Rito de Passagem: programando
Autor: andre uebe | Publicado: 2009-06-11T21:31:00-07:00

PessoalA conversa abaixo foi a revelação, o Rito de Passagem!  Entendí como se programa objetos.Meus sinceros agradecimentos a Maria Korolov de Boston![]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Conectando à conversa de Voz no mundo[]  Conectado[]  Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Wright%20Plaza/126/129/22[]  Voz não disponível na sua localização atual[]  Maria Korolov está Online[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ty Maria[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I cant see you[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I see you now! :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: nice to meet you :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I really would like to change my body LOL[]  Maria Korolov: hello[]  Maria Korolov: ok... let's see wat i've got...[]  Maria Korolov: hmm.... i think i gave them all away...[]  Maria Korolov: i used to have lots[]  Maria Korolov: oh well... go to build -- at the bottom -- then create at the top - then New body parts -- new shape[]  Maria Korolov: and you can create a new male shape[]  Maria Korolov gave you CJ20 Mens Madcap Jeans - by Launa.[]  Maria Korolov gave you !RETRODAN: Mens Tan Shirt.[]  Maria Korolov gave you CJ02 cuffed jeans pants.[]  Maria Korolov gave you !RETRODAN: B&amp;W Sneakers (box).[]  Maria Korolov: okay, so watch me build an assembly line...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Sorry[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Tehre was a gray box over dialog line[]  Maria Korolov: you can click chat -- the history[]  Maria Korolov: to see everything that was said earlier[]  Tartafeu Alecto: only now I got to open a dialog box and can see what you where telling here[]  Maria Korolov: i said, come watch me build an assembly line...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: chair[]  Maria Korolov: ah, lets make them stand...[]  Maria Korolov: so, first, the first student makes a box...[]  Maria Korolov: here...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: hm[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: hands it to the next student[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Maria Korolov: this student stretches is to the right size[]  Maria Korolov: gives it to the next stduent[]  Maria Korolov: the next student paints it[]  Tartafeu Alecto: colored[]  Maria Korolov: gives it to the next student[]  Maria Korolov: this student puts a handle on it[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Maria Korolov: this might actually be a few diferent steps![]  Tartafeu Alecto: no problem :)[]  Maria Korolov: and glue the two together[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But did you create dis shapes now or you had at your inventory?[]  Maria Korolov: there you go![]  Maria Korolov: i am creating everything from scratch[]  Tartafeu Alecto: me?[]  Maria Korolov: you wan tot try?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I would but...[]  Maria Korolov: click on build... bottom of screen[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I dont know if I know[]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Maria Korolov: then on the magic arrow at the top[]  Maria Korolov: then pick a shape and click on the surface of the assempbly line[]  Maria Korolov: poitn and click[]  Shortdog Philbin: or right click anywhere and select build[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I am editing object now. isnt it?[]  Maria Korolov: short: shhh! that's lesson two![]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: or you can edit that object, sure[]  Shortdog Philbin: hehehe sorry[]  Maria Korolov: but try making a new one.[]  Maria Korolov: click on build[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: then on the magic arrow icon[]  Maria Korolov: then pick a shape[]  Tartafeu Alecto: when I right click there is only edit option[]  Maria Korolov: and click on the surface of this table[]  Tartafeu Alecto: for me[]  Maria Korolov: i just made that ball[]  Maria Korolov: three clicks[]  Maria Korolov: build -- magic arrow- sphere- table[]  Maria Korolov: okay, four clicks[]  Maria Korolov: the magic arrow is at the top o the screen, next to the tank[]  Maria Korolov: magic wand actually[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok found it[]  Maria Korolov: ta da!!!![]  Maria Korolov: you made a ball![]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Maria Korolov: now you can be the first student in the assembly line![]  Maria Korolov: and it took about 30 second to learn how to do it[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ty :)[]  Maria Korolov: having fun?