take it out then.
<hub> Hobbsee: because he claim that wxgtk2.6-dev pulls it
<hub> putting it back
<hub> *sigh*
<hub> I need more RAM
<sistpoty> :)
<imbrandon> !mol > imbrandon
<Hobbsee> hub: ah.  easily checked though.
<Hobbsee> hub: probably worth checking via apt-cache, not by compiling it again :P
<hub> Hobbsee: well, the build takes a few hours because 3 or 4 files requires 300MB of RAM to build
<Hobbsee> hub: true
<Hobbsee> ouch
<hub> if I have 1 GB, I can try
<hub> I don't have
<ajmitch> unfortunate
<hub> maybe on the 1GHz machine
<ajmitch> get Hobbsee to build it
<hub> paradoxaly
<hub> it has 768MB
<hub> ajmitch: even the work machine do not. cheap bastards
<Hobbsee> hub: i was more meaning "apt-cache show wxgtk2.6-dev | grep libgtk2.0-dev
<hub> ajmitch: actually the work laptop has, but it run the wrong version of OS
<Hobbsee> "
<Hobbsee> hub: or evenstatus to "Fix Committed" and assign it to motureviewers if you haven't done so yet.
<Lathiat>     *
<Lathiat>       Ping elmo to sync the package (or ask a MOTU to do so).
<Lathiat> i'll update that ;p
<ajmitch> what page?
<Lathiat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging
<LaserJock> ack
<ajmitch> sigh, another stale page
<LaserJock> that's not good
<ajmitch> probably needs redirected to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging
<Lathiat> ah
<LaserJock> I might have to declare a "Clean up the wiki" day
<Lathiat> its linked off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
<Lathiat> :)
<LaserJock> doesn't it?
<LaserJock> I thought it was a redirect already
<ajmitch> Lathiat: so fix it
<Lathiat> so what we *really* need to do
<Lathiat> is fix the link
<Lathiat> hrm
<Lathiat> that /Packages/Merging
<Lathiat> is a bit bad
<Lathiat> it has two approaches for starts
<Lathiat> and doesnt have a clearly marked section on syncing etc
<ajmitch> have fun cleaning up :)
<Yagisan>


giving me a "pick up your parcel or we'll send it back" message
<Yagisan> but they could never find it when I went there
<StevenK> Muahaha
<Lathiat> haha
<Lathiat> class
<Yagisan> Lathiat, where are you ?
<StevenK> Yagisan: Is that Lid****e post office?
<Lathiat> Yagisan: perth
<Yagisan> StevenK, yes those turds
* StevenK doesn't like that suburb.
<Yagisan> Lathiat, oh well. I could have used an amd64 cd
<Yagisan> StevenK, they sold it about 2~3 months ago, and the new ownders are ablsolute crap
<StevenK> They even get called 'ownders'
<Lathiat> Yagisan: im more than happy to post you 20 or something if you like :)
<Yagisan> StevenK, rude arrogant turds that damage your parcels deliberatly "if" they can find them
<Hobbsee> much safer to rely on carrier pidgeons.
<jsgotangco> heh
<Yagisan> Lathiat, I only really need one. I usually dupe the myself
<jsgotangco> i gotmost of the conversation, and doesn't know where Yagisan is emigrating from
<Yagisan> ajmitch, working on it - working on it real hard. thats why I slacked off on most ubuntu stuff I have an interest in
<antinobody> but then again, I don't know what EMS is either
<Hobbsee> antinobody: here.
<ajmitch> Yagisan: how long will it take to do it?
<Yagisan> ajmitch, as of today 15 more months
<antinobody> Hobbsee:  Australia?
<Yagisan> antinobody, yep
<ajmitch> I know you managed to lie your way out of about half of it
<Hobbsee> antinobody: yes
<Yagisan> ajmitch, :D
<Yagisan> ajmitch, and if I can scam anymore I will
<ajmitch> heh
<Yagisan> ajmitch, they appear to run Windows 2000 ...
<antinobody> Yagisan: Don't feel bad, at least you don't live in my country
<ajmitch> poor sods
<Lathiat> Yagisan: where are you?
<Yagisan> antinobody, which is ? btw


EMS is a ver expensive international courier service
<Yagisan> Lathiat, Sydney.
<Yagisan> s/ver/very
<Lathiat> oh right
<Lathiat> i knew that
<Lathiat> but i forgot
<antinobody> Yagisan: US.  Although Oregon specifically, which is a rather nice place.
<Yagisan> ajmitch, well consider my "day job" and that apparently I'm ethically challanged ;)
<ajmitch> Yagisan: that's what I was thinking
<Yagisan> antinobody, don't worry. we'll be just as bad as you soon.
<Yagisan> ajmitch, it will be more fun when I get an adsl2+ setup going. mm remote access
<ajmitch> scary
* Yagisan likes himself more when he is sick. social norms seem so unimportant then
<antinobody> Are there any Ubuntu errands I can do, by chance?  Slowly I intend to become useful.
<Hobbsee> antinobody: sure, bring us all some beer.
<antinobody> Hobbsee: It's a bit of a walk, isn't it?
<Hobbsee> antinobody: you asked13698 open bugs. Have at.
<antinobody> Yagisan: I may take a break after the two bachelors, and work for a few years, and then try to talk my boss into paying me to get a Ph. D
<antinobody> Yagisan: But if that doesn't work out, yeah, 10 years
<crimsun> you should make the gov't pay for your doctorate.
<carthik> and yet you'll be underpaid
<crimsun> massively
<antinobody> carthik: A Ph. D in Environmental Engineering doesn't not get underpaid, believe it or not
<antinobody> At least, I'm happy with what I'll make
<carthik> when you are doing your Ph.D. I can bet you will be underpaid
<crimsun> and I can second that.
<crimsun> and Jordan can third, ...
<antinobody> That's true
<Yagisan> antinobody, remember - they will find a way to outsource you for only a few rupees an hour eventually
<carthik>


I did it today
<ajmitch> that's why we ask
<shawarma> Oh, well. No biggie. I haven't spent a lot of time on it, but now I know ALL about where to put icons.
<ajmitch> shawarma: the names are on the list because that's the last person who touched it
<ajmitch> it's the only way we avoid duplication at the moment
<ajmitch> it's ok, just thought I'd let you know :)
<shawarma> ajmitch: Sure. I guess i just assumed that since it was still on the list (ie. i hadn't done it already) there'd be a good chance you wouldn't do it today either. :-)
<shawarma> er... that should read: "(ie. YOU hadn't done it already)"
<ajmitch> most of the ones on the list for me, I've just done
<shawarma> ajmitch: Ah, ok.
<ajmitch> some of the merges assignedto me, I won't do
<ajmitch> because the debian change is stupid & wrong
<shawarma> Ah... The joy of having your name next to the "pornview" package. :-D
<shawarma> It'd be cool if you could filter the stuff on merges.u.c to only show the ones that MoM merged without problems.
<Toadstool> heya everybody
<Yagisan> ajmitch, if/when I would like to be a real motu, I need to bug the community council right ?
* ogra wonders why he read buy instead of bug
<ajmitch> CC for membership, TB for upload rights
<Yagisan> ogra, oh you take bribes now ?
<Yagisan> thanks ajmitch
* Yagisan attaches post-it note to wall
<ogra> Yagisan, i'm not in the CC ... ask elmo or Kamion :)
<ajmitch> what, pay off elmo or kamion with a small child?
* ajmitch can't imagine you'll have much else


chain-of-command going ;-)
<bddebian> Heh
<azeem> can I be bddebian's slave for Ubuntu?
<bddebian> My slave?  I don't do anything :-(
<LaserJock> yeah right
<LaserJock> hmmm
<LaserJock> maybe we can swap slaveship
<LaserJock> I can be azeem's Debian slave
<LaserJock> and he can be my Ubuntu slave
<LaserJock> mwuahahaha
<azeem> actually, I thought about applying for universe upload rights at the next TB meeting
<bddebian> Nice
<bddebian> +1 from me
<LaserJock> noooooo
<LaserJock> then my slaveship model will not work
<LaserJock> I will *always* be your slave then ;-)
<bddebian> heh
<bddebian> Gads axiom sucks
<LaserJock> bah, remove it from the repo ;-)
<LaserJock> that'll fix it :-)
<bddebian> Nah, shawarma fixed it but it takes FOREVER to build :-)
<cbx33> LaserJock, gisomount is still in the NEW queue :p
<Toadstool> re
<Gloubiboulga> heya Toadstool
<LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, the i386 queue especially is backed up
<Toadstool> hi Gloubiboulga
<Gloubiboulga> hi all :)
<bddebian> Heyathink cups did anything special for that
<shawarma> Amaranth: Ah. i thought you were just looking for how to make stuff run as non-root.
<Amaranth> shawarma: I am
<Amaranth> shawarma: For my package
<shawarma> Amaranth: Well... start-stop-daemon has some options to make that happen.
<shawarma> Amaranth: you tell it which user, and it does the magic.
<shawarma> Amaranth: Cups does som e magic of its own.
<shawarma> Amaranth: it has to start as root to bind to port 631.
<shawarma> Amaranth:  and then it drops root privs.
<shawarma> Well, I'm off for dinner.
<shawarma> again, if any MOTU's get bored, can you please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2803 ?
<shawarma> Cheers!
<kmilo> Hi
!lilo:*! Happy system administrator appreciation day, to all and sundry :)
<LaserJock> hi kmilo
<LaserJock> hmm, do you think Keybuck would be around or is it weekend time for


packages
<bddebian> I e-mailed him a month or more ago showing him your work plus a couple of little tweaks I made for 0.10 and have never heard anything back.
<bddebian> Yeah, I hate diverging too but this thing is waay old and still fairly actively maintained upstream
<bddebian> lfittl: Do you do a lot of game packages?
<lfittl> bddebian: some, I am actually interested in game development, and as soon as i am a MOTU I plan to help the MOTU Games team out ;)
<bddebian> Ah cool.  You don't happen to know what happened to persia/Emmet do you?
<lfittl> bddebian: the only game package I maintain atm. is anagramarama
<lfittl> no idea, sry
<bddebian> NP
<lfittl> bddebian: do you have any interest in taking the package over in debian? (might be the best solution)
<bddebian>Hmm, not much but I could probably get a sponsered upload
<lfittl> as I am trying to get involved into debian at the moment, I would be interested in adopting it
<lfittl> bddebian: would it be a problem for you if I would take your package (not now, maybe sometime next week, so you could upload it to ubuntu before that), mention your work in the changelog and continue maintaining it in debian?
<bddebian> lfittl: Well I don't exactly have one yet because of the new build system :-(
<bddebian> slomo_: You awake?
<bddebian> Frick I hate weekends
<bddebian> shawarma: How about you?
<lfittl> bddebian: hmm, what problems are there, except from the Makefile requiring the themes?
<bddebian> Well that's where I stopped.
<lfittl> and upstream has the makefile that needs the themes in the binary branch,


some fun
<Hobbsee> hehe
<Kamping_Kaiser> ping, oh godly ones? is it an ok thing for a package no not find the gpg key when downloading source?
<Kamping_Kaiser> gpg: Signature made Thu 02 Mar 2006 17:20:16 CST using DSA key ID A7D91602
<Kamping_Kaiser> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
<Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: specify the key with -kyourkeyid
<Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: ohhh...yeah, that, yeah.
<StevenK> Kamping_Kaiser: Depends. What does apt-key list say?
<Kamping_Kaiser> StevenK, gpg: can't access `/etc/apt/trustdb.gpg': Permission denied
<Kamping_Kaiser> probably it
<TheMuso> run with sudo
<StevenK> Yes, sudo is it.
<Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.ca/104994
<slomo_> can someone confirm that gpg --search-keys "" crashes?
<slomo_> and gpg --search-keys "o" works
<Kamping_Kaiser> crash
<Kamping_Kaiser> slomo_, http://pastebin.ca/104996
<slomo_> ok
<cbx33> hi all
<Kamping_Kaiser> hi
<slomo_> Kamping_Kaiser: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnupg/+bug/54434  <--- please set to confirmed :)
<Ubugtu> Malone bug 54434 in gnupg "crashes when searching for a key which contains a unicode character" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
<cbx33> opinionsremember complaining to the author of knetworkmanager at suse, and he said he would have a look after 10.1 is out.
<Hobbsee> StevenK: latest 650 has a ralink driver.  grumble.
<danimo> Hobbsee: (he was in release-stress)
<Hobbsee> danimo: ah right....
<Hobbsee> danimo: when is knetworkmanager's release?
<danimo> Hobbsee: I think suse just packages it from svn
<danimo> Hobbsee: so should we
<danimo> Hobbsee: or harrass the guys to do official releases
<Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, that'd be a plan.  volunteering for the svn grabbing and packaging?
<imbrandon> hehe
<danimo> Hobbsee: d'oh :)
<danimo> Hobbsee: does that make any sense w/o being on edy?
<danimo> edgy even
* danimo considers to upgrade his computer at uni to edgy
<Hobbsee> danimo: sure.  pbuilder.
<imbrandon> danimo: yea i build dapper and edgy packages on sid sometimes ( pbuilder )
<imbrandon> or a chroot ;)
<danimo> Hobbsee:


look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2812 please?
<shawarma> bddebian: What's up? you've been pinging me for /win 1
<shawarma> bddebian: whoops.
<bddebian> shawarma: Yeah, I lost your debdiff url
<shawarma> bddebian: ah. http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/axiom-merge.diff
<shawarma> bbiab
<shawarma> re
<bddebian> wb shawarma :-)
<bddebian> shawarma: OK if I upload with your changelog entry?
<shawarma> bddebian: Thanks. it's incredible how much you get done when your internet connectio nis gone.
<bddebian> Heh
<shawarma> bddebian: Oh, definitely!
<bddebian> I'm hoping I didn't fsck something up because I filled up my /.  I lost the changelog file :-(
<shawarma> bddebian: Heh.
<shawarma> bddebian: hmm... even with axiom on the list, https://launchpad.net/people/shawarma/+packages is nowhere near impressive enough for the next TB meeting.
<Amaranth> if i upload my source package somewhere can someone help me figure out why it's not installing the init script anymore?
<shawarma> bddebian: I'll consider it a personal failureif I don't manage to become a MOTU before Edgy is released, so I've still got a few months. :-)
<bddebian> :-)
<bddebian> Hmm, I haven't looked at my package list lately
<Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/random/
<Amaranth> my broken package :P
<Amaranth> it creates the user on install but doesn't delete it on remove and it stopped installing the init script when i made it start creating the user
<shawarma> Amaranth: do yo have a debdiff between the package that works and the one that doesn't?
<Amaranth> no
<bddebian> shawarma: Uploaded, let's see if she builds :-)
<shawarma> Amaranth: ok
<Amaranth> the one that installed the init script was the same except for the willowng.postinst file
<shawarma> bddebian: coolness
<Amaranth> this one overwrote the files for that one
<shawarma> Amaranth: Ah. hm... When you remove the package, you DO remember --purge, right?
<shawarma> Amaranth:


bddebian: did you merge cernlib?
<bddebian> LaserJock: I thought I asked for a sync?
<bddebian> Let me look
<bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, I did merge it but I think there is an updated merge on it
<LaserJock> hmm, ok
<bddebian> Why, something wrong?
<LaserJock> well, I think MOTU Science is in good shape
<LaserJock> I was just tracking down stuff
<bddebian> LaserJock: Nah, I'm not done yet ;-)
<LaserJock> well, there looks to be only about 3 packages that need merge/sync
<LaserJock> the rest are straight syncs that we can mostly do later if they aren't automatically done at some point
<bddebian> LaserJock: Oh?  What are they? ;-)
<rave> hi hi
<LaserJock> lyx, savant, and seesat5 (which looks like a sync to me)
<LaserJock> I'm going to update plotdrop from the Debian side
<bddebian> Oh, I think cernlib is a sync now, Ithink I sent Debian my changes
<LaserJock> axiom and cernlib are probably taken care of
<LaserJock> xmakemol is done
<bddebian> Hello rave
<bddebian> I think I looked at savant at one point
<LaserJock> and I'll let ajmitch handle zope-zms
<bddebian> Yeah, Ididnt want to touch zope anythign and face the wrath ;-P
<LaserJock> hehe
<Amaranth> when something spits out "Terminated" it just segfaulted, right?
<bddebian> Possibly
<Amaranth> wow, i make stable things like start-stop-daemon segfault
<Amaranth> :P
<Amaranth> but it doesn't do it when i run it on my own, only when it's run in my init script
<Amaranth> oh, maybe it's the lsb stuff dying
<LaserJock> bddebian: that leaves tetex*, python-scipy, plotdrop, and gausssum for me to work on, good work dude
<Amaranth> start-stop-daemon successfully kills my daemon, then the init script dies
<bddebian> LaserJock: I was thinking about the tetex stuff but..


else must have taken the rest of that time
<Amaranth> I'm nearing the point where I have more lines in my debian/ dir than in the actual program. :P
<LaserJock> hehe
<LaserJock> I've seen a few of those
<Amaranth> I'll wait for ogra to come and save the day.
<LaserJock> lol
<LaserJock> he has a tendency of doing that sometimes :-)
<Amaranth> like the cdbs upload yesterday
<LaserJock> yep
<LaserJock> I got a laugh out of that
<Amaranth> Speak of the devil. :)
<Amaranth> ogra: Help! log_end_msg $? is segfaulting in my init script
<ogra> is log_end_msg 0 or 1 also segfaulting ?
<ogra> (it shouldnt  and doesnt here)
<Amaranth> it is
<Amaranth> the latest stuff is published in my branch
<ogra> you sourced the init-functions at the top ?
<Amaranth> start-stop-daemon is successfully stopping willowng then the script dies
<Amaranth> it works fine forok, so the only thing missing is enabling AIGLX in xorg.conf and having some kind of compositor (like compiz or metacity build with it)?
<crimsun> you need a compositor (like compiz), and you need to load the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. That's all.
<crimsun> Section "Extensions"
<crimsun>         Option  "Composite"     "true"
<crimsun> EndSection
<slomo> oh... how boring ;) i already have that so only metacity is missing now
<crimsun> yeah, almost too easy ;)
<crimsun> heck, I think with compiz you may not even need the entry in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... (iirc compiz loads the extension automatically)
<slomo> thanks :) i'll try it tomorrow then
<slomo> i hope we can get metacity build with that by default for edgy
<crimsun> np :)
#ubuntu-motu 2006-07-30
<crimsun> 'lo raphink :)
<raphink> hi


of timetable do you have?
<Hobbsee> TheMuso: not such a great one as semester 1, unfortunately - 9am classes almost every day.
<ajmitch> lucky you
<Hobbsee> HAH!
* Hobbsee got around the javascript.  by viewing the source of the webpage, and mangling it that way.
<imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee still got a question
<imbrandon> off the phone / vnc now
<imbrandon> sorry heh
<Hobbsee> TheMuso: bleh.  got a three hour break each wednesday.  yuck.
<TheMuso> That sucks.
<TheMuso> My first semester, I had a 5 hour break on Wednesdays.
<Hobbsee> ouchy
<TheMuso> Every week I told myself I would do something ulseful in that time, but 95% of the time, I didn't.
<Hobbsee> heh
* Hobbsee wasted her 3 hours each second week, most weeks in semester 1
<Hobbsee> apart from that, my timetable isnt so evil.
<Hobbsee> 6 hours straight willexplicit deps
<ajmitch> since they used to be needed
<slomo> yes, until the large mono split :)
<slomo> i wonder why beagle still depends on old sqlite lib
<slomo> tseng: ^--- ?
<ajmitch> do I still need to depend on libmono0?
<slomo> nope
<slomo> mono-jit depends on that
<ajmitch> great
<slomo> all dependencies are fine now (well, libsqlite0 isn't anymore in some minutes ;) )
<slomo> ajmitch: what do you think? libsqlite0 to recommends or to suggests?
<ajmitch> suggests
<ajmitch> I might hold off uploading f-spot to debian for about 2 days
<ajmitch> Too young, only 8 of 10 days old
<ajmitch> it's 2 days off going into testing
<slomo> hmm, i would really prefer it if you could upload f-spot to ubuntu first then... then we could already add it to the seed, get it moved into main by that and have


http://www.stellingwerff.com/?p=16
<slomo_> they fit much better with the current clearlooks gtk2 engine
<Gloubiboulga> slomo_, thanks, I'll test this right now :)
<Hobbsee> how do i make a file executable in debian/rules with debhelper?  pastebin of rules file is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/VplRFC53.html
<slomo_> Gloubiboulga: np :) gnome uses them already with the latest gnome-themes upload
<slomo_> Gloubiboulga: and if you need a sponsor for main for this (and janimo isn't there) feel free to ping me
<Gloubiboulga> slomo_, thanks again ;)
<Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, with chmod?
<Gloubiboulga> it'll work
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: i'd used the command on the second line to make it work for amarok, which uses cdbs.  unfortunately, you cant chmod +x a file in the source, and then expect it to be copied over as an exectable
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: and the idiot question of where do iit's in man dh_fixperms
<Gloubiboulga> slomo_, I'm fighting to make it work...
<Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, damn, it's something I have to remember of :)
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: :)
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: i'd already checked dh_strip, it's listed in debian maintainers guide. you've got uploads to main, dont you?
<Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, nop
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: didnt you go for them in the last meeting?
<Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, no, I'll go for core-dev at next TB
<zul_> heh heh...
<zul_> good luck
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: nice :)
<Hobbsee> as for zul_...
<Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, sorry, you'll have to find someone else to sponsor your upload ;p
<Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yeah, that's harder than it used to be
<zul_> Hobbsee: why dont you go for core-dev at the next tb meeting?
<Gloubiboulga> zul_, you'regoing for core-dev too? you're not already?
<Hobbsee> zul_: havent done enough?
<zul_> ah
<Hobbsee> zul_: well, i dont think i've done enough.


are sleeping :/
<mr_pouit> UTC-6 i think, and we are on UTC+2, so ^^...
<mr_pouit> ((no that's stupid ^^)
<Sp4rKy> :D
<slomo_> Sp4rKy: run lintian with -i... it will explain this better to you
<Sp4rKy> slomo_, i've done it , and look at the section of debian policy
<slomo_> Sp4rKy: ok, i assume the link is to the full path of the library instead of using a relative path
<slomo_> which then obviously breaks after installing the because
<slomo_> s/the because//
<Sp4rKy> yes
<Sp4rKy> and so ...
<Sp4rKy> what's wrong
<slomo_> the build system of the package
<Sp4rKy> because this link seems done with dh_link
<slomo_> oh
<slomo_> are you sure? then dh_link was used wrong ;)
<slomo_> where is this package?
<Sp4rKy> audacious
<Sp4rKy> i'll dput it now
<mr_pouit> Sp4rKy: why is there another Makefile in the package ?
<slomo_> Sp4rKy: can you give me the url?
<mr_pouit>:)
<Hobbsee> heh
<ScottK> Any MOTU hopefuls (or MOTUs for that matter ;-)) want to practice security uploads?
<coNP> ScottK: yea
<StevenK> I don't need to practise. :-P
<ScottK> See Bug #127718.  I'll be glad to help/advise.
<ubotu> Launchpad bug 127718 in lighttpd "lighttpd security fixes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127718
<coNP> looking
<ScottK> StevenK: I wouldn't imagine you would, but IIRC we have MOTUs that have never done a security upload.
* Hobbsee hasnt.  havent needed to
<StevenK> Personally, I consider it an esoteric skill
<Hobbsee> oh wait, yes i have.
<Hobbsee> as long as you remember the CVE syntax
<coNP> LP has forgotten me again :(
<Hobbsee> ScottK: you *do* realise that we have a copule of MOTU's who have never done a NEW package either?
<ScottK> Yes I do.
<ScottK> I even know who at least one of them is.
<StevenK> Me,


