English: We're playing around with different datasets here, but those statistics are certain and they're independent and they're proven. However, where we can agree is that it is too high - it is stubbornly high - and we need to use all of the levers in our control to actually bring child poverty down. If I can turn to some of the remarks from Llyr, he, like many others, highlighted the pernicious impacts of child poverty, and took the intervention from Mike Hedges, who flagged up, actually, the beneficial impact that the Flying Start programme has - indeed had - in those areas it's in. We need to make sure that those same effects are being seen outside of the Flying Start areas, either with that programme or other programmes that we have as well. In fact, our very well-targeted childcare offer, as I said when I appeared before the committee - . The majority of those who are making use within the first year, of the seven pilot authorities, are those below the Welsh median salary - it's those who are actually most in need of having that childcare offer who are the ones who are taking that offer within the first year that we've been assessing that, but we'll bring forward some analysis in the autumn as well. David, can I simply say, with respect, it is not a lame excuse to point to the responsibility of the UK Government in this as well? We have levers in our control; we do not have all the levers to actually play with. But it was good to hear you praise the efforts of Welsh Government on things like tackling zero hours. Leanne, I understand that you focused on identifying how many words are in certain documents on poverty. What you didn't do, I have to say, is look at the policies within those strategies that are being delivered now on the ground that are making a difference; the actual tools and mechanisms. I'll turn to some of them in a moment. Siân talked about how this Welsh Government doesn't have, actually, a policy and strategy around tackling child poverty. Well, we do, and we will refresh it and we will bring forward the progress on that, actually, in 2019.
Welsh: Rydym yn chwarae o gwmpas gyda setiau data gwahanol yma, ond mae'r ystadegau hynny'n bendant ac maent yn annibynnol ac maent wedi'u profi. Fodd bynnag, lle y gallwn gytuno yw ei fod yn rhy uchel - mae'n ystyfnig o uchel - ac mae angen inni ddefnyddio'r holl ddulliau o dan ein rheolaeth i ddod â lefelau tlodi plant i lawr. Os caf droi at rai o'r sylwadau gan Llyr, cyfeiriodd, fel llawer o rai eraill, at effeithiau niweidiol tlodi plant, a chymerodd yr ymyriad gan Mike Hedges, a nododd, mewn gwirionedd, yr effaith fuddiol y mae rhaglen Dechrau'n Deg yn ei chael - wedi ei chael yn wir - yn yr ardaloedd lle mae'n bodoli. Mae angen inni wneud yn siŵr y gwelir yr un effeithiau hynny y tu allan i ardaloedd Dechrau'n Deg, naill ai gyda'r rhaglen honno neu raglenni eraill sydd gennym yn ogystal. Mewn gwirionedd, mae ein cynnig gofal plant sydd wedi'i dargedu'n dda iawn, fel y dywedais pan ymddangosais gerbron y pwyllgor - . Mae'r rhan fwyaf o'r rhai sy'n gwneud defnydd o fewn y flwyddyn gyntaf, o saith awdurdod lleol y cynllun peilot, yn is na'r cyflog canolrifol yng Nghymru - y rheini sydd fwyaf o angen cael y cynnig gofal plant yw'r rhai sy'n cymryd y cynnig hwnnw o fewn y flwyddyn gyntaf y buom yn asesu hynny, ond byddwn yn cyflwyno dadansoddiad yn yr hydref hefyd. David, a gaf fi ddweud yn syml, gyda phob parch, nad esgus tila yw tynnu sylw at gyfrifoldeb Llywodraeth y DU yn hyn o beth? Mae gennym ddulliau o dan ein rheolaeth; nid oes gennym yr holl ddulliau i chwarae â hwy mewn gwirionedd. Ond roedd yn dda eich clywed yn canmol ymdrechion Llywodraeth Cymru ar bethau fel mynd i'r afael â threfniadau dim oriau. Leanne, rwy'n deall eich bod wedi canolbwyntio ar nodi faint o eiriau a geir mewn dogfennau penodol ar dlodi. Yr hyn na wnaethoch, rhaid imi ddweud, yw edrych ar y polisïau o fewn y strategaethau hynny sy'n cael eu cyflawni yn awr ar lawr gwlad ac sy'n gwneud gwahaniaeth; yr offer a'r dulliau go iawn. Fe drof at rai ohonynt mewn eiliad. Soniodd Siân nad oes gan Lywodraeth Cymru bolisi a strategaeth ar fynd i'r afael â thlodi plant. Wel, oes mae gennym un, a byddwn yn ei ddiweddaru ac yn bwrw ymlaen i wneud cynnydd ar hwnnw yn 2019.