Joseph Klausner and Bernhard Pick , both of whom believed that the Talmud gives insight into Jesus as a historical individual , were born in 1922 and 1887 respectively .
Other scholars , such as Joseph Klausner and Bernhard Pick , believe the Talmud gives insight into Jesus as a historical individual. < ref > Theissen p 75 : : '' [ some authors conclude that the Talmud 's passages ] have no independent historical value .
Jesus in the Talmud