compiled from trunk and would like to create a .deb for it. any hint on how i can do that ?
<coNP> then how can I make this unpack & patch my sources?
<coNP> I got orig.tar.gz and .dsc and .diff.gz
<Hobbsee> use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
<coNP> wow, thanks Hobbsee
<coNP> zorglu_: what about the MOTU package update recipe (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate)?
<zorglu_> coNP: thanks, looking :)
<Hobbsee> evand: uploaded :)
<evand> Hobbsee: wonderful! thanks
<Hobbsee> no problem :)
* Hobbsee archives
<LucidFox> Does someone feel like reviewing? ^_^
<asisak> evand: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-bluetooth/0.9/gnome-bluetooth-0.9.1.tar.gz :D
<evand> ...ARR!
<Hobbsee> haha
<Hobbsee> poor evand
<asisak> it is an easy update, though
<evand> indeed, on it
<evand> just a single bug fix
<zorglu_> hmm i have to install pbuilder to rebuild vlc :)
<asisak> zorglu_: you don't *have to* ... :)
<zorglu_> asisak: really ? im reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/PackageUpdate and it end with a sudoneeded any more
<evand> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6149 If any sponsors have a moment to look it over, I'd very much appreciate it.
<asisak> yes, please help poor evand  :D
<evand> :)
<LucidFox> is it okay to use chrpath in debian/rules to remove rpaths from executables?
<zorglu_> asisak: is there an debuild option to ignore patch error ? or should i manually edit the diff ?
<asisak> zorglu_: you should check the patches
<Hobbsee> evand: looks fine
* Hobbsee testbuilds
<zorglu_> asisak: building this pacakge seems a LOT of works :)
<zorglu_> asisak: i will try another way. like static building :)
<zorglu_> static building of a mozilla package, youhou :)
<asisak> zorglu_: it is a hard way, but you can learn a lot from that
<Hobbsee> LucidFox: link?
<LucidFox> Hobbsee> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6063
<LucidFox> or actually
<LucidFox> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6138
<LucidFox> as it's the newer upload
<LucidFox> maybe I should


that out; thanks!  :-)
<opopanax> rebuilding the whole thing, just for grins
<opopanax> building gnucash 2.2.0, just to try it.
<opopanax> got it built with hbci support, and am starting to get a handle on how debian builds stuff
<opopanax> thanks for pointing me to that resource; it will be helpful next semester.
<opopanax> I'm Steven Ketelsen, you'll prolly see me around.
<jmg> oka wow... i just installed ubuntu-desktop on my gutsy laptop... and wow
<RAOF> No more xfce for you? :)
<TheMuso> RAOF: ??
<RAOF> TheMuso: ??
<RAOF> TheMuso: Hey :)
<TheMuso> RAOF: Hi. Your question... WHat do you mean
<RAOF> Oh, that was in reference to jmg discovering the joys of ubuntu-desktop
<TheMuso> Oh.
<RAOF> AFAIK, he was using xfce.  And gnome is awesome :)
<TheMuso> ah ok
* Hobbsee waves
<asisak> hey Hobbsee
<Hobbsee> :)
<asisak> please delete my Sync boinc_5.10.8-1 from Debian unstable (universe)" [Undecided,New]
<_wattazoum_> hello there
<frafu> geser, dholbach: thanks for your help
<fernando> somebody know why i receive the Error '553 Could not create file' with uploading to revu?
<porthose> MOTU's:  Could someone please comment/advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6147
<geser> frafu: the package needs fixing, so it would be better to let the developer ask except you want to help him to improve the package
<_wattazoum_> can someone tell me how to manage to get my application uploaded on multiverse ?
<geser> hroo772: looks good, did you test build the package in a gutsy pbuilder?
<hroo772> ill note that it built in amd64 and i386 once the i386 build finishes
<frafu> geser: I will talk to the developer about the problem and let him decide
<frafu> geser: thanks again


on and awake just now.
<ScottK> It syncs once per day automatically.
* ajmitch is doing it now
<ajmitch> I'm not exactly here & awake, since I'm at work
<ScottK> Perfect.
<StoneTable> Cool, thanks!  whiprush pestered me to come here and do this properly
<ajmitch> oh fun
* ajmitch is a whiprush fanboy ;)
<StoneTable> heh, me too.  He's a good drinking buddy ;)
<jussi01> gah, please, someone show me how to search bugs by tag (needs packaging)
<geser> jussi01: start at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs, open the Tags portlet and pick the one you want
<jussi01> geser: thank you. now please tell me how to get to that bugs page from launchpad front page.... if I click on bugs it doesnt come up...
<ScottK> jussi01: It's launchpad.  All the juicy bits are hidden.
<jussi01> lol
<ajmitch> StoneTable: right, it has syncedthere will be a update version of thunderbird
<crimsun> not a MOTU issue.
<vbabiy> crimsun: where should I ask
<crimsun> you shouldn't.
<vbabiy> crimsun: explain
<crimsun> first, assuming you mean the mail client, it hasn't been backported, which is the only way you'll see it in a [currently stable]  release.
<crimsun> second, thunderbird is a main source package.  MOTU doesn't care for main source packages, only universe & multiverse.
<vbabiy> crimsun: could i use this http://ubuntu.iuculano.it/dists/feisty/thunderbird/
<crimsun> you could, but you get to keep the pieces.  We do not support random crackpot repos.
#ubuntu-motu 2007-07-25
<vbabiy> O ok
<jwendell> Hi geser, i saw i've commented on my upload
<jwendell> TheMuso, could you review it now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6163
<RAOF> Sweet zombie jesus, why does our azureus package use CDBS and Debian's use raw debhelper?
<StevenK> Heh. Neat.
<RAOF> No.


Not neat.
* RAOF grumbles quietly in the background
<ajmitch> because someone though it'd be nice to change
<StevenK> Blame Fujitsu.
* RAOF blames Fujitsu
<StevenK> Actually, surely the changelog should say who is to blame.
<ajmitch> only if someone was helpful enough to document it
* RAOF suspects jdong, if only because his name is last on our changelog.
<calc> RAOF: yea i looked at the azureus package and ran away from it quick
<calc> RAOF: i was going to merge it a while back but decided to leave it for the experts ;)
<RAOF> Right.  So, I'm going to do my darndest to ensure that we can just sync the darn thing in future.
<calc> probably figure out what is useful difference and then just add that to the debian version
<TheMuso> Hey RAOF, ajmitch, StevenK.
<RAOF>an amd64 in and hide it under a rug?
<RAOF> I've got my laptop, but no network access.  They hate m.
<ajmitch> surely the people at work won't notice if I stick a gutsy chroot on a server?
<StevenK> Heh
<TheMuso> haha
<ScottK> Unfortunately for me, "the people at work" is me, so I have to be responsible.
<Hobbsee> then just dont tell yourself that you're doing it then.    simple
<RAOF> That's where multiple-personalities come in handy
<ajmitch> ScottK: sadly that's often the case here as well
* ScottK understands.
* Hobbsee ponders going and voting
<ScottK> More fun to play "as long as I don't get caught".
<RAOF> Hobbsee: For what?
* ScottK wonders what for?
<Hobbsee> motu uvf team
<Hobbsee> dont you read the motu ML?
<RAOF> Ah.
* StevenK voted last night
<RAOF> The "going" somewhat confused me.
<Hobbsee> RAOF:


the ghosts of azureus and eclipse after the retreating back of Fujitsu.
<Fujitsu> Nooo.
<Fujitsu> I never even touched eclipse :(
* TheMuso returns
<Fujitsu> What are everyone's thoughts about reasonable timeouts for bugs?
<RAOF> 2 months seems reasonable to me
* Hobbsee --> out
<ajmitch> 2 hours
<RAOF> LP as IRC bugtracker :)
<Fujitsu> I generally use about 3 months, I think.
<StevenK> Besides, even if the sync doesn't meet Build-Depends, it will DEPWAIT and not fail.
<Fujitsu> I love Kmos' responses to bug #127348
<ubotu> Launchpad bug 127348 in launchpad "Bug comment form not expandable in Firefox 1.0.8" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127348
<RAOF> Eeep.
<ajmitch> oh dear
<ajmitch> that's just nuts
<TheMuso> WHo is Kmos?
<Fujitsu> Marco Rodrigues (gothicx)
<ajmitch> someone being overly helpful on bugs, by the look of things
<ScottK> AKA the guy that tried to merge the motumedia and ubuntu-motu teams in LP.
<TheMuso>ah. I wish people would use the same nick on LP and IRC>
<Fujitsu> Nah, thta'd be too easy.
<Fujitsu> ScottK: Was that him? I forget.
<ScottK> Yeah.
<TheMuso> Interesting comments indeed.
<ScottK> RAOF: Maybe he'd want to merge azureus.  That would keep him busy for a while.
* Fujitsu likes bug #126516
<ubotu> Launchpad bug 126516 in malone "would like limited access control for status field changes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126516
<StevenK> ScottK: Argh!
* Fujitsu wouldn't complain
<TheMuso> That is an interesting bug.
<TheMuso> I'd be enclined to agree myself.
* ajmitch thinks it is necessary
<Fujitsu> It does seem really stupid to allow anybody to make a bug completely vanish, but restrict them from just sending it up or down the listings a bit.
<ScottK> I thought Won't Fix and Invalid were already controlled.
<Fujitsu> Won't Fix and Triaged are.
<ScottK>


with them in which I got a very shiny and useable opensuse 10.1 KDE desktop.
<ScottK> Only one little problem.
<ScottK> No way to update it.
<Fujitsu> It's OpenSUSE?
<TheMuso> ScottK: Oh lovely.
<ScottK> Is it?  I thought they changed it to opensuse.
<RAOF> Ooops, I think I know why eclips FTBFS: debian/control wasn't regenerated for Ubuntu.
<Fujitsu> I'm not sure of the capitalisation, but I was pointing out that that was a problem.
<ScottK> Yeah.  They completely switched to a brand new update system that was added (and the old one removed) after the last public test release.
<Fujitsu> RAOF: That's not a valid excuse for not building.
<ScottK> It didn't go well.
<Fujitsu> Why should it need regenerating?
<RAOF> Fujitsu: Why not?  The build-deps are wrong until the control file is regend
<Fujitsu> Sounds Must use Debian package management system.  3.  Must have KDE.  4.  Must have a decent server version.
<ScottK> Thus I'm here.
<ajmitch> ubuntu has a decent server version?
<ScottK> Recently I've added no patent crack from MS to my list.
<RAOF> ajmitch: I'll fight you to the death about it's green-ness
<ScottK> ajmitch: For my purposes yes.
<ajmitch> ScottK: problem is that different people have different requirements for a server distro, and ubuntu hasn't really fulfilled all that so far
<ScottK> Agreed.
<ajmitch> it'd be fine for me (except I use debian) :)
<ScottK> All the piece parts are there for a great mail server, but you do have to know how to turn the knobs.
<TheMuso> Ubuntu will be fine when I get my server built
* ajmitch is just using a classic


soon
<man-di> StevenK: for sear 0.6.3
<man-di> StevenK: do you mean in debian or ubuntu?
<StevenK> You can't just upload it to Debian? :-)
<StevenK> Ubuntu
<man-di> StevenK: no, because it doesnt build
<StevenK> 0.6.3 doesn't? Neat.
<man-di> StevenK: 0.6.1 (current debian unstable) doesnt build with eris in unstable and 0.6.3 (new upstream) doesnt build with current guichan
<man-di> I bet 0.6.1 doenst build with current guichan either
<man-di> it depends on guichan 0.5.0
<man-di> and there were major api changes in guichan 0.5.0 -> 0.6.0
<man-di> there is already guichan 0.7.0 coming soon
<man-di> I sponsor the maintainer and I said to him if you want to get it in, send me patch that makes it work with sear too
<man-di> (just in case upstream is not faster)
<man-di> StevenK: I think I have described the mess now a bit
<jussi01> goodway to deal with old config.guess and config.sub files in the orig.tar.gz ?  Just nuke them with symlinks to the ones in /usr/share/misc in the rules file ??
<NCommander> jmarsden, just replace them in a build rule, and remove them in a clean rule; dpkg-source will not note a file has been removed
<jmarsden> NCommander: OK, thanks.
<NCommander> anyone got a PPA full of intrepid packages? I need to test something
<NCommander> nice netsplit
<RAOF> NCommander: I've got some Intrepid pakcages in the nouveau ppa?
<NCommander> RAOF, thanks, I'm stress testing the parsing code to see how big a PPA it can handle before things begin to crawl
<RAOF> Ah.  My PPA isn't very big; just libdrm & xserver-xorg-video-nouveua
<NCommander> RAOF, I don't see and dist intrepid packages in the nouveau PPA
<NCommander> actually
<NCommander> there


working on Bazaar brances
<coppro> I need to re-write the code for generating the docs & python packages though :(
<NCommander> coppro, try rewriting a 1,000 line file retriever in raw C :-P
<coppro> owch
<coppro> bash should totally give an error if you <file >file
<NCommander> coppro, set noclobber
<coppro> does that stop that only, or all > clobbers?
<coppro> wow, I'm on an absolute roll today, I just ran rm * in my home directory ><
<StevenK> Woot
<StevenK> Yay for backups
<coppro> unfortunately, due to a number of unfortunate circumstances, I have no backups right now!
<coppro> fortunately, I don't keep anything of value in ~, but in subdirectories
<RAOF> Grrr, stupid maple truncating it's files before saving, then freezing part-way though.
<coppro> lol
<RAOF> Write to a frikkin temporary file, then assume atomic renames, damnit!
<NCommander> coppro, it's beenOr it won't build.
<StevenK> NCommander: And? :-)
<NCommander> It's got to be awesome to be able to work at canonical on Ubuntu
<wgrant> StevenK: You are now an Evil One, see.
<StevenK> Apparently.
<directhex> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.16), apache2-threaded-dev (>= 2.2), libmono-dev, po-debconf
 * NCommander doesn't find StevenK evil
<directhex> anyway, looks like the substitution is based on debian/changelog, which is safe enough
<wgrant> directhex: If it doesn't build-depend on it, it won't matter what order they're built in.
<directhex> so no worries
<NCommander> If nothing else, he's a saint for actually downloading mono's tarball over an AU internet connection
<directhex> perhaps i've grown numb to it, after 2 years of unofficial backports
<StevenK> Ooh, mono builds
<directhex> that & a university internet connection, and all the compute power money can buy
<StevenK> Ish
<directhex> StevenK, ish? i need to know


