English: Can I thank the Minister for his statement yesterday, and, again, for this statement today and the opportunity to ask questions and to clarify a few points in relation to the news from Tata of its possible 3,000 job losses and other aspects that the four points had highlighted? It is important that we recognise that the 3,000 job losses are across Europe, but if we consider a third of those perhaps to the UK, that's going to be one eighth of the workforce in the UK, that's 1,000 jobs across the UK, and most of the UK Tata plants are going to be in Wales, so it's a huge impact upon Welsh jobs and the Welsh workforce. And let's be honest with ourselves: it's been four years since we saw the challenges coming through to Tata when Redcar was closed in 2015, and we've seen steel workers having rollercoaster rides in those four years - up and down - difficult times and then they'd be relieved, then more difficult times coming and more challenges. And this has taken a terrible toll on steel workers and their families, with the stress and worry about it. And the announcement that you've just indicated today, Minister, that it's unlikely to know where those job losses will fall and we won't know the implementation until 2021 - another 18 months - is going to add more uncertainty for those families and to those steelworkers, as they'll go into work every day thinking to themselves that there might not be a job for them in 12 months' time. It's something that, really, Tata needs to address more quickly, rather than leaving it so late. I appreciate that they're doing their job, in the sense that they're going to take a detailed look at this, but it's leaving that uncertainty in people's minds for those months ahead of us, and we need to address that, importantly. I also welcome you highlighting the supply-chain element, because, again, the supply-chain aspect of this is, 'What are they doing over the next 18 months? Where are they going to be putting their workforce and their emphasis? How are they going to look at investment and securing that aspect to ensure that they address the efficiency gains and optimisation that Tata are highlighting themselves?' Another worrying part of that statement - if you look at it very carefully, it says an earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation drop of 90 per cent in this financial year. That's a drop of 90 per cent that they've forecast. It's a huge, huge drop in those figures, and therefore we've got to look very carefully at the sustainable future of steel making. They also highlight dumping in their statement, and how that has impacted upon the global market, and, again, we must call upon the UK Government to do more to get the EU to put higher protections on, whilst we are still members of the EU. But also, if we're going to leave the EU, what is the defence mechanism that's going to be in place for the UK to protect from dumping of this steel from elsewhere, because of the trade war between China and America? That's what's causing some of those problems. To be blunt, we knew, last time, the UK did nothing to push the EU to actually put the tariffs on steel from China. It was other EU countries that did it, so I have no faith, at the moment, in the UK Government actually putting anything in force to stop that dumping happening. Will you, again, raise those issues with the UK Government to ensure that we can protect UK steel from being attacked by cheap imports from other nations? Minister, the statement also highlights increasing high-end sales, and that means capital expenditure. Have you had discussions with Tata as to where they might want to put capital expenditure in place to actually get the high-end sales, get the products, like the cable galvanising line in Port Talbot or the Zodiac line in Newport, to ensure that we can have a product that sells in that high-end market? Because they've often told me, if they can get more of that, it increases their returns and profit margins as a consequence of that. He mentioned Orb, and, again, the question comes, when the Orb announcement was