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Shortdog Philbin: got to be carefull moving things[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But[]  Maria Korolov: you can build a house like this... makie the walls out of cubes[]  Maria Korolov: paint it...[]  Maria Korolov: then move in :-)[]  Shortdog Philbin: they can slip right out of the region someimes[]  Maria Korolov: yes, they can[]  Maria Korolov: and on a real assembly line, workers can drop things adn break them[]  Shortdog Philbin: indeed[]  Maria Korolov: or throw them too far[]  Maria Korolov: or too hard[]  Maria Korolov: but after you make 2-3 things, you get into the habit of it[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I saw in SL some objects that had interaction posibilities[]  Maria Korolov: adn the motions get very repetitive[]  Maria Korolov: yes, you can have objects that do stuff[]  Maria Korolov: but for an asembly line, you don't need them[]  Shortdog Philbin: scripts do the tricks there[]  Maria Korolov: the same scripts can work here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But how could I create these interactions. Like example: The tree over there[]  Maria Korolov: but when i need a script, i just go online, get one, and paste it on the object[]  Maria Korolov: that's it[]  Maria Korolov: i drag-and-drop it right on the sphere or the cube[]  Maria Korolov: and the script just works[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Could I create a "script" that when a people touch the tree a apple fail[]  Maria Korolov: yes you can[]  Maria Korolov: or you coudl just put apples in the tre and people can just take them[]  Maria Korolov: wit no scripts[]  Tartafeu Alecto: really?[]  Maria Korolov: there's an apple[]  Tartafeu Alecto sussurra: it is real fantastic :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Maria Korolov: in the tree[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: now you can click on it and take it[]  Maria Korolov: hold on. i'll set it so that it automaticlaly goes to you when you take it[]  Maria Korolov: click on it[]  Maria Korolov: its'a n edit setting[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I can take the apple but it wont be an automactic ...[]  Maria Korolov: no scripts[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok i did[]  Tartafeu Alecto: now?[]  Maria Korolov: ok, click on it now[]  Maria Korolov: nothing?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I clicked on apple and went in edit mode[]  Maria Korolov: just left click[]  Maria Korolov: not right click[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: it will give you the chance to buy the apple for $0[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Tartafeu Alecto: bought it[]  Maria Korolov: so it's a capitalist tree[]  Maria Korolov: now you have the apple in your iventory[]  Maria Korolov: i shoudl probably change the name to "apple"[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Maria Korolov: ok, i edited it and changed the name to apple[]  Maria Korolov: and now i bought the apple[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But how could I do to apple change of color or felt from tree when I click with[]  Tartafeu Alecto: left buttom>?[]  Maria Korolov: if you want it to change color or fall from a tree, then you have to have a script[]  Maria Korolov: and those scripts are free online[]  Maria Korolov: you do'nt have to write them[]  Maria Korolov: just copy and paste them[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Yes. Its about it that I was telling...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: From where?[]  Maria Korolov: there are a million places to get SecondLife scripts[]  Tartafeu Alecto: are there scripts repository?[]  Maria Korolov: search for "lsl color change scripts"[]  Maria Korolov: there are quite a few[]  Maria Korolov: and many bloggers also post scripts[]  Tartafeu Alecto: The place you sent to me?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: and there are scripts in the OSgrid forums where whitestar sent you[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: there are millions of people using Secondlife, many of htem have written scripts and posted them somewhere[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And to input the script in object?