/usr/share/<packagename>
<norsetto> RainCT: ah ok, makes sense
<k0p> RainCT, sure. ok
<RainCT> k0p: I'd say /usr/lib/python.. is only for shared modules, but the best would be to ask in #debian-python (irc.oftc.net) to be sure
<k0p> sure RainCT thanks
<RainCT> k0p: you're welcome. btw, I'd add python-psyco as a Suggests
<k0p> sure.
<k0p> thanks
<k0p> i'll do apt-get source python-psyoc
<k0p> python-psyco
<RainCT> k0p: no need to get the source for it. I mean adding a "Suggests: python-psyco" line to debian/control to indicate that the application supports psyco
<RainCT> (psyco is an optimizer which can make Python applications faster -but using more memory-)
<k0p> oh
<k0p> sure
<k0p> I understand
<k0p> yeap
<k0p> I forgot. Thanks RainCT :)
<k0p> you're great
<k0p> well. truth .. I don't know about suggests
<k0p> RainCT, i'll awser in debian-python :)
<RainCT> k0p: Well, you already know Depends, but beside those there areso it should move to universe.
<geser> slytherin: will you file a bug for it?
<slytherin> geser: Or should we wait till package is updated in Debian? I also want to do a bit more experimenting and see if it builds with GCJ with a patch to replace sun specific apis.
<geser> slytherin: like you want, you know more about java packages than me
<Syntux> Hey, what to do with keys that starts with _ in .desktop file?
<slytherin> Ok. I will be donw with it by weekend.
<slytherin> geser: Can you please help fixing this FTBFS - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15969377/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.libmatthew-java_0.7.1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
<geser> slytherin: would unsetting LDFLAGS fix it?
<slytherin> geser: no idea. Don't know much about gcc and ld. :-)
<geser> slytherin: will try it later out, I'm in a meeting right now
<slytherin> ok
<slytherin> geser: FYI ... team report


norsetto: o/
<norsetto> emgent: heil to the wm lord!
<jcastro> hi norsetto
<emgent> heil? -.-
<emgent> heya Jorge
<jcastro> norsetto: do you remember the # of the ticket you were having a hard time with?
<jcastro> hi emgent!
<norsetto> jcastro: what ticket? My request for a mailing list?
<jcastro> yeah
<jcastro> and what was the list?
<norsetto> jcastro: I just did it through launchpad, I don't remember any ticket number :-(
<jcastro> ah ok
<jcastro> so you have a list now?
<norsetto> jcastro: the mentoring reception team one
<jcastro> oh
<norsetto> jcastro: nope, you rejected the request
<jcastro> oh, right. Want to put it as another MOTU list?
<jcastro> I think that was why (Sorry I am drowning in lists)
<norsetto> jcastro: well, if mentoring new contributors is a solely MOTU activity than yes (but find it strange)
<jcastro> say, ubuntu-motu-mentoring?
<jcastro> oh, I see
<jcastro> there's a MOTUfrom my point
<huats> (but norsetto is the big chief)
<huats> :)
<jcastro> norsetto: ok, can you fire off an email to rt@ubuntu.com with the new description and mention that it needs to  be private and I'll approve it as soon as it hits the queue?
<jcastro> sorry about all this running around. :-/
<norsetto> jcastro: -admin seems more appropriate, we are really dealing with administartion
<norsetto> startion ? oh well ...
<norsetto> jcastro: ok, email on the way, thx
<Riddell> Iulian: "Library using gtkmm" that really doesn't quality for a long description
<Iulian> Riddell: Are you talking about the gtkmm-utils package?
<Riddell> Iulian: yes
<Iulian> Riddell: Okay, let me have a look at it.
<slytherin> geser: I am not much familiar with jni but if I find any clue after reading the comments I will let you know.
<Riddell>


that batik is fixed. :-)
<siretart> slytherin: does fop build yet?
<Iulian> Riddell: I'll paste the revu link here because I don't have upload permission to ubuntu.
<slytherin> siretart: No. LucidFox is working on it. I have already told him fix for one problem.
<siretart> k
<LucidFox> slytherin> And it doesn't work :)
<LucidFox> /tmp/buildd/fop-0.94.dfsg/build.xml:1025: javadoc doesn't support the "depends" attribute
<LucidFox> wait
<slytherin> LucidFox: you put at the wrong place. I means javadocs target not the javadoc task. Just few line above where you have currently put it.
<LucidFox> slytherin> Hmm
<LucidFox> javadocs already depends on codegen
<slytherin> LucidFox: Line 983 to be precise
<LucidFox> which depends on init
<slytherin> LucidFox: Right I failed to notice that. :-(
<slytherin> LucidFox: What is exact error you are getting currently?
<LucidFox> Gah... didn't save it
<LucidFox> An IOException, I'll post it after rerunning pbuilder
<slytherin> LucidFox:Though, I'm listed in the uploaders.list
<cody-somerville> Jazzva, are you using the e-mail address associated with your gpg key?
<Jazzva> cody-somerville, yep
<Jazzva> cody-somerville, this might explain it "If you don't create an Elgamal key, you will be able to upload to REVU but not to recover your password, and hence, to login on the web interface. "
<cody-somerville> Jazzva, have you uploaded anything yet?
<Jazzva> cody-somerville, on previous REVU...
<cody-somerville> Jazzva, upload something and your account will be created
<Jazzva> cody-somerville, thanks. I think that'll wait for a while, until I package something new...
<cody-somerville> Jazzva, why do you want to login then?
<Jazzva> cody-somerville, to post a review on one package... AFAIK, everyone can comment now, so I thought to make it easier for other MOTU reviewers...
<cody-somerville> Right
<slytherin> Jazzva: what do you mean by previous


slytherin: Thanks.
<slytherin> persia: The question remained unanswered, who is original-maintainer
<norsetto> slytherin: if you have completely changed the packaging, it would be you
<persia> slytherin: In this case, you, as you'll be the expert on the packaging.
<slytherin> norsetto: of course packaging had to change since it is now a java app. And I feel cdbs is easy to use when it comes to java apps/libs
<norsetto> slytherin: you could have tried debhelper 7, seems to be neat
<slytherin> norsetto: Will try with some other app. This one has been pending for long time. tuxmaniac was specifically interested in the update as he is member of motu-science.
<slytherin> By the way, when is next motu-council meeting?
<persia> slytherin: All MOTU Council actions take place on the mailing list (or on IRC).  Was there someits just an header problem, check where those symbols are defined
<Legendario> norsetto, sorry, but i thought you could tell me by de error output
<norsetto> huats: argh!!!! norsetto-huats: 2-2, ball back to the center
<huats> :)
<Legendario> norsetto, which symbols?
<norsetto> Legendario: the weed_ stuff
<Legendario> norsetto, i have no idea. I don't understand a thing about coding and i am just begginning to package...
<norsetto> Legendario: library packaging is not really ideal for beginners, I see for instance that you are not setting the soname
<norsetto> Legendario: and it looks like you are using the same library for linking as the one you are building
<Legendario> norsetto, that's why i am here. Cause i want to learn. What am I supposed to do?
<Legendario> i believe that's something from the upstream
<norsetto> Legendario: try to start with


GPL3
<NCommander> The only thing I can see that are LGPL are some of the plugins
<persia> cody-somerville: No.  LGPL 2.1 had the fixes to be GPL 3 compatible.  LGPL 2 was GPL 2 compatible, but not by direct replacement (although relicensing was acceptable).
 * persia prefers debian/copyright to specify the actual licenses of the code, rather than just some random overall license
 * RAOF was always under the impression that was actual _policy_.
<NCommander> The overall license of the code though is GPL3
<persia> If code from LGPL 3 and GPL 3 is mixed in a single file, the file becomes GPL 3, but if the code is in separate files, it is interesting to preserve that separation to allow other LGPL 3 projects to use the LGPL 3Have you recovered from your accidental starvation? :-)
<cody-somerville> I only get 20 minutes to eat?! Sheesh. This is a shadier job than I thought.
<NCommander> cody-somerville, lol
<jmarsden> cody-somerville: Hehe... I got my food when you mentioned food... and my plate is now empty, so... :-)
<cody-somerville> jmarsden, I haven't moved yet
<cody-somerville> I'm still trying to shake off everyone else
<jmarsden> cody-somerville: Ah, OK... shake them harder :-)
 * jmarsden returns to fridge, thinking... "dessert?"
<RoAkSoAx> hey guys, can someone re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring please? thanks :)
<jmarsden> Incidentally, is there a (security?) reason why REVU doesn't just look for and grab a new key from keyserver.ubuntu.com when someone uploads a package to REVU and it doesn't have a matching key already??
 * jmarsden has returned with strawberries and icecream :-)
<RoAkSoAx> nellery, i


strange.  Can you pastebin debian/control?
<SolarWar> RAOF, is that for my benefit ?
<RAOF> SolarWar: No, for posingaspopular
<SolarWar> RAOF i have created a separate debug package for this application, does this package contain debug information only? or should it contain the whole application with debug information?
<posingaspopular> yes
<RAOF> SolarWar: Just the debug symbols.
<RAOF> If you've done it with dh_strip, at least.
<SolarWar> RAOF i'm assuming that debian tells gdb where to look for these symbols then?
<RAOF> Right.
<posingaspopular> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/29502/
<posingaspopular> i was just trying to follow along with daniel...
<RAOF> Your description needs to be space-indented; each line of the description needs to start with a space.
<RAOF> Otherwise it thinks that each of those lines is meant to be another field, like Maintainer: me <foo@me.com>, and it gets confused :)
<jmarsden> RAOF: and line 13,need volunteers to run buildds (REVU is running on a sparc box so it can't work)
<RAOF> Syntux: We don't, directly.  You go through the normal Debian process.
<RAOF> Syntux: That means, for new packages, searching the BTS and filing an ITP if there isn't one already, then generally mentors.debian.net (the revu equivalent).
<wgrant> NCommander: We have sufficient amd64 power. The problem is creating a secure enough buildd.
<NCommander> wgrant, use LVM to create snapshots of the chroot jail
<wgrant> NCommander: I guess that removing network access except to a local mirror and recreating the domU each time would work.
<Syntux> RAOF, I see
<NCommander> Yeah, that's the hard part, unless we simply make reviewers choose to make it build
 * NCommander grumbles
<RAOF> wgrant: I think you've described pretty much the PPA setup, yeah.
<NCommander>


