input: Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Well , let's start . What are we doing ? Oops . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Hmm .
  Industrial Designer: Ah , pinball .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Not doing .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Mm . Ah . Hey . {vocalsound} Ah .
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Oh .
  Marketing: Now I have my screen back too . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Very good .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} we have presentations . So first , it's your turn .
  Industrial Designer: {gap}
  User Interface: Mine . Oh , great .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . Isn't it amazing . {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Huh . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Very interesting .
  User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Industrial Designer . Interface concept .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes , well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept . Uh , first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose , uh show you some samples , uh uh discuss some colours and design maybe , already . And uh my personal preferences . {vocalsound} Well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off . The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off . The channels buttons , one to nine , and uh off uh uh zero to nine , and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine . Uh the volume and channel quadrants , uh left and right , up and down arrows , to uh do the volume and channel . And the menu menu button to man manipulate the L_C_D_ uh display . Um , I found some uh interesting uh uh samples . Examples .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Um , well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's {disfmarker} that they're all pretty uh uh high uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Large .
  User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long .
  Marketing: A lot {disfmarker} a lot of buttons buttons .
  User Interface: Um , power buttons are mostly at the top uh left or right . Um , well we see the the the same uh arrows . Like there . And uh {disfmarker} Yeah , well arrow b buttons can be blue . And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons . Some buttons have icons like the play and stop , but we don't use that . But uh , these we we have to choose the right icons , or or letters . Uh this is the V_ for volume , but they're both uh a V_ .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  User Interface: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So , that's {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Can you go back one page ? For the uh menu , what do we use for that ? We don't have buttons for the menu .
  User Interface: Uh , well {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel {gap} .
  User Interface: Yeah . I thought that was our uh idea .
  Project Manager: Okay . But {gap} uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: So , uh how {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: You have to put it on the {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Like this .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Or or this . And that the menu button is okay .
  Project Manager: Yeah but , has to be clear that you can use the arrows .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , okay .
  Marketing: Yes .
  User Interface: Uh , so the {disfmarker} The icons on the arrows , as well , you mean .
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yes . The second one .
  User Interface: Yeah . Uh , well that's something to uh think about . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: Uh , maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation . And you will see it .
  User Interface: Okay .
  Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Um , well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already , or in the next uh meeting .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: But uh , as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uh colours and the logo , I would uh recommend a yellow case . Uh , round edges . The logo at the bottom . And uh , well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh has uh has his own colour . So , it's good . Uh , recognisable . K so , I think .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Not too much colours .
  User Interface: Uh , no . Not too much .
  Project Manager: No , it's not flower power .
  User Interface: But uh {disfmarker} No , no , no . But this has to be has to be trendy and uh {disfmarker} and {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: S okay .
  User Interface: Uh , yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons , and uh and big buttons is my uh personal uh opinion .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  User Interface: That was that .
  Project Manager: Thank you . So , you're next .
  Industrial Designer: I'm next , okay . {vocalsound} Yes . No . Here we go .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Uh , at first we will uh I will f uh say something about what younger people want ,
  Marketing: {gap} Okay .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Industrial Designer: our uh group w uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to . And then , I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs , about uh what battery is in it , what kind of buttons also . First uh , the younger people , they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours . Like , totally yellow , totally red . Uh , so it's visible . Uh , the shapes are curved and round , like uh you also said . Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones , straight and uh flat and long . But to give him the shape of your hand , so you {disfmarker} it's easier to use or something like that . But that's just an idea . And then , I'll have to discuss about the costs uh of all the things for the remote control . The battery , there are few options . Uh , I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery . So , everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket . Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch . When you uh shake it a few times , it it's loaded . Uh , the the form of the remote control , I think it's also nice {gap} have it curved . And maybe like it's hand-shaped . Uh , so uh you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons . Uh material , you use plastic . Hard plastic uh because uh {gap} it won't have to burst uh like in the {disfmarker} in one time . And also rubber because the younger people like that , what we see in the research . Uh the push-buttons . We have one new thing uh discovered . It's a scroll push uh thing like a mouse . Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels . When you want to go m move up , you just scroll up and click on the button , if you wanna see the next , uh if you wanna see that channel . And also for the mouse , uh for the volume , it's also uh easy to use . Just scroll a bit up , scroll a bit down . And that's also easy just w when you have a thing like this , and you get it here . You can do it with your thumb . And with your l left hand you can uh push the buttons
  Marketing: Hmm .