[]  Maria Korolov: cut copy and paste[]  Shortdog Philbin: drop it into contents tab[]  Maria Korolov: or if the script is in your inveotyr, just drag it to the object[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Do you to program in script language or ever take them from another place?[]  Maria Korolov: or you can use autoscript -- an automatic script generator[]  Maria Korolov: 3greeneggs.com/autoscript[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Fantastic![]  Shortdog Philbin: or the LSL script editor[]  Apple: Script running[]  Shortdog Philbin: anybody hear sound from that ball?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Excuse me. My sound is turned off[]  Tartafeu Alecto: People are sleeping now. LOL[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maria. I created a script[]  Tartafeu Alecto: went in content[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But I cant past[]  Tartafeu Alecto: New script is disabled[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I think there is your script there[]  Maria Korolov: hmmm. i just tried to put on a script to make it change color...[]  Maria Korolov: but i think i got it wrong...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Me too. LOL[]  Tartafeu Alecto: At your box too: I went in Content and Open but nothing happens[]  Shortdog Philbin: Maria the apple script has an error[]  Shortdog Philbin: line 4[]  Compile successful[]  Primitive: Script running[]  Shortdog Philbin: letter 29[]  Compile successful[]  Primitive: Script running[]  Compile successful[]  Primitive: Script running[]  Shortdog Philbin: error cs0103[]  Compile successful[]  Shortdog Philbin: name all-slides does not exist in ther current content[]  Tartafeu Alecto: worked :)[]  Shortdog Philbin: sorry context[]  Maria Korolov: HAH![]  Maria Korolov: GOT IT![]  Shortdog Philbin: cool[]  Tartafeu Alecto sussurra: You are a fantastic teacher![]  Maria Korolov: I had "All_Sides" and should have been "ALL-SIDES"[]  Maria Korolov: it was a one-line script[]  Maria Korolov: so i just retyped instead of cutting and pasting[]  Maria Korolov: and there you go -- typo![]  Shortdog Philbin: tricky little beggars sometimes aren't they?[]  Maria Korolov: if you want to read the script, right-click on the apple to edit it[]  Shortdog Philbin: lol.[]  Maria Korolov: then click on the content[]  Maria Korolov: and double click on the script[] Maria Korolov: here are in the instructiosn for what goes into the set color command if you want ot change hte color to something else: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LLSetColor[]  Maria Korolov: and i didn't know how to do it until just now :-)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Maria Korolov: i google "change color" and "lsl script" and the script came right up[]  Shortdog Philbin: would this help?[]  Maria Korolov: shortdog: i'm trying to explain that you do'nt have to know ANY of this stuff to do lots of simple things :-)[]  Shortdog Philbin: I understand[]  Maria Korolov: but I'll be reading the tutorial -- thanks![]  Shortdog Philbin: welcomr[]  Shortdog Philbin: I'll leave you to it[]  Maria Korolov: tart here thought he'd have to become a computer programmer to do anything in here[]  Maria Korolov: hah I say! Hah![]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes![]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Shortdog Philbin: not so[]  Shortdog Philbin: I am a retired steamship engineer[]  Maria Korolov: shortdog: cool! do you haev any steamships here?[]  Maria Korolov: my son loves sihps[]  Maria Korolov: sihp[]  Maria Korolov: ships[]  Shortdog Philbin: happens I am building a full size aircraft carrier on my home sim.[]  Maria Korolov: cool[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Cool[]  Maria Korolov: my dad's a retired aerospace engineer.. i'm trying to get him in here to help my son build a spaceship[]  Shortdog Philbin: wonderfull[]  Maria Korolov: my dad was all like "CAD systems are much too difficult for an 11-year-old"[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Now work to shape the pieces shows like me more difficult than work with scripts[]  Shortdog Philbin: hehehe[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ehehe[]  Shortdog Philbin: I'm like all much too difficult for me[]  Shortdog Philbin: lol.