I can't see why anyone would have a problem with this unless they wanted to keep women "in their place." I haven't seen it, but I'm not worried about spoilers. Having read your post, I really want to see it. I'd love to take my 11 year old niece with me, but I imagine her mom (my sister) would put the kibosh on that. I suppose it might be a hard movie for an eleven year old to watch, but I'm thinking how much eleven year old me would have loved seeing a movie with tough female characters like this.
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is it really a feminist film? it's more of an action film with unusual female characters (for the genre) - i don't think it was pushing any kind of gender agenda... for instance, i could have done without that shot of the wives in white skimpy garbs hosing each other in the desert... even in terms of narrative, it's max who makes furiosa realise that her mission is a fool's errand and he's the one to 'show her the way' (back)... i see fury road as an action film through and through, one that doesn't want to go beyond the superficial level of 'good uns vs bad uns'... the less you see into it, i think, it's better... (which is also what makes aaron clarey's claims a pile of sh*t...)
While I don't know about any "patriarchy" that you are talking about (even in interviews, when asked Miller and Theron said it had nothing to do "patriarchy") I do believe there is plenty of literally content to this movie that many have missed.
Subtext is key here, this isn't a movie that's about spoon-feeding themes and ideas, aside from the very obvious survival and desperation thematic elements. Looking at this simply as an action movie is doing it a total disservice. Yes of course the action is front an center, yet, a lot more is happening going on in the background than many have given it credit for.
I find it interesting how it was mentioned that this movie is a cultural throwback, but I don't necessarily agree. If you look to places in central Africa and some areas in the Middle East, this isn't too far off from being reality. (different locations, yet lets think thematically here) George Miller has discussed in great detail, things such as how many different cultures are able to make beauty from certain situations, referencing impoverished areas in India and Pakistan. Even in extreme poverty or extreme deprived circumstances, people create, people find deities, people create hierarchies, all of this is there, yet never especially told to the audience. We are left to come to our own conclusions.
There are a number of interesting religious parallels going on here, where the radiated wastelanders view Imortan Joe of somewhat a God figure or redeemer of their "Sin." (He gives them life though water and must maintain his image [plastic armor] to keep the people in check) The illusion continues. . . About the cars, the are particularly worshiped as they are seen as these artifacts of a prior age that somehow survived the apocalypse. Once again with subtext, this is never outright stated, but we infer this from the way they are viewed and a single line about "almighty V8" which is very poetic in nature. Yes the cars are over the top. But you know what else could be considered "over the top" from an Alien Cultural Perspective? The Pyramids, The Statue of Liberty, the 8 wonders of the world, the crucifix or any other number of cultural artifacts. It's fairly shallow minded to write this off.
The awesome looking Guitar player and the drummers are all also part of the culture and have a very real basis in reality. Just look as recently as the American civil war, army's would carry instruments such as flutes and drums into war. Go back further and this is seen everywhere. In a cultural that worships kinetic energy and must survive the heat of ruthlessness of the desert, people need things equally as ruthless and heat bearing to to keep spirits high.
And I'm not totally sure that biker culture is a product of the 1980's. Yeah it was more prevalent in American media then, but by all accounts biker gangs have grown over the past few decades, the mainstream media no longer focuses on them. Heck just a few weeks ago there was a massive biker shootout in Texas which has only served to show just how ruthless they can be. Calling this a product of the 80's just sounds fairly uniformed.
I find the "characters being too thin" excuse to be totally missing the point here. We are informed about these characters by what we known about them, but also by what we don't know. Mad Max is a myth, with keeping in the tradition of the last 2 films, the movie is told though a different characters perspective, in this case Furious who is seeking redemption, by which Max is able to find it as well and reclaim some of his humanity. The story is one of learning to trust, how to respect and gender unity is far more powerful than division and "destroying the patriarchy" (which is a silly and outdated notion at this point) as obviously about sacrifice.
Now this isn't to say that I think this movie is some literal interpretation of what a future might be like. But to view it as such is basically missing the point, don't look at the movie you want about a literal interpretation of the future, but the one we are given, which is more a fable. This is compounded by every shot in the movie looking absolutely stunning. I could take screen and hang on my wall and call it art.
Interestingly George Miller had this to sum up Mad Max. A few years back, there were Gasoline shortage in his native Australia. People were restricted to filling up once a week and normal gasoline (guzoline as it's called in Mad Max) was could only to be used regularly for emergency vehicles. It took just ten days for the first shot to be fired. He wondered what the world would look like if that had continued 10 years, 30 years, 50 years and so on. He wondered how would society react? how aggressive would we become> What would happened? etc. . .