  Industrial Designer: uh if you {gap} push uh channel one , you can see channel one . The electrics um with a scroll push uh button , we must use regular uh chips . There are also uh simple chips . They are uh cheaper . Um , but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control , and I think there are a lot of those uh things , and people won't buy it any more . They have seen enough of it . And you have also advanced um chips . But that's with the L_C_D_ uh screen . And the costs will increase a lot more . And I think our budget is too low to use and an L_C_D_ , and the chip who is more expensive . And maybe it's also then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the {disfmarker} for remote control , that we then use the primary colours . Like , you get a yellow uh remote control , red one , blue one , et cetera . You have any more questions about this ? I think the main thing is we look at the costs .
  Marketing: Yep .
  Project Manager: Hmm .
  Industrial Designer: And not too basic , not a basic remote control , who everybody already has .
  Marketing: Yeah . But , thi i uh {disfmarker} This is with an L_C_D_ ? No ,
  Industrial Designer: Not with an L_C_D_ .
  Marketing: not .
  Project Manager: No , isn't .
  Industrial Designer: No .
  Project Manager: But the L_C_D_ is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons . Then you can scroll , you see what number , and then you push .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . But then , what I say , the costs will uh get a lot higher .
  Project Manager: But then it's not easy to use scroll uh wheel . If you don't {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Th then you'll see it on the television .
  Project Manager: Hmm , yes . But then . Yeah , then you go one down one up . When you scroll .
  Industrial Designer: but l when you see a menu uh on the television , it's like you see uh one to twenty , you go uh uh s scroll up , and push number tw twenty . Yeah
  Project Manager: but like we said before , it has to be used on every television . Yeah So you may not be uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No . The television must do that . So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah , I think the younger people will have newer televisions , which can provide our uh remote control .
  Project Manager: Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room . And mostly they are smaller . So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yes . But that won't be a problem . I think .
  Project Manager: Most the times that are not advanced televisions .
  Industrial Designer: No , but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: And I think , what I said , everybody has them uh has them already . And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros . Uh , and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing . And I think we must look further to uh to devel d develop something news .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Marketing: Uh , can you give an indication in b uh in the cost difference between uh the chip with L_C_D_ or without ?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I got it on my screen and it was uh higher . But I don't know uh how much higher . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: 'Cause it {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: That's important .
  Marketing: I think if we have an L_C_D_ , it will also sell a lot better .
  Industrial Designer: That's true .
  Marketing: And that might uh bring back the costs uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: But then we'll {disfmarker} I think we must discuss who {disfmarker} uh what will be better . If we have a better shape of the um remote control , or better options on it . With a scroll menu , a w scroll thing , and a L_C_D_ . And then a flat um remote control . Or , a more hand-shaped remote control , with scroll , without L_C_D_ .
  Project Manager: Yeah . Maybe you can look how how much it is for the L_C_D_ .
  Industrial Designer: I can uh look on my uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's very important .
  Industrial Designer: {gap} Uh {disfmarker} Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip . A scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip , which is a higher price range . The display requires a advanced chip , which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip .
  Project Manager: Yeah , more expensive . But how much ?
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Doesn't say . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh .
  User Interface: Hmm .
  Marketing: Huh .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: That's from my manufacturing division .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: 'Kay . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well , thank you .
  Industrial Designer: Yes ?
  Marketing: My turn ?
  Project Manager: Next .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm . So {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Yeah . So , my uh presentation is about trend-watching . Uh , I did some trend-watching . It's very important to uh keep up with latest trends . {vocalsound} 'Cause if you don't , you won't sell . So , well how we did do that ? Uh , well we made an investigation of the market , by Trendwatchers . They uh watch in uh cities like uh Paris and Milan . Of course , well known for their uh trend {disfmarker} uh trends . And well , uh what did you find ? Uh , we have two groups , young and trendy , and the old and rich . Well th and the young and trendy , they uh they starting to like uh fruit and vegetables uh as a theme for n uh clothes , shoes , and also uh products . And um , material ? That should feel {disfmarker} have uh a spongy feeling . And to get a feeling for what it is , uh here is an image of it . Then the old and rich . They like uh dark colours , and simple , recognisable shapes .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: And um , they also like uh familiar material , uh especially wood . Now , another picture .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: To get a feeling for this . Well , uh then already come to my personal preferences . We uh aim at the younger market . So , we should also be uh look at their uh trends . However , with trends it's always if there's {disfmarker} it's now . It it it might last one year , and next year it be {disfmarker} uh can be totally different . And I think we want to sell our product for longer than one year . So , we m must not just only look at what the trend is now , as it might be totally different next year . So , that's uh one thing to keep in mind .