[]  Maria Korolov: tart: remember -- your assembly line students will only have to do one step each[]  Tartafeu Alecto: rs[]  Maria Korolov: adn then move it over to the next guy[]  Shortdog Philbin: as in RL[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Maria Korolov: you just have to build two assembly lines -- one for the main box, and one for the handle[]  Maria Korolov: and then hve them come together at the same time and have one student attach them[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But at first moment I wont wish that they create things here[] Maria Korolov: and you do'nt have to use solid colors.. you can put a photo of an actual briefcase on the outside so it looks nice...[]  Maria Korolov: then you can sell the ojbects they make![]  Maria Korolov: bwa ha ha ha ha ha![]  Tartafeu Alecto: only to touch the objects with scripts inside them[]  Tartafeu Alecto: No! ehehehe[]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Could I test voice chat[]  Tartafeu Alecto: In SL there was a problem in Ubuntu over 8.10[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Only 8.04 worked[]  Shortdog Philbin: not available on this sim[]  Shortdog Philbin: voice I mean[]  Tartafeu Alecto: oh![]  Shortdog Philbin: does work[]  Shortdog Philbin: just disabled on this sim[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But in preferences the line form microfone is working[]  Shortdog Philbin: this region needs all CPU cycles it can get[]  Maria Korolov: looks a LITTLE better...[]  Shortdog Philbin: Nebadon has voice turned off here.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: tart: make the students do some real work[]  Maria Korolov: they'll get mor out of it[]  Tartafeu Alecto: like example...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: To build a car?[] Maria Korolov: and the building skills they learn, they can use in secodn life to open up their own businesses and make millions selling fashionable shoes[]  Maria Korolov: there are people making thousands of dollars a month selling fashions in Second Life...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I need to think about that[]  Maria Korolov: so not millions, but still :-)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: At first I am thinking to take some[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Education Theroy[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Theory[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Like Vygotsky[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And try to mix it with management needs class[] Maria Korolov: of course, the ironic tihng is here, you don't need an asembly line - once you make one object, you can make a milion copies...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: solving some problem using Immersive Education[]  Maria Korolov: so its actually more of a platform for artisanal work, not assembly line work...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Maria Korolov: ha ha ha[]  Shortdog Philbin: hehe there is your assembly line[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I wont wish to teach them to develop crafts but live some moments that they could live (only imagine)[]  Maria Korolov: huh?[]  Shortdog Philbin: ahh, the epifany?[]  Maria Korolov: ah, like management skills?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: almost that :)[]  Maria Korolov: risk analysis?[]  Maria Korolov: workflow analysis?[]  Maria Korolov: so for example, you can have them design and optimize assembly lines[]  Maria Korolov: motion analysis[]  Maria Korolov: how to make a case using the fewest students... or the least time per case...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: At fist I had imagined something like a "museum"[] Maria Korolov: there are people using this for risk analysis... walk thorugh a factory, and identify all the fire hazards, for example...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: If I usually explain abou how would be a manufacture process[]  Tartafeu Alecto: nice[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :0[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Could be too[] Maria Korolov: if you do that, you could have a moving assembly line with robots on it (either human shaped or robot shaped) making things[]  Maria Korolov: that woudl need scripting[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Yeah![]  Tartafeu Alecto: Its something like that[]  Tartafeu Alecto: but you gave me some ideas[]  Maria Korolov: or you could do it cheap - have a student-powered assembly line[]  Maria Korolov: ha ha ha[]  Shortdog Philbin: set them a project to design and fault check a factory?[]  Maria Korolov: is this a steam engine?