half and basically if you don't believe it's getting better you are by definition not credible.
<NCommander> I don't really think its worse, but its not better by any measure
 * NCommander kicks REVU again
<StevenK> Careful, REVU might kick back.
<NCommander> Nah, I got this beast (mostly) tamed
<wgrant> NCommander: Having issues with the Config module being dodgy?
<NCommander> wgrant, yup
<NCommander> wgrant, how'd you know?
 * NCommander just cheated and hardcoded the proper path in since it isn't effecting REVU proper
<NCommander> *affecting
<wgrant> NCommander: It needs to be passed a mod_python Request object in most cases to work out where the config is. I hardcoded the config in the production instance when one of my recent changes broke something.
 * NCommander finally thinks he got commenting working now
<NCommander> wgrant, yeah, I discovered that.+0200
<siretart> uploaded to ubuntu on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:05:47 +0200
<kees> siretart: ah! cool, I missed it (I was scanning the changelog for a CVE#)  thanks!
<siretart> kees: I uploaded it to debian before I was aware that it got attention by CVE.
<siretart> that's why there is no CVE number. the number got assigned only later
<kees> siretart: yup, totally cool.
#ubuntu-motu 2008-07-24
<cyberix> I just created a new version of a package and posted it to Launchpad. How do I get it in? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/malbolge/+bug/251311
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 251311 in malbolge "new upstream version available" [Undecided,Fix committed]
<poolie> hell cyberix
<poolie> hello*
<poolie> cyberix: in to ubuntu or into a ppa on launchpad?
<NCommander> o_O;
<poolie> anyhow, google 'ubuntu motu guide' or 'launchpad ppa quickstart' as appropriate
<beuno> cyberix, https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
<beuno> https://help.launchpad.net/  contains all kinds of great help


package?
<gnomefreak> is ther ea reason why updates just now(i got them just now) installed nvidia drivers that i dont need?
<NCommander> persia, new package, which was sponsored and advocated, but rejected because none of us noticed that a few of the files are LGPL; the archive admin caught it and rejected
<persia> NCommander: Stuff it back on REVU with a comment about that.  Should be able to go up with only a fingle review.
<NCommander> Yeah, I'l rebuilding it now just for good measure
<NCommander> (I decided to clarify why I have a lintian override in the package to disable a warning)
<persia> which warning?
<NCommander> script-not-executable
<NCommander> code blocks ships sample files for all of its lexers to allow users to test to make sure they are actually working
<persia> And why shouldn't itoperation, it's cruft.
<mcasadevall_> persia, sorry
<mcasadevall_> X11 decided it wanted to commit suidice
<NCommander> persia, looking at the code, the sample files are actually used it seems
<NCommander> I don't know for what
<NCommander> But I don't feel conformable moving them
<NCommander> persia, here's where and how they're used, given the scenario, its not meant to be an executable script
<NCommander> http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Creating_a_custom_lexer_for_Code::Blocks_editor#Sample_Code
<persia> NCommander: Ah.  So it's not so much an actual script as an example of one of the supported data formats.  Must it be loaded from a specific directory?  I'm still tempted by .../examples although I've been convinced it needn't be executable.
<NCommander> persia, not with actually moving the lexer files themselves; (the lexers are .xml's, which specify the sample, and they don't appear to handle ../)
<persia> NCommander: You've convinced me,


really want to use it . and i tried using make too but it didn't help
<murlidhar> RAOF: any channel where i could get help from?
<RAOF> #ubuntu may be able to help you; that's the correct channel.
<RAOF> Or finding the upstream mailing list/channel and asking there.
<murlidhar> RAOF: in compiling stuff ?
<RAOF> murlidhar: Indeed.
<murlidhar> k
<Yasumoto> does anyone know what's the command to find the version of a package you're using? I blame my late-niht eyesight for not finding it in the man pages/wiki yet
<gpocentek> Yasumoto: dpkg -l <pkg>
<Yasumoto> thanks gpocentek
<Yasumoto> If someone has some time, would you mind double checking my debdiff at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tftp-hpa/+bug/73233 ? thanks a bunch :)
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 73233 in tftp-hpa "no ipv6 support (use udp4 in inetd.conf)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
<directhex>        Status:my lintian override isn't quite working (I made it file specific, and obviously I did it wrong >.<)
<cyberix> directhex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/msk/+bug/210098
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 210098 in malbolge "Insufficient input sanitization leads to arbitrary code execution" [Undecided,Confirmed]
<Riddell> NCommander: at the end of the "Additionally, most" paragraph I'd put ", version 3 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-3.0.html"
<directhex> bah, i can't get an app compiled with bfc to run with mono
<NCommander> Riddell, having the path to /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-3 isn't enough?
<Riddell> NCommander: well, it's important to be clear about the version these days
<Riddell> NCommander: and leave out from "if not" in the next paragraph, FSF addresses go out of date and the fsf URL is a substitute.
<NCommander> Riddell, you think its overkill to individually list every file with that is under the LGPL?
<NCommander> (I've never seen another package do


a bottle, you don't look at it enough :)
<norsetto> huats: ah! today, but the old name wasn't!
<huats> :)
<norsetto> huats: thats the problem with youth, I'm quite sure you don't even know what absinthe was
 * directhex is in the mood for some fine cuban rum
<huats> norsetto: sure I know...
<huats> the fact that I don't drink it
<Syntux> For the sake of learning packaging from scratch, packaging php apps and volunteering to give an IRC session about it, I'm interested in packaging CodeIgniter PHP framework but I'm not sure if it's license fits our table http://paste.syntux.net/bin/60
<huats> doesn't mean I don't know it
<huats> :)
<tristil> Is this a good place to mention a change in hardy-proposed?
<directhex> Syntux, never use a well-understood well-regarded license when a subtly different homebrew one will suffice!
<norsetto> Syntux:than libsqlite3.so.0). I noticed in the build log 'dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: Can't extract name and version from library name `libsqlite3.so'. Is there an obvious fix for that?
<norsetto> ScottK: I sent an email to the guy packaging it in Debian
<directhex> smagoun, doesn't ring any bells, but i'm more used to .net linking
<slytherin> does anyone have any idea why am I getting this error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/30078/
<smagoun> persia: if you're still awake, any ideas about the dpkg-shlibdeps error ^^^^ ?
<Awsoonn> well, in effort to learn a bit today, I want to fix Bug #243948 for intrepid. I'm a bit confused at the prossess though I guess
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 243948 in apt "Documentation for apt-get "purge" is sort of hard to understand" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243948
<norsetto> Awsoonn: personally, I think that bug is not valid
<Awsoonn>


easy way out, we will install those examples ;-)
<huats> :)
<huats> ok...
<huats> but right now I don't see how...
<huats> I said right now :)
<norsetto> devfil: you took care of wxwidget or am I wrong?
<devfil> norsetto: you're right
<norsetto> devfil: I just stumbled upon bug 251507. Care to give it a look?
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 251507 in wxwidgets2.6 "Package libwxgtk2.6-0 is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251507
<norsetto> devfil: he is talking about ps3, I think that would be the powerpc arch
<ScottK> ps3 is PPC.
<Laney> Anyone got a URL to a good list of bugs that need fixing? Just triaged in Ubuntu?
<ScottK> Laney: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
<Laney> ScottK: Ubuntu for now, I don't run Kubuntu
<ScottK> OK.  I've got a need, but it needs Kubuntu, so nevermind.
<Laney> ScottK: Ah right. I was after an LP query thaton it?
<StevenK> NCommander: Maybe later.
<NCommander> StevenK, busy I take it?
<StevenK> Distracted by $WORK and would rather not context switch
 * RAOF likes the _distracted_ by work aspect.
<NCommander> lol
<NCommander> RAOF, how about you?
<RAOF> I could be persuaded to stop hitting myself with autofoo and do something else.
 * Hobbsee hits RAOF with a brick
<NCommander> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/revu/+spec/revu2 - my plans for the next revision of REVU ;-)
<RAOF> Hobbsee: Thank you.  Just what I was after :)
<Hobbsee> hehe
 * NCommander thanks Hobbsee
<Hobbsee> you're welcome :)
 * NCommander is working out how to determine which key generated a signature on an upload
<NCommander> I have the GPG fingerprint, and I have the LP username for every fingerprint, I just need to figure out how to determine the former from the signatures
<NCommander>


queue later today
<slytherin> geser: yes both of them are
<murrayc_> huats: I was investigating. I will reply now.
<huats> murrayc_: oh ok :)
<huats> murrayc_: thanks :)
<huats> murrayc_: take your time ... there is no rush...
<huats> but it is true that your feedback will be much appreciated
<Sikon> slytherin> fop has hit the archive!
<Sikon> Thanks for your help in making this possible, I've credited you in my post that should soon appear on planet.ubuntu.com
<Sikon> (that is, slytherin for fop)
<\sh> emgent: just backported moin 1.7 to hardy...and installed it...following the migration plan it's quite easy to upgrade
<directhex> is it being planned for official hardy-backports, or are you juest testing?
<slytherin> Sikon: :-D
<\sh> directhex: just testing
<\sh> directhex: I'll upload to my ppa and then others can test too :)
<slytherin> Sikon: Of course the fix wasand the art with this FAL
<joaopinto> what should I do ? Contact the author ?
<sistpoty|work> joaopinto: or ask on #ubuntu-devel for clarification (the gnu list gives only a rough overview, and is not always what archive admins make from it)
<joaopinto> ok, anyway I need to be sure it builds first :|
<joaopinto> any g++ expert to show me what is wrong with "static Sound *fromFile (const std::string &fileName);" ? the newer g++ produces the error pasted above
<sistpoty|work> joaopinto: I can find any pasted errors :P
<joaopinto> oh, I didn't paste the error, error: expected unqualified-id before '&' token
<joaopinto> hum, maybe I need some header file for std::string
<sistpoty|work> joaopinto: that would be <string>
<joaopinto> let's try before dpatch it
<NCommander> Is there anyone here who can run a few tests for me?
<NCommander> (I


it's good)
<huats> norsetto: regarding the example pb
<k0p> DktrKranz, sure.
<huats> would it be acceptable that I install the file using dh_install and not dh_installexamples ?
<norsetto> huats: good try, but nope :-)
<huats> :)
<DktrKranz> k0p: I won't be at home this eve (maybe only very late), if you ping me tomorrow, I can have a full review :)
<huats> norsetto: 2 things happen
<huats> the first each file of more than 4.5 K is gz by dh_installexamples
<k0p> DktrKranz, really? :D thanks
<k0p> DktrKranz, belive me, I'll ping :)
<DktrKranz> ;)
<norsetto> huats: thats normal and its policy
<huats> which means that in order to use the example (it is 1 single example that fall into say 20 files) you need to gunzip all of them
<huats> so the solution might be to use dh_installexamples
<huats> to move most ofYup, I know him.
<tuxmaniac> slytherin: ok
<RainCT> StevenK: thanks anyway :)
<slytherin> tuxmaniac: wait, I just saw that file is named only icon.png. It will be confusing. Leave it as it is.
<tuxmaniac> ok
<tuxmaniac> slytherin: is everything else fine?
<slytherin> tuxmaniac: well, there isn't much of anything to mess.
<tuxmaniac> yeah its the fastest package I have ever done :-) 10 minutes flat
<DktrKranz> vorian, re origami on REVU, I guess native package is just a upload mistake, isn't it?
<slytherin> any MOTU with java expertise (except me)around?
<NCommander> slytherin, I have a little
<NCommander> though I'm no MOTU
<slytherin> NCommander: I am looking for sponsor for 2 packages.
<NCommander> oh, so I'm no help :-P
<nhandler> Is the new Homepage field in debian/control a requirement for Standards-Version 3.8.0?
<slytherin> nhandler: ask lintian
<Laney> DktrKranz: Did you testbuild the guidedog upload of


restore it (eclipse should provide the same features)
<AnAnt> current version of eclipse (in both Debian & Ubuntu) are old
<DktrKranz> AnAnt, I'm not aware of any issues related to eclipse or swt-gtk, you may want to ask doko about it
<AnAnt> doko: ping
<Awsoonn>  sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 hardy /var/chroot/hardy http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
<Awsoonn> ww sorry
<RainCT> *** WARNING: Please avoid using REVU the next minutes as we are going to deploy an update with important code and databse changes.
<NCommander> hat warning
<jpds> RainCT: ok.
<NCommander> Oh
<tacone> will everything explode ? :-o
<NCommander> tacone, its my code going into production
<NCommander> So likely
<RainCT> if it does blame NCommander  :P
<tacone> omg !
<NCommander> yup
<NCommander> Blame me
<NCommander> Single signons for REVU are now going to be available
<jpds> tacone: I don't think NCommander is your God.
<DktrKranz> AnAnt, weekend time, youNCommander :)
* RainCT changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: REVU is being updated; please don't use it. | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com | TODAY - Another day!! Keep working. | Next MOTU meeting: Fr, august 8th, 4:00UTC
<SolarWar0> RainCT, is it possible to request a keyring resync after the update? :)
<RainCT> SolarWar0: it won't be necessary anymore - your keys will be synced after your first login
<SolarWar0> oh, thats good news :)
<NCommander> yeah
<NCommander> Its actually a pretty big update because it paves the way for much bigger improvements
<jpds> Now I can't have fun playing with scripts.
<NCommander> jpds, your a revu admin
<NCommander> We almost have everything fixed, one final bug to work