  Industrial Designer: Changing covers . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah . Any questions ?
  Industrial Designer: Nope .
  Project Manager: No . It's clear .
  User Interface: No .
  Project Manager: So now , it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Ah , let's see . Now , w we have to decide {vocalsound} Well , we have to decide on the concept . So , we have to look at {disfmarker} 'S next . Components and user interface concept . So {disfmarker} Now , we have to make some concept . Maybe one of you can paint it on the board . First , uh user interface .
  Industrial Designer: Uh , uh-uh . How w how we how we make it ? Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yes , a concept on uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Just {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Shouldn't we first discuss about like what w we all {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , but maybe we can paint it . Uh , what do we want ?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , but if I paint with {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I'll paint . Okay .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Well {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: Something like this ? Or {disfmarker} Shapes or {disfmarker} What do we need ?
  User Interface: Mm , yes . What ?
  Marketing: Can make several uh concepts .
  Project Manager: Yes , okay .
  Marketing: We have this , and we had the idea of an um a more uh uh uh like sh in the shape of your hand .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: More like something {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah I I I uh {disfmarker} yes . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: M like {disfmarker} Yeah I can't dr I can't draw it .
  Project Manager: And you have to .
  Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: I have to .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: I'm not a designer . It's more {gap} three D_ . Like , um when you have a part here . This is the remote control . And then you have something like th this under it . So , it's easier to get it like this .
  User Interface: Mm .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} It's like a gun . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: A g {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So , it has to be soft ?
  Marketing: Mm . {gap} .
  Industrial Designer: And it has to be soft , yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay . And uh , the buttons ?
  Industrial Designer: So , you can squeeze in it and {disfmarker} Sorry ?
  Project Manager: Buttons .
  Industrial Designer: Buttons on top of it . And here . The scrolling . You can do it with your thumb .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} No , it won't .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: But but i that's the only scroll uh button on it then ?
  Industrial Designer: But now we use one scroll button and the other one is here . One till uh uh zero till nine .
  User Interface: Yeah , okay .
  Project Manager: But , well there one for the sound and one for the channels .
  User Interface: But but how {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: And the b
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah . How {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah ? Or two buttons .
  User Interface: Okay .
  Project Manager: Uh , two scroll uh wheels .
  Marketing: And i if we go to uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: If uh {disfmarker} 'Kay c If we do {disfmarker} If we use one , then we'll have just a switch on it , and you'll just switch it , and now it's the sound to switch back
  User Interface: Mm .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: That's th that's more difficult .
  Marketing: But if we have uh a me Yeah .
  Project Manager: It's better in {disfmarker}
  Marketing: If we have a menu , uh how do we uh choose other options ?
  Industrial Designer: with the menu uh button . And then you also can scroll uh scroll in it . Just not like all the other ones , with uh this thing , and uh here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Because uh , from h hundred uh {gap} remote controls , ninety nine have it .
  Project Manager: But if we don't have a L_C_D_ we don't have a menu .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Uh , then we have it on the T_V_ , the menu .
  Marketing: Uh-uh .
  Project Manager: Yeah , but {vocalsound} again maybe th How do we know the T_V_ can handle it ?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: You don't know . So , there's no menu .
  Industrial Designer: I don't know . It's like some sort of uh teletext option , but we don't have teletext . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No . So you can't use it .
  Industrial Designer: And if we put an L_C_D_ thing on it , then the costs will uh be much higher .
  Project Manager: Okay , we make two concepts . One with L_C_D_ . One without L_C_D_ .
  Industrial Designer: 'Kay . But you all like this kind of thing . Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Good concept . But {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: With the scroll button .
  Project Manager: That's one .
  Industrial Designer: And and this one has to be soft .
  Marketing: Uh-uh .
  Industrial Designer: And this has to be harder , because when it falls , it mu mu must not burst . Or some kind of rubber around it .
  User Interface: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: It's one . Two . Number two .
  User Interface: And you can and you can uh make the the power button as a trigger .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Like uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ah that's nice .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Here . Trigger . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No . {vocalsound} But when you handle it , you put it on and off .
  User Interface: Just to uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: It's not good to use .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , but {vocalsound} I'll zap .
  User Interface: Oh , like a {vocalsound} {gap}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Fuck . Out . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No , it's not good .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Now , second concept . One with L_C_D_ , one without L_C_D_ . Then uh {disfmarker} Paint it . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Paint it ?