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: There is organizacions tha has financial fund for research[]  Shortdog Philbin: indeed it is[]  Shortdog Philbin: part of a powerhouse museum[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Could be[]  Maria Korolov: my dad brought a steamengine over last summer[]  Maria Korolov: a real one[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I didnt think exactly what[]  Maria Korolov: but he powered it with an air compressor[]  Shortdog Philbin: same principle.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I I intent to do that. Where would be a place where could I put this interactive classroom?[]  Maria Korolov: tart: if you have funding, either secondlife or reactiongrid[]  Maria Korolov: if you do'nt have funding, get some computers together and some student interns and do it yourself[]  Maria Korolov: and put it on your own grid[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I have some money in SL[]  Maria Korolov: or you can attach it to reactiongrid or some other grid[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I dont know if can I transfer for here.[]  Maria Korolov: regions on reactiongrid start at $25 a month[]  Maria Korolov: ther'es no money here[]  Maria Korolov: you owuld have ot take your money out of SL[]  Maria Korolov: and then use real money here[]  Shortdog Philbin: set up a region and connect it here?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I really got affraid became some project and Linden Labs advise that will close the dors.[]  Maria Korolov: so if you were paying reactiongrid for hosting, you woudl pay them by paypal or credit card[]  Maria Korolov: afraidd of what?[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I think that in Open source projects its more difficult to hapen[]  Maria Korolov: shortgod: it's not reliable to connect school regions to OSgrid[]  Shortdog Philbin: not yet[] Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is a bit better for that -- they run older version of the software, upgrade less frequently, much more stable[]  Shortdog Philbin: what about Intel's new ScienceSim?[] Maria Korolov: there is also worldsimterra that you can connect to, they have a large spanish, porgueese and brazlian population -- many colleges[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Afraid of became to develop a project and the SL Project stop like google Virtual World[]  Maria Korolov: ah, sl has been around for a long time[]  Maria Korolov: Google was only a few months, a beta thing[]  Maria Korolov: sl is pretty stable[]  Maria Korolov: but with open sim, yes, you own the software[]  Maria Korolov: you can keep it and run it forever if you like[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And OpenSimulator ?[]  Maria Korolov: yeah, opensim[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes. Is more secure[]  Maria Korolov: and much cheaper[]  Maria Korolov: for about the same stuff[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Maria Korolov: that's why so many colleges are moving over to opensim[]  Maria Korolov: also, there are no age restrictions[]  Maria Korolov: i bring my son here, who's 11[]  Maria Korolov: with second life, you can't bring in students under 18[]  Maria Korolov: they have hteir own grid -- where adults can't go![]  Tartafeu Alecto: Here is 11?[]  Maria Korolov: it's crazy[]  Maria Korolov: tart: there is no age limit here[]  Maria Korolov: its like the internet[]  Maria Korolov: anybody can put up hteir own site adn set hteir own age limits[]  Maria Korolov: osgrid, where we are now, is a development grid. vey safe for kids[]  Tartafeu Alecto: My ddaughter has 14 but I never invited her for SL.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I have afraid.[]  Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is PG -- guaranteed safe for kids[]  Maria Korolov: tart: well, SL is mostly one big sex game[]  Maria Korolov: my daughters goes on SL lal the time -- she's 14, too -- but she lies about her age[]  Maria Korolov: i'm sure all kids do[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But she can connect in another GRID[]  Maria Korolov: yeah, but the teen SL grid is totally lame, from what i hear[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Can I configure the Hippo viewer to connect only in reactiongrid?[]  Maria Korolov: so all the kids lie about their age and go to the adult grid[]  Shortdog Philbin gave you New Note.