input: Project Manager: Hi everyone , hope you had a nice lunch . Um {vocalsound} .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Alright we're moving on to conceptual design .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} 'Scuse me . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Bless you .
  Project Manager: Um , I'll just review what we did in our last meeting . Um , {vocalsound} under marketing we targeted our audience , and {disfmarker} Um , yeah . That was {vocalsound} generally {vocalsound} {disfmarker} how helpful that was .
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um , then we considered some design options with how it should look , um , we discussed an iPod-like button system which , uh , we haven't concluded but we're {disfmarker} Right , um {disfmarker} So , if you all have presentations to do , we can see what {disfmarker} where you've come from our last time . Does everyone have presentations ?
  Industrial Designer: Hmm .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: Yes .
  User Interface: Yes .
  Project Manager: Would anybody like to go first ?
  Industrial Designer: Sure .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: So I've been looking at the components design . Um . Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting . Um , so we need some custom design parts , and other parts we'll just use standard . Um , I assume we'll be custom designing our case , probably a hard plastic or some other material case , to protect the remote and the locator . And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board , because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time . But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out . Um , standard parts include the buttons and the wheels , um the iPod-style wheel . The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it . Um , we need a radio sender and receiver , those are standard . And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote . So we have some material options . Um , we can use rubber , plastic , wood or titanium . Um , I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy . Um , and the rubber case requires rubber buttons , so if we definitely want plastic buttons , we shouldn't have a rubber case .
  Project Manager: And why not wood ?
  Industrial Designer: And ,
  Project Manager: And why not wood ? {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: hmm ? {vocalsound} Uh , well we can use wood . {vocalsound} I don't know why we'd want to . Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button , it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip . We can't use the minimal chip , we need the next higher grade , which is called regular . I don't think it's much more expensive , but it is more expensive . So that's what I've got on design .
  Project Manager: 'S good .
  Marketing: Um , can I do next ? 'Cause I have to say something about the material
  Project Manager: Hmm .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: which is quite shocking .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Ha . Mm . Right , um , I have been searching the current trends , um , both on the web and via fashion-watchers , and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh , fancy look and feel . Um . Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that . And th last thing is the easy to use um factor . Um , fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing , but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use . Um , our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided , well noticed , that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the {vocalsound} is the current trend
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want , you know , wh whatever our motto is . Um . For fashion , we go for fashion .
  Project Manager: Mm .
  Marketing: The fashion in electronics . So we want to put the fashion electronics , we need to go fruit and vegetables . And also go for a spongy feel , so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer . As to the material should be limited to {disfmarker} I don't know how spongy it can be , should discuss this together , I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go . Um . I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables ,
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: but that's just a personal opinion .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I think
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed , so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff , or should the actual remote look like a fruit ?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Um , and finally again with the spongy . It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find {disfmarker} come up with a solution that's better than mine . Um , yeah , to summarise these are the points that need to be um , touched in order to get a good decision , and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter .
  User Interface: Mm-hmm .
  Marketing: Thank you for your attention .
  User Interface: So .
  Project Manager: I think it's the next {disfmarker} it's the blue one , yeah .
  User Interface: Oh , uh , there we go . {vocalsound} Uh . Okay . Um . Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} I actually wasn't aware of the {vocalsound} new trends in electronics
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: and and uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Neither was I . Well it's a trend in fashion , in clothing and um {vocalsound} fabrics . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control . {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So so okay , let me get this right . Okay , uh {disfmarker} Okay , alright anyway . Um {vocalsound} here we go . Conceptual User Interface . Trying {disfmarker} we're gonna try to talk about , um {vocalsound} what kind of uh {disfmarker} how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control , based on fruit vegetable design .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: And , um , basically , so , this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system . {vocalsound} Uh , so people are going to be looking at this little screen . Um , kind of {disfmarker} I mean I assume , are we still on the screen idea ?
  Project Manager: Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time .
  User Interface: 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this {disfmarker} it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um {vocalsound} the wheel
  Project Manager: You need a screen for it ?
  User Interface: you {disfmarker} it seems like you would need a screen .
