English: I'm not a member of the committee, but I took a great deal of interest in this report, particularly because there are two sources of very good-quality journalism that I use - it isn't one of the big ones - and that's Senedd Home, which is run by Owen Donovan, and it's run entirely as a labour of love. It is the best summary of these debates that you will see anywhere, and I would recommend any Member of the Senedd - I know I've spoken to the Deputy Minister about this before - use that as a source for finding out what has gone on post debates, because it is the best summary you will see, short of reading through the whole Record yourself, which, of course, isn't possible. And I'm sure this will get a mention in his summary as well, which is not why I'm saying it, Deputy Minister. The other issue, though, is that public notices don't apply to him because it's an online service. So, there is an issue with the publication of public notices. The other source that I use - and Senedd Home is absolutely independent and supports independence - is the Caerphilly Observer, and the Caerphilly Observer is a stunning piece of work. It started in 2009 as an online source and now has a print run that runs across the Caerphilly borough. It is completely independent, and I know it is because there are stories in there that have driven me mad. But I also know that there are stories in there that have driven Plaid Cymru mad. And, in fact, it's good to see that the Plaid Cymru people in Caerphilly insist it's a Labour rag and the Labour people insist that it's a Plaid rag, so you know very well - and if there were any Conservatives in Caerphilly, I'm sure they'd say the same about other parties. And it is a very, very good source of independent information. Because they've got a print run, they can run community print notices, so they do get a subsidy by that route. I spoke to the publisher last night; I had a chat with Richard Gurner who started it, and it's his work, and one of the things he said was, if you go down the route of a direct subsidy, the problem becomes accountability. At least if you're doing the public notices, the benefit of public notices is there's a public service, which you're being paid for directly. And I know all the political parties that are represented in my community, the main political parties, advertise in the Caerphilly Observer. There is another form of public subsidy, and that is without fear or favour. So, I think that is the better route with regard to - I think it's recommendation 7. I haven't got the report in front of me, but I think it was recommendation 7, Chair. But it doesn't disguise the huge long-term problems that the industry is facing. Good, proper, well-researched, detailed, accurate news is much harder to monetise than a clickbait post. That's the biggest problem facing the industry at this time. I know we all go on Facebook and we provide our information as accurately as we can, regardless of party. I've seen Members across this Chamber providing good information on Facebook, but there is a tide that swamps us all, and the danger is that this tide will swamp the likes of the Caerphilly Observer. So, the problem also faced is that businesses that currently advertise in their print edition, as electronic media takes off, the newer businesses don't want to use the print edition either. They're currently keeping a good income through print advertising, but that isn't likely to be sustained long term. So, the publisher of the Caerphilly Observer told me that his answer to this is two things: continue that public services subsidy that we've mentioned; but also - and I'll use his words - 'the solution is in developing highly engaged online audiences who are willing to pay for their information, but for that information also to be available to all'. 