[]  Maria Korolov: tart: no, there's a choice of grids[]  Shortdog Philbin: list of current grids Tarta[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Shortdog: ty :)[]  Shortdog Philbin está Online[]  Shortdog Philbin: ty[]  Maria Korolov: it's easier to actually program the Second Life vierwer to only to to ReactionGrid[]  Maria Korolov: you hve to edit the .exe line -- and thats harder for a kid to hack[]  Shortdog Philbin: use Hippo and it can connect to any grid[] Maria Korolov: welll, not my kid. my daugher is the one who installed OpenSim on our linux machine -- and instaled Linux, too[]  Shortdog Philbin: hehehe[]  Maria Korolov: i do'nt even try to keep her out of anywhere[]  Maria Korolov: she's a big Linux snob. programs php. has her own company doing websites, and CSS.[]  Maria Korolov: she's 14.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Shortdog. I would like to advise you that I dont female . LOL[]  Shortdog Philbin: I'll bundle up my Mandriva box[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maybe you get scared when meet me again[]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Shortdog Philbin: she can get OS working oin that for me[]  Shortdog Philbin: it's being a headache[]  Maria Korolov: short: she prefers ubuntu[]  Shortdog Philbin: damn[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I am using Ubuntu too[]  Shortdog Philbin: I just can't figure debian[]  Maria Korolov: but she can probably work with whatever you've got. she charges $8 per hour[]  Maria Korolov: but you have to put up with her eye rolling and condenscending attitude! ha ha ha[]  Shortdog Philbin: $8 per hr?[]  Maria Korolov: yup[]  Tartafeu Alecto: On School that I work it was Mandriva but people from IT change everithing for Ubuntu. It's easyer[]  Shortdog Philbin: she's slave labouting herself.[]  Maria Korolov: she's 14. she only got her work permit a month ago[]  Maria Korolov: she's racking up referenceable clients right now[]  Shortdog Philbin: good on her.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Why I hadnt permission to change my body?[]  Maria Korolov: once she's got a few projects under her belt, i'm sure she'll double her rates a few times[]  Shortdog Philbin: make a new one Tatra[]  Maria Korolov: tart: create a new body part-shape[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ?[]  Shortdog Philbin: use inventory[]  Maria Korolov: i told you. go to inventory at the bottom.[]  Maria Korolov: click on create[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Maria Korolov: then ew body parts-new shape[]  Tartafeu Alecto: i found it :)[]  Maria Korolov: excellent![]  Shortdog Philbin: not so long ago my home region kept logging me as a Ruth again[]  Maria Korolov gave you OSG short sleeve black T shirt.[]  Maria Korolov gave you OSG Hardhat.[]  Shortdog Philbin: got it already Maria[]  Shortdog Philbin: tx anyway[]  Maria Korolov: ok[]  Shortdog Philbin: you been with OLG long?[]  Maria Korolov: me? olg?[]  Shortdog Philbin: yeah[]  Maria Korolov: openlifegrid?[]  Maria Korolov: i've never been there[]  Shortdog Philbin: sorry OSG[]  Tartafeu Alecto: beter by now :)[]  Maria Korolov: osg -- i've been here for a little over amonth[]  Shortdog Philbin: ahhh[]  Maria Korolov: i'm the editor of hypergridbusiness.com[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Friends. What time is there?[]  Maria Korolov: it's midnight![]  Maria Korolov: gotta go![]  Shortdog Philbin: 1330 for me in Australia[]  Maria Korolov: early interview tomorrow[]  Shortdog Philbin: good luck tomorrow then Maria[]  Shortdog Philbin: nice to meet and chat[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And if want to now more about me: http://www.isecensa.edu.br/?modulo=paginagerenciavel&amp;acao=pagina_99[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maria[]  Tartafeu Alecto: and Shordog[]  Tartafeu Alecto: What time usually you came here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ?[] Maria Korolov: thanks, i'll need it -- its a talk with a client about how a project went... to see if they'll hire us for more of it![]  Tartafeu Alecto: It's 1: am here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: now[]  Maria Korolov: cool -- write to me[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And in your city?[]  Maria Korolov: maria@korolov.com[]  Maria Korolov: tell me how it goes[]  Maria Korolov: i'm in boston, it's midnight here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: mine is: uebe@censanet.com.br[]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: We will maintain contact[]  Maria Korolov: oh, look there's a horse's head over there...[]  Shortdog Philbin: I'm shortdogphilbin@gmail.com[]  Maria Korolov: feano is making a horse,...