English: I thank Andrew R.T. Davies for his contribution. I don't agree with his final point. I think it is stretching the argument well beyond where the facts would take it in order to suggest that this Bill, which simply disapplies a number of trade union-related matters, somehow opens the door to regional pay in Wales. I simply don't accept his argument there. I think it's right that I should point out to him that the strike action in ABMU, were it to go ahead, would have met the thresholds in the legislation that his party has put on the statute book. So, there would be no recourse there. As far as his points about the BMA are concerned, I think he is simply adding to the case that I have made. The social partnership model is not about cosy relationships in which you always agree, but it is about being willing to go on sitting around a table with people who have different views to your own, and to be willing to engage seriously and attentively with the points they made and to be able to demonstrate to them that, where those points have a relevance, you are willing to act with them in order to solve it. I met the BMA every six weeks that I was health Minister. Those meetings were not always comfortable meetings, but the fact that they knew that they would always have a hearing and that I would always be willing to think carefully about what they had to say was the reason why, when junior doctors were on strike in England, the BMA proposed that its members here in Wales would keep working. The social partnership model is absolutely borne out by the point that he made. I think any politician who complains about politicisation is to be taken with more than a pinch of salt. He started off by saying to me that this was a Bill that proceeded from the manifesto of a political party in England. If that isn't politicising things, I don't know what is.
Welsh: Diolch i Andrew R.T. Davies am ei gyfraniad. Nid wyf yn cytuno â'i bwynt olaf. Credaf ei fod yn ymestyn y ddadl ymhell y tu hwnt i'r ffeithiau os yw'n awgrymu bod y Bil hwn, nad yw'n gwneud dim mwy na datgymhwyso nifer o faterion sy'n gysylltiedig ag undebau llafur, yn agor cil y drws rywsut ar gyflogau rhanbarthol yng Nghymru. Nid wyf yn derbyn ei ddadl yn hynny o beth. Rwy'n credu y dylwn dynnu ei sylw at y ffaith y byddai streic ym Mhrifysgol Abertawe Bro Morgannwg, pe bai'n digwydd, wedi cyrraedd y trothwyon yn y ddeddfwriaeth y mae ei blaid wedi eu rhoi ar y llyfr statud. Felly, ni fyddai modd gwneud dim am hynny. O ran ei bwyntiau am Gymdeithas Feddygol Prydain, rwy'n meddwl ei fod yn ychwanegu at yr achos a wneuthum. Nid yw'r model partneriaeth gymdeithasol yn ymwneud â pherthynas glyd lle rydych bob amser yn cytuno, ond yn hytrach â bod yn barod i barhau i eistedd o amgylch y bwrdd gyda phobl sydd â safbwyntiau gwahanol i'ch rhai chi, a bod yn barod i gymryd rhan yn ddifrifol a gwrando'n astud ar y pwyntiau a wnaed ganddynt a gallu dangos iddynt, lle y mae'r pwyntiau hynny'n berthnasol, eich bod yn barod i weithredu gyda hwy er mwyn datrys y mater. Roeddwn yn cyfarfod â Chymdeithas Feddygol Prydain bob chwe wythnos tra oeddwn yn Weinidog iechyd. Nid oedd y cyfarfodydd hynny'n gyfforddus bob amser, ond y ffaith eu bod yn gwybod y byddent bob amser yn cael gwrandawiad ac y buaswn bob amser yn barod i feddwl yn ofalus am yr hyn oedd ganddynt i'w ddweud oedd y rheswm pam yr argymhellodd Cymdeithas Feddygol Prydain y dylai ei haelodau yma yng Nghymru barhau i weithio pan oedd meddygon iau ar streic yn Lloegr. Mae'r model partneriaeth gymdeithasol yn cael ei gadarnhau'n llwyr gan y pwynt a wnaeth. Rwy'n credu y dylid cymryd unrhyw wleidydd sy'n cwyno am wleidyddoli gyda mwy na phinsiad o halen. Dechreuodd drwy ddweud wrthyf fod hwn yn Fil a oedd yn dilyn ymlaen o faniffesto plaid wleidyddol yn Lloegr. Os nad yw hynny'n wleidyddoli, nid wyf yn gwybod beth sydd.