input: User Interface: Hmm hmm hmm .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Are we {disfmarker} we're not allowed to dim the lights so people can see that a bit better ?
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay , that's fine . Am I supposed to be standing up there ? Okay .
  Marketing: So we've got both of these clipped on ? She gonna answer me or not ?
  Project Manager: Yeah , I've got {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Right , both of them , okay .
  Project Manager: Yes .
  Marketing: God .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Jesus , it's gonna fall off {gap} .
  User Interface: Okay . Yep , yep . {vocalsound} Okay . Tu tu tu tu
  Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Hello everybody .
  User Interface: Hi , good morning .
  Project Manager: Um I'm Sarah , the Project Manager and this is our first meeting , surprisingly enough . Okay , this is our agenda , um {vocalsound} we will do some stuff , get to know each other a bit better to feel more comfortable with each other . Um then we'll go do tool training , talk about the project plan , discuss our own ideas and everything um and we've got twenty five minutes to do that , as far as I can understand . Now , we're developing a remote control which you probably already know . Um , we want it to be original , something that's uh {disfmarker} people haven't thought of , that's not out in the shops , um , trendy , appealing to a wide market , but you know , not a hunk of metal , and user-friendly , grannies to kids , maybe even pooches should be able to use it . Okay , um , first is the functional design , um this is where we all go off and do our individual work , um what needs need to be fulfilled by the product , um what effects the product has to have and how it's actually going to do that . Um , conceptual design , what we're thinking , how it's gonna go and then the detailed design , how we're actually gonna put it into practice and make it work .
  User Interface: 'Kay .
  Project Manager: Okay , right . We're gonna practice with the pens and draw our favourite animal on the white board , I'll go first , and um sum up the characteristics of that animal .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Oops .
  Project Manager: Okay , I'll leave space for everyone else . Um {disfmarker} What's missing ? We're running out of blue . Okay . I'm not gonna ask you to guess , I'm going to tell you that's supposed to be a tiger .
  User Interface: Mm .
  Project Manager: And I see them as majestic , and independent , and proud .
  User Interface: Oh sorry . Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: Now , who would like to go next ?
  User Interface: Yeah , me .
  Project Manager: 'Kay .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {gap} Cat . Where did this come from ?
  Project Manager: Is that your lapel then ?
  User Interface: Uh , yep .
  Project Manager: There you go .
  User Interface: Thank you . Uh , maybe you can guess what I'm trying to make ?
  Marketing: A kind of dog ?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yep . It's actually sitting , so {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} It's sitting down .
  Marketing: Sorry ?
  User Interface: it's sitting , it's not standing .
  Marketing: Uh .
  User Interface: Okay , I see it as one thing it's very supportive . It's your best friend and your {disfmarker} you can talk to a dog , it can be your best friend , it doesn't discriminate between you , based on what you are . Second it's loyal and third thing it's got intuition . {gap} dogs can som sometimes can make out between a thief and a person
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  User Interface: so basically these are the three unique features I think belong to a dog .
  Project Manager: Okay , thank you .
  User Interface: Thank you .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah I'll have a go .
  User Interface: Okay . Sorry .
  Industrial Designer: Thanks .
  Marketing: Please , please leave me a space at the bottom , I'm little ,
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Alright , okay .
  Marketing: you can get to the top , with standing on a chair .
  Industrial Designer: Well since you guys have chosen the ones I wanted to do , I'll have to have to go for something a bit random .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Does it look like a dog actually ?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .
  Industrial Designer: And also , my drawing skill isn't that great so , yeah .
  Project Manager: Well , as you can see , the quality of the work today is um {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Mm .
  Marketing: I think it's outstandingly good . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Okay , now I'm gonna have to change what is was originally gonna be
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: because that looks like a beak now , so . {vocalsound} Yeah , it can be a crocodile , it can be a crocodile .
  Marketing: Crocodile ?
  Project Manager: Gonna be a bird . Is it gonna be {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well it was it was an {disfmarker} at first {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} it's gonna be a bird .