'I know that not all of my audience', said Richard Gurner from the Caerphilly Observer, 'is willing to make a financial contribution, but if enough do, then that could lead to a sustainable business model not reliant on advertising. It's a really tall order, but it's not impossible'. And I tell you something, if you go in to a shop in Caerphilly and you talk about a recent incident, somebody is likely to say to you, 'Oh, I saw that in the Observer. ' They don't mean the Sunday Observer, they mean the Caerphilly Observer. People talk about that paper, because it is a reliable and trusted source, and Richard is starting to see the benefit of that through people paying subscriptions. The final thing he said to me was that the Welsh Government has shown leadership in supporting the independent sector through the independent community journalism fund. This helped him keep afloat, but what he would like to see is to see that expanded. So, it would be really important to see that expanded through the independent sector. Even though it does come back to this issue of state subsidy, it is as arm's length, to an extent, which is beneficial. So, that's where my interest is. I want to see good-quality hyperlocal journalism; even if it isn't in my favour, I want to see it. And I think the two shining examples that I've identified today - Senedd Home and Caerphilly Observer - are the ones who are leading the way.
Welsh: Nid wyf yn aelod o'r pwyllgor, ond roedd gennyf lawer iawn o ddiddordeb yn yr adroddiad hwn, yn enwedig gan fy mod yn defnyddio dwy ffynhonnell o newyddiaduraeth o ansawdd da iawn - nid y rhai mawr - sef Senedd Home, a ddarparir gan Owen Donovan, ac sy'n cael ei rhedeg yn gyfan gwbl fel llafur cariad. Dyma'r crynodeb gorau o'r dadleuon hyn a welwch yn unrhyw le, a byddwn yn argymell i unrhyw Aelod o'r Senedd - rwy'n gwybod fy mod wedi siarad â'r Dirprwy Weinidog am hyn o'r blaen - ddefnyddio'r ffynhonnell honno ar gyfer darganfod beth sydd wedi digwydd ar ôl dadleuon, gan mai dyma'r crynodeb gorau a welwch, heb fynd i ddarllen drwy'r Cofnod cyfan eich hun, ac nid yw hynny'n bosibl wrth gwrs. Ac rwy'n siŵr y bydd hyn yn cael ei grybwyll yn ei grynodeb hefyd, ac nid dyna pam rwy'n ei ddweud, Ddirprwy Weinidog. Y mater arall, serch hynny, yw nad yw hysbysiadau cyhoeddus yn berthnasol iddo oherwydd ei fod yn wasanaeth ar-lein. Felly, mae problem yn codi o ran cyhoeddi hysbysiadau cyhoeddus. Y ffynhonnell arall a ddefnyddiaf - ac mae Senedd Home yn gwbl annibynnol ac yn cefnogi annibyniaeth - yw'r Caerphilly Observer, ac mae'r Caerphilly Observer yn waith syfrdanol. Dechreuodd yn 2009 fel ffynhonnell ar-lein ac erbyn hyn mae ganddo gylchrediad print ar draws bwrdeistref Caerffili. Mae'n gwbl annibynnol, a gwn hynny am fod straeon ynddo sydd wedi fy ngyrru o 'nghof. Ond rwy'n gwybod hefyd fod yna straeon ynddo sydd wedi gyrru Plaid Cymru o'u cof. Ac mewn gwirionedd, mae'n dda gweld bod pobl Plaid Cymru yng Nghaerffili yn mynnu ei fod yn bapur Llafur ac mae'r bobl Lafur yn mynnu ei fod yn bapur Plaid Cymru, felly rydych chi'n gwybod yn iawn - a phe bai unrhyw Geidwadwyr yng Nghaerffili, rwy'n siŵr y byddent yn dweud yr un peth am bleidiau eraill. Ac mae'n ffynhonnell dda iawn o wybodaeth annibynnol. Gan fod ganddynt gylchrediad print, gallant redeg