What we did Nov 03
Autor: carlos | Publicado: 2009-11-05T13:44:00-08:00

Tuesday, Nov 3, we had our presential class.I returned your mid-term essays with my comments.REMINDER: CABRI project essay (you got instructions by email) is due in Nov (send by email according to your instructions and have printout to be given to me)1)We checked initially Comma Splices and Run-ons in production from our classmates. To do this, we saw some jokes and some exercises in the powerpoint below:http://127.0.0.1:4664/redir?url=file%3A%2F%2FC%3A%5CDocuments+and+Settings%5COwner%2EYOUR%2DFC01586646%5CMy+Documents%5CaaawritngMaugust2009%5CComma+Splices%2Eppt%3Fevent%5Fid%3D162809%26schema%5Fid%3D6%26q%3D%2522comma%2Bsplice%2522%252B%2Bppt&src=8&schema=6&s=ytdKFeRnxbBRMbi-mB651aRtcWU2) We introduced  the online task for Nov 24, with the videos below (having watched parts of them in class)YOUR TASK:Our  last task on Robert Frost : write a 1 – 2 -1 essay, responding to the poem.  You may focus on form, comparing both Portuguese and Spanish translations  and/or go into more practical considerations about love.  NO NEED to follow Marine Parks ModelSome say the world will end in fire; Some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice.Portuguese translation: Fogo e Gelo O mundo findará em fogo, ouço aqui, Em gelo, ouço ali. Conheço bem o desejo, logo Sou a favor do fim em fogo. Mas se houvesse dois finais, Creio que sei do ódio a ponto De afirmar: ao destruir, o gelo Funciona bem; Não fica aquém. ( tentou-se conservar, na medida do possível, as rimas, as aliterações e as assonâncias. Exemplos: no primeiro verso de "Fire and Ice", a aliteração "Some say..." foi adaptada para "... findará em fogo...". Nesse mesmo poema, o esquema de rimas foi alterado, e há mesmo um verso da tradução, o quinto, que curiosamente rima com o original. ) // Spanish translation Unos dicen que el mundo terminará en fuego, / Otros dicen que el hielo. / Por lo que he gustado del deseo,/Estoy con los partidarios del fuego. / Pero si tuviera que sucumbir dos veces, / Creo saber bastante acerca del ódio / Como para decir que en la destrucción el hielo / También es poderoso/ Y bastaria //1)Watch Stacy in his small lecture: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRSIevoc3c 2) Listen to the poem being read aloud by Robert Frost:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBwWkbiO7RE3) See some comments on Fire and Ice  belowSummary  Sparknotes http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/frost/section9.rhtml Form : "Fire and Ice" follows an invented form, irregularly interweaving three rhymes and two line lengths into a poem of nine lines. Each line ends either with an -ire, -ice, or -ate rhyme. Each line contains either four or eight syllables. Each line can be read naturally as iambic, although this is not strictly necessary for several lines. Frost employs strong enjambment in line 7 to great effect.  / Commentary : An extremely compact little lyric, "Fire and Ice" combines humor, fury, detachment, forthrightness, and reserve in an airtight package. Not a syllable is wasted. The aim is aphorism--the slaying of the elusive Truth-beast with one unerring stroke. But for Frost, as usual, the truth remains ambiguous and the question goes unanswered; to settle for aphorism would be to oversimplify.  We can attribute part of the poem's effect to the contrast between the simple, clipped precision of its vocabulary and the vague gravity of its subject. The real triumph of "Fire and Ice," however, is in its form. Try writing the poem out in prose lines. Nearly all poems suffer considerably in this exercise, but this poem simply dies: The language remains simple, but the devastating, soaring anticlimax of the final two lines is lost. Those lines draw their soft-kill power from form: from their rhymes; from the juxtaposition of their short, punchy length with that of the preceding lines (and their resonance with the length of the second line); and from the strong enjambment in line 7, which builds up the tension needed for the perfect letdown.  / It is one thing to pull off an offhand remark about the end of days; it is another to make it poetry. Frost masterfully accomplishes both in a single composition.  /  While I wouldn't call myself a poetry expert, I will admit that that Robert Frost's poem "Fire and Ice" did have me thinking for a while. In the poem, Frost implys that fire represents love (desire), while ice represents hatred. Frost also mentions that he would prefer the world to end in fire rather than ice. I find myself in agreement with Frost in that I also would take fire over ice. I've never been a fan of cold weather, and I'll take heat over cold any day (also it's weird that he likes fire when his last name is Frost).  / When it comes to the whole issue of fire, i feel that fire represents love, as I said earlier. When two love really like/love each other, they are said to have a burning desire for one another. I'm a romantic person, so I tend to like fire (though I'd rather not die by it). But ice is cold and harsh, and represents hatred. I'm not a hateful person, so why would I take the side of ice? The whole world is cold when you think about it. There aren't many nice people around anymore, and everyone always gives everyone else the cold shoulder, so to speak. That's why Frost says that ice would be suitable for destruction, because ice does represent a destruction of a friendship, a relationship, or any type of emotional connection. /http://www.english-blog.com/archives/2006/01/poetry_in_the_english_writing_classroom.php#more