made, they were talking about transferring those jobs to the plants in south Wales, particularly in Port Talbot: where does this fall within that, because, if they're talking about job losses within Port Talbot, and we've heard that this is about a third blue collar and about two thirds white collar, so there are blue-collar jobs going, where are those job losses going to be? If there's going to be availability for people from Orb going into the other plants, how does that fit together with this plan? You also mentioned the Swansea bay city deal as part of your answer to Russell George, and, again, perhaps the Welsh Government can give a commitment to how it will work with the Swansea bay city deal, particularly the steel science project, to look at, perhaps, the carbon-neutral agenda that Tata are talking about as part of that deal, and we can actually show the continuing commitment to the future of the steel industry here in Wales through that project. Again, the Welsh Government's commitment to that would be very much welcome. I also agree with you, very much so, that the memorandum of understanding with the trade unions must be honoured, must be kept to, because steelworkers gave up their pension contributions and rights and changed to a new scheme with that commitment given by Tata. They cannot walk away from that commitment. They must make sure that the non - so, the compulsory jobs are gone. It's 2026, if I remember right, the date that they would keep no compulsory redundancies to. They have to deliver that. They can't walk away, because steelworkers have given them everything. They've given them their pension contributions and changes, they've given them their commitment, they've given them productivity changes. They've even accepted job losses when necessary. It's time now Tata actually returned some of that to the workers and gave them protection, and honoured that commitment -
Welsh: A gaf i ddiolch i'r Gweinidog am ei ddatganiad ddoe, ac, unwaith eto, am y datganiad hwn heddiw a'r cyfle i ofyn cwestiynau ac i egluro ychydig o bwyntiau o ran y newyddion gan Tata am y posibilrwydd o golli 3,000 o swyddi ac agweddau eraill a amlygwyd gan y pedwar pwynt? Mae'n bwysig ein bod yn cydnabod bod y 3.000 o swyddi a gollir yn digwydd ledled Ewrop, ond os ystyriwn fod traean o'r rheini efallai yn y DU, mae hynny'n mynd i fod yn un rhan o wyth o'r gweithlu yn y DU, sef 1,000 o swyddi ledled y DU, ac mae'r rhan fwyaf o weithfeydd Tata y DU yn mynd i fod yng Nghymru. Felly mae'n effeithio'n enfawr ar swyddi a gweithlu Cymru. A gadewch inni fod yn onest yma: mae pedair blynedd wedi mynd heibio ers inni weld yr heriau a ddaeth i Tata pan gaewyd Redcar yn 2015, ac rydym wedi gweld y gweithwyr dur yn mynd trwy lawer o newidiadau yn ystod y pedair blynedd hynny - i fyny ac i lawr - amseroedd anodd ac yna bydden nhw'n cael rhyddhad, ac yna mwy o amseroedd anodd a mwy o heriau. Ac mae hyn wedi cael effaith ofnadwy ar weithwyr dur a'u teuluoedd, gyda'r holl straen a phryder yn ei gylch. A'r cyhoeddiad yr ydych chi newydd ei nodi heddiw, Gweinidog, y bydd yn annhebygol y cawn wybod ymhle y gwelir colli swyddi ac na chawn wybod ynghylch y gweithredu tan 2021 - 18 mis arall - mae hyn yn mynd i ychwanegu mwy o ansicrwydd i'r teuluoedd hynny ac i'r gweithwyr dur hynny, gan y byddan nhw'n mynd i'r gwaith bob dydd yn meddwl efallai na fydd swydd ganddyn nhw ymhen 12 mis. Mae'n rhywbeth, mewn gwirionedd, y mae angen i Tata fynd i'r afael ag ef yn gyflym, yn hytrach na'i adael mor hwyr. Rwy'n sylweddoli eu bod yn gwneud eu gwaith, yn yr ystyr eu bod yn mynd i edrych yn fanwl ar hyn. Ond mae'n gadael yr ansicrwydd hwnnw ym meddyliau pobl am y misoedd sydd o'n blaenau, ac mae angen inni fynd i'r afael â hynny, ac mae hynny'n bwysig iawn. Rwyf hefyd yn croesawu eich bod wedi tynnu sylw at elfen y gadwyn gyflenwi, oherwydd, unwaith eto, agwedd y gadwyn gyflenwi yw hon, 'Beth maen nhw'n ei wneud yn ystod y 18 mis nesaf? Ble maen nhw'n mynd i fod yn rhoi eu gweithlu a'u pwyslais? Sut maen nhw'n mynd i ystyried buddsoddi a sicrhau'r agwedd honno a gwneud yn siwr eu bod yn mynd