  Industrial Designer: You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song , like you know that band or whatever . With T_V_ channels it's , you know , one two three . So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: But like if you think about it {disfmarker} yeah but if {disfmarker} so is it just {disfmarker} okay . So , b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that , aren't you ?
  Project Manager: We're , um , we're actually not having D_V_D_ ,
  User Interface: Are we {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: that was one of th I I was {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  User Interface: Okay .
  Project Manager: sorry ,
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: I I meant to update you on that . Um .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Alright . Okay .
  Marketing: But the screen can come up on the telly , the {disfmarker} she said .
  User Interface: Okay . Okay .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Marketing: That correct ?
  User Interface: So anyway if {disfmarker} well we just {disfmarker} we need to {disfmarker} Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker} I was thinking {disfmarker} okay . So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then ? And you're just gonna {disfmarker} I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a {disfmarker} right .
  Marketing: Graphical interface ?
  User Interface: Yeah like you're g
  Marketing: Uh on the {disfmarker} you can have it on the telly though .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can {disfmarker} okay we're not choosing that , I guess . But like choose channel control , like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like , um , you know , channels one two three four five six seven eight nine .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: So that {disfmarker} {gap} {disfmarker} people seems to be {disfmarker} well {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: You've {disfmarker} Yeah , I know what you're saying , you have to {disfmarker}
  User Interface: You know . But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels . So um {vocalsound} I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because {disfmarker} So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if {disfmarker} or or {disfmarker} then again if you just {disfmarker} I guess {disfmarker} I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_ like what channel you're on .
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  User Interface: You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: But but imagine someone with s
  Industrial Designer: My flatmates actually had one with a wheel , and it it did show up on the T_V_ .
  User Interface: I oh yeah ?
  Project Manager: But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels . Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: 'Cause you'll have to like {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: They have to r wheel really fast .
  User Interface: but you can quickly s you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels ,
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
  Industrial Designer: at least on theirs .
  User Interface: Yeah if you do , it w so it would have to be {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of , you know , range we need to have on the wheel , and um {disfmarker} So you're either {disfmarker} you're {disfmarker} you know , th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that , you know , you can like tap for , um , different
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: uh , whatchamacallits , different um , you know , functions like volume or , like you can tap just to get to different channels . Like if you just wanted to go to like {disfmarker} from five to six you could tap or someth
  Project Manager: Right .
  User Interface: And then there's also the concern about you know um {vocalsound} how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television , or if you want to um {vocalsound} you know switch around , I don't know , like , these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that ,
  Project Manager: Yeah I mean with that many options , you'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} I'd think that the screen would be better ,
  User Interface: like {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: because you could have that menu option , sort of {disfmarker}
  User Interface: I would think so too , like {disfmarker} So I mean {disfmarker} and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it , you know , because {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: but then again it would {disfmarker} it does make kind of {disfmarker} if the screen's sort of just like an option that , like , is just there and you're not really using it , that's kind of {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: It's more expensive according to the design people .
  User Interface: m yeah .
  Project Manager: Uh . {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah , that's the only thing though .
  Industrial Designer: You have to get a {disfmarker} an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in , which is more expensive than the regular chip , which is more expensive than the minimal .
  User Interface: Yeah . So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing , um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Mm .
  User Interface: {vocalsound} You can get to {disfmarker} you know , you can {disfmarker} Like maybe it'll be that central button that , like , then you hit that and then you can {disfmarker} it brings up like the menu on the T_V_
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: Mm .
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: and you can just scroll around , like , to do the timer , to do the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: So the T_V_ is the screen , that {disfmarker} yeah
  User Interface: yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: So it would have all these different options of changing
  User Interface: Yeah . But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up .
  Project Manager: to {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Look it even has settings .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  User Interface: Hmm ?
  Marketing: On the {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} you can just take theirs and just {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah , well we don't want the screen I guess ,
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: but um {disfmarker} 'cause that just {disfmarker} it does seem like , it {disfmarker} that would be , like , incredibly expensive , but {disfmarker} I dunno , and then {disfmarker} so , it just im really all you need is , like , this little wheel then , and you can control everything .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Um , right . What if {disfmarker} I mean , if you're thinking of the design of it now , like the a you know , physical attributes ,
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: um , and you just have this , it's like just a long silver thing ,
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: or whatever we're thinking . I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing ? Or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_ .