  Industrial Designer: firstly it was an attempt at a T_ Rex and then it sort of changed into a pelican
  Marketing: O
  Industrial Designer: but it can be a crocodile now actually {vocalsound} .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} That's lovely .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah and uh I'll have to think on the spot of uh things that it is . Um
  Marketing: Beauti that's {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: uh scary , uh strong , yeah that's about it I think {vocalsound} .
  Project Manager: Okay {vocalsound} it's fine .
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Um , I'm very impressed with your artistic skills ,
  Industrial Designer: Uh uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: mine's {disfmarker} are dreadful . Oops this is now coming apart , let me just put the top in .
  Industrial Designer: Wo {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I hope that clicks in , I'll just {disfmarker} I'll hold it on , okay .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oops , oh dear , what happened there ?
  Project Manager: Technical help .
  Industrial Designer: Hmm .
  Marketing: Hopefully that'll stay on , two-handed version .
  Industrial Designer: Okay .
  Marketing: Okay , uh {disfmarker} Again this is off the top of my head , I was gonna do a big cat too , um .
  Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Hmm .
  Marketing: Oh dear , it doesn't look what like what I want it to be {vocalsound} .
  Industrial Designer: S Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh .
  Industrial Designer: {gap}
  Marketing: It's not a vampire bat honestly {vocalsound} .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay , yeah .
  Marketing: Uh and somewhere there's a body behind .
  Industrial Designer: Okay , some sort of bird {vocalsound}
  Marketing: That's my dreadful {disfmarker} that's the worst yet , that's {disfmarker} it's meant to be an eagle {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: A seagu
  User Interface: Eagle , okay .
  Project Manager: right ,
  Industrial Designer: Ah eagle , right okay .
  Project Manager: not a seagull {vocalsound} .
  Marketing: you can tell it's a flying animal {vocalsound} could have been a seagull , I never thought of a seagull . An eagle , um again I'm thinking on my feet goodness . I suppose they're all so independent , I'd put that one down again . {vocalsound} Da dum um .
  Industrial Designer: They're good at golf .
  Marketing: Indepen independent , right , did you say they're good at golf ?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Eagle .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , no yeah ,
  Marketing: Are they ?
  Industrial Designer: an eagle .
  Marketing: Oh . Oh right , okay ,
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I'm not good at golf .
  Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I'd say they're quite free-spirited , flying around everywhere , doing their own thing . And uh , birds of prey aren't they ,
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
  Marketing: oh dear , intrepid . I'll put that , intrepid .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: There we go ,
  Project Manager: That's lovely .
  Marketing: hope that pen's gonna be okay .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Whoops .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Okay . That was fun , right . Um finance-wise , we've got a selling price at twenty five Euros , which I don't actually know what that is in Pounds , at all . Any ideas ?
  Industrial Designer: It's about {disfmarker}
  User Interface: One point four or something like that .
  Industrial Designer: mm , mm yeah .
  Marketing: Seventeen .
  User Interface: One point four Euro would make a Pound or something like that .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , something like that ,
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: so that {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: D fifteen ?
  Industrial Designer: yeah about seventeen , seventeen Pounds , something like that .
  Project Manager: Seventeen .
  Marketing: Seventeen Pounds .
  Project Manager: Okay , that's expensive .
  Marketing: Should we be making notes of this ? We can just refer to this later can't we ?
  Project Manager: I think so , I think so ,
  Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I'll be able to um pull it up ,
  Marketing: Yeah , okay .
  Project Manager: or I could put it in the shared folder or something .
  Industrial Designer: Havi having said that though , if you wanna get one of those {disfmarker} the the ones on the market at the moment they're s they're about twenty pounds anyway .
  Marketing: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: So , it'd still be {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Really ?
  Marketing: Right .
  Industrial Designer: yeah , we had to buy one {vocalsound} .
  Marketing: So
  Project Manager: Mm . I think {disfmarker}
  Marketing: so I suppose later it depends if we want to undercut the price , we d or or is it going to make our product look a cheapie-cheapie option ?
  Project Manager: Yeah , um production cost's at twelve fifty , so
  Industrial Designer: Hmm .