i'r afael â'r arbedion effeithlonrwydd a'r optimeiddio y mae Tata yn tynnu sylw atynt eu hunain? Rhan arall o'r datganiad sy'n peri gofid - os edrychwch arno'n ofalus iawn, mae'n cyfeirio at enillion cyn llog, treth, dibrisiant ac amorteiddio'n gostwng 90 y cant yn y flwyddyn ariannol hon. Maen nhw'n gweld gostyngiad o 90 y cant. Mae'r gostyngiad yn y ffigurau hynny yn enfawr, ac felly mae'n rhaid inni edrych yn ofalus iawn ar ddyfodol cynaliadwy cynhyrchu dur. Maen nhw hefyd yn tynnu sylw at ddympio yn eu datganiad, a sut mae hynny wedi effeithio ar y farchnad fyd-eang, ac, unwaith eto, mae'n rhaid inni alw ar Lywodraeth y DU i wneud mwy i gael yr UE i osod camau amddiffyn uwch, tra'r ydym yn dal i fod yn aelodau o'r UE. Ond hefyd, os ydym ni'n mynd i adael yr UE, beth yw'r mecanwaith amddiffyn sy'n mynd i fod ar waith ar gyfer y DU i ddiogelu rhag dympio'r dur hwn o lefydd eraill, oherwydd y rhyfel masnach rhwng Tsieina ac America? Dyna beth sy'n achosi rhai o'r problemau hynny. A bod yn blaen, roeddem yn gwybod, y tro diwethaf, na wnaeth y DU ddim i wthio'r UE i roi'r tariffau ar ddur o Tsieina. Gwledydd eraill yr UE wnaeth hynny, felly nid oes gennyf i unrhyw ffydd, ar hyn o bryd, yn Llywodraeth y DU yn rhoi unrhyw beth mewn grym i atal y dympio hwnnw rhag digwydd. A wnewch chi, unwaith eto, godi'r materion hynny gyda Llywodraeth y DU i sicrhau y gallwn ni amddiffyn dur y DU rhag cyrch gan fewnforion rhad o genhedloedd eraill? Gweinidog, mae'r datganiad hefyd yn tynnu sylw at gynnydd mewn gwerthiannau ym mhen ucha'r farchnad, ac mae hynny'n golygu gwariant cyfalaf. A ydych chi wedi cael trafodaethau gyda Tata ynghylch lle y gallent fod eisiau rhoi gwariant cyfalaf ar waith i gael gwerthiannau pen ucha'r farchnad, i gael y cynhyrchion, fel y llinell galfaneiddio cablau ym Mhort Talbot neu'r llinell Zodiac yng Nghasnewydd, er mwyn sicrhau y gallwn ni gael cynnyrch sy'n gwerthu ym mhen ucha'r uchel? Oherwydd sawl gwaith maen nhw wedi dweud wrthyf, os gallant gael mwy o hynny, mae'n cynyddu eu helw a maint yr elw o ganlyniad i hynny. Soniodd am Orb, ac, unwaith eto, mae'r cwestiwn yn codi, pan wnaed y cyhoeddiad ynghylch Orb, roedden nhw'n sôn am drosglwyddo'r swyddi hynny i'r gweithfeydd yn ne Cymru, yn enwedig ym Mhort Talbot: ble mae hyn yn dod o fewn hynny, oherwydd, os ydyn nhw'n sôn am golli swyddi ym Mhort Talbot, ac rydym ni wedi clywed bod hynny tua thraean y swyddi coler glas a thua dwy ran o dair o'r swyddi coler gwyn. Felly mae swyddi coler glas yn mynd, a ble fydd y swyddi hynny'n cael eu colli? Os bydd modd i bobl o Orb fynd i'r gweithfeydd eraill, sut mae hynny'n cyd-fynd â'r cynllun hwn? Fe wnaethoch sôn hefyd am fargen ddinesig bae Abertawe fel rhan o'ch ateb chi i Russell George ac, eto, efallai y gall Llywodraeth Cymru roi ymrwymiad i'r modd y bydd yn gweithio gyda bargen ddinesig bae Abertawe, yn enwedig y prosiect gwyddor dur, i ystyried, efallai, yr agenda niwtral o ran carbon y mae Tata yn sôn amdani fel rhan o'r fargen honno, a gallwn ni ddangos yr ymrwymiad parhaus i ddyfodol y diwydiant dur yma yng Nghymru drwy'r prosiect hwnnw. Eto, byddai ymrwymiad Llywodraeth Cymru i hynny'n cael ei groesawu'n fawr. Cytunaf hefyd â chi, yn bendant iawn, bod yn rhaid cadw at y memorandwm cyd-ddealltwriaeth â'r undebau llafur, gan fod gweithwyr dur wedi ildio eu cyfraniadau pensiwn a'u hawliau ac wedi newid i gynllun newydd gyda'r ymrwymiad hwnnw a roddwyd gan Tata. Ni allan nhw gefnu ar yr ymrwymiad hwnnw. Mae'n rhaid iddyn nhw wneud yn siŵr bod y diffyg - felly, mae'r swyddi gorfodol wedi mynd. Os cofiaf yn iawn, byddent yn cadw unrhyw ddiswyddiadau gorfodol tan 2026. Rhaid iddyn nhw gyflawni hynny. Ni allant gerdded i ffwrdd, oherwydd mae'r gweithwyr dur wedi rhoi popeth iddyn nhw. Maen nhw wedi rhoi eu cyfraniadau a newidiadau pensiwn iddyn nhw, maen nhw wedi rhoi eu hymrwymiad iddyn nhw, maen nhw wedi rhoi newidiadau cynhyrchiant iddyn nhw. Maen nhw hyd yn oed wedi derbyn colli swyddi pan oedd angen. Bellach mae'n amser i Tata roi rhywfaint o hynny yn ôl i'r gweithwyr a rhoi amddiffyniad iddyn nhw, ac anrhydeddu'r ymrwymiad hwnnw -