In the 1880s upper class New Yorkers flocked to Central Park to enjoy the open air and landscaped greenery. But they were careful to avoid the neighborhood that nearly abutted the southwest corner of the Park. For nearly two decades Hell’s Kitchen had been rife with crime and poverty. In 1881 The New York Times described the district as “one of the most miserable and crime-polluted neighborhoods in this City” and said “there is more disease, crime, squalor, and vice to the square in this part of New-York.”
By now developers worked to replace dilapidated wooden and brick hovels with tenement houses for the mostly immigrant working class residents of Hell’s Kitchen. James D. McCabe, in 1882, placed the monthly rent on a tenement apartment at between $10 and $30—a range of around $200 to $600 today.
One of these was a five-story building at the northeastern fringe of Hell’s Kitchen. Sitting at the northeast corner Ninth Avenue and West 57th Street, it was a mere 20 feet wide on 57th Street; but stretched 100 feet up the avenue. The residential entrance was centered on Ninth Avenue, allowing for commercial space facing 57th Street. Called The Salvator it was intended for working class families; but that did not mean it gave up architectural style.
The Salvator's entrance was centered on 9th Ave. Above it, triangular pediments and a make-believe balcony decorated the otherwise spartan side of the building. The cornice on this side has been lost.
The designs of British architect Charles Eastlake had reached New York by now. He preferred angles and corners to the rounded arches and bulbous balconies of a generation earlier. The Salvator’s 57th Street façade embraced Eastlake’s ideas—most notably in the protruding bay that rose the height of the building. While the brick elevation of Ninth Avenue was relatively unadorned—there were carved pediments and a pretty pseudo-balcony above the entrance—the cast iron 57th Street façade was a riot of ornamentation. Most likely all chosen from the foundry’s catalog, there was a sedate female face, a winged cherub’s head, festoons and fans. The appearance of the Salvator announced that even tenants with little means could have dignity.
The Salvator however, fell short of its promise. Owned by Martin Mahon, the proprietor of the New Amsterdam Hotel, he kept an apartment there in addition to his suite at the New Amsterdam and his house at No. 74 Irving Place. The Salvator apartment, it later became clear, was to keep his trysts secret from his wife.
Prior to 1896, Mahon sold The Salvator to C. E. Johnson, a tailor, and his wife, Fannie. Johnson ran his tailoring shop in the 57th Street store while Fannie ran the apartment house. Many tenants, it appears, rented by the month rather than the year.
Martin Mahon retained his apartment in the building. He later testified that the Johnsons “mortgaged it for $55,000, and he collected the rents and helped pay off the interest.” Mahon denied that he used his out of the way pied a terre for scandalous meetings; yet “he admitted that he had met many young women there, and they had played and sang for him.”
Trouble for Mahon began when William A. E. Moore and his wife, Fayne Moore, took an apartment. Moore was a conman and thief and his accomplice wife was attractive. A dalliance between Mahon and Fayne Moore came to light after her husband was convicted for theft and assault, and she was on trial for first degree robbery.
The projecting bay would have provided luxurious extra light inside, as well as a quaint sitting area.
Jurors heard that Fayne Moore “had often sang and played for him” and that ten weeks before the trial, in December 1898, she had asked for his $20 diamond pin. The 43-year old Mahon testified that he called on Mrs. Moore five times at The Salvator. “I told her I was married, but I liked her company and tried to keep it,” he said.
An attorney asked “Had you an honest purpose in visiting that girl at Mrs. Johnson’s?” and Mahon insisted “My purpose was honest. I liked to hear her play and sing. I never knew the class of people who went to Mrs. Johnson’s, but I believe they were respectable.”
Fayne Moore’s singing and playing must have been quite extraordinary. The New York Times reported that while on the stand “Mahon continued that he had taken Mrs. Moore driving, to the theatre, and to dinners; that once he gave her a piano and on another occasion had loaned her $15 at Mrs. Johnson’s. He had let her take his diamond pin, and later loaned her a bracelet of diamonds and sapphires, which she told him she wanted to purchase from him.”
In addition to Martin Mahon, the court case would involve several tenants and Fannie Johnson. Slurs and accusations were luridly reported in the press as Victorian readers clung to the sensational story. In the meantime, William and Fayne Moore waited for the outcome in a joint prison cell. “The Moores spent yesterday quietly in the Tombs, most of the time reading newspapers,” recounted The New York Times on December 12, 1898.
Shortly after the court case, the Johnsons sold The Salvator to real estate operator Charles Kneeland. Following his death, his widow Adele sold the property at auction in 1901 to cover a $58,430 lien. Johnson’s tailor shop was now the home of K. G. Carter’s furniture store.
The portion of Hell’s Kitchen around The Salvator was improving, as reflected in its residents. Artist Jessie Leith was here in 1905 and urologist Albert Goldey lived here in 1918. Nevertheless, incomes remained low. John F. Murray was a long-term resident, from at least 1910 to 1919. A Transit Inspector for the city, he earned $1,320 a year in 1917—about $25,000 in today’s terms.
