English: I'd like to thank Bethan Jenkins for bringing forward this debate on safeguarding and patients' rights in the Welsh NHS. And the reason why I wanted to make a contribution was that, in January 2012, I did a short debate that was entitled 'Does the Welsh Government have a moral responsibility to seek to protect whistle blowers in all walks of life?' Because one of the incidents - and you talked specifically about the Kris Wade case - is that there were people there who were trying to blow the whistle, and they couldn't and didn't. The question is: why? When I raised this before, the Minister who responded to me at the time, who is the current leader of the house, assured us that there is written guidance issued by Welsh Government to NHS trusts requiring each to develop its own whistleblowing policy and that a structured assessment of NHS bodies had been undertaken by the Wales Audit Office, which sought high-level assurances that whistleblowing policies and guidance to staff were in place. The reason I feel so strongly about this is that, in this instance, whistleblowing didn't work. In Powys, which we talked about earlier, people tried to whistleblow, and that didn't work. And currently, I'm being ticked off by a major health board because somebody has tried to whistleblow, got slapped down by the health board, who then came to me, and I've raised those concerns. I've got a letter - which I will share, I won't publicly shame them, but I'm happy to share it with you, Minister - that basically tells me that because they haven't gone through the policy, the procedure, then tough luck. The reason people can't whistleblow is because they are frightened. The reason they don't whistleblow is they are scared they're going to lose their jobs or their lives are going to be made an absolute misery. And, when good people walk on by and do nothing, it allows things like the Kris Wade incident to get away, to happen without having proper punishment. We must start having a robust system in place that everybody in the NHS and other public service bodies absolutely cleave to in terms of being able to point out something that they feel is morally or factually incorrect, and have a manager who is outside of that system, looking at it and examining it, and above all somebody - and I know I'm just discounting all the malicious people, and there aren't that many of them -
Welsh: Hoffwn ddiolch i Bethan Jenkins am gyflwyno'r ddadl hon ar ddiogelu a hawliau cleifion yn y GIG yng Nghymru. A'r rheswm pam rwy'n awyddus i gyfrannu oedd fy mod wedi cyflwyno dadl fer ym mis Ionawr 2012 ag iddi'r teitl 'A oes cyfrifoldeb moesol ar Lywodraeth Cymru i geisio gwarchod y rheini sy'n chwythu'r chwiban ym mhob agwedd ar fywyd?' Oherwydd un o'r digwyddiadau - ac fe siaradoch yn benodol am achos Kris Wade - yw bod pobl yno a oedd yn ceisio chwythu'r chwiban, ac ni allent ac ni wnaethant. Y cwestiwn yw: pam? Pan godais hyn o'r blaen, sicrhaodd y Gweinidog a ymatebodd i mi ar y pryd, sy'n arweinydd y tŷ bellach, fod yna ganllawiau ysgrifenedig wedi eu cyhoeddi gan Lywodraeth Cymru i ymddiriedolaethau'r GIG yn ei gwneud yn ofynnol i bob un ddatblygu ei pholisi chwythu'r chwiban ei hun a bod asesiad strwythuredig o gyrff y GIG wedi cael ei gynnal gan Swyddfa Archwilio Cymru, i geisio sicrwydd ar lefel uchel fod polisïau chwythu'r chwiban a chanllawiau i staff ar waith. Y rheswm y teimlaf mor gryf am hyn yw'r ffaith na weithiodd chwythu'r chwiban yn yr achos hwn. Ym Mhowys, fel y soniwyd gennym yn gynharach, fe geisiodd pobl chwythu'r chwiban, ac ni weithiodd hynny. Ac ar hyn o bryd, rwy'n cael fy ngheryddu gan fwrdd iechyd mawr oherwydd bod rhywun wedi ceisio chwythu'r chwiban, wedi cael eu rhoi yn eu lle gan y bwrdd iechyd, cyn dod ataf fi wedyn, ac rwyf wedi mynegi'r pryderon hynny. Mae gennyf lythyr - ac fe'i rhannaf, nid wyf am godi cywilydd arnynt yn gyhoeddus, ond rwy'n hapus i'w rannu gyda chi, Gweinidog - sy'n dweud wrthyf, yn y bôn, am nad ydynt wedi mynd drwy'r polisi, y weithdrefn, yna hen dro ond dyna ni. Y rheswm na all pobl chwythu'r chwiban yw oherwydd eu bod yn ofni gwneud hynny. Y rheswm nad ydynt yn chwythu'r chwiban yw bod arnynt ofn eu bod yn mynd i golli eu swyddi neu fod eu bywydau'n mynd i gael eu gwneud yn artaith. A phan fydd pobl dda yn cerdded heibio a gwneud dim, mae'n caniatáu i bethau fel digwyddiad Kris Wade i basio, i ddigwydd heb gael cosb briodol. Mae'n rhaid i ni ddechrau cael system gadarn yn ei lle y bydd pawb yn y GIG a chyrff gwasanaethau cyhoeddus eraill yn glynu ati'n llwyr o ran gallu tynnu sylw at rywbeth y maent yn teimlo ei fod yn foesol neu'n ffeithiol anghywir, a bod ganddynt reolwr sydd y tu allan i'r system honno, yn edrych arno ac yn ei archwilio, ac yn anad dim, rhywun - ac rwy'n gwybod fy mod yn diystyru'r holl bobl faleisus, ac nid oes llawer ohonynt -