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: With the scroll thing on , like this ?
  Project Manager: One with two scroll buttons and one with without . Yeah . Uh , one with a with a menu , and one without a menu .
  Industrial Designer: So ?
  Project Manager: And the one with with a menu has an L_C_D_ .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Draw it . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Unbelievable .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Do I have to do everything . Blank . You have {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Not so difficult .
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .
  User Interface: But if you put {disfmarker} push the the menu button {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Uh , that's the menu . There for the L_C_D_ screen .
  User Interface: Yeah , wh what {disfmarker} Yes , but you don't know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose .
  Project Manager: You have to {disfmarker} For the menu .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm . One that way . And one that way . So {disfmarker} Then it depends on the cost . S On and off .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: But is it easy to use ? When you have it on your left side , and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: When it's not too big . Just like a a phone .
  User Interface: Mm-hmm .
  Marketing: M uh yeah , maybe it's better if the uh scroll-wheels are um
  Industrial Designer: Separate , more separate , h yeah .
  Marketing: more separate , yeah .
  Project Manager: Yes , okay .
  Marketing: Like , you have the menu button in between uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . On the left a scroll button , and on the right a scroll button . But would it be easy to use then ? If it's like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have a big uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Very good . Is it better ? When you uh {gap} the menu , you have to go there there there there .
  Industrial Designer: I also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: They were like round curves , uh different uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah , okay . That's that's the outside . But now the {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Okay , okay , okay .
  Project Manager: First the buttons .
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
  Marketing: Think we have we have now two buttons missing . The uh um {disfmarker} The mute button .
  Project Manager: Sorry ?
  Marketing: We have two buttons missing . The mute button . And um , the {disfmarker} to to uh {disfmarker} have to uh {disfmarker} numbers
  Project Manager: Mute . And the other .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . Not so difficult .
  Marketing: {vocalsound} But , uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Personally , I think two scroll buttons uh aren't easy to handle .
  Project Manager: But how do you wanna solve it ?
  Industrial Designer: With the switch button .
  Project Manager: Yeah but on the menu that's not uh easy .
  Industrial Designer: No
  Project Manager: Then you go down , you switch , you go into the right , you switch , you go down .
  Industrial Designer: like uh {disfmarker} Oh , you mean like that .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Uh , then you can also have like uh th um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: A joystick .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , and joystick , I think .
  Project Manager: Yeah . But is it uh {disfmarker} Does that break , a joystick ? Or a small one just like in a laptop .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah like in a laptop , s uh s some sort of thing . A little bit bigger , with easier thi
  Project Manager: Mean , it's better . But how expensive it is ? {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: I don't know .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh . Why do I pay you for ? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um , well {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Better ideas . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: Or no scroll uh things . Just a shape . And {disfmarker} {gap} No , no . It won't work .
  Project Manager: For the young peoples I think scroll button's good .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh-huh .
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Think we have to keep them .
  Industrial Designer: Or a remote control more like joystick .
  Project Manager: Yeah , but is it {disfmarker} That's not expensive than uh {disfmarker} Joystick is better . A small one .
  Industrial Designer: A small one like this , like a Nintendo uh k
  Project Manager: No just like in a
  Industrial Designer: Playstation thing .
  Project Manager: a laptop . Small , round .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Then it's not so big .
  Industrial Designer: No , no , no . I mean the the shape of the remote control .
  Project Manager: Oh the sh Yeah , but then you can {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Just like a Playstation thing . Yeah .
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Maybe , if it's possible , {vocalsound} it's not too expensive , I think a joystick is better .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: A small one . So , please look at it .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No , that's okay , I got {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And on the L_C_D_ , how much it costs ? Uh , it costs extra ?
  Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they're not uh in details .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: It's more expensive or less expensive , huh ? {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah we {disfmarker} I think you get it . So , after this meeting you have half an hour to uh fix it .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} Then I have to come with it .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yes .
  Industrial Designer: I got my personal costs . I I don't I don't know the costs .
  Project Manager: Your problem . Not mine .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Then I'll uh make something up .
  Project Manager: Okay . So , do we have other concepts ? Then for the components , we use a normal battery . Then it's {disfmarker} Ch cheapest way , I think .
  User Interface: Mm , yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , or the or the kinetic uh with normal battery .
  Project Manager: No , no kinetic . Kinetic is uh ch makes it more expensive .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , I think it's uh , yeah , more expensive . Yeah .