  Project Manager: Yeah . So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before . I mean {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah . Yeah definitely .
  Project Manager: okay .
  User Interface: Like , I think we're looking at something that could be , like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: I mean it it needs to be easy to {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah but should be comfortable .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: I mean how do how do {disfmarker} I'm not really {disfmarker} Like when I use an iPod , I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it . So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah , I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb , yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . Or your thumb or something . So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah I use it like that .
  Industrial Designer: W when we had the wheely remote control , we {disfmarker} it was on the top I think , if you held it like that .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: But , were there buttons on there as well ?
  User Interface: Yeah , so {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do .
  Project Manager: Mm . Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: So we just used the top part .
  User Interface: Mm yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah , so {disfmarker} but I mean I think it could be pretty small .
  Marketing: Uh .
  User Interface: Like , I d I mean , you you want it to be large enough that you can {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: What if , um , you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much ? Like you {disfmarker} so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that ? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it .
  User Interface: But can't you just get {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Do {disfmarker} do you know what I'm talking about though ? Like , uh , yeah just something {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of {disfmarker}
  User Interface: K
  Marketing: Well you can have it on the settings ,
  Project Manager: Yeah , that you can flip over , yeah , yeah .
  Marketing: no ?
  User Interface: Yeah , But , I mean , do you need that ? If if you can get to , you know {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen .
  Project Manager: Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: is is {disfmarker} if w I {disfmarker}
  User Interface: That keeps it
  Project Manager: if we can do this , that'd probably be {disfmarker}
  User Interface: really {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh you wouldn't {disfmarker} I don't {disfmarker} I just don't think you would even need it .
  Project Manager: Yeah , yeah .
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: So I guess we have to look into the , um , like , the programming , how this {disfmarker} how they actually programme these things , and if that's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Mean {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Oh how they make the menu show up on the T_V_ ?
  Project Manager: yeah . I mean it {disfmarker} would y would {disfmarker} that would be {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I don't know .
  User Interface: I mean you can do it ,
  Marketing: They already do it .
  Industrial Designer: I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T_V_ , not inside the remote .
  User Interface: you {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} it doesn't seem that hard . I mean I've never bought a remote .
  Industrial Designer: I'm not sure .
  User Interface: It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television ,
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Well they usually are .
  User Interface: which is a little {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Well {disfmarker}
  User Interface: My {disfmarker} I've never bought just a remote , like , so I don't I don't really know .
  Marketing: No .
  Project Manager: Huh .
  User Interface: But um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I guess that's right . It always comes with the T_V_ . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So , um {disfmarker} but I mean it's {disfmarker} I've never had a hard time with like my remotes , like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever , you know . And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah , it {disfmarker} most of the ones we've had have had the menu button , 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something . 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something .
  User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Well so {disfmarker} So , do we need {disfmarker} I dunno . Well I guess we have to you know think about {disfmarker} But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up .
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: That's what it does anyway .
  Marketing: But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out , because the problem with buttons is you {disfmarker} like , they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand ,
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah ,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: you don't know they mean , yeah , it's like {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: and I never get it .
  Project Manager: yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Never ever .
  User Interface: So , but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: oh , you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen ?
  Marketing: Well on the telly .
  Industrial Designer: Or on the T_V_ too .
  User Interface: On the telly , okay , yeah . So yeah I think , I mean , I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those {disfmarker} like okay now I hit this {disfmarker} you know , you have your little guide out and you're like , hit this button twice , like to activate the date .
  Project Manager: Mm . And it is technologically innovative in a way ,
  Marketing: Mm .
  Project Manager: so that fits with the {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah . I guess . And it is trendy , the iPods are {vocalsound} really hot right now , so {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: B Yeah .
  Marketing: Did you did you get that pc picture on {disfmarker} did they provide you with that picture on the web ?
