I'm sure some people caught onto this while watching the Unicorn series/RE: 0096, but in the very beginning there is an announcement talking about the end of Anno Domini. I haven't heard much discussion mentioning their consistency, but I figured that thought would have been cool knowing that UC takes place far after the AD period that was portrayed in 00. In addition, I find it interesting as it may be interpretted as a different universe rather than UC being an actual continuation of AD--now that might bring upon some thoughts such as "Newtype" vs "Innovator." Maybe it's possible that both can exist, and/or that Newtypes are now discovered as the evolution for people to turn into. What does that tell you about the other "universes?" Something tells me that the details of them might not all be written at this time.
Two different "time periods." It's outright stated in archives of The Dark History that everything began in Universal Century... By the time we get to correct century, over 10,000 years have gone by. We know that events from Future Century, After Colony, After War took place within that time span, and with the release of the MG Turn X, they stated that Anno Domini, Advanced Generation, and Cosmic Era, as well as the future Gundam series (they outright stated Build Fighters is NOT part of it) was within that 10,000 year time period. Turn A was stated to come in and restart civilization every time humanity set its reach beyond the stars. I mean, if you didn't watch Turn A Gundam or read the manual, then you just create theories. But, it's really all there in the manual and in the Dark History episode. They've released no information since that disables any of this information. But Gundam is one Universe, one long timeline... not different timelines.
Alexanderbirthright wrote: Two different "time periods." It's outright stated in archives of The Dark History that everything began in Universal Century... By the time we get to correct century, over 10,000 years have gone by. We know that events from Future Century, After Colony, After War took place within that time span, and with the release of the MG Turn X, they stated that Anno Domini, Advanced Generation, and Cosmic Era, as well as the future Gundam series (they outright stated Build Fighters is NOT part of it) was within that 10,000 year time period. Turn A was stated to come in and restart civilization every time humanity set its reach beyond the stars. I mean, if you didn't watch Turn A Gundam or read the manual, then you just create theories. But, it's really all there in the manual and in the Dark History episode. They've released no information since that disables any of this information. But Gundam is one Universe, one long timeline... not different timelines.
I do believe he is right that the MG Turn X manual states that ALL alternate timelines, even those in series released after Turn A, are part of the Dark History, other than perhaps G-Reco since Tomino went and said that is 500-1000 years after Turn A (which makes little to no sense). This honestly made things even more confusing than it was before.
With how many timelines there are, I honestly don't think 10,000 years would be enough for humanity to start over that many times. (AD ,UC, FC, AC, AW, CE, AG, PD and RC if you don't believe what Tomino said about it being after Turn A.) Also, as odd as this may sound, I don't feel that it would make any sense for the AD of 00 to occur before UC.
The mention of UC occuring after our AD goes all the way back to MSG, since Degwin compares Gihren to Adolf Hitler, a dictator from their history.
I'm not sure if model manuals are considered canon. CC is most definitely the future of UC, and possibly FC, AC, and AW according to the archives of the Dark History in the show.
Diseasicon wrote: I do believe he is right that the MG Turn X manual states that ALL alternate timelines, even those in series released after Turn A, are part of the Dark History, other than perhaps G-Reco since Tomino went and said that is 500-1000 years after Turn A (which makes little to no sense). This honestly made things even more confusing than it was before.
It sounds unrealistic that the A.D. era was repeated numerous times with different characteristics in the same universe.
It did. I mean you can look it up. Why wouldn't we consider the manuals canon? They give us all of the specs on the mobile suits. This is basically where we get most of our information from; the manuals. Plus, it's still Bandai giving us this information. Why would Gundam be promoting these kits with false information about the specs? That makes 0 sense.
What makes 10,000 years implausible? I mean, if civilization is restarted once humanity sets its sights beyond our star system, then it can happen. Heck, things happen in Gundam that seems impossible all of the time.
AD occurs in 00, but it was also the starting point of UC and from what I remember, AC too. So this era happened before and before. It's just that it's the central point in 00, whereas in other series, the era has long passed by and changed.