[]  Maria Korolov: funky![]  Tartafeu Alecto: :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I would like to stay more but my body is claming from a bed![]  Maria Korolov: wow itl ooks really realistic![]  Tartafeu Alecto: nice[]  Shortdog Philbin: some very good builders around[]  Maria Korolov: wow, you are really good![]  Shortdog Philbin: I stick with the engineering I know[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maria: If I build something here this stuff it will desapear?[]  Shortdog Philbin: take it to your inventory Tarta[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Are there place here where could I do my experiments or only if I rent a place?[]  Shortdog Philbin: contact Nebadon Azumi[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Shortdog Philbin: he is the President of OSG[]  Tartafeu Alecto: cool[]  Shortdog Philbin: admins the grid.[]  Maria Korolov: tart: a few other peple give away land, too...[]  Shortdog Philbin: also known as Plaza Builder when online[]  Maria Korolov: check on chat -- there's usually someone around[]  Maria Korolov: or at he forums[]  Maria Korolov: Simon Gutteridge is giving away land[]  Shortdog Philbin: good idea[]  Maria Korolov: a few other peple are too[]  Maria Korolov: tart: what that guy is doing with the horse -- i cannot do that![]  Shortdog Philbin: latest news from some region owners are squatters[]  Shortdog Philbin: people just see open space and build a home.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: why?[]  Shortdog Philbin: lol.[]  Maria Korolov: beig a squatter is veyr dangerous -- the region owner can always just take you off![]  Shortdog Philbin: yep[]  Maria Korolov: so if you're going to squat, make sure you have copies of everything you make![]  Shortdog Philbin: or like some do[]  Shortdog Philbin: let em stay[]  Maria Korolov: but I wouldn't recommend it, anyway![]  Maria Korolov: you never know what kind of region owner you'll get![]  Shortdog Philbin: some region owners even advertise for free homesteaders[]  Maria Korolov: but there are so many people giving away free land -- why risk it?[]  Shortdog Philbin: exactly[]  Shortdog Philbin: I have a small plot behind the OpenSim College at Teravus Plaza[] Maria Korolov: sim core is giving away free land. Simon at Pioneer X. Retrodan has a whole list on his freebee places. there was a guy wandering around today giving away free land to everyone he met... :-)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Sorry I didnt undrestand "beig a squatter"[]  Shortdog Philbin: and run my own mini grid at home Hypergrid linked to here.[]  Maria Korolov: tart: just take over land that is not yours[]  Maria Korolov: and just build there[]  Maria Korolov: without asking permission[]  Shortdog Philbin: squatter is someone who just comes along and dumps them selves somewhere[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Shortdog Philbin: won't move on.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But isnt here a sandbox?[]  Shortdog Philbin: homesteader is given permission to build on a plot.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: hm. Ok[]  Shortdog Philbin: yes this is a public sandbox for all to build and practice[]  Tartafeu Alecto: But maybe he doesnt know about it[]  Maria Korolov: tart: yes, this is a sandbox. but they clean everythign up eveyr day[]  Maria Korolov: you can't build a house here and live in it[]  Shortdog Philbin: swept clean every 24 hours[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I underestood[]  Shortdog Philbin: download and run even a single region on the pc you are using now.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: People here in OSGrid is very different from Sl. Here is more like Linux community[]  Shortdog Philbin: funny you should say that[]  Maria Korolov: this IS LINUX COMMUNITY[]  Maria Korolov: it's all developers here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Yes![]  Tartafeu Alecto: LOL[]  Shortdog Philbin: most of us are Linux fans or even pro sysops[]  Maria Korolov: the reason they give away land is to test software on people[]  Maria Korolov: you will get free land -- but you will be a guinea pig[]  Maria Korolov: new software release eveyr day[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I got amazing with colaboration fellings[]  Maria Korolov: constant upgrades[]  Maria Korolov: new features[]  Maria Korolov: and new bugs[]  Maria Korolov: you can go crazy[]  Maria Korolov: ha ha ha[]  Shortdog Philbin: lots of loverly bugs yep[]  Shortdog Philbin: but we find em and fix em.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Someone knew about Wonderland Project?