usual notation
<Iulian> Jazzva: It ends in .0.1.0.alpha1
<coppro> If dev versions end in an odd digiet, it's easy: http://sf/net/pkg/pkg-(.*[02468])\.tar\.bz2
<Jazzva> coppro, that won't work. It would accept pkg-03, but not pkg-0.3...
<Jazzva> Iulian, would 0.1.0 qualify as dev version too?
<Jazzva> Iulian, what's the link to the release page of your program/
<Jazzva> ?
<Jazzva> Iulian, found it
<Iulian> Jazzva: http://www.salasaga.org/ but it uses sourceforge too: http://sourceforge.net/projects/salasaga/
<Jazzva> Thanks :)
<jmarsden> RainCT: Anything else I need to do before you can sponsor/upload the koverartist debdiff for bug #236140 ?
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 236140 in koverartist "New .desktop file for KoverArtist" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236140
<Jazzva> Iulian, maybe the best would be to ask upstream what versioning are they using for dev and what for release versions. Based on that we can form regex that will skip dev versions.
<Iulian> Jazzva: Ok,thanks.
<Jazzva> Iulian, and maybe to suggest them nicely to use some formal scheme that can be easily parsed, in case they aren't. For example, Linux kernel uses odd numbers for minor version to mark development versions, and even to mark release versions.
<nellery> what command line input can be used to search a folder for a specific string?
<jmarsden> Iulian: If you want to experiment until you get an answer... I suspect you may find that pkg-[0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9]\.tar\.bz2  would be sufficient to avoid all alpha/beta/release candidate versions?
<jmarsden> nellery: grep -r string folder
<nellery> jmarsden, thanks!
<jmarsden> nellery: No problem.
<Iulian> jmarsden: I don't know if the next release will still be alpha, the current is alpha3 so I cannot avoid alpha candidate versions.
 * Iulian is mailing upstream.
<jmarsden> Iulian: So you are saying


worhsips vorian
<NCommander> someone else who said it!
<RainCT> NCommander: that would undo the Config.py changes
<NCommander> RainCT, bzr revert index.py
<RainCT> I'm too lazy :P
 * NCommander hits you over the head with his dak server
<vorian> NCommander: how are the accounts figured, seems mine reverted ...
<NCommander> vorian, we didn't migrate over user permissions. If you want reviewer/admin back, you need to merge your old one
<NCommander> The problem is here the lostpw function broke going into production, and I have yet to run down the cause
<vorian> weird
<NCommander> RainCT, Config.py hack applied
<NCommander> vorian, I just set you reviewer in the system
<vorian> ty
<NCommander> RainCT, can you please chown the logs folder so the revu1 user can read themn?
<NCommander> Oh
<NCommander> I just figured out why the password reseter doesn't work
<RainCT> apache's error.log?
<NCommander> er wait
<NCommander>or password. Back.
<NCommander> Er
<NCommander> Are you sure your using the right password?
<NCommander> REVU's are randomly generated
<NCommander> and there was never a change password function
<vorian> i understand that :)
<NCommander> Can you recover?
<vorian> haha
<vorian> There is no REVU account for vorian@ubuntu.com, yet.
 * NCommander falls backwards
 * vorian hands NCommander a redbull
<RainCT> it has already been merged
<NCommander> I take it you don't use REVU very often vorian?
<RainCT> NCommander: vorian's account has already been merged..
<vorian> I merged it when NCommander said i should about 30 minutes ago
<NCommander> RainCT, er no, I see a vorian@ubuntu.com in the uploaders list
<NCommander> oh wait
<NCommander> stupid cache
<vorian> my account seems fine now
<vorian> ah, pretty blue :)
<NCommander> I'm not the only one sick of brown ;-)
<RainCT> now, good night
<vorian> nn RainCT
<RainCT> it's half past 3 in


be automatic, I think
<wgrant> LaserJock: No. Maintainer and Changed-By have no significance in LP.
<LaserJock> or hmm
<wgrant> Apart from Changed-By being on the end of the fake changelogs.
<LaserJock> for some reason I was thinking I was automatically sub'd to my packages
<LaserJock> guess I must have done it myself ;-)
<LaserJock> hmm
<LaserJock> it seems to me that a "Maintain it in Debian or Ubuntu" ultimatum would be reasonable and broadly supported
<wgrant> When does dinstall run these days?
<LaserJock> the only question is perhaps how to determine what "maintanence" means in Ubuntu since we don't formally have that
<wgrant> Being set as the maintainer, subscribing to the package, handling bugs, not being on the UEHS alerts for too long...
<LaserJock> I suppose one could do a review at the end of one release
<LaserJock> where somebodyI did merge my REVU accounts
<LucidFox> with both sikon@lucidfox.org (which had MOTU capabilities) and sikon@ubuntu.com
<ScottK> OK.  Just checking.
<ScottK> My recommendation is kvetch at NCommander when he shows up.
<slytherin> I am trying to solve FTBFS for libpdfbox-java. In the rules file there is a line which copied all the font files found in the build dependencies to a particular folder of the library. This causes FTBFS due to multiple packages containing same fonts. What is correct way to handle this?
<tuxmaniac> LucidFox: I have added synopsis and author sections. the app does not have anything on options
<tuxmaniac> so I leave it blank? I dont know what to put in. Its a very simpe but useful app
<LucidFox> tuxmaniac> Just mention that it has no options
<tuxmaniac> LucidFox: ok
<tuxmaniac> LucidFox: updated the


files..once I have a basic idea of the basic packaging, then I will feel more confident of going for advanced ones...:-)
<bluekuja> kamalnandan, remember that you won't alwais package something from the beginning
<bluekuja> kamalnandan, I mean in the future, if you wanna improve, you'll have to work on some packages that got packaged by someone else
<bluekuja> kamalnandan, what you are doing now, it's what you should do with NEW packages only
<bluekuja> kamalnandan, but anyway that's a good way to start learning
<bluekuja> kamalnandan, ask to get into the mentoring program
<bluekuja> when you improve a little bit more
<kamalnandan> oh..ok...infact, i have been assigned to create an ubuntu package for a big project; the red hat package of which already exists...but when I sat down to work on that packaging, it appearedHey guys is it possible to request a sync but at the same time to make a change, so that sync+change are done in one upload?
<bluekuja> RoAkSoAx, I guess you're missing what a sync is then
<soren> RoAkSoAx: If you want to make a change, you just upload the new version. No need to sync the vanilla package from Debian first and then make the changes.
<bluekuja> soren, depends from what kind of changes debian has ready
<bluekuja> soren, usually it's good to not do useless changes preventing to merge them
<RoAkSoAx> bluekuja, soren . I've dropped all the changes in Ubuntu since they are now included upstream, however I still need to make a change to the .install file
<soren> bluekuja: Eh?
<soren> RoAkSoAx: Changes are changes.
<RoAkSoAx> so it would not actually be


a merge, just a sync, but applying a change
<soren> RoAkSoAx: That's what a merge is :)
<RoAkSoAx> soren, right but I've been explained before that if there are *no remaining changes* and I'm introducing new changes, it would first sync, and then apply my new changes
<bluekuja> soren, my point was to not change the package for an useless change
<bluekuja> soren, but I wanted RoAkSoAx to keep in touch with debian
<bluekuja> RoAkSoAx, yeah
<bluekuja> RoAkSoAx, ask the sync
<bluekuja> and then do your changes
<soren> ?!? When did we start doing this? What's the point?
<DktrKranz> what's the point asking for a sync, then apply changes again?
<bluekuja> DktrKranz, he wanted to apply new changes
<soren> So?
<bluekuja> new debian package included upstream changes
<RoAkSoAx> right but i've told before that I could do something like:
<RoAkSoAx> Sync frommissing or isn't configured by default" [Undecided,Confirmed]
<stochastic> Is there a proper way to edit patches with cdbs-edit-patch ?  I make the changes I need in the shell with nano, but upon exit, the created patch is empty... do I need to use a different editor?
<dtchen> stochastic: can you elaborate?
<jayteeuk> Mighty quiet in here...
<dtchen> stochastic: generally cdbs-edit-patch(1) is invoked with some arguments
<jayteeuk> pwnguin: tjaalton: Are either of you there?  You're both mentioned in Justin's post, dunno if you can help....
<jayteeuk> Right, I'm exhausted.  Time for bed.
<stochastic> dtchen, I run "cdbs-edit-patch 00_denemo_desktop.patch" then in the shell I execute "nano ../../pixmaps/denemo.desktop" edit the file, then on exit, an empty patch file is created
<Ampelbein> stochastic: does it make a difference if you run "cdbs-edit-patch debian/patches/00_den....patch" directly from the source?
<stochastic>


tests and things
<james_w> and needs libnotify integration :-)
<noodles775> Yes, some generalisations would be helpful... imagine the config for LP! :)
<slytherin> Any java packagers here for a cross review? :-)
<dstansby> Quick question: When you do 'apt-cache show [package name]' are you looking at binary packages or source packages?
<james_w> binary
<james_w> showsrc for source
<dstansby> james_w: Thanks :)
<directhex> slytherin, i'm told mono is a bad copy of java, so i can give a bad copy of a review, at best
<slytherin> directhex: here you go - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=excalibur-logger
<directhex> slytherin, changelog obviously needs a real bug number. but seems sane otherwise
<directhex> as far as cdbs is sane...
<slytherin> directhex: I was tols, as long as no one else is working on the package, bug number is not strictly necessary. :-)
<james_w> it's not
<james_w> if there's a needs-packaginggood god
<Laney> this is a bad situation
<savvas0> argh
<savvas0> sorry
<Laney> savvas0: maybe
<Laney> if you want to do it, please come and join pkg-haskell though
<Laney> Joachim is a good sponsor :)
<savvas0> I'm unfamiliar with the process, if I ever finish up with my exams, I will consider it :P
<Laney> there are lots of cabal libraries packaged
<Laney> you can copy those
<Laney> (plus there is cabal-debian on hackage which does lots of the hard work)
<savvas0> I've checked out the haskell-http looks pretty easy with the cdbs .mk file hehe
<hyperair> ...why do we have duplicate bots?!
<Laney> cabal-debian --debianize
<hyperair> hell, they're even fighting against each other now!
<savvas0> hm.. thanks!
<Laney> dunno
<Laney> skynet?
<hyperair> lolwut
<Laney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)
<savvas0> poke the #ubuntu-bots guys :)
<savvas0> (and/or girls, heh)
<wgrant> Laney: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/haskell.html
<Laney> wgrant: too kind
<wgrant> Laney: Please try to find any omissions.
<Laney> wgrant:


do next? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/osm-gps-map/+bug/387043
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 387043 in osm-gps-map "osmgpsmap python bindings placed in site-packages rather than dist-packages" [Undecided,Fix released]
<ubott2> Ubuntu bug 387043 in osm-gps-map "osmgpsmap python bindings placed in site-packages rather than dist-packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387043
<Laney> Add debdiff, subscribe sponsors, wait
<falktx> is this a good place to ask for help?
<Laney> depends what kind of help
<falktx> PPA
<falktx> build on PPC
<Laney> #launchpad
<falktx> thanks
<falktx> irc.ubuntu.com?
<AndrewGee> Laney: I've attached the debdiff and subscribed sponsors. It's been almost 3 weeks so far. Is this right?
<Laney> same server
<noodles775> Hi geser, I'm not sure if you check the scrollback, but just in case, I've updated the package after your review comments at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sphinxbase, if/when you have time.
<falktx> bye
<Laney> AndrewGee: Yes, just requires more patience... or more sponsors
<noodles775> And a general question for anyone, I'm packagingapps?
<RoAkSoAx> DktrKranz, don't forget to review lekhonee please. Thanks a lot :)
<TwoToneSpirit> Is the firefox-3.5 package now firefox-3.5 final?
<slytherin> TwoToneSpirit: yes
<TwoToneSpirit> slytherin: Cool.  I've been using it from the firefox-security repo for a while - if I install firefox-3.5 from the jaunty repo, will it automatically change the panel icon etc?
<slytherin> TwoToneSpirit: what panel icon?
<TwoToneSpirit> The firefox panel icon.  And also the shortcut under applications -=> internet
<slytherin> TwoToneSpirit: I am not sure. I have not used it.
<TwoToneSpirit> ok
<TwoToneSpirit> it's on my mother's computer, and obviously I just want it to be simple :-)
<TwoToneSpirit> Thank you though.  I have been enjoying this channel more and more - very important job here obviously
<slytherin> TwoToneSpirit: You can easily modify the panel icon.
<TwoToneSpirit> slytherin: Yeah, I was more just


