pam nad ydych chi'n achub ar y cyfle hwn gyda'r ddwy law, a dyna pam yr wyf i'n dal i fod yn awyddus i wthio'r gwelliannau hyn i bleidlais.