Also, it really doesn't matter if Tomino states anything, his word isn't God, definitely not over Bandai/Sunrise. Bandai's official timeline has G-Reco coming into existence after the ending of UC. Tomino might have intended G-Reco to be after Turn A, but Bandai's timeline supersedes Tomino's.
There was never any question that RC was after UC. The question was if it is part of the Dark History, or if it occurs after the events of Turn A as Tomino suggested. I tend to go with the former, since events from UC are referenced in the show, but nothing about CC.
What I find implausible, is that humanity would have had to start over from nothing and progress to a point beyond the technology of late UC 9 times in 10,000 years. That seems unlikely, since by CC 2345, which is at minimum 2345 years after the Moonlight Butterfly, they have only progressed to approximately the early 1900's in terms of technology. If every time a new timeline starts it is because the Moonlight Butterfly occurred, humanity is effectively starting over from zero in terms of technology.
Let's say that the Turn A uses the Moonlight Butterfly, all technology is erased and we move into the timeline that contains the events of G Gundam. The events contained in that show occur in FC 60, 60 years after they begin the Gundam Fight to establish who rules the Earth Sphere. In order to get to that point, they still have to progress from primitive technology to the point of building space colonies, and only then can FC 01 begin. The same would go for every single other timeline.
- Anno Domini (wholly separate timeline; the AD calendar continues past 2045 AD, and orbital elevators are the focus instead of space colonies).
EDIT: (Yes, I'm counting the Mars Century from Frozen Teardrop for Gundam Wing's part of this timeline mess. I am not counting Build Fighters/Divers 'cuz it's set in our world.)
From what I get from most of this, it just seems as if from Sunrise/Bandai/Any production company as well as the directors (Tomino included) are just not on the same page. It's obvious in Tomino's case as he openly dissed other Gundam properties. I have a weird way of thinking and it's that whatever Tomino says matters according to what he makes (much like what most authors of franchises do- even if it contradicts with anything officially made), and that other Gundams such as 00's events as well as the UC Gundams through the RC and the CC all happened in their own berserk ways even though we would encounter some sorts of plotholes. And that the retellings such as the Zeta movies, Build Fighters, and the (for now at least) "lost" American children's standalone SD Gundam series are non cannon by default unless some other series calls for them. I just see it all as storytelling, and Sunrise/Bandai etc. just see it all as marketing ploys like when it comes to the Gundam video game merch when the timelines (including exact years from the same timelines) crossover. It works for me and it keeps me a fan of Gundam. So with that said, I see the Post Disaster as something so far into the future even with all of the likely plotholes and unexplained assets. That's my piece for now.
I've also posted CC timeline in the CC-Talk Page: https://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Correct_Century
Overall it has not officially been confirmed that; Anno Domini (00), Advanced Generation (AG) and Post Disaster (IBO) even CE are in the Turn A Timeline. So this makes them a parallel universe.
Starting from UC 2045 and counting my way towards UC0080, converting it to AD. It landed at 2198 A.D. which is the End of One Year War (Mobile Suit Gundam). I may have miss some calculations.
Now lets compare 2198 A.D. (UC) to Julian and Gregorian calendar / AD (00). The closest we can get is 2188 A.D. which at that time Celestial Being is on their way to Jupiter to build GN Drives
It confirms that both AD Timelines from respective Series are, parallel universe. They can go together on any direction they want but can Never meet end of.
Honestly considering, 00 after the movie. Their technologies reached up to the point it's Star wars and Star trek along with deepspace travel. Humanity achieved true peace what the UC failed to do. So....really Turn A doesn't make sense (It may only refer back to Tomino's production days Regild included).
Note: If you compare the 00 A.D. timeline and UC then look at C.C. 00 Never 100% meets despite so-called black history. I don't know what Sunrise was thinking, I can bet they just went with Tomino's idea of "all" timeline without 100% proper consideration.
So we are going to just ignore the manuals all of a sudden? When everything else we use the manuals for the wikia pages for correct specifications and history of the Gundams and mobile suits, but for this, we ignore it? The manuals outright tells us they are part of the timeline, not an alternative universe. We can't just say, lol, that's false, but then go on to put everything else about the mobile suit's history on the wikia.