rules file?
<RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp, /Makefile: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/223813/ , libipvs/Makefile: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/223811/ debian/rules: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/223814/
<fabrice_sp> RoAkSoAx, I don't see the point of setting CFLAGS in the rules file as each Makefile override it at  the begining
<RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp, yeah I was thinking the same thing :)
<fabrice_sp> so I would say you can ignore CFLAGS in the rules file
<RoAkSoAx> though I was told It needed to be there, don't know why :)
<fabrice_sp> i nthe Makefile, you have CFLAGS = ...
<fabrice_sp> if it would have been CFLAGS += ... it would be different
<fabrice_sp> in that case, I don't see the point of setting it (it's not used)
<RoAkSoAx> fabrice_sp, ok then. I'll drop them. Thanks a lot.
<fabrice_sp> you're welcome: sometimes lines just stay in a rules file, just because nobody try o delete them and seenotify anyone about redistribution for any package included in Ubuntu repositories? e.g. ubuntu-restricted-extras packages?
<gaspa> ...
<gaspa> but .... but... he 's the same person??
<Laney> huh?
<Laney> any archive admin can undo it
<gaspa> Laney: this David is the same who ask to not sync ocaml 3.11.1 and is now caring about syncing...
<Laney> yeah that was a while ago
<gaspa> i see.
<maxb> gaspa: The point was not to start the transition in Karmic until is was certain it would be accomplished in Debian in time
<gaspa> maxb: I see, but he didn't seem consciuos of the blacklist, asked by him... only that.
<gaspa> anyway, no probs, let's ask to undo ;)
<Quintasan> libxklavier12-dev is a Virtual package in karmic, on what I should depend? libx11-dev?
<geser> libxklavier-dev
<Quintasan> geser: Thanks
<jayteeuk> Good evening all.
<jayteeuk> Is there anyone around this


instructions in the user manual, but the merge-upstream step fails with that assertion
<pwnguin> jayteeuk: anyways, reviewing patches with the last maintainer, or even upstream, might be a good way to get familiar with what ubuntu/debian wants
<pwnguin> granted, we know it's not perfect
<pwnguin> and i have no idea what osgi is
<jayteeuk> That makes 1.5 of us.
<pwnguin> or maven
<jayteeuk> Same again.
<pwnguin> apparently java developers are supposed to hate maven for being harder than ant
<jayteeuk> I should really know this stuff inside-out.
<pwnguin> jayteeuk: one thing you can do is add comments to patches
<jayteeuk> But I've never used maven and I've heard differing opinions from those who have.
<jayteeuk> Like inline source code comments, or better explanations in Changelog?
<pwnguin> heh, ive seen packages throw away the entire upstream build tool
<pwnguin> and just writesource: debhelper-script-needs-versioned-build-depends dh_prep (>= 7)
<porthose> nhandler, would you please have a look at bug #389654 and give me some hints on how to correct the mentioned lintian error :)
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 389654 in lyricue "Please upgrade lyricue" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389654
<nhandler> porthose: Sure, let me take a look
<nhandler> porthose: I really haven't done much with translations/debconf translations, so in order to avoid guiding you incorrectly, I would suggest asking someone else. I am sorry
<porthose>  nhandler, np I'll post a message the the ml :)
<porthose> s/the/to
<nhandler> porthose: I'll be watching to see the answer :)
<nhandler> I just noticed this wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnsignedGpgKey If someone gets a chance, it should probably be updated
<freeflying> anyone would like share the dput.cf for upload to ubuntu?
<freeflying> or is there any changes?
<freeflying> thanks
<ScottK> freeflying: It


and corrected it as you suggested yesterday. Now the package is here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cobertura. Could you, please, confirm that you are ok with the changes. Thanks in advance.
<david_mentre> gaspa: hello Andrea. No news regarding ocaml upload?
<Laney> it's been done hasn't it?
<Laney> david_mentre: ^
<david_mentre> Laney: Hello Laney. As far as I know, ocaml packages are still in sync-blacklist.txt and ocaml source package in Karmic is still 3.11.0-5
<Laney> the sync has been approved; all you can do is wait for it to be processed
<Laney> I suggest that you reopen bug 387943 and ask for those changes to be undone too to avoid confusion
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 387943 in ocaml "Karmic: please do NOT synchronize following packages" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387943
<david_mentre> Laney: ok, I'm waiting for the sync to be processed. I reopened bugthat mean i need to keel the dirs file with "etc" in it?
<geser> you can still rename it after you called dh_install
<_andre> where do i do that?
<geser> just add the necessary mv calls to debian/rules
<_andre> isn't it better to just install them with the correct name in the first place?
<geser> or that
<_andre> testing the changes with pbuilder now...
<geser> there is no one "true" way to do it, you've several options how you solve it
<_andre> hyperair: new package uploaded
<_andre> is there a dh command that automatically makes the shared library symlinks?
<hyperair> _andre: no there isn't. the upstream build system should have handled that.
<hyperair> _andre: you *really* should use autotools
<hyperair> and possibly combine the packages into one source package
<hyperair> anyway, is there a reason /etc/watchcatd.conf is to be 0600 rather


have open a bug for the second round : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camlp5/+bug/403924
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 403924 in camlp5 "[3.11.1 transition][round 2/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Undecided,New]
<david_mentre> gaspa: regarding rebuild of package, is this a sync request or other type of request?
<david_mentre> gaspa: I have already done that but forgot :-(
<gaspa> david_mentre: you need a sync request for _each_ package to sync
<david_mentre> gaspa: can I add another package to a bug 403924?
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 403924 in camlp5 "[3.11.1 transition][round 2/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403924
<gaspa> david_mentre: no
<gaspa> file another bug
<david_mentre> gaspa: oh (beep)! :-/
<david_mentre> OK, I'll do that
<geser> why not open several tasks to this one bug?
<gaspa> geser: I always found it much confusing...
<gaspa> (david_mentre: wait)
<gaspa> geser: is acceptable as itdavid_mentre: I'm done with rebuilds.
<james_w> findlib and facile done
<james_w> anything else needed?
<david_mentre> geser: thanks a lot! I've seen them on karmic-changes@. I'll do a manual check
<gaspa> james_w: yep.
<gaspa> could you ack these: bug #403924 for camlp5 and hevea
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 403924 in spamoracle "[3.11.1 transition][round 2/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403924
<geser> james_w: bug 403924: camlp5 and hevea needs an ACK from a core-dev and once gaspa is done with ACKing the syncs themself
<gaspa> geser: already ack'd all universe
<geser> just noticed
<gaspa> all universe packages.
<gaspa> :P
<geser> gaspa: you're lucky that sebner is doing today merges and not syncs :)
 * directhex is waiting for his xsp sync so he can sync mod-mono
<james_w> geser/gaspa: would one of you be willing to prepare a sync list?
<sebner>


just created for byobu, please look into merging the two commits into one there (i accidentally mistook revert for uncommit)
<slytherin> TheMuso: hi, linux-ports-,eta needs ABI bump. :-)
<slytherin> I mean linux-ports-meta.
<slytherin> ttx: have some time?
<ttx> slytherin: yes
<slytherin> ttx: Do you see anything wrong with the code where it retrieves initial_classpath from system property. - http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/jmeter/trunk/src/core/org/apache/jmeter/NewDriver.java?revision=684709
<ttx> ew. Java code :)
<directhex> java's that legacy version of .net, right?
<ttx> directhex: it lays in some legacy parts of my brain, that's all I can say
<directhex> like a spider!
<directhex> slytherin, how is it misbehaving?
<ttx> it goes into great lengths to handle macos/windows crappy practices when it comes to directory handling
<directhex> Write Once, Run Anywhere!
<slytherin> directhex: I am passing a classpath with multiple jar files (separated by :), but when it is read from withinprogram only last jar file is picked up. This is on jaunty.
<slytherin> with openkjdk.
<ttx> directhex: "write once, run everywhere, as long as you ship a truckload of binary jars with me"
 * directhex hands ttx a copy of MySql.Data.dll
<directhex> slytherin, have you inserted far more system.out.println statements than should be necessary, to aid debugging?
<ttx> directhex: Don't want to touch that, someone told me you can get permanently tainted
<directhex> slytherin, e.g. what exactly is in initial_classpath right after it's assigned?
<slytherin> directhex: yes, I inserted one immediately after the line where initial_classpath is set. And it shows the the value of this variable is not getting set to what is expected.
<directhex> slytherin, okay, right. so System.getProperty is being useless. let me check javadoc
<slytherin> directhex: either that or there is some


dtchen :)
<yoasif> dtchen, is this expected, and if so, why? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/404370
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 404370 in pulseaudio "Second or third logged in user cannot play sounds -- gnome volume control shows "null output"" [Undecided,New]
<bitplane> are there some docs on how to get software into Ubuntu's package manager? I'm thinking of writing a small app that would be useful
<bitplane> oh nevermind, found the info in the urls in the topic, thanks anyway :)
<dmentre> gaspa: I have opened bug for round 3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lablgtk2/+bug/404470
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 404470 in pcre-ocaml "[3.11.1 transition][round 3/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Undecided,New]
<geser> dmentre: round 2 is now complete? I've seen there were some additional rebuilds necessary as round 2 started a little bit to early
<dmentre> geser: it is complete on amd64. Whichlablgtk2 is in round 3 and camlimages in round 4 of the ocaml transition. you can monitor it on http://bentobako.org/ubuntu-ocaml-status/transition_monitor/ocaml_transition_monitor.html
<gaspa> geser: ah, ok. sorry
<gaspa> geser: findlib on ia64 hasn't built yet, so all round three have to wait him, I guess...
<geser> yeah, better wait before we have to redo part of it
<geser> although the packages from round 3 should either build or FTBFS now so we can give-back them later, but it's easier to wait a few more till all catched up
<ScottK> geser: You might be able to get NCommander to rescore stuff on the slow archs if it would help move stuff along.
<geser> ScottK: it's not that important, we have still plenty of time to finish the ocaml transition
<ScottK> OK
<geser> gaspa: the first rebuild of findlib on


hyperair
<hyperair> ?
<dtchen> which "oss" is this?
<dtchen> if it's the "sound" oss, then it's likely a config issue
<hyperair> sound oss.
<hyperair> what configuration could i possibly have messed up that causes flash to use oss?
<hyperair> *and* fail miserably
<hyperair> and then there's mplayer, which defaulted to oss for some strange reason
<hyperair> i had to manually override it in my config
<dtchen> oss is usually a fallback; what is hogging the alsa device(s)?
<hyperair> pulseaudio.
<hyperair> that's the only thing there is
<dtchen> do you have a custom /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc ?
<hyperair> no asound.conf, but my .asoundrc contains two extra lines
<hyperair> pcm.pulse { type pulse }
<hyperair> and ctl.pulse { type pulse }
<hyperair> i used it for skype back in intrepid, but then something changed in pulseaudio or the alsa plugins that miserably broke bloody skype again
<dtchen>(>> 0.3.2-2)" means "strictly greater than 0.3.2-2"??
<dmentre> james_w: ok, found it: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
<dmentre> james_w: email sent, waiting for answer.
<geser> dmentre: would it be possible to include the other archs in your ocaml transition monitor too? so we have a better overview
<james_w> thanks dmentre
<dmentre> geser: yes. Where can I find Packages.gz for those arch?
<geser> from where did you get the ones for i386 and amd64?
<dmentre> geser: http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
<Laney> dmentre: ports.u.c
<dmentre> Laney: thanks
<dmentre> geser: as the host is different, I need to change the code which is not designed for that. That might take a while.
<dmentre> Or I can simply made a second version for ports
<dmentre> I'll look at it
<k0p> Hello guys!
<k0p> If a software make a release after freeze feature no way to include it in 9.10 official repositories?
<joaopinto> !sru
<k0p> joaopinto,