Real estate men were shocked on March 22, 1919 when Paul Henry Zagat, president of the City Real Estate Improvement Corporation signed a 99-year lease on the aging building. The aggregate rent was about $1 million. “The property will probably be remodeled by the new owners,” suggested the New-York Tribune.
Jacob Robert Shapero lived in the building in 1920. The 32-year old was a 1st Lieutenant in the Medical Department, Dental Section, of the U.S. Army Reserves. Seven years later the Gaston family would call No. 363 West 57th Street home. Harry Gaston was 14 years old and on February 27, 1927, an unusually nice winter day lured him and two friends on an adventure.
Harry and brothers John and George Conway, 14 and 12 years old respectively, set off to Pelham Bay Park. Pre-planning was apparently not their forte; for they left with enough money to get to the park, but did not have the 15 cent fare for the subway home.
“The boys saw an automobile standing with others in front of Kane’s Pelham Bay Inn, and instantly their transportation problem was solved to their own satisfaction. The three got into the car, the elder Conway boy took the wheel and off towards Manhattan they sped,” reported The New York Times the next day.
The car’s owner, Eugene Wager, heard the engine start up and ran outside just in time to see it disappearing around a corner. He borrowed another car and gave chase. Wager tried for two miles to catch up to his automobile; all the while afraid that there were armed crooks inside.
The chase played out like a scene from a silent movie. At East Tremont Avenue and Eastern Boulevard, Patrolman Campbell jumped on the running board of the car Wager was driving. A little further along Patrolman Tiedemann jumped on as well. Half a mile later young Conway realized he was being chased by the police and pulled over onto a side street.
“Then, to the amazement of Wager and the two policemen, instead of armed men alighting, they saw three youngsters in short trousers pile out and run. Campbell fired a couple of shots in the air and the fugitives halted.”
It was apparently Zagat who rescued The Salvator when the row of similar structures along the 57th Street block was razed for the hulking Henry Hudson Hotel in 1929. The lone survivor suddenly took on a very skinny appearance. Thirty-two years into the 99-year lease, Eugene H. Zagat purchased No. 363, in June 1951. The Times described it as “consisting of fifteen apartments, a professional office and six stores.”
In 1961 Lou’s Corner Bar was in the ground floor space. In an incident recalling the Hell’s Kitchen days of the 1880s, 35-year old Joseph Griffin met his death there on March 23. Described by police as “a hoodlum with a long record,” he sat at the bar unaware of a heavy-set, six-foot assailant approaching from behind.
The man, estimated to be about 35 years old, pulled out a gun and shot Griffin twice in the head at close range. As he staggered off his bar stool, the gunman fired three more times, but missed. Then, somewhat amazingly The Times reported, “apparently as an afterthought, the gunman ordered the bartender, William Gallagher, to empty the register.”
Lou’s Corner Bar was gone by the 1970s, replaced by Antores Spiro’s cocktail lounge and restaurant. Today a delicatessen engulfs the entire ground floor. The cast iron façade, sorely neglected and in disrepair in the late 20th century, has been sanded and painted. The narrow 20-foot 57th Street front is both delightful and slightly comical next to its behemoth neighbor.
The name is more or less impressive depending upon its pronunciation. In my head I was first thinking about someone "salivating" which sounded gross, but when I think of it like "San Salvatore" it's much classier.
Thanks, Jim. Now I'll never get that out of my head! The bldg will be "The Salivate" forever on for me! ha!
Sorry if i'm repeating but I don't see my post so I'm trying again. Thank you for this story. I lived at 363 W57 # 4d from 1977-1990. It was quite a time and i have many memories of living there. My place was tiny, tiny but it was home.
I lived at 315 and I used to round this corner every day going to St.Paul the Apostle School on 60th (closed in 1974). I think Joe's Corner Bar may have survived into at least part of the 1970's because the bar I remember passing had a corner entrance, was dimly-lit, and always had a bunch of old Irish men around its small horseshoe shaped bar. It didn't look like a restaurant. One time on my way home from school our Irish doorman from 315, Tim, saw me and unsteadily swayed outside, "Steve! My little buddy!" Whereupon he guided me inside to introduce me to his drinking partners and had the bartender pour me a 7-up. I don't think I had seen anyone really inebriated before and I must have been rather wide-eyed because I wasn't in there long before the bar keep said, "Tim, ya better let the kid get home." And that is how an 8 year old briefly was a patron of whatever establishment was there around 1972. I still remember how the neon sign looked, a true corner sign that could be read from either 57th or 9th.
I lived there for a few years in the mid 70's as a kid. I have so many fond memories of living there like having central park as my backyard. great times!
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