  User Interface: Um , yeah , by web research , yeah , so {disfmarker}
  Marketing: That's quite interesting . What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading ? {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Oh god . {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , I was gonna say .
  User Interface: Oh .
  Industrial Designer: You said uh people want spongy .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um , one of your {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's {gap} in like those stress ball things . So , that would be spongy .
  User Interface: Oh , okay , that would be cool .
  Project Manager: Ah .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Just nice feel , but I hate spongy .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah , c that's e that would be kind of {disfmarker} oh , you know , usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type , you know , thing .
  Project Manager: Yeah . I mean definitely the area round it .
  User Interface: But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: so you're like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah I think it could work .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Or what if we integrated the {vocalsound} the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: we somehow made it tactilely fash you know , we c tapped into that , so like it feels like
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana .
  User Interface: a vegetable . {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Well it could be like mobiles that just {disfmarker} you just put a cover .
  Project Manager: An orange . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .
  Marketing: If it's a small thing , you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana ,
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: which frankly I'm not particularly fond of ,
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: You know you had {disfmarker} there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles .
  Industrial Designer: You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit , apple machine and they have like the blueberry , like all the colours are named after fruits .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah . You could name it after fruits and vegetables , or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: And it could {disfmarker} the colour can fit your sitting room ,
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry , and then if you have a green one you can have {disfmarker} well I don't know . Um .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: So what if {disfmarker} what
  User Interface: So I think {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {disfmarker} this is {disfmarker}
  User Interface: yeah , colours .
  Project Manager: I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking . If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand , so like what you're feeling is comfortable , and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Is that kind of {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: I {disfmarker} 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: I do I dunno . Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just {disfmarker} the feedback we've just got about the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Maybe a ball .
  Project Manager: A ball ?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Know , a squashy ball .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} A relaxing squashy ball . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That you can p
  User Interface: That's in the shape of a fruit , like a {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: well I {disfmarker} see you're thinking , it's weird , you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: and I'm thinking how do you change the hard {disfmarker} would you put a um sticker sort of ? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit , like a {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: This is just {disfmarker} Okay . Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit . Squashy .
  Marketing: Oh , okay , yeah . Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: That {disfmarker} see I was thinking this s
  Marketing: Which is cheaper .
  Project Manager: sorry {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually .
  Project Manager: I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing .
  Industrial Designer: Oh . Mm .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: And like this {disfmarker} you could have like you could have like cherries and {vocalsound} things around there .
  User Interface: Oh I like that shape .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um but {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I was thinking sort of a single ball shape .
  Project Manager: I was thinking if it was like this {disfmarker}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .
  Industrial Designer: So you're holding a squishy ball
  Project Manager: 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: and then it has a {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .
  User Interface: It's like it has to be s
  Project Manager: It's almost like your thumb is farther up ,
  User Interface: yeah {vocalsound} .
  Project Manager: so if if you could squish it lower then {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah I guess so .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah . So it wouldn't be very big in either {disfmarker} like how big ? This big , and then you just do that , I suppose .
  Project Manager: Yeah , I know what you meant , yeah .
  User Interface: What if , yeah , what if the squishy , oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable , and you can {disfmarker} so so maybe one you know {disfmarker} you can have like the broccoli squishy thing , and then you could have like the banana squishy thing {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: and you could get {disfmarker} you could have your choice , you know ?
  Marketing: Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy , like a a cover .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: But {disfmarker} well the question is , which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that ,
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that ,
  User Interface: Yeah , yeah .
  Project Manager: Mm .
  Marketing: and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is ,
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Marketing: No .
  User Interface: Oh .
  Marketing: Um . That's nicer . I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Hmm . Well that's not very neat , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Um .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah . I mean I think uh {disfmarker} and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely {disfmarker} So you could make that into the fruit and vegetable part .
  Marketing: If it's a bit like those juggling balls , you can change shape according to your {disfmarker} to the way you hold it .
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah you could squish it .
  Marketing: If it's got sand in it maybe , or something , you {disfmarker} it it just moulds to your hand .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah . So where are the fruit and vegetables now ?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front , or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath .
  User Interface: Fruits and veg .
  Marketing: We we don't know . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Yeah .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: And the rest is the company {disfmarker} the company colour's silver ?
  Project Manager: It was , yeah , silver and yellow . It l it looks like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I don't {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: We could promote the banana one .
  Marketing: Okay .
  Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Like {disfmarker} mm .
  Project Manager: I mean that's another question , where are we gonna {disfmarker} we we should have the logo somewhere on it .
  User Interface: Mm .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm . Should also fit the batteries , which we haven't {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Industrial Designer: I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic case .
  User Interface: Oh yeah .
  Project Manager: Yeah , th and that would {disfmarker} that {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: Especially if you're switching out the squishy part . Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off .
  Marketing: Mm-hmm .
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
  User Interface: Yeah , I think , um it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit . The part that you , yeah , can change into the different , you know , trendy vegetables and fruits .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: But uh it {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Well I dunno . You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand . Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again .
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: No but it does it automatically .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Does it automatically ?
  User Interface: Yeah .
  Marketing: I don't know .
  Project Manager: I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} But if someone {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Okay .
  Project Manager: components concept . Question mark . Energy . Question mark .
  Industrial Designer: That was me .
  Project Manager: Was that you ?
  Industrial Designer: Yes .
  Project Manager: Okay . Oh right right . Yeah . Um , so what d but what do we know about energy ? I mean we're gonna use batteries right ? And {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Uh we actually had an option of batteries , solar power , and um a dynamo ,
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: which is something I don't know what it is . Something to do with torches .
  Marketing: Oh , a dynamo is {disfmarker} ah , {vocalsound} it's a bicycle . It's a bicycle mechanism . It's the en it's like if if something moves , when it moves , it stores energy .
  Industrial Designer: Oh okay . Yeah , the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself .
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: So I sort of picked battery .
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: It's quite sweet .
  Industrial Designer: We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power . Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways .
  Project Manager: I think batteries sound good .
  Industrial Designer: It {vocalsound} it seems a little weird for a living room anyways .
  Project Manager: What does everyone else think ? {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} The dynamo would be interesting {vocalsound} .
  Marketing: No . But dynamo {disfmarker} the the fact with dynamo is , the moment you move it , it c it {vocalsound} creates energy on its own .
  Project Manager: What about Kryptonite ? {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh .
  Marketing: Which is quite cool . So if you throw it , it's gonna store loads of energy , and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying . But we need to find cost .
  Project Manager: Yeah .
  Marketing: Don't know the cost .
  Industrial Designer: Didn't have enough data to actually {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Does anyone have costs on the on the web ?
  Industrial Designer: All it said was it gave sort of relative , some chips are more expensive than others , sort of things . It didn't give me any actual cost .
  Marketing: Okay . Right .
  User Interface: Hmm .
  Marketing: Mm .
  Industrial Designer: Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk . So I don't think it's that much of a problem . Like the chip is probably the most expensive part .
  Project Manager: What does chip on print mean ?
  Industrial Designer: Um , for things like remote controls , um , they stamp out a chip ,
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Uh-huh .
  Industrial Designer: calculators too I think . Um , so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap .
  Project Manager: Okay .
  Industrial Designer: But it's not like a computer , you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls , it's like stamped onto the chip .
  Project Manager: Right . So , chip on print is just {disfmarker} means like that they're mass-produced .
  Industrial Designer: Yeah .
  Project Manager: Okay . And case ? Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about ,
  Industrial Designer: Case is what we were discussing yeah .
  Project Manager: yeah . Casing . Yeah . {gap} thinking of like syntactic case and thi
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: um {vocalsound} let's see . Is there anything else we need to
  User Interface: Hmm .
  Project Manager: talk about ? Oh when we move on , you two are going to be playing with play-dough .
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um , and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design . And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation . So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach .
  Marketing: Oh , thank you . {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Mm .
  User Interface: Cool .
  Project Manager: See you soon . Does it matter that I end early ?
  Marketing: I {disfmarker} it's strange because {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: How how early is it ? I didn't get a pop-up thing that said {disfmarker}
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