hysbysiadau cymunedol mewn print, fel eu bod yn cael cymhorthdal drwy'r llwybr hwnnw. Siaradais â'r cyhoeddwr neithiwr; cefais sgwrs gyda Richard Gurner, y gŵr a'i dechreuodd, a'i waith ef ydyw, ac un o'r pethau a ddywedodd oedd, os ewch ar hyd llwybr cymhorthdal uniongyrchol, y broblem yw atebolrwydd. O leiaf os ydych yn gwneud yr hysbysiadau cyhoeddus, mantais hysbysiadau cyhoeddus yw bod yna wasanaeth cyhoeddus y cewch eich talu amdano'n uniongyrchol. Ac rwy'n gwybod bod yr holl bleidiau gwleidyddol a gynrychiolir yn fy nghymuned, y prif bleidiau gwleidyddol, yn hysbysebu yn y Caerphilly Observer. Ceir math arall o gymhorthdal cyhoeddus, a hynny heb ofn na ffafriaeth. Felly, credaf mai dyna'r llwybr gorau o ran - credaf mai argymhelliad 7 ydyw. Nid yw'r adroddiad gennyf wrth law, ond rwy'n credu mai argymhelliad 7 oedd hwnnw, Gadeirydd. Ond nid yw'n celu'r problemau hirdymor enfawr y mae'r diwydiant yn eu hwynebu. Mae newyddion manwl gywir, safonol, da, wedi'i ymchwilio'n drylwyr yn llawer anos i'w foneteiddio na deunydd sy'n abwyd ar gyfer denu rhywun i glicio. Dyna'r broblem fwyaf sy'n wynebu'r diwydiant ar hyn o bryd. Rwy'n gwybod ein bod i gyd yn mynd ar Facebook ac yn darparu ein gwybodaeth mor gywir ag y gallwn, ni waeth beth fo'n plaid. Rwyf wedi gweld Aelodau ar draws y Siambr yn darparu gwybodaeth dda ar Facebook, ond mae yna lanw sy'n ein llethu i gyd, a'r perygl yw y bydd y llanw hwn yn llethu rhai fel y Caerphilly Observer. Felly, y broblem a wynebir hefyd yw nad yw busnesau sy'n hysbysebu yn eu rhifyn print ar hyn o bryd, wrth i gyfryngau electronig ddod yn fwyfwy poblogaidd, nid yw'r busnesau mwy newydd eisiau defnyddio'r argraffiad print ychwaith. Ar hyn o bryd maent yn cadw incwm da drwy hysbysebu mewn print, ond nid yw hynny'n debygol o gael ei gynnal yn hirdymor. Felly, dywedodd cyhoeddwr y Caerphilly Observer wrthyf fod ganddo ddau beth yn ateb i hyn: parhau â'r cymhorthdal gwasanaethau cyhoeddus rydym wedi'i grybwyll; ond hefyd - ac fe ddefnyddiaf ei eiriau ef - 'yr ateb yw datblygu cynulleidfaoedd ar-lein ymgysylltiol iawn sy'n barod i dalu am eu gwybodaeth, ond i'r wybodaeth honno fod ar gael i bawb hefyd'. 'Gwn nad yw pob un o fy nghynulleidfaoedd', meddai Richard Gurner o'r Caerphilly Observer, 'yn barod i wneud cyfraniad ariannol, ond os oes digon yn gwneud hynny, gallai arwain at fodel busnes cynaliadwy nad yw'n dibynnu ar hysbysebu. Mae'n gofyn llawer, ond nid yw'n amhosibl'. Ac fe ddywedaf hyn wrthych, os ewch i siop yng Nghaerffili a'ch bod yn sôn am ddigwyddiad diweddar, mae rhywun yn debygol o ddweud wrthych, 'O, gwelais hynny yn yr Observer. ' Nid yr Observer ar ddydd Sul a olygant ond y Caerphilly Observer. Mae pobl yn siarad am y papur hwnnw, oherwydd mae'n ffynhonnell ddibynadwy y gellir ymddiried ynddi, ac mae Richard yn dechrau gweld budd hynny drwy fod pobl yn tanysgrifio. Y peth olaf a ddywedodd wrthyf oedd bod Llywodraeth Cymru wedi dangos arweiniad wrth gefnogi'r sector annibynnol drwy'r gronfa newyddiaduraeth gymunedol annibynnol. Roedd hyn yn ei helpu i gadw i fynd, ond hoffai weld hynny'n cael ei ehangu. Felly, byddai'n bwysig iawn gweld hynny'n cael ei ehangu drwy'r sector annibynnol. Er ei fod yn dod yn ôl at fater cymhorthdal y wladwriaeth, mae'n gymhorthdal hyd braich i raddau, sy'n fuddiol. Felly, dyna lle mae fy niddordeb i. Rwyf am weld newyddiaduraeth hyperleol o ansawdd da; hyd yn oed os nad yw ar fy ochr i, rwyf am ei weld. Ac rwy'n credu mai'r ddwy enghraifft ddisglair a nodais heddiw - Senedd Home a'r Caerphilly Observer - yw'r rhai sy'n arwain y ffordd.