  User Interface: Okay , pretty huge margin .
  Project Manager: half of the selling price is taken up by building it .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: Um , and profit aim is fifty million Euros ,
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: which is uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: In our first year ?
  Project Manager: Yi yes , um yeah , I presume so . Um {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  User Interface: So then {disfmarker}
  Marketing: You've got market range international and you did say earlier it's got to be a {disfmarker} um accessible and usable by sort of all age groups
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
  Marketing: just t we're not focusing on business market , any particular thing , it's everyone
  Project Manager: No , yeah .
  Marketing: {disfmarker} user-friendly to everyone . Okay .
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Big target group {vocalsound} .
  Project Manager: yes , yes , I don't think we have to {disfmarker} I don't think it's a case of worrying about different languages and things like that , um making that a key point ,
  Marketing: No .
  Project Manager: just that it's going to be in the international market like Australia , America , things like that .
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: Okay . What are your experiences with remote controls ? I mean I've got {disfmarker} we got um {disfmarker} we had three videos , a T_V_ and a sort of amp thing all set up
  User Interface: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: so we got one of the universal remote controls , um that you programme each of your things into ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: Alright .
  User Interface: that c
  Project Manager: but that kept losing the signals so we'd have to re-programme it every now and again . I think it was quite a cheapie as well , so that might have had something to do with it ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah uh .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: but that was quite good , the fact that you could {disfmarker} You didn't have six remote controls sitting in front of you .
  Industrial Designer: Use all the ones at the same time .
  Marketing: Right .
  User Interface: Okay , you wanna integrate everything into one like {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
  User Interface: Okay .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Industrial Designer: 'cause you {disfmarker}
  Marketing: My experience has only been being given the remote control with the object I buy , not doing any tampering with it and programming , using it to programme T_V_ and uh uh videos and things . But basically on , off , volume up and down , channel one , two , th that basic functions ,
  Project Manager: Mm .
  Marketing: I don't think I could go any further with it than that , so , I suppose it's got to be something usable by someone like me as well .
  Project Manager: Yeah , the main {disfmarker} that's the main stuff anyway , I mean
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: {disfmarker} and you don't want to {disfmarker} I hate I hate looking at a control and seeing a million tiny little buttons with tiny little words saying what they all do
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: and just sitting there searching for the teletext button or something like that .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: Mm . And symbols that you don't necessarily understand ,
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: symbols you're meant to understand that you don't .
  User Interface: So simplification of symbols you could think of .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um . When they're {disfmarker} when you've got the main things on the front of it and a section opens up or something to the other functions where you can do sound or options kind of recording , things like that inside it .
  Marketing: Oh yeah . Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: 'Cause it doesn't make {disfmarker} when you pick it up it doesn't make it really complicated to look at ,
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: it's obvious what you're doing , um .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Industrial Designer: Mm .
  Marketing: Actually that just raises a point , I wonder what our design people think , but you know on a mobile phone , you can press a key and it gives you a menu , it's got a menu display ,
  User Interface: Mm-hmm . Menu , alright .
  Marketing: I wonder if incorporating that into the design of a remote control might be useful ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  User Interface: Uh uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: so you've got a little L_C_D_ display .
  User Interface: Right , I was thinking on the same lines you , instead of having too many b buttons and make it complicated for the user , may h maybe have an L_C_D_ di display or something like that , like a mobile , yeah and with menus .
  Marketing: With menus , yeah , yeah .
  User Interface: And if it's s somewhat similar to what you have on mobile phone , people might find it easier to browse and navigate also maybe .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: What about the older generation ? What about granny and grandads ?
  User Interface: {vocalsound} You mean to save it lesser number .
  Project Manager: Um , my grandad can answer his mobile phone , but he couldn't even dream of texting or something like that .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Can he programme his remote control or is it basic with that too ?
  User Interface: Right .