  Project Manager: So we use a normal battery .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Okay .
  Marketing: Yes .
  Project Manager: Chip . Depends on the L_C_D_ .
  Industrial Designer: Depends on the scroll .
  Project Manager: Scroll .
  Industrial Designer: If we use a scroll , then we have the uh regular chip . If we don't use a scroll , then we can use the simple chip .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: And that's {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: And uh , we {disfmarker} If you use the L_C_D_ , we have to
  Industrial Designer: Uh the most expensive .
  Project Manager: Yes , okay .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: So , depends on the L_C_D_ and the scroll .
  Industrial Designer: If we {disfmarker} Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: If we {disfmarker} No okay scroll-wheel . So , I have this . So , it will be uh the advanced chip , or the uh regu uh or the regular chip .
  Project Manager: Okay . So , uh the shapes of the design depends on the L_C_D_ and {disfmarker} But , it has to be small . I think .
  Industrial Designer: Or shall we just put it on the pistol thing ? And then just put also on L_C_D_ on it ?
  Project Manager: If you have pistol , it {disfmarker} L_C_D_'s not easy . Y y {vocalsound} Yeah but {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Just use your thumb .
  Project Manager: If you use a phone .
  Industrial Designer: If you {disfmarker} Yeah . I use my thumb .
  Project Manager: {gap} k Yeah , but but then you have it . Like , th if you have pistol , you have it so . And the screen is {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Well , then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen .
  Industrial Designer: If you have a joystick on {disfmarker} No , if you have like uh an uh uh a ni a uh Playstation uh game controller .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: And you move up , f forward , down , left . Then you have uh just , yeah , a little bit curved . It's not just uh {vocalsound} straight .
  Project Manager: No . No , no .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's how we use it . That's why they make joysticks like that , I think .
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah , but then you look forward .
  Marketing: Uh , yeah , but {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: And then you can y
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah ?
  Project Manager: N well , if you have to look at it .
  Marketing: If you {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: 'Kay . Here's our designer .
  Marketing: If we have uh then something standing here , with the L_C_D_ .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Then it goes like this .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , why not .
  Project Manager: If th n well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: It's for the younger people .
  Project Manager: Yes , of course .
  Industrial Designer: It's something new . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: That's good good .
  User Interface: It's uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: But the {disfmarker} um , it may not break .
  Industrial Designer: Now we put uh rubber around it .
  Project Manager: Okay . If that's possible .
  Marketing: Um , Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Hard plastic , uh the shape , and around it hard uh around it rubber . And the uh the hand shape is also rubber .
  Marketing: {gap}
  Project Manager: Okay .
  User Interface: Or you can uh turn it inside .
  Marketing: {gap} I can't see the {gap} . But , uh the easy of {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: But that's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: uh , th the ease of use wasn't uh the most important uh aspect of it .
  Industrial Designer: Huh .
  User Interface: No , that's true .
  Marketing: Uh , for us it's about to sell it . Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah of course .
  Industrial Designer: This is something new .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Okay . Then this is the design . And the buttons are on the next page . So , depends on the cost . So ,
  Industrial Designer: Costs are okay . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} um we have one minute .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap} .
  Marketing: {vocalsound} One .
  Project Manager: I think . No .
  Marketing: No . You have more .
  Project Manager: More . Seven .
  Marketing: You have still ten .
  Project Manager: Next meeting . Thirty minutes . So hurry up .
  Industrial Designer: Oh , that's us together .
  Project Manager: You two stay here . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Paint it .
  User Interface: Okay .
  Project Manager: Now you have to .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: I think it's clear . Check your mail . So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Yes .
  Project Manager: It has to be ready in the next meeting . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Cookie .
  Marketing: What ? Okay .
  Project Manager: Next meeting is called the detailed design . So {disfmarker} Everyth everything has to be ready . Thanks for your attention . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: 'Kay .
  Marketing: See you at the next meeting .
  Industrial Designer: Bye bye .
input_prefix: What did Industrial Designer say about the customers' taste?
output: Industrial Designer said that the younger people fancied soft materials and primary colors. For example, total yellow or totally red could be visible. The shapes could be curved and round,which would be easier to use. It would be better to use the basic battery so everybody could get it at the supermarket, or to use a kinetic battery after shaking it a few times, it could be loaded. Industrial Designer suggested hard plastic material and rubber since the younger people liked that. The survey also discovered that the young favored a scroll push like the mouse to use for channels and volume.