[]  Maria Korolov: i say, pay $25 to reactiongrid, or $16 to pioneer, and then you do'nt have to worrya bout it :-)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ok[]  Shortdog Philbin: there is that to think about[]  Maria Korolov: wow... look at that horse go....[]  Maria Korolov: so cool...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: What is the problem about pioneer that is cheaper than.[]  Shortdog Philbin: woah boy.[]  Shortdog Philbin: lol.[]  Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is all microsoft, running MSSQL[]  Maria Korolov: very very stable[]  Tartafeu Alecto: less popular?[]  Maria Korolov: people working on it all the time to get all the bugs out[]  Maria Korolov: lots of big corporate clients. microsoft is a client, also intel, but also many schools[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Microsoft. In Linux environment?[]  Shortdog Philbin: this seems to disappoint a lot of the SL people who come here[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Funny.[]  Maria Korolov: pioneer runs linux[]  Maria Korolov: and they do some testing and development, but not as much as reactiongrid[]  Maria Korolov: mostly for individuals and small businesses[]  Tartafeu Alecto: And where you have your place? Pionner or reactiongrid>[]  Shortdog Philbin: this is the test grid for all other OpenSim grids[]  Maria Korolov: i have mine on my h ome computers. didn't i tell you about my daughter the linux geek?[]  Maria Korolov: its a standalone[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes[]  Shortdog Philbin: hehehe[]  Tartafeu Alecto: eheheeh[] Maria Korolov: but i alos had a company hosting my company region --- but they were hit by the hypervm hacker and everythign was lost[]  Shortdog Philbin: we all geek it and pioneer here in this grid.[]  Maria Korolov: haev to rebuild it all from scratch[]  Maria Korolov: so I'm going to switch to pioneer, i think -- they do off-site backups[]  Maria Korolov: my old guy had his backup on another servers -- and ALL servers went down at the same time[]  Shortdog Philbin: if it's a stable production type grid you need then[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Someone is rotarian?[]  Shortdog Philbin: take Maria's advice.[] Maria Korolov: i think my old host is out of business because of this -- they were running 41 regions, too, and had some clients...[]  Tartafeu Alecto: yes. I will :)[]  Maria Korolov: so I'm thinking of switchign to Pioneer. cheap. good backups, nice guy running it, very helpful.[]  Shortdog Philbin: I love this grid because it is the sharp end[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maybe it will be my choice[]  Maria Korolov: i've interviewed some of his clients for my magazine and they LOVE ihm[]  Maria Korolov: tell him i sent you[]  Maria Korolov: he might give you a discount[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Ok :)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: ty[]  Maria Korolov: they say he is veyr patient and helpful[] Maria Korolov: and will set you up with a standalone region, or a region on his new grid, or a region on OSGrid, or anywhere else you want it[]  Shortdog Philbin: that is a big plus with hosting[]  Maria Korolov: and take care of all the upgrades and maintenance and backups for you[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Nice[]  Maria Korolov: and he has an automated point-and-click control panel for the regions... you can restart them yourself[]  Shortdog Philbin: I tried to get my ISP to link in[]  Maria Korolov: and do other stuff yourself[]  Shortdog Philbin: they are all Linux[]  Maria Korolov: i forget exactly what now[]  Shortdog Philbin: don't even like an MS machine hooking up.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I will need to go. I am very tired[]  Shortdog Philbin: be great if our ISP's used this as a front page portal to the new shiny 3D web.[]  Shortdog Philbin: OK[]  Maria Korolov: :-)[]  Tartafeu Alecto: I hope to meet all of you again[]  Shortdog Philbin: got to go shopping myself[]  Maria Korolov: i'm always around[]  Tartafeu Alecto: You were very very nice[]  Shortdog Philbin: good to meet you both.[]  Maria Korolov: that guy is REALLY good....[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Maria. I dont have words to say thank you.[]  Tartafeu Alecto: Really[]  Maria Korolov: look at my suitcase[]  Maria Korolov: and look at his horse[]  Tartafeu Alecto: You were amazing. I wont forget it[]  Shortdog Philbin: it's a Sculpty.[]  Shortdog Philbin: he is good[]  Shortdog Philbin: sculpted prims are a real bitch[]  Tartafeu Alecto: bye everyobdy[]  Shortdog Philbin: bye[]  Maria Korolov: bye