  Project Manager: I don't think they tape things ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , my grandad's actually better than me at using teletext , so {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: I don't think they use {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Right . Right . So that's a problem regardless of of any design modifications you you come up with ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: that's gonna be a problem anyway with the older generation perhaps ,
  Project Manager: Mm , yeah , the age gap .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , what it just needs to be {disfmarker} as long as it's sort of self-intuitive and you can can work out what everything's doing , 'cause I mean , menus on sort of new phones now they've sort of got all these pictures and stuff which makes it fairly obvious what you're trying to do .
  Project Manager: Mm .
  User Interface: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: I don't know , I d
  Industrial Designer: But I don't know how {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I don't like the , you know the new phones that have kind of got a Windows-based running system .
  Industrial Designer: Oh yeah .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: I find it really confusing , I kept getting lost {vocalsound} in the phone , I di I've not got a new one but uh my friend got a new one
  Marketing: Right .
  Project Manager: and I was trying to do things with it and I just kept getting lost , but that's just me .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , I don't I don't know how for twenty fi , or twelve Euros fifty how much of a excellent screen you could get ,
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: you'd you'd have to sort of keep it down to a black and white L_C_D_ thing anyway , I'd assume .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm . Is it possible that that for the older generation you could have like an extra button that you press for large print like you do in large print books ?
  User Interface: Okay .
  Project Manager: Teletext has got that option as well .
  Marketing: Obviously it displays less on the screen , it displays less on the screen but as long as they can read it that's the main thing .
  Project Manager: Yeah . Or what about kind of a dual function ? In that you've got the basic buttons just for your play , volume , programme things
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: and also {disfmarker} and then a menu to go into with obvious pictures , obvious symbols and that's where you control recording and things like that .
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Mm-hmm . Mm . The other thing is , just ch chucking into mobile phone f design features again , it could have a flip top remote control so that when you flip over the top , your screen is {disfmarker} you can have a bigger screen in the the flip over .
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
  User Interface: Mm , okay . S
  Project Manager: I think that's a cost thing , I don't I don't know how much we're gonna know about {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Y
  User Interface: It might
  Marketing: Yeah ?
  User Interface: it might save a b bit of space , it's i instead of looking bulky , it might look small .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: Yes , no that's important .
  User Interface: But it might have its cost implications .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah , like smaller .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Marketing: And there's no reason we need to make it look as fashionable and stylish as a mobile phone , it can still be lightweight plastic , you know ?
  Project Manager: Mm .
  User Interface: Right .
  Marketing: Something that's easily moulded and produced .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: Sorry I'm treading on your territory guys . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um , right , okay
  Industrial Designer: No uh uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: we've got half an hour before the next meeting , so we're all gonna go off and do our individual things . Um I think that's probably about it and then we'll come back and liaise again and I get to do another fantastic PowerPoint presentation .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . Just just a quick thing about the um {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Sure .
  Industrial Designer: about what you're saying about the uh {disfmarker} does does it need to be fashionable ? The sort of {disfmarker} I I had a quick look at the company website and it's like the the uh {disfmarker} we put the fashion into electronics , so I think think the whole design thing might be qui
  Marketing: Ah right .
  User Interface: Okay .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Marketing: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: I mean you don't {disfmarker} you you can still have plastic
  Marketing: Sure b y yeah .
  Industrial Designer: and it'd look quite good but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But {disfmarker} yeah , I mean it doesn't have to be that , you know {vocalsound} th that was my main point ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: we don't have to use metal , I don't know if using plastic does make it cheaper ,
  Project Manager: Mm .
  Marketing: I presume it would .
  Project Manager: I would {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: it would probably . I mean there's Sky remote controls and everything . They're kind of moulded and look a bit different , and the Telewest remote controls are silver plastic , which looks a bit smarter ,
  Marketing: Right .
  Project Manager: so yeah I guess that's stuff we can think about .
  Marketing: Okay .
  Project Manager: Okay , so let's break it up there . Okay ?
  Industrial Designer: Okay .
  Marketing: 'Kay .
  Project Manager: So , see you in half an hour .
  Marketing: Do we go back to our room ? Yep ?
  User Interface: Mm , yeah .
  Project Manager: I think so , yeah .
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