this before the imminent freeze for Maverick I would appreciate it:
<zooko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/+bug/609755
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 609755 in tahoe-lafs (Ubuntu) "please upgrade to tahoe-lafs v1.7.1" [Undecided,New]
<micahg> ari-tczew: armel yes, sparc ATM, but most likely will be dropped
<ari-tczew> hi and thanks micahg
#ubuntu-motu 2010-07-27
<ScottK> It would take some kind of miracle for Sparc not to get dropped.
<zooko> statik: is there something I can do as a next-step for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/+bug/609755 ?
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 609755 in tahoe-lafs (Ubuntu) "please upgrade to tahoe-lafs v1.7.1" [Undecided,New]
<ajmitch> zooko: convince someone to do the work, or provide an updated package yourself & request sponsoring?
<zooko> ajmitch: ok, thanks!
<ajmitch> I see you did the original package, too
<zooko> Not really! A bunch of other people contributed a lot of help.
<zooko> A list of those people: Partial list of
<zooko> A list ofubuntu fonts on the pics
<Rhonda> doctormo: Can you guide me on how to "make a branch and merge request"?
<Rhonda> shadeslayer: You mean in the How to Ask?
<shadeslayer> yep
<Rhonda> font-family:UbuntuBeta
<shadeslayer> i didnt know it was called that :P
<Rhonda> It says so on the first "slide"?
<Rhonda> Or in the title? :)
<shadeslayer> i thought that was the subject and not the title ;)
<shadeslayer> turns out its both
<doctormo> Rhonda: Sure can
<doctormo> Rhonda: Sorry for the delay, was getting my exercises in
<doctormo> Rhonda: Hmm, I seem to have gotten a de translation in my email, I'm guessing not from you? Care to review and merge with any work you've done already?
<Rhonda> Please check the mail address. If it says rhonda@ that's me. :P
<doctormo> Rhonda: Yep, that's you. *doh* name is completely different.
<Rhonda> Is


it? I wouldn't think so, it's the same that I have in my /whois information. :)
<doctormo> Rhonda: I'm using Empathy, we don't have whois
<doctormo> Actually Empathy is totally rotten for an irc client, but it's the only thing we have native on gnome/ubuntu
<Rhonda> No /whois rhonda possible in there?
<doctormo> nope
<Rhonda> ouch
<Rhonda> that sucks. big time, some how
<doctormo> Unknown command; see /help for the available commands
<doctormo> Even grabbing user details just shows Nickname: Rhonda, Name: Rhonda.
<doctormo> Lazy developers.
<doctormo> Rhonda: So did you want to know how to use ground control? I can still show you.
<shadeslayer> doctormo: what about xchat?
<shadeslayer> gnome fail for not having proper irc client ^_^
<shadeslayer> Rhonda: oh forgot... my package got sponsored
<shadeslayer> into debian
<doctormo> shadeslayer: congratulations.
<shadeslayer> doctormo: thanks :D
<espen77> hi, i need an updated hplip package,You there? I want to tell you something about that uswsusp merge
<fabrice_sp> bilalakhtar, hmm, I only have 5 minutes
<micahg> hi fabrice_sp, did you try doctrine on amd64?
<fabrice_sp> micahg, my system is amd64, so yes
<fabrice_sp> it FTBFS, right?
<micahg> fabrice_sp: k, it works on i386 but not due to amd64 because of the badly written test
<bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: I want to tell you, the bugs you quoted in debian, exist in current version as well
<fabrice_sp> micahg, is it fizable?
<bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: and, we need a merge and a few changes,because current version depends on splashy, which is NOT in maverick
<micahg> fabrice_sp: not really, but it builds fine on i386
<fabrice_sp> bilalakhtar, the debian tracker marked them as linked to the new version. Did you tried the actual version?
<bilalakhtar> fabrice_sp: but there is a


here have the answer?
<RAOF> gnome-codec-install, IIRC.
<persia> doctormo: You may find better fodder in -devel, but check the gnome-codec-install package
<persia> I think gstreamer0.10-packagekit does the actual magic bits
<doctormo> Hey persia, great to hear from you.
<doctormo> Thanks RAOF, downloading the sources now.
<doctormo> Looks like it's all running commands via popen. Not as elegant as I thought it would be though.
<doctormo> Perhaps they're just waiting for packagekit to get there.
<RAOF> It's not using aptdaemon?
<persia> Not the codec bit: the rest of the default install stuff seems to do so.
<bilalakhtar> persia: freeeeee ?
<persia> bilalakhtar: How do you mean?  Certainly some of the codecs would fail to be free by some definitions.
<bilalakhtar> persia: I mean, are you free (the opposite of busy) ?
<persia> I've not cleared my TODO list in longer thanI can remember, but I'm not opposed to accepting new items or reprioritising.  That said, I suspect you ask more of my time asking me this question, rather than a more general sort of request for assistance (or a directed one, if it requires me).
<bilalakhtar> persia: go ahead with your task, you are a member of DMB, so I suppose my tasks will steal your time :)
<persia> bilalakhtar: What do you seek to have done?  If something is blocking on me (or on a DMB member), I'd rather sort it sooner, in hopes you'll do something else on my list by coincidence.  If you need something from a class of folks, you'll surely do better to just request it, rather than hunting down each member


first. Can someone take a look at it ? It is a ruby librairy design to help developpers to define global hotkeys. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libglobalhotkeys-ruby1.8
<dholbach> micahg: still it makes it a bit easier if you know what's going on
<vinc-mai> Comments will help me.
<dholbach> micahg: if it involved a major transition or if it's an unstable branch, we probably shouldn't sync
<dholbach> micahg: but if it's "a bug fix release" it certainly makes sense to get it in
<dholbach> it's just that when I looked at the request I felt like I had no idea what's going on :)
<micahg> dholbach: k, I'll keep in mind to add that stuff before FF as well :)
<micahg> bdrung: can you show my how to use syncpackage
<dholbach> micahg: and it's no strict requirement - it just makesin this scope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611867
<bluefoxicy> I still can't get logged in.
<simar> micahg:
<bluefoxicy> AND I can't use thunderbird without it turning itself into a fork() bomb
<simar> micahg: I have a intuition that the next bug I will try may be already fixed. How to check that its not fixed by someone.
<micahg> look at the bugs for the package in Ubunut
<micahg> Ubuntu
<micahg> simar: a few things, one the  changelog is targetted to Lucid, I'm guessing you meant it for maverick
<simar> micahg: ya sure for maaverick
<simar> maverick
<micahg> simar: the way to open a changelog for maverick is to do 'dch -i -Dmaverick' from lucid
<micahg> simar: did you do a test build?
<simar> micahg: k
<simar> micahg: ya in a pbuilder for maverick
<micahg> k
<micahg> simar: does the package have a patch system?
<simar> micahg:


still needed
<and471> geser, after following instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate I have updated the package, however I don't have upload privelledges so do I need to create a debdiff?
<geser> or a merge proposal
<and471> geser, which is it I need to create?
<geser> when working with branches it's IMHO better to also create a merge proposal (but as usual depends on your sponsor)
<ari-tczew> BlackZ: ping bug 598184
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 598184 in cynthiune.app (Ubuntu) "Please merge cynthiune.app 0.9.5-10 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598184
<BlackZ> ari-tczew: feel free to take it, if you want
<ari-tczew> ok
<ari-tczew> who from MOTU uses amarok?
<ari-tczew> or clementine?
<coolbhavi> bdrung, I have attached a patch that ignores guile-pg build error there
<coolbhavi> :)
<ari-tczew> o, hey coolbhavi
<ari-tczew> I want to comment on your application
<coolbhavi> hey ari-tczew
<coolbhavi> Its on the DMB agenda
<coolbhavi> wikithe biggest problem that needs to be fixed, before i can upload the script is the name of the script
<bdrung_> some ideas: sponsor-patch, review-patch, review, sponsor
<tumbleweed> I guess that depends how much scope it covers
<bdrung_> the basic feature: take a patch or debdiff, create a package, and upload it somewhere
<tumbleweed> sponsor-patch sounds good
<tumbleweed> although sponsor-patch does sound patch-only rather than debdiff
<bdrung_> some use cases: sponsor debdiffs (ubuntu-sponsors), upload patches to a PPA (ubuntu-reviewers)
<micahg> bdrung_: how about sponsor-foo
<micahg> bdrung_: or even sponsor-fu :)
<bdrung_> micahg: that's a combination of foo and sponsor-patch :D
<bdrung_> tumbleweed: a debdiff is technically a patch
<bdrung_> mv foo sponsor-patch
<shadeslayer> bdrung_: ah ok
<bdrung_> micahg: sponsor-fu sounds nice, but sponsor-patch is more descriptive
<shadeslayer> can someone sponsor my package tho?
<tumbleweed> bdrung_: yes it is, although in Debian/Ubuntu when we


hard to tell.
<micahg> hyperair: right, I haven't seen anything else either, I'll keep an eye on sqlite, have you checked b.g.o for other issues?
<hyperair> micahg: nope.
 * hyperair checks
 * Laney is generating comparative logs
<hyperair> Laney: thanks, that would be useful.
<Laney> whichever one it's on now is seriously lengthy
<hyperair> micahg: nothing based on a search for sqlite.
<Laney> 65507ms
<hyperair> whoa, that's really bad.
<hyperair> is it CPU or IO-bound?
<Laney> clu
<Laney> cpu
<hyperair> hmm
<hyperair> that makes it even worse.
<Laney> It's the DELETE FROM CoreCache queries
<hyperair> well, i'm off to go back to sleep. (shouldn't have stared at the computer after waking up for a drink of water)
<Laney> seeya
<hyperair> Laney: it might be a good idea to consult with people in #sqlite.
<hyperair> and yeah, seeya =)
<Laney> I'll be going to bed myself ina member is an artifact of our current strategy, and may not continue to be true if anyone ever decides to implement a restricted packageset.
<persia> So "
<persia> So "Are collectively responsible for some subset of packages in Ubuntu" is disturbing to me.
<persia> I'm also uncomfortable with "are collectively responsible for the maintenance of packages in the universe and multiverse components".  That's a filed bug in Soyuz, and not intended to remain true in any way.
<Laney> reponsibility> It's unclear to me what that responsibility entails in practice, and I'm not sure what a similar analog would be for other forms of membership. I also don't know why becoming UCD would place any more burden on anyones shoulders that they did not have before.
<Laney> So I guess that's your


anything I need to do to sync new version from sid into universe or will this happen automaticaly?
<jtaylor> no you have to request a sync manually
<lifeless> only during freezes
<jtaylor> the requestsync tool in ubuntu-dev-tools is helpful
<lifeless> depends how urgently you need it.
<jtaylor> if its already in ubuntu you always need to do it manually
<lifeless> jtaylor: thats incorrect.
<jtaylor> ? it will automatically overwritte ubuntu changes? thats new to me
<lifeless> no
<lifeless> if its diverged, you need to merge or sync.
<lifeless> just being present does not make it diverged.
<jtaylor> ah yes I somehow assumed it was first in ubuntu ._.
<lifeless> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ipwatchd
<Laney> we are in a freeze anyway
<ajmitch> debian import freeze was last month, wasn't it?
<lifeless> current version in Ubuntu is 1.2-2 unaltered; so it will sync after we release, or youprobably also a dsc
<jtaylor> ?
<Raffa50> debsign
<persia> jtaylor: Nope.  One can generate a .changes file with a .deb without any .dsc: one just has to construct the .deb using a different mechanism.  I wouldn't be surprised if gambas2 included such a mechanism.
<Raffa50> says that gpg key isn't aviable
<jtaylor> ah k, didn't know that
<Raffa50> gambas generated
<Raffa50> .changes and .dsc
<persia> Raffa50: You need a key such that one of the identities precisely matches the Changed-By: string in the .changes file to sign it, unless you force it.  Don't force it.
<jtaylor> you may need to pass -k<keyid> but its moot if you don't have a real source package
<persia> No.  One should *never* pass -k<keyid> unless one is sponsoring.
